1 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,879 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show on Martin willis your host. 2 00:00:20,519 --> 00:00:23,800 Anyone that follows the show will know that last Thursday 3 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,039 we had our UFO headlines and then the day after 4 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:31,519 was a file dump from Aro and so we did 5 00:00:31,559 --> 00:00:33,200 a little video on that. You can catch that on 6 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,520 our YouTube channel. But I am really excited to have 7 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:41,119 our guest tonight, Robert Powell Scientists. He heads the SCU. 8 00:00:41,759 --> 00:00:44,039 We're gonna be talking about that and also the event 9 00:00:44,079 --> 00:00:47,840 this year in Toronto that they're having. But Robert really 10 00:00:48,039 --> 00:00:52,600 has taken some real intense time and has looked over 11 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:57,880 UFO videos in the past, Aguadilla and so many others. 12 00:00:58,159 --> 00:01:01,799 He is a great reputation. Really glad to have him 13 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,640 on and the timing is perfect. So just a couple 14 00:01:04,719 --> 00:01:09,120 of things. Our blog this week is UFOs and Life Magazine. 15 00:01:09,159 --> 00:01:12,799 Now I remember seeing Life magazine. I think there's one 16 00:01:12,799 --> 00:01:16,959 with Marilyn Monroe on the front that has UFOs in 17 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,719 the somewhere. There was a lot of times that they 18 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,400 did talk Life Magazine pictures and so check that out 19 00:01:23,439 --> 00:01:27,159 over at PODCASTUFO dot com. Thank you all to that 20 00:01:27,359 --> 00:01:30,760 support the show. 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Thank 32 00:02:09,039 --> 00:02:11,840 you for that. And so it'll play on any media 33 00:02:11,879 --> 00:02:18,000 player for a podcast. So next week, Joe at UFO, sorry, 34 00:02:18,199 --> 00:02:22,719 Joe at UAP Report will be on this show on Tuesday. 35 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,080 Pardon me, I'm sorry. I've been fighting a cold. 36 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 2: Now. 37 00:02:27,199 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: Last week during the show, I got a message. On 38 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,039 one of the two nights I can't remember our three 39 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,560 nights that I actually had show three different shows I 40 00:02:36,599 --> 00:02:41,599 had last week, someone made a comment about filming off 41 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,759 the coast of Italy on a cruise ship UFO encounter. 42 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,439 Since then, I've been in touch and that's some really 43 00:02:48,719 --> 00:02:52,120 very interesting footage. I invited him on the show. That's 44 00:02:52,159 --> 00:02:55,080 going to be happening. I want to get these films 45 00:02:55,599 --> 00:02:59,560 and everything analyzed by someone like markt Antonio. I have 46 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,159 from miss to do that. I have all the information 47 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,039 and it's really wild pictures. There's a lot of things 48 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,879 we're seeing. Of course, there's also a rumor that there's 49 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,800 going to be another UFO file dump in the next 50 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,159 couple of days. We'll see if that happens. I don't 51 00:03:14,199 --> 00:03:19,319 know for sure. These are rumors, of course, and I 52 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:23,919 think that is about it that I did already mention 53 00:03:24,039 --> 00:03:26,199 the blog. I know I did that. So I think 54 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,560 we're ready to bring in our guests and here we go. 55 00:03:30,759 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: Welcome back, Robert, I'm Martin. It's great to be back again. 56 00:03:34,879 --> 00:03:37,280 I think this is maybe my fourth or fifth time 57 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:37,599 with you. 58 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: That's right. We met years ago in Phoenix, one of 59 00:03:42,319 --> 00:03:46,039 the international UFO congresses out there, and we've been in 60 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,800 touch ever since. It's been a real pleasure. I think 61 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:51,280 it's actually more than that. And I believe I had 62 00:03:51,319 --> 00:03:53,599 you on at a specific time. I'm trying to think 63 00:03:53,639 --> 00:03:57,840 what happened right after. Oh, it's a Nimitz case. Yeah, 64 00:03:58,159 --> 00:04:01,240 and that was a very highly that show. I I 65 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,520 can't remember the downloads, but that was that was really 66 00:04:05,199 --> 00:04:08,120 quite a show. In the timing, here you are again 67 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:10,719 and we have timing of this file dump of all 68 00:04:10,759 --> 00:04:14,960 these UFO videos. I know the SCU wrote a paper 69 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,720 on this today, are they What was the overall gist 70 00:04:17,759 --> 00:04:18,720 of that report? 71 00:04:18,959 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, we actually we put out a press release, a 72 00:04:22,759 --> 00:04:26,199 second press release. Our first one was just saying we're 73 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:30,519 looking forward to the government doing this UAP down. This 74 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,120 one is based on the work we've done so far 75 00:04:33,399 --> 00:04:38,360 analyzing the database. And so there are several members of 76 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,600 SCU that have been active in this, one of them 77 00:04:41,639 --> 00:04:47,399 being Miguel Pavaan who's in Spain. But the key things 78 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,240 that we did in the press release is a big overview. 79 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,759 So the very first big the big overview is there's 80 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:58,680 really nothing in this release that can be scientifically evaluated. 81 00:04:59,439 --> 00:05:02,759 And the main reason for that is in the videos 82 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:07,920 everything is redacted, so you can't determine the speedy object 83 00:05:08,199 --> 00:05:09,959 distant size. 84 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: And why do you suppose they did that. It's one 85 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,639 of the things when the UFO Jack and I we 86 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:19,160 did a little overview of the films, but it's so frustrating. 87 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,240 They don't have you can't tell how far away the 88 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:26,600 objects are, the size, you can't tell sometimes even where 89 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,480 they're at the speed. There's nothing about speed on there. 90 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,759 I want to just say real quickly hello to everyone 91 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,600 over on chat, thank you all for being here. We 92 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:36,560 have a question already. I'll be bringing that up in 93 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,279 a minute, but anyway, Yeah, it's very first, that part 94 00:05:40,319 --> 00:05:42,600 is very frustrating. Now let me ask you. 95 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, there are four videos that they release that have 96 00:05:48,759 --> 00:05:51,759 metadata on the screen, and guess what those four are. 97 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,040 It was Go Fast Gimble, the Flur video from two 98 00:05:55,079 --> 00:05:59,040 thousand and four, and then the Agudea video, And so 99 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,319 clearly they can do it when they want to. 100 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, speaking of what they're redacting or not, I 101 00:06:07,079 --> 00:06:10,240 have not gone through the documents at this point. Has 102 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:15,399 anyone gone through them from SEU or yourself Documents and images. 103 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,399 Speaker 2: Yes, we've been going through them using AI because there's 104 00:06:20,879 --> 00:06:25,399 quite a few. I've gone through almost all the videos 105 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,360 looking at them and there's really nothing there that you 106 00:06:28,439 --> 00:06:32,000 can do anything with. So that's the frustrating part. The 107 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,800 second part besides that, is just the overclassification. Some of 108 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,560 your listeners are probably familiar with the Project blue Book files, 109 00:06:39,959 --> 00:06:43,800 they were much less classified. Like in the Project blue Book, 110 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:48,319 there are actual radar cases, right. You can see the 111 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:52,720 report they did, the people they went and interviewed, you 112 00:06:52,759 --> 00:06:57,680 can see the correspondence internal on the subject matter. But 113 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:00,920 none of that is in this release. There's that problem 114 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:06,360 buber classification. And there's no assessments. Right. In other words, 115 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,920 if the government has an object like this and they're 116 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,720 trying to determine what it is, there should have been 117 00:07:12,759 --> 00:07:16,399 someone who wrote a report on it, right, and here's 118 00:07:16,439 --> 00:07:19,480 what we determine, Here's what we know, here's who we interview. 119 00:07:20,079 --> 00:07:26,120 None of that is available. So that's that's probably some 120 00:07:26,199 --> 00:07:29,639 of the key things. And one more, which is if 121 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:34,079 you look at the time of when these events take place, 122 00:07:34,519 --> 00:07:37,319 they've got a lot in the late forties and early 123 00:07:37,439 --> 00:07:41,879 fifties and a lot from twenty fifteen on. But from 124 00:07:41,959 --> 00:07:46,959 nineteen seventy five to twenty fifteen that is just a 125 00:07:47,279 --> 00:07:51,319 there's very little. So it's like it's not like the 126 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:59,639 uap UFOs stopped appearing during that timeframe. Where's the data? 127 00:07:59,879 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: I watched Bryce Stable had a little clip you put 128 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,680 out there and basically come on, show us the saucers 129 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,600 instead of show us the money, show me the money. 130 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:12,439 But this can't be the best stuff, that's for sure. 131 00:08:12,639 --> 00:08:15,360 But we know we all know that. But the outsider 132 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,480 who's just plane never really looked into this, that may 133 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,399 just dip his toe in the water, her toe in 134 00:08:21,399 --> 00:08:24,319 the water, will say, wow, this is really something when 135 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,399 you and I both know they have the good stuff, 136 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,480 and whether we'll see that or not, I don't know. 137 00:08:31,079 --> 00:08:34,320 It really depends on who's putting the brakes and why 138 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,600 they're putting the brakes on some of the really good stuff. 139 00:08:37,759 --> 00:08:40,000 But we can just be patient and see what happens. 140 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,759 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's all we can be. We'll look at 141 00:08:42,799 --> 00:08:45,720 the NIXT release they haven't seen. Maybe there's something more 142 00:08:45,759 --> 00:08:46,519 on that release. 143 00:08:47,759 --> 00:08:50,399 Speaker 1: Now you just mentioned AI, do you how well? I've 144 00:08:50,399 --> 00:08:53,600 always wondered what type of role that would play in 145 00:08:53,799 --> 00:08:56,919 the future of analysis when it comes to UAP and 146 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,879 all that. But what is exactly are you doing when 147 00:09:00,039 --> 00:09:03,799 you're using AI to sort these things out? What were 148 00:09:03,799 --> 00:09:04,159 you doing? 149 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:08,639 Speaker 2: So? For example, in some of the FBI had one file, 150 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:12,120 which is it was a single file, but within that 151 00:09:12,279 --> 00:09:17,000 file there were many cases, right, So you can use 152 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:23,759 AI to basically break those chunks up so that you 153 00:09:23,799 --> 00:09:26,440 know how many cases are in that one giant file. 154 00:09:27,519 --> 00:09:30,840 All right, so that's say one of the uses the 155 00:09:30,879 --> 00:09:34,360 other use. And we haven't done that on this, but 156 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:39,879 you can use AI for natural language processing, which is 157 00:09:40,639 --> 00:09:45,320 an evaluation of a report to see the likelihood that 158 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,879 it's a valid report or not a valid report based 159 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:54,240 on the type of words and terminology that the witness uses. 160 00:09:54,840 --> 00:10:00,399 Speaker 1: Well, well, here's a question, and a good one, Philip, 161 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,960 thank you. Do you think that this is planned disclosure? 162 00:10:04,039 --> 00:10:06,039 As Nick Pope said on his death bit according to 163 00:10:06,039 --> 00:10:10,840 his wife, that they're slowly I don't know when it 164 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,360 comes to disclosure what we're actually going to really see 165 00:10:14,799 --> 00:10:17,720 all the way through. Yeah, there's a lot of reason 166 00:10:17,799 --> 00:10:18,720 why they hold back. 167 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 2: That's the big question. Well, exactly what do they mean 168 00:10:23,399 --> 00:10:28,039 by disclosure? Also? Right, it's one thing to come out 169 00:10:28,159 --> 00:10:33,200 and say, okay, we as a government know that there 170 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:38,440 are objects that are intelligently controlled that are flying through 171 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:42,360 our atmosphere and they do not appear, for example, to 172 00:10:42,399 --> 00:10:48,799 be of a dangerous nature, which is different than just 173 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:53,679 taking almost like a box of photographs out of your 174 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:58,720 closet and dumping them and saying, here you go have fun, right, 175 00:10:59,840 --> 00:11:03,679 So I don't. My personal view at this point in 176 00:11:03,759 --> 00:11:09,960 time is that this is not a type of disclosure 177 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,360 to me. This is more of the executive said I 178 00:11:14,399 --> 00:11:18,799 want all your UFO files to his various agencies, and 179 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,960 so they have rushed to find what can we give 180 00:11:22,759 --> 00:11:27,279 and to be safe, they've reacted everything and they dumped 181 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:32,159 a pile and hopefully the next the next release will 182 00:11:32,159 --> 00:11:32,960 be something better. 183 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: Something I mentioned to you that I just thought i'd 184 00:11:36,639 --> 00:11:40,120 tell people out there because I think it's fun. As 185 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,200 for those of you who follow or have followed in 186 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,320 the past, the Angry Astronaut on YouTube a lot of 187 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,840 followers there. He was I would have people that watched 188 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:53,399 my show listen to my show, would send me clips 189 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:57,360 and he was basically a debunker of UFOs and went 190 00:11:57,799 --> 00:12:00,879 angry at the whole thing. A nice time for him. 191 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,279 I was said something the other day and he's there 192 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:08,159 really is something to this, and he's he totally is 193 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,240 now totally turned the corner like Jay Allen Heinig did 194 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,759 from Project Bluebook. So anyway, he's coming up on the show. 195 00:12:14,799 --> 00:12:16,919 I just wanted to throw that out there. I did 196 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,519 talk him into coming onto the show, so that will 197 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,200 be soon. We have some really great guests coming up. 198 00:12:22,399 --> 00:12:25,200 You'll you'll see them as we go along. I've been 199 00:12:25,519 --> 00:12:28,759 been confirming with some really good ones. One of them 200 00:12:28,879 --> 00:12:32,960 is a government a person, former government official. So I'm 201 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:36,480 excited about that. Just need to get it set up 202 00:12:36,759 --> 00:12:39,120 and we've got a lot of shows coming forward. I 203 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,279 might start doing two shows again a week on a 204 00:12:41,279 --> 00:12:45,159 regular basis, going out to contact in the desert, and 205 00:12:45,519 --> 00:12:48,840 we'll be picking up some really good interviews, doing some 206 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,440 in person interviews, just to let people know. With Beatrice, 207 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,240 she's been on the show before, but we're going to 208 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:59,200 do in person there, maybe Caroline Corey and Willie Streeber, 209 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:01,600 people like that in person. That should be fun to 210 00:13:01,639 --> 00:13:04,360 look for. Some really good in person interviews coming up 211 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,360 the first part of June. I'm sorry to go on 212 00:13:07,399 --> 00:13:09,960 and on about that, but i just wanted to get 213 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,159 that out there because there are people that here's someone 214 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:15,960 that says he's been watching Angry for a long time, 215 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:20,519 just angry like that. That's a good thing, but it's yeah. 216 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,039 We have one other question I saw here and about 217 00:13:24,039 --> 00:13:26,559 the Steven Spielberg. I'm sure you saw the trailer for that. 218 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,879 I'm really excited for that. I know it's fiction, but 219 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,879 coming out on June twelfth, it should be really fine. 220 00:13:31,919 --> 00:13:34,799 And according to Ross coltheart here, if this is what 221 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:38,720 Philip is saying, that it's part of this planned disclosure, 222 00:13:39,159 --> 00:13:42,080 I'm not really sure what I think about that right now. 223 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:47,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, me either, although I really like Steven Spielberg movies. Yes, 224 00:13:48,279 --> 00:13:52,559 et is probably in Close Encounters of the Third Kind. 225 00:13:52,879 --> 00:13:54,720 Those are two of my favorite movies. 226 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it should be really good. I'm excited and 227 00:13:58,039 --> 00:14:00,159 I just can't wait for it to come out there. 228 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,519 Someone was trying to spread the rumor the other day. 229 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:05,120 I don't know where they put it that he's going 230 00:14:05,159 --> 00:14:07,840 to be a contact in the desert and that's not 231 00:14:07,919 --> 00:14:12,240 going to happen. I don't think so. But anyway, I 232 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,679 think it's exciting that these things are. At least we're 233 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:20,320 getting some things. I know a Luna. I know Paulina Luna. 234 00:14:20,919 --> 00:14:23,399 I think that's how you say her name. She was 235 00:14:23,519 --> 00:14:27,639 behind forty six videos. I don't know exactly what those 236 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,840 videos were, and if this is any part of that 237 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,200 or not, I don't really know if that's ever been clarified. 238 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:34,840 Do you have to happen to know about that. 239 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, my understanding is none of these are part of 240 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,440 her group of forty one or forty six, whatever that 241 00:14:41,519 --> 00:14:45,559 number was. I see it, and I believe she's hopeful 242 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,000 that those will come out in one of the future releases. 243 00:14:49,759 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, exciting times, and it's definitely since I've been doing 244 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:56,200 the show, I would say this is one of the 245 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:00,480 more interesting times, for sure. And so with all these 246 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,279 other videos here, this has gone viral today. I'm gonna 247 00:15:03,279 --> 00:15:05,879 pull it up here and i'd showed you. You weren't 248 00:15:05,879 --> 00:15:09,080 aware of it, but it's It was released by the Ministry, 249 00:15:09,559 --> 00:15:14,720 the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense today. Now I saw it secondhand. 250 00:15:14,759 --> 00:15:17,679 I didn't see it officially from them or not, but 251 00:15:17,799 --> 00:15:20,240 it shows. This one here does show the metadata. It's 252 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:25,159 very weird. This is for the people watching on YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, 253 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:28,399 all that, but if you're listening to the audio, I 254 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,200 will put the link in the show notes. So here 255 00:15:31,279 --> 00:15:34,679 we go. Here it is. That's really a bizarre It 256 00:15:34,679 --> 00:15:37,039 looks like it's saying, Robert, what do you think. It 257 00:15:37,039 --> 00:15:39,639 looks like it's saying completely stationary. 258 00:15:39,879 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 2: It seems like it's stationary, and so I guess, are 259 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,519 these clouds in the background. So it looks like and 260 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,799 this is a drone that is, yes, from a drone object. 261 00:15:50,759 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: The drone is filming the object. Yes. 262 00:15:54,759 --> 00:15:57,399 Speaker 2: You know what would be interesting is if they filmed 263 00:15:57,399 --> 00:16:01,399 it long enough for the object to finally depart. What 264 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,879 you would wonder is, Okay, if you're the guy that's 265 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:08,639 watching this, you're filming it, why would you ever leave? 266 00:16:08,799 --> 00:16:13,120 I would be staying there until something happened, right, either 267 00:16:13,159 --> 00:16:17,919 the leaves or or something else happens to force me away. 268 00:16:18,559 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: Especially if it's a drone sitting there. I know someone 269 00:16:20,799 --> 00:16:24,240 is in a room thousand and two thousand miles away 270 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,080 or five thousand miles away whatever, handling it. But I 271 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,919 don't think that there would be any reason for them 272 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,840 unless they had to move the drone to change that. 273 00:16:33,879 --> 00:16:35,399 So I wonder how much footage there is. 274 00:16:35,879 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be great to see that if they've 275 00:16:38,279 --> 00:16:40,600 got more footage, to see the full footage on that. 276 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: And then someone posted also they thought that particular thing 277 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,440 could be this. Now this does have some sound to it, 278 00:16:48,759 --> 00:16:53,159 which is a Lockheed Martin, purportedly Lockheed Martin. I don't 279 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,840 have any confirmation any of this stuff, so, but yeah, 280 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,320 I'm gonna do that video right now. This is a 281 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:22,960 weird object to whatever it is. Definitely some similarities, but 282 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,000 this one the other one here, are you not really 283 00:17:26,039 --> 00:17:29,720 seeing anything jetting out of the bottom like that? Yeah, 284 00:17:29,799 --> 00:17:32,839 it's however, there is some type of maybe a heats 285 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,559 signature or something under it. You see that coming down. 286 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like a haze. Yeah, like a hazel all 287 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:42,599 around it. It looks like in this video that white 288 00:17:42,799 --> 00:17:44,039 is probably hot. 289 00:17:44,799 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: So when you and your team of people went through 290 00:17:48,519 --> 00:17:51,640 all the videos and things like that, you said there 291 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,839 was only just a couple that had metadata on them. 292 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,839 Speaker 2: Yeah. The ones that had metadata were the ones that 293 00:17:57,839 --> 00:18:03,000 have been released in the past, the game Okay go fast, yeah, lurre, 294 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:08,440 the all of the recent releases there was everything's blacked out, 295 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:10,799 it's all redacted. 296 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:16,559 Speaker 1: And do you think they just instead of thinking totally 297 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:21,400 nefarious in this situation, do you think that's they were? 298 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,519 Whoever was that told them they could release these videos 299 00:18:24,839 --> 00:18:29,480 said okay, you can, but to protect national security or 300 00:18:29,519 --> 00:18:32,880 whatever the reason you have to redact out all the information. 301 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:34,799 Do you think that's how that went. 302 00:18:35,839 --> 00:18:40,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, because probably what has to happen before each video 303 00:18:40,319 --> 00:18:44,640 Potentially there might be some reason you want to react it, 304 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,599 and so you would need to individually evaluate each one 305 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,119 and say, Okay, in this case, I can I don't 306 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:56,160 need to react. So whenever you're in the situation, I 307 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,559 don't have time to look at all these videos, So 308 00:18:59,279 --> 00:19:02,640 redact it all. And that's I think that's basically what 309 00:19:02,799 --> 00:19:07,000 they did, because if they make a mistake, they're in trouble. 310 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,960 If they've redacted at all and just denied the information, 311 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:16,680 that that risk is much lower risk for them. Right, 312 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:22,640 You're not motivated to provide information if there's no upside, 313 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:27,000 and there's only downside should something go wrong. But my 314 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,759 point is if you properly evaluate the video, you can 315 00:19:30,799 --> 00:19:35,319 make it a determination if there is any risk of 316 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,839 showing the metadata that's on there. 317 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:43,519 Speaker 1: Here's a here's an example. Just put one up here, Yeah, 318 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:47,599 and we can. We could talk over this. This isn't 319 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,440 anything special or anything. Oh yeah, this is the one 320 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:56,960 that looked like three conjoined objects. And like you said, 321 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,720 the whitest probably the heat, So that's probably probably around 322 00:20:00,759 --> 00:20:02,759 the edges of this thing. This is a weird one, 323 00:20:02,759 --> 00:20:03,400 I gotta tell you. 324 00:20:04,559 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it looks interesting, but you can't we 325 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:15,000 don't know. For example, if we know the particular equipment 326 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,799 that's being used to video it, right, We can know 327 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:24,160 the we can determine the object's angular size especially, and 328 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:28,759 then we can make estimates on its distance and if 329 00:20:28,759 --> 00:20:32,200 it's an X distance and the size is why right, 330 00:20:32,319 --> 00:20:34,240 So you kind of have a table. So you can 331 00:20:34,319 --> 00:20:38,440 learn quite a bit if you have that metadata available 332 00:20:38,519 --> 00:20:44,039 to you. Yeah, and well sometimes if they happen to 333 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:50,880 have a rangefinder that was good enough quality to measure 334 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,559 the distance to the object, right, or they had radar, 335 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:58,039 which would be even better, that determine distance to the 336 00:20:58,079 --> 00:21:02,079 object and potentially speed of the that can tell you 337 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:02,759 a lot more. 338 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: Now, Robert, I don't know if I've had you on 339 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:11,119 the show since they tried to claim, or I should say, 340 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,279 I think Sean Kirkpatrick maybe, I'm pretty sure with him 341 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:19,079 tried to claim that the aguadilla was birds. Oh yeah, 342 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:20,799 have you been on the show since, And I don't 343 00:21:20,799 --> 00:21:21,400 think you have. 344 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,799 Speaker 2: No, I don't think I have that. That's actually a 345 00:21:23,839 --> 00:21:29,400 pretty silly demonstration that he does, And I'm surprised that 346 00:21:29,519 --> 00:21:34,160 someone with a PhD in physics would do that type 347 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:38,519 of a demonstration. Of course, his PhD was in lasers, 348 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,799 so maybe he doesn't know a lot about in for red, 349 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,079 but I would think he should know the basics of 350 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:48,359 it before he makes that. Now his theory on those 351 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:54,400 being birds, even arrow in their first report says that 352 00:21:54,480 --> 00:22:00,079 it's not birds, so that theory's pretty wid. 353 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,319 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to see if I can pull 354 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,559 up that video and just show for the people that 355 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,319 have not seen it. I know that we've had this 356 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,680 on before in the past, but I'm going to see 357 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,880 if I can just pull that up right now and 358 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:22,960 just show to the audience. Yeah, here we go. So 359 00:22:23,079 --> 00:22:24,720 this is I don't see it moving to you. 360 00:22:26,279 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 2: That's the awkward be of video. Yeah it's moving now. 361 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, So this you went through very careful, and 362 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,160 you have all kinds of harr goes right here, and 363 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:40,519 you have all kinds of information on this in particular, 364 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,160 Could you tell us how you went through all the 365 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,799 analysis trying to figure out what this thing is. 366 00:22:47,599 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 2: You just saw a lot of black dots. Those are 367 00:22:50,039 --> 00:22:52,839 cows that were in the background in this video. What 368 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:58,000 you're looking at black is hot, in white is cold, 369 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:02,319 and all of this you see all around the screen. 370 00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:06,799 That is the metadata. It tells you everything from the 371 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:11,000 speed of the aircraft that's flying to the distance to 372 00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:16,000 the ground across there. Right now, the object's passing over 373 00:23:16,079 --> 00:23:19,400 the runway. It's passing across the runway at this point 374 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:23,480 in time. And so what we did is we followed. 375 00:23:23,519 --> 00:23:25,680 You can do the line of sight. Right, you know 376 00:23:25,759 --> 00:23:28,640 where it's at. That's a grocery store that it's passing. 377 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,200 And here's a road and you see the cars driving by. 378 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,000 You see it go behind a tree right there, right. 379 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:39,440 And so when an object goes behind something, then you're 380 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:44,079 able to know more closely exactly where that object is at, right, 381 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,200 because otherwise you don't truly know if it's one hundred 382 00:23:48,279 --> 00:23:51,640 feet from you, or let's say the ground's two miles 383 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,440 is just above the ground and two miles away. Now 384 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,720 you're looking at the ocean. It's approaching the ocean. You 385 00:23:57,759 --> 00:24:01,079 see the waves, and it's an important to know here. 386 00:24:01,599 --> 00:24:04,279 The reason you see the waves is because there's a 387 00:24:04,319 --> 00:24:07,200 temperature difference between the top of the wave and the bottom. 388 00:24:07,519 --> 00:24:11,720 The object has now gone into the water. Now, the 389 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,640 argument that Errol has made is that the camera lost 390 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:21,440 its ability to differentiate the heat of that object from 391 00:24:22,079 --> 00:24:25,119 the water. Right. But here's the problem with that argument. 392 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,000 When you were looking at that frame, you saw the 393 00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:34,759 ocean waves, which means the camera was differentiating the difference 394 00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:39,279 in the heat between the waves crest and the waves trough. 395 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,440 And these cameras are capable of differentiating down to a 396 00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:50,079 tenth of a degree centigrade. So an argument that object 397 00:24:50,079 --> 00:24:55,359 didn't hit the water. The camera just lost ability to 398 00:24:55,400 --> 00:25:01,880 discern those temperature differences between supposedly because they're arguing that 399 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,799 this is a Chinese lantern. So the argument is, you 400 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,160 have this very hot heat source four hundred degrees or 401 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,200 more fahrenheit for this candle, and you've got water at 402 00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:19,279 seventy degrees. The camera loses the ability to differentiate, Yet 403 00:25:19,599 --> 00:25:24,400 the camera is still showing us the difference between the 404 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,960 temperature of water cress and the water trough in the ocean. 405 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,680 What should have happened, if their theory was Craig, is 406 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,119 when the object disappeared in the water, we should have 407 00:25:36,279 --> 00:25:39,920 also lost the ability to see the ocean waves. That 408 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,279 should have all faded out. 409 00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:44,079 Speaker 1: Also, now what are we looking at right now? 410 00:25:44,759 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 2: Right now, you're looking back at the airport, and that's 411 00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:52,200 a runway, that long vertical line you see going down, 412 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,039 and that was the pilot, you know, trying to find 413 00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:59,000 the object again because it's finally gone under and disappeared. 414 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for that. I know you did a 415 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,839 lot of work on it. I appreciate that you went 416 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:09,480 through through it with us. And so I don't know, 417 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,319 there's another question here, So I don't know if that 418 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,079 is you said that as part of the videos that 419 00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,160 they released, that one in particular is out there. 420 00:26:19,759 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 2: Against the okwooda video is one of the ones they 421 00:26:22,759 --> 00:26:26,720 released in this batch of material that was released. They 422 00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:30,119 released it, and remember the one from the Knimets case. 423 00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:35,400 They released that video again, and they released the Gimbal 424 00:26:35,559 --> 00:26:39,079 video which was from the year twenty fifteen, and they 425 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,200 released the go Fast video again. 426 00:26:41,839 --> 00:26:46,839 Speaker 1: Wow yeah yeap. So here's a question from Christopher Alexander. 427 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,119 Can you discuss specifically the one newly released photo from 428 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,599 the lunar surface in contrasts of years of claims about 429 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,759 much more seen on the Moon? Are you familiar with 430 00:26:57,759 --> 00:26:58,160 that one? 431 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 2: Yeah? They released from nineteen seventy two, and it shows 432 00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:08,119 and it shows the lunar surface and very far off 433 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,359 there's three little blue dots and what appears to be 434 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,279 a triangular formation. Oh yes, I did see that, so 435 00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:20,440 that actually someone I don't know who it was. They 436 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,880 were looking at NASA photos and you probably easily would 437 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,400 not see this, but most of the time you're seeing 438 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,880 the blown up image. But a person about fifteen years 439 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,119 ago found this on a NASA photo. So this is 440 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,079 not a new photo. It's been released. This is one 441 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:46,519 that's been around and there's been different theories that have 442 00:27:46,599 --> 00:27:48,839 been thrown up to try to explain it. But I 443 00:27:48,839 --> 00:27:53,599 haven't heard a good explanation yet of what those three 444 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,119 little lights are that are in that photo. 445 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: Now, speaking of lights and things like that, does SCU 446 00:28:02,519 --> 00:28:05,119 and we're going to talk about SCU and what that 447 00:28:05,319 --> 00:28:08,279 is for the person that may not be aware, But 448 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:12,960 do they have anyone that focuses on video and photo analysis. 449 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,160 Speaker 2: Yes, we've got several people. That's what they do basically 450 00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:19,640 is photo and video analysis. 451 00:28:20,319 --> 00:28:23,759 Speaker 1: All Right, you heard me talk about off the coast 452 00:28:23,759 --> 00:28:27,599 of Italy of some footage that I was sent just 453 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,440 in the last couple of days. I'm very interested in 454 00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:32,599 having that looked at. We'll talk about that off air, 455 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,440 but we can do that for you. But let's talk 456 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:40,599 about for someone that is unfamiliar with what this SCU is. 457 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,079 I know you've been on it talked many times before. 458 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,279 And it's also it's been the icons right on my 459 00:28:47,359 --> 00:28:49,759 website for anyone that goes to podcast UFO. You can 460 00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:51,720 click on that and get there easily. It's been on 461 00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:55,359 there for years. But it was was it indeed your 462 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,960 brainchild or were you part of the beginning of this? 463 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:04,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, I left mufon in the summer of twenty seventeen 464 00:29:05,079 --> 00:29:08,559 and I wanted to create a more scientific organization. It 465 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,000 was I think you can call it my brainchild. And 466 00:29:11,079 --> 00:29:15,200 I contacted Rich Hoffman because he had recently left and 467 00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,240 he had worked with me on the Aguadea video. And 468 00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:23,119 I contacted Larry Cates and Morgan Beale, the other individuals 469 00:29:23,119 --> 00:29:26,079 who had worked with is on the AUGRADEA case, and 470 00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:28,240 I told them what I'd like to do, and so 471 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,680 everyone was in agreement. So we created a nonprofit in 472 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:37,759 September of twenty seventeen and its mission was the scientific 473 00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:45,440 analysis of Unidentified Area phenomenon. So then we just grew 474 00:29:45,599 --> 00:29:50,480 organically so from there and it's been nine years now. 475 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,160 We now have four hundred and twenty members. We have 476 00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:00,799 thirty three percent of those members have PhDs. Engineering is 477 00:30:00,799 --> 00:30:05,440 the most common degree, followed by physics and astronomy, and 478 00:30:05,519 --> 00:30:08,960 so we've got a lot. We've got professors from universities, 479 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,240 we have x NASA guys, we have people out of 480 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:18,240 the high tech industry, out of the defense industry, so 481 00:30:18,839 --> 00:30:22,039 we cover the entire gambit. So we have people who 482 00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:25,319 can do a lot of different things. So, for example, 483 00:30:25,359 --> 00:30:28,359 a lot of the work that's being done now on 484 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,720 this latest release are being done by now will probably 485 00:30:32,759 --> 00:30:38,599 pronounce his name wrong, but Sanan Robillard who's French. And 486 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:47,720 then also Miguel Pavan who is a PhD in biochemistry 487 00:30:47,759 --> 00:30:51,079 and biological sciences. So we have a lot of people 488 00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,200 that are available to us. 489 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: That's great, and you think about it. When I started 490 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,720 the show back in twenty eleven, I would have ever 491 00:31:00,839 --> 00:31:04,119 dreamed that this would have happened, because I was talking 492 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,319 to people of science way back then. That's not really 493 00:31:08,319 --> 00:31:11,319 that long ago, but still, and I'd ask, why don't 494 00:31:11,359 --> 00:31:15,440 you look into this topic. It's such a fascinating puzzle. 495 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,799 Why don't you take it seriously? And the ridicule factor 496 00:31:19,279 --> 00:31:22,279 was different before twenty seventeen. 497 00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 2: That's an excellent point, Martin, it was very different. There. 498 00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:29,200 Some of your listeners probably have heard of what was 499 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:33,119 called the Invisible College back in the nineteen eighties and nineties, 500 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:37,759 where academia would get together, but they didn't want anyone 501 00:31:37,799 --> 00:31:40,440 to know that they were talking about UFOs as it 502 00:31:40,519 --> 00:31:44,960 was called then. And so to go today where we 503 00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:48,200 have four hundred and twenty members and none of them 504 00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:52,440 were worried about their careers by being part of SCU. 505 00:31:53,359 --> 00:31:57,440 So that's a big change. And every year we put 506 00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:01,039 on a conference, and this year we're having our conference 507 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,920 in Toronto, and one of the great things about our 508 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,559 conference is always who attends. In the past, Jay Stratton, 509 00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:14,039 who headed up the UAP Task Force, was at a conference. 510 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:19,400 David Grush was at the conference before anyone knew about 511 00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:20,640 who David Grush was. 512 00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:23,039 Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. Forgot about that. 513 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, same thing with Jay Stratton. He was at a 514 00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:28,079 conference before we knew that he had been the head 515 00:32:28,079 --> 00:32:30,799 of the UAP Task Force. So we have a lot 516 00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:35,000 of people that show up in our conference that are 517 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:40,640 in the government and heavily involved in UAPs, but you 518 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,359 don't know about it till a few years goes. By 519 00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:47,000 this year, Chris Mellon is heading off as our KENOT, 520 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,759 but we also have Randy Bostik. Randy was the head 521 00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:56,039 of the Arrow. He was their science director for ERROW, 522 00:32:56,279 --> 00:33:00,480 so he was their main scientist and he's retired from 523 00:33:00,599 --> 00:33:04,519 ERRO and so now he's free to be on our 524 00:33:04,599 --> 00:33:08,119 show or our conference, so he'll be there. And then 525 00:33:08,119 --> 00:33:12,400 we have another eighteen scientists that we'll be talking at 526 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,000 the conference. We've got some individuals that you guys are 527 00:33:16,039 --> 00:33:20,720 probably familiar with. Let's see Chris Rakowski who oh yeah, 528 00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:23,799 Chris is great. Yeah, and Chris does the work with 529 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,359 the Canadian government, and that's what this conference is about, 530 00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:32,680 how academian government can work together. So Chris will be talking. 531 00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:39,160 Laura Domine one of our board members who's French. She's 532 00:33:39,319 --> 00:33:42,839 now stationed in Japan and we'll be talking about the 533 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:49,720 history of the UFO subject in Japan. And Christian Peters 534 00:33:49,799 --> 00:33:53,039 there is coming from Germany and is going to be 535 00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:58,079 talking from the sociological aspects. And there's Chris on the 536 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,599 left that I just talked about. And Doug Bittner, he's 537 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,960 one of our video analysts who's he is a PhD 538 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:11,880 in astrophysics. Wow, he's worked with NASA. And then George 539 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,920 or Gergo there not George I guess that might be 540 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,239 his American name. He will be talking about the health 541 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,079 effects that have been reported as related to u AP. 542 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:28,320 And Glenn Robertson is a former NASA scientist who will 543 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:36,559 be talking about quantum gravity and issues around potential propulsion techniques. 544 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:40,719 And then Kevin Kanooth is always a great speaker, and 545 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:46,679 he'll be talking about hell anomalous is anomalous and he's 546 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:53,119 very Flora Dominey right there, and of course canoos without 547 00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:56,599 Matthew sadegis and he'll be talking about their new venture 548 00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:02,400 on using camera systems. And Michael Veillon is French and 549 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,280 will be coming and he has worked with GPON for 550 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,360 many years and will be talking to us about his 551 00:35:08,519 --> 00:35:14,079 experience with GPON and what they've learned. Maya Callen is 552 00:35:14,119 --> 00:35:17,880 getting her PhD and I believe anthropology and she will 553 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:23,000 be talking. And Mike Sefone they're trying to set up 554 00:35:23,199 --> 00:35:27,719 within another organization the idea of how do you determine 555 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:30,400 who knows what they're talking about on the subject of 556 00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:36,000 UAP right, And then Rainier is from his Dalen in Norway. 557 00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:38,360 He is German, but he will be talking to us 558 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,920 about his Dalen and Richard Griffiths, an astronomer as a 559 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:47,519 professor in Hawaii, will be talking about is there a 560 00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:54,440 way you could detect travel through space using gravitational warping 561 00:35:56,039 --> 00:36:01,960 by looking at stars? And then of course Robert McGuire 562 00:36:02,039 --> 00:36:06,880 will be talking about a camera system they have. Sean Grosbner, 563 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:12,360 he runs our UAP investigation group in SCU, so he'll 564 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,639 be giving an update. And then Stephen Brule has done 565 00:36:16,679 --> 00:36:23,760 the work with Beatrice Varell related to astronomical plates, and 566 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,800 you will actually have I believe it will be either 567 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,719 Kevin Kneath or Laura Dominatu will be giving an opposing 568 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:38,039 view of what they have discovered. That's exciting and that's 569 00:36:38,039 --> 00:36:41,480 important science, right, because yes, it is to have the 570 00:36:41,559 --> 00:36:45,039 different views to determine who who's right and who's wrong. 571 00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:47,119 And then Michah Hanks will. 572 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:52,079 Speaker 1: Be our mc perfect. He's perfect for that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 573 00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:55,719 so yeah, what a great oh group of people here, 574 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,679 This is really exciting. Now, it's funny you mentioned the 575 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,360 first thing I thought of when you said about Christian 576 00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,599 Peters here is you really now you have two people 577 00:37:06,679 --> 00:37:11,039 from Germany, but you really hear too much about Germany 578 00:37:11,079 --> 00:37:15,280 and Germans when it comes to UAP UFOs, this just 579 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:19,480 doesn't seem like a lot of maybe not Maybe there's interest, 580 00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:21,239 but there's not a lot of involvement. 581 00:37:21,639 --> 00:37:25,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot more involvement from Germany that there's 582 00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:28,039 now a university. Gosh, for the life of me, I'm 583 00:37:28,039 --> 00:37:31,719 forgetting the professor's name there. He's actually a member of 584 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:38,599 SCU also. But they actually have university funding to do 585 00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:43,519 camera work, developing an automated camera system and they're going 586 00:37:43,559 --> 00:37:45,960 to actually they actually have a project to put a 587 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,519 camera system on Mars, and one of the things they'll 588 00:37:50,519 --> 00:37:54,320 look for will be UAP right, because when it's on Mars, 589 00:37:54,599 --> 00:37:56,639 there's not much they have to worry about other than 590 00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,920 meteors that might interfere. There's not going to be any balloons, 591 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,000 no aircraft, nothing like that. It will be interesting. 592 00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 1: Wow, that is amazing. So pop this question up here. Yeah, 593 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,280 there was talk before about structures on the Moon. Is 594 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,639 there anything new, whether that's true or not. 595 00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:17,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know what they're referring to. There are linear 596 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,320 shapes that have been seen in various photographs on the Moon. 597 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,760 But and I'm not a geologist, I'm a chemist, But 598 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:30,159 there are geological type for formations in the way rocks 599 00:38:30,199 --> 00:38:33,880 can break. That can cause you to have straight lines 600 00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:38,159 at times. To me, you should always be open about things, right, 601 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,519 So is it possible? It could be. I just have 602 00:38:41,679 --> 00:38:46,239 not seen the evidence yet to convince me that that 603 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,159 there are any type of geological structures on the Moon. 604 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:55,320 But if there were, that would be one interesting piece 605 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,360 of information, wouldn't it. 606 00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:01,639 Speaker 1: Yes, And I'm excited that within a few years or 607 00:39:01,639 --> 00:39:04,239 maybe even by the end of next year, we're gonna 608 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,000 have feet on the ground again on the Moon. That's exciting. 609 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, and hopefully not long after that on Mars. 610 00:39:11,159 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 1: I know that's isn't that a one way trip? 611 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,119 Speaker 2: Yeah? Have you ever seen the Martian I have? 612 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,480 Speaker 1: Yes, that made it good? Yeah, he made it back, 613 00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:28,760 he did. Yeah. But there's a lot. There's a lot 614 00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,199 involved in going to Mars. It's not like the Moon 615 00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,920 at all. Oh, especially the distance it takes to get 616 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,639 there and the energy would take to come back, if 617 00:39:36,639 --> 00:39:40,199 that was even possible. But so anyway, I'm excited for 618 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,719 this conference. That sounds like a great one for you. 619 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,400 Do you plan these things? How? You were already thinking 620 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:46,440 of twenty twenty seven. 621 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,320 Speaker 3: When it comes to we will start thinking about the 622 00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:56,559 twenty twenty seventh comp twenty twenty seventh conference probably in 623 00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:58,280 about September. 624 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:03,039 Speaker 2: Like this conference in Toronto is July twenty fourth to 625 00:40:03,079 --> 00:40:08,039 twenty six, and then two months after that will begin 626 00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:12,159 looking at the next conference. Oh and one thing on 627 00:40:12,199 --> 00:40:15,480 this conference. I wanted to tell your listeners too. It's 628 00:40:15,559 --> 00:40:17,920 great if they can make it to Toronto, which is 629 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,440 a beautiful city, But beyond that, you can also attend 630 00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:26,159 online and I believe the online costs is seventy five dollars. 631 00:40:26,639 --> 00:40:28,840 And not only do you get to hear all of 632 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:34,039 the talks you can hear, you can watch recordings of 633 00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:37,840 them up for up to three months, and you get 634 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:43,039 to to interface with everyone else that's in the online conference. 635 00:40:43,159 --> 00:40:46,199 Speaker 1: Yes, I did that before. Yes, it's great. That works 636 00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:50,719 out really great. And yeah, that's definitely an alternative if 637 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:51,440 you can't be there. 638 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:52,199 Speaker 2: Yeah. 639 00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:56,519 Speaker 1: Yeah. And Christopher Mellen, I've never met him in person, 640 00:40:56,559 --> 00:41:01,239 but when he first got into this UF world, I 641 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,039 was the first one to interview him in twenty fifteen, 642 00:41:04,599 --> 00:41:07,559 and he used to talk when we talked about them. Yeah, 643 00:41:07,599 --> 00:41:10,000 we talked on the phone all the time when he 644 00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:13,880 first was interested in this, and then he got involved 645 00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,199 in to the Stars Academy, and so they kind of 646 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,840 said you can't talk to anyone, and I lost touch 647 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,760 with them. We're every once in a while with exchange 648 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,000 an email or whatever. But yeah, he's done a lot 649 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,840 of really good things for this whole. 650 00:41:28,039 --> 00:41:33,639 Speaker 2: Oh I tell you what. Chris and Jay Stratton and 651 00:41:33,679 --> 00:41:39,320 lou Alissando together, the three of them probably are you 652 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:43,679 could credit with really getting Congress interested into this subject. 653 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,760 Speaker 1: Yes, yep, I think they really have. They've really played 654 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,480 played a role in that definitely. So you talked about 655 00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:55,880 all these different people that involved in the SCU. What 656 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,800 role do you think that academia should play as far 657 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,360 as uap s or UFO studies. I'm stuck on the 658 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:04,840 word UFO. I can't help it. 659 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,039 Speaker 2: Nothing wrong with that. As a matter of fact, if 660 00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:11,880 you look on the government's depthside, yes, they use the 661 00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:16,159 word UFO. So there's a lot of people get terminology straight. 662 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:16,840 Speaker 1: That's true. 663 00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:21,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, you got me laughing and I forgot your question, Martin. 664 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:27,719 Speaker 1: So just what do you think academia what role should 665 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,920 they play when it comes to actually doing the type 666 00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,000 of research. Do you think that I know that it's 667 00:42:34,039 --> 00:42:38,360 being accepted more and more. But I think of the 668 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:43,400 people in SCU are looked at more I don't know, 669 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,480 with more credibility. I don't know what you want to 670 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,840 call it. But what role do you think that I'm 671 00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:51,280 trying to remember exactly how I pose the question. 672 00:42:52,039 --> 00:42:56,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, academia has a very important role in the 673 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,639 study of UAP, right, and that's one of the main 674 00:42:59,679 --> 00:43:04,440 goals BESSEE is getting academia involved. So like we visit 675 00:43:04,559 --> 00:43:09,199 universities sometimes to talk to students. We a lot of 676 00:43:09,199 --> 00:43:13,880 our members are professors, and we really promote our members 677 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:19,599 writing academic papers that get into academic journals, and there 678 00:43:19,679 --> 00:43:22,320 have now been I don't have the exact number in 679 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,920 front of me, but it's several dozens of papers that 680 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,840 are now in academic journals. And that's important because that's 681 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,960 how academia approaches a topic and so that that's something 682 00:43:36,159 --> 00:43:39,159 we are really trying to be in the forefront on. 683 00:43:40,639 --> 00:43:46,000 Speaker 1: And as far as are there, there's still critics out there, 684 00:43:46,039 --> 00:43:51,880 of course, and they're calling UAP research silence, pseudoscience and 685 00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,280 what do you how do you react to something like that? 686 00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,280 Speaker 2: They should just go read these articles in academic journals. 687 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,320 You don't get into Nate Sure magazine, but it's not 688 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,400 a magazine the Nature Journal right by right, it writing 689 00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:10,880 pseudo science. Right, you don't get into any of all 690 00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:16,559 of these academic journals or peer reviewed, so in all 691 00:44:16,559 --> 00:44:20,000 you have to do is go read what's there and 692 00:44:20,039 --> 00:44:21,920 you'll know it's not pseudoscience. 693 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:28,360 Speaker 1: So you mentioned Chris Ruktowski earlier, a great guy. I 694 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,000 got to meet him up in Canada, and Canada launched 695 00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:36,320 the Sky Canada project back in twenty twenty three. And 696 00:44:37,159 --> 00:44:40,679 are we seeing any other countries becoming more organized and 697 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:42,800 investigations like they have? 698 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,719 Speaker 2: Really the countries that are well organized besides Canada and 699 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:53,920 the United States, Uruguay has a program that is actively 700 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:58,119 involved with in your military. It looks at UAP France, well, 701 00:44:58,199 --> 00:45:03,280 Gipon is probably one of the best, and then England. 702 00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,400 Of course they follow after the US, so it's not 703 00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:11,760 as unique there. But those are the main countries that 704 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:16,320 have led in the study of Now Belgium, right they 705 00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:20,679 but it was centered bore around the nineteen ninety Belgian 706 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:25,480 triangle wave of the equilateral triangles that hit Belgium in 707 00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:32,039 eighty nine. Their military worked with their civilian organizations on that. 708 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,360 So there's also a new organization in Denmark now that's 709 00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:41,920 studying ap There are organizations throughout Europe so much that 710 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,639 SCU actually has what we call our European Advisor, who 711 00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,440 keeps up with everything happening in. 712 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,800 Speaker 1: Europe really wow. 713 00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then we also have a Latin American advisor 714 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:59,960 because there's so much that happens in Latin America. 715 00:46:00,079 --> 00:46:04,360 Speaker 1: Yes, yep. And you used to hear about CEPHA haaha 716 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:08,039 something like that from Chile, and I haven't really heard anything. 717 00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:10,239 They were really involved for a while. 718 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, they were. I haven't heard too much from them lately. 719 00:46:13,519 --> 00:46:17,800 So I'm not sure what's happened with the Chilean. 720 00:46:17,559 --> 00:46:21,000 Speaker 1: And there was Joseli was heading that and I used 721 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:22,679 to hear from him all the time. I haven't heard 722 00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,519 from him in a long time. I'm not sure if 723 00:46:24,519 --> 00:46:27,800 he's still involved and that or not. So another thing 724 00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:32,320 occurred to me, is there any cooperation between SEU and 725 00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,320 the government as far as any of the research. 726 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:40,000 Speaker 2: Like we have, We've worked with AERO, right, We've been 727 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:45,199 like I was at their workshop, and so we work, 728 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,519 we try to work together, but the problem is the 729 00:46:48,559 --> 00:46:53,199 classification that the government does. Right, So here's the Kitch 730 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:57,000 twenty two. Let's say a report comes from the Air 731 00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,639 Force that comes from the Navy. They give it to AERO, 732 00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,639 but there's the Navy in the Air Force that controlled 733 00:47:02,639 --> 00:47:08,159 the classification, not error. So if Aero's got this interesting case, 734 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,000 they can't give it to SCU to analyze. They have 735 00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:16,480 to find an organization somewhere. 736 00:47:16,119 --> 00:47:18,639 Speaker 1: That has the sere thought of it though. 737 00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:24,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that becomes the problem. And then let's say 738 00:47:25,559 --> 00:47:29,280 they asked s you can you go get those the 739 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:33,480 security clearances? Yes, we could go do that, but then 740 00:47:33,519 --> 00:47:38,320 the problem becomes, we can't publish it, right because it's okay, 741 00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:42,880 this has been classified. Now we've given you security clearics 742 00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,000 to look at it. Now that you've looked at it 743 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,599 and analyzed it, you can give us your report, but 744 00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:52,400 you can't publish that without us going through it and 745 00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:56,199 deciding what can and cannot be published. 746 00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:57,360 Speaker 1: Right. 747 00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:03,960 Speaker 2: So that that's difficult for academics like in SEU to 748 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:09,400 not be especially if they have a good finding, right. 749 00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,239 And then if the government says now you can't publish that. 750 00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:19,360 Speaker 1: Wow, I've had an attitude about AAR and so you 751 00:48:19,519 --> 00:48:22,880 work directly with them, and a lot of what I've 752 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,639 had the feeling of is that they're more or less 753 00:48:25,679 --> 00:48:30,559 window dressing, trying to keep things away from the public. 754 00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:34,079 And I've heard so many stories about people that have 755 00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:36,400 interviewed with them and then they said they didn't interview 756 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,039 with them, and I just didn't. I didn't trust them. 757 00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:42,679 And I just since you actually dealt with them directly, 758 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,000 sat down with them, do you have a different attitude 759 00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:46,360 than I do. 760 00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:51,880 Speaker 2: It's probably in between. When Kirkpatrick ran the organization, that 761 00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:54,960 was true, and I think that's what you were seeing. 762 00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:55,719 Speaker 1: Yeah. 763 00:48:55,760 --> 00:49:00,800 Speaker 2: I actually think John Koslowski is very open. He's a 764 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,360 good guy. The people I was around are just like 765 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,679 you and I. They're trying to do their job. I 766 00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:11,119 think they have a good group of people. The problem 767 00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:16,519 is they work underneath Now it's I hate the word 768 00:49:16,599 --> 00:49:19,559 Department of War rather than Department of Defense. 769 00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm not too wild about it. 770 00:49:22,199 --> 00:49:25,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, they work under that organization, so they don't have 771 00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:29,199 They are very limited in what they can do, right. 772 00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:34,679 I think that limits them, right. And the other limit 773 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,840 is in most of these government organizations, people come and 774 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,639 go within two years. And you and I are familiar 775 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,559 enough with this subject, it takes you two years just 776 00:49:45,679 --> 00:49:49,719 to get your feet wet and understand the subject. It's 777 00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:52,400 not a subject you can just walk into and hit 778 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:57,480 the ground running. So that is a problem not just 779 00:49:57,559 --> 00:50:02,039 for aerow, that's a problem across any government agency that's 780 00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:05,639 trying to learn and understand of the UAP. 781 00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:10,360 Speaker 1: Subject, unless they had an interest before and really looked 782 00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:10,880 into the. 783 00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,840 Speaker 2: Topic, unless they had had a personal interest and had 784 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:19,000 already been studying it now. And that's where I'll just comment, 785 00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:24,360 the FBI is in a unique position because, for one thing, 786 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,880 those guys are actual investigators, right, It's what they do 787 00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:32,719 day in and day out. And those guys remain in 788 00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:35,360 a role, can remain in a row for many years, 789 00:50:35,519 --> 00:50:37,920 not just one or two years, and then are transferred 790 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:41,840 off into a totally different role. So I think the 791 00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:46,280 FBI could play a unique role in the study in 792 00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:47,639 the whole UAP subject. 793 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,280 Speaker 1: Now, when you think of the CIA, you think of 794 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:56,119 international That's what I first think of, like, how could 795 00:50:56,119 --> 00:50:59,079 they have any involvement in UFOs. But according I've had 796 00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,480 John Ramirez on here a number of times, and according 797 00:51:02,519 --> 00:51:07,239 to him, there is some type of involvement or he 798 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:08,119 believes there is. 799 00:51:08,519 --> 00:51:12,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, Historically, on the subject of UFOs, and up. The 800 00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:17,719 CIA has been involved from day one. Yeah, They in 801 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,159 the Air Force are the two organizations that have been 802 00:51:21,199 --> 00:51:27,079 involved across and if you look what's happened since twenty seventeen, right, 803 00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,800 what you're not hearing is anything from the Air Force 804 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:34,679 or any exactly it's the IA to speak of. 805 00:51:35,559 --> 00:51:37,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was going to just say, we're hearing 806 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,599 from the Navy, and we even heard from the Army 807 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:46,280 at one Homeland security, yes, and then but where's the 808 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:52,360 Air Force that supposed to be protecting the skies? The 809 00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:53,719 last one we're hearing from. 810 00:51:54,079 --> 00:51:57,320 Speaker 2: I'll tell you a neat little story. Hopefully Jay Stratton 811 00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,480 won't get upset with me for telling this one. 812 00:51:59,639 --> 00:52:00,000 Speaker 1: Hopefully. 813 00:52:00,199 --> 00:52:03,480 Speaker 2: He was going in to brief Congress and there was 814 00:52:03,519 --> 00:52:07,360 a two star general at the table, in the Air 815 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,880 Force general, and he says, why are you doing this? 816 00:52:11,519 --> 00:52:15,280 You know we shut this down back in nineteen seventy. 817 00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:18,800 There's no need to be raising this back up again. 818 00:52:19,679 --> 00:52:22,840 And Jay said he looked over the guy, and after 819 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:25,960 the guy said, well, haven't you learned anything? And Jay said, yeah, 820 00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,159 I learned one thing. Don't blame it all on swap gas. 821 00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,559 Speaker 1: Oh funny, Hey, speaking of that, I know I've never 822 00:52:34,599 --> 00:52:36,840 told you this story. I have told my audience at 823 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:41,559 least two times. But I'm in South Carolina, involved in 824 00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:45,119 the guitar strumming group, and I got to talking to 825 00:52:45,199 --> 00:52:46,719 a guy and he came over to the house and 826 00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,440 we were talking, and he's a bit quite a bit 827 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,159 older than myself, and he said that he worked at 828 00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:58,880 Right Path when he would be working in some big 829 00:52:59,039 --> 00:53:02,280 governmental building and he says, oh, yeah, I used to 830 00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:05,519 sit in and have dinner in the cafe with these 831 00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,119 Project blue Book people and he said, yeah. He said, 832 00:53:09,159 --> 00:53:11,480 I had an interest. It was interesting to hear some 833 00:53:11,559 --> 00:53:14,280 of the stories and something like that. And then and 834 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:18,480 then he says, and then basically they supposedly closed up, 835 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,519 but he said they were still there, but some of 836 00:53:22,519 --> 00:53:25,199 them were still there after in nineteen seventy. 837 00:53:25,639 --> 00:53:28,039 Speaker 2: Yeah. I did not used to be convinced of this, 838 00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:31,679 but I am today that there's an organization, and I 839 00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:36,880 think pretty sure it's the CIA that continued to investigate 840 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:42,039 a UFO's and UAP throughout the nineteen nineties and into 841 00:53:42,119 --> 00:53:46,639 the twenty first century after Blue Book shut down, And 842 00:53:46,679 --> 00:53:50,559 I think I suspect that's the group, either they or 843 00:53:50,599 --> 00:53:53,719 the Air Force that pulled the data off of the 844 00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:54,880 USS Princeton. 845 00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,960 Speaker 1: The data bricks, Yeah, they disappeared, and I was just 846 00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:03,039 talking about that last week. So here's our last question 847 00:54:03,079 --> 00:54:06,280 of the night here. Thank you Crank. Why is the 848 00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,840 Navy more forthcoming that we were just talking about this 849 00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,920 with information? Could it have something to do with maybe 850 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:16,239 the visitors live in the ocean and find them asa 851 00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:20,760 possible threat. There's definitely a lot of talk about USOS 852 00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,719 and the possibilities of that and how we know more 853 00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,960 about the surface of the Moon than the ocean under 854 00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:27,440 the ocean. 855 00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,159 Speaker 2: Your thoughts on that, Yeah, there's definitely something to USOS. 856 00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,199 I will not disagree on that. As to why the Navy, 857 00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:39,519 if you look at history, the Navy has seems to 858 00:54:39,559 --> 00:54:42,079 have always been more open to the subject than the 859 00:54:42,119 --> 00:54:45,519 Air Force. And by the way, Jay Stratton, who headed 860 00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:50,280 up the UAP Task Force, was part of the Naval 861 00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:55,079 Office of o and I Office of Naval Investigations. So 862 00:54:55,800 --> 00:55:01,400 the original group was the Navy headed up our first 863 00:55:01,519 --> 00:55:02,280 UAP group. 864 00:55:03,679 --> 00:55:07,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, amazing, Thank you so much, Robert. And so for 865 00:55:07,079 --> 00:55:11,480 those listening, whether you're watching here on YouTube or Facebook 866 00:55:11,639 --> 00:55:15,880 or Twitter, go find the information about the su conference. 867 00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:18,960 And also, Robert, you wrote a book back in what 868 00:55:19,079 --> 00:55:20,599 was the twenty twelve. 869 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,559 Speaker 2: Yes it was. I've got it right here is Larin. 870 00:55:23,559 --> 00:55:26,760 In fact, I'm going to a book doing a book 871 00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:30,440 fair this weekend in Austin. It's UFOs as Scientists explains 872 00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:35,119 what we know and don't know. Yeah, my compilation of 873 00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,280 the twenty years of work I put into this and 874 00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,119 why I think UAPs are. 875 00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:43,320 Speaker 1: So you're in Austin, Actually, yeah, I'm in Oh. I 876 00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:45,159 love Austin. That's a nice area. Are you seeing any 877 00:55:45,199 --> 00:55:48,159 of those Tesla robotaxis running around there? 878 00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,519 Speaker 2: Oh? I haven't seen the teslas, but we have the waymows, 879 00:55:51,559 --> 00:55:54,280 which is the Google tax all over the place. I 880 00:55:54,519 --> 00:55:59,000 sometimes see twenty of them within a three mile car 881 00:55:59,119 --> 00:55:59,920 trip that I'll take. 882 00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:04,679 Speaker 1: We're all about that, Yeah, yeah, crazy, all right, Thank 883 00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:06,719 you so much. Yeah, that's the way of the future. 884 00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:08,599 We're all going to be sitting and letting the car 885 00:56:08,679 --> 00:56:13,679 strivis around. Thanks so much. It's always a pleasure, Robert. 886 00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:16,639 I enjoy each and every time you're on the show. 887 00:56:17,079 --> 00:56:18,360 Speaker 2: May Tags. Thank you Martin. 888 00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:21,280 Speaker 1: Yes, very good, and I'll talk to you soon. We 889 00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:24,199 have some great guests coming up in the future. And 890 00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:28,079 hold tight. Remember last week I said, speaking with James Fox, 891 00:56:28,119 --> 00:56:31,400 he said something big is happening and he's going to 892 00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,000 be on I'm not sure exactly when to be talking 893 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,000 about that, but I've heard other people alluding to that, 894 00:56:37,519 --> 00:56:40,559 So whatever that is, there's a lot going on. And 895 00:56:40,599 --> 00:56:45,199 thank you all for attending, watching or listening after in 896 00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,760 the podcast or wherever you listen to the show. I 897 00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,400 appreciate you all, and remember to keep your eyes to 898 00:56:50,480 --> 00:57:07,239 the sky.