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Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirley You Can't

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Be Serious Podcast. I am d Graves. I am here

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with my co host Jason Colvin, and it is no

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longer a podcast. It is a quest. It is a

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quest for fun. I'm gonna have fun. Jason's gonna have fun.

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You all are gonna have so much freaking fun that

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you're gonna need plastic surgery to remove the smiles off

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your freaking faces. We're gonna be whistling zippity DooDah out

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of our assholes. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. We are

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here to discuss two iconic movies from the eighties, National

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Lampoon's Vacation and The Great.

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Speaker 2: Outdoors the These are both John movies, but neither one

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of them is directed by John Hughes.

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Speaker 1: We have been doing an eighties podcast for four years.

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Once we're done with our episode, this will be the

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fourth movie by John Hughes that we have covered, and

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we have not yet covered one that he has directed.

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That is insane. That is, we haven't done Breakfast Club,

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we haven't done Ferris Bueller's Day Off. We haven't done

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Sixteen Candles, we haven't done Curly did you just say

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curly Sue? Oh my gosh, ladies and gentlemen, let me

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tell you a story about a geek in high school

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who married the high school cheerleader. And his name is

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John Hughes. Oh great, I'm at your feet. Let's let's go.

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I will go into his history in just a bit. First,

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let me say this, This is just a side story, right.

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The Great Outdoors is directed by Howard Deutsch, right, and

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he's kind of one of John hughes go to guys

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when John Hughes can't direct the movies. Is the go

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to guy when John Hughes can't direct it. Exactly the

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way he puts it is I am Saliary to the

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John Hughes Amadaeus. That's good. And so he's telling this

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story about when they're in the midst of shooting some

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kind of wonderful and they realize that they need rewrite

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on a scene that they've got for the next day,

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two page rewrite, and he ends up falling asleep on

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John hughes couch. He wakes up and John Hughes hands

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him fifty pages of stuff and he's like, this was

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a two page rewrite? What is this? And He's like, well, yeah,

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I didn't do that. I did this instead, hands him

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these fifty pages and it's the first fifty pages to

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Ferris Bueler's DA. That's incredible. The guy was, as Kevin

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Smith puts it, the Shakespeare of the eighties, Like he

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could sit down at a typewriter and put fourth Genius

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in no time. Like there were no hard, long, laborist

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writing sessions with him. He would put himself in a

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room for the weekend, and at the end of the

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weekend he would come out with a movie. Yeah, just

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go in knock it out. Oh, by the way, here's

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weird science. I did this in three days or two days. Yeah. Now, guys,

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I'm going to digress significantly at this point. I just

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got to I got to talk about this for a second. Okay,

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So this past week I saw the movie The Flash,

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and I was very excited. I even remember watching the

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movie and thinking to myself, these guys have got it.

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Jason has said when we talked about top Gun Maverick,

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we said he figured out the formula. Right, You throw

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back to certain spots and then you give us something new.

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And I'm watching The Flash and I'm thinking to myself.

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They've got the formula right. They threw back to the

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right things, and I'm not gonna spoil it unless you

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haven't seen the preview. If you haven't seen the preview,

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skip the next fifteen seconds. But Batman eighty nine is

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a big part of this movie, and I felt like

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they absolutely nailed a new movie by throwing back to

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an old movie. Jason gives it a C plus. So

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I ask you all, just, once you've seen the movie,

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send us an email, hit us up on Twitter, hit

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us up on Facebook, and tell us which one of

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us is right. I'm giving this movie a solid A.

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Jason gives it a C plus. I will say this.

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You know how much I hate CGI. The CGI is

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a distraction, but I just knew that going in and

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I put it aside and I said, I'm not gonna

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worry about the CGI and the bad CGI that DC

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always does. I'm just going to enjoy the story. And

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I felt like it was a great story. Yeah you did.

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Speaker 2: I do think there was some missed opportunity there. I

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think it could have been better. I do think it

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was Barry Allen character was annoying, and then you had

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him on screen two times for the entire you know,

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and I and I've come to grips with myself. I

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think what I really wanted was Batman eighty nine Part three, right, and.

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Speaker 1: So man, and that's not what a epic exactly exactly.

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Speaker 2: So I was a bit disappointed, but I did enjoy

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it and I thought it finished strong.

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Speaker 1: So hey, guys, just you know, full disclosure. We have

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another podcast that's called the Podcast Full of Kryptonite where

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we co host with our friend from the thirty something

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movie podcast, John Reid. John read it feels the same

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way that Jason does. I am in the minority on

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this situation. Please coming back me up and say the

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Flash is a good movie. Okay, guys, This episode is

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brought to you by our new executive producer, mister Tim Epp.

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Tim signed up on our Patreon page. Thank you, Tim,

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We truly appreciate you. As with all of our Patreon members,

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we usually ask, hey, what do you you know? What

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do you want us to talk about? And he suggested Rush.

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He thinks that Rush is the band to compare to

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somebody else. He suggested maybe some other Canadian bands like

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lover Boy or Brian Adams. I'm all good with that.

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I mean, Rush is heavy and ready player one and

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that's good good enough for me. Hey, listen, he is

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our third Canadian patron. Hey, what's going on man? I mean,

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what is going on in Canada? Man?

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Speaker 2: We've established a little bit of popularity up there.

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Speaker 1: Let's go America and hey guys, we're bringing you today

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the Great Outdoors with mister Dan Aykroyd and mister John

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Candy too. Two monumental gifts from Canada to the US.

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No doubt, no doubt. That's awesome.

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Speaker 2: All right, So I want to shout out our buddy.

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Speaker 1: Chris Webber, Chris much further South.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Chris sent us a record of the Smithereens.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Chris has sent.

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Speaker 2: Us some great records that we really need to do

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some sort of track by track of what he sent us.

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Chris is a great friend of ours and just a

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really great support of the show.

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Speaker 1: Chris, We truly appreciate you, man. Okay, Dan, I've got

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a special shout out for you. You ready for this one?

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Speaker 2: This is a shout out from a guy who follows

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us on Twitter. His name is Lee Matthews. Okay, Okay,

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now get this. This tweet happened on June twentieth at

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nine to eleven.

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Speaker 3: AM.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, this is what he said.

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Speaker 2: I'm listening to you guys right now driving over here

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in the UK. Love your guys work. Thank you very much.

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Oh how about a versus of Eastwood every which way

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but loose versus any which way you can?

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Speaker 1: Just a thought? But that was the day that we

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released it, right, So I hit him right back. I'm like,

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you mean like this, bam. So he suggested a matchup

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that we had literally released dropped it that morning. Oh

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my gosh, that's hil How about that. That's fantasmic. I no, well,

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there you go. Your wish is our command. We're here

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to serve. Thanks Lee, Appreciate you, buddy.

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Speaker 2: And then finally, I want to give a quick shout

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out to our good friend Jeff Johnson.

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Speaker 1: He sent me a couple of DVDs. It just really

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Speaker 2: So he sent me the director's copy of The Outsiders,

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which we talked about ye. And then he also sent

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me a DVD of Wisdom Early Emiliostavez Demi Moore movie

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that he and I had been talking about. We may

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cover in nineteen eighty six. So Jeff, thank you very much.

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We appreciate you, boy.

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Speaker 1: And now back to John Hughes. Okay, so John Hughes,

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he actually moved around a bunch. He wasn't only raised

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in Chicago. I think he said in seventh grade he

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had gotten his life finally figured out was popular with people.

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was a nerd for pretty much all of his high

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school career. But he did, in nineteen seventy end up

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marrying one of the cheerleaders and they stayed married until

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his death in two thousand and nine. So he gets

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married to her in nineteen seventy the cheerlead, yes, and

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then he promptly drops out of the University of Arizona. Okay.

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He starts writing jokes for Rodney Dangerfield and Joan Rivers,

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just sending them, just twenty year old guy, just sending

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jokes to these two comedians. And then he gets a

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job as a copywriter at an advertising agency, works at

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Needham Harper and Steers, went to another advertising company called

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Leo Burnett Worldwide and seventy four and he's the guy

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you guys can remember it, like, they shave the guy's

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face with you know, edge gel on one side and

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regular shaving cream on the other side, and they rub

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a credit card on his face and it's scratchy on

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the shaving cream side and smooth on the edge jail side.

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That is mister John Hughes's first worldwide success is a shaving.

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Speaker 3: Jail commercial with an ordinary credit card. We're going to

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prove that Edge let's you shave closer than the leading film.

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First listen to an unshaven face. Now we'll shave the

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left side with poone. The right with Edge Edge lubricates

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closer than phone. Now listen to the phone side, Then

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listen to the edge side. Phone Edge Edge lets you

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Speaker 1: So he is working for this advertising company and one

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of their clients is Virginia Slims. So he ends up

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called National Lampoon. Oh, this is good. Okay, so no

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idea about this. Yeah, so he realizes, Hey, I don't

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with him. So some of his submissions were things called

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April Fool's Day and and my Penis and my vagina. Okay,

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Speaker 2: That is what leads us into this movie, the National

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Lampoon Vacation Movie. And from that story Vacation fifty eight,

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, there are all kinds of things that spill

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covered a few John Hughes, we covered Christmas Vacation, and

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we covered Home Alone again, different directors on those but

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in Rewatching Vacation, it's so much like you can tell

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that Christmas Vacation is like, let's pick up some of

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these best parts. You got the Swat team at the end,

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cusses everybody out.

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Speaker 2: And when he kidnaps his boss the end of Christmas Vacation. Yeah,

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and the whole family's there and it's a Christmas thing.

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like they took it to theaters. They film that where

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he kidnapped his boss, and Harold Ramers said there was

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not a laugh for the last twenty minutes of the movie.

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Speaker 1: Right. So the who they kidnap instead of his boss

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is Roy Wally. Yeah, Roy Wally exactly. Yeah. He's in

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some mansion and they go in and kidnap him and

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force him force them to do dances like him and

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the other rich guys to do dances. And then later

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he takes over a plane which shows up in European Vacation. Yeah,

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and yeah, last bit, They're like, Nope, this isn't working.

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the ending that we all know where they end up

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and it was a dismal failure. National Lampoon had come

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movies fail, So they weren't doing too well at this point. Now,

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the editor for National Lampoon I talked about him on

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our Christmas Vacation episode, is a guy named Matty Simmons. Now,

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if you don't remember, Matty Simmons is one of the

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guys who was a creator of the first credit card

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in addition to being a huge movie producer and a

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what yeah he was talking about, Yeah, Diner's Club Card

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first started with Matty Simmons because he did food reviews.

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Christmas Vacation. I forgot about that. Okay. So he's got

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this story, Vacation fifth eight that John Hughes has written,

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and he brings it to his buddy Jeffrey Kassenberg, right,

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and Jeffrey Katsenberg's like, nah, won't work. It's too episodic. Yeah.

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good decisions in his life. Yeah, this was not one

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of them. That's right, it won't work.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're going here, they're going there, They're going here,

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they're going there.

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because it's a vacation. That's the way that it's like

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a road trip. The road trip. Yeah, they're going places.

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ever been on a road trip before it? So that

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doesn't work, and so he ends up with his agent

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going over to Warner Brothers and Warner Brothers all of

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them are like, nah, I'm not really interested in that

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story either, except for one guy, guy named Mark Canton.

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and he's like, I love it, I want to do it.

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it happen. Now, Mark Canton, this is his first big movie.

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a good start off with this movie.

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Speaker 2: Wow, you're telling me that the same guy who did

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Speaker 1: Yep, he was the producer. He was He was the

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guy behind the money and the big studio that said,

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let's make these things happen. That's fantastic. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So here's the interesting thing at this point, So Mattie

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Simmons says that he bought this at an embarrassingly low price,

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like insultingly low to John Hughes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he.

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Speaker 2: Said, now he's gone on to do better things. And

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of course, so he's okay, you know, so it doesn't

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really feel that bad anymore, right.

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Speaker 1: Well, and credit to Matty Simmons, he made it a

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part of the contract that John Hughes would be the

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guy who would write the screenplay. So John Hughes writes

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the screenplay for National Lampoon Vacation. Again, he does it

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from the perspective of Rusty, yes, not of Clark, right.

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and they say, let's make it from the dad's point

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of view instead of the kids point of out. Yeah,

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that absolutely happened. But here's the deal.

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Speaker 2: You hire Harold Ramis, who just came off the success of.

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Speaker 1: Caddyshack Ye right, yeap and Caddyshack.

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Speaker 2: It had been about three years prior to and it

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didn't do great at the box office, but it had

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really built a strong cult following. Absolutely And of course,

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Chevy Chase is like the coolest guy in the world

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at this point. He'd been in Foul Play, He'd been

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in Caddyshack, Under the Rainbow, Saturday Night Live, he was

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mister carry grant Us stud.

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Speaker 1: I will say this, he had a couple of movies

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right before this that were not like O Heavenly Dog

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Dog and Modern Problems. It was just a couple of

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movies that were not that great, and so under the

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rainbow that might have been. Yeah, you know, Kerry Fisher

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and Abra Hello. Yeah, all right, But anyway, you have

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a few entities that are on a downward trajectory instead

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of an upward trajectory, right, Chevy Chase being one, National

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Lampoon being the other. Obviously with National Lampoon vacation, and

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you get a home run. Then that's followed up by

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John Hughes doing Mister Mom, which we plan to cover

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very soon, yes, And those two get him a three

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film deal with Universal, and that's when we get sixteen.

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Speaker 2: Candles, Candles, Breakfast Club, Paris Bueeler, Weird Science, weird science.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 2: I do think it's interesting though, that the shift from

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Rusty's perspective. So we know, we all know John Hughes

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is a teen guy. I mean, gosh, he was the

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voice of teenagers in the nineteen eighties.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, teen speak, teen speak. There you go. But when

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you hired Chevy Chase, you can't just ignore that star power, right,

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Caddy Shack, they get together, they rewrite the script and

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it becomes from the dad's perspective. Yeah, here's what's interesting.

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I looked at Harold Ramis because I saw, you know,

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this is his sophomore directorial thing, and I was like, okay, yeah,

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Caddy Shack was number one, right, great great movie. By

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the way, guys, go check out our Caddy Shack versus

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Happy Gillmore episode if you haven't seen that. Fun. It

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was fun. Had a great guest on that one as well.

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Number two is Vacation, Yes. Number three Club Paradise. Gosh,

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I think I've seen that once. I have not seen it.

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I couldn't have told you who was in it had

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I not just looked it up. But it's like Robin

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Williams and a bunch of you know, like Twiggy and

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some other random big ensemble piece. And it did really,

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really poorly. And that was nineteen eighty six. Harold Ramis

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did not direct another movie until nineteen ninety three, when

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he did Groundhog Day. Then put your little hand in.

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Speaker 2: Go back and check out our Groundhog episode versus Multiplicity.

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Speaker 1: I had to think hard. I was like, what did

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we compare to Groundhog Day? Too? It was so lopsided

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that particular matchup. Yeah, but but yeah, check out Multiplicity. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So that's interesting because right after he directs Vacation, Harold

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Ramis stars in Ghostbusters. Yeah, which second biggest movie.

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Speaker 1: Of nineteen eighty four. Yeah, yeah, I think so, I

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means huge. Right. Here's something for you that I just

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ran a bit of trivia that happened because I happened

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to watch The Shawshank Redemption in the last week. Yeah,

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the warden from Shashank Redemption. Yes, he's the guy who

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plays Harold Ramis's ghost in Ghostbusters Afterlife. I was like,

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those two guys don't look anything alike, but they just

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they put the right prosthetics on his face and I

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guess whatever features he has, they matched up very well

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with what Harold Ramis looked like. I thought they just

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took like, you know, they just created a cgi of

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Harold Ramis's face, But no, it was actually the warden

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from Shashank Redemption plays the ghost of Harold rams You

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are blowing my mind. There you go, just a random

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thing that happened in life, not even for this episode.

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You are blowing my mind. Or Miss Fussy Britches being

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too obtuse.

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Speaker 2: Okay, hey, here's something interesting. Chevy Chase, when he was

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signed on to do Vacation. He went to Harold Ramis.

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He's like, listen, I'm not a father. How do we

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play this guy? And I just I could not believe

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because he seems like the every dad. Yeah, I mean,

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I really think he nails this part Chevy Chase. His

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two best roles, in my opinion, are Clark Griswold and Fletch.

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Those are the movies that he does the absolute best in.

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Speaker 1: Sure, I just couldn't believe he wasn't a dad at

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that point. All Right, dee, So I've got a question

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for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, name me a movie written by John Hughes

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with a great all American dad, a mom who has

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to handle that dad a little bit right right. They

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take a reluctant family vacation, you have annoying relatives.

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Speaker 1: That show up. Yeah, and you encounter a dead person

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like every vacation movie.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's actually National Lampoon's Vacation and The Great Outdoors.

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Speaker 1: It is is what.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it is exactly the same. It's like a reboot

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Speaker 1: So you're telling me that basically John Candy's character in

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the Great Outdoors is Clark w Yes. Yes, And here's

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the thing, okay, stay with me on this. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So we talked about how Chevy Chase and Harold Raimis

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changed the perspective of vacation from a teen point of

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view to the dad point of view. He wasn't all

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that happy with that, right, John Hughes is pretty particular guy. Now,

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do I think that he just took that story and

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remade it in the great outdoors?

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Speaker 1: Yes? I do, Yes, I do.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and I've got evidence to back it up because

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he's done it before.

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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, stay with me on this. Now.

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Speaker 2: I know that you haven't seen these two movies, but

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we're gonna cover this at some point.

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Speaker 1: The movie Pretty in Pink Mally Ringwold.

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Speaker 2: Andrew McCarthy, James Bader, John Prior, right, and you have

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this sort of love triangle.

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Speaker 1: Is that before or after super that's before? Yeah, that's good. Okay,

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he was so dismal. All right, sorry, digressional. Okay.

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Speaker 2: They finish out Pretty in Pink Andy, the Mully Ringold character.

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She ends up with John Cryer's character.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Well, the studio says, no freaking way, cut that, there's

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no way we can do that, and then they change

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it and you have the epic Reunion of Andrew McCarthy

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and Molly Ringwold, which test audiences hated the original ending,

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which was the John Hughes ending. The studio said, no,

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we're going to change it. John Hughes is like, heck.

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Speaker 1: No, we're not changing it.

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Speaker 2: No, we're changing it, right, So they remade it where

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she ends up with the boyfriend.

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Speaker 1: That sounds ju jus right.

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Speaker 2: You have the swell of the music from OMD and

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everybody loves Pretty in Pink when John Hughes was not

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happy and you're very, very mad about that.

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Speaker 1: He wants the cheerleader to end up with the geek,

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right right.

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Speaker 2: So basically he turns right around and does some kind

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of wonderful which is a reboot of Pretty and Pink

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where he does what he wants and it's the exact

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same thing.

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Speaker 1: So if I understand your theory, Yes, he was unhappy

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that they changed National Lampoon vacation storyline, and so what

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five years later he does it again and gives it

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his own storyline. Yes, and that's why we're comparing these

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two movies today.

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Speaker 2: Yes, all right, I love the same movie, just revamped

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a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love it all right. Instead of

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cousin Eddie, you get cousin Roman. Yes. Wow, yes, you're

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blowing my mind. I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 2: So this goes into our summer of nineteen eighty eight.

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The Great Outdoors came out June seventeenth, nineteen eighty eight.

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Speaker 1: Just to touch on this, guys, we're talking about nineteen

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eighty three and nineteen eighty eight. We're talking about these

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movies are celebrating their fortieth and thirty fifth anniversary this year.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe these movies are this old man, No, right,

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we're getting old.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: This movie, The Great Outdoors was originally titled Big Country.

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Speaker 1: Right. This was the twenty fifth biggest movie of nineteen

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eighty eight. Oh okay, that's something. Nineteen eighty eight was

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a pretty good year for movies. I mean, honestly, to

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be twenty fifth is still pretty darn good. Yeah. Did

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you see this in the theaters? Yes? Okay, yeah, did

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you enjoy it? Yes? This is a two thumbs up

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for you. Okay, good good, okay. So once again, written

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by John Hughes, directed by Howard Deutsch. Let's talk about

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him for just a second, right, Yes, Howie is I

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think what he goes by. But as we said, you

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call him Howie again, I'm gonna Howie Deutsch. That's what

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his wife calls him.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, No, it's okay, good call him Holly.

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Speaker 1: It's fine. If if you're hearing this and you're upset,

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just give me a call, be happy to apologize in person.

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Speaker 2: Howard Deutsch directed the beautiful Leah Thompson in Some kind

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of Wonderful.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right.

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Speaker 2: We talked about how he steps in and he directs

470
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the movies that John Hughes doesn't basically, so he directs

471
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some kind of wonderful. He starts dating his leading lady

472
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and ends up marrying her, and they've got kids and

473
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they're still married.

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Speaker 1: Awesome. Yestast is great. By the way, Just on Leah Thompson.

475
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I'm going to be bringing up Back to the Future shortly,

476
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and for those of you that don't know, Back to

477
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the Future is my favorite movie from the nineteen eighties,

478
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so I will be bringing it up later in the podcast.

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I won't tell you when. It'll just be a surprise.

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That's fine, that's fine.

481
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Speaker 2: We actually talked about Back in the Future last week

482
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when we talked about Clint Eastwood the biggest yellow belly

483
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in the West.

484
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Speaker 1: Right, I think it should be in every episode.

485
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Speaker 2: So anyway, Howard Deutsch comes in to direct The Great Outdoors,

486
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which is why it's a little bit campier than maybe

487
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the others more serious John Hughes stuff.

488
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Speaker 1: You mean like Vacation And yeah, you think it's more

489
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campy than Vacation. Well that was directed by Harold Ramis right.

490
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It's not Breakfast Club, right, you know what I mean.

491
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I mean you have talking raccoons, okay, subtitled. Now I

492
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,680
am not a fan of the talking raccoons and chipmunk speak.

493
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, So yes, I do believe The Great

494
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Outdoors is just a revamp of Vacation.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic. Okay, I can live with that. I can live

496
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with that. Cool.

497
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Speaker 2: Just one more thing on Vacation. Yes, it was released

498
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July twenty ninth, nineteen eighty three. We're coming up on

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the fortieth anniversary. That weekend it opened against Private School

500
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and Kroll.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Kroll, there's a throwback. Yeah. When are we going

502
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to do our Croll versus Beast Master episode? Maybe maybe

503
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next year.

504
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Speaker 2: Before we get into the movie, I want to talk

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about one thing I want to bring out real quick.

506
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the movie poster. Let's talk about both movie posters.

507
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Let's talk about both both moviess. Okay, let's talk about

508
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,079
both the movies posters. How about we do that echo?

509
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What echo? All right, we'll talk about both movies, talk

510
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about both movie posters. All right.

511
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Speaker 2: So the first one, National Lampoon's Vacation, one of my

512
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all time favorite movie posters.

513
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fantastic. It's like dazzling, right right.

514
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Speaker 2: You have Chevy Chase who's muscled up and he's ripped up,

515
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and he's got the tennis racket. He looks like a

516
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gladiator champion.

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Speaker 1: Dad, he looks like Conan the Barbarian he does, which

518
00:26:20,039 --> 00:26:22,759
was also a big movie in that time period. That's right,

519
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But I looked there isn't a cone in the Barbarian

520
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poster that is identical to this one. But as it

521
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turns out, the guy who did the poster did a

522
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whole lot of cone in the Barbarian artwork.

523
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Speaker 2: Yes, that guy's name is Boris Viejo. He also did

524
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posters for Barberrella. Okay, The Empire Strikes Back, oh wow,

525
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and cue the Winged Serpent.

526
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Speaker 1: Oh you remember that movie. We have talked about this before.

527
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Why in the world have we talked about that? I

528
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don't remember. I feel like maybe it was a special

529
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effects Ah, maybe it's.

530
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Speaker 2: One of those cheesy gargoyle like movies that I still loved. Okay,

531
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and then let's flip back to Great Outdoors.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so Great Outdoors. If you are from the US,

533
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the image that you probably have in your head is

534
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,440
dan Aykroyd holding John Candy up by a fishing line

535
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,480
on the poster. Yeah. Well, okay, so do you have

536
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,640
something to say? Yeah? Okay, So here's the deal with that.

537
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's based on a magazine, a Canadian magazine I believe,

538
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of course, called The Great Outdoors. And so it's the

539
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poster is made to look like the front cover of

540
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that magazine.

541
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Speaker 1: Right, So, do you know why they changed the title

542
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from Big Country to The Great Outdoors? I do? Well,

543
00:27:32,319 --> 00:27:34,640
then share it please, you know I do? Okay, well,

544
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,359
we all know, but we're gonna blow your mind for you.

545
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Speaker 2: Because they didn't want to get anybody confused with the

546
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movie Big.

547
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Speaker 1: With Tom Hanks. Yeah. So, by the way, go check out.

548
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,559
That's that's an episode from this season Big Versus Twins.

549
00:27:49,839 --> 00:27:53,160
Big Twins, Remember that is because big is so much

550
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,519
better than twins, That's true. And by the way, on

551
00:27:57,559 --> 00:28:00,279
that track, yakud yak, don't talk back. In both they

552
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,119
Got Some Papers and the Trash, it's in. It is

553
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,200
in the Great Outdoors and it is in it is

554
00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:10,079
two movies from nineteen eighty eight that throw back to

555
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,000
the same song from the fifties. Yeah, could act don't

556
00:28:14,039 --> 00:28:16,559
talk back? Okay. I'm a quick question. Do you ever

557
00:28:16,599 --> 00:28:19,039
sing with your children in the car? Yes? Will they

558
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:20,960
sing oldies with you like that?

559
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 2: Are they putting on the headphones to listen to blitz Creakbop.

560
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Speaker 1: I don't think I have any kids that listen to

561
00:28:27,799 --> 00:28:28,799
the ramones, but.

562
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Speaker 2: Hey, I will tell you something. I do really love

563
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the scene. Of course, we talked about Ellen Grosvelt be

564
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Everly D'Angelo, who was in every which way but loose.

565
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Speaker 1: We covered a couple of weeks ago. She was a

566
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singer my.

567
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Speaker 4: Bird head, my buddy, he you, I have you, Ey's

568
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gown a fie. Mar jon't saying don't fit easy, he's

569
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brown a fire, I'm a ring any of the dwnh.

570
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so she's like nailing it.

571
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's getting the harmonies I literally had that thought

572
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,480
as I was watching again, I'm like, I can tell

573
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that she's a singer now. And I also had the thought,

574
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I wonder if the Fairly Brothers deliberately did the throwback

575
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to It's Gotta be Mockingbird. I think so, right, yeah,

576
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:21,759
but it never occurred to me until I would rewatch

577
00:29:21,799 --> 00:29:24,039
the movie. I'm like, Oh, they're singing mocking Bird, the

578
00:29:24,079 --> 00:29:25,880
exact same thing that they do in Dumb and Dumber.

579
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Mock Yeah, yeah, bird, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, mocking Bird.

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Speaker 1: Don't everybody have you heard you? She's going on back.

582
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Speaker 3: Bird.

583
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Speaker 1: And if that mucking bird, don't.

584
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Speaker 4: Say, she's going about me.

585
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fun. Yeah. Okay, So are we ready to

586
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talk casting? Let's start casting. All right, let's go, let's

587
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:01,359
flop back to vacation. Okay.

588
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Speaker 2: So we talked about how out of the gate they

589
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hired Chevy Chase.

590
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Speaker 1: I gotta be crazy. I'm gonna pilgrimage and see him moves.

591
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Speaker 2: Praise Marty Moose, which was the coolest, funniest guy in

592
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America at that moment. Now he had taken a couple

593
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,799
of steps back, but he was still going strong from

594
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Saturday Night Live and Foul Play and once you got

595
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him on board, now you've got a movie. But here's

596
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:23,359
the guys that they were looking at. Now let's step

597
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into the alternate universe where you can imagine somebody else

598
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playing Clark w Griswold.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yes, Bill Murray. Well, of course Bill Murray and

600
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Chevy Chase were pretty interchangeable in the nineteen eighties. Well, yes,

601
00:30:34,359 --> 00:30:37,440
they were the rivals. Okay, Now, then here you go

602
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,920
Robert Klein as Clark Griswold, Robert Klin not Kevin Kleinert.

603
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Speaker 2: Robert Klein now Kevin Clin I could see, actually, yeah,

604
00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:47,720
Robert Klin now Richard Belzer.

605
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Speaker 1: Yeah, both of those guys were like comedians that I

606
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:51,440
never thought were funny.

607
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Speaker 2: No, no chance, and they're they're not suburban dads, so

608
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looky for them. They got Chevy Chase right out of

609
00:30:56,599 --> 00:30:59,599
the gate. Okay, Now, then they had to find the

610
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,319
right woman that matches up with Chevy Chase, right, somebody

611
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,799
has to take care of this madman. So here's who

612
00:31:05,839 --> 00:31:07,599
they wanted. Kim Control.

613
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Speaker 1: Okay, this is pre Mannequin but post Porky's right, So

614
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,640
she'd been hot. I mean, oh, she's beautiful, right, we've

615
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,920
been a great shower scene or jumping in the pool scene.

616
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No doubt.

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Speaker 2: She's pretty enough to drive the Ferrari I mean Kim

618
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,839
Drawl in nineteen eighty three for smoking, but for whatever reason,

619
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she didn't quite work out. They also considered Maureen McCormick.

620
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Does that ring a bell? It does ring a bell,

621
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but I don't remember Maureen McCormick. Yeah, here's the story

622
00:31:37,559 --> 00:31:38,799
of a lovely lady.

623
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Speaker 1: She's the Brady Bunch.

624
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:45,039
Speaker 2: She's Marcia Marsha, Marcia Marsha. She is Marcia really hot.

625
00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:48,799
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. Could you see here as Ellen Grizold? Maybe? Yeah?

626
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,640
To me, that was mind blowing. Marsha Brady as the mom. Yeah, okay,

627
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:53,640
you know I like it. Okay.

628
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: They wanted somebody sweet but sexy, right. I had to

629
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,720
be matronly, sort of motherly, but also had to be

630
00:31:59,839 --> 00:32:02,319
you know, hot, right. They wanted somebody hot and kind

631
00:32:02,319 --> 00:32:06,200
of spicy. Yeah, So they bring in Beverly D'Angelo. She

632
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,279
was thirty at the time, okay, and she didn't want

633
00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:11,000
anything to do with it. She's like, I don't want

634
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:11,799
to play the mom.

635
00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to play it. I want to play

636
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:13,480
the hot woman.

637
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 2: You know, but when she shows up, she said, she

638
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,039
and Chevy just kind of fell into this relationship.

639
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: Uh huh, okay, let's go. Come on, where's that She's

640
00:32:24,279 --> 00:32:24,720
in the car?

641
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 3: Good? Come on, kids, get your butts in the car.

642
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,279
Don't you want to look at the grand can here?

643
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:32,839
Speaker 4: Now.

644
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,559
Speaker 2: I don't think anything bubbled up out of that, but

645
00:32:35,599 --> 00:32:38,160
they they just kind of fell into it as husband

646
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:38,640
and wife.

647
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: And so because of that chemistry, that's why she was

648
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hired on Awesome. I thought that was cool. Now, then Anthony.

649
00:32:43,119 --> 00:32:46,319
Speaker 2: Michael Hall plays Rusty. This is where we find Anthony

650
00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:46,799
Michael Hall.

651
00:32:46,839 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 1: This is his break in. This is his first one.

652
00:32:49,599 --> 00:32:52,599
This is Anthony Michael Hall, icon of the eighties. His

653
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,559
first movie, DA this is not the car you ordered?

654
00:32:56,359 --> 00:32:58,759
Take it easy, russy ed, this is not the car

655
00:32:58,799 --> 00:32:59,319
I ordered.

656
00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:02,599
Speaker 2: Do you remember what movie he auditioned for right before this? No,

657
00:33:03,079 --> 00:33:07,799
The Outsiders? Oh okay, the auditioned for Johnny I believe.

658
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: Yeah. And this is where he gets introduced to Don Hughes.

659
00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 2: He goes on to sixteen Candles, Breakfast Club, Weird Science.

660
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,519
Speaker 1: He was supposed to be Ferris Bueler. He turned down

661
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,720
Ferris Bueller and he turned down another movie that Hughes

662
00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:24,240
was doing, and that kind of you know, it was

663
00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:27,359
upsetting and they kind of lost touch after that, which

664
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,920
is tragic. They talk about Molly Ringwaldby and John Hughes muse.

665
00:33:31,079 --> 00:33:33,279
I think that Anthony Michael Hall was also.

666
00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:34,720
Speaker 2: No doubt if you want to hear the story on

667
00:33:34,759 --> 00:33:37,359
that at a film buy. I did a podcast with

668
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,359
Jeff Johnson on Out of Bounds. Oh yeah, which was

669
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,440
like an action movie starring Anthony Michael Hall in nineteen

670
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,720
eighty six. Right, that was the movie he chose to

671
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do instead.

672
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: Of Ferris Bueler's Day Off. Gosh, there are bad choices, choice,

673
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,440
and then there are bad choices. Yea. So here's the deal.

674
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Speaker 2: You know, they went all over the country looking for

675
00:33:54,319 --> 00:33:57,160
Rusty and they just couldn't find anybody that they liked.

676
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,680
Harold Reimas said, they were like depressed. They're like, we

677
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:03,119
can't Rusty and everybody was so over the top, like

678
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,319
too much. Every kid was like on. And they went

679
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,920
in and Anthony Michael Hall played it kind of minimalist, shy,

680
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and he had braces.

681
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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't take off your braces.

682
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Speaker 2: When they hired him, they're like, great, you got the job. Kid,

683
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:19,880
don't don't take off your braces, which is great.

684
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Speaker 1: Can you imagine though, as a kid, if you had

685
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braces as a kid, as soon as you got them on,

686
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you were waiting for the day to take them off.

687
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And now you get cast in your first major movie

688
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,039
and they say, don't take your braces.

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Speaker 2: So next was Audrey the daughter. They brought in Dana Baron.

690
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They just want to see the chemistry with Anthony Michael Hall.

691
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She said she had older siblings, so she understood the

692
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stopped touching me and making peanut butter and faces.

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Speaker 1: Look his hand and touching exactly.

694
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Speaker 2: She and Anthony Michael Hall just fell in right away

695
00:34:48,559 --> 00:34:49,199
like siblings.

696
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was hired right away. Yeah, and you told

697
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,239
me that Anthony Michael Hall kind of had a crush

698
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:53,519
on her.

699
00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 2: Anthony Michael Hall did have a crush on Dana Baron.

700
00:34:56,559 --> 00:34:57,679
He said she was a little hottie.

701
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I heard that they were We talked about,

702
00:35:01,679 --> 00:35:04,719
you know, Beverly d Angelobi and the little sexy mom

703
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,760
and they're all getting ready to film the shower scene,

704
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,679
right and she comes in and you know, she's got

705
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,000
a robe on, and they're all getting ready and all

706
00:35:12,039 --> 00:35:14,599
of a sudden. Marty Simmons, who was there, is like, hey,

707
00:35:15,159 --> 00:35:18,239
what are you doing here? Anthony Bichael Hall had snuck

708
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,039
in to try to sneak peek of Beverly de d'An

709
00:35:21,039 --> 00:35:23,480
angelo do in the shower scene. Can you blame the kid?

710
00:35:23,679 --> 00:35:26,519
I cannot. Are you gonna bring up the story? So

711
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,360
you're finally here. Yeah, it was nineteen eighty three. I

712
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,599
was seven years old. I've told this story a million times,

713
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:33,159
but I'll tell it again. I was nineteen eighty three.

714
00:35:33,159 --> 00:35:34,880
I was seven years old, and my cousins and my

715
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,800
brother and I bought tickets to see the movie Snow White,

716
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:41,280
and we walked into the theater and theater hopped from

717
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:46,760
national lampoon vacation to risky business to trading places, and

718
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:53,480
so in one day, I saw Jamie Lee Curtis's boobs boobs,

719
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,400
And the first one, the one that changed my life,

720
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:57,960
the one that I went, oh my gosh, I didn't

721
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,880
know they could do this in movies, was really DiAngelo.

722
00:36:01,519 --> 00:36:04,480
That's wonderful. And in rewatching it, I was like that

723
00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:06,719
scene was over in a blink, but it is etched

724
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,559
into my memory as though it lasted four hours.

725
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 2: So here's the funny thing about that. It was a

726
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,119
close set. Of course, that's why they were trying to

727
00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:15,440
keep all the non essential.

728
00:36:15,079 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: People out under fourteen year old exactly right.

729
00:36:18,599 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 2: They're like, okay, Beverly, whenever you're ready, And Mattie Simmons

730
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,800
says that she took off her robe and like walked

731
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,559
across the room and was doing stuff, and he's like, Beverly,

732
00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:29,280
you don't have to take your robe off until you're

733
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,159
like ready to get in the water. I mean, you know,

734
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,960
She's like, please, I did four hundred shows of hair

735
00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:36,800
or I was naked every night.

736
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, She's like, this is nothing to me. Nice Bravo, bravo. Yeah, okay, lastly,

737
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:46,840
just a couple more people I want to bring up

738
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,559
real quick, huh imaging Coca plays aunt Edna. Glad you

739
00:36:49,559 --> 00:36:50,079
brought her up.

740
00:36:50,159 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 3: You enjoy throwing up every five minutes, Claude Clark, I thought, so, well,

741
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:57,719
am I gonna eat?

742
00:36:58,079 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: Or am I gonna.

743
00:36:58,679 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 4: Starve to death?

744
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: This movie is not this movie without ann Eda in it.

745
00:37:04,159 --> 00:37:07,559
She is a gem. She's awesome. Yeah. She was a

746
00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:11,599
comedian from the sixties. Yeah, she was on the Sid

747
00:37:11,679 --> 00:37:13,719
Caesar Show and stuff like that. She was in a Yeah,

748
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,039
Sid Caesar Show won many awards for her work in

749
00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:20,199
comedy TV shows. This was kind of a she hadn't

750
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,119
done something for a while and they brought her in

751
00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:25,880
on this. But before this, in the seventies, she was

752
00:37:26,079 --> 00:37:29,239
involved in a car wreck. She was afraid to travel. Yeah,

753
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,760
she was afraid to travel. And of course, well, in

754
00:37:32,159 --> 00:37:34,559
the real car wreck that she had in the seventies,

755
00:37:34,639 --> 00:37:36,719
she's in the passenger seat her husband's drive and they

756
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,159
run into this nineteen year old girl. Her husband and

757
00:37:39,159 --> 00:37:42,559
the girl aren't seriously injured, but the rear view mirror

758
00:37:42,599 --> 00:37:45,360
comes out and goes into her eye and they have

759
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,440
to do reconstructive surgery. She has a glass eye. She

760
00:37:48,559 --> 00:37:51,039
was blind out of that eye for the rest of

761
00:37:51,079 --> 00:37:53,800
her life. And of course, in this movie they have

762
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,960
the gigantic car I mean, they have several car incidents,

763
00:37:57,159 --> 00:37:59,360
but they have the gigantic car wreck where she's in

764
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,719
it and you'll remember her hat is pulled down over

765
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,000
her face at the end of it. She was terrified

766
00:38:04,039 --> 00:38:07,039
to do this scene because of that accident she had

767
00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:09,440
had less than ten years old. That's unbelievable.

768
00:38:09,559 --> 00:38:11,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the funny part is they were like

769
00:38:11,079 --> 00:38:13,119
they're not actually going to go on the road, because

770
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:14,280
they'll just do it on the studio.

771
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 1: That's how they do road movies. Nope, they went on

772
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,239
the road. Yeah, she was awesome. Jes, that must have

773
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:21,519
been like sixty yards.

774
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:26,119
Speaker 2: Sixty I bet when when she when her husband crashed

775
00:38:26,159 --> 00:38:29,280
that car. I wonder if she said he he shouldn't

776
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:30,159
even have a license.

777
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,079
Speaker 1: Here's something that I thought was interesting that I hoped

778
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:36,239
to blow your mind with. Okay, she was in an

779
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:40,480
episode of Moonlighting. Really yes, Now I'm gonna say this,

780
00:38:40,559 --> 00:38:43,599
and you're gonna be like, of course, right. She played

781
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:48,400
Agnes's mother. Oh yeah right, I mean yeah, they could

782
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,760
be mother And I had to look at them like

783
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,039
are they really mother and daughter because they look so

784
00:38:52,199 --> 00:38:55,599
much alike. But you will remember the episode, Agnes's mother

785
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,320
is coming across the border and like some drug dealer's

786
00:38:58,519 --> 00:39:00,960
plant drugs so that they come across the border with

787
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,559
her and she gets in trouble and it's one of

788
00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:07,320
those ones that Ruce Willis and Sybil Shepherd were both gone,

789
00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:10,639
and so it's Agnes and the guy booger whatever his

790
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,480
name is, Curtis Armstrong. Yes, they have to they have

791
00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:15,760
to solve the mystery in this particular episode. She got

792
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,000
nominated for an Emmy for that. Wow.

793
00:39:18,199 --> 00:39:20,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I know we're veering off the track here

794
00:39:20,599 --> 00:39:22,440
just a little bit. But did you know that Harold

795
00:39:22,519 --> 00:39:25,199
Ramis thought she had a stroke while filming this movie?

796
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 3: No?

797
00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 1: Did you know? You haven't heard this story? No? No, okay,

798
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:28,920
so listen to this.

799
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 2: So they're filming one morning and she's in the backseat

800
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,559
and it's some scene with with image and Coka. Right,

801
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,199
So they've been working on this scene all morning, right,

802
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,639
They go to break for lunch, and when they come back,

803
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,920
Harold Ramis is like, all right, imaging whenever you're ready,

804
00:39:42,039 --> 00:39:44,199
and she's like, okay, what are we what are we doing?

805
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,400
He's like, well, we're gonna We're gonna keep doing that

806
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:47,039
scene we were.

807
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 1: Working on right before lunch. She's like, what was that again?

808
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,519
Speaker 2: He's like, well, the scene, the one that you know

809
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:56,000
we've were working on all morning. And she's like, well,

810
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,559
which one? And he kind of describes it to her.

811
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,079
She had no memory of it, like gone, like whoosh gone,

812
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:04,039
She didn't know her liiance, she didn't recall that morning nothing.

813
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: Uh huh.

814
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 2: So they called the paramatics. They're like this woman had

815
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,039
a stroke. They thought we're gonna have shut down production.

816
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,760
They were very, very worried about her, and so she

817
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,920
gets checked out. Paramac says, well, she's okay. She and

818
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:20,840
her husband spent all that next night relearning her lines. Wow, yeah,

819
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,760
that's really weird. Yeah, she was really frailed during the

820
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:24,320
filming of this.

821
00:40:24,559 --> 00:40:27,119
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting that you say that because I read something.

822
00:40:27,159 --> 00:40:29,119
I cannot remember at this point what the movie was,

823
00:40:29,199 --> 00:40:32,920
but basically she it was a movie or a TV episode,

824
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,280
but they had to be out in like the fifteen

825
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,119
degree weather. She sat on a sidewalk, like as she

826
00:40:39,159 --> 00:40:41,639
was playing a homeless person seventy five years old, sat

827
00:40:41,679 --> 00:40:45,599
on the sidewalk in the snow for hours and hours,

828
00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:47,639
and like all of the twenty somethings were like cuddled

829
00:40:47,639 --> 00:40:49,840
by the heater and graplaining about the colt and she

830
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,239
never complained once. They said she was the consummate professional,

831
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,559
you know, just tough and could bear through anything. Well,

832
00:40:56,559 --> 00:40:57,159
that's interesting.

833
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 2: So the woman who played cousin Catherine, Yeah, her name

834
00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:03,360
is Miriam Lynn Flint. She was in the house the

835
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,199
you know, cousin Eddie's house and Ima Jean's Like I

836
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:07,920
just don't know if I can do this. I'm just

837
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,159
not very strong and I'm not feeling it. And she

838
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,199
was kind of whining, and Mary was like, man, I

839
00:41:12,199 --> 00:41:15,039
don't know if she could do this. And then they're like, okay, Emagen,

840
00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:17,719
whenever you're ready, and she's cracked that door open and

841
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,719
was like popping out with her little walker.

842
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 1: Am I gonna eat? Or am I gonna starve to death?

843
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,039
And she said she just nailed it.

844
00:41:24,079 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 2: So she was just kind of a little bit frail,

845
00:41:26,519 --> 00:41:27,639
but she nailed it anyway.

846
00:41:27,639 --> 00:41:29,639
Speaker 1: Do you think it's funny that both of us just

847
00:41:29,679 --> 00:41:31,320
got fascinated with i'ma gene Coco?

848
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 3: Yeah?

849
00:41:32,559 --> 00:41:34,320
Speaker 1: I think it's great. Other folks that you got from

850
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,119
vacation that you want to talk about. Yeah. So Randy

851
00:41:36,199 --> 00:41:41,239
Quaid plays cousin Edti his defining role. I don't know

852
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,239
why they call this stuff Hamburger Helper. It just fine

853
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,639
by itself, huh. I like it better in tune to

854
00:41:47,639 --> 00:41:50,599
help her myself, don't you, Clark? You're the door man

855
00:41:50,639 --> 00:41:51,039
around here.

856
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 2: Ed He nails it right right. They could not have

857
00:41:54,519 --> 00:41:56,679
done better with either of these if you.

858
00:41:56,639 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: Said Randy Quaid and somebody was like, I don't know,

859
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,519
and you're like, cousin EDDI like, oh right, right, that's

860
00:42:01,559 --> 00:42:02,719
it's the finding role.

861
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,079
Speaker 2: They wanted Robin Williams to play cousin Eddie. That would

862
00:42:07,119 --> 00:42:08,559
have been too much, too.

863
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 1: Much, Yeah, Randy Quaid is just enough. Yeah, Robin Williams

864
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:16,320
too much. Yeah. And they have the kids there at

865
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,079
the shock that they live in. Yes, you know, and

866
00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:22,000
you've got the boy cousin Dale doesn't have the video games,

867
00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:24,519
don't have asteroids, doesn't have a Space Invader. My dad

868
00:42:24,519 --> 00:42:28,280
had asteroids some days. Caves in the toilets, so you

869
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:28,880
got pack.

870
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 3: No you got space Vaders.

871
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 2: Nope, you got asteroids.

872
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 4: No, my dad does.

873
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,079
Speaker 2: Came was so toilet some days.

874
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 1: And then there's the sister cousin, Vicky. Cousin Vicky is

875
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:52,599
Jane Krakowski exactly. I'm going steady and I French kiss.

876
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 3: So everybody does that, yeah, but Daddy says I'm the

877
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:57,679
best at it.

878
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: So in the nineties when I started watching Ali McBeal,

879
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,360
I'm like, ah, that's the cousin from Vacation and now

880
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,920
she I mean, she was a huge Broadway star. She's

881
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,400
been in a ton of stuff, thirty Rock, Yeah, she's

882
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,679
all over the place. This is where she got her start.

883
00:43:11,079 --> 00:43:13,559
Speaker 2: Of course, you have John Candy as Russ Laski, the

884
00:43:13,599 --> 00:43:16,119
security guard at wally World. They brought him in the

885
00:43:16,199 --> 00:43:19,119
last second, and I would make an argument that he

886
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,480
may be John Hughes's most valuable player ever ever, Right,

887
00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:25,679
I mean he's up there with with Molly Ringwold and

888
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:30,320
Anstrains and automobiles, Uncle Buck, home alone, great Outdoors, he

889
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:31,599
plays Gus and home alone.

890
00:43:31,639 --> 00:43:32,159
Speaker 1: That's right.

891
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 2: Whenever you need something to perk up the funny, you bring.

892
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,639
Speaker 1: In John Candy. Yeah, okay, one more person, two more people.

893
00:43:38,679 --> 00:43:39,360
I want to talk about.

894
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,159
Speaker 2: Christy Brinkley may have been the most beautiful woman on

895
00:43:42,199 --> 00:43:43,199
the planet.

896
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,559
Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty two when they felt this. She was

897
00:43:45,639 --> 00:43:47,280
not an actor. I'm not a dancer.

898
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,679
Speaker 2: We know she's done a dancer. Flashy back to our

899
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:50,800
Billy Joel episode.

900
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,599
Speaker 1: So when did they get married and Billy Joel and

901
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:54,679
Christophrinkley get money?

902
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,079
Speaker 2: Gosh, well that dropped in eighty three, so ride around

903
00:43:58,159 --> 00:44:01,199
this time. Yeah, okay, if you want to hear the

904
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,400
story about how Billy Joel almost had Elman Pearson and

905
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:09,440
Christy Brinkley in bed in the same day, and go

906
00:44:09,599 --> 00:44:13,079
listen to our Billy Joel Innocent Man episode Not So Innocent.

907
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,800
That's right, Okay, we can talk about how great Dinky the.

908
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: Dog was Dinkham's okay on that subject. Yes, the cop

909
00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:26,519
James Keach, Yeah, James Keach, brother of Stacy Keach. Yes.

910
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,760
Do you know what the penalty is for animal cruelty

911
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,440
in this town? I'm sure it's pretty stuff. It's probably

912
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:37,280
pretty steff he I had no idea. Not only is

913
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,519
the brother of Stacy Keach, he married and is still

914
00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:43,639
married to Jane Seymour. What doctor Quinn medicine one? What

915
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:44,800
are you solitaire?

916
00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:48,159
Speaker 2: What are you talking about that?

917
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:50,159
Speaker 3: Yeah?

918
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:51,679
Speaker 1: Ravo, guy, ravo.

919
00:44:52,679 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 2: I watched the behind the scenes on this movie. Chevy

920
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,400
Chase said he delivered the line better than any line

921
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,519
he's ever heard in any of his movies. James Keach,

922
00:45:03,079 --> 00:45:03,960
do you know what the line is?

923
00:45:05,039 --> 00:45:05,079
Speaker 3: No?

924
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:12,639
Speaker 1: Explain this, you son of a bit. That's great if

925
00:45:12,679 --> 00:45:13,519
you watch that scene.

926
00:45:13,519 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 2: So we're talking about the scene where he gets pulled

927
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,639
over in Colorado and the cop is super mad at him.

928
00:45:18,679 --> 00:45:21,079
Get out of the car, sir, and he's like what

929
00:45:21,079 --> 00:45:24,639
what weaving or something? He's like, no, explain this, right,

930
00:45:24,679 --> 00:45:26,599
and he picks up the dog leash and you realize,

931
00:45:26,599 --> 00:45:29,599
oh my gosh, he just killed Dicky right right that scene.

932
00:45:29,599 --> 00:45:31,519
If you go back and watch it, James Keach and

933
00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:35,519
Chevy Chase were laughing so hard that there were actually crying.

934
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,719
Those are tears of joy, and they had to keep

935
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,000
redoing it and redoing it, redoing it because the other

936
00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:42,840
one crack up.

937
00:45:43,519 --> 00:45:47,199
Speaker 1: You will watch chevy Chase. You think he's just trying

938
00:45:47,199 --> 00:45:51,000
to like, you think he's happy because the horrible, horrible

939
00:45:51,039 --> 00:45:53,599
dog has been murdered. As it turns out, he's just

940
00:45:53,679 --> 00:45:56,719
cracking up at the delivery of these lines. That's fantastic, he.

941
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,679
Speaker 2: Said, For like ten minutes all they did that one

942
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,519
would go they went good.

943
00:46:06,559 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 1: That's fantastic. That's fantastic.

944
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,920
Speaker 2: And then one more character I have to bring up.

945
00:46:11,039 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's truly a character in this movie. I know

946
00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:17,039
where you're going. I think I know where you're going.

947
00:46:17,079 --> 00:46:19,599
Go ahead and go. It's the Family Truckster. I'm glad

948
00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:22,239
you went there. Okay, are you ready for this? Yeah?

949
00:46:22,639 --> 00:46:24,719
Do you do? You have more on the Family Truckster? Well,

950
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:27,800
other than it being metallic p instead of antarctic blue.

951
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:31,840
Let me talk to you about tell me Okay, I've

952
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:36,199
got a story on the family truckster. Yeah, that I

953
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,280
will save until our next episode. But I'm telling you fans,

954
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:41,000
you want to come back for this one. All right,

955
00:46:41,039 --> 00:46:44,119
come back for the family trut story. But you think

956
00:46:44,119 --> 00:46:48,320
you hate it, now wait until you drive it. But

957
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,000
before we end today's episode, we need to talk about

958
00:46:51,039 --> 00:46:54,239
casting for The Great Outdoors. Yes, as I mentioned, we

959
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,719
have two of Canada's best gifts to us. No, not

960
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,880
Michael J. Fox, but Dan Ackroid and John Candy. Then

961
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,000
we have the wives, which I think are critical to

962
00:47:05,039 --> 00:47:08,280
this movie. Oh yeah right, oh yeah. So the first

963
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:11,000
one that you have is one that everybody knows. It's

964
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,840
a net Binning. What you may not know is this

965
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:17,960
is her very first movie. Yes, I'm a net Binning

966
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:22,199
married to Warren Baty, a net Binning, the major. Yeah,

967
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:23,840
all of that. My mind was blown. I was like,

968
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,679
this movie was her first movie, and she does a

969
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:31,480
fantastic job. Okay, are you really what?

970
00:47:32,119 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 4: No?

971
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 2: No, no, she does a fantastic job. Okay, she's not very

972
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:36,880
likable in this movie.

973
00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:39,280
Speaker 1: Because you're not supposed to be like exactly Okay, all right, yeah, okay,

974
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:39,760
there you go.

975
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's talk about it. So Roman Craig is

976
00:47:43,079 --> 00:47:47,079
played by dan Ackroyd. He is the supposed investment broker,

977
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:53,960
the rich jerk uninvited brother in law John Candy. Yeah,

978
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:57,559
this is the third movie that dan Ackroyd has done

979
00:47:57,559 --> 00:47:58,239
with John Candy.

980
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,159
Speaker 1: Can you name the other two? You've got Blues Brothers, Yes,

981
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,599
which is great because they have a song, an Elkwood

982
00:48:04,599 --> 00:48:07,599
blues song that comes up in this movie. Yes, and

983
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:15,119
then after is it after Blues Brothers? Before Before Blues Brothers.

984
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 2: Directed by Robert Zamechas nineteen forty one, nineteen forty one.

985
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: Nineteen forty one. Wowka.

986
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 2: Not a big part by either of them, but they

987
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,519
share the screen. And if you'll remember, John Candy was

988
00:48:26,559 --> 00:48:29,199
supposed to be in Ghostbusters. He's supposed to play the

989
00:48:29,199 --> 00:48:30,360
part of Lewis.

990
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: Oh right, but he didn't really he didn't understand it.

991
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:35,400
He said, call my buddy Rick.

992
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 2: Yes, that took over by Rick moranis. So it could

993
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:39,280
have been a fourth movie.

994
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,039
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, and they would go on to do your

995
00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:43,840
favorite movie, Nothing but Trouble.

996
00:48:44,679 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I totally forgot about that.

997
00:48:48,519 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it is the old codger.

998
00:48:51,559 --> 00:48:54,559
Speaker 2: Judge it may be the worst movie of the nineties.

999
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,119
Speaker 1: We have to have to go back and check that out.

1000
00:48:57,199 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So do you know who they were wanted

1001
00:49:00,639 --> 00:49:01,360
to play Roman?

1002
00:49:01,559 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 1: Tell me Chevy Chase? Well, sure, you know, yeah, Chevy

1003
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:11,519
Chase and Bill Murray. Oh, both for Roman.

1004
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:14,199
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I see they wanted John Candy as the

1005
00:49:14,199 --> 00:49:15,079
family guy.

1006
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,599
Speaker 1: They were set on Candy already, but the Roman was

1007
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:20,920
a question mark. Yes, okay, all right, yeah, no, I yeah,

1008
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,360
I think dan Aykroyd is the right fit. I just

1009
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:23,639
I do.

1010
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,800
Speaker 2: Dan Ackroyd has a style and a character that he

1011
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:27,320
really does.

1012
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's it. Yeah right, Bill Murray, he's too likable.

1013
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 2: Even when he tries to play a turd like in Scrooged,

1014
00:49:35,199 --> 00:49:39,400
he comes off as sympathetic, likable. So okay, John Candy,

1015
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,039
as we talked about, he is John Hughes's MVP when

1016
00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:44,719
you know, when we need funny, right, he's his.

1017
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: Go to guy. By the way, we didn't talk about this,

1018
00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:49,800
but let's touch on this real quick. John Hughes didn't

1019
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,199
direct The Great Outdoors even though he was like, I'm

1020
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,320
I'm going to redo vacation and do it the way

1021
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,639
that I wanted to he didn't direct The Great Outdoors.

1022
00:49:57,679 --> 00:50:00,599
Do you know why? No, because the there was another

1023
00:50:00,599 --> 00:50:02,719
movie with John Candy going on at the same time

1024
00:50:03,519 --> 00:50:07,480
called Planes, Trains and Automobiles that he said, Oh, I

1025
00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:09,559
really want to work with Steve Martin, and so he

1026
00:50:09,639 --> 00:50:13,400
directed John Candy in Planes, Trains and Automobiles while The

1027
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:17,360
Great Outdoors was being filmed by Howard Deutsch. Right now,

1028
00:50:17,519 --> 00:50:19,599
there's another movie that John Hughes was doing at that

1029
00:50:19,639 --> 00:50:22,440
same time as well, called She's Having a Baby. You'll

1030
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,639
remember at the beginning of Planes, Trains and Automobiles, there's

1031
00:50:24,679 --> 00:50:27,119
this school cameo by Kevin Bacon because both of these

1032
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:30,360
movies are happening at the same time. Well, She's having

1033
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,960
a baby. The end of the movie, the kind of

1034
00:50:33,039 --> 00:50:35,639
what happens is they're trying to think of a name

1035
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,920
for the baby. And then the rolling credits they have

1036
00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:42,760
all of these cameo appearances by these various stars. One

1037
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,880
of them is Bill Murray, who is obviously shooting Scrooged

1038
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:48,880
at this time, yes, and then you also have dan

1039
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:53,079
Aykroyd and John Candy, who are obviously filming The Great Outdoors.

1040
00:50:53,079 --> 00:50:56,000
You can see the wood paneling behind Ah that's awesome.

1041
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,559
Speaker 2: By the way, you know why Chevy Chase did not

1042
00:50:58,639 --> 00:51:02,000
take The Great Outdoors. Tell me he was shooting Funny Farm,

1043
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:05,880
which is about a city guy who goes to the

1044
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,079
Great outdoors and comes into all these misadventures.

1045
00:51:09,159 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: Man, that was a bad movie. I do not like

1046
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,280
Funny Farm, are you? I'm easy? I am not crazy.

1047
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,880
But again, I didn't see it until I was an adult.

1048
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,039
We talked about this with twins. If you don't see

1049
00:51:19,079 --> 00:51:22,159
the eighties movies, either when you were a kid or

1050
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,639
when you were a kid in the eighties, sure it

1051
00:51:24,639 --> 00:51:26,679
makes a difference, no doubt about, huge difference. By the way,

1052
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,280
Funny Farm better than Great Outdoors. Shut your mouth, I'm serious.

1053
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,239
Oh my gosh. Okay, you tip in your hand a

1054
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:37,440
little bit. Let's talk about Lucy Deacons for just a second. Okay,

1055
00:51:37,639 --> 00:51:41,920
Lucy Deacons. I married a girl who looks like Lucy Deacons. Okay, yeah,

1056
00:51:42,119 --> 00:51:44,599
I agree, Yeah, I guess. So, yeah, she got it

1057
00:51:44,599 --> 00:51:46,559
a lot. Espe about that kid, but yeah, she got

1058
00:51:46,599 --> 00:51:51,760
it a lot. Curly or brown Hammy and Casey yeah okay, yeah.

1059
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,360
And she was also in The Boy who Could Fly. Okay,

1060
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:57,719
that was kind of those These were her two big

1061
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,719
movies of the day, but she did not stay in

1062
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,159
act right. She decided to go ahead and go to

1063
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:06,800
law school. She graduated a few years after I did

1064
00:52:07,159 --> 00:52:10,719
and is now a partner at a firm that has

1065
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,519
her name in it. Something that beacons in something. Yes,

1066
00:52:13,639 --> 00:52:16,960
you can literally look it up and see her as

1067
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,119
one of the of council attorneys for this law firm.

1068
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 4: It's nuts.

1069
00:52:21,039 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 1: It's in Denver, it's in Colorado. Yeah, same place where

1070
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:28,320
Dinky was killed on the road. She went back to

1071
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:32,400
help pick up the carcass. Yeah, okay. And then for

1072
00:52:32,599 --> 00:52:39,239
the brother you have, mister Christopher Young. Yeah, now Christopher Young.

1073
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,679
His first role is also in the early eighties, in

1074
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:47,039
a TV series we all know called Max Headroum. Okay,

1075
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:48,559
do you know what his character's name is?

1076
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 2: Chris No, Max Bryce Lynch, stop it.

1077
00:52:56,159 --> 00:53:00,079
Speaker 1: That is why. In the book Ready Player one and

1078
00:53:00,199 --> 00:53:05,679
he decides to sneak into the IOI Credit Bureau and

1079
00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:12,000
pretend he's somebody else. His pseudonym is Rice Lynch.

1080
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:17,000
Speaker 2: My mind is not only blown but destroyed. That was

1081
00:53:17,079 --> 00:53:20,039
amazing for being a big greater player one fan, man,

1082
00:53:20,519 --> 00:53:21,360
that's a big bomb.

1083
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: You're welcome. Good job thank you.

1084
00:53:23,559 --> 00:53:23,679
Speaker 4: So.

1085
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: Also, since then he has done some directing and producing.

1086
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:34,880
He has produced no less than twelve Kelly Clarkson videos. Okay,

1087
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:37,639
I Hey, everybody's gotta have something that you're good at.

1088
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:39,320
Might as well be Kelly Clarkson.

1089
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 2: It's fantastic because right next to his name in my

1090
00:53:41,559 --> 00:53:44,039
notes I say he has done nothing.

1091
00:53:46,639 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: Okay. So we talked about Anette Binning. By the way,

1092
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,679
I said, this was her film debut. She was acting.

1093
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,280
She had gotten to Tony in nineteen eighty seven. Right

1094
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,599
before this, she had been on Broadway. She played Lady

1095
00:53:57,639 --> 00:54:02,440
Macbeth with a lot of acclaim at the American Conservatory Theater.

1096
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,880
But we haven't talked about the other very important wife.

1097
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,719
Speaker 2: Her name is Stephanie Pharisee.

1098
00:54:10,119 --> 00:54:13,519
Speaker 1: Stephanie Pharisee. Her debut was on a show called Laverne

1099
00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:13,960
and Shirley.

1100
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, which we talked about in our Best TV Themes

1101
00:54:17,599 --> 00:54:18,960
of the seventies.

1102
00:54:18,559 --> 00:54:21,679
Speaker 1: And connection to Anette Beinning. She was also in Heaven

1103
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:25,840
Can Wait? Is that right? Yeah? How about that? Starred

1104
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:28,159
with Warren Batty, starred with a Net Benning. Maybe she

1105
00:54:28,199 --> 00:54:31,480
introduced him, who knows that's true? She I love her

1106
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:32,159
in this movie.

1107
00:54:32,199 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 2: She may be the best, most likable character in this

1108
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:35,320
entire movie.

1109
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, she keeps it all together. She is

1110
00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:40,079
the Ellen of the Great Outdoors.

1111
00:54:39,639 --> 00:54:41,639
Speaker 2: And literally she's the one with the least amount of

1112
00:54:41,679 --> 00:54:42,199
star power.

1113
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:46,599
Speaker 1: She's my favorite character. Yeah. She was in Fraser. Oh, okay,

1114
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:48,960
she is one of the girls that was always hitting

1115
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,880
on Niles. She's also in Blind Date, another one of

1116
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:55,239
your favorites. Really, oh man, awesome?

1117
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 2: You know who else was in Fraser? Mister Robert Prosky,

1118
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:02,119
the guy who plays Wally, the owner of the resort, right, the.

1119
00:55:02,119 --> 00:55:05,079
Speaker 1: Guy who plugs the shotgun in the guy who tells

1120
00:55:05,119 --> 00:55:06,559
him that they're kissing a dead person.

1121
00:55:09,559 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 2: So he was in Frasier. He was in Missus Doubtfire.

1122
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,159
He played Rebecca's dad on Cheers.

1123
00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: He's been in He's been in some stuff. Yeah.

1124
00:55:18,039 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 2: And then, of course Hillary Gordon and Rebecca Gordon are

1125
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:24,519
the twins romanicdes twin daughters. They're totally weird this entire movie.

1126
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,039
They played Harrison Ford's twins in the movie The Mosquito Coast.

1127
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,559
That's all I got on casting for The Great Outdoors.

1128
00:55:30,679 --> 00:55:33,599
Speaker 1: Okay, guys, that does it for episode one. Come back

1129
00:55:33,639 --> 00:55:36,519
for episode two. Well, where I will share my story

1130
00:55:36,679 --> 00:55:41,119
about the wagon Queen Family truckster, and we will talk

1131
00:55:41,159 --> 00:55:45,280
about music, we will talk about reception, and we will

1132
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,599
talk about our final judgment on which of these two

1133
00:55:47,639 --> 00:55:58,400
movies as the best. Yes,