Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Shirley You Can't
Be Serious Podcast. I am d Graves. I am here
with my co host Jason Colvin, and it is no
longer a podcast. It is a quest. It is a
quest for fun. I'm gonna have fun. Jason's gonna have fun.
You all are gonna have so much freaking fun that
you're gonna need plastic surgery to remove the smiles off
your freaking faces. We're gonna be whistling zippity DooDah out
of our assholes. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. We are
here to discuss two iconic movies from the eighties, National
Lampoon's Vacation and The Great.
Speaker 2: Outdoors the These are both John movies, but neither one
of them is directed by John Hughes.
Speaker 1: We have been doing an eighties podcast for four years.
Once we're done with our episode, this will be the
fourth movie by John Hughes that we have covered, and
we have not yet covered one that he has directed.
That is insane. That is, we haven't done Breakfast Club,
we haven't done Ferris Bueller's Day Off. We haven't done
Sixteen Candles, we haven't done Curly did you just say
curly Sue? Oh my gosh, ladies and gentlemen, let me
tell you a story about a geek in high school
who married the high school cheerleader. And his name is
John Hughes. Oh great, I'm at your feet. Let's let's go.
I will go into his history in just a bit. First,
let me say this, This is just a side story, right.
The Great Outdoors is directed by Howard Deutsch, right, and
he's kind of one of John hughes go to guys
when John Hughes can't direct the movies. Is the go
to guy when John Hughes can't direct it. Exactly the
way he puts it is I am Saliary to the
John Hughes Amadaeus. That's good. And so he's telling this
story about when they're in the midst of shooting some
kind of wonderful and they realize that they need rewrite
on a scene that they've got for the next day,
two page rewrite, and he ends up falling asleep on
John hughes couch. He wakes up and John Hughes hands
him fifty pages of stuff and he's like, this was
a two page rewrite? What is this? And He's like, well, yeah,
I didn't do that. I did this instead, hands him
these fifty pages and it's the first fifty pages to
Ferris Bueler's DA. That's incredible. The guy was, as Kevin
Smith puts it, the Shakespeare of the eighties, Like he
could sit down at a typewriter and put fourth Genius
in no time. Like there were no hard, long, laborist
writing sessions with him. He would put himself in a
room for the weekend, and at the end of the
weekend he would come out with a movie. Yeah, just
go in knock it out. Oh, by the way, here's
weird science. I did this in three days or two days. Yeah. Now, guys,
I'm going to digress significantly at this point. I just
got to I got to talk about this for a second. Okay,
So this past week I saw the movie The Flash,
and I was very excited. I even remember watching the
movie and thinking to myself, these guys have got it.
Jason has said when we talked about top Gun Maverick,
we said he figured out the formula. Right, You throw
back to certain spots and then you give us something new.
And I'm watching The Flash and I'm thinking to myself.
They've got the formula right. They threw back to the
right things, and I'm not gonna spoil it unless you
haven't seen the preview. If you haven't seen the preview,
skip the next fifteen seconds. But Batman eighty nine is
a big part of this movie, and I felt like
they absolutely nailed a new movie by throwing back to
an old movie. Jason gives it a C plus. So
I ask you all, just, once you've seen the movie,
send us an email, hit us up on Twitter, hit
us up on Facebook, and tell us which one of
us is right. I'm giving this movie a solid A.
Jason gives it a C plus. I will say this.
You know how much I hate CGI. The CGI is
a distraction, but I just knew that going in and
I put it aside and I said, I'm not gonna
worry about the CGI and the bad CGI that DC
always does. I'm just going to enjoy the story. And
I felt like it was a great story. Yeah you did.
I not so much. Well, I liked it.
Speaker 2: I do think there was some missed opportunity there. I
think it could have been better. I do think it
was Barry Allen character was annoying, and then you had
him on screen two times for the entire you know,
and I and I've come to grips with myself. I
think what I really wanted was Batman eighty nine Part three, right, and.
Speaker 1: So man, and that's not what a epic exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: So I was a bit disappointed, but I did enjoy
it and I thought it finished strong.
Speaker 1: So hey, guys, just you know, full disclosure. We have
another podcast that's called the Podcast Full of Kryptonite where
we co host with our friend from the thirty something
movie podcast, John Reid. John read it feels the same
way that Jason does. I am in the minority on
this situation. Please coming back me up and say the
Flash is a good movie. Okay, guys, This episode is
brought to you by our new executive producer, mister Tim Epp.
Tim signed up on our Patreon page. Thank you, Tim,
We truly appreciate you. As with all of our Patreon members,
we usually ask, hey, what do you you know? What
do you want us to talk about? And he suggested Rush.
He thinks that Rush is the band to compare to
somebody else. He suggested maybe some other Canadian bands like
lover Boy or Brian Adams. I'm all good with that.
I mean, Rush is heavy and ready player one and
that's good good enough for me. Hey, listen, he is
our third Canadian patron. Hey, what's going on man? I mean,
what is going on in Canada? Man?
Speaker 2: We've established a little bit of popularity up there.
Speaker 1: Let's go America and hey guys, we're bringing you today
the Great Outdoors with mister Dan Aykroyd and mister John
Candy too. Two monumental gifts from Canada to the US.
No doubt, no doubt. That's awesome.
Speaker 2: All right, So I want to shout out our buddy.
Speaker 1: Chris Webber, Chris much further South.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, Chris sent us a record of the Smithereens.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Chris has sent.
Speaker 2: Us some great records that we really need to do
some sort of track by track of what he sent us.
Chris is a great friend of ours and just a
really great support of the show.
Speaker 1: Chris, We truly appreciate you, man. Okay, Dan, I've got
a special shout out for you. You ready for this one?
Speaker 2: This is a shout out from a guy who follows
us on Twitter. His name is Lee Matthews. Okay, Okay,
now get this. This tweet happened on June twentieth at
nine to eleven.
Speaker 3: AM.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, this is what he said.
Speaker 2: I'm listening to you guys right now driving over here
in the UK. Love your guys work. Thank you very much.
Oh how about a versus of Eastwood every which way
but loose versus any which way you can?
Speaker 1: Just a thought? But that was the day that we
released it, right, So I hit him right back. I'm like,
you mean like this, bam. So he suggested a matchup
that we had literally released dropped it that morning. Oh
my gosh, that's hil How about that. That's fantasmic. I no, well,
there you go. Your wish is our command. We're here
to serve. Thanks Lee, Appreciate you, buddy.
Speaker 2: And then finally, I want to give a quick shout
out to our good friend Jeff Johnson.
Speaker 1: He sent me a couple of DVDs. It just really
made my day.
Speaker 2: So he sent me the director's copy of The Outsiders,
which we talked about ye. And then he also sent
me a DVD of Wisdom Early Emiliostavez Demi Moore movie
that he and I had been talking about. We may
cover in nineteen eighty six. So Jeff, thank you very much.
We appreciate you, boy.
Speaker 1: And now back to John Hughes. Okay, so John Hughes,
he actually moved around a bunch. He wasn't only raised
in Chicago. I think he said in seventh grade he
had gotten his life finally figured out was popular with people.
And then they moved to Chicago, and I think he
was a nerd for pretty much all of his high
school career. But he did, in nineteen seventy end up
marrying one of the cheerleaders and they stayed married until
his death in two thousand and nine. So he gets
married to her in nineteen seventy the cheerlead, yes, and
then he promptly drops out of the University of Arizona. Okay.
He starts writing jokes for Rodney Dangerfield and Joan Rivers,
just sending them, just twenty year old guy, just sending
jokes to these two comedians. And then he gets a
job as a copywriter at an advertising agency, works at
Needham Harper and Steers, went to another advertising company called
Leo Burnett Worldwide and seventy four and he's the guy
I sent you this ad earlier. He's the guy that
comes up with the Edge credit card shaving test. If
you guys can remember it, like, they shave the guy's
face with you know, edge gel on one side and
regular shaving cream on the other side, and they rub
a credit card on his face and it's scratchy on
the shaving cream side and smooth on the edge jail side.
That is mister John Hughes's first worldwide success is a shaving.
Speaker 3: Jail commercial with an ordinary credit card. We're going to
prove that Edge let's you shave closer than the leading film.
First listen to an unshaven face. Now we'll shave the
left side with poone. The right with Edge Edge lubricates
is at ladder, so we can press harder to shave
closer than phone. Now listen to the phone side, Then
listen to the edge side. Phone Edge Edge lets you
shave closer than the leading phone.
Speaker 1: So he is working for this advertising company and one
of their clients is Virginia Slims. So he ends up
going over to the Philip Morris headquarters, which happens to
be in the same building as a little known magazine
called National Lampoon. Oh, this is good. Okay, so no
idea about this. Yeah, so he realizes, Hey, I don't
have to sell my jokes for a dollar apiece to
these comedians. I can sell funny stories to this magazine.
And PJ O'Rourke, who is kind of the main guy
over at National Lampoon at the time, said he would
write things so fast that we almost couldn't keep up
with him. So some of his submissions were things called
April Fool's Day and and my Penis and my vagina. Okay,
all in these kind of kid perspective storylines, right sure.
And one of them was called Vacation fifty eight from
the point of view of a little kid who goes
on a vacation road trip with his family.
Speaker 2: That is what leads us into this movie, the National
Lampoon Vacation Movie. And from that story Vacation fifty eight,
we also get parts of Christmas Vacation yep, that we've
already talked about.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, there are all kinds of things that spill
over into the other vacation movies I mentioned earlier. We've
covered a few John Hughes, we covered Christmas Vacation, and
we covered Home Alone again, different directors on those but
in Rewatching Vacation, it's so much like you can tell
that Christmas Vacation is like, let's pick up some of
these best parts. You got the Swat team at the end,
You've got the loss of control by Clark when everything
is finally hit its peak and he loses it and
cusses everybody out.
Speaker 2: And when he kidnaps his boss the end of Christmas Vacation. Yeah,
they actually do a great job. It's funny and it's lighthearted,
and the whole family's there and it's a Christmas thing.
That was the deleted ending for the original Vacation movie, right,
like they took it to theaters. They film that where
he kidnapped his boss, and Harold Ramers said there was
not a laugh for the last twenty minutes of the movie.
Speaker 1: Right. So the who they kidnap instead of his boss
is Roy Wally. Yeah, Roy Wally exactly. Yeah. He's in
some mansion and they go in and kidnap him and
force him force them to do dances like him and
the other rich guys to do dances. And then later
he takes over a plane which shows up in European Vacation. Yeah,
and yeah, last bit, They're like, Nope, this isn't working.
So they literally come back six months later to shoot
the ending that we all know where they end up
at Wallyworld and they bring in John Candy and that's
how you get one of our major connections between these
two movies.
Speaker 2: Well, and also, if you'll notice, Anthony Michael Hall is
about six inches taller at Wallyworld than he is the
high the.
Speaker 1: Rest of the movie. Yeah, pretty crazy. Yeah, so this
was not his first script to be made. There was
another one. Okay, it was called National Lampoon Class Reunion
and it was a dismal failure. National Lampoon had come
out with Animal House and then had come out with
National Lampoon Glass Reunion Fail. National Lampoon goes to the
movies fail, So they weren't doing too well at this point. Now,
the editor for National Lampoon I talked about him on
our Christmas Vacation episode, is a guy named Matty Simmons. Now,
if you don't remember, Matty Simmons is one of the
guys who was a creator of the first credit card
in addition to being a huge movie producer and a
what yeah he was talking about, Yeah, Diner's Club Card
first started with Matty Simmons because he did food reviews.
That's what happened. Okay, go check out if you want
if you want the full story, go check out our
Christmas Vacation. I forgot about that. Okay. So he's got
this story, Vacation fifth eight that John Hughes has written,
and he brings it to his buddy Jeffrey Kassenberg, right,
and Jeffrey Katsenberg's like, nah, won't work. It's too episodic. Yeah.
I mean Jeffrey Kassenberg has had a lot of very
good decisions in his life. Yeah, this was not one
of them. That's right, it won't work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're going here, they're going there, They're going here,
they're going there.
Speaker 1: There's not a movie there. Yeah. Madison is like, yeah,
because it's a vacation. That's the way that it's like
a road trip. The road trip. Yeah, they're going places.
It is episodic. Turns out that's the way life is.
You go from one chapter to the next. Have you
ever been on a road trip before it? So that
doesn't work, and so he ends up with his agent
going over to Warner Brothers and Warner Brothers all of
them are like, nah, I'm not really interested in that
story either, except for one guy, guy named Mark Canton.
Mark Canton is a relatively new executive at Warner Brothers,
and he's like, I love it, I want to do it.
Let's figure out how to do it, and they make
it happen. Now, Mark Canton, this is his first big movie.
He goes on to do Purple Rain, Batman eighty nine,
The Leath a Weapons series. Not a bad record and
a good start off with this movie.
Speaker 2: Wow, you're telling me that the same guy who did
Leith a Weapon and Vacation did Purple Rain.
Speaker 1: Yep, he was the producer. He was He was the
guy behind the money and the big studio that said,
let's make these things happen. That's fantastic. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So here's the interesting thing at this point, So Mattie
Simmons says that he bought this at an embarrassingly low price,
like insultingly low to John Hughes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he.
Speaker 2: Said, now he's gone on to do better things. And
of course, so he's okay, you know, so it doesn't
really feel that bad anymore, right.
Speaker 1: Well, and credit to Matty Simmons, he made it a
part of the contract that John Hughes would be the
guy who would write the screenplay. So John Hughes writes
the screenplay for National Lampoon Vacation. Again, he does it
from the perspective of Rusty, yes, not of Clark, right.
But Harold Ramis gets involved in Chevy Chase get involved,
and they say, let's make it from the dad's point
of view instead of the kids point of out. Yeah,
that absolutely happened. But here's the deal.
Speaker 2: You hire Harold Ramis, who just came off the success of.
Speaker 1: Caddyshack Ye right, yeap and Caddyshack.
Speaker 2: It had been about three years prior to and it
didn't do great at the box office, but it had
really built a strong cult following. Absolutely And of course,
Chevy Chase is like the coolest guy in the world
at this point. He'd been in Foul Play, He'd been
in Caddyshack, Under the Rainbow, Saturday Night Live, he was
mister carry grant Us stud.
Speaker 1: I will say this, he had a couple of movies
right before this that were not like O Heavenly Dog
Dog and Modern Problems. It was just a couple of
movies that were not that great, and so under the
rainbow that might have been. Yeah, you know, Kerry Fisher
and Abra Hello. Yeah, all right, But anyway, you have
a few entities that are on a downward trajectory instead
of an upward trajectory, right, Chevy Chase being one, National
Lampoon being the other. Obviously with National Lampoon vacation, and
you get a home run. Then that's followed up by
John Hughes doing Mister Mom, which we plan to cover
very soon, yes, And those two get him a three
film deal with Universal, and that's when we get sixteen.
Speaker 2: Candles, Candles, Breakfast Club, Paris Bueeler, Weird Science, weird science.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: I do think it's interesting though, that the shift from
Rusty's perspective. So we know, we all know John Hughes
is a teen guy. I mean, gosh, he was the
voice of teenagers in the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, teen speak, teen speak. There you go. But when
you hired Chevy Chase, you can't just ignore that star power, right,
And so Harold Ramis, who had directed Chevy Chase and
Caddy Shack, they get together, they rewrite the script and
it becomes from the dad's perspective. Yeah, here's what's interesting.
I looked at Harold Ramis because I saw, you know,
this is his sophomore directorial thing, and I was like, okay, yeah,
Caddy Shack was number one, right, great great movie. By
the way, guys, go check out our Caddy Shack versus
Happy Gillmore episode if you haven't seen that. Fun. It
was fun. Had a great guest on that one as well.
Number two is Vacation, Yes. Number three Club Paradise. Gosh,
I think I've seen that once. I have not seen it.
I couldn't have told you who was in it had
I not just looked it up. But it's like Robin
Williams and a bunch of you know, like Twiggy and
some other random big ensemble piece. And it did really,
really poorly. And that was nineteen eighty six. Harold Ramis
did not direct another movie until nineteen ninety three, when
he did Groundhog Day. Then put your little hand in.
Speaker 2: Go back and check out our Groundhog episode versus Multiplicity.
Speaker 1: I had to think hard. I was like, what did
we compare to Groundhog Day? Too? It was so lopsided
that particular matchup. Yeah, but but yeah, check out Multiplicity. Okay.
Speaker 2: So that's interesting because right after he directs Vacation, Harold
Ramis stars in Ghostbusters. Yeah, which second biggest movie.
Speaker 1: Of nineteen eighty four. Yeah, yeah, I think so, I
means huge. Right. Here's something for you that I just
ran a bit of trivia that happened because I happened
to watch The Shawshank Redemption in the last week. Yeah,
the warden from Shashank Redemption. Yes, he's the guy who
plays Harold Ramis's ghost in Ghostbusters Afterlife. I was like,
those two guys don't look anything alike, but they just
they put the right prosthetics on his face and I
guess whatever features he has, they matched up very well
with what Harold Ramis looked like. I thought they just
took like, you know, they just created a cgi of
Harold Ramis's face, But no, it was actually the warden
from Shashank Redemption plays the ghost of Harold rams You
are blowing my mind. There you go, just a random
thing that happened in life, not even for this episode.
You are blowing my mind. Or Miss Fussy Britches being
too obtuse.
Speaker 2: Okay, hey, here's something interesting. Chevy Chase, when he was
signed on to do Vacation. He went to Harold Ramis.
He's like, listen, I'm not a father. How do we
play this guy? And I just I could not believe
because he seems like the every dad. Yeah, I mean,
I really think he nails this part Chevy Chase. His
two best roles, in my opinion, are Clark Griswold and Fletch.
Those are the movies that he does the absolute best in.
Speaker 1: Sure, I just couldn't believe he wasn't a dad at
that point. All Right, dee, So I've got a question
for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, name me a movie written by John Hughes
with a great all American dad, a mom who has
to handle that dad a little bit right right. They
take a reluctant family vacation, you have annoying relatives.
Speaker 1: That show up. Yeah, and you encounter a dead person
like every vacation movie.
Speaker 2: Well, it's actually National Lampoon's Vacation and The Great Outdoors.
Speaker 1: It is is what.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is exactly the same. It's like a reboot
of Vacation.
Speaker 1: So you're telling me that basically John Candy's character in
the Great Outdoors is Clark w Yes. Yes, And here's
the thing, okay, stay with me on this. Okay.
Speaker 2: So we talked about how Chevy Chase and Harold Raimis
changed the perspective of vacation from a teen point of
view to the dad point of view. He wasn't all
that happy with that, right, John Hughes is pretty particular guy. Now,
do I think that he just took that story and
remade it in the great outdoors?
Speaker 1: Yes? I do, Yes, I do.
Speaker 2: Okay, and I've got evidence to back it up because
he's done it before.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, stay with me on this. Now.
Speaker 2: I know that you haven't seen these two movies, but
we're gonna cover this at some point.
Speaker 1: The movie Pretty in Pink Mally Ringwold.
Speaker 2: Andrew McCarthy, James Bader, John Prior, right, and you have
this sort of love triangle.
Speaker 1: Is that before or after super that's before? Yeah, that's good. Okay,
he was so dismal. All right, sorry, digressional. Okay.
Speaker 2: They finish out Pretty in Pink Andy, the Mully Ringold character.
She ends up with John Cryer's character.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Well, the studio says, no freaking way, cut that, there's
no way we can do that, and then they change
it and you have the epic Reunion of Andrew McCarthy
and Molly Ringwold, which test audiences hated the original ending,
which was the John Hughes ending. The studio said, no,
we're going to change it. John Hughes is like, heck.
Speaker 1: No, we're not changing it.
Speaker 2: No, we're changing it, right, So they remade it where
she ends up with the boyfriend.
Speaker 1: That sounds ju jus right.
Speaker 2: You have the swell of the music from OMD and
everybody loves Pretty in Pink when John Hughes was not
happy and you're very, very mad about that.
Speaker 1: He wants the cheerleader to end up with the geek,
right right.
Speaker 2: So basically he turns right around and does some kind
of wonderful which is a reboot of Pretty and Pink
where he does what he wants and it's the exact
same thing.
Speaker 1: So if I understand your theory, Yes, he was unhappy
that they changed National Lampoon vacation storyline, and so what
five years later he does it again and gives it
his own storyline. Yes, and that's why we're comparing these
two movies today.
Speaker 2: Yes, all right, I love the same movie, just revamped
a little bit.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it all right. Instead of
cousin Eddie, you get cousin Roman. Yes. Wow, yes, you're
blowing my mind. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2: So this goes into our summer of nineteen eighty eight.
The Great Outdoors came out June seventeenth, nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 1: Just to touch on this, guys, we're talking about nineteen
eighty three and nineteen eighty eight. We're talking about these
movies are celebrating their fortieth and thirty fifth anniversary this year.
Speaker 2: I can't believe these movies are this old man, No, right,
we're getting old.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: This movie, The Great Outdoors was originally titled Big Country.
Speaker 1: Right. This was the twenty fifth biggest movie of nineteen
eighty eight. Oh okay, that's something. Nineteen eighty eight was
a pretty good year for movies. I mean, honestly, to
be twenty fifth is still pretty darn good. Yeah. Did
you see this in the theaters? Yes? Okay, yeah, did
you enjoy it? Yes? This is a two thumbs up
for you. Okay, good good, okay. So once again, written
by John Hughes, directed by Howard Deutsch. Let's talk about
him for just a second, right, Yes, Howie is I
think what he goes by. But as we said, you
call him Howie again, I'm gonna Howie Deutsch. That's what
his wife calls him.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, No, it's okay, good call him Holly.
Speaker 1: It's fine. If if you're hearing this and you're upset,
just give me a call, be happy to apologize in person.
Speaker 2: Howard Deutsch directed the beautiful Leah Thompson in Some kind
of Wonderful.
Speaker 1: Yeah right.
Speaker 2: We talked about how he steps in and he directs
the movies that John Hughes doesn't basically, so he directs
some kind of wonderful. He starts dating his leading lady
and ends up marrying her, and they've got kids and
they're still married.
Speaker 1: Awesome. Yestast is great. By the way, Just on Leah Thompson.
I'm going to be bringing up Back to the Future shortly,
and for those of you that don't know, Back to
the Future is my favorite movie from the nineteen eighties,
so I will be bringing it up later in the podcast.
I won't tell you when. It'll just be a surprise.
That's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 2: We actually talked about Back in the Future last week
when we talked about Clint Eastwood the biggest yellow belly
in the West.
Speaker 1: Right, I think it should be in every episode.
Speaker 2: So anyway, Howard Deutsch comes in to direct The Great Outdoors,
which is why it's a little bit campier than maybe
the others more serious John Hughes stuff.
Speaker 1: You mean like Vacation And yeah, you think it's more
campy than Vacation. Well that was directed by Harold Ramis right.
It's not Breakfast Club, right, you know what I mean.
I mean you have talking raccoons, okay, subtitled. Now I
am not a fan of the talking raccoons and chipmunk speak.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, So yes, I do believe The Great
Outdoors is just a revamp of Vacation.
Speaker 1: Fantastic. Okay, I can live with that. I can live
with that. Cool.
Speaker 2: Just one more thing on Vacation. Yes, it was released
July twenty ninth, nineteen eighty three. We're coming up on
the fortieth anniversary. That weekend it opened against Private School
and Kroll.
Speaker 1: Oh, Kroll, there's a throwback. Yeah. When are we going
to do our Croll versus Beast Master episode? Maybe maybe
next year.
Speaker 2: Before we get into the movie, I want to talk
about one thing I want to bring out real quick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the movie poster. Let's talk about both movie posters.
Let's talk about both both moviess. Okay, let's talk about
both the movies posters. How about we do that echo?
What echo? All right, we'll talk about both movies, talk
about both movie posters. All right.
Speaker 2: So the first one, National Lampoon's Vacation, one of my
all time favorite movie posters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fantastic. It's like dazzling, right right.
Speaker 2: You have Chevy Chase who's muscled up and he's ripped up,
and he's got the tennis racket. He looks like a
gladiator champion.
Speaker 1: Dad, he looks like Conan the Barbarian he does, which
was also a big movie in that time period. That's right,
But I looked there isn't a cone in the Barbarian
poster that is identical to this one. But as it
turns out, the guy who did the poster did a
whole lot of cone in the Barbarian artwork.
Speaker 2: Yes, that guy's name is Boris Viejo. He also did
posters for Barberrella. Okay, The Empire Strikes Back, oh wow,
and cue the Winged Serpent.
Speaker 1: Oh you remember that movie. We have talked about this before.
Why in the world have we talked about that? I
don't remember. I feel like maybe it was a special
effects Ah, maybe it's.
Speaker 2: One of those cheesy gargoyle like movies that I still loved. Okay,
and then let's flip back to Great Outdoors.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Great Outdoors. If you are from the US,
the image that you probably have in your head is
dan Aykroyd holding John Candy up by a fishing line
on the poster. Yeah. Well, okay, so do you have
something to say? Yeah? Okay, So here's the deal with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's based on a magazine, a Canadian magazine I believe,
of course, called The Great Outdoors. And so it's the
poster is made to look like the front cover of
that magazine.
Speaker 1: Right, So, do you know why they changed the title
from Big Country to The Great Outdoors? I do? Well,
then share it please, you know I do? Okay, well,
we all know, but we're gonna blow your mind for you.
Speaker 2: Because they didn't want to get anybody confused with the
movie Big.
Speaker 1: With Tom Hanks. Yeah. So, by the way, go check out.
That's that's an episode from this season Big Versus Twins.
Big Twins, Remember that is because big is so much
better than twins, That's true. And by the way, on
that track, yakud yak, don't talk back. In both they
Got Some Papers and the Trash, it's in. It is
in the Great Outdoors and it is in it is
two movies from nineteen eighty eight that throw back to
the same song from the fifties. Yeah, could act don't
talk back? Okay. I'm a quick question. Do you ever
sing with your children in the car? Yes? Will they
sing oldies with you like that?
Speaker 2: Are they putting on the headphones to listen to blitz Creakbop.
Speaker 1: I don't think I have any kids that listen to
the ramones, but.
Speaker 2: Hey, I will tell you something. I do really love
the scene. Of course, we talked about Ellen Grosvelt be
Everly D'Angelo, who was in every which way but loose.
Speaker 1: We covered a couple of weeks ago. She was a
singer my.
Speaker 4: Bird head, my buddy, he you, I have you, Ey's
gown a fie. Mar jon't saying don't fit easy, he's
brown a fire, I'm a ring any of the dwnh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so she's like nailing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's getting the harmonies I literally had that thought
as I was watching again, I'm like, I can tell
that she's a singer now. And I also had the thought,
I wonder if the Fairly Brothers deliberately did the throwback
to It's Gotta be Mockingbird. I think so, right, yeah,
but it never occurred to me until I would rewatch
the movie. I'm like, Oh, they're singing mocking Bird, the
exact same thing that they do in Dumb and Dumber.
Mock Yeah, yeah, bird, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, mocking Bird.
Speaker 1: Don't everybody have you heard you? She's going on back.
Speaker 3: Bird.
Speaker 1: And if that mucking bird, don't.
Speaker 4: Say, she's going about me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fun. Yeah. Okay, So are we ready to
talk casting? Let's start casting. All right, let's go, let's
flop back to vacation. Okay.
Speaker 2: So we talked about how out of the gate they
hired Chevy Chase.
Speaker 1: I gotta be crazy. I'm gonna pilgrimage and see him moves.
Speaker 2: Praise Marty Moose, which was the coolest, funniest guy in
America at that moment. Now he had taken a couple
of steps back, but he was still going strong from
Saturday Night Live and Foul Play and once you got
him on board, now you've got a movie. But here's
the guys that they were looking at. Now let's step
into the alternate universe where you can imagine somebody else
playing Clark w Griswold.
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, Bill Murray. Well, of course Bill Murray and
Chevy Chase were pretty interchangeable in the nineteen eighties. Well, yes,
they were the rivals. Okay, Now, then here you go
Robert Klein as Clark Griswold, Robert Klin not Kevin Kleinert.
Speaker 2: Robert Klein now Kevin Clin I could see, actually, yeah,
Robert Klin now Richard Belzer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, both of those guys were like comedians that I
never thought were funny.
Speaker 2: No, no chance, and they're they're not suburban dads, so
looky for them. They got Chevy Chase right out of
the gate. Okay, Now, then they had to find the
right woman that matches up with Chevy Chase, right, somebody
has to take care of this madman. So here's who
they wanted. Kim Control.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is pre Mannequin but post Porky's right, So
she'd been hot. I mean, oh, she's beautiful, right, we've
been a great shower scene or jumping in the pool scene.
No doubt.
Speaker 2: She's pretty enough to drive the Ferrari I mean Kim
Drawl in nineteen eighty three for smoking, but for whatever reason,
she didn't quite work out. They also considered Maureen McCormick.
Does that ring a bell? It does ring a bell,
but I don't remember Maureen McCormick. Yeah, here's the story
of a lovely lady.
Speaker 1: She's the Brady Bunch.
Speaker 2: She's Marcia Marsha, Marcia Marsha. She is Marcia really hot.
Speaker 1: I forgot about that. Could you see here as Ellen Grizold? Maybe? Yeah?
To me, that was mind blowing. Marsha Brady as the mom. Yeah, okay,
you know I like it. Okay.
Speaker 2: They wanted somebody sweet but sexy, right. I had to
be matronly, sort of motherly, but also had to be
you know, hot, right. They wanted somebody hot and kind
of spicy. Yeah, So they bring in Beverly D'Angelo. She
was thirty at the time, okay, and she didn't want
anything to do with it. She's like, I don't want
to play the mom.
Speaker 1: I don't want to play it. I want to play
the hot woman.
Speaker 2: You know, but when she shows up, she said, she
and Chevy just kind of fell into this relationship.
Speaker 1: Uh huh, okay, let's go. Come on, where's that She's
in the car?
Speaker 3: Good? Come on, kids, get your butts in the car.
Don't you want to look at the grand can here?
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't think anything bubbled up out of that, but
they they just kind of fell into it as husband
and wife.
Speaker 1: And so because of that chemistry, that's why she was
hired on Awesome. I thought that was cool. Now, then Anthony.
Speaker 2: Michael Hall plays Rusty. This is where we find Anthony
Michael Hall.
Speaker 1: This is his break in. This is his first one.
This is Anthony Michael Hall, icon of the eighties. His
first movie, DA this is not the car you ordered?
Take it easy, russy ed, this is not the car
I ordered.
Speaker 2: Do you remember what movie he auditioned for right before this? No,
The Outsiders? Oh okay, the auditioned for Johnny I believe.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And this is where he gets introduced to Don Hughes.
Speaker 2: He goes on to sixteen Candles, Breakfast Club, Weird Science.
Speaker 1: He was supposed to be Ferris Bueler. He turned down
Ferris Bueller and he turned down another movie that Hughes
was doing, and that kind of you know, it was
upsetting and they kind of lost touch after that, which
is tragic. They talk about Molly Ringwaldby and John Hughes muse.
I think that Anthony Michael Hall was also.
Speaker 2: No doubt if you want to hear the story on
that at a film buy. I did a podcast with
Jeff Johnson on Out of Bounds. Oh yeah, which was
like an action movie starring Anthony Michael Hall in nineteen
eighty six. Right, that was the movie he chose to
do instead.
Speaker 1: Of Ferris Bueler's Day Off. Gosh, there are bad choices, choice,
and then there are bad choices. Yea. So here's the deal.
Speaker 2: You know, they went all over the country looking for
Rusty and they just couldn't find anybody that they liked.
Harold Reimas said, they were like depressed. They're like, we
can't Rusty and everybody was so over the top, like
too much. Every kid was like on. And they went
in and Anthony Michael Hall played it kind of minimalist, shy,
and he had braces.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't take off your braces.
Speaker 2: When they hired him, they're like, great, you got the job. Kid,
don't don't take off your braces, which is great.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine though, as a kid, if you had
braces as a kid, as soon as you got them on,
you were waiting for the day to take them off.
And now you get cast in your first major movie
and they say, don't take your braces.
Speaker 2: So next was Audrey the daughter. They brought in Dana Baron.
They just want to see the chemistry with Anthony Michael Hall.
She said she had older siblings, so she understood the
stopped touching me and making peanut butter and faces.
Speaker 1: Look his hand and touching exactly.
Speaker 2: She and Anthony Michael Hall just fell in right away
like siblings.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was hired right away. Yeah, and you told
me that Anthony Michael Hall kind of had a crush
on her.
Speaker 2: Anthony Michael Hall did have a crush on Dana Baron.
He said she was a little hottie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I heard that they were We talked about,
you know, Beverly d Angelobi and the little sexy mom
and they're all getting ready to film the shower scene,
right and she comes in and you know, she's got
a robe on, and they're all getting ready and all
of a sudden. Marty Simmons, who was there, is like, hey,
what are you doing here? Anthony Bichael Hall had snuck
in to try to sneak peek of Beverly de d'An
angelo do in the shower scene. Can you blame the kid?
I cannot. Are you gonna bring up the story? So
you're finally here. Yeah, it was nineteen eighty three. I
was seven years old. I've told this story a million times,
but I'll tell it again. I was nineteen eighty three.
I was seven years old, and my cousins and my
brother and I bought tickets to see the movie Snow White,
and we walked into the theater and theater hopped from
national lampoon vacation to risky business to trading places, and
so in one day, I saw Jamie Lee Curtis's boobs boobs,
And the first one, the one that changed my life,
the one that I went, oh my gosh, I didn't
know they could do this in movies, was really DiAngelo.
That's wonderful. And in rewatching it, I was like that
scene was over in a blink, but it is etched
into my memory as though it lasted four hours.
Speaker 2: So here's the funny thing about that. It was a
close set. Of course, that's why they were trying to
keep all the non essential.
Speaker 1: People out under fourteen year old exactly right.
Speaker 2: They're like, okay, Beverly, whenever you're ready, And Mattie Simmons
says that she took off her robe and like walked
across the room and was doing stuff, and he's like, Beverly,
you don't have to take your robe off until you're
like ready to get in the water. I mean, you know,
She's like, please, I did four hundred shows of hair
or I was naked every night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, She's like, this is nothing to me. Nice Bravo, bravo. Yeah, okay, lastly,
just a couple more people I want to bring up
real quick, huh imaging Coca plays aunt Edna. Glad you
brought her up.
Speaker 3: You enjoy throwing up every five minutes, Claude Clark, I thought, so, well,
am I gonna eat?
Speaker 2: Or am I gonna.
Speaker 4: Starve to death?
Speaker 1: This movie is not this movie without ann Eda in it.
She is a gem. She's awesome. Yeah. She was a
comedian from the sixties. Yeah, she was on the Sid
Caesar Show and stuff like that. She was in a Yeah,
Sid Caesar Show won many awards for her work in
comedy TV shows. This was kind of a she hadn't
done something for a while and they brought her in
on this. But before this, in the seventies, she was
involved in a car wreck. She was afraid to travel. Yeah,
she was afraid to travel. And of course, well, in
the real car wreck that she had in the seventies,
she's in the passenger seat her husband's drive and they
run into this nineteen year old girl. Her husband and
the girl aren't seriously injured, but the rear view mirror
comes out and goes into her eye and they have
to do reconstructive surgery. She has a glass eye. She
was blind out of that eye for the rest of
her life. And of course, in this movie they have
the gigantic car I mean, they have several car incidents,
but they have the gigantic car wreck where she's in
it and you'll remember her hat is pulled down over
her face at the end of it. She was terrified
to do this scene because of that accident she had
had less than ten years old. That's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the funny part is they were like
they're not actually going to go on the road, because
they'll just do it on the studio.
Speaker 1: That's how they do road movies. Nope, they went on
the road. Yeah, she was awesome. Jes, that must have
been like sixty yards.
Speaker 2: Sixty I bet when when she when her husband crashed
that car. I wonder if she said he he shouldn't
even have a license.
Speaker 1: Here's something that I thought was interesting that I hoped
to blow your mind with. Okay, she was in an
episode of Moonlighting. Really yes, Now I'm gonna say this,
and you're gonna be like, of course, right. She played
Agnes's mother. Oh yeah right, I mean yeah, they could
be mother And I had to look at them like
are they really mother and daughter because they look so
much alike. But you will remember the episode, Agnes's mother
is coming across the border and like some drug dealer's
plant drugs so that they come across the border with
her and she gets in trouble and it's one of
those ones that Ruce Willis and Sybil Shepherd were both gone,
and so it's Agnes and the guy booger whatever his
name is, Curtis Armstrong. Yes, they have to they have
to solve the mystery in this particular episode. She got
nominated for an Emmy for that. Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I know we're veering off the track here
just a little bit. But did you know that Harold
Ramis thought she had a stroke while filming this movie?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Did you know? You haven't heard this story? No? No, okay,
so listen to this.
Speaker 2: So they're filming one morning and she's in the backseat
and it's some scene with with image and Coka. Right,
So they've been working on this scene all morning, right,
They go to break for lunch, and when they come back,
Harold Ramis is like, all right, imaging whenever you're ready,
and she's like, okay, what are we what are we doing?
He's like, well, we're gonna We're gonna keep doing that
scene we were.
Speaker 1: Working on right before lunch. She's like, what was that again?
Speaker 2: He's like, well, the scene, the one that you know
we've were working on all morning. And she's like, well,
which one? And he kind of describes it to her.
She had no memory of it, like gone, like whoosh gone,
She didn't know her liiance, she didn't recall that morning nothing.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: So they called the paramatics. They're like this woman had
a stroke. They thought we're gonna have shut down production.
They were very, very worried about her, and so she
gets checked out. Paramac says, well, she's okay. She and
her husband spent all that next night relearning her lines. Wow, yeah,
that's really weird. Yeah, she was really frailed during the
filming of this.
Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting that you say that because I read something.
I cannot remember at this point what the movie was,
but basically she it was a movie or a TV episode,
but they had to be out in like the fifteen
degree weather. She sat on a sidewalk, like as she
was playing a homeless person seventy five years old, sat
on the sidewalk in the snow for hours and hours,
and like all of the twenty somethings were like cuddled
by the heater and graplaining about the colt and she
never complained once. They said she was the consummate professional,
you know, just tough and could bear through anything. Well,
that's interesting.
Speaker 2: So the woman who played cousin Catherine, Yeah, her name
is Miriam Lynn Flint. She was in the house the
you know, cousin Eddie's house and Ima Jean's Like I
just don't know if I can do this. I'm just
not very strong and I'm not feeling it. And she
was kind of whining, and Mary was like, man, I
don't know if she could do this. And then they're like, okay, Emagen,
whenever you're ready, and she's cracked that door open and
was like popping out with her little walker.
Speaker 1: Am I gonna eat? Or am I gonna starve to death?
And she said she just nailed it.
Speaker 2: So she was just kind of a little bit frail,
but she nailed it anyway.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's funny that both of us just
got fascinated with i'ma gene Coco?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think it's great. Other folks that you got from
vacation that you want to talk about. Yeah. So Randy
Quaid plays cousin Edti his defining role. I don't know
why they call this stuff Hamburger Helper. It just fine
by itself, huh. I like it better in tune to
help her myself, don't you, Clark? You're the door man
around here.
Speaker 2: Ed He nails it right right. They could not have
done better with either of these if you.
Speaker 1: Said Randy Quaid and somebody was like, I don't know,
and you're like, cousin EDDI like, oh right, right, that's
it's the finding role.
Speaker 2: They wanted Robin Williams to play cousin Eddie. That would
have been too much, too.
Speaker 1: Much, Yeah, Randy Quaid is just enough. Yeah, Robin Williams
too much. Yeah. And they have the kids there at
the shock that they live in. Yes, you know, and
you've got the boy cousin Dale doesn't have the video games,
don't have asteroids, doesn't have a Space Invader. My dad
had asteroids some days. Caves in the toilets, so you
got pack.
Speaker 3: No you got space Vaders.
Speaker 2: Nope, you got asteroids.
Speaker 4: No, my dad does.
Speaker 2: Came was so toilet some days.
Speaker 1: And then there's the sister cousin, Vicky. Cousin Vicky is
Jane Krakowski exactly. I'm going steady and I French kiss.
Speaker 3: So everybody does that, yeah, but Daddy says I'm the
best at it.
Speaker 1: So in the nineties when I started watching Ali McBeal,
I'm like, ah, that's the cousin from Vacation and now
she I mean, she was a huge Broadway star. She's
been in a ton of stuff, thirty Rock, Yeah, she's
all over the place. This is where she got her start.
Speaker 2: Of course, you have John Candy as Russ Laski, the
security guard at wally World. They brought him in the
last second, and I would make an argument that he
may be John Hughes's most valuable player ever ever, Right,
I mean he's up there with with Molly Ringwold and
Anstrains and automobiles, Uncle Buck, home alone, great Outdoors, he
plays Gus and home alone.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: Whenever you need something to perk up the funny, you bring.
Speaker 1: In John Candy. Yeah, okay, one more person, two more people.
I want to talk about.
Speaker 2: Christy Brinkley may have been the most beautiful woman on
the planet.
Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty two when they felt this. She was
not an actor. I'm not a dancer.
Speaker 2: We know she's done a dancer. Flashy back to our
Billy Joel episode.
Speaker 1: So when did they get married and Billy Joel and
Christophrinkley get money?
Speaker 2: Gosh, well that dropped in eighty three, so ride around
this time. Yeah, okay, if you want to hear the
story about how Billy Joel almost had Elman Pearson and
Christy Brinkley in bed in the same day, and go
listen to our Billy Joel Innocent Man episode Not So Innocent.
That's right, Okay, we can talk about how great Dinky the.
Speaker 1: Dog was Dinkham's okay on that subject. Yes, the cop
James Keach, Yeah, James Keach, brother of Stacy Keach. Yes.
Do you know what the penalty is for animal cruelty
in this town? I'm sure it's pretty stuff. It's probably
pretty steff he I had no idea. Not only is
the brother of Stacy Keach, he married and is still
married to Jane Seymour. What doctor Quinn medicine one? What
are you solitaire?
Speaker 2: What are you talking about that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Ravo, guy, ravo.
Speaker 2: I watched the behind the scenes on this movie. Chevy
Chase said he delivered the line better than any line
he's ever heard in any of his movies. James Keach,
do you know what the line is?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Explain this, you son of a bit. That's great if
you watch that scene.
Speaker 2: So we're talking about the scene where he gets pulled
over in Colorado and the cop is super mad at him.
Get out of the car, sir, and he's like what
what weaving or something? He's like, no, explain this, right,
and he picks up the dog leash and you realize,
oh my gosh, he just killed Dicky right right that scene.
If you go back and watch it, James Keach and
Chevy Chase were laughing so hard that there were actually crying.
Those are tears of joy, and they had to keep
redoing it and redoing it, redoing it because the other
one crack up.
Speaker 1: You will watch chevy Chase. You think he's just trying
to like, you think he's happy because the horrible, horrible
dog has been murdered. As it turns out, he's just
cracking up at the delivery of these lines. That's fantastic, he.
Speaker 2: Said, For like ten minutes all they did that one
would go they went good.
Speaker 1: That's fantastic. That's fantastic.
Speaker 2: And then one more character I have to bring up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's truly a character in this movie. I know
where you're going. I think I know where you're going.
Go ahead and go. It's the Family Truckster. I'm glad
you went there. Okay, are you ready for this? Yeah?
Do you do? You have more on the Family Truckster? Well,
other than it being metallic p instead of antarctic blue.
Let me talk to you about tell me Okay, I've
got a story on the family truckster. Yeah, that I
will save until our next episode. But I'm telling you fans,
you want to come back for this one. All right,
come back for the family trut story. But you think
you hate it, now wait until you drive it. But
before we end today's episode, we need to talk about
casting for The Great Outdoors. Yes, as I mentioned, we
have two of Canada's best gifts to us. No, not
Michael J. Fox, but Dan Ackroid and John Candy. Then
we have the wives, which I think are critical to
this movie. Oh yeah right, oh yeah. So the first
one that you have is one that everybody knows. It's
a net Binning. What you may not know is this
is her very first movie. Yes, I'm a net Binning
married to Warren Baty, a net Binning, the major. Yeah,
all of that. My mind was blown. I was like,
this movie was her first movie, and she does a
fantastic job. Okay, are you really what?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: No, no, she does a fantastic job. Okay, she's not very
likable in this movie.
Speaker 1: Because you're not supposed to be like exactly Okay, all right, yeah, okay,
there you go.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's talk about it. So Roman Craig is
played by dan Ackroyd. He is the supposed investment broker,
the rich jerk uninvited brother in law John Candy. Yeah,
this is the third movie that dan Ackroyd has done
with John Candy.
Speaker 1: Can you name the other two? You've got Blues Brothers, Yes,
which is great because they have a song, an Elkwood
blues song that comes up in this movie. Yes, and
then after is it after Blues Brothers? Before Before Blues Brothers.
Speaker 2: Directed by Robert Zamechas nineteen forty one, nineteen forty one.
Speaker 1: Nineteen forty one. Wowka.
Speaker 2: Not a big part by either of them, but they
share the screen. And if you'll remember, John Candy was
supposed to be in Ghostbusters. He's supposed to play the
part of Lewis.
Speaker 1: Oh right, but he didn't really he didn't understand it.
He said, call my buddy Rick.
Speaker 2: Yes, that took over by Rick moranis. So it could
have been a fourth movie.
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, and they would go on to do your
favorite movie, Nothing but Trouble.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I totally forgot about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it is the old codger.
Speaker 2: Judge it may be the worst movie of the nineties.
Speaker 1: We have to have to go back and check that out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So do you know who they were wanted
to play Roman?
Speaker 1: Tell me Chevy Chase? Well, sure, you know, yeah, Chevy
Chase and Bill Murray. Oh, both for Roman.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I see they wanted John Candy as the
family guy.
Speaker 1: They were set on Candy already, but the Roman was
a question mark. Yes, okay, all right, yeah, no, I yeah,
I think dan Aykroyd is the right fit. I just
I do.
Speaker 2: Dan Ackroyd has a style and a character that he
really does.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's it. Yeah right, Bill Murray, he's too likable.
Speaker 2: Even when he tries to play a turd like in Scrooged,
he comes off as sympathetic, likable. So okay, John Candy,
as we talked about, he is John Hughes's MVP when
you know, when we need funny, right, he's his.
Speaker 1: Go to guy. By the way, we didn't talk about this,
but let's touch on this real quick. John Hughes didn't
direct The Great Outdoors even though he was like, I'm
I'm going to redo vacation and do it the way
that I wanted to he didn't direct The Great Outdoors.
Do you know why? No, because the there was another
movie with John Candy going on at the same time
called Planes, Trains and Automobiles that he said, Oh, I
really want to work with Steve Martin, and so he
directed John Candy in Planes, Trains and Automobiles while The
Great Outdoors was being filmed by Howard Deutsch. Right now,
there's another movie that John Hughes was doing at that
same time as well, called She's Having a Baby. You'll
remember at the beginning of Planes, Trains and Automobiles, there's
this school cameo by Kevin Bacon because both of these
movies are happening at the same time. Well, She's having
a baby. The end of the movie, the kind of
what happens is they're trying to think of a name
for the baby. And then the rolling credits they have
all of these cameo appearances by these various stars. One
of them is Bill Murray, who is obviously shooting Scrooged
at this time, yes, and then you also have dan
Aykroyd and John Candy, who are obviously filming The Great Outdoors.
You can see the wood paneling behind Ah that's awesome.
Speaker 2: By the way, you know why Chevy Chase did not
take The Great Outdoors. Tell me he was shooting Funny Farm,
which is about a city guy who goes to the
Great outdoors and comes into all these misadventures.
Speaker 1: Man, that was a bad movie. I do not like
Funny Farm, are you? I'm easy? I am not crazy.
But again, I didn't see it until I was an adult.
We talked about this with twins. If you don't see
the eighties movies, either when you were a kid or
when you were a kid in the eighties, sure it
makes a difference, no doubt about, huge difference. By the way,
Funny Farm better than Great Outdoors. Shut your mouth, I'm serious.
Oh my gosh. Okay, you tip in your hand a
little bit. Let's talk about Lucy Deacons for just a second. Okay,
Lucy Deacons. I married a girl who looks like Lucy Deacons. Okay, yeah,
I agree, Yeah, I guess. So, yeah, she got it
a lot. Espe about that kid, but yeah, she got
it a lot. Curly or brown Hammy and Casey yeah okay, yeah.
And she was also in The Boy who Could Fly. Okay,
that was kind of those These were her two big
movies of the day, but she did not stay in
act right. She decided to go ahead and go to
law school. She graduated a few years after I did
and is now a partner at a firm that has
her name in it. Something that beacons in something. Yes,
you can literally look it up and see her as
one of the of council attorneys for this law firm.
Speaker 4: It's nuts.
Speaker 1: It's in Denver, it's in Colorado. Yeah, same place where
Dinky was killed on the road. She went back to
help pick up the carcass. Yeah, okay. And then for
the brother you have, mister Christopher Young. Yeah, now Christopher Young.
His first role is also in the early eighties, in
a TV series we all know called Max Headroum. Okay,
do you know what his character's name is?
Speaker 2: Chris No, Max Bryce Lynch, stop it.
Speaker 1: That is why. In the book Ready Player one and
he decides to sneak into the IOI Credit Bureau and
pretend he's somebody else. His pseudonym is Rice Lynch.
Speaker 2: My mind is not only blown but destroyed. That was
amazing for being a big greater player one fan, man,
that's a big bomb.
Speaker 1: You're welcome. Good job thank you.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 1: Also, since then he has done some directing and producing.
He has produced no less than twelve Kelly Clarkson videos. Okay,
I Hey, everybody's gotta have something that you're good at.
Might as well be Kelly Clarkson.
Speaker 2: It's fantastic because right next to his name in my
notes I say he has done nothing.
Speaker 1: Okay. So we talked about Anette Binning. By the way,
I said, this was her film debut. She was acting.
She had gotten to Tony in nineteen eighty seven. Right
before this, she had been on Broadway. She played Lady
Macbeth with a lot of acclaim at the American Conservatory Theater.
But we haven't talked about the other very important wife.
Speaker 2: Her name is Stephanie Pharisee.
Speaker 1: Stephanie Pharisee. Her debut was on a show called Laverne
and Shirley.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which we talked about in our Best TV Themes
of the seventies.
Speaker 1: And connection to Anette Beinning. She was also in Heaven
Can Wait? Is that right? Yeah? How about that? Starred
with Warren Batty, starred with a Net Benning. Maybe she
introduced him, who knows that's true? She I love her
in this movie.
Speaker 2: She may be the best, most likable character in this
entire movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, she keeps it all together. She is
the Ellen of the Great Outdoors.
Speaker 2: And literally she's the one with the least amount of
star power.
Speaker 1: She's my favorite character. Yeah. She was in Fraser. Oh, okay,
she is one of the girls that was always hitting
on Niles. She's also in Blind Date, another one of
your favorites. Really, oh man, awesome?
Speaker 2: You know who else was in Fraser? Mister Robert Prosky,
the guy who plays Wally, the owner of the resort, right, the.
Speaker 1: Guy who plugs the shotgun in the guy who tells
him that they're kissing a dead person.
Speaker 2: So he was in Frasier. He was in Missus Doubtfire.
He played Rebecca's dad on Cheers.
Speaker 1: He's been in He's been in some stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then, of course Hillary Gordon and Rebecca Gordon are
the twins romanicdes twin daughters. They're totally weird this entire movie.
They played Harrison Ford's twins in the movie The Mosquito Coast.
That's all I got on casting for The Great Outdoors.
Speaker 1: Okay, guys, that does it for episode one. Come back
for episode two. Well, where I will share my story
about the wagon Queen Family truckster, and we will talk
about music, we will talk about reception, and we will
talk about our final judgment on which of these two
movies as the best. Yes,