WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.760 --> 00:00:04.719 Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to Sunday Service, Episode seventeen, brought 2 00:00:04.719 --> 00:00:06.799 to you by Cult the Conspiracy Podcast. I'm your host, 3 00:00:06.879 --> 00:00:09.359 Josh Monday from the Colt Or from the Josh Monday 4 00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:12.800 Christian Conspiracy Podcast. Thank you so much for joining us 5 00:00:12.800 --> 00:00:16.079 this morning. We were gonna have a pastor rich On, 6 00:00:16.320 --> 00:00:18.640 but he's actually uh, we'll just have to pray for him. 7 00:00:18.640 --> 00:00:21.800 He's he's gonna be out. But I got JT follows 8 00:00:21.839 --> 00:00:23.879 JC Joe. Good morning. How's it going brother? 9 00:00:24.399 --> 00:00:26.239 It's good man, how you doing doing good? 10 00:00:27.359 --> 00:00:31.039 I'm excited, man. I like to talk about this. H 11 00:00:31.519 --> 00:00:33.840 You know, this is an interesting subdaty. I followed this, bro, 12 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:37.119 the Final Experiment all the way from day one. Dude. 13 00:00:37.479 --> 00:00:39.719 I know exactly what was going on day one, dude, 14 00:00:39.759 --> 00:00:43.320 I was because I watched the So here's here's a 15 00:00:43.320 --> 00:00:45.359 little timeline we have for the Final Experiment. That's what we're 16 00:00:45.320 --> 00:00:46.960 gonna be going over today, guys, just letting you know. 17 00:00:47.320 --> 00:00:49.439 And then probably in the end what I'll do is 18 00:00:49.439 --> 00:00:52.280 I'll I'll probably do a little bit of Exodus seventeen 19 00:00:52.320 --> 00:00:55.240 if we have time. But so the Final Experiment, it 20 00:00:55.359 --> 00:00:58.439 started man on December fourth, that's the first time that 21 00:00:58.479 --> 00:01:01.439 anybody saw Will Duffy at all. That the gentleman. He's 22 00:01:01.439 --> 00:01:03.799 a gentleman that is behind the final experiment is Pastor 23 00:01:03.840 --> 00:01:07.640 will Duffy. He has a church, a gape church out 24 00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:12.599 in Colorado or something like that. So anyways, so December fourth, 25 00:01:12.640 --> 00:01:16.959 Pastor Greg Lock was debating against Pastor Dean Odle, and 26 00:01:18.120 --> 00:01:19.840 I'm sure you guys a lot of people have seen that. 27 00:01:19.920 --> 00:01:22.840 If you guys are in the Biblical Cosmology community for sure, 28 00:01:23.120 --> 00:01:24.879 because we were, you know, we were all voting for 29 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:28.000 We're all going for Pastor Dean and the Flatters community 30 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:31.760 as well. So that's the first time anybody saw pastor 31 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:35.439 Pastor will Duffy. He went there. Pastor Dean Odle when 32 00:01:35.439 --> 00:01:39.200 he was debating Pastor Greg Lock, he said on stage that, hey, 33 00:01:39.439 --> 00:01:41.519 let's go to Antarctica and if we see the sun 34 00:01:41.599 --> 00:01:44.799 circle for twenty four hours over our head, it's a globe. 35 00:01:44.920 --> 00:01:47.319 Pastor Dean Odle said that, and by the way, I did, 36 00:01:47.879 --> 00:01:50.439 and I was going to try to get Pastor Dean 37 00:01:50.480 --> 00:01:52.159 Odle on the show. I've had him on the show once, 38 00:01:52.200 --> 00:01:54.519 but he has an engagement. We were going to have 39 00:01:54.599 --> 00:01:56.120 him on this show with me and JT would be 40 00:01:56.120 --> 00:01:58.879 awesome to have him here. But he did say that, yeah, 41 00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:01.680 because he's said that nobody's allowed to go to Antarctica, 42 00:02:01.719 --> 00:02:03.359 and you know, so he did do a lot of 43 00:02:03.400 --> 00:02:07.040 research in Antarctica. But what happened is Pastor will Duffy 44 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:10.840 was in the audience and he was like, Okay, I'm 45 00:02:10.879 --> 00:02:13.400 gonna that's that's when he got the idea. He said, 46 00:02:13.520 --> 00:02:14.719 I don't know, I. 47 00:02:14.520 --> 00:02:18.159 Believe that that stuff sounds sketchiest. 48 00:02:18.039 --> 00:02:21.199 I think is that he went there before the I 49 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:23.280 think he went there before. I think he went when 50 00:02:23.280 --> 00:02:25.360 I went there, just like I think he's been there 51 00:02:25.400 --> 00:02:27.560 before or something like that, or he had maybe a 52 00:02:27.599 --> 00:02:30.560 close person to him that had that had gone. 53 00:02:30.439 --> 00:02:32.719 That's personally what I think, you know, Can I can 54 00:02:32.759 --> 00:02:35.439 I say something first off? Yeah, this is why I 55 00:02:35.479 --> 00:02:38.159 don't call myself a flat earther. I don't ever call 56 00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:41.439 myself a flat earther. I believe what the Bible says 57 00:02:41.439 --> 00:02:44.159 about the Earth and and and this is why I 58 00:02:44.199 --> 00:02:47.680 really kind of was like kind of to be honest, 59 00:02:47.719 --> 00:02:51.120 I didn't know much about this experiment until like really recently, 60 00:02:51.800 --> 00:02:55.039 and what what I've found out since these guys came 61 00:02:55.080 --> 00:02:57.680 back I've had people in my personal life or people 62 00:02:57.719 --> 00:03:00.800 I know online have tried to use this weapon against 63 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:03.599 what I believe and said, I don't ever the guys 64 00:03:03.599 --> 00:03:06.680 who went down there were flat earthers. I'm a Christian 65 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:09.759 guy who believes what the Bible says, and so I 66 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:11.800 have a few things what I believe with the Bible 67 00:03:11.800 --> 00:03:14.599 says clearly that there's a ferment, there's waters above the ferment, 68 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:17.719 the Earth is unmovable, there's waters around the earth, and 69 00:03:17.719 --> 00:03:21.319 there's water under the earth. Outside of that, I really 70 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:22.840 don't know what the shape of the Earth is. I 71 00:03:22.879 --> 00:03:25.599 think that the flat earth model seems the most aligned 72 00:03:25.639 --> 00:03:28.680 with what the Bible says, but there's a lot of 73 00:03:28.759 --> 00:03:30.479 nuance could be there, Like there's a lot of things 74 00:03:30.479 --> 00:03:34.280 that I might not know about. So the thing if 75 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:39.159 guys like wits it, I'm not sure what Jaron believes. 76 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:43.280 If which it's a Christian and you believe what the 77 00:03:43.319 --> 00:03:45.560 Bible says, I mean, do you believe it because what 78 00:03:45.560 --> 00:03:47.879 the Bible says? Or is it because of the empirical evidence, 79 00:03:47.919 --> 00:03:51.000 the scientific evidence. That's why you believe whatever you believe. 80 00:03:51.800 --> 00:03:55.840 And so to me, I don't care what you paid 81 00:03:55.919 --> 00:03:58.759 me to go do if you call it the final 82 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:03.120 experiment and send me down there like I'm not going 83 00:04:03.719 --> 00:04:06.639 right because because at this point, because I'm I'm not 84 00:04:06.719 --> 00:04:10.400 trying to defend the Bible against some observation that that 85 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:11.080 maybe there is. 86 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:12.439 An explanation for otherwise. 87 00:04:12.879 --> 00:04:14.879 Yeah, and I mean so to me, so just hearing 88 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:16.399 what you just said, I mean I had to say 89 00:04:16.399 --> 00:04:18.920 that just because I think, like, don know, It'll put 90 00:04:19.199 --> 00:04:20.600 it this way. I got a lot of disagreements with 91 00:04:20.920 --> 00:04:23.879 that guy on lots of other things. I might agree 92 00:04:23.920 --> 00:04:26.680 with a few things that he says, him saying that 93 00:04:27.240 --> 00:04:29.120 it's a globe. If this, it's like, so you're gonna 94 00:04:29.160 --> 00:04:32.519 present all this other evidence and then you're just throw 95 00:04:32.560 --> 00:04:35.600 it away if you see a twenty four hour son, 96 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:39.079 that's ridiculous. And it's almost like to me, that almost 97 00:04:39.120 --> 00:04:40.040 sounds like a setup. 98 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:40.920 I don't know. 99 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:44.439 I mean, of course, sus this is why I want 100 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:46.519 to go over the timeline so people know exactly what's 101 00:04:46.519 --> 00:04:47.759 going on, because I was following this. 102 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:50.920 I'm telling you guys, I was locked it because dude, 103 00:04:50.920 --> 00:04:53.639 I teach biblical cosmology on I don't just teach cut 104 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:56.639 biblical cosmology on my show. I have jumped literally on 105 00:04:57.160 --> 00:05:00.040 probably I don't know, I'd say fifty different show I 106 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:02.240 was doing that. There's presentation I did on your show. 107 00:05:02.279 --> 00:05:05.040 You know, I'm constantly trying to format it, making it 108 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:07.720 better and better as like as I go. But I'm 109 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:10.560 I was locked in bro to watch this, uh Greg 110 00:05:10.600 --> 00:05:14.319 block dnotle thing. So basically Will Duffie was there in 111 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:18.079 the audience, Uh, you know which is crazy and uh 112 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:20.800 and then uh and then he created On December twenty nine, 113 00:05:20.800 --> 00:05:24.600 twenty twenty three, is when he created the Final Experiment page. Okay, 114 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:26.720 this is this is the YouTube page, and he was 115 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:29.160 putting out videos like here and there, saying there's gonna 116 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:31.519 be the final experiment in an out arca kind of 117 00:05:31.759 --> 00:05:32.680 it's just slowly. 118 00:05:32.639 --> 00:05:34.639 Almost so it's almost like, I mean, based on what 119 00:05:34.680 --> 00:05:37.600 you're saying, it's almost like the person who came up 120 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:43.240 for the final experiment was Dan Odle, Like uh, like. 121 00:05:43.199 --> 00:05:45.360 Kind of like are they like the like, well, like the. 122 00:05:45.279 --> 00:05:47.879 Concept of it, because he's saying if it's if you 123 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:49.360 see twenty four hours on, that's. 124 00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:51.560 What Will Duffie, That's that is what Will Duffie was saying. 125 00:05:51.560 --> 00:05:53.680 He said, he said, that's where I got the idea 126 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:56.959 from Joseph Handby was also in the audience and he 127 00:05:57.079 --> 00:06:01.040 was talking about saying that uh, and he was also 128 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:03.160 in the audience, Joseph fancy the gentleman, if you guys 129 00:06:03.199 --> 00:06:05.600 don't know, is the gentleman that's that's coming up with 130 00:06:05.639 --> 00:06:08.079 the trying to come up with a flat earth model. 131 00:06:08.279 --> 00:06:10.720 Well he's got yeah, yeah, he's got one. 132 00:06:10.879 --> 00:06:12.920 That so just letting you guys know. So, So that 133 00:06:13.079 --> 00:06:15.639 was there, and then and then all of a sudden 134 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:18.560 December twenty nine, twenty twenty three, the final experiment page 135 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:20.879 was created, right and then and then all of a 136 00:06:20.920 --> 00:06:25.800 sudden in January twenty three, twenty twenty four, on Debatism, 137 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:29.519 which is Jaren's show, it was Jaren Austin and pastor 138 00:06:29.519 --> 00:06:31.959 Will Duffy. They were all having a debate. It was 139 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:34.639 like a four hour debate on the shape of the Earth. 140 00:06:34.920 --> 00:06:37.560 I was very interested in that as well, because I 141 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:40.680 liked I like to see pastors try to debate the globe, 142 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:43.040 because I like, I want to debate people like that. 143 00:06:43.079 --> 00:06:44.959 I want to do that. Yeah, I'm in the arena, 144 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:46.639 I'm debating people. So I'm like, hey, I want to 145 00:06:46.639 --> 00:06:49.079 watch this. So I watched it. I was very interested 146 00:06:49.120 --> 00:06:51.720 in it. And so I saw Pastor Will Duffy and 147 00:06:51.759 --> 00:06:53.680 I saw what he was going over, and he was like, 148 00:06:54.199 --> 00:06:56.879 he is in golf in the globe, bro, I'm telling 149 00:06:56.879 --> 00:06:59.120 you dude, so much so that he said that if 150 00:06:59.160 --> 00:07:02.480 the Bible does say it, then the Bible is wrong. Okay, 151 00:07:02.519 --> 00:07:05.759 that's how much he is. Yeah. He And then now 152 00:07:06.519 --> 00:07:10.120 and and what was happening is mctoon, which is he's 153 00:07:10.120 --> 00:07:12.519 a debater on their side. He debates all these flat 154 00:07:12.519 --> 00:07:14.600 earthers all the time, and he and he says he's 155 00:07:14.600 --> 00:07:17.639 a Christian. You know, he's been. He he was feeding 156 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:20.360 him all this information. You could tell because his talking 157 00:07:20.439 --> 00:07:23.079 points that he was going over even uh even I 158 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:26.480 think Austin Witson when he was debating and was like, man, 159 00:07:26.600 --> 00:07:28.120 is it like he was even asking I think he 160 00:07:28.160 --> 00:07:30.439 even asked him that time. Or I think Sean Griffin 161 00:07:30.439 --> 00:07:32.319 when he had him on his show, asked him, uh, 162 00:07:32.399 --> 00:07:34.360 if he knows, if he knows mc twoon, you know, 163 00:07:34.399 --> 00:07:37.360 because his talking points were all just like mc twon stuff. 164 00:07:37.399 --> 00:07:39.839 Anyways, Hey, I got to take a quick phone call. 165 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:42.680 Yeah, no problem, I'm still here. And then guys April 166 00:07:42.839 --> 00:07:47.199 April eleventh, U Pastor will Duffy was on Kingdom in 167 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:51.360 context with my brother Sean Griffin. Uh, and Pastor will 168 00:07:51.439 --> 00:07:54.120 Duffy asked Sean if he was going to the Final 169 00:07:54.199 --> 00:07:57.360 Experiment because he is he uh, he had got these 170 00:07:57.399 --> 00:08:02.040 emails got sent out to twenty four flat earthers and 171 00:08:02.079 --> 00:08:07.439 twenty four globe earthers, and he was asking. He was 172 00:08:07.480 --> 00:08:11.120 asking Sean like, hey, is he willing to go? Sean 173 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:15.000 Griffin asked him if he's part of the Final Experiment, 174 00:08:15.639 --> 00:08:19.519 and Pastor will Duffy tells him, no, He's not part 175 00:08:19.519 --> 00:08:26.199 of the Final Experiment. So also during that exchange, he 176 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:29.439 said that his good friend says that Seawan is wrong 177 00:08:29.920 --> 00:08:32.200 about what he's going over. Sean was going over biblical 178 00:08:32.240 --> 00:08:37.440 cosmology and pastor and then Sean Griffin asked Pastor will 179 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:40.919 Duffy who was his friend and he said mc tune 180 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:44.039 as soon as he said that, So, So what I 181 00:08:44.080 --> 00:08:46.600 was telling you, Bro is April eleventh. Bro. Pastor will 182 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:49.279 Duffy was on Kingdom in context with Sean Griffin, right, 183 00:08:49.679 --> 00:08:52.840 and he asked so Pastor will Duffy sent out twenty 184 00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:55.240 four emails to twenty four globers. Twenty four emails to 185 00:08:55.320 --> 00:08:57.399 twenty four flat earthers, and one of the persons that 186 00:08:57.440 --> 00:09:00.360 got the email was going to be Sean Griffin. Pastor 187 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:03.480 Will Duffy on the show live asked him, hey are 188 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:05.799 He's like, are you going to go to the final Experiment? 189 00:09:06.039 --> 00:09:09.200 And Sean Griffin was like, literally like so he was. 190 00:09:09.639 --> 00:09:12.360 He was like, didn't trust will Duffy at all. He 191 00:09:12.399 --> 00:09:14.000 even had him swear on the Bible he wasn't a 192 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:16.799 mason on the show. But anyways, he asked him and 193 00:09:16.840 --> 00:09:18.919 said are you part of the final Experiment to Pastor 194 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:21.000 will Duffy and he said, no, I'm not part of 195 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:23.519 the final Experiment, and then come to find out a 196 00:09:23.559 --> 00:09:26.120 couple of weeks later that he came out as the 197 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:30.080 guy behind the final Experiment, Pastor will Duffy. So Sean 198 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:32.480 Griffin was like, all right, he kind of he put 199 00:09:32.519 --> 00:09:36.000 it out there like hey man, you know, he wanted 200 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:38.759 basically an apology, man, like a public apology because he lied. 201 00:09:38.759 --> 00:09:40.720 He lied to him right there. He's a pastor, you know. 202 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:43.600 So it was already a little sideways from the from 203 00:09:43.600 --> 00:09:44.240 the gate. 204 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:47.679 Bro Well, so he's and he's obviously the clip circulating 205 00:09:47.720 --> 00:09:51.919 around is he's the pastor who says it's not immoral 206 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:56.679 to deceive or to lie inherently immoral, and it's funny, 207 00:09:57.600 --> 00:09:59.039 the funny thing about it. And I think I know 208 00:09:59.159 --> 00:10:01.399 that there's a longer context of that, and some people 209 00:10:01.399 --> 00:10:03.559 have mentioned to me, and actually I even used it 210 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:06.559 the other day. I did a live stream and I said, 211 00:10:06.879 --> 00:10:08.840 you know, I believe we're under the New Covenant. I 212 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:10.440 think it's kind of weird that I hear these guys 213 00:10:10.519 --> 00:10:13.360 all talking about the Ten Commandments and the Old Covenant 214 00:10:13.639 --> 00:10:15.639 and bearing false witness and stuff like that. 215 00:10:15.679 --> 00:10:16.080 It's like. 216 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:21.120 You ever heard when Peter says love covers a multitude 217 00:10:21.159 --> 00:10:23.840 of sins. I think that like kind of covers like that. 218 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:26.679 Let's just say there was a starving family and you 219 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:28.440 stole some bread. You didn't have any money, you stole 220 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:32.120 some bread to feed them. Is that a sin? It's 221 00:10:32.200 --> 00:10:34.120 up to God that if it's a sin or not. Obviously, 222 00:10:34.159 --> 00:10:35.679 I think if you did something out of the goodness 223 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:37.120 of your heart. It's kind of like the same way 224 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:41.559 that when David fed his the soldiers the Holy bread, 225 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:44.360 the bread of presents, like that was against the law. 226 00:10:44.360 --> 00:10:46.279 They broke the law, but Jesus said that no, he 227 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:49.799 did not break the law because the greater law is 228 00:10:49.799 --> 00:10:51.519 is the love in his heart. 229 00:10:51.679 --> 00:10:54.200 When he sees that, like the animal injured, like like 230 00:10:54.240 --> 00:10:59.120 you know in the like dude yeah album the next day, 231 00:10:59.120 --> 00:11:00.799 now you're gonna yeah. 232 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:03.440 So like so in the same way, yes, there is 233 00:11:03.559 --> 00:11:07.039 obviously something where you could say that could you deceive 234 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:09.759 in the same kind of way to save somebody because 235 00:11:10.039 --> 00:11:12.519 you had to do this, break this one law in 236 00:11:12.639 --> 00:11:15.080 order to fulfill the greater law, which is to love. 237 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:16.759 Yes, that is. 238 00:11:17.919 --> 00:11:20.440 But it's kind of like it's a weird message to 239 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:22.919 to you know what I mean. Like it's almost like 240 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:26.080 the you could probably justify all kinds of bad things 241 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:28.480 if that's the message, you know, Cause it's like like 242 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:30.240 like I said, I could just explain that and I 243 00:11:30.679 --> 00:11:34.159 and I and I can agree with that kind of 244 00:11:34.759 --> 00:11:36.120 but it's kind of like when you're get in front 245 00:11:36.120 --> 00:11:40.039 of the pulpit and having a message like that, it's weird, Yeah, 246 00:11:40.440 --> 00:11:41.799 you know what I mean, because like it's kind of 247 00:11:41.799 --> 00:11:44.000 like in the way that like in issues of faith, 248 00:11:45.120 --> 00:11:45.879 I guess that's what it is. 249 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:46.720 It's issues in faith. 250 00:11:46.759 --> 00:11:49.879 It's like we are not to be on here and 251 00:11:50.000 --> 00:11:52.399 tell people how to how to walk in faith. 252 00:11:53.440 --> 00:11:55.639 Because faith is faith, right. 253 00:11:55.600 --> 00:11:57.759 Like, if I could tell you exactly what you're supposed 254 00:11:57.799 --> 00:11:59.759 to do, then all of a sudden it's not faith anymore. 255 00:11:59.440 --> 00:12:00.879 Right, yeah, exactly. 256 00:12:00.960 --> 00:12:04.519 Due, So then you have this guy saying that, and again, 257 00:12:04.759 --> 00:12:06.360 if you do that kind of stuff, you have a 258 00:12:06.360 --> 00:12:08.960 sermon like that, well you expect to be cut up 259 00:12:09.559 --> 00:12:10.840 and say something like that. 260 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:11.240 Bro. 261 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:13.639 It's on the internet, bro, yeah, because now it's on 262 00:12:13.679 --> 00:12:14.200 the internet, and. 263 00:12:14.200 --> 00:12:16.840 You're getting on the stage too, bro, as especially in 264 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:19.480 the in the Flatters community and the conspiracy community, I 265 00:12:19.759 --> 00:12:21.799 mean students, you step on that stage and the final 266 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:24.039 e smember. You know, people are going to go through 267 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:27.600 everything like with a fine tooth comb, bro, in a 268 00:12:27.600 --> 00:12:29.759 different arena when you come out of and here all right. 269 00:12:29.799 --> 00:12:32.840 So then so then he has this sermon, right, and 270 00:12:32.879 --> 00:12:36.120 then he literally gets caught lying. I always like to 271 00:12:36.159 --> 00:12:41.600 ask him, was that lie immoral or not? Did you 272 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:44.840 have a greater reason why you lied? He said, didn't. 273 00:12:44.840 --> 00:12:47.320 I want to hear your justification why you lied. 274 00:12:47.720 --> 00:12:51.279 He did an apology, a public apology to Sean Griffin, 275 00:12:51.320 --> 00:12:55.240 and he said that public apology was like seven months ago, 276 00:12:55.639 --> 00:12:58.480 and he said basically like, hey, I'm sorry, Sean. I 277 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:00.720 would I just did you know it was a it 278 00:13:00.759 --> 00:13:02.600 was a it was like a white lie. It's kind 279 00:13:02.600 --> 00:13:04.799 of what he said, you know, like I haven't came out. 280 00:13:05.159 --> 00:13:07.039 I didn't come out yet as the final experiment guy, 281 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:09.320 and I didn't expect you to ask me that. So 282 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:10.919 because he had this whole thing going on. 283 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:13.679 That's not a white lie, that's a face lie. 284 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:14.480 He lied. Yeah. 285 00:13:14.639 --> 00:13:16.919 So it's it's kind of like this. 286 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:20.480 Is I'm not here the past pastor Will Duffie, I'm 287 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:22.200 going over the timeline. 288 00:13:23.080 --> 00:13:23.679 Well, I'm here. 289 00:13:23.759 --> 00:13:26.600 I'm here to just to call out a snake. I mean, 290 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:29.919 you that was a bold, bald face lie you told. 291 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:34.720 And then it's like you minimizing it does not make 292 00:13:34.759 --> 00:13:36.679 me feel any more better better about it. He's like, 293 00:13:36.879 --> 00:13:40.879 first of all, did you apologize to God for doing that? 294 00:13:41.120 --> 00:13:43.440 Yeah, because I apologize for Sean. 295 00:13:43.600 --> 00:13:46.559 Yeah, you sin against Yeah, you sinned against God when 296 00:13:46.559 --> 00:13:49.360 you did that. And I think that that's really I mean, 297 00:13:49.399 --> 00:13:51.480 it's like that's the whole thing about you know, it's 298 00:13:51.600 --> 00:13:54.679 kind of weird thing like the way America does pastors. 299 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:57.679 You know, obviously they're kind of in the role as 300 00:13:57.759 --> 00:14:00.480 kind of an overseer, and obviously there's all kinds of 301 00:14:01.000 --> 00:14:04.320 like qualifications to be to be in that role, and 302 00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:07.840 you're held to a higher standard. So you you put 303 00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:11.360 the pastor Will Duffy, you know, it's like it's it's 304 00:14:11.399 --> 00:14:14.360 like if JT lies, it's like, Okay, a lot of 305 00:14:14.360 --> 00:14:16.120 people would be disappointed. I mean a lot of people 306 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:18.320 who probably share my videos would be disappointed that they've 307 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:22.519 done that. But like, when you are a pastor of 308 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:27.240 a flock and then you lie, you make all pastors 309 00:14:27.240 --> 00:14:29.960 look bad because then you're just you're one of the rest, 310 00:14:30.080 --> 00:14:32.639 right because I'm just a YouTuber, I'm just a TikTok guy. 311 00:14:32.679 --> 00:14:35.519 I'm just you know, like, Okay, well this weird this 312 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:38.279 conspiracy guy is a liar, and they'll be like, yeah, 313 00:14:38.279 --> 00:14:40.279 most of them are. It's not a big deal. But 314 00:14:40.440 --> 00:14:42.159 when they say, oh, this pastor is a liar, and 315 00:14:42.200 --> 00:14:44.679 it's like yeah, most of them are. Yeah, you know, 316 00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:47.240 it makes the whole body look bad. 317 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:50.879 It wasn't good. It wasn't a good look. And Jenn 318 00:14:50.960 --> 00:14:56.600 and Austin both kind of kind of like heard that, 319 00:14:56.960 --> 00:14:58.960 and you know, they were basically talking about it on 320 00:14:59.080 --> 00:15:01.360 Jenn Show, you know, and it became kind of a 321 00:15:01.360 --> 00:15:04.039 big thing. So the first flat earther that that Pastor 322 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:07.200 Will Duffy invited or actually he threw like a poll 323 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:12.559 and everybody picked. You know Dave Weiss from deep inside 324 00:15:12.559 --> 00:15:13.720 the rabbit hole. I don't know if you guys. You 325 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:15.559 guys probably know him. He has the app and everything. 326 00:15:15.600 --> 00:15:18.279 So he was the first one to be picked. He declined, 327 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:21.399 He's like, no, I'm not doing it. Second person to 328 00:15:21.440 --> 00:15:21.759 come up. 329 00:15:21.720 --> 00:15:25.120 Wait, did he did? Wait did Dave first? Did Did 330 00:15:25.120 --> 00:15:26.480 he say why he wasn't gonna go do it? 331 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:28.799 He said, he doesn't trust uh Pastor will Duffy, He 332 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:31.679 doesn't trust mctoon. He said that mctoon is like a demon. 333 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:34.000 Last time he went to that debate, he met mctoon 334 00:15:34.039 --> 00:15:35.679 in person, he didn't even know he was meeting him, 335 00:15:35.799 --> 00:15:38.480 and he said he just felt super bad vibes for him. 336 00:15:38.639 --> 00:15:43.000 Anything that's involved with mcktoon, Dave mckegan and Pastor will Duffy. 337 00:15:43.120 --> 00:15:45.440 He said, I am not going whatsoever. I think I 338 00:15:45.440 --> 00:15:47.720 will not be involved with these guys. And he denied it. 339 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:48.679 And so what was it? 340 00:15:48.799 --> 00:15:52.159 What was his reason for disassociating with Will duffy? Did 341 00:15:52.159 --> 00:15:54.480 he was it about that lie or was it something else? 342 00:15:54.559 --> 00:15:56.399 Oh, it was just that and and the fact that 343 00:15:56.440 --> 00:15:58.200 he was involved with mctoon in the first place. He 344 00:15:58.279 --> 00:16:00.720 just felt like he heard he heard on Sean Griffin 345 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:03.159 show like I did, and he said that, he said, Hey, 346 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:05.879 my buddy is my buddy is going to disagree with 347 00:16:05.919 --> 00:16:08.240 you because Sean Griffin was going over biblical cosmology and 348 00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:10.240 trying to show Pastor will Duffie what I would have done. 349 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:12.080 I would have took because I had Pastor will Duffie 350 00:16:12.080 --> 00:16:13.919 on my show, but it wasn't like a debate format. 351 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:15.600 If I had him on my show, I would show 352 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:18.039 him every single Bible verse if if I was doing 353 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:19.919 a debate, just like Sean was doing. So I was like, 354 00:16:19.960 --> 00:16:21.320 all right, he already did that, so I didn't do 355 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:24.639 that on my show. But anyways, so he so his 356 00:16:24.720 --> 00:16:27.759 contention was, uh, you know, Dave Weiss, he said, I'm 357 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:29.519 not going there. I'm not going to be involved with 358 00:16:29.519 --> 00:16:31.360 these people at all. I know there's some kind of 359 00:16:31.360 --> 00:16:33.279 deception going on, so I'm not going to do it. 360 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:36.360 So he declined. Next person that came up on the 361 00:16:36.399 --> 00:16:39.200 list was was Jaren. You know, I'm they voted. People 362 00:16:39.279 --> 00:16:41.799 voted for Jaron because Jared's like the next big flat 363 00:16:41.799 --> 00:16:44.039 Earth name, you know what I mean. So they to 364 00:16:44.120 --> 00:16:47.639 Jared and Jaren, you know, was was making his decision, 365 00:16:47.879 --> 00:16:49.879 and part of his decision he said, Pastor will, I 366 00:16:49.879 --> 00:16:52.799 will not go unless what's it will go? Like, unless 367 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:55.279 you'll pay for him as well. So Pastor will Duffy 368 00:16:55.360 --> 00:16:57.799 was like, okay, so think about this, bro, this this 369 00:16:57.919 --> 00:17:00.559 pastor is you know, he has money because he sold 370 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:03.879 books whatever on finances. He's paying bro, it's thirty five 371 00:17:03.879 --> 00:17:06.640 thousand a shot. So he said that he will pay 372 00:17:06.680 --> 00:17:08.839 for wits It to go. So now we got Jaron 373 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:12.640 thirty five thousand, wits It thirty five thousand, Dave McKeegan 374 00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:15.880 thirty five thousand, and as as we kept going on, 375 00:17:16.200 --> 00:17:19.519 another person jumped on board. It was Candice Owens. She 376 00:17:19.640 --> 00:17:21.920 wanted to go and he was gonna send her, but 377 00:17:22.000 --> 00:17:24.319 she had she had prime engagement, so she sent her director. 378 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:26.799 So we got her director going. So now we have 379 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:28.160 someone that could film. 380 00:17:29.000 --> 00:17:32.839 You know, so, well, who's uh so, who's paying for 381 00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:35.480 all this? Is he paying out of his pocket? 382 00:17:35.839 --> 00:17:38.160 He's paying out of his pocket for this, and. 383 00:17:38.319 --> 00:17:40.480 That's what you know what, I have a hard time 384 00:17:40.519 --> 00:17:43.880 believing that's true. Well, I honestly, I just do because 385 00:17:43.920 --> 00:17:46.200 I mean, like, yeah, you're talking about like that. He 386 00:17:46.680 --> 00:17:49.200 wasn't crowdsourcing, He wasn't trying to get funding to do this. 387 00:17:49.279 --> 00:17:51.359 He wasn't getting donations to do this. 388 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:55.400 One person that he got funding for and by the way, 389 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:57.240 he had one more person go as well. And that 390 00:17:57.319 --> 00:18:00.559 other person that went is actually a he's a flat 391 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:03.599 earther and he's a documentary filmmaker. So they're going to 392 00:18:03.640 --> 00:18:04.519 make a documentary. 393 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:07.200 Well, I mean again, that's probably I mean, I guess 394 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:09.240 you could say that if he was paying for these 395 00:18:09.240 --> 00:18:11.599 people to go, it's an investment into this film. 396 00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:14.039 There you go, and and and that's not that was 397 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:17.079 not disclosed either. So as we were going along, he 398 00:18:17.240 --> 00:18:20.079 was not saying anything about a documentary. All he was 399 00:18:20.119 --> 00:18:22.440 saying is I want to get these flat earthers and 400 00:18:22.440 --> 00:18:23.920 I want to get these globers there. I want to 401 00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:25.880 I want to film the twenty four hour Sun, and 402 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:27.400 I want to make sure that this thing is this 403 00:18:27.599 --> 00:18:31.079 close case for the for the globe. Right, So we 404 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:32.160 have that going. 405 00:18:32.000 --> 00:18:36.680 And he's probably going to clip Deanoodle saying oh yeah, that's. 406 00:18:40.240 --> 00:18:42.240 The trailer. That's that's probably going to be in the trailer, 407 00:18:42.279 --> 00:18:42.599 isn't it. 408 00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:44.920 Oh yeah, he said that he has a somebody that 409 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:47.279 will pay for Pastor Dean to go. So Pastor Dean 410 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:51.039 was invited, he declined. So a lot of it was 411 00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:53.000 basically like people were he was he was trying to 412 00:18:53.240 --> 00:18:55.640 there was some investors in the background that were supposedly 413 00:18:55.680 --> 00:18:58.400 wanted to pay for Pastor Dean, and then another. 414 00:18:58.440 --> 00:19:01.880 I think that I think there's investors in the background anyway. 415 00:19:02.000 --> 00:19:03.720 Yeah, oh yeah, that's a lot of money. I'm saying 416 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:04.279 that's a lot. 417 00:19:04.119 --> 00:19:06.720 Of money because you can made money. 418 00:19:06.759 --> 00:19:09.680 Bro, what means to pay thirty five thousand? 419 00:19:09.799 --> 00:19:13.240 Put it this way, If it costs thirty five thousand 420 00:19:13.559 --> 00:19:17.319 for me to go, I'm just gonna be honest. You know, 421 00:19:17.359 --> 00:19:19.319 I make a little bit of money online. I'm not 422 00:19:19.400 --> 00:19:23.359 going for free. Like yeah, my time's were something too. Yeah, 423 00:19:23.400 --> 00:19:25.480 and obviously if you're gonna use me in a documentary later, 424 00:19:25.559 --> 00:19:28.160 you're definitely gonna pay me, yeah, like cause you know 425 00:19:28.279 --> 00:19:33.160 that's so did those guys get paid to go? And 426 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:36.119 if they did, I'm actually I'm not gonna here's what 427 00:19:36.160 --> 00:19:39.559 I what I'll say. 428 00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:39.920 It does not bother me. If they got paid to go. 429 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:42.319 Yeah, it gets bothered me if they got paid to 430 00:19:42.319 --> 00:19:44.000 go and they don't say that they got paid to go. 431 00:19:44.440 --> 00:19:47.319 Yeah, oh of course. And wits It was also okay, 432 00:19:47.400 --> 00:19:48.519 we won't get to Witsy yet. 433 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:50.160 Let's yah, we'll get into that later. 434 00:19:50.240 --> 00:19:54.200 Yeah yeah, yeah, So so okay. So Eric Debay was 435 00:19:54.240 --> 00:19:57.559 asked to go. He declined, which he's another one that 436 00:19:58.200 --> 00:19:59.680 you know, obviously he was the first one to come 437 00:19:59.720 --> 00:20:01.319 on this. See he's the first one to bring the 438 00:20:01.359 --> 00:20:03.799 AE map, which is the map that they're trying to 439 00:20:03.799 --> 00:20:07.279 basically disprove here. Other flat earthers were asked to go. 440 00:20:07.400 --> 00:20:10.480 They declined. Nathan Oakley, you know that they were just 441 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:13.039 in that, you know, same thing that Dave Wiss is saying. 442 00:20:13.160 --> 00:20:15.359 These guys are shady. I'm not going to go. I 443 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:18.720 think that. Uh So it came down to Austin Whitson 444 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:20.880 and Jaren and finally they made their decision. They said 445 00:20:20.880 --> 00:20:23.079 that they will go. Pastor will Duffie said he will 446 00:20:23.119 --> 00:20:25.440 pay for wits It, and Pastor will Duffy at first 447 00:20:25.480 --> 00:20:27.720 said that he won't go, he'll let them go. And 448 00:20:28.240 --> 00:20:31.119 so what ended up happening is now Pastor will Duffie 449 00:20:31.160 --> 00:20:32.559 ended up saying that he's going to go as well. 450 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:34.640 So we got Jared, we got Pastor will Duffy. 451 00:20:35.039 --> 00:20:35.400 We have. 452 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:38.920 The final thing that happened, bro that was a little 453 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:42.039 weird was he had this thing called the Golden Ticket. 454 00:20:42.400 --> 00:20:45.079 He said that he has he he has an investor 455 00:20:45.119 --> 00:20:47.160 that wants to pay for one more flat earther to go. 456 00:20:47.759 --> 00:20:50.039 And I was involved in the Golden Ticket, so I 457 00:20:50.079 --> 00:20:52.640 put my name in there. I emailed Pastor will Duffie 458 00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:53.960 because I have his email because I had him on 459 00:20:53.960 --> 00:20:57.160 my show, and I said, hey, man, I'm I'm prior military. 460 00:20:57.880 --> 00:21:00.880 I can embrace the suck. You know. I I've deployed, 461 00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:03.400 so I've gone from here to there. I packed bags, 462 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:05.440 I've went. I know exactly how to handle this. So 463 00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:08.480 I was basically just telling him, Hey, I'm prior Military, 464 00:21:08.599 --> 00:21:11.519 I don't mind going. I'll put my name in the 465 00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:14.480 hat and if you choose me, that's awesome. And so 466 00:21:14.559 --> 00:21:16.640 I put my name in. So he had basically uh, 467 00:21:16.880 --> 00:21:19.400 I think he boiled it down to ten flat earthers 468 00:21:19.720 --> 00:21:21.440 and and we were all sitting up there and he 469 00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:24.200 put the music on and everything and he's like, hey, 470 00:21:24.240 --> 00:21:26.200 well this is the Golden Ticket. He made it like 471 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:28.160 a whole charade, right, It was pretty pretty interesting. It 472 00:21:28.200 --> 00:21:30.119 was actually fun though, because I was like, man, I 473 00:21:30.160 --> 00:21:33.119 started getting the butterflies of my stomach to be honest, 474 00:21:33.160 --> 00:21:34.920 because I'm like, dang, bro if I go to Antarctica, 475 00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:38.960 that's pretty crazy. My wife was pregnant, you know. I'm like, man, 476 00:21:39.200 --> 00:21:40.400 I don't know if it's just gonna allow me to go. 477 00:21:40.440 --> 00:21:43.319 I had a whole bunch of emotions going. But anyways, 478 00:21:43.599 --> 00:21:48.079 so the first person that he eliminated was Brian. He's 479 00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:50.599 a debater. He said that he has all the camera equipment. 480 00:21:50.920 --> 00:21:55.200 He he's already done a bunch of different experiments that 481 00:21:55.200 --> 00:21:57.480 that have been on YouTube that people know about, so 482 00:21:57.559 --> 00:22:00.839 he's trusted in the community. He uh, he was the 483 00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:03.640 first one to go broo. And then there was another 484 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:06.119 guy that was like an actor h that was kind 485 00:22:06.119 --> 00:22:09.000 of crazy, like a reality show actor. A couple other 486 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:10.839 people and and wait, so. 487 00:22:10.480 --> 00:22:12.680 So this was not like a blind draw. This was 488 00:22:12.720 --> 00:22:14.640 like they actually everybody. 489 00:22:14.200 --> 00:22:16.599 Put their name in and uh, like an email and 490 00:22:16.640 --> 00:22:18.319 whoever put their name in, he boiled it down to 491 00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:19.240 like ten flat earths. 492 00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:22.079 So we were all face Wait, so was this supposedly 493 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:24.880 random who gets to go or or did they pick. 494 00:22:25.039 --> 00:22:27.160 He picked well done picked. 495 00:22:27.920 --> 00:22:30.839 Well, that's well, you know, that's not like the Golden ticket. 496 00:22:30.880 --> 00:22:34.160 That's like, you know, like he already knew who he 497 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:36.200 was going to take, right Yeah, and everybody else is 498 00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:37.400 just kind of used for the show. 499 00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:40.359 So the so we ended up going down I was, 500 00:22:40.440 --> 00:22:42.039 I came down to fourth and then he then I 501 00:22:42.079 --> 00:22:44.240 got taken out in the next person, next person, the 502 00:22:44.279 --> 00:22:47.440 person that he picked. Her name is Elizabeth DaCosta. She runs, 503 00:22:47.559 --> 00:22:49.799 Uh it's called the Flat Earth Gang. It's like something 504 00:22:49.839 --> 00:22:51.920 like a Discord type thing. I don't know, it's it's 505 00:22:51.960 --> 00:22:54.240 a I've never heard of her bro and and she's 506 00:22:54.279 --> 00:22:57.440 she's knowing she's pretty. Her face is pretty. She has 507 00:22:57.480 --> 00:23:00.440 that that Hollywood face. You know, I'm not say anything 508 00:23:00.440 --> 00:23:00.720 about it. 509 00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:02.839 You're not You're not pretty. You're not pretty enough to go. 510 00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:08.319 I thought I was. I thought I had anyways. Uh 511 00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:10.480 so yeah, so that's what it came down to. And 512 00:23:10.519 --> 00:23:13.240 then then they ended up, you know, they picked Elizabeth 513 00:23:13.279 --> 00:23:15.039 the cost I'm not saying anything bad about her, but 514 00:23:15.119 --> 00:23:17.240 she know, he seemed like he said that all these 515 00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:19.480 people were emailing him saying, oh, she needs to go 516 00:23:19.519 --> 00:23:20.519 pick her, pick her. 517 00:23:20.720 --> 00:23:24.240 And yeah, this this person. No one knows. Everyone's emailing 518 00:23:24.279 --> 00:23:25.640 him to take this this other part. 519 00:23:25.759 --> 00:23:28.640 Yeah, it was very interesting. So I got I got 520 00:23:28.960 --> 00:23:31.240 xed out. I was like, I was on my lunch 521 00:23:31.240 --> 00:23:33.680 break at work. I came home real quick, I went upstairs. 522 00:23:33.759 --> 00:23:35.920 I had to do it in my in my closet, 523 00:23:35.960 --> 00:23:37.759 so I had to put a background real quick, and 524 00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:39.160 then we he went. 525 00:23:39.599 --> 00:23:42.559 But anyways, wait, you know what I would say at 526 00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:45.119 this point, Bro, I mean, who knows what would have 527 00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:48.079 been different if you had to win? It's good, Bro, 528 00:23:48.279 --> 00:23:48.759 I am good. 529 00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:52.880 Well, I am a million times happy I didn't with that, Bro, 530 00:23:53.000 --> 00:23:56.000 because the way that the community turned on everybody. I 531 00:23:56.039 --> 00:23:58.720 was like, oh my gosh, Bro, I ain't I'm glad 532 00:23:58.759 --> 00:24:01.359 I didn't go. It was a blessing. God is great, Bro, 533 00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:04.640 because I'm gonna let you know though, Bro, I was literally. 534 00:24:04.480 --> 00:24:05.960 Your wife would have been mad at you. 535 00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:08.880 And wife would have been mad. My kids. My daughter 536 00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:10.720 is so close to me, Bro, my little one, she 537 00:24:10.759 --> 00:24:12.640 would have been so sad if I would have left. Dude, 538 00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:14.680 she was been so sad because me and her hangout 539 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:16.079 all the time. She's like a dad. 540 00:24:16.799 --> 00:24:19.599 But it was such an opportunity. Now everyone online hates me. 541 00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:23.519 Yeah, because bro, Now think about the opportunity here now man, 542 00:24:23.599 --> 00:24:26.920 for Jaren and for witsit. Okay, whether whether whatever is 543 00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:29.599 going on, We'll talk about all that stuff in a second. Okay. 544 00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:31.920 Now we got Candice Owen's who is a big name, 545 00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:35.480 millions and millions of followers involved in this. We have 546 00:24:35.640 --> 00:24:38.960 it seems like it might be a documentary, a second documentary. 547 00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:40.720 I know that Jared's been in the first one, Behind 548 00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:43.920 the Curve. Now we got another one going and I 549 00:24:43.960 --> 00:24:45.559 just want to say, Jared, I'm not gonna I'm not 550 00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:48.240 gonna put down Jaron on the show. I know everybody's 551 00:24:48.279 --> 00:24:50.640 going at Jared. He's gonna come on my show in 552 00:24:50.680 --> 00:24:52.480 two weeks. I did have him on the show right 553 00:24:52.519 --> 00:24:54.759 before he left, and he was in contact with you 554 00:24:54.799 --> 00:24:56.759 why he was there, and he did send me a 555 00:24:56.759 --> 00:24:58.960 message which I was like, hey man, he said I 556 00:24:58.960 --> 00:25:01.599 really wish you would have went. It was like, you know, 557 00:25:01.640 --> 00:25:03.160 he basically said, hey, I wish you would have came 558 00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:05.440 and I really wanted you to come and made me 559 00:25:05.440 --> 00:25:07.599 feel good. I'm not gonna put down Jared. I haven't 560 00:25:07.640 --> 00:25:10.400 seen anything where Jared is lying in this yet or 561 00:25:10.440 --> 00:25:13.319 anything like that, even though everybody might be saying he's 562 00:25:13.319 --> 00:25:15.359 a liar from the beginning. I haven't seen anything. I'm 563 00:25:15.400 --> 00:25:16.359 not gonna put down Jared. 564 00:25:16.240 --> 00:25:19.079 At all, you know, Honestly, I guess he said, I've 565 00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:21.480 never really been in the flat earth community, so I 566 00:25:21.519 --> 00:25:24.000 didn't even know who he was. Is his name Jared? 567 00:25:24.200 --> 00:25:26.079 Because I know it's channel named Jaronism. I think it's 568 00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:27.480 a weird name. What does that even mean? 569 00:25:27.640 --> 00:25:30.079 His first name is Jared, I think it is, But 570 00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:32.880 he Jaronism is just what it is because Jaronism is 571 00:25:32.920 --> 00:25:35.039 like a It's just what he uses. Jared is what 572 00:25:35.079 --> 00:25:37.839 he is known for in the community. He has done 573 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:41.200 like six flatter conferences. He has been in the community 574 00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:43.200 for a long time. He's been in for at least 575 00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:46.000 ten years. He goes live all the time. He actually 576 00:25:46.039 --> 00:25:48.039 has a call in show. He just did a ten 577 00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:50.039 hour callin show actually last night. I was trying to 578 00:25:50.079 --> 00:25:51.759 catch up on before we did this show. 579 00:25:53.119 --> 00:25:54.920 I don't know, you know, to me, I guess to me, like, 580 00:25:55.680 --> 00:25:58.000 and here's why I said, I don't call myself a 581 00:25:58.000 --> 00:25:59.880 flatter Earth or and I never will. 582 00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:00.960 Is that. 583 00:26:02.480 --> 00:26:05.640 It's easy to say that it's a grift when you're 584 00:26:05.720 --> 00:26:10.079 like making money off the earth being flat, Right, So 585 00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:12.000 if you're willing to make money off the earth being flat, 586 00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:13.599 why would you even care if you could make more 587 00:26:13.599 --> 00:26:16.960 money off it being maybe not flat? Yeah, you know, 588 00:26:17.079 --> 00:26:18.599 like you know what I'm saying because like that's what 589 00:26:18.599 --> 00:26:20.960 I'm saying, Like because I because I don't have an 590 00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:22.519 invested interest in. 591 00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:27.759 The shape the shape necessarily. 592 00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:30.920 But see, this is and I think when you're saying 593 00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:34.039 this is an opportunity, it's certainly an opportunity. But like, 594 00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:38.480 but but of what I mean, I think I was 595 00:26:38.519 --> 00:26:41.200 comparing myself to witsaid. I don't know if I'm as 596 00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:45.279 comparable as far as social media profiles and Internet famous 597 00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:48.519 and stuff like that, but I understand it's funny, like 598 00:26:48.759 --> 00:26:51.160 the community that we're in, you know, we see like 599 00:26:51.160 --> 00:26:55.319 what's his name, Wesley Huff going on Joe Rogan, and I. 600 00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:55.799 Can't help it. 601 00:26:55.880 --> 00:26:57.720 I could. I'd be lying if I didn't say I 602 00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:00.559 think the same thing a lot of people. Now I'll say, 603 00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:05.240 this guy's push behind him is almost a little too unnatural, right, 604 00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:08.279 where like that if you get put like if you 605 00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:10.839 have the biggest opportunity, I mean, like if I got 606 00:27:10.880 --> 00:27:15.079 invited to go on Joe Rogan full disclosure, I'll say yes, yeah, 607 00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:18.200 But at the same time, like I understand that like 608 00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:21.519 if I have a certain calling and I'm and I'm 609 00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:25.359 presenting myself this certain way online and and my integrity 610 00:27:25.440 --> 00:27:29.400 is of utmost importance, right like that that we're in 611 00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:32.279 the truth or community, So our currency and our value 612 00:27:32.359 --> 00:27:35.240 is based on the truth that we can provide. And 613 00:27:35.319 --> 00:27:37.480 so if we're not truthful or if we could be 614 00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:39.279 used in a certain way to make the rest of 615 00:27:39.319 --> 00:27:42.119 the community look bad, like that's all those things would 616 00:27:42.119 --> 00:27:44.720 be going on in my mind. It's like because it's 617 00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:48.240 a great opportunity for me, Like potentially financially, if I 618 00:27:48.319 --> 00:27:52.559 go on Rogan right, man, my podcast could could go 619 00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:55.000 you know, could go nuclear, and I could just you know, 620 00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:56.920 I could get all kinds of new subs and everything 621 00:27:56.960 --> 00:27:59.079 like that, and I could get advertising stuff. 622 00:27:59.640 --> 00:28:04.400 But what if what if he makes me look. 623 00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:06.519 Bad and makes God look bad? 624 00:28:06.599 --> 00:28:10.079 That makes God? Yeah, makes God, your faith look bad. 625 00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:13.319 He's not gonna well, he can't make it, but he 626 00:28:13.359 --> 00:28:14.680 can make me look bad. 627 00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:17.240 Therefore, as a representative, can now. 628 00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:20.000 Yeah, I can now point at here's all the things, 629 00:28:20.039 --> 00:28:23.119 so like you know, like that's what the Bible says 630 00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:26.119 about being as wise as as serpents, and it isn't 631 00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:29.559 as dove so like, so to me, yeah, unless I 632 00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:32.480 felt really comfortable and obviously just based on being the title. 633 00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:35.559 So if I if you're with sid who proclaims Christ 634 00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:41.440 and he says that that, no, he's went there and 635 00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:44.160 seen the twenty four hours son and he does not 636 00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:46.400 believe it's a globe. Okay, so then it's not the 637 00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:48.680 final experiment. So like just in that sense where it's 638 00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:50.559 like I saw him online, he was on Twitter. He 639 00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:54.000 was like saying, I fought against the title. Well, no, 640 00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:56.880 you're not hard enough because I guess said you like said, 641 00:28:56.960 --> 00:28:59.960 you cannot attach me to this project if you're gonna 642 00:29:00.079 --> 00:29:03.680 at that, And I think to me, because it's like 643 00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:08.720 so now, whatever the opportunities are, I think, I think 644 00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:11.200 to me, it's like I would really like to have 645 00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:13.359 some truth serm on those guys and talk to him 646 00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:17.079 saying like are you glad you went? What do you think? 647 00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:17.839 What do you think now? 648 00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:20.319 Because like cause it's kind of like that. Let's just 649 00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:22.000 say that these guys did make a little bit of 650 00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:24.480 money and they got obviously lots of attention, but again, 651 00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:25.039 like not all. 652 00:29:24.920 --> 00:29:27.359 Attention is here's the here's the thing, here's the thing. 653 00:29:27.400 --> 00:29:30.519 I would say, what if YouTube came to you now 654 00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:32.960 now jaring Dude, he has on one hundred and sixty 655 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:35.799 four thousand subscribers and he was getting literally before he 656 00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:38.240 went on this this show, he was getting only like 657 00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:41.680 thirty five hundred maybe maybe six thousand views on his 658 00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:45.400 channel because you know, YouTube is just gonna squeeze that, 659 00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:47.359 like they're gonna They're like, all right, we're gonna make 660 00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:48.759 it so that your stuff is not getting out to 661 00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:51.640 all your subscribers first of all. And basically they just 662 00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:54.400 they they made his show was just it was not 663 00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:57.119 it wasn't doing as well, not because of him like 664 00:29:57.160 --> 00:29:59.200 he was doing really. I mean, dude, his his content 665 00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:01.960 is great, bro, And it's not because of him. It's 666 00:30:01.960 --> 00:30:04.359 just because YouTube is doing whatever to him, I believe. 667 00:30:04.839 --> 00:30:08.440 But you know, there's a lot of things here that 668 00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:10.599 they could they could offer, you know, not just like 669 00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:11.640 the Candice Owans thing. 670 00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:14.000 I think that, but you know what is it saying 671 00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:16.519 the proverbs where it's saying like that that a good 672 00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:19.880 reputation is more valuable than all the riches, I know, 673 00:30:20.440 --> 00:30:20.920 you know what I mean? 674 00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:21.960 Like so that's what I'm saying. 675 00:30:21.960 --> 00:30:24.839 It's like, so I'm sure you and I both know, 676 00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:28.079 like if I took all the time that I do 677 00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:30.680 to make my podcasts and reels and things like that, 678 00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:34.359 and I concentrated on my real job, I would have 679 00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:37.039 lots more money, lots more. 680 00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:38.960 That's what my boss tells me all the time. 681 00:30:39.400 --> 00:30:42.839 Well, I mean, but I guess the point is, well, 682 00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:46.000 obviously the point is is that you and I are 683 00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:47.839 not doing it for the money. 684 00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:50.160 Oh yeah, I don't, right, And you know that's what 685 00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:50.519 I'm saying. 686 00:30:50.519 --> 00:30:53.359 So like that, so you could if it's fine, if 687 00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:57.160 it's finances, there's there's easier and better ways to make 688 00:30:57.200 --> 00:30:58.920 money than the ways that we're doing. 689 00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:02.640 Of course, and it was for me. This is like 690 00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:05.559 the rabbit versus the hair. Like I'm like the I'm 691 00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:08.960 like the I'm like the rabbit versus the hair. The turtle, 692 00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:11.480 the turtle versus the hair. I'm like the turtle. Bro, 693 00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:16.359 I'm going super slow and I'm just barely like going. 694 00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:18.440 My wife was telling me that she's like, your podcast 695 00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:23.279 is like the turtle, you know, because you're slowly gaining subscribers, 696 00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:24.839 slowly like making money. 697 00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:27.000 But I think that I think lots of us. 698 00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:29.880 So we have done this for free for many years, 699 00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:31.039 and then all of a sudden you start to make 700 00:31:31.039 --> 00:31:34.000 a little bit of money doing it. And then first 701 00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:36.839 full disclosure, I've said this many times, if I could 702 00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:40.279 ever get the means to do this for a job, 703 00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:42.759 I would do it for a job, because obviously I 704 00:31:42.759 --> 00:31:44.720 would do I do it for free. I've done it 705 00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:46.799 for free, I've done it for a little bit of money. 706 00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:48.960 I want to be able to do it full time, 707 00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:53.160 and obviously that requires some money. And it's not because 708 00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:55.480 like I'm just a hill just promoting anything just to 709 00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:57.359 get money, That's what I'm saying. 710 00:31:57.400 --> 00:31:58.519 I'm not that like that. 711 00:31:58.839 --> 00:32:01.680 So that's why I have not chased all the sponsors 712 00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:03.279 and all the things in order to. 713 00:32:03.319 --> 00:32:05.599 Just do this. So that being said. 714 00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:12.400 That, it's kind of like I could be really Internet 715 00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:15.359 famous if I did something like like went on the 716 00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:22.000 Final Experiment, right, but then my reputation is but but yeah, 717 00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:23.640 but I guess the point is, like, so then what 718 00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:25.160 do you do with it? It's kind of like that. 719 00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:28.480 To me, It's like it's shortsighted to say that again, 720 00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:30.759 like you could go, let's just say I got famous 721 00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:32.279 for going on Joe Rogan and then he made me 722 00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:36.039 look like an idiot, you know what I mean like that, 723 00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:40.839 So so you've compromised yourself. Obviously the people who supported 724 00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:44.359 you look are embarrassed by how you performed and what 725 00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:47.119 you've done. And then it's like, so any new people 726 00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:49.559 who are coming along to your channel are probably not 727 00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:52.799 going to be your friends, and especially if you're you're 728 00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:56.160 in this very polarized a debate about the shape of 729 00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:56.599 the Earth. 730 00:32:57.039 --> 00:32:58.599 So this is this is what the. 731 00:32:58.519 --> 00:33:00.680 Things people and this is obviously this we'll maybe can 732 00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:03.279 get into this a little bit, but to me like that, 733 00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:07.920 the Gloverses are never going to respect Witsit and Jaron 734 00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:12.480 never yeah, never, So if they help, So if those 735 00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:17.680 guys get help prove the ball earth to people, they 736 00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:20.319 are still going to mock those guys. Those guys will 737 00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:23.640 never get any credit. They will never get any credit 738 00:33:23.680 --> 00:33:29.160 from the greater scientific community, intellectuals and globers, helocentric people. 739 00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:32.200 And then the people who. 740 00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:35.200 Supported them and liked them and shared their stuff and 741 00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:39.000 really have have like consumed all their content are going 742 00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:43.279 to feel betrayed by what happened. So then it's like, so, 743 00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:45.680 how like you could get a short term gain. Let's 744 00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:47.640 just say if they made some money in some notoriety. 745 00:33:47.680 --> 00:33:49.839 But I mean it's kind of like, but now you're 746 00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:50.880 going to be a parah. 747 00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:54.720 Yeah, well they I think they thought. I think that 748 00:33:54.759 --> 00:33:56.839 because with it he was he was in the debate 749 00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:58.960 that he was debating, debating, debating, and he has a 750 00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:01.039 lot of people that follow him, and he also talks 751 00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:04.880 to a astrophysicist and on his show, and he does 752 00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:08.280 like schooling globers is one of his things. So he 753 00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:10.599 has a lot of respect in the community because he 754 00:34:10.719 --> 00:34:13.280 was but he was getting on Alex Jones debating. He 755 00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:16.079 was getting on the bigger, bigger shows. So once you 756 00:34:16.119 --> 00:34:19.920 start doing that, you're you're the conspiracy theorist start looking 757 00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:21.079 at you in a in a different way. 758 00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:24.000 Yeah, well, like it's because well it's funny because like 759 00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:26.079 like like yeah, you didn't get to go, like you 760 00:34:26.079 --> 00:34:29.360 didn't get to go Like, Okay, I've done some, you know, 761 00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:31.639 I've done some. I mean, I'm not sure how big 762 00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:33.960 a podcast I've ever got on. I mean, like tenfold 763 00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:35.800 had I guess I'm not. They're pretty big, I guess. 764 00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:38.599 I mean, like, but Sam Tripley's he's got a big show, 765 00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:41.559 but especially that's the biggest one for for ours, you know. 766 00:34:41.599 --> 00:34:44.039 But Sam invites lots of people on. He's actually fights 767 00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:45.639 a lot of people on that. I'm surprised get on 768 00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:48.199 the show. But so I've been on his show, but 769 00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:50.440 I've not been on Rogan. I've not been on like 770 00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:53.840 with Sean Ryan. I've been on like Tucker Carlston show. 771 00:34:53.920 --> 00:34:56.519 You know. Once I started doing like that, if you 772 00:34:56.519 --> 00:34:58.519 see me on Russell Brain, you'll be like, dang, Like 773 00:34:58.559 --> 00:35:01.079 how did how did JT go from like this middling 774 00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:04.840 podcast or to like, I mean, there's reasons to like 775 00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:06.760 ask questions like it's that's what I was saying, like 776 00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:09.719 the Wesley Huff thing. I'm not saying, I'm just saying 777 00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:12.559 like that. In my mind, I automatically thought, dang. 778 00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:13.320 This is a little bit quick. 779 00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:15.760 This is a little bit sudden for Rogan to know 780 00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:17.920 who he is, Like, that's that's kind. 781 00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:20.000 Of Joe Rogan had Billy Carson on his show. 782 00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:21.960 Oh yeah, And I guess I can see the I 783 00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:22.920 can see that connection. 784 00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:25.840 And and and obviously Joe Rogan and him were probably 785 00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:29.039 hitting it off because he's speaking exactly Joe Rogan. 786 00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:30.679 Exactly what he was I love it? 787 00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:34.159 Really the gospel message is not true. Let's go he 788 00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:36.840 was probably in it. And then now you know so, 789 00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:38.239 so there's there's an angle. 790 00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:39.079 That made me happened. 791 00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:41.320 But well, let me ask you a question, because again 792 00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:44.280 I have not followed this as closely as you clearly 793 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:48.639 now what I've heard people say, and I've and I 794 00:35:48.719 --> 00:35:51.159 kind of experience this a little bit. I've seen clips 795 00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:54.000 of Wits that looking very sharp, looking very strong in 796 00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:54.880 some of these debates. 797 00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:56.599 He does a great job, bro. 798 00:35:56.840 --> 00:35:59.119 But then I remember, I remember at one point I 799 00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:01.119 was saying, my one bud, he was like kind of 800 00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:03.599 on the fence about the shape of the earth stuff, 801 00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:04.800 and he won't. It was like he was trying to 802 00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:05.840 get me to prove it to him, and I was 803 00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:07.320 kind of like, dude, that's not who I am. Like, 804 00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:09.360 you believe what you want to believe. I said, I'm 805 00:36:09.400 --> 00:36:11.239 telling you, this is why I believe what I believe. 806 00:36:11.480 --> 00:36:12.480 Yeah, And then he's. 807 00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:13.880 Like, I said, you should go check out this guy 808 00:36:14.119 --> 00:36:16.679 wits it and and I guess he said, well, I 809 00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:18.679 looked up this debate with him in Flatter Day and 810 00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:22.239 Wits it looked pretty bad. And it's a professor Dave 811 00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:27.400 a Professor Dave, Oh yeah, flatter No, Well put it 812 00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:27.760 this way. 813 00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:28.719 I've heard. 814 00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:30.199 This is what I've heard, and you can tell me 815 00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:32.639 if this is true or not. I've heard a lot 816 00:36:32.679 --> 00:36:35.119 of people say the wits it looked really good in 817 00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:37.440 a lot of debates, and then lately he's kind of 818 00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:40.800 had a lot more like maybe duds where he looked 819 00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:43.199 he floundered a little bit. Is that is that okay? 820 00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:44.000 So accurate? 821 00:36:44.519 --> 00:36:47.000 I think that No, I don't. I don't think it's accurate, 822 00:36:47.079 --> 00:36:50.159 but I think that, Uh, what happened is, bro, here's 823 00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:52.719 the thing we have. We have tools in our tool belt, 824 00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:56.039 right and let's see, I'm just starting out and I 825 00:36:56.400 --> 00:36:59.480 got these certain tools I could use. Well, obviously, at 826 00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:01.599 some point people are gonna know all the tools that 827 00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:04.079 you've used. So what happened is when Professor by the 828 00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:06.199 time he got to Professor Dave, which he challenged him 829 00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:08.840 for the last like three years, he's already he already 830 00:37:08.920 --> 00:37:10.880 knows his bag of tricks. His bag of tricks is 831 00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:14.320 to prove geocentricity, right, and and that's something that he 832 00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:17.719 concentrates on well, because you cannot prove whether the Earth 833 00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:21.000 is moving or or the planets or whatever are moving 834 00:37:21.039 --> 00:37:23.239 for your orbiting right, you can't really prove that from Earth. 835 00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:25.440 So he already knew his bag of tricks. But I 836 00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:28.800 think he did really well against Professor Dave. I think 837 00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:32.039 he did great, but they but he wanted to stay 838 00:37:32.079 --> 00:37:35.360 away from the geocentricity talk and he wanted to go 839 00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:37.559 straight into the flat earth talk, which I think that 840 00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:40.599 which it still does good in that arena, but it's 841 00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:44.800 a little more he's little more uh scholastic and wants 842 00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:48.400 to talk about prove geocentricity and then flat Earth. You know, 843 00:37:48.519 --> 00:37:51.440 so when people already know your bag of tricks, bro 844 00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:54.360 and and and he obviously Professor Dave already knew what 845 00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:56.519 he was gonna come with. That's why it was easier 846 00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:58.360 to kind of stomp out that fire once he got 847 00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:00.320 on fire. Like Brookeley, he would stop the fire out 848 00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:01.800 like I don't want to talk about geo centracia. I 849 00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:02.559 want to talk about this. 850 00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:03.840 So that's probably what happened. 851 00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:06.280 But he's still I think he did really well against 852 00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:09.760 uh Professor Dave, knowing that Pfessor Dave knows everything about 853 00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:12.480 wits it and uh and and and knowing all. 854 00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:14.440 His tricks that makes sense. 855 00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:16.320 Yeah, yea, so it's a little harder to do that. 856 00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:21.039 But anyways, so as we go forward, uh so one 857 00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:23.119 thing that okay, so let me see we already did. 858 00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:25.440 We kind of talked about pastor Will Duffy, So we 859 00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:28.760 talked about everything. Everybody that got invited, Jaren Witsit ended 860 00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:32.679 up being the people I talked about, uh uh Candice 861 00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:35.239 Owens uh and and by the way, withs it is 862 00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:37.360 going to be going on Candae Owens. So that's that's 863 00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:39.880 gonna be his That's that's another big show to get on. 864 00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:43.000 Yeah. 865 00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:46.079 So anyways, so so these guys go out there their 866 00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:49.400 first live that they have. I was kind of waiting 867 00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:51.280 for a live, dude when theyre When I went out there, 868 00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:53.000 I was like, man, I want to hear from them. 869 00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:54.480 I want to find out what's going on. Their first 870 00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:57.599 live was in Puta Arenas and they they were they 871 00:38:57.599 --> 00:39:00.840 were basically showing that the sun is is lit up 872 00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:03.920 facing south, you could see that the whole area is 873 00:39:03.960 --> 00:39:06.920 lit up, so you can kind of see like, hey, uh, 874 00:39:07.360 --> 00:39:09.639 they already knew. I think what's it? And gereday, I 875 00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:13.239 think they already knew if everything is on the up 876 00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:15.840 and up they pray already knew already that the sun 877 00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:18.920 is way too far south for where they're at compared 878 00:39:18.920 --> 00:39:22.000 to what there the AE map would would show. That 879 00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:23.960 makes sense. I think by the time they got to 880 00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:27.079 Putarinius they already know if if everything's on the up 881 00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:30.400 and up, that they already know, bro, because on our map, 882 00:39:30.440 --> 00:39:33.360 on that our map basically is basically you know, on 883 00:39:33.679 --> 00:39:37.079 not our map on their map. I'm biblical cosmology. 884 00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:37.480 I'm not. 885 00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:39.719 I don't. I don't put the AE map with the Bible, 886 00:39:39.760 --> 00:39:42.480 and I don't connect the two. But anyways, on their map, 887 00:39:43.119 --> 00:39:46.079 it's already too far south already, and they're showing it. 888 00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:48.480 It's it's midnight there, and they're showing that that that 889 00:39:48.519 --> 00:39:51.440 the sky is lit up in the south, totally lit 890 00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:55.079 up in supposedly it's midnight, right, if everything's on the. 891 00:39:55.079 --> 00:39:57.480 Up and up, it is right if we believe, if 892 00:39:57.800 --> 00:39:58.559 we believe. 893 00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:00.000 It was a live stream, So I believe it, man, 894 00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:04.159 I'm not. I'm not a one that's gonna say. You know, 895 00:40:04.360 --> 00:40:08.519 there's there's a guy named King Nico Flattereth Banjo and 896 00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:10.960 a couple other shows. I think it's called They Live. 897 00:40:11.199 --> 00:40:15.519 They are like one hundred percent going that they fake 898 00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:18.800 the whole entire thing. And one thing I would say, man, 899 00:40:18.880 --> 00:40:21.840 King Nico and Flat Earth Banjo, they're both Christians, So 900 00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:24.679 you have to watch walk a little bit more of 901 00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:27.119 a tight rope if you're Christian, Bro, because there's certain 902 00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:30.239 things you can't do. Man, you can't go and slander 903 00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:32.679 people's name, Bro. And then and then all of a sudden, 904 00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:36.800 uh and say that they're sodomites. And that's one thing 905 00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:39.679 Nico says, they're all sodomites, They're all Freemasons. They're all 906 00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:42.119 this like, Bro, we are conspiracy. There's yeah, but dude, 907 00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:43.119 we are Christians first. 908 00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:43.480 Yeah. 909 00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:43.679 You. 910 00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:47.280 I'm one of the people who I was just saying 911 00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:49.760 the other day is that you know a lot of 912 00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:53.599 people trying to expose everybody. And we actually had a 913 00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:56.239 very interesting conversation on on our podcast the other day, 914 00:40:56.280 --> 00:41:00.360 and I was saying that that, like they there is 915 00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:04.119 room for people to be used by the enemy without 916 00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:08.880 it being explicit, like where they are straight up Freemasons 917 00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:14.559 and three letter agencies and literally being told what to do. Obviously, 918 00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:18.960 that people can get other people to do things, and 919 00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:21.880 they obviously put a care in front of their face 920 00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:23.000 and say hey, do this. 921 00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:24.519 So it's kind of like. 922 00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:29.039 Saying that they are knowingly working for the enemy versus 923 00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:32.559 somebody who could be used even influenced by like demonic forces. 924 00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:33.960 They don't even realize they're. 925 00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:35.800 Being being tools of the enemy. 926 00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:39.320 So yeah, like, but to say that they're in these 927 00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:42.440 secret clubs, like, yeah, I think that you need to 928 00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:44.679 come with some more proof, but you need to. 929 00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:47.599 Have definitive proof. Bro, you are like straight. 930 00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:49.480 Yeah, I would I would never. I would never do that. 931 00:41:49.519 --> 00:41:52.199 I would never use somebody being in a secret society 932 00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:54.519 if I did not know, because again, for one, for 933 00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:57.559 one thing, it's just like for when I care what's true. 934 00:41:57.559 --> 00:42:01.119 And I also wouldn't want to build a straw man 935 00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:02.960 up that I could eventually be used. 936 00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:04.079 It could be used against me. 937 00:42:04.159 --> 00:42:06.480 It's like I say, so I go, I try to 938 00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:09.760 reach too far to say these people are deceivers, and 939 00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:12.679 then I end up looking stupid because they It's kind 940 00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:14.599 of like, and I don't know if you want to 941 00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:16.440 get into it now, the whole vape gate thing. 942 00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:21.119 Yeah yeah, yeah, we can't, okay, So so yeah we 943 00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:23.039 could get into that. So what I want to tell 944 00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:25.519 people right now before we get into that. Okay, I 945 00:42:25.880 --> 00:42:29.440 do Biblical cosmology on several different episodes. You cannot find 946 00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:33.159 one episode ever that I have ever done where I 947 00:42:33.280 --> 00:42:35.679 told anybody that the twenty four hour Son in Antarctica 948 00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:39.280 would prove the Bible wrong or prove anything in Biblical 949 00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:43.800 cosmology wrong. Okay, that that is just not that is 950 00:42:43.880 --> 00:42:47.480 just not true. The Bible makes no specific claims on 951 00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:49.880 whether the sun is as the twenty four hours in 952 00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:53.400 Antarctica or the Arctic. There's there's no claim like that 953 00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:55.480 at all. Okay, I'm gonna just let people know that 954 00:42:55.960 --> 00:42:58.480 one thing that we need to separate from as Christians. 955 00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:00.400 I just want to give advice to the people that 956 00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:03.679 are doing this. The King Nicos, the flatter Off Banjo. Hey, 957 00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:05.480 I love you guys. I understand that you guys are 958 00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:08.920 trying to think that you're protecting the Bible. But what 959 00:43:09.320 --> 00:43:12.760 they did is they married the a Map to the Bible, 960 00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:15.719 like they married those two together. And now right now 961 00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:18.639 they're saying that if the twenty four hour Son, they 962 00:43:18.679 --> 00:43:20.760 have to be lying because they're proven. They're trying to 963 00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:23.360 prove the Bible wrong, which is something you should not 964 00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:26.559 put together. A map is made by a man and 965 00:43:26.599 --> 00:43:31.000 it's also the globe squisted down, and and what happened 966 00:43:31.039 --> 00:43:33.960 is Antarctica goes on the outside. That's what happened on that. 967 00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:38.000 Well, you know what the thing is is that Bill 968 00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:40.400 Duffy did sound like he's trying to prove the Bible wrong. 969 00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:44.119 Well yeah, okay, it does Okay, it does it does sound. 970 00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:45.840 It does sound if he's willing to say that he 971 00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:49.960 already knows this is true, that he wouldn't mind proving 972 00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:52.159 the Bible wrong because he says that it's if it 973 00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:52.960 says this, then. 974 00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:55.320 He said, that's history, and that's that's the way. Maybe 975 00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:57.440 that's the way the Earth was back then. A couple 976 00:43:57.400 --> 00:43:59.400 of things. Man, he took over a church from a 977 00:43:59.440 --> 00:44:02.679 guy that was anti flat earther, and he's been on 978 00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:05.360 radio stations talking about flat Earth and all this stuff. 979 00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:08.679 So and that guy passed away to him. 980 00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:13.119 So see this is see, this is exactly why this 981 00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:17.719 is weird to me. It's that, like, I have the 982 00:44:17.719 --> 00:44:19.840 biggest problem with the guy I used to kind of 983 00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:23.360 like be friends with online and he does debates and 984 00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:25.519 he's like more on the science side, and he wants 985 00:44:25.559 --> 00:44:29.000 to be respected by intellectuals, and so he goes out 986 00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:31.519 of his way to like debate atheists at times, but 987 00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:34.079 then he also goes out there and he debates biblical 988 00:44:34.119 --> 00:44:37.320 flat earthers, and it's like to me, I'm like, this 989 00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:39.760 is a horrible look because it's kind of like the 990 00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:45.199 and he's, yeah, let's just say that there's two interpretations 991 00:44:45.280 --> 00:44:46.400 by of these scriptures. 992 00:44:46.440 --> 00:44:47.679 I would say there's one correct one. 993 00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:53.000 But that being said like that, if you believe something 994 00:44:53.039 --> 00:44:57.239 more literal, and I believe something's more you know, allegorical 995 00:44:57.280 --> 00:45:00.840 in the Bible, and I yes, I would just say 996 00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:04.199 like that, it's a bad look for two Christians to 997 00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:07.639 be arguing like that because I would say that I 998 00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:09.719 remember saying this before I ever kind of believed in. 999 00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:10.760 The Biblical cosmology. 1000 00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:12.519 I said the one thing I said, I got to 1001 00:45:12.559 --> 00:45:15.480 respect about flat earthers. I said, it's a faithful it's 1002 00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:18.079 a faithful position. Because it'd be like, I don't care 1003 00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:20.840 that you're gonna call me stupid. This is what I 1004 00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:24.199 believe the Bible says, and I'm willing to be ridiculed 1005 00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:27.519 to openly say that, you know what I mean? So 1006 00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:29.840 like and I always and I just said, I was like, 1007 00:45:29.880 --> 00:45:32.000 I was thinking, like, you know, it talks about faith 1008 00:45:32.039 --> 00:45:36.079 like a child in the Bible, So like that if 1009 00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:39.920 one day you went to before the gray white throne 1010 00:45:40.039 --> 00:45:43.400 and you had to stand before God, and he says, ah, 1011 00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:45.239 you know what, some of that flatter, so. 1012 00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:47.400 It is more allegory, is actually as a spinning pall. 1013 00:45:48.400 --> 00:45:51.800 But you know what, I have a feeling being father, 1014 00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:55.400 knowing God's a good father, better father than me. He 1015 00:45:55.480 --> 00:45:59.599 would say, But I'm not mad at you because you 1016 00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:00.599 believe this is. 1017 00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:01.239 What I said. 1018 00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:02.599 You stood on the word. 1019 00:46:02.920 --> 00:46:05.719 Yeah, you you really believed it. You might have been 1020 00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:07.559 wrong about something, and I think that's why. It's like 1021 00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:10.599 you're why, like why do you believe what you believe? 1022 00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:13.679 And I think that God honors that to the point 1023 00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:17.880 being is like that me knowing that and somebody else 1024 00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:20.719 having a different Bible interpretation than me, and I know 1025 00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:22.960 that they believe it because of you know, for a 1026 00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:24.000 good reason. 1027 00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:28.079 It's they look, it's a bad look. 1028 00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:30.800 For me to be arguing with them about that, regardless 1029 00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:33.119 of what the what the interpretation. 1030 00:46:32.679 --> 00:46:37.400 Is, especially if you accept that the Bible teaches that 1031 00:46:38.079 --> 00:46:39.920 and then you try to say like, well, that's just 1032 00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:43.480 what God told them. Knowing that Titus one two, God 1033 00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:47.320 cannot lie. Uh, he's six eighteen. It is impossible for 1034 00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:50.599 God to lie. And knowing these verses, faith come it 1035 00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:53.199 by hearing and hearing by the word of God. There's 1036 00:46:53.239 --> 00:46:55.719 all these things that show and then all scriptures inspired 1037 00:46:55.800 --> 00:46:56.960 by God, you know what I mean. 1038 00:46:57.039 --> 00:47:00.280 And yeah, you're undermining the credibility of the. 1039 00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:04.760 Bible versus there that are telling you that I do 1040 00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:07.599 not I cannot lie, you know what I mean. And 1041 00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:10.440 and he's doing a first hand account to Moses from God. 1042 00:47:10.760 --> 00:47:13.239 So it's impossible for God to lie to Moses. Just 1043 00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:15.440 letting you guys know that if you if you believe 1044 00:47:15.480 --> 00:47:18.440 the whole entire Bible, Okay, it's impossible. 1045 00:47:18.679 --> 00:47:19.960 Well right, Well, I mean I guess the thing is 1046 00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:21.440 that when you get into the when you get into 1047 00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:24.480 the realm of saying that, well that part's not true. 1048 00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:31.599 Well then where does that end? Yeah? Yeah, pulling the 1049 00:47:31.639 --> 00:47:34.559 thread off the sweater, and you can eventually there'll be 1050 00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:37.360 it'll be nothing left, because that's what people are doing 1051 00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:40.320 night And especially like I said, my my friend was 1052 00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:43.400 doing this. He was like trying to prove certain parts 1053 00:47:43.480 --> 00:47:46.599 of apologetics and certain parts of genes, but then just 1054 00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:48.920 denying other parts. And I was just like, you're doing 1055 00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:52.119 the Bible no favors. You're doing nobody any favors by 1056 00:47:52.159 --> 00:47:55.440 doing that, because now you've allowed people to say, well, 1057 00:47:55.480 --> 00:47:57.519 it's a buffet, so I'm gonna pick and choose what 1058 00:47:57.599 --> 00:48:00.440 I believe in here. Yes, And then it's like, so 1059 00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:02.800 then what are you left with? You're left with a 1060 00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:04.679 book with not a lot of with not a lot 1061 00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:08.199 of power respect if you say, once you start to 1062 00:48:08.559 --> 00:48:11.280 pull away at the foundation, which like literally the foundation 1063 00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:13.280 is like the very first chapter in the book, it's like, 1064 00:48:13.320 --> 00:48:15.000 well that part's really not true. 1065 00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:17.760 Okay, well that's a great start, right, and that is 1066 00:48:17.800 --> 00:48:18.719 a and. 1067 00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:21.119 They probably said this is not a faith issue or 1068 00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:22.840 this is like this is dude, this is this or 1069 00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:26.199 like a salvation issue, but bro, it brings people to 1070 00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:30.039 salvation and it actually makes people not believe the Bible. Bro, 1071 00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:31.440 when when people go the other. 1072 00:48:31.280 --> 00:48:33.119 Way, all right, but you know what, but with that 1073 00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:36.639 being said, being a flat earther is not being is 1074 00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:38.719 not necessarily being a Christian at all. And obviously you 1075 00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:41.079 can find out obviously like the most famous flat earthers 1076 00:48:41.119 --> 00:48:43.280 is like what Eric Dubai. I think he denies that 1077 00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:46.360 Jesus even existed. Yeah, So I think that that's why. 1078 00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:49.920 And I think that that again, that's why I have 1079 00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:52.320 been really skeptical of the whole thing until once I 1080 00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:55.880 found out about it, because it was immediately used against me, 1081 00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:59.360 like like you know what I'm saying, like that, oh, 1082 00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:02.920 these flat earths debunked the flat Earth, and I'm like, 1083 00:49:03.320 --> 00:49:04.320 I'm not a flat earther. 1084 00:49:04.840 --> 00:49:07.760 Those I don't know those guys, I'm not. I'm not. 1085 00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:09.199 I'm not vouching for them. I don't know. 1086 00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:11.400 And I think I've I've kind of came into this 1087 00:49:11.440 --> 00:49:15.719 where I'm like, I I'm on your side, where I like, 1088 00:49:15.840 --> 00:49:17.760 I don't want to go so far out to say 1089 00:49:17.800 --> 00:49:20.639 that it's all fake, fake, I know it's fake, blah 1090 00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:23.559 blah blah, because again I'm not I'm not trying to 1091 00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:26.599 defend like the Gleason map and all that stuff like that, 1092 00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:29.840 like that's not I've never said that that's the truest 1093 00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:31.599 version of whatever this is. 1094 00:49:31.719 --> 00:49:34.679 I mean, maybe it's ever connected the two. I've Okay, 1095 00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:37.800 there's a few verses that I have said that you know, 1096 00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:40.960 the seas have its boundaries, right. I have said that 1097 00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:45.039 I believe in Amos ninety six when it says vaulted dome. 1098 00:49:45.760 --> 00:49:47.639 When you look up that word, it means binding. I 1099 00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:50.519 think it's binding heaven, which is the firmament to the Earth. 1100 00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:53.239 I do believe that the firmament connects to the Earth. 1101 00:49:53.599 --> 00:49:56.599 I never said, though, it connects to Antarctica. And that's 1102 00:49:56.599 --> 00:49:57.159 a yeah. 1103 00:49:57.159 --> 00:49:59.119 Finally, well see you never says that, you know. That's 1104 00:49:59.159 --> 00:49:59.920 the funny thing. I remember. 1105 00:50:00.280 --> 00:50:02.840 I know Tyler for fittest flat earther. I know he's 1106 00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:03.760 he was coming. 1107 00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:06.079 Out to Tyler. I talked to him. He doesn't email me. 1108 00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:09.159 He was he was coming at people for talking about 1109 00:50:09.239 --> 00:50:11.079 lance beyond the ice wall. And it's like, you know what, 1110 00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:14.639 I believe in biblical cosmology, and I'm open to the 1111 00:50:14.679 --> 00:50:17.519 idea that there's lance past because when I saw that 1112 00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:21.320 progue clock, I'm like, dang, that actually is really interesting, 1113 00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:24.119 you know, like that that because I because the way 1114 00:50:24.159 --> 00:50:26.960 I was thinking about it, like what if the that 1115 00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:31.639 the Earth as we know it is only where you know, 1116 00:50:31.679 --> 00:50:33.320 so if they think about like even like the glease 1117 00:50:33.400 --> 00:50:36.119 and map, just think like that that's a one part 1118 00:50:36.119 --> 00:50:38.639 of the realm. And so outside of where the circuit 1119 00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:41.199 of the sun is, it's it's icy and cold and 1120 00:50:41.199 --> 00:50:43.079 It's like there could be darkness beyond there, but there 1121 00:50:43.119 --> 00:50:46.840 could be Like the Bible does not say that there's, yeah, 1122 00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:51.920 the the dome connects to the ice at the edge. 1123 00:50:52.159 --> 00:50:54.239 It doesn't say so. Like what I'm saying is like 1124 00:50:54.280 --> 00:50:55.880 I believe in a dome ferment and it could be 1125 00:50:56.000 --> 00:51:00.559 way bigger ye, Like like you say, like on here, 1126 00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:02.800 you could have a little small part of that is 1127 00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:06.760 where the ice wall ends. And so it's it's further 1128 00:51:06.840 --> 00:51:09.639 past than we could go. And that's why I'm saying 1129 00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:12.760 like that, I'm open to the idea that that this 1130 00:51:12.840 --> 00:51:15.559 could place could be way more dynamic or bigger or 1131 00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:21.199 whatever than we could ever imagine. And is that biblical? Well, 1132 00:51:21.199 --> 00:51:23.360 it doesn't really say it, just like I guess it said. 1133 00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:27.239 It's it's I'm saying that there's open to alternative ideas. 1134 00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:30.239 I said at this point, I'm really have only came 1135 00:51:30.280 --> 00:51:32.679 to biblical cosmology within like a year and a half, 1136 00:51:33.400 --> 00:51:36.280 and now I'm like in the place where dang, I'm 1137 00:51:36.280 --> 00:51:38.199 not really sure what what's true. I mean, I know 1138 00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:39.960 that there's a greater light to rule the day, and 1139 00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:41.719 there's a lesser light to rule the night, and then 1140 00:51:41.719 --> 00:51:43.199 there's there's stars above. 1141 00:51:43.639 --> 00:51:46.320 Yeah, but what outside of that could be true? And 1142 00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:48.440 what what could be could. 1143 00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:50.960 They know that Isaiah forty twenty two does say that 1144 00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:53.639 it is he who sitteth upon the circle of the ears. 1145 00:51:53.719 --> 00:51:56.599 So God's thrown is above the firmament. Ezekiel one twenty 1146 00:51:56.599 --> 00:51:58.800 six says that God's thrown is above the firmament. Right. 1147 00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:01.159 It says that, I think, yeah, so that's a vision. 1148 00:52:01.199 --> 00:52:03.199 The visions come, you know, if you look at numbers 1149 00:52:03.199 --> 00:52:05.599 twelve versus four to three, it says that you know, 1150 00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:08.400 God comes to to them in visions and the dreams 1151 00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:10.519 to prophets. Right, so that's coming from God. Right, so 1152 00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:14.199 we had to the earth, And definitely I believe it 1153 00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:17.000 is thrown us above the firmament. 1154 00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:19.000 But I guess my point being is like, did. 1155 00:52:18.880 --> 00:52:20.840 There's how big is the circle? Is what you're saying? 1156 00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:23.039 How big is the circle? Could be way bigger than 1157 00:52:23.039 --> 00:52:26.039 you could ever know. And and even I mean there 1158 00:52:26.119 --> 00:52:27.960 is actually versus that kind of speak to that is 1159 00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:30.119 about how far the ends of the earth are, and 1160 00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:32.880 then how how great the heavens are, how far they 1161 00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:38.119 stretch out. Yeah, So that all that being said, no, 1162 00:52:38.440 --> 00:52:41.679 do you not try to attach that map that model 1163 00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:43.239 to me and then say. 1164 00:52:43.639 --> 00:52:47.519 Man, bro forces, let God be true. Every man a liar. 1165 00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:50.760 So it's made by man. Obviously there's gonna be air 1166 00:52:50.840 --> 00:52:52.440 in it. Dude, God didn't make the map. 1167 00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:54.400 I think the way I think the way that I 1168 00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:57.320 read the Bible, especially in the Book of job when 1169 00:52:57.360 --> 00:53:01.480 it's like when God is challenging job on like all 1170 00:53:01.559 --> 00:53:05.079 the processes of the earth, even I read in yeah, 1171 00:53:05.079 --> 00:53:09.199 when he's Also when you're reading in the Book of Enoch, 1172 00:53:09.519 --> 00:53:12.119 when Enoch's taken to all these different places to see 1173 00:53:12.119 --> 00:53:14.840 the different processes of the Earth and the and the 1174 00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:17.679 links in the and the where the circuits of the 1175 00:53:17.719 --> 00:53:20.679 sun and the and the celestials go, and things like that, 1176 00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:25.400 it's very mysterious. It's I think it's meant to be 1177 00:53:25.599 --> 00:53:28.039 like that, Like we're not meant to note all the 1178 00:53:28.079 --> 00:53:30.320 ins and outs and how it all works. It's just 1179 00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:33.320 like it's a faith thing. But it's weird to me 1180 00:53:33.559 --> 00:53:35.440 like that, And I think that's why I'm saying like that. 1181 00:53:36.440 --> 00:53:39.800 It's troubling to me to see how it's It was 1182 00:53:39.880 --> 00:53:41.920 always meant to be used in this way. I think 1183 00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:43.599 like this was always the intent. 1184 00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:49.159 It created a huge talking point for the globe Earth 1185 00:53:49.239 --> 00:53:52.440 people when it comes to debates they're gonna lean. 1186 00:53:52.320 --> 00:53:54.400 On that is exactly what I'm gonna. 1187 00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:58.119 Lean on this like no tomorrow and everybody that's not 1188 00:53:58.159 --> 00:54:00.880 even involved in this debate, when once they hear someone 1189 00:54:01.039 --> 00:54:03.679 even bring up the word flat, that's already been gonna 1190 00:54:03.880 --> 00:54:07.079 immediately go to the twenty four hours son and I 1191 00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:10.599 will say it'd It will make it so that people 1192 00:54:10.639 --> 00:54:13.360 will not even want to even look into it and 1193 00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:16.000 at all. Now that if they haven't looked. 1194 00:54:15.800 --> 00:54:17.440 Into it at all, that's my that's my. 1195 00:54:17.360 --> 00:54:18.800 Person closed that door for them. 1196 00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:22.119 Yeah, that's my personal experience is because you like, you 1197 00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:23.880 know the videos I make? 1198 00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:26.679 I mean, how many how many videos. 1199 00:54:26.199 --> 00:54:29.559 Do I make where I talk about the shape of 1200 00:54:29.559 --> 00:54:32.320 the Earth's biblical cosmology or anything. It's not that I'm 1201 00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:34.239 afraid of that topic, but you see, like you see 1202 00:54:34.239 --> 00:54:35.000 the content I make. 1203 00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:36.800 But you got, bro, you got a lot of different 1204 00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:40.519 stuff going already. Yeah, well that you see me on 1205 00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:42.039 the show at one time, and I know if you 1206 00:54:42.360 --> 00:54:44.880 had a show just recently where you guys were talking 1207 00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:47.079 about it, but yeah you're not you're not focused on that, 1208 00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:48.519 but ane concerned. 1209 00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:51.079 No, But it's like, so I make lots of videos 1210 00:54:51.079 --> 00:54:53.440 about other things that I find interesting, and it's like 1211 00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:56.480 that's that's obviously one of the things. Yeah, and it's 1212 00:54:56.519 --> 00:54:58.360 kind of almost like baked in the cake at this point. 1213 00:54:58.360 --> 00:55:00.400 This is kind of I believe in biblical cosmo. I'm 1214 00:55:00.400 --> 00:55:02.840 not sure how all the process work. I've never been 1215 00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:05.840 trying to get smart enough to debate it versus anybody. 1216 00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:09.280 I think debate shows are cringe. I don't want to 1217 00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:12.599 be like that. So then when somebody immediately tries to say, 1218 00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:15.239 I need to get your mind right now because you're 1219 00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:19.280 wrong about this, It's like, where did you come from? 1220 00:55:20.440 --> 00:55:23.280 Like that's not like you know, you're not trying to 1221 00:55:23.360 --> 00:55:25.840 like so to me, it felt like somebody was trying 1222 00:55:25.880 --> 00:55:28.880 to use a weapon against me. And that's why I thought, 1223 00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:31.800 what do you mean? It's the final experience, And so 1224 00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:33.679 that I starts to really kind of unpeel the onion, 1225 00:55:33.679 --> 00:55:37.079 where like the final experiment, Wait, so with this is 1226 00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:38.239 the bunks the flat Earth? 1227 00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:39.199 If if this is true? 1228 00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:41.119 Because I didn't even even I didn't even really looked 1229 00:55:41.119 --> 00:55:44.719 into it this experiment at all, and then I realized 1230 00:55:44.760 --> 00:55:47.000 it's like, oh, so this is what they're saying, and Okay, 1231 00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:50.440 so this is why now the Bible's wrong, I guess. 1232 00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:51.760 I mean, because that's basically what they were. 1233 00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:54.199 This guy was trying to tell me, and I'm like, 1234 00:55:55.559 --> 00:55:57.239 get out of here, you know, like, and I've that's 1235 00:55:57.400 --> 00:56:00.199 and I think that's what was like immediately, like in 1236 00:56:00.199 --> 00:56:03.000 my spirit was like troubled by this because I because 1237 00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:04.599 I could kind of see now broll. 1238 00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:06.800 Yes, I was like, well, I was glued to this, bro. 1239 00:56:06.920 --> 00:56:09.000 The reason why I mean, I like I said, I 1240 00:56:09.039 --> 00:56:11.840 am teaching this subject like crazy, but I want to 1241 00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:14.079 make sure that I see what happens because I don't 1242 00:56:14.079 --> 00:56:16.079 want to I don't want to marry the two together, 1243 00:56:16.079 --> 00:56:17.800 but I don't want I don't want the final experiment 1244 00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:19.599 to happen to own now all the Bible verses I've 1245 00:56:19.599 --> 00:56:21.079 gone over are wrong. I don't want people to think 1246 00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:22.719 that at all, Bro, So I need to be prepared. 1247 00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:22.920 You know. 1248 00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:25.119 Well, it's kind of like, well, it's kind of like that, 1249 00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:26.360 that's what I was saying. 1250 00:56:26.400 --> 00:56:30.559 It's it's it's sort of ridiculous to think that just 1251 00:56:30.760 --> 00:56:33.719 on the title, and I think I honestly I would. Yeah, 1252 00:56:33.760 --> 00:56:36.159 you need to talk to Dnodal and say why did 1253 00:56:36.159 --> 00:56:38.920 you say that? Because you present all this evidence of 1254 00:56:38.960 --> 00:56:42.400 no curvature, water not sticking to a spinning ball, all 1255 00:56:42.440 --> 00:56:46.079 the things you believe about the celestials and the North 1256 00:56:46.199 --> 00:56:48.280 Star and all this stuff, and then so then the 1257 00:56:48.320 --> 00:56:51.159 sun goes round and everything you just said was all 1258 00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:52.320 was all bs. 1259 00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:54.440 So now you've finally found curvature. 1260 00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:57.000 You finally like water does stick stick to a spelling 1261 00:56:57.079 --> 00:56:57.800 ball exactly. 1262 00:56:58.000 --> 00:56:59.360 It doesn't prove anything you don't believe in. 1263 00:56:59.360 --> 00:57:03.280 It don't hermit anymore, you know what I mean? Like, like, 1264 00:57:03.320 --> 00:57:03.920 what are you talking? 1265 00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:04.079 Like? 1266 00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:05.760 You know what I'm saying like that? Why did you 1267 00:57:05.840 --> 00:57:06.320 say that? 1268 00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:09.719 Because I think that's what to me would be like. 1269 00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:12.400 So we've already established what the Bible says. 1270 00:57:12.840 --> 00:57:13.400 We do have. 1271 00:57:13.400 --> 00:57:16.719 Empirical evidence about like potentially the shape of the Earth 1272 00:57:16.800 --> 00:57:18.960 and like the lack of curvature, and like why you 1273 00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:23.400 can see things over the horizon with the right Oh yeah, 1274 00:57:23.400 --> 00:57:25.679 a kind of all kinds of things like I think 1275 00:57:26.000 --> 00:57:30.719 to me, I always my one of my greatest like 1276 00:57:30.920 --> 00:57:33.559 kind of clues of what this place would be more like, 1277 00:57:33.599 --> 00:57:37.519 would was the was the constellations? You you cannot you 1278 00:57:37.559 --> 00:57:39.920 would never be able to prove to me that we 1279 00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:41.760 are spinning around the sun. 1280 00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:44.880 The Sun's spinning, everything's going up. 1281 00:57:44.760 --> 00:57:47.239 To millions of miles an hour, and then all the 1282 00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:49.280 constellations remain constant every year. 1283 00:57:50.639 --> 00:57:51.960 No way now. 1284 00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:56.199 Because those things would well, then those things would be 1285 00:57:56.199 --> 00:57:58.559 moving too, right in our galaxies going like million a 1286 00:57:58.599 --> 00:58:00.639 million miles an hour, So like you're one. 1287 00:58:00.480 --> 00:58:02.800 Point three million miles in our expansion. 1288 00:58:02.920 --> 00:58:07.079 Right, right, So that's happening and all those other you 1289 00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:10.400 have to conclude right that all the other solar systems 1290 00:58:10.519 --> 00:58:13.880 or whatever are doing the same thing. Right, So if 1291 00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:16.280 that's happening, like, how do how did the stars stay 1292 00:58:16.280 --> 00:58:16.760 where they're at? 1293 00:58:17.159 --> 00:58:17.360 Yeah? 1294 00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:20.840 So to me, it's like the rotation of the celestials 1295 00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:23.920 obviously does not tell you a lot about the shape 1296 00:58:23.960 --> 00:58:25.400 of the of the ground you're on. 1297 00:58:25.599 --> 00:58:28.199 Yeah, everything celestial. I think what they did this is 1298 00:58:28.199 --> 00:58:29.760 what I think they did when they when they made 1299 00:58:29.800 --> 00:58:32.480 the globe model. They made it from what the stars, 1300 00:58:32.599 --> 00:58:35.280 what the celestials do, which are the stars, the Sun 1301 00:58:35.360 --> 00:58:37.639 and the moon, what they do. That's I think how 1302 00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:41.559 they created the globe model, not because of Aristotle, like 1303 00:58:41.599 --> 00:58:43.800 all the stuff that they said were you know, the 1304 00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:46.800 sticks and shadows. Dude, they just took whatever this whatever's 1305 00:58:46.800 --> 00:58:49.360 going on up there and they made the globe. That's 1306 00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:53.199 what I think happened. Yeah, and then that's terrestrial. We're 1307 00:58:53.239 --> 00:58:55.679 seeing that it's flat. You know, we're seeing stuff from 1308 00:58:55.679 --> 00:58:57.559 fifty miles away, We're seeing stuff from two hundred and 1309 00:58:57.599 --> 00:59:00.840 fifty miles away. We're seeing stuff. Everything terrestrial, it seems flat. 1310 00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:04.559 Everything that is celestial? What is what they use in 1311 00:59:04.639 --> 00:59:07.239 the debates? They use the everything celestial? Why is this 1312 00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:09.559 thing going doing this? Why is this doing that? Why 1313 00:59:09.599 --> 00:59:11.519 is there a twenty four hour sun? Why is everything 1314 00:59:11.559 --> 00:59:13.840 that's celestial? I think they're trying to use to make 1315 00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:17.719 the globe But everything that's measured from the Earth terrestrial. 1316 00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:21.320 It's flat. It's flat and don't move. It's flat and 1317 00:59:21.400 --> 00:59:21.920 doesn't move. 1318 00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:25.320 So yeah, so that being said, okay, so if I 1319 00:59:25.400 --> 00:59:28.960 went down there and I saw the sun in the 1320 00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:32.440 sky the whole day, long day and night saw day 1321 00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:35.960 and night, then it would not be the final experiment. 1322 00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:37.519 But I would say, yeah that I would say that 1323 00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:40.880 based on that that AE map, that model. 1324 00:59:40.599 --> 00:59:41.440 Has been debunked. 1325 00:59:41.719 --> 00:59:44.119 Yeah, it doesn't mean one hundred percent of it's been debunked, 1326 00:59:43.960 --> 00:59:48.119 but obviously how the celestials move on that map wrong? Yeah, 1327 00:59:48.159 --> 00:59:50.800 So so that has been so then obviously now you 1328 00:59:50.880 --> 00:59:53.519 have more experiments to do because you've already kind of 1329 00:59:53.599 --> 00:59:56.280 established it like that there's no curve based on what 1330 00:59:56.320 --> 00:59:59.000 they say that what is the eight inches per miles 1331 00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:03.320 squared all? Yeah, so that that's obviously clearly been debunked 1332 01:00:03.480 --> 01:00:06.519 a long time ago, you know, obviously just the idea 1333 01:00:06.559 --> 01:00:09.760 of like that, did you know? The point being is 1334 01:00:09.800 --> 01:00:12.840 like did and here's and here's why, I like, maybe 1335 01:00:12.840 --> 01:00:14.440 we should just get into the nuts and bolts of 1336 01:00:14.480 --> 01:00:17.440 like the things that people are calling up for being sketchy. Yeah, 1337 01:00:17.440 --> 01:00:21.760 but here's what I would say, is that, And here's 1338 01:00:21.800 --> 01:00:24.360 why I would not have gone. Here's why I would 1339 01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:29.559 not have gone because with that title right with First 1340 01:00:29.599 --> 01:00:31.000 of all, yeah, I mean I wouldn't go with I 1341 01:00:31.000 --> 01:00:33.199 would go with people I knew and I trusted. Yeah, 1342 01:00:33.239 --> 01:00:35.239 obviously I could. There was a lot of reason to 1343 01:00:35.280 --> 01:00:37.719 be skeptical of these people, especially like this guy Will Duffy, 1344 01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:41.159 because he's a liar. You know, he lied once, he's 1345 01:00:41.159 --> 01:00:43.519 a liar. We're all we've all lied, we've all been liars. 1346 01:00:43.559 --> 01:00:46.639 But point being is like he did it very publicly. Okay, 1347 01:00:46.679 --> 01:00:50.079 So with that being said, if they went down there 1348 01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:52.960 and they did not see a twenty four hour son, 1349 01:00:53.840 --> 01:00:55.639 would that prove the flat earth? 1350 01:00:56.360 --> 01:00:59.039 Dude? If they went this is what I said. If 1351 01:00:59.079 --> 01:01:00.920 you go down there and you don't and you see 1352 01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:05.679 that sunset, you ain't coming back. Well right, that's right. Yeah, 1353 01:01:06.119 --> 01:01:10.800 the woman back bro the point they proved the globe, 1354 01:01:10.800 --> 01:01:13.679 that would prove the globe wrong. They're not gonna lie 1355 01:01:13.800 --> 01:01:15.480 to come back, bro, you know what I mean? 1356 01:01:15.480 --> 01:01:18.280 Well, my point is is like even speculation, but even 1357 01:01:18.320 --> 01:01:20.639 if it proved the globe wrong, it would not prove 1358 01:01:20.679 --> 01:01:21.360 the flat Earth. 1359 01:01:21.440 --> 01:01:23.079 Right, No, it wouldn't. 1360 01:01:23.840 --> 01:01:26.840 And again and honestly would not disprove I wouldn't necessarily 1361 01:01:26.840 --> 01:01:29.039 would even say it would disprove the globe. It would 1362 01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:32.280 disprove the current model they've got in the same way. 1363 01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:36.280 The helios would disprove the heliocentric model. 1364 01:01:36.039 --> 01:01:37.840 It would disapprove it in a certain way. 1365 01:01:38.199 --> 01:01:39.920 Well, my point is like you could say that, and 1366 01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:42.360 I could believe you, But I'm saying like that, would 1367 01:01:42.400 --> 01:01:45.000 people who believe in the globe conclude that? 1368 01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:45.400 Yeah? 1369 01:01:45.440 --> 01:01:46.960 What would everybody on Earth say? 1370 01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:51.519 Okay, you know what, since that happened, since will Duffy 1371 01:01:51.639 --> 01:01:55.159 is true, saw that the Earth the sun set in 1372 01:01:55.559 --> 01:01:57.639 Antarctica in December. 1373 01:01:58.239 --> 01:02:01.599 Therefore, yeah, the globe has been debunked. 1374 01:02:01.840 --> 01:02:04.280 Do you think anyone would agree with that? So, like, so, 1375 01:02:04.360 --> 01:02:07.559 what you've really done is you had not a lot 1376 01:02:07.599 --> 01:02:12.599 to gain and you had everything to lose by going 1377 01:02:12.639 --> 01:02:14.920 there saying it's the final experiment. So if you see it, 1378 01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:18.199 which obviously lots of people have said for a long time. 1379 01:02:18.440 --> 01:02:20.239 Even I thought I saw this video from Eric Debay 1380 01:02:20.280 --> 01:02:23.039 saying that I guess these flat earthers from. 1381 01:02:22.880 --> 01:02:25.480 Like I can't remember, it was like eighteen hundreds. Yeah, 1382 01:02:25.480 --> 01:02:26.239 the eighteen hundreds. 1383 01:02:26.239 --> 01:02:28.880 They all they actually wrote in there that they believe 1384 01:02:28.920 --> 01:02:31.119 that that could be possibility. So they weren't like, so 1385 01:02:31.239 --> 01:02:34.320 this idea is not new, No, you know, this is 1386 01:02:34.360 --> 01:02:36.599 not like this is this is obviously again so this 1387 01:02:36.639 --> 01:02:38.960 is not a final experiment. This is something that's that's 1388 01:02:39.039 --> 01:02:42.679 kind of been known. So to me, what I was 1389 01:02:42.719 --> 01:02:46.079 really troubled by was the fact that if I was 1390 01:02:46.119 --> 01:02:48.199 one of those guys, I would be obviously screaming to 1391 01:02:48.280 --> 01:02:53.440 the to the rooftop saying, hey, I'm open to the possibility. Yes, 1392 01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:57.199 it would debunk this current map, this current model. But 1393 01:02:58.119 --> 01:03:01.360 here's my possibilities. If I you see it. So when 1394 01:03:01.400 --> 01:03:03.880 you're down there and you see it, now you're actually 1395 01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:05.639 can be can you know? 1396 01:03:05.679 --> 01:03:06.199 Can you can? 1397 01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:09.360 Yeah? Jared, Jared I can? He was leaning. He was 1398 01:03:09.400 --> 01:03:12.400 basically he was saying because Jaren has been but he's 1399 01:03:12.400 --> 01:03:15.440 not a biblical cosmologist, bro, He's a flat earther and 1400 01:03:15.480 --> 01:03:17.920 he is the A map was what he was depending on, 1401 01:03:17.960 --> 01:03:20.960 saying that the flights work. And and now Jared, this 1402 01:03:21.199 --> 01:03:24.679 is kind of uh, you know at this moment, is 1403 01:03:24.760 --> 01:03:28.440 believing more it being a globe. Just to be honest. 1404 01:03:28.639 --> 01:03:30.599 You know, even on his show, I think he is. 1405 01:03:30.639 --> 01:03:33.320 You know, he sounds like he sounds like a grifter. 1406 01:03:34.079 --> 01:03:34.280 Yeah. 1407 01:03:34.280 --> 01:03:36.239 I just how much money did he make on it 1408 01:03:36.280 --> 01:03:37.880 being flat? 1409 01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:39.039 Well he was doing it? 1410 01:03:39.079 --> 01:03:40.519 Now is he going to go on shows now? And 1411 01:03:40.519 --> 01:03:41.559 he's going to debate the flatter? 1412 01:03:41.639 --> 01:03:43.519 So like I said, you're gonna say all these proofs 1413 01:03:43.519 --> 01:03:46.599 that you had for it being flat versus this one, 1414 01:03:47.079 --> 01:03:51.599 this one observation is going to destroy every Yeah, because 1415 01:03:51.599 --> 01:03:52.320 you're saying like that. 1416 01:03:52.599 --> 01:03:55.159 It's because he's well, he's one thing he is being 1417 01:03:55.239 --> 01:03:56.880 if everything is on the up and up, is he 1418 01:03:56.960 --> 01:04:00.920 is being honest because he based his whole everything on 1419 01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:03.800 that AE map you know, he's that's what he's been using. 1420 01:04:03.880 --> 01:04:05.760 So he is being honest. If you did see the 1421 01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:09.079 twenty four Sun. He is feeling like that that map 1422 01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:12.039 has proved wrong. He feels like Eric Dubay came on 1423 01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:14.679 the scene with that map and and Eric Dubay he thinks, 1424 01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:17.280 he thinks Eric Debay's a shill, you know. So I 1425 01:04:17.320 --> 01:04:21.039 just think it gets interesting. But we meet JT. Josh Monday. 1426 01:04:21.360 --> 01:04:25.599 We are not flat earthers. I am Biblical cosmologists. That's 1427 01:04:25.599 --> 01:04:27.519 what I've said, you know, very beginning. 1428 01:04:27.559 --> 01:04:28.239 You hate the name. 1429 01:04:28.280 --> 01:04:31.119 It sounds it sounds stid, it sounds stupid. It's I 1430 01:04:31.119 --> 01:04:32.679 think it's designed to sound stupid. 1431 01:04:33.400 --> 01:04:37.239 Yeah, it's it's something that uh yeah. I that's why 1432 01:04:37.239 --> 01:04:40.519 I always use biblical cosmology because if you're Christian and 1433 01:04:40.559 --> 01:04:43.480 you hear what I talk about biblical cosmology, wise, if 1434 01:04:43.519 --> 01:04:45.960 you believe the Bible, you're gonna believe that that's that's 1435 01:04:46.039 --> 01:04:48.280 what it says, you know what I mean. So it's different. 1436 01:04:48.400 --> 01:04:52.320 But there are some verses, you know, like there's there's 1437 01:04:52.440 --> 01:04:55.079 that talks about the ends of the Earth or like 1438 01:04:55.119 --> 01:04:58.239 the limits of the of the seas. Joe thirty eight 1439 01:04:58.280 --> 01:05:00.320 twelve says that when when he prepared to have Evans, 1440 01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:02.400 I was there he drew a circle on the face 1441 01:05:02.400 --> 01:05:04.840 of the deep. Actually that's not that's Proverbs. I'm sorry. 1442 01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:06.639 It says when he prepared the heavens, I was there, 1443 01:05:06.800 --> 01:05:08.559 when he drew a circle on the face of the deep, 1444 01:05:08.599 --> 01:05:11.480 when he established the clouds above, when he strengthened the 1445 01:05:11.480 --> 01:05:13.880 fountains of the of the deep, when he assigned the 1446 01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:17.519 seas it's limits. Uh, you know, so where where it 1447 01:05:17.519 --> 01:05:19.480 cannot transgress? Right? So there? 1448 01:05:19.559 --> 01:05:21.760 Yeah, but I mean again the like obviously, so where's 1449 01:05:21.800 --> 01:05:23.159 the where it is the sea? 1450 01:05:23.480 --> 01:05:24.440 Where's the limits? 1451 01:05:24.599 --> 01:05:26.960 Yeah, so that's something that maybe someone would say the 1452 01:05:27.000 --> 01:05:29.480 limits or Antarctica, you know, on the outside of the ice. 1453 01:05:29.519 --> 01:05:31.960 Well again that that would be based on a limited view. 1454 01:05:32.039 --> 01:05:34.159 Yes, it could be, but obviously there could be limits 1455 01:05:34.159 --> 01:05:36.960 outside of where there's further right, yeah, right, there could be. 1456 01:05:37.039 --> 01:05:38.199 There could be all kinds again if. 1457 01:05:38.119 --> 01:05:41.519 There was those, if there is multiple layers of this 1458 01:05:41.519 --> 01:05:45.000 this place. Even the funny thing about when people say 1459 01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:47.559 the ends of the earth, you know where the end 1460 01:05:47.559 --> 01:05:51.239 of the earth is, Josh, do I know? Yeah, yeah, 1461 01:05:51.239 --> 01:05:52.400 I can tell you where. I can tell you where 1462 01:05:52.400 --> 01:05:54.440 the end of the earth is I go, I go 1463 01:05:54.559 --> 01:05:57.719 drive east and I get to the end. Yeah, then 1464 01:05:57.760 --> 01:05:58.679 the sea starts. 1465 01:05:58.920 --> 01:06:01.280 Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know it's kind of almost like that. 1466 01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:04.840 You know, Biblically, the earth is not a ball, it's 1467 01:06:04.880 --> 01:06:07.199 not a globe. The earth and the sea are not 1468 01:06:07.280 --> 01:06:09.920 the same thing. The earth is where you stand. It's 1469 01:06:09.920 --> 01:06:13.159 the dry land, and the sea is something different. That's 1470 01:06:13.159 --> 01:06:18.039 what people are. So that's what they've they've these these people, 1471 01:06:19.719 --> 01:06:24.519 these these scientists have taught people to read stuff into 1472 01:06:24.559 --> 01:06:27.000 the Bible that's not there. It's it's actually very clear. 1473 01:06:27.039 --> 01:06:30.079 It's like, what is the earth. I'll reach down and 1474 01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:31.719 grab it in my hand and I'll pick it up 1475 01:06:31.719 --> 01:06:33.199 and I'll show it to you. Here's a bunch of 1476 01:06:33.239 --> 01:06:37.159 earth in my hand. The earth is the dry land. 1477 01:06:37.360 --> 01:06:40.360 So the ends of the earth is where where the 1478 01:06:40.400 --> 01:06:41.079 sea starts. 1479 01:06:41.599 --> 01:06:41.920 I think that. 1480 01:06:42.159 --> 01:06:44.599 So it's kind of like that. These things are actually 1481 01:06:44.760 --> 01:06:47.920 very clear and easy to understand. It's not saying like 1482 01:06:47.960 --> 01:06:50.960 that there's an edge, that the water's falling off and 1483 01:06:51.000 --> 01:06:53.519 stuff like that. That's what the flat earth society has 1484 01:06:53.519 --> 01:06:56.880 brought you. And that's why it's dumb to go under 1485 01:06:56.880 --> 01:06:58.800 that label of flat earth when we already know that 1486 01:06:58.840 --> 01:07:01.480 the flat Earth society as a sy op that is 1487 01:07:01.480 --> 01:07:04.320 what you're supposed to make everyone looks so stupid who 1488 01:07:04.360 --> 01:07:08.039 says they believe it? Because that's why they showed normies 1489 01:07:08.239 --> 01:07:10.840 this floating pizza box or a floating pizza disc. In 1490 01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:16.079 outer space, everything almost remained the same, except for there's 1491 01:07:16.239 --> 01:07:18.440 like a quarter in the sky like in the in 1492 01:07:18.480 --> 01:07:20.280 the an outer space, it is. 1493 01:07:21.400 --> 01:07:23.159 Water dropping off of it. 1494 01:07:23.159 --> 01:07:26.239 It's ridiculous, and it's meant to be ridiculous. So when 1495 01:07:26.280 --> 01:07:30.280 you when you associate yourself with that, now you seem stupid. 1496 01:07:31.239 --> 01:07:33.719 I think that the one thing I've always liked about 1497 01:07:33.760 --> 01:07:36.800 I guess maybe certain people who are flat earth or 1498 01:07:36.800 --> 01:07:39.800 as their Biblical cosmologists, is when they get asked certain 1499 01:07:39.840 --> 01:07:43.039 questions and they say, I'm not sure we have we 1500 01:07:43.039 --> 01:07:45.760 we don't claim to have answers for everything. Yea, you know, 1501 01:07:45.960 --> 01:07:47.639 like you kind of want to strengthen your side where 1502 01:07:47.639 --> 01:07:51.039 you're saying, like, I would rather pick at your model 1503 01:07:51.320 --> 01:07:53.440 because this is supposedly the accepted model. 1504 01:07:53.719 --> 01:07:54.320 That's what they do. 1505 01:07:54.440 --> 01:07:58.400 Yeah, I don't feel I don't feel any compulsion to 1506 01:07:58.480 --> 01:08:01.559 try to prove with the Bible says, because I know 1507 01:08:01.639 --> 01:08:03.719 lots of these things are supposed to be taken in faith. 1508 01:08:04.599 --> 01:08:06.519 So like, that's why even get into like something like 1509 01:08:06.559 --> 01:08:09.320 nine to eleven. I think, I think you get into 1510 01:08:09.320 --> 01:08:12.400 the weeds when you try to debate how how like 1511 01:08:12.760 --> 01:08:17.399 at what temperature does the beams melt? I always just say, 1512 01:08:17.479 --> 01:08:20.079 let's go to the strongest part of our argument is saying, Hey, 1513 01:08:20.119 --> 01:08:21.239 you ever heard of Building seven? 1514 01:08:21.319 --> 01:08:23.800 Did you ever see felt the building one six too? 1515 01:08:24.119 --> 01:08:24.319 Yeah? 1516 01:08:24.439 --> 01:08:26.439 The ones that they get hit by the flant six? Yeah, 1517 01:08:26.680 --> 01:08:28.479 the one that didn't get hit by the plane. It's like, 1518 01:08:28.560 --> 01:08:30.520 isn't that weird? How that one just fell? And then 1519 01:08:31.119 --> 01:08:33.720 I want you I'm talking about right, so I want 1520 01:08:33.960 --> 01:08:37.000 explain that. I want you to explain those things. And 1521 01:08:37.039 --> 01:08:38.960 that's why I was saying like that, if I have 1522 01:08:39.199 --> 01:08:43.920 very strong arguments on the on biblical cosmology, what the 1523 01:08:43.920 --> 01:08:46.520 Bible does say about it, Well, I'm going to say, 1524 01:08:46.560 --> 01:08:51.039 like that disproves your model. Right there, I would say 1525 01:08:51.039 --> 01:08:53.319 that that does just the fact that the North Star 1526 01:08:53.399 --> 01:08:56.359 does not move, yeah, disproves. 1527 01:08:55.720 --> 01:08:56.560 The globe model. 1528 01:08:56.880 --> 01:08:58.640 Yeah, I say, without a doubt. 1529 01:08:59.039 --> 01:09:00.920 Oh, it's just really far away and doesn't look like 1530 01:09:00.960 --> 01:09:01.359 it moves. 1531 01:09:01.800 --> 01:09:04.239 Everything is spinning like a million miles an hour. And 1532 01:09:04.239 --> 01:09:06.640 then but but that's far away, so it doesn't look 1533 01:09:06.720 --> 01:09:07.199 like it moves. 1534 01:09:07.439 --> 01:09:09.399 Yeah. 1535 01:09:09.720 --> 01:09:13.319 Whatever, So I say that observation that almost everybody can 1536 01:09:13.359 --> 01:09:18.560 observe is way stronger than twenty four dudes going down 1537 01:09:18.560 --> 01:09:20.439 to Antarctica and seeing the sun do something. 1538 01:09:20.800 --> 01:09:24.000 Yeah, yeah, I think. Yeah, so it gets interesting. And 1539 01:09:24.079 --> 01:09:26.640 when I what I do with when I'm debating, you know, 1540 01:09:26.920 --> 01:09:29.920 biblical cosmology is is I just go straight to scripture 1541 01:09:30.000 --> 01:09:32.479 after scripture after scripture after scripture, and that's what I 1542 01:09:32.520 --> 01:09:34.479 stick with. And then when so much has to go 1543 01:09:34.560 --> 01:09:36.279 over to science and go over to that, I'm like, ay, 1544 01:09:36.279 --> 01:09:39.840 brolet's and and you will never ever ever see anybody 1545 01:09:39.840 --> 01:09:42.079 that backs up the globe as a Christian go verse 1546 01:09:42.119 --> 01:09:45.960 after verse after verse explaining the globe because it cannot happen. 1547 01:09:47.159 --> 01:09:47.560 No. 1548 01:09:47.640 --> 01:09:51.279 One, verse maybe two, and that's it. And just like 1549 01:09:51.319 --> 01:09:54.640 you see the Pastor Greylock when he debated Pastor Dean Odle, 1550 01:09:54.920 --> 01:09:57.319 he literally came with two verses that didn't have nothing 1551 01:09:57.359 --> 01:10:00.640 to do with cosmology at all and started teaching other stuff. 1552 01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:03.079 So you guys can see it. Man, I've debated people 1553 01:10:03.079 --> 01:10:05.840 on my show. I've debated Peter Markley, which I respect. 1554 01:10:05.920 --> 01:10:08.079 We had a good time talking. But we were trying 1555 01:10:08.119 --> 01:10:11.000 to debate whether the Bible teaches cosmology in the first place, 1556 01:10:11.159 --> 01:10:14.760 and and uh, I went the who, what, when, where, 1557 01:10:14.760 --> 01:10:17.359 and why of exactly what the Bible says about cosmology, 1558 01:10:17.720 --> 01:10:21.760 and it's they still don't believe it. So anyways, it happens, bro. 1559 01:10:21.800 --> 01:10:23.439 But yeah, I agree with you, man, there's a lot 1560 01:10:23.479 --> 01:10:26.000 of things that we could see, uh, that we could 1561 01:10:26.039 --> 01:10:29.079 go with and and just dissect their their model, you know, 1562 01:10:29.399 --> 01:10:31.520 instead of you wanted an article, but go ahead, what's up? 1563 01:10:31.600 --> 01:10:33.800 Do you want to get into the to the sketchy. 1564 01:10:33.359 --> 01:10:36.000 Stuff we can, Yes, let's do it, man, we could 1565 01:10:36.039 --> 01:10:39.000 do it. Yeah, let's get into the stuff that that 1566 01:10:39.000 --> 01:10:41.479 that the big talking points of everybody's you know, the 1567 01:10:41.840 --> 01:10:45.439 King Nicos, the uh modern Banjos and and what these 1568 01:10:45.439 --> 01:10:46.279 gentlemen are going over. 1569 01:10:46.359 --> 01:10:49.279 Go ahead, bro, okay, well, let's just let's just talk 1570 01:10:49.279 --> 01:10:51.039 about the Bate Gate because I think to me, this 1571 01:10:51.199 --> 01:10:53.960 was like for for lack of veture, this was the 1572 01:10:54.000 --> 01:10:57.279 smoking gun where I was like, I don't know what 1573 01:10:57.359 --> 01:10:59.439 I I don't know what's true and what's not true, 1574 01:11:00.239 --> 01:11:02.119 but I do know what I just saw. And I 1575 01:11:02.159 --> 01:11:06.439 saw the King Niko video where he showed that that 1576 01:11:06.600 --> 01:11:09.279 wits it. Who Obviously, there was this big debate about 1577 01:11:09.279 --> 01:11:11.119 whether it was cold enough to see his breath or 1578 01:11:11.119 --> 01:11:16.000 it was too dry. He blew out some vapor or 1579 01:11:16.079 --> 01:11:17.920 his breath. You could see his breath at one point. 1580 01:11:18.039 --> 01:11:21.560 And then I saw the video of him walking, turning 1581 01:11:21.600 --> 01:11:24.840 off his camera, playing some music, and then walking to 1582 01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:28.760 it to the trailer, coming out very clearly appearing to 1583 01:11:29.359 --> 01:11:32.319 put something to his mouth, and then he walks over, 1584 01:11:32.479 --> 01:11:35.520 sets it down, and then turns the camera and blows 1585 01:11:35.600 --> 01:11:38.399 into it. What's up now? And then he tries to 1586 01:11:38.399 --> 01:11:40.840 blow again, and he doesn't blow it. He hardly blows 1587 01:11:40.880 --> 01:11:42.840 anything out, and then he walks over and gets the snow. 1588 01:11:43.239 --> 01:11:47.640 Yeah, yea, I have a heart live. I watched this live, 1589 01:11:47.800 --> 01:11:50.640 just just letting you guys know. I watched his because dude, 1590 01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:53.039 I was following this thing like a hawk. I saw 1591 01:11:53.079 --> 01:11:56.039 what's it's live? I kept checking Jared, I kept checking 1592 01:11:56.039 --> 01:11:58.319 what's it? Finally he was live cool, and I literally 1593 01:11:58.399 --> 01:12:01.560 watched him. I watched it. And one thing you guys 1594 01:12:01.600 --> 01:12:04.039 got to know, and he knows, and so does Jared, 1595 01:12:04.119 --> 01:12:07.239 that dude, there's conspiracy theories. Bro. We're not just people 1596 01:12:07.279 --> 01:12:11.680 that aren't gonna believe anybody. It don't matter if you're there. 1597 01:12:12.720 --> 01:12:14.600 You should you should, you should like yeah, because I 1598 01:12:14.680 --> 01:12:15.000 think they. 1599 01:12:17.119 --> 01:12:20.199 Was this right here. He turned the camera off. He 1600 01:12:20.239 --> 01:12:23.279 went because that that made me right away go why 1601 01:12:23.279 --> 01:12:25.640 do he turn the camera off? He was taking live 1602 01:12:25.720 --> 01:12:29.359 questions for example, okay, live questions. He opened, he put 1603 01:12:29.399 --> 01:12:31.960 his head up or as glasses up, which they had 1604 01:12:32.039 --> 01:12:33.800 glasses on the whole time. You can't see their eyes, 1605 01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:36.680 which is very interesting. But he's looking and and someone 1606 01:12:36.720 --> 01:12:39.600 said pick up snow and he goes, oh, all right, 1607 01:12:39.720 --> 01:12:41.640 And he kept on trying to show he was and 1608 01:12:41.720 --> 01:12:43.720 he wasn't wearing gloves, no, and he was trying to 1609 01:12:43.760 --> 01:12:46.520 show his breath the whole time. He was like, He's like, 1610 01:12:46.560 --> 01:12:48.159 you got earlier you could see it, but he can't 1611 01:12:48.159 --> 01:12:51.199 see it now. He's like, that's weird. So anyways, uh, 1612 01:12:51.359 --> 01:12:53.159 I even showed my wife this and she doesn't believe 1613 01:12:53.159 --> 01:12:54.399 in flatter at it all and she was like, that's 1614 01:12:54.439 --> 01:12:56.960 that's sketchy. So he pauses the He says, all right, 1615 01:12:57.000 --> 01:12:58.920 I need to go get my gloves real quick. He 1616 01:12:58.960 --> 01:13:01.800 pauses the and not positive, but he puts on his 1617 01:13:01.840 --> 01:13:04.800 wife's music. Right it's it goes to black, and I 1618 01:13:04.840 --> 01:13:06.880 was like, why did he do that? Like, like, why 1619 01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:08.920 would you do that? You should have left it going 1620 01:13:09.319 --> 01:13:11.760 even if it's just blank, who cares. 1621 01:13:11.600 --> 01:13:13.600 Yeah, well you're just gonna see the background. It's just 1622 01:13:13.720 --> 01:13:14.239 no worry. 1623 01:13:14.960 --> 01:13:17.319 You got the expiracy theorists that are ready to break 1624 01:13:17.399 --> 01:13:19.680 everything you do down. And he puts he puts the 1625 01:13:19.680 --> 01:13:23.319 black screen. I go, I heard what the heck? 1626 01:13:23.560 --> 01:13:25.880 And in which supposedly he said he was trying to 1627 01:13:25.920 --> 01:13:30.239 play a video, but like he wouldn't play regardless if 1628 01:13:30.279 --> 01:13:31.680 he was trying to play a video, it would be 1629 01:13:31.720 --> 01:13:33.720 weird for him to play a video instead of just 1630 01:13:33.760 --> 01:13:36.600 seeing the background, because it wasn't like he wasn't going 1631 01:13:36.640 --> 01:13:36.960 that long. 1632 01:13:37.039 --> 01:13:39.600 Wants to see that. Everybody wants to see what's going on. 1633 01:13:39.800 --> 01:13:43.560 Everybody's watching every movement. And he puts the black screen 1634 01:13:43.640 --> 01:13:45.960 on and I was watching everything too. I went, I 1635 01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:48.159 was like, why did he do that? I even said 1636 01:13:48.199 --> 01:13:50.000 it when he did it. I was watching it live, 1637 01:13:50.039 --> 01:13:51.880 and I was like, why did he do that? And 1638 01:13:51.920 --> 01:13:55.840 then he comes back and he goes and he says, oh, 1639 01:13:56.960 --> 01:13:58.840 and you could see his breath and I'm like, what 1640 01:13:58.960 --> 01:13:59.319 the heck? 1641 01:13:59.359 --> 01:14:01.199 And then there's a lot of breath, and. 1642 01:14:01.319 --> 01:14:04.319 His second breathe out you could barely see any breath. 1643 01:14:04.399 --> 01:14:07.159 The third you can't see anything at all. And he says, oh, 1644 01:14:07.319 --> 01:14:09.119 it's hurting my lungs. I don't want to do that anymore. 1645 01:14:09.199 --> 01:14:12.000 So let's hyperanalyze this though. 1646 01:14:12.359 --> 01:14:15.479 Yeah, the way he blew out, the way he tried 1647 01:14:15.520 --> 01:14:18.840 to show his breath, he didn't go yeah like you 1648 01:14:18.880 --> 01:14:21.000 would like, you know, like how you would blow out 1649 01:14:21.039 --> 01:14:24.359 breath to blow out hot breath, because he blew out 1650 01:14:24.399 --> 01:14:25.479 like you're blowing out a candle. 1651 01:14:27.920 --> 01:14:31.399 He blew out like he was blowing out smoke. 1652 01:14:31.199 --> 01:14:34.960 Or a vapor. Yeah, very obviously he did. And I 1653 01:14:35.000 --> 01:14:37.119 know he was when you sent me a clip. I 1654 01:14:37.119 --> 01:14:39.479 guess he was debating debating Flatzoid. 1655 01:14:39.760 --> 01:14:40.720 Yeah, and he was. 1656 01:14:41.079 --> 01:14:44.159 He was saying like that Flatzoid might have saw a 1657 01:14:44.159 --> 01:14:47.000 an edited clip where he was ducking down. But the 1658 01:14:47.000 --> 01:14:49.560 thing is the King Nico one that I saw it wasn't. 1659 01:14:49.760 --> 01:14:50.960 It wasn't showing him duck down. 1660 01:14:51.119 --> 01:14:52.239 It did not look edited. 1661 01:14:52.359 --> 01:14:54.520 That one looks like that one was actually off of 1662 01:14:55.199 --> 01:14:58.760 the twenty four Hour Son of Dave mckegan. They got 1663 01:14:58.760 --> 01:15:01.840 that footage because the cameras that they were using out there, 1664 01:15:01.840 --> 01:15:04.439 which are pretty pretty awesome as they have a three 1665 01:15:04.560 --> 01:15:07.239 sixty view, so you could look around you besides looking 1666 01:15:07.279 --> 01:15:09.079 at the sun. You could use that camera to look 1667 01:15:09.079 --> 01:15:09.560 around you. 1668 01:15:09.960 --> 01:15:13.000 So he must not have known that, of course not. 1669 01:15:13.159 --> 01:15:15.000 He didn't know, no, so. 1670 01:15:14.960 --> 01:15:18.800 He So point being is he lied? 1671 01:15:19.199 --> 01:15:21.600 I mean I think I believe he lied because I 1672 01:15:21.640 --> 01:15:24.560 think it looks very clearly like he was smoking a 1673 01:15:24.600 --> 01:15:26.920 vape or puffing on a vape however you want to 1674 01:15:26.960 --> 01:15:29.640 say it, vaping on a vape. And he walked over 1675 01:15:29.680 --> 01:15:31.520 to the camera. You could see him set it down 1676 01:15:31.600 --> 01:15:34.159 right where the camera was set up. And then that's 1677 01:15:34.319 --> 01:15:36.359 immediately when he turned the screen on and blew into 1678 01:15:36.399 --> 01:15:39.000 the thing. Yeah, and it makes sense that, like you 1679 01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:42.239 could see his breath right then, and then it's kind 1680 01:15:42.279 --> 01:15:45.119 of like he went inside to take a drink, and 1681 01:15:45.159 --> 01:15:48.800 then why didn't you just bring the drink with you? Yeah, right, 1682 01:15:48.840 --> 01:15:50.640 like you could have, like if you're drinking water, which 1683 01:15:50.640 --> 01:15:52.319 I would have been drinking water probably, and then you. 1684 01:15:52.319 --> 01:15:55.119 Could have showed this is what you could have showed. Guys, 1685 01:15:55.399 --> 01:15:57.720 this is an experiment right here, and when you drink 1686 01:15:57.760 --> 01:16:00.640 water out here, you could see your breath. When you 1687 01:16:00.640 --> 01:16:02.439 don't think it, you can't see it. That's all you 1688 01:16:02.439 --> 01:16:04.640 can say. And then everybody wouldn't even thought anything about it. 1689 01:16:04.680 --> 01:16:07.520 His his lung his lungs hurt because he took it too, 1690 01:16:07.520 --> 01:16:09.319 heard of it, pull from that jewel he had. 1691 01:16:10.439 --> 01:16:13.640 It was weird. I'm gonna be honest, bro that whole 1692 01:16:13.680 --> 01:16:15.640 that whole thing right there was was a little strange. 1693 01:16:15.640 --> 01:16:15.840 Broth. 1694 01:16:16.119 --> 01:16:18.079 Does that make it that they faked the whole entire 1695 01:16:18.119 --> 01:16:20.119 trip and all the footage that Jaren has that out 1696 01:16:20.119 --> 01:16:22.640 of his gop or his body cam and everything that 1697 01:16:22.680 --> 01:16:24.880 they did is fake. Does it make the whole thing 1698 01:16:24.920 --> 01:16:25.760 fake because of that? 1699 01:16:26.079 --> 01:16:26.239 No? 1700 01:16:26.279 --> 01:16:28.640 But it did. It did. It was a little weird. Man. 1701 01:16:28.680 --> 01:16:30.800 Even my wife, who was a glober, she's like she 1702 01:16:30.920 --> 01:16:32.439 saw that and she was like wow. 1703 01:16:32.640 --> 01:16:35.359 Now wait, no way, let's let's get into real quick. 1704 01:16:35.399 --> 01:16:37.079 But he was stuck so that that whole thing with 1705 01:16:37.119 --> 01:16:38.840 flats And so this is why I kind of like, 1706 01:16:39.199 --> 01:16:41.880 I've been kind of mostly quiet on my channel talking 1707 01:16:41.880 --> 01:16:44.600 about it until I saw till you sent me. I 1708 01:16:44.640 --> 01:16:46.880 saw that, and I said, I remember, I reached Week 1709 01:16:46.960 --> 01:16:48.159 and I sent it to him, and I. 1710 01:16:48.159 --> 01:16:50.079 Sent it to JT because me and j T were 1711 01:16:50.119 --> 01:16:52.159 gonna do a show in the final experiment last week, 1712 01:16:52.399 --> 01:16:54.319 and I wanted to make sure that we have everything 1713 01:16:54.640 --> 01:16:55.560 you know going here. 1714 01:16:55.439 --> 01:16:56.239 That Yeah, no, it was. 1715 01:16:56.319 --> 01:16:56.479 It was. 1716 01:16:56.720 --> 01:16:58.439 It's good that we didn't do it last week because 1717 01:16:58.479 --> 01:17:00.479 I didn't. I was again, I wasn't his read on this. 1718 01:17:00.960 --> 01:17:03.239 And so when I first saw the King Nico clip, 1719 01:17:03.319 --> 01:17:05.880 I saw it on Twitter or X and I and 1720 01:17:05.920 --> 01:17:07.840 I said, this looks bad for wits it. 1721 01:17:08.800 --> 01:17:09.199 And that's that. 1722 01:17:09.359 --> 01:17:11.239 That's all I said, because I didn't. I didn't say 1723 01:17:11.239 --> 01:17:14.319 anything definitive. I said this looks bad. Yeah that if 1724 01:17:14.319 --> 01:17:16.479 he did, if he did this, And so then you 1725 01:17:16.600 --> 01:17:18.800 sent me that clip, and I was listening to part 1726 01:17:18.840 --> 01:17:24.680 of it, and I, you know, like you could have 1727 01:17:24.680 --> 01:17:26.600 can maybe convinced me that it was edited and he 1728 01:17:26.640 --> 01:17:30.680 really didn't do that if he doesn't, he doesn't vape, 1729 01:17:31.239 --> 01:17:31.880 if he did. 1730 01:17:31.720 --> 01:17:32.960 Not vape while he was down there. 1731 01:17:33.199 --> 01:17:36.680 Yeah, Now when you sent me that clip, they were 1732 01:17:36.800 --> 01:17:40.039 arguing about like if he vaped on that shot or not. 1733 01:17:40.720 --> 01:17:41.880 Here's the crazy. 1734 01:17:41.560 --> 01:17:44.439 Part, dude, And I didn't notice this at first when 1735 01:17:44.439 --> 01:17:45.319 I first listened to it. 1736 01:17:45.880 --> 01:17:49.039 So wits it for one again? 1737 01:17:49.079 --> 01:17:52.720 He proclaims Christ he comes off as a as an ahole. 1738 01:17:53.119 --> 01:17:54.760 I mean, like the way he's calling people an r 1739 01:17:54.840 --> 01:17:58.000 tart and then he's saying like that you he then 1740 01:17:58.000 --> 01:17:59.720 he's trying to say, are you a Christian? 1741 01:18:00.079 --> 01:18:01.920 Do you know what bearing false witness in the Bible? 1742 01:18:01.960 --> 01:18:03.399 And it's like so he's trying to like use the 1743 01:18:03.399 --> 01:18:06.600 Bible against somebody as he's at Hominem attacking him and 1744 01:18:06.920 --> 01:18:09.279 saying things like that. That was that was, that was 1745 01:18:09.880 --> 01:18:10.760 That's a bad look. 1746 01:18:10.800 --> 01:18:13.079 That was. That's when he was debating flat Soloid about 1747 01:18:13.079 --> 01:18:16.159 the thing. And and yeah he did, he did come off, 1748 01:18:16.239 --> 01:18:18.800 but he did at least he apologized a little bit. 1749 01:18:18.840 --> 01:18:21.680 Because but then, Josh, I know that some of these 1750 01:18:21.720 --> 01:18:23.319 guys you're friends and stuff like that, but they're not 1751 01:18:23.359 --> 01:18:24.000 my friends, so. 1752 01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:24.600 I don't know them. 1753 01:18:25.039 --> 01:18:26.680 So what I'm just saying is because I don't, I 1754 01:18:26.720 --> 01:18:28.479 have as limited experience with them, I. 1755 01:18:28.520 --> 01:18:30.520 Like to put myself in their shoes. I could see 1756 01:18:30.520 --> 01:18:30.920 what I would. 1757 01:18:31.039 --> 01:18:33.479 My point like that, But yeah, my point is is 1758 01:18:33.520 --> 01:18:36.119 like that if you're representing Christ, then you're not doing 1759 01:18:36.199 --> 01:18:37.920 You're not calling people those names. 1760 01:18:38.119 --> 01:18:40.600 You're no longer a flat earth that when you're representing Christ, bro, 1761 01:18:40.680 --> 01:18:42.880 you are a Christian first, no matter what. 1762 01:18:42.960 --> 01:18:43.640 And you got it. 1763 01:18:44.640 --> 01:18:48.119 You gotta know that everybody is listening to you, not 1764 01:18:48.199 --> 01:18:49.960 just because of your flat earth, but but a lot 1765 01:18:50.000 --> 01:18:52.159 of people are following you because you say you're a 1766 01:18:52.199 --> 01:18:54.279 Christian and you need to represent christ. 1767 01:18:54.319 --> 01:18:55.800 A lot of people have defended a lot of people 1768 01:18:55.840 --> 01:18:58.680 have defended you because they're saying you're a Christian. 1769 01:18:59.079 --> 01:19:02.920 And he would listen because, yeah, well, when's the last time. 1770 01:19:03.279 --> 01:19:05.319 I was like, this must be the first time somebody 1771 01:19:05.359 --> 01:19:08.000 said they were Christian and they maybe lied later, but 1772 01:19:08.199 --> 01:19:10.239 you know, so he so here's the thing that obviously, 1773 01:19:10.479 --> 01:19:14.119 just like I just was laughing almost how comical the 1774 01:19:14.159 --> 01:19:18.239 things he was saying. Was that so that the red 1775 01:19:18.279 --> 01:19:19.880 the smoking gun to me was the fact that he 1776 01:19:19.920 --> 01:19:21.640 admitted that he vaped while he's down there. 1777 01:19:21.760 --> 01:19:25.199 Well, and so the smoking gun is this. Jaren was 1778 01:19:25.239 --> 01:19:28.680 on his show live. He was doing a New Year's 1779 01:19:28.720 --> 01:19:32.800 special or no I'm sorry Christmas special, and somebody on 1780 01:19:32.920 --> 01:19:36.720 his live had asked him, did anybody bring a vape 1781 01:19:36.720 --> 01:19:39.239 out there? This is before Jaren even knew about the video. 1782 01:19:39.319 --> 01:19:41.399 I think of of of of WIT's it, because it 1783 01:19:41.439 --> 01:19:44.960 wasn't out yet all the way. So he said that, yeah, 1784 01:19:45.000 --> 01:19:47.359 that that Whitson had a vape there, right, So he 1785 01:19:47.439 --> 01:19:51.359 said that so obviously all those people are like got 1786 01:19:51.439 --> 01:19:53.760 him that they didn't even tell Jared about vape gate 1787 01:19:53.880 --> 01:19:55.680 or anything like that or whatever they call it. Vape 1788 01:19:55.800 --> 01:19:58.760 what's it whatever they call it anyways, so they said 1789 01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:01.399 that that that said did have a vape. So that 1790 01:20:01.520 --> 01:20:03.760 right there, and everybody was like, all right, we're gonna 1791 01:20:03.800 --> 01:20:04.800 take this and run with that. 1792 01:20:05.359 --> 01:20:07.800 You know, well, you know, but yes, like so that 1793 01:20:07.920 --> 01:20:10.239 the point being is so then he's so then his 1794 01:20:10.319 --> 01:20:15.000 excuse for having a vape was that he's like literally 1795 01:20:15.039 --> 01:20:17.079 breathing out contradictions as he talks. 1796 01:20:17.119 --> 01:20:17.920 He's saying like that. 1797 01:20:18.439 --> 01:20:22.880 He's like, yes, I did unexpectedly find a vape in 1798 01:20:22.960 --> 01:20:25.960 my bag. I had it in some case with the chargers. 1799 01:20:26.079 --> 01:20:29.159 He's like, I don't vape anymore. I used to vape, 1800 01:20:29.960 --> 01:20:32.439 but while I was down there, I hit it a 1801 01:20:32.439 --> 01:20:33.079 couple of times. 1802 01:20:33.319 --> 01:20:34.760 Yeah, yeah, but I did. 1803 01:20:34.880 --> 01:20:37.079 And this is the thing I said I just caught recently. 1804 01:20:37.159 --> 01:20:41.880 Was when he's saying, but I did not vape. Then 1805 01:20:41.960 --> 01:20:44.720 walk over to the scene, I mean, to the screen 1806 01:20:45.600 --> 01:20:48.600 and blow the vapape out. But he said scene do 1807 01:20:48.640 --> 01:20:50.560 you know that? You know that he said scene that 1808 01:20:50.560 --> 01:20:53.600 that that's a little bit weird. So I was just 1809 01:20:53.720 --> 01:20:55.880 joking on my stream when I was When I got 1810 01:20:55.880 --> 01:20:58.439 asked about this, I said, that sounds like the dog 1811 01:20:58.560 --> 01:21:01.560 ate my homework. That sounds like something you'd hear from 1812 01:21:01.560 --> 01:21:02.359 one of your kids. 1813 01:21:02.520 --> 01:21:05.359 It was either he's trying to avoid one thing that 1814 01:21:05.399 --> 01:21:07.239 you guys got to think about though. What if his 1815 01:21:07.359 --> 01:21:09.159 wife gets mad about him vaping? 1816 01:21:09.760 --> 01:21:10.279 You know what I mean? 1817 01:21:10.359 --> 01:21:12.520 That's what It seemed like he was lying to cover 1818 01:21:12.640 --> 01:21:13.680 that up or something. 1819 01:21:13.720 --> 01:21:16.000 I don't know, man, Well he was the point. The 1820 01:21:16.039 --> 01:21:19.119 point is covering something up, bro, Yeah, the point is 1821 01:21:19.159 --> 01:21:19.359 like that. 1822 01:21:20.239 --> 01:21:23.199 I don't care about why he was lying, but I mean, 1823 01:21:23.239 --> 01:21:25.279 all I know is that it seemed like he lied 1824 01:21:25.880 --> 01:21:27.960 weird and and and the way he was kind of 1825 01:21:28.039 --> 01:21:30.600 like he did seem like when these people were like 1826 01:21:31.039 --> 01:21:33.399 somebody was making a point of saying like that when 1827 01:21:33.399 --> 01:21:36.600 you get caught, deny deny, deny, deny, and that I 1828 01:21:36.720 --> 01:21:38.359 really felt like I felt like he was trying to 1829 01:21:38.359 --> 01:21:41.159 be careful about by saying, oh, you watched an edited thing, 1830 01:21:41.439 --> 01:21:42.760 and he was like trying to say, like. 1831 01:21:42.760 --> 01:21:44.880 I guess there was another video out which I haven't 1832 01:21:44.920 --> 01:21:45.840 seen yet, or. 1833 01:21:45.800 --> 01:21:47.920 Something where he was dusking. He was ducking down. 1834 01:21:47.960 --> 01:21:50.159 So I don't know, but he did do so in 1835 01:21:51.199 --> 01:21:53.520 the defense of what he did do a live with 1836 01:21:53.600 --> 01:21:56.039 Owen Benjamin where you could see his breath the whole time. 1837 01:21:56.159 --> 01:21:58.159 I guess he was drinking hot tea when he was 1838 01:21:58.199 --> 01:22:00.279 doing that. And and you know what I would say 1839 01:22:00.319 --> 01:22:02.520 is what's the conclusion to to the to the whole thing, 1840 01:22:02.600 --> 01:22:04.960 like does it does it mean that these people were 1841 01:22:05.000 --> 01:22:07.199 not in antarcticle because of that? What I would like, 1842 01:22:07.239 --> 01:22:11.000 what I would say to everybody, bro and every single 1843 01:22:11.000 --> 01:22:13.800 person and me and JT. We're not there is that 1844 01:22:13.840 --> 01:22:16.359 little thing to dissect, and we're only dissecting it because 1845 01:22:16.439 --> 01:22:18.800 that that is out right now. But we should wait 1846 01:22:18.920 --> 01:22:23.479 till all the footage comes out, dissect that and then 1847 01:22:23.520 --> 01:22:26.439 come to a conclusion. Well, people are doing is they're 1848 01:22:26.439 --> 01:22:28.880 getting little snippets of stuff and they're jumping on it 1849 01:22:28.960 --> 01:22:32.119 right away and they're freaking blowing it everywhere. 1850 01:22:32.319 --> 01:22:34.640 Well, you know what I would say, what's good for 1851 01:22:34.720 --> 01:22:37.800 the goose is good for the gander. If you're going 1852 01:22:37.840 --> 01:22:39.720 to go out there and you're going to pick apart 1853 01:22:39.800 --> 01:22:44.479 NASA stuff, prepare to have your stuff picked apart. Right, 1854 01:22:44.520 --> 01:22:46.239 So it's kind of like that if you find if 1855 01:22:46.319 --> 01:22:49.239 I find they're doing something hokey on the International Space Station. 1856 01:22:49.680 --> 01:22:51.640 They should say, oh, well, you gotta wait to find 1857 01:22:51.760 --> 01:22:53.239 everything out before you. 1858 01:22:53.199 --> 01:22:57.079 Say right, right, you're right, so. 1859 01:22:57.560 --> 01:23:00.640 You composition, you're in the position to pick up the useless. 1860 01:23:01.640 --> 01:23:04.520 Yeah you can, you cannot. That's what I would like 1861 01:23:04.560 --> 01:23:08.840 to ask him. If you saw somebody from NASA doing 1862 01:23:09.079 --> 01:23:13.279 what you did, would you believe them? Should you believe them? Because, 1863 01:23:13.279 --> 01:23:15.279 like I said, you could say, oh, you guys know me. 1864 01:23:15.399 --> 01:23:18.239 It's like, bro, I don't know you. I don't know 1865 01:23:18.279 --> 01:23:22.000 you at all. So I'm learning any of these people, 1866 01:23:22.319 --> 01:23:25.079 I'm learning more about you now and based on this. 1867 01:23:25.199 --> 01:23:28.319 And so that's what I was saying, like that that 1868 01:23:28.840 --> 01:23:32.159 you know, trust is earned, you know, and but you know, 1869 01:23:32.359 --> 01:23:34.319 it takes a lot harder. It takes a lot longer 1870 01:23:34.359 --> 01:23:36.680 to build trust with somebody than it is to nuke it. 1871 01:23:37.239 --> 01:23:39.680 And so what he did with what he was saying 1872 01:23:39.760 --> 01:23:41.319 was like to say, because I just don't believe I 1873 01:23:41.319 --> 01:23:43.520 don't believe what he said. I don't believe that you 1874 01:23:43.560 --> 01:23:46.680 accidentally brought a bake baked Antarctica. Well, first of all, 1875 01:23:46.720 --> 01:23:48.600 let's I mean it's like, well, like what I'm saying 1876 01:23:48.680 --> 01:23:52.079 was like to think like that. You like you unexpectedly 1877 01:23:52.119 --> 01:23:54.239 found it in your bag. You quit, but then you 1878 01:23:54.359 --> 01:23:57.119 used it, so like to me, it's like, did you 1879 01:23:57.199 --> 01:23:59.399 literally just like not even look when you're packing, you 1880 01:23:59.399 --> 01:24:01.640 were just throwing up in a duffle back. You're going 1881 01:24:01.680 --> 01:24:04.840 to Antarctica. First of all, it's your vape. You have 1882 01:24:04.880 --> 01:24:08.399 a weight your bag. And then you so you brought 1883 01:24:08.399 --> 01:24:11.680 a vape to Antarctica. You used it, you didn't, You 1884 01:24:11.720 --> 01:24:12.319 have not quit. 1885 01:24:12.960 --> 01:24:15.079 You can't pick up a vapro and just start using 1886 01:24:15.119 --> 01:24:18.159 it anyway. You gotta plug it in. You gotta charge it, 1887 01:24:18.279 --> 01:24:20.640 you gotta you gotta fill it. Dude. It's a pain 1888 01:24:20.720 --> 01:24:22.960 in the butt. I vaped before, dude, when I quit 1889 01:24:23.000 --> 01:24:27.640 smoking cigarettes, like like years ago, I was vaping, and dude, 1890 01:24:27.720 --> 01:24:30.479 it's it is a pain in the butt, dude, because. 1891 01:24:30.279 --> 01:24:31.399 I remember an army. 1892 01:24:32.239 --> 01:24:35.840 Yeah, I was like, you can't just pick a vape 1893 01:24:35.920 --> 01:24:37.399 up and start hitting it. First of all, you have 1894 01:24:37.479 --> 01:24:39.600 to charge it. You got to fill it up. You 1895 01:24:39.640 --> 01:24:42.359 got to make sure that the thing is not burnt. 1896 01:24:42.359 --> 01:24:45.560 I can't remember what it's called. And and so you 1897 01:24:45.600 --> 01:24:47.520 can't just pick up a vape and start hitting it, bro, 1898 01:24:47.560 --> 01:24:51.039 you gotta plug it in. There's like, you got a 1899 01:24:51.039 --> 01:24:53.760 preparation for this thing. You can't just take a vape 1900 01:24:53.760 --> 01:24:55.279 out of your bag and start hitting because it's going 1901 01:24:55.319 --> 01:24:57.760 to be dead. You gotta plug it in. So maybe 1902 01:24:57.800 --> 01:24:59.600 he found the vape. If he did find it, we'll 1903 01:24:59.640 --> 01:25:01.640 give him the benefit of the doubt. But you get 1904 01:25:01.680 --> 01:25:03.199 you do good. You do gotta plug it in and 1905 01:25:03.239 --> 01:25:05.840 you also have to have bape juice. And depending on 1906 01:25:05.840 --> 01:25:07.560 what kind of vape it is you got. 1907 01:25:07.359 --> 01:25:10.199 To put that, maybe maybe it was yeah, well I'm 1908 01:25:10.239 --> 01:25:12.359 not even a speculat what it was, but yeah, but 1909 01:25:12.399 --> 01:25:13.479 here's the here's the thing. 1910 01:25:14.640 --> 01:25:15.159 Okay, So. 1911 01:25:16.720 --> 01:25:18.960 As somebody who was trying to be objective about this, 1912 01:25:19.079 --> 01:25:21.039 but again I'm skeptical because I was just saying, like, 1913 01:25:21.079 --> 01:25:24.359 based on the title and based on what the result 1914 01:25:24.399 --> 01:25:26.960 was when it when they came back, I was skeptical. 1915 01:25:27.239 --> 01:25:29.039 So when I first put that out there, I said, 1916 01:25:29.039 --> 01:25:30.880 this looks bad. I remember one point I kind of 1917 01:25:31.199 --> 01:25:34.680 I kind of tweeted at him when somebody asked him 1918 01:25:34.680 --> 01:25:37.000 about why did you go under that name the Final Experiment? 1919 01:25:37.000 --> 01:25:39.000 It's like I fought against it, and of course I 1920 01:25:39.079 --> 01:25:41.760 my comment to him was like, well, like it or not, 1921 01:25:41.880 --> 01:25:43.359 you were used as propaganda. 1922 01:25:44.239 --> 01:25:44.800 You like you. 1923 01:25:44.880 --> 01:25:46.840 I know you're smart enough to realize that by now. 1924 01:25:47.560 --> 01:25:51.199 So with that being said, you get caught doing that 1925 01:25:51.239 --> 01:25:54.560 and you're and you're right. That does not mean everything 1926 01:25:54.600 --> 01:25:57.680 else was fade. But what it does mean is now 1927 01:25:57.720 --> 01:26:00.680 I cannot trust you. I don't. I do not trust 1928 01:26:00.720 --> 01:26:03.720 you anymore, so like to whatever that is is lost. 1929 01:26:04.039 --> 01:26:06.079 The only way he could have gained a little back 1930 01:26:06.159 --> 01:26:09.279 in that exchange was saying, you know what, I gotta 1931 01:26:09.319 --> 01:26:11.399 be honest. It does look bad that I had a 1932 01:26:11.479 --> 01:26:14.720 vape down there, you know. Instead of like trying to 1933 01:26:15.399 --> 01:26:17.760 put it against the other guy saying you're bearing false 1934 01:26:17.800 --> 01:26:20.960 witness against me, it's saying, like, I understand why you 1935 01:26:21.000 --> 01:26:24.640 guys would not believe me. I don't. I gotta be honest. 1936 01:26:24.680 --> 01:26:27.720 I vape a little bit and I shouldn't. I told 1937 01:26:27.800 --> 01:26:30.399 people like I told my wife I quit, but I 1938 01:26:30.479 --> 01:26:32.359 brought one there and I used it a little bit. 1939 01:26:32.399 --> 01:26:34.359 So I understand why you guys wouldn't believe me because 1940 01:26:34.359 --> 01:26:36.560 you can see me walking around vaping. But what he 1941 01:26:36.600 --> 01:26:39.800 says is that I would never vape on camera, And 1942 01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:41.720 it's like the funny part is, but you did vape 1943 01:26:41.720 --> 01:26:42.159 on camera. 1944 01:26:42.239 --> 01:26:44.359 Everyone saw you do it now. 1945 01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:47.119 So now you seem like a kid who's trying to 1946 01:26:47.159 --> 01:26:50.079 say you didn't see what you thought you saw, because 1947 01:26:50.720 --> 01:26:53.479 I can see it in his hand as he walks over, 1948 01:26:53.479 --> 01:26:55.880 and you know, so whether that video was editor or not, 1949 01:26:55.960 --> 01:26:56.680 you could see it. 1950 01:26:56.640 --> 01:26:58.920 In his hand and he sets it down and then 1951 01:26:58.960 --> 01:27:00.039 he doesn't. 1952 01:26:59.800 --> 01:27:02.800 Run that video that you're talking about. I don't think 1953 01:27:02.840 --> 01:27:05.479 that that was edited. The other one, I don't know. 1954 01:27:05.720 --> 01:27:06.439 I never saw it. 1955 01:27:06.560 --> 01:27:08.319 Like I said, it doesn't matter because it's like that's 1956 01:27:08.359 --> 01:27:10.279 the unin added version where you could see him walking 1957 01:27:10.279 --> 01:27:15.039 around from camera, Yeah, yeah, setting it, setting it down, 1958 01:27:15.039 --> 01:27:15.520 and then it. 1959 01:27:15.439 --> 01:27:17.720 Looks like he hit the vape, blew it out, hit 1960 01:27:17.800 --> 01:27:18.279 the vape. 1961 01:27:18.399 --> 01:27:18.880 What's up? 1962 01:27:18.960 --> 01:27:19.119 Now? 1963 01:27:19.399 --> 01:27:20.119 Yeah, what's up? 1964 01:27:20.199 --> 01:27:22.159 Turned the camera on, and he blew out. That's what 1965 01:27:22.199 --> 01:27:24.439 it looked like. Now I can't say it because I 1966 01:27:24.439 --> 01:27:26.520 I can't tell him between breaths how long it was. 1967 01:27:26.640 --> 01:27:29.000 I mean, who knows if he maybe he did hit it, 1968 01:27:29.119 --> 01:27:31.039 blew it out and then came on camera blew out 1969 01:27:31.039 --> 01:27:32.560 and he still had some access. 1970 01:27:32.560 --> 01:27:34.039 Well, it's like but the thing is, it is like 1971 01:27:34.279 --> 01:27:37.880 he's like he's muddying the waters. When he's saying a 1972 01:27:37.920 --> 01:27:40.800 little bit he's well he's poisoning the well by doing that, 1973 01:27:40.880 --> 01:27:43.640 but he also is muddying the waters by saying like, oh, well, 1974 01:27:43.680 --> 01:27:45.520 it's too dry to see your breath. 1975 01:27:45.760 --> 01:27:46.479 It's it's this. 1976 01:27:46.680 --> 01:27:48.039 It is like, you can't see your breath here, but 1977 01:27:48.079 --> 01:27:50.439 even though you could see it here, even it's kind 1978 01:27:50.439 --> 01:27:54.319 of like if if you're really down there, I don't 1979 01:27:54.319 --> 01:27:56.199 got to defend if my breath comes out, and I'm like, 1980 01:27:56.239 --> 01:27:58.159 I'm not telling you. I know why my breath is 1981 01:27:58.239 --> 01:28:01.000 showing or not showing it sometimes, but I'm telling you, 1982 01:28:01.039 --> 01:28:03.039 maybe it's too bright, maybe it's this, maybe it's that. 1983 01:28:03.199 --> 01:28:05.640 I'm not sure why you can't see it. But I'm 1984 01:28:05.680 --> 01:28:08.399 down here, so I don't need to say. I don't 1985 01:28:08.439 --> 01:28:10.279 need to try to. I don't need to prove to 1986 01:28:10.319 --> 01:28:14.439 you guys. In one breath blowing out vapor and then 1987 01:28:14.520 --> 01:28:17.479 one breath not blowing out vapor, it actually looks broke. 1988 01:28:17.680 --> 01:28:20.079 I even I swear when I saw it live, I 1989 01:28:20.119 --> 01:28:23.479 was like, what was that? That was the weirdest thing 1990 01:28:23.520 --> 01:28:26.840 I felt that way, bro, And and I'm giving what's it? 1991 01:28:26.960 --> 01:28:29.319 And Jared the benefit of the doubt. I'm not. I'm 1992 01:28:29.319 --> 01:28:31.119 not I'm not gonna sit here, bro and just be 1993 01:28:31.199 --> 01:28:33.399 like this whole thing is fake and and it's a 1994 01:28:33.439 --> 01:28:36.199 movie set. Like, bro, you can't yeah, you can't go 1995 01:28:36.279 --> 01:28:38.479 from that to that, you know, you gotta see everything. 1996 01:28:38.520 --> 01:28:40.399 Yeah, no, no, I agree, I agree, but okay, so 1997 01:28:40.520 --> 01:28:43.279 but I think things are starting to kind of compound. 1998 01:28:43.279 --> 01:28:47.439 Now when I saw the shirtless picture. What do you 1999 01:28:47.439 --> 01:28:50.800 think about the shirtless picture? Wait? What did you notice 2000 01:28:50.800 --> 01:28:52.600 about the shirtless picture? I think there's a few things 2001 01:28:52.640 --> 01:28:53.039 in there. 2002 01:28:53.199 --> 01:28:56.199 Well, one thing that that, uh, that was pointed out 2003 01:28:56.399 --> 01:28:58.760 so far is that the background is the same as 2004 01:28:58.760 --> 01:29:02.600 the twenty sixteen phone. That's one thing that somebody said, like, yeah, 2005 01:29:02.640 --> 01:29:03.960 the exactly the same. 2006 01:29:04.159 --> 01:29:08.800 Well for one, I don't know, bro, Yeah, they're the mountains. 2007 01:29:09.479 --> 01:29:13.159 They look way way closer to that mountain than the 2008 01:29:13.199 --> 01:29:16.000 base camp appeared to be in the other picture. Yeah, 2009 01:29:16.039 --> 01:29:19.399 but it does seem like that the snow covering on 2010 01:29:19.479 --> 01:29:23.560 the mountain is exactly the same, Like you can see 2011 01:29:23.560 --> 01:29:29.319 the exact same exposed rocks. Yeah, like to a to 2012 01:29:29.479 --> 01:29:32.760 a grant to a snowflake, like where you can see 2013 01:29:33.000 --> 01:29:36.239 the exposed rocks on that mountain look identical. 2014 01:29:37.840 --> 01:29:38.560 Did you notice that? 2015 01:29:38.880 --> 01:29:41.079 Yeah, I saw the picture. I saw that man and 2016 01:29:41.439 --> 01:29:45.840 one of my friends that I John Pounders. He actually 2017 01:29:45.880 --> 01:29:48.279 put it on his site, and I was surprised he 2018 01:29:48.319 --> 01:29:50.000 put it on his because he's not like a biblical 2019 01:29:50.039 --> 01:29:53.079 cosmologist really and he put it on his and you know, 2020 01:29:53.159 --> 01:29:54.680 and I was like, wow, so what. 2021 01:29:54.600 --> 01:29:56.359 Did he so? What do he what was his conclusion? 2022 01:29:56.920 --> 01:29:59.199 I think I took a picture of it, because man, 2023 01:29:59.239 --> 01:30:01.880 I'm I'm following this like a tea and you know what, dude, 2024 01:30:02.199 --> 01:30:06.520 I uh, okay, so he was he just made circles 2025 01:30:06.520 --> 01:30:07.159 like I don't know if. 2026 01:30:07.039 --> 01:30:10.359 You guys you guys, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, basically. 2027 01:30:10.159 --> 01:30:13.800 Showing exactly what the background looked like in twenty sixteen 2028 01:30:13.840 --> 01:30:17.319 and exactly the way that that that looks today or 2029 01:30:17.479 --> 01:30:20.039 when they did it. I'm sorry, and uh, I don't 2030 01:30:20.039 --> 01:30:22.520 remember what he said on the bottom. I can't see 2031 01:30:22.520 --> 01:30:23.479 what he said on the bottom. 2032 01:30:23.800 --> 01:30:26.880 Well, I would say that based on and here's why 2033 01:30:26.880 --> 01:30:28.439 I'm I'm a little bit slow. 2034 01:30:28.680 --> 01:30:31.239 I'll just a full disclosure. I will say that. 2035 01:30:32.720 --> 01:30:37.039 If that twenty sixteen picture is not edited, if this 2036 01:30:37.119 --> 01:30:41.279 looks really bad, I would I would say that I 2037 01:30:41.520 --> 01:30:44.399 lean toward that being a fake background if if that 2038 01:30:44.680 --> 01:30:50.079 because but it's very possible the twenty sixteen picture could 2039 01:30:50.119 --> 01:30:53.560 have been altered to reflect what they saw there. Because 2040 01:30:54.039 --> 01:30:56.239 that's why I wanted to try to show that. Yeah, 2041 01:30:56.239 --> 01:30:58.239 because if that because that could be true. Like I said, so, 2042 01:30:58.279 --> 01:31:00.760 I'm going to give that caveat. But if but if 2043 01:31:00.760 --> 01:31:06.000 that twenty sixteen picture is legit, that is a little 2044 01:31:06.039 --> 01:31:08.239 bit strange, Like yeah, because I mean obviously you're like 2045 01:31:08.239 --> 01:31:09.880 literally another. 2046 01:31:09.640 --> 01:31:11.199 Thing that they pointed out. That's a little weird. 2047 01:31:11.560 --> 01:31:13.840 What else, Okay, So that being said, like, yeah, that 2048 01:31:13.920 --> 01:31:17.199 I believe that the snow would be slightly different. You 2049 01:31:17.279 --> 01:31:20.760 might see different rocks. It's like you're talking about almost 2050 01:31:20.920 --> 01:31:23.560 you know what, eight years later the rocks in snow 2051 01:31:23.600 --> 01:31:24.800 are exactly the same. 2052 01:31:25.520 --> 01:31:26.960 Yeah, that's weird. Take. 2053 01:31:27.119 --> 01:31:32.359 And I'm saying they are exactly the same exactly right? 2054 01:31:32.760 --> 01:31:33.760 Would you? Would you agree with that? 2055 01:31:34.359 --> 01:31:36.520 I would agree with it. If that thing is not 2056 01:31:36.680 --> 01:31:38.960 edited at all, they are exactly the same. Yeah, they 2057 01:31:38.960 --> 01:31:44.199 look exactly the same to me from what I'm looking at. Yeah. 2058 01:31:44.239 --> 01:31:47.399 And is it likely that that the snow would be identical? 2059 01:31:47.800 --> 01:31:50.439 No, not exactly the same though, No. 2060 01:31:50.359 --> 01:31:53.359 It's it seems really unlikely. What else do you notice 2061 01:31:53.359 --> 01:31:54.359 about the shirtless picture? 2062 01:31:55.359 --> 01:31:59.760 Uh? Well, they're all ten I'm just kidding, maybe they're 2063 01:31:59.800 --> 01:32:03.520 maybe there in Florida and not just kidding. I noticed, 2064 01:32:03.600 --> 01:32:05.600 Uh what else do I know? Go ahead, you go ahead. 2065 01:32:05.720 --> 01:32:08.039 Do you notice that Jared is not doesn't have a 2066 01:32:08.039 --> 01:32:10.680 shirt off, He's got he's got his his. 2067 01:32:11.479 --> 01:32:13.279 Like, what do you do you do you see any 2068 01:32:13.319 --> 01:32:14.039 kind of a pattern? 2069 01:32:15.199 --> 01:32:19.760 Oh? Right there the shirt off one one doesn't. 2070 01:32:19.199 --> 01:32:21.399 Color, color of the shirts colored the shirts. 2071 01:32:21.600 --> 01:32:24.239 You are better at at this kind of thing. Uh, 2072 01:32:24.479 --> 01:32:26.840 obviously she's not gonna have ever shirt off. But yeah, 2073 01:32:26.960 --> 01:32:28.359 black shirts. 2074 01:32:28.000 --> 01:32:32.520 Right, black shirts, and you have white white men black 2075 01:32:32.560 --> 01:32:32.920 and white. 2076 01:32:33.319 --> 01:32:35.479 Yeah, like black and white Freemason thing right. 2077 01:32:36.039 --> 01:32:38.880 It's it looks like like do you think it was 2078 01:32:38.920 --> 01:32:40.159 an accidents they posed like that? 2079 01:32:41.880 --> 01:32:43.319 I don't know, man, I don't think it was an 2080 01:32:43.319 --> 01:32:45.520 accident that they did. They did it exactly like that. No. 2081 01:32:46.880 --> 01:32:49.439 Yeah, So so I've seen people and I think the 2082 01:32:50.680 --> 01:32:52.760 flatter with Banjo, and I watched a little bit of 2083 01:32:52.760 --> 01:32:54.359 his stuff, and like I said, I don't I'm not 2084 01:32:54.399 --> 01:32:57.800 necessarily trying to promote his chain on trying to say 2085 01:32:57.840 --> 01:33:02.199 that everything he's posting is accurate, But a lot of 2086 01:33:02.239 --> 01:33:05.119 people have pointed out that wits it in his like 2087 01:33:05.159 --> 01:33:07.000 I guess his header on YouTube. 2088 01:33:07.640 --> 01:33:08.239 He's got to do. 2089 01:33:08.399 --> 01:33:11.239 He's got the black and the white symbolism, and then 2090 01:33:11.600 --> 01:33:15.520 you see this, what does that mean? That's not Christian? 2091 01:33:15.920 --> 01:33:19.159 Duality is not Christian. The ying and yang is not 2092 01:33:19.279 --> 01:33:24.199 Christian like that. That is some that's some freemasonry checkerboard stuff. 2093 01:33:24.439 --> 01:33:28.119 So again, I'm not someone who believes in coincidences like 2094 01:33:28.239 --> 01:33:30.880 I do. I do not like when certain people try 2095 01:33:30.920 --> 01:33:33.239 to take screen grabs of people talking because I talk 2096 01:33:33.319 --> 01:33:36.239 with my hands sometimes and if I ever made a thing, 2097 01:33:36.520 --> 01:33:39.159 even I've made the hand symbols because I'm trying to 2098 01:33:39.199 --> 01:33:42.319 show people what the hand symbols are. Yeah, I joked 2099 01:33:42.319 --> 01:33:44.880 one time I did a video on TikTok when I 2100 01:33:44.880 --> 01:33:47.199 was first on there, and I was doing a live 2101 01:33:47.239 --> 01:33:49.760 stream and my brother took some screenshots and he cut 2102 01:33:49.800 --> 01:33:54.479 together a video saying expose JT. He was joking, but 2103 01:33:54.560 --> 01:33:57.520 it was funny. It was funny because yeah, because I've seen. 2104 01:33:57.319 --> 01:33:58.359 People do that before. 2105 01:33:59.439 --> 01:34:01.960 Now this is different. This is this. This is what 2106 01:34:02.039 --> 01:34:05.079 I see in this picture reminds me of a photo 2107 01:34:05.159 --> 01:34:08.800 shoot that somebody is doing the Vogue cover and then 2108 01:34:08.800 --> 01:34:11.399 they're covering up one eye or you're seeing like a 2109 01:34:11.439 --> 01:34:14.039 movie cover and you're seeing half of somebody's face or 2110 01:34:14.079 --> 01:34:17.479 you're seeing them do the do the osiris risen pose? 2111 01:34:17.560 --> 01:34:18.840 I'm not and I'm not doing them right now. 2112 01:34:18.720 --> 01:34:20.560 Because I don't want people to to clip this right now. 2113 01:34:20.600 --> 01:34:23.399 But you know what I'm saying, like like, so this 2114 01:34:23.439 --> 01:34:28.520 is what So when you pose like that, like this 2115 01:34:28.600 --> 01:34:30.560 is a big deal. You're in Antarctica, You're posing in 2116 01:34:30.560 --> 01:34:33.039 front of this thing. Like so like, first of all, 2117 01:34:33.039 --> 01:34:36.000 why are your shirts off? It ain't because you're ripped. 2118 01:34:36.600 --> 01:34:38.920 Nobody got a good body with their shirt off over there. 2119 01:34:38.920 --> 01:34:46.199 They kind of look it looks it looks really lamero. 2120 01:34:43.600 --> 01:34:47.000 Why would you even do that? 2121 01:34:46.399 --> 01:34:49.239 Why you got nobody's looking good with their shirt off 2122 01:34:49.279 --> 01:34:50.720 over there? So why are your shirts off? 2123 01:34:51.319 --> 01:34:53.079 Is it because you guys didn't have white shirts or 2124 01:34:53.079 --> 01:34:54.279 where that have been too obvious? 2125 01:34:55.479 --> 01:34:58.840 It was a ah man, it is listen. It was 2126 01:34:58.880 --> 01:35:01.640 really strange. And also, man, it's eighteen degrees there, bro 2127 01:35:01.800 --> 01:35:05.600 Okay it's not And and you know, why would you 2128 01:35:05.640 --> 01:35:08.239 take your shirt off if you're worried about your hands 2129 01:35:08.279 --> 01:35:09.720 getting cold? Why would you have your shirt off? 2130 01:35:09.720 --> 01:35:12.640 You know, like, yeah, it's so cold it hurts to 2131 01:35:12.680 --> 01:35:15.520 breathe in deeply. Yeah, but my shirt is off. 2132 01:35:15.840 --> 01:35:17.880 Again, I thought, I think it's a little weird that 2133 01:35:17.960 --> 01:35:20.159 you see some of these videos. It does not look 2134 01:35:20.199 --> 01:35:23.039 like there's a breath of wind. Nobody's hair moves at all. 2135 01:35:23.039 --> 01:35:24.840 You don't hear anything in the camp. You don't hear 2136 01:35:25.199 --> 01:35:29.800 the mic picking up any any wind. And I'm just thinking, 2137 01:35:29.840 --> 01:35:31.720 like the perfect. 2138 01:35:32.960 --> 01:35:35.560 It does. It does seem like it was absolutely perfect. 2139 01:35:35.960 --> 01:35:38.840 And they have storms before, and that had storms. Even 2140 01:35:39.239 --> 01:35:41.520 storm came December seth they actually had to leave early 2141 01:35:41.920 --> 01:35:44.199 because the storm was coming and it was gonna hit hard. 2142 01:35:44.239 --> 01:35:46.000 What they couldn't even if a storm is coming, there 2143 01:35:46.039 --> 01:35:48.760 would have been some winds in the interim right as 2144 01:35:48.760 --> 01:35:51.640 as it came in. You know, I've been, I've loved 2145 01:35:51.640 --> 01:35:54.399 snowboard and skiing and stuff, and I've been, I've been, 2146 01:35:54.479 --> 01:35:57.520 I've done some in the springtime where yeah, you could 2147 01:35:57.600 --> 01:35:59.079 you could have snowboard with your shirt off. 2148 01:35:59.199 --> 01:36:00.640 You could go like this do with but you know 2149 01:36:00.720 --> 01:36:03.640 what is Broca got snowboarding pants because you can you know, 2150 01:36:04.119 --> 01:36:07.039 right yeah, right, well yeah, even on the warm even 2151 01:36:07.079 --> 01:36:10.560 on the warmest days, you would still likely have gloves. 2152 01:36:10.119 --> 01:36:11.800 Because you wouldn't want to have to touch because the 2153 01:36:11.800 --> 01:36:14.399 snow is still cold. Yeah, it would still make your 2154 01:36:14.399 --> 01:36:16.600 hands worse. But a lot of days that when we 2155 01:36:16.640 --> 01:36:19.800 did that, it was like fifty degrees or sixty degrees 2156 01:36:19.840 --> 01:36:21.359 and it was sunny and there was no way. 2157 01:36:21.199 --> 01:36:23.239 They had a blown snow at night. They blow the 2158 01:36:23.279 --> 01:36:25.159 snow at night, and then you snowboard and it's like 2159 01:36:25.159 --> 01:36:27.399 fifty degrees. It's not Yeah, that's exactly what that's. 2160 01:36:27.560 --> 01:36:27.800 Yeah. 2161 01:36:27.840 --> 01:36:31.439 So so the point is, it ain't eighteen degrees. No 2162 01:36:32.000 --> 01:36:35.880 eighteen degrees, whether it's sunny or not, it's going to 2163 01:36:35.920 --> 01:36:37.560 be really cold. 2164 01:36:37.600 --> 01:36:39.880 I've been in Tahoe when it was fourteen degrees before 2165 01:36:40.359 --> 01:36:45.000 and it was freezing, bro. You know it was freezing. Yeah, 2166 01:36:45.000 --> 01:36:45.800 I was cold bro. 2167 01:36:46.239 --> 01:36:48.159 So yeah, so the point, the point being is like that. 2168 01:36:48.279 --> 01:36:48.479 Yeah. 2169 01:36:48.560 --> 01:36:51.279 Again, these are more contradictions where it's like it's so 2170 01:36:51.479 --> 01:36:54.479 cold that you you're you it hurts your lungs when 2171 01:36:54.479 --> 01:36:57.359 you breathe in, but you're not even wearing a hat, 2172 01:36:57.960 --> 01:37:00.319 like you're not nobody's you're not covering your ears up, 2173 01:37:00.479 --> 01:37:02.640 you're not wearing gloves. I mean, I could I could 2174 01:37:02.680 --> 01:37:07.119 maybe see an explanation like you're manipulating an iPad or 2175 01:37:07.159 --> 01:37:10.039 a phone or something, so you don't it doesn't work. 2176 01:37:10.039 --> 01:37:11.760 Obviously, you don't want to have anything on your hands 2177 01:37:11.760 --> 01:37:14.000 because you're you're gonna you know, you're typing your your checking. 2178 01:37:14.039 --> 01:37:15.880 You wanted to be checking his phone. He wanted to 2179 01:37:15.880 --> 01:37:18.279 be answering live. So there's a few things, man like, 2180 01:37:18.279 --> 01:37:20.279 Like I said, man like, there's there's things that he 2181 01:37:20.399 --> 01:37:23.560 was doing where it's it's it's it's obviously explainable. 2182 01:37:23.560 --> 01:37:26.359 Well again, so this is so this is to me 2183 01:37:27.720 --> 01:37:28.920 when I see you get. 2184 01:37:28.720 --> 01:37:30.359 A breaking down codes, let me know, bro, what you 2185 01:37:30.399 --> 01:37:31.960 what you thought about that picture? What? What is? What 2186 01:37:31.960 --> 01:37:33.600 do you see besides that anything else? 2187 01:37:34.159 --> 01:37:36.720 Well let me let me let me pull it up 2188 01:37:36.720 --> 01:37:39.319 real quick just to examine it, because it's like you 2189 01:37:39.319 --> 01:37:42.159 could I mean, I guess that's the thing. It's like 2190 01:37:42.159 --> 01:37:45.960 when you when you do that with those guys, did it's. 2191 01:37:48.039 --> 01:37:49.439 I could email it to you too if you don't 2192 01:37:49.439 --> 01:37:51.159 have real quick. 2193 01:37:51.159 --> 01:37:53.439 I mean, it's like withs it it's almost like, I mean, 2194 01:37:53.479 --> 01:37:55.680 it could be possibly maybe it's reaching a little bit. 2195 01:37:55.720 --> 01:37:57.920 I mean the guys are kind of like covering up 2196 01:37:57.960 --> 01:38:01.520 their hands, you know, like the one guy's not. But 2197 01:38:01.920 --> 01:38:03.399 it's like, what's it's covering up a hand? 2198 01:38:04.199 --> 01:38:05.279 Is that a hidden hand? Thing? 2199 01:38:05.800 --> 01:38:07.960 I mean, it's I don't want to reach too far, 2200 01:38:08.079 --> 01:38:11.520 but I would say that to me, it's very obvious 2201 01:38:11.920 --> 01:38:17.439 that they're showing you you see white black white black, 2202 01:38:17.680 --> 01:38:19.880 white black white black. 2203 01:38:21.319 --> 01:38:22.880 You know what I mean, Like, of course, then there's 2204 01:38:22.880 --> 01:38:25.760 somebody wearing blue on the end. But like we've. 2205 01:38:25.560 --> 01:38:31.039 Already established, well, obviously we've established quite a pattern here 2206 01:38:31.039 --> 01:38:36.079 where it's like, yes, I think that because I'm not stupid, 2207 01:38:36.159 --> 01:38:38.319 and of course I'm trying to be as wise as 2208 01:38:38.319 --> 01:38:39.920 a serpent, as innocent as a dove. 2209 01:38:40.159 --> 01:38:41.680 I'm not gonna automatically say it, but I. 2210 01:38:41.680 --> 01:38:44.920 Would say this is a reason on top of the 2211 01:38:45.000 --> 01:38:47.119 other reason you've given me, on top of the other 2212 01:38:47.199 --> 01:38:49.680 reason you give me that I do not trust you. 2213 01:38:49.720 --> 01:38:55.880 And if and if that background neither of those pictures 2214 01:38:55.880 --> 01:38:58.840 have been manipulated in those in those rock, the rock 2215 01:38:58.880 --> 01:39:03.720 and snow covering on that is exactly the same, then 2216 01:39:03.720 --> 01:39:05.479 now I do question if if any of it. 2217 01:39:05.399 --> 01:39:08.960 Was real, because you wouldn't need to do that. 2218 01:39:09.000 --> 01:39:10.960 I mean, because like I said, if you photoshopped the 2219 01:39:11.000 --> 01:39:13.239 background in there, because that's what I would believe that 2220 01:39:13.279 --> 01:39:16.159 if they if it's exactly the same and neither neither 2221 01:39:16.199 --> 01:39:18.840 picture was manipulated, and that's not even getting to the shadows, 2222 01:39:18.840 --> 01:39:20.199 because I'm not even I'm not one of these people 2223 01:39:20.279 --> 01:39:21.800 I want, I don't want even want to talk about 2224 01:39:22.199 --> 01:39:24.600 what shadows do versus certain light, because again, I'm not 2225 01:39:24.680 --> 01:39:27.119 one of these people who do these experiments. What I'm 2226 01:39:27.159 --> 01:39:32.880 trying to say is that you have deemed yourself untrustworthy 2227 01:39:32.920 --> 01:39:36.840 on several counts. And the main reason I questioned the 2228 01:39:36.840 --> 01:39:38.960 whole thing at the beginning was like, because I've seen 2229 01:39:39.279 --> 01:39:42.960 certain debates from Witsit, and I think he seems very intelligent. 2230 01:39:43.399 --> 01:39:47.359 He is very So if you are very intelligent, then 2231 01:39:47.399 --> 01:39:52.359 you don't get deplete ignorance later when things when you 2232 01:39:52.399 --> 01:39:54.199 get used like this, because I mean, I would say 2233 01:39:54.399 --> 01:39:55.760 you calulate. 2234 01:39:55.359 --> 01:39:58.960 Moves when you're debating. He's calculating moves. He is, he's 2235 01:39:59.000 --> 01:40:01.359 he's very intelligent to get people like sucked into a 2236 01:40:01.399 --> 01:40:03.560 certain way and then he like destroys them this way 2237 01:40:03.800 --> 01:40:06.680 right right, calculates every movie does is calculated, you know. 2238 01:40:06.720 --> 01:40:09.079 So so to me, it's like, I I do almost 2239 01:40:09.119 --> 01:40:11.880 want I mean, I I think there's two ways that 2240 01:40:11.920 --> 01:40:14.359 I wonder how these guys are going to react later. 2241 01:40:14.520 --> 01:40:16.720 What sounds like Jaron is maybe he's already calculating where 2242 01:40:16.760 --> 01:40:19.399 he's going to make his next grift is to go 2243 01:40:19.479 --> 01:40:22.760 for yeah, to promote to promote the ball Earth but 2244 01:40:22.960 --> 01:40:25.920 with it. If he does not do that, I would 2245 01:40:25.960 --> 01:40:30.000 want I think what a genuine reaction for how things 2246 01:40:30.039 --> 01:40:34.640 are being portrayed is that he's he was been used 2247 01:40:35.319 --> 01:40:36.800 and then he was starting to get mad and he 2248 01:40:36.840 --> 01:40:38.439 would start to see like I don't like the way 2249 01:40:38.520 --> 01:40:42.000 things have been presented, and I do think it looks 2250 01:40:42.000 --> 01:40:45.399 like just like an admission that this looks bad, like 2251 01:40:45.520 --> 01:40:48.359 for it makes me look bad, it makes this whole 2252 01:40:48.520 --> 01:40:51.159 experiment look bad on the way things are kind of 2253 01:40:51.159 --> 01:40:54.560 coming out the way they are, instead of like being 2254 01:40:54.640 --> 01:40:56.800 mad at the people who are exposing the things. I mean, 2255 01:40:57.079 --> 01:40:59.960 I would be mad if somebody clipped part of me 2256 01:41:00.039 --> 01:41:01.920 he added to me to make it look worse than 2257 01:41:01.920 --> 01:41:05.680 it was. But there's already enough like legitimate things that 2258 01:41:05.720 --> 01:41:08.720 people are pointing out to say. Yet I want to 2259 01:41:08.760 --> 01:41:12.800 hear like, yeah, that does look bad, but or something, 2260 01:41:12.800 --> 01:41:14.119 you know what I mean, Like we're like you kind 2261 01:41:14.119 --> 01:41:15.520 of like you know what I'm saying, Like we're at 2262 01:41:15.600 --> 01:41:17.600 least a little humility in this where it's not like 2263 01:41:18.079 --> 01:41:21.399 that I'm raging against the people who are Yeah, some 2264 01:41:21.439 --> 01:41:25.600 people literally legitimately feel like they're defending the Bible by 2265 01:41:25.640 --> 01:41:28.479 pointing out that you guys are liars. And maybe maybe 2266 01:41:28.479 --> 01:41:32.239 you could ask Will Duffy, maybe what they're doing is 2267 01:41:32.279 --> 01:41:36.159 okay because they've got their intention is to defend God's work, 2268 01:41:37.840 --> 01:41:39.720 you know, like you've muddied the waters now, so maybe 2269 01:41:39.720 --> 01:41:40.800 that's fair game, right. 2270 01:41:41.039 --> 01:41:43.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I and honestly I've looked 2271 01:41:43.920 --> 01:41:46.720 at uh. I didn't buy it because he did put 2272 01:41:46.720 --> 01:41:49.560 it up. But Jenen does have like a five hour 2273 01:41:49.760 --> 01:41:52.159 body cam of him getting on the plane, of him 2274 01:41:52.279 --> 01:41:56.079 of him getting on the plane, them doing uh, you know, putting, 2275 01:41:58.079 --> 01:42:01.560 showing a compass, everything showing out the windows. So he 2276 01:42:01.600 --> 01:42:03.880 does have like a he has like a whole entire 2277 01:42:03.920 --> 01:42:05.960 thing out and I've seen clips of it, you know. 2278 01:42:06.359 --> 01:42:10.359 So dude, we've also seen people walk on the moon, Josh, Yeah, 2279 01:42:10.359 --> 01:42:14.079 I know, I know, I see video. Richard Nixon called 2280 01:42:14.119 --> 01:42:16.079 those guys when they're on the moon, how can they 2281 01:42:16.119 --> 01:42:17.960 affect how can they how can they affect that? 2282 01:42:18.279 --> 01:42:21.079 Yeah, I know, I know, So I would say at 2283 01:42:21.079 --> 01:42:25.359 this point personally, I think they did go to Antarctica. 2284 01:42:26.319 --> 01:42:29.319 I think that that Jared did did uh? You know, 2285 01:42:29.359 --> 01:42:31.319 I think they did go. I'm not going to doubt 2286 01:42:31.359 --> 01:42:33.319 that they went to Antarctica. I think they did go. 2287 01:42:33.399 --> 01:42:35.439 And a lot of these people like King Nico and 2288 01:42:35.479 --> 01:42:37.760 Flatterer with Banjo, I think that they they do believe 2289 01:42:37.800 --> 01:42:39.840 they went to Antarctica. They're not going to deny that. 2290 01:42:40.319 --> 01:42:43.479 So seeing the twenty four hour Sun, I don't know, man, 2291 01:42:43.640 --> 01:42:45.439 I gotta see. I'm not gonna call Jared a liar 2292 01:42:45.520 --> 01:42:48.359 or call whitsonal liar at this moment. I want to 2293 01:42:48.399 --> 01:42:50.359 see all the footage. I want to have Jared on 2294 01:42:50.399 --> 01:42:52.119 my show in two weeks and maybe talk to him. 2295 01:42:52.399 --> 01:42:54.199 I'm not going to say that they're lying, you know, 2296 01:42:54.640 --> 01:42:56.720 I'm not gonna say that that that any of these 2297 01:42:56.720 --> 01:42:59.159 people are lying. All I'm gonna say is I think 2298 01:42:59.199 --> 01:42:59.600 they didn't. 2299 01:42:59.600 --> 01:43:01.560 You You won't go as far to say as that 2300 01:43:01.600 --> 01:43:02.560 he lied about the babe. 2301 01:43:03.079 --> 01:43:05.319 Oh no, I'm not going to say oh that part, 2302 01:43:05.479 --> 01:43:08.560 Oh yeah, that part I told you that that's undecided 2303 01:43:08.600 --> 01:43:09.600 At this moment. 2304 01:43:11.520 --> 01:43:12.319 You just don't want to say. 2305 01:43:12.359 --> 01:43:14.039 You could say like I just don't want to be 2306 01:43:14.159 --> 01:43:16.159 you can say that you can't like what I said 2307 01:43:16.520 --> 01:43:18.359 on my thing, and I'm this is what I stick by. 2308 01:43:18.439 --> 01:43:22.239 I say, do I believe he lied? Yes, I believe it. 2309 01:43:22.319 --> 01:43:25.119 Could I be wrong, Yes, I could be wrong, but 2310 01:43:25.159 --> 01:43:29.279 I believe. But I believe I do not tru And 2311 01:43:29.319 --> 01:43:31.720 that's what I was saying, like that, I feel confident 2312 01:43:31.720 --> 01:43:33.560 in saying here's why I don't believe you in the 2313 01:43:33.600 --> 01:43:35.840 same way that I'm not being a hypocrite because I said, 2314 01:43:35.840 --> 01:43:37.880 if it was Mound Kid did that, I wouldn't believe 2315 01:43:37.880 --> 01:43:38.359 mand Kid. 2316 01:43:39.359 --> 01:43:41.920 It was the weirdest thing, bro the way the flatwood 2317 01:43:42.039 --> 01:43:42.880 was weird saying that. 2318 01:43:43.239 --> 01:43:45.199 But do you believe one of your employees? You know 2319 01:43:45.199 --> 01:43:46.199 what I'm saying, Would you believe? 2320 01:43:46.239 --> 01:43:46.319 Like? 2321 01:43:46.319 --> 01:43:46.520 Who? 2322 01:43:46.760 --> 01:43:46.920 Who? 2323 01:43:46.960 --> 01:43:48.479 Would would you believe your spouse? 2324 01:43:50.239 --> 01:43:50.439 You know? 2325 01:43:50.760 --> 01:43:52.199 Like I'm say, like, that's what I'm saying. 2326 01:43:52.199 --> 01:43:54.199 When you hear somebody talking to you like that, what's 2327 01:43:54.239 --> 01:43:57.119 your natural reaction is like, it's not because I'm trying 2328 01:43:57.119 --> 01:43:58.159 to make a liar out of you. 2329 01:43:58.239 --> 01:44:00.720 It's like because you sound like you lie to me. 2330 01:44:01.119 --> 01:44:03.319 Yeah, And I think that that's like, that's that's just 2331 01:44:03.439 --> 01:44:05.520 being just being fair and flatzoid. 2332 01:44:05.800 --> 01:44:07.239 He's one of my friends too. I listened to this 2333 01:44:07.319 --> 01:44:11.279 show all the time. He's so he was telling he 2334 01:44:11.319 --> 01:44:13.680 wasn't lying to wits It when you he was. He 2335 01:44:13.720 --> 01:44:17.039 wasn't lying either because he believes what he's saying, you know, 2336 01:44:17.199 --> 01:44:19.359 so so for for wits It to say that you're 2337 01:44:19.399 --> 01:44:23.000 lying right now or he's lying, like they shouldn't do that, bro. 2338 01:44:22.960 --> 01:44:25.720 Well right, they're they're they're arguing about something that's like 2339 01:44:27.039 --> 01:44:30.079 It's like I think that that's what probably because wits 2340 01:44:30.119 --> 01:44:32.239 it is It is good at debating, so he kind 2341 01:44:32.279 --> 01:44:32.680 of knows how. 2342 01:44:32.960 --> 01:44:35.520 That's why he wanted to. He wanted him in that arena. 2343 01:44:35.840 --> 01:44:37.840 He wanted it like basically he didn't want to, Like 2344 01:44:37.880 --> 01:44:39.880 I didn't see him coming out on his show live. 2345 01:44:40.000 --> 01:44:41.720 He hasn't been doing anything and that's how he makes 2346 01:44:41.760 --> 01:44:42.319 his money. Bro. 2347 01:44:42.399 --> 01:44:44.319 That's see if it was me, See if it was me, 2348 01:44:44.439 --> 01:44:45.880 this is this is how I would do it. I 2349 01:44:45.920 --> 01:44:48.279 would I would be like, Okay, I'm going to ask 2350 01:44:48.319 --> 01:44:50.520 you some questions because here's what I saw, and I 2351 01:44:50.520 --> 01:44:52.600 would do it like a reporter style. Well, I'm saying, 2352 01:44:53.880 --> 01:44:56.199 do you understand why people don't believe you when you 2353 01:44:56.239 --> 01:44:58.720 said you accidentally brought a vape to Antarctica? 2354 01:44:58.760 --> 01:45:02.119 After seeing the video? Like you know what I mean? Like, 2355 01:45:02.199 --> 01:45:05.439 is it like would would you believe somebody? 2356 01:45:05.920 --> 01:45:08.359 So if you if you were saying the things you said, 2357 01:45:08.920 --> 01:45:10.960 and then if you did that, and I could say, 2358 01:45:11.880 --> 01:45:15.079 and also as a Christian, do you think you should 2359 01:45:15.079 --> 01:45:18.359 be calling people names as you're as you're quoting the 2360 01:45:18.359 --> 01:45:20.319 Old Testament saying that they're they're sinning? 2361 01:45:21.840 --> 01:45:22.399 You know what I'm saying? 2362 01:45:22.399 --> 01:45:24.800 Like it isn't that kind of almost like saying like 2363 01:45:24.840 --> 01:45:28.279 when when Jesus says, do you not call your brother 2364 01:45:28.319 --> 01:45:28.760 a fool? 2365 01:45:30.039 --> 01:45:30.239 Right? 2366 01:45:30.319 --> 01:45:32.760 So what is that not equal to call somebody a fool? 2367 01:45:32.760 --> 01:45:34.560 So look what about when Jesus says this? Does that 2368 01:45:34.600 --> 01:45:37.840 bother you that you could be talking like this? And 2369 01:45:37.880 --> 01:45:40.079 then you're supposed to be representing this And again you're 2370 01:45:40.119 --> 01:45:45.560 actually supposed to be representing not only you know, science, 2371 01:45:46.239 --> 01:45:48.439 but Christ because you were going down there doing this thing. 2372 01:45:48.479 --> 01:45:52.199 So like you would understand that if your audience, who 2373 01:45:52.359 --> 01:45:57.680 likes you, enjoys watching you pick apart NASA, do you 2374 01:45:57.760 --> 01:46:00.600 not consider that you would be picked up are equally? 2375 01:46:00.640 --> 01:46:02.399 And also you'd have to give these people the benefit 2376 01:46:02.439 --> 01:46:04.479 of the doubt because they feel like you're trying to 2377 01:46:04.560 --> 01:46:07.920 undermine what they believe in what you said, you believe that's. 2378 01:46:07.760 --> 01:46:10.840 Why you gotta be careful, bro, you can't. There's certain 2379 01:46:10.880 --> 01:46:13.640 ways that like maybe he didn't. I just I don't 2380 01:46:13.640 --> 01:46:17.239 think that he thought that people would just not believe 2381 01:46:17.279 --> 01:46:20.439 him because he's been representing the debate's style. 2382 01:46:20.640 --> 01:46:22.640 Well that and I think, but I think that immediate 2383 01:46:22.840 --> 01:46:23.720 people didn't believe. 2384 01:46:24.119 --> 01:46:26.880 Well, that's what I'm saying, Like, because dude, I have Dude, 2385 01:46:26.920 --> 01:46:28.800 this is the game man, It's like, this is what 2386 01:46:28.920 --> 01:46:30.479 this is what we've chosen to do. 2387 01:46:31.079 --> 01:46:32.359 I put myself out there. 2388 01:46:32.399 --> 01:46:35.359 You put yourself out there and people will start to 2389 01:46:35.479 --> 01:46:39.199 question you, and rightfully so, because like why I always say, 2390 01:46:39.199 --> 01:46:39.800 don't trust me. 2391 01:46:39.880 --> 01:46:41.119 I tell people to not trust me. 2392 01:46:41.279 --> 01:46:45.560 I tell people research to check behind the things I 2393 01:46:45.640 --> 01:46:49.479 say because I could be an idol to somebody at 2394 01:46:49.479 --> 01:46:51.319 some point, and like I don't want to be responsible 2395 01:46:51.359 --> 01:46:54.319 for everything that they believe or they think. So so 2396 01:46:54.640 --> 01:46:57.239 that being said, I like I just said, if if 2397 01:46:57.279 --> 01:47:00.319 I got on Joe Rogan, lots of people would say, hmmm, 2398 01:47:01.319 --> 01:47:01.800 how did he go? 2399 01:47:02.239 --> 01:47:02.800 Immediately? 2400 01:47:03.159 --> 01:47:04.800 How did he how did he get on that show? 2401 01:47:04.880 --> 01:47:06.560 And fully have they would right. 2402 01:47:06.479 --> 01:47:09.319 Does JT have one hundred thousand followers on Instagram? And 2403 01:47:09.359 --> 01:47:11.600 how does he get on Joe Rogan that's exactly right. 2404 01:47:11.880 --> 01:47:13.399 So then you would say, so then all a sudden 2405 01:47:13.399 --> 01:47:16.840 they'd be like j T sounded a little different when 2406 01:47:16.840 --> 01:47:18.720 he was on the show too. He didn't talk like 2407 01:47:18.760 --> 01:47:21.600 he normally does. He like he said he's And then 2408 01:47:21.640 --> 01:47:23.640 they would start to pick apart things that I said 2409 01:47:23.680 --> 01:47:26.399 and inconsistencies and things I said, and they would be 2410 01:47:26.479 --> 01:47:29.720 like they got to him, They got to him. He's 2411 01:47:29.760 --> 01:47:32.880 getting paid, and you know what the point is is 2412 01:47:32.920 --> 01:47:36.439 like that, and I would say it's fair game. I 2413 01:47:36.479 --> 01:47:38.880 would say it's fair game to be questioned, like if 2414 01:47:38.920 --> 01:47:41.159 I didn't come in there and I didn't speak with integrity, 2415 01:47:41.159 --> 01:47:44.760 if I changed anything that I did, so knowing that, 2416 01:47:45.079 --> 01:47:48.239 knowing that's the these these decisions you make in your 2417 01:47:48.279 --> 01:47:53.359 life to put yourself out there for being a truther, Yeah, 2418 01:47:53.439 --> 01:47:54.319 that's that's part. 2419 01:47:54.359 --> 01:47:55.479 That's part and parcel of it. 2420 01:47:55.520 --> 01:47:58.800 So you're held accountable at a higher level than than 2421 01:47:58.880 --> 01:47:59.399 Joe Schmoe. 2422 01:48:00.119 --> 01:48:03.399 Uh yeah, and you're representing Yeah, and and I agree, 2423 01:48:03.560 --> 01:48:06.560 I totally agree, man, And he did. He did say 2424 01:48:07.039 --> 01:48:09.520 I understand you guys questioning it, and he said he's 2425 01:48:09.520 --> 01:48:12.199 not against that obviously, but if you put yourself in 2426 01:48:12.239 --> 01:48:15.640 their shoes, okay, let's say you're you're Jared, You're with's it, 2427 01:48:15.880 --> 01:48:20.079 you're Elizabeth, uh, and you went out there one and 2428 01:48:20.960 --> 01:48:24.920 you did go through the whole entire experience. You did, 2429 01:48:25.520 --> 01:48:27.760 you know, lack of sleep, everything you went through. I've 2430 01:48:27.760 --> 01:48:29.680 been in the military before, bro, and it's literally it's 2431 01:48:29.720 --> 01:48:32.199 hurry up and wait, hurry up and wait, move, hurry 2432 01:48:32.279 --> 01:48:34.760 up and wait, move, pack up, move, hurry up, wait move. 2433 01:48:35.359 --> 01:48:37.760 I put myself in their shoes. That's what I try 2434 01:48:37.800 --> 01:48:40.800 to do for anybody. And I'm just gonna say, at 2435 01:48:40.800 --> 01:48:43.319 this moment, like I I do believe that they went there, 2436 01:48:43.600 --> 01:48:47.000 And at this moment, I do believe that part. You know, 2437 01:48:47.119 --> 01:48:49.680 I'm gonna obviously want to wait for everything to come 2438 01:48:49.680 --> 01:48:52.920 out before I make my decision, my final decision on everything. Obviously, 2439 01:48:53.000 --> 01:48:55.760 I want to see all the footage, decision, the final 2440 01:48:55.800 --> 01:48:57.840 decision on when did I believe the whole thing? Dude. 2441 01:48:57.880 --> 01:49:01.279 That's that's all. But at this moment, like like you said, 2442 01:49:01.359 --> 01:49:04.199 he kept in contact with me. I think Jared, obviously 2443 01:49:04.199 --> 01:49:06.159 people think that he is a shield at this moment, 2444 01:49:06.199 --> 01:49:09.439 and he is totally compromising and and and I want 2445 01:49:09.439 --> 01:49:11.279 to invite him on my show, bro to talk to him, 2446 01:49:11.319 --> 01:49:13.920 But I want to attract people to the faith, bro, 2447 01:49:14.039 --> 01:49:17.079 Like like Jaren, Yeah, he's not a Christian at this moment. 2448 01:49:17.159 --> 01:49:18.880 I want to attract him to the faith. I don't 2449 01:49:18.920 --> 01:49:23.600 want to detract anybody, bro. My My number one goal 2450 01:49:23.840 --> 01:49:26.319 is to get people to believe in you know, the 2451 01:49:26.359 --> 01:49:28.840 God and and to attract them to Jesus and get 2452 01:49:28.840 --> 01:49:31.000 them saved. That's my goal. My number one goal is 2453 01:49:31.239 --> 01:49:34.279 to prove that the moonlighting is fake, you know what 2454 01:49:34.319 --> 01:49:37.760 I mean. But I enjoy talking about it, but I 2455 01:49:37.800 --> 01:49:39.279 want to I want to make sure I do that, 2456 01:49:39.319 --> 01:49:41.239 so so I want to. So the only way for 2457 01:49:41.359 --> 01:49:43.720 me to be able to leverage that and try to 2458 01:49:43.720 --> 01:49:46.920 get Jared, you know, to believe and try to lead 2459 01:49:46.960 --> 01:49:49.039 him to Christ is that invite him on the show, 2460 01:49:49.560 --> 01:49:52.159 not blasphemy him or or anything like that, and find 2461 01:49:52.159 --> 01:49:55.479 out exactly what he went through, the experience he went through. Uh, 2462 01:49:55.520 --> 01:49:57.479 he could probably go through, you know, from day one, 2463 01:49:57.680 --> 01:49:59.840 exactly what happened. And I just want to find out 2464 01:49:59.880 --> 01:50:03.760 what how it was and the experience. But I want 2465 01:50:03.760 --> 01:50:06.239 to wait for everything to drop before I make any 2466 01:50:06.279 --> 01:50:08.920 kind of decision, because people are the gun. Bro. 2467 01:50:09.119 --> 01:50:11.479 Yeah, A couple of things though, go ahead, what do 2468 01:50:11.600 --> 01:50:13.680 you think about the way that the sun seemed to 2469 01:50:14.119 --> 01:50:16.960 warp when it was doing that, when it was going around? 2470 01:50:17.000 --> 01:50:18.479 Did you notice that I did that? 2471 01:50:18.560 --> 01:50:22.079 I did it stretched, it stretched, it squeezed, and it 2472 01:50:22.800 --> 01:50:25.560 I at this moment all we have right now, this 2473 01:50:25.680 --> 01:50:28.520 is what I think should have happened. Bro. One Here's 2474 01:50:28.520 --> 01:50:31.600 something I forgot to mention. They did have a live 2475 01:50:31.640 --> 01:50:36.079 stream of the sun on Candice Owen's Rumble and they 2476 01:50:36.079 --> 01:50:38.479 were live streaming the twenty four hour Sun. Bro. If 2477 01:50:38.479 --> 01:50:40.680 they would have live streamed the twenty four hour Sun, 2478 01:50:41.439 --> 01:50:44.800 there would be everybody would have been not even questioning it. 2479 01:50:44.880 --> 01:50:45.520 But what happened? 2480 01:50:46.760 --> 01:50:48.239 Oh yeah, yeah, oh yea yeah, yeah, they would have 2481 01:50:48.319 --> 01:50:50.279 questioned it still, but they wouldn't have questioned it as much, 2482 01:50:50.319 --> 01:50:50.479 you know. 2483 01:50:50.600 --> 01:50:51.119 Yeah. 2484 01:50:51.199 --> 01:50:56.079 Anyways, you're right, they're still a question that the live 2485 01:50:56.159 --> 01:50:59.199 stream cut off after like an hour and forty four 2486 01:50:59.239 --> 01:51:02.600 minutes and they erase the video off of off of brumble. 2487 01:51:02.920 --> 01:51:06.319 Now there's people, bro, that were literally watching that video 2488 01:51:06.600 --> 01:51:08.520 when that happened, and they were like, what the heck? 2489 01:51:08.560 --> 01:51:10.960 And these are conspiracy theorists, mind you? All right? 2490 01:51:11.119 --> 01:51:11.800 So yeah, so. 2491 01:51:12.119 --> 01:51:14.520 Probably sold Dave shout out to him. He was one 2492 01:51:14.520 --> 01:51:16.560 of them that was watching it, and he was literally 2493 01:51:16.760 --> 01:51:19.199 he said he put it, he put it, put it 2494 01:51:19.239 --> 01:51:21.399 on record, and he and he took off, he went 2495 01:51:21.439 --> 01:51:23.039 to sleep, came back and it was gone, and he 2496 01:51:23.119 --> 01:51:25.279 was like, whoa. So that is a red flag for 2497 01:51:25.319 --> 01:51:27.600 these people, bro, there's there's red flags that happened, Bro, 2498 01:51:27.680 --> 01:51:28.880 that made it, that made it. 2499 01:51:28.880 --> 01:51:31.279 So here here's another one. And I could be wrong. 2500 01:51:31.319 --> 01:51:33.520 I've heard this, and you would probably be the person 2501 01:51:33.640 --> 01:51:37.159 asked what other experiments did the flat earthers do while 2502 01:51:37.159 --> 01:51:37.800 they were down there? 2503 01:51:38.359 --> 01:51:40.560 Okay, so at this moment, I don't know everything that 2504 01:51:40.600 --> 01:51:42.319 they did. They haven't they had. 2505 01:51:42.199 --> 01:51:43.000 That I've heard. 2506 01:51:43.039 --> 01:51:45.039 I've heard people say they didn't do any. 2507 01:51:45.439 --> 01:51:47.760 Yeah, and you know what people are saying that, But 2508 01:51:47.760 --> 01:51:49.560 I haven't heard that from jar and I haven't heard 2509 01:51:49.560 --> 01:51:50.560 that from wits it themselves. 2510 01:51:50.600 --> 01:51:53.520 What what would you What would you say if you 2511 01:51:53.600 --> 01:51:55.439 found out they didn't do any other experiments when they 2512 01:51:55.439 --> 01:51:55.960 were down there? 2513 01:51:57.239 --> 01:52:01.000 I would say that I don't want to judge them, bro, 2514 01:52:01.079 --> 01:52:05.600 because I don't. Okay, I've been in in the military. 2515 01:52:05.640 --> 01:52:09.640 I feel like you're trying to to be overly nice. 2516 01:52:08.720 --> 01:52:13.680 I know that, like I'm not, and I'm not trying 2517 01:52:13.680 --> 01:52:15.279 to push you too hard. But I'm trying to say 2518 01:52:15.319 --> 01:52:18.640 is that if they don't get any experiment, you like, 2519 01:52:18.720 --> 01:52:20.359 you know that you know these guys and I and 2520 01:52:20.439 --> 01:52:22.439 I said, I respect the fact I don't know these guys. 2521 01:52:22.439 --> 01:52:24.000 I don't know them like that either though. 2522 01:52:24.159 --> 01:52:26.920 That's why I'm trying to say that if you like, 2523 01:52:27.560 --> 01:52:31.000 even if there's people that I know who did that, 2524 01:52:31.359 --> 01:52:32.199 I would be like. 2525 01:52:32.960 --> 01:52:33.520 Okay, So. 2526 01:52:35.039 --> 01:52:38.239 If I'm going on somebody else's dime, and let's just 2527 01:52:38.279 --> 01:52:41.319 say they have this agenda to to to throw this 2528 01:52:41.520 --> 01:52:44.560 final experiment in the face of all flat earthers, well 2529 01:52:44.600 --> 01:52:47.000 then I'm going to have a CounterPunch. 2530 01:52:47.000 --> 01:52:48.680 I'm gonna either I'm gonna have two things. 2531 01:52:48.720 --> 01:52:51.479 I'm going to have a potential argument that still fits 2532 01:52:51.520 --> 01:52:55.079 the fits a flat Earth model. Right, I'm already gonna 2533 01:52:55.079 --> 01:52:57.600 have that because obviously have tons of time to get down. 2534 01:52:57.560 --> 01:52:58.159 In the chamber. 2535 01:52:58.239 --> 01:53:00.600 I've got I've got what you're thinking, Like they've decided 2536 01:53:00.640 --> 01:53:01.880 to go in this thing is like how long have 2537 01:53:01.960 --> 01:53:03.760 you had to think about it? Obviously they know about 2538 01:53:03.760 --> 01:53:06.720 like Joe Hanby's model. It seems to show like with 2539 01:53:06.760 --> 01:53:09.479 the dome reflection that kind of a thing. Other you know, 2540 01:53:09.520 --> 01:53:13.159 there's other obviously alternative explanations, but that I'm going to 2541 01:53:13.239 --> 01:53:16.720 have that in my back pocket because I'm just saying 2542 01:53:16.840 --> 01:53:17.520 I'm skeptical. 2543 01:53:17.560 --> 01:53:18.880 I don't know what I'm going to see. 2544 01:53:19.119 --> 01:53:21.119 Yeah, but if I see this, I'm going to say, 2545 01:53:21.279 --> 01:53:23.840 here's a potential idea. And I might even float that 2546 01:53:23.920 --> 01:53:24.600 idea first. 2547 01:53:25.560 --> 01:53:27.960 But then what I'm going to do is I'm going. 2548 01:53:27.800 --> 01:53:30.399 To have other experiments while I'm down there, because I'm 2549 01:53:30.399 --> 01:53:31.920 going to say, well, I didn't agree that it was 2550 01:53:31.960 --> 01:53:32.640 a final experiment. 2551 01:53:32.680 --> 01:53:34.359 And here's why, because actually. 2552 01:53:34.119 --> 01:53:36.399 I did this experiment, and I did this experiment, and 2553 01:53:36.439 --> 01:53:40.359 actually this does seem to conclude. Like again, people say 2554 01:53:40.359 --> 01:53:42.239 they could use distance things, and they could say that 2555 01:53:42.239 --> 01:53:44.159 because obviously, because it's a flat plane, you could see 2556 01:53:45.359 --> 01:53:47.880 really far right like you could you could do different 2557 01:53:47.960 --> 01:53:52.600 kinds of experiments that way you would come back and 2558 01:53:52.600 --> 01:53:56.640 you wouldn't come back like you And. 2559 01:53:56.600 --> 01:53:59.199 I think that some bullets in the chamber right. 2560 01:53:59.439 --> 01:53:59.920 Well, that's see. 2561 01:54:00.000 --> 01:54:03.279 I think that is the problem is that why did 2562 01:54:04.600 --> 01:54:06.640 I was kind of skeptical from about the whole thing 2563 01:54:06.680 --> 01:54:09.600 at the very beginning was that they were saying not 2564 01:54:09.680 --> 01:54:12.800 saying a whole lot. And then I saw the videos 2565 01:54:12.800 --> 01:54:14.520 of them saying like I'm tired and I'm ready to 2566 01:54:14.560 --> 01:54:16.880 come home, almost like their Forrest Gump who just went 2567 01:54:16.920 --> 01:54:19.600 on that journey and he just was running other I'm tired, 2568 01:54:19.680 --> 01:54:22.720 and everybody's following him, and then they just he just 2569 01:54:22.800 --> 01:54:24.920 leaves them out in the middle of the desert. Like 2570 01:54:25.000 --> 01:54:27.960 that's kind of what these guys did to flat earthers, right. 2571 01:54:28.000 --> 01:54:30.760 So to me, it's like if you don't like, you 2572 01:54:30.800 --> 01:54:32.000 know what I mean, like the fact that it's like 2573 01:54:32.079 --> 01:54:34.960 they just sounded defeated and then they were ready to 2574 01:54:35.000 --> 01:54:37.680 go home, and it's like to me, it's like maybe 2575 01:54:37.720 --> 01:54:40.119 that was always the intent, is like that that's what 2576 01:54:40.119 --> 01:54:43.760 they wanted to project. Not saying that those guys specific specifically, 2577 01:54:43.800 --> 01:54:47.239 but the people who labeled the Final Experiment did that. 2578 01:54:47.680 --> 01:54:50.279 They made him look stupid. They made the flatters look stupid, 2579 01:54:50.359 --> 01:54:52.000 right when they go down there and they see it. 2580 01:54:51.960 --> 01:54:54.239 Bro and mctune. Did you know about mctune? Bro? He 2581 01:54:54.640 --> 01:54:58.319 called Nathan Oakley road. He was like yelling at him, saying, 2582 01:54:58.399 --> 01:55:01.960 I'm in Antarctica, you idiot. And he's a Christian mind 2583 01:55:02.000 --> 01:55:04.640 you mc tune supposedly, right, Christian. I'm not saying as 2584 01:55:04.680 --> 01:55:06.560 there is and I don't know what his relationship is 2585 01:55:06.600 --> 01:55:09.119 with God. But he calls Nathan Oakley, which is like 2586 01:55:09.399 --> 01:55:11.399 a big debater in the Flattered community, and he goes, 2587 01:55:11.600 --> 01:55:14.960 I'm in Antarctica. Where's the guns, you idiot? You're such 2588 01:55:14.960 --> 01:55:17.199 a lie And then Nathan Oakley was like, like in 2589 01:55:17.239 --> 01:55:20.319 twenty fourteen, Nathan Oakley said something like if you try 2590 01:55:20.359 --> 01:55:22.720 to go to Antarctica, they'll they'll stop you with guns 2591 01:55:22.760 --> 01:55:25.920 and stuff like that. So mc tune calls him, it's 2592 01:55:25.960 --> 01:55:27.399 like a hit piece I think they're gonna do on 2593 01:55:27.479 --> 01:55:31.439 the documentary, calls Nathan Oakley live on his show, gets 2594 01:55:31.439 --> 01:55:35.359 into his discord basically and says, you know, you're such 2595 01:55:35.399 --> 01:55:37.399 a liar to your community. You're a liar. 2596 01:55:37.439 --> 01:55:38.960 You're a liar, yelling. 2597 01:55:38.680 --> 01:55:41.000 At the guy bro and Nathan Oakley's like, man, I 2598 01:55:41.039 --> 01:55:43.159 feel great knowing that I'm rent free in your head, 2599 01:55:43.199 --> 01:55:46.119 you know. Or you're gonna call me from Antarctica and 2600 01:55:46.199 --> 01:55:47.199 tell me this right now. 2601 01:55:47.279 --> 01:55:50.439 So I thought it was so that's what I'm saying, 2602 01:55:50.479 --> 01:55:55.600 So like, so let me just ask let me just 2603 01:55:55.640 --> 01:55:57.000 ask you a question just to follow up what I 2604 01:55:57.039 --> 01:56:00.680 was saying. Go ahead, you think that that's more reason 2605 01:56:00.680 --> 01:56:02.840 to question them? If they did zero experiments while they 2606 01:56:02.840 --> 01:56:03.399 were down there. 2607 01:56:03.800 --> 01:56:07.640 If they did zero, yes, I think it is. If 2608 01:56:07.640 --> 01:56:10.920 they didn't, if they didn't have anything planned, like I 2609 01:56:10.920 --> 01:56:12.640 think maybe if they threw in the towel and they're 2610 01:56:12.680 --> 01:56:14.800 just like, hey, the twenty four hour sons here, we're done. 2611 01:56:15.039 --> 01:56:19.439 But I haven't heard because from what experiments they did. 2612 01:56:19.479 --> 01:56:22.079 I haven't seen any of their footage. They might have 2613 01:56:22.159 --> 01:56:24.039 done things that we don't know about, and I don't 2614 01:56:24.039 --> 01:56:25.920 want to say it until I find out because I 2615 01:56:26.760 --> 01:56:28.680 don't know what they did. I have no idea. 2616 01:56:28.800 --> 01:56:32.800 Well, because you know that observing the sun is not 2617 01:56:32.840 --> 01:56:37.359 an experiment at all, anyone observation, it's not even an experiment. 2618 01:56:37.479 --> 01:56:39.880 So it's like, so the final experiment was actually no 2619 01:56:40.000 --> 01:56:43.199 experiments at all, but that's not an experiment. 2620 01:56:43.279 --> 01:56:46.479 The globers were doing experiments there though, and they did 2621 01:56:46.600 --> 01:56:51.239 experiments and there were okay, so now okay, so we're 2622 01:56:51.239 --> 01:56:53.479 gonna hear about them. 2623 01:56:54.000 --> 01:56:57.199 So that's what I'm saying, bro like that, if the 2624 01:56:57.199 --> 01:57:02.960 globers were doing experiments and then the flat earthers did nothing. 2625 01:57:03.640 --> 01:57:04.479 Which I don't know yet. 2626 01:57:04.479 --> 01:57:06.159 I don't know yet, well, I mean, well, I'm saying 2627 01:57:06.199 --> 01:57:07.960 if yeah, well we'll still wait here. But I would 2628 01:57:08.000 --> 01:57:10.279 say that if they had anything that was probably good, 2629 01:57:10.319 --> 01:57:12.159 they we probably would have heard about it by now. 2630 01:57:12.199 --> 01:57:14.560 I think maybe you'd think to like try to like 2631 01:57:15.159 --> 01:57:17.960 sway the angry mob that's coming after these guys. You 2632 01:57:18.000 --> 01:57:20.760 think that maybe they would have done something. But if 2633 01:57:20.800 --> 01:57:25.880 they didn't, is wouldn't you say that that's more Ammo? 2634 01:57:26.920 --> 01:57:29.039 That this is what a lot of people are saying this. 2635 01:57:29.039 --> 01:57:32.399 This is propaganda. Yeah, this was a one This was 2636 01:57:32.439 --> 01:57:35.800 a one sided thing. And I think at some point 2637 01:57:35.880 --> 01:57:40.039 something somebody needs to ask is have you have you 2638 01:57:40.079 --> 01:57:43.159 have you bought any expensive automobile s lately Austin. 2639 01:57:44.319 --> 01:57:49.199 In their defense, in their defense, they were limited to 2640 01:57:49.279 --> 01:57:52.880 fifty pounds, right, so that that that happened, and then 2641 01:57:52.880 --> 01:57:55.319 when they got there, this is just what they this 2642 01:57:55.399 --> 01:57:58.279 is coming from them, Okay, when they got there, they said, oh, 2643 01:57:58.279 --> 01:58:00.760 you were allowed to have fifty pounds per bad. So 2644 01:58:00.800 --> 01:58:03.439 there was some things there that that was a little shady. 2645 01:58:03.520 --> 01:58:05.600 I know, JT. I know, we're good fierce concern. 2646 01:58:05.640 --> 01:58:06.199 I mean they're. 2647 01:58:09.520 --> 01:58:13.039 I know, and stay out things. Yeah, I'm just pointing 2648 01:58:13.039 --> 01:58:14.720 out things. So I don't know what they. 2649 01:58:14.600 --> 01:58:17.039 Do when you're limited to this, when you're limited to 2650 01:58:17.079 --> 01:58:19.199 this certain thing in the in your in your bag. 2651 01:58:20.760 --> 01:58:22.560 Do you think you'd accidentally take a vape? 2652 01:58:22.760 --> 01:58:25.760 Yeah? No. And me, dude, when I sit back from 2653 01:58:25.760 --> 01:58:27.640 the military, I'm gonna let you guys know something, man, 2654 01:58:27.920 --> 01:58:31.399 and this this inspecific because if you look at if 2655 01:58:31.439 --> 01:58:35.359 you actually researched this this trip, you have certain items 2656 01:58:35.439 --> 01:58:38.319 you have to bring or you cannot go on this trip. 2657 01:58:38.720 --> 01:58:41.119 So you do have to be very thorough on what 2658 01:58:41.279 --> 01:58:43.520 you bring and what you don't bring. And you have 2659 01:58:43.640 --> 01:58:45.560 to look through your bag and have every single thing 2660 01:58:45.600 --> 01:58:48.479 because if it does go sour and let's say that 2661 01:58:48.640 --> 01:58:51.159 the weather gets insane and Antarctica, they want to make 2662 01:58:51.199 --> 01:58:53.399 sure that you have everything ready to go. You have 2663 01:58:53.520 --> 01:58:56.039 to rent jackets or buy them. There's a whole bunch 2664 01:58:56.079 --> 01:58:58.760 of stuff to it. You do have to be thorough 2665 01:58:58.800 --> 01:59:01.000 on what you bring. So the bait thing, that's why 2666 01:59:01.079 --> 01:59:02.359 I said, I'm decided. 2667 01:59:02.439 --> 01:59:03.159 Yeah, that's why I think. 2668 01:59:03.760 --> 01:59:06.479 I think that it is weird. But I just wouldn't go. 2669 01:59:06.800 --> 01:59:08.079 And that's why I would say that. 2670 01:59:08.199 --> 01:59:11.159 To me, it just boils down to a man's integrity 2671 01:59:11.239 --> 01:59:13.840 because if I don't trust him here, if you would 2672 01:59:13.880 --> 01:59:16.840 lie about something small, would you lie about something big. 2673 01:59:17.319 --> 01:59:19.079 Yeah you yeah, I think that you would. I think that. 2674 01:59:19.159 --> 01:59:21.239 I mean, it just shows that you you you can't 2675 01:59:21.279 --> 01:59:23.600 be trusted. It doesn't mean that you're lying. I mean, 2676 01:59:24.640 --> 01:59:26.039 the best a you ever heard the story of the 2677 01:59:26.079 --> 01:59:29.359 Boy who Cried Wolf. He told the truth at the end, 2678 01:59:29.439 --> 01:59:32.159 but nobody believed him. Yeah, you know, so like there 2679 01:59:32.319 --> 01:59:34.000 was a wolf at the end of that story. But 2680 01:59:34.159 --> 01:59:37.239 that's the thing, like eventually no one believed him, and 2681 01:59:37.359 --> 01:59:41.079 that's obviously the moral of that story is you shouldn't 2682 01:59:41.159 --> 01:59:46.000 lie because then people won't trust you later. So yeah, 2683 01:59:46.039 --> 01:59:47.640 and if you're thinking about it, if you're packing for 2684 01:59:47.680 --> 01:59:50.479 a trip, yeah, you know, I remember going to like 2685 01:59:50.560 --> 01:59:52.359 you know, I've done a lot more traveling lately, especially 2686 01:59:52.359 --> 01:59:54.119 doing stuff with video related stuff. 2687 01:59:54.560 --> 01:59:55.760 And of course, yeah, so. 2688 01:59:55.800 --> 01:59:58.319 I'm bringing my camera, I'm bringing my laptop, I'm bringing 2689 01:59:58.399 --> 02:00:00.159 different things, and I'm checking to make sure I got 2690 02:00:00.199 --> 02:00:02.000 everything I need, you know, making sure you got all 2691 02:00:02.039 --> 02:00:03.760 your chords and stuff like that, because I've done that 2692 02:00:03.800 --> 02:00:05.479 where you're like you forgot according You're like, dang, I 2693 02:00:05.560 --> 02:00:08.920 can't even use this thing. So so the idea that 2694 02:00:09.039 --> 02:00:12.600 you would do that and you wouldn't gone through all 2695 02:00:12.640 --> 02:00:16.359 your stuff, is it like I said, it's really unlikely, 2696 02:00:16.439 --> 02:00:18.960 especially because it's like I could go to Las Vegas 2697 02:00:19.319 --> 02:00:21.399 and if I forgot something, I could go buy it 2698 02:00:21.560 --> 02:00:22.199 really easily. 2699 02:00:22.560 --> 02:00:22.760 Yeah. 2700 02:00:22.840 --> 02:00:24.800 There, you know, you could go you could replace anything, 2701 02:00:24.880 --> 02:00:27.199 anything you needed. You could just go get that you forgot. 2702 02:00:27.199 --> 02:00:29.680 Especially charters. Bro, you're gonna go through your charge. 2703 02:00:29.720 --> 02:00:32.920 But I don't know, I don't know what. I don't 2704 02:00:32.920 --> 02:00:33.800 know what antarctica is. 2705 02:00:33.920 --> 02:00:35.840 Like I would probably say, I need to make sure 2706 02:00:35.880 --> 02:00:37.720 I got all this stuff from my equipment. I need 2707 02:00:37.800 --> 02:00:40.000 to do all the things, and I need to use 2708 02:00:40.079 --> 02:00:43.800 this this time wisely because I'm gonna be I'm not 2709 02:00:43.880 --> 02:00:45.560 gonna just be used, you know, like I'm gonna use 2710 02:00:45.560 --> 02:00:48.199 this opportunity to go on somebody else's dime. I'm gonna 2711 02:00:48.279 --> 02:00:50.439 do my own videos. I'm gonna do all kinds of 2712 02:00:50.439 --> 02:00:53.239 stuff for my own content. I'm gonna do experiments. I'm 2713 02:00:53.239 --> 02:00:55.399 gonna you know what I'm saying, Like you would maximize 2714 02:00:55.399 --> 02:00:56.079 your time while. 2715 02:00:55.880 --> 02:00:56.239 You're down there. 2716 02:00:56.279 --> 02:00:58.920 Probably you've got because you've got nothing but time when 2717 02:00:58.920 --> 02:01:02.760 you're sitting on some ice cube, right yeah, right, So 2718 02:01:02.800 --> 02:01:05.720 you would do that. And then so the fact that 2719 02:01:05.800 --> 02:01:07.000 if they didn't do Dave. 2720 02:01:06.920 --> 02:01:09.279 McGegan stayed up, Bro. They said he stayed up for 2721 02:01:09.359 --> 02:01:11.600 forty eight hours, is what they said. Dave Keegan is 2722 02:01:11.640 --> 02:01:15.000 the glober. He is the camera specialist. He's the one 2723 02:01:15.039 --> 02:01:17.199 that filmed the twenty four hour sun, supposedly did the 2724 02:01:17.279 --> 02:01:20.520 time lapse. He has a three sixty camera. Anytime anybody 2725 02:01:20.520 --> 02:01:22.079 had any questions about the camera, they would go to 2726 02:01:22.159 --> 02:01:24.439 Dave mcgagan. Supposedly he was, you know, even though he 2727 02:01:24.840 --> 02:01:27.119 goes against flat earthers, he was supposedly pretty nice guy 2728 02:01:27.159 --> 02:01:29.600 on the trip. But he he stayed up, they said, 2729 02:01:29.680 --> 02:01:32.640 for like he was in it, Bro, he was like 2730 02:01:33.359 --> 02:01:36.920 filming the thing. He stayed up for supposedly forty eight hours, 2731 02:01:36.960 --> 02:01:38.520 which is a lot long time to stay up. I 2732 02:01:38.760 --> 02:01:39.520 don't know if that's what. 2733 02:01:40.560 --> 02:01:42.520 Yeah, what, Yeah, that would be harder to do. 2734 02:01:42.720 --> 02:01:44.960 But I don't know what experiments the globers did yet, 2735 02:01:45.079 --> 02:01:47.279 but I know that they did some experiments down there 2736 02:01:47.319 --> 02:01:49.359 to try to prove the globe. Now, I don't know 2737 02:01:49.479 --> 02:01:51.600 what Jared and Austin did because they haven't put out 2738 02:01:51.600 --> 02:01:53.800 their stuff yet. It's behind a paywall and I'm not 2739 02:01:53.880 --> 02:01:57.159 going to pay for that. Yeah, okay, because I'm a 2740 02:01:57.319 --> 02:01:59.520 content content creator, as well, and I don't make a 2741 02:01:59.520 --> 02:02:01.119 lot of money off of this drug. And if I'm 2742 02:02:01.119 --> 02:02:04.079 gonna put money into something, I'm going to uh try 2743 02:02:04.119 --> 02:02:07.239 to pull it into the podcast, my own podcast, not I. 2744 02:02:07.279 --> 02:02:11.000 Would encourage people to be very skeptical of like giving 2745 02:02:11.079 --> 02:02:14.039 those guys money after what just which just took place, 2746 02:02:14.600 --> 02:02:15.600 because like I said. 2747 02:02:15.439 --> 02:02:15.840 They're. 2748 02:02:17.279 --> 02:02:19.399 Their living just letting you guys know, well. 2749 02:02:19.359 --> 02:02:22.760 Right, yeah, but this so I guess to the point 2750 02:02:22.840 --> 02:02:25.319 is like now that like, you know, I think that 2751 02:02:26.039 --> 02:02:29.159 what we do is we maybe like when my friends 2752 02:02:29.199 --> 02:02:31.399 have a book, I tell people to buy the book 2753 02:02:31.439 --> 02:02:32.960 if you want to store people in that kind of way, 2754 02:02:33.039 --> 02:02:34.640 and like, yeah, like I said, we do a movie, 2755 02:02:35.119 --> 02:02:38.000 I want to give you something, and yeah, like I 2756 02:02:38.079 --> 02:02:39.920 have like obviously, you know, full disclosure, I have a 2757 02:02:39.960 --> 02:02:42.279 subscriber's side and I have a member's only side, and 2758 02:02:42.720 --> 02:02:44.079 and I try to give people, but I mean, these 2759 02:02:44.079 --> 02:02:45.600 are people who just want to support me anyways. 2760 02:02:46.239 --> 02:02:50.520 That being said, like do you believe in what they're doing? 2761 02:02:50.760 --> 02:02:52.399 You know, so like obviously that's if you believe in 2762 02:02:52.439 --> 02:02:55.119 what somebody is doing, then you it's cool to subscribe 2763 02:02:55.199 --> 02:02:58.119 and to support somebody. But at this point, I think 2764 02:02:58.159 --> 02:03:01.560 people maybe be skeptical of like believing what they're doing. 2765 02:03:02.000 --> 02:03:06.119 And so if you pay to see their Patreon, well, 2766 02:03:06.159 --> 02:03:08.760 I mean, don't be surprised if you're disappointed in what 2767 02:03:08.840 --> 02:03:11.479 you see behind that paywall now, because it's like, if 2768 02:03:11.560 --> 02:03:14.399 they had anything really good, they could put it on 2769 02:03:14.560 --> 02:03:16.680 YouTube right now and go viral, and they could well. 2770 02:03:17.119 --> 02:03:18.800 The way the way he put it behind his pay wall, 2771 02:03:18.800 --> 02:03:21.640 I guess he had people that that donated for him 2772 02:03:21.680 --> 02:03:23.720 to get a camera. So what he said is that 2773 02:03:23.800 --> 02:03:26.359 he's gonna give that to them first, you know, and 2774 02:03:26.439 --> 02:03:28.159 then they're seeing it, and then then he puts it 2775 02:03:28.159 --> 02:03:29.680 on his paywall, and then after that he's gonna have 2776 02:03:29.680 --> 02:03:31.439 it released so we'll be able to see it. And 2777 02:03:31.720 --> 02:03:34.079 and Jared, I do respect him, bro, because he had 2778 02:03:34.319 --> 02:03:37.039 a ten hour live yesterday literally where people were calling 2779 02:03:37.119 --> 02:03:39.920 in and he gives them four minutes to be able 2780 02:03:39.960 --> 02:03:42.159 to ask him questions and he was answering the questions. 2781 02:03:42.560 --> 02:03:45.880 And now he is very I'm not trying to tell 2782 02:03:46.079 --> 02:03:48.239 my Christian people to go watch that because he's obviously 2783 02:03:48.479 --> 02:03:50.840 he's not Christian, so he's gonna he's he talks to 2784 02:03:50.880 --> 02:03:53.560 the people, uh, in a way that I wouldn't agree 2785 02:03:53.600 --> 02:03:55.840 with you know, but I'm just telling you, like he did, 2786 02:03:56.279 --> 02:03:59.279 he's transparent, he is having the show. They waited a 2787 02:03:59.359 --> 02:04:01.199 while Bro to come out with anything, and they are 2788 02:04:01.239 --> 02:04:03.239 making their living office. So that was kind of surprising 2789 02:04:03.279 --> 02:04:05.760 to me because I would think that you would put Dude, 2790 02:04:05.800 --> 02:04:08.159 if you're an Antarctica and you and you are making 2791 02:04:08.239 --> 02:04:11.119 a living off this, you wanted to live stream everything, Bro, 2792 02:04:11.479 --> 02:04:13.680 I would be live streaming me. 2793 02:04:14.199 --> 02:04:16.760 I think that was again again that that added to 2794 02:04:16.920 --> 02:04:20.199 my my skepticism was that how quiet they had been 2795 02:04:21.399 --> 02:04:23.800 like during like coming after when they came back, when 2796 02:04:23.800 --> 02:04:27.199 they came very very very quiet, which it almost it 2797 02:04:29.079 --> 02:04:32.279 almost makes me think are they trying to get their 2798 02:04:32.359 --> 02:04:35.520 story straight? Because like, why wouldn't you just come right 2799 02:04:35.560 --> 02:04:38.399 out and just just speak candidly about some of stuff. 2800 02:04:38.560 --> 02:04:40.119 What do you think about? I guess one of the 2801 02:04:40.199 --> 02:04:41.079 things that I'm sure. 2802 02:04:41.000 --> 02:04:43.359 People are going to ask about before we get off 2803 02:04:43.479 --> 02:04:47.520 here is the green screen snaffo with like like the 2804 02:04:47.640 --> 02:04:51.279 guy's jacket showing like the TFE thing. 2805 02:04:51.439 --> 02:04:53.840 I like that. I think he may have done that 2806 02:04:53.920 --> 02:04:58.359 on purpose to see how who's paying attention, because he 2807 02:04:58.640 --> 02:05:00.640 immediately came out with the vig you know, after that, 2808 02:05:01.000 --> 02:05:03.199 saying that and dude, think about it, He's in that article. 2809 02:05:03.279 --> 02:05:05.840 So I was even hearing this stuff. He immediately came 2810 02:05:05.920 --> 02:05:08.119 out with the video after that and said, Hey, this 2811 02:05:08.319 --> 02:05:10.039 is what happened. This is the green this is I'm 2812 02:05:10.039 --> 02:05:12.720 hearing this conspiracy theory from flatzoid and from this person, 2813 02:05:13.119 --> 02:05:15.520 and uh and this is obviously this is what happened. 2814 02:05:15.560 --> 02:05:18.000 So he immediately had an answer right away. So that 2815 02:05:18.159 --> 02:05:22.840 was a little strange. And then Dave Weiss is immediately. 2816 02:05:22.600 --> 02:05:26.479 Dave Weiss seems really like he is trying to defend 2817 02:05:26.600 --> 02:05:27.840 them so hard. 2818 02:05:27.960 --> 02:05:30.720 It's like a damage control for everything that's coming out. 2819 02:05:31.279 --> 02:05:34.359 At first, I actually kind of like kind of respected 2820 02:05:34.399 --> 02:05:36.479 the green because I know I saw immediately Dave Weiss 2821 02:05:36.520 --> 02:05:38.600 did the green screen thing and he said, look, guys, 2822 02:05:42.079 --> 02:05:43.720 and I was like, okay, that's that's cool. I mean 2823 02:05:43.760 --> 02:05:45.880 because I was to make us look stupid because I 2824 02:05:46.680 --> 02:05:48.560 don't know, but I would. I guess the thing is 2825 02:05:48.600 --> 02:05:52.359 like because I filmed stuff like I don't record, like 2826 02:05:52.399 --> 02:05:54.880 I'm in my podcast studio when like you know what 2827 02:05:54.920 --> 02:05:56.159 I mean, Like I feel like that you would have 2828 02:05:56.199 --> 02:05:58.960 recorded a different way. So like the idea that there's 2829 02:05:59.000 --> 02:06:01.640 any kind of green scare technology, like you have to 2830 02:06:01.720 --> 02:06:04.520 play this, you have to record through a different program 2831 02:06:04.640 --> 02:06:06.199 in order to put a green screen on there. 2832 02:06:06.560 --> 02:06:09.119 Okay, I don't know. This is not a green screen. 2833 02:06:09.199 --> 02:06:12.159 This is just a zoom. What's it called zoom? 2834 02:06:13.279 --> 02:06:15.359 But yeah, But the point being is like that if 2835 02:06:15.399 --> 02:06:17.560 I was on location with something like that, I think 2836 02:06:17.560 --> 02:06:17.880 you would. 2837 02:06:19.439 --> 02:06:21.880 It seems weird to me. Again, like as somebody who 2838 02:06:21.960 --> 02:06:23.239 records have done it. 2839 02:06:23.600 --> 02:06:26.560 Okay, think about this, JT. He's a very smart guy. 2840 02:06:26.640 --> 02:06:30.279 Bro Will Duffy is very calculated and he is very smart. Dude, 2841 02:06:31.119 --> 02:06:33.920 he is, dude, he is very intelligent and smart. Even 2842 02:06:33.920 --> 02:06:36.239 when he goes into debates, he has he can he 2843 02:06:36.319 --> 02:06:38.399 can suck you in and he does eat. So I'm 2844 02:06:38.479 --> 02:06:41.119 just gonna say he's very smart. So he could have 2845 02:06:41.239 --> 02:06:45.680 done that on purpose to find out how much we're 2846 02:06:45.720 --> 02:06:47.399 paying attention. Does that make I think? 2847 02:06:47.479 --> 02:06:49.159 I think people already know, But I mean, I guess 2848 02:06:49.199 --> 02:06:52.319 the point is like that, again, this is just another thing. 2849 02:06:52.399 --> 02:06:55.560 It's like it's it's a reason too. What about when 2850 02:06:55.560 --> 02:06:59.000 there's a green screen in in the International Space Station? 2851 02:06:59.159 --> 02:07:01.039 Oh my gosh, people, because everybody does. 2852 02:07:01.920 --> 02:07:05.039 Does everyone say, oh, well, they just had the wrong 2853 02:07:05.199 --> 02:07:09.560 program recording, so there was really actually there. But you 2854 02:07:09.600 --> 02:07:11.279 know what I'm saying, like, so like when you do 2855 02:07:11.479 --> 02:07:12.319 that kind of stuff. 2856 02:07:12.520 --> 02:07:14.199 So did you see the drone footage that he did. 2857 02:07:14.239 --> 02:07:16.479 He basically said, I'm not on a green screen, look 2858 02:07:16.479 --> 02:07:18.720 and and he takes his drone and he puts it 2859 02:07:18.840 --> 02:07:21.000 forward and then he puts it back and and what 2860 02:07:21.119 --> 02:07:23.159 happened was when he put it back and went back, 2861 02:07:23.199 --> 02:07:25.880 and it was like that means that when it's gonna 2862 02:07:25.920 --> 02:07:30.880 hit something and makes that noise. So there's another video 2863 02:07:30.960 --> 02:07:33.359 out saying that that drone was gonna hit the screen 2864 02:07:33.439 --> 02:07:35.439 that they had back to that's why I made the noise. 2865 02:07:35.760 --> 02:07:37.680 Yeah, Eric was getting deeper, bro. 2866 02:07:38.079 --> 02:07:38.239 Eric. 2867 02:07:38.640 --> 02:07:40.680 Eric Dubay had a really interesting video when he was 2868 02:07:40.720 --> 02:07:45.119 showing how they have these these Amazton Amazon's three sixty studios, 2869 02:07:45.159 --> 02:07:47.840 and I was like, uh, jang, that is really you know, 2870 02:07:48.039 --> 02:07:48.880 because I didn't know that. 2871 02:07:48.920 --> 02:07:50.079 They had that kind of technology. 2872 02:07:50.119 --> 02:07:53.279 So when I saw that, I'm like, I'm not saying 2873 02:07:53.399 --> 02:07:55.319 like they did, that's what they were in, but I 2874 02:07:55.439 --> 02:07:59.159 was saying like that, I didn't realize how realistic somebody 2875 02:07:59.199 --> 02:08:02.920 could make a fake, you know, environment. 2876 02:08:03.079 --> 02:08:06.119 And so I saw that you go there and it looks. 2877 02:08:08.239 --> 02:08:10.239 So yeah, yeah, yeah, so I guess the point is 2878 02:08:10.520 --> 02:08:12.640 I guess the point is like that, well, yeah, I 2879 02:08:12.720 --> 02:08:14.760 guess that's when it comes down to. It is that 2880 02:08:15.520 --> 02:08:19.399 that when you have shown that you cannot be trustworthy, 2881 02:08:20.159 --> 02:08:21.760 and then you could, like you said, you have the 2882 02:08:21.840 --> 02:08:25.039 things where like the live streams cut out, Austin Witze 2883 02:08:25.199 --> 02:08:28.359 cuts off his camera, weird things with the green screen, 2884 02:08:28.760 --> 02:08:32.920 these guys posing in some kind of masonic formation, the 2885 02:08:33.079 --> 02:08:36.800 mountains in the background, you know, all those things adding together, 2886 02:08:37.039 --> 02:08:39.319 and it's like I just have a And then again 2887 02:08:39.600 --> 02:08:43.279 the whole emphasis on this being the final experiment, and 2888 02:08:43.399 --> 02:08:46.119 then obviously seeing how it was practically used against somebody 2889 02:08:46.239 --> 02:08:48.960 like me who's not even claiming to be I'm not 2890 02:08:49.119 --> 02:08:52.159 flat earth JT. You know, so like, don't come at 2891 02:08:52.199 --> 02:08:53.680 me with that nonsense. Like I said, I'm not. I 2892 02:08:53.720 --> 02:08:55.880 didn't say there wasn't a twenty four hour son. I'm 2893 02:08:55.880 --> 02:08:58.520 still I'm still saying there might be one. I'm not 2894 02:08:58.760 --> 02:09:02.560 but now I'm saying but now unfortunately, but now unfortunately, 2895 02:09:03.159 --> 02:09:05.359 I'm I can't say I know for sure because I'm 2896 02:09:05.359 --> 02:09:07.239 not sure if I can trust anything I saw like 2897 02:09:07.640 --> 02:09:09.960 this is in the same level of yeah, like that, 2898 02:09:10.119 --> 02:09:12.439 if I'm if I don't trust the NASA people because 2899 02:09:12.439 --> 02:09:16.119 they do Masonic things and then they have green screens 2900 02:09:16.840 --> 02:09:21.960 and they they fake certain aspects of the zero gravity stuff. Well, 2901 02:09:22.000 --> 02:09:24.039 then why would I believe these guys because some other 2902 02:09:24.159 --> 02:09:25.960 person I know likes their content? 2903 02:09:26.680 --> 02:09:29.000 No, like, yeah that you know that, That's not going 2904 02:09:29.079 --> 02:09:29.640 to work for me. 2905 02:09:30.239 --> 02:09:33.479 So now I'm just saying, like that what I've seen 2906 02:09:33.600 --> 02:09:35.560 here and I'd like to see I want to see 2907 02:09:35.640 --> 02:09:37.199 more stuff because I'm not going to go out there 2908 02:09:37.239 --> 02:09:40.560 and say it was all faked. Yeah, but I would 2909 02:09:40.600 --> 02:09:43.880 say that based on Eric Dubay's videos showing how it 2910 02:09:44.000 --> 02:09:47.960 could be faked and then showing like that picture that 2911 02:09:48.199 --> 02:09:53.359 did seem like those mountains could have been a screen 2912 02:09:53.479 --> 02:09:56.840 because it looked exactly like this this previous picture of 2913 02:09:57.000 --> 02:09:59.159 Antarctica that same area, and. 2914 02:09:59.239 --> 02:10:01.479 They looked way I was sixteen guys, if you guys. 2915 02:10:01.600 --> 02:10:03.439 But you know, it's also an interesting because he was saying, 2916 02:10:03.439 --> 02:10:05.520 because he was kind of showing like that, if you 2917 02:10:05.680 --> 02:10:08.119 chroma keyed the background out of thing, like where you 2918 02:10:08.119 --> 02:10:10.560 would get the edge and it's almost like if you 2919 02:10:10.680 --> 02:10:13.000 if you put him out in the background, it would 2920 02:10:13.039 --> 02:10:13.680 look closer. 2921 02:10:14.119 --> 02:10:16.600 They were constantly saying on their lives too. They like, 2922 02:10:17.000 --> 02:10:18.960 I heard Jared and I heard What's It say this 2923 02:10:19.159 --> 02:10:21.119 like a bunch of times, like you guys do not 2924 02:10:21.319 --> 02:10:23.840 want to come out here. This is terrible. You'd never 2925 02:10:23.920 --> 02:10:25.640 want to try to come out here. They said it 2926 02:10:25.720 --> 02:10:27.399 a lot, you know, so that's something, you know what 2927 02:10:27.560 --> 02:10:29.399 you know? And Dave Weiss came on a lot of 2928 02:10:29.439 --> 02:10:32.319 different shows and I and I'm not saying that. I'm 2929 02:10:32.359 --> 02:10:34.880 not saying anything about Jaren or What's It or these 2930 02:10:34.920 --> 02:10:36.720 are just little things that you notice as you go. 2931 02:10:37.680 --> 02:10:40.359 Dave Weiss has been on a bunch of different shows 2932 02:10:40.840 --> 02:10:43.920 doing damage control for withs It and and and Jared 2933 02:10:43.960 --> 02:10:45.960 because that that is his friends. And I understand, and 2934 02:10:46.119 --> 02:10:47.640 I would do the same, man, I would. I would 2935 02:10:47.640 --> 02:10:49.720 go and fight for my friends. And if I don't 2936 02:10:49.720 --> 02:10:52.439 know these people like friends, you know, and JT JT. 2937 02:10:52.560 --> 02:10:54.159 I've been on shows with him, but we don't know 2938 02:10:54.239 --> 02:10:56.279 each other like on a on a basis either, like 2939 02:10:56.600 --> 02:10:58.279 and Jared, I don't know him either like that. I 2940 02:10:58.399 --> 02:10:59.560 just know him from shows and. 2941 02:10:59.560 --> 02:11:03.319 I don't Yeah, and I just you know, you know, 2942 02:11:03.760 --> 02:11:05.439 you know what, I you know what else? They said 2943 02:11:05.439 --> 02:11:06.760 it before we before we got I know, we gotta 2944 02:11:06.840 --> 02:11:08.479 run but you know what else they said, It was like, 2945 02:11:08.880 --> 02:11:12.640 it seems a little suspicious. These mountains look way closer. 2946 02:11:12.720 --> 02:11:13.600 If you got kept. 2947 02:11:13.479 --> 02:11:16.319 Saying that, why you Some of them said that they're 2948 02:11:16.359 --> 02:11:18.439 ten miles away. One of them said they're two miles away. 2949 02:11:18.720 --> 02:11:20.720 These things look so close, we could touch them. They're 2950 02:11:20.760 --> 02:11:22.359 so close. What does that meantime? 2951 02:11:22.960 --> 02:11:23.399 What are they like? 2952 02:11:23.520 --> 02:11:25.720 Uncle Rico? I could throw a football over these mountains? 2953 02:11:25.920 --> 02:11:26.920 What are you talking about? 2954 02:11:26.960 --> 02:11:27.000 Like? 2955 02:11:27.079 --> 02:11:29.399 So if I showed up to Antarctica, I wouldn't know 2956 02:11:29.720 --> 02:11:32.960 how close the mountains are supposed to be be perceived 2957 02:11:33.760 --> 02:11:37.079 to people back home. You know, it's weird because that's 2958 02:11:37.159 --> 02:11:39.960 not really how cameras work either. Because you ever you 2959 02:11:40.039 --> 02:11:42.000 ever taken you ever looked outside and saw the moon 2960 02:11:42.079 --> 02:11:44.319 and say, Dan, you take pictures of it all the time, 2961 02:11:44.520 --> 02:11:47.159 that moon looks huge, and then you take a picture of. 2962 02:11:47.159 --> 02:11:49.840 It, you're like, it's just small. It looks small, doesn't 2963 02:11:50.359 --> 02:11:51.359 and it looks like a light. 2964 02:11:51.920 --> 02:11:55.760 So the so the opposite is typically true. Your own 2965 02:11:55.840 --> 02:11:58.760 eyes do not make it look like the mountains are close. 2966 02:11:59.079 --> 02:12:02.159 They would look like they're where they would look further away, 2967 02:12:02.520 --> 02:12:04.640 and the camera would not make them look closer. 2968 02:12:04.840 --> 02:12:08.319 It would make them look further away, even further away. Yes, right, 2969 02:12:08.399 --> 02:12:10.560 so it takes away some of that refraction and it 2970 02:12:10.720 --> 02:12:12.640 and it puts it like and what it actually kind 2971 02:12:12.640 --> 02:12:13.439 of looks to me. 2972 02:12:14.079 --> 02:12:20.319 To me, that seems like a strange thing to say. Yeah, right, 2973 02:12:20.399 --> 02:12:25.199 it's almost like, hey, these mountains look too close. Look 2974 02:12:25.199 --> 02:12:28.720 at this picture. They look too close. Explain why they 2975 02:12:28.760 --> 02:12:31.840 look too close? Yeah. Otherwise it's like I don't have 2976 02:12:31.880 --> 02:12:34.520 to defend where the mountains. You can see the mountains 2977 02:12:34.520 --> 02:12:35.600 in the picture, because like I'm. 2978 02:12:35.479 --> 02:12:38.520 Here, Yeah, who cares? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm. 2979 02:12:38.359 --> 02:12:40.359 Saying, Like you're trying to make defenses for things that 2980 02:12:40.439 --> 02:12:42.960 people have not even started questioning yet. So now when 2981 02:12:43.119 --> 02:12:47.199 people say, hey, those mountains do look too close? Do 2982 02:12:47.279 --> 02:12:48.319 you remember when he said this? 2983 02:12:48.680 --> 02:12:49.680 Yeah, it's like. 2984 02:12:51.479 --> 02:12:53.640 And they kept saying that over and over. Yep. So 2985 02:12:53.760 --> 02:12:57.760 there's there's things. Okay. So so in conclusion, bro, what 2986 02:12:57.880 --> 02:13:00.439 do you think JT. I'm gonna ask you, what do 2987 02:13:00.479 --> 02:13:00.880 you think? Bro? 2988 02:13:01.560 --> 02:13:03.479 I would i would say I'm leaning toward it was 2989 02:13:03.760 --> 02:13:06.000 that it was mostly fake. Like I don't know to 2990 02:13:06.079 --> 02:13:07.720 what level it was fake, but I would say that 2991 02:13:08.199 --> 02:13:10.319 just because of the just just because of those things 2992 02:13:10.359 --> 02:13:10.920 where it's. 2993 02:13:10.840 --> 02:13:15.000 Like that, Well, I won't say that. I would say that, I'm. 2994 02:13:15.760 --> 02:13:17.640 You think they were in Do you believe that they 2995 02:13:17.800 --> 02:13:18.680 went to Antarctica. 2996 02:13:19.000 --> 02:13:21.079 I believe they went somewhere in the southern hemisphere and 2997 02:13:21.119 --> 02:13:22.920 they were in some icy place. I believe that they 2998 02:13:22.960 --> 02:13:25.680 were they were somewhere there. I don't believe that they 2999 02:13:25.720 --> 02:13:28.279 were at that self poll. I mean whatever that wherever 3000 02:13:28.359 --> 02:13:30.640 that place was. The final experiment to me would have 3001 02:13:30.720 --> 02:13:33.479 been flying over the South Pole and coming back around 3002 02:13:33.479 --> 02:13:34.119 the other side. 3003 02:13:34.319 --> 02:13:34.800 That is the. 3004 02:13:35.000 --> 02:13:38.439 Exactly that would have been the final That would have 3005 02:13:38.479 --> 02:13:42.479 been the final experience. You could have really convinced people 3006 02:13:42.479 --> 02:13:44.720 if you could have done if you could have proved that. Okay, 3007 02:13:45.079 --> 02:13:47.520 So that being said, I am kind of I'm I'm 3008 02:13:47.800 --> 02:13:49.279 I'm on the fence. I could be I could be 3009 02:13:49.520 --> 02:13:53.800 swayed either way, but I would say that there is 3010 02:13:53.960 --> 02:13:57.439 all the reason in the world to just say I 3011 02:13:57.520 --> 02:13:59.720 can't trust it, and I'm just like, so, so I'm 3012 02:13:59.760 --> 02:14:02.560 gonna go on doing whatever I was doing before this, 3013 02:14:03.600 --> 02:14:05.920 and now I don't want people say, oh, you should 3014 02:14:05.920 --> 02:14:07.399 interview with it. It's like I don't want anything to 3015 02:14:07.439 --> 02:14:10.039 do with him, Like I like I because I because 3016 02:14:10.039 --> 02:14:12.239 I'll just say pull disclosure. And this could be a 3017 02:14:12.359 --> 02:14:14.319 bias on my own part to say this, but I 3018 02:14:14.319 --> 02:14:15.159 don't believe him anymore. 3019 02:14:15.159 --> 02:14:16.119 So I don't want him on my show. 3020 02:14:16.560 --> 02:14:18.880 I wouldn't have him on my podcast because I don't 3021 02:14:18.920 --> 02:14:22.680 really I don't. I I don't respect him at this point, 3022 02:14:23.359 --> 02:14:25.079 you know, because I don't like the way he talk 3023 02:14:25.119 --> 02:14:25.479 to people. 3024 02:14:25.600 --> 02:14:26.800 I don't. I don't believe him. 3025 02:14:27.119 --> 02:14:29.199 So even I he said like I said on the 3026 02:14:29.239 --> 02:14:31.600 thing I said, so I could not trust him going 3027 02:14:31.720 --> 02:14:35.279 forward unless I met him and I knew him and 3028 02:14:35.359 --> 02:14:36.840 I got to know him and I got to hear 3029 02:14:36.920 --> 02:14:37.359 more about it. 3030 02:14:37.439 --> 02:14:39.800 But like, but maybe he could kind of explain himself. 3031 02:14:39.840 --> 02:14:41.199 I want to I just want to expect. 3032 02:14:41.479 --> 02:14:43.760 But I'm saying, but I'm saying, like to me, it's 3033 02:14:43.840 --> 02:14:46.680 kind of like that those guys have kind of lost 3034 02:14:46.720 --> 02:14:48.800 it for me. And then yeah, then then I have 3035 02:14:48.960 --> 02:14:52.359 the greater flatter of community of people like like Dave, 3036 02:14:53.159 --> 02:14:56.199 who seems like you're going a little bit, you know, 3037 02:14:56.319 --> 02:14:57.920 cause it's kind of like just say, like you were saying, 3038 02:14:57.960 --> 02:15:01.079 like you and I, me and Josh our friends, and 3039 02:15:01.199 --> 02:15:04.079 we're becoming better friends as we do more podcasts together. 3040 02:15:05.000 --> 02:15:07.239 But if you did something that I saw sketchy. 3041 02:15:07.760 --> 02:15:09.760 I would defend you as much as I could, but 3042 02:15:09.840 --> 02:15:11.680 I would be careful not to defend you too much 3043 02:15:12.880 --> 02:15:15.720 because I don't want to get on the other side 3044 02:15:15.720 --> 02:15:17.600 of it and find out, oh dang, he did actually 3045 02:15:17.640 --> 02:15:19.359 do some of the things that people are accusing him, 3046 02:15:19.439 --> 02:15:21.840 because then that would make me look bad, you know, 3047 02:15:21.920 --> 02:15:24.560 So you'd have a cautious thing. But it does feel 3048 02:15:24.600 --> 02:15:28.880 like he is he didn't go. But maybe it's almost 3049 02:15:29.000 --> 02:15:31.199 like it's better if one of us does not go. 3050 02:15:31.479 --> 02:15:34.359 So you can, yeah, you could, can you can you 3051 02:15:34.439 --> 02:15:39.159 can make sure, Yeah, you can be you can be objective, right, 3052 02:15:39.640 --> 02:15:40.479 you know, it's. 3053 02:15:40.600 --> 02:15:43.800 It's it's all interesting, bro and and guys, that's why 3054 02:15:43.800 --> 02:15:45.479 I wanted to do the show with JT because he's 3055 02:15:45.479 --> 02:15:49.239 really good at breaking things down. And yeah, so in conclusion, 3056 02:15:49.279 --> 02:15:51.520 for me, I want to make sure that everything comes out. 3057 02:15:51.560 --> 02:15:53.560 Maybe we'll do a follow up show once we see everything, 3058 02:15:53.680 --> 02:15:56.079 see what will experiments they did, once I get a 3059 02:15:56.079 --> 02:15:58.000 little more deeper in the in the and maybe I 3060 02:15:58.079 --> 02:15:59.680 have Jaron on the show in two weeks. Maybe me 3061 02:15:59.720 --> 02:16:01.439 and j he could do a follow up show. Maybe 3062 02:16:01.479 --> 02:16:02.479 we'll have Pastor rich on. 3063 02:16:02.920 --> 02:16:03.680 But yeah, at this. 3064 02:16:03.800 --> 02:16:07.600 Moment, and asked and mass Pitt Pastor Dean about I 3065 02:16:07.680 --> 02:16:09.079 want to I want to hear a follow up from 3066 02:16:09.119 --> 02:16:11.479 Pastor Dean saying, did you know that you were cutting 3067 02:16:11.520 --> 02:16:13.479 a promo for these guys debunking your whole mom? 3068 02:16:13.640 --> 02:16:16.600 We already did a sermon and what he said is 3069 02:16:16.680 --> 02:16:19.479 that the devil could be doing a lying wonder in 3070 02:16:19.560 --> 02:16:23.319 the sky and and be, you know, doing being acting 3071 02:16:23.399 --> 02:16:25.760 like the sun. Yeah, it's very interesting, man. 3072 02:16:25.880 --> 02:16:28.279 But it's like, but so you see though, but you're 3073 02:16:28.439 --> 02:16:29.119 still he's. 3074 02:16:28.960 --> 02:16:31.880 Still you connected that a map to the Bible. 3075 02:16:31.640 --> 02:16:34.200 Which well, you see, but you see what he did though. 3076 02:16:34.440 --> 02:16:36.520 But it's like, but you're the one who gave them 3077 02:16:36.600 --> 02:16:39.239 the rope to hang you Amo, Yeah, so you like 3078 02:16:39.360 --> 02:16:41.440 you did that. So like that's why I would say 3079 02:16:41.520 --> 02:16:45.680 that if I saw that the movement of the sun, 3080 02:16:46.200 --> 02:16:49.079 or potentially what would appear to be the sun, then 3081 02:16:49.120 --> 02:16:52.479 I would say, well, that's really interesting. And I guess 3082 02:16:52.520 --> 02:16:54.879 I said, well, maybe that one map's wrong. Okay, I'm 3083 02:16:54.920 --> 02:16:57.959 going back to making videos about I mean, I'll look, 3084 02:16:57.959 --> 02:16:58.440 I'll look. 3085 02:16:58.280 --> 02:16:59.399 Into this further when I can. 3086 02:16:59.520 --> 02:17:01.000 But you're like, but I would say that, no, it 3087 02:17:01.079 --> 02:17:06.959 does not debunk the observable lack of curvature and other 3088 02:17:07.399 --> 02:17:11.319 observations that we've already made. So this is one more 3089 02:17:11.440 --> 02:17:14.079 data point, yeah, to maybe hopefully getting. 3090 02:17:13.879 --> 02:17:16.879 Up what we're doing. If everything's on the up and 3091 02:17:17.000 --> 02:17:19.200 up and it's one hundred percent true. It's a data 3092 02:17:19.239 --> 02:17:22.239 point that we can use, you know, to go further. 3093 02:17:22.399 --> 02:17:25.200 But it's definitely not a final experiment, you know, And 3094 02:17:25.319 --> 02:17:28.639 it definitely does not prove Biblical cosmology wrong. The Bible 3095 02:17:28.760 --> 02:17:31.879 makes no such claim. The Bible does. In Palms nineteen 3096 02:17:31.959 --> 02:17:35.440 one through six, it talks about the sun does a circuit. 3097 02:17:35.600 --> 02:17:37.280 That just means it starts at one point ends in 3098 02:17:37.319 --> 02:17:40.040 the other. It says that nothing will escape from the 3099 02:17:40.079 --> 02:17:42.840 heat thereof, So nothing's going to escape from the heat 3100 02:17:42.879 --> 02:17:45.239 of the sun. It does say that, so it's like 3101 02:17:45.319 --> 02:17:47.000 a strong man running a race that comes out of 3102 02:17:47.040 --> 02:17:50.000 its chamber. It says that the sun has a tabernacle, 3103 02:17:50.079 --> 02:17:53.040 which is a tent or that's not Jehovah's tent. So 3104 02:17:53.159 --> 02:17:55.600 there's a lot of stuff, man, But yeah, guys, one 3105 02:17:55.600 --> 02:17:57.920 thing I would say to every flatter throughout there, every 3106 02:17:58.079 --> 02:18:02.520 Biblical cosmologist, everybody that's Christian, do not marry the ae 3107 02:18:02.719 --> 02:18:05.280 map to the Bible. That is a mistake because that 3108 02:18:05.440 --> 02:18:07.840 is a man made thing. All right, So we don't 3109 02:18:07.879 --> 02:18:10.600 we don't allow a apps to be connected to. 3110 02:18:10.760 --> 02:18:13.360 Don't marry yourself as Christians to non believers. 3111 02:18:13.920 --> 02:18:15.319 Yes, you gotta be careful with that. 3112 02:18:15.479 --> 02:18:17.159 That's what I'm and that's what I'm trying to say 3113 02:18:17.200 --> 02:18:19.840 that That's why I like, yeah that ultimately we are, 3114 02:18:20.040 --> 02:18:24.399 we believe in biblical cosmology, we are, we can. I'm 3115 02:18:24.440 --> 02:18:26.719 not saying you can't watch these guys videos when they're 3116 02:18:26.719 --> 02:18:31.079 trying to potentially make interesting observations, but yeah, like that's 3117 02:18:31.120 --> 02:18:34.079 why it's talking about unequally yoked. And that's why I'm 3118 02:18:34.079 --> 02:18:36.200 trying to say, like that if this guy Jaren is 3119 02:18:36.239 --> 02:18:40.159 making money off the earth being flat, well why wouldn't 3120 02:18:40.159 --> 02:18:42.200 he be willing to make money off the earth being around? 3121 02:18:42.799 --> 02:18:43.000 Yeah? 3122 02:18:43.440 --> 02:18:45.280 He I mean like what I mean, it's a it's 3123 02:18:45.280 --> 02:18:45.760 a natural but. 3124 02:18:45.959 --> 02:18:48.239 Hast Okay, So one thing we do have to say 3125 02:18:48.280 --> 02:18:50.079 on Janes, if he has put ten years of his 3126 02:18:50.200 --> 02:18:53.280 life into this, and he has put he's done, live 3127 02:18:53.319 --> 02:18:55.360 after live after life. He does not like er dubat. 3128 02:18:55.440 --> 02:18:57.639 But what I'm saying is he but he got has 3129 02:18:57.680 --> 02:18:58.559 he got paid to do it? 3130 02:18:58.920 --> 02:18:59.120 Yeah? 3131 02:18:59.200 --> 02:19:01.280 Yeah, I mean, he's got you know. So that's what 3132 02:19:01.360 --> 02:19:01.799 I'm just saying. 3133 02:19:01.799 --> 02:19:03.239 That's what all I'm trying to say, is like that 3134 02:19:03.600 --> 02:19:06.799 I'm not saying, I'm not saying, I'm just saying, and 3135 02:19:06.920 --> 02:19:09.440 that that's why I'm saying, like that if you if 3136 02:19:09.479 --> 02:19:11.600 you are not you know, think about in the in 3137 02:19:11.719 --> 02:19:16.200 the matrix, if you're not unplugged, then you could be 3138 02:19:16.280 --> 02:19:19.120 an agent at any time. Yeah. Right, that's the whole 3139 02:19:19.159 --> 02:19:21.639 thing where we always talk about, like people always wonder 3140 02:19:21.719 --> 02:19:25.120 like how could how could these elites, all this coordinated 3141 02:19:25.200 --> 02:19:27.280 evil be in the world. It's like because do you 3142 02:19:27.280 --> 02:19:30.120 remember the story about when the devil took Jesus up 3143 02:19:30.120 --> 02:19:31.879 to a high place and offered him all the things 3144 02:19:31.959 --> 02:19:33.840 if all he did was worship him, It's like, so 3145 02:19:34.520 --> 02:19:36.920 there's a core, there's a coordinated effort. If there's a 3146 02:19:36.959 --> 02:19:39.559 coordinated evil in this world, and it's ruled through the 3147 02:19:39.639 --> 02:19:42.600 sons of disobedience, So you could become an agent at 3148 02:19:42.639 --> 02:19:44.520 any point if you are not in Christ. 3149 02:19:44.840 --> 02:19:46.520 Yes, So that's why I'm saying. 3150 02:19:46.559 --> 02:19:48.920 So like that's why, like that, when you put yourself 3151 02:19:48.959 --> 02:19:50.840 out here as somebody who believes in the truth, and 3152 02:19:50.920 --> 02:19:53.360 you believe in Jesus, and you and you are trying 3153 02:19:53.399 --> 02:19:57.000 to walk the narrow path that if you're if you're 3154 02:19:57.040 --> 02:19:59.559 showing cracks in that way, we know you can be 3155 02:19:59.639 --> 02:20:03.520 comprom because even honestly, I can speak for myself. Is 3156 02:20:03.559 --> 02:20:06.440 like I worry one day if I ever got offered 3157 02:20:06.879 --> 02:20:08.719 like all the things that I want. You always think 3158 02:20:08.719 --> 02:20:11.200 about that story is that Jesus was coming to get 3159 02:20:11.239 --> 02:20:15.360 those kingdoms. So it's interesting that the devil offered him 3160 02:20:15.440 --> 02:20:18.040 to them. Right, So it's kind of like you could 3161 02:20:18.079 --> 02:20:19.799 have all the things you want, but it's there's a 3162 02:20:19.879 --> 02:20:23.159 twist to it, right, like all whatever your motivation is, 3163 02:20:23.200 --> 02:20:24.520 he could give you those things. 3164 02:20:24.520 --> 02:20:26.799 You had to have owned it at that time for 3165 02:20:27.000 --> 02:20:29.040 him to offer it, or it's not a temptation. 3166 02:20:29.280 --> 02:20:30.000 But you know what I'm saying. 3167 02:20:30.000 --> 02:20:33.120 But if there's a there's a it's the discernment is 3168 02:20:33.280 --> 02:20:36.760 knowing the difference between right and almost right, like so 3169 02:20:36.920 --> 02:20:39.959 going walking the narrow path and taking it the way 3170 02:20:40.120 --> 02:20:43.040 you're supposed to do it. So the point is, if 3171 02:20:43.120 --> 02:20:46.479 I ever got offered like a platform, a podcast, and 3172 02:20:46.559 --> 02:20:48.159 I could do this full time, and I could do 3173 02:20:48.200 --> 02:20:52.200 it successfully, But if then I had somebody who was 3174 02:20:52.280 --> 02:20:54.120 offered me the money and the things the means to 3175 02:20:54.200 --> 02:20:55.959 do it. Then they say, well, now you got to 3176 02:20:55.959 --> 02:20:56.239 say this. 3177 02:20:56.520 --> 02:20:57.200 Don't talk about it. 3178 02:20:57.559 --> 02:21:00.760 You can't talk about it. You can't say those kind 3179 02:21:00.799 --> 02:21:01.120 of a thing. 3180 02:21:01.200 --> 02:21:04.920 So so there is a that's again it all comes 3181 02:21:05.000 --> 02:21:07.639 down to that whole verse when he's saying, I'm sending 3182 02:21:07.719 --> 02:21:11.079 you amongst the wolves, so be as wise as serpent 3183 02:21:11.360 --> 02:21:14.920 and innocent as doves. Yes, So it just means like that, Yeah, 3184 02:21:15.000 --> 02:21:18.159 like the devil is very is very crafty, he's very slick. 3185 02:21:18.440 --> 02:21:21.840 He can manipulate people knowingly and unknowingly. Yeah, and then 3186 02:21:21.879 --> 02:21:25.000 if you're influenced by those people, that's how he can 3187 02:21:25.120 --> 02:21:25.760 influence you. 3188 02:21:26.000 --> 02:21:28.639 So point being as yeah, we need to be. 3189 02:21:30.399 --> 02:21:33.719 We need not accuse people outright, but we do need 3190 02:21:33.840 --> 02:21:35.920 to say that. No, I don't have to I don't 3191 02:21:36.000 --> 02:21:38.120 have like it's not bearing false witness to say I 3192 02:21:38.159 --> 02:21:38.959 don't believe somebody. 3193 02:21:39.719 --> 02:21:43.120 Yeah, just don't say you're a liar, like you know 3194 02:21:43.159 --> 02:21:46.440 what I'm saying. But if but just be skeptical for sure. 3195 02:21:46.600 --> 02:21:48.399 So I got I gotta get going. I know you 3196 02:21:48.520 --> 02:21:50.399 do too. My dad is going to be running down 3197 02:21:50.399 --> 02:21:52.879 at any minute. So I always end this in prayer, 3198 02:21:52.959 --> 02:21:54.680 So let's do that. So Father God in the name 3199 02:21:54.719 --> 02:21:57.159 of Jesus, we appreciate everything you do for us. Lord. 3200 02:21:57.239 --> 02:21:59.520 This is this is something that is a subject that 3201 02:21:59.639 --> 02:22:01.600 is big. But we like we do, Lord, We we 3202 02:22:01.719 --> 02:22:04.680 believe your word only. We know faith cometh by hearing 3203 02:22:04.719 --> 02:22:06.959 the word of God and and and we just want 3204 02:22:07.000 --> 02:22:09.520 to build faith. We want to build the audience's faith. 3205 02:22:09.879 --> 02:22:11.399 Uh so we just stand on your word. 3206 02:22:11.440 --> 02:22:11.600 Lord. 3207 02:22:11.680 --> 02:22:14.479 We put your word first. We let you be true. 3208 02:22:14.639 --> 02:22:17.079 Every man a liar. Romans three four says that that's 3209 02:22:17.079 --> 02:22:19.079 what we try to do. Everybody that went out to 3210 02:22:19.159 --> 02:22:21.680 the Final Experiment, you know, and did everything they tried 3211 02:22:21.719 --> 02:22:24.200 to do. That's that is that is the worldly stuff 3212 02:22:24.280 --> 02:22:26.959 that has no bearing on us. But we we do 3213 02:22:27.079 --> 02:22:29.639 pay attention to it, just because I want to make 3214 02:22:29.680 --> 02:22:32.440 sure that when I'm when I'm you know, teaching biblical 3215 02:22:32.520 --> 02:22:35.239 cosmology and teaching your word, I want to make sure 3216 02:22:35.280 --> 02:22:37.200 I'm teaching it correctly. So if you can help us 3217 02:22:37.280 --> 02:22:39.520 to do that. I know JT is out there, uh, 3218 02:22:39.840 --> 02:22:42.840 you know, battling against the forces of evil like like 3219 02:22:42.959 --> 02:22:44.239 I am. And I just want to say, if you 3220 02:22:44.280 --> 02:22:47.760 could protect him, protect his family. If these guys are 3221 02:22:47.799 --> 02:22:49.319 one hundred percent on the oup and up and telling 3222 02:22:49.360 --> 02:22:51.239 the truth, you know what's it and in general, you know, 3223 02:22:51.399 --> 02:22:54.879 protect them because they're getting slandered like crazy. If they're not, 3224 02:22:55.040 --> 02:22:57.280 then obviously expose what they're lying about. 3225 02:22:57.319 --> 02:22:57.520 Lord. 3226 02:22:57.559 --> 02:22:59.959 If this whole thing is a lie, exposed the Lord 3227 02:23:00.120 --> 02:23:01.680 and help people to expose it. But if it is 3228 02:23:01.760 --> 02:23:03.159 on the up and up and truth, then help it 3229 02:23:03.280 --> 02:23:05.879 to come to truth. You know, we appreciate everything you 3230 02:23:05.959 --> 02:23:07.840 do for us. Thank you and everybody that's listening. If 3231 02:23:07.840 --> 02:23:10.280 you could supernaturally help them, assist them to read the 3232 02:23:10.360 --> 02:23:12.639 Bible and Lord, next week we're gonna pick up on 3233 02:23:12.719 --> 02:23:16.040 Exodus seventeen, so help me teach that as best as possible. Okay, 3234 02:23:16.079 --> 02:23:19.319 thank you so much. We love you in Jesus name. Amen. Amen, Right, 3235 02:23:19.799 --> 02:23:22.479 check out JT shout out your channel real quick before 3236 02:23:22.520 --> 02:23:22.680 we go. 3237 02:23:22.840 --> 02:23:27.200 Yeah, way think JT follows JC on YouTube. Also, I'm 3238 02:23:27.280 --> 02:23:31.920 on Instagram, Spotify, all this stuff. I think I got 3239 02:23:32.000 --> 02:23:33.680 rid of the name of Cutting Babylon just because I 3240 02:23:33.719 --> 02:23:36.040 don't really hardly ever post under that plat that kind 3241 02:23:36.079 --> 02:23:38.120 of podcast name anymore. So you can just look up 3242 02:23:38.159 --> 02:23:43.079 JT follows JT JT, j JT follows JC on Apple 3243 02:23:43.159 --> 02:23:46.600 and Spotify, and then I'm on also on Rumble, but yeah, 3244 02:23:46.600 --> 02:23:49.360 appreciate appreciate this, Josh, Yeah. 3245 02:23:49.239 --> 02:23:51.120 This was this was fun. I think this is fun. 3246 02:23:51.200 --> 02:23:56.719 Need If you're hearing this, please comment below, comment on Spotify, 3247 02:23:56.879 --> 02:23:59.159 comment on YouTube. Please if you guys could, I want 3248 02:23:59.200 --> 02:24:01.200 to hear exactly what you guys think, and that way 3249 02:24:01.280 --> 02:24:03.600 we could I could try to you know, when we 3250 02:24:03.719 --> 02:24:06.159 do the follow up later, when we do this show, 3251 02:24:06.200 --> 02:24:07.840 then we have some stuff to talk about. So thank 3252 02:24:07.840 --> 02:24:10.360 you guys for listening. We appreciate you, and God bless you.