Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to Sunday Service, Episode seventeen, brought
Speaker 1: to you by Cult the Conspiracy Podcast. I'm your host,
Speaker 1: Josh Monday from the Colt Or from the Josh Monday
Speaker 1: Christian Conspiracy Podcast. Thank you so much for joining us
Speaker 1: this morning. We were gonna have a pastor rich On,
Speaker 1: but he's actually uh, we'll just have to pray for him.
Speaker 1: He's he's gonna be out. But I got JT follows
Speaker 1: JC Joe. Good morning. How's it going brother?
Speaker 2: It's good man, how you doing doing good?
Speaker 1: I'm excited, man. I like to talk about this. H
Speaker 1: You know, this is an interesting subdaty. I followed this, bro,
Speaker 1: the Final Experiment all the way from day one. Dude.
Speaker 1: I know exactly what was going on day one, dude,
Speaker 1: I was because I watched the So here's here's a
Speaker 1: little timeline we have for the Final Experiment. That's what we're
Speaker 1: gonna be going over today, guys, just letting you know.
Speaker 1: And then probably in the end what I'll do is
Speaker 1: I'll I'll probably do a little bit of Exodus seventeen
Speaker 1: if we have time. But so the Final Experiment, it
Speaker 1: started man on December fourth, that's the first time that
Speaker 1: anybody saw Will Duffy at all. That the gentleman. He's
Speaker 1: a gentleman that is behind the final experiment is Pastor
Speaker 1: will Duffy. He has a church, a gape church out
Speaker 1: in Colorado or something like that. So anyways, so December fourth,
Speaker 1: Pastor Greg Lock was debating against Pastor Dean Odle, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys a lot of people have seen that.
Speaker 1: If you guys are in the Biblical Cosmology community for sure,
Speaker 1: because we were, you know, we were all voting for
Speaker 1: We're all going for Pastor Dean and the Flatters community
Speaker 1: as well. So that's the first time anybody saw pastor
Speaker 1: Pastor will Duffy. He went there. Pastor Dean Odle when
Speaker 1: he was debating Pastor Greg Lock, he said on stage that, hey,
Speaker 1: let's go to Antarctica and if we see the sun
Speaker 1: circle for twenty four hours over our head, it's a globe.
Speaker 1: Pastor Dean Odle said that, and by the way, I did,
Speaker 1: and I was going to try to get Pastor Dean
Speaker 1: Odle on the show. I've had him on the show once,
Speaker 1: but he has an engagement. We were going to have
Speaker 1: him on this show with me and JT would be
Speaker 1: awesome to have him here. But he did say that, yeah,
Speaker 1: because he's said that nobody's allowed to go to Antarctica,
Speaker 1: and you know, so he did do a lot of
Speaker 1: research in Antarctica. But what happened is Pastor will Duffy
Speaker 1: was in the audience and he was like, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna that's that's when he got the idea. He said,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I.
Speaker 3: Believe that that stuff sounds sketchiest.
Speaker 1: I think is that he went there before the I
Speaker 1: think he went there before. I think he went when
Speaker 1: I went there, just like I think he's been there
Speaker 1: before or something like that, or he had maybe a
Speaker 1: close person to him that had that had gone.
Speaker 3: That's personally what I think, you know, Can I can
Speaker 3: I say something first off? Yeah, this is why I
Speaker 3: don't call myself a flat earther. I don't ever call
Speaker 3: myself a flat earther. I believe what the Bible says
Speaker 3: about the Earth and and and this is why I
Speaker 3: really kind of was like kind of to be honest,
Speaker 3: I didn't know much about this experiment until like really recently,
Speaker 3: and what what I've found out since these guys came
Speaker 3: back I've had people in my personal life or people
Speaker 3: I know online have tried to use this weapon against
Speaker 3: what I believe and said, I don't ever the guys
Speaker 3: who went down there were flat earthers. I'm a Christian
Speaker 3: guy who believes what the Bible says, and so I
Speaker 3: have a few things what I believe with the Bible
Speaker 3: says clearly that there's a ferment, there's waters above the ferment,
Speaker 3: the Earth is unmovable, there's waters around the earth, and
Speaker 3: there's water under the earth. Outside of that, I really
Speaker 3: don't know what the shape of the Earth is. I
Speaker 3: think that the flat earth model seems the most aligned
Speaker 3: with what the Bible says, but there's a lot of
Speaker 3: nuance could be there, Like there's a lot of things
Speaker 3: that I might not know about. So the thing if
Speaker 3: guys like wits it, I'm not sure what Jaron believes.
Speaker 3: If which it's a Christian and you believe what the
Speaker 3: Bible says, I mean, do you believe it because what
Speaker 3: the Bible says? Or is it because of the empirical evidence,
Speaker 3: the scientific evidence. That's why you believe whatever you believe.
Speaker 3: And so to me, I don't care what you paid
Speaker 3: me to go do if you call it the final
Speaker 3: experiment and send me down there like I'm not going
Speaker 3: right because because at this point, because I'm I'm not
Speaker 3: trying to defend the Bible against some observation that that
Speaker 3: maybe there is.
Speaker 2: An explanation for otherwise.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean so to me, so just hearing
Speaker 3: what you just said, I mean I had to say
Speaker 3: that just because I think, like, don know, It'll put
Speaker 3: it this way. I got a lot of disagreements with
Speaker 3: that guy on lots of other things. I might agree
Speaker 3: with a few things that he says, him saying that
Speaker 3: it's a globe. If this, it's like, so you're gonna
Speaker 3: present all this other evidence and then you're just throw
Speaker 3: it away if you see a twenty four hour son,
Speaker 3: that's ridiculous. And it's almost like to me, that almost
Speaker 3: sounds like a setup.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, of course, sus this is why I want
Speaker 3: to go over the timeline so people know exactly what's
Speaker 3: going on, because I was following this.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you guys, I was locked it because dude,
Speaker 1: I teach biblical cosmology on I don't just teach cut
Speaker 1: biblical cosmology on my show. I have jumped literally on
Speaker 1: probably I don't know, I'd say fifty different show I
Speaker 1: was doing that. There's presentation I did on your show.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm constantly trying to format it, making it
Speaker 1: better and better as like as I go. But I'm
Speaker 1: I was locked in bro to watch this, uh Greg
Speaker 1: block dnotle thing. So basically Will Duffie was there in
Speaker 1: the audience, Uh, you know which is crazy and uh
Speaker 1: and then uh and then he created On December twenty nine,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, is when he created the Final Experiment page. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is this is the YouTube page, and he was
Speaker 1: putting out videos like here and there, saying there's gonna
Speaker 1: be the final experiment in an out arca kind of
Speaker 1: it's just slowly.
Speaker 3: Almost so it's almost like, I mean, based on what
Speaker 3: you're saying, it's almost like the person who came up
Speaker 3: for the final experiment was Dan Odle, Like uh, like.
Speaker 2: Kind of like are they like the like, well, like the.
Speaker 3: Concept of it, because he's saying if it's if you
Speaker 3: see twenty four hours on, that's.
Speaker 1: What Will Duffie, That's that is what Will Duffie was saying.
Speaker 1: He said, he said, that's where I got the idea
Speaker 1: from Joseph Handby was also in the audience and he
Speaker 1: was talking about saying that uh, and he was also
Speaker 1: in the audience, Joseph fancy the gentleman, if you guys
Speaker 1: don't know, is the gentleman that's that's coming up with
Speaker 1: the trying to come up with a flat earth model.
Speaker 2: Well he's got yeah, yeah, he's got one.
Speaker 1: That so just letting you guys know. So, So that
Speaker 1: was there, and then and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: December twenty nine, twenty twenty three, the final experiment page
Speaker 1: was created, right and then and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden in January twenty three, twenty twenty four, on Debatism,
Speaker 1: which is Jaren's show, it was Jaren Austin and pastor
Speaker 1: Will Duffy. They were all having a debate. It was
Speaker 1: like a four hour debate on the shape of the Earth.
Speaker 1: I was very interested in that as well, because I
Speaker 1: liked I like to see pastors try to debate the globe,
Speaker 1: because I like, I want to debate people like that.
Speaker 1: I want to do that. Yeah, I'm in the arena,
Speaker 1: I'm debating people. So I'm like, hey, I want to
Speaker 1: watch this. So I watched it. I was very interested
Speaker 1: in it. And so I saw Pastor Will Duffy and
Speaker 1: I saw what he was going over, and he was like,
Speaker 1: he is in golf in the globe, bro, I'm telling
Speaker 1: you dude, so much so that he said that if
Speaker 1: the Bible does say it, then the Bible is wrong. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's how much he is. Yeah. He And then now
Speaker 1: and and what was happening is mctoon, which is he's
Speaker 1: a debater on their side. He debates all these flat
Speaker 1: earthers all the time, and he and he says he's
Speaker 1: a Christian. You know, he's been. He he was feeding
Speaker 1: him all this information. You could tell because his talking
Speaker 1: points that he was going over even uh even I
Speaker 1: think Austin Witson when he was debating and was like, man,
Speaker 1: is it like he was even asking I think he
Speaker 1: even asked him that time. Or I think Sean Griffin
Speaker 1: when he had him on his show, asked him, uh,
Speaker 1: if he knows, if he knows mc twoon, you know,
Speaker 1: because his talking points were all just like mc twon stuff.
Speaker 2: Anyways, Hey, I got to take a quick phone call.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no problem, I'm still here. And then guys April
Speaker 1: April eleventh, U Pastor will Duffy was on Kingdom in
Speaker 1: context with my brother Sean Griffin. Uh, and Pastor will
Speaker 1: Duffy asked Sean if he was going to the Final
Speaker 1: Experiment because he is he uh, he had got these
Speaker 1: emails got sent out to twenty four flat earthers and
Speaker 1: twenty four globe earthers, and he was asking. He was
Speaker 1: asking Sean like, hey, is he willing to go? Sean
Speaker 1: Griffin asked him if he's part of the Final Experiment,
Speaker 1: and Pastor will Duffy tells him, no, He's not part
Speaker 1: of the Final Experiment. So also during that exchange, he
Speaker 1: said that his good friend says that Seawan is wrong
Speaker 1: about what he's going over. Sean was going over biblical
Speaker 1: cosmology and pastor and then Sean Griffin asked Pastor will
Speaker 1: Duffy who was his friend and he said mc tune
Speaker 1: as soon as he said that, So, So what I
Speaker 1: was telling you, Bro is April eleventh. Bro. Pastor will
Speaker 1: Duffy was on Kingdom in context with Sean Griffin, right,
Speaker 1: and he asked so Pastor will Duffy sent out twenty
Speaker 1: four emails to twenty four globers. Twenty four emails to
Speaker 1: twenty four flat earthers, and one of the persons that
Speaker 1: got the email was going to be Sean Griffin. Pastor
Speaker 1: Will Duffy on the show live asked him, hey are
Speaker 1: He's like, are you going to go to the final Experiment?
Speaker 1: And Sean Griffin was like, literally like so he was.
Speaker 1: He was like, didn't trust will Duffy at all. He
Speaker 1: even had him swear on the Bible he wasn't a
Speaker 1: mason on the show. But anyways, he asked him and
Speaker 1: said are you part of the final Experiment to Pastor
Speaker 1: will Duffy and he said, no, I'm not part of
Speaker 1: the final Experiment, and then come to find out a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks later that he came out as the
Speaker 1: guy behind the final Experiment, Pastor will Duffy. So Sean
Speaker 1: Griffin was like, all right, he kind of he put
Speaker 1: it out there like hey man, you know, he wanted
Speaker 1: basically an apology, man, like a public apology because he lied.
Speaker 1: He lied to him right there. He's a pastor, you know.
Speaker 1: So it was already a little sideways from the from
Speaker 1: the gate.
Speaker 3: Bro Well, so he's and he's obviously the clip circulating
Speaker 3: around is he's the pastor who says it's not immoral
Speaker 3: to deceive or to lie inherently immoral, and it's funny,
Speaker 3: the funny thing about it. And I think I know
Speaker 3: that there's a longer context of that, and some people
Speaker 3: have mentioned to me, and actually I even used it
Speaker 3: the other day. I did a live stream and I said,
Speaker 3: you know, I believe we're under the New Covenant. I
Speaker 3: think it's kind of weird that I hear these guys
Speaker 3: all talking about the Ten Commandments and the Old Covenant
Speaker 3: and bearing false witness and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: It's like.
Speaker 3: You ever heard when Peter says love covers a multitude
Speaker 3: of sins. I think that like kind of covers like that.
Speaker 3: Let's just say there was a starving family and you
Speaker 3: stole some bread. You didn't have any money, you stole
Speaker 3: some bread to feed them. Is that a sin? It's
Speaker 3: up to God that if it's a sin or not. Obviously,
Speaker 3: I think if you did something out of the goodness
Speaker 3: of your heart. It's kind of like the same way
Speaker 3: that when David fed his the soldiers the Holy bread,
Speaker 3: the bread of presents, like that was against the law.
Speaker 3: They broke the law, but Jesus said that no, he
Speaker 3: did not break the law because the greater law is
Speaker 3: is the love in his heart.
Speaker 1: When he sees that, like the animal injured, like like
Speaker 1: you know in the like dude yeah album the next day,
Speaker 1: now you're gonna yeah.
Speaker 3: So like so in the same way, yes, there is
Speaker 3: obviously something where you could say that could you deceive
Speaker 3: in the same kind of way to save somebody because
Speaker 3: you had to do this, break this one law in
Speaker 3: order to fulfill the greater law, which is to love.
Speaker 2: Yes, that is.
Speaker 3: But it's kind of like it's a weird message to
Speaker 3: to you know what I mean. Like it's almost like
Speaker 3: the you could probably justify all kinds of bad things
Speaker 3: if that's the message, you know, Cause it's like like
Speaker 3: like I said, I could just explain that and I
Speaker 3: and I and I can agree with that kind of
Speaker 3: but it's kind of like when you're get in front
Speaker 3: of the pulpit and having a message like that, it's weird, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, because like it's kind of
Speaker 3: like in the way that like in issues of faith,
Speaker 3: I guess that's what it is.
Speaker 2: It's issues in faith.
Speaker 3: It's like we are not to be on here and
Speaker 3: tell people how to how to walk in faith.
Speaker 2: Because faith is faith, right.
Speaker 3: Like, if I could tell you exactly what you're supposed
Speaker 3: to do, then all of a sudden it's not faith anymore.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Due, So then you have this guy saying that, and again,
Speaker 3: if you do that kind of stuff, you have a
Speaker 3: sermon like that, well you expect to be cut up
Speaker 3: and say something like that.
Speaker 1: Bro.
Speaker 2: It's on the internet, bro, yeah, because now it's on
Speaker 2: the internet, and.
Speaker 1: You're getting on the stage too, bro, as especially in
Speaker 1: the in the Flatters community and the conspiracy community, I
Speaker 1: mean students, you step on that stage and the final
Speaker 1: e smember. You know, people are going to go through
Speaker 1: everything like with a fine tooth comb, bro, in a
Speaker 1: different arena when you come out of and here all right.
Speaker 3: So then so then he has this sermon, right, and
Speaker 3: then he literally gets caught lying. I always like to
Speaker 3: ask him, was that lie immoral or not? Did you
Speaker 3: have a greater reason why you lied? He said, didn't.
Speaker 3: I want to hear your justification why you lied.
Speaker 1: He did an apology, a public apology to Sean Griffin,
Speaker 1: and he said that public apology was like seven months ago,
Speaker 1: and he said basically like, hey, I'm sorry, Sean. I
Speaker 1: would I just did you know it was a it
Speaker 1: was a it was like a white lie. It's kind
Speaker 1: of what he said, you know, like I haven't came out.
Speaker 1: I didn't come out yet as the final experiment guy,
Speaker 1: and I didn't expect you to ask me that. So
Speaker 1: because he had this whole thing going on.
Speaker 2: That's not a white lie, that's a face lie.
Speaker 1: He lied. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's it's kind of like this.
Speaker 1: Is I'm not here the past pastor Will Duffie, I'm
Speaker 1: going over the timeline.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm here.
Speaker 3: I'm here to just to call out a snake. I mean,
Speaker 3: you that was a bold, bald face lie you told.
Speaker 3: And then it's like you minimizing it does not make
Speaker 3: me feel any more better better about it. He's like,
Speaker 3: first of all, did you apologize to God for doing that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I apologize for Sean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you sin against Yeah, you sinned against God when
Speaker 3: you did that. And I think that that's really I mean,
Speaker 3: it's like that's the whole thing about you know, it's
Speaker 3: kind of weird thing like the way America does pastors.
Speaker 3: You know, obviously they're kind of in the role as
Speaker 3: kind of an overseer, and obviously there's all kinds of
Speaker 3: like qualifications to be to be in that role, and
Speaker 3: you're held to a higher standard. So you you put
Speaker 3: the pastor Will Duffy, you know, it's like it's it's
Speaker 3: like if JT lies, it's like, Okay, a lot of
Speaker 3: people would be disappointed. I mean a lot of people
Speaker 3: who probably share my videos would be disappointed that they've
Speaker 3: done that. But like, when you are a pastor of
Speaker 3: a flock and then you lie, you make all pastors
Speaker 3: look bad because then you're just you're one of the rest,
Speaker 3: right because I'm just a YouTuber, I'm just a TikTok guy.
Speaker 3: I'm just you know, like, Okay, well this weird this
Speaker 3: conspiracy guy is a liar, and they'll be like, yeah,
Speaker 3: most of them are. It's not a big deal. But
Speaker 3: when they say, oh, this pastor is a liar, and
Speaker 3: it's like yeah, most of them are. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: it makes the whole body look bad.
Speaker 1: It wasn't good. It wasn't a good look. And Jenn
Speaker 1: and Austin both kind of kind of like heard that,
Speaker 1: and you know, they were basically talking about it on
Speaker 1: Jenn Show, you know, and it became kind of a
Speaker 1: big thing. So the first flat earther that that Pastor
Speaker 1: Will Duffy invited or actually he threw like a poll
Speaker 1: and everybody picked. You know Dave Weiss from deep inside
Speaker 1: the rabbit hole. I don't know if you guys. You
Speaker 1: guys probably know him. He has the app and everything.
Speaker 1: So he was the first one to be picked. He declined,
Speaker 1: He's like, no, I'm not doing it. Second person to
Speaker 1: come up.
Speaker 3: Wait, did he did? Wait did Dave first? Did Did
Speaker 3: he say why he wasn't gonna go do it?
Speaker 1: He said, he doesn't trust uh Pastor will Duffy, He
Speaker 1: doesn't trust mctoon. He said that mctoon is like a demon.
Speaker 1: Last time he went to that debate, he met mctoon
Speaker 1: in person, he didn't even know he was meeting him,
Speaker 1: and he said he just felt super bad vibes for him.
Speaker 1: Anything that's involved with mcktoon, Dave mckegan and Pastor will Duffy.
Speaker 1: He said, I am not going whatsoever. I think I
Speaker 1: will not be involved with these guys. And he denied it.
Speaker 2: And so what was it?
Speaker 3: What was his reason for disassociating with Will duffy? Did
Speaker 3: he was it about that lie or was it something else?
Speaker 1: Oh, it was just that and and the fact that
Speaker 1: he was involved with mctoon in the first place. He
Speaker 1: just felt like he heard he heard on Sean Griffin
Speaker 1: show like I did, and he said that, he said, Hey,
Speaker 1: my buddy is my buddy is going to disagree with
Speaker 1: you because Sean Griffin was going over biblical cosmology and
Speaker 1: trying to show Pastor will Duffie what I would have done.
Speaker 1: I would have took because I had Pastor will Duffie
Speaker 1: on my show, but it wasn't like a debate format.
Speaker 1: If I had him on my show, I would show
Speaker 1: him every single Bible verse if if I was doing
Speaker 1: a debate, just like Sean was doing. So I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, he already did that, so I didn't do
Speaker 1: that on my show. But anyways, so he so his
Speaker 1: contention was, uh, you know, Dave Weiss, he said, I'm
Speaker 1: not going there. I'm not going to be involved with
Speaker 1: these people at all. I know there's some kind of
Speaker 1: deception going on, so I'm not going to do it.
Speaker 1: So he declined. Next person that came up on the
Speaker 1: list was was Jaren. You know, I'm they voted. People
Speaker 1: voted for Jaron because Jared's like the next big flat
Speaker 1: Earth name, you know what I mean. So they to
Speaker 1: Jared and Jaren, you know, was was making his decision,
Speaker 1: and part of his decision he said, Pastor will, I
Speaker 1: will not go unless what's it will go? Like, unless
Speaker 1: you'll pay for him as well. So Pastor will Duffy
Speaker 1: was like, okay, so think about this, bro, this this
Speaker 1: pastor is you know, he has money because he sold
Speaker 1: books whatever on finances. He's paying bro, it's thirty five
Speaker 1: thousand a shot. So he said that he will pay
Speaker 1: for wits It to go. So now we got Jaron
Speaker 1: thirty five thousand, wits It thirty five thousand, Dave McKeegan
Speaker 1: thirty five thousand, and as as we kept going on,
Speaker 1: another person jumped on board. It was Candice Owens. She
Speaker 1: wanted to go and he was gonna send her, but
Speaker 1: she had she had prime engagement, so she sent her director.
Speaker 1: So we got her director going. So now we have
Speaker 1: someone that could film.
Speaker 3: You know, so, well, who's uh so, who's paying for
Speaker 3: all this? Is he paying out of his pocket?
Speaker 1: He's paying out of his pocket for this, and.
Speaker 3: That's what you know what, I have a hard time
Speaker 3: believing that's true. Well, I honestly, I just do because
Speaker 3: I mean, like, yeah, you're talking about like that. He
Speaker 3: wasn't crowdsourcing, He wasn't trying to get funding to do this.
Speaker 3: He wasn't getting donations to do this.
Speaker 1: One person that he got funding for and by the way,
Speaker 1: he had one more person go as well. And that
Speaker 1: other person that went is actually a he's a flat
Speaker 1: earther and he's a documentary filmmaker. So they're going to
Speaker 1: make a documentary.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean again, that's probably I mean, I guess
Speaker 3: you could say that if he was paying for these
Speaker 3: people to go, it's an investment into this film.
Speaker 1: There you go, and and and that's not that was
Speaker 1: not disclosed either. So as we were going along, he
Speaker 1: was not saying anything about a documentary. All he was
Speaker 1: saying is I want to get these flat earthers and
Speaker 1: I want to get these globers there. I want to
Speaker 1: I want to film the twenty four hour Sun, and
Speaker 1: I want to make sure that this thing is this
Speaker 1: close case for the for the globe. Right, So we
Speaker 1: have that going.
Speaker 3: And he's probably going to clip Deanoodle saying oh yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: The trailer. That's that's probably going to be in the trailer,
Speaker 2: isn't it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he said that he has a somebody that
Speaker 1: will pay for Pastor Dean to go. So Pastor Dean
Speaker 1: was invited, he declined. So a lot of it was
Speaker 1: basically like people were he was he was trying to
Speaker 1: there was some investors in the background that were supposedly
Speaker 1: wanted to pay for Pastor Dean, and then another.
Speaker 3: I think that I think there's investors in the background anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, that's a lot of money. I'm saying
Speaker 2: that's a lot.
Speaker 3: Of money because you can made money.
Speaker 2: Bro, what means to pay thirty five thousand?
Speaker 3: Put it this way, If it costs thirty five thousand
Speaker 3: for me to go, I'm just gonna be honest. You know,
Speaker 3: I make a little bit of money online. I'm not
Speaker 3: going for free. Like yeah, my time's were something too. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and obviously if you're gonna use me in a documentary later,
Speaker 3: you're definitely gonna pay me, yeah, like cause you know
Speaker 3: that's so did those guys get paid to go? And
Speaker 3: if they did, I'm actually I'm not gonna here's what
Speaker 3: I what I'll say.
Speaker 2: It does not bother me. If they got paid to go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it gets bothered me if they got paid to
Speaker 3: go and they don't say that they got paid to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh of course. And wits It was also okay,
Speaker 1: we won't get to Witsy yet.
Speaker 2: Let's yah, we'll get into that later.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, So so okay. So Eric Debay was
Speaker 1: asked to go. He declined, which he's another one that
Speaker 1: you know, obviously he was the first one to come
Speaker 1: on this. See he's the first one to bring the
Speaker 1: AE map, which is the map that they're trying to
Speaker 1: basically disprove here. Other flat earthers were asked to go.
Speaker 1: They declined. Nathan Oakley, you know that they were just
Speaker 1: in that, you know, same thing that Dave Wiss is saying.
Speaker 1: These guys are shady. I'm not going to go. I
Speaker 1: think that. Uh So it came down to Austin Whitson
Speaker 1: and Jaren and finally they made their decision. They said
Speaker 1: that they will go. Pastor will Duffie said he will
Speaker 1: pay for wits It, and Pastor will Duffy at first
Speaker 1: said that he won't go, he'll let them go. And
Speaker 1: so what ended up happening is now Pastor will Duffie
Speaker 1: ended up saying that he's going to go as well.
Speaker 1: So we got Jared, we got Pastor will Duffy.
Speaker 3: We have.
Speaker 1: The final thing that happened, bro that was a little
Speaker 1: weird was he had this thing called the Golden Ticket.
Speaker 1: He said that he has he he has an investor
Speaker 1: that wants to pay for one more flat earther to go.
Speaker 1: And I was involved in the Golden Ticket, so I
Speaker 1: put my name in there. I emailed Pastor will Duffie
Speaker 1: because I have his email because I had him on
Speaker 1: my show, and I said, hey, man, I'm I'm prior military.
Speaker 1: I can embrace the suck. You know. I I've deployed,
Speaker 1: so I've gone from here to there. I packed bags,
Speaker 1: I've went. I know exactly how to handle this. So
Speaker 1: I was basically just telling him, Hey, I'm prior Military,
Speaker 1: I don't mind going. I'll put my name in the
Speaker 1: hat and if you choose me, that's awesome. And so
Speaker 1: I put my name in. So he had basically uh,
Speaker 1: I think he boiled it down to ten flat earthers
Speaker 1: and and we were all sitting up there and he
Speaker 1: put the music on and everything and he's like, hey,
Speaker 1: well this is the Golden Ticket. He made it like
Speaker 1: a whole charade, right, It was pretty pretty interesting. It
Speaker 1: was actually fun though, because I was like, man, I
Speaker 1: started getting the butterflies of my stomach to be honest,
Speaker 1: because I'm like, dang, bro if I go to Antarctica,
Speaker 1: that's pretty crazy. My wife was pregnant, you know. I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just gonna allow me to go.
Speaker 1: I had a whole bunch of emotions going. But anyways,
Speaker 1: so the first person that he eliminated was Brian. He's
Speaker 1: a debater. He said that he has all the camera equipment.
Speaker 1: He he's already done a bunch of different experiments that
Speaker 1: that have been on YouTube that people know about, so
Speaker 1: he's trusted in the community. He uh, he was the
Speaker 1: first one to go broo. And then there was another
Speaker 1: guy that was like an actor h that was kind
Speaker 1: of crazy, like a reality show actor. A couple other
Speaker 1: people and and wait, so.
Speaker 3: So this was not like a blind draw. This was
Speaker 3: like they actually everybody.
Speaker 1: Put their name in and uh, like an email and
Speaker 1: whoever put their name in, he boiled it down to
Speaker 1: like ten flat earths.
Speaker 3: So we were all face Wait, so was this supposedly
Speaker 3: random who gets to go or or did they pick.
Speaker 1: He picked well done picked.
Speaker 3: Well, that's well, you know, that's not like the Golden ticket.
Speaker 3: That's like, you know, like he already knew who he
Speaker 3: was going to take, right Yeah, and everybody else is
Speaker 3: just kind of used for the show.
Speaker 1: So the so we ended up going down I was,
Speaker 1: I came down to fourth and then he then I
Speaker 1: got taken out in the next person, next person, the
Speaker 1: person that he picked. Her name is Elizabeth DaCosta. She runs,
Speaker 1: Uh it's called the Flat Earth Gang. It's like something
Speaker 1: like a Discord type thing. I don't know, it's it's
Speaker 1: a I've never heard of her bro and and she's
Speaker 1: she's knowing she's pretty. Her face is pretty. She has
Speaker 1: that that Hollywood face. You know, I'm not say anything
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: You're not You're not pretty. You're not pretty enough to go.
Speaker 1: I thought I was. I thought I had anyways. Uh
Speaker 1: so yeah, so that's what it came down to. And
Speaker 1: then then they ended up, you know, they picked Elizabeth
Speaker 1: the cost I'm not saying anything bad about her, but
Speaker 1: she know, he seemed like he said that all these
Speaker 1: people were emailing him saying, oh, she needs to go
Speaker 1: pick her, pick her.
Speaker 2: And yeah, this this person. No one knows. Everyone's emailing
Speaker 2: him to take this this other part.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very interesting. So I got I got
Speaker 1: xed out. I was like, I was on my lunch
Speaker 1: break at work. I came home real quick, I went upstairs.
Speaker 1: I had to do it in my in my closet,
Speaker 1: so I had to put a background real quick, and
Speaker 1: then we he went.
Speaker 3: But anyways, wait, you know what I would say at
Speaker 3: this point, Bro, I mean, who knows what would have
Speaker 3: been different if you had to win? It's good, Bro,
Speaker 3: I am good.
Speaker 1: Well, I am a million times happy I didn't with that, Bro,
Speaker 1: because the way that the community turned on everybody. I
Speaker 1: was like, oh my gosh, Bro, I ain't I'm glad
Speaker 1: I didn't go. It was a blessing. God is great, Bro,
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna let you know though, Bro, I was literally.
Speaker 2: Your wife would have been mad at you.
Speaker 1: And wife would have been mad. My kids. My daughter
Speaker 1: is so close to me, Bro, my little one, she
Speaker 1: would have been so sad if I would have left. Dude,
Speaker 1: she was been so sad because me and her hangout
Speaker 1: all the time. She's like a dad.
Speaker 2: But it was such an opportunity. Now everyone online hates me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because bro, Now think about the opportunity here now man,
Speaker 1: for Jaren and for witsit. Okay, whether whether whatever is
Speaker 1: going on, We'll talk about all that stuff in a second. Okay.
Speaker 1: Now we got Candice Owen's who is a big name,
Speaker 1: millions and millions of followers involved in this. We have
Speaker 1: it seems like it might be a documentary, a second documentary.
Speaker 1: I know that Jared's been in the first one, Behind
Speaker 1: the Curve. Now we got another one going and I
Speaker 1: just want to say, Jared, I'm not gonna I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna put down Jaron on the show. I know everybody's
Speaker 1: going at Jared. He's gonna come on my show in
Speaker 1: two weeks. I did have him on the show right
Speaker 1: before he left, and he was in contact with you
Speaker 1: why he was there, and he did send me a
Speaker 1: message which I was like, hey man, he said I
Speaker 1: really wish you would have went. It was like, you know,
Speaker 1: he basically said, hey, I wish you would have came
Speaker 1: and I really wanted you to come and made me
Speaker 1: feel good. I'm not gonna put down Jared. I haven't
Speaker 1: seen anything where Jared is lying in this yet or
Speaker 1: anything like that, even though everybody might be saying he's
Speaker 1: a liar from the beginning. I haven't seen anything. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna put down Jared.
Speaker 3: At all, you know, Honestly, I guess he said, I've
Speaker 3: never really been in the flat earth community, so I
Speaker 3: didn't even know who he was. Is his name Jared?
Speaker 3: Because I know it's channel named Jaronism. I think it's
Speaker 3: a weird name. What does that even mean?
Speaker 1: His first name is Jared, I think it is, But
Speaker 1: he Jaronism is just what it is because Jaronism is
Speaker 1: like a It's just what he uses. Jared is what
Speaker 1: he is known for in the community. He has done
Speaker 1: like six flatter conferences. He has been in the community
Speaker 1: for a long time. He's been in for at least
Speaker 1: ten years. He goes live all the time. He actually
Speaker 1: has a call in show. He just did a ten
Speaker 1: hour callin show actually last night. I was trying to
Speaker 1: catch up on before we did this show.
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, to me, I guess to me, like,
Speaker 3: and here's why I said, I don't call myself a
Speaker 3: flatter Earth or and I never will.
Speaker 2: Is that.
Speaker 3: It's easy to say that it's a grift when you're
Speaker 3: like making money off the earth being flat, Right, So
Speaker 3: if you're willing to make money off the earth being flat,
Speaker 3: why would you even care if you could make more
Speaker 3: money off it being maybe not flat? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: like you know what I'm saying because like that's what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Like because I because I don't have an
Speaker 3: invested interest in.
Speaker 2: The shape the shape necessarily.
Speaker 3: But see, this is and I think when you're saying
Speaker 3: this is an opportunity, it's certainly an opportunity. But like,
Speaker 3: but but of what I mean, I think I was
Speaker 3: comparing myself to witsaid. I don't know if I'm as
Speaker 3: comparable as far as social media profiles and Internet famous
Speaker 3: and stuff like that, but I understand it's funny, like
Speaker 3: the community that we're in, you know, we see like
Speaker 3: what's his name, Wesley Huff going on Joe Rogan, and I.
Speaker 2: Can't help it.
Speaker 3: I could. I'd be lying if I didn't say I
Speaker 3: think the same thing a lot of people. Now I'll say,
Speaker 3: this guy's push behind him is almost a little too unnatural, right,
Speaker 3: where like that if you get put like if you
Speaker 3: have the biggest opportunity, I mean, like if I got
Speaker 3: invited to go on Joe Rogan full disclosure, I'll say yes, yeah,
Speaker 3: But at the same time, like I understand that like
Speaker 3: if I have a certain calling and I'm and I'm
Speaker 3: presenting myself this certain way online and and my integrity
Speaker 3: is of utmost importance, right like that that we're in
Speaker 3: the truth or community, So our currency and our value
Speaker 3: is based on the truth that we can provide. And
Speaker 3: so if we're not truthful or if we could be
Speaker 3: used in a certain way to make the rest of
Speaker 3: the community look bad, like that's all those things would
Speaker 3: be going on in my mind. It's like because it's
Speaker 3: a great opportunity for me, Like potentially financially, if I
Speaker 3: go on Rogan right, man, my podcast could could go
Speaker 3: you know, could go nuclear, and I could just you know,
Speaker 3: I could get all kinds of new subs and everything
Speaker 3: like that, and I could get advertising stuff.
Speaker 2: But what if what if he makes me look.
Speaker 1: Bad and makes God look bad?
Speaker 2: That makes God? Yeah, makes God, your faith look bad.
Speaker 3: He's not gonna well, he can't make it, but he
Speaker 3: can make me look bad.
Speaker 1: Therefore, as a representative, can now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can now point at here's all the things,
Speaker 3: so like you know, like that's what the Bible says
Speaker 3: about being as wise as as serpents, and it isn't
Speaker 3: as dove so like, so to me, yeah, unless I
Speaker 3: felt really comfortable and obviously just based on being the title.
Speaker 3: So if I if you're with sid who proclaims Christ
Speaker 3: and he says that that, no, he's went there and
Speaker 3: seen the twenty four hours son and he does not
Speaker 3: believe it's a globe. Okay, so then it's not the
Speaker 3: final experiment. So like just in that sense where it's
Speaker 3: like I saw him online, he was on Twitter. He
Speaker 3: was like saying, I fought against the title. Well, no,
Speaker 3: you're not hard enough because I guess said you like said,
Speaker 3: you cannot attach me to this project if you're gonna
Speaker 3: at that, And I think to me, because it's like
Speaker 3: so now, whatever the opportunities are, I think, I think
Speaker 3: to me, it's like I would really like to have
Speaker 3: some truth serm on those guys and talk to him
Speaker 3: saying like are you glad you went? What do you think?
Speaker 2: What do you think now?
Speaker 3: Because like cause it's kind of like that. Let's just
Speaker 3: say that these guys did make a little bit of
Speaker 3: money and they got obviously lots of attention, but again,
Speaker 3: like not all.
Speaker 1: Attention is here's the here's the thing, here's the thing.
Speaker 1: I would say, what if YouTube came to you now
Speaker 1: now jaring Dude, he has on one hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: four thousand subscribers and he was getting literally before he
Speaker 1: went on this this show, he was getting only like
Speaker 1: thirty five hundred maybe maybe six thousand views on his
Speaker 1: channel because you know, YouTube is just gonna squeeze that,
Speaker 1: like they're gonna They're like, all right, we're gonna make
Speaker 1: it so that your stuff is not getting out to
Speaker 1: all your subscribers first of all. And basically they just
Speaker 1: they they made his show was just it was not
Speaker 1: it wasn't doing as well, not because of him like
Speaker 1: he was doing really. I mean, dude, his his content
Speaker 1: is great, bro, And it's not because of him. It's
Speaker 1: just because YouTube is doing whatever to him, I believe.
Speaker 1: But you know, there's a lot of things here that
Speaker 1: they could they could offer, you know, not just like
Speaker 1: the Candice Owans thing.
Speaker 3: I think that, but you know what is it saying
Speaker 3: the proverbs where it's saying like that that a good
Speaker 3: reputation is more valuable than all the riches, I know,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like so that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It's like, so I'm sure you and I both know,
Speaker 3: like if I took all the time that I do
Speaker 3: to make my podcasts and reels and things like that,
Speaker 3: and I concentrated on my real job, I would have
Speaker 3: lots more money, lots more.
Speaker 1: That's what my boss tells me all the time.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, but I guess the point is, well,
Speaker 3: obviously the point is is that you and I are
Speaker 3: not doing it for the money.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I don't, right, And you know that's what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So like that, so you could if it's fine, if
Speaker 3: it's finances, there's there's easier and better ways to make
Speaker 3: money than the ways that we're doing.
Speaker 1: Of course, and it was for me. This is like
Speaker 1: the rabbit versus the hair. Like I'm like the I'm
Speaker 1: like the I'm like the rabbit versus the hair. The turtle,
Speaker 1: the turtle versus the hair. I'm like the turtle. Bro,
Speaker 1: I'm going super slow and I'm just barely like going.
Speaker 1: My wife was telling me that she's like, your podcast
Speaker 1: is like the turtle, you know, because you're slowly gaining subscribers,
Speaker 1: slowly like making money.
Speaker 2: But I think that I think lots of us.
Speaker 3: So we have done this for free for many years,
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden you start to make
Speaker 3: a little bit of money doing it. And then first
Speaker 3: full disclosure, I've said this many times, if I could
Speaker 3: ever get the means to do this for a job,
Speaker 3: I would do it for a job, because obviously I
Speaker 3: would do I do it for free. I've done it
Speaker 3: for free, I've done it for a little bit of money.
Speaker 3: I want to be able to do it full time,
Speaker 3: and obviously that requires some money. And it's not because
Speaker 3: like I'm just a hill just promoting anything just to
Speaker 3: get money, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I'm not that like that.
Speaker 3: So that's why I have not chased all the sponsors
Speaker 3: and all the things in order to.
Speaker 2: Just do this. So that being said.
Speaker 3: That, it's kind of like I could be really Internet
Speaker 3: famous if I did something like like went on the
Speaker 3: Final Experiment, right, but then my reputation is but but yeah,
Speaker 3: but I guess the point is, like, so then what
Speaker 3: do you do with it? It's kind of like that.
Speaker 3: To me, It's like it's shortsighted to say that again,
Speaker 3: like you could go, let's just say I got famous
Speaker 3: for going on Joe Rogan and then he made me
Speaker 3: look like an idiot, you know what I mean like that,
Speaker 3: So so you've compromised yourself. Obviously the people who supported
Speaker 3: you look are embarrassed by how you performed and what
Speaker 3: you've done. And then it's like, so any new people
Speaker 3: who are coming along to your channel are probably not
Speaker 3: going to be your friends, and especially if you're you're
Speaker 3: in this very polarized a debate about the shape of
Speaker 3: the Earth.
Speaker 2: So this is this is what the.
Speaker 3: Things people and this is obviously this we'll maybe can
Speaker 3: get into this a little bit, but to me like that,
Speaker 3: the Gloverses are never going to respect Witsit and Jaron
Speaker 3: never yeah, never, So if they help, So if those
Speaker 3: guys get help prove the ball earth to people, they
Speaker 3: are still going to mock those guys. Those guys will
Speaker 3: never get any credit. They will never get any credit
Speaker 3: from the greater scientific community, intellectuals and globers, helocentric people.
Speaker 2: And then the people who.
Speaker 3: Supported them and liked them and shared their stuff and
Speaker 3: really have have like consumed all their content are going
Speaker 3: to feel betrayed by what happened. So then it's like, so,
Speaker 3: how like you could get a short term gain. Let's
Speaker 3: just say if they made some money in some notoriety.
Speaker 3: But I mean it's kind of like, but now you're
Speaker 3: going to be a parah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well they I think they thought. I think that
Speaker 1: because with it he was he was in the debate
Speaker 1: that he was debating, debating, debating, and he has a
Speaker 1: lot of people that follow him, and he also talks
Speaker 1: to a astrophysicist and on his show, and he does
Speaker 1: like schooling globers is one of his things. So he
Speaker 1: has a lot of respect in the community because he
Speaker 1: was but he was getting on Alex Jones debating. He
Speaker 1: was getting on the bigger, bigger shows. So once you
Speaker 1: start doing that, you're you're the conspiracy theorist start looking
Speaker 1: at you in a in a different way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, like it's because well it's funny because like
Speaker 3: like like yeah, you didn't get to go, like you
Speaker 3: didn't get to go Like, Okay, I've done some, you know,
Speaker 3: I've done some. I mean, I'm not sure how big
Speaker 3: a podcast I've ever got on. I mean, like tenfold
Speaker 3: had I guess I'm not. They're pretty big, I guess.
Speaker 1: I mean, like, but Sam Tripley's he's got a big show,
Speaker 1: but especially that's the biggest one for for ours, you know.
Speaker 3: But Sam invites lots of people on. He's actually fights
Speaker 3: a lot of people on that. I'm surprised get on
Speaker 3: the show. But so I've been on his show, but
Speaker 3: I've not been on Rogan. I've not been on like
Speaker 3: with Sean Ryan. I've been on like Tucker Carlston show.
Speaker 3: You know. Once I started doing like that, if you
Speaker 3: see me on Russell Brain, you'll be like, dang, Like
Speaker 3: how did how did JT go from like this middling
Speaker 3: podcast or to like, I mean, there's reasons to like
Speaker 3: ask questions like it's that's what I was saying, like
Speaker 3: the Wesley Huff thing. I'm not saying, I'm just saying
Speaker 3: like that. In my mind, I automatically thought, dang.
Speaker 2: This is a little bit quick.
Speaker 3: This is a little bit sudden for Rogan to know
Speaker 3: who he is, Like, that's that's kind.
Speaker 1: Of Joe Rogan had Billy Carson on his show.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And I guess I can see the I
Speaker 3: can see that connection.
Speaker 1: And and and obviously Joe Rogan and him were probably
Speaker 1: hitting it off because he's speaking exactly Joe Rogan.
Speaker 3: Exactly what he was I love it?
Speaker 1: Really the gospel message is not true. Let's go he
Speaker 1: was probably in it. And then now you know so,
Speaker 1: so there's there's an angle.
Speaker 2: That made me happened.
Speaker 3: But well, let me ask you a question, because again
Speaker 3: I have not followed this as closely as you clearly
Speaker 3: now what I've heard people say, and I've and I
Speaker 3: kind of experience this a little bit. I've seen clips
Speaker 3: of Wits that looking very sharp, looking very strong in
Speaker 3: some of these debates.
Speaker 1: He does a great job, bro.
Speaker 3: But then I remember, I remember at one point I
Speaker 3: was saying, my one bud, he was like kind of
Speaker 3: on the fence about the shape of the earth stuff,
Speaker 3: and he won't. It was like he was trying to
Speaker 3: get me to prove it to him, and I was
Speaker 3: kind of like, dude, that's not who I am. Like,
Speaker 3: you believe what you want to believe. I said, I'm
Speaker 3: telling you, this is why I believe what I believe.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then he's.
Speaker 3: Like, I said, you should go check out this guy
Speaker 3: wits it and and I guess he said, well, I
Speaker 3: looked up this debate with him in Flatter Day and
Speaker 3: Wits it looked pretty bad. And it's a professor Dave
Speaker 3: a Professor Dave, Oh yeah, flatter No, Well put it
Speaker 3: this way.
Speaker 2: I've heard.
Speaker 3: This is what I've heard, and you can tell me
Speaker 3: if this is true or not. I've heard a lot
Speaker 3: of people say the wits it looked really good in
Speaker 3: a lot of debates, and then lately he's kind of
Speaker 3: had a lot more like maybe duds where he looked
Speaker 3: he floundered a little bit. Is that is that okay?
Speaker 2: So accurate?
Speaker 1: I think that No, I don't. I don't think it's accurate,
Speaker 1: but I think that, Uh, what happened is, bro, here's
Speaker 1: the thing we have. We have tools in our tool belt,
Speaker 1: right and let's see, I'm just starting out and I
Speaker 1: got these certain tools I could use. Well, obviously, at
Speaker 1: some point people are gonna know all the tools that
Speaker 1: you've used. So what happened is when Professor by the
Speaker 1: time he got to Professor Dave, which he challenged him
Speaker 1: for the last like three years, he's already he already
Speaker 1: knows his bag of tricks. His bag of tricks is
Speaker 1: to prove geocentricity, right, and and that's something that he
Speaker 1: concentrates on well, because you cannot prove whether the Earth
Speaker 1: is moving or or the planets or whatever are moving
Speaker 1: for your orbiting right, you can't really prove that from Earth.
Speaker 1: So he already knew his bag of tricks. But I
Speaker 1: think he did really well against Professor Dave. I think
Speaker 1: he did great, but they but he wanted to stay
Speaker 1: away from the geocentricity talk and he wanted to go
Speaker 1: straight into the flat earth talk, which I think that
Speaker 1: which it still does good in that arena, but it's
Speaker 1: a little more he's little more uh scholastic and wants
Speaker 1: to talk about prove geocentricity and then flat Earth. You know,
Speaker 1: so when people already know your bag of tricks, bro
Speaker 1: and and and he obviously Professor Dave already knew what
Speaker 1: he was gonna come with. That's why it was easier
Speaker 1: to kind of stomp out that fire once he got
Speaker 1: on fire. Like Brookeley, he would stop the fire out
Speaker 1: like I don't want to talk about geo centracia. I
Speaker 1: want to talk about this.
Speaker 2: So that's probably what happened.
Speaker 1: But he's still I think he did really well against
Speaker 1: uh Professor Dave, knowing that Pfessor Dave knows everything about
Speaker 1: wits it and uh and and and knowing all.
Speaker 2: His tricks that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yea, so it's a little harder to do that.
Speaker 1: But anyways, so as we go forward, uh so one
Speaker 1: thing that okay, so let me see we already did.
Speaker 1: We kind of talked about pastor Will Duffy, So we
Speaker 1: talked about everything. Everybody that got invited, Jaren Witsit ended
Speaker 1: up being the people I talked about, uh uh Candice
Speaker 1: Owens uh and and by the way, withs it is
Speaker 1: going to be going on Candae Owens. So that's that's
Speaker 1: gonna be his That's that's another big show to get on.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyways, so so these guys go out there their
Speaker 1: first live that they have. I was kind of waiting
Speaker 1: for a live, dude when theyre When I went out there,
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I want to hear from them.
Speaker 1: I want to find out what's going on. Their first
Speaker 1: live was in Puta Arenas and they they were they
Speaker 1: were basically showing that the sun is is lit up
Speaker 1: facing south, you could see that the whole area is
Speaker 1: lit up, so you can kind of see like, hey, uh,
Speaker 1: they already knew. I think what's it? And gereday, I
Speaker 1: think they already knew if everything is on the up
Speaker 1: and up they pray already knew already that the sun
Speaker 1: is way too far south for where they're at compared
Speaker 1: to what there the AE map would would show. That
Speaker 1: makes sense. I think by the time they got to
Speaker 1: Putarinius they already know if if everything's on the up
Speaker 1: and up, that they already know, bro, because on our map,
Speaker 1: on that our map basically is basically you know, on
Speaker 1: not our map on their map. I'm biblical cosmology.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't put the AE map with the Bible,
Speaker 1: and I don't connect the two. But anyways, on their map,
Speaker 1: it's already too far south already, and they're showing it.
Speaker 1: It's it's midnight there, and they're showing that that that
Speaker 1: the sky is lit up in the south, totally lit
Speaker 1: up in supposedly it's midnight, right, if everything's on the.
Speaker 2: Up and up, it is right if we believe, if
Speaker 2: we believe.
Speaker 1: It was a live stream, So I believe it, man,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not a one that's gonna say. You know,
Speaker 1: there's there's a guy named King Nico Flattereth Banjo and
Speaker 1: a couple other shows. I think it's called They Live.
Speaker 1: They are like one hundred percent going that they fake
Speaker 1: the whole entire thing. And one thing I would say, man,
Speaker 1: King Nico and Flat Earth Banjo, they're both Christians, So
Speaker 1: you have to watch walk a little bit more of
Speaker 1: a tight rope if you're Christian, Bro, because there's certain
Speaker 1: things you can't do. Man, you can't go and slander
Speaker 1: people's name, Bro. And then and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: uh and say that they're sodomites. And that's one thing
Speaker 1: Nico says, they're all sodomites, They're all Freemasons. They're all
Speaker 1: this like, Bro, we are conspiracy. There's yeah, but dude,
Speaker 1: we are Christians first.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: You.
Speaker 3: I'm one of the people who I was just saying
Speaker 3: the other day is that you know a lot of
Speaker 3: people trying to expose everybody. And we actually had a
Speaker 3: very interesting conversation on on our podcast the other day,
Speaker 3: and I was saying that that, like they there is
Speaker 3: room for people to be used by the enemy without
Speaker 3: it being explicit, like where they are straight up Freemasons
Speaker 3: and three letter agencies and literally being told what to do. Obviously,
Speaker 3: that people can get other people to do things, and
Speaker 3: they obviously put a care in front of their face
Speaker 3: and say hey, do this.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of like.
Speaker 3: Saying that they are knowingly working for the enemy versus
Speaker 3: somebody who could be used even influenced by like demonic forces.
Speaker 3: They don't even realize they're.
Speaker 2: Being being tools of the enemy.
Speaker 3: So yeah, like, but to say that they're in these
Speaker 3: secret clubs, like, yeah, I think that you need to
Speaker 3: come with some more proof, but you need to.
Speaker 1: Have definitive proof. Bro, you are like straight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would I would never. I would never do that.
Speaker 3: I would never use somebody being in a secret society
Speaker 3: if I did not know, because again, for one, for
Speaker 3: one thing, it's just like for when I care what's true.
Speaker 3: And I also wouldn't want to build a straw man
Speaker 3: up that I could eventually be used.
Speaker 2: It could be used against me.
Speaker 3: It's like I say, so I go, I try to
Speaker 3: reach too far to say these people are deceivers, and
Speaker 3: then I end up looking stupid because they It's kind
Speaker 3: of like, and I don't know if you want to
Speaker 3: get into it now, the whole vape gate thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, we can't, okay, So so yeah we
Speaker 1: could get into that. So what I want to tell
Speaker 1: people right now before we get into that. Okay, I
Speaker 1: do Biblical cosmology on several different episodes. You cannot find
Speaker 1: one episode ever that I have ever done where I
Speaker 1: told anybody that the twenty four hour Son in Antarctica
Speaker 1: would prove the Bible wrong or prove anything in Biblical
Speaker 1: cosmology wrong. Okay, that that is just not that is
Speaker 1: just not true. The Bible makes no specific claims on
Speaker 1: whether the sun is as the twenty four hours in
Speaker 1: Antarctica or the Arctic. There's there's no claim like that
Speaker 1: at all. Okay, I'm gonna just let people know that
Speaker 1: one thing that we need to separate from as Christians.
Speaker 1: I just want to give advice to the people that
Speaker 1: are doing this. The King Nicos, the flatter Off Banjo. Hey,
Speaker 1: I love you guys. I understand that you guys are
Speaker 1: trying to think that you're protecting the Bible. But what
Speaker 1: they did is they married the a Map to the Bible,
Speaker 1: like they married those two together. And now right now
Speaker 1: they're saying that if the twenty four hour Son, they
Speaker 1: have to be lying because they're proven. They're trying to
Speaker 1: prove the Bible wrong, which is something you should not
Speaker 1: put together. A map is made by a man and
Speaker 1: it's also the globe squisted down, and and what happened
Speaker 1: is Antarctica goes on the outside. That's what happened on that.
Speaker 3: Well, you know what the thing is is that Bill
Speaker 3: Duffy did sound like he's trying to prove the Bible wrong.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, okay, it does Okay, it does it does sound.
Speaker 3: It does sound if he's willing to say that he
Speaker 3: already knows this is true, that he wouldn't mind proving
Speaker 3: the Bible wrong because he says that it's if it
Speaker 3: says this, then.
Speaker 1: He said, that's history, and that's that's the way. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's the way the Earth was back then. A couple
Speaker 1: of things. Man, he took over a church from a
Speaker 1: guy that was anti flat earther, and he's been on
Speaker 1: radio stations talking about flat Earth and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: So and that guy passed away to him.
Speaker 3: So see this is see, this is exactly why this
Speaker 3: is weird to me. It's that, like, I have the
Speaker 3: biggest problem with the guy I used to kind of
Speaker 3: like be friends with online and he does debates and
Speaker 3: he's like more on the science side, and he wants
Speaker 3: to be respected by intellectuals, and so he goes out
Speaker 3: of his way to like debate atheists at times, but
Speaker 3: then he also goes out there and he debates biblical
Speaker 3: flat earthers, and it's like to me, I'm like, this
Speaker 3: is a horrible look because it's kind of like the
Speaker 3: and he's, yeah, let's just say that there's two interpretations
Speaker 3: by of these scriptures.
Speaker 2: I would say there's one correct one.
Speaker 3: But that being said like that, if you believe something
Speaker 3: more literal, and I believe something's more you know, allegorical
Speaker 3: in the Bible, and I yes, I would just say
Speaker 3: like that, it's a bad look for two Christians to
Speaker 3: be arguing like that because I would say that I
Speaker 3: remember saying this before I ever kind of believed in.
Speaker 2: The Biblical cosmology.
Speaker 3: I said the one thing I said, I got to
Speaker 3: respect about flat earthers. I said, it's a faithful it's
Speaker 3: a faithful position. Because it'd be like, I don't care
Speaker 3: that you're gonna call me stupid. This is what I
Speaker 3: believe the Bible says, and I'm willing to be ridiculed
Speaker 3: to openly say that, you know what I mean? So
Speaker 3: like and I always and I just said, I was like,
Speaker 3: I was thinking, like, you know, it talks about faith
Speaker 3: like a child in the Bible, So like that if
Speaker 3: one day you went to before the gray white throne
Speaker 3: and you had to stand before God, and he says, ah,
Speaker 3: you know what, some of that flatter, so.
Speaker 2: It is more allegory, is actually as a spinning pall.
Speaker 3: But you know what, I have a feeling being father,
Speaker 3: knowing God's a good father, better father than me. He
Speaker 3: would say, But I'm not mad at you because you
Speaker 3: believe this is.
Speaker 2: What I said.
Speaker 1: You stood on the word.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you you really believed it. You might have been
Speaker 3: wrong about something, and I think that's why. It's like
Speaker 3: you're why, like why do you believe what you believe?
Speaker 3: And I think that God honors that to the point
Speaker 3: being is like that me knowing that and somebody else
Speaker 3: having a different Bible interpretation than me, and I know
Speaker 3: that they believe it because of you know, for a
Speaker 3: good reason.
Speaker 2: It's they look, it's a bad look.
Speaker 3: For me to be arguing with them about that, regardless
Speaker 3: of what the what the interpretation.
Speaker 1: Is, especially if you accept that the Bible teaches that
Speaker 1: and then you try to say like, well, that's just
Speaker 1: what God told them. Knowing that Titus one two, God
Speaker 1: cannot lie. Uh, he's six eighteen. It is impossible for
Speaker 1: God to lie. And knowing these verses, faith come it
Speaker 1: by hearing and hearing by the word of God. There's
Speaker 1: all these things that show and then all scriptures inspired
Speaker 1: by God, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And yeah, you're undermining the credibility of the.
Speaker 1: Bible versus there that are telling you that I do
Speaker 1: not I cannot lie, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: and he's doing a first hand account to Moses from God.
Speaker 1: So it's impossible for God to lie to Moses. Just
Speaker 1: letting you guys know that if you if you believe
Speaker 1: the whole entire Bible, Okay, it's impossible.
Speaker 3: Well right, Well, I mean I guess the thing is
Speaker 3: that when you get into the when you get into
Speaker 3: the realm of saying that, well that part's not true.
Speaker 3: Well then where does that end? Yeah? Yeah, pulling the
Speaker 3: thread off the sweater, and you can eventually there'll be
Speaker 3: it'll be nothing left, because that's what people are doing
Speaker 3: night And especially like I said, my my friend was
Speaker 3: doing this. He was like trying to prove certain parts
Speaker 3: of apologetics and certain parts of genes, but then just
Speaker 3: denying other parts. And I was just like, you're doing
Speaker 3: the Bible no favors. You're doing nobody any favors by
Speaker 3: doing that, because now you've allowed people to say, well,
Speaker 3: it's a buffet, so I'm gonna pick and choose what
Speaker 3: I believe in here. Yes, And then it's like, so
Speaker 3: then what are you left with? You're left with a
Speaker 3: book with not a lot of with not a lot
Speaker 3: of power respect if you say, once you start to
Speaker 3: pull away at the foundation, which like literally the foundation
Speaker 3: is like the very first chapter in the book, it's like,
Speaker 3: well that part's really not true.
Speaker 2: Okay, well that's a great start, right, and that is
Speaker 2: a and.
Speaker 1: They probably said this is not a faith issue or
Speaker 1: this is like this is dude, this is this or
Speaker 1: like a salvation issue, but bro, it brings people to
Speaker 1: salvation and it actually makes people not believe the Bible. Bro,
Speaker 1: when when people go the other.
Speaker 3: Way, all right, but you know what, but with that
Speaker 3: being said, being a flat earther is not being is
Speaker 3: not necessarily being a Christian at all. And obviously you
Speaker 3: can find out obviously like the most famous flat earthers
Speaker 3: is like what Eric Dubai. I think he denies that
Speaker 3: Jesus even existed. Yeah, So I think that that's why.
Speaker 3: And I think that that again, that's why I have
Speaker 3: been really skeptical of the whole thing until once I
Speaker 3: found out about it, because it was immediately used against me,
Speaker 3: like like you know what I'm saying, like that, oh,
Speaker 3: these flat earths debunked the flat Earth, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm not a flat earther.
Speaker 2: Those I don't know those guys, I'm not. I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not vouching for them. I don't know.
Speaker 3: And I think I've I've kind of came into this
Speaker 3: where I'm like, I I'm on your side, where I like,
Speaker 3: I don't want to go so far out to say
Speaker 3: that it's all fake, fake, I know it's fake, blah
Speaker 3: blah blah, because again I'm not I'm not trying to
Speaker 3: defend like the Gleason map and all that stuff like that,
Speaker 3: like that's not I've never said that that's the truest
Speaker 3: version of whatever this is.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's ever connected the two. I've Okay,
Speaker 1: there's a few verses that I have said that you know,
Speaker 1: the seas have its boundaries, right. I have said that
Speaker 1: I believe in Amos ninety six when it says vaulted dome.
Speaker 1: When you look up that word, it means binding. I
Speaker 1: think it's binding heaven, which is the firmament to the Earth.
Speaker 1: I do believe that the firmament connects to the Earth.
Speaker 1: I never said, though, it connects to Antarctica. And that's
Speaker 1: a yeah.
Speaker 2: Finally, well see you never says that, you know. That's
Speaker 2: the funny thing. I remember.
Speaker 3: I know Tyler for fittest flat earther. I know he's
Speaker 3: he was coming.
Speaker 1: Out to Tyler. I talked to him. He doesn't email me.
Speaker 3: He was he was coming at people for talking about
Speaker 3: lance beyond the ice wall. And it's like, you know what,
Speaker 3: I believe in biblical cosmology, and I'm open to the
Speaker 3: idea that there's lance past because when I saw that
Speaker 3: progue clock, I'm like, dang, that actually is really interesting,
Speaker 3: you know, like that that because I because the way
Speaker 3: I was thinking about it, like what if the that
Speaker 3: the Earth as we know it is only where you know,
Speaker 3: so if they think about like even like the glease
Speaker 3: and map, just think like that that's a one part
Speaker 3: of the realm. And so outside of where the circuit
Speaker 3: of the sun is, it's it's icy and cold and
Speaker 3: It's like there could be darkness beyond there, but there
Speaker 3: could be Like the Bible does not say that there's, yeah,
Speaker 3: the the dome connects to the ice at the edge.
Speaker 3: It doesn't say so. Like what I'm saying is like
Speaker 3: I believe in a dome ferment and it could be
Speaker 3: way bigger ye, Like like you say, like on here,
Speaker 3: you could have a little small part of that is
Speaker 3: where the ice wall ends. And so it's it's further
Speaker 3: past than we could go. And that's why I'm saying
Speaker 3: like that, I'm open to the idea that that this
Speaker 3: could place could be way more dynamic or bigger or
Speaker 3: whatever than we could ever imagine. And is that biblical? Well,
Speaker 3: it doesn't really say it, just like I guess it said.
Speaker 3: It's it's I'm saying that there's open to alternative ideas.
Speaker 3: I said at this point, I'm really have only came
Speaker 3: to biblical cosmology within like a year and a half,
Speaker 3: and now I'm like in the place where dang, I'm
Speaker 3: not really sure what what's true. I mean, I know
Speaker 3: that there's a greater light to rule the day, and
Speaker 3: there's a lesser light to rule the night, and then
Speaker 3: there's there's stars above.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what outside of that could be true? And
Speaker 2: what what could be could.
Speaker 1: They know that Isaiah forty twenty two does say that
Speaker 1: it is he who sitteth upon the circle of the ears.
Speaker 1: So God's thrown is above the firmament. Ezekiel one twenty
Speaker 1: six says that God's thrown is above the firmament. Right.
Speaker 1: It says that, I think, yeah, so that's a vision.
Speaker 1: The visions come, you know, if you look at numbers
Speaker 1: twelve versus four to three, it says that you know,
Speaker 1: God comes to to them in visions and the dreams
Speaker 1: to prophets. Right, so that's coming from God. Right, so
Speaker 1: we had to the earth, And definitely I believe it
Speaker 1: is thrown us above the firmament.
Speaker 2: But I guess my point being is like, did.
Speaker 1: There's how big is the circle? Is what you're saying?
Speaker 3: How big is the circle? Could be way bigger than
Speaker 3: you could ever know. And and even I mean there
Speaker 3: is actually versus that kind of speak to that is
Speaker 3: about how far the ends of the earth are, and
Speaker 3: then how how great the heavens are, how far they
Speaker 3: stretch out. Yeah, So that all that being said, no,
Speaker 3: do you not try to attach that map that model
Speaker 3: to me and then say.
Speaker 1: Man, bro forces, let God be true. Every man a liar.
Speaker 1: So it's made by man. Obviously there's gonna be air
Speaker 1: in it. Dude, God didn't make the map.
Speaker 3: I think the way I think the way that I
Speaker 3: read the Bible, especially in the Book of job when
Speaker 3: it's like when God is challenging job on like all
Speaker 3: the processes of the earth, even I read in yeah,
Speaker 3: when he's Also when you're reading in the Book of Enoch,
Speaker 3: when Enoch's taken to all these different places to see
Speaker 3: the different processes of the Earth and the and the
Speaker 3: links in the and the where the circuits of the
Speaker 3: sun and the and the celestials go, and things like that,
Speaker 3: it's very mysterious. It's I think it's meant to be
Speaker 3: like that, Like we're not meant to note all the
Speaker 3: ins and outs and how it all works. It's just
Speaker 3: like it's a faith thing. But it's weird to me
Speaker 3: like that, And I think that's why I'm saying like that.
Speaker 3: It's troubling to me to see how it's It was
Speaker 3: always meant to be used in this way. I think
Speaker 3: like this was always the intent.
Speaker 1: It created a huge talking point for the globe Earth
Speaker 1: people when it comes to debates they're gonna lean.
Speaker 3: On that is exactly what I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Lean on this like no tomorrow and everybody that's not
Speaker 1: even involved in this debate, when once they hear someone
Speaker 1: even bring up the word flat, that's already been gonna
Speaker 1: immediately go to the twenty four hours son and I
Speaker 1: will say it'd It will make it so that people
Speaker 1: will not even want to even look into it and
Speaker 1: at all. Now that if they haven't looked.
Speaker 2: Into it at all, that's my that's my.
Speaker 1: Person closed that door for them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my personal experience is because you like, you
Speaker 3: know the videos I make?
Speaker 2: I mean, how many how many videos.
Speaker 3: Do I make where I talk about the shape of
Speaker 3: the Earth's biblical cosmology or anything. It's not that I'm
Speaker 3: afraid of that topic, but you see, like you see
Speaker 3: the content I make.
Speaker 1: But you got, bro, you got a lot of different
Speaker 1: stuff going already. Yeah, well that you see me on
Speaker 1: the show at one time, and I know if you
Speaker 1: had a show just recently where you guys were talking
Speaker 1: about it, but yeah you're not you're not focused on that,
Speaker 1: but ane concerned.
Speaker 3: No, But it's like, so I make lots of videos
Speaker 3: about other things that I find interesting, and it's like
Speaker 3: that's that's obviously one of the things. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 3: kind of almost like baked in the cake at this point.
Speaker 3: This is kind of I believe in biblical cosmo. I'm
Speaker 3: not sure how all the process work. I've never been
Speaker 3: trying to get smart enough to debate it versus anybody.
Speaker 3: I think debate shows are cringe. I don't want to
Speaker 3: be like that. So then when somebody immediately tries to say,
Speaker 3: I need to get your mind right now because you're
Speaker 3: wrong about this, It's like, where did you come from?
Speaker 3: Like that's not like you know, you're not trying to
Speaker 3: like so to me, it felt like somebody was trying
Speaker 3: to use a weapon against me. And that's why I thought,
Speaker 3: what do you mean? It's the final experience, And so
Speaker 3: that I starts to really kind of unpeel the onion,
Speaker 3: where like the final experiment, Wait, so with this is
Speaker 3: the bunks the flat Earth?
Speaker 2: If if this is true?
Speaker 3: Because I didn't even even I didn't even really looked
Speaker 3: into it this experiment at all, and then I realized
Speaker 3: it's like, oh, so this is what they're saying, and Okay,
Speaker 3: so this is why now the Bible's wrong, I guess.
Speaker 2: I mean, because that's basically what they were.
Speaker 3: This guy was trying to tell me, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: get out of here, you know, like, and I've that's
Speaker 3: and I think that's what was like immediately, like in
Speaker 3: my spirit was like troubled by this because I because
Speaker 3: I could kind of see now broll.
Speaker 1: Yes, I was like, well, I was glued to this, bro.
Speaker 1: The reason why I mean, I like I said, I
Speaker 1: am teaching this subject like crazy, but I want to
Speaker 1: make sure that I see what happens because I don't
Speaker 1: want to I don't want to marry the two together,
Speaker 1: but I don't want I don't want the final experiment
Speaker 1: to happen to own now all the Bible verses I've
Speaker 1: gone over are wrong. I don't want people to think
Speaker 1: that at all, Bro, So I need to be prepared.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of like, well, it's kind of like that,
Speaker 2: that's what I was saying.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's sort of ridiculous to think that just
Speaker 3: on the title, and I think I honestly I would. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you need to talk to Dnodal and say why did
Speaker 3: you say that? Because you present all this evidence of
Speaker 3: no curvature, water not sticking to a spinning ball, all
Speaker 3: the things you believe about the celestials and the North
Speaker 3: Star and all this stuff, and then so then the
Speaker 3: sun goes round and everything you just said was all
Speaker 3: was all bs.
Speaker 2: So now you've finally found curvature.
Speaker 3: You finally like water does stick stick to a spelling
Speaker 3: ball exactly.
Speaker 1: It doesn't prove anything you don't believe in.
Speaker 2: It don't hermit anymore, you know what I mean? Like, like,
Speaker 2: what are you talking?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying like that? Why did you
Speaker 2: say that?
Speaker 3: Because I think that's what to me would be like.
Speaker 3: So we've already established what the Bible says.
Speaker 2: We do have.
Speaker 3: Empirical evidence about like potentially the shape of the Earth
Speaker 3: and like the lack of curvature, and like why you
Speaker 3: can see things over the horizon with the right Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: a kind of all kinds of things like I think
Speaker 3: to me, I always my one of my greatest like
Speaker 3: kind of clues of what this place would be more like,
Speaker 3: would was the was the constellations? You you cannot you
Speaker 3: would never be able to prove to me that we
Speaker 3: are spinning around the sun.
Speaker 2: The Sun's spinning, everything's going up.
Speaker 3: To millions of miles an hour, and then all the
Speaker 3: constellations remain constant every year.
Speaker 2: No way now.
Speaker 3: Because those things would well, then those things would be
Speaker 3: moving too, right in our galaxies going like million a
Speaker 3: million miles an hour, So like you're one.
Speaker 1: Point three million miles in our expansion.
Speaker 3: Right, right, So that's happening and all those other you
Speaker 3: have to conclude right that all the other solar systems
Speaker 3: or whatever are doing the same thing. Right, So if
Speaker 3: that's happening, like, how do how did the stars stay
Speaker 3: where they're at?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So to me, it's like the rotation of the celestials
Speaker 3: obviously does not tell you a lot about the shape
Speaker 3: of the of the ground you're on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everything celestial. I think what they did this is
Speaker 1: what I think they did when they when they made
Speaker 1: the globe model. They made it from what the stars,
Speaker 1: what the celestials do, which are the stars, the Sun
Speaker 1: and the moon, what they do. That's I think how
Speaker 1: they created the globe model, not because of Aristotle, like
Speaker 1: all the stuff that they said were you know, the
Speaker 1: sticks and shadows. Dude, they just took whatever this whatever's
Speaker 1: going on up there and they made the globe. That's
Speaker 1: what I think happened. Yeah, and then that's terrestrial. We're
Speaker 1: seeing that it's flat. You know, we're seeing stuff from
Speaker 1: fifty miles away, We're seeing stuff from two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty miles away. We're seeing stuff. Everything terrestrial, it seems flat.
Speaker 1: Everything that is celestial? What is what they use in
Speaker 1: the debates? They use the everything celestial? Why is this
Speaker 1: thing going doing this? Why is this doing that? Why
Speaker 1: is there a twenty four hour sun? Why is everything
Speaker 1: that's celestial? I think they're trying to use to make
Speaker 1: the globe But everything that's measured from the Earth terrestrial.
Speaker 2: It's flat. It's flat and don't move. It's flat and
Speaker 2: doesn't move.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so that being said, okay, so if I
Speaker 3: went down there and I saw the sun in the
Speaker 3: sky the whole day, long day and night saw day
Speaker 3: and night, then it would not be the final experiment.
Speaker 3: But I would say, yeah that I would say that
Speaker 3: based on that that AE map, that model.
Speaker 2: Has been debunked.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't mean one hundred percent of it's been debunked,
Speaker 3: but obviously how the celestials move on that map wrong? Yeah,
Speaker 3: So so that has been so then obviously now you
Speaker 3: have more experiments to do because you've already kind of
Speaker 3: established it like that there's no curve based on what
Speaker 3: they say that what is the eight inches per miles
Speaker 3: squared all? Yeah, so that that's obviously clearly been debunked
Speaker 3: a long time ago, you know, obviously just the idea
Speaker 3: of like that, did you know? The point being is
Speaker 3: like did and here's and here's why, I like, maybe
Speaker 3: we should just get into the nuts and bolts of
Speaker 3: like the things that people are calling up for being sketchy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but here's what I would say, is that, And here's
Speaker 3: why I would not have gone. Here's why I would
Speaker 3: not have gone because with that title right with First
Speaker 3: of all, yeah, I mean I wouldn't go with I
Speaker 3: would go with people I knew and I trusted. Yeah,
Speaker 3: obviously I could. There was a lot of reason to
Speaker 3: be skeptical of these people, especially like this guy Will Duffy,
Speaker 3: because he's a liar. You know, he lied once, he's
Speaker 3: a liar. We're all we've all lied, we've all been liars.
Speaker 3: But point being is like he did it very publicly. Okay,
Speaker 3: So with that being said, if they went down there
Speaker 3: and they did not see a twenty four hour son,
Speaker 3: would that prove the flat earth?
Speaker 1: Dude? If they went this is what I said. If
Speaker 1: you go down there and you don't and you see
Speaker 1: that sunset, you ain't coming back. Well right, that's right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the woman back bro the point they proved the globe,
Speaker 1: that would prove the globe wrong. They're not gonna lie
Speaker 1: to come back, bro, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Well, my point is is like even speculation, but even
Speaker 3: if it proved the globe wrong, it would not prove
Speaker 3: the flat Earth.
Speaker 1: Right, No, it wouldn't.
Speaker 3: And again and honestly would not disprove I wouldn't necessarily
Speaker 3: would even say it would disprove the globe. It would
Speaker 3: disprove the current model they've got in the same way.
Speaker 1: The helios would disprove the heliocentric model.
Speaker 2: It would disapprove it in a certain way.
Speaker 3: Well, my point is like you could say that, and
Speaker 3: I could believe you, But I'm saying like that, would
Speaker 3: people who believe in the globe conclude that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What would everybody on Earth say?
Speaker 4: Okay, you know what, since that happened, since will Duffy
Speaker 4: is true, saw that the Earth the sun set in
Speaker 4: Antarctica in December.
Speaker 2: Therefore, yeah, the globe has been debunked.
Speaker 3: Do you think anyone would agree with that? So, like, so,
Speaker 3: what you've really done is you had not a lot
Speaker 3: to gain and you had everything to lose by going
Speaker 3: there saying it's the final experiment. So if you see it,
Speaker 3: which obviously lots of people have said for a long time.
Speaker 3: Even I thought I saw this video from Eric Debay
Speaker 3: saying that I guess these flat earthers from.
Speaker 2: Like I can't remember, it was like eighteen hundreds. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 3: They all they actually wrote in there that they believe
Speaker 3: that that could be possibility. So they weren't like, so
Speaker 3: this idea is not new, No, you know, this is
Speaker 3: not like this is this is obviously again so this
Speaker 3: is not a final experiment. This is something that's that's
Speaker 3: kind of been known. So to me, what I was
Speaker 3: really troubled by was the fact that if I was
Speaker 3: one of those guys, I would be obviously screaming to
Speaker 3: the to the rooftop saying, hey, I'm open to the possibility. Yes,
Speaker 3: it would debunk this current map, this current model. But
Speaker 3: here's my possibilities. If I you see it. So when
Speaker 3: you're down there and you see it, now you're actually
Speaker 3: can be can you know?
Speaker 2: Can you can?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Jared, Jared I can? He was leaning. He was
Speaker 1: basically he was saying because Jaren has been but he's
Speaker 1: not a biblical cosmologist, bro, He's a flat earther and
Speaker 1: he is the A map was what he was depending on,
Speaker 1: saying that the flights work. And and now Jared, this
Speaker 1: is kind of uh, you know at this moment, is
Speaker 1: believing more it being a globe. Just to be honest.
Speaker 1: You know, even on his show, I think he is.
Speaker 2: You know, he sounds like he sounds like a grifter.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I just how much money did he make on it
Speaker 2: being flat?
Speaker 1: Well he was doing it?
Speaker 2: Now is he going to go on shows now? And
Speaker 2: he's going to debate the flatter?
Speaker 3: So like I said, you're gonna say all these proofs
Speaker 3: that you had for it being flat versus this one,
Speaker 3: this one observation is going to destroy every Yeah, because
Speaker 3: you're saying like that.
Speaker 1: It's because he's well, he's one thing he is being
Speaker 1: if everything is on the up and up, is he
Speaker 1: is being honest because he based his whole everything on
Speaker 1: that AE map you know, he's that's what he's been using.
Speaker 1: So he is being honest. If you did see the
Speaker 1: twenty four Sun. He is feeling like that that map
Speaker 1: has proved wrong. He feels like Eric Dubay came on
Speaker 1: the scene with that map and and Eric Dubay he thinks,
Speaker 1: he thinks Eric Debay's a shill, you know. So I
Speaker 1: just think it gets interesting. But we meet JT. Josh Monday.
Speaker 1: We are not flat earthers. I am Biblical cosmologists. That's
Speaker 1: what I've said, you know, very beginning.
Speaker 2: You hate the name.
Speaker 3: It sounds it sounds stid, it sounds stupid. It's I
Speaker 3: think it's designed to sound stupid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's something that uh yeah. I that's why
Speaker 1: I always use biblical cosmology because if you're Christian and
Speaker 1: you hear what I talk about biblical cosmology, wise, if
Speaker 1: you believe the Bible, you're gonna believe that that's that's
Speaker 1: what it says, you know what I mean. So it's different.
Speaker 1: But there are some verses, you know, like there's there's
Speaker 1: that talks about the ends of the Earth or like
Speaker 1: the limits of the of the seas. Joe thirty eight
Speaker 1: twelve says that when when he prepared to have Evans,
Speaker 1: I was there he drew a circle on the face
Speaker 1: of the deep. Actually that's not that's Proverbs. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: It says when he prepared the heavens, I was there,
Speaker 1: when he drew a circle on the face of the deep,
Speaker 1: when he established the clouds above, when he strengthened the
Speaker 1: fountains of the of the deep, when he assigned the
Speaker 1: seas it's limits. Uh, you know, so where where it
Speaker 1: cannot transgress? Right? So there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean again the like obviously, so where's
Speaker 3: the where it is the sea?
Speaker 2: Where's the limits?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's something that maybe someone would say the
Speaker 1: limits or Antarctica, you know, on the outside of the ice.
Speaker 2: Well again that that would be based on a limited view.
Speaker 3: Yes, it could be, but obviously there could be limits
Speaker 3: outside of where there's further right, yeah, right, there could be.
Speaker 2: There could be all kinds again if.
Speaker 3: There was those, if there is multiple layers of this
Speaker 3: this place. Even the funny thing about when people say
Speaker 3: the ends of the earth, you know where the end
Speaker 3: of the earth is, Josh, do I know? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I can tell you where. I can tell you where
Speaker 3: the end of the earth is I go, I go
Speaker 3: drive east and I get to the end. Yeah, then
Speaker 3: the sea starts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know it's kind of almost like that.
Speaker 3: You know, Biblically, the earth is not a ball, it's
Speaker 3: not a globe. The earth and the sea are not
Speaker 3: the same thing. The earth is where you stand. It's
Speaker 3: the dry land, and the sea is something different. That's
Speaker 3: what people are. So that's what they've they've these these people,
Speaker 3: these these scientists have taught people to read stuff into
Speaker 3: the Bible that's not there. It's it's actually very clear.
Speaker 3: It's like, what is the earth. I'll reach down and
Speaker 3: grab it in my hand and I'll pick it up
Speaker 3: and I'll show it to you. Here's a bunch of
Speaker 3: earth in my hand. The earth is the dry land.
Speaker 3: So the ends of the earth is where where the
Speaker 3: sea starts.
Speaker 2: I think that.
Speaker 3: So it's kind of like that. These things are actually
Speaker 3: very clear and easy to understand. It's not saying like
Speaker 3: that there's an edge, that the water's falling off and
Speaker 3: stuff like that. That's what the flat earth society has
Speaker 3: brought you. And that's why it's dumb to go under
Speaker 3: that label of flat earth when we already know that
Speaker 3: the flat Earth society as a sy op that is
Speaker 3: what you're supposed to make everyone looks so stupid who
Speaker 3: says they believe it? Because that's why they showed normies
Speaker 3: this floating pizza box or a floating pizza disc. In
Speaker 3: outer space, everything almost remained the same, except for there's
Speaker 3: like a quarter in the sky like in the in
Speaker 3: the an outer space, it is.
Speaker 1: Water dropping off of it.
Speaker 3: It's ridiculous, and it's meant to be ridiculous. So when
Speaker 3: you when you associate yourself with that, now you seem stupid.
Speaker 3: I think that the one thing I've always liked about
Speaker 3: I guess maybe certain people who are flat earth or
Speaker 3: as their Biblical cosmologists, is when they get asked certain
Speaker 3: questions and they say, I'm not sure we have we
Speaker 3: we don't claim to have answers for everything. Yea, you know,
Speaker 3: like you kind of want to strengthen your side where
Speaker 3: you're saying, like, I would rather pick at your model
Speaker 3: because this is supposedly the accepted model.
Speaker 1: That's what they do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't feel I don't feel any compulsion to
Speaker 3: try to prove with the Bible says, because I know
Speaker 3: lots of these things are supposed to be taken in faith.
Speaker 3: So like, that's why even get into like something like
Speaker 3: nine to eleven. I think, I think you get into
Speaker 3: the weeds when you try to debate how how like
Speaker 3: at what temperature does the beams melt? I always just say,
Speaker 3: let's go to the strongest part of our argument is saying, Hey,
Speaker 3: you ever heard of Building seven?
Speaker 1: Did you ever see felt the building one six too?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: The ones that they get hit by the flant six? Yeah,
Speaker 3: the one that didn't get hit by the plane. It's like,
Speaker 3: isn't that weird? How that one just fell? And then
Speaker 3: I want you I'm talking about right, so I want
Speaker 3: explain that. I want you to explain those things. And
Speaker 3: that's why I was saying like that, if I have
Speaker 3: very strong arguments on the on biblical cosmology, what the
Speaker 3: Bible does say about it, Well, I'm going to say,
Speaker 3: like that disproves your model. Right there, I would say
Speaker 3: that that does just the fact that the North Star
Speaker 3: does not move, yeah, disproves.
Speaker 2: The globe model.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I say, without a doubt.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's just really far away and doesn't look like
Speaker 2: it moves.
Speaker 3: Everything is spinning like a million miles an hour. And
Speaker 3: then but but that's far away, so it doesn't look
Speaker 3: like it moves.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Whatever, So I say that observation that almost everybody can
Speaker 3: observe is way stronger than twenty four dudes going down
Speaker 3: to Antarctica and seeing the sun do something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think. Yeah, so it gets interesting. And
Speaker 1: when I what I do with when I'm debating, you know,
Speaker 1: biblical cosmology is is I just go straight to scripture
Speaker 1: after scripture after scripture after scripture, and that's what I
Speaker 1: stick with. And then when so much has to go
Speaker 1: over to science and go over to that, I'm like, ay,
Speaker 1: brolet's and and you will never ever ever see anybody
Speaker 1: that backs up the globe as a Christian go verse
Speaker 1: after verse after verse explaining the globe because it cannot happen.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: One, verse maybe two, and that's it. And just like
Speaker 1: you see the Pastor Greylock when he debated Pastor Dean Odle,
Speaker 1: he literally came with two verses that didn't have nothing
Speaker 1: to do with cosmology at all and started teaching other stuff.
Speaker 1: So you guys can see it. Man, I've debated people
Speaker 1: on my show. I've debated Peter Markley, which I respect.
Speaker 1: We had a good time talking. But we were trying
Speaker 1: to debate whether the Bible teaches cosmology in the first place,
Speaker 1: and and uh, I went the who, what, when, where,
Speaker 1: and why of exactly what the Bible says about cosmology,
Speaker 1: and it's they still don't believe it. So anyways, it happens, bro.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I agree with you, man, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of things that we could see, uh, that we could
Speaker 1: go with and and just dissect their their model, you know,
Speaker 1: instead of you wanted an article, but go ahead, what's up?
Speaker 2: Do you want to get into the to the sketchy.
Speaker 1: Stuff we can, Yes, let's do it, man, we could
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, let's get into the stuff that that
Speaker 1: that the big talking points of everybody's you know, the
Speaker 1: King Nicos, the uh modern Banjos and and what these
Speaker 1: gentlemen are going over.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, bro, okay, well, let's just let's just talk
Speaker 3: about the Bate Gate because I think to me, this
Speaker 3: was like for for lack of veture, this was the
Speaker 3: smoking gun where I was like, I don't know what
Speaker 3: I I don't know what's true and what's not true,
Speaker 3: but I do know what I just saw. And I
Speaker 3: saw the King Niko video where he showed that that
Speaker 3: wits it. Who Obviously, there was this big debate about
Speaker 3: whether it was cold enough to see his breath or
Speaker 3: it was too dry. He blew out some vapor or
Speaker 3: his breath. You could see his breath at one point.
Speaker 3: And then I saw the video of him walking, turning
Speaker 3: off his camera, playing some music, and then walking to
Speaker 3: it to the trailer, coming out very clearly appearing to
Speaker 3: put something to his mouth, and then he walks over,
Speaker 3: sets it down, and then turns the camera and blows
Speaker 3: into it. What's up now? And then he tries to
Speaker 3: blow again, and he doesn't blow it. He hardly blows
Speaker 3: anything out, and then he walks over and gets the snow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yea, I have a heart live. I watched this live,
Speaker 1: just just letting you guys know. I watched his because dude,
Speaker 1: I was following this thing like a hawk. I saw
Speaker 1: what's it's live? I kept checking Jared, I kept checking
Speaker 1: what's it? Finally he was live cool, and I literally
Speaker 1: watched him. I watched it. And one thing you guys
Speaker 1: got to know, and he knows, and so does Jared,
Speaker 1: that dude, there's conspiracy theories. Bro. We're not just people
Speaker 1: that aren't gonna believe anybody. It don't matter if you're there.
Speaker 2: You should you should, you should like yeah, because I
Speaker 2: think they.
Speaker 1: Was this right here. He turned the camera off. He
Speaker 1: went because that that made me right away go why
Speaker 1: do he turn the camera off? He was taking live
Speaker 1: questions for example, okay, live questions. He opened, he put
Speaker 1: his head up or as glasses up, which they had
Speaker 1: glasses on the whole time. You can't see their eyes,
Speaker 1: which is very interesting. But he's looking and and someone
Speaker 1: said pick up snow and he goes, oh, all right,
Speaker 1: And he kept on trying to show he was and
Speaker 1: he wasn't wearing gloves, no, and he was trying to
Speaker 1: show his breath the whole time. He was like, He's like,
Speaker 1: you got earlier you could see it, but he can't
Speaker 1: see it now. He's like, that's weird. So anyways, uh,
Speaker 1: I even showed my wife this and she doesn't believe
Speaker 1: in flatter at it all and she was like, that's
Speaker 1: that's sketchy. So he pauses the He says, all right,
Speaker 1: I need to go get my gloves real quick. He
Speaker 1: pauses the and not positive, but he puts on his
Speaker 1: wife's music. Right it's it goes to black, and I
Speaker 1: was like, why did he do that? Like, like, why
Speaker 1: would you do that? You should have left it going
Speaker 1: even if it's just blank, who cares.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you're just gonna see the background. It's just
Speaker 2: no worry.
Speaker 1: You got the expiracy theorists that are ready to break
Speaker 1: everything you do down. And he puts he puts the
Speaker 1: black screen. I go, I heard what the heck?
Speaker 3: And in which supposedly he said he was trying to
Speaker 3: play a video, but like he wouldn't play regardless if
Speaker 3: he was trying to play a video, it would be
Speaker 3: weird for him to play a video instead of just
Speaker 3: seeing the background, because it wasn't like he wasn't going
Speaker 3: that long.
Speaker 1: Wants to see that. Everybody wants to see what's going on.
Speaker 1: Everybody's watching every movement. And he puts the black screen
Speaker 1: on and I was watching everything too. I went, I
Speaker 1: was like, why did he do that? I even said
Speaker 1: it when he did it. I was watching it live,
Speaker 1: and I was like, why did he do that? And
Speaker 1: then he comes back and he goes and he says, oh,
Speaker 1: and you could see his breath and I'm like, what
Speaker 1: the heck?
Speaker 2: And then there's a lot of breath, and.
Speaker 1: His second breathe out you could barely see any breath.
Speaker 1: The third you can't see anything at all. And he says, oh,
Speaker 1: it's hurting my lungs. I don't want to do that anymore.
Speaker 2: So let's hyperanalyze this though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the way he blew out, the way he tried
Speaker 3: to show his breath, he didn't go yeah like you
Speaker 3: would like, you know, like how you would blow out
Speaker 3: breath to blow out hot breath, because he blew out
Speaker 3: like you're blowing out a candle.
Speaker 2: He blew out like he was blowing out smoke.
Speaker 3: Or a vapor. Yeah, very obviously he did. And I
Speaker 3: know he was when you sent me a clip. I
Speaker 3: guess he was debating debating Flatzoid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he was.
Speaker 3: He was saying like that Flatzoid might have saw a
Speaker 3: an edited clip where he was ducking down. But the
Speaker 3: thing is the King Nico one that I saw it wasn't.
Speaker 3: It wasn't showing him duck down.
Speaker 2: It did not look edited.
Speaker 1: That one looks like that one was actually off of
Speaker 1: the twenty four Hour Son of Dave mckegan. They got
Speaker 1: that footage because the cameras that they were using out there,
Speaker 1: which are pretty pretty awesome as they have a three
Speaker 1: sixty view, so you could look around you besides looking
Speaker 1: at the sun. You could use that camera to look
Speaker 1: around you.
Speaker 2: So he must not have known that, of course not.
Speaker 1: He didn't know, no, so.
Speaker 2: He So point being is he lied?
Speaker 3: I mean I think I believe he lied because I
Speaker 3: think it looks very clearly like he was smoking a
Speaker 3: vape or puffing on a vape however you want to
Speaker 3: say it, vaping on a vape. And he walked over
Speaker 3: to the camera. You could see him set it down
Speaker 3: right where the camera was set up. And then that's
Speaker 3: immediately when he turned the screen on and blew into
Speaker 3: the thing. Yeah, and it makes sense that, like you
Speaker 3: could see his breath right then, and then it's kind
Speaker 3: of like he went inside to take a drink, and
Speaker 3: then why didn't you just bring the drink with you? Yeah, right,
Speaker 3: like you could have, like if you're drinking water, which
Speaker 3: I would have been drinking water probably, and then you.
Speaker 1: Could have showed this is what you could have showed. Guys,
Speaker 1: this is an experiment right here, and when you drink
Speaker 1: water out here, you could see your breath. When you
Speaker 1: don't think it, you can't see it. That's all you
Speaker 1: can say. And then everybody wouldn't even thought anything about it.
Speaker 3: His his lung his lungs hurt because he took it too,
Speaker 3: heard of it, pull from that jewel he had.
Speaker 1: It was weird. I'm gonna be honest, bro that whole
Speaker 1: that whole thing right there was was a little strange.
Speaker 3: Broth.
Speaker 1: Does that make it that they faked the whole entire
Speaker 1: trip and all the footage that Jaren has that out
Speaker 1: of his gop or his body cam and everything that
Speaker 1: they did is fake. Does it make the whole thing
Speaker 1: fake because of that?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: But it did. It did. It was a little weird. Man.
Speaker 1: Even my wife, who was a glober, she's like she
Speaker 1: saw that and she was like wow.
Speaker 3: Now wait, no way, let's let's get into real quick.
Speaker 3: But he was stuck so that that whole thing with
Speaker 3: flats And so this is why I kind of like,
Speaker 3: I've been kind of mostly quiet on my channel talking
Speaker 3: about it until I saw till you sent me. I
Speaker 3: saw that, and I said, I remember, I reached Week
Speaker 3: and I sent it to him, and I.
Speaker 1: Sent it to JT because me and j T were
Speaker 1: gonna do a show in the final experiment last week,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to make sure that we have everything
Speaker 1: you know going here.
Speaker 2: That Yeah, no, it was.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 3: It's good that we didn't do it last week because
Speaker 3: I didn't. I was again, I wasn't his read on this.
Speaker 3: And so when I first saw the King Nico clip,
Speaker 3: I saw it on Twitter or X and I and
Speaker 3: I said, this looks bad for wits it.
Speaker 2: And that's that.
Speaker 3: That's all I said, because I didn't. I didn't say
Speaker 3: anything definitive. I said this looks bad. Yeah that if
Speaker 3: he did, if he did this, And so then you
Speaker 3: sent me that clip, and I was listening to part
Speaker 3: of it, and I, you know, like you could have
Speaker 3: can maybe convinced me that it was edited and he
Speaker 3: really didn't do that if he doesn't, he doesn't vape,
Speaker 3: if he did.
Speaker 2: Not vape while he was down there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now when you sent me that clip, they were
Speaker 3: arguing about like if he vaped on that shot or not.
Speaker 2: Here's the crazy.
Speaker 3: Part, dude, And I didn't notice this at first when
Speaker 3: I first listened to it.
Speaker 2: So wits it for one again?
Speaker 3: He proclaims Christ he comes off as a as an ahole.
Speaker 3: I mean, like the way he's calling people an r
Speaker 3: tart and then he's saying like that you he then
Speaker 3: he's trying to say, are you a Christian?
Speaker 2: Do you know what bearing false witness in the Bible?
Speaker 3: And it's like so he's trying to like use the
Speaker 3: Bible against somebody as he's at Hominem attacking him and
Speaker 3: saying things like that. That was that was, that was
Speaker 3: That's a bad look.
Speaker 1: That was. That's when he was debating flat Soloid about
Speaker 1: the thing. And and yeah he did, he did come off,
Speaker 1: but he did at least he apologized a little bit.
Speaker 3: Because but then, Josh, I know that some of these
Speaker 3: guys you're friends and stuff like that, but they're not
Speaker 3: my friends, so.
Speaker 2: I don't know them.
Speaker 3: So what I'm just saying is because I don't, I
Speaker 3: have as limited experience with them, I.
Speaker 1: Like to put myself in their shoes. I could see
Speaker 1: what I would.
Speaker 3: My point like that, But yeah, my point is is
Speaker 3: like that if you're representing Christ, then you're not doing
Speaker 3: You're not calling people those names.
Speaker 1: You're no longer a flat earth that when you're representing Christ, bro,
Speaker 1: you are a Christian first, no matter what.
Speaker 2: And you got it.
Speaker 1: You gotta know that everybody is listening to you, not
Speaker 1: just because of your flat earth, but but a lot
Speaker 1: of people are following you because you say you're a
Speaker 1: Christian and you need to represent christ.
Speaker 3: A lot of people have defended a lot of people
Speaker 3: have defended you because they're saying you're a Christian.
Speaker 2: And he would listen because, yeah, well, when's the last time.
Speaker 3: I was like, this must be the first time somebody
Speaker 3: said they were Christian and they maybe lied later, but
Speaker 3: you know, so he so here's the thing that obviously,
Speaker 3: just like I just was laughing almost how comical the
Speaker 3: things he was saying. Was that so that the red
Speaker 3: the smoking gun to me was the fact that he
Speaker 3: admitted that he vaped while he's down there.
Speaker 1: Well, and so the smoking gun is this. Jaren was
Speaker 1: on his show live. He was doing a New Year's
Speaker 1: special or no I'm sorry Christmas special, and somebody on
Speaker 1: his live had asked him, did anybody bring a vape
Speaker 1: out there? This is before Jaren even knew about the video.
Speaker 1: I think of of of of WIT's it, because it
Speaker 1: wasn't out yet all the way. So he said that, yeah,
Speaker 1: that that Whitson had a vape there, right, So he
Speaker 1: said that so obviously all those people are like got
Speaker 1: him that they didn't even tell Jared about vape gate
Speaker 1: or anything like that or whatever they call it. Vape
Speaker 1: what's it whatever they call it anyways, so they said
Speaker 1: that that that said did have a vape. So that
Speaker 1: right there, and everybody was like, all right, we're gonna
Speaker 1: take this and run with that.
Speaker 3: You know, well, you know, but yes, like so that
Speaker 3: the point being is so then he's so then his
Speaker 3: excuse for having a vape was that he's like literally
Speaker 3: breathing out contradictions as he talks.
Speaker 2: He's saying like that.
Speaker 3: He's like, yes, I did unexpectedly find a vape in
Speaker 3: my bag. I had it in some case with the chargers.
Speaker 3: He's like, I don't vape anymore. I used to vape,
Speaker 3: but while I was down there, I hit it a
Speaker 3: couple of times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but I did.
Speaker 3: And this is the thing I said I just caught recently.
Speaker 3: Was when he's saying, but I did not vape. Then
Speaker 3: walk over to the scene, I mean, to the screen
Speaker 3: and blow the vapape out. But he said scene do
Speaker 3: you know that? You know that he said scene that
Speaker 3: that that's a little bit weird. So I was just
Speaker 3: joking on my stream when I was When I got
Speaker 3: asked about this, I said, that sounds like the dog
Speaker 3: ate my homework. That sounds like something you'd hear from
Speaker 3: one of your kids.
Speaker 1: It was either he's trying to avoid one thing that
Speaker 1: you guys got to think about though. What if his
Speaker 1: wife gets mad about him vaping?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: That's what It seemed like he was lying to cover
Speaker 1: that up or something.
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, Well he was the point. The
Speaker 2: point is covering something up, bro, Yeah, the point is
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 3: I don't care about why he was lying, but I mean,
Speaker 3: all I know is that it seemed like he lied
Speaker 3: weird and and and the way he was kind of
Speaker 3: like he did seem like when these people were like
Speaker 3: somebody was making a point of saying like that when
Speaker 3: you get caught, deny deny, deny, deny, and that I
Speaker 3: really felt like I felt like he was trying to
Speaker 3: be careful about by saying, oh, you watched an edited thing,
Speaker 3: and he was like trying to say, like.
Speaker 1: I guess there was another video out which I haven't
Speaker 1: seen yet, or.
Speaker 2: Something where he was dusking. He was ducking down.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, but he did do so in
Speaker 1: the defense of what he did do a live with
Speaker 1: Owen Benjamin where you could see his breath the whole time.
Speaker 1: I guess he was drinking hot tea when he was
Speaker 1: doing that. And and you know what I would say
Speaker 1: is what's the conclusion to to the to the whole thing,
Speaker 1: like does it does it mean that these people were
Speaker 1: not in antarcticle because of that? What I would like,
Speaker 1: what I would say to everybody, bro and every single
Speaker 1: person and me and JT. We're not there is that
Speaker 1: little thing to dissect, and we're only dissecting it because
Speaker 1: that that is out right now. But we should wait
Speaker 1: till all the footage comes out, dissect that and then
Speaker 1: come to a conclusion. Well, people are doing is they're
Speaker 1: getting little snippets of stuff and they're jumping on it
Speaker 1: right away and they're freaking blowing it everywhere.
Speaker 3: Well, you know what I would say, what's good for
Speaker 3: the goose is good for the gander. If you're going
Speaker 3: to go out there and you're going to pick apart
Speaker 3: NASA stuff, prepare to have your stuff picked apart. Right,
Speaker 3: So it's kind of like that if you find if
Speaker 3: I find they're doing something hokey on the International Space Station.
Speaker 3: They should say, oh, well, you gotta wait to find
Speaker 3: everything out before you.
Speaker 2: Say right, right, you're right, so.
Speaker 3: You composition, you're in the position to pick up the useless.
Speaker 3: Yeah you can, you cannot. That's what I would like
Speaker 3: to ask him. If you saw somebody from NASA doing
Speaker 3: what you did, would you believe them? Should you believe them? Because,
Speaker 3: like I said, you could say, oh, you guys know me.
Speaker 3: It's like, bro, I don't know you. I don't know
Speaker 3: you at all. So I'm learning any of these people,
Speaker 3: I'm learning more about you now and based on this.
Speaker 3: And so that's what I was saying, like that that
Speaker 3: you know, trust is earned, you know, and but you know,
Speaker 3: it takes a lot harder. It takes a lot longer
Speaker 3: to build trust with somebody than it is to nuke it.
Speaker 3: And so what he did with what he was saying
Speaker 3: was like to say, because I just don't believe I
Speaker 3: don't believe what he said. I don't believe that you
Speaker 3: accidentally brought a bake baked Antarctica. Well, first of all,
Speaker 3: let's I mean it's like, well, like what I'm saying
Speaker 3: was like to think like that. You like you unexpectedly
Speaker 3: found it in your bag. You quit, but then you
Speaker 3: used it, so like to me, it's like, did you
Speaker 3: literally just like not even look when you're packing, you
Speaker 3: were just throwing up in a duffle back. You're going
Speaker 3: to Antarctica. First of all, it's your vape. You have
Speaker 3: a weight your bag. And then you so you brought
Speaker 3: a vape to Antarctica. You used it, you didn't, You
Speaker 3: have not quit.
Speaker 1: You can't pick up a vapro and just start using
Speaker 1: it anyway. You gotta plug it in. You gotta charge it,
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta fill it. Dude. It's a pain
Speaker 1: in the butt. I vaped before, dude, when I quit
Speaker 1: smoking cigarettes, like like years ago, I was vaping, and dude,
Speaker 1: it's it is a pain in the butt, dude, because.
Speaker 2: I remember an army.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, you can't just pick a vape
Speaker 1: up and start hitting it. First of all, you have
Speaker 1: to charge it. You got to fill it up. You
Speaker 1: got to make sure that the thing is not burnt.
Speaker 1: I can't remember what it's called. And and so you
Speaker 1: can't just pick up a vape and start hitting it, bro,
Speaker 1: you gotta plug it in. There's like, you got a
Speaker 1: preparation for this thing. You can't just take a vape
Speaker 1: out of your bag and start hitting because it's going
Speaker 1: to be dead. You gotta plug it in. So maybe
Speaker 1: he found the vape. If he did find it, we'll
Speaker 1: give him the benefit of the doubt. But you get
Speaker 1: you do good. You do gotta plug it in and
Speaker 1: you also have to have bape juice. And depending on
Speaker 1: what kind of vape it is you got.
Speaker 3: To put that, maybe maybe it was yeah, well I'm
Speaker 3: not even a speculat what it was, but yeah, but
Speaker 3: here's the here's the thing.
Speaker 2: Okay, So.
Speaker 3: As somebody who was trying to be objective about this,
Speaker 3: but again I'm skeptical because I was just saying, like,
Speaker 3: based on the title and based on what the result
Speaker 3: was when it when they came back, I was skeptical.
Speaker 3: So when I first put that out there, I said,
Speaker 3: this looks bad. I remember one point I kind of
Speaker 3: I kind of tweeted at him when somebody asked him
Speaker 3: about why did you go under that name the Final Experiment?
Speaker 3: It's like I fought against it, and of course I
Speaker 3: my comment to him was like, well, like it or not,
Speaker 3: you were used as propaganda.
Speaker 2: You like you.
Speaker 3: I know you're smart enough to realize that by now.
Speaker 3: So with that being said, you get caught doing that
Speaker 3: and you're and you're right. That does not mean everything
Speaker 3: else was fade. But what it does mean is now
Speaker 3: I cannot trust you. I don't. I do not trust
Speaker 3: you anymore, so like to whatever that is is lost.
Speaker 3: The only way he could have gained a little back
Speaker 3: in that exchange was saying, you know what, I gotta
Speaker 3: be honest. It does look bad that I had a
Speaker 3: vape down there, you know. Instead of like trying to
Speaker 3: put it against the other guy saying you're bearing false
Speaker 3: witness against me, it's saying, like, I understand why you
Speaker 3: guys would not believe me. I don't. I gotta be honest.
Speaker 3: I vape a little bit and I shouldn't. I told
Speaker 3: people like I told my wife I quit, but I
Speaker 3: brought one there and I used it a little bit.
Speaker 3: So I understand why you guys wouldn't believe me because
Speaker 3: you can see me walking around vaping. But what he
Speaker 3: says is that I would never vape on camera, And
Speaker 3: it's like the funny part is, but you did vape
Speaker 3: on camera.
Speaker 2: Everyone saw you do it now.
Speaker 3: So now you seem like a kid who's trying to
Speaker 3: say you didn't see what you thought you saw, because
Speaker 3: I can see it in his hand as he walks over,
Speaker 3: and you know, so whether that video was editor or not,
Speaker 3: you could see it.
Speaker 2: In his hand and he sets it down and then
Speaker 2: he doesn't.
Speaker 1: Run that video that you're talking about. I don't think
Speaker 1: that that was edited. The other one, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I never saw it.
Speaker 3: Like I said, it doesn't matter because it's like that's
Speaker 3: the unin added version where you could see him walking
Speaker 3: around from camera, Yeah, yeah, setting it, setting it down,
Speaker 3: and then it.
Speaker 1: Looks like he hit the vape, blew it out, hit
Speaker 1: the vape.
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's up?
Speaker 1: Turned the camera on, and he blew out. That's what
Speaker 1: it looked like. Now I can't say it because I
Speaker 1: I can't tell him between breaths how long it was.
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows if he maybe he did hit it,
Speaker 1: blew it out and then came on camera blew out
Speaker 1: and he still had some access.
Speaker 3: Well, it's like but the thing is, it is like
Speaker 3: he's like he's muddying the waters. When he's saying a
Speaker 3: little bit he's well he's poisoning the well by doing that,
Speaker 3: but he also is muddying the waters by saying like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: it's too dry to see your breath.
Speaker 2: It's it's this.
Speaker 3: It is like, you can't see your breath here, but
Speaker 3: even though you could see it here, even it's kind
Speaker 3: of like if if you're really down there, I don't
Speaker 3: got to defend if my breath comes out, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm not telling you. I know why my breath is
Speaker 3: showing or not showing it sometimes, but I'm telling you,
Speaker 3: maybe it's too bright, maybe it's this, maybe it's that.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure why you can't see it. But I'm
Speaker 3: down here, so I don't need to say. I don't
Speaker 3: need to try to. I don't need to prove to
Speaker 3: you guys. In one breath blowing out vapor and then
Speaker 3: one breath not blowing out vapor, it actually looks broke.
Speaker 1: I even I swear when I saw it live, I
Speaker 1: was like, what was that? That was the weirdest thing
Speaker 1: I felt that way, bro, And and I'm giving what's it?
Speaker 1: And Jared the benefit of the doubt. I'm not. I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not gonna sit here, bro and just be
Speaker 1: like this whole thing is fake and and it's a
Speaker 1: movie set. Like, bro, you can't yeah, you can't go
Speaker 1: from that to that, you know, you gotta see everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, no, I agree, I agree, but okay, so
Speaker 3: but I think things are starting to kind of compound.
Speaker 3: Now when I saw the shirtless picture. What do you
Speaker 3: think about the shirtless picture? Wait? What did you notice
Speaker 3: about the shirtless picture? I think there's a few things
Speaker 3: in there.
Speaker 1: Well, one thing that that, uh, that was pointed out
Speaker 1: so far is that the background is the same as
Speaker 1: the twenty sixteen phone. That's one thing that somebody said, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: the exactly the same.
Speaker 2: Well for one, I don't know, bro, Yeah, they're the mountains.
Speaker 3: They look way way closer to that mountain than the
Speaker 3: base camp appeared to be in the other picture. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but it does seem like that the snow covering on
Speaker 3: the mountain is exactly the same, Like you can see
Speaker 3: the exact same exposed rocks. Yeah, like to a to
Speaker 3: a grant to a snowflake, like where you can see
Speaker 3: the exposed rocks on that mountain look identical.
Speaker 2: Did you notice that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw the picture. I saw that man and
Speaker 1: one of my friends that I John Pounders. He actually
Speaker 1: put it on his site, and I was surprised he
Speaker 1: put it on his because he's not like a biblical
Speaker 1: cosmologist really and he put it on his and you know,
Speaker 1: and I was like, wow, so what.
Speaker 2: Did he so? What do he what was his conclusion?
Speaker 1: I think I took a picture of it, because man,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm following this like a tea and you know what, dude,
Speaker 1: I uh, okay, so he was he just made circles
Speaker 1: like I don't know if.
Speaker 3: You guys you guys, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, basically.
Speaker 1: Showing exactly what the background looked like in twenty sixteen
Speaker 1: and exactly the way that that that looks today or
Speaker 1: when they did it. I'm sorry, and uh, I don't
Speaker 1: remember what he said on the bottom. I can't see
Speaker 1: what he said on the bottom.
Speaker 3: Well, I would say that based on and here's why
Speaker 3: I'm I'm a little bit slow.
Speaker 2: I'll just a full disclosure. I will say that.
Speaker 3: If that twenty sixteen picture is not edited, if this
Speaker 3: looks really bad, I would I would say that I
Speaker 3: lean toward that being a fake background if if that
Speaker 3: because but it's very possible the twenty sixteen picture could
Speaker 3: have been altered to reflect what they saw there. Because
Speaker 3: that's why I wanted to try to show that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because if that because that could be true. Like I said, so,
Speaker 3: I'm going to give that caveat. But if but if
Speaker 3: that twenty sixteen picture is legit, that is a little
Speaker 3: bit strange, Like yeah, because I mean obviously you're like
Speaker 3: literally another.
Speaker 1: Thing that they pointed out. That's a little weird.
Speaker 3: What else, Okay, So that being said, like, yeah, that
Speaker 3: I believe that the snow would be slightly different. You
Speaker 3: might see different rocks. It's like you're talking about almost
Speaker 3: you know what, eight years later the rocks in snow
Speaker 3: are exactly the same.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's weird. Take.
Speaker 3: And I'm saying they are exactly the same exactly right?
Speaker 2: Would you? Would you agree with that?
Speaker 1: I would agree with it. If that thing is not
Speaker 1: edited at all, they are exactly the same. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: look exactly the same to me from what I'm looking at. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And is it likely that that the snow would be identical?
Speaker 1: No, not exactly the same though, No.
Speaker 3: It's it seems really unlikely. What else do you notice
Speaker 3: about the shirtless picture?
Speaker 1: Uh? Well, they're all ten I'm just kidding, maybe they're
Speaker 1: maybe there in Florida and not just kidding. I noticed,
Speaker 1: Uh what else do I know? Go ahead, you go ahead.
Speaker 1: Do you notice that Jared is not doesn't have a
Speaker 1: shirt off, He's got he's got his his.
Speaker 2: Like, what do you do you do you see any
Speaker 2: kind of a pattern?
Speaker 1: Oh? Right there the shirt off one one doesn't.
Speaker 2: Color, color of the shirts colored the shirts.
Speaker 1: You are better at at this kind of thing. Uh,
Speaker 1: obviously she's not gonna have ever shirt off. But yeah,
Speaker 1: black shirts.
Speaker 3: Right, black shirts, and you have white white men black
Speaker 3: and white.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like black and white Freemason thing right.
Speaker 3: It's it looks like like do you think it was
Speaker 3: an accidents they posed like that?
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I don't think it was an
Speaker 1: accident that they did. They did it exactly like that. No.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So so I've seen people and I think the
Speaker 3: flatter with Banjo, and I watched a little bit of
Speaker 3: his stuff, and like I said, I don't I'm not
Speaker 3: necessarily trying to promote his chain on trying to say
Speaker 3: that everything he's posting is accurate, But a lot of
Speaker 3: people have pointed out that wits it in his like
Speaker 3: I guess his header on YouTube.
Speaker 2: He's got to do.
Speaker 3: He's got the black and the white symbolism, and then
Speaker 3: you see this, what does that mean? That's not Christian?
Speaker 3: Duality is not Christian. The ying and yang is not
Speaker 3: Christian like that. That is some that's some freemasonry checkerboard stuff.
Speaker 3: So again, I'm not someone who believes in coincidences like
Speaker 3: I do. I do not like when certain people try
Speaker 3: to take screen grabs of people talking because I talk
Speaker 3: with my hands sometimes and if I ever made a thing,
Speaker 3: even I've made the hand symbols because I'm trying to
Speaker 3: show people what the hand symbols are. Yeah, I joked
Speaker 3: one time I did a video on TikTok when I
Speaker 3: was first on there, and I was doing a live
Speaker 3: stream and my brother took some screenshots and he cut
Speaker 3: together a video saying expose JT. He was joking, but
Speaker 3: it was funny. It was funny because yeah, because I've seen.
Speaker 2: People do that before.
Speaker 3: Now this is different. This is this. This is what
Speaker 3: I see in this picture reminds me of a photo
Speaker 3: shoot that somebody is doing the Vogue cover and then
Speaker 3: they're covering up one eye or you're seeing like a
Speaker 3: movie cover and you're seeing half of somebody's face or
Speaker 3: you're seeing them do the do the osiris risen pose?
Speaker 2: I'm not and I'm not doing them right now.
Speaker 3: Because I don't want people to to clip this right now.
Speaker 3: But you know what I'm saying, like like, so this
Speaker 3: is what So when you pose like that, like this
Speaker 3: is a big deal. You're in Antarctica, You're posing in
Speaker 3: front of this thing. Like so like, first of all,
Speaker 3: why are your shirts off? It ain't because you're ripped.
Speaker 3: Nobody got a good body with their shirt off over there.
Speaker 3: They kind of look it looks it looks really lamero.
Speaker 1: Why would you even do that?
Speaker 2: Why you got nobody's looking good with their shirt off
Speaker 2: over there? So why are your shirts off?
Speaker 3: Is it because you guys didn't have white shirts or
Speaker 3: where that have been too obvious?
Speaker 1: It was a ah man, it is listen. It was
Speaker 1: really strange. And also, man, it's eighteen degrees there, bro
Speaker 1: Okay it's not And and you know, why would you
Speaker 1: take your shirt off if you're worried about your hands
Speaker 1: getting cold? Why would you have your shirt off?
Speaker 2: You know, like, yeah, it's so cold it hurts to
Speaker 2: breathe in deeply. Yeah, but my shirt is off.
Speaker 3: Again, I thought, I think it's a little weird that
Speaker 3: you see some of these videos. It does not look
Speaker 3: like there's a breath of wind. Nobody's hair moves at all.
Speaker 3: You don't hear anything in the camp. You don't hear
Speaker 3: the mic picking up any any wind. And I'm just thinking,
Speaker 3: like the perfect.
Speaker 2: It does. It does seem like it was absolutely perfect.
Speaker 1: And they have storms before, and that had storms. Even
Speaker 1: storm came December seth they actually had to leave early
Speaker 1: because the storm was coming and it was gonna hit hard.
Speaker 3: What they couldn't even if a storm is coming, there
Speaker 3: would have been some winds in the interim right as
Speaker 3: as it came in. You know, I've been, I've loved
Speaker 3: snowboard and skiing and stuff, and I've been, I've been,
Speaker 3: I've done some in the springtime where yeah, you could
Speaker 3: you could have snowboard with your shirt off.
Speaker 1: You could go like this do with but you know
Speaker 1: what is Broca got snowboarding pants because you can you know,
Speaker 1: right yeah, right, well yeah, even on the warm even
Speaker 1: on the warmest days, you would still likely have gloves.
Speaker 3: Because you wouldn't want to have to touch because the
Speaker 3: snow is still cold. Yeah, it would still make your
Speaker 3: hands worse. But a lot of days that when we
Speaker 3: did that, it was like fifty degrees or sixty degrees
Speaker 3: and it was sunny and there was no way.
Speaker 1: They had a blown snow at night. They blow the
Speaker 1: snow at night, and then you snowboard and it's like
Speaker 1: fifty degrees. It's not Yeah, that's exactly what that's.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So so the point is, it ain't eighteen degrees. No
Speaker 3: eighteen degrees, whether it's sunny or not, it's going to
Speaker 3: be really cold.
Speaker 1: I've been in Tahoe when it was fourteen degrees before
Speaker 1: and it was freezing, bro. You know it was freezing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was cold bro.
Speaker 3: So yeah, so the point, the point being is like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Again, these are more contradictions where it's like it's so
Speaker 3: cold that you you're you it hurts your lungs when
Speaker 3: you breathe in, but you're not even wearing a hat,
Speaker 3: like you're not nobody's you're not covering your ears up,
Speaker 3: you're not wearing gloves. I mean, I could I could
Speaker 3: maybe see an explanation like you're manipulating an iPad or
Speaker 3: a phone or something, so you don't it doesn't work.
Speaker 1: Obviously, you don't want to have anything on your hands
Speaker 1: because you're you're gonna you know, you're typing your your checking.
Speaker 1: You wanted to be checking his phone. He wanted to
Speaker 1: be answering live. So there's a few things, man like,
Speaker 1: Like I said, man like, there's there's things that he
Speaker 1: was doing where it's it's it's it's obviously explainable.
Speaker 2: Well again, so this is so this is to me
Speaker 2: when I see you get.
Speaker 1: A breaking down codes, let me know, bro, what you
Speaker 1: what you thought about that picture? What? What is? What
Speaker 1: do you see besides that anything else?
Speaker 3: Well let me let me let me pull it up
Speaker 3: real quick just to examine it, because it's like you
Speaker 3: could I mean, I guess that's the thing. It's like
Speaker 3: when you when you do that with those guys, did it's.
Speaker 1: I could email it to you too if you don't
Speaker 1: have real quick.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's like withs it it's almost like, I mean,
Speaker 3: it could be possibly maybe it's reaching a little bit.
Speaker 3: I mean the guys are kind of like covering up
Speaker 3: their hands, you know, like the one guy's not. But
Speaker 3: it's like, what's it's covering up a hand?
Speaker 2: Is that a hidden hand? Thing?
Speaker 3: I mean, it's I don't want to reach too far,
Speaker 3: but I would say that to me, it's very obvious
Speaker 3: that they're showing you you see white black white black,
Speaker 3: white black white black.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Like, of course, then there's
Speaker 2: somebody wearing blue on the end. But like we've.
Speaker 3: Already established, well, obviously we've established quite a pattern here
Speaker 3: where it's like, yes, I think that because I'm not stupid,
Speaker 3: and of course I'm trying to be as wise as
Speaker 3: a serpent, as innocent as a dove.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna automatically say it, but I.
Speaker 3: Would say this is a reason on top of the
Speaker 3: other reason you've given me, on top of the other
Speaker 3: reason you give me that I do not trust you.
Speaker 3: And if and if that background neither of those pictures
Speaker 3: have been manipulated in those in those rock, the rock
Speaker 3: and snow covering on that is exactly the same, then
Speaker 3: now I do question if if any of it.
Speaker 2: Was real, because you wouldn't need to do that.
Speaker 3: I mean, because like I said, if you photoshopped the
Speaker 3: background in there, because that's what I would believe that
Speaker 3: if they if it's exactly the same and neither neither
Speaker 3: picture was manipulated, and that's not even getting to the shadows,
Speaker 3: because I'm not even I'm not one of these people
Speaker 3: I want, I don't want even want to talk about
Speaker 3: what shadows do versus certain light, because again, I'm not
Speaker 3: one of these people who do these experiments. What I'm
Speaker 3: trying to say is that you have deemed yourself untrustworthy
Speaker 3: on several counts. And the main reason I questioned the
Speaker 3: whole thing at the beginning was like, because I've seen
Speaker 3: certain debates from Witsit, and I think he seems very intelligent.
Speaker 3: He is very So if you are very intelligent, then
Speaker 3: you don't get deplete ignorance later when things when you
Speaker 3: get used like this, because I mean, I would say
Speaker 3: you calulate.
Speaker 1: Moves when you're debating. He's calculating moves. He is, he's
Speaker 1: he's very intelligent to get people like sucked into a
Speaker 1: certain way and then he like destroys them this way
Speaker 1: right right, calculates every movie does is calculated, you know.
Speaker 3: So so to me, it's like, I I do almost
Speaker 3: want I mean, I I think there's two ways that
Speaker 3: I wonder how these guys are going to react later.
Speaker 3: What sounds like Jaron is maybe he's already calculating where
Speaker 3: he's going to make his next grift is to go
Speaker 3: for yeah, to promote to promote the ball Earth but
Speaker 3: with it. If he does not do that, I would
Speaker 3: want I think what a genuine reaction for how things
Speaker 3: are being portrayed is that he's he was been used
Speaker 3: and then he was starting to get mad and he
Speaker 3: would start to see like I don't like the way
Speaker 3: things have been presented, and I do think it looks
Speaker 3: like just like an admission that this looks bad, like
Speaker 3: for it makes me look bad, it makes this whole
Speaker 3: experiment look bad on the way things are kind of
Speaker 3: coming out the way they are, instead of like being
Speaker 3: mad at the people who are exposing the things. I mean,
Speaker 3: I would be mad if somebody clipped part of me
Speaker 3: he added to me to make it look worse than
Speaker 3: it was. But there's already enough like legitimate things that
Speaker 3: people are pointing out to say. Yet I want to
Speaker 3: hear like, yeah, that does look bad, but or something,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like we're like you kind
Speaker 3: of like you know what I'm saying, Like we're at
Speaker 3: least a little humility in this where it's not like
Speaker 3: that I'm raging against the people who are Yeah, some
Speaker 3: people literally legitimately feel like they're defending the Bible by
Speaker 3: pointing out that you guys are liars. And maybe maybe
Speaker 3: you could ask Will Duffy, maybe what they're doing is
Speaker 3: okay because they've got their intention is to defend God's work,
Speaker 3: you know, like you've muddied the waters now, so maybe
Speaker 3: that's fair game, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And I and honestly I've looked
Speaker 1: at uh. I didn't buy it because he did put
Speaker 1: it up. But Jenen does have like a five hour
Speaker 1: body cam of him getting on the plane, of him
Speaker 1: of him getting on the plane, them doing uh, you know, putting,
Speaker 1: showing a compass, everything showing out the windows. So he
Speaker 1: does have like a he has like a whole entire
Speaker 1: thing out and I've seen clips of it, you know.
Speaker 3: So dude, we've also seen people walk on the moon, Josh, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I know, I know, I see video. Richard Nixon called
Speaker 3: those guys when they're on the moon, how can they
Speaker 3: affect how can they how can they affect that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know, So I would say at
Speaker 1: this point personally, I think they did go to Antarctica.
Speaker 1: I think that that Jared did did uh? You know,
Speaker 1: I think they did go. I'm not going to doubt
Speaker 1: that they went to Antarctica. I think they did go.
Speaker 1: And a lot of these people like King Nico and
Speaker 1: Flatterer with Banjo, I think that they they do believe
Speaker 1: they went to Antarctica. They're not going to deny that.
Speaker 1: So seeing the twenty four hour Sun, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I gotta see. I'm not gonna call Jared a liar
Speaker 1: or call whitsonal liar at this moment. I want to
Speaker 1: see all the footage. I want to have Jared on
Speaker 1: my show in two weeks and maybe talk to him.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say that they're lying, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say that that that any of these
Speaker 1: people are lying. All I'm gonna say is I think
Speaker 1: they didn't.
Speaker 3: You You won't go as far to say as that
Speaker 3: he lied about the babe.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm not going to say oh that part,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that part I told you that that's undecided
Speaker 1: At this moment.
Speaker 2: You just don't want to say.
Speaker 3: You could say like I just don't want to be
Speaker 3: you can say that you can't like what I said
Speaker 3: on my thing, and I'm this is what I stick by.
Speaker 3: I say, do I believe he lied? Yes, I believe it.
Speaker 3: Could I be wrong, Yes, I could be wrong, but
Speaker 3: I believe. But I believe I do not tru And
Speaker 3: that's what I was saying, like that, I feel confident
Speaker 3: in saying here's why I don't believe you in the
Speaker 3: same way that I'm not being a hypocrite because I said,
Speaker 3: if it was Mound Kid did that, I wouldn't believe
Speaker 3: mand Kid.
Speaker 1: It was the weirdest thing, bro the way the flatwood
Speaker 1: was weird saying that.
Speaker 2: But do you believe one of your employees? You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Would you believe?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: Who?
Speaker 1: Who?
Speaker 2: Would would you believe your spouse?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Like I'm say, like, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: When you hear somebody talking to you like that, what's
Speaker 3: your natural reaction is like, it's not because I'm trying
Speaker 3: to make a liar out of you.
Speaker 2: It's like because you sound like you lie to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think that that's like, that's that's just
Speaker 3: being just being fair and flatzoid.
Speaker 1: He's one of my friends too. I listened to this
Speaker 1: show all the time. He's so he was telling he
Speaker 1: wasn't lying to wits It when you he was. He
Speaker 1: wasn't lying either because he believes what he's saying, you know,
Speaker 1: so so for for wits It to say that you're
Speaker 1: lying right now or he's lying, like they shouldn't do that, bro.
Speaker 3: Well right, they're they're they're arguing about something that's like
Speaker 3: It's like I think that that's what probably because wits
Speaker 3: it is It is good at debating, so he kind
Speaker 3: of knows how.
Speaker 1: That's why he wanted to. He wanted him in that arena.
Speaker 1: He wanted it like basically he didn't want to, Like
Speaker 1: I didn't see him coming out on his show live.
Speaker 1: He hasn't been doing anything and that's how he makes
Speaker 1: his money. Bro.
Speaker 3: That's see if it was me, See if it was me,
Speaker 3: this is this is how I would do it. I
Speaker 3: would I would be like, Okay, I'm going to ask
Speaker 3: you some questions because here's what I saw, and I
Speaker 3: would do it like a reporter style. Well, I'm saying,
Speaker 3: do you understand why people don't believe you when you
Speaker 3: said you accidentally brought a vape to Antarctica?
Speaker 2: After seeing the video? Like you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 2: is it like would would you believe somebody?
Speaker 3: So if you if you were saying the things you said,
Speaker 3: and then if you did that, and I could say,
Speaker 3: and also as a Christian, do you think you should
Speaker 3: be calling people names as you're as you're quoting the
Speaker 3: Old Testament saying that they're they're sinning?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3: Like it isn't that kind of almost like saying like
Speaker 3: when when Jesus says, do you not call your brother
Speaker 3: a fool?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: So what is that not equal to call somebody a fool?
Speaker 3: So look what about when Jesus says this? Does that
Speaker 3: bother you that you could be talking like this? And
Speaker 3: then you're supposed to be representing this And again you're
Speaker 3: actually supposed to be representing not only you know, science,
Speaker 3: but Christ because you were going down there doing this thing.
Speaker 3: So like you would understand that if your audience, who
Speaker 3: likes you, enjoys watching you pick apart NASA, do you
Speaker 3: not consider that you would be picked up are equally?
Speaker 3: And also you'd have to give these people the benefit
Speaker 3: of the doubt because they feel like you're trying to
Speaker 3: undermine what they believe in what you said, you believe that's.
Speaker 1: Why you gotta be careful, bro, you can't. There's certain
Speaker 1: ways that like maybe he didn't. I just I don't
Speaker 1: think that he thought that people would just not believe
Speaker 1: him because he's been representing the debate's style.
Speaker 2: Well that and I think, but I think that immediate
Speaker 2: people didn't believe.
Speaker 3: Well, that's what I'm saying, Like, because dude, I have Dude,
Speaker 3: this is the game man, It's like, this is what
Speaker 3: this is what we've chosen to do.
Speaker 2: I put myself out there.
Speaker 3: You put yourself out there and people will start to
Speaker 3: question you, and rightfully so, because like why I always say,
Speaker 3: don't trust me.
Speaker 2: I tell people to not trust me.
Speaker 3: I tell people research to check behind the things I
Speaker 3: say because I could be an idol to somebody at
Speaker 3: some point, and like I don't want to be responsible
Speaker 3: for everything that they believe or they think. So so
Speaker 3: that being said, I like I just said, if if
Speaker 3: I got on Joe Rogan, lots of people would say, hmmm,
Speaker 3: how did he go?
Speaker 1: Immediately?
Speaker 2: How did he how did he get on that show?
Speaker 2: And fully have they would right.
Speaker 1: Does JT have one hundred thousand followers on Instagram? And
Speaker 1: how does he get on Joe Rogan that's exactly right.
Speaker 3: So then you would say, so then all a sudden
Speaker 3: they'd be like j T sounded a little different when
Speaker 3: he was on the show too. He didn't talk like
Speaker 3: he normally does. He like he said he's And then
Speaker 3: they would start to pick apart things that I said
Speaker 3: and inconsistencies and things I said, and they would be
Speaker 3: like they got to him, They got to him. He's
Speaker 3: getting paid, and you know what the point is is
Speaker 3: like that, and I would say it's fair game. I
Speaker 3: would say it's fair game to be questioned, like if
Speaker 3: I didn't come in there and I didn't speak with integrity,
Speaker 3: if I changed anything that I did, so knowing that,
Speaker 3: knowing that's the these these decisions you make in your
Speaker 3: life to put yourself out there for being a truther, Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's that's part.
Speaker 2: That's part and parcel of it.
Speaker 3: So you're held accountable at a higher level than than
Speaker 3: Joe Schmoe.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, and you're representing Yeah, and and I agree,
Speaker 1: I totally agree, man, And he did. He did say
Speaker 1: I understand you guys questioning it, and he said he's
Speaker 1: not against that obviously, but if you put yourself in
Speaker 1: their shoes, okay, let's say you're you're Jared, You're with's it,
Speaker 1: you're Elizabeth, uh, and you went out there one and
Speaker 1: you did go through the whole entire experience. You did,
Speaker 1: you know, lack of sleep, everything you went through. I've
Speaker 1: been in the military before, bro, and it's literally it's
Speaker 1: hurry up and wait, hurry up and wait, move, hurry
Speaker 1: up and wait, move, pack up, move, hurry up, wait move.
Speaker 1: I put myself in their shoes. That's what I try
Speaker 1: to do for anybody. And I'm just gonna say, at
Speaker 1: this moment, like I I do believe that they went there,
Speaker 1: And at this moment, I do believe that part. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna obviously want to wait for everything to come
Speaker 1: out before I make my decision, my final decision on everything. Obviously,
Speaker 1: I want to see all the footage, decision, the final
Speaker 1: decision on when did I believe the whole thing? Dude.
Speaker 1: That's that's all. But at this moment, like like you said,
Speaker 1: he kept in contact with me. I think Jared, obviously
Speaker 1: people think that he is a shield at this moment,
Speaker 1: and he is totally compromising and and and I want
Speaker 1: to invite him on my show, bro to talk to him,
Speaker 1: But I want to attract people to the faith, bro,
Speaker 1: Like like Jaren, Yeah, he's not a Christian at this moment.
Speaker 1: I want to attract him to the faith. I don't
Speaker 1: want to detract anybody, bro. My My number one goal
Speaker 1: is to get people to believe in you know, the
Speaker 1: God and and to attract them to Jesus and get
Speaker 1: them saved. That's my goal. My number one goal is
Speaker 1: to prove that the moonlighting is fake, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. But I enjoy talking about it, but I
Speaker 1: want to I want to make sure I do that,
Speaker 1: so so I want to. So the only way for
Speaker 1: me to be able to leverage that and try to
Speaker 1: get Jared, you know, to believe and try to lead
Speaker 1: him to Christ is that invite him on the show,
Speaker 1: not blasphemy him or or anything like that, and find
Speaker 1: out exactly what he went through, the experience he went through. Uh,
Speaker 1: he could probably go through, you know, from day one,
Speaker 1: exactly what happened. And I just want to find out
Speaker 1: what how it was and the experience. But I want
Speaker 1: to wait for everything to drop before I make any
Speaker 1: kind of decision, because people are the gun. Bro.
Speaker 3: Yeah, A couple of things though, go ahead, what do
Speaker 3: you think about the way that the sun seemed to
Speaker 3: warp when it was doing that, when it was going around?
Speaker 2: Did you notice that I did that?
Speaker 1: I did it stretched, it stretched, it squeezed, and it
Speaker 1: I at this moment all we have right now, this
Speaker 1: is what I think should have happened. Bro. One Here's
Speaker 1: something I forgot to mention. They did have a live
Speaker 1: stream of the sun on Candice Owen's Rumble and they
Speaker 1: were live streaming the twenty four hour Sun. Bro. If
Speaker 1: they would have live streamed the twenty four hour Sun,
Speaker 1: there would be everybody would have been not even questioning it.
Speaker 2: But what happened?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, oh yea yeah, yeah, they would have
Speaker 1: questioned it still, but they wouldn't have questioned it as much,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyways, you're right, they're still a question that the live
Speaker 1: stream cut off after like an hour and forty four
Speaker 1: minutes and they erase the video off of off of brumble.
Speaker 1: Now there's people, bro, that were literally watching that video
Speaker 1: when that happened, and they were like, what the heck?
Speaker 1: And these are conspiracy theorists, mind you? All right?
Speaker 2: So yeah, so.
Speaker 1: Probably sold Dave shout out to him. He was one
Speaker 1: of them that was watching it, and he was literally
Speaker 1: he said he put it, he put it, put it
Speaker 1: on record, and he and he took off, he went
Speaker 1: to sleep, came back and it was gone, and he
Speaker 1: was like, whoa. So that is a red flag for
Speaker 1: these people, bro, there's there's red flags that happened, Bro,
Speaker 1: that made it, that made it.
Speaker 2: So here here's another one. And I could be wrong.
Speaker 3: I've heard this, and you would probably be the person
Speaker 3: asked what other experiments did the flat earthers do while
Speaker 3: they were down there?
Speaker 1: Okay, so at this moment, I don't know everything that
Speaker 1: they did. They haven't they had.
Speaker 2: That I've heard.
Speaker 3: I've heard people say they didn't do any.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know what people are saying that, But
Speaker 1: I haven't heard that from jar and I haven't heard
Speaker 1: that from wits it themselves.
Speaker 3: What what would you What would you say if you
Speaker 3: found out they didn't do any other experiments when they
Speaker 3: were down there?
Speaker 1: I would say that I don't want to judge them, bro,
Speaker 1: because I don't. Okay, I've been in in the military.
Speaker 3: I feel like you're trying to to be overly nice.
Speaker 3: I know that, like I'm not, and I'm not trying
Speaker 3: to push you too hard. But I'm trying to say
Speaker 3: is that if they don't get any experiment, you like,
Speaker 3: you know that you know these guys and I and
Speaker 3: I said, I respect the fact I don't know these guys.
Speaker 1: I don't know them like that either though.
Speaker 3: That's why I'm trying to say that if you like,
Speaker 3: even if there's people that I know who did that,
Speaker 3: I would be like.
Speaker 2: Okay, So.
Speaker 3: If I'm going on somebody else's dime, and let's just
Speaker 3: say they have this agenda to to to throw this
Speaker 3: final experiment in the face of all flat earthers, well
Speaker 3: then I'm going to have a CounterPunch.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna either I'm gonna have two things.
Speaker 3: I'm going to have a potential argument that still fits
Speaker 3: the fits a flat Earth model. Right, I'm already gonna
Speaker 3: have that because obviously have tons of time to get down.
Speaker 1: In the chamber.
Speaker 3: I've got I've got what you're thinking, Like they've decided
Speaker 3: to go in this thing is like how long have
Speaker 3: you had to think about it? Obviously they know about
Speaker 3: like Joe Hanby's model. It seems to show like with
Speaker 3: the dome reflection that kind of a thing. Other you know,
Speaker 3: there's other obviously alternative explanations, but that I'm going to
Speaker 3: have that in my back pocket because I'm just saying
Speaker 3: I'm skeptical.
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm going to see.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but if I see this, I'm going to say,
Speaker 3: here's a potential idea. And I might even float that
Speaker 3: idea first.
Speaker 2: But then what I'm going to do is I'm going.
Speaker 3: To have other experiments while I'm down there, because I'm
Speaker 3: going to say, well, I didn't agree that it was
Speaker 3: a final experiment.
Speaker 2: And here's why, because actually.
Speaker 3: I did this experiment, and I did this experiment, and
Speaker 3: actually this does seem to conclude. Like again, people say
Speaker 3: they could use distance things, and they could say that
Speaker 3: because obviously, because it's a flat plane, you could see
Speaker 3: really far right like you could you could do different
Speaker 3: kinds of experiments that way you would come back and
Speaker 3: you wouldn't come back like you And.
Speaker 1: I think that some bullets in the chamber right.
Speaker 2: Well, that's see.
Speaker 3: I think that is the problem is that why did
Speaker 3: I was kind of skeptical from about the whole thing
Speaker 3: at the very beginning was that they were saying not
Speaker 3: saying a whole lot. And then I saw the videos
Speaker 3: of them saying like I'm tired and I'm ready to
Speaker 3: come home, almost like their Forrest Gump who just went
Speaker 3: on that journey and he just was running other I'm tired,
Speaker 3: and everybody's following him, and then they just he just
Speaker 3: leaves them out in the middle of the desert. Like
Speaker 3: that's kind of what these guys did to flat earthers, right.
Speaker 3: So to me, it's like if you don't like, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, like the fact that it's like
Speaker 3: they just sounded defeated and then they were ready to
Speaker 3: go home, and it's like to me, it's like maybe
Speaker 3: that was always the intent, is like that that's what
Speaker 3: they wanted to project. Not saying that those guys specific specifically,
Speaker 3: but the people who labeled the Final Experiment did that.
Speaker 3: They made him look stupid. They made the flatters look stupid,
Speaker 3: right when they go down there and they see it.
Speaker 1: Bro and mctune. Did you know about mctune? Bro? He
Speaker 1: called Nathan Oakley road. He was like yelling at him, saying,
Speaker 1: I'm in Antarctica, you idiot. And he's a Christian mind
Speaker 1: you mc tune supposedly, right, Christian. I'm not saying as
Speaker 1: there is and I don't know what his relationship is
Speaker 1: with God. But he calls Nathan Oakley, which is like
Speaker 1: a big debater in the Flattered community, and he goes,
Speaker 1: I'm in Antarctica. Where's the guns, you idiot? You're such
Speaker 1: a lie And then Nathan Oakley was like, like in
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, Nathan Oakley said something like if you try
Speaker 1: to go to Antarctica, they'll they'll stop you with guns
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So mc tune calls him, it's
Speaker 1: like a hit piece I think they're gonna do on
Speaker 1: the documentary, calls Nathan Oakley live on his show, gets
Speaker 1: into his discord basically and says, you know, you're such
Speaker 1: a liar to your community. You're a liar.
Speaker 2: You're a liar, yelling.
Speaker 1: At the guy bro and Nathan Oakley's like, man, I
Speaker 1: feel great knowing that I'm rent free in your head,
Speaker 1: you know. Or you're gonna call me from Antarctica and
Speaker 1: tell me this right now.
Speaker 3: So I thought it was so that's what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: So like, so let me just ask let me just
Speaker 3: ask you a question just to follow up what I
Speaker 3: was saying. Go ahead, you think that that's more reason
Speaker 3: to question them? If they did zero experiments while they
Speaker 3: were down there.
Speaker 1: If they did zero, yes, I think it is. If
Speaker 1: they didn't, if they didn't have anything planned, like I
Speaker 1: think maybe if they threw in the towel and they're
Speaker 1: just like, hey, the twenty four hour sons here, we're done.
Speaker 1: But I haven't heard because from what experiments they did.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen any of their footage. They might have
Speaker 1: done things that we don't know about, and I don't
Speaker 1: want to say it until I find out because I
Speaker 1: don't know what they did. I have no idea.
Speaker 3: Well, because you know that observing the sun is not
Speaker 3: an experiment at all, anyone observation, it's not even an experiment.
Speaker 3: So it's like, so the final experiment was actually no
Speaker 3: experiments at all, but that's not an experiment.
Speaker 1: The globers were doing experiments there though, and they did
Speaker 1: experiments and there were okay, so now okay, so we're
Speaker 1: gonna hear about them.
Speaker 3: So that's what I'm saying, bro like that, if the
Speaker 3: globers were doing experiments and then the flat earthers did nothing.
Speaker 1: Which I don't know yet.
Speaker 3: I don't know yet, well, I mean, well, I'm saying
Speaker 3: if yeah, well we'll still wait here. But I would
Speaker 3: say that if they had anything that was probably good,
Speaker 3: they we probably would have heard about it by now.
Speaker 3: I think maybe you'd think to like try to like
Speaker 3: sway the angry mob that's coming after these guys. You
Speaker 3: think that maybe they would have done something. But if
Speaker 3: they didn't, is wouldn't you say that that's more Ammo?
Speaker 3: That this is what a lot of people are saying this.
Speaker 3: This is propaganda. Yeah, this was a one This was
Speaker 3: a one sided thing. And I think at some point
Speaker 3: something somebody needs to ask is have you have you
Speaker 3: have you bought any expensive automobile s lately Austin.
Speaker 1: In their defense, in their defense, they were limited to
Speaker 1: fifty pounds, right, so that that that happened, and then
Speaker 1: when they got there, this is just what they this
Speaker 1: is coming from them, Okay, when they got there, they said, oh,
Speaker 1: you were allowed to have fifty pounds per bad. So
Speaker 1: there was some things there that that was a little shady.
Speaker 1: I know, JT. I know, we're good fierce concern.
Speaker 2: I mean they're.
Speaker 1: I know, and stay out things. Yeah, I'm just pointing
Speaker 1: out things. So I don't know what they.
Speaker 3: Do when you're limited to this, when you're limited to
Speaker 3: this certain thing in the in your in your bag.
Speaker 3: Do you think you'd accidentally take a vape?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No. And me, dude, when I sit back from
Speaker 1: the military, I'm gonna let you guys know something, man,
Speaker 1: and this this inspecific because if you look at if
Speaker 1: you actually researched this this trip, you have certain items
Speaker 1: you have to bring or you cannot go on this trip.
Speaker 1: So you do have to be very thorough on what
Speaker 1: you bring and what you don't bring. And you have
Speaker 1: to look through your bag and have every single thing
Speaker 1: because if it does go sour and let's say that
Speaker 1: the weather gets insane and Antarctica, they want to make
Speaker 1: sure that you have everything ready to go. You have
Speaker 1: to rent jackets or buy them. There's a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of stuff to it. You do have to be thorough
Speaker 1: on what you bring. So the bait thing, that's why
Speaker 1: I said, I'm decided.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I think.
Speaker 1: I think that it is weird. But I just wouldn't go.
Speaker 2: And that's why I would say that.
Speaker 3: To me, it just boils down to a man's integrity
Speaker 3: because if I don't trust him here, if you would
Speaker 3: lie about something small, would you lie about something big.
Speaker 2: Yeah you yeah, I think that you would. I think that.
Speaker 3: I mean, it just shows that you you you can't
Speaker 3: be trusted. It doesn't mean that you're lying. I mean,
Speaker 3: the best a you ever heard the story of the
Speaker 3: Boy who Cried Wolf. He told the truth at the end,
Speaker 3: but nobody believed him. Yeah, you know, so like there
Speaker 3: was a wolf at the end of that story. But
Speaker 3: that's the thing, like eventually no one believed him, and
Speaker 3: that's obviously the moral of that story is you shouldn't
Speaker 3: lie because then people won't trust you later. So yeah,
Speaker 3: and if you're thinking about it, if you're packing for
Speaker 3: a trip, yeah, you know, I remember going to like
Speaker 3: you know, I've done a lot more traveling lately, especially
Speaker 3: doing stuff with video related stuff.
Speaker 2: And of course, yeah, so.
Speaker 3: I'm bringing my camera, I'm bringing my laptop, I'm bringing
Speaker 3: different things, and I'm checking to make sure I got
Speaker 3: everything I need, you know, making sure you got all
Speaker 3: your chords and stuff like that, because I've done that
Speaker 3: where you're like you forgot according You're like, dang, I
Speaker 3: can't even use this thing. So so the idea that
Speaker 3: you would do that and you wouldn't gone through all
Speaker 3: your stuff, is it like I said, it's really unlikely,
Speaker 3: especially because it's like I could go to Las Vegas
Speaker 3: and if I forgot something, I could go buy it
Speaker 3: really easily.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: There, you know, you could go you could replace anything,
Speaker 2: anything you needed. You could just go get that you forgot.
Speaker 1: Especially charters. Bro, you're gonna go through your charge.
Speaker 2: But I don't know, I don't know what. I don't
Speaker 2: know what antarctica is.
Speaker 3: Like I would probably say, I need to make sure
Speaker 3: I got all this stuff from my equipment. I need
Speaker 3: to do all the things, and I need to use
Speaker 3: this this time wisely because I'm gonna be I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna just be used, you know, like I'm gonna use
Speaker 3: this opportunity to go on somebody else's dime. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: do my own videos. I'm gonna do all kinds of
Speaker 3: stuff for my own content. I'm gonna do experiments. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna you know what I'm saying, Like you would maximize
Speaker 3: your time while.
Speaker 2: You're down there.
Speaker 3: Probably you've got because you've got nothing but time when
Speaker 3: you're sitting on some ice cube, right yeah, right, So
Speaker 3: you would do that. And then so the fact that
Speaker 3: if they didn't do Dave.
Speaker 1: McGegan stayed up, Bro. They said he stayed up for
Speaker 1: forty eight hours, is what they said. Dave Keegan is
Speaker 1: the glober. He is the camera specialist. He's the one
Speaker 1: that filmed the twenty four hour sun, supposedly did the
Speaker 1: time lapse. He has a three sixty camera. Anytime anybody
Speaker 1: had any questions about the camera, they would go to
Speaker 1: Dave mcgagan. Supposedly he was, you know, even though he
Speaker 1: goes against flat earthers, he was supposedly pretty nice guy
Speaker 1: on the trip. But he he stayed up, they said,
Speaker 1: for like he was in it, Bro, he was like
Speaker 1: filming the thing. He stayed up for supposedly forty eight hours,
Speaker 1: which is a lot long time to stay up. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what, Yeah, that would be harder to do.
Speaker 1: But I don't know what experiments the globers did yet,
Speaker 1: but I know that they did some experiments down there
Speaker 1: to try to prove the globe. Now, I don't know
Speaker 1: what Jared and Austin did because they haven't put out
Speaker 1: their stuff yet. It's behind a paywall and I'm not
Speaker 1: going to pay for that. Yeah, okay, because I'm a
Speaker 1: content content creator, as well, and I don't make a
Speaker 1: lot of money off of this drug. And if I'm
Speaker 1: gonna put money into something, I'm going to uh try
Speaker 1: to pull it into the podcast, my own podcast, not I.
Speaker 3: Would encourage people to be very skeptical of like giving
Speaker 3: those guys money after what just which just took place,
Speaker 3: because like I said.
Speaker 2: They're.
Speaker 1: Their living just letting you guys know, well.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, but this so I guess to the point
Speaker 3: is like now that like, you know, I think that
Speaker 3: what we do is we maybe like when my friends
Speaker 3: have a book, I tell people to buy the book
Speaker 3: if you want to store people in that kind of way,
Speaker 3: and like, yeah, like I said, we do a movie,
Speaker 3: I want to give you something, and yeah, like I
Speaker 3: have like obviously, you know, full disclosure, I have a
Speaker 3: subscriber's side and I have a member's only side, and
Speaker 3: and I try to give people, but I mean, these
Speaker 3: are people who just want to support me anyways.
Speaker 2: That being said, like do you believe in what they're doing?
Speaker 3: You know, so like obviously that's if you believe in
Speaker 3: what somebody is doing, then you it's cool to subscribe
Speaker 3: and to support somebody. But at this point, I think
Speaker 3: people maybe be skeptical of like believing what they're doing.
Speaker 3: And so if you pay to see their Patreon, well,
Speaker 3: I mean, don't be surprised if you're disappointed in what
Speaker 3: you see behind that paywall now, because it's like, if
Speaker 3: they had anything really good, they could put it on
Speaker 3: YouTube right now and go viral, and they could well.
Speaker 1: The way the way he put it behind his pay wall,
Speaker 1: I guess he had people that that donated for him
Speaker 1: to get a camera. So what he said is that
Speaker 1: he's gonna give that to them first, you know, and
Speaker 1: then they're seeing it, and then then he puts it
Speaker 1: on his paywall, and then after that he's gonna have
Speaker 1: it released so we'll be able to see it. And
Speaker 1: and Jared, I do respect him, bro, because he had
Speaker 1: a ten hour live yesterday literally where people were calling
Speaker 1: in and he gives them four minutes to be able
Speaker 1: to ask him questions and he was answering the questions.
Speaker 1: And now he is very I'm not trying to tell
Speaker 1: my Christian people to go watch that because he's obviously
Speaker 1: he's not Christian, so he's gonna he's he talks to
Speaker 1: the people, uh, in a way that I wouldn't agree
Speaker 1: with you know, but I'm just telling you, like he did,
Speaker 1: he's transparent, he is having the show. They waited a
Speaker 1: while Bro to come out with anything, and they are
Speaker 1: making their living office. So that was kind of surprising
Speaker 1: to me because I would think that you would put Dude,
Speaker 1: if you're an Antarctica and you and you are making
Speaker 1: a living off this, you wanted to live stream everything, Bro,
Speaker 1: I would be live streaming me.
Speaker 3: I think that was again again that that added to
Speaker 3: my my skepticism was that how quiet they had been
Speaker 3: like during like coming after when they came back, when
Speaker 3: they came very very very quiet, which it almost it
Speaker 3: almost makes me think are they trying to get their
Speaker 3: story straight? Because like, why wouldn't you just come right
Speaker 3: out and just just speak candidly about some of stuff.
Speaker 2: What do you think about? I guess one of the
Speaker 2: things that I'm sure.
Speaker 3: People are going to ask about before we get off
Speaker 3: here is the green screen snaffo with like like the
Speaker 3: guy's jacket showing like the TFE thing.
Speaker 1: I like that. I think he may have done that
Speaker 1: on purpose to see how who's paying attention, because he
Speaker 1: immediately came out with the vig you know, after that,
Speaker 1: saying that and dude, think about it, He's in that article.
Speaker 1: So I was even hearing this stuff. He immediately came
Speaker 1: out with the video after that and said, Hey, this
Speaker 1: is what happened. This is the green this is I'm
Speaker 1: hearing this conspiracy theory from flatzoid and from this person,
Speaker 1: and uh and this is obviously this is what happened.
Speaker 1: So he immediately had an answer right away. So that
Speaker 1: was a little strange. And then Dave Weiss is immediately.
Speaker 3: Dave Weiss seems really like he is trying to defend
Speaker 3: them so hard.
Speaker 1: It's like a damage control for everything that's coming out.
Speaker 3: At first, I actually kind of like kind of respected
Speaker 3: the green because I know I saw immediately Dave Weiss
Speaker 3: did the green screen thing and he said, look, guys,
Speaker 3: and I was like, okay, that's that's cool. I mean
Speaker 3: because I was to make us look stupid because I
Speaker 3: don't know, but I would. I guess the thing is
Speaker 3: like because I filmed stuff like I don't record, like
Speaker 3: I'm in my podcast studio when like you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Like I feel like that you would have
Speaker 3: recorded a different way. So like the idea that there's
Speaker 3: any kind of green scare technology, like you have to
Speaker 3: play this, you have to record through a different program
Speaker 3: in order to put a green screen on there.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know. This is not a green screen.
Speaker 1: This is just a zoom. What's it called zoom?
Speaker 3: But yeah, But the point being is like that if
Speaker 3: I was on location with something like that, I think
Speaker 3: you would.
Speaker 2: It seems weird to me. Again, like as somebody who
Speaker 2: records have done it.
Speaker 1: Okay, think about this, JT. He's a very smart guy.
Speaker 1: Bro Will Duffy is very calculated and he is very smart. Dude,
Speaker 1: he is, dude, he is very intelligent and smart. Even
Speaker 1: when he goes into debates, he has he can he
Speaker 1: can suck you in and he does eat. So I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna say he's very smart. So he could have
Speaker 1: done that on purpose to find out how much we're
Speaker 1: paying attention. Does that make I think?
Speaker 3: I think people already know, But I mean, I guess
Speaker 3: the point is like that, again, this is just another thing.
Speaker 3: It's like it's it's a reason too. What about when
Speaker 3: there's a green screen in in the International Space Station?
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, people, because everybody does.
Speaker 3: Does everyone say, oh, well, they just had the wrong
Speaker 3: program recording, so there was really actually there. But you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, like, so like when you do
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: So did you see the drone footage that he did.
Speaker 1: He basically said, I'm not on a green screen, look
Speaker 1: and and he takes his drone and he puts it
Speaker 1: forward and then he puts it back and and what
Speaker 1: happened was when he put it back and went back,
Speaker 1: and it was like that means that when it's gonna
Speaker 1: hit something and makes that noise. So there's another video
Speaker 1: out saying that that drone was gonna hit the screen
Speaker 1: that they had back to that's why I made the noise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Eric was getting deeper, bro.
Speaker 1: Eric.
Speaker 3: Eric Dubay had a really interesting video when he was
Speaker 3: showing how they have these these Amazton Amazon's three sixty studios,
Speaker 3: and I was like, uh, jang, that is really you know,
Speaker 3: because I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: They had that kind of technology.
Speaker 3: So when I saw that, I'm like, I'm not saying
Speaker 3: like they did, that's what they were in, but I
Speaker 3: was saying like that, I didn't realize how realistic somebody
Speaker 3: could make a fake, you know, environment.
Speaker 2: And so I saw that you go there and it looks.
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, yeah, so I guess the point is
Speaker 3: I guess the point is like that, well, yeah, I
Speaker 3: guess that's when it comes down to. It is that
Speaker 3: that when you have shown that you cannot be trustworthy,
Speaker 3: and then you could, like you said, you have the
Speaker 3: things where like the live streams cut out, Austin Witze
Speaker 3: cuts off his camera, weird things with the green screen,
Speaker 3: these guys posing in some kind of masonic formation, the
Speaker 3: mountains in the background, you know, all those things adding together,
Speaker 3: and it's like I just have a And then again
Speaker 3: the whole emphasis on this being the final experiment, and
Speaker 3: then obviously seeing how it was practically used against somebody
Speaker 3: like me who's not even claiming to be I'm not
Speaker 3: flat earth JT. You know, so like, don't come at
Speaker 3: me with that nonsense. Like I said, I'm not. I
Speaker 3: didn't say there wasn't a twenty four hour son. I'm
Speaker 3: still I'm still saying there might be one. I'm not
Speaker 3: but now I'm saying but now unfortunately, but now unfortunately,
Speaker 3: I'm I can't say I know for sure because I'm
Speaker 3: not sure if I can trust anything I saw like
Speaker 3: this is in the same level of yeah, like that,
Speaker 3: if I'm if I don't trust the NASA people because
Speaker 3: they do Masonic things and then they have green screens
Speaker 3: and they they fake certain aspects of the zero gravity stuff. Well,
Speaker 3: then why would I believe these guys because some other
Speaker 3: person I know likes their content?
Speaker 2: No, like, yeah that you know that, That's not going
Speaker 2: to work for me.
Speaker 3: So now I'm just saying, like that what I've seen
Speaker 3: here and I'd like to see I want to see
Speaker 3: more stuff because I'm not going to go out there
Speaker 3: and say it was all faked. Yeah, but I would
Speaker 3: say that based on Eric Dubay's videos showing how it
Speaker 3: could be faked and then showing like that picture that
Speaker 3: did seem like those mountains could have been a screen
Speaker 3: because it looked exactly like this this previous picture of
Speaker 3: Antarctica that same area, and.
Speaker 1: They looked way I was sixteen guys, if you guys.
Speaker 3: But you know, it's also an interesting because he was saying,
Speaker 3: because he was kind of showing like that, if you
Speaker 3: chroma keyed the background out of thing, like where you
Speaker 3: would get the edge and it's almost like if you
Speaker 3: if you put him out in the background, it would
Speaker 3: look closer.
Speaker 1: They were constantly saying on their lives too. They like,
Speaker 1: I heard Jared and I heard What's It say this
Speaker 1: like a bunch of times, like you guys do not
Speaker 1: want to come out here. This is terrible. You'd never
Speaker 1: want to try to come out here. They said it
Speaker 1: a lot, you know, so that's something, you know what
Speaker 1: you know? And Dave Weiss came on a lot of
Speaker 1: different shows and I and I'm not saying that. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying anything about Jaren or What's It or these
Speaker 1: are just little things that you notice as you go.
Speaker 1: Dave Weiss has been on a bunch of different shows
Speaker 1: doing damage control for withs It and and and Jared
Speaker 1: because that that is his friends. And I understand, and
Speaker 1: I would do the same, man, I would. I would
Speaker 1: go and fight for my friends. And if I don't
Speaker 1: know these people like friends, you know, and JT JT.
Speaker 1: I've been on shows with him, but we don't know
Speaker 1: each other like on a on a basis either, like
Speaker 1: and Jared, I don't know him either like that. I
Speaker 1: just know him from shows and.
Speaker 3: I don't Yeah, and I just you know, you know,
Speaker 3: you know what, I you know what else? They said
Speaker 3: it before we before we got I know, we gotta
Speaker 3: run but you know what else they said, It was like,
Speaker 3: it seems a little suspicious. These mountains look way closer.
Speaker 2: If you got kept.
Speaker 1: Saying that, why you Some of them said that they're
Speaker 1: ten miles away. One of them said they're two miles away.
Speaker 1: These things look so close, we could touch them. They're
Speaker 1: so close. What does that meantime?
Speaker 3: What are they like?
Speaker 2: Uncle Rico? I could throw a football over these mountains?
Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: So if I showed up to Antarctica, I wouldn't know
Speaker 3: how close the mountains are supposed to be be perceived
Speaker 3: to people back home. You know, it's weird because that's
Speaker 3: not really how cameras work either. Because you ever you
Speaker 3: ever taken you ever looked outside and saw the moon
Speaker 3: and say, Dan, you take pictures of it all the time,
Speaker 3: that moon looks huge, and then you take a picture of.
Speaker 1: It, you're like, it's just small. It looks small, doesn't
Speaker 1: and it looks like a light.
Speaker 3: So the so the opposite is typically true. Your own
Speaker 3: eyes do not make it look like the mountains are close.
Speaker 3: They would look like they're where they would look further away,
Speaker 3: and the camera would not make them look closer.
Speaker 1: It would make them look further away, even further away. Yes, right,
Speaker 1: so it takes away some of that refraction and it
Speaker 1: and it puts it like and what it actually kind
Speaker 1: of looks to me.
Speaker 3: To me, that seems like a strange thing to say. Yeah, right,
Speaker 3: it's almost like, hey, these mountains look too close. Look
Speaker 3: at this picture. They look too close. Explain why they
Speaker 3: look too close? Yeah. Otherwise it's like I don't have
Speaker 3: to defend where the mountains. You can see the mountains
Speaker 3: in the picture, because like I'm.
Speaker 1: Here, Yeah, who cares? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm.
Speaker 3: Saying, Like you're trying to make defenses for things that
Speaker 3: people have not even started questioning yet. So now when
Speaker 3: people say, hey, those mountains do look too close? Do
Speaker 3: you remember when he said this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like.
Speaker 1: And they kept saying that over and over. Yep. So
Speaker 1: there's there's things. Okay. So so in conclusion, bro, what
Speaker 1: do you think JT. I'm gonna ask you, what do
Speaker 1: you think? Bro?
Speaker 3: I would i would say I'm leaning toward it was
Speaker 3: that it was mostly fake. Like I don't know to
Speaker 3: what level it was fake, but I would say that
Speaker 3: just because of the just just because of those things
Speaker 3: where it's.
Speaker 2: Like that, Well, I won't say that. I would say that, I'm.
Speaker 1: You think they were in Do you believe that they
Speaker 1: went to Antarctica.
Speaker 3: I believe they went somewhere in the southern hemisphere and
Speaker 3: they were in some icy place. I believe that they
Speaker 3: were they were somewhere there. I don't believe that they
Speaker 3: were at that self poll. I mean whatever that wherever
Speaker 3: that place was. The final experiment to me would have
Speaker 3: been flying over the South Pole and coming back around
Speaker 3: the other side.
Speaker 1: That is the.
Speaker 3: Exactly that would have been the final That would have
Speaker 3: been the final experience. You could have really convinced people
Speaker 3: if you could have done if you could have proved that. Okay,
Speaker 3: So that being said, I am kind of I'm I'm
Speaker 3: I'm on the fence. I could be I could be
Speaker 3: swayed either way, but I would say that there is
Speaker 3: all the reason in the world to just say I
Speaker 3: can't trust it, and I'm just like, so, so I'm
Speaker 3: gonna go on doing whatever I was doing before this,
Speaker 3: and now I don't want people say, oh, you should
Speaker 3: interview with it. It's like I don't want anything to
Speaker 3: do with him, Like I like I because I because
Speaker 3: I'll just say pull disclosure. And this could be a
Speaker 3: bias on my own part to say this, but I
Speaker 3: don't believe him anymore.
Speaker 2: So I don't want him on my show.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have him on my podcast because I don't
Speaker 3: really I don't. I I don't respect him at this point,
Speaker 3: you know, because I don't like the way he talk
Speaker 3: to people.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't believe him.
Speaker 3: So even I he said like I said on the
Speaker 3: thing I said, so I could not trust him going
Speaker 3: forward unless I met him and I knew him and
Speaker 3: I got to know him and I got to hear
Speaker 3: more about it.
Speaker 1: But like, but maybe he could kind of explain himself.
Speaker 1: I want to I just want to expect.
Speaker 3: But I'm saying, but I'm saying, like to me, it's
Speaker 3: kind of like that those guys have kind of lost
Speaker 3: it for me. And then yeah, then then I have
Speaker 3: the greater flatter of community of people like like Dave,
Speaker 3: who seems like you're going a little bit, you know,
Speaker 3: cause it's kind of like just say, like you were saying,
Speaker 3: like you and I, me and Josh our friends, and
Speaker 3: we're becoming better friends as we do more podcasts together.
Speaker 2: But if you did something that I saw sketchy.
Speaker 3: I would defend you as much as I could, but
Speaker 3: I would be careful not to defend you too much
Speaker 3: because I don't want to get on the other side
Speaker 3: of it and find out, oh dang, he did actually
Speaker 3: do some of the things that people are accusing him,
Speaker 3: because then that would make me look bad, you know,
Speaker 3: So you'd have a cautious thing. But it does feel
Speaker 3: like he is he didn't go. But maybe it's almost
Speaker 3: like it's better if one of us does not go.
Speaker 3: So you can, yeah, you could, can you can you
Speaker 3: can make sure, Yeah, you can be you can be objective, right,
Speaker 3: you know, it's.
Speaker 1: It's it's all interesting, bro and and guys, that's why
Speaker 1: I wanted to do the show with JT because he's
Speaker 1: really good at breaking things down. And yeah, so in conclusion,
Speaker 1: for me, I want to make sure that everything comes out.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll do a follow up show once we see everything,
Speaker 1: see what will experiments they did, once I get a
Speaker 1: little more deeper in the in the and maybe I
Speaker 1: have Jaron on the show in two weeks. Maybe me
Speaker 1: and j he could do a follow up show. Maybe
Speaker 1: we'll have Pastor rich on.
Speaker 2: But yeah, at this.
Speaker 3: Moment, and asked and mass Pitt Pastor Dean about I
Speaker 3: want to I want to hear a follow up from
Speaker 3: Pastor Dean saying, did you know that you were cutting
Speaker 3: a promo for these guys debunking your whole mom?
Speaker 1: We already did a sermon and what he said is
Speaker 1: that the devil could be doing a lying wonder in
Speaker 1: the sky and and be, you know, doing being acting
Speaker 1: like the sun. Yeah, it's very interesting, man.
Speaker 2: But it's like, but so you see though, but you're
Speaker 2: still he's.
Speaker 1: Still you connected that a map to the Bible.
Speaker 3: Which well, you see, but you see what he did though.
Speaker 3: But it's like, but you're the one who gave them
Speaker 3: the rope to hang you Amo, Yeah, so you like
Speaker 3: you did that. So like that's why I would say
Speaker 3: that if I saw that the movement of the sun,
Speaker 3: or potentially what would appear to be the sun, then
Speaker 3: I would say, well, that's really interesting. And I guess
Speaker 3: I said, well, maybe that one map's wrong. Okay, I'm
Speaker 3: going back to making videos about I mean, I'll look,
Speaker 3: I'll look.
Speaker 2: Into this further when I can.
Speaker 3: But you're like, but I would say that, no, it
Speaker 3: does not debunk the observable lack of curvature and other
Speaker 3: observations that we've already made. So this is one more
Speaker 3: data point, yeah, to maybe hopefully getting.
Speaker 1: Up what we're doing. If everything's on the up and
Speaker 1: up and it's one hundred percent true. It's a data
Speaker 1: point that we can use, you know, to go further.
Speaker 1: But it's definitely not a final experiment, you know, And
Speaker 1: it definitely does not prove Biblical cosmology wrong. The Bible
Speaker 1: makes no such claim. The Bible does. In Palms nineteen
Speaker 1: one through six, it talks about the sun does a circuit.
Speaker 1: That just means it starts at one point ends in
Speaker 1: the other. It says that nothing will escape from the
Speaker 1: heat thereof, So nothing's going to escape from the heat
Speaker 1: of the sun. It does say that, so it's like
Speaker 1: a strong man running a race that comes out of
Speaker 1: its chamber. It says that the sun has a tabernacle,
Speaker 1: which is a tent or that's not Jehovah's tent. So
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff, man, But yeah, guys, one
Speaker 1: thing I would say to every flatter throughout there, every
Speaker 1: Biblical cosmologist, everybody that's Christian, do not marry the ae
Speaker 1: map to the Bible. That is a mistake because that
Speaker 1: is a man made thing. All right, So we don't
Speaker 1: we don't allow a apps to be connected to.
Speaker 2: Don't marry yourself as Christians to non believers.
Speaker 1: Yes, you gotta be careful with that.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm and that's what I'm trying to say
Speaker 3: that That's why I like, yeah that ultimately we are,
Speaker 3: we believe in biblical cosmology, we are, we can. I'm
Speaker 3: not saying you can't watch these guys videos when they're
Speaker 3: trying to potentially make interesting observations, but yeah, like that's
Speaker 3: why it's talking about unequally yoked. And that's why I'm
Speaker 3: trying to say, like that if this guy Jaren is
Speaker 3: making money off the earth being flat, well why wouldn't
Speaker 3: he be willing to make money off the earth being around?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: He I mean like what I mean, it's a it's
Speaker 2: a natural but.
Speaker 1: Hast Okay, So one thing we do have to say
Speaker 1: on Janes, if he has put ten years of his
Speaker 1: life into this, and he has put he's done, live
Speaker 1: after live after life. He does not like er dubat.
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is he but he got has
Speaker 2: he got paid to do it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he's got you know. So that's what
Speaker 2: I'm just saying.
Speaker 3: That's what all I'm trying to say, is like that
Speaker 3: I'm not saying, I'm not saying, I'm just saying, and
Speaker 3: that that's why I'm saying, like that if you if
Speaker 3: you are not you know, think about in the in
Speaker 3: the matrix, if you're not unplugged, then you could be
Speaker 3: an agent at any time. Yeah. Right, that's the whole
Speaker 3: thing where we always talk about, like people always wonder
Speaker 3: like how could how could these elites, all this coordinated
Speaker 3: evil be in the world. It's like because do you
Speaker 3: remember the story about when the devil took Jesus up
Speaker 3: to a high place and offered him all the things
Speaker 3: if all he did was worship him, It's like, so
Speaker 3: there's a core, there's a coordinated effort. If there's a
Speaker 3: coordinated evil in this world, and it's ruled through the
Speaker 3: sons of disobedience, So you could become an agent at
Speaker 3: any point if you are not in Christ.
Speaker 2: Yes, So that's why I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So like that's why, like that, when you put yourself
Speaker 3: out here as somebody who believes in the truth, and
Speaker 3: you believe in Jesus, and you and you are trying
Speaker 3: to walk the narrow path that if you're if you're
Speaker 3: showing cracks in that way, we know you can be
Speaker 3: comprom because even honestly, I can speak for myself. Is
Speaker 3: like I worry one day if I ever got offered
Speaker 3: like all the things that I want. You always think
Speaker 3: about that story is that Jesus was coming to get
Speaker 3: those kingdoms. So it's interesting that the devil offered him
Speaker 3: to them. Right, So it's kind of like you could
Speaker 3: have all the things you want, but it's there's a
Speaker 3: twist to it, right, like all whatever your motivation is,
Speaker 3: he could give you those things.
Speaker 1: You had to have owned it at that time for
Speaker 1: him to offer it, or it's not a temptation.
Speaker 2: But you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: But if there's a there's a it's the discernment is
Speaker 3: knowing the difference between right and almost right, like so
Speaker 3: going walking the narrow path and taking it the way
Speaker 3: you're supposed to do it. So the point is, if
Speaker 3: I ever got offered like a platform, a podcast, and
Speaker 3: I could do this full time, and I could do
Speaker 3: it successfully, But if then I had somebody who was
Speaker 3: offered me the money and the things the means to
Speaker 3: do it. Then they say, well, now you got to
Speaker 3: say this.
Speaker 1: Don't talk about it.
Speaker 2: You can't talk about it. You can't say those kind
Speaker 2: of a thing.
Speaker 3: So so there is a that's again it all comes
Speaker 3: down to that whole verse when he's saying, I'm sending
Speaker 3: you amongst the wolves, so be as wise as serpent
Speaker 3: and innocent as doves. Yes, So it just means like that, Yeah,
Speaker 3: like the devil is very is very crafty, he's very slick.
Speaker 3: He can manipulate people knowingly and unknowingly. Yeah, and then
Speaker 3: if you're influenced by those people, that's how he can
Speaker 3: influence you.
Speaker 2: So point being as yeah, we need to be.
Speaker 3: We need not accuse people outright, but we do need
Speaker 3: to say that. No, I don't have to I don't
Speaker 3: have like it's not bearing false witness to say I
Speaker 3: don't believe somebody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just don't say you're a liar, like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But if but just be skeptical for sure.
Speaker 1: So I got I gotta get going. I know you
Speaker 1: do too. My dad is going to be running down
Speaker 1: at any minute. So I always end this in prayer,
Speaker 1: So let's do that. So Father God in the name
Speaker 1: of Jesus, we appreciate everything you do for us. Lord.
Speaker 1: This is this is something that is a subject that
Speaker 1: is big. But we like we do, Lord, We we
Speaker 1: believe your word only. We know faith cometh by hearing
Speaker 1: the word of God and and and we just want
Speaker 1: to build faith. We want to build the audience's faith.
Speaker 1: Uh so we just stand on your word.
Speaker 3: Lord.
Speaker 1: We put your word first. We let you be true.
Speaker 1: Every man a liar. Romans three four says that that's
Speaker 1: what we try to do. Everybody that went out to
Speaker 1: the Final Experiment, you know, and did everything they tried
Speaker 1: to do. That's that is that is the worldly stuff
Speaker 1: that has no bearing on us. But we we do
Speaker 1: pay attention to it, just because I want to make
Speaker 1: sure that when I'm when I'm you know, teaching biblical
Speaker 1: cosmology and teaching your word, I want to make sure
Speaker 1: I'm teaching it correctly. So if you can help us
Speaker 1: to do that. I know JT is out there, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, battling against the forces of evil like like
Speaker 1: I am. And I just want to say, if you
Speaker 1: could protect him, protect his family. If these guys are
Speaker 1: one hundred percent on the oup and up and telling
Speaker 1: the truth, you know what's it and in general, you know,
Speaker 1: protect them because they're getting slandered like crazy. If they're not,
Speaker 1: then obviously expose what they're lying about.
Speaker 3: Lord.
Speaker 1: If this whole thing is a lie, exposed the Lord
Speaker 1: and help people to expose it. But if it is
Speaker 1: on the up and up and truth, then help it
Speaker 1: to come to truth. You know, we appreciate everything you
Speaker 1: do for us. Thank you and everybody that's listening. If
Speaker 1: you could supernaturally help them, assist them to read the
Speaker 1: Bible and Lord, next week we're gonna pick up on
Speaker 1: Exodus seventeen, so help me teach that as best as possible. Okay,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. We love you in Jesus name. Amen. Amen, Right,
Speaker 1: check out JT shout out your channel real quick before
Speaker 1: we go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, way think JT follows JC on YouTube. Also, I'm
Speaker 3: on Instagram, Spotify, all this stuff. I think I got
Speaker 3: rid of the name of Cutting Babylon just because I
Speaker 3: don't really hardly ever post under that plat that kind
Speaker 3: of podcast name anymore. So you can just look up
Speaker 3: JT follows JT JT, j JT follows JC on Apple
Speaker 3: and Spotify, and then I'm on also on Rumble, but yeah,
Speaker 3: appreciate appreciate this, Josh, Yeah.
Speaker 2: This was this was fun. I think this is fun.
Speaker 1: Need If you're hearing this, please comment below, comment on Spotify,
Speaker 1: comment on YouTube. Please if you guys could, I want
Speaker 1: to hear exactly what you guys think, and that way
Speaker 1: we could I could try to you know, when we
Speaker 1: do the follow up later, when we do this show,
Speaker 1: then we have some stuff to talk about. So thank
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