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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back and joining us now is Eric Peters of

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<v Speaker 1>Eric petersautos dot com. Always great to have Eric on.

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<v Speaker 1>He has focused on liberty and mobility because you can't

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<v Speaker 1>have one without the other. It's kind of all what

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<v Speaker 1>Jefferson said about life and liberty. He said, the hand

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<v Speaker 1>of force can destroy life or liberty, but cannot separate them.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, he said disjoin them. But that's a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit stilted for our language, but it definitely is true,

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<v Speaker 1>and you cannot disjoin liberty and mobility either. So I

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<v Speaker 1>always enjoy Eric's take on things. Eric, I was sad

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<v Speaker 1>to see that we were just talking about this over

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<v Speaker 1>the break. You wrote a piece three days ago. You said,

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<v Speaker 1>our Charlie, what happened in your family?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, it's a tough thing to talk about. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope all the people to do this well enough. But

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<v Speaker 2>we had a had about a two and a half

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<v Speaker 2>year old mixed breed German shepherd lab and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's been my companion for that whole time and just

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<v Speaker 2>a very big presence.

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<v Speaker 3>In our life.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, he got hit by I guess a car truck,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure exactly which, and it was really jarring

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<v Speaker 2>because as anybody who's been through having a pet die knows,

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<v Speaker 2>it's one thing when your pet is elderly and old

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<v Speaker 2>or sick, and you you know, you understand that it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to happen, and you have time to prepare for it.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, with a with a young pet like that,

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<v Speaker 2>to just be gone instantly, just like that, just what

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<v Speaker 2>happened really difficult, you know, boy, For the last several

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<v Speaker 2>days has happened on Friday, I've been having deja vu,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, certain times of the day like oh, I

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<v Speaker 2>better put water in paces bowl, or oh, it's time

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<v Speaker 2>for us to go for our run. I went for

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<v Speaker 2>a run on Monday, and you know, one of his

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<v Speaker 2>things that he would do, he would carry around him.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a strong dog, a big log in his

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<v Speaker 2>mouth and he would keep it in his mouth for

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<v Speaker 2>a mile or more on our on you know, It's

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<v Speaker 2>just one of those things. And as I'm running by myself,

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<v Speaker 2>which was strange, I saw one of the logs that

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<v Speaker 2>he dropped off on the trail and it just really

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, kind of really I'm being overly emotional about it.

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<v Speaker 3>So I apologize.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh no, I understand, absolutely understand.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like you said, it's the suddenness of this, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's one of the things that really magnified

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<v Speaker 1>what happened to Charlie Kirk. But I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when we look at it and how they have taken

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<v Speaker 1>his legacy and they have flipped it completely opposite of

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<v Speaker 1>what he was known for, what he ought to be

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<v Speaker 1>remembered for. They're doing everything they can to make a

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<v Speaker 1>saint a celebrity whatever. There in Oklahoma. They want to

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<v Speaker 1>put a Charlie Kirk statue on every university campus. I

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<v Speaker 1>think the right way to honor him is to support

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<v Speaker 1>free speech, but it seems like the people who agreed

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<v Speaker 1>with him and who followed him want to do just

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<v Speaker 1>the opposite of that. They want to attack free speech.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this gives them an opportunity to do what

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<v Speaker 1>they know the left was doing to them before.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you think.

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<v Speaker 2>Particular Trump, did you happen to ask the interview. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a couple of days after Kirk's assassination, and I

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<v Speaker 2>wish I could remember who the journalist was. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a woman, and you know she was asking Trump about

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<v Speaker 2>the calls to suppress what they called hate speech. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>it's interesting that Trump all people the right is not

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<v Speaker 2>even exactly what they excoriated the left for doing during

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty twenty four campaign season, and it was one

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<v Speaker 2>of the reasons why people voted for Trump, because they

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<v Speaker 2>were tired of having their differing opinions framed as hate.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got a question, Oh, you're hateful.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, we can't discuss that because clearly you're a

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<v Speaker 2>Cretan and you're you know, you're motivated by malicious motives

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<v Speaker 2>rather than Hey, I just have a question. Anyway, This

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<v Speaker 2>female reporter asked Trump about that, and Trump had the egregious,

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<v Speaker 2>vulgar gall to say something like, uh, well, Charlie Cook,

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<v Speaker 2>does he may not think that way anymore or I

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<v Speaker 2>can't remember that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's exactly what he said. We played that clip. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she said, Charlie Kirch said there's no such thing as

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<v Speaker 1>hate speech. I probly wouldn't say that now.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's yeah, basically despicable.

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<v Speaker 2>Because again, everything that whether you agree with what Kirk

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<v Speaker 2>had to say or not, I think the one thing

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<v Speaker 2>that has to be universally acknowledged is that he was

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<v Speaker 2>willing to debate.

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<v Speaker 3>He was willing to discuss practically any topic.

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<v Speaker 2>Including even Israel, and you know the influence of the

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli government over the American government, and I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>ultimately what got him into trouble. You know, Trump demands

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<v Speaker 2>lockstep adherents and even worship of himself and his policies,

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<v Speaker 2>and he does it in a manner that's just so

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<v Speaker 2>abrasive and insulting to the people who support him. This

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<v Speaker 2>latest business of doing the parking break one eighty on Ukraine,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, again, it's another example. You know, if people

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<v Speaker 2>had been aware that he was going to do that

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty four, I doubt many people.

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<v Speaker 3>Would have voted for him.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the reasons, small reasons people voted for him

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<v Speaker 2>was we are sick of all these wars. We're sick

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<v Speaker 2>of being forced to finance it through our taxes and

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<v Speaker 2>thereby be complicit in it. You know, the mass in Gaza,

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<v Speaker 2>we want no part of this stuff. It's got to stop.

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<v Speaker 2>That's one of the reasons why people voted for him.

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<v Speaker 2>And now this brazen guy just says, well, we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to back Ukraine. And not only that, he's saying that

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<v Speaker 2>Ukraine has a right to not only sees back every

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<v Speaker 2>territory that it's lost, but potentially even more than that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it takes time back from Russia exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>It's madness. How do they think that this is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be received by Putin? What do you think Putin's

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<v Speaker 2>response to this is going to be. I wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>surprised if he amps things up because he believes that

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<v Speaker 2>he's got a narrow window of opportunity now to finish

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<v Speaker 2>this situation before boots that go on the ground, potentially

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<v Speaker 2>American boots.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he is taunting Putin saying he doesn't have much

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<v Speaker 1>a military He could have finished this off in a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of weeks, you know, like we finished off Afghanistan,

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<v Speaker 1>right in a couple of weeks.

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<v Speaker 2>I was having a conversation with a friend of mine

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<v Speaker 2>who stopped by yesterday about this, and we got to

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<v Speaker 2>talking about Putin versus Trump and the difference between a

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<v Speaker 2>serious person and a clown.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, whatever you may think of Putin, you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to say that you like him. You know, that's a

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<v Speaker 2>childish argument. It's not about whether you think he's a

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<v Speaker 2>nice man or a bad man. He's a serious man.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a serious person with serious credentials. Who is not

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<v Speaker 2>an idiot and who understands history. And look at Trump,

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<v Speaker 2>what do we have. You know, we literally have a

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<v Speaker 2>clown going up against a serious person, a dangerous clown.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe he was installed for that very reason. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he even had his first Commerce secretary, William Let's see

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<v Speaker 1>Webber Ross, who said that, you know, it was the

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<v Speaker 1>Rothschild bank that he was working for, and he said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when Trump was going bankrupt, he showed up

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<v Speaker 1>and he saw this big crowd around him. He said,

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<v Speaker 1>I contacted the Rothschild people and I said, hey, this

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<v Speaker 1>is somebody I think we could use. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's exactly why they're doing. They're using him as a clown.

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<v Speaker 1>They're using him to divide people, They're using him to

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<v Speaker 1>create chaos.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's his.

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<v Speaker 2>Role and also a distraction, and maybe the worst kind

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<v Speaker 2>of distraction imaginable, you know, as everything falls apart internally,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, potentially, let's say the Epstein thing percolates

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<v Speaker 2>up again, or we find new details about what may

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<v Speaker 2>have been involved in Kirk's murder that could have incredibly

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<v Speaker 2>damaging repercussions. What would be a perfect thing to get

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<v Speaker 2>people's mind off of that, well, perhaps a big war

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<v Speaker 2>in Eastern Europe do just that. That's right, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>what I have, this creepy feeling maybe in the works, and.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it is absolutely capable of it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you look at what he's doing with the

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<v Speaker 1>trying to make an excuse that he can blow up

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<v Speaker 1>ships off of Venezuela without even stopping them or verifying

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<v Speaker 1>that they're running drugs. And as I pointed out at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time that he's saying, this is an appropriate response,

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<v Speaker 1>and JD. Vance is saying it's appropriate. Marco Rubio and

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<v Speaker 1>Pete Heigseth are all saying, oh, this is what our

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<v Speaker 1>military is for.

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<v Speaker 4>No, it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>We had our military was stopping ships, inspecting them. If

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<v Speaker 1>they find drugs, they would take the drugs, they would

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<v Speaker 1>arrest the people. They didn't line them up on the

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<v Speaker 1>side of the boat and machine gun them. And so

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<v Speaker 1>this is an extra judicial killing. I told the audience

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<v Speaker 1>earlier on the program, I said, Dutarte did this in

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<v Speaker 1>the Philippines. He said, you know, you think it's a

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<v Speaker 1>drug dealer, shoot to kill. And he's now in the

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<v Speaker 1>International Criminal Court and they're looking at him for those

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<v Speaker 1>extra judicial killings. It's a crime. It's a war crime

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<v Speaker 1>that he's doing, so he's perfectly capable.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a psychopathic elaboration of that old if you

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<v Speaker 2>see something, say something.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, if you see something, kill something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, these are acts of war and they're also the

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<v Speaker 2>acts of a coward bully in that Venezuela. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>another example of big old Uncle Sam throwing his weight

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<v Speaker 2>around and you know, extraditionally extra judicially killing foreign nationals

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<v Speaker 2>outside of the United States with impunity because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we can do it. What's Venezuela going to do about it?

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<v Speaker 4>That's right?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think at some point Trump is going

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<v Speaker 2>to whack the wrong guy, and Putin could be just

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<v Speaker 2>the guy who's the wrong guy to whack.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right, That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's very concerning, you know, even escalated saying yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we should shoot down Russian jets if they get any

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<v Speaker 1>more close to the borders and things like that as well.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a dangerous time that we live. And of course,

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<v Speaker 1>very much like the Chinese curse, isn't it may you

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<v Speaker 1>live in interesting times. There's never a shortage of thanks

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<v Speaker 1>to report on it. It's like and now for something

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<v Speaker 1>completely different from Trump than he said yesterday.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, it's like mightey Python, I'm glad.

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<v Speaker 3>You brought up China. It just I happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I needed a break the other day, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>was just watching some random YouTube videos, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>watching some videos of depicting scenes in China around, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>their train stations and their airports, their infrastructure.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is immaculate and modern.

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<v Speaker 2>I looked at their bullet trains, and I compared it

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<v Speaker 2>with what's going on in this country. You know, China

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<v Speaker 2>is actually concerned with China and trying to build up

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<v Speaker 2>its own internal society and improve itself, where it seems

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<v Speaker 2>that the US is de industrializing and rapidly descending from

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<v Speaker 2>second to third world status, you know, to the extent

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<v Speaker 2>we can actually see the change from.

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<v Speaker 3>Day to day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's and it's by design, and it's by the

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<v Speaker 1>same people that are running Trump, even though he pushes

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<v Speaker 1>it's the deliberate de industrialization of the West. And there's

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<v Speaker 1>two sides of that. They want to de industrialize the

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<v Speaker 1>manufacturing and the huge advantage that they have is in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of energy costs. But as Gerald Clenti has said

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<v Speaker 1>many times on the show, he said, the business of

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<v Speaker 1>China is business. The business of America is war, and

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<v Speaker 3>And constructiveness.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I saw something also related to China that talked.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a person talking about how in China the oligarchs,

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<v Speaker 3>Oligarchs did in the late part of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Nineteenth and early twentieth century when they did things like

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<v Speaker 2>things that were good for Americans, you know, leaving aside

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<v Speaker 2>the question of corporate oligarchs. At least they put me

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<v Speaker 2>back into the country, whereas now the oligarch class in

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<v Speaker 2>this country just flaunts its gratuitous, egregious theft wealth, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>with one mcmanson after the next, and yachts and lavish lifestyles,

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<v Speaker 2>thumbing their nose and rubbing our faces in it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And to make it clear, you know, when you look

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<v Speaker 1>these products when they replace all of us with robots.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what their goal is. They will replace everybody with robots.

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<v Speaker 1>And I said when Trump did his tax cut in

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<v Speaker 1>he was going to incentivize them to bring to onshore manufacturing,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, that's not going to happen until they've got

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<v Speaker 1>the robots to replace the workers. I said, that's why

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<v Speaker 1>they've got the open border immigration. And once they have

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<v Speaker 1>robots to that point, they'll get tough on immigration, and

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<v Speaker 1>they will pay these oligarchs a lot of money to

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<v Speaker 1>bring factories back, but it's not going to bring back

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<v Speaker 1>any jobs. They're just going to be incentivized to build

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<v Speaker 1>the factories and they'll brag about the fact that they've

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<v Speaker 1>using it to raise the standard of living of anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's really what is what is happening

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<v Speaker 2>I think so too, And I'd like to focus in

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<v Speaker 2>on something that you mentioned, which has to do with

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<v Speaker 3>You know, they're not concerned about that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not it's not that they're you know, well, how

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<v Speaker 2>are people going to be able to afford these fifty

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars vehicles that they're pushing out right now? They

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<v Speaker 2>know that the end goal is for you to not own.

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<v Speaker 4>The vehicle exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>The end goal is for you to rent the ride,

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<v Speaker 2>to rent everything, you know, sort of like the way

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<v Speaker 2>that you pay for a streaming service so that you

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<v Speaker 2>can watch TV. That's what they want, Serial debt. They

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<v Speaker 2>want to completely disconnect us, you know, the typical average

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<v Speaker 4>It isn't like they didn't tell us.

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<v Speaker 1>They constantly it's like, you will own nothing, right, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll be happy. And I thought about you this way.

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<v Speaker 1>Why I wanted to get you back on because, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't talked to Eric for a while. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>pull back because they can't sell their evs. And I remember,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, and I talked to the audience, I said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Eric's been saying this for the longest time. They should

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<v Speaker 1>have hired him as CEO of Portie. They wouldn't have

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<v Speaker 1>had this issue. Because you knew, and of course common

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<v Speaker 1>sense would tell us that they have a huge advantage.

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<v Speaker 1>These companies that have been making internal combustion engines for

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<v Speaker 1>a long time, they had a huge advantage to China

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<v Speaker 1>or to other potential competitors that had to be destroyed

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<v Speaker 1>by saying no, now we can't use internal combustion engines.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to have to do the the skates of

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<v Speaker 1>the evs, and China's got the advantage with the battery technology.

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<v Speaker 1>They've also got now a manufacturing advantage in terms of

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<v Speaker 1>cheap available energy. Energy is so expensive in the UK

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<v Speaker 1>they're shutting down all their manufacturing and in Germany it's

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<v Speaker 1>very expensive. They can't be cost with it. But now

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<v Speaker 1>they're saying, hey, we're going to have to pull back

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit. We've mal invested billions of dollars in

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<v Speaker 1>the EV industry. Nobody wants these things, nobody's buying it,

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<v Speaker 1>So now we're going to have to pull back and

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<v Speaker 1>try to have a cottage industry of maybe being allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to sell some internal combustion engines. But it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>break the back if it's even allowed of these, if

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<v Speaker 1>they even allow them to sell a few boutique things

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<v Speaker 1>to the rich. It's still going to break their back.

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<v Speaker 2>It will, and this is a general problem Stillantis, which

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<v Speaker 2>is the parent company of the Dodge, Ramjeep and Chrysler brands,

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<v Speaker 2>announced about a week ago that they were not going

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<v Speaker 2>to produce the electric version of the Ram fifteen hundred

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<v Speaker 2>pickup that they had planned to bring out in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty six because they understand that it would be a disaster,

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<v Speaker 2>that nobody's going to buy it. And so rather than

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<v Speaker 2>just build these things and then shipping them to dealers

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<v Speaker 2>where they're just going to sit and then having to

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<v Speaker 2>give them away a fire sale prices.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is what Forms had to do with the fighting.

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<v Speaker 2>They figured it this one thing to do is to

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<v Speaker 2>cut bait. I've practically destroyed the Dodge brand already by

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<v Speaker 2>getting rid of the engine in the charger and getting

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<v Speaker 2>rid of the Challenger altogether and replacing it with this

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<v Speaker 2>electric charger, which has been an epic flop.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Even worse than the Adds, a disaster back in the fifties.

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<v Speaker 2>It hasn't been remarked on, but I mean it's that bad.

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<v Speaker 2>They can't sell these things. I have yet to see

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<v Speaker 2>one in the wild. I have yet to see one

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<v Speaker 2>on the road. They haven't even sent me one to

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<v Speaker 2>review yet. Because it's not just that they're short range

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<v Speaker 2>and all the other problems that electric vehicles have. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not well made. It's a problematic, problem prone vehicle that

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<v Speaker 2>suffers endless glitches such as bricking, to the point where

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<v Speaker 2>they have to send out a technician to try to

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<v Speaker 2>figure out why it won't move. Now, the other thing

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<v Speaker 2>is that you brought up I find this endlessly fascinating

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<v Speaker 2>with regard to portion these other manufacturers that are no

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<v Speaker 2>longer run by car people, because any car guy would

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<v Speaker 2>tell you that a Porsche there are intangibles when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to a car like that. It's not just about

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<v Speaker 2>how quickly it goes to zero to sixty us right

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<v Speaker 2>the fatal error and thinking, well, we'll just basically produce

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<v Speaker 2>a Tesla that looks like a Porsche essentially, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and somehow we'll sell that feeling. To understand that one

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<v Speaker 2>of the big reasons that people buy Porsches is because

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<v Speaker 2>they love that six cylinder boxer engine and they love

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<v Speaker 2>the sound that it makes and the emotional visceral feeling

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<v Speaker 2>that you get that is lost entirely. Electric vehicles are

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<v Speaker 2>fundamentally homogenous. Say what you will about you know, will

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<v Speaker 2>the reply it and this and that? But they're fundamentally

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<v Speaker 2>when you drive one, you've driven them all.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't they does Porsche and some of these other sports

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<v Speaker 1>car companies when they make their evs, do they take

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<v Speaker 1>the Tesla approach in terms of instrumentation, because that's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that is also a part of the field.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, how does the controls feel? Does it feel

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<v Speaker 1>solid or tendsy? I hate the idea that I've got

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<v Speaker 1>to use a touchscreen while I'm driving. How is that safe?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you're you're supposed to use hands off of

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<v Speaker 1>your phone or we'll give you a ticket. But hey,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a wonderful thing if we take all the controls.

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<v Speaker 1>Even on Tesla, you can't even adjust the direction of

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<v Speaker 1>the air vents without using the touchpad that is attached

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<v Speaker 1>to the dashboard.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, And they're all doing it now right now in

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<v Speaker 2>the driveway. I have a brand new twenty twenty six

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<v Speaker 2>Kia Sportage, which is a nothing special little crossover that

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<v Speaker 2>stickers for about twenty eight thousand dollars and it's got

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<v Speaker 2>a full width, single sheet LCD screen for everything, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the main instrument cluster, and then off to its right

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<v Speaker 2>is the thing that you have to tap and swipe

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<v Speaker 2>through in order to operate functions such as, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>changing the station.

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<v Speaker 3>That you're listening to. And you're right, And it's just an.

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<v Speaker 2>Illustration of how disingenuous the government is because on the

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<v Speaker 2>one hand, they say to people, ah, you can't use

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<v Speaker 2>your cell phone while you're driving, because it's dangerous to

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<v Speaker 2>be looking at your phone and swiping and tapping a

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<v Speaker 2>screen while you're trying to drive. You can't keep your

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<v Speaker 2>eyes on the road. But it's no problem if you

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<v Speaker 2>build the thing into the car.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to have some controls that I have to

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<v Speaker 1>take my seat belt off in order to use.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So one of the you know, to get back to

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<v Speaker 2>circle back to what we were talking about, the great disaster.

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<v Speaker 2>In my opinion, it's another one is that this homogeneity

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<v Speaker 2>of appearance in the interior of cars that has been

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<v Speaker 2>that has been bequeathed to us by this obsession with

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<v Speaker 2>reproducing the smartphone in your car, the look of a smartphone.

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<v Speaker 2>So now you've lost that individuality too, instead of having

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of neat array of gauge.

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<v Speaker 3>Is a really good example of this.

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<v Speaker 2>A couple of weeks ago, I had the latest Mini

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<v Speaker 2>Cooper and it used to be that one of the

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<v Speaker 2>cool things about the Mini Cooper, which is owned by

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<v Speaker 2>the Germans, it's owned by BMW, but nonetheless was that

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<v Speaker 2>they replicated the feel, the look and the function of

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<v Speaker 2>the sixties minis. You know, if you've ever been in

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<v Speaker 2>one of the models, they had the cool little chrome

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<v Speaker 2>toggle switches, you know, and it had a vibe to it,

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<v Speaker 2>that feel, and it was like no other car. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>they did what everybody else is doing, and they got

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<v Speaker 2>rid of essentially all of the physical tactile controls, the

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<v Speaker 2>switches and knobs, and in lieu of that, they put

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<v Speaker 2>one gigantic pie.

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<v Speaker 3>Plate touchscreen, you know, in the middle, in the center.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the and it looks cheap, it looks homogeneous, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's also in a way, in my opinion, it's anti human.

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<v Speaker 3>It's antiseptic cold.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they shut down the last UK factory for

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<v Speaker 1>the Mini BMW did am I correct?

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<v Speaker 4>I think they just should.

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't be surprised.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw something because again, you can't do manufacturing in

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<v Speaker 1>the US because hair Starmer. The Nazi doesn't want you

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<v Speaker 1>to have any energy, so they shut it down, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think, you know. And it was an article out

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<v Speaker 1>of the UK UH and they were saying, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this is something that was fundamentally British, as you point about,

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<v Speaker 1>very any idiosyncratic.

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<v Speaker 4>And now it's not going to be made anymore in.

425
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<v Speaker 1>Britain because of the cost of energy that's there.

426
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if nothing survives any longer except the brand, you know,

427
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<v Speaker 2>that's what you get label.

428
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<v Speaker 3>Well, you know, inside the same when.

429
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<v Speaker 1>You talk about the design of these cars and how

430
00:19:51.839 --> 00:19:55.319
<v Speaker 1>we've lost so much of this around this area. You know,

431
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<v Speaker 1>we're not too far away from Pigeon Forge and last

432
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<v Speaker 1>week they just had big classic cars show, and that's

433
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<v Speaker 1>when it really hits home. You know, when you see

434
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<v Speaker 1>one of these cars, which it never really valued. I

435
00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:10.240
<v Speaker 1>mean it might have just been like a family sedan

436
00:20:10.400 --> 00:20:12.799
<v Speaker 1>or something, you know, fifty years ago, but you look

437
00:20:12.839 --> 00:20:14.920
<v Speaker 1>at it, it's like, wow, that's really quirky, that's kind

438
00:20:14.920 --> 00:20:17.039
<v Speaker 1>of interesting looking. Look at those colors, you know, and

439
00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:18.759
<v Speaker 1>all the rest of this stuff. Look at the colors,

440
00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:21.680
<v Speaker 1>look at the chrome. It really is entertaining to see

441
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<v Speaker 1>cars that were just ordinary cars or ordinary trucks half

442
00:20:24.880 --> 00:20:28.480
<v Speaker 1>a century ago, to see them and to see how

443
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<v Speaker 1>different they were and how.

444
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<v Speaker 4>Unique they all were.

445
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<v Speaker 1>And so it really kind of drives it home here

446
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<v Speaker 1>in the Pigeon Forgery. And they have these car shows

447
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<v Speaker 1>that happened frequently. The big one was last weekend they

448
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<v Speaker 1>had that. But you've got some articles at Eric Peters

449
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<v Speaker 1>Auto's dot com about some of the difficulties of keeping

450
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<v Speaker 1>these older cars running.

451
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<v Speaker 4>Talk about ethanol blues. What's that about.

452
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, I have to, as the saying goes

453
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<v Speaker 2>in the hood, cop to something which is barrassing for me,

454
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<v Speaker 2>because you know, I shouldn't all of all people, this

455
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<v Speaker 2>should not have happened to me. But I was lazy

456
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<v Speaker 2>one day, and this is several months back, probably about

457
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<v Speaker 2>eight months ago, when I was out driving my old

458
00:21:09.119 --> 00:21:12.119
<v Speaker 2>muscle car. I have a seventy six trans Am and

459
00:21:12.359 --> 00:21:15.000
<v Speaker 2>rather than go all the way into town where they

460
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<v Speaker 2>have a station that sells unadulterated pure gasoline, which is

461
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<v Speaker 2>normally what I use to fill the car up with

462
00:21:20.240 --> 00:21:23.759
<v Speaker 2>because it sits sometimes Fore I get preoccupied with work

463
00:21:24.079 --> 00:21:26.920
<v Speaker 2>and other things. Sometimes the car unfortunately, will sit for

464
00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:29.759
<v Speaker 2>several months before I have time to drive it. Anyway,

465
00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:32.559
<v Speaker 2>I filled it up with E ten, which is only

466
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<v Speaker 2>ninety percent gas and ten percent ethanol, and I left

467
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<v Speaker 2>it to sit, and it sat for about three months.

468
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<v Speaker 3>God helped me. You know, I deserve to be beaten

469
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<v Speaker 3>for that.

470
00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, I went, I went to start it, and boy,

471
00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:47.519
<v Speaker 2>I barely got it to run and it was going,

472
00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:51.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, smoke pouring out of it. A long story short,

473
00:21:52.079 --> 00:21:54.319
<v Speaker 2>I ended up having to take the carburetor off the

474
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<v Speaker 2>engine and completely disassemble it and clean out the ethanol

475
00:21:58.039 --> 00:22:01.720
<v Speaker 2>gunk inside the carburetor because the fuel had gone bad

476
00:22:01.839 --> 00:22:04.640
<v Speaker 2>over the time that I kept it in storage. Basically,

477
00:22:05.119 --> 00:22:07.079
<v Speaker 2>And you know, this is a problem with these older

478
00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:09.039
<v Speaker 2>vehicles because you know, my car was made in nineteen

479
00:22:09.079 --> 00:22:11.960
<v Speaker 2>seventy six, and in nineteen seventy six, when you bought gas,

480
00:22:12.039 --> 00:22:15.559
<v Speaker 2>you actually got gas for your money on hundred percent gasoline.

481
00:22:15.599 --> 00:22:18.759
<v Speaker 2>Most people don't understand that most pomp gas is ten

482
00:22:18.799 --> 00:22:21.799
<v Speaker 2>percent ethanol alcohol. And if you own a vehicle that

483
00:22:21.920 --> 00:22:25.799
<v Speaker 2>was made before that came into being, that vehicle was

484
00:22:25.839 --> 00:22:29.519
<v Speaker 2>not designed for alcohol. Alcohol is a different fuel than gasoline.

485
00:22:29.559 --> 00:22:32.160
<v Speaker 2>It has different properties. It attracts water, among other things.

486
00:22:32.160 --> 00:22:32.880
<v Speaker 2>It's corrosive.

487
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<v Speaker 1>Does it degrade faster than pure gasoline, then I guess

488
00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:39.000
<v Speaker 1>it does. That's what you're saying. Any pure gasoline will

489
00:22:39.039 --> 00:22:41.720
<v Speaker 1>degrade as well, right, but much longer period of time.

490
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, anybody who has outdoor power equipment knows that the

491
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<v Speaker 2>real problem is if you put ethanol in a gas

492
00:22:46.880 --> 00:22:48.799
<v Speaker 2>jugglet's saying, you put it in your shed and leave it.

493
00:22:49.319 --> 00:22:53.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, it'll tend to accumulate water much more rapidly

494
00:22:53.279 --> 00:22:55.599
<v Speaker 2>than regular gasoline. And you can also look at the

495
00:22:55.640 --> 00:22:57.400
<v Speaker 2>color that change in the color, you know, as it

496
00:22:57.440 --> 00:23:00.279
<v Speaker 2>starts to go from almost translucent to sort of a

497
00:23:00.359 --> 00:23:02.000
<v Speaker 2>yellow and then a darker yellow color.

498
00:23:02.039 --> 00:23:03.279
<v Speaker 3>And that's a clue not to use it.

499
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<v Speaker 4>By the way, Well that's interesting.

500
00:23:06.279 --> 00:23:10.400
<v Speaker 1>You also talk about oil and additives and the oil

501
00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:12.480
<v Speaker 1>that are different now for the older cars.

502
00:23:13.200 --> 00:23:14.640
<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, it's not just the additives.

503
00:23:14.799 --> 00:23:17.640
<v Speaker 2>Again, to get circling back to the transam, after I

504
00:23:17.680 --> 00:23:19.480
<v Speaker 2>cleaned out the gunk from the carburetor and got it

505
00:23:19.519 --> 00:23:22.519
<v Speaker 2>running well again, I recognized, oh boy, it's time to

506
00:23:22.599 --> 00:23:25.440
<v Speaker 2>change the oil. So I went down to the autoparts

507
00:23:25.480 --> 00:23:27.799
<v Speaker 2>store and I looked at the rack of oil, and

508
00:23:27.799 --> 00:23:29.680
<v Speaker 2>the rack of oil is you know, it's the whole

509
00:23:29.720 --> 00:23:31.559
<v Speaker 2>with the store. They have all kinds of different oil,

510
00:23:31.839 --> 00:23:34.519
<v Speaker 2>but they didn't have any ten forty anymore, you know,

511
00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:37.359
<v Speaker 2>and my car when it was made was designed to

512
00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:40.039
<v Speaker 2>have ten forty oil. So that's what specified and that's

513
00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:42.359
<v Speaker 2>what I used. There's a reason why there's a specification,

514
00:23:42.759 --> 00:23:45.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, and generally speaking, it's sound policy to follow

515
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<v Speaker 2>what the specification is.

516
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

517
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you know, if you've been to it, if

518
00:23:50.039 --> 00:23:51.839
<v Speaker 2>you've been to a car parts store lately and looked

519
00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:54.480
<v Speaker 2>at the oil rack, you'll see all these exotic formulations,

520
00:23:54.480 --> 00:23:57.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, zero W fifty this and that because they

521
00:23:58.680 --> 00:24:00.960
<v Speaker 2>thinned out the oil because it held helps with compliance.

522
00:24:01.559 --> 00:24:05.319
<v Speaker 2>You know, this is again it offers the manufacturers this

523
00:24:05.720 --> 00:24:09.599
<v Speaker 2>incremental friction reduction which translates into slightly higher gas models,

524
00:24:09.640 --> 00:24:11.920
<v Speaker 2>not anything you would notice as a vehicle owner, but

525
00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:14.000
<v Speaker 2>when you factor it out over say half a million

526
00:24:14.079 --> 00:24:17.119
<v Speaker 2>vehicles that you build, then it helps corporate average fuel

527
00:24:17.119 --> 00:24:20.759
<v Speaker 2>economy with the compliance with that federal requirement, and it

528
00:24:20.799 --> 00:24:23.079
<v Speaker 2>also helps with emissions. And you know, this is the obsession.

529
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<v Speaker 2>Now that the manufacturers have it's compliance. Their primary customer

530
00:24:27.799 --> 00:24:30.400
<v Speaker 2>now is the government, not you. You know, you're sort of

531
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<v Speaker 2>an instidental person. I'm just wanting to buy what the

532
00:24:32.559 --> 00:24:34.359
<v Speaker 2>government says you're allowed to have.

533
00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:36.720
<v Speaker 1>That's right, that's right, because the government put them out

534
00:24:36.759 --> 00:24:39.599
<v Speaker 1>of business if they don't please the government, and so

535
00:24:39.680 --> 00:24:42.599
<v Speaker 1>that is their primary customer. In so many cases, the

536
00:24:42.680 --> 00:24:45.119
<v Speaker 1>only customer that they care about is the government. That's

537
00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:47.839
<v Speaker 1>really what's going on with social media and with YouTube,

538
00:24:47.880 --> 00:24:49.799
<v Speaker 1>I think, isn't it?

539
00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:50.119
<v Speaker 4>It is?

540
00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:52.400
<v Speaker 2>And so long story short, I ended up having to

541
00:24:52.400 --> 00:24:55.960
<v Speaker 2>coot online to find a good, high quality ten forty

542
00:24:55.960 --> 00:24:58.640
<v Speaker 2>for my old muscle car. Now previously I'd also had

543
00:24:58.640 --> 00:25:01.519
<v Speaker 2>to go online to get there's an additive. It generally

544
00:25:01.759 --> 00:25:05.160
<v Speaker 2>it goes by the acronym ZDDP, and it's essentially a

545
00:25:05.279 --> 00:25:08.559
<v Speaker 2>zinc manganese additive. And it used to be president present

546
00:25:08.599 --> 00:25:11.680
<v Speaker 2>in all the store bought motor oils, but they began

547
00:25:11.720 --> 00:25:13.960
<v Speaker 2>to take it out and now there's a much less

548
00:25:14.599 --> 00:25:17.400
<v Speaker 2>of that additive in store BOUGHD motor oil. If you

549
00:25:17.400 --> 00:25:19.440
<v Speaker 2>have a new or late model vehicle, it doesn't matter,

550
00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:21.319
<v Speaker 2>the engine was designed for that. But if you have

551
00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:24.519
<v Speaker 2>an older vehicle, particularly an older American vehicle with what's

552
00:25:24.559 --> 00:25:28.559
<v Speaker 2>called a flat TAPT camshaft. So essentially, an American car

553
00:25:28.599 --> 00:25:31.000
<v Speaker 2>made before the early eighties with a V eight engine.

554
00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:33.920
<v Speaker 3>Typically it's important that you use that additive.

555
00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:35.200
<v Speaker 2>And if you're going to be somebody to go, if

556
00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:36.400
<v Speaker 2>you're going to go out and buy one of those

557
00:25:36.400 --> 00:25:38.319
<v Speaker 2>classic cars from that era, it's something to be aware

558
00:25:38.359 --> 00:25:41.039
<v Speaker 2>of because if you don't use that additive, you risk

559
00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:45.559
<v Speaker 2>valve train failure. Those the camshaft and lifters in those

560
00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:48.720
<v Speaker 2>engines were designed to have that anti friction additive in it,

561
00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:51.519
<v Speaker 2>and if you use regular oil, you're very likely to

562
00:25:51.559 --> 00:25:53.079
<v Speaker 2>have a problem that you don't want to have.

563
00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:57.240
<v Speaker 1>What about the aftermarket, Let's say that you have some

564
00:25:57.799 --> 00:25:59.880
<v Speaker 1>problems because you didn't have the right oil and fuel

565
00:25:59.920 --> 00:26:03.880
<v Speaker 1>and things like that. How difficult is it to get

566
00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:07.359
<v Speaker 1>parts for these things? I'm sure it varies depending on

567
00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:11.279
<v Speaker 1>how rare your car is, but just something's kind of

568
00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:14.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, in the middle, or something maybe like a

569
00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:16.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, a fifties Chevy or something like that. Is

570
00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:19.200
<v Speaker 1>it really diffinitely? Do they have much of an aftermarket

571
00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:20.440
<v Speaker 1>for parts with that?

572
00:26:21.759 --> 00:26:23.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, particularly with mechanical things.

573
00:26:23.599 --> 00:26:26.079
<v Speaker 2>One of the great pluses of owning, say a General

574
00:26:26.079 --> 00:26:29.079
<v Speaker 2>Motors product or Forward product from that era is that

575
00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:32.400
<v Speaker 2>they shared mechanical things. Engines, you know, an engine like

576
00:26:32.440 --> 00:26:34.640
<v Speaker 2>a small block Chevy was used in practically every model

577
00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:38.519
<v Speaker 2>vehicle that Chevrolet made, you know, from the fifties through

578
00:26:38.519 --> 00:26:42.000
<v Speaker 2>the sixties, seventies, and eighties, and so there is a

579
00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:45.319
<v Speaker 2>robust and abundant aftermarket as well as used market for

580
00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:49.200
<v Speaker 2>those kinds of parts. You'll have sometimes difficulty finding trim pieces,

581
00:26:49.519 --> 00:26:49.839
<v Speaker 2>you know.

582
00:26:49.799 --> 00:26:50.680
<v Speaker 3>For an odd ball make.

583
00:26:50.759 --> 00:26:53.160
<v Speaker 2>You know, say it was a one year vehicle where

584
00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:55.720
<v Speaker 2>they only had that that that grill for that one year.

585
00:26:55.759 --> 00:26:57.559
<v Speaker 2>I have that issue because my seventy six is a

586
00:26:57.640 --> 00:26:59.319
<v Speaker 2>unique front end for that for that year.

587
00:26:59.440 --> 00:27:00.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

588
00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:02.680
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes, you know, these cosmetic parts will be more difficult

589
00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:05.359
<v Speaker 2>to find, but generally, if you pick a popular vehicle

590
00:27:05.519 --> 00:27:08.200
<v Speaker 2>that was made in large numbers from that era, you're

591
00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:10.839
<v Speaker 2>not going to have any difficulty finding the necessary parts

592
00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:12.960
<v Speaker 2>that you have to have in order to keep the

593
00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:14.680
<v Speaker 2>vehicle serviceable and running.

594
00:27:15.079 --> 00:27:17.599
<v Speaker 1>That's interesting, Yeah, because I guess I certainly do see

595
00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:19.920
<v Speaker 1>a lot of classic cars right here. Yeah, I guess

596
00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:22.039
<v Speaker 1>if you had an Edsul and you got your horse

597
00:27:22.039 --> 00:27:23.079
<v Speaker 1>collar or a grill.

598
00:27:26.039 --> 00:27:27.240
<v Speaker 3>You can keep that going.

599
00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:29.799
<v Speaker 2>One of the greats Volkswagen Beetle, you know to this

600
00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:32.000
<v Speaker 2>day you can easily find any part that you need

601
00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:34.920
<v Speaker 2>to keep a beetle running. So you know, that's a

602
00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:37.960
<v Speaker 2>great choice if you just want a very basic, simple,

603
00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:39.400
<v Speaker 2>completely analog.

604
00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:41.519
<v Speaker 3>Non non digital, non data mining, non.

605
00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:45.359
<v Speaker 2>Connected car that anybody could service, if they're willing to

606
00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:47.480
<v Speaker 2>turn a screw driver or a wrench and have basic

607
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:49.200
<v Speaker 2>hand tools, that's a great choice.

608
00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:50.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Yeah, I know.

609
00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:53.680
<v Speaker 1>There's a huge aftermarket for the Mases, especially the first

610
00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:57.559
<v Speaker 1>generation of Maza that's out there. They're even doing full restorations,

611
00:27:57.680 --> 00:28:00.000
<v Speaker 1>and or at least were for a short period of time,

612
00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:01.599
<v Speaker 1>if they are still doing it now. It's a couple

613
00:28:01.640 --> 00:28:07.319
<v Speaker 1>of years ago. They're doing full factory spec restorations in Japan.

614
00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:10.920
<v Speaker 1>They would do it in Japan, and the factory itself

615
00:28:10.960 --> 00:28:12.480
<v Speaker 1>was doing it, Mazda was doing it. I don't know

616
00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:14.519
<v Speaker 1>if they're still doing that or not. Now you got

617
00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:17.079
<v Speaker 1>an article and I'm reaching back now. At the beginning

618
00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:20.759
<v Speaker 1>of August, Pontiacs were cool. I thought they were as well.

619
00:28:21.480 --> 00:28:23.799
<v Speaker 1>I was just so amazed that when they decided they're

620
00:28:23.799 --> 00:28:27.359
<v Speaker 1>going to get rid of an entire make that they

621
00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:30.599
<v Speaker 1>kept Buick and got rid of Pontiac I thought that

622
00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:33.640
<v Speaker 1>was really strange because Buick was always perceived as kind

623
00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:37.839
<v Speaker 1>of an older person's car, or it was a family car,

624
00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:40.720
<v Speaker 1>something like that, where as Pontiacs had kind of a

625
00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:42.640
<v Speaker 1>sporty panache to them.

626
00:28:42.759 --> 00:28:45.200
<v Speaker 3>Right, yep, well there's a reason for that.

627
00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:48.720
<v Speaker 2>For whatever reason, Buicks are immensely popular in China, and

628
00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:51.400
<v Speaker 2>that's where they're believe it or not, GM sells a

629
00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:53.519
<v Speaker 2>ton of Buicks in China, where it's considered kind of

630
00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:57.759
<v Speaker 2>a status vehicle to have, and all they sell here

631
00:28:57.839 --> 00:28:59.079
<v Speaker 2>are made in China.

632
00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:01.920
<v Speaker 4>Is that right? Yeah, we used to use Buick.

633
00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:04.799
<v Speaker 1>We used that as a new finism for throwing up

634
00:29:06.279 --> 00:29:07.680
<v Speaker 1>in the bathroom selling Buick's.

635
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<v Speaker 3>Now.

636
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<v Speaker 2>What's really sad though, with regard to Pontiac and Pontiac's

637
00:29:10.880 --> 00:29:13.720
<v Speaker 2>just one example of many, is that you had a

638
00:29:13.799 --> 00:29:17.240
<v Speaker 2>once distinctive brand, and in fact, Pontiac actually was literally

639
00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:19.839
<v Speaker 2>a car company at one time. It wasn't a marketing company.

640
00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:23.319
<v Speaker 2>It actually had an engineering staff and they engineered their

641
00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:25.759
<v Speaker 2>engines which were different than Chevy engines. So when you

642
00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:29.240
<v Speaker 2>bought a Pontiac, you weren't just buying a rebadge Chevy.

643
00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:31.960
<v Speaker 2>There may have been commonality of the underlying platform, but

644
00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:34.839
<v Speaker 2>it was a fundamentally different car. I'll again refer to

645
00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:38.039
<v Speaker 2>my own car. A seventy six Pontiac Transam is a

646
00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:41.359
<v Speaker 2>very different car than a seventy six Camaro. Even though

647
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:44.160
<v Speaker 2>they share a common underthing, their drive frames are different,

648
00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:46.720
<v Speaker 2>and that makes it worth buying the Pontiac.

649
00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:49.000
<v Speaker 3>You know. It's not that one's better or worse. It's

650
00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:50.359
<v Speaker 3>simply that it is different.

651
00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:54.119
<v Speaker 2>And GM actually allowed Pontiac for a great deal of

652
00:29:54.160 --> 00:29:57.640
<v Speaker 2>time to be sort of a raucous you know, go

653
00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:00.240
<v Speaker 2>get them a brand you know that that had had

654
00:30:00.799 --> 00:30:04.559
<v Speaker 2>had performance and style and attitude, kind of like what

655
00:30:04.680 --> 00:30:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Dodge was before Stilantis ruined everything. Yeah, you know, they

656
00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:11.480
<v Speaker 2>just had this great reputation for you know, not just

657
00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:13.680
<v Speaker 2>crude muscle cars, but cool muscle cars.

658
00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:15.279
<v Speaker 3>It had some panastu them, you.

659
00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:19.160
<v Speaker 2>Know, like Catalinas and Grand Prixs and of course GTOs

660
00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:21.279
<v Speaker 2>and everything, which were a little bit more refined than

661
00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:23.759
<v Speaker 2>say something like a Chevelle ass which is a great car,

662
00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:25.839
<v Speaker 2>but it's not the same thing as.

663
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:29.279
<v Speaker 4>A Gto, right right, yeah, yeah, And they just.

664
00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:30.240
<v Speaker 3>Hollowed all of this out.

665
00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:31.839
<v Speaker 2>And this was, by the way, I think the first

666
00:30:31.880 --> 00:30:37.400
<v Speaker 2>wave of casualties from compliance the reason that Pontiac ended

667
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:40.200
<v Speaker 2>up dying was because General Motors was under enormous pressure

668
00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:42.559
<v Speaker 2>to try to figure out how to get these different

669
00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:46.519
<v Speaker 2>brands Pontiac, Buick, Oldsmobile, all their different divisions that had

670
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:47.279
<v Speaker 2>different engines.

671
00:30:47.279 --> 00:30:50.400
<v Speaker 3>Each one of those engines had to be certified independently

672
00:30:50.559 --> 00:30:54.160
<v Speaker 3>by the federal government as being in compliance with the

673
00:30:54.519 --> 00:30:57.119
<v Speaker 3>stuff that costs a lot of money. So General Motors

674
00:30:57.160 --> 00:30:59.680
<v Speaker 3>made the decision, well, what we're going to do is corporatize.

675
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:03.240
<v Speaker 3>We're going to just put Chevrolet built engines in pretty

676
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:06.000
<v Speaker 3>much everything that we sell. They did this beginning in

677
00:31:06.039 --> 00:31:07.599
<v Speaker 3>the eighties, and that.

678
00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Way they only had to certify the Chevrolet engine, which

679
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:11.880
<v Speaker 2>they could put in a Pontiac and a Buick and.

680
00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:13.240
<v Speaker 3>An Oldsmobile, which is what they did.

681
00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:16.799
<v Speaker 2>But by doing that, they just gutted any reason for

682
00:31:16.839 --> 00:31:19.920
<v Speaker 2>having a Pontiac or an Oldsmobile or even a Buick.

683
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:22.039
<v Speaker 3>It's all you're getting is a Reskin Chevy with the

684
00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:23.079
<v Speaker 3>identical drive train.

685
00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:24.279
<v Speaker 4>Over and over again.

686
00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:26.680
<v Speaker 1>I tell people, you know, the real problem with industry

687
00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:30.559
<v Speaker 1>and manufacturing and innovation in the United States is the government.

688
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:34.920
<v Speaker 1>They are the biggest obstacle. They are far more destructive

689
00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:41.839
<v Speaker 1>of jobs and manufacturing than any company abroad or any

690
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:45.640
<v Speaker 1>country abroad. All this stuff about tariffs is a misdirection

691
00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:48.759
<v Speaker 1>away from the true source of the problem, which is

692
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:52.839
<v Speaker 1>government regulation. And even when they're talking about the housing crisis,

693
00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:57.279
<v Speaker 1>some people are talking about how expensive houses have become

694
00:31:57.319 --> 00:32:00.440
<v Speaker 1>because of government regulation, but the government's not talking about

695
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:03.079
<v Speaker 1>doing anything of that. They're talking about playing some financialization

696
00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:06.240
<v Speaker 1>games in terms of interest rates or subsidies or this

697
00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:08.880
<v Speaker 1>or that, but they're not going to do anything about

698
00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:12.880
<v Speaker 1>the overregulation and all the green mandates that are there.

699
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:15.440
<v Speaker 1>Trump will go the un You'll say, you're destroying your

700
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:18.279
<v Speaker 1>country with all this green stuff and everything, but he

701
00:32:18.319 --> 00:32:22.319
<v Speaker 1>won't take those regulations off of cars or homes, so

702
00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:24.039
<v Speaker 1>he can't have nice things anymore.

703
00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:25.359
<v Speaker 3>That's correct.

704
00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:29.240
<v Speaker 2>We have become as a culture so habituated to the

705
00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:31.920
<v Speaker 2>government being involved in these things, and really, I think

706
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:34.400
<v Speaker 2>that's that's the bone of the matter. Why is the

707
00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:36.000
<v Speaker 2>government involved in car design?

708
00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:36.480
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

709
00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:39.000
<v Speaker 3>You know, a good example of this is, you know.

710
00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:40.680
<v Speaker 2>The whole I wrote an article about Ralph Nader a

711
00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:43.119
<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks ago and the core of beer and

712
00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:45.440
<v Speaker 2>his allegations about the core of air being unsafe. This

713
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:47.200
<v Speaker 2>is a matter for the course, if the car is

714
00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:50.079
<v Speaker 2>unsafe and effective in some way, that can be handled

715
00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:52.200
<v Speaker 2>in tortue claims. That's the way these things ought to

716
00:32:52.200 --> 00:32:54.920
<v Speaker 2>be handled, instead of this broad brush, one size fits

717
00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:57.720
<v Speaker 2>all of the federal government decreem You know, you will

718
00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:01.039
<v Speaker 2>have this particular safety standard. It doesn't matter what you

719
00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:03.880
<v Speaker 2>know what side effects that safety standard has, even if

720
00:33:03.920 --> 00:33:06.240
<v Speaker 2>it ends up being less safe. Good example of that

721
00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:09.759
<v Speaker 2>being in the mid seventies they imposed a roof crush

722
00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:11.960
<v Speaker 2>standard on the industry. You know, the vehicle had to

723
00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:14.039
<v Speaker 2>be able to support the weight of the vehicle if

724
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:16.880
<v Speaker 2>it got turned upside down. So as a result of that,

725
00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:20.000
<v Speaker 2>you got these gigantic A, B and C pillars. Those

726
00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:21.880
<v Speaker 2>are the things that support the roof. The A pillars

727
00:33:21.880 --> 00:33:24.359
<v Speaker 2>at the basic shield be in the middle and C

728
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:27.119
<v Speaker 2>in the back instead of being you know, these these

729
00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:29.599
<v Speaker 2>thin and graceful things that you could easily look around

730
00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:32.440
<v Speaker 2>and you had this expansive view of the outside world

731
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:32.960
<v Speaker 2>around you.

732
00:33:33.319 --> 00:33:36.480
<v Speaker 3>Now you're essentially in a tank. You know, I driving

733
00:33:36.519 --> 00:33:39.079
<v Speaker 3>new cars all the time feels like you're in a tank.

734
00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:42.599
<v Speaker 2>You have essentially no visibility, often to the right and

735
00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:45.160
<v Speaker 2>to the left because of this enormous B pillar that's

736
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:46.880
<v Speaker 2>there to support the weight of the vehicle if you

737
00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:49.160
<v Speaker 2>roll it over. The problem is now when you pull

738
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:51.359
<v Speaker 2>out from a side street, you're likely to get t

739
00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:55.319
<v Speaker 2>boned because that thing is created that blind spot. You

740
00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:57.039
<v Speaker 2>didn't see the car, but it was coming at you

741
00:33:57.079 --> 00:33:57.680
<v Speaker 2>from the side.

742
00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:01.000
<v Speaker 1>That's right, Yeah, I agree. You know, how did we

743
00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:04.039
<v Speaker 1>wind up still being able to keep convertibles with that?

744
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:06.960
<v Speaker 1>I know, I've got all my convertibles. I got some

745
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:09.840
<v Speaker 1>really huge A pillars on them, but very cleverly, like

746
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:11.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, with regard to some of them.

747
00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:13.519
<v Speaker 3>You know, with Maza, the audi as you know, they

748
00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:14.320
<v Speaker 3>built a roll.

749
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:16.360
<v Speaker 2>Bar into the backs of the seats basically, that was

750
00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:18.599
<v Speaker 2>one way that they did it. Uh, And some of

751
00:34:18.599 --> 00:34:20.880
<v Speaker 2>the manufacturers took that a step farther with pop up

752
00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:22.840
<v Speaker 2>roll bars. You know, Mercedes did that with some of

753
00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:26.960
<v Speaker 2>their highest convertibles, and they also managed to reinforce the

754
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:30.239
<v Speaker 2>structure of the windshield in a way that made it.

755
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:32.440
<v Speaker 3>Supportive of the vehicle if it were to roll over.

756
00:34:33.840 --> 00:34:36.000
<v Speaker 2>But you know, it's it's just the point is the

757
00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:39.840
<v Speaker 2>government's involvement in this stuff is just so insufferably obnoxious.

758
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:42.880
<v Speaker 3>We are and to put a finer point on it.

759
00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:44.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, we talk about the government as if it's

760
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:46.960
<v Speaker 2>sort of this entity out there, and I like to

761
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:48.880
<v Speaker 2>I like to point out to be what you're really

762
00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:52.840
<v Speaker 2>talking about is a relative handful of micromanaging bureaucrats who

763
00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:56.119
<v Speaker 2>are the weavils within these regulatory bodies. You know, go

764
00:34:56.159 --> 00:34:58.199
<v Speaker 2>to the DOT or NITSA. How many people work there?

765
00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:00.559
<v Speaker 2>A few thousand. So you've got a few thousand people

766
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:04.159
<v Speaker 2>in these regulatory bodies who are dictating to three hundred

767
00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:05.360
<v Speaker 2>and thirty million people.

768
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:08.000
<v Speaker 3>You know, the design of the cars that they're allowed

769
00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:08.239
<v Speaker 3>to have.

770
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:12.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly right, I just you know, and we have

771
00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:16.239
<v Speaker 1>spineless politicians who let the bureaucrats rule over us and

772
00:35:16.320 --> 00:35:18.119
<v Speaker 1>never do anything to push back against them.

773
00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:19.519
<v Speaker 3>And that's my design.

774
00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:22.280
<v Speaker 2>You know, they've off loaded this, they'll say, Congress in particular,

775
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:24.760
<v Speaker 2>they'll say, well, I can't do anything about it, because

776
00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:28.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, the bureaucracy is responsible for that's right. But

777
00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:31.519
<v Speaker 2>you're the ones that offloaded their responsibility under the Constitution

778
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:35.280
<v Speaker 2>to legislate. You know, there's legislation and there's regulation, and

779
00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:38.239
<v Speaker 2>regulation has the force and effect of law, yet it's

780
00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:41.239
<v Speaker 2>not voted for, which means there's all accountability. You know,

781
00:35:41.320 --> 00:35:43.800
<v Speaker 2>you can't out, you can't vote out of office an

782
00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:45.239
<v Speaker 2>epa apparatuip.

783
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:48.039
<v Speaker 1>You know, they claim that they're not responsible for it,

784
00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:50.960
<v Speaker 1>even though, as you point out, they delegate this to them. Yes,

785
00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:53.280
<v Speaker 1>then you know something gets really bad and there's a

786
00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:56.760
<v Speaker 1>huge outroar uproar about that, then they can come in

787
00:35:56.840 --> 00:35:59.960
<v Speaker 1>and say, Okay, we're going to save you from these

788
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:03.719
<v Speaker 1>bad guy as a regulator. So it's a very calculated

789
00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:05.239
<v Speaker 1>political ploy, isn't it.

790
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:06.880
<v Speaker 4>And I think we got do We have a couple

791
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:08.280
<v Speaker 4>of comments of questions for him.

792
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:11.360
<v Speaker 5>Good to talk to you, Ra servis here got citizen

793
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:14.960
<v Speaker 5>Draccaka says Eric, would he'd like you to speak on

794
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:17.000
<v Speaker 5>the fact they were trying to pass legislation so you'll

795
00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:19.159
<v Speaker 5>be able to ensure a car that's over twenty five

796
00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:22.559
<v Speaker 5>years old, which is just utterly ridiculous because of course

797
00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:25.079
<v Speaker 5>we know that twenty five years ago all calls cars

798
00:36:25.079 --> 00:36:25.800
<v Speaker 5>were death traps.

799
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:27.239
<v Speaker 6>People were dying left and right.

800
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:29.679
<v Speaker 5>It's only within the past few years that the cars

801
00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:31.599
<v Speaker 5>have become safe at all and people can drive him

802
00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:33.000
<v Speaker 5>without living in constant fear.

803
00:36:33.400 --> 00:36:38.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and on that same line, Eric, California, just you know,

804
00:36:38.800 --> 00:36:41.599
<v Speaker 1>they wanted to it's missions. I think that they had

805
00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:44.440
<v Speaker 1>there and it was like a thirty five year moving average,

806
00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:48.000
<v Speaker 1>and they were trying to adjust that a little bit,

807
00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:50.679
<v Speaker 1>and they shut it down the huge blow. It's Jay

808
00:36:50.719 --> 00:36:52.639
<v Speaker 1>Leno's law. Maybe you heard about that.

809
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:56.360
<v Speaker 3>Surely, surely punitive and vindictive. Yeah, Leno, I think learned

810
00:36:56.360 --> 00:36:57.199
<v Speaker 3>a valuable lesson.

811
00:36:57.199 --> 00:36:57.400
<v Speaker 4>You know.

812
00:36:57.480 --> 00:36:59.800
<v Speaker 2>I think he, in his innocence, might have believed that

813
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:05.400
<v Speaker 2>national considerations and reasonable considerations might cause the California legislature

814
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:08.599
<v Speaker 2>and Regulatory apparat to agree that, yeah, you know, vehicles

815
00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:12.320
<v Speaker 2>that are thirty five years old are constitute a very

816
00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:15.840
<v Speaker 2>small minority of the vehicles that are in use as

817
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:19.840
<v Speaker 2>daily transportation, and so yeah, we'll exempt them, as most

818
00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:23.039
<v Speaker 2>states do, from having to go in from emissions testing.

819
00:37:23.760 --> 00:37:25.800
<v Speaker 2>This is purely punitive because they want to push these

820
00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:29.599
<v Speaker 2>cars off the road, and it's particularly egregious in California

821
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:32.239
<v Speaker 2>because it's not even a matter of whether you pass

822
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:34.639
<v Speaker 2>the tailpipe sniffer test. You know, when you bring your

823
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:36.639
<v Speaker 2>car into the inspection station and they put the probe

824
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:39.880
<v Speaker 2>in the tailplay and in most states, if it passes

825
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:42.960
<v Speaker 2>that you pass, and you get your sticker in California,

826
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:45.719
<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter whether you pass the tailpipe sniffer test if

827
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:49.559
<v Speaker 2>any of the factory original emissions equipment has been tampered with,

828
00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:51.960
<v Speaker 2>altered or removed. Now what that means you're talking about

829
00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:53.360
<v Speaker 2>the thirty five year old car, or how about a

830
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:56.599
<v Speaker 2>fifty year old car, and maybe the original smog pump

831
00:37:56.679 --> 00:37:59.280
<v Speaker 2>or EGR system had to be replaced because it's a

832
00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:01.760
<v Speaker 2>thirty five year old vehicle. Thirty five year old? Well

833
00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:04.360
<v Speaker 2>what if there is no aftermarket replacement? And more finally,

834
00:38:04.360 --> 00:38:08.159
<v Speaker 2>in California, every aftermarket replacement has to have a California

835
00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:12.079
<v Speaker 2>Air Resources Board number, a certification that it's been approved

836
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:14.679
<v Speaker 2>by CAR. So if it doesn't have that, even if

837
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:17.360
<v Speaker 2>everything works, and even if the emissions are with inspect,

838
00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:20.079
<v Speaker 2>they will still fail the vehicle on the basis of

839
00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:23.559
<v Speaker 2>failing the visual and not having the CARB approved replacement part.

840
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:27.360
<v Speaker 2>So this is purely, purely punitive and vindictive. And I

841
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:30.800
<v Speaker 2>do see this sort of thing expanding. You know, they're

842
00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:33.079
<v Speaker 2>going to start targeting cars and they're going to say

843
00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:36.280
<v Speaker 2>we can't permit vehicles that don't have the latest advanced

844
00:38:36.360 --> 00:38:39.840
<v Speaker 2>driver assistance technology to be on the road, you know,

845
00:38:39.880 --> 00:38:42.039
<v Speaker 2>because of the threat that they present and the people

846
00:38:42.079 --> 00:38:43.599
<v Speaker 2>are going to die. That's the sort of thing that

847
00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:45.239
<v Speaker 2>I foresee that they're going to start doing in the

848
00:38:45.239 --> 00:38:45.960
<v Speaker 2>next few years.

849
00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, yeah. And it's kind of interesting too, because

850
00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:52.519
<v Speaker 1>when I was doing modifications to Mimiada about seven years ago,

851
00:38:53.679 --> 00:38:56.320
<v Speaker 1>the companies I was getting the aftermarket parts on which

852
00:38:56.360 --> 00:38:59.400
<v Speaker 1>were taking those parts that you just mentioned and pitching

853
00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:03.360
<v Speaker 1>them completely. But they were based in California, and I thought,

854
00:39:03.400 --> 00:39:05.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, this is kind of interesting. They can't sell

855
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:08.239
<v Speaker 1>their own product. Even at that time, many of their

856
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:10.760
<v Speaker 1>things were not CARB compliant, and they couldn't sell them

857
00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:14.000
<v Speaker 1>and to people who lived in California, only to people

858
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:15.719
<v Speaker 1>who lived outside of California.

859
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:18.440
<v Speaker 4>But it's getting much much worse, you know.

860
00:39:18.639 --> 00:39:20.360
<v Speaker 2>You know onmmon thread that runs through all of this

861
00:39:20.639 --> 00:39:24.239
<v Speaker 2>is that there's no requirement that tangible harm.

862
00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:27.480
<v Speaker 3>Be produced, in other words, a victim.

863
00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:31.079
<v Speaker 2>A really fine example of this is the crucification of Volkswagen,

864
00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:34.039
<v Speaker 2>and I revisited that issue recently in a column. It's

865
00:39:34.079 --> 00:39:36.599
<v Speaker 2>been about ten years now since Volkswagen got raped over

866
00:39:36.639 --> 00:39:40.480
<v Speaker 2>the coals for cheating on federal emission certification tests.

867
00:39:40.679 --> 00:39:41.800
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and you know.

868
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:43.599
<v Speaker 2>At the time and even to this day, I continue

869
00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:45.519
<v Speaker 2>to ask, well, who was hurt by any of this?

870
00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:47.760
<v Speaker 2>All the The only thing that happened was that the

871
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:52.239
<v Speaker 2>government was affronted. You know, Volkswagen, like every other vehicle manufacturer,

872
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:55.599
<v Speaker 2>programmed its vehicles to pass the test. That's the whole

873
00:39:55.599 --> 00:39:57.800
<v Speaker 2>points They made it so they would pass that. And

874
00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:01.360
<v Speaker 2>not only this is an important point, the federal emission

875
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:04.760
<v Speaker 2>certification test. Nobody ever disputed these vehicles when they were

876
00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:07.639
<v Speaker 2>bought and put into service in states where people had

877
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:09.159
<v Speaker 2>to go to get emissions testing, you know, at the

878
00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:09.880
<v Speaker 2>state level, and.

879
00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:12.000
<v Speaker 3>Get the tailpipe probe put in. They all passed.

880
00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:17.599
<v Speaker 2>The only kerfluffle happened after this independent lab subjected the

881
00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:21.360
<v Speaker 2>cars to an entirely different test that found that, under

882
00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:24.800
<v Speaker 2>certain operating conditions, oh my gosh, the vehicle will emit

883
00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:29.440
<v Speaker 2>slightly higher fractionally higher amounts of oxides of nitrogen.

884
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:32.719
<v Speaker 3>Which is a regulated emission for EPA. And the amount

885
00:40:32.760 --> 00:40:33.400
<v Speaker 3>was minuscule.

886
00:40:33.440 --> 00:40:36.239
<v Speaker 2>It was literally a fraction of a fraction, in other words,

887
00:40:36.400 --> 00:40:39.239
<v Speaker 2>something that was meaningless in terms of whether it was

888
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:40.960
<v Speaker 2>hurting anybody didn't matter.

889
00:40:41.079 --> 00:40:43.320
<v Speaker 1>It was so draconian. You and I talked about this

890
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:46.280
<v Speaker 1>many times. It was so draconian. That it was clear

891
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:48.480
<v Speaker 1>that it wasn't about what they said it was about.

892
00:40:48.880 --> 00:40:51.920
<v Speaker 1>It was really about, as we said, getting rid of diesel.

893
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:55.159
<v Speaker 1>I mean, they had criminal charges against executives. It was

894
00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:58.199
<v Speaker 1>something like four billion dollars if I remember correctly. It

895
00:40:58.239 --> 00:41:00.320
<v Speaker 1>was outrageous what they were doing, and we talked about that,

896
00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:02.599
<v Speaker 1>how you didn't see anything at all like that with

897
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:05.480
<v Speaker 1>the Takata air bags that were blowing up spontaneously and

898
00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:09.559
<v Speaker 1>killing people, or with the Pinto you know, and the

899
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:14.320
<v Speaker 1>deliberate exclusion of some devices that would keep that explosion

900
00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:17.960
<v Speaker 1>from happening. So it was something that we've never seen before,

901
00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:20.880
<v Speaker 1>even when human lives were at stake, and there was

902
00:41:20.880 --> 00:41:23.280
<v Speaker 1>nobody that was harmed by any of this stuff.

903
00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:26.639
<v Speaker 2>Well, the reason why they did it, though, it wasn't

904
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:30.280
<v Speaker 2>just that it was diesel. It was that Volkswagen uniquely

905
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:34.599
<v Speaker 2>was selling a lineup of very affordable diesels as recently

906
00:41:34.599 --> 00:41:35.400
<v Speaker 2>as twenty fifteen.

907
00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:36.480
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's ten years ago.

908
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:39.280
<v Speaker 2>Not even you could have bought a brand new Volkswagen

909
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:42.159
<v Speaker 2>Jetto with a TDI engine for about twenty two thousand dollars.

910
00:41:42.639 --> 00:41:44.960
<v Speaker 2>Now that whole car had a seven hundred mile driving

911
00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:47.360
<v Speaker 2>range and would get fifty plus miles per gallon on

912
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:49.840
<v Speaker 2>the highway and could probably be counted on to go

913
00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:53.239
<v Speaker 2>for three hundred thousand miles or more. Now, it's a

914
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:56.000
<v Speaker 2>curious coincidence, isn't it, that around the same time the

915
00:41:56.039 --> 00:41:59.639
<v Speaker 2>Volkswagen started getting raped over the coals over this emissions

916
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:02.880
<v Speaker 2>cheating thing. That's when the big push for evs began,

917
00:42:03.039 --> 00:42:06.360
<v Speaker 2>right around that time, around twenty thirteen. And I think

918
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:08.440
<v Speaker 2>the reason that they went after Volkswagen was because they

919
00:42:08.480 --> 00:42:11.599
<v Speaker 2>could not abide the comparison. You know, on the one hand,

920
00:42:11.639 --> 00:42:14.639
<v Speaker 2>twenty two thousand dollars Jetta TDI seven hundred mile range,

921
00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:17.440
<v Speaker 2>refill it in three minutes, keep it for twenty years,

922
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:20.000
<v Speaker 2>drive it for three hundred thousand miles. On the other hand,

923
00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:23.280
<v Speaker 2>Tesla Model three, fifty thousand dollars car that goes maybe

924
00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:25.840
<v Speaker 2>two hundred and seventy miles and is going to need

925
00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:28.880
<v Speaker 2>a new fifteen thousand dollars battery after eight years. It

926
00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:31.199
<v Speaker 2>just would have been a harder sell. So they had

927
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:33.719
<v Speaker 2>to go after Volkswagen. I think, you know, if Volkswagen

928
00:42:33.760 --> 00:42:36.760
<v Speaker 2>had continued making engines like that, other manufacturers would have

929
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:39.760
<v Speaker 2>started to do the same. In fact, Chevy did chevro Letty.

930
00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:42.480
<v Speaker 2>You could get a Malibu diesel for a little while there,

931
00:42:42.519 --> 00:42:44.719
<v Speaker 2>and other manufacturers would have done it because it's appealing.

932
00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:46.880
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I like the idea of a.

933
00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:48.679
<v Speaker 2>You know, brand new twenty two thousand dollars car that

934
00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:51.559
<v Speaker 2>gets fifty something miles per gallan seven hundred miles. You know,

935
00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:54.360
<v Speaker 2>diesel is great. You know, it's a wonderful option for

936
00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:58.599
<v Speaker 2>people who want a durable, long legged, long lived vehicle.

937
00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:00.519
<v Speaker 2>So naturally they had to take that away from us.

938
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:03.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, checked all the boxes in terms of competition with

939
00:43:03.559 --> 00:43:09.000
<v Speaker 1>the electric vehicles, as you point out, is durability, reliability, affordability, range,

940
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:09.840
<v Speaker 1>It was all there.

941
00:43:10.719 --> 00:43:12.599
<v Speaker 4>So I had to go. It really had to go.

942
00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:15.280
<v Speaker 1>They've got an agenda, and they don't want you to

943
00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:17.400
<v Speaker 1>have something that you can afford. They don't want you

944
00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:20.199
<v Speaker 1>to have a long range because they want to keep

945
00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:23.440
<v Speaker 1>you on a short rope where they're smart city and

946
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:26.400
<v Speaker 1>they're probably geo fencing to make sure that you can't

947
00:43:26.400 --> 00:43:29.679
<v Speaker 1>buy anything outside of your approved city and that type

948
00:43:29.719 --> 00:43:30.000
<v Speaker 1>of thing.

949
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:31.159
<v Speaker 4>It's just amazing.

950
00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:34.639
<v Speaker 2>Really, it's a really important thing for people to understand,

951
00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:37.239
<v Speaker 2>and it's a difficult thing to understand because the undercurrent

952
00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:40.079
<v Speaker 2>of malevolence that's there is difficult for most people to

953
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:43.519
<v Speaker 2>come to grips with, but it's almost axiomatic that you

954
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:47.320
<v Speaker 2>cannot have an authoritarian system in which people are still

955
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:50.559
<v Speaker 2>free to move about as they like on their own initiative,

956
00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:54.800
<v Speaker 2>in their own vehicle, unsupervised, unmonitored, and uncontrolled. In order

957
00:43:54.800 --> 00:43:58.760
<v Speaker 2>for them to impose a truly authoritarian system on Americans,

958
00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:02.599
<v Speaker 2>they have got to get control over transportation and particularly

959
00:44:02.840 --> 00:44:06.679
<v Speaker 2>personal transportation. And when you filter everything that's going on

960
00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:08.760
<v Speaker 2>through that, everything becomes comprehensible.

961
00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:09.519
<v Speaker 4>That's right.

962
00:44:09.880 --> 00:44:12.119
<v Speaker 1>I tell people all the time. The TSA is a

963
00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:16.719
<v Speaker 1>transportation security agency, right, it's not the airport security agency.

964
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:18.719
<v Speaker 4>And they want to do that.

965
00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:22.280
<v Speaker 1>They want to eliminate the private vehicles so that everything

966
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:26.960
<v Speaker 1>becomes like the airport. If you like that, certainly you'll

967
00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:28.920
<v Speaker 1>be able to keep that authoritarian government. If you like

968
00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:31.440
<v Speaker 1>your authoritarian government, you can keep it, or they'll keep

969
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:31.920
<v Speaker 1>it for you.

970
00:44:33.800 --> 00:44:36.840
<v Speaker 5>With something like geo fencing and the tesla's, they can

971
00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:39.519
<v Speaker 5>just simply section you off, say oh no, your car

972
00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:40.719
<v Speaker 5>just simply will not go there.

973
00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:43.400
<v Speaker 6>You turn it that way. No, we're going to autopilot

974
00:44:43.440 --> 00:44:46.559
<v Speaker 6>you back into your safe zone. You're not allowed over here.

975
00:44:46.599 --> 00:44:48.079
<v Speaker 6>You're not allowed to go this fhe.

976
00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:49.599
<v Speaker 1>And you won't have enough range really to get out

977
00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:51.480
<v Speaker 1>of there anyway. You know, it's fifteen minute city.

978
00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:54.880
<v Speaker 2>That's about how creepy it is. And it's incredible, al Blase.

979
00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:57.480
<v Speaker 2>So many Americans are, they think even if they're aware

980
00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:00.000
<v Speaker 2>of it, they will say, oh, that would never happen,

981
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:02.400
<v Speaker 2>and they would never do that to us.

982
00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:05.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, Eric, about ten years ago, I went

983
00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:08.800
<v Speaker 1>to an auto show in Texas. I start, yeah, a

984
00:45:08.800 --> 00:45:12.159
<v Speaker 1>long Star round up. It's a real big classic show,

985
00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:15.119
<v Speaker 1>and I think it's got to be an America made car,

986
00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:21.559
<v Speaker 1>and it's got to be They don't include the it's

987
00:45:21.599 --> 00:45:24.639
<v Speaker 1>got to be older than the Mustangs. Older than sixty four.

988
00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:27.239
<v Speaker 1>Sixty five is a cutoff, right, So they didn't want

989
00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:29.280
<v Speaker 1>to take it at that point.

990
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:31.639
<v Speaker 4>But there's a lot of modification to.

991
00:45:31.599 --> 00:45:34.079
<v Speaker 1>Them, and a lot of rat rods that are out there,

992
00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:38.559
<v Speaker 1>you know, really grungy cars that people kept going and modified.

993
00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:40.679
<v Speaker 1>I went around and I talked to all these people

994
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:43.400
<v Speaker 1>and they were all different ages. You know, people had

995
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:46.039
<v Speaker 1>cars they were seventeen or eighteen years old that they

996
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:48.559
<v Speaker 1>had fixed up up to people who retirees and I

997
00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:50.840
<v Speaker 1>asked them all, do you think the government is going

998
00:45:50.960 --> 00:45:54.079
<v Speaker 1>to make private cars go away and gasoline cars go away?

999
00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:54.559
<v Speaker 4>Oh?

1000
00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:57.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they all said, And to a man, they pretty

1001
00:45:57.360 --> 00:46:00.239
<v Speaker 1>much all said, including like seventeen eight year olds, It'll

1002
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:04.320
<v Speaker 1>never happen in my lifetime. It's like, man, the disconnect

1003
00:46:04.360 --> 00:46:06.639
<v Speaker 1>that was there at that time was just that was

1004
00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:08.679
<v Speaker 1>the most you know, the cars are interesting, but the

1005
00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:11.559
<v Speaker 1>most interesting thing was how these people had lied to

1006
00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:17.320
<v Speaker 1>themselves about the government's intentions and its abilities to rob

1007
00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:20.280
<v Speaker 1>them of their mobility. It truly is amazing.

1008
00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:24.239
<v Speaker 2>The intentions were always there. I think the technology has

1009
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:27.360
<v Speaker 2>made it much more feasible to fast track things. They

1010
00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:29.360
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't have been able to do what they have wanted

1011
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:31.880
<v Speaker 2>to do for fifty years, you know, back in the

1012
00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:34.599
<v Speaker 2>eighties and nineties, or even the early two thousands, But now,

1013
00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:39.519
<v Speaker 2>particularly within the last ten years, they have now got

1014
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:44.000
<v Speaker 2>the ability to utterly and completely control vehicles to a

1015
00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:47.039
<v Speaker 2>degree that most people would not believe until they have

1016
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:47.719
<v Speaker 2>to deal with it.

1017
00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:47.920
<v Speaker 4>You know.

1018
00:46:48.239 --> 00:46:49.840
<v Speaker 3>I give various examples.

1019
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:52.199
<v Speaker 2>One is the illusion that you have in a modern

1020
00:46:52.239 --> 00:46:54.840
<v Speaker 2>car that you're controlling how fast you drive.

1021
00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:55.199
<v Speaker 4>You're not.

1022
00:46:55.519 --> 00:46:57.440
<v Speaker 3>When you push down on the accelerator pedal.

1023
00:46:57.480 --> 00:47:00.039
<v Speaker 2>All you're doing is feeding data to the computer, and

1024
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:02.840
<v Speaker 2>you're not connected to the engine, to a cable system

1025
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:06.360
<v Speaker 2>and a throttle any longer. You're sending data to a computer,

1026
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:09.159
<v Speaker 2>and the computer then is telling the engine, okay, increase

1027
00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:11.960
<v Speaker 2>the RPMs or to a certain amount to give you

1028
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:15.559
<v Speaker 2>the illusion that you're the one who's controlling the car.

1029
00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:18.440
<v Speaker 2>I had a Ford expedition a couple of weeks ago,

1030
00:47:19.039 --> 00:47:20.760
<v Speaker 2>and I was, this is a big vehicle, big SUV,

1031
00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:22.599
<v Speaker 2>and I'm trying to back the thing up in my driveway.

1032
00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:24.360
<v Speaker 3>Now I've lived where I lived for twenty years. I

1033
00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:26.840
<v Speaker 3>know my driveway. There's a big.

1034
00:47:26.679 --> 00:47:29.079
<v Speaker 2>Bush at the one side of my driveway, and I know,

1035
00:47:29.239 --> 00:47:32.159
<v Speaker 2>because again I've been doing it for twenty years, exactly

1036
00:47:32.199 --> 00:47:35.079
<v Speaker 2>how far I can back up before I hit that bush.

1037
00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:38.480
<v Speaker 2>But the Ford slams on the brakes a couple of

1038
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:42.599
<v Speaker 2>feet before I get anywhere near the bush. Because again safety,

1039
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:44.840
<v Speaker 2>but you know, read dig down and.

1040
00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:45.800
<v Speaker 3>To think about what that means.

1041
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:48.960
<v Speaker 2>The vehicle can decide that it's going to stop, you know,

1042
00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:52.639
<v Speaker 2>entering your will. It's going to exercise control, and bit

1043
00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:54.519
<v Speaker 2>by bit they're doing this. I had an article look

1044
00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:57.480
<v Speaker 2>the other day about this speed limit assistance technology. I

1045
00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:00.519
<v Speaker 2>love how they call it assistance technology, Like you didn't

1046
00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:02.920
<v Speaker 2>know you were driving faster than the speed limit, and

1047
00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:04.920
<v Speaker 2>now the car is well, oh, thank you so much

1048
00:48:04.960 --> 00:48:07.360
<v Speaker 2>car for telling me that I'm driving faster than the

1049
00:48:07.400 --> 00:48:09.440
<v Speaker 2>speed limit. And you know, first they try to shame you.

1050
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:11.519
<v Speaker 2>There's a little icon that pops up in the dashboard

1051
00:48:11.519 --> 00:48:14.440
<v Speaker 2>that shows us a speed limit sign and it goes red.

1052
00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:16.440
<v Speaker 2>You know you're driving faster than the speed limit. And

1053
00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:18.800
<v Speaker 2>sometimes there's a chime that companies it. And this is

1054
00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:21.239
<v Speaker 2>weirdly standard now on all the vehicles. Why is that,

1055
00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:24.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's not optional for people who need assistance.

1056
00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:25.960
<v Speaker 2>If I need assistance, oh I love that, I'll buy

1057
00:48:25.960 --> 00:48:29.159
<v Speaker 2>some assistance. No, they're making it standard because what they're

1058
00:48:29.159 --> 00:48:34.079
<v Speaker 2>doing is in classic Fabian socialist style, slowly, bit by bit,

1059
00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:36.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, getting people used to this stuff, and the

1060
00:48:36.800 --> 00:48:39.639
<v Speaker 2>next step will be not just assisting you to know

1061
00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:41.800
<v Speaker 2>that you're driving faster than the speed limit, it will

1062
00:48:41.800 --> 00:48:44.840
<v Speaker 2>be preventing you from driving any faster than the speed

1063
00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:47.440
<v Speaker 2>limit by using the drive by wire throttle, by using

1064
00:48:47.480 --> 00:48:51.599
<v Speaker 2>the electrically controlled braking system to prevent you from doing it.

1065
00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:54.639
<v Speaker 2>And what they're doing with that is making driving such

1066
00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:58.480
<v Speaker 2>a it's no longer fun. You feel like you're guarented.

1067
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:01.039
<v Speaker 2>You feel like you're a kindergartener again. And that's the

1068
00:49:01.159 --> 00:49:03.159
<v Speaker 2>really they want you to just say, you know, the

1069
00:49:03.199 --> 00:49:03.559
<v Speaker 2>heck with it?

1070
00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:04.039
<v Speaker 4>Why am I?

1071
00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:06.320
<v Speaker 2>Why am I signing up for a seven hundred dollars

1072
00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:08.239
<v Speaker 2>a month loan for the next six years. I don't

1073
00:49:08.239 --> 00:49:10.800
<v Speaker 2>even control the car. The car nags me and pesters

1074
00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:12.320
<v Speaker 2>me all the time, it tells me what to do.

1075
00:49:12.519 --> 00:49:13.079
<v Speaker 3>The heck with it.

1076
00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:14.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm just going to get my app on my phone

1077
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:17.280
<v Speaker 2>and I'll tap it and I'll get my pride.

1078
00:49:17.559 --> 00:49:18.639
<v Speaker 4>That's right. Yeah.

1079
00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:22.320
<v Speaker 1>The comedian British comedian Ruin Atkinson who plays mister Bean.

1080
00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:26.280
<v Speaker 1>He was an engineer before he became a comedian, and

1081
00:49:26.360 --> 00:49:29.079
<v Speaker 1>he's got a lot he loves cars, and he's got

1082
00:49:29.079 --> 00:49:32.199
<v Speaker 1>a lot of very expensive hypercards. And he said, well,

1083
00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:35.880
<v Speaker 1>you don't really drive these so much as you manage them,

1084
00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:39.320
<v Speaker 1>because there's so much drive by wire stuff in it.

1085
00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:42.840
<v Speaker 1>And I remember when Michael Hastings was killed, and I

1086
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:44.639
<v Speaker 1>think he was killed. I don't think it was an accident,

1087
00:49:45.119 --> 00:49:48.400
<v Speaker 1>and he was He had rented a late model Mercedes

1088
00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:52.400
<v Speaker 1>when that happened, and he was he thought that people

1089
00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:54.360
<v Speaker 1>were after him with the government because of what he

1090
00:49:54.519 --> 00:49:56.519
<v Speaker 1>was reporting on, and he had a lot of death

1091
00:49:56.519 --> 00:50:00.440
<v Speaker 1>threats from the government, and so he going out to

1092
00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:02.719
<v Speaker 1>his car. A landlady said he you go out to

1093
00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:04.119
<v Speaker 1>the car and you look underneath it and all this

1094
00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:05.960
<v Speaker 1>other kind of stuff to see if there was some

1095
00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:09.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of a bomb on it. But they you know,

1096
00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:12.920
<v Speaker 1>when you have the when the computer is able to

1097
00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:15.760
<v Speaker 1>control your acceleration, you're braking, you're steering, and all these

1098
00:50:15.760 --> 00:50:19.760
<v Speaker 1>other things, it's very, very easy to assassinate somebody that way.

1099
00:50:19.840 --> 00:50:23.639
<v Speaker 1>And they have illustrated over and over again at the

1100
00:50:24.039 --> 00:50:27.079
<v Speaker 1>black Hat conference in Vegas how easy it is to

1101
00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:30.119
<v Speaker 1>hack one of these cars as well, because they're also online,

1102
00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:33.440
<v Speaker 1>so everything is under computer control and it's also online,

1103
00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:38.280
<v Speaker 1>so any bad actor, especially the government, can jump into

1104
00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:40.159
<v Speaker 1>this thing and do whatever they wish. They can shut

1105
00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:42.360
<v Speaker 1>you down, or if they want to, they can try

1106
00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:44.800
<v Speaker 1>to make it look like it was an accident. This

1107
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:46.280
<v Speaker 1>is the type of thing we've been seeing for a

1108
00:50:46.320 --> 00:50:49.400
<v Speaker 1>long time. Yeah, you had your article when you're talking

1109
00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:53.280
<v Speaker 1>about the insurance, when will people decide to stop paying?

1110
00:50:53.679 --> 00:50:55.599
<v Speaker 1>And you talk about the fact that you've got an

1111
00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:58.519
<v Speaker 1>antique car, you drive it three hundred miles a year

1112
00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:01.320
<v Speaker 1>and stay within about a ten miles of your home

1113
00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:04.519
<v Speaker 1>in rural Virginia, And why should you have to pay

1114
00:51:04.519 --> 00:51:07.360
<v Speaker 1>insurance for that? That should be your decision for that.

1115
00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:12.320
<v Speaker 1>But of course it is this corporate government fascism that

1116
00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:14.119
<v Speaker 1>we see over and over again where they force you

1117
00:51:14.159 --> 00:51:15.480
<v Speaker 1>to buy their product, isn't.

1118
00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:16.920
<v Speaker 3>It It is?

1119
00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:20.280
<v Speaker 2>And now they are using insurance to price people out

1120
00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:23.840
<v Speaker 2>of vehicle ownership. Yeah, everybody you probably had this happen

1121
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:27.280
<v Speaker 2>to you as well, has had their premium increase by

1122
00:51:27.360 --> 00:51:29.480
<v Speaker 2>on average twenty five to thirty percent and in some

1123
00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:32.800
<v Speaker 2>cases fifty percent or more for absolutely no reason having

1124
00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:34.960
<v Speaker 2>to do with anything they did in terms of having

1125
00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:36.719
<v Speaker 2>an accident, filing a claim anything, or.

1126
00:51:36.719 --> 00:51:39.400
<v Speaker 3>Even a speeding ticket. You get the notice in the

1127
00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:41.199
<v Speaker 3>mail and all of a sudden, your premium.

1128
00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:44.239
<v Speaker 2>Is double what it was the year prior. Why because

1129
00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:46.280
<v Speaker 2>they can, you know, because they don't have the option

1130
00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:48.559
<v Speaker 2>to say no. Imagine what a cup of coffee would

1131
00:51:48.559 --> 00:51:50.960
<v Speaker 2>cost if the government said you have to go to Starbucks.

1132
00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:53.440
<v Speaker 3>You caucify a cup of.

1133
00:51:53.320 --> 00:51:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Starbucks coffee at least once a week. You know, we'd

1134
00:51:55.840 --> 00:51:58.199
<v Speaker 2>be paying ten dollars for a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

1135
00:51:58.480 --> 00:51:59.960
<v Speaker 4>That's exactly where we are, isn't it.

1136
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:02.679
<v Speaker 2>That's essentially where we are with this. And I think,

1137
00:52:03.000 --> 00:52:04.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, we are getting to a point. You know,

1138
00:52:04.679 --> 00:52:06.440
<v Speaker 2>I have my ear to the ground about things like this.

1139
00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:09.679
<v Speaker 2>And it's also my own personal opinion that everybody's feeling

1140
00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:11.639
<v Speaker 2>pinched because of the cost of everything.

1141
00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:13.679
<v Speaker 1>Everything's going up and they don't include it, and the

1142
00:52:14.119 --> 00:52:15.679
<v Speaker 1>evaluation of inflation either be.

1143
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:18.360
<v Speaker 2>The this and so you know, when it comes down

1144
00:52:18.400 --> 00:52:21.000
<v Speaker 2>to a choice between you know, obeying the law and

1145
00:52:21.400 --> 00:52:24.400
<v Speaker 2>handing a check over to these insurance mobsters for a

1146
00:52:24.480 --> 00:52:26.639
<v Speaker 2>large sum of money that could be used to pay

1147
00:52:26.639 --> 00:52:29.440
<v Speaker 2>your electric bill, or you know, for your family, what's

1148
00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:31.920
<v Speaker 2>the choice. Well, you know, probably a lot of people

1149
00:52:31.960 --> 00:52:33.119
<v Speaker 2>are going to say, you know what, I'm going to

1150
00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:35.440
<v Speaker 2>buy food for my family instead of sending this check

1151
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:36.760
<v Speaker 2>to all State or Geicoe.

1152
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:38.800
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and so what.

1153
00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:42.119
<v Speaker 2>You know, I mean, the illegal aliens can with impunity

1154
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:44.159
<v Speaker 2>because they you know, they can't they can't get blood

1155
00:52:44.159 --> 00:52:45.239
<v Speaker 2>out of a stone, can they.

1156
00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:48.039
<v Speaker 3>You know, they don't have any access disease. So and

1157
00:52:48.079 --> 00:52:49.159
<v Speaker 3>I'm not I'm really I'm not.

1158
00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:51.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm not disparaging people who are in that category because

1159
00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:53.639
<v Speaker 2>I understand people are trying to improve their lives and

1160
00:52:53.679 --> 00:52:55.960
<v Speaker 2>all of that. Just trying to make the point that

1161
00:52:56.480 --> 00:52:59.039
<v Speaker 2>there are no consequences for those people. You know, if

1162
00:52:59.360 --> 00:53:01.239
<v Speaker 2>if they want to go out and drive without insurance

1163
00:53:01.280 --> 00:53:04.119
<v Speaker 2>and hit you and wreck you, they'll walk away from

1164
00:53:04.119 --> 00:53:05.679
<v Speaker 2>it and the state will do nothing about it. But

1165
00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:07.960
<v Speaker 2>you and I we don't hit anybody, you know, we

1166
00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:10.679
<v Speaker 2>haven't caused any problems for anybody. But we didn't hand

1167
00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:14.000
<v Speaker 2>over the money to the mobsters. They'll cancel your driver's license,

1168
00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:16.760
<v Speaker 2>they'll cancel your registration, and if they catch you driving,

1169
00:53:17.039 --> 00:53:19.840
<v Speaker 2>they'll know impound your vehicle and potentially arrest you for it.

1170
00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:22.559
<v Speaker 1>That's absolutely right. Yeah, you're absolutely right. That's the way

1171
00:53:22.559 --> 00:53:25.159
<v Speaker 1>it works. It's a two tier standard already in many

1172
00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:27.480
<v Speaker 1>different areas that we've got in this country. Well, well

1173
00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:30.280
<v Speaker 1>at a time. It's always great having you on, Eric.

1174
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Anything you want to tell us about what's happening with

1175
00:53:32.480 --> 00:53:33.760
<v Speaker 1>your website.

1176
00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:36.639
<v Speaker 3>Oh, well, nothing more than what's on there. You know.

1177
00:53:36.719 --> 00:53:38.880
<v Speaker 2>I posted an article this morning. It's more of a

1178
00:53:38.920 --> 00:53:41.159
<v Speaker 2>thought piece about how we're all kind of in this

1179
00:53:41.199 --> 00:53:42.280
<v Speaker 2>bad marriage situation.

1180
00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:43.000
<v Speaker 3>In this country.

1181
00:53:43.400 --> 00:53:46.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, yeah, Trump is the guy who has bad marriages.

1182
00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:49.280
<v Speaker 4>He specializes in that, doesn't he Well.

1183
00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:51.880
<v Speaker 2>Isn't it interesting that for the most part, most people

1184
00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:53.760
<v Speaker 2>will say, okay, you know, if you have a situation

1185
00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:55.320
<v Speaker 2>where a couple just can't.

1186
00:53:55.079 --> 00:53:56.800
<v Speaker 3>Work it out, they're at odds.

1187
00:53:57.360 --> 00:53:59.400
<v Speaker 2>You know, nobody would say, well, they have to stay

1188
00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:01.800
<v Speaker 2>married and be miserable for the rest of their lives.

1189
00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:04.519
<v Speaker 2>People accept that sometimes marriages don't work and you know,

1190
00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:06.760
<v Speaker 2>there's a divorce. It's not a happy thing, but it's

1191
00:54:06.760 --> 00:54:11.039
<v Speaker 2>better than forcing people who can't live together to live together. Well, politically,

1192
00:54:11.079 --> 00:54:12.719
<v Speaker 2>somehow that seems to be off the table.

1193
00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:13.360
<v Speaker 4>Why is that?

1194
00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:14.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, we're at a point in this country with

1195
00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:16.679
<v Speaker 2>the left right and just people who want to be

1196
00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:19.840
<v Speaker 2>left alone chiefly versus those who won't leave people alone.

1197
00:54:19.960 --> 00:54:21.719
<v Speaker 2>Why can't we just figure out a way to peacefully

1198
00:54:21.800 --> 00:54:25.599
<v Speaker 2>separate ourselves and that way end this fractiousness, you know,

1199
00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:28.440
<v Speaker 2>and just instead of going to blows with each other,

1200
00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:31.400
<v Speaker 2>and that includes blows at the ballot box and trying

1201
00:54:31.400 --> 00:54:33.800
<v Speaker 2>to constantly figure out a way to elect our guy

1202
00:54:33.840 --> 00:54:36.679
<v Speaker 2>to impose our will on the other side, how about

1203
00:54:36.679 --> 00:54:38.239
<v Speaker 2>we just figure out a way to go our own

1204
00:54:38.280 --> 00:54:39.960
<v Speaker 2>way and live and let live.

1205
00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:42.599
<v Speaker 3>The problem is that probably half the country doesn't want

1206
00:54:42.639 --> 00:54:43.519
<v Speaker 3>to live and let live.

1207
00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've talked about that. You know, if you look

1208
00:54:45.960 --> 00:54:48.679
<v Speaker 1>at the Scandinavian countries, they have split apart and join

1209
00:54:48.760 --> 00:54:53.440
<v Speaker 1>together in various combinations many times, and you know, they

1210
00:54:53.440 --> 00:54:56.159
<v Speaker 1>would peacefully join together, peacefully break apart, and there.

1211
00:54:56.039 --> 00:54:57.920
<v Speaker 4>Was never a war over it. We don't have a

1212
00:54:57.960 --> 00:54:58.760
<v Speaker 4>government like that.

1213
00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:01.280
<v Speaker 1>You know, when Marjorie Tail green Star talking about having

1214
00:55:01.280 --> 00:55:04.519
<v Speaker 1>a national divorce, I said, yeah, the problem is is

1215
00:55:04.559 --> 00:55:07.920
<v Speaker 1>that we're married to an abusive spouse who once he

1216
00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:09.920
<v Speaker 1>finds out that we want to divorce him, he's going

1217
00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:10.719
<v Speaker 1>to come kill us.

1218
00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:11.000
<v Speaker 3>You know.

1219
00:55:11.320 --> 00:55:15.280
<v Speaker 2>Ye that I recurrently use because I think it's very

1220
00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:17.239
<v Speaker 2>pithy and it says it all. And it's a picture

1221
00:55:17.239 --> 00:55:19.920
<v Speaker 2>of Abraham Lincoln and the caption reads, if you try

1222
00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:21.079
<v Speaker 2>to leave me, I'll kill you.

1223
00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:26.079
<v Speaker 4>That's right, you know, the ultimate abusive of the household.

1224
00:55:26.599 --> 00:55:30.360
<v Speaker 1>That's exactly the case, especially in a country that was

1225
00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:33.599
<v Speaker 1>formed over the right of secession and self government. That

1226
00:55:33.719 --> 00:55:37.559
<v Speaker 1>was the basis of America's existence from the very beginning.

1227
00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:41.079
<v Speaker 1>How could you deny that to somebody? I'm always all

1228
00:55:41.119 --> 00:55:43.920
<v Speaker 1>about secession, and I would say, if at first you

1229
00:55:43.960 --> 00:55:45.840
<v Speaker 1>don't seceed, try try again.

1230
00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:47.199
<v Speaker 4>That maybe my model for ever.

1231
00:55:47.920 --> 00:55:50.119
<v Speaker 3>It's a safety valve and everybody should be on board

1232
00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:50.400
<v Speaker 3>with that.

1233
00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:52.440
<v Speaker 1>And of course there is one other thing we can do.

1234
00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:55.079
<v Speaker 1>And people at tenth Amendment have talked center I have

1235
00:55:55.119 --> 00:55:58.519
<v Speaker 1>talked about this a lot. There is another avenue of this,

1236
00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:02.360
<v Speaker 1>and that is nullification. That is kind of the middle point.

1237
00:56:02.559 --> 00:56:04.199
<v Speaker 1>You know, we say, well, we're just going tognore what

1238
00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:07.760
<v Speaker 1>you have to say. So there is nullification and non

1239
00:56:07.840 --> 00:56:13.519
<v Speaker 1>commandeering and short of and that effectively can allow you

1240
00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:16.800
<v Speaker 1>to seceed issue by issue if you've got people at

1241
00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:19.599
<v Speaker 1>the state level who have the backbone to do that

1242
00:56:19.679 --> 00:56:21.440
<v Speaker 1>type of thing, and that's the big if we don't

1243
00:56:21.639 --> 00:56:23.440
<v Speaker 1>because they're all on the take. I don't think that

1244
00:56:23.480 --> 00:56:26.079
<v Speaker 1>we're going to get this country back until we have

1245
00:56:26.159 --> 00:56:30.760
<v Speaker 1>a catastrophic economic system that's going to destroy the ability.

1246
00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:32.599
<v Speaker 4>Of our government with US dollars or reserve.

1247
00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:36.280
<v Speaker 1>Currency to just print money out of thin air. Until

1248
00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:39.199
<v Speaker 1>that disappears, we're going to have the same type of situation.

1249
00:56:39.519 --> 00:56:42.039
<v Speaker 3>We do have one power under our control, and it

1250
00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:45.119
<v Speaker 3>is to simply not participate, to opt out on our own.

1251
00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:47.559
<v Speaker 2>You know, with regard to new cars, if you don't

1252
00:56:47.599 --> 00:56:49.880
<v Speaker 2>want to be data mined and controlled, well, don't buy

1253
00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:50.360
<v Speaker 2>a new car.

1254
00:56:50.760 --> 00:56:52.440
<v Speaker 3>You eat the older car that you have.

1255
00:56:52.519 --> 00:56:54.719
<v Speaker 2>Get an older car, fix it up, you know, during

1256
00:56:54.719 --> 00:56:58.119
<v Speaker 2>the pandemic, don't wear a mask, don't pull, don't comply.

1257
00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:00.719
<v Speaker 2>If enough of us is indis, you don't have to

1258
00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:06.920
<v Speaker 2>join an organization, just abide. It's in your own moral compass.

1259
00:57:06.920 --> 00:57:09.000
<v Speaker 2>And you know, if this is wrong, I don't like this,

1260
00:57:09.119 --> 00:57:10.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going along with it.

1261
00:57:10.679 --> 00:57:11.119
<v Speaker 4>That's it.

1262
00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:13.639
<v Speaker 2>I'm just taking my stand. I'm not going to be

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<v Speaker 2>a cattle and go along moving with the herd just

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<v Speaker 2>because that's what the herd does.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I I'd been thrown out of so many different places

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<v Speaker 1>and restaurants in Texas. I had to move to Tennessee

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<v Speaker 1>because I promised these people I would never be back

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<v Speaker 1>because of the way that they insisted that I wear

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<v Speaker 1>a mask, And so I left.

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<v Speaker 4>Then I said, and I won't be.

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<v Speaker 1>Back, And I kept my word by moving to State.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the only way I could do it. It's always

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<v Speaker 1>great to have you on Eric Eric petersautos dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Folks had great sight for liberty and mobility and a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of nostalgia now as well, because that's how

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<v Speaker 1>the only way we're going to be able to keep

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<v Speaker 1>our mobility is with classic cars. Thank you, Eric, always

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<v Speaker 1>great to talk to you.

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<v Speaker 5>Thank you, Travis, Thank you Eric, always a pleasure speaking

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<v Speaker 5>to you. And before we go, ACSA B thank you

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<v Speaker 5>so much that we really do appreciate it. Says so awesome.

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<v Speaker 5>DK and family. Thanks for everything. I wish I could

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<v Speaker 5>do so much more, so much.

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<v Speaker 6>A CSAP, thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>It really is because of your support that we're able

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<v Speaker 5>to continue to do this and we really cannot thank

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<v Speaker 5>you enough.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 6>Folks, Thank you all very much. God bless you all

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<v Speaker 6>have a wonderful rest of your day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, the common man. They created common Core that dumbed

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<v Speaker 1>down our children. They created common past, track and control

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<v Speaker 1>us their commons project to make sure the commoners own

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<v Speaker 1>nothing and the communist future.

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<v Speaker 4>They see.

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<v Speaker 1>The common man is simple, unsophisticated, ordinary. But each of

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<v Speaker 1>us has worth and dignity created in the image of God.

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<v Speaker 1>That is what we have in common. That is what

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<v Speaker 1>they want to take away. Their most powerful weapons are isolation, deception, intimidation.

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<v Speaker 1>They desire to know everything about us, While they hide

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<v Speaker 1>everything from us, it's time to turn that around and

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<v Speaker 1>expose what they want to hide. Please share the information

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<v Speaker 1>and links you'll find at the Davidknightshow dot com. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for listening, Thank you for sharing. If you can't

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<v Speaker 1>support us financially, please keep us in your prayers. D

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