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Speaker 3: What's up Andrew, Hey, Pete, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I wish I could say that it was Oh,
I just thought of you know, you just came to mind,
and I thought, let's have Andrew back on back on
this show. But no, yesterday was something happened. And you know,
with your historic ties to the state of Minnesota, I thought.
Speaker 2: I'd have you on.
Speaker 1: I know probably a lot of people have, you know,
seeing you on Tucker and talking about your background and everything,
but can you can you do like a brief you know, discussion,
you know, a brief description of being from Minnesota and
how long your family was there and why you left and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so I I grew up in Minnesota, spent
most of my life in Minnesota, my my counting my children,
my family's been there for six generations in the same
same small town. And so yeah, we uh, we made
the decision to leave, uh last year or we ultimately
moved last year. And the big driving force behind it
is the major political shifts that have happened in that
state in the last five years, and in particular, the
biggest one was that on the trans issue, in twenty
twenty two, the legislature finally went to the Democrats, and
they had a slim majority in both houses, and so
they immediately proceeded to aggressively pursue the furthest left agenda
they possibly could. And their first bill, Bill number one,
I went to speak at the state capital on it
was abortion up to birth and even in many cases
after birth. And the second bill was a trans bill
of rights that included a provision for parents to lose
custody of their children and if they profess to be transgender.
And so we're like that, I mean, I don't I
don't have a huge degree of worry that my kids
are going to go down that road. But I don't
think anybody ever does. Yeah, I don't think anybody's like,
oh man, my kid's gonna become trans And so like,
you can't live in a state where you have where
you have no rights as a parent, where that's already
in the backdrop, And so I'm like, we we got
to get out of here. This is not this is
not a place where we can we can have children
and and having that in the back of your head
that the state could come and take them if if
you know, my son started playing with dolls or something like.
That's that's it's insane too to be in a in
a state like that, and and so much, so much
has happened there, and it really is kind of a
whirlwind when you take it all together collectively. Uh, I
think uh, I think that I saw it best described
this is maybe like four or five years ago on Twitter.
Uh Second City bureau krat described Minnesota as America's Ukraine.
And and it's like, oh man, like in a handful
of words, that describes what has happened in our state,
like all the all the the focus by by left
wing NGOs on the state is particularly intense and has
been for for some time. The resettlement of so called
refugees has has been happening for most of my lifetime
when I was there, and and only only really recently,
only in the last ten years, did it go from
this kind of purplish state, a state that was competitive
in presidential elections, you know, I mean George Bush campaigned
there regularly in both of his presidential campaigns, to this
like solidly blue state and that that was only only
very recently, only in the last eight to ten years,
and so I think it's been just this radical transformation
that most people there really don't know how to understand
what happened all of a sudden. The state is just
extremely liberal and it's uh yeah it I mean I
have a few theories about why that happened. I mean
it's similar to the discussion you had on your show
to about California and what took place in that state.
I think it's a very similar dynamic, although Minnesota it's
it's changes politically are are less. I mean you look
at like California, Uh, it wasn't like purely ideological that
drove the transformation of the political machine and the capturing
of the political machine there. Largely it's financial. I mean,
there's so much corruption that has been for a long time,
whereas Minnesota it's it's I think more intensely ideological. Uh,
what happened there that's the primary focus is cultural and
social engineering.
Speaker 1: Do you think that the fact that historically the people
who populated Minnesota or Northern Europeans Scandinavians high trust culture
that basically you can put your guard down and you're
easily infiltrated.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think I think that's the primary mechanism they're
able to capture the state.
Speaker 2: Is is that?
Speaker 3: You know? It was like, I mean everyone probably knows
the cliche of Minnesota and nice, that that people are
are very nice and friendly there, and it is true.
It's very true. I've lived in other parts of the
country where I was shocked, like, you know, being on
the East Coast, I'm like, whoa, the people are not
nice here at all. In Minnesota they are, I mean
all all the cliches, like people, you know, small towns
where nobody locks their doors, and and uh, you know,
it's just common that that people would help each other out,
that that any anytime h and any kind of disaster happened,
people would would uh just instinctively pitch in. Uh you
see someone on the side of the road, you you
help it. You just you have to help them out.
That's what you do, Uh things things like that, and
so yeah, it's it's very much the you know, the
you know, Scandinavian and German you know, Northern European high
trust society. I mean, even see that where I think
it was an old you know, Time magazine or Life
magazine from the nineteen eighties that the cover story was
Minnesota is the best place to live in the entire country.
And uh, now now it's it's it's just not and
that that goes beyond just like the high level of
taxation and bureaucratic regulation and so forth. It is it
has been culturally changed significantly. And and yeah, I think
I think part of it is I mean I remember
being in in like junior high in the late nineteen nineties,
when you know, the first day of school and there's
there's a couple of kids in my class named Mohammed
and you know, a girl wearing like a scarf on
her head. And when you're like eleven or twelve years old,
you're like, that's kind of weird. Where did they come from?
That's that's strange. And it was like it was like
a handful, you know, one or two, and then the
next year it was ten, and then the next year
it was fifty. Uh and and all of the all
of the SMALLI just appeared, uh one day, and and
the general attitude that everyone had, you know, whether they
were you know, liberal or conservative, there was, oh, well,
these are these are people suffering. Uh. You know, they're
they're coming from a country that there's that civil war,
and you know, we just need to be kind to them,
and and uh they're here for a better life. You know,
all all of those kinds of of of ideas, Uh,
every everyone just kind of implicitly held you that, oh
well this is you know, and it is all very
high trust stuff. It was all, uh, this idea that well,
we're nice to everybody and we want to we wanted
to help take care of people and and so on
and so forth, and that that attitude had been has
been manipulated for decades, particularly when it comes to refugees, migrants, illegals.
All of it is uh the very high trust uh
you know, society that exists, it existed in Minnesota is
used as this mechanism to force people into into agreeing
with signing up for their own own demographic demographic displacement.
And and so now it isn't just the Twin Cities,
it's it's really every every larger town or city in
Minnesota has significant Somali populations. There's preceding the influx of
Somalis were the mung So if you've seen like the
movie Grand Torino that was supposed to be based in
Saint Paul, but they I think like for political reasons.
They're like, oh, we don't. This kind of makes the
Mung look bad. And they actually do live here in
Saint Paul. So say that it's in Detroit, but the
the there's a woman who wrote it. She was from
the Twin Cities. She grew up in Saint Paul and
she she wrote this movie. And and uh and and
so the Mung, you know, their their issue very different
than the Somalis, but they uh have a tremendous amount
of violence and mostly uh gang violence amongst themselves. Uh
and and I mean there were entire neighborhoods in Saint
Paul completely overtaken by by Mung in the in the
eighties and nineties. And and you sort of see it.
You see, I mean, my wife grew up in Saint
Paul uh in in uh you know what had been
a pretty nice neighborhood. It was all Polish Catholic, her,
her grandpa and his brother and all all of that
side of the family went to Saint Kasmer's Church. And
so you look at that neighborhood now and and it's
all run down, bars on, you know, iron bars on
like every window and houses, and it's just there's trash everywhere.
It's the the storefronts in the in the main drag
or are all like you know, vape shops and and
payday loans and things like that. And uh, and it
was what had been a very nice residential neighborhood. Everyone
just fled. Everyone went to the you know, kind of
the the edge of the suburbs. The suburbs around Saint
Paul grew at a very very fast array in the
nineties and early two thousands. And so it's the same
I mean, it's the same kind of thing with you
that you see with with most American cities that just
further and further out. Uh, everyone everyone just leaves and
and and then the city becomes a rundown. And so
this has been like a very long ongoing process. The
and and the the the DFL, the Democratic Party in
Minnesota as it used to be, you know, sort of
your your populist liberal types. You know, we had a senator,
you know, Paul Wellstone, who who died in a plane
crash while he's campaigning, and he would have been Bernie Sanders.
Uh had he lived, I mean, he would have been
Senator for life. He was very popular and uh, it
was a very much a Bernie Sanders type and and
that kind of that was kind of the spectrum it was.
It was very you know, moderate Democrats that you know,
their goals were mainly, oh, you know, funding schools and
social programs and things like that, and they're okay with
higher taxes. But it never was never was the very
insane cultural things. And I think one of the major
pivot points when you kind of noticed something was going
on with Minnesota was in at least twenty thirteen, when
there was a ballot amendment for the state regarding gay
marriage to ban it. And these ballot amendments had passed
in like every state in the country and including California.
It was very successful even there. And twenty thirteen, the
ballot amendment comes up for a vote and it fails.
It was the first one anywhere to ever fail. And
so you noticed, like whoa I thought Minnesota was, you know,
somewhat like economically liberal, you know, soft hearted Norwegians that
that like social welfare programs, but but otherwise very culturally conservative,
and that that changed dramatically at that point. And then
after Oberger fell, I think the floodgates opened on on
all all manner of these things, uh and and has
continued for ten years. And so that that was the
big one. I mean, I remember in college in Minnesota,
you you I sort of saw kind of the futures
as you you often do in college of what's going
what are things going to look like in like ten
or fifteen years that it was all this kind of
what we now would call like woke stuff was was
already there in like two thousand and four, two thousand
and five, and and it it is. It's been an
intense program. Like the whole all the whole DFL was
basically overhaul and lead heavily into wokeness by by about
twenty eighteen, the twenty eighteen election, when when Tim Walls
first became governor, you saw a major change of course politically.
And at the same time, that's when a lot of
the a lot of the Somali population was was beginning
to flex political muscles. And by twenty twenty two is
when when we got iohan Omar and and and so, yeah,
all of these things happened very rapidly. It wasn't like random,
It was a deliberate strategy. And you know the strategy
now you know as I left, it was very much
all right, we've we've taken over the cities. Now it's
time to start to take over the the rural areas.
And so you would see these these begin to pop up.
One popped up in my town of like nine thousand people.
It was like Lead for Minnesota or something. They always
sound very innocuous and very nice, like, oh, we want
to we want to help people and make things better,
and and the entire goal is to take over the
local political scene, get buy in from from you know,
business owners and leading leading figures in small towns and
h and and do the same thing you know on
main Street that they that they did in the corporate
world and transformed it into a leading force for for
left wing social engineering. And so that was happening, you know,
by two and and so it's it's very much this
battleground where they where they've they have successfully transformed this
state in a very short period of time.
Speaker 1: There was a lot there, one of yeah, I do
well on. One of the things I picked up on
there is the fact that yeah, for better for worse,
Northern Europeans, white Europeans mh but naturally want to help.
They are they're willing to go out of their way,
and that's a weakness that is preyed upon. Oh you know,
we're just gonna put these We're just gonna you know,
we have two hundred people here that are fleeing war
torn place.
Speaker 2: Will put them there.
Speaker 1: And the you know the yeah, no, no, we understand, Yeah,
we understand. And basically they're they're taking advantage of a
natural hospitality, a natural kindness. And then as soon as
those people that you know that the White European, the
Northern European realize is what's happening to them and starts to,
you know, say hey, wait a minute, this this is
going to affect us in a negative way, then all
of a sudden they're evil.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah that and that's that's really what happened.
I mean, I remember during the twenty sixteen election, Somali
went to the mall in Saint Cloud, Minnesota with a
machete and hacked up a bunch of people. That was
it was a big story. A couple of weeks before
the election, and Trump went to the Saint Cloud Airport
and held a held a rally there and it talked
about the Somali problem. And I think he maybe even
used that exact phrase, and of course the local media
there freaked out, like, oh, he's horribly racist to the
Somali's and and and so forth. But that was a
moment at which people in Minnesota finally started to have
a voice, right because and if you if you expressed
any any kind of concern about about the Somalis being
being there, uh, you you were. You're a terrible, horrible, awful,
bad person. And and that that's it was that way
for like twenty years. If you're like, hey, yeah, yeah,
I know there's a war and everything, and they're they're fleeing,
but that's literally on the other side of the planet.
They don't have anywhere else they can go besides you know,
rural southern Minnesota. And uh and and people would look
at you like, like you just you just said the
most evil thing that they ever could Like they can't
even process that. Uh, Because it's our duty to help people.
And I think the major shift in in opinion, at
least among at least among conservatives in Minnesota is is
when ilhan Omar got elected. Right her Her like pinned
tweet during her campaign in two was that America is
the most misogynistic, racist, evil country that has ever existed.
And I remember talking to people and I'd show people
that that post, and it's like, she she came here
from Somalia, and we we paid for her to come here.
We paid for her housing, for her food, for for
all of her family, for her health care, for her,
all of her education, her entire life, everything, like we
came out of our pockets. And my wife actually went
to the same high school as her, and even though
the smalies were kept in a in a separate wing
because they would always get in fights with with other
people in the in the school, and so she never
actually saw her. But she she comes here and and
receives all these massive benefits and then has has the
gal to say, you're all horrible, terrible people, and I'm
I'm going to change that. Like that that finally caused
a switch to flip in people's minds where it's like
we've done nothing but bend over backwards to help you
and and your people out, and this is how you
think of us, right, this is what this is how
you treat us, this is this is what you want
to do. And of course it's gotten worse since then
because you know, they're they're videos of her or you know,
her campaign staffers or people, or it was maybe it
was like the the you know, president of Somalia or
whatever it was. It was some big campaign it was
last year where they're like, yeah, uh, her goal is
is to benefit the people of Somalia, like that's the
reason she's in Congress. And and you hear that, and
you think, right, she's wait, she's not. Her goal isn't
to benefit like the people in her district or the
people of the United States. And and I mean it's
a thing you could always assume, like he always assumed,
like that's that's what she's doing. That's obviously what's going on.
But like even like say it out loud, right, even
say that out loud, like we don't care about you
at all. Our only goal is to fleece you and
send money back to Somalia. Uh, it infuriates you. And
and even when when the question is raised, you know,
you know, what is an American? Right? What is an American?
Who's an American? And and of course you'll have you know,
uh leftoids will we'll say, well, somebody has you know,
the right paperwork, if they if they passed the citizenship
exam and and it's been granted citizenship. Well, that's an American.
And it's like, does anyone, any reasonable person consider Illanomar
an American?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Well, well no, Like her entire goal is is to
benefit the people of Somalia. And and you know, whether
whether or not a person has citizenship or not, it's
like like she's never gonna be one, like her kids
are never going to be Your grand kids are never
going to be one like they they have an incredibly
high in group preference and that's not going away no
matter how long they they're here, are part of this
this country, they're they care about their people first, and
and of course that's like very common all throughout the world,
is right, you have a conscious understanding of who your
people are, and those are your people, and you you're
going to fight tooth and nail for them. I mean,
you see this with the UH with the Indian truck
driver that that killed three people in Florida after after
doing an illegal U turn on the freeway and something
like what was it, pete, like two hundred and fifty
thousand people in like twenty four hours. I mean, all
because India has internet access, you know, in this petition.
Speaker 1: Where we really need to do something about that having
internet access, right, I mean I can I can smell
that petition over the other.
Speaker 3: It's so bad man, And like you see it and
it's like, oh, he did nothing wrong. All the comments
on there, oh, set it free. It was there. Why
don't we see the camp it's probably their fault, that
other driver's fault. And and it's like, yeah, the the
amount of Ingram preference that people from the third world
have is is massive, whereas whereas Americans have none, right,
we we have so little. We can't even openly say,
all right, this person's an American, this person's not. You know,
we have a duty to Americans first before foreign people's. Like,
that's a radical, radical statement to make, when for all
of human history it wasn't. It was like, of course, right,
It was as anodynis could be is oh, yeah, of
course you you have a preference for your people over
the rest of the world, and and so and what
that is I think it is largely again back to
the the high trust, you know, open hearted people that
that populate America. It inverts the order of Morris, right,
it inverts ordered loves, which is just a fixed part
of the created order that you know, you should care
about like your family first and your immediate neighbors first,
and then your your nation as a whole over you know,
people on the other side of the planet. And and
that's that doesn't exist. It's it has been socially engineered
out of people. And the higher trust a place, uh,
higher trust society at place is the easier that that
game works, the easier just to manipulate. And that's why
I think Minnesota was targeted, uh, the way that it was.
Speaker 1: What's interesting is a lot of people have probably heard
of the famous speech that Enoch Pale gave in Britain
called Rivers of Blood speech. Do you know do you
remember from that speech what his worry was the amount
of people coming in every year?
Speaker 3: Oh, I can't remember the details of it. It's been
so long since. I had to listen to it in
college for my British history class. And of course, oh
you know, Peel was so terrible, so awful, and I
remember listening to it and thinking, uh, he's describing what
was happening here. I remember being sympathetic. This is like
twenty years ago hearing it, But what was the percentage?
Speaker 1: He was worried about five thousand a year.
Speaker 3: Oh goodness, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: As of twenty twenty three, if these numbers are even correct,
there's eighty six thousand Somalis in Minnesota.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the alleged number. But if you you know,
one of the I think the first things everybody does
when they visit Minnesota is, uh is go to the
Mall of America and uh, you go there, and if
you if you went there, you would assume there had
to be a million Somalis in Minnesota. They are there,
it seems like everywhere, and.
Speaker 1: They're on vacation. Okay, so I've so I lived in
Fort Lauderdale for a long time and Fort Lauderdale is
a tourist destination. Yeah, and it's obvious when people are
on vacation, they're out, they're out, and they're you know,
they're not in their hotel room. They're That's the way
I look at it is that's the way these groups
who come here. The reason why they're filling the Mall
of America and they go is because they almost have
a feeling like they're on vacation, like they're somewhere else,
Like there's some place where if they do things, they're
not going to suffer the consequences. You know how people
have its tendency to go on vacation and they'll act,
they'll act in ways they wouldn't act at home. Yeah,
it's almost like a vague. It's almost like these people
have a vacation kind of mentality when they come here,
even if they've been here for years and years, even
if their second generation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I knew and and and I
mean digging even into some of the cultural things and
why why they tend to be a problem. You know,
I knew I've known, you know, several Somali people. You know,
one of them was quite close to who converted to Christianity.
And and even after he converted, and it's he's been
a Christian for for quite some time as genuine even
after he converted, Uh, he still didn't really have a
concept of personal property where he would he would take
people's stif and and then like like have it in
front in front of them and they'd be like, hey,
that's my man, that's my shirt you're wearing. And it's
like it doesn't even fit him, and it's like oh
really yeah, oh oh sorry, uh, like he would he
would just steal stuff all the time, because that that
was not a thing in their culture right in within
their their society is if something is out and can
be taken, well, then you take it, right. Uh, it's
it's finders keepers, right, And and it was it was
shocking right to like experience that firsthand, that that it
just did not compute that this is someone's stuff, I
don't touch it. And and it's like, okay, if that's
like a one off thing, if that's just like one guy,
but what if it's everyone, right, what if it's all
eighty six thousand have no concept of personal property and
they just take just take things, right, just just steal things,
take things whenever. That's that's the people that's like not
compatible with with the population that's already there. And and
you know, we you know, uh maybe a normy would
look at this and be like, oh, that's odd, that's strange,
But if you look at it from the engineers of
our society, it's not random or accidental. It's like there's
a reason why you took like the lowest trust people
on planet Earth and put them in the highest trust
place on planet Earth and the highest trust place in
the United States. Right, there's a reason they did that, Right,
there's a reason they didn't put them in like the
lowest trust place in the United States, which would you know,
I don't know, Memphis, Tennessee or something like or Detroit. Like,
there's a reason why they put them in Minnesota. It's
it's because they want to introduce that conflict, right they
and and there the conflict doesn't even really exist because
the you know, normal regular people in Minnesota will just
write it off. There's like, oh, well they they're they
don't understand whatever. They'll they'll they'll do their high trust thing.
And it's it's almost like this humiliation ritual that that
they put the people in Minnesota through, and and all
of that is all of that has gone on for yeah,
twenty almost thirty years now, and it's radically changed the
the entire landscape of the state. And a lot of
people are just like on even even like liberals are
on like pins and needles about it, like they they
don't want to talk about the elephant in the room.
And one of the worst, one of the worst aspects
of it is is like churches, Conservative churches. Uh, if you,
if you discuss the issues regarding the people will get
mad at you. They'll say, no, no, They've been brought
here to be a mission field. And and isn't it
so great? The great commission is being fulfilled. We we
can we can disciple these people. And of course the
people that are usually say that uh live very far
away from They don't have some allies living next door, right,
they live very far away from them.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: But if you encounter them every single day, and the problems, Uh,
there's this this cognitive dissonance that happens and all of that.
I mean, you take that across the entire uh, the
entire state that that that is the cultural backdrop that
is is taking place, and you have just this this
almost you know, psychological or spiritual malaise that that develops
there because of this conflict, and and it makes the
people easier to conquer, right politically, I think I think
that's the biggest thing. It isn't even just like the demographics.
It's it's the the psychological warfare of the conflict just
beats people into submission. And the Conservatives, at least until
very recently, uh, the conservative you know, the so called
conservatives in Minnesota were we're the weakest and wimpiest, and
and part of that, part of that is the culture
of Minnesota is, uh, you need to be nice, right,
you can ever fight right, you can't. You don't if
you don't have something nice to say about somebody, you
don't say anything at all. Like that is that is
the golden rule of life in Minnesota. And so if
you're going to do you know, political or cultural warfare
and and fight back, your your hands already tied behind
your back. And so anybody who who like speaks boldly, uh,
anybody who actually says what things are is treated like
a pariah. And and so you'd see this like when
when Tim Walls uh somehow was selected as the vice
presidential candidate, it was it was really strange. And a
lot of people asked me about that and about him
in particular, and he he uh is you know, everyone
discovered really weird guy, very strange man and also very angry.
It's just always constantly bubbling blow the surface. But when
he ran for governor in twenty eighteen, it was this
is like your uncle, this is the nicest guy. He's
so sweet and wonderful, like that's the persona they gave him,
and they had they had to craft that that way
in order to get elected into statewide office in Minnesota.
But under the surface, the guy just nasty, nasty human
being and and it makes it it made it incredibly
difficult to fight this guy because, I mean, in after
twenty twenty, in the twenty twenty two election, the candidate,
the GEO he put forward was was really weak. Right,
I mean, here, here's the guy that kept the state
locked down almost almost longer than any any other governor
in the entire country. He had caused untold damage with
his handling of the riots, not just in this state
but throughout the country. Right if he would have acted
decisively and obviously with no way he didn't like his
his goal was to let it happen, right, But the
destruction that he caused in twenty twenty made him incredibly unpopular.
But the GOP candidate was so uninspiring he was able
to have one debate with him and never never, never
once like went after him, never once went after him
for his handling of the riots, never once went after him,
after him for his his handling of the lockdowns, and
as a result, Right, he easily was re elected because
there was no there was no real opposition to him
at all. And uh and and so that I think
is also part of it. Is they they're they're able
to do these things. They keep the people in this
this sort of psychological submission, the people that would would
otherwise resist it, and and they can advance whatever policies
they want, and you're a bad person if you object
to it. And that that's that's that's I mean, that's
part of the reason why we also had to leave
to like we knew that, we knew that that there
the the odds of of political transformation, uh, the odds
of of anyone standing up and actually fighting. Uh, and
that gaining you know, widespread currency in the state was
was very very low and still is I mean even
even after this, even after the shooting where I mean
you see you see the pictures of walls with uh,
you know, Leah whatever the guy's name is an address
that's in the state Senate, you know, clapping for her
and gesticulating like he does, and or is lieutenant governor
with the protect trans kid's shirt with a knife on it.
I mean literally like the same like rhetoric that the
shooter used in the manifesto and things like that, and
and I hate to do a Ben shapiroism of like
imagine if the other side, you know, did this, Like
like I remember when Gabby Gifford's you know, got shot
by some you know, mk Ultra Duaco and uh, you
remember this beat when when people started going after like
Sarah Palin for or like having a mailer that had
like a target on her, and it's like, clearly she
caused that. Like or anytime there's any kind of political violence,
they'll they'll like stretch for the most tangential way they
could connect it to Republican rhetoric or to something Trump
said or something like that. But then here you have
like these people using using really violent rhetoric regarding the
trans issue, and like they just get a pass like
nobody can, oh, oh well they they there's it's a
it's a minority group, you know that's badly oppressed, and
and they're standing up for those people. Like that's that's
the narrative that's pushed there. And it remains to be
seen if if this latest, this latest event, the shooting,
will start to change anything in Minnesota particularly regarding the
trans issue. That I don't know how much more often
this this kind of thing has to happen. Uh yeah,
there it is right there, you know, for for them
to be like, no, that this is insane that they
they've doubled down on on in that particular issue, on
the trans issue in Minnesota, when it seems like everywhere
else they're they're trying to tamp down the wokeness. Like
you see the the talking points that that got leaked.
How how any Democrat is not supposed to use all
these woke terms any longer. That's not the case in
Minnesota at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The immediately, you know what's funny is there's there's this
contingent online that says that the Jewish power over the
centuries has used Christianity to basically Christianity as a siop
yea yea. The first yet, the first thing Jacob Fry
did was talk about how thoughts and prayers aren't going
to solve this, and he just he just basically immediately
started attacking Christianity. And then when you you know, when
you point out, well they attack, well, they're they don't
need it anymore. So now they're trying to destroy Look. Yeah, look,
there's no one there. There's no Jewish group in Texas
right now protesting one hundred and ten foot tall demon statue. Yeah,
you know, Hindu demon statue. Try to put up some
Ten Commandments somewhere, which is from allegedly from their book.
Speaker 2: Try to put that up somewhere.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is just I mean, and you know,
I will say because I'm I know my history and
I study a lot Minnesota and Minneapolis Saint Paul in
particular is one of the oldest Jewish communities in the country. Yeah,
I mean they have they have the old the oldest
daily Jewish newspaper is from Minneapols. It is from Minneapolis. Yeah,
and to see this is just you know, it's more noticing,
you know, it's just like, Okay, how did first of all,
how did this guy get elected? Well, if you know
the history, you get an idea of everything. But it's
just this is the same playbook over and over again.
Something happens to Christians. And I don't know if you
also saw this. Apparently this this trainee was all over
the place and like had anti Christian stuff, anti Jewish stuff,
and like there are Jewish activists making this about them,
even though it's even though it's dead Christians.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because I think you know, clearly like he
was some can kind of antifa, you know, lefty and uh,
you know, part of their part of their thing is
is you know, freeing Palestine and Gaza and so forth,
and so yeah, I'm one of the magazines I think
had had something about that, and yeah, you see it's like, oh,
it's actually about us, right, It's it's it's like it's
sick uh and and fry saying that right, because that,
I mean, that's their kind of standard rhetoric that you
see now every time there's there's some kind of mass
shooting that that makes the news, is you know, leap
your thoughts and prayers like they they want to. They
they still sort of think that, uh, being crude and
blunt is the thing that makes people like Trump and
and so and they're they're wrong about that, Like that's
for most people that you know, at at best is
like an added benefit at least for me, uh or others.
It's like they don't like it and they like them otherwise.
But they think they think, yeah, being being really crude
and vulgar is the reason for his appeal, And so
we're going to be these like, uh, these Reddit millennials
that uh, you know, drop f bombs every other word
and and think that that that will gain us mass appeal.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: So that's part of the reason they do that, that
I think. But also like there's an obvious visceral hatred
of Christianity among the left, right you see that. I mean,
I mean, how much how much content have you done
on the Spanish Civil War? Right? Where? Uh what what
did they attack? Right? They attacked the church that they
attacked priests and nuns and and so forth, and and
murdered thousands of them. And uh that that's the same,
it's the same playbook, right. They they know that that
Christianity is the enemy and it has to be destroyed.
And so when Christians get attacked, right, they make it
about gun control, or they make it about, you know,
any any other issue other than the obvious thing. Like
the New York Times story today was, well, we just
we have no idea what the motive could possibly have been.
When it's like, no, I mean, it's the same, it's
the same. You know, here in Tennessee with Nashville, with
the Covenant School, shooting with Audrey Hale. Obviously she targeted
at that school because they're Christians. They're very conservative Christians
at that school, and they opposed, you know, her whole
gender ideology. And it's it's the same thing. This guy,
uh sees a conservative you know, Catholic school and wants
to murder their children. Uh why because these are the
people that won't affirm what he thinks he is and
and he wants them dead. He wants their kids dead.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: It's it's insane. I mean, I don't know if you
saw the thing from his journal where it's him looking
at a mirror and the other side of the mirror
is like a demon looking back to you. Did you
see that? Oh?
Speaker 1: I have I have an episode coming out tonight on
spiritual Warfare.
Speaker 2: I use that as a thumbnail.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, it's uh dude, that's that's what the stuff is.
You see. All these people are like, oh, it's like
a it's a serious mental health thing. And it's like, yeah,
obviously it's a serious mental health thing. What's the cause? Right?
The cause of it is spiritual that this is this
is demonic And I mean that that word gets thrown
out all the time and and sort of loses his currency,
I think. But ultimately that's that's what it is. That's
I think, that's what all of this stuff in Minnesota
is is is a spiritual attack on Christianity and on
the Christian faith. Like why would you bring in you know,
probably over one hundred thousand Somalis or more to to
that place. It's because you know, you had you had
sweet and nice Christian people like sweet old the Lutheran
Grammars everywhere, and and that still is very much part
of the the culture there is is it steeped in
in sort of a Christian ethic, even even if the
people aren't aren't themselves highly religiously engaged or or themselves
like have any any positive profession of the Christian faith. Right,
It's it's in their bones, It's in the dna of
of the people there, and they want to destroy it, right,
That's it's obvious. It's obvious everywhere. And and that's I think,
you know, I mean, that's one of the things I
C J and I talk about often is is you
have like the the leaders of Christian institutions or the
big name uh, the big names that go on TV
or get published all the time, the the seminary professors
and UH and uh the pastors of big churches and
people like that that either are completely clueless as to
this dynamic or or complicit in it. And and lay
people like they're they are sheep without shepherds, right, they
have no no one leading them uh to to fight
back on these things. And and fighting back doesn't mean
even even necessarily some kind of political action that they
could take, although there are many uh fighting back, It
just means like telling the truth about things, right, saying
that this is what's going on, right, saying that no,
this is this is an attack on Christianity, an attack
on the Christian faith.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: They they hate us because of of what who we
are and what we believe. And I mean you see
the the pictures that he had of going to the
range and putting putting a picture of Christ on on
the target. Like how much more obvious can it get
that this that's what this was, right, that that's what
took place. And and it's it's sickening, especially in Minnesota.
I mean, this is that's the heart of like E. L.
C A Lutheranism. This is where like it was Amy
Klobashar's church in in Minneapolis or a Dinah where you
probably saw it a few years ago, the sparkle creed
that was uh uh being said in these churches where
the the lady pastors were and a rainbow stole and
and the the most disgusting thing about that Elca church
is like most of the people that go to these
kinds of churches just they they grew up Lutheran, They
don't know anybody, They have no idea what their church
is believed usually, and they think it's all just normal.
They think it's all just fine, and and that they're
they're good people for for flying a rainbow flag in
front of their church, and and and it happens. It's
it's like this too pronged assault on Christianity where there's
this overt conflict that sometimes goes violent like it did
the other day and uh but then inwardly to subvert
it from the inside as well. Right when you when
you see people like Tim Walls, you know in the debate,
start referencing Bible verses and things things like that, and
it's like this this sick, disgusting freak has has has
the stones too to blame Christ and claim the Christian
faith to do the evil things that he's doing. And
and people they don't know any better. They they buy it,
they eat it up. And I don't I don't know
the future. I don't know what what is going to
change or or where things will go. But I think
there there definitely is a a longing, a desire among
Christian people to have to have leaders, to have leadership
that that is much more bolder, that takes stands that
it's willing to fight these things. And and it will
it will be those leaders that, uh that rise and
replace the ones that that have failed.
Speaker 1: If people are honest with themselves, they have to understand
we can preach individuality all we want, Yeah, but most
people just don't either. They're too busy, they have too
much going on with their lives to govern themselves completely.
I mean, I think we're both of us were libertarians
at one point. We believe that if people just you know,
if people were just given the opportunity to have liberty,
you know, they they would seize upon it. That's not
what they do.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: Once you get past that, you understand that people want
and desire political leadership. They want, they want and desire
leadership in their personal lives, but they especially and you
see it with how many, with how weak a lot
of churches have become, and how just that people are
looking for. I think the reason why, like a lot
of people went to Orthodoxy, like in twenty twenty once
in the Orthodox Church, the Eastern Church, is because they're leaders.
They're they're they're people are leaders. There are people are like, yes,
we have the truth here, we have we have the
we have the truth here. And I believe that's why
a lot of people are going back to Apostolic churches, uh,
for better or for worse. And I think it's a
lot of a reason why a lot of people are
just going back to church is because everything when everything
becomes so derascinated that there is no truth, that everything
becomes completely for lack of a better term, postmodern people
are looking for the truth, even if it isn't the truth,
but somebody is saying, look, I have the truth here,
and this is a way to ground them. And people
just want to be grounded. That's all they want.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they want to have contact with reality. I
think that's part of it too, is that everything is
so fake, right, you have no way of knowing what's
real and and so they if you have, especially the
churches where they're they're just they're much more bolder in
their presentation, because that's part of evangelicalism, certainly over the
last twenty or thirty years. Was you know, sort of
the Tim Keller iit, well, you know, you're like dealing
with postmodern well, you know, we believe, you know, like
when he talks about homosexuality, is it's not so good
for human flourishing, but you know whatever, and it's very
weak and wimpy. It doesn't say no, this is the truth, right,
this is what matters, is what's real? Right, the Bible
is true and take it or leave it. And like
that's that's what people are after. That's what they're they want.
They want is someone to just say, yeah, this is
what I believe, and yeah it's out of step with
what the rest of this world believes. But the rest
of the world's insane. Who cares? Who cares what they think?
That they think? I'm crazy? Like people, people want that, right.
People People want to be around other people that that
have contact with reality, have contact with with previous generations
that that weren't so crazy. They weren't so insane, uh
to be able to go back to these things. And
and yeah, I think I mean my own, my own tradition,
you know, reformed Protestantism. It's it's sort of interesting. The
a lot of a lot of the larger institutions, you know,
denominations that are reformed to Protestant or all are pretty
weak and wimpy. And but the the one that I
was in and and might might be in again, Uh,
the series really stands apart and is is much bolder
in in proclaiming, you know, making truth claims and proclaiming things, uh,
and just saying it like it is. And in the
last five years they had significant significant growth and and
they within five or ten years might be larger than
the op if they aren't already actually larger than the OPC.
And so and and I think that that sort of shows,
you know, what is happening, is that that people actually
do want that they want they're they're not afraid of
their pastor, you know, being a controversial figure and being
someone who stands up and tells the truth. And they
actually want that, right. They don't want a pastor who's
who's wimpy and afraid to offend anyone. They they would
rather have good leaders. And and yeah, I think I
think you're right about that, that that in a in
a time of of just your chaos, that's what people
are after.
Speaker 1: Well, I was gonna this would be the point where
I'd ask you to plug the podcast and everything. But
why don't I ask you a question about something that
you're doing on the podcast. You're going over a book
by Peter Leittheart called against Christianity. Yes, why in the world,
Andrew would you be covering a book called against Christianity
on your show with cj Engele.
Speaker 3: That's right, Uh, it's not because we are against uh
uh the Christian faith or you know, the Christian religion
or whatever you would want to call it. The author
and the author himself is a conservative, conservative reform pastor.
Actually he's in the series C Now the Domination I
was in, And so he's not he's very much not
against the Christian faith. He uses Christianity sort of a
short short term shorthand term for uh for uh, what
Christianity has become. It's adapted to to modernism.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's almost like using the term as a
shorthand for managerial Christianity.
Speaker 3: That's right, Yeah, yeah, very much so that it it's
accommodated its beliefs to liberal democracy, to egalitarianism, to do
you know, every everylogy really of modern life, and has
allowed itself to be subverted. And so the book is
is contrasting historical Christianity with with what exists presently. And
it's as like over twenty years old. I remember first
reading it about twenty years ago and was shocked by it.
Was shocked by, oh wow, he's describing the kind of
Christianity I grew up with that that really is. It
bears very little resemblance to or Christian faith, right, or
even even the the kind of the kind of faith
that you see in the pages of the New Testament.
It is, it bears so little resemblance to it, right,
And and so many of these things are so obvious, right,
And that's that's kind of how it is for a
lot of things, where it's like once you're exposed to something,
once you see it, then you see it everywhere, right,
then you see and you can't like you can't unsee
it now it's there. And and so yeah, that book is, uh,
it has been great it's been great to go through
and and you know, I've got a lot of really
good feedback from people about it. And and it's funny
because there's a lot of people that really don't like Peter,
that don't like Peter Ledert, and but even so it's like, oh,
you know, he actually makes a really good point there. Uh.
So I've I've kind of force fed it to our
audience and and they've I think they've really enjoyed it.
And yeah, I I I think the most noticeable thing
from going over this book is is how idolatrous uh,
modern Christianity is. Where there there are so many things
you can where you can do where where I always
put it this way, where if if someone came to
your church and said, I I don't believe the Trinity
is real, or they I don't believe in the virgin birth,
or they deny some essential aspect of Christianity, most of
the pastors or people in the church would like bend
over backwards, uh to to accommodate them, to to help them,
to talk with them about it or whatever. But if
you if you deny one of the pieties of modern
you know, contemporary social or political life, right if you
have if you say, hey, uh, I don't think this
amendment or that amendment to the US Constitution was good,
or if you say, hey, I rit Christopher Caldwell's book
Age of Entitlement, and I've I have some skepticism about
the Civil Rights Act, right, or or any manner of
other things. Right, you, you'll be marched out of the
church immediately.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: And so you can deny, you could deny the Christian
faith and you're you're welcome there. But if you deny
modern liberalism, if you deny modern democracy, if you deny
any of these tenets of the actual faith that people have,
you're gone. We can't have you here. You're you're done.
And and so once you see that, it's like, oh wow,
that's is it really Christianity that they're they're practicing?
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, what what?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What must what must I believe about the Civil rights
here in order to be saved?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, it's it's wild, It's it's really it is
eye opening. Uh, when you realize that no, like modern
Christianity has much of it has accommodated itself entirely and
remade itself into an entirely different religion.
Speaker 1: All right, So uh podcast country Mundum, anything else you
got there?
Speaker 3: Uh no, that's that's about it. Uh yeah, check check
us out. I think I think we're going live tomorrow.
We usually go live every Friday, uh Friday afternoon, and
so yeah, drop in if you if you are coming
for Peach Show. Uh, let us know. Then that'll come
on Peace Show more often.
Speaker 2: Andrew, thank you very much.
Speaker 1: Couldn't you know with everything that happened yesterday, I had
to have a Minnesota expert, especially someone with the background
and how you've you know, you felt like you were
forced to leave, and I know how much I know
how I know how hard that was for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was difficult. It was it was hard.
I mean going back and visiting it's kind of painful.
Uh to go there and see the things that you're missing,
the people that you're missing. But uh, when when events
like that, you know, yesterday happened, Uh, I'm thinking like, Okay,
I've sort of gained some prominence, and my my church
would have been a target you know, of of people
like this, or I would have been or my kids
or something like that. Like getting away from from these
people is is an absolute necessity. And and it's painful
feeling like an exile, uh, living like an exile from
from a place you know and love.
Speaker 2: I appreciate Andrew, So the next time, thank you.
Speaker 3: No thanks h