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Speaker 3: What's up Andrew, Hey, Pete, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I wish I could say that it was Oh,

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I just thought of you know, you just came to mind,

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and I thought, let's have Andrew back on back on

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this show. But no, yesterday was something happened. And you know,

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with your historic ties to the state of Minnesota, I thought.

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Speaker 2: I'd have you on.

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Speaker 1: I know probably a lot of people have, you know,

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seeing you on Tucker and talking about your background and everything,

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but can you can you do like a brief you know, discussion,

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you know, a brief description of being from Minnesota and

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how long your family was there and why you left and.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so I I grew up in Minnesota, spent

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most of my life in Minnesota, my my counting my children,

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my family's been there for six generations in the same

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same small town. And so yeah, we uh, we made

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the decision to leave, uh last year or we ultimately

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moved last year. And the big driving force behind it

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is the major political shifts that have happened in that

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state in the last five years, and in particular, the

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biggest one was that on the trans issue, in twenty

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twenty two, the legislature finally went to the Democrats, and

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they had a slim majority in both houses, and so

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they immediately proceeded to aggressively pursue the furthest left agenda

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they possibly could. And their first bill, Bill number one,

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was abortion up to birth and even in many cases

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after birth. And the second bill was a trans bill

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of rights that included a provision for parents to lose

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custody of their children and if they profess to be transgender.

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And so we're like that, I mean, I don't I

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don't have a huge degree of worry that my kids

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are going to go down that road. But I don't

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think anybody ever does. Yeah, I don't think anybody's like,

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oh man, my kid's gonna become trans And so like,

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you can't live in a state where you have where

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you have no rights as a parent, where that's already

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in the backdrop, And so I'm like, we we got

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to get out of here. This is not this is

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not a place where we can we can have children

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and and having that in the back of your head

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that the state could come and take them if if

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a state like that, and and so much, so much

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has happened there, and it really is kind of a

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whirlwind when you take it all together collectively. Uh, I

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think uh, I think that I saw it best described

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this is maybe like four or five years ago on Twitter.

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Uh Second City bureau krat described Minnesota as America's Ukraine.

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of words, that describes what has happened in our state,

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like all the all the the focus by by left

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wing NGOs on the state is particularly intense and has

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of the political machine there. Largely it's financial. I mean,

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what happened there that's the primary focus is cultural and

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who populated Minnesota or Northern Europeans Scandinavians high trust culture

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that basically you can put your guard down and you're

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easily infiltrated.

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Speaker 3: You know? It was like, I mean everyone probably knows

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the cliche of Minnesota and nice, that that people are

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are very nice and friendly there, and it is true.

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country where I was shocked, like, you know, being on

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the East Coast, I'm like, whoa, the people are not

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nice here at all. In Minnesota they are, I mean

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all all the cliches, like people, you know, small towns

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where nobody locks their doors, and and uh, you know,

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it's just common that that people would help each other out,

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that that any anytime h and any kind of disaster happened,

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people would would uh just instinctively pitch in. Uh you

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see someone on the side of the road, you you

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help it. You just you have to help them out.

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so yeah, it's it's very much the you know, the

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you know, Scandinavian and German you know, Northern European high

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trust society. I mean, even see that where I think

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it was an old you know, Time magazine or Life

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magazine from the nineteen eighties that the cover story was

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Minnesota is the best place to live in the entire country.

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that that goes beyond just like the high level of

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taxation and bureaucratic regulation and so forth. It is it

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has been culturally changed significantly. And and yeah, I think

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being in in like junior high in the late nineteen nineties,

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when you know, the first day of school and there's

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there's a couple of kids in my class named Mohammed

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and you know, a girl wearing like a scarf on

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her head. And when you're like eleven or twelve years old,

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you're like, that's kind of weird. Where did they come from?

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a handful, you know, one or two, and then the

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next year it was ten, and then the next year

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it was fifty. Uh and and all of the all

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of the SMALLI just appeared, uh one day, and and

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the general attitude that everyone had, you know, whether they

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were you know, liberal or conservative, there was, oh, well,

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these are these are people suffering. Uh. You know, they're

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they're coming from a country that there's that civil war,

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and you know, we just need to be kind to them,

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and and uh they're here for a better life. You know,

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all all of those kinds of of of ideas, Uh,

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every everyone just kind of implicitly held you that, oh

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well this is you know, and it is all very

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high trust stuff. It was all, uh, this idea that well,

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we're nice to everybody and we want to we wanted

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to help take care of people and and so on

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and so forth, and that that attitude had been has

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been manipulated for decades, particularly when it comes to refugees, migrants, illegals.

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you know, society that exists, it existed in Minnesota is

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used as this mechanism to force people into into agreeing

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with signing up for their own own demographic demographic displacement.

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it's it's really every every larger town or city in

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Minnesota has significant Somali populations. There's preceding the influx of

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Somalis were the mung So if you've seen like the

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movie Grand Torino that was supposed to be based in

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Saint Paul, but they I think like for political reasons.

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Mung look bad. And they actually do live here in

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Saint Paul. So say that it's in Detroit, but the

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the there's a woman who wrote it. She was from

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the Twin Cities. She grew up in Saint Paul and

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she she wrote this movie. And and uh and and

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so the Mung, you know, their their issue very different

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than the Somalis, but they uh have a tremendous amount

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of violence and mostly uh gang violence amongst themselves. Uh

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and and I mean there were entire neighborhoods in Saint

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a pretty nice neighborhood. It was all Polish Catholic, her,

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her grandpa and his brother and all all of that

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side of the family went to Saint Kasmer's Church. And

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so you look at that neighborhood now and and it's

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all run down, bars on, you know, iron bars on

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like every window and houses, and it's just there's trash everywhere.

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payday loans and things like that. And uh, and it

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was what had been a very nice residential neighborhood. Everyone

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just fled. Everyone went to the you know, kind of

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Minnesota as it used to be, you know, sort of

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your your populist liberal types. You know, we had a senator,

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you know, Paul Wellstone, who who died in a plane

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crash while he's campaigning, and he would have been Bernie Sanders.

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Senator for life. He was very popular and uh, it

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was a very much a Bernie Sanders type and and

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social programs and things like that, and they're okay with

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higher taxes. But it never was never was the very

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insane cultural things. And I think one of the major

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pivot points when you kind of noticed something was going

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there was a ballot amendment for the state regarding gay

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marriage to ban it. And these ballot amendments had passed

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in like every state in the country and including California.

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ballot amendment comes up for a vote and it fails.

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all all manner of these things, uh and and has

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as you you often do in college of what's going

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what are things going to look like in like ten

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what we now would call like woke stuff was was

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already there in like two thousand and four, two thousand

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and five, and and it it is. It's been an

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intense program. Like the whole all the whole DFL was

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basically overhaul and lead heavily into wokeness by by about

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twenty eighteen, the twenty eighteen election, when when Tim Walls

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first became governor, you saw a major change of course politically.

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the a lot of the Somali population was was beginning

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to flex political muscles. And by twenty twenty two is

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when when we got iohan Omar and and and so, yeah,

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all of these things happened very rapidly. It wasn't like random,

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It was a deliberate strategy. And you know the strategy

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now you know as I left, it was very much

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all right, we've we've taken over the cities. Now it's

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time to start to take over the the rural areas.

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And so you would see these these begin to pop up.

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One popped up in my town of like nine thousand people.

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It was like Lead for Minnesota or something. They always

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sound very innocuous and very nice, like, oh, we want

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to we want to help people and make things better,

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and and the entire goal is to take over the

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local political scene, get buy in from from you know,

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business owners and leading leading figures in small towns and

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h and and do the same thing you know on

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main Street that they that they did in the corporate

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world and transformed it into a leading force for for

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left wing social engineering. And so that was happening, you know,

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by two and and so it's it's very much this

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battleground where they where they've they have successfully transformed this

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state in a very short period of time.

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Speaker 1: There was a lot there, one of yeah, I do

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well on. One of the things I picked up on

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there is the fact that yeah, for better for worse,

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Northern Europeans, white Europeans mh but naturally want to help.

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They are they're willing to go out of their way,

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and that's a weakness that is preyed upon. Oh you know,

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we're just gonna put these We're just gonna you know,

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we have two hundred people here that are fleeing war

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torn place.

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Speaker 2: Will put them there.

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Speaker 1: And the you know the yeah, no, no, we understand, Yeah,

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we understand. And basically they're they're taking advantage of a

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natural hospitality, a natural kindness. And then as soon as

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those people that you know that the White European, the

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Northern European realize is what's happening to them and starts to,

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you know, say hey, wait a minute, this this is

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going to affect us in a negative way, then all

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of a sudden they're evil.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah that and that's that's really what happened.

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I mean, I remember during the twenty sixteen election, Somali

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went to the mall in Saint Cloud, Minnesota with a

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machete and hacked up a bunch of people. That was

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it was a big story. A couple of weeks before

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the election, and Trump went to the Saint Cloud Airport

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and held a held a rally there and it talked

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about the Somali problem. And I think he maybe even

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used that exact phrase, and of course the local media

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there freaked out, like, oh, he's horribly racist to the

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Somali's and and and so forth. But that was a

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moment at which people in Minnesota finally started to have

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a voice, right because and if you if you expressed

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any any kind of concern about about the Somalis being

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being there, uh, you you were. You're a terrible, horrible, awful,

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bad person. And and that that's it was that way

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for like twenty years. If you're like, hey, yeah, yeah,

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I know there's a war and everything, and they're they're fleeing,

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but that's literally on the other side of the planet.

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They don't have anywhere else they can go besides you know,

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rural southern Minnesota. And uh and and people would look

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at you like, like you just you just said the

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most evil thing that they ever could Like they can't

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even process that. Uh, Because it's our duty to help people.

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And I think the major shift in in opinion, at

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least among at least among conservatives in Minnesota is is

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when ilhan Omar got elected. Right her Her like pinned

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tweet during her campaign in two was that America is

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the most misogynistic, racist, evil country that has ever existed.

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And I remember talking to people and I'd show people

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that that post, and it's like, she she came here

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from Somalia, and we we paid for her to come here.

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We paid for her housing, for her food, for for

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all of her family, for her health care, for her,

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all of her education, her entire life, everything, like we

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came out of our pockets. And my wife actually went

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to the same high school as her, and even though

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the smalies were kept in a in a separate wing

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because they would always get in fights with with other

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people in the in the school, and so she never

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actually saw her. But she she comes here and and

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receives all these massive benefits and then has has the

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gal to say, you're all horrible, terrible people, and I'm

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I'm going to change that. Like that that finally caused

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a switch to flip in people's minds where it's like

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we've done nothing but bend over backwards to help you

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and and your people out, and this is how you

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think of us, right, this is what this is how

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you treat us, this is this is what you want

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to do. And of course it's gotten worse since then

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because you know, they're they're videos of her or you know,

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her campaign staffers or people, or it was maybe it

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was like the the you know, president of Somalia or

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whatever it was. It was some big campaign it was

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last year where they're like, yeah, uh, her goal is

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is to benefit the people of Somalia, like that's the

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reason she's in Congress. And and you hear that, and

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you think, right, she's wait, she's not. Her goal isn't

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to benefit like the people in her district or the

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people of the United States. And and I mean it's

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a thing you could always assume, like he always assumed,

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like that's that's what she's doing. That's obviously what's going on.

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But like even like say it out loud, right, even

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say that out loud, like we don't care about you

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at all. Our only goal is to fleece you and

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send money back to Somalia. Uh, it infuriates you. And

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and even when when the question is raised, you know,

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you know, what is an American? Right? What is an American?

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Who's an American? And and of course you'll have you know,

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uh leftoids will we'll say, well, somebody has you know,

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the right paperwork, if they if they passed the citizenship

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exam and and it's been granted citizenship. Well, that's an American.

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And it's like, does anyone, any reasonable person consider Illanomar

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an American?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: Well, well no, Like her entire goal is is to

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benefit the people of Somalia. And and you know, whether

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whether or not a person has citizenship or not, it's

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like like she's never gonna be one, like her kids

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are never going to be Your grand kids are never

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going to be one like they they have an incredibly

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high in group preference and that's not going away no

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matter how long they they're here, are part of this

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this country, they're they care about their people first, and

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and of course that's like very common all throughout the world,

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is right, you have a conscious understanding of who your

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people are, and those are your people, and you you're

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going to fight tooth and nail for them. I mean,

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you see this with the UH with the Indian truck

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driver that that killed three people in Florida after after

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doing an illegal U turn on the freeway and something

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like what was it, pete, like two hundred and fifty

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thousand people in like twenty four hours. I mean, all

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because India has internet access, you know, in this petition.

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Speaker 1: Where we really need to do something about that having

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internet access, right, I mean I can I can smell

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that petition over the other.

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Speaker 3: It's so bad man, And like you see it and

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it's like, oh, he did nothing wrong. All the comments

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on there, oh, set it free. It was there. Why

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don't we see the camp it's probably their fault, that

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other driver's fault. And and it's like, yeah, the the

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amount of Ingram preference that people from the third world

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have is is massive, whereas whereas Americans have none, right,

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we we have so little. We can't even openly say,

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all right, this person's an American, this person's not. You know,

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we have a duty to Americans first before foreign people's. Like,

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that's a radical, radical statement to make, when for all

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of human history it wasn't. It was like, of course, right,

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It was as anodynis could be is oh, yeah, of

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course you you have a preference for your people over

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the rest of the world, and and so and what

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that is I think it is largely again back to

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the the high trust, you know, open hearted people that

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that populate America. It inverts the order of Morris, right,

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it inverts ordered loves, which is just a fixed part

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of the created order that you know, you should care

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about like your family first and your immediate neighbors first,

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and then your your nation as a whole over you know,

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people on the other side of the planet. And and

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that's that doesn't exist. It's it has been socially engineered

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out of people. And the higher trust a place, uh,

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higher trust society at place is the easier that that

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game works, the easier just to manipulate. And that's why

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I think Minnesota was targeted, uh, the way that it was.

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Speaker 1: What's interesting is a lot of people have probably heard

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of the famous speech that Enoch Pale gave in Britain

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called Rivers of Blood speech. Do you know do you

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remember from that speech what his worry was the amount

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of people coming in every year?

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Speaker 3: Oh, I can't remember the details of it. It's been

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so long since. I had to listen to it in

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college for my British history class. And of course, oh

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you know, Peel was so terrible, so awful, and I

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remember listening to it and thinking, uh, he's describing what

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was happening here. I remember being sympathetic. This is like

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twenty years ago hearing it, But what was the percentage?

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Speaker 1: He was worried about five thousand a year.

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Speaker 3: Oh goodness, Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 1: As of twenty twenty three, if these numbers are even correct,

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there's eighty six thousand Somalis in Minnesota.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the alleged number. But if you you know,

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one of the I think the first things everybody does

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when they visit Minnesota is, uh is go to the

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Mall of America and uh, you go there, and if

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you if you went there, you would assume there had

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to be a million Somalis in Minnesota. They are there,

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it seems like everywhere, and.

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Speaker 1: They're on vacation. Okay, so I've so I lived in

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Fort Lauderdale for a long time and Fort Lauderdale is

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a tourist destination. Yeah, and it's obvious when people are

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on vacation, they're out, they're out, and they're you know,

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they're not in their hotel room. They're That's the way

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I look at it is that's the way these groups

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who come here. The reason why they're filling the Mall

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of America and they go is because they almost have

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a feeling like they're on vacation, like they're somewhere else,

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Like there's some place where if they do things, they're

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not going to suffer the consequences. You know how people

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have its tendency to go on vacation and they'll act,

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they'll act in ways they wouldn't act at home. Yeah,

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it's almost like a vague. It's almost like these people

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have a vacation kind of mentality when they come here,

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even if they've been here for years and years, even

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if their second generation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean I knew and and and I

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mean digging even into some of the cultural things and

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why why they tend to be a problem. You know,

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I knew I've known, you know, several Somali people. You know,

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one of them was quite close to who converted to Christianity.

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And and even after he converted, and it's he's been

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a Christian for for quite some time as genuine even

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after he converted, Uh, he still didn't really have a

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concept of personal property where he would he would take

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people's stif and and then like like have it in

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front in front of them and they'd be like, hey,

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that's my man, that's my shirt you're wearing. And it's

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like it doesn't even fit him, and it's like oh

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really yeah, oh oh sorry, uh, like he would he

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would just steal stuff all the time, because that that

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was not a thing in their culture right in within

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their their society is if something is out and can

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be taken, well, then you take it, right. Uh, it's

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it's finders keepers, right, And and it was it was

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shocking right to like experience that firsthand, that that it

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just did not compute that this is someone's stuff, I

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don't touch it. And and it's like, okay, if that's

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like a one off thing, if that's just like one guy,

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00:30:51,759 --> 00:30:55,640
but what if it's everyone, right, what if it's all

477
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,720
eighty six thousand have no concept of personal property and

478
00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:02,759
they just take just take things, right, just just steal things,

479
00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:07,440
take things whenever. That's that's the people that's like not

480
00:31:07,599 --> 00:31:13,680
compatible with with the population that's already there. And and

481
00:31:13,799 --> 00:31:16,240
you know, we you know, uh maybe a normy would

482
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,240
look at this and be like, oh, that's odd, that's strange,

483
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,319
But if you look at it from the engineers of

484
00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:29,039
our society, it's not random or accidental. It's like there's

485
00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:32,519
a reason why you took like the lowest trust people

486
00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:35,559
on planet Earth and put them in the highest trust

487
00:31:35,599 --> 00:31:37,920
place on planet Earth and the highest trust place in

488
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,880
the United States. Right, there's a reason they did that, Right,

489
00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:43,839
there's a reason they didn't put them in like the

490
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,079
lowest trust place in the United States, which would you know,

491
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:51,039
I don't know, Memphis, Tennessee or something like or Detroit. Like,

492
00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:53,759
there's a reason why they put them in Minnesota. It's

493
00:31:53,839 --> 00:31:56,759
it's because they want to introduce that conflict, right they

494
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,799
and and there the conflict doesn't even really exist because

495
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:06,680
the you know, normal regular people in Minnesota will just

496
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,960
write it off. There's like, oh, well they they're they

497
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,720
don't understand whatever. They'll they'll they'll do their high trust thing.

498
00:32:13,759 --> 00:32:18,599
And it's it's almost like this humiliation ritual that that

499
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,160
they put the people in Minnesota through, and and all

500
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,680
of that is all of that has gone on for yeah,

501
00:32:25,759 --> 00:32:33,839
twenty almost thirty years now, and it's radically changed the

502
00:32:33,839 --> 00:32:40,200
the entire landscape of the state. And a lot of

503
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,440
people are just like on even even like liberals are

504
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,640
on like pins and needles about it, like they they

505
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,160
don't want to talk about the elephant in the room.

506
00:32:47,759 --> 00:32:51,559
And one of the worst, one of the worst aspects

507
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:56,119
of it is is like churches, Conservative churches. Uh, if you,

508
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:02,000
if you discuss the issues regarding the people will get

509
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,720
mad at you. They'll say, no, no, They've been brought

510
00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:08,000
here to be a mission field. And and isn't it

511
00:33:08,039 --> 00:33:11,039
so great? The great commission is being fulfilled. We we

512
00:33:11,119 --> 00:33:15,039
can we can disciple these people. And of course the

513
00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:20,359
people that are usually say that uh live very far

514
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,039
away from They don't have some allies living next door, right,

515
00:33:23,079 --> 00:33:24,680
they live very far away from them.

516
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: Uh.

517
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 3: But if you encounter them every single day, and the problems, Uh,

518
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:35,200
there's this this cognitive dissonance that happens and all of that.

519
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:37,640
I mean, you take that across the entire uh, the

520
00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:41,119
entire state that that that is the cultural backdrop that

521
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:47,480
is is taking place, and you have just this this

522
00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:52,519
almost you know, psychological or spiritual malaise that that develops

523
00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:55,640
there because of this conflict, and and it makes the

524
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,960
people easier to conquer, right politically, I think I think

525
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:02,279
that's the biggest thing. It isn't even just like the demographics.

526
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:08,119
It's it's the the psychological warfare of the conflict just

527
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:12,119
beats people into submission. And the Conservatives, at least until

528
00:34:12,519 --> 00:34:15,320
very recently, uh, the conservative you know, the so called

529
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:19,960
conservatives in Minnesota were we're the weakest and wimpiest, and

530
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,400
and part of that, part of that is the culture

531
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:25,920
of Minnesota is, uh, you need to be nice, right,

532
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,320
you can ever fight right, you can't. You don't if

533
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,320
you don't have something nice to say about somebody, you

534
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,920
don't say anything at all. Like that is that is

535
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:37,760
the golden rule of life in Minnesota. And so if

536
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,039
you're going to do you know, political or cultural warfare

537
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:45,119
and and fight back, your your hands already tied behind

538
00:34:45,119 --> 00:34:49,480
your back. And so anybody who who like speaks boldly, uh,

539
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:53,880
anybody who actually says what things are is treated like

540
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,599
a pariah. And and so you'd see this like when

541
00:34:57,679 --> 00:35:02,199
when Tim Walls uh somehow was selected as the vice

542
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,639
presidential candidate, it was it was really strange. And a

543
00:35:06,679 --> 00:35:10,440
lot of people asked me about that and about him

544
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:16,679
in particular, and he he uh is you know, everyone

545
00:35:16,679 --> 00:35:21,159
discovered really weird guy, very strange man and also very angry.

546
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:26,039
It's just always constantly bubbling blow the surface. But when

547
00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:29,760
he ran for governor in twenty eighteen, it was this

548
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,119
is like your uncle, this is the nicest guy. He's

549
00:35:32,159 --> 00:35:36,000
so sweet and wonderful, like that's the persona they gave him,

550
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,000
and they had they had to craft that that way

551
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,079
in order to get elected into statewide office in Minnesota.

552
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,920
But under the surface, the guy just nasty, nasty human

553
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:51,559
being and and it makes it it made it incredibly

554
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:55,280
difficult to fight this guy because, I mean, in after

555
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,800
twenty twenty, in the twenty twenty two election, the candidate,

556
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:03,639
the GEO he put forward was was really weak. Right,

557
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,400
I mean, here, here's the guy that kept the state

558
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,400
locked down almost almost longer than any any other governor

559
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:14,880
in the entire country. He had caused untold damage with

560
00:36:15,159 --> 00:36:19,840
his handling of the riots, not just in this state

561
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,440
but throughout the country. Right if he would have acted

562
00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:25,599
decisively and obviously with no way he didn't like his

563
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:29,400
his goal was to let it happen, right, But the

564
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:34,920
destruction that he caused in twenty twenty made him incredibly unpopular.

565
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:40,679
But the GOP candidate was so uninspiring he was able

566
00:36:40,679 --> 00:36:45,639
to have one debate with him and never never, never

567
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,159
once like went after him, never once went after him

568
00:36:48,199 --> 00:36:50,239
for his handling of the riots, never once went after him,

569
00:36:50,519 --> 00:36:54,719
after him for his his handling of the lockdowns, and

570
00:36:54,880 --> 00:37:00,360
as a result, Right, he easily was re elected because

571
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:03,079
there was no there was no real opposition to him

572
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:07,280
at all. And uh and and so that I think

573
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,400
is also part of it. Is they they're they're able

574
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,360
to do these things. They keep the people in this

575
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,239
this sort of psychological submission, the people that would would

576
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:21,280
otherwise resist it, and and they can advance whatever policies

577
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,880
they want, and you're a bad person if you object

578
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,039
to it. And that that's that's that's I mean, that's

579
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:30,199
part of the reason why we also had to leave

580
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,679
to like we knew that, we knew that that there

581
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:40,400
the the odds of of political transformation, uh, the odds

582
00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:44,360
of of anyone standing up and actually fighting. Uh, and

583
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,480
that gaining you know, widespread currency in the state was

584
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,159
was very very low and still is I mean even

585
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,880
even after this, even after the shooting where I mean

586
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,320
you see you see the pictures of walls with uh,

587
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,239
you know, Leah whatever the guy's name is an address

588
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,199
that's in the state Senate, you know, clapping for her

589
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:09,599
and gesticulating like he does, and or is lieutenant governor

590
00:38:09,639 --> 00:38:14,119
with the protect trans kid's shirt with a knife on it.

591
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,800
I mean literally like the same like rhetoric that the

592
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:22,920
shooter used in the manifesto and things like that, and

593
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,719
and I hate to do a Ben shapiroism of like

594
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,960
imagine if the other side, you know, did this, Like

595
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,239
like I remember when Gabby Gifford's you know, got shot

596
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:38,079
by some you know, mk Ultra Duaco and uh, you

597
00:38:38,159 --> 00:38:41,920
remember this beat when when people started going after like

598
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,639
Sarah Palin for or like having a mailer that had

599
00:38:45,679 --> 00:38:47,559
like a target on her, and it's like, clearly she

600
00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:52,199
caused that. Like or anytime there's any kind of political violence,

601
00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:58,480
they'll they'll like stretch for the most tangential way they

602
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,519
could connect it to Republican rhetoric or to something Trump

603
00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:04,440
said or something like that. But then here you have

604
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:10,039
like these people using using really violent rhetoric regarding the

605
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:13,440
trans issue, and like they just get a pass like

606
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,039
nobody can, oh, oh well they they there's it's a

607
00:39:16,119 --> 00:39:20,159
it's a minority group, you know that's badly oppressed, and

608
00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:22,400
and they're standing up for those people. Like that's that's

609
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,199
the narrative that's pushed there. And it remains to be

610
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:32,559
seen if if this latest, this latest event, the shooting,

611
00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:38,719
will start to change anything in Minnesota particularly regarding the

612
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,760
trans issue. That I don't know how much more often

613
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,000
this this kind of thing has to happen. Uh yeah,

614
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,920
there it is right there, you know, for for them

615
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,920
to be like, no, that this is insane that they

616
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:58,000
they've doubled down on on in that particular issue, on

617
00:39:58,039 --> 00:40:01,920
the trans issue in Minnesota, when it seems like everywhere

618
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,519
else they're they're trying to tamp down the wokeness. Like

619
00:40:05,559 --> 00:40:09,159
you see the the talking points that that got leaked.

620
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,800
How how any Democrat is not supposed to use all

621
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,440
these woke terms any longer. That's not the case in

622
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:17,320
Minnesota at all.

623
00:40:21,039 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

624
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: The immediately, you know what's funny is there's there's this

625
00:40:28,119 --> 00:40:35,920
contingent online that says that the Jewish power over the

626
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:42,079
centuries has used Christianity to basically Christianity as a siop

627
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:47,960
yea yea. The first yet, the first thing Jacob Fry

628
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,440
did was talk about how thoughts and prayers aren't going

629
00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:55,960
to solve this, and he just he just basically immediately

630
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,880
started attacking Christianity. And then when you you know, when

631
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,199
you point out, well they attack, well, they're they don't

632
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:07,199
need it anymore. So now they're trying to destroy Look. Yeah, look,

633
00:41:07,519 --> 00:41:13,119
there's no one there. There's no Jewish group in Texas

634
00:41:13,199 --> 00:41:19,920
right now protesting one hundred and ten foot tall demon statue. Yeah,

635
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,880
you know, Hindu demon statue. Try to put up some

636
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,280
Ten Commandments somewhere, which is from allegedly from their book.

637
00:41:29,199 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 2: Try to put that up somewhere.

638
00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:35,199
Speaker 1: I mean, this is just I mean, and you know,

639
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,159
I will say because I'm I know my history and

640
00:41:38,199 --> 00:41:41,320
I study a lot Minnesota and Minneapolis Saint Paul in

641
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:47,400
particular is one of the oldest Jewish communities in the country. Yeah,

642
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,639
I mean they have they have the old the oldest

643
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:56,360
daily Jewish newspaper is from Minneapols. It is from Minneapolis. Yeah,

644
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,880
and to see this is just you know, it's more noticing,

645
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:04,679
you know, it's just like, Okay, how did first of all,

646
00:42:04,679 --> 00:42:06,320
how did this guy get elected? Well, if you know

647
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,800
the history, you get an idea of everything. But it's

648
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,199
just this is the same playbook over and over again.

649
00:42:12,679 --> 00:42:16,159
Something happens to Christians. And I don't know if you

650
00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:19,880
also saw this. Apparently this this trainee was all over

651
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:25,079
the place and like had anti Christian stuff, anti Jewish stuff,

652
00:42:27,039 --> 00:42:30,440
and like there are Jewish activists making this about them,

653
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,840
even though it's even though it's dead Christians.

654
00:42:33,559 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, because I think you know, clearly like he

655
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:44,159
was some can kind of antifa, you know, lefty and uh,

656
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,960
you know, part of their part of their thing is

657
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,519
is you know, freeing Palestine and Gaza and so forth,

658
00:42:51,079 --> 00:42:53,559
and so yeah, I'm one of the magazines I think

659
00:42:53,599 --> 00:42:57,360
had had something about that, and yeah, you see it's like, oh,

660
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,880
it's actually about us, right, It's it's it's like it's

661
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:06,599
sick uh and and fry saying that right, because that,

662
00:43:06,639 --> 00:43:09,159
I mean, that's their kind of standard rhetoric that you

663
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:12,119
see now every time there's there's some kind of mass

664
00:43:12,119 --> 00:43:16,079
shooting that that makes the news, is you know, leap

665
00:43:16,119 --> 00:43:19,480
your thoughts and prayers like they they want to. They

666
00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:23,559
they still sort of think that, uh, being crude and

667
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:27,559
blunt is the thing that makes people like Trump and

668
00:43:27,559 --> 00:43:30,559
and so and they're they're wrong about that, Like that's

669
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,320
for most people that you know, at at best is

670
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,440
like an added benefit at least for me, uh or others.

671
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,639
It's like they don't like it and they like them otherwise.

672
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,599
But they think they think, yeah, being being really crude

673
00:43:43,639 --> 00:43:47,239
and vulgar is the reason for his appeal, And so

674
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,440
we're going to be these like, uh, these Reddit millennials

675
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,400
that uh, you know, drop f bombs every other word

676
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,119
and and think that that that will gain us mass appeal.

677
00:43:58,599 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 2: Uh.

678
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,119
Speaker 3: So that's part of the reason they do that, that

679
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:04,159
I think. But also like there's an obvious visceral hatred

680
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,320
of Christianity among the left, right you see that. I mean,

681
00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:09,320
I mean, how much how much content have you done

682
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:13,320
on the Spanish Civil War? Right? Where? Uh what what

683
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,360
did they attack? Right? They attacked the church that they

684
00:44:16,559 --> 00:44:19,639
attacked priests and nuns and and so forth, and and

685
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:25,480
murdered thousands of them. And uh that that's the same,

686
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:30,679
it's the same playbook, right. They they know that that

687
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,960
Christianity is the enemy and it has to be destroyed.

688
00:44:33,519 --> 00:44:37,159
And so when Christians get attacked, right, they make it

689
00:44:37,199 --> 00:44:40,480
about gun control, or they make it about, you know,

690
00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:42,679
any any other issue other than the obvious thing. Like

691
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,320
the New York Times story today was, well, we just

692
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,840
we have no idea what the motive could possibly have been.

693
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,239
When it's like, no, I mean, it's the same, it's

694
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,840
the same. You know, here in Tennessee with Nashville, with

695
00:44:54,360 --> 00:45:00,000
the Covenant School, shooting with Audrey Hale. Obviously she targeted

696
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,719
at that school because they're Christians. They're very conservative Christians

697
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,440
at that school, and they opposed, you know, her whole

698
00:45:06,599 --> 00:45:10,039
gender ideology. And it's it's the same thing. This guy,

699
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:17,079
uh sees a conservative you know, Catholic school and wants

700
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:22,360
to murder their children. Uh why because these are the

701
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:26,719
people that won't affirm what he thinks he is and

702
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,599
and he wants them dead. He wants their kids dead.

703
00:45:29,039 --> 00:45:29,119
Speaker 1: Uh.

704
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 3: It's it's insane. I mean, I don't know if you

705
00:45:31,039 --> 00:45:35,880
saw the thing from his journal where it's him looking

706
00:45:36,039 --> 00:45:39,199
at a mirror and the other side of the mirror

707
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,079
is like a demon looking back to you. Did you

708
00:45:41,119 --> 00:45:42,320
see that? Oh?

709
00:45:42,519 --> 00:45:45,159
Speaker 1: I have I have an episode coming out tonight on

710
00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:46,119
spiritual Warfare.

711
00:45:46,159 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 2: I use that as a thumbnail.

712
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, it's uh dude, that's that's what the stuff is.

713
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,599
You see. All these people are like, oh, it's like

714
00:45:54,639 --> 00:45:57,079
a it's a serious mental health thing. And it's like, yeah,

715
00:45:57,079 --> 00:45:59,800
obviously it's a serious mental health thing. What's the cause? Right?

716
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,039
The cause of it is spiritual that this is this

717
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:06,039
is demonic And I mean that that word gets thrown

718
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:09,239
out all the time and and sort of loses his currency,

719
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,280
I think. But ultimately that's that's what it is. That's

720
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,280
I think, that's what all of this stuff in Minnesota

721
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:21,320
is is is a spiritual attack on Christianity and on

722
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:25,400
the Christian faith. Like why would you bring in you know,

723
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:30,199
probably over one hundred thousand Somalis or more to to

724
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,360
that place. It's because you know, you had you had

725
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,320
sweet and nice Christian people like sweet old the Lutheran

726
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,199
Grammars everywhere, and and that still is very much part

727
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:45,800
of the the culture there is is it steeped in

728
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,760
in sort of a Christian ethic, even even if the

729
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:54,719
people aren't aren't themselves highly religiously engaged or or themselves

730
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:59,400
like have any any positive profession of the Christian faith. Right,

731
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,639
It's it's in their bones, It's in the dna of

732
00:47:02,639 --> 00:47:06,079
of the people there, and they want to destroy it, right,

733
00:47:06,199 --> 00:47:10,599
That's it's obvious. It's obvious everywhere. And and that's I think,

734
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,360
you know, I mean, that's one of the things I

735
00:47:13,079 --> 00:47:19,400
C J and I talk about often is is you

736
00:47:19,559 --> 00:47:23,400
have like the the leaders of Christian institutions or the

737
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,320
big name uh, the big names that go on TV

738
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,800
or get published all the time, the the seminary professors

739
00:47:30,159 --> 00:47:34,679
and UH and uh the pastors of big churches and

740
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:39,360
people like that that either are completely clueless as to

741
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:45,320
this dynamic or or complicit in it. And and lay

742
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:49,159
people like they're they are sheep without shepherds, right, they

743
00:47:49,159 --> 00:47:53,400
have no no one leading them uh to to fight

744
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,519
back on these things. And and fighting back doesn't mean

745
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,280
even even necessarily some kind of political action that they

746
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,599
could take, although there are many uh fighting back, It

747
00:48:02,679 --> 00:48:05,719
just means like telling the truth about things, right, saying

748
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:08,440
that this is what's going on, right, saying that no,

749
00:48:08,599 --> 00:48:11,079
this is this is an attack on Christianity, an attack

750
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:12,280
on the Christian faith.

751
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 2: Uh.

752
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 3: They they hate us because of of what who we

753
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,480
are and what we believe. And I mean you see

754
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,920
the the pictures that he had of going to the

755
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,960
range and putting putting a picture of Christ on on

756
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,559
the target. Like how much more obvious can it get

757
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,800
that this that's what this was, right, that that's what

758
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:39,280
took place. And and it's it's sickening, especially in Minnesota.

759
00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:42,039
I mean, this is that's the heart of like E. L.

760
00:48:42,119 --> 00:48:46,519
C A Lutheranism. This is where like it was Amy

761
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:50,760
Klobashar's church in in Minneapolis or a Dinah where you

762
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,000
probably saw it a few years ago, the sparkle creed

763
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:58,079
that was uh uh being said in these churches where

764
00:48:58,119 --> 00:49:03,559
the the lady pastors were and a rainbow stole and

765
00:49:03,559 --> 00:49:07,559
and the the most disgusting thing about that Elca church

766
00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:10,800
is like most of the people that go to these

767
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,800
kinds of churches just they they grew up Lutheran, They

768
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:15,719
don't know anybody, They have no idea what their church

769
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:20,119
is believed usually, and they think it's all just normal.

770
00:49:20,199 --> 00:49:22,840
They think it's all just fine, and and that they're

771
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,519
they're good people for for flying a rainbow flag in

772
00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:30,039
front of their church, and and and it happens. It's

773
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:33,639
it's like this too pronged assault on Christianity where there's

774
00:49:33,679 --> 00:49:37,679
this overt conflict that sometimes goes violent like it did

775
00:49:37,679 --> 00:49:42,679
the other day and uh but then inwardly to subvert

776
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:46,039
it from the inside as well. Right when you when

777
00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:48,639
you see people like Tim Walls, you know in the debate,

778
00:49:49,039 --> 00:49:52,960
start referencing Bible verses and things things like that, and

779
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:58,039
it's like this this sick, disgusting freak has has has

780
00:49:58,119 --> 00:50:02,000
the stones too to blame Christ and claim the Christian

781
00:50:02,039 --> 00:50:05,440
faith to do the evil things that he's doing. And

782
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,639
and people they don't know any better. They they buy it,

783
00:50:08,639 --> 00:50:13,800
they eat it up. And I don't I don't know

784
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,239
the future. I don't know what what is going to

785
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,559
change or or where things will go. But I think

786
00:50:20,599 --> 00:50:27,719
there there definitely is a a longing, a desire among

787
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,119
Christian people to have to have leaders, to have leadership

788
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:35,039
that that is much more bolder, that takes stands that

789
00:50:35,079 --> 00:50:38,480
it's willing to fight these things. And and it will

790
00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:41,679
it will be those leaders that, uh that rise and

791
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:44,599
replace the ones that that have failed.

792
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: If people are honest with themselves, they have to understand

793
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:01,039
we can preach individuality all we want, Yeah, but most

794
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:05,719
people just don't either. They're too busy, they have too

795
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:10,920
much going on with their lives to govern themselves completely.

796
00:51:11,199 --> 00:51:15,159
I mean, I think we're both of us were libertarians

797
00:51:15,159 --> 00:51:17,679
at one point. We believe that if people just you know,

798
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,519
if people were just given the opportunity to have liberty,

799
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,239
you know, they they would seize upon it. That's not

800
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:24,760
what they do.

801
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:25,079
Speaker 3: Now.

802
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 1: Once you get past that, you understand that people want

803
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:37,239
and desire political leadership. They want, they want and desire

804
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:42,039
leadership in their personal lives, but they especially and you

805
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:46,119
see it with how many, with how weak a lot

806
00:51:46,159 --> 00:51:51,719
of churches have become, and how just that people are

807
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:55,639
looking for. I think the reason why, like a lot

808
00:51:55,679 --> 00:51:59,440
of people went to Orthodoxy, like in twenty twenty once

809
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:05,519
in the Orthodox Church, the Eastern Church, is because they're leaders.

810
00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:08,079
They're they're they're people are leaders. There are people are like, yes,

811
00:52:08,159 --> 00:52:10,719
we have the truth here, we have we have the

812
00:52:11,039 --> 00:52:12,840
we have the truth here. And I believe that's why

813
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,039
a lot of people are going back to Apostolic churches, uh,

814
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:18,159
for better or for worse. And I think it's a

815
00:52:18,159 --> 00:52:19,559
lot of a reason why a lot of people are

816
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:24,519
just going back to church is because everything when everything

817
00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:28,280
becomes so derascinated that there is no truth, that everything

818
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:33,639
becomes completely for lack of a better term, postmodern people

819
00:52:33,639 --> 00:52:37,840
are looking for the truth, even if it isn't the truth,

820
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,159
but somebody is saying, look, I have the truth here,

821
00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:43,239
and this is a way to ground them. And people

822
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:45,719
just want to be grounded. That's all they want.

823
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:51,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they want to have contact with reality. I

824
00:52:51,199 --> 00:52:53,079
think that's part of it too, is that everything is

825
00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:56,119
so fake, right, you have no way of knowing what's

826
00:52:56,159 --> 00:53:03,440
real and and so they if you have, especially the

827
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:06,800
churches where they're they're just they're much more bolder in

828
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,440
their presentation, because that's part of evangelicalism, certainly over the

829
00:53:10,519 --> 00:53:14,119
last twenty or thirty years. Was you know, sort of

830
00:53:14,159 --> 00:53:19,039
the Tim Keller iit, well, you know, you're like dealing

831
00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:23,000
with postmodern well, you know, we believe, you know, like

832
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,639
when he talks about homosexuality, is it's not so good

833
00:53:25,679 --> 00:53:29,559
for human flourishing, but you know whatever, and it's very

834
00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:33,400
weak and wimpy. It doesn't say no, this is the truth, right,

835
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,599
this is what matters, is what's real? Right, the Bible

836
00:53:35,679 --> 00:53:40,679
is true and take it or leave it. And like

837
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:43,280
that's that's what people are after. That's what they're they want.

838
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:45,519
They want is someone to just say, yeah, this is

839
00:53:45,519 --> 00:53:48,599
what I believe, and yeah it's out of step with

840
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,199
what the rest of this world believes. But the rest

841
00:53:51,199 --> 00:53:55,760
of the world's insane. Who cares? Who cares what they think?

842
00:53:55,880 --> 00:54:00,519
That they think? I'm crazy? Like people, people want that, right.

843
00:54:00,639 --> 00:54:04,679
People People want to be around other people that that

844
00:54:05,199 --> 00:54:12,239
have contact with reality, have contact with with previous generations

845
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:16,320
that that weren't so crazy. They weren't so insane, uh

846
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,239
to be able to go back to these things. And

847
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,960
and yeah, I think I mean my own, my own tradition,

848
00:54:24,679 --> 00:54:30,880
you know, reformed Protestantism. It's it's sort of interesting. The

849
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:36,280
a lot of a lot of the larger institutions, you know,

850
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,920
denominations that are reformed to Protestant or all are pretty

851
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:43,239
weak and wimpy. And but the the one that I

852
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,880
was in and and might might be in again, Uh,

853
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:53,639
the series really stands apart and is is much bolder

854
00:54:54,039 --> 00:54:57,719
in in proclaiming, you know, making truth claims and proclaiming things, uh,

855
00:54:58,119 --> 00:55:01,920
and just saying it like it is. And in the

856
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:06,880
last five years they had significant significant growth and and

857
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:10,480
they within five or ten years might be larger than

858
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,719
the op if they aren't already actually larger than the OPC.

859
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,719
And so and and I think that that sort of shows,

860
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,119
you know, what is happening, is that that people actually

861
00:55:22,119 --> 00:55:25,199
do want that they want they're they're not afraid of

862
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:29,119
their pastor, you know, being a controversial figure and being

863
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,360
someone who stands up and tells the truth. And they

864
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,039
actually want that, right. They don't want a pastor who's

865
00:55:36,039 --> 00:55:40,280
who's wimpy and afraid to offend anyone. They they would

866
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,599
rather have good leaders. And and yeah, I think I

867
00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:46,719
think you're right about that, that that in a in

868
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:51,440
a time of of just your chaos, that's what people

869
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:51,920
are after.

870
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: Well, I was gonna this would be the point where

871
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:57,119
I'd ask you to plug the podcast and everything. But

872
00:55:57,159 --> 00:55:59,320
why don't I ask you a question about something that

873
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,039
you're doing on the podcast. You're going over a book

874
00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:07,840
by Peter Leittheart called against Christianity. Yes, why in the world,

875
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:12,480
Andrew would you be covering a book called against Christianity

876
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,239
on your show with cj Engele.

877
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,559
Speaker 3: That's right, Uh, it's not because we are against uh

878
00:56:20,039 --> 00:56:23,760
uh the Christian faith or you know, the Christian religion

879
00:56:24,159 --> 00:56:27,039
or whatever you would want to call it. The author

880
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:33,280
and the author himself is a conservative, conservative reform pastor.

881
00:56:34,599 --> 00:56:38,119
Actually he's in the series C Now the Domination I

882
00:56:38,159 --> 00:56:41,159
was in, And so he's not he's very much not

883
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,280
against the Christian faith. He uses Christianity sort of a

884
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:51,119
short short term shorthand term for uh for uh, what

885
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:55,000
Christianity has become. It's adapted to to modernism.

886
00:56:55,519 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's almost like using the term as a

887
00:57:00,159 --> 00:57:04,079
shorthand for managerial Christianity.

888
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 3: That's right, Yeah, yeah, very much so that it it's

889
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:16,320
accommodated its beliefs to liberal democracy, to egalitarianism, to do

890
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:23,159
you know, every everylogy really of modern life, and has

891
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:28,280
allowed itself to be subverted. And so the book is

892
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:34,559
is contrasting historical Christianity with with what exists presently. And

893
00:57:34,599 --> 00:57:39,199
it's as like over twenty years old. I remember first

894
00:57:39,239 --> 00:57:44,840
reading it about twenty years ago and was shocked by it.

895
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,159
Was shocked by, oh wow, he's describing the kind of

896
00:57:48,239 --> 00:57:55,239
Christianity I grew up with that that really is. It

897
00:57:55,599 --> 00:58:01,840
bears very little resemblance to or Christian faith, right, or

898
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:05,760
even even the the kind of the kind of faith

899
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,480
that you see in the pages of the New Testament.

900
00:58:08,039 --> 00:58:12,360
It is, it bears so little resemblance to it, right,

901
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:17,039
And and so many of these things are so obvious, right,

902
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:18,880
And that's that's kind of how it is for a

903
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:21,440
lot of things, where it's like once you're exposed to something,

904
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,599
once you see it, then you see it everywhere, right,

905
00:58:23,639 --> 00:58:25,960
then you see and you can't like you can't unsee

906
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:31,519
it now it's there. And and so yeah, that book is, uh,

907
00:58:32,199 --> 00:58:34,280
it has been great it's been great to go through

908
00:58:34,519 --> 00:58:37,199
and and you know, I've got a lot of really

909
00:58:37,199 --> 00:58:40,000
good feedback from people about it. And and it's funny

910
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,159
because there's a lot of people that really don't like Peter,

911
00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:46,880
that don't like Peter Ledert, and but even so it's like, oh,

912
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,480
you know, he actually makes a really good point there. Uh.

913
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,679
So I've I've kind of force fed it to our

914
00:58:52,719 --> 00:58:56,880
audience and and they've I think they've really enjoyed it.

915
00:58:58,039 --> 00:59:02,039
And yeah, I I I think the most noticeable thing

916
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:08,760
from going over this book is is how idolatrous uh,

917
00:59:09,119 --> 00:59:12,000
modern Christianity is. Where there there are so many things

918
00:59:12,039 --> 00:59:15,519
you can where you can do where where I always

919
00:59:15,559 --> 00:59:17,760
put it this way, where if if someone came to

920
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:23,280
your church and said, I I don't believe the Trinity

921
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:25,719
is real, or they I don't believe in the virgin birth,

922
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:30,480
or they deny some essential aspect of Christianity, most of

923
00:59:30,519 --> 00:59:33,159
the pastors or people in the church would like bend

924
00:59:33,199 --> 00:59:38,119
over backwards, uh to to accommodate them, to to help them,

925
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:40,920
to talk with them about it or whatever. But if

926
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,639
you if you deny one of the pieties of modern

927
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:49,239
you know, contemporary social or political life, right if you

928
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,760
have if you say, hey, uh, I don't think this

929
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,320
amendment or that amendment to the US Constitution was good,

930
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,280
or if you say, hey, I rit Christopher Caldwell's book

931
00:59:58,639 --> 01:00:01,800
Age of Entitlement, and I've I have some skepticism about

932
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,599
the Civil Rights Act, right, or or any manner of

933
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:08,280
other things. Right, you, you'll be marched out of the

934
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:09,079
church immediately.

935
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:10,039
Speaker 1: Right.

936
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 3: And so you can deny, you could deny the Christian

937
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:18,440
faith and you're you're welcome there. But if you deny

938
01:00:19,039 --> 01:00:23,079
modern liberalism, if you deny modern democracy, if you deny

939
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:27,000
any of these tenets of the actual faith that people have,

940
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,119
you're gone. We can't have you here. You're you're done.

941
01:00:31,239 --> 01:00:33,760
And and so once you see that, it's like, oh wow,

942
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,920
that's is it really Christianity that they're they're practicing?

943
01:00:37,199 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, what what?

944
01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:39,559
Speaker 3: Yeah?

945
01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:42,119
Speaker 1: What must what must I believe about the Civil rights

946
01:00:42,119 --> 01:00:43,480
here in order to be saved?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, it's it's wild, It's it's really it is

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eye opening. Uh, when you realize that no, like modern

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Christianity has much of it has accommodated itself entirely and

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remade itself into an entirely different religion.

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Speaker 1: All right, So uh podcast country Mundum, anything else you

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got there?

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Speaker 3: Uh no, that's that's about it. Uh yeah, check check

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us out. I think I think we're going live tomorrow.

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We usually go live every Friday, uh Friday afternoon, and

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so yeah, drop in if you if you are coming

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for Peach Show. Uh, let us know. Then that'll come

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on Peace Show more often.

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Speaker 2: Andrew, thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Couldn't you know with everything that happened yesterday, I had

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to have a Minnesota expert, especially someone with the background

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and how you've you know, you felt like you were

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forced to leave, and I know how much I know

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how I know how hard that was for you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was difficult. It was it was hard.

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I mean going back and visiting it's kind of painful.

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Uh to go there and see the things that you're missing,

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the people that you're missing. But uh, when when events

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like that, you know, yesterday happened, Uh, I'm thinking like, Okay,

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I've sort of gained some prominence, and my my church

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would have been a target you know, of of people

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like this, or I would have been or my kids

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or something like that. Like getting away from from these

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people is is an absolute necessity. And and it's painful

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feeling like an exile, uh, living like an exile from

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from a place you know and love.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate Andrew, So the next time, thank you.

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Speaker 3: No thanks h