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Speaker 3: so much for joining us for this live stream episode
Speaker 3: of Dogman Encounters Radio. I really appreciate you listening. Before
Speaker 3: we bring on tonight's guest, I wanted to put something
Speaker 3: out there for you. Cody from episode five point thirty four,
Speaker 3: if you'll remember, he came on and talked about his
Speaker 3: experiences with a dog woman, a female dog man named Sasha. Well,
Speaker 3: not long ago, he contacted me to bring me up
Speaker 3: to speed to let me know that since we spoke
Speaker 3: last he had had several experiences with Sasha and she's
Speaker 3: still coming around. And last night we spoke for about
Speaker 3: two hours until the wee hours of the morning, and
Speaker 3: you won't believe what happened when he had this one
Speaker 3: particular encounter with her. I'm not going to get into
Speaker 3: any details about it, but I will let you know.
Speaker 3: The good news is Tuesday night, at nine pm Eastern time,
Speaker 3: we're going to air a special live stream where Cody's
Speaker 3: going to be backed updates you to let you know
Speaker 3: what's been going on, so we hope you're going to
Speaker 3: be able to make it again. That's Tuesday, Tuesday night
Speaker 3: at nine pm Eastern Time, all right. Having said all
Speaker 3: of that, tonight's guest was featured on episode five twenty eight,
Speaker 3: and on that episode, he talked about a bad dogman
Speaker 3: encounter he had one late evening where fortunately his dog, Dallas,
Speaker 3: a white American bulldog, gave his life, saving his from
Speaker 3: this dog man that was about to kill him. At
Speaker 3: least in my opinion, it sure sounded like that dog
Speaker 3: man was about to kill Cam if Dallas, his dog,
Speaker 3: wouldn't have rushed to his aid. Well, since we spoke last,
Speaker 3: Kim had another encounter with that same dog man, unfortunately,
Speaker 3: something I was hoping would never happen, but unfortunately it did.
Speaker 3: And when you listen to Cam share the details of
Speaker 3: this most recent experience, this most recent encounter, oh boy,
Speaker 3: unfortunately it went just about as bad as it could
Speaker 3: have gone. So without any further ado, let's bring Cam
Speaker 3: in here now. Kim, thanks so much for coming back.
Speaker 2: Thanks Jampan man Man.
Speaker 3: Oh you're welcome, but I just hate the fact that
Speaker 3: you're back here for the reason that you are. I mean,
Speaker 3: I was hoping you'd never have an other experience, but
Speaker 3: it just didn't shape out to be that way, did it.
Speaker 2: No, my luck, it's always been that way. It can't
Speaker 2: go wrong. It will go wrong as it can go.
Speaker 2: But it's yeah, I'm sitting here, I'm so loud. Still
Speaker 2: got another shot one day, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's Murphy's law. Are you further away from your
Speaker 3: phone now, Caim than you were when we did the
Speaker 3: sound check? Because you don't sound as good as he
Speaker 3: did in the soundcheck.
Speaker 2: No, no, I'm still here. Comeover. Is that any better?
Speaker 3: That's a little bit better. I think we can work
Speaker 3: with that. Okay, Yeah, thanks for doing that. Whatever you did. Well.
Speaker 3: For anyone who missed that episode, Episode five, twenty eight, Cam,
Speaker 3: please tell them about yourself.
Speaker 2: Man. My name is Cam. I'm thirty one years old,
Speaker 2: more Central, Mississippi. I've got three kids, married to my
Speaker 2: beautiful wife. Yes, like I said, Like I said, there's
Speaker 2: not too much about me that's out of the ordinary.
Speaker 2: You know, see, my friends, when I can work hard
Speaker 2: all the week long and come home and enjoy my family,
Speaker 2: slash hunt and fishing time on the weekends, you know,
Speaker 2: just another dude.
Speaker 3: It really is a shame. You've carved out a good
Speaker 3: life for yourself. It's just so unfortunate that dog Man
Speaker 3: is hanging around. I really wish that wasn't the case. Well,
Speaker 3: let's dive right into it, Kim. I'm sure there are
Speaker 3: some people listening who didn't listen to episode five twenty eight,
Speaker 3: and with that in mind, for them to understand what's
Speaker 3: going on with this most recent experience, they need to
Speaker 3: know about your backstory. So can you give us, like
Speaker 3: a brief, a fairly brief explanation on what happened when
Speaker 3: you had that first encounter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I won't linger on it. It's you know, I
Speaker 2: don't want to hear it. Like they said, it's all
Speaker 2: in so five twenty eight, but in a nutshell, there's
Speaker 2: been some problems in my grandparents' farm. Me and my
Speaker 2: my friend Tyler went to uh then out in the coyotes,
Speaker 2: and we thought that was you know, I thought that
Speaker 2: would fix the problem. And during all this, you know,
Speaker 2: I have my dog with me. Uh we run into
Speaker 2: the dog Man runs into us. We were, you know,
Speaker 2: minding our business, and uh it kind of approaches us.
Speaker 2: You know, and just he's scary. You know. He approaches us,
Speaker 2: and Tyler took a shot at him because he felt threatened,
Speaker 2: so I shot him. Uh, he runs from us. We
Speaker 2: thought he was gone. We both agreed that it was
Speaker 2: time to go. He flanked us. I guess he knew
Speaker 2: where my truck was or saw us come in, or
Speaker 2: maybe why in the process of running away he heard
Speaker 2: us coming back and he flanked us. He knocked me
Speaker 2: off the four wheeler, knocked me out, and Towers again,
Speaker 2: I was I was out for this part, but Towers
Speaker 2: says that he was on me and that was pretty
Speaker 2: much in his mind it. You know, I was fixing
Speaker 2: to die. And then here comes Dallas, is my dog.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, he essentially tackles this thing off of me,
Speaker 2: and by the time I'm coming around, coming to got
Speaker 2: my wits back about me, he was uh he was
Speaker 2: all but dead and uh kind of make mad dash
Speaker 2: for this thing and kills my dog, and uh, you know,
Speaker 2: I had I had luckily had somebody with me and
Speaker 2: uh Tower, they picked up my rifle off the ground
Speaker 2: at some point you know during all this, I guess,
Speaker 2: and uh emptied it on him and he almost shot me.
Speaker 2: He really did shot, but he saved my life and
Speaker 2: the thing ran away, and I mean we had to
Speaker 2: go and bury my dog that night. I had to
Speaker 2: tell my grandpa about this, and uh woke him up
Speaker 2: in the miss like one o'clock, one thirty in the morning,
Speaker 2: and uh, I mean it was just really it. I
Speaker 2: went out looking for him, you know, several times since
Speaker 2: things many took you know, he took my dog, who
Speaker 2: was like my you know, my best friend, and he
Speaker 2: took my peace of mind. He took my you know
Speaker 2: that I can't take my kids hunting out on this
Speaker 2: playub is where it was where I grew up, you know.
Speaker 2: And uh yeah, hey, they took a lot of things
Speaker 2: from me, man, But I'll get him back one day.
Speaker 2: You know. My mind's all but made up. Somehow, someways
Speaker 2: gonna happen. But here on Friday, the thirteenth of all days,
Speaker 2: was I talked to Vic. Yes it was last week,
Speaker 2: told him about all this, but uh oh, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: ready for the me to talk about the next cart
Speaker 2: And I just kind of jumped into that Endine app.
Speaker 3: No, you're fine. You're fine. By the way, Cam, are
Speaker 3: you using your earbuds now? Because in sound check. I
Speaker 3: didn't hear any chirping, but there's like a chirping artifact
Speaker 3: when you're talking.
Speaker 2: Now. No, no, I think it's just my speakerphone.
Speaker 3: It might be what the phone's laying on.
Speaker 2: Possibly hold, I'm not sure what's going on now? Is
Speaker 2: that any better?
Speaker 3: Yeah? That right there is?
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that is better.
Speaker 3: Before we have you tell us about this most recent experience,
Speaker 3: I just wanted to make sure you understand when we
Speaker 3: had that conversation. Not too long after that, I made
Speaker 3: a post on my Facebook page. I just put it
Speaker 3: out there that I'd been putting a lot of thought
Speaker 3: into this most recent experience. It was really frustrating for
Speaker 3: me because I saw it as a checkmate type of
Speaker 3: a situation. There weren't any good options for dealing with it.
Speaker 3: There might have been some options, as some people thought
Speaker 3: were options, but they really weren't. I mean, sending people
Speaker 3: out there to try and hunt this dog man that's
Speaker 3: only going to aggravate it and just increase the possibility
Speaker 3: that it actually does harm someone their own, your grandfather's
Speaker 3: proper year, maybe even follows you to your own. So
Speaker 3: that's not an option. So I mean, it was just
Speaker 3: really frustrating because there were no good options to try
Speaker 3: and solve that situation that you're in. So I put
Speaker 3: a lot of thought into that. I normally don't spend
Speaker 3: too much time laying in bed thinking about dog me
Speaker 3: and encounters and everything, but yeah, that got some mileage
Speaker 3: on me. It definitely did. I just hate the fact
Speaker 3: you've got to deal with this. It's just so frustrating.
Speaker 3: It really is.
Speaker 2: It is, you know, but you know frustrating, is it?
Speaker 2: Maybe that's the that's a problem that has literally stared
Speaker 2: me in my face twice now, and yeah, dealing with
Speaker 2: it's really the only option that I have however it
Speaker 2: comes about. But I appreciate all your help, you know,
Speaker 2: all the words and the you know, asking around and
Speaker 2: all that. And I'm not going to send a bunch
Speaker 2: of people out there, hire a team to come out
Speaker 2: and not play. I'm not gonna put anybody else's life
Speaker 2: in danger. Just to just clear there, that's not what
Speaker 2: I'm going to do. It's not my goal.
Speaker 3: Good man. I'm glad you're not going to do that.
Speaker 3: We spoke before we came on the air, and I
Speaker 3: put Kim. I let Kim know that there is a
Speaker 3: gentleman named Beer Helper who's going to hopefully help him
Speaker 3: resolve this situation. He says he's had a lot of
Speaker 3: experience dealing with this kind of a situation before with
Speaker 3: other people, so hopefully that is going to work out.
Speaker 3: I really hope it will, but I guess time will
Speaker 3: tell on that. Well, Kim, with that, didn't you further Ado,
Speaker 3: whenever you're ready, please take your time and tell us
Speaker 3: about this most recent experience.
Speaker 2: Sure, so, I'm not superstitious to the whole Friday at
Speaker 2: thirteen thinking that happened to follow on a Friday that
Speaker 2: it was thirteenth, we normally cut out from work. I
Speaker 2: worked with Tyler. Y'all listen. I y'all know who Tyler is.
Speaker 2: He's the reason I'm able to tell you all the story.
Speaker 2: But me and Tyler worked together all day every day.
Speaker 2: I'm not with the with the company I was looking for,
Speaker 2: so I get to see you and hang out with
Speaker 2: and argue with Tyler all day long. But we we
Speaker 2: got off work. I got off work. Tyler was supposed
Speaker 2: to go with me to my grandparents place. We were
Speaker 2: gonna spread corn, check cameras usual, and his dad called
Speaker 2: him and said Hey, I need you to go to
Speaker 2: this lady's house. There's something we have to do. And
Speaker 2: he felt bad. He's like, man, you gonna be Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll be fine, don't worry about it. So I, Uh,
Speaker 2: my kids hadn't seen my grandparents in a while, so
Speaker 2: I called my wife, who was off for the doctors.
Speaker 2: She works for is off on Friday so she has
Speaker 2: the ability to work home and uh, well, my girls
Speaker 2: were home, so I called her. I said, hey, you know,
Speaker 2: it's been a while since bro seen grandma and grandpa.
Speaker 2: If y'all would like to meet me out there, I'll
Speaker 2: meet you there. And yeah, she's kind of kind of
Speaker 2: hesitant to he's aware of things. But uh brought him
Speaker 2: out there and I stopped at on the rants. On
Speaker 2: the way, I got my corn ah meet them there,
Speaker 2: walked them into the house at the carport, and uh,
Speaker 2: excuse me, Grandpa said, you know, he said, hey, everybody,
Speaker 2: and he said, where are you going. I said, I'm
Speaker 2: fixing to go and reread all his corn do all this,
Speaker 2: and he was like, no, you ain't going back, so
Speaker 2: I'm going with you. I was like, no, no, you
Speaker 2: need to stay up here at the house with the girls.
Speaker 2: You know, they want to see you, and b I'd
Speaker 2: like for you to be here, you know. So I
Speaker 2: went and grabbed the foolilver and brought it back down,
Speaker 2: got the corner out of my truck, went spread, bag,
Speaker 2: checked my camera, saw some good deer, some kyodes and stuff. Ironically,
Speaker 2: went spread the next bag, check, next camera, and I
Speaker 2: saw this great, big bruiser buck that I've been hunting
Speaker 2: for like two years now, and I thought he was
Speaker 2: shot last year. So I got excited. All right, let me,
Speaker 2: let me hurry up and get this other corner. So
Speaker 2: I bet money he's over here in this bottom on
Speaker 2: this camera too well. And in the the first two cameras,
Speaker 2: in the first bit of corn, I spread that was
Speaker 2: in the exact same spot where man Tyler had that
Speaker 2: run in with this thing the first time. So I
Speaker 2: go and I get my h my last one hundred pounds,
Speaker 2: and uh make my way down into that bottom where
Speaker 2: is normally where the big deer are anyway, and uh,
Speaker 2: I spread it, checked cameras, and sure enough he's there again.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm so excited. I mean, that's the only
Speaker 2: reason I mean out there now. And I started looking
Speaker 2: around and I was like man from where he's breaking
Speaker 2: through the trees. I need to move this. I've got
Speaker 2: a climber stand. From what climber stand is, it's a
Speaker 2: two piece deer stand that has teeth on the back
Speaker 2: of it that you dig into the tree and you
Speaker 2: essentially inch worm your way up a tree figure as
Speaker 2: high up as you want to go, or as you know,
Speaker 2: as as big as the accommodations for the tree stand
Speaker 2: will take for the tree. A man, I need to
Speaker 2: move that thing. So I got thinking, I got looking
Speaker 2: and being picky enthoosy like I am. Took me a
Speaker 2: few minutes and I figured out where I wanted. I
Speaker 2: put it on a tree. It's a bigger tree than
Speaker 2: it was onside the stead. It took me a second,
Speaker 2: and uh, I get this thing set up on the tree,
Speaker 2: and I was like, man, I haven't used it's meant
Speaker 2: sitting now since last year. I was, I need to
Speaker 2: climb up and make sure I'm not going to fall
Speaker 2: or have a break or something opening morning in my look.
Speaker 2: So I climb up to what I feel like twenty
Speaker 2: five feet, maybe above twenty feet. It's it's much harder
Speaker 2: for you know, even something with a nose like a
Speaker 2: white tailed there. It's it's extremely hard for them to
Speaker 2: wind you from that high up, you know, unless everything's
Speaker 2: just incredibly not in your favor and you're let you
Speaker 2: let your wife wash your hunting clothes the night before.
Speaker 2: But uh, I climb up. I feel like it was
Speaker 2: probably twenty five feet and uh man, it felt really
Speaker 2: good that day. The wind was blowing and you know,
Speaker 2: everything's still green. There's nothing dead out there right now,
Speaker 2: like all the green stole on the trees. But man,
Speaker 2: the breeze was kicking. Felt good. And you know, I'm chunky.
Speaker 2: I'm not in the shape that I used to be
Speaker 2: much heavier than I was, so I was out of
Speaker 2: breath by the time of making that or that that
Speaker 2: high and uh, I sit there for a minute and
Speaker 2: I'm you know everything, I'm just kind of taking it in. Man.
Speaker 2: It's it's beautiful. It feels great, nice change of pace
Speaker 2: from that hot, sticky Mississippi air we have. And uh
Speaker 2: see something out of my proof where I turned on
Speaker 2: a look and it's him. He's there. Just all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, I know where there is and uh, you know,
Speaker 2: the shock factor is like at eleven, you know, it's
Speaker 2: I had seen this thing, had hurt him, hide and
Speaker 2: no hair. Nowhere have I seen this thing. And like
Speaker 2: I said, I went out several times after you know,
Speaker 2: me and Tyler had this running with him, hoping I
Speaker 2: could see him and I could shoot him, I mean
Speaker 2: kill my dog, you know, and uh, but man, here
Speaker 2: he is. And it was all you know, broad daylight,
Speaker 2: broad daylight. Me and him. Man, we were god ten
Speaker 2: feet probably from each other that night. But by the
Speaker 2: time everything was said and done, when Tyler shot him,
Speaker 2: that dude he probably could have reached out if he
Speaker 2: wanted to, because his arms are wall unnaturally just weirdly
Speaker 2: weirdly long. And seeing him in broad daylight, it's like,
Speaker 2: I don't feel so stupid now for thinking that he
Speaker 2: looked like a hyena broad daylight. He is exactly the
Speaker 2: way I remember, look to be slightly smaller, like slim
Speaker 2: not smaller in stature, but slimmer for whatever reason. And
Speaker 2: it is I mean, I kind of resigned myself to, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm never going to see him, and I'll never have
Speaker 2: a shot to get him. It'll never happen. He got
Speaker 2: my dog, He robbed me of the ability to bring
Speaker 2: my children out here, and then safely have them come
Speaker 2: and do something that I enjoy and I want them
Speaker 2: to enjoy, you know. I just had that felt like
Speaker 2: I was going to have to eat that, you know,
Speaker 2: find somewhere else to take my kids. But here he is, man,
Speaker 2: And I mean it was, you know, just wow, you know,
Speaker 2: the shot, the awe of the but regardless, man, I
Speaker 2: hadn't seen him. It had been a half second. I
Speaker 2: pulled my pistol out and he was probably don't know, man,
Speaker 2: he's probably seventy yards too far, and uh, I tell
Speaker 2: you he's He's very fortunate I didn't have my three zero.
Speaker 2: I shot him right in the head. He did not
Speaker 2: see me. That was That was like the first thing
Speaker 2: I noticed after Oh my god, there he is. That's
Speaker 2: him right there. He didn't see me, and the wind
Speaker 2: was at my face. So I was like, all right,
Speaker 2: he has not seen me. He's not smelled me. And
Speaker 2: you know, I was, I'm I wanted to pull my
Speaker 2: phone out and call my wife. I wanted to tell
Speaker 2: her like, hey, I love you. I don't know if
Speaker 2: I'll see you again, I don't you know, or call
Speaker 2: my grandpa and tell him, hey, you know, make sure
Speaker 2: the girls stay in the house. We need to call
Speaker 2: the game, you know, all he seems to go through
Speaker 2: your head and uh, oh man, it's just you know,
Speaker 2: it's there's there's a lot at one time. But regardless,
Speaker 2: I know he hasn't seen me. And it was weird
Speaker 2: because it's just strength. Man. The last time we saw
Speaker 2: each other, he came and found us. So it's just
Speaker 2: kind of weird to have him just absmindely walking, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of. I mean, if he if he'd have kept
Speaker 2: going and not got distracted, he would have seen me.
Speaker 2: I feel like at some point he definitely would have
Speaker 2: seen me. But uh, man, it's just there he is.
Speaker 2: I can't I can't get over the you know, it's
Speaker 2: it's hard to say. It's hard. There's there's not a
Speaker 2: lot of words for seeing that. At night, it seems
Speaker 2: like a nightmare. Everything's dark and shadowy and all this
Speaker 2: that I'm talking broad day. I mean, I might as
Speaker 2: well have been watching the neighbor's dog walk down this
Speaker 2: pine tree, this pine tree thicket. But uh, anyway, man,
Speaker 2: he's parallel in this thing, and he's in between what
Speaker 2: used to be a creek bed and this pine tree
Speaker 2: thicket and this pine tree thicket is where all these
Speaker 2: big deer come from. So it makes and you know
Speaker 2: what I'm gonna tell you, It all kind of makes sense.
Speaker 2: But uh, man, I turn to look and I see
Speaker 2: something else, And for for about a half second, I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, there's another one. Well it
Speaker 2: was and it was a dog. It's this dough walking
Speaker 2: down in this creek bed. And if the wind hadn't
Speaker 2: been in my face, he would have winded him and
Speaker 2: she would have never gotten close to him. But man,
Speaker 2: she comes up out of this creek bed and they're
Speaker 2: like fifteen to twenty feet maybe twenty five it's feet.
Speaker 2: He sees her, and man, he makes pass for full
Speaker 2: fledged lunges at her, and it was kind of awkward looking,
Speaker 2: like it was like he like his movement was awkward
Speaker 2: looking because dude, he was striding coming down there. You know,
Speaker 2: if I didn't have such hatred for this thing, it
Speaker 2: would almost be it's weird to even say this that
Speaker 2: it would almost be beautiful, you know, like like not
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously he's not beautiful, but this is I mean,
Speaker 2: he's mathve. Dude, he's like eight feet tall, between seven
Speaker 2: and eight feet tall. It's a monster, like a living, breathing,
Speaker 2: walking monster, and he makes the pass for this dough
Speaker 2: and she dipped on it. She pump faked him and
Speaker 2: was gone, and he did not chase her. Did not
Speaker 2: chase her, which was weird. But I realized that the
Speaker 2: whole time he had been walking down this that he'd
Speaker 2: been parallel in this this pre this ticket, he was limping.
Speaker 2: He has the limp to him And I told Vic this,
Speaker 2: but I'm and I'm I can't confirm this. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure this, but I feel like Tyler blasted him, maybe
Speaker 2: broke his arm or something when he when he took
Speaker 2: one of like, I mean, the dude, the dude up
Speaker 2: until this point he has eight rifle rounds at right,
Speaker 2: unless they all went through and came out the other side,
Speaker 2: that dude has like seven three h eight rounds. And
Speaker 2: when that round that Tyler hit him with out of
Speaker 2: his two forty three, I mean, he's got multiple high
Speaker 2: power rifle rounds in him. So it would make sense
Speaker 2: to me that that's where his limp came from, because
Speaker 2: I mean, you don't really see deer limping because they
Speaker 2: just hurt themselves walking around in the woods. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: think that this thing would be any different being an
Speaker 2: apex predator. But man, right about you know, second or
Speaker 2: two goes by and he's missed this steer, and man,
Speaker 2: he just kind of shook and looked frustrated, like like
Speaker 2: a dog. And I realize really really quick that the
Speaker 2: wind is at my back and he is almost dead
Speaker 2: in front of me. And as soon it must have
Speaker 2: been at my back for a minute before I actually
Speaker 2: realized it, because as soon as I realize, oh god,
Speaker 2: he looks up and he didn't look directly at me,
Speaker 2: but it didn't take him but a half second, and
Speaker 2: we are all over again, just like last December, staring
Speaker 2: each other in the face, and it's you know, you
Speaker 2: will never feel safe in that situation. I don't care
Speaker 2: if they had him at this zoo, I don't care
Speaker 2: staring at one you will not feel safe. Depending on
Speaker 2: who you are, you may or may not feel genuine fear,
Speaker 2: but safe is one thing you will never feel, dude.
Speaker 2: And you know, and but what I guess what I'm
Speaker 2: getting that is last time I saw this thing, it
Speaker 2: was me, my friend, a big dog, me and me
Speaker 2: and me and Tyler are both armed to the teeth really,
Speaker 2: and that's what got us out alive. But this time
Speaker 2: he sees me, I have a pistol, just me. There's nobody, nothing,
Speaker 2: that's it, And it's like a I mean I pretty much,
Speaker 2: you know, like like I had before that was eye
Speaker 2: myself to hey, I'm not going to see this thing
Speaker 2: and I'm not going to have a chance to get
Speaker 2: to get him back for taking my bubba from me.
Speaker 2: You know. Right then I had resigned myself to, well,
Speaker 2: this is I guess this is it. You know, he's
Speaker 2: gonna die. I'm gonna die. We're both gonna die. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't you know, And uh man, A whole bunch
Speaker 2: of things go through your head. But that's that was
Speaker 2: a certain you know. I certainly thought it was a
Speaker 2: certainty that one or both of us was going to
Speaker 2: be dead before one of us left, if anybody left.
Speaker 2: But uh, I was I thought for a second. I
Speaker 2: was like, man, he's gonna have to he's gonna have
Speaker 2: to make it to the tree and he's gonna have
Speaker 2: to climb up from under me. And I, you know,
Speaker 2: I didn't have it. I wouldn't like I was messling
Speaker 2: with some big, long, crumbersome rife. I have my pistol.
Speaker 2: I was like, man, if he does that, I can
Speaker 2: shoot him right in the face. He's going to be
Speaker 2: right here, directly underneath me, and I can hit him
Speaker 2: head neck, chat, you know, whatever, anything I can to
Speaker 2: try to And you know, it's all these things, all
Speaker 2: these thoughts, all this. You know, it happened so quick,
Speaker 2: and you know, somehow you process it. I guess that's
Speaker 2: your crimeal response to an adrenaline rush. I don't know.
Speaker 2: But man, right there, out loud to myself, I was like, girls,
Speaker 2: I love y'all. I love y'all so much, and I
Speaker 2: just thought, I was like, man, I'm never going to
Speaker 2: see him again. I won't be able to say by nothing.
Speaker 2: And you know, I kind of got mad again, like
Speaker 2: I was, you know when when he had when he
Speaker 2: had taken my dog Man, and I screamed at it
Speaker 2: or bored at it whatever. You know, if somebody had
Speaker 2: been standing there looking at me, I'd probably look like
Speaker 2: a like an idiot, like Tarzan or something screaming from
Speaker 2: a tree. But you know, that's that's what came out.
Speaker 2: I didn't plan it, didn't think about it just kind
Speaker 2: of happened, and it got the message across to him
Speaker 2: that you know, I'm here, I'm not afraid of you,
Speaker 2: and if you want to kill me, you've got to brother,
Speaker 2: because I'm not going anywhere. And uh man, he looked
Speaker 2: at me and he showed me his teeth and he
Speaker 2: returned the favorite And when I tell you, it was
Speaker 2: the loudest thing I've ever heard in my life. I
Speaker 2: used to under the Pyramid when I was little. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you'll know where the Pyramid had methods
Speaker 2: as a massive bass pro shop now, but I used
Speaker 2: to go and watch monster trucks at the Pyramid, and
Speaker 2: I was like the loudest thing I've ever heard. It
Speaker 2: was unnecessarily loud to have those things inside, but at
Speaker 2: that point in my life, up until that point, that
Speaker 2: was probably the loudest thing I've ever heard. But man,
Speaker 2: you're talking about like like kirks ear drump so loud.
Speaker 2: Man's so close to me, and.
Speaker 1: Uh man, you know, I just I don't I don't care.
Speaker 2: I'm not afraid. I'm not gonna back down. And maybe
Speaker 2: maybe he didn't get enough of a fear response for
Speaker 2: me or from me, and he was going to try
Speaker 2: to elicit you know, some more fear for me or
Speaker 2: something that people people say these things can smell your
Speaker 2: fear and they feed on your I don't know how
Speaker 2: true that is or isn't, but uh man, it just
Speaker 2: threw me for the I mean, just through me for
Speaker 2: a loop. He starts to walk towards me. He didn't
Speaker 2: charge me, he didn't rush me, he didn't act like
Speaker 2: he needed to hurry up and get to me. He
Speaker 2: took steps, deliberate steps, like he was going to walk
Speaker 2: to the tree where I was, and I was going
Speaker 2: to allow him to do so. Dude, I shot eight
Speaker 2: times and I don't think I hit him but twice,
Speaker 2: but it stopped him dead in his track. And I anyway,
Speaker 2: I'll get to what I'm gonna say. So he stops,
Speaker 2: reaches with his and I'm gonna stay it again. I'll
Speaker 2: never get tired of saying it, because it's always going
Speaker 2: to be some kind of weird to say it with
Speaker 2: his hand not paul hand reaches over and grabs his
Speaker 2: ribcage and kind of, you know, he winces. They touched
Speaker 2: another spot with his other hand, but he had deliberately
Speaker 2: reached all the way across his body and grabbed where
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm positive I hit him, and he looks
Speaker 2: up at me, and it's hard to explain how it
Speaker 2: how it works, because it's not. So he looks at me,
Speaker 2: right and and when I when I if anybody listened,
Speaker 2: if anybody remembers when when that night when he was
Speaker 2: holding Dallas, after Dallas had got him, had got him
Speaker 2: off of him, and he was holding Dallas in his hands,
Speaker 2: you know, damn near dead. Sorry farm my language, but
Speaker 2: he looks at me at that, you know, while we're
Speaker 2: standing there. He looks at me and it was like
Speaker 2: he was saying. There were no words. I didn't hear
Speaker 2: a voice in my head. It was like he projected
Speaker 2: this challenge to me, come here boy, like calling me boy,
Speaker 2: like you know, like like tiny human. Whatever it was,
Speaker 2: however he meant it, but it was this I got.
Speaker 2: I got that message the same way this time, except
Speaker 2: it was you know, I'll get you like next time,
Speaker 2: or you know what, however he meant it. But maybe
Speaker 2: maybe that's what people mean when they say they communicate
Speaker 2: telepathical or they can whatever people say, because I got
Speaker 2: that loud and clear, and there were obviously no words.
Speaker 2: And like I said, I didn't hear a voice in
Speaker 2: my head. But he did his best to let me know,
Speaker 2: to portray to me right there that I'll get you.
Speaker 2: You know, at some point it's going down. However, he's
Speaker 2: gonna phrase it. And he turns and he runs again,
Speaker 2: and for the second time, I'm watching this thing that
Speaker 2: killed my dog turn and run and get away. Scott. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he caught. He caught a bullet or two, but he's obviously,
Speaker 2: you know fine. But he dropped down, backed off Ford
Speaker 2: because when he saw me, he stood up. Sorry, didn't
Speaker 2: mean to leave that out was figure. It was kind
Speaker 2: of unspoken, but he saw me, he stood up, take steps,
Speaker 2: I shoot, Everything goes by, and he turns around and
Speaker 2: drops down and runs. Well, I've been here before, been there,
Speaker 2: done that, got the postcard, all that. I've seen him
Speaker 2: run away and faint and escape before, so I don't move.
Speaker 2: I didn't get down or anything. I screamed for him
Speaker 2: for a second and he didn't come back. So eventually
Speaker 2: I pulled my I called my grandpa and I tell him,
Speaker 2: I said, hey, look, I just ran it. Because he
Speaker 2: calls him the wolf said hey, I just ran into
Speaker 2: the wolf. You know, I'm okay. I shot him. He's
Speaker 2: gone out of side. I can't see him, I can't
Speaker 2: hear him, but I know that this is what happened
Speaker 2: last anyway, told Grandpa Sa to get the girls. Put him.
Speaker 2: He's got a stormproof room in his house. To get
Speaker 2: the girls. Get everybody in the tornado room right now.
Speaker 2: And honestly, now, I didn't have any real reason to
Speaker 2: do that. It was just, you know, I'm sorry. The
Speaker 2: helicopter dad and me, one of my girls in a
Speaker 2: steel room made me feel a lot better. And Grandpa's like, well,
Speaker 2: I'm getting the truck. I'm coming to you. I was like, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: You're the only thing up there between them and this
Speaker 2: thing right now. And he never probably had any aim
Speaker 2: of going up there to the how he may not
Speaker 2: even know that house is there, I don't know. But
Speaker 2: I told girl. I was like, no, don't don't do
Speaker 2: this anyway. I h man. I start to, you know,
Speaker 2: after a couple minutes, to make my way down, and
Speaker 2: Grandpa calls me and he tells me, he said, hey,
Speaker 2: they're up. What do you want me to do if
Speaker 2: I'm coming to stay there? And man, I make it
Speaker 2: to probably ten feet I stopped. I look, and I
Speaker 2: hollered again, and I can't say what I said, but
Speaker 2: I said, you so and so I'm still here. Come here,
Speaker 2: come back, come here, And he wouldn't come here, so
Speaker 2: I I guess he's gone. I jumped from probably five
Speaker 2: or six feet. I didn't even go to the last
Speaker 2: few feet to the ground. I jumped and h man,
Speaker 2: I run to the four wheeler and I'm gone, I'm
Speaker 2: out of there. But like I said, I know, I
Speaker 2: know for a fact that he will absolutely he did before,
Speaker 2: like I said, been there and done that. He may
Speaker 2: have been waiting to flank me, or may have run
Speaker 2: somewhere out of sight to where he doesn't get an
Speaker 2: angle on me and go somewhere else. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't know what he was going to do. So I
Speaker 2: struck out over the hill, back down into the pasture
Speaker 2: where Tyler and I originally had to run in with him.
Speaker 2: And I'm screaming for him the whole time, like here
Speaker 2: I am, come get me, you know, all this stuff,
Speaker 2: And never saw him again, didn't see him, didn't hear him.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe maybe five minutes goes by, maybe,
Speaker 2: you know, from the time I hit the ground out
Speaker 2: of the stand till I was on the four wheeler moving,
Speaker 2: and I was like, all right, I gotta go, I
Speaker 2: gotta go. He's gone, So man, I book it back
Speaker 2: to the house and man, I get there and my
Speaker 2: wife is hysterical. And when I say hysterical, I mean
Speaker 2: you should never let your kids know that something is wrong,
Speaker 2: right as if there's any parents listening right now, you
Speaker 2: got to keep it chilled for your kids. They never
Speaker 2: need to know anything is wrong. Man, my kids are
Speaker 2: scared to death right. Well, my kids are twelve, four
Speaker 2: and almost two. My twelve year old is a gangster
Speaker 2: among gangsters. I'm so proud of that kid. I can't
Speaker 2: even tell you. I walked in. My grandmama has her
Speaker 2: break barrel single shot four ten looking out in the windows.
Speaker 2: My grandpa has a big, big desert eagle pistol that
Speaker 2: he is walking around brandishing. And you know, of course
Speaker 2: my kids don't know what's wrong, but something's wrong. I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, the kids, they're not stupid, they're just young. Obviously,
Speaker 2: something wrong. Mommy screaming and crying for reason. So I
Speaker 2: take her and I say, hey, go in that room.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna come talk. Well, I tell my oldest. I
Speaker 2: tell Kay, I said, babe, watch your sister. Mama's okay.
Speaker 2: He was just scared. Daddy got hurt. I'm fine, Everything's okay.
Speaker 2: And she looked at me and she said I got this.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh damn, right you dou who didn't? Right?
Speaker 2: You do? But uh, I get Kadie calm down, and
Speaker 2: uh man, it was a anyway we decide say wait,
Speaker 2: see sides right. Then we're leaving. We're going. We're not
Speaker 2: where this, that and the other. I look, I just
Speaker 2: needs you just sitting here with Grandmama for a minute.
Speaker 2: And uh, you know, I gotta I gotta talk to Grandpa.
Speaker 2: So I told him, man, I you know, I love you.
Speaker 2: I can't stand the thought of something happened to you.
Speaker 2: Y'all gonna have to find somewhere to go. You know,
Speaker 2: you can't stay here. That's not the same. And boy,
Speaker 2: when I tell you, that conversation went just about how
Speaker 2: I should have known it was gonna go. Uh my
Speaker 2: grandpa looks like John Wayne. He acts like John Wayne
Speaker 2: as well, and it's kinda he wasn't happy with what
Speaker 2: I said, and he, you know response, he was like,
Speaker 2: I can't say everything instead, But he said, you know,
Speaker 2: he said, I mean, he said, what, well, hell, so
Speaker 2: where do you want me to go? What what I
Speaker 2: look like? Abandoned in this place that I've worked my
Speaker 2: my butt off all these years to pay for and
Speaker 2: to own so that one day it can be in
Speaker 2: your family and I can give it to you. He's
Speaker 2: gonna ask you something. Are you gonna everything? He said,
Speaker 2: Are you gonna let that thing keep you from coming
Speaker 2: out here and doing what you love to do? And
Speaker 2: I was like, well known? And he was like, okay, well,
Speaker 2: how can I think you can just by asking me
Speaker 2: if anyway left that alone? And uh, you know, he's
Speaker 2: the wrong man, and he ain't scared nothing. Man, he
Speaker 2: ain't gonna be made to leave. He's not gonna you know,
Speaker 2: he'll stay there and fight that thing if he has to. Honestly,
Speaker 2: he ain't even seen him. He hadn't seen him that
Speaker 2: running with't had done anything. But that's how that went.
Speaker 2: And uh yeah, so it's I mean, it wasn't you know,
Speaker 2: I you know, I say it ended it, It didn't
Speaker 2: end you know, didn't end it all. I guess it
Speaker 2: was over for the time being. But that's that's essentially
Speaker 2: what happened with it this time a stint of it.
Speaker 2: Nobody was hurt as except except him, And uh, I'm
Speaker 2: so alive. Obviously I'm here and I will tell you
Speaker 2: guys about it. But uh, I've done a lot of uh,
Speaker 2: just a lot of thinking, a lot of planning, scheming,
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, about what I'm going
Speaker 2: to do to handle this situation. And I've got a
Speaker 2: couple of bilops. But that's what I'm dealing with here.
Speaker 2: And now h Fix lent me his listening and listening
Speaker 2: here and his his advice best advice he can offer,
Speaker 2: you know, and once again gave me a platform to
Speaker 2: come and talk to some people who believe me and
Speaker 2: wouldn't make fun of me. You know, is that.
Speaker 3: Well, as you know, I'm all too glad to do that.
Speaker 3: And like I told you, I don't have nightmares about
Speaker 3: dog men. I normally will help eyewitnesses. Some days it
Speaker 3: gets just absolutely ridiculous how many eyewitnesses need help. But
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, it's like a switch.
Speaker 3: When I'm done helping them, then I just move on.
Speaker 3: I do whatever to try and unwind. If there's time
Speaker 3: to maybe hit the woods and go for a nice walk,
Speaker 3: then I will, but I don't carry that with me.
Speaker 3: But man, after hearing about this most recent experience, I did.
Speaker 3: I did carry that with me quite a bit for
Speaker 3: some time. And like I said, it was just so frustrating.
Speaker 3: It seemed like a no win situation that there weren't
Speaker 3: any good options for And that was me. This didn't
Speaker 3: happen to me. I can only imagine on your end
Speaker 3: how difficult this has been. Those are your kids, that's
Speaker 3: your wife, that's your grandfather. I can just I can
Speaker 3: only imagine how this has hitching, how difficult this has been.
Speaker 2: I've imagine, Man, it's a it's uh that's frustrating, you know,
Speaker 2: the uncertainty and uh yeah, just I guess the helplessness,
Speaker 2: because I mean, I I myself. I'm not. I'm not
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not helpless, but I am in certain ways,
Speaker 2: Like my Grandpa's not gonna leave. There's no you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, there's absolutely no yeah, there's no convincing him,
Speaker 2: there's no change in his mind, there's no yeah. And
Speaker 2: so also I guess that's not it. So as of
Speaker 2: speaking of my grandfather, as of today Friday, as of Wednesday, morning,
Speaker 2: his dogs are both dead. Both of them are dead
Speaker 2: in his yard. Buddy, Bloody is all get out when
Speaker 2: you go past his house and he you know those
Speaker 2: I mean, those are only two dogs he got. He
Speaker 2: got sorry, he got three dogs. One of the old
Speaker 2: she don't even go outside, you know, she's not long
Speaker 2: for the world. She's on the way out. But Dack
Speaker 2: and Ruby have been running that property, you know, since
Speaker 2: they got there because or five years old or so,
Speaker 2: and uh, Jack and Ruby turned up dead Wednesday morning.
Speaker 2: You go past their house, their driveway runs all the
Speaker 2: way to the back of the property, past their house,
Speaker 2: and at their at the house, it stops, it goes
Speaker 2: into their crup work, but it turns into their yard
Speaker 2: and there's like a trail that it would have been
Speaker 2: the driveway it was way back, you know when we
Speaker 2: own the property, I guess. But right there at the
Speaker 2: trailhead where it goes from yard to narrowing down to
Speaker 2: just a trail that goes back to where Dallas and
Speaker 2: my other dog are buried. They were both laid out
Speaker 2: right there, just sewed all the pieces. Man. So now
Speaker 2: not only is it not only is it going to
Speaker 2: be impossible for me to change. My Grandpa's he's going
Speaker 2: to be on the war path. He's he's going to
Speaker 2: go out of his and it's that that's the helplessness
Speaker 2: going to talk about. He's going to go out of
Speaker 2: his way to do everything that he can to kill
Speaker 2: her name, you know, whatever he can, this thing, this monster,
Speaker 2: this dog. Man. I mean, it's you know, there's no
Speaker 2: there's nothing that I can do for as far as
Speaker 2: telling him, like Grandpa, just leave it alone, because I mean,
Speaker 2: and what what kind of hypocrite would I be? I'm
Speaker 2: gone looking at it. I'm gone looking for him since
Speaker 2: he took my dog to me. And you know, my
Speaker 2: my grandpa is a hard, hard, hardhearted man. But dude,
Speaker 2: his dogs and his grandchildren and you know, now his
Speaker 2: great grandchildren are the only things he's ever been sold
Speaker 2: for in his life. And man, those were house dogs.
Speaker 2: They get wet out during the day to run some
Speaker 2: but man, those are there, those are lap dogs. You
Speaker 2: know that was there was a Jack was a or
Speaker 2: it's year old blue healer and uh and Ruby, I
Speaker 2: don't even know what God know she was, but she was,
Speaker 2: I mean, she was the light of their lives. They
Speaker 2: love those dogs. And now you know they're gone, and
Speaker 2: I don't know, if you know, I I don't know, man,
Speaker 2: that it makes sense to me that he would have
Speaker 2: done it. But there's a lot of coyotes too. I mean,
Speaker 2: I just they've been running around in the woods with
Speaker 2: coyotes for years now and nothing's happened to him, and
Speaker 2: you know, it just kind of I don't know, but
Speaker 2: he seems to think that it was it was the
Speaker 2: wolf man. I don't I don't. Oh, I don't know
Speaker 2: what to tell him. I don't know. I just I
Speaker 2: told him, like, let me just just hang back and
Speaker 2: let me handle. I'm gonna figure out a way to Hannibal.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm gonna devise a way to get him.
Speaker 2: He's not gonna get away with everything that he's done.
Speaker 2: You know, it's you know, there's there's gonna be some
Speaker 2: kind of some kind of consequences for him, and he's
Speaker 2: he's not happening. No, that's not enough for him. He
Speaker 2: says about like I was when it when it killed
Speaker 2: my dog. You know, he's a he's a he's a salty,
Speaker 2: gritty old man.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't, Wow, I'm so sorry to hear
Speaker 3: that happened that's horrible. I hope he doesn't wind up
Speaker 3: getting himself killed now he's so upset about that dog
Speaker 3: me and killing his dogs. And I bet good money
Speaker 3: it was that Dogmian that did that. I wouldn't be
Speaker 3: surprised in the least if it was that dogman in fact, you,
Speaker 3: like I said, I bet good money on it. Before
Speaker 3: we move on, I want to put this out there.
Speaker 3: Both David Daniels and Bang Bang, thank you so much
Speaker 3: for your donations. I really appreciate it. I do. Before
Speaker 3: I started doing some questions, some other questions at Sha
Speaker 3: Kim in our most recent conversation, you told me, and
Speaker 3: I didn't until then. You told me that you live
Speaker 3: pretty close to an area that it's very well known
Speaker 3: for dog mean activity. Please talk us through that.
Speaker 2: I do so. I'm not I'm not sure of the
Speaker 2: like the origin of the story or whatever. But if
Speaker 2: you've ever heard of this, the dog man stage of
Speaker 2: locket rants, those are real people. You can look them up.
Speaker 2: Don't know about the story, it's not. I just don't know.
Speaker 3: It didn't happen.
Speaker 2: It didn't no story.
Speaker 3: That's all it is is a story. Not to interrupt you,
Speaker 3: but when you talk with people with eyewitnesses Bonifie Dogman,
Speaker 3: eyewitnesses from that area of Taylor, Mississippi. And they never
Speaker 3: heard about that happening. They're family members, never heard a
Speaker 3: whisper about that ever happening. They're friends who like them,
Speaker 3: and their family grew up in that area, and their
Speaker 3: uncles and grandfather and in great grandfather, everyone grew up
Speaker 3: in that area. No one ever said a word about
Speaker 3: that supposed siege ever happening. That's all it is. It's
Speaker 3: just a story. But anyway, not to interrupt, I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: I apologize, Please continue.
Speaker 2: No, you're good. I just I legitimately didn't know the
Speaker 2: legitimacy of that. But it's it's supposedly you know, it's
Speaker 2: it's Taylor, Taylor, Mississippi. I don't live far from it
Speaker 2: at all. And me and Tyler just built a house there,
Speaker 2: me and him and his dad and no dude or
Speaker 2: two and uh this I don't know if this was
Speaker 2: something I told you the other day or not. But
Speaker 2: there's a there's a I can't remember her name, but
Speaker 2: me and my wife went out not long ago with
Speaker 2: a couple of her friends who she hadn't seen in
Speaker 2: a while. There was a woman there at the far
Speaker 2: we were at and I ended up having a conversation
Speaker 2: with and she is from Taylor, and she told me
Speaker 2: she didn't know what it was, but VIC, I guarantee
Speaker 2: you'll know what it was when I start talking about it.
Speaker 2: This woman said that she was outside on her back
Speaker 2: porch smoking a cigarette or doing something and big, big,
Speaker 2: huge tree starts like shaking, shaking right out behind her house,
Speaker 2: like scared her to death, she said. She said, I
Speaker 2: went inside because I thought I heard like a month
Speaker 2: from or something. And she looked at me like like, please,
Speaker 2: don't think I'm crazy, And I'm like, I promise I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna call you crazy. If I were to tell
Speaker 2: you my accounts of what I've seen or been through
Speaker 2: or whatever, you probably called me crazy. But she continues
Speaker 2: on and tells me this, yeah, this went on forever,
Speaker 2: Like I went inside and drank coffee and myself away
Speaker 2: and all this that and the other. But again, this
Speaker 2: is in Taylor's in Taylor. Well, there was some some
Speaker 2: other radio show I listened to where this guy claims
Speaker 2: to have been working at a like a ower substation
Speaker 2: off of Old Taylor Road at sundown and seeing like
Speaker 2: a pack of these things or so again, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know that real name. I don't know if
Speaker 2: this really happened. I don't know. But Taylor is, always
Speaker 2: has been, and probably always will be a spot where
Speaker 2: I mean just countless you know, accounts and sightings and
Speaker 2: all this stuff has happened. But no, I don't. I
Speaker 2: don't live very far from it. All. I've got my
Speaker 2: good buddy Allen lives like five minutes from there, you know,
Speaker 2: he's a don't and he had a big foot encounter
Speaker 2: in Abbeyville. Him and him and another dude that I
Speaker 2: went to school with. They've they've told me, you know,
Speaker 2: they told me about this. I mean, it's weird things everywhere, man,
Speaker 2: and it just why did it have to be on
Speaker 2: my place? You know? Why do I have to be?
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't mean to sound like why I
Speaker 2: meet people, because I'm gonna find a way to deal
Speaker 2: with it, don't worry. But it's just, yeah, Taylor's real close,
Speaker 2: and apparently they're they're way far out from Taylor too,
Speaker 2: because I'm in fifteen minutes from it. Probably we did,
Speaker 2: we just built the house there for these these pretty
Speaker 2: wealthy people and uh took everything in me to ask them, Like, man,
Speaker 2: I ain't say anything weird out behind your house or anything,
Speaker 2: have you? Yeah, yeah, no, Yeah, it's Taylor's hots always
Speaker 2: has been, probably always will be. But uh that and
Speaker 2: it always brings national forest too. See.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're surrounded by hotspots. Unfortunately, says sheman has to
Speaker 3: be that way, but yeah, that's how it is. Let's
Speaker 3: get to some questions now from the listeners in the chat.
Speaker 3: The first one up is from Peppercat, and she wants
Speaker 3: to know, Hi, Vic and Kim, can you share details
Speaker 3: about how the teeth it showed you look like? Sorry
Speaker 3: about your experiences with dog men?
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you appreciate it. No, they're they're big, They're
Speaker 2: not some people. And again I'm not speaking for anybody
Speaker 2: else because I can only speak for myself my first
Speaker 2: hand experience. But man, if you took let me use
Speaker 2: my dog. For example, Dallas was they big, big dog
Speaker 2: man and his teeth were hard to say, an inch measurements.
Speaker 2: I never once measured him, but they were big enough.
Speaker 2: He'd a bitch your hand, he'd have shattered your hand. Dude,
Speaker 2: These dogs, I mean, these dogs, this dude's teeth are
Speaker 2: like two and a half, possibly three times the size
Speaker 2: of I mean, head's big. It's not like cartoonishly big
Speaker 2: like people make it out to be like some people
Speaker 2: that again, maybe somebody has seen one that looks like that.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but he's pretty proportionate. And his teeth
Speaker 2: follows suit. I mean they were and they weren't nasty,
Speaker 2: dingy yellow teeth. I mean, he's got a pile full
Speaker 2: of pearly whites. It's so Imagine his breath that's not
Speaker 2: too good. His teeth don't look like years ago through
Speaker 2: the dentist. Imagine can get dubbed on with him? They
Speaker 2: ever felt like it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they normally do get the job done with them. Unfortunately.
Speaker 3: The next one is from Tim Webb, and Tim wants
Speaker 3: to know, what was the first feature you noticed on
Speaker 3: the dog men.
Speaker 2: Kim as posture? Posture? Man like that? You know, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you heard the you know, the
Speaker 2: ordeal that went down this last December that gave me
Speaker 2: the platform to do a bit with But man, it
Speaker 2: was I swear to you swear, and when I and
Speaker 2: this this this past couple weeks ago, Man, it was
Speaker 2: the same, like I really I felt like, like, I know,
Speaker 2: I know, I don't sound so stupid even to myself
Speaker 2: for thinking he looked like a hyena, like on all
Speaker 2: fours anyway, he looks like a hyaena. Is this posture
Speaker 2: resembles a hyaena? His back legs are way more tucked
Speaker 2: up under him in his front. I got to get
Speaker 2: out of the habit of trying to say front legs.
Speaker 2: He has arms, does not have front legs, but they're
Speaker 2: they're long. They're really really long. I mean, like like
Speaker 2: in comparison, his front legs are like you're seeing somebody
Speaker 2: with one of those really ugly squatted trucks where the
Speaker 2: back end the bumpers almost dragging the ground. In the
Speaker 2: front end you can't see over the hood his front arms,
Speaker 2: I mean, his front his arms are that much longer
Speaker 2: than his legs are in the rear, you know, at
Speaker 2: least from that posture. It's it's really weird looking, man,
Speaker 2: it's strained. But you know, but in broad daylight, man,
Speaker 2: I don't think there was really anything about him that
Speaker 2: I didn't get just crazy good looking. I mean it was, man,
Speaker 2: it was dark the first time, and what really stuck
Speaker 2: out to me the first time where his ears they
Speaker 2: were really forward facing. They don't have these these tuffs
Speaker 2: of hair on the end like lots of people say.
Speaker 2: But his eyes, man, they have their own like not bioluminescs.
Speaker 2: They're they're luminous themselves, like they have a glow of themselves.
Speaker 2: There was no there was no moonlight to shine his
Speaker 2: like for his eyes to shine, and we weren't shining
Speaker 2: a flashlight at him. His eyes have a glow in
Speaker 2: and of or all of them, I guess, have a
Speaker 2: glow in and of themselves. And it's yellow, like yellow
Speaker 2: as yellow could be, like some people call it amber.
Speaker 2: That's that's pretty close, I guess. But I mean, and
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's creepy looking. But dude, in broad daylight,
Speaker 2: you figured he's not all madded up. They looked like
Speaker 2: he just went to the gloomer. But you think about
Speaker 2: like suit of deer. They live outside all day, all
Speaker 2: day long, all year round. They're never inside. But they
Speaker 2: looked I didn't normal, like they look like a like
Speaker 2: a dog. Would I mean that he wasn't all madded
Speaker 2: and mangy looking or excuse me, I wasn't all madden
Speaker 2: or mangy looking. Or anything like that. But he I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, it's just really really hard to
Speaker 2: just outright describe looking at one of these things. It's
Speaker 2: not normal. You're not supposed to have to think about
Speaker 2: something like that. But but no, man, overall, you know,
Speaker 2: in the i'd say, in the first few seconds of
Speaker 2: laying eyes on him in broad freaking daylight, his posture
Speaker 2: with what got me first, and I kind of and
Speaker 2: I realized exactly that's exactly why I thought he was
Speaker 2: what he was when I first saw him and dark.
Speaker 3: Then Yeah, like I've told you before, life is so
Speaker 3: complicated and difficult. It really is a shame yet to
Speaker 3: deal with these experiences. It's just not fear, It's not
Speaker 3: This next question is from Monique, and Monique wants to know, Kim,
Speaker 3: do you have any fear? I would we myself.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, what do you mean by theater? Like,
Speaker 2: am I afraid of him? No? I'm not. No, it
Speaker 2: was it was it was frightening, no, no joke all
Speaker 2: you know, whatever side the first time I lay I
Speaker 2: laid eyes on him, Yeah, there was like a shocked,
Speaker 2: you know, fear factor for a minute or so. But overall, man,
Speaker 2: like I don't you know you'd be surprised that the
Speaker 2: things that I'm scared of it, I mean, it'd be
Speaker 2: something you'd probably laugh at me, Like I'm scared of height.
Speaker 2: I was. I was, I was when I climbed, when
Speaker 2: I when I re arranged my climbers stand, I climbed
Speaker 2: up that I had to be twenty five feet. So
Speaker 2: they say at thirty feet a white tail. Even if
Speaker 2: they just can't wind you, they can't get your sin,
Speaker 2: you know. So I didn't want to go that high.
Speaker 2: I didn't want to go how it was, but I
Speaker 2: needed to get as close as that thirty foot Marcus.
Speaker 2: I felt like I could. And even then I may
Speaker 2: have been shy of but anythow that didn't have a
Speaker 2: measure mistake. But I was more nervous about being up
Speaker 2: that high than I was because when I saw him,
Speaker 2: all your your your adenoaline spikes. I don't care who
Speaker 2: you are, how composed you are, you're adrenaline spike. You're
Speaker 2: hearing dolls itself and everything else kind of slows down.
Speaker 2: Like I guess that's your body's response to or your
Speaker 2: instincts or whatever, your response to do an out like
Speaker 2: an outside threat but you know what I'm what I'm
Speaker 2: afraid of. What I'm terrified of other than you know,
Speaker 2: heights and getting a stop. Afraid of needles as well.
Speaker 2: You'll have a laugh at me. But uh, I'm afraid
Speaker 2: of my my you know, my kids being living in
Speaker 2: the world where those things are. I'm a helicopter dad,
Speaker 2: you know, like I'm I'm I'm my kids. But man,
Speaker 2: by their old enough move out happened my dad, leave
Speaker 2: me alone. I don't care. They're gonna be safe, you know,
Speaker 2: they you know, I try to work on letting them
Speaker 2: have a little bit more freedom, you know or whatever.
Speaker 2: But now you know, man, they definitely can't go outside
Speaker 2: by themselves. I've never once seen this thing at my
Speaker 2: house I live. I I live probably I live forty
Speaker 2: minutes from my grandparents' property like my house where I
Speaker 2: live where I reside with my family, it's probably forty
Speaker 2: minutes me, you know. But I still as being the
Speaker 2: helicopter dad that I am and not having a dog
Speaker 2: like Dallas anymore. I don't have a big male dog
Speaker 2: to protect my kids anymore. My dogs would do it,
Speaker 2: but it's just not the same sense of security, you
Speaker 2: know that I used to get. But I'm terrified of
Speaker 2: my kids being outside with something like that out there,
Speaker 2: like that scares. That scares me to the point of
Speaker 2: like I don't even know, like I don't have words
Speaker 2: for that. That's terrifying. I mean, that's terror. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm plenty scared. I'm not. I'm not
Speaker 2: going to say that I'm not scared of anything at all,
Speaker 2: because yeah, I'm I'm scared of that. I don't fear
Speaker 2: any man. And you know, seeing that thing, you know
Speaker 2: I'm saying, I'm used to it, never used to it.
Speaker 2: But no, I'm not afraid of him. You know, i'd
Speaker 2: I'm not king of Earth either, But you better have
Speaker 2: as much of a healthy fear of me as I
Speaker 2: could have him. But I mean, I don't. No, I'm
Speaker 2: scared of plenty I do have. I do have fear,
Speaker 2: no doubt, Yeah, I have fear.
Speaker 3: It's only natural that you would, and you are human
Speaker 3: after all. One of the reasons why this has been
Speaker 3: so difficult for me is just one of the reasons
Speaker 3: is the fact that what something you just mentioned. Your kids,
Speaker 3: I mean, kids are going to be kids. You can
Speaker 3: only throttle them back so much. They're going to be kids.
Speaker 3: And I mean in our conversations, I've been trying to
Speaker 3: impress upon you how dire of a situation this is.
Speaker 3: You asked about if you moved, what are the odds
Speaker 3: that might follow you? Well, like we talked about in
Speaker 3: that last conversation, Yeah, there is every possibility that that
Speaker 3: fil knows where you live. It followed you home from
Speaker 3: your grandfather's house. No guarantee that's the case, but there's
Speaker 3: a strong possibility that that is reality. Well, if it
Speaker 3: does know where you live, then one of the frustrating
Speaker 3: aspects of all this is you could move one hundred
Speaker 3: miles away and it might show up one day. I
Speaker 3: don't know how they do that, but I mean that
Speaker 3: happens with these things. So it goes right back to
Speaker 3: the whole fact that there are no easy solutions for this.
Speaker 3: It's just really frustrating, it really is. It's frustrating for me, So,
Speaker 3: like I said, I can only imagine how frustrating it's
Speaker 3: got to be for a dad. You trying to wrap
Speaker 3: your mind around all this and to try and resolve it.
Speaker 2: It's just bad. Yeah, it was just me. You know,
Speaker 2: I didn't have kids about wasn't married. You know, it
Speaker 2: is what it is. You know, I'm not gonna let
Speaker 2: it control me. I'm not going. I'll never not go
Speaker 2: to my grandparents' house. I mean, you know, And that's
Speaker 2: that's my play. I don't care. I don't think I
Speaker 2: said this before, but I don't care how long that
Speaker 2: thing's been around. I don't. It doesn't matter to me
Speaker 2: one bit. That's that's mine, that belongs to me and
Speaker 2: my family, and you know that's I myself will be okay.
Speaker 2: I just I just want my kids to be okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope that's the case. I hope you will
Speaker 3: be okay. There is no guarantee on that, unfortunately, because
Speaker 3: as sneaky as these things are, as fast as they are,
Speaker 3: if it really wants to come get you, if you
Speaker 3: go into that area, put yourself in its presence, then yeah,
Speaker 3: it's in total control of that. I don't care if
Speaker 3: you're armed or what. It's just a bitter truth than this.
Speaker 3: The next question is from Mark Mazumucci Mazzamechi, and he
Speaker 3: wants to know any chance of upgrading the four wheeler
Speaker 3: to something with walls.
Speaker 2: Huh, the four wheeler was upgraded, so the one. What?
Speaker 4: Uh what, Grandpa? And it's my grandfather for this is
Speaker 4: a mine that this happened with. But uh so, up
Speaker 4: until this past December, he had a.
Speaker 2: Under a Foreman five hundred the fuel injected one full drive. Yeah,
Speaker 2: perfect farm four wheeler. Uh h terribly fat in my
Speaker 2: might run forty five fifty miles an half or something
Speaker 2: like that. But uh and since then Grandpa has upgraded
Speaker 2: to a cannon Renegade one thousand R. Which what possessed
Speaker 2: him to do that? I have no idea, But I
Speaker 2: will tell you that while I was, while I was
Speaker 2: out and about right after, you know, while before I
Speaker 2: made my move to go back to the house this
Speaker 2: last time around, dude, I was rip roorn, snorting that
Speaker 2: thing and screaming for that dude, he'd have had a
Speaker 2: time catching me if he if he'd ha showed himself again,
Speaker 2: he'd had a time catching me on that thing, because
Speaker 2: it was a I mean, my grandpa is seventy seventy
Speaker 2: six seventy seven now, and uh, I just I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure he bought it because he knows I want,
Speaker 2: because he knows I want to pull my my duck
Speaker 2: boat duck hunting with it and stuff. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: I mean, it's just bad to fall. It's grateful with it.
Speaker 2: But he's he's never been a side by side guy.
Speaker 2: You know, he's never really been one of the you know,
Speaker 2: I guess. Uh, I don't know if it's something to
Speaker 2: do with it being closed or or what. But uh no,
Speaker 2: if I I don't know, if I get something by myself,
Speaker 2: yeah I might get I might get something to think closed.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just safer for the kid, even if
Speaker 2: we're not talking about you know this, it's just safe
Speaker 2: for kids to have something over their head. Say some
Speaker 2: crazy happens and you roll or whatever. Yeah, I get
Speaker 2: for me, I guess that's possibility. Now, Grandpa, he spent
Speaker 2: his money. He's tired in the Dutch, but he ain'tna
Speaker 2: spend money on anything else.
Speaker 3: Well, keep in mind too, if you're riding around out
Speaker 3: there and something that's got walls, that's just to make
Speaker 3: you feel better. If it wants to get you. It
Speaker 3: doesn't matter if you're in a side by side with
Speaker 3: glass doors. It can still get you if it wants to.
Speaker 3: So I'm glad, you know, to keep ahead your head
Speaker 3: on a swivel, because anytime if it does decide that
Speaker 3: it really has it in for you, it wants to
Speaker 3: get you, then yeah, that's when all the problems really start.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately.
Speaker 3: This next question for you is from Catherine Cohen, and
Speaker 3: she wants to know do you have a plan in
Speaker 3: place if this dog man breaches your home?
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, yeah, I do. Well, I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: it's much of a bunch of a plan as you
Speaker 2: can have. I mean, it really would depend. You know,
Speaker 2: am I in my home in the middle of the
Speaker 2: night in the sins? I mean, I've got dogs. It
Speaker 2: won't get in my house without me knowing. But my
Speaker 2: my doors and windows stay locked. So I mean, other
Speaker 2: than fourced entry, there's no way it's going to get in,
Speaker 2: which you know, of course not you know, not a naive.
Speaker 2: If he wanted to fourth entry, he certainly could. But yeah, yeah, man,
Speaker 2: we got a twelve games with a bunch of slugs,
Speaker 2: a three o eight loaded up with all five rounds
Speaker 2: and smith and Western forty caliber pistol that has been
Speaker 2: old trusted by my side and has stopped him once.
Speaker 2: Whether you know he just decided, Okay, how that hurt,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna leave or or that thing's a danger to
Speaker 2: my life. I don't know. I'm not in his head,
Speaker 2: but uh, yeah, I know, my my wife is is
Speaker 2: really good with a gun. I'm really good with a gun.
Speaker 2: And you know, all but our oldest. We have two
Speaker 2: youngest children sleep in our bed, so they'd be right there.
Speaker 2: But uh, you know, my oldest are into the house.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's really it's Yeah, I guess there's much
Speaker 2: of a plan as you can have in place. It's
Speaker 2: just kind of hard to plan for, you know, something
Speaker 2: you don't know, many angles on, you know. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean I guess as much as you can't have one,
Speaker 2: we have one.
Speaker 3: Well those are that thing. I hope that never does happen,
Speaker 3: so you have to find out how prepared you are
Speaker 3: in that event. I really hope it never does. Hondra's
Speaker 3: Kirazalez has the next question. He wants to know. Sorry
Speaker 3: to ask this, but where their heart's gone. I'm sure
Speaker 3: he's asking about your grandfather's two dogs.
Speaker 2: I'm honestly not sure. I know they were partially eating,
Speaker 2: and you know, my Paula does it's not some of them,
Speaker 2: but like that's my grandpa or whatever. But responsibility and
Speaker 2: told me they was.
Speaker 3: So maybe, well that is their mo o. So yeah,
Speaker 3: if the dog man did actually dispatch them, then there's
Speaker 3: a strong possibility that's the case. So yeah, it's unfortunate.
Speaker 3: This next question is from Michigan meat Eater, and he
Speaker 3: wants to know did you feel as safe as you
Speaker 3: could in the tree or do you think they can climb?
Speaker 2: Well, no, because I'm scared of heights. First of all,
Speaker 2: I'm terrified being up there. But no, I mean it
Speaker 2: was kind of it was more so that he didn't
Speaker 2: see me, yeah, at first, and it was just kind
Speaker 2: of I guess it was like knowing that I had
Speaker 2: to drop on him, essentially because I promise you. I
Speaker 2: promised you. If i'd have had my three oh a,
Speaker 2: I don't know if one would have done the job
Speaker 2: or not, but i'd have put one right in the
Speaker 2: left side of his face or on the left side
Speaker 2: of his head. But I mean, I'm a decent shot
Speaker 2: with a pistol. I mean, I'm well above average shot
Speaker 2: with a pistol, but at seventy yards through brush and
Speaker 2: all that, it's just, you know, that wasn't something I
Speaker 2: was willing to I wouldn't I wouldn't that comfortable say that,
Speaker 2: but being being up might have given me a little
Speaker 2: bit of extra security. But no, I mean I did.
Speaker 2: I thought to myself, excuse me, I thought to myself
Speaker 2: at some point that you know, he's going to have
Speaker 2: to come up this tree, and when he does, he's
Speaker 2: going to be directly below me. And you know, a
Speaker 2: big bulky climber. Stand I mean, it's like a it's
Speaker 2: like a I mean what brand it is, But it
Speaker 2: was I had had a good shot down the tree
Speaker 2: under me. He he you know, he'd have had to
Speaker 2: come straight from the ground directly to me and snatch
Speaker 2: me out or whatever he plan to do, because I
Speaker 2: you know him, him not having eyes on me and
Speaker 2: not winding me at first and having to drop on
Speaker 2: him is really what gave me my there's no sense
Speaker 2: of security. Let me let me not say that, let
Speaker 2: me not miss leave anybody. It gave me as much
Speaker 2: of a sense security as I could have had in
Speaker 2: that situation.
Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, in a situation like that, you'll take
Speaker 3: any bit of confidence or feeling of security that you
Speaker 3: can get. So I'm glad you had some looks like
Speaker 3: Andre's car Azalez. This is another question for you. He
Speaker 3: wants to know, Kim, did this attack seem malicious in nature?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, man, do this I will be honestly,
Speaker 2: it's it's been. It seemed like it was malicious since
Speaker 2: the first time. I mean what I tell you when
Speaker 2: I say that, man, this thing had my dog man like,
Speaker 2: he had a hold of him, and it was this
Speaker 2: isn't something, you know. So he had bitten Dallas a
Speaker 2: couple of times by the time, by the time I
Speaker 2: was up and standing and was fully conscious of where
Speaker 2: I was and what was going on and why I
Speaker 2: heard the noises that I was in. I don't realize
Speaker 2: how big this thing's claws are. Right Like he Dallas
Speaker 2: couldn't have got if he was you know, if he
Speaker 2: was fully, fully conscious and still full of fight, he's
Speaker 2: still cutting. He still couldn't have gotten way that. I mean,
Speaker 2: he had calls in him while he looked at me.
Speaker 2: And when I when I when I say that, you know,
Speaker 2: he didn't open his mouth and use words. He didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't hear a voice in my head. But come on, boy,
Speaker 2: come here, boy, come here to me, Come here, boy.
Speaker 2: That that challenge, that that that goating. They're trying to
Speaker 2: goad me into and I and now looking about, I
Speaker 2: did exactly what he wanted. I ran straight for him.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what he wanted me to do. And you know,
Speaker 2: I don't really care, man, I you know, I die
Speaker 2: with my brother. I don't. I don't. I don't. You know.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have I would never want to leave my kids.
Speaker 2: But man, in that moment there there was there was
Speaker 2: one option, and it was trying to save my dog. Man.
Speaker 2: But he was I mean, he was already gone, and
Speaker 2: I just didn't, you know, I didn't realize that. But
Speaker 2: he was very well already gone. And he knew that.
Speaker 2: Not Dallas, but this thing. It knew that. But man, no,
Speaker 2: when he when he saw me this this past Friday,
Speaker 2: but whatever do fridays go her along those? No, Man,
Speaker 2: when he turned and looked, and so I'm telling you
Speaker 2: it was it was the wind must have been at
Speaker 2: my back for like a couple of seconds, because there's
Speaker 2: no way he winded me so fast as to I
Speaker 2: just felt the breeze behind me and he winded me
Speaker 2: because we were still forty yards maybe if that I'm
Speaker 2: probably more like thirty. But no, man, he looked up
Speaker 2: at me and showed me to like he knew who
Speaker 2: I was. He's, dude, there's near human intelligence in these things.
Speaker 2: Like I'm not an I'm not an expert or anything
Speaker 2: like that. But you know, I've I've I said this
Speaker 2: to Vic and it's and it's in a weird way,
Speaker 2: but I've got way more experience with this thing, or
Speaker 2: with these things in general than most people. I've got
Speaker 2: face to face experience with them, which not a lot
Speaker 2: of people can say. And when I tell you that, yeah, no, absolutely,
Speaker 2: there's no question that there's there's malice about it. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: he looked at me and showed me his teeth. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't know if he was trying to
Speaker 2: get beer from me or you know, that was just
Speaker 2: something he does instinctally. Maybe it probably is. Maybe, but uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's there's no lack of malice when it comes to
Speaker 2: me in this thing.
Speaker 3: Fairly, no, I'd say not. Unfortunately, it looks like Sonia
Speaker 3: Vassalo has the next one up on deck. She wants
Speaker 3: to know. Sorry if Cam mentioned this and I missed it,
Speaker 3: but what color were the dog man's eyes?
Speaker 2: Man, there's between yellow and amber. I guess that would
Speaker 2: call it amber. And you know it's they don't stand
Speaker 2: out as much in the daytime, you know, obviously, so
Speaker 2: but uh man that that first night when we saw him,
Speaker 2: it was that was man that was creepy. That I mean,
Speaker 2: his his size and his posture and the way he moved.
Speaker 2: Really what was what was the creepy part about it?
Speaker 2: And I knew what it was like, you know, I
Speaker 2: knew as soon as he stood up. I didn't even
Speaker 2: have like a complete and total visual on him yet,
Speaker 2: but that's what was creepy. But no, they're you know,
Speaker 2: I guess amber is like a yellow brown, I guess,
Speaker 2: but I guess, I guess yellow would be the best word,
Speaker 2: the best. And I guess I saw less of him
Speaker 2: this past time around because I was, like I said,
Speaker 2: broad daylight, I don't sign as much, but I have
Speaker 2: seen him when they were at there or most whatever
Speaker 2: the illuminated whatever the word is. But it's it's pretty
Speaker 2: close to yellow. That's the best part I can give you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got too good to look at them, unfortunately,
Speaker 3: could he laughing? Wolf has next question. Coodie wants to know, Well,
Speaker 3: it's actually a piece of advice. His message is, Kim,
Speaker 3: I feel for you. Be safe, but don't take this
Speaker 3: creature lightly. Sasha maybe a sweetheart by comparison, but yours
Speaker 3: is indeed a monster.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean, man, I won't I promise. I'm
Speaker 2: you know, I said if I was a single dude
Speaker 2: with no kids, that's you know, that's not something I
Speaker 2: would ever stay lightly. I'm glad your experiences don't go
Speaker 2: this way, and I hope and pray that they never do.
Speaker 2: As a Yeah, I just don't. Oh, it's just just
Speaker 2: confusing and unnerving. And if you're a man, if your
Speaker 2: experiences with yours are pleasant, do whatever you can to
Speaker 2: keep it that way, because I'm you.
Speaker 5: Know, I'll I'll die before I take him lightly. You
Speaker 5: know it's there, I die if I did take him lightly.
Speaker 2: I guess, but uh hopefully I'd say I'd be I'd
Speaker 2: say I'd be happy he was up and left and
Speaker 2: was gone forever, and if if there was some way
Speaker 2: I could know that he would never come back without
Speaker 2: him being dead. But at this point that's just it's
Speaker 2: really just not enough for me. Like I want to
Speaker 2: see him, I want him. I don't want to mount
Speaker 2: any stuff on the wall. I don't want to say
Speaker 2: him like that, but I want him dead. He's got
Speaker 2: to go. There's there's evil there, man, there's absolutely evil there.
Speaker 2: And you know it's it's kind of a like it's
Speaker 2: kind of muddy water we're waiting in right now, because honestly,
Speaker 2: Tyler casts the first stone. If you if you really
Speaker 2: want to, really really really want to break it down,
Speaker 2: sput hair to get technical. You know, we fired on him,
Speaker 2: but the dude had no b I mean, he didn't
Speaker 2: have any business there, Like you didn't have what business
Speaker 2: you have coming and trying to scare me? You know
Speaker 2: what business you have trying to elicit some kind of
Speaker 2: a some kind of you know, trying to feed on
Speaker 2: my fear or whatever, if that's true or whatever. It mean,
Speaker 2: you don't have any business coming around me or my family,
Speaker 2: because I mean, God forbid, if i'd had my kids
Speaker 2: with me, you know what do you I don't even
Speaker 2: know that's do that's I don't even think about that,
Speaker 2: but uh, I promise I would definitely have it. That's
Speaker 2: that's at all. You know, everything came to a head.
Speaker 2: Stop out for one second, taking a lot, man, I
Speaker 2: promise you that I will not uh moving forwards. But yeah,
Speaker 2: if you I got to look into your your bit, dude,
Speaker 2: I'd like to know how your interactions with what you
Speaker 2: call Sasha. I'd like to know how those go. That
Speaker 2: might must be nice to have non violent interact. It
Speaker 2: is just one of these things, man, I would know.
Speaker 3: I wish they could all be that way. I really do.
Speaker 3: And just to make a reminder, like I said at
Speaker 3: the top of the show, Tuesday night, nine pm Eastern Time,
Speaker 3: Cody's going to be on updates about his most recent
Speaker 3: experiences with Sasha, So I hope you can make it
Speaker 3: and listen to him do that. The next question for
Speaker 3: you is from David Daniels, and Dave wants to know
Speaker 3: was he close enough to tell if his eyebrows are
Speaker 3: as expressive as dogs can be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, damn, Tony, there's there's near human intelligence
Speaker 2: with these. Like I've had dogs. I've had dogs that
Speaker 2: were crazy smart, Like they most of the time dogs
Speaker 2: understand the tone of your voice or a certain sound,
Speaker 2: or they associate a certain word with something that they like,
Speaker 2: like when you when you say to a dog, Hey, hey,
Speaker 2: what would you like to do to day? Dallas, would
Speaker 2: you be partial to maybe a cold cup of tea,
Speaker 2: or would you like a treat and here's treat and
Speaker 2: it's like, oh yeah, no, And you see that you
Speaker 2: get that reaction for him, whether it's he cocks his
Speaker 2: head or he barks or you know, he cuts his
Speaker 2: eyes at you with his with his eyebrows like that.
Speaker 2: But no, I mean there's it's deeper than that. It's
Speaker 2: absolutely deeper. I mean, dud luck to me with this
Speaker 2: hateful it's so much different than a hateful look from
Speaker 2: a person would give you because there's like, I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna say there's human h features. I mean obviously there
Speaker 2: are his hands, you know, but I wouldn't even compare
Speaker 2: it to it. I mean, it's it's like staring down
Speaker 2: a big nightmarish harry human that wants to do you
Speaker 2: in each year or whatever. I mean, it's I wouldn't
Speaker 2: compare that to it. That's that's something that's innocent and
Speaker 2: pure and kind of you know and illicit smiles from
Speaker 2: people when dogs cocked their head or give you that
Speaker 2: facial expression. I definitely wouldn't compare it to that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely apples and oranges. Bang Bang has the
Speaker 3: next one for you She wants to know, Kim did
Speaker 3: it smile?
Speaker 2: No? No, No, he didn't smile. Man, I feel like
Speaker 2: he was smarting at me that like the first time
Speaker 2: by while he was killing my dog. I feel like
Speaker 2: there was a smart like it was a you know,
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't know, not not this time. No,
Speaker 2: because it was I mean, it was anger and this
Speaker 2: animalistic determination that I'll get you. You know, I just can't.
Speaker 2: I cannot stress that enough. I'll get you those three words,
Speaker 2: I'll get you those three words come to your boy,
Speaker 2: you know, like I just yeah, I don't. Oh.
Speaker 3: I'm sure tons of thoughts were going through your head
Speaker 3: about what it was thinking at the time and saying
Speaker 3: to itself. So I'm sure there have been other thoughts
Speaker 3: besides that as well.
Speaker 2: I don't doubt it.
Speaker 3: David Seal wants to know how tall the tree was
Speaker 3: that you're in. When you have this experience, have.
Speaker 2: No idea it's a big I mean a big tree side.
Speaker 2: I mean they ain't you know, a big one hundred
Speaker 2: year old oak tree, big or anything like that. It
Speaker 2: was small enough to climber stand on comfortably where I had,
Speaker 2: you know, I felt like I wouldn't I didn't have
Speaker 2: my I probably had it on the I was like
Speaker 2: one one peg or so above the or one peg
Speaker 2: or so from having it like fully extended. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: couldn't tell you how tall the tree it was. Any tall,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I wouldn't a third of the way up
Speaker 2: the tree his eyes, I was probably one hundred feet tall.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe, well that's still pretty darn tall. David Daniels wants
Speaker 3: to know didn't have any patterning on its fur.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, he's dude. He's dark dark gun metal gray
Speaker 2: like like not not black, not black, but there's I
Speaker 2: mean he's probably dirty a little bit too, but no,
Speaker 2: he's dark gray man, just straight up as plain Jane
Speaker 2: as you can be, dark gray like. There's no I mean,
Speaker 2: I got a good look at him this time. There's
Speaker 2: no there's no mistaking, there's no that's not night time,
Speaker 2: this time broad daylight. The dude is exactly the way
Speaker 2: I remember him, just I say, playing there's no plane
Speaker 2: to its just the flat color.
Speaker 3: You got too good to a look. Baby girl wants
Speaker 3: to know. Was he very muscular?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's more like a lean muscle though, Like
Speaker 2: I said, I've heard a lot of people say, like, man,
Speaker 2: this thing looks like a body builder like I had.
Speaker 2: And you know, there I didn't seem abs. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm sure, yeah it was obviously has abdominal abdominal muscles,
Speaker 2: but you can't really there's no distinguished techtooral muscles or
Speaker 2: abdominal muscles. But it shoulders are big, like I said,
Speaker 2: I said Vica screenshot of I don't remember what it was.
Speaker 2: It was from it like the thumbnail from one of
Speaker 2: his episodes. I don't remember which one it was or
Speaker 2: what it said, but the picture in it is I
Speaker 2: mean that it's it's shoulders are slightly larger than what
Speaker 2: that picture was. And that's that's about it. I mean,
Speaker 2: it looks just like him, Like it's almost like somebody
Speaker 2: was there and took that picture. Sure you know, but
Speaker 2: uh yeah, it wasn't a I mean, he wasn't buff
Speaker 2: like so like I hear some accounts of these things
Speaker 2: being but I mean, yeah, he's wild animals, the musculars
Speaker 2: he needs to be.
Speaker 3: That picture. I'm looking for the episode number right now.
Speaker 2: I remember he said. The caption says when I talk
Speaker 2: about them, they come around.
Speaker 3: That's right, Yeah, episode five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's the one. I just I just saw
Speaker 2: the thumbnail and it was kind of like not deja vou.
Speaker 2: But you know that's I mean, that's it, Like that
Speaker 2: is that is all? But it I mean his ears
Speaker 2: aren't long and pointy. I mean, every everything pretty much
Speaker 2: from what I can tell in that because it's not
Speaker 2: like a full picture where it stands up and you know,
Speaker 2: you get a few like I got of this thing.
Speaker 2: But that's that's it. I mean, if I had to
Speaker 2: say that, this one is the closest I've ever seen
Speaker 2: that takes it.
Speaker 3: Got another question for you. I don't really know what
Speaker 3: her name is, it's symbols, but she wants to know
Speaker 3: why don't you call the Fish and Wildlife, who will,
Speaker 3: in turn tell you it's a bear, of course, but
Speaker 3: they will also call the federal who will I think
Speaker 3: she means federal authorities who will come eradicate it? Well,
Speaker 3: they might, and they might not. Odds are they won't
Speaker 3: eradicate it, and all he would be doing is bringing
Speaker 3: trouble down on himself. So definitely recommend against doing that,
Speaker 3: would not recommend that at all. This next one is
Speaker 3: from Liz M and she wants to know so this
Speaker 3: one looked like a hyena from the first encounter. Well,
Speaker 3: this was the dog man from the first encounter, so yes, definitely.
Speaker 3: The next one is from David Z three to four
Speaker 3: and Dave wants to know how much furd did it
Speaker 3: have on the show.
Speaker 2: Shoulder I shoulders to the covered fir. I mean, you
Speaker 2: can tell. The only reason I can tell his shoulders
Speaker 2: are bigger is because they kind of bulged out of it,
Speaker 2: not like huge, bulging handed ball shoulders. But I mean
Speaker 2: there's he's big, and he's I mean, he's I mean,
Speaker 2: I forget how big. The only gauge I really have
Speaker 2: of how you know, other than just seeing him and
Speaker 2: have an eyes on him, how big he is was
Speaker 2: the the tree that he walked out and walked out
Speaker 2: towards while me and Tyler, you know, the first time
Speaker 2: we ever saw him for some of e laid eyes
Speaker 2: on him. There's a bit old branch and I had
Speaker 2: a measurement on it. I forget how tall it was,
Speaker 2: but uh, I mean he was like I think I
Speaker 2: said that they want hunched over, but on two feet
Speaker 2: they're never just standing straight up with their backs straight
Speaker 2: with a good posture. But I mean for monster, and
Speaker 2: you know it's face. It says, what does it say?
Speaker 2: How much hair was on his face? I mean, all right,
Speaker 2: like a dog's face. It's not it's not like I said.
Speaker 2: It's not like in like I've heard some other people
Speaker 2: descript like some people's descript and say, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: you like there's there's almost no hair on their chest,
Speaker 2: or don't. That's not like he's he's hairy. He's like
Speaker 2: a dog pretty as well as I can describe it.
Speaker 2: I don't. It doesn't seem to be any lack of
Speaker 2: hair anywhere on him. There's a lack of the tail.
Speaker 2: Doesn't have a tail. I know that much. I was
Speaker 2: pretty sure that the first time he turned and ran
Speaker 2: and I saw his hind quarters, and I tell you
Speaker 2: there's no tail on him. I keep saying him. I
Speaker 2: don't see genitally either, but I you know, I get
Speaker 2: the sense that the thing is a male because there's
Speaker 2: this real sense of clash or whatever between us, which whatever, I.
Speaker 3: Think, you're right, Yeah, I beg of money. And this
Speaker 3: some meal from his actions and all his behavior. This
Speaker 3: next one is from Michigan mediater. He wants to know,
Speaker 3: have you your grandpa gotten anything like tril cam picks tracks,
Speaker 3: et cetera.
Speaker 2: Now a stingle one, not a stingle one. So the
Speaker 2: whole thing with uh And I'll be honest with you, man,
Speaker 2: if I did have him, I wouldn't show him anybody.
Speaker 2: It's you know, that's a I don't know. If Vic
Speaker 2: wanted a picture, I probably if I had one, i'd
Speaker 2: send it to him, I'd imagine. But uh no, So
Speaker 2: where he was hard day's pain us for somebody that
Speaker 2: hadn't seen his Probably so from the direction he was
Speaker 2: coming from, he was in the spot where if you
Speaker 2: heard the you know, the account of what happened the
Speaker 2: first time. When we first see him, we didn't realize
Speaker 2: we were seeing him, didn't realize what it was. We
Speaker 2: thought it was a big deer or two hogs standing
Speaker 2: next to each other or something, because he was down
Speaker 2: at the and there's no change in my mind about it.
Speaker 2: At first. Tyler looks down through his scope and he's like, man,
Speaker 2: there's there's something down there. I can't tell what it is,
Speaker 2: but it's big, you know. Anyway, it's him. That thing
Speaker 2: was probably fifteen feet out of view of the camera
Speaker 2: that was down there. Because there is a camera down.
Speaker 2: But and I could be wrong about this, but if
Speaker 2: he stalks that pine tree for us, right, which would
Speaker 2: kind of explain why he was there that night and
Speaker 2: why he was able to you know why, it's explain
Speaker 2: why he was there if he stalks that pine before,
Speaker 2: because there's a lot of big deer in there, which
Speaker 2: means a lot of big food sources. Makes sense. But
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I was reading this sad track. Somebody said,
Speaker 2: that's just like the one. I hope you haven't seen
Speaker 2: one at all, feel but uh, what was the question?
Speaker 2: I put it off my train of thought. Read back.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's all right, I lost my train of thought
Speaker 3: too when you mentioned Tiffany's comment. Tiffany is an eyewitness
Speaker 3: who's had multiple encounters. So yeah, I mean she's going
Speaker 3: to be on this upcoming Friday show where she's going
Speaker 3: to talk about some of the experiences that she's had.
Speaker 3: It's an update show. She's already been on the show.
Speaker 3: She's going to talk about and encounter she had where unfortunately,
Speaker 3: two dog men were fighting just feet away from her
Speaker 3: out in her woods. So yeah, she knows what you're
Speaker 3: going through with the unfortunate things you've experienced, not to
Speaker 3: interrupt you, I apologize. If you're not sure what the
Speaker 3: question was, then I can throw the next one at you.
Speaker 2: No, no, I don't. I don't know if I answered.
Speaker 2: I mean, if they have questions, I want to answer it.
Speaker 3: If I remember correctly, I think he did answer it.
Speaker 2: Okay, I think he did.
Speaker 3: The next one is from David Daniels. He wants to
Speaker 3: know or it's a comment. I can't imagine the anger
Speaker 3: you're feeling from losing the dogs. How do you control yourself?
Speaker 2: Uh? I mean, you know if you call me control
Speaker 2: of myself, you know what I'm what I'm I mean,
Speaker 2: I guess because I have bid man. You know, I
Speaker 2: can't just clock out, you know, I can't just I
Speaker 2: can't just go and and uh, you know, recklessly throw
Speaker 2: myself into mindless pursuit of this monster that killed my dog.
Speaker 2: Though I would love I man, I love him to
Speaker 2: be dead at my feet, you know. And I'm not
Speaker 2: an evil or malicious person, you know, I'm not. It's
Speaker 2: just he's taken so much from me and doesn't even
Speaker 2: know it. He isn't not even aware of it, like
Speaker 2: he's you know, tax free for him that he killed. Well,
Speaker 2: not really, because I guess it's good shot so time.
Speaker 2: But you know he didn't well on that. You know,
Speaker 2: that's not something that bothers him. It bothers me that
Speaker 2: my dog's gone. It bothers me that my kids can't
Speaker 2: go outside, that I can't allow them to go outside
Speaker 2: by themselves. And but that's you know, man, they're They're
Speaker 2: the only thing, man, the only thing that keeps me
Speaker 2: from I mean, I dude, i'ma be honest with me, man.
Speaker 6: If I didn't have kids, if I didn't have kids, Ida,
Speaker 6: at some point, i'd have gone looking for him to
Speaker 6: an extent far greater than I had.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I went after after good season was over,
Speaker 2: Hunt's period, deer Duck and all that was over last year,
Speaker 2: And uh, I went and sat in my stand by myself,
Speaker 2: by myself. I did not take Tyler. I didn't my grandpa.
Speaker 2: I was going nothing like I would pull my truck
Speaker 2: past the barn. So my grandpa wouldn't know that I
Speaker 2: was sitting out there, because I know he'd came out
Speaker 2: there with me. And that's you know, I cannot be
Speaker 2: responsible for him being in the line of fire if anything,
Speaker 2: which you know what happened. But Uh, oh, man, it's
Speaker 2: knowing that I'm I guess I'd call it the strain.
Speaker 2: You know, our kids to come home too, man, and this,
Speaker 2: you know, I just if I'm if I'm not here,
Speaker 2: who protects them from things like that? I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't have Dallas anymore. You don't have I don't have
Speaker 2: a I don't have dogs made of gold that I
Speaker 2: know would give his life to protect me or my
Speaker 2: kids anymore. It's just me. So's that's about it.
Speaker 3: Man, I'm so sorry it's that way. Also, I really
Speaker 3: am sham Borzi's next question. They want to know, Kim,
Speaker 3: if you tried to rebuke it in Jesus' name.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, listen, this is something I'd go too
Speaker 2: far into. But I'm a man. I'm not religious anyway,
Speaker 2: I haven't been in years. Uh tried to be. I
Speaker 2: grew up that way. You know. I lied to myself
Speaker 2: for several years, telling myself I still was and I
Speaker 2: was still with the lead, and I'm still this and
Speaker 2: I still that. And uh yeah, my my family kind
Speaker 2: of clutched their pearls at me when they, you know,
Speaker 2: realized that I couldn't make myself believe anymore. You know,
Speaker 2: like there's a choice I had and I didn't believe
Speaker 2: anymore I could make myself do this. No I haven't. Uh,
Speaker 2: I haven't done that. I have not h But you know,
Speaker 2: if if there's a guy and here were to show
Speaker 2: up and uh and where this one up for me, yeah,
Speaker 2: i'd uh, yeah, I'd rebuke anything in his name to
Speaker 2: be honest. But no, I have not.
Speaker 3: All Right, I've got the second, the last question for you.
Speaker 3: It's from Tiffany, and Tiffany wants to know. Have ever
Speaker 3: thought about going out on your property, your grandfather's and
Speaker 3: just talking out loud a truth just for you and
Speaker 3: your family's sake. It's worth a shot. I'm praying for
Speaker 3: you and your family. Kim. You know what, Tiffany, that's
Speaker 3: one of the frustrating things about this. That's one of
Speaker 3: the reasons why I was laying in bed the night
Speaker 3: that Kim and I had that conversation about what's been
Speaker 3: going on recently, about this recent encounter. Unfortunately, that wouldn't work.
Speaker 3: That's advice I gave you in your situation, but that
Speaker 3: wouldn't work in his situation. Because this is a dog
Speaker 3: man that's been shot twice in two different encounters, is
Speaker 3: what I'm getting at the first time around, Tyler shot
Speaker 3: the dog man, and well Kim did too, but that
Speaker 3: happened when the first encounter took place, another encounter happened
Speaker 3: and it was shot again. So yeah, there's no going back.
Speaker 3: There's no truce or anything like that with this thing.
Speaker 3: It's not gonna stand down for that reason because Cam
Speaker 3: goes out and asks for it too. It's going to
Speaker 3: stand down because it just decides to stand down if
Speaker 3: that's the case, if it actually does that. So yeah,
Speaker 3: that's one of the reasons why this is so frustrating
Speaker 3: for me. Is just a frustrating no win situation. At
Speaker 3: every turn I was thinking about options. Every option I
Speaker 3: could think up was just a no go. So that's
Speaker 3: why it's so difficult. The next question is the last
Speaker 3: one of the night. It's from Sham and Numinezer, and
Speaker 3: Shannon wants to know, are you still upset at your
Speaker 3: friend for taking the first shot?
Speaker 2: No? Well, well, man, that that was like a trivial
Speaker 2: thing at the point that would go and I'd say, well,
Speaker 2: it's tallahand done and we wouldn't be here this or that,
Speaker 2: But you know, think about it, just just think about it, right,
Speaker 2: I didn't. I didn't find VIC Channel until after all
Speaker 2: this had happened. I would I probably still wouldn't have
Speaker 2: told anybody this story if I hadn't found VIC Channel.
Speaker 2: But that being said, you know, we're here, we're talking
Speaker 2: about dog Man right now, right this this is the
Speaker 2: topic of conversation. So this is something that's on our minds.
Speaker 2: We're consciously aware of it, we're thinking of it. Just
Speaker 2: imagine you're not oblivious because like al I said, when
Speaker 2: when when the dude stood up, I know exactly what
Speaker 2: I was seeing, Like there was no it was it
Speaker 2: was still like, you know, like, oh my god. But
Speaker 2: there's no doubt I knew what I was looking at.
Speaker 2: But imagine being somebody who didn't think that, and you
Speaker 2: see this like Tyler, like Tyler Thomer didn't know what
Speaker 2: we were looking at, right like I you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: I guess he knew. But that's not something that you're
Speaker 2: prepared to see or have a run in with or
Speaker 2: you know, God for bt habit standing so close to
Speaker 2: you staring it. I mean, man, that thing looked like
Speaker 2: it like like we were pieces of meat. You know,
Speaker 2: there there's no there's no, there there's no there's no
Speaker 2: humanity in those eyes. There's there's no there's no. You
Speaker 2: don't look in there and and and see something that
Speaker 2: you could communicate with, you don't. And those those eyes
Speaker 2: are they're not black, they're they're this weirdly yellowish ambrish color.
Speaker 2: That's that's eerie as hell. And it grows on it
Speaker 2: that I mean, growth blows on its own. I mean
Speaker 2: it's it's got to be almost eight feet tall, between
Speaker 2: seven and eight feet tall, big long arms, with hands
Speaker 2: on the end of big claws, big teeth, dog like
Speaker 2: leg like his legs are cut. That's a that's you
Speaker 2: know in movies as a kid. That's what scared me them,
Speaker 2: not scared me, I mean it was the whole thing
Speaker 2: scared me. But those those feet, those those backwards, those
Speaker 2: haunches or whatever whatever you want to hawk, what do
Speaker 2: you wanna call them? That is really what what was that?
Speaker 2: What's what creeped me out. But imagine being a person
Speaker 2: who doesn't listen to dog Man Radio, who's just out
Speaker 2: hunting with your friend, and all of a sudden you
Speaker 2: were looking at a literal monster. What would you do?
Speaker 2: You know, you've got a gun, What would you do
Speaker 2: And you could say, oh, well, I wouldn't shoot because
Speaker 2: it wouldn't be harm unless, yeah, Howard doesn't watch a
Speaker 2: dog man encounters. Yet Howard did what he thought he
Speaker 2: needed to do to keep bus state. And you know,
Speaker 2: whether he was right or wrong, that's not that's not
Speaker 2: really a moral question. It's it's a it's a you'd
Speaker 2: have to ask somebody who knows about dog men to answer,
Speaker 2: to have somebody answer that question, like, you know, Tyler
Speaker 2: wasn't prepared for that. I wasn't prepared for that, and I,
Speaker 2: like I said, I mean, you know, it's just it's
Speaker 2: no I'm I'm I'm I'm definitely not mad at Tyler
Speaker 2: because even if that thing wouldn't have harmed us, even
Speaker 2: if it even if it played out to where, yeah,
Speaker 2: he could have not shot it and we could have
Speaker 2: walked out of there and I'd have still had my dog,
Speaker 2: and man, yeah, that'd be lovely, that would be lovely,
Speaker 2: but I would still be here in this same you know,
Speaker 2: frame of mind of I can never bring my kids
Speaker 2: out here again. This thing is there's a literal monster
Speaker 2: hanging around my grandparents' house, in this place where I've
Speaker 2: run barefoot as a child until I got old enough
Speaker 2: to have a dirt bike and a go cart. And
Speaker 2: you know, I mean me and my dogs were out here.
Speaker 2: I mean that thing had no place there, none like his.
Speaker 2: His presence was completely totally unwarranted, unwanted, and I mean
Speaker 2: just unwelcome, like he That thing is not he's he is.
Speaker 2: It may not seem like it. And I'm and I'm
Speaker 2: not bragging on myself, but he's just as unstafe around
Speaker 2: me as I am around there, and and and I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna blame Tyler for that. That's he reacted as
Speaker 2: a you know, I mean, Tyler's not the panicky type.
Speaker 2: He was afraid. Yeah, but I'm telling you, man, Tyler
Speaker 2: is one of those people when we're at work and
Speaker 2: something needs to get done fast and there's like a
Speaker 2: rush to do it, Tyler performs under pressure like That's
Speaker 2: that's why we're friends. We have that about each other,
Speaker 2: like you know. But no, no, no, I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: fault Tyler for doing I mean, if you see a
Speaker 2: monster and you have you feel like you have the
Speaker 2: ability to kill it, would you as a normal person,
Speaker 2: if you cut your experiences on dog man radio out
Speaker 2: and say you'd never heard of it before. If you
Speaker 2: were standing there in that field, in that pasture, in
Speaker 2: our position to what would you do? Yes, it's fine.
Speaker 2: Answer to the question is a question, Kim.
Speaker 3: It's like this. Do I wish Tyler never would have
Speaker 3: pulled the trigger on that dog man when you had
Speaker 3: that first encounter, Yes, definitely. Do I think that Dallas
Speaker 3: would still be here if Tyler wouldn't have shot that
Speaker 3: dog man when you had that first encounter, Yes, I
Speaker 3: do think Dallas would be here. I do totally understand
Speaker 3: why he shot the dog man. I wish you wouldn't
Speaker 3: have done it, but I understand it. It's all too
Speaker 3: easy to sit here and armchair quarterback this from the
Speaker 3: comfort of your own home and you're not out there.
Speaker 2: With the thing.
Speaker 3: Of course it was a distance from you too, but
Speaker 3: it's all too easy after the fact, armchair quarterback this.
Speaker 3: But what's done is done. That's water under the bridge.
Speaker 3: There's no going back and changing that. When you have
Speaker 3: the second encounter, you shot it. I don't blame you.
Speaker 3: I don't blame you for shooting a dog man, the
Speaker 3: dog man that had already been shot by both you
Speaker 3: and Tyler on the previous encounter, or in the previous encounter,
Speaker 3: I should say, you had already shot it. And with
Speaker 3: that in mind, you saw that dog man start walking
Speaker 3: towards you. Well, you had history with that thing, and
Speaker 3: a bad one too, so you had every reason to
Speaker 3: believe that it was coming for you to take your life,
Speaker 3: because at one time, at one point during that first encounter,
Speaker 3: it gave every indication it was about to take your
Speaker 3: life when it was standing above you, when you woke
Speaker 3: up and Dallas jumped in and saved you. So yeah,
Speaker 3: when you had that second encounter, I wish the situation
Speaker 3: would have been laid out so that you had to
Speaker 3: fire on it. But I mean you were in control
Speaker 3: of that it decided to approach you, to walk towards you,
Speaker 3: and when it did, I normally tell people only shoot
Speaker 3: a dog man if you're convinced you're gonna die anyway. Well,
Speaker 3: in your situation, I don't blame you at all for
Speaker 3: shooting it that time.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, when I'm so the you know,
Speaker 2: the first I guess I was, I guess what I
Speaker 2: was wrong, and I was gonna say, I'm gonna say, well,
Speaker 2: you know why why did it come for me? You know?
Speaker 2: When it when? It when it when he planked us,
Speaker 2: right when he when he had tackled us, or when
Speaker 2: he tackled me. I guess he can get all of us.
Speaker 2: I was just the impact block that actually took the force,
Speaker 2: you know. But he came after me, and I was
Speaker 2: gonna say, why would he do that? Twer shot it.
Speaker 2: I shot him too, But I guess, I guess I
Speaker 2: didn't make any sense. I was going to ask him question.
Speaker 2: I already got the answer to you. But yeah, man,
Speaker 2: you know, I absolutely you know, if I if I
Speaker 2: hadn't you know, this is come weeks ago. Man, if
Speaker 2: I hadn't shot him, I wouldn't be here telling y'all this.
Speaker 2: Y'all have never heard another thing from me ever. I'd
Speaker 2: have just been you know, cam from whatever episode I
Speaker 2: was on, and if any I don't even know if
Speaker 2: anybody else would ever thought about me again or wondered, hey,
Speaker 2: I wonder what happened to that guy, or you know whatever.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I definitely I definitely didn't have a choice
Speaker 2: the second time. I guess the first time we did
Speaker 2: and I was on the way, I did I did
Speaker 2: you know it was I swear on my light it
Speaker 2: was coming out of my mouth. No, don't and he
Speaker 2: let one rip. I mean I can't. I can't blame him.
Speaker 2: But no, yeah, and you're you are right. I want
Speaker 2: nothing more than to believe that you are right. That
Speaker 2: you know, maybe maybe I still have my dog, you know,
Speaker 2: or something that had happened. But the water under the bridge,
Speaker 2: as you said, and uh, you know, take it and
Speaker 2: try it as it comes from it.
Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, that is water under the bridge. There's
Speaker 3: no going back and changing that. All you can do
Speaker 3: is just focus on what's before you win. Just do
Speaker 3: the best you can with the life you have, and
Speaker 3: that's all there is to it. Well, Kim, like I
Speaker 3: told you before, I can't thank you enough for coming
Speaker 3: back on to update this. I hope that was the
Speaker 3: last experience you ever we have with one of these guys,
Speaker 3: most notably that one. But if anything ever does happened
Speaker 3: in the future, by all means, please let me know
Speaker 3: if I can help you somehow some way, I definitely will,
Speaker 3: so please keep that in mind.
Speaker 2: And you're the big first person to get the story itself,
Speaker 2: and I hope I never have one to gain. Would
Speaker 2: love a reason to talk to you again, because man,
Speaker 2: it's always pleasure. But I hope I don't again.
Speaker 3: Well that makes two of us. Yeah, I hope you
Speaker 3: never do also, And of course it's always great talking
Speaker 3: with you, but just not about things like this because
Speaker 3: no one should have to go through this. You really shouldn't.
Speaker 3: But having said that, thanks again so much for your
Speaker 3: time and I hope you have a great weekend.
Speaker 2: Also. Thanks appreciates time.
Speaker 3: You're welcome. We'll see you.
Speaker 2: Well. Everyone.
Speaker 3: Thanks again so much for tuning in and for supporting
Speaker 3: these eyewitnesses the way you do. Like I've said countless times,
Speaker 3: you'll never know how much of a difference it makes
Speaker 3: in their lives. It really does help tremendously and for
Speaker 3: that I can't thank you enough. Just one last reminder.
Speaker 3: On Tuesday night, if you didn't hear before, there's going
Speaker 3: to be a special bonus show where Code's going to
Speaker 3: come on and talk about his most recent experiences with Sasha,
Speaker 3: the female dog woman that has been paying him visits.
Speaker 3: It's a case of this dog woman lives around his
Speaker 3: property in almost on a nightly basis. If he doesn't
Speaker 3: see her, then she does things to let him know
Speaker 3: that she's around and after that next Friday, like I said,
Speaker 3: Tiffany's going to come back on and she's going to
Speaker 3: talk about her most recent experiences, and she's going to
Speaker 3: have her daughter, her ten year old daughter with her.
Speaker 3: Her daughter had a very unfortunate experience that involved their dog,
Speaker 3: them losing their dog in a very traumatic way, very
Speaker 3: unfortunate way. I don't know if you notice a pattern here, unfortunately,
Speaker 3: but they'll both be pre Friday night, like I said,
Speaker 3: to talk about that experience, and Tiffany is going to
Speaker 3: talk about that experience I mentioned earlier where those two
Speaker 3: dogmen were fighting just feet from her. So of course
Speaker 3: we hope you tune in for next Friday show as well.
Speaker 3: But before we get out, if you've had a dogman encounter,
Speaker 3: a dog me inciting, I should say that you'd like
Speaker 3: to speak with me about to get help with or
Speaker 3: if you'd like to come on the show and be
Speaker 3: a guest, please go to dogmanencounters dot com submit a report,
Speaker 3: and if you do that, I'll be more than happy
Speaker 3: to schedule a conversation with you so we can find
Speaker 3: out about your encounter and have a good talk about it.
Speaker 3: But having said that, thanks again so much for listening in.
Speaker 3: Have a great night.