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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward slash Podcast. Hey everyone, thanks again

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so much for joining us for this live stream episode

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of Dogman Encounters Radio. I really appreciate you listening. Before

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we bring on tonight's guest, I wanted to put something

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out there for you. Cody from episode five point thirty four,

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if you'll remember, he came on and talked about his

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experiences with a dog woman, a female dog man named Sasha. Well,

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not long ago, he contacted me to bring me up

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to speed to let me know that since we spoke

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last he had had several experiences with Sasha and she's

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still coming around. And last night we spoke for about

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two hours until the wee hours of the morning, and

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you won't believe what happened when he had this one

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particular encounter with her. I'm not going to get into

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any details about it, but I will let you know.

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The good news is Tuesday night, at nine pm Eastern time,

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we're going to air a special live stream where Cody's

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going to be backed updates you to let you know

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what's been going on, so we hope you're going to

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be able to make it again. That's Tuesday, Tuesday night

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at nine pm Eastern Time, all right. Having said all

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of that, tonight's guest was featured on episode five twenty eight,

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and on that episode, he talked about a bad dogman

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encounter he had one late evening where fortunately his dog, Dallas,

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a white American bulldog, gave his life, saving his from

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this dog man that was about to kill him. At

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least in my opinion, it sure sounded like that dog

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man was about to kill Cam if Dallas, his dog,

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wouldn't have rushed to his aid. Well, since we spoke last,

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Kim had another encounter with that same dog man, unfortunately,

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something I was hoping would never happen, but unfortunately it did.

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And when you listen to Cam share the details of

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this most recent experience, this most recent encounter, oh boy,

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unfortunately it went just about as bad as it could

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have gone. So without any further ado, let's bring Cam

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in here now. Kim, thanks so much for coming back.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Jampan man Man.

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Speaker 3: Oh you're welcome, but I just hate the fact that

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you're back here for the reason that you are. I mean,

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I was hoping you'd never have an other experience, but

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it just didn't shape out to be that way, did it.

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Speaker 2: No, my luck, it's always been that way. It can't

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go wrong. It will go wrong as it can go.

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But it's yeah, I'm sitting here, I'm so loud. Still

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got another shot one day, so.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's Murphy's law. Are you further away from your

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phone now, Caim than you were when we did the

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sound check? Because you don't sound as good as he

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did in the soundcheck.

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Speaker 2: No, no, I'm still here. Comeover. Is that any better?

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Speaker 3: That's a little bit better. I think we can work

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with that. Okay, Yeah, thanks for doing that. Whatever you did. Well.

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For anyone who missed that episode, Episode five, twenty eight, Cam,

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please tell them about yourself.

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Speaker 2: Man. My name is Cam. I'm thirty one years old,

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more Central, Mississippi. I've got three kids, married to my

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beautiful wife. Yes, like I said, Like I said, there's

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not too much about me that's out of the ordinary.

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You know, see, my friends, when I can work hard

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all the week long and come home and enjoy my family,

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slash hunt and fishing time on the weekends, you know,

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just another dude.

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Speaker 3: It really is a shame. You've carved out a good

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life for yourself. It's just so unfortunate that dog Man

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is hanging around. I really wish that wasn't the case. Well,

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let's dive right into it, Kim. I'm sure there are

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some people listening who didn't listen to episode five twenty eight,

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and with that in mind, for them to understand what's

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going on with this most recent experience, they need to

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know about your backstory. So can you give us, like

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a brief, a fairly brief explanation on what happened when

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you had that first encounter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I won't linger on it. It's you know, I

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don't want to hear it. Like they said, it's all

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in so five twenty eight, but in a nutshell, there's

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been some problems in my grandparents' farm. Me and my

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my friend Tyler went to uh then out in the coyotes,

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and we thought that was you know, I thought that

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would fix the problem. And during all this, you know,

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I have my dog with me. Uh we run into

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the dog Man runs into us. We were, you know,

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minding our business, and uh it kind of approaches us.

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and Tyler took a shot at him because he felt threatened,

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so I shot him. Uh, he runs from us. We

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thought he was gone. We both agreed that it was

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time to go. He flanked us. I guess he knew

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where my truck was or saw us come in, or

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maybe why in the process of running away he heard

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us coming back and he flanked us. He knocked me

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off the four wheeler, knocked me out, and Towers again,

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I was I was out for this part, but Towers

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says that he was on me and that was pretty

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much in his mind it. You know, I was fixing

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to die. And then here comes Dallas, is my dog.

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and by the time I'm coming around, coming to got

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my wits back about me, he was uh he was

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all but dead and uh kind of make mad dash

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for this thing and kills my dog, and uh, you know,

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I had I had luckily had somebody with me and

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uh Tower, they picked up my rifle off the ground

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at some point you know during all this, I guess,

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and uh emptied it on him and he almost shot me.

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He really did shot, but he saved my life and

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the thing ran away, and I mean we had to

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go and bury my dog that night. I had to

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tell my grandpa about this, and uh woke him up

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in the miss like one o'clock, one thirty in the morning,

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and uh, I mean it was just really it. I

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went out looking for him, you know, several times since

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things many took you know, he took my dog, who

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was like my you know, my best friend, and he

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took my peace of mind. He took my you know

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that I can't take my kids hunting out on this

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playub is where it was where I grew up, you know.

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And uh yeah, hey, they took a lot of things

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from me, man, But I'll get him back one day.

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You know. My mind's all but made up. Somehow, someways

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gonna happen. But here on Friday, the thirteenth of all days,

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was I talked to Vic. Yes it was last week,

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told him about all this, but uh oh, I'm sorry,

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ready for the me to talk about the next cart

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And I just kind of jumped into that Endine app.

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Speaker 3: No, you're fine. You're fine. By the way, Cam, are

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you using your earbuds now? Because in sound check. I

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didn't hear any chirping, but there's like a chirping artifact

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when you're talking.

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Speaker 2: Now. No, no, I think it's just my speakerphone.

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Speaker 3: It might be what the phone's laying on.

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Speaker 2: Possibly hold, I'm not sure what's going on now? Is

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that any better?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? That right there is?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, that is better.

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Speaker 3: Before we have you tell us about this most recent experience,

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I just wanted to make sure you understand when we

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had that conversation. Not too long after that, I made

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a post on my Facebook page. I just put it

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out there that I'd been putting a lot of thought

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into this most recent experience. It was really frustrating for

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me because I saw it as a checkmate type of

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a situation. There weren't any good options for dealing with it.

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There might have been some options, as some people thought

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were options, but they really weren't. I mean, sending people

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out there to try and hunt this dog man that's

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only going to aggravate it and just increase the possibility

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that it actually does harm someone their own, your grandfather's

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proper year, maybe even follows you to your own. So

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that's not an option. So I mean, it was just

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really frustrating because there were no good options to try

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and solve that situation that you're in. So I put

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a lot of thought into that. I normally don't spend

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too much time laying in bed thinking about dog me

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and encounters and everything, but yeah, that got some mileage

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on me. It definitely did. I just hate the fact

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you've got to deal with this. It's just so frustrating.

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It really is.

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Speaker 2: It is, you know, but you know frustrating, is it?

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Maybe that's the that's a problem that has literally stared

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me in my face twice now, and yeah, dealing with

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it's really the only option that I have however it

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comes about. But I appreciate all your help, you know,

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all the words and the you know, asking around and

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all that. And I'm not going to send a bunch

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of people out there, hire a team to come out

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and not play. I'm not gonna put anybody else's life

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in danger. Just to just clear there, that's not what

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I'm going to do. It's not my goal.

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Speaker 3: Good man. I'm glad you're not going to do that.

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We spoke before we came on the air, and I

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put Kim. I let Kim know that there is a

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gentleman named Beer Helper who's going to hopefully help him

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resolve this situation. He says he's had a lot of

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experience dealing with this kind of a situation before with

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other people, so hopefully that is going to work out.

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I really hope it will, but I guess time will

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tell on that. Well, Kim, with that, didn't you further Ado,

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whenever you're ready, please take your time and tell us

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about this most recent experience.

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Speaker 2: Sure, so, I'm not superstitious to the whole Friday at

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thirteen thinking that happened to follow on a Friday that

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it was thirteenth, we normally cut out from work. I

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worked with Tyler. Y'all listen. I y'all know who Tyler is.

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He's the reason I'm able to tell you all the story.

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But me and Tyler worked together all day every day.

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I'm not with the with the company I was looking for,

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so I get to see you and hang out with

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and argue with Tyler all day long. But we we

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got off work. I got off work. Tyler was supposed

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to go with me to my grandparents place. We were

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gonna spread corn, check cameras usual, and his dad called

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him and said Hey, I need you to go to

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this lady's house. There's something we have to do. And

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he felt bad. He's like, man, you gonna be Yeah,

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I'll be fine, don't worry about it. So I, Uh,

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my kids hadn't seen my grandparents in a while, so

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the ability to work home and uh, well, my girls

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were home, so I called her. I said, hey, you know,

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it's been a while since bro seen grandma and grandpa.

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If y'all would like to meet me out there, I'll

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meet you there. And yeah, she's kind of kind of

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hesitant to he's aware of things. But uh brought him

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out there and I stopped at on the rants. On

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the way, I got my corn ah meet them there,

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walked them into the house at the carport, and uh,

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excuse me, Grandpa said, you know, he said, hey, everybody,

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and he said, where are you going. I said, I'm

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fixing to go and reread all his corn do all this,

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and he was like, no, you ain't going back, so

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I'm going with you. I was like, no, no, you

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need to stay up here at the house with the girls.

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like for you to be here, you know. So I

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went and grabbed the foolilver and brought it back down,

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got the corner out of my truck, went spread, bag,

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checked my camera, saw some good deer, some kyodes and stuff. Ironically,

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went spread the next bag, check, next camera, and I

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saw this great, big bruiser buck that I've been hunting

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for like two years now, and I thought he was

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shot last year. So I got excited. All right, let me,

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let me hurry up and get this other corner. So

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I bet money he's over here in this bottom on

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this camera too well. And in the the first two cameras,

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in the first bit of corn, I spread that was

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in the exact same spot where man Tyler had that

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run in with this thing the first time. So I

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go and I get my h my last one hundred pounds,

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is normally where the big deer are anyway, and uh,

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I spread it, checked cameras, and sure enough he's there again.

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You know, I'm so excited. I mean, that's the only

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reason I mean out there now. And I started looking

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around and I was like man from where he's breaking

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through the trees. I need to move this. I've got

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a climber stand. From what climber stand is, it's a

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two piece deer stand that has teeth on the back

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of it that you dig into the tree and you

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essentially inch worm your way up a tree figure as

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high up as you want to go, or as you know,

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as as big as the accommodations for the tree stand

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will take for the tree. A man, I need to

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move that thing. So I got thinking, I got looking

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and being picky enthoosy like I am. Took me a

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few minutes and I figured out where I wanted. I

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put it on a tree. It's a bigger tree than

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it was onside the stead. It took me a second,

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and uh, I get this thing set up on the tree,

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and I was like, man, I haven't used it's meant

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sitting now since last year. I was, I need to

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climb up and make sure I'm not going to fall

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or have a break or something opening morning in my look.

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So I climb up to what I feel like twenty

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five feet, maybe above twenty feet. It's it's much harder

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for you know, even something with a nose like a

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white tailed there. It's it's extremely hard for them to

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wind you from that high up, you know, unless everything's

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just incredibly not in your favor and you're let you

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let your wife wash your hunting clothes the night before.

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But uh, I climb up. I feel like it was

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probably twenty five feet and uh man, it felt really

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good that day. The wind was blowing and you know,

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everything's still green. There's nothing dead out there right now,

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like all the green stole on the trees. But man,

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the breeze was kicking. Felt good. And you know, I'm chunky.

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I'm not in the shape that I used to be

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much heavier than I was, so I was out of

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breath by the time of making that or that that

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high and uh, I sit there for a minute and

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I'm you know everything, I'm just kind of taking it in. Man.

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It's it's beautiful. It feels great, nice change of pace

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from that hot, sticky Mississippi air we have. And uh

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see something out of my proof where I turned on

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a look and it's him. He's there. Just all of

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a sudden, I know where there is and uh, you know,

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the shock factor is like at eleven, you know, it's

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I had seen this thing, had hurt him, hide and

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no hair. Nowhere have I seen this thing. And like

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I said, I went out several times after you know,

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me and Tyler had this running with him, hoping I

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could see him and I could shoot him, I mean

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kill my dog, you know, and uh, but man, here

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he is. And it was all you know, broad daylight,

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broad daylight. Me and him. Man, we were god ten

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feet probably from each other that night. But by the

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time everything was said and done, when Tyler shot him,

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that dude he probably could have reached out if he

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wanted to, because his arms are wall unnaturally just weirdly

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weirdly long. And seeing him in broad daylight, it's like,

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I don't feel so stupid now for thinking that he

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looked like a hyena broad daylight. He is exactly the

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way I remember, look to be slightly smaller, like slim

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not smaller in stature, but slimmer for whatever reason. And

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it is I mean, I kind of resigned myself to, Okay,

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I'm never going to see him, and I'll never have

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a shot to get him. It'll never happen. He got

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my dog, He robbed me of the ability to bring

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my children out here, and then safely have them come

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and do something that I enjoy and I want them

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to enjoy, you know. I just had that felt like

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I was going to have to eat that, you know,

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find somewhere else to take my kids. But here he is, man,

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And I mean it was, you know, just wow, you know,

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the shot, the awe of the but regardless, man, I

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hadn't seen him. It had been a half second. I

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pulled my pistol out and he was probably don't know, man,

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he's probably seventy yards too far, and uh, I tell

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you he's He's very fortunate I didn't have my three zero.

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I shot him right in the head. He did not

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see me. That was That was like the first thing

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I noticed after Oh my god, there he is. That's

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him right there. He didn't see me, and the wind

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was at my face. So I was like, all right,

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he has not seen me. He's not smelled me. And

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you know, I was, I'm I wanted to pull my

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phone out and call my wife. I wanted to tell

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her like, hey, I love you. I don't know if

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I'll see you again, I don't you know, or call

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my grandpa and tell him, hey, you know, make sure

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the girls stay in the house. We need to call

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the game, you know, all he seems to go through

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your head and uh, oh man, it's just you know,

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it's there's there's a lot at one time. But regardless,

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I know he hasn't seen me. And it was weird

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because it's just strength. Man. The last time we saw

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each other, he came and found us. So it's just

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kind of weird to have him just absmindely walking, you know,

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kind of. I mean, if he if he'd have kept

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going and not got distracted, he would have seen me.

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I feel like at some point he definitely would have

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seen me. But uh, man, it's just there he is.

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I can't I can't get over the you know, it's

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it's hard to say. It's hard. There's there's not a

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lot of words for seeing that. At night, it seems

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like a nightmare. Everything's dark and shadowy and all this

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that I'm talking broad day. I mean, I might as

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well have been watching the neighbor's dog walk down this

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pine tree, this pine tree thicket. But uh, anyway, man,

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he's parallel in this thing, and he's in between what

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used to be a creek bed and this pine tree

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thicket and this pine tree thicket is where all these

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big deer come from. So it makes and you know

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what I'm gonna tell you, It all kind of makes sense.

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But uh, man, I turn to look and I see

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something else, And for for about a half second, I

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was like, oh my god, there's another one. Well it

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was and it was a dog. It's this dough walking

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down in this creek bed. And if the wind hadn't

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been in my face, he would have winded him and

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she would have never gotten close to him. But man,

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she comes up out of this creek bed and they're

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like fifteen to twenty feet maybe twenty five it's feet.

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He sees her, and man, he makes pass for full

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fledged lunges at her, and it was kind of awkward looking,

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like it was like he like his movement was awkward

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looking because dude, he was striding coming down there. You know,

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if I didn't have such hatred for this thing, it

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would almost be it's weird to even say this that

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it would almost be beautiful, you know, like like not

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I mean, obviously he's not beautiful, but this is I mean,

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he's mathve. Dude, he's like eight feet tall, between seven

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and eight feet tall. It's a monster, like a living, breathing,

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walking monster, and he makes the pass for this dough

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and she dipped on it. She pump faked him and

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was gone, and he did not chase her. Did not

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chase her, which was weird. But I realized that the

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whole time he had been walking down this that he'd

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been parallel in this this pre this ticket, he was limping.

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He has the limp to him And I told Vic this,

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but I'm and I'm I can't confirm this. I'm not

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sure this, but I feel like Tyler blasted him, maybe

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broke his arm or something when he when he took

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one of like, I mean, the dude, the dude up

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until this point he has eight rifle rounds at right,

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unless they all went through and came out the other side,

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that dude has like seven three h eight rounds. And

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when that round that Tyler hit him with out of

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his two forty three, I mean, he's got multiple high

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power rifle rounds in him. So it would make sense

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to me that that's where his limp came from, because

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I mean, you don't really see deer limping because they

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just hurt themselves walking around in the woods. I wouldn't

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think that this thing would be any different being an

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apex predator. But man, right about you know, second or

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two goes by and he's missed this steer, and man,

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he just kind of shook and looked frustrated, like like

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a dog. And I realize really really quick that the

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wind is at my back and he is almost dead

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in front of me. And as soon it must have

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been at my back for a minute before I actually

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realized it, because as soon as I realize, oh god,

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he looks up and he didn't look directly at me,

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but it didn't take him but a half second, and

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we are all over again, just like last December, staring

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each other in the face, and it's you know, you

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will never feel safe in that situation. I don't care

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if they had him at this zoo, I don't care

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staring at one you will not feel safe. Depending on

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who you are, you may or may not feel genuine fear,

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but safe is one thing you will never feel, dude.

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And you know, and but what I guess what I'm

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getting that is last time I saw this thing, it

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was me, my friend, a big dog, me and me

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and me and Tyler are both armed to the teeth really,

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and that's what got us out alive. But this time

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he sees me, I have a pistol, just me. There's nobody, nothing,

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that's it, And it's like a I mean I pretty much,

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you know, like like I had before that was eye

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myself to hey, I'm not going to see this thing

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and I'm not going to have a chance to get

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to get him back for taking my bubba from me.

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You know. Right then I had resigned myself to, well,

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this is I guess this is it. You know, he's

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gonna die. I'm gonna die. We're both gonna die. I mean,

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I don't you know, And uh man, A whole bunch

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of things go through your head. But that's that was

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a certain you know. I certainly thought it was a

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certainty that one or both of us was going to

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be dead before one of us left, if anybody left.

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But uh, I was I thought for a second. I

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was like, man, he's gonna have to he's gonna have

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to make it to the tree and he's gonna have

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to climb up from under me. And I, you know,

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I didn't have it. I wouldn't like I was messling

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with some big, long, crumbersome rife. I have my pistol.

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I was like, man, if he does that, I can

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shoot him right in the face. He's going to be

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right here, directly underneath me, and I can hit him

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head neck, chat, you know, whatever, anything I can to

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try to And you know, it's all these things, all

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these thoughts, all this. You know, it happened so quick,

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and you know, somehow you process it. I guess that's

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your crimeal response to an adrenaline rush. I don't know.

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But man, right there, out loud to myself, I was like, girls,

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I love y'all. I love y'all so much, and I

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just thought, I was like, man, I'm never going to

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see him again. I won't be able to say by nothing.

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And you know, I kind of got mad again, like

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I was, you know when when he had when he

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had taken my dog Man, and I screamed at it

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or bored at it whatever. You know, if somebody had

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been standing there looking at me, I'd probably look like

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a like an idiot, like Tarzan or something screaming from

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a tree. But you know, that's that's what came out.

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I didn't plan it, didn't think about it just kind

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of happened, and it got the message across to him

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that you know, I'm here, I'm not afraid of you,

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and if you want to kill me, you've got to brother,

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because I'm not going anywhere. And uh man, he looked

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at me and he showed me his teeth and he

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returned the favorite And when I tell you, it was

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the loudest thing I've ever heard in my life. I

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used to under the Pyramid when I was little. I

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don't know if you'll know where the Pyramid had methods

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as a massive bass pro shop now, but I used

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to go and watch monster trucks at the Pyramid, and

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I was like the loudest thing I've ever heard. It

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was unnecessarily loud to have those things inside, but at

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that point in my life, up until that point, that

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was probably the loudest thing I've ever heard. But man,

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you're talking about like like kirks ear drump so loud.

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Man's so close to me, and.

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Speaker 1: Uh man, you know, I just I don't I don't care.

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00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 2: I'm not afraid. I'm not gonna back down. And maybe

471
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,119
maybe he didn't get enough of a fear response for

472
00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:46,839
me or from me, and he was going to try

473
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,039
to elicit you know, some more fear for me or

474
00:26:49,039 --> 00:26:51,400
something that people people say these things can smell your

475
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,039
fear and they feed on your I don't know how

476
00:26:54,079 --> 00:26:58,480
true that is or isn't, but uh man, it just

477
00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:00,559
threw me for the I mean, just through me for

478
00:27:00,599 --> 00:27:04,960
a loop. He starts to walk towards me. He didn't

479
00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:08,240
charge me, he didn't rush me, he didn't act like

480
00:27:08,319 --> 00:27:11,599
he needed to hurry up and get to me. He

481
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,319
took steps, deliberate steps, like he was going to walk

482
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,480
to the tree where I was, and I was going

483
00:27:17,519 --> 00:27:20,160
to allow him to do so. Dude, I shot eight

484
00:27:20,279 --> 00:27:22,400
times and I don't think I hit him but twice,

485
00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:26,960
but it stopped him dead in his track. And I anyway,

486
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,359
I'll get to what I'm gonna say. So he stops,

487
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,200
reaches with his and I'm gonna stay it again. I'll

488
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,839
never get tired of saying it, because it's always going

489
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,279
to be some kind of weird to say it with

490
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:40,000
his hand not paul hand reaches over and grabs his

491
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,759
ribcage and kind of, you know, he winces. They touched

492
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,000
another spot with his other hand, but he had deliberately

493
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,920
reached all the way across his body and grabbed where

494
00:27:48,079 --> 00:27:51,880
I mean, I'm positive I hit him, and he looks

495
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:58,640
up at me, and it's hard to explain how it

496
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,079
how it works, because it's not. So he looks at me,

497
00:28:03,319 --> 00:28:05,680
right and and when I when I if anybody listened,

498
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,519
if anybody remembers when when that night when he was

499
00:28:09,559 --> 00:28:12,880
holding Dallas, after Dallas had got him, had got him

500
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,920
off of him, and he was holding Dallas in his hands,

501
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,400
you know, damn near dead. Sorry farm my language, but

502
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,400
he looks at me at that, you know, while we're

503
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,000
standing there. He looks at me and it was like

504
00:28:25,079 --> 00:28:27,359
he was saying. There were no words. I didn't hear

505
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:32,599
a voice in my head. It was like he projected

506
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,079
this challenge to me, come here boy, like calling me boy,

507
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,680
like you know, like like tiny human. Whatever it was,

508
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:46,559
however he meant it, but it was this I got.

509
00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:52,640
I got that message the same way this time, except

510
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,920
it was you know, I'll get you like next time,

511
00:28:56,559 --> 00:29:00,880
or you know what, however he meant it. But maybe

512
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,440
maybe that's what people mean when they say they communicate

513
00:29:03,519 --> 00:29:07,680
telepathical or they can whatever people say, because I got

514
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,039
that loud and clear, and there were obviously no words.

515
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:11,920
And like I said, I didn't hear a voice in

516
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,799
my head. But he did his best to let me know,

517
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,799
to portray to me right there that I'll get you.

518
00:29:17,799 --> 00:29:19,839
You know, at some point it's going down. However, he's

519
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:24,359
gonna phrase it. And he turns and he runs again,

520
00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:27,480
and for the second time, I'm watching this thing that

521
00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:32,880
killed my dog turn and run and get away. Scott. Yeah,

522
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,400
he caught. He caught a bullet or two, but he's obviously,

523
00:29:35,599 --> 00:29:39,720
you know fine. But he dropped down, backed off Ford

524
00:29:39,759 --> 00:29:42,480
because when he saw me, he stood up. Sorry, didn't

525
00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:44,279
mean to leave that out was figure. It was kind

526
00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:47,480
of unspoken, but he saw me, he stood up, take steps,

527
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,839
I shoot, Everything goes by, and he turns around and

528
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:55,000
drops down and runs. Well, I've been here before, been there,

529
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,279
done that, got the postcard, all that. I've seen him

530
00:29:58,319 --> 00:30:01,759
run away and faint and escape before, so I don't move.

531
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,480
I didn't get down or anything. I screamed for him

532
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,119
for a second and he didn't come back. So eventually

533
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:08,880
I pulled my I called my grandpa and I tell him,

534
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,079
I said, hey, look, I just ran it. Because he

535
00:30:10,119 --> 00:30:12,759
calls him the wolf said hey, I just ran into

536
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:17,680
the wolf. You know, I'm okay. I shot him. He's

537
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,480
gone out of side. I can't see him, I can't

538
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,079
hear him, but I know that this is what happened

539
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,839
last anyway, told Grandpa Sa to get the girls. Put him.

540
00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:25,400
He's got a stormproof room in his house. To get

541
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,960
the girls. Get everybody in the tornado room right now.

542
00:30:28,359 --> 00:30:30,759
And honestly, now, I didn't have any real reason to

543
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:33,599
do that. It was just, you know, I'm sorry. The

544
00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:35,319
helicopter dad and me, one of my girls in a

545
00:30:35,359 --> 00:30:38,640
steel room made me feel a lot better. And Grandpa's like, well,

546
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,799
I'm getting the truck. I'm coming to you. I was like, no, no, no, no, no,

547
00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:43,200
You're the only thing up there between them and this

548
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,119
thing right now. And he never probably had any aim

549
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,759
of going up there to the how he may not

550
00:30:47,799 --> 00:30:50,200
even know that house is there, I don't know. But

551
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,799
I told girl. I was like, no, don't don't do

552
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:58,839
this anyway. I h man. I start to, you know,

553
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:00,680
after a couple minutes, to make my way down, and

554
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:02,240
Grandpa calls me and he tells me, he said, hey,

555
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:03,359
they're up. What do you want me to do if

556
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,839
I'm coming to stay there? And man, I make it

557
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,319
to probably ten feet I stopped. I look, and I

558
00:31:11,319 --> 00:31:13,440
hollered again, and I can't say what I said, but

559
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,519
I said, you so and so I'm still here. Come here,

560
00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:17,880
come back, come here, And he wouldn't come here, so

561
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,240
I I guess he's gone. I jumped from probably five

562
00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:23,720
or six feet. I didn't even go to the last

563
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,000
few feet to the ground. I jumped and h man,

564
00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:30,440
I run to the four wheeler and I'm gone, I'm

565
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,440
out of there. But like I said, I know, I

566
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,559
know for a fact that he will absolutely he did before,

567
00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:39,440
like I said, been there and done that. He may

568
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,279
have been waiting to flank me, or may have run

569
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:44,039
somewhere out of sight to where he doesn't get an

570
00:31:44,039 --> 00:31:45,640
angle on me and go somewhere else. I mean, I

571
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:47,680
don't know what he was going to do. So I

572
00:31:47,759 --> 00:31:50,359
struck out over the hill, back down into the pasture

573
00:31:50,359 --> 00:31:52,319
where Tyler and I originally had to run in with him.

574
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,359
And I'm screaming for him the whole time, like here

575
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,039
I am, come get me, you know, all this stuff,

576
00:31:56,079 --> 00:31:59,079
And never saw him again, didn't see him, didn't hear him.

577
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,519
I don't know. Maybe maybe five minutes goes by, maybe,

578
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,160
you know, from the time I hit the ground out

579
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,759
of the stand till I was on the four wheeler moving,

580
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,000
and I was like, all right, I gotta go, I

581
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,079
gotta go. He's gone, So man, I book it back

582
00:32:14,079 --> 00:32:19,119
to the house and man, I get there and my

583
00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:24,880
wife is hysterical. And when I say hysterical, I mean

584
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:29,960
you should never let your kids know that something is wrong,

585
00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:33,200
right as if there's any parents listening right now, you

586
00:32:33,319 --> 00:32:36,240
got to keep it chilled for your kids. They never

587
00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:39,960
need to know anything is wrong. Man, my kids are

588
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:47,559
scared to death right. Well, my kids are twelve, four

589
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,960
and almost two. My twelve year old is a gangster

590
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:55,559
among gangsters. I'm so proud of that kid. I can't

591
00:32:55,559 --> 00:32:58,519
even tell you. I walked in. My grandmama has her

592
00:32:59,119 --> 00:33:02,000
break barrel single shot four ten looking out in the windows.

593
00:33:02,279 --> 00:33:06,799
My grandpa has a big, big desert eagle pistol that

594
00:33:06,839 --> 00:33:10,359
he is walking around brandishing. And you know, of course

595
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,519
my kids don't know what's wrong, but something's wrong. I mean,

596
00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:17,839
you know, the kids, they're not stupid, they're just young. Obviously,

597
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,079
something wrong. Mommy screaming and crying for reason. So I

598
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,799
take her and I say, hey, go in that room.

599
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,880
I'm gonna come talk. Well, I tell my oldest. I

600
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,440
tell Kay, I said, babe, watch your sister. Mama's okay.

601
00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:31,920
He was just scared. Daddy got hurt. I'm fine, Everything's okay.

602
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:33,839
And she looked at me and she said I got this.

603
00:33:34,119 --> 00:33:38,240
I was like, oh damn, right you dou who didn't? Right?

604
00:33:38,319 --> 00:33:42,039
You do? But uh, I get Kadie calm down, and

605
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:56,759
uh man, it was a anyway we decide say wait,

606
00:33:56,839 --> 00:33:59,960
see sides right. Then we're leaving. We're going. We're not

607
00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:03,839
where this, that and the other. I look, I just

608
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:05,799
needs you just sitting here with Grandmama for a minute.

609
00:34:06,039 --> 00:34:12,679
And uh, you know, I gotta I gotta talk to Grandpa.

610
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:19,480
So I told him, man, I you know, I love you.

611
00:34:19,559 --> 00:34:21,519
I can't stand the thought of something happened to you.

612
00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:23,880
Y'all gonna have to find somewhere to go. You know,

613
00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:28,519
you can't stay here. That's not the same. And boy,

614
00:34:28,559 --> 00:34:30,599
when I tell you, that conversation went just about how

615
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:35,119
I should have known it was gonna go. Uh my

616
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:38,400
grandpa looks like John Wayne. He acts like John Wayne

617
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:44,039
as well, and it's kinda he wasn't happy with what

618
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:46,920
I said, and he, you know response, he was like,

619
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,719
I can't say everything instead, But he said, you know,

620
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:53,519
he said, I mean, he said, what, well, hell, so

621
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:56,159
where do you want me to go? What what I

622
00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:59,320
look like? Abandoned in this place that I've worked my

623
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,639
my butt off all these years to pay for and

624
00:35:01,679 --> 00:35:03,239
to own so that one day it can be in

625
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,119
your family and I can give it to you. He's

626
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:07,920
gonna ask you something. Are you gonna everything? He said,

627
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,519
Are you gonna let that thing keep you from coming

628
00:35:09,559 --> 00:35:12,360
out here and doing what you love to do? And

629
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,599
I was like, well known? And he was like, okay, well,

630
00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:16,320
how can I think you can just by asking me

631
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:21,320
if anyway left that alone? And uh, you know, he's

632
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,559
the wrong man, and he ain't scared nothing. Man, he

633
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,920
ain't gonna be made to leave. He's not gonna you know,

634
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,480
he'll stay there and fight that thing if he has to. Honestly,

635
00:35:30,519 --> 00:35:32,719
he ain't even seen him. He hadn't seen him that

636
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,400
running with't had done anything. But that's how that went.

637
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:42,199
And uh yeah, so it's I mean, it wasn't you know,

638
00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:48,000
I you know, I say it ended it, It didn't

639
00:35:48,159 --> 00:35:51,840
end you know, didn't end it all. I guess it

640
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:57,079
was over for the time being. But that's that's essentially

641
00:35:57,119 --> 00:36:00,400
what happened with it this time a stint of it.

642
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:05,320
Nobody was hurt as except except him, And uh, I'm

643
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,440
so alive. Obviously I'm here and I will tell you

644
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:12,920
guys about it. But uh, I've done a lot of uh,

645
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:20,559
just a lot of thinking, a lot of planning, scheming,

646
00:36:21,079 --> 00:36:23,880
whatever you want to call it, about what I'm going

647
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,519
to do to handle this situation. And I've got a

648
00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:33,559
couple of bilops. But that's what I'm dealing with here.

649
00:36:33,599 --> 00:36:37,400
And now h Fix lent me his listening and listening

650
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,000
here and his his advice best advice he can offer,

651
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,360
you know, and once again gave me a platform to

652
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,280
come and talk to some people who believe me and

653
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,679
wouldn't make fun of me. You know, is that.

654
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,199
Speaker 3: Well, as you know, I'm all too glad to do that.

655
00:36:55,679 --> 00:36:58,920
And like I told you, I don't have nightmares about

656
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,159
dog men. I normally will help eyewitnesses. Some days it

657
00:37:03,199 --> 00:37:07,679
gets just absolutely ridiculous how many eyewitnesses need help. But

658
00:37:08,159 --> 00:37:10,400
at the end of the day, it's like a switch.

659
00:37:10,679 --> 00:37:13,079
When I'm done helping them, then I just move on.

660
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:16,000
I do whatever to try and unwind. If there's time

661
00:37:16,039 --> 00:37:18,039
to maybe hit the woods and go for a nice walk,

662
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:21,000
then I will, but I don't carry that with me.

663
00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:25,119
But man, after hearing about this most recent experience, I did.

664
00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:27,239
I did carry that with me quite a bit for

665
00:37:27,639 --> 00:37:31,920
some time. And like I said, it was just so frustrating.

666
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,360
It seemed like a no win situation that there weren't

667
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,880
any good options for And that was me. This didn't

668
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,239
happen to me. I can only imagine on your end

669
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,920
how difficult this has been. Those are your kids, that's

670
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,960
your wife, that's your grandfather. I can just I can

671
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:54,159
only imagine how this has hitching, how difficult this has been.

672
00:37:57,199 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 2: I've imagine, Man, it's a it's uh that's frustrating, you know,

673
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:14,559
the uncertainty and uh yeah, just I guess the helplessness,

674
00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:16,480
because I mean, I I myself. I'm not. I'm not

675
00:38:17,199 --> 00:38:24,039
I'm not I'm not helpless, but I am in certain ways,

676
00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:26,880
Like my Grandpa's not gonna leave. There's no you know

677
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:32,639
what I mean, there's absolutely no yeah, there's no convincing him,

678
00:38:32,639 --> 00:38:37,400
there's no change in his mind, there's no yeah. And

679
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,719
so also I guess that's not it. So as of

680
00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:47,440
speaking of my grandfather, as of today Friday, as of Wednesday, morning,

681
00:38:48,119 --> 00:38:52,599
his dogs are both dead. Both of them are dead

682
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:57,079
in his yard. Buddy, Bloody is all get out when

683
00:38:57,119 --> 00:38:59,920
you go past his house and he you know those

684
00:39:00,079 --> 00:39:02,320
I mean, those are only two dogs he got. He

685
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,000
got sorry, he got three dogs. One of the old

686
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:06,159
she don't even go outside, you know, she's not long

687
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:10,400
for the world. She's on the way out. But Dack

688
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:12,920
and Ruby have been running that property, you know, since

689
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,719
they got there because or five years old or so,

690
00:39:16,679 --> 00:39:20,239
and uh, Jack and Ruby turned up dead Wednesday morning.

691
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,920
You go past their house, their driveway runs all the

692
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,320
way to the back of the property, past their house,

693
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,400
and at their at the house, it stops, it goes

694
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,880
into their crup work, but it turns into their yard

695
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,519
and there's like a trail that it would have been

696
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,039
the driveway it was way back, you know when we

697
00:39:36,599 --> 00:39:39,719
own the property, I guess. But right there at the

698
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:42,760
trailhead where it goes from yard to narrowing down to

699
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,320
just a trail that goes back to where Dallas and

700
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,920
my other dog are buried. They were both laid out

701
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:54,599
right there, just sewed all the pieces. Man. So now

702
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,000
not only is it not only is it going to

703
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:00,800
be impossible for me to change. My Grandpa's he's going

704
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,800
to be on the war path. He's he's going to

705
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,920
go out of his and it's that that's the helplessness

706
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,960
going to talk about. He's going to go out of

707
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,679
his way to do everything that he can to kill

708
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:19,000
her name, you know, whatever he can, this thing, this monster,

709
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:22,639
this dog. Man. I mean, it's you know, there's no

710
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,280
there's nothing that I can do for as far as

711
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,440
telling him, like Grandpa, just leave it alone, because I mean,

712
00:40:29,679 --> 00:40:31,679
and what what kind of hypocrite would I be? I'm

713
00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:33,679
gone looking at it. I'm gone looking for him since

714
00:40:33,679 --> 00:40:36,119
he took my dog to me. And you know, my

715
00:40:36,119 --> 00:40:40,119
my grandpa is a hard, hard, hardhearted man. But dude,

716
00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:44,440
his dogs and his grandchildren and you know, now his

717
00:40:44,639 --> 00:40:47,920
great grandchildren are the only things he's ever been sold

718
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,920
for in his life. And man, those were house dogs.

719
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,280
They get wet out during the day to run some

720
00:40:54,519 --> 00:40:57,760
but man, those are there, those are lap dogs. You

721
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:02,000
know that was there was a Jack was a or

722
00:41:02,079 --> 00:41:06,199
it's year old blue healer and uh and Ruby, I

723
00:41:06,199 --> 00:41:08,320
don't even know what God know she was, but she was,

724
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:10,880
I mean, she was the light of their lives. They

725
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,199
love those dogs. And now you know they're gone, and

726
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:20,000
I don't know, if you know, I I don't know, man,

727
00:41:20,199 --> 00:41:21,840
that it makes sense to me that he would have

728
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,719
done it. But there's a lot of coyotes too. I mean,

729
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,199
I just they've been running around in the woods with

730
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,400
coyotes for years now and nothing's happened to him, and

731
00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:33,000
you know, it just kind of I don't know, but

732
00:41:33,079 --> 00:41:35,079
he seems to think that it was it was the

733
00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:39,159
wolf man. I don't I don't. Oh, I don't know

734
00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:42,280
what to tell him. I don't know. I just I

735
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,199
told him, like, let me just just hang back and

736
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,199
let me handle. I'm gonna figure out a way to Hannibal.

737
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,960
You know, I'm gonna devise a way to get him.

738
00:41:49,079 --> 00:41:51,320
He's not gonna get away with everything that he's done.

739
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,679
You know, it's you know, there's there's gonna be some

740
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:59,840
kind of some kind of consequences for him, and he's

741
00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:05,840
he's not happening. No, that's not enough for him. He

742
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:07,840
says about like I was when it when it killed

743
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:13,239
my dog. You know, he's a he's a he's a salty,

744
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:14,280
gritty old man.

745
00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:21,679
Speaker 3: You know, I don't, Wow, I'm so sorry to hear

746
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,440
that happened that's horrible. I hope he doesn't wind up

747
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,360
getting himself killed now he's so upset about that dog

748
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,000
me and killing his dogs. And I bet good money

749
00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:33,599
it was that Dogmian that did that. I wouldn't be

750
00:42:33,639 --> 00:42:37,360
surprised in the least if it was that dogman in fact, you,

751
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:41,320
like I said, I bet good money on it. Before

752
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,159
we move on, I want to put this out there.

753
00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:47,320
Both David Daniels and Bang Bang, thank you so much

754
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:52,480
for your donations. I really appreciate it. I do. Before

755
00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:55,440
I started doing some questions, some other questions at Sha

756
00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:59,559
Kim in our most recent conversation, you told me, and

757
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:01,880
I didn't until then. You told me that you live

758
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,960
pretty close to an area that it's very well known

759
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,760
for dog mean activity. Please talk us through that.

760
00:43:08,159 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 2: I do so. I'm not I'm not sure of the

761
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:21,400
like the origin of the story or whatever. But if

762
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,320
you've ever heard of this, the dog man stage of

763
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,440
locket rants, those are real people. You can look them up.

764
00:43:28,679 --> 00:43:32,440
Don't know about the story, it's not. I just don't know.

765
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:33,599
Speaker 3: It didn't happen.

766
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:39,559
Speaker 2: It didn't no story.

767
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:42,039
Speaker 3: That's all it is is a story. Not to interrupt you,

768
00:43:42,159 --> 00:43:46,679
but when you talk with people with eyewitnesses Bonifie Dogman,

769
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:51,320
eyewitnesses from that area of Taylor, Mississippi. And they never

770
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,239
heard about that happening. They're family members, never heard a

771
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,079
whisper about that ever happening. They're friends who like them,

772
00:43:59,079 --> 00:44:01,639
and their family grew up in that area, and their

773
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,639
uncles and grandfather and in great grandfather, everyone grew up

774
00:44:05,679 --> 00:44:08,360
in that area. No one ever said a word about

775
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:12,320
that supposed siege ever happening. That's all it is. It's

776
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,719
just a story. But anyway, not to interrupt, I'm sorry,

777
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,599
I apologize, Please continue.

778
00:44:18,199 --> 00:44:20,639
Speaker 2: No, you're good. I just I legitimately didn't know the

779
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,599
legitimacy of that. But it's it's supposedly you know, it's

780
00:44:24,639 --> 00:44:27,519
it's Taylor, Taylor, Mississippi. I don't live far from it

781
00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:31,719
at all. And me and Tyler just built a house there,

782
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,559
me and him and his dad and no dude or

783
00:44:34,559 --> 00:44:39,280
two and uh this I don't know if this was

784
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:40,679
something I told you the other day or not. But

785
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,679
there's a there's a I can't remember her name, but

786
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,960
me and my wife went out not long ago with

787
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:47,599
a couple of her friends who she hadn't seen in

788
00:44:47,639 --> 00:44:50,760
a while. There was a woman there at the far

789
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,920
we were at and I ended up having a conversation

790
00:44:53,039 --> 00:44:56,559
with and she is from Taylor, and she told me

791
00:44:56,679 --> 00:44:58,880
she didn't know what it was, but VIC, I guarantee

792
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,719
you'll know what it was when I start talking about it.

793
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:05,840
This woman said that she was outside on her back

794
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:11,960
porch smoking a cigarette or doing something and big, big,

795
00:45:12,119 --> 00:45:16,719
huge tree starts like shaking, shaking right out behind her house,

796
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:20,199
like scared her to death, she said. She said, I

797
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,920
went inside because I thought I heard like a month

798
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,239
from or something. And she looked at me like like, please,

799
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,760
don't think I'm crazy, And I'm like, I promise I'm

800
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,960
not gonna call you crazy. If I were to tell

801
00:45:32,039 --> 00:45:34,920
you my accounts of what I've seen or been through

802
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:39,440
or whatever, you probably called me crazy. But she continues

803
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,000
on and tells me this, yeah, this went on forever,

804
00:45:42,079 --> 00:45:44,519
Like I went inside and drank coffee and myself away

805
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,519
and all this that and the other. But again, this

806
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:51,679
is in Taylor's in Taylor. Well, there was some some

807
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,800
other radio show I listened to where this guy claims

808
00:45:55,840 --> 00:46:01,280
to have been working at a like a ower substation

809
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:05,679
off of Old Taylor Road at sundown and seeing like

810
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,280
a pack of these things or so again, I don't know.

811
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,400
I don't know that real name. I don't know if

812
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,320
this really happened. I don't know. But Taylor is, always

813
00:46:13,519 --> 00:46:17,800
has been, and probably always will be a spot where

814
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,480
I mean just countless you know, accounts and sightings and

815
00:46:21,519 --> 00:46:23,679
all this stuff has happened. But no, I don't. I

816
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,599
don't live very far from it. All. I've got my

817
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,079
good buddy Allen lives like five minutes from there, you know,

818
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,079
he's a don't and he had a big foot encounter

819
00:46:34,119 --> 00:46:36,719
in Abbeyville. Him and him and another dude that I

820
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,519
went to school with. They've they've told me, you know,

821
00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:42,920
they told me about this. I mean, it's weird things everywhere, man,

822
00:46:43,199 --> 00:46:45,880
and it just why did it have to be on

823
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,679
my place? You know? Why do I have to be?

824
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:49,880
I mean, I don't mean to sound like why I

825
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,679
meet people, because I'm gonna find a way to deal

826
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:56,679
with it, don't worry. But it's just, yeah, Taylor's real close,

827
00:46:57,079 --> 00:47:00,320
and apparently they're they're way far out from Taylor too,

828
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,960
because I'm in fifteen minutes from it. Probably we did,

829
00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:07,119
we just built the house there for these these pretty

830
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:11,960
wealthy people and uh took everything in me to ask them, Like, man,

831
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,039
I ain't say anything weird out behind your house or anything,

832
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:20,800
have you? Yeah, yeah, no, Yeah, it's Taylor's hots always

833
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:25,119
has been, probably always will be. But uh that and

834
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,199
it always brings national forest too. See.

835
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:36,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're surrounded by hotspots. Unfortunately, says sheman has to

836
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:40,039
be that way, but yeah, that's how it is. Let's

837
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:43,320
get to some questions now from the listeners in the chat.

838
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,119
The first one up is from Peppercat, and she wants

839
00:47:47,159 --> 00:47:50,320
to know, Hi, Vic and Kim, can you share details

840
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,960
about how the teeth it showed you look like? Sorry

841
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,840
about your experiences with dog men?

842
00:47:56,239 --> 00:48:01,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you appreciate it. No, they're they're big, They're

843
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,800
not some people. And again I'm not speaking for anybody

844
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,599
else because I can only speak for myself my first

845
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:13,519
hand experience. But man, if you took let me use

846
00:48:13,559 --> 00:48:18,039
my dog. For example, Dallas was they big, big dog

847
00:48:18,159 --> 00:48:22,440
man and his teeth were hard to say, an inch measurements.

848
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,199
I never once measured him, but they were big enough.

849
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,199
He'd a bitch your hand, he'd have shattered your hand. Dude,

850
00:48:27,199 --> 00:48:30,400
These dogs, I mean, these dogs, this dude's teeth are

851
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,800
like two and a half, possibly three times the size

852
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,639
of I mean, head's big. It's not like cartoonishly big

853
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,400
like people make it out to be like some people

854
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,119
that again, maybe somebody has seen one that looks like that.

855
00:48:42,119 --> 00:48:45,800
I don't know, but he's pretty proportionate. And his teeth

856
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,079
follows suit. I mean they were and they weren't nasty,

857
00:48:49,159 --> 00:48:51,199
dingy yellow teeth. I mean, he's got a pile full

858
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:58,000
of pearly whites. It's so Imagine his breath that's not

859
00:48:58,079 --> 00:49:00,519
too good. His teeth don't look like years ago through

860
00:49:00,519 --> 00:49:02,519
the dentist. Imagine can get dubbed on with him? They

861
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:03,280
ever felt like it?

862
00:49:04,679 --> 00:49:08,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, they normally do get the job done with them. Unfortunately.

863
00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:12,000
The next one is from Tim Webb, and Tim wants

864
00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:15,159
to know, what was the first feature you noticed on

865
00:49:15,199 --> 00:49:16,000
the dog men.

866
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 2: Kim as posture? Posture? Man like that? You know, I don't.

867
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,400
I don't know if you heard the you know, the

868
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:29,159
ordeal that went down this last December that gave me

869
00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:31,639
the platform to do a bit with But man, it

870
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:35,920
was I swear to you swear, and when I and

871
00:49:36,039 --> 00:49:39,639
this this this past couple weeks ago, Man, it was

872
00:49:39,679 --> 00:49:46,079
the same, like I really I felt like, like, I know,

873
00:49:46,199 --> 00:49:48,880
I know, I don't sound so stupid even to myself

874
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,760
for thinking he looked like a hyena, like on all

875
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:56,559
fours anyway, he looks like a hyaena. Is this posture

876
00:49:56,599 --> 00:49:59,199
resembles a hyaena? His back legs are way more tucked

877
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,559
up under him in his front. I got to get

878
00:50:01,559 --> 00:50:03,119
out of the habit of trying to say front legs.

879
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:06,960
He has arms, does not have front legs, but they're

880
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:11,360
they're long. They're really really long. I mean, like like

881
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:14,480
in comparison, his front legs are like you're seeing somebody

882
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,039
with one of those really ugly squatted trucks where the

883
00:50:17,079 --> 00:50:19,119
back end the bumpers almost dragging the ground. In the

884
00:50:19,119 --> 00:50:21,679
front end you can't see over the hood his front arms,

885
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,280
I mean, his front his arms are that much longer

886
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:27,519
than his legs are in the rear, you know, at

887
00:50:27,639 --> 00:50:30,519
least from that posture. It's it's really weird looking, man,

888
00:50:31,159 --> 00:50:35,880
it's strained. But you know, but in broad daylight, man,

889
00:50:36,039 --> 00:50:38,119
I don't think there was really anything about him that

890
00:50:38,159 --> 00:50:43,239
I didn't get just crazy good looking. I mean it was, man,

891
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,440
it was dark the first time, and what really stuck

892
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,079
out to me the first time where his ears they

893
00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:51,519
were really forward facing. They don't have these these tuffs

894
00:50:51,519 --> 00:50:53,760
of hair on the end like lots of people say.

895
00:50:54,440 --> 00:51:03,159
But his eyes, man, they have their own like not bioluminescs.

896
00:51:04,800 --> 00:51:08,800
They're they're luminous themselves, like they have a glow of themselves.

897
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,760
There was no there was no moonlight to shine his

898
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:13,760
like for his eyes to shine, and we weren't shining

899
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,519
a flashlight at him. His eyes have a glow in

900
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:18,639
and of or all of them, I guess, have a

901
00:51:18,679 --> 00:51:22,239
glow in and of themselves. And it's yellow, like yellow

902
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,280
as yellow could be, like some people call it amber.

903
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:27,800
That's that's pretty close, I guess. But I mean, and

904
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,280
I mean it's it's creepy looking. But dude, in broad daylight,

905
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,760
you figured he's not all madded up. They looked like

906
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,320
he just went to the gloomer. But you think about

907
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,719
like suit of deer. They live outside all day, all

908
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:45,280
day long, all year round. They're never inside. But they

909
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,800
looked I didn't normal, like they look like a like

910
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:51,079
a dog. Would I mean that he wasn't all madded

911
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:56,559
and mangy looking or excuse me, I wasn't all madden

912
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,000
or mangy looking. Or anything like that. But he I mean,

913
00:52:02,599 --> 00:52:04,599
I don't know, man, it's just really really hard to

914
00:52:05,039 --> 00:52:09,159
just outright describe looking at one of these things. It's

915
00:52:09,159 --> 00:52:10,880
not normal. You're not supposed to have to think about

916
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:15,280
something like that. But but no, man, overall, you know,

917
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,599
in the i'd say, in the first few seconds of

918
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,639
laying eyes on him in broad freaking daylight, his posture

919
00:52:23,079 --> 00:52:24,599
with what got me first, and I kind of and

920
00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:28,840
I realized exactly that's exactly why I thought he was

921
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,719
what he was when I first saw him and dark.

922
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 3: Then Yeah, like I've told you before, life is so

923
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,239
complicated and difficult. It really is a shame yet to

924
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,760
deal with these experiences. It's just not fear, It's not

925
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:48,599
This next question is from Monique, and Monique wants to know, Kim,

926
00:52:48,639 --> 00:52:51,039
do you have any fear? I would we myself.

927
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:58,159
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, what do you mean by theater? Like,

928
00:52:59,199 --> 00:53:01,880
am I afraid of him? No? I'm not. No, it

929
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:05,000
was it was it was frightening, no, no joke all

930
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:10,519
you know, whatever side the first time I lay I

931
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:12,639
laid eyes on him, Yeah, there was like a shocked,

932
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:17,599
you know, fear factor for a minute or so. But overall, man,

933
00:53:17,639 --> 00:53:20,079
like I don't you know you'd be surprised that the

934
00:53:20,119 --> 00:53:23,079
things that I'm scared of it, I mean, it'd be

935
00:53:23,119 --> 00:53:25,440
something you'd probably laugh at me, Like I'm scared of height.

936
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,159
I was. I was, I was when I climbed, when

937
00:53:30,199 --> 00:53:32,119
I when I re arranged my climbers stand, I climbed

938
00:53:32,159 --> 00:53:34,360
up that I had to be twenty five feet. So

939
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,119
they say at thirty feet a white tail. Even if

940
00:53:37,159 --> 00:53:39,280
they just can't wind you, they can't get your sin,

941
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,119
you know. So I didn't want to go that high.

942
00:53:42,239 --> 00:53:43,960
I didn't want to go how it was, but I

943
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:45,760
needed to get as close as that thirty foot Marcus.

944
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:47,639
I felt like I could. And even then I may

945
00:53:47,639 --> 00:53:49,119
have been shy of but anythow that didn't have a

946
00:53:49,159 --> 00:53:52,239
measure mistake. But I was more nervous about being up

947
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:53,960
that high than I was because when I saw him,

948
00:53:54,559 --> 00:53:57,039
all your your your adenoaline spikes. I don't care who

949
00:53:57,039 --> 00:54:00,480
you are, how composed you are, you're adrenaline spike. You're

950
00:54:00,519 --> 00:54:04,000
hearing dolls itself and everything else kind of slows down.

951
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:08,639
Like I guess that's your body's response to or your

952
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:12,599
instincts or whatever, your response to do an out like

953
00:54:12,639 --> 00:54:15,960
an outside threat but you know what I'm what I'm

954
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:20,840
afraid of. What I'm terrified of other than you know,

955
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,360
heights and getting a stop. Afraid of needles as well.

956
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:28,159
You'll have a laugh at me. But uh, I'm afraid

957
00:54:28,199 --> 00:54:32,119
of my my you know, my kids being living in

958
00:54:32,159 --> 00:54:35,199
the world where those things are. I'm a helicopter dad,

959
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:40,400
you know, like I'm I'm I'm my kids. But man,

960
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,920
by their old enough move out happened my dad, leave

961
00:54:43,079 --> 00:54:46,079
me alone. I don't care. They're gonna be safe, you know,

962
00:54:46,599 --> 00:54:50,480
they you know, I try to work on letting them

963
00:54:50,519 --> 00:54:53,880
have a little bit more freedom, you know or whatever.

964
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,480
But now you know, man, they definitely can't go outside

965
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,559
by themselves. I've never once seen this thing at my

966
00:54:58,599 --> 00:55:05,199
house I live. I I live probably I live forty

967
00:55:05,199 --> 00:55:07,960
minutes from my grandparents' property like my house where I

968
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,320
live where I reside with my family, it's probably forty

969
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:14,760
minutes me, you know. But I still as being the

970
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:16,960
helicopter dad that I am and not having a dog

971
00:55:17,079 --> 00:55:18,960
like Dallas anymore. I don't have a big male dog

972
00:55:19,039 --> 00:55:21,480
to protect my kids anymore. My dogs would do it,

973
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,719
but it's just not the same sense of security, you

974
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,559
know that I used to get. But I'm terrified of

975
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:31,400
my kids being outside with something like that out there,

976
00:55:31,559 --> 00:55:36,119
like that scares. That scares me to the point of

977
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,199
like I don't even know, like I don't have words

978
00:55:40,199 --> 00:55:44,639
for that. That's terrifying. I mean, that's terror. But yeah,

979
00:55:44,639 --> 00:55:46,360
I don't know. I'm plenty scared. I'm not. I'm not

980
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,360
going to say that I'm not scared of anything at all,

981
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:50,760
because yeah, I'm I'm scared of that. I don't fear

982
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:54,519
any man. And you know, seeing that thing, you know

983
00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:57,360
I'm saying, I'm used to it, never used to it.

984
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,679
But no, I'm not afraid of him. You know, i'd

985
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:05,679
I'm not king of Earth either, But you better have

986
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,400
as much of a healthy fear of me as I

987
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:13,760
could have him. But I mean, I don't. No, I'm

988
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,079
scared of plenty I do have. I do have fear,

989
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:18,960
no doubt, Yeah, I have fear.

990
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 3: It's only natural that you would, and you are human

991
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,280
after all. One of the reasons why this has been

992
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:30,760
so difficult for me is just one of the reasons

993
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,760
is the fact that what something you just mentioned. Your kids,

994
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:36,840
I mean, kids are going to be kids. You can

995
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:40,320
only throttle them back so much. They're going to be kids.

996
00:56:41,199 --> 00:56:44,920
And I mean in our conversations, I've been trying to

997
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,960
impress upon you how dire of a situation this is.

998
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,960
You asked about if you moved, what are the odds

999
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:56,000
that might follow you? Well, like we talked about in

1000
00:56:56,039 --> 00:56:59,760
that last conversation, Yeah, there is every possibility that that

1001
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,079
fil knows where you live. It followed you home from

1002
00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:06,480
your grandfather's house. No guarantee that's the case, but there's

1003
00:57:06,519 --> 00:57:10,880
a strong possibility that that is reality. Well, if it

1004
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:14,519
does know where you live, then one of the frustrating

1005
00:57:14,599 --> 00:57:17,880
aspects of all this is you could move one hundred

1006
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:20,679
miles away and it might show up one day. I

1007
00:57:20,679 --> 00:57:24,159
don't know how they do that, but I mean that

1008
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:28,239
happens with these things. So it goes right back to

1009
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,880
the whole fact that there are no easy solutions for this.

1010
00:57:32,039 --> 00:57:36,079
It's just really frustrating, it really is. It's frustrating for me, So,

1011
00:57:36,239 --> 00:57:39,360
like I said, I can only imagine how frustrating it's

1012
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,679
got to be for a dad. You trying to wrap

1013
00:57:42,719 --> 00:57:45,719
your mind around all this and to try and resolve it.

1014
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:54,119
Speaker 2: It's just bad. Yeah, it was just me. You know,

1015
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:59,679
I didn't have kids about wasn't married. You know, it

1016
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:02,400
is what it is. You know, I'm not gonna let

1017
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:06,480
it control me. I'm not going. I'll never not go

1018
00:58:06,559 --> 00:58:10,719
to my grandparents' house. I mean, you know, And that's

1019
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,880
that's my play. I don't care. I don't think I

1020
00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:15,960
said this before, but I don't care how long that

1021
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,159
thing's been around. I don't. It doesn't matter to me

1022
00:58:18,239 --> 00:58:21,679
one bit. That's that's mine, that belongs to me and

1023
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:27,599
my family, and you know that's I myself will be okay.

1024
00:58:28,239 --> 00:58:30,840
I just I just want my kids to be okay.

1025
00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope that's the case. I hope you will

1026
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:38,039
be okay. There is no guarantee on that, unfortunately, because

1027
00:58:38,079 --> 00:58:40,719
as sneaky as these things are, as fast as they are,

1028
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,519
if it really wants to come get you, if you

1029
00:58:43,599 --> 00:58:47,119
go into that area, put yourself in its presence, then yeah,

1030
00:58:47,239 --> 00:58:49,119
it's in total control of that. I don't care if

1031
00:58:49,159 --> 00:58:52,760
you're armed or what. It's just a bitter truth than this.

1032
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:58,679
The next question is from Mark Mazumucci Mazzamechi, and he

1033
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,199
wants to know any chance of upgrading the four wheeler

1034
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,519
to something with walls.

1035
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:10,639
Speaker 2: Huh, the four wheeler was upgraded, so the one. What?

1036
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 4: Uh what, Grandpa? And it's my grandfather for this is

1037
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:19,559
a mine that this happened with. But uh so, up

1038
00:59:19,679 --> 00:59:24,079
until this past December, he had a.

1039
00:59:23,199 --> 00:59:28,039
Speaker 2: Under a Foreman five hundred the fuel injected one full drive. Yeah,

1040
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:33,880
perfect farm four wheeler. Uh h terribly fat in my

1041
00:59:34,159 --> 00:59:36,639
might run forty five fifty miles an half or something

1042
00:59:36,639 --> 00:59:43,079
like that. But uh and since then Grandpa has upgraded

1043
00:59:43,119 --> 00:59:47,519
to a cannon Renegade one thousand R. Which what possessed

1044
00:59:47,559 --> 00:59:50,400
him to do that? I have no idea, But I

1045
00:59:50,440 --> 00:59:54,519
will tell you that while I was, while I was

1046
00:59:54,519 --> 00:59:57,679
out and about right after, you know, while before I

1047
00:59:57,719 --> 00:59:59,440
made my move to go back to the house this

1048
00:59:59,519 --> 01:00:03,360
last time around, dude, I was rip roorn, snorting that

1049
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:08,079
thing and screaming for that dude, he'd have had a

1050
01:00:08,159 --> 01:00:10,239
time catching me if he if he'd ha showed himself again,

1051
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,960
he'd had a time catching me on that thing, because

1052
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:16,840
it was a I mean, my grandpa is seventy seventy

1053
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:24,639
six seventy seven now, and uh, I just I'm not sure.

1054
01:00:24,719 --> 01:00:26,719
I'm pretty sure he bought it because he knows I want,

1055
01:00:27,239 --> 01:00:29,159
because he knows I want to pull my my duck

1056
01:00:29,199 --> 01:00:32,000
boat duck hunting with it and stuff. I mean, it's

1057
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,360
I mean, it's just bad to fall. It's grateful with it.

1058
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,280
But he's he's never been a side by side guy.

1059
01:00:37,719 --> 01:00:39,320
You know, he's never really been one of the you know,

1060
01:00:40,199 --> 01:00:42,039
I guess. Uh, I don't know if it's something to

1061
01:00:42,039 --> 01:00:46,679
do with it being closed or or what. But uh no,

1062
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:49,480
if I I don't know, if I get something by myself,

1063
01:00:49,559 --> 01:00:52,679
yeah I might get I might get something to think closed.

1064
01:00:52,719 --> 01:00:54,760
You know, it's just safer for the kid, even if

1065
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:58,559
we're not talking about you know this, it's just safe

1066
01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:00,679
for kids to have something over their head. Say some

1067
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:04,880
crazy happens and you roll or whatever. Yeah, I get

1068
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,360
for me, I guess that's possibility. Now, Grandpa, he spent

1069
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,079
his money. He's tired in the Dutch, but he ain'tna

1070
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:11,079
spend money on anything else.

1071
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:15,639
Speaker 3: Well, keep in mind too, if you're riding around out

1072
01:01:15,639 --> 01:01:19,159
there and something that's got walls, that's just to make

1073
01:01:19,199 --> 01:01:21,239
you feel better. If it wants to get you. It

1074
01:01:21,239 --> 01:01:23,000
doesn't matter if you're in a side by side with

1075
01:01:23,119 --> 01:01:25,840
glass doors. It can still get you if it wants to.

1076
01:01:26,119 --> 01:01:29,880
So I'm glad, you know, to keep ahead your head

1077
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:34,719
on a swivel, because anytime if it does decide that

1078
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:37,400
it really has it in for you, it wants to

1079
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,760
get you, then yeah, that's when all the problems really start.

1080
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:41,679
Speaker 2: Unfortunately.

1081
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 3: This next question for you is from Catherine Cohen, and

1082
01:01:46,079 --> 01:01:48,159
she wants to know do you have a plan in

1083
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,360
place if this dog man breaches your home?

1084
01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:55,159
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, yeah, I do. Well, I mean, you know,

1085
01:01:55,159 --> 01:01:58,119
it's much of a bunch of a plan as you

1086
01:01:58,119 --> 01:02:02,400
can have. I mean, it really would depend. You know,

1087
01:02:02,519 --> 01:02:05,960
am I in my home in the middle of the

1088
01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:07,599
night in the sins? I mean, I've got dogs. It

1089
01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:12,360
won't get in my house without me knowing. But my

1090
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,960
my doors and windows stay locked. So I mean, other

1091
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,639
than fourced entry, there's no way it's going to get in,

1092
01:02:18,719 --> 01:02:24,400
which you know, of course not you know, not a naive.

1093
01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:30,199
If he wanted to fourth entry, he certainly could. But yeah, yeah, man,

1094
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,079
we got a twelve games with a bunch of slugs,

1095
01:02:33,079 --> 01:02:35,320
a three o eight loaded up with all five rounds

1096
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:39,000
and smith and Western forty caliber pistol that has been

1097
01:02:39,159 --> 01:02:41,559
old trusted by my side and has stopped him once.

1098
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,360
Whether you know he just decided, Okay, how that hurt,

1099
01:02:46,519 --> 01:02:48,519
I'm gonna leave or or that thing's a danger to

1100
01:02:48,559 --> 01:02:49,920
my life. I don't know. I'm not in his head,

1101
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,880
but uh, yeah, I know, my my wife is is

1102
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:57,159
really good with a gun. I'm really good with a gun.

1103
01:02:57,199 --> 01:03:00,360
And you know, all but our oldest. We have two

1104
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,079
youngest children sleep in our bed, so they'd be right there.

1105
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:09,880
But uh, you know, my oldest are into the house.

1106
01:03:10,519 --> 01:03:14,440
I mean, it's really it's Yeah, I guess there's much

1107
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:18,079
of a plan as you can have in place. It's

1108
01:03:18,159 --> 01:03:21,559
just kind of hard to plan for, you know, something

1109
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:24,679
you don't know, many angles on, you know. But yeah,

1110
01:03:24,679 --> 01:03:26,599
I mean I guess as much as you can't have one,

1111
01:03:26,639 --> 01:03:27,280
we have one.

1112
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 3: Well those are that thing. I hope that never does happen,

1113
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,440
so you have to find out how prepared you are

1114
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,679
in that event. I really hope it never does. Hondra's

1115
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:41,760
Kirazalez has the next question. He wants to know. Sorry

1116
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,960
to ask this, but where their heart's gone. I'm sure

1117
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,559
he's asking about your grandfather's two dogs.

1118
01:03:51,199 --> 01:03:56,599
Speaker 2: I'm honestly not sure. I know they were partially eating,

1119
01:04:02,119 --> 01:04:04,440
and you know, my Paula does it's not some of them,

1120
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:10,920
but like that's my grandpa or whatever. But responsibility and

1121
01:04:11,079 --> 01:04:11,840
told me they was.

1122
01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 3: So maybe, well that is their mo o. So yeah,

1123
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:23,199
if the dog man did actually dispatch them, then there's

1124
01:04:23,239 --> 01:04:28,800
a strong possibility that's the case. So yeah, it's unfortunate.

1125
01:04:29,639 --> 01:04:32,400
This next question is from Michigan meat Eater, and he

1126
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,639
wants to know did you feel as safe as you

1127
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,599
could in the tree or do you think they can climb?

1128
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,159
Speaker 2: Well, no, because I'm scared of heights. First of all,

1129
01:04:44,039 --> 01:04:48,000
I'm terrified being up there. But no, I mean it

1130
01:04:48,119 --> 01:04:50,480
was kind of it was more so that he didn't

1131
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:56,599
see me, yeah, at first, and it was just kind

1132
01:04:56,599 --> 01:04:58,760
of I guess it was like knowing that I had

1133
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:03,280
to drop on him, essentially because I promise you. I

1134
01:05:03,519 --> 01:05:05,760
promised you. If i'd have had my three oh a,

1135
01:05:06,159 --> 01:05:07,800
I don't know if one would have done the job

1136
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:09,760
or not, but i'd have put one right in the

1137
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:12,039
left side of his face or on the left side

1138
01:05:12,039 --> 01:05:16,519
of his head. But I mean, I'm a decent shot

1139
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:19,519
with a pistol. I mean, I'm well above average shot

1140
01:05:19,559 --> 01:05:23,440
with a pistol, but at seventy yards through brush and

1141
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,239
all that, it's just, you know, that wasn't something I

1142
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:29,599
was willing to I wouldn't I wouldn't that comfortable say that,

1143
01:05:29,639 --> 01:05:34,599
but being being up might have given me a little

1144
01:05:34,599 --> 01:05:38,320
bit of extra security. But no, I mean I did.

1145
01:05:37,639 --> 01:05:43,079
I thought to myself, excuse me, I thought to myself

1146
01:05:43,119 --> 01:05:47,960
at some point that you know, he's going to have

1147
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,920
to come up this tree, and when he does, he's

1148
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,679
going to be directly below me. And you know, a

1149
01:05:54,719 --> 01:05:59,559
big bulky climber. Stand I mean, it's like a it's

1150
01:05:59,599 --> 01:06:03,519
like a I mean what brand it is, But it

1151
01:06:03,559 --> 01:06:07,079
was I had had a good shot down the tree

1152
01:06:07,199 --> 01:06:10,719
under me. He he you know, he'd have had to

1153
01:06:10,719 --> 01:06:13,480
come straight from the ground directly to me and snatch

1154
01:06:13,559 --> 01:06:16,159
me out or whatever he plan to do, because I

1155
01:06:16,199 --> 01:06:20,039
you know him, him not having eyes on me and

1156
01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:22,760
not winding me at first and having to drop on

1157
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,880
him is really what gave me my there's no sense

1158
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:27,639
of security. Let me let me not say that, let

1159
01:06:27,679 --> 01:06:30,280
me not miss leave anybody. It gave me as much

1160
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,239
of a sense security as I could have had in

1161
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:33,920
that situation.

1162
01:06:34,039 --> 01:06:39,079
Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, in a situation like that, you'll take

1163
01:06:39,119 --> 01:06:42,599
any bit of confidence or feeling of security that you

1164
01:06:42,679 --> 01:06:47,239
can get. So I'm glad you had some looks like

1165
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:50,679
Andre's car Azalez. This is another question for you. He

1166
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:54,199
wants to know, Kim, did this attack seem malicious in nature?

1167
01:06:55,800 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, man, do this I will be honestly,

1168
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:05,639
it's it's been. It seemed like it was malicious since

1169
01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:10,119
the first time. I mean what I tell you when

1170
01:07:10,159 --> 01:07:17,119
I say that, man, this thing had my dog man like,

1171
01:07:17,199 --> 01:07:20,559
he had a hold of him, and it was this

1172
01:07:20,679 --> 01:07:29,079
isn't something, you know. So he had bitten Dallas a

1173
01:07:29,119 --> 01:07:31,119
couple of times by the time, by the time I

1174
01:07:31,199 --> 01:07:34,960
was up and standing and was fully conscious of where

1175
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:36,559
I was and what was going on and why I

1176
01:07:36,559 --> 01:07:40,000
heard the noises that I was in. I don't realize

1177
01:07:40,039 --> 01:07:48,960
how big this thing's claws are. Right Like he Dallas

1178
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:52,559
couldn't have got if he was you know, if he

1179
01:07:52,679 --> 01:07:58,320
was fully, fully conscious and still full of fight, he's

1180
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:02,360
still cutting. He still couldn't have gotten way that. I mean,

1181
01:08:03,519 --> 01:08:06,519
he had calls in him while he looked at me.

1182
01:08:08,159 --> 01:08:11,199
And when I when I when I say that, you know,

1183
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:13,719
he didn't open his mouth and use words. He didn't.

1184
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:17,079
I didn't hear a voice in my head. But come on, boy,

1185
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,119
come here, boy, come here to me, Come here, boy.

1186
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:25,880
That that challenge, that that that goating. They're trying to

1187
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:29,239
goad me into and I and now looking about, I

1188
01:08:29,279 --> 01:08:31,479
did exactly what he wanted. I ran straight for him.

1189
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:33,920
That's exactly what he wanted me to do. And you know,

1190
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:36,840
I don't really care, man, I you know, I die

1191
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,279
with my brother. I don't. I don't. I don't. You know.

1192
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,199
I wouldn't have I would never want to leave my kids.

1193
01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:45,760
But man, in that moment there there was there was

1194
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:47,960
one option, and it was trying to save my dog. Man.

1195
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:50,680
But he was I mean, he was already gone, and

1196
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:52,920
I just didn't, you know, I didn't realize that. But

1197
01:08:53,039 --> 01:08:56,000
he was very well already gone. And he knew that.

1198
01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:00,920
Not Dallas, but this thing. It knew that. But man, no,

1199
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:05,199
when he when he saw me this this past Friday,

1200
01:09:05,239 --> 01:09:09,840
but whatever do fridays go her along those? No, Man,

1201
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:12,000
when he turned and looked, and so I'm telling you

1202
01:09:12,039 --> 01:09:13,960
it was it was the wind must have been at

1203
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:16,920
my back for like a couple of seconds, because there's

1204
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:19,520
no way he winded me so fast as to I

1205
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:21,439
just felt the breeze behind me and he winded me

1206
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:28,279
because we were still forty yards maybe if that I'm

1207
01:09:28,279 --> 01:09:32,039
probably more like thirty. But no, man, he looked up

1208
01:09:32,039 --> 01:09:33,560
at me and showed me to like he knew who

1209
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:38,399
I was. He's, dude, there's near human intelligence in these things.

1210
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:41,239
Like I'm not an I'm not an expert or anything

1211
01:09:41,319 --> 01:09:45,960
like that. But you know, I've I've I said this

1212
01:09:46,039 --> 01:09:48,760
to Vic and it's and it's in a weird way,

1213
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:52,760
but I've got way more experience with this thing, or

1214
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:54,760
with these things in general than most people. I've got

1215
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:56,880
face to face experience with them, which not a lot

1216
01:09:56,920 --> 01:10:00,680
of people can say. And when I tell you that, yeah, no, absolutely,

1217
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:05,399
there's no question that there's there's malice about it. I mean, yeah,

1218
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:06,840
he looked at me and showed me his teeth. I

1219
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:08,239
don't know. I don't know if he was trying to

1220
01:10:08,279 --> 01:10:11,359
get beer from me or you know, that was just

1221
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:17,600
something he does instinctally. Maybe it probably is. Maybe, but uh, yeah,

1222
01:10:18,039 --> 01:10:21,560
there's there's no lack of malice when it comes to

1223
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:22,239
me in this thing.

1224
01:10:22,720 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 3: Fairly, no, I'd say not. Unfortunately, it looks like Sonia

1225
01:10:29,039 --> 01:10:32,079
Vassalo has the next one up on deck. She wants

1226
01:10:32,119 --> 01:10:35,680
to know. Sorry if Cam mentioned this and I missed it,

1227
01:10:36,199 --> 01:10:38,720
but what color were the dog man's eyes?

1228
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:45,840
Speaker 2: Man, there's between yellow and amber. I guess that would

1229
01:10:46,039 --> 01:10:50,680
call it amber. And you know it's they don't stand

1230
01:10:50,720 --> 01:10:53,239
out as much in the daytime, you know, obviously, so

1231
01:10:54,199 --> 01:10:57,439
but uh man that that first night when we saw him,

1232
01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:00,600
it was that was man that was creepy. That I mean,

1233
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:03,319
his his size and his posture and the way he moved.

1234
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:06,199
Really what was what was the creepy part about it?

1235
01:11:06,279 --> 01:11:09,399
And I knew what it was like, you know, I

1236
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:12,199
knew as soon as he stood up. I didn't even

1237
01:11:12,279 --> 01:11:14,920
have like a complete and total visual on him yet,

1238
01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:18,680
but that's what was creepy. But no, they're you know,

1239
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:26,720
I guess amber is like a yellow brown, I guess,

1240
01:11:27,119 --> 01:11:29,680
but I guess, I guess yellow would be the best word,

1241
01:11:30,039 --> 01:11:33,359
the best. And I guess I saw less of him

1242
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:35,239
this past time around because I was, like I said,

1243
01:11:35,319 --> 01:11:38,439
broad daylight, I don't sign as much, but I have

1244
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:44,880
seen him when they were at there or most whatever

1245
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:49,680
the illuminated whatever the word is. But it's it's pretty

1246
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:52,159
close to yellow. That's the best part I can give you.

1247
01:11:53,399 --> 01:11:56,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, you got too good to look at them, unfortunately,

1248
01:11:57,479 --> 01:12:02,079
could he laughing? Wolf has next question. Coodie wants to know, Well,

1249
01:12:02,079 --> 01:12:06,039
it's actually a piece of advice. His message is, Kim,

1250
01:12:06,119 --> 01:12:08,520
I feel for you. Be safe, but don't take this

1251
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:12,680
creature lightly. Sasha maybe a sweetheart by comparison, but yours

1252
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:13,720
is indeed a monster.

1253
01:12:15,840 --> 01:12:18,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean, man, I won't I promise. I'm

1254
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:22,000
you know, I said if I was a single dude

1255
01:12:22,039 --> 01:12:23,840
with no kids, that's you know, that's not something I

1256
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:29,239
would ever stay lightly. I'm glad your experiences don't go

1257
01:12:29,319 --> 01:12:31,319
this way, and I hope and pray that they never do.

1258
01:12:34,119 --> 01:12:41,560
As a Yeah, I just don't. Oh, it's just just

1259
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:50,920
confusing and unnerving. And if you're a man, if your

1260
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:54,520
experiences with yours are pleasant, do whatever you can to

1261
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:55,880
keep it that way, because I'm you.

1262
01:12:55,840 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 5: Know, I'll I'll die before I take him lightly. You

1263
01:13:03,079 --> 01:13:06,239
know it's there, I die if I did take him lightly.

1264
01:13:06,079 --> 01:13:13,359
Speaker 2: I guess, but uh hopefully I'd say I'd be I'd

1265
01:13:13,359 --> 01:13:15,479
say I'd be happy he was up and left and

1266
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:17,760
was gone forever, and if if there was some way

1267
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:20,960
I could know that he would never come back without

1268
01:13:21,039 --> 01:13:25,399
him being dead. But at this point that's just it's

1269
01:13:25,439 --> 01:13:27,640
really just not enough for me. Like I want to

1270
01:13:27,640 --> 01:13:31,039
see him, I want him. I don't want to mount

1271
01:13:31,079 --> 01:13:32,920
any stuff on the wall. I don't want to say

1272
01:13:32,960 --> 01:13:36,119
him like that, but I want him dead. He's got

1273
01:13:36,159 --> 01:13:39,800
to go. There's there's evil there, man, there's absolutely evil there.

1274
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:42,720
And you know it's it's kind of a like it's

1275
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:47,079
kind of muddy water we're waiting in right now, because honestly,

1276
01:13:47,159 --> 01:13:49,920
Tyler casts the first stone. If you if you really

1277
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:51,840
want to, really really really want to break it down,

1278
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:55,920
sput hair to get technical. You know, we fired on him,

1279
01:13:57,079 --> 01:13:59,039
but the dude had no b I mean, he didn't

1280
01:13:59,039 --> 01:14:02,079
have any business there, Like you didn't have what business

1281
01:14:02,159 --> 01:14:04,680
you have coming and trying to scare me? You know

1282
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,039
what business you have trying to elicit some kind of

1283
01:14:07,079 --> 01:14:10,640
a some kind of you know, trying to feed on

1284
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:13,920
my fear or whatever, if that's true or whatever. It mean,

1285
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:17,199
you don't have any business coming around me or my family,

1286
01:14:17,199 --> 01:14:19,680
because I mean, God forbid, if i'd had my kids

1287
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:22,399
with me, you know what do you I don't even

1288
01:14:22,399 --> 01:14:24,600
know that's do that's I don't even think about that,

1289
01:14:26,319 --> 01:14:34,399
but uh, I promise I would definitely have it. That's

1290
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,159
that's at all. You know, everything came to a head.

1291
01:14:38,159 --> 01:14:40,159
Stop out for one second, taking a lot, man, I

1292
01:14:40,199 --> 01:14:45,079
promise you that I will not uh moving forwards. But yeah,

1293
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:49,800
if you I got to look into your your bit, dude,

1294
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:53,920
I'd like to know how your interactions with what you

1295
01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,720
call Sasha. I'd like to know how those go. That

1296
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:00,119
might must be nice to have non violent interact. It

1297
01:15:00,199 --> 01:15:01,960
is just one of these things, man, I would know.

1298
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,079
Speaker 3: I wish they could all be that way. I really do.

1299
01:15:07,039 --> 01:15:09,760
And just to make a reminder, like I said at

1300
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:13,279
the top of the show, Tuesday night, nine pm Eastern Time,

1301
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:16,600
Cody's going to be on updates about his most recent

1302
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:20,439
experiences with Sasha, So I hope you can make it

1303
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:23,640
and listen to him do that. The next question for

1304
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,279
you is from David Daniels, and Dave wants to know

1305
01:15:27,079 --> 01:15:29,399
was he close enough to tell if his eyebrows are

1306
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:31,359
as expressive as dogs can be.

1307
01:15:33,319 --> 01:15:38,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, damn, Tony, there's there's near human intelligence

1308
01:15:39,239 --> 01:15:43,359
with these. Like I've had dogs. I've had dogs that

1309
01:15:43,399 --> 01:15:46,680
were crazy smart, Like they most of the time dogs

1310
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:50,119
understand the tone of your voice or a certain sound,

1311
01:15:50,159 --> 01:15:53,840
or they associate a certain word with something that they like,

1312
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:57,960
like when you when you say to a dog, Hey, hey,

1313
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:02,920
what would you like to do to day? Dallas, would

1314
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:06,439
you be partial to maybe a cold cup of tea,

1315
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:08,399
or would you like a treat and here's treat and

1316
01:16:08,399 --> 01:16:10,800
it's like, oh yeah, no, And you see that you

1317
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:13,560
get that reaction for him, whether it's he cocks his

1318
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,640
head or he barks or you know, he cuts his

1319
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:18,600
eyes at you with his with his eyebrows like that.

1320
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:22,079
But no, I mean there's it's deeper than that. It's

1321
01:16:22,119 --> 01:16:24,920
absolutely deeper. I mean, dud luck to me with this

1322
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:30,239
hateful it's so much different than a hateful look from

1323
01:16:30,279 --> 01:16:35,760
a person would give you because there's like, I'm not

1324
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:42,920
gonna say there's human h features. I mean obviously there

1325
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:49,520
are his hands, you know, but I wouldn't even compare

1326
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:51,279
it to it. I mean, it's it's like staring down

1327
01:16:51,319 --> 01:16:56,039
a big nightmarish harry human that wants to do you

1328
01:16:56,079 --> 01:16:59,079
in each year or whatever. I mean, it's I wouldn't

1329
01:16:59,079 --> 01:17:01,920
compare that to it. That's that's something that's innocent and

1330
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:05,279
pure and kind of you know and illicit smiles from

1331
01:17:05,279 --> 01:17:07,880
people when dogs cocked their head or give you that

1332
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:10,760
facial expression. I definitely wouldn't compare it to that.

1333
01:17:13,239 --> 01:17:17,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely apples and oranges. Bang Bang has the

1334
01:17:17,159 --> 01:17:19,720
next one for you She wants to know, Kim did

1335
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:20,359
it smile?

1336
01:17:22,199 --> 01:17:26,640
Speaker 2: No? No, No, he didn't smile. Man, I feel like

1337
01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:28,880
he was smarting at me that like the first time

1338
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:33,399
by while he was killing my dog. I feel like

1339
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:37,319
there was a smart like it was a you know,

1340
01:17:43,319 --> 01:17:45,760
I don't, I don't know, not not this time. No,

1341
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:51,199
because it was I mean, it was anger and this

1342
01:17:52,079 --> 01:17:57,239
animalistic determination that I'll get you. You know, I just can't.

1343
01:17:57,680 --> 01:18:00,840
I cannot stress that enough. I'll get you those three words,

1344
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:03,439
I'll get you those three words come to your boy,

1345
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:09,039
you know, like I just yeah, I don't. Oh.

1346
01:18:09,079 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 3: I'm sure tons of thoughts were going through your head

1347
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:13,880
about what it was thinking at the time and saying

1348
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:17,079
to itself. So I'm sure there have been other thoughts

1349
01:18:17,079 --> 01:18:18,680
besides that as well.

1350
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:19,560
Speaker 2: I don't doubt it.

1351
01:18:20,159 --> 01:18:22,880
Speaker 3: David Seal wants to know how tall the tree was

1352
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:28,960
that you're in. When you have this experience, have.

1353
01:18:29,039 --> 01:18:32,119
Speaker 2: No idea it's a big I mean a big tree side.

1354
01:18:32,159 --> 01:18:34,199
I mean they ain't you know, a big one hundred

1355
01:18:34,239 --> 01:18:35,960
year old oak tree, big or anything like that. It

1356
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:40,279
was small enough to climber stand on comfortably where I had,

1357
01:18:40,439 --> 01:18:42,520
you know, I felt like I wouldn't I didn't have

1358
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:46,920
my I probably had it on the I was like

1359
01:18:47,039 --> 01:18:51,680
one one peg or so above the or one peg

1360
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:57,880
or so from having it like fully extended. Yeah, I

1361
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:00,439
couldn't tell you how tall the tree it was. Any tall,

1362
01:19:00,479 --> 01:19:02,479
I wouldn't. I wouldn't a third of the way up

1363
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:06,800
the tree his eyes, I was probably one hundred feet tall.

1364
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:07,239
I don't know.

1365
01:19:07,319 --> 01:19:12,760
Speaker 3: Maybe, well that's still pretty darn tall. David Daniels wants

1366
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:15,479
to know didn't have any patterning on its fur.

1367
01:19:17,479 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, he's dude. He's dark dark gun metal gray

1368
01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:29,039
like like not not black, not black, but there's I

1369
01:19:29,079 --> 01:19:31,439
mean he's probably dirty a little bit too, but no,

1370
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:36,279
he's dark gray man, just straight up as plain Jane

1371
01:19:36,279 --> 01:19:40,279
as you can be, dark gray like. There's no I mean,

1372
01:19:40,319 --> 01:19:43,079
I got a good look at him this time. There's

1373
01:19:43,119 --> 01:19:47,840
no there's no mistaking, there's no that's not night time,

1374
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:51,880
this time broad daylight. The dude is exactly the way

1375
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:55,359
I remember him, just I say, playing there's no plane

1376
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:57,600
to its just the flat color.

1377
01:19:59,239 --> 01:20:03,119
Speaker 3: You got too good to a look. Baby girl wants

1378
01:20:03,159 --> 01:20:04,960
to know. Was he very muscular?

1379
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's more like a lean muscle though, Like

1380
01:20:10,199 --> 01:20:12,720
I said, I've heard a lot of people say, like, man,

1381
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:15,960
this thing looks like a body builder like I had.

1382
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:20,039
And you know, there I didn't seem abs. I mean,

1383
01:20:20,079 --> 01:20:23,600
I'm sure, yeah it was obviously has abdominal abdominal muscles,

1384
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:29,920
but you can't really there's no distinguished techtooral muscles or

1385
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:35,239
abdominal muscles. But it shoulders are big, like I said,

1386
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:38,560
I said Vica screenshot of I don't remember what it was.

1387
01:20:38,600 --> 01:20:41,159
It was from it like the thumbnail from one of

1388
01:20:41,159 --> 01:20:43,079
his episodes. I don't remember which one it was or

1389
01:20:43,079 --> 01:20:46,640
what it said, but the picture in it is I

1390
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:50,840
mean that it's it's shoulders are slightly larger than what

1391
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:55,159
that picture was. And that's that's about it. I mean,

1392
01:20:55,319 --> 01:20:58,399
it looks just like him, Like it's almost like somebody

1393
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:01,640
was there and took that picture. Sure you know, but

1394
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:08,880
uh yeah, it wasn't a I mean, he wasn't buff

1395
01:21:09,119 --> 01:21:11,119
like so like I hear some accounts of these things

1396
01:21:11,159 --> 01:21:15,760
being but I mean, yeah, he's wild animals, the musculars

1397
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:16,359
he needs to be.

1398
01:21:17,920 --> 01:21:21,359
Speaker 3: That picture. I'm looking for the episode number right now.

1399
01:21:23,079 --> 01:21:27,039
Speaker 2: I remember he said. The caption says when I talk

1400
01:21:27,119 --> 01:21:28,399
about them, they come around.

1401
01:21:29,319 --> 01:21:30,600
Speaker 3: That's right, Yeah, episode five.

1402
01:21:32,399 --> 01:21:36,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's the one. I just I just saw

1403
01:21:36,239 --> 01:21:39,800
the thumbnail and it was kind of like not deja vou.

1404
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:42,920
But you know that's I mean, that's it, Like that

1405
01:21:43,039 --> 01:21:46,840
is that is all? But it I mean his ears

1406
01:21:46,880 --> 01:21:51,600
aren't long and pointy. I mean, every everything pretty much

1407
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:53,079
from what I can tell in that because it's not

1408
01:21:53,159 --> 01:21:56,079
like a full picture where it stands up and you know,

1409
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:59,520
you get a few like I got of this thing.

1410
01:22:00,159 --> 01:22:03,680
But that's that's it. I mean, if I had to

1411
01:22:03,680 --> 01:22:05,960
say that, this one is the closest I've ever seen

1412
01:22:06,039 --> 01:22:06,600
that takes it.

1413
01:22:09,439 --> 01:22:11,920
Speaker 3: Got another question for you. I don't really know what

1414
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:15,359
her name is, it's symbols, but she wants to know

1415
01:22:15,439 --> 01:22:17,800
why don't you call the Fish and Wildlife, who will,

1416
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:21,079
in turn tell you it's a bear, of course, but

1417
01:22:21,159 --> 01:22:24,159
they will also call the federal who will I think

1418
01:22:24,199 --> 01:22:27,560
she means federal authorities who will come eradicate it? Well,

1419
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:30,840
they might, and they might not. Odds are they won't

1420
01:22:31,359 --> 01:22:34,319
eradicate it, and all he would be doing is bringing

1421
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:38,399
trouble down on himself. So definitely recommend against doing that,

1422
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:42,359
would not recommend that at all. This next one is

1423
01:22:42,359 --> 01:22:45,159
from Liz M and she wants to know so this

1424
01:22:45,199 --> 01:22:48,319
one looked like a hyena from the first encounter. Well,

1425
01:22:48,399 --> 01:22:53,640
this was the dog man from the first encounter, so yes, definitely.

1426
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:56,479
The next one is from David Z three to four

1427
01:22:56,840 --> 01:22:59,239
and Dave wants to know how much furd did it

1428
01:22:59,319 --> 01:23:00,199
have on the show.

1429
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:06,560
Speaker 2: Shoulder I shoulders to the covered fir. I mean, you

1430
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:08,159
can tell. The only reason I can tell his shoulders

1431
01:23:08,199 --> 01:23:10,239
are bigger is because they kind of bulged out of it,

1432
01:23:10,399 --> 01:23:14,600
not like huge, bulging handed ball shoulders. But I mean

1433
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:20,119
there's he's big, and he's I mean, he's I mean,

1434
01:23:22,119 --> 01:23:24,800
I forget how big. The only gauge I really have

1435
01:23:25,159 --> 01:23:27,399
of how you know, other than just seeing him and

1436
01:23:27,399 --> 01:23:29,920
have an eyes on him, how big he is was

1437
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:35,479
the the tree that he walked out and walked out

1438
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:38,359
towards while me and Tyler, you know, the first time

1439
01:23:38,399 --> 01:23:39,840
we ever saw him for some of e laid eyes

1440
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:42,439
on him. There's a bit old branch and I had

1441
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:44,279
a measurement on it. I forget how tall it was,

1442
01:23:45,119 --> 01:23:48,279
but uh, I mean he was like I think I

1443
01:23:48,399 --> 01:23:51,479
said that they want hunched over, but on two feet

1444
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:54,159
they're never just standing straight up with their backs straight

1445
01:23:54,159 --> 01:24:01,520
with a good posture. But I mean for monster, and

1446
01:24:02,399 --> 01:24:08,720
you know it's face. It says, what does it say?

1447
01:24:08,760 --> 01:24:13,159
How much hair was on his face? I mean, all right,

1448
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:17,000
like a dog's face. It's not it's not like I said.

1449
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:19,600
It's not like in like I've heard some other people

1450
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:23,479
descript like some people's descript and say, uh, you know,

1451
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:26,279
you like there's there's almost no hair on their chest,

1452
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:31,159
or don't. That's not like he's he's hairy. He's like

1453
01:24:31,159 --> 01:24:37,199
a dog pretty as well as I can describe it.

1454
01:24:37,199 --> 01:24:39,560
I don't. It doesn't seem to be any lack of

1455
01:24:39,560 --> 01:24:41,239
hair anywhere on him. There's a lack of the tail.

1456
01:24:41,479 --> 01:24:43,840
Doesn't have a tail. I know that much. I was

1457
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:46,000
pretty sure that the first time he turned and ran

1458
01:24:46,039 --> 01:24:49,760
and I saw his hind quarters, and I tell you

1459
01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:53,000
there's no tail on him. I keep saying him. I

1460
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:56,279
don't see genitally either, but I you know, I get

1461
01:24:56,319 --> 01:24:58,279
the sense that the thing is a male because there's

1462
01:24:58,279 --> 01:25:06,760
this real sense of clash or whatever between us, which whatever, I.

1463
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:09,239
Speaker 3: Think, you're right, Yeah, I beg of money. And this

1464
01:25:09,359 --> 01:25:13,159
some meal from his actions and all his behavior. This

1465
01:25:13,239 --> 01:25:16,159
next one is from Michigan mediater. He wants to know,

1466
01:25:16,359 --> 01:25:20,399
have you your grandpa gotten anything like tril cam picks tracks,

1467
01:25:20,520 --> 01:25:21,039
et cetera.

1468
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:25,600
Speaker 2: Now a stingle one, not a stingle one. So the

1469
01:25:26,079 --> 01:25:29,600
whole thing with uh And I'll be honest with you, man,

1470
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:31,359
if I did have him, I wouldn't show him anybody.

1471
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:35,399
It's you know, that's a I don't know. If Vic

1472
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:37,520
wanted a picture, I probably if I had one, i'd

1473
01:25:37,560 --> 01:25:41,359
send it to him, I'd imagine. But uh no, So

1474
01:25:42,039 --> 01:25:45,199
where he was hard day's pain us for somebody that

1475
01:25:45,199 --> 01:25:49,279
hadn't seen his Probably so from the direction he was

1476
01:25:49,319 --> 01:25:53,560
coming from, he was in the spot where if you

1477
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:56,319
heard the you know, the account of what happened the

1478
01:25:56,319 --> 01:26:01,119
first time. When we first see him, we didn't realize

1479
01:26:01,159 --> 01:26:04,279
we were seeing him, didn't realize what it was. We

1480
01:26:04,359 --> 01:26:07,239
thought it was a big deer or two hogs standing

1481
01:26:07,279 --> 01:26:10,680
next to each other or something, because he was down

1482
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:12,800
at the and there's no change in my mind about it.

1483
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:16,239
At first. Tyler looks down through his scope and he's like, man,

1484
01:26:16,279 --> 01:26:18,920
there's there's something down there. I can't tell what it is,

1485
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:22,680
but it's big, you know. Anyway, it's him. That thing

1486
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:28,079
was probably fifteen feet out of view of the camera

1487
01:26:28,119 --> 01:26:31,119
that was down there. Because there is a camera down.

1488
01:26:32,079 --> 01:26:36,840
But and I could be wrong about this, but if

1489
01:26:36,840 --> 01:26:41,960
he stalks that pine tree for us, right, which would

1490
01:26:42,159 --> 01:26:45,079
kind of explain why he was there that night and

1491
01:26:45,119 --> 01:26:49,640
why he was able to you know why, it's explain

1492
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:51,359
why he was there if he stalks that pine before,

1493
01:26:51,399 --> 01:26:53,279
because there's a lot of big deer in there, which

1494
01:26:53,319 --> 01:26:58,239
means a lot of big food sources. Makes sense. But

1495
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:06,920
I'm sorry, I was reading this sad track. Somebody said,

1496
01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:09,640
that's just like the one. I hope you haven't seen

1497
01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:14,680
one at all, feel but uh, what was the question?

1498
01:27:14,760 --> 01:27:16,359
I put it off my train of thought. Read back.

1499
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:19,600
Speaker 3: Oh, that's all right, I lost my train of thought

1500
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:25,800
too when you mentioned Tiffany's comment. Tiffany is an eyewitness

1501
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:30,720
who's had multiple encounters. So yeah, I mean she's going

1502
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:33,239
to be on this upcoming Friday show where she's going

1503
01:27:33,319 --> 01:27:35,640
to talk about some of the experiences that she's had.

1504
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:38,039
It's an update show. She's already been on the show.

1505
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:42,439
She's going to talk about and encounter she had where unfortunately,

1506
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:45,159
two dog men were fighting just feet away from her

1507
01:27:45,439 --> 01:27:49,840
out in her woods. So yeah, she knows what you're

1508
01:27:49,880 --> 01:27:54,399
going through with the unfortunate things you've experienced, not to

1509
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:57,760
interrupt you, I apologize. If you're not sure what the

1510
01:27:57,880 --> 01:28:01,039
question was, then I can throw the next one at you.

1511
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:03,560
Speaker 2: No, no, I don't. I don't know if I answered.

1512
01:28:03,600 --> 01:28:05,720
I mean, if they have questions, I want to answer it.

1513
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:09,680
Speaker 3: If I remember correctly, I think he did answer it.

1514
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 2: Okay, I think he did.

1515
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:15,399
Speaker 3: The next one is from David Daniels. He wants to

1516
01:28:15,479 --> 01:28:18,439
know or it's a comment. I can't imagine the anger

1517
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:21,680
you're feeling from losing the dogs. How do you control yourself?

1518
01:28:25,359 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 2: Uh? I mean, you know if you call me control

1519
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:36,199
of myself, you know what I'm what I'm I mean,

1520
01:28:36,239 --> 01:28:38,159
I guess because I have bid man. You know, I

1521
01:28:38,199 --> 01:28:42,159
can't just clock out, you know, I can't just I

1522
01:28:42,159 --> 01:28:47,159
can't just go and and uh, you know, recklessly throw

1523
01:28:47,199 --> 01:28:53,279
myself into mindless pursuit of this monster that killed my dog.

1524
01:28:53,319 --> 01:28:54,960
Though I would love I man, I love him to

1525
01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:57,840
be dead at my feet, you know. And I'm not

1526
01:28:58,319 --> 01:29:01,039
an evil or malicious person, you know, I'm not. It's

1527
01:29:01,079 --> 01:29:03,079
just he's taken so much from me and doesn't even

1528
01:29:03,119 --> 01:29:05,399
know it. He isn't not even aware of it, like

1529
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:08,479
he's you know, tax free for him that he killed. Well,

1530
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:10,439
not really, because I guess it's good shot so time.

1531
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:14,880
But you know he didn't well on that. You know,

1532
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:17,359
that's not something that bothers him. It bothers me that

1533
01:29:17,399 --> 01:29:19,960
my dog's gone. It bothers me that my kids can't

1534
01:29:19,960 --> 01:29:22,640
go outside, that I can't allow them to go outside

1535
01:29:22,680 --> 01:29:27,239
by themselves. And but that's you know, man, they're They're

1536
01:29:27,279 --> 01:29:29,600
the only thing, man, the only thing that keeps me

1537
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:32,760
from I mean, I dude, i'ma be honest with me, man.

1538
01:29:32,840 --> 01:29:36,720
Speaker 6: If I didn't have kids, if I didn't have kids, Ida,

1539
01:29:38,079 --> 01:29:42,600
at some point, i'd have gone looking for him to

1540
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:44,159
an extent far greater than I had.

1541
01:29:44,279 --> 01:29:47,479
Speaker 2: Like I said, I went after after good season was over,

1542
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:51,159
Hunt's period, deer Duck and all that was over last year,

1543
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:56,600
And uh, I went and sat in my stand by myself,

1544
01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:00,600
by myself. I did not take Tyler. I didn't my grandpa.

1545
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:03,479
I was going nothing like I would pull my truck

1546
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:06,359
past the barn. So my grandpa wouldn't know that I

1547
01:30:06,399 --> 01:30:08,439
was sitting out there, because I know he'd came out

1548
01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:11,279
there with me. And that's you know, I cannot be

1549
01:30:11,359 --> 01:30:13,760
responsible for him being in the line of fire if anything,

1550
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:18,439
which you know what happened. But Uh, oh, man, it's

1551
01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:21,800
knowing that I'm I guess I'd call it the strain.

1552
01:30:22,359 --> 01:30:25,159
You know, our kids to come home too, man, and this,

1553
01:30:25,439 --> 01:30:28,319
you know, I just if I'm if I'm not here,

1554
01:30:28,359 --> 01:30:31,159
who protects them from things like that? I mean, I

1555
01:30:31,199 --> 01:30:33,720
don't have Dallas anymore. You don't have I don't have

1556
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:37,079
a I don't have dogs made of gold that I

1557
01:30:37,119 --> 01:30:39,239
know would give his life to protect me or my

1558
01:30:39,319 --> 01:30:44,760
kids anymore. It's just me. So's that's about it.

1559
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:48,640
Speaker 3: Man, I'm so sorry it's that way. Also, I really

1560
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:53,680
am sham Borzi's next question. They want to know, Kim,

1561
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:56,319
if you tried to rebuke it in Jesus' name.

1562
01:30:58,399 --> 01:31:03,960
Speaker 2: Well, you know, listen, this is something I'd go too

1563
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:07,880
far into. But I'm a man. I'm not religious anyway,

1564
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:10,720
I haven't been in years. Uh tried to be. I

1565
01:31:10,760 --> 01:31:15,039
grew up that way. You know. I lied to myself

1566
01:31:15,039 --> 01:31:17,399
for several years, telling myself I still was and I

1567
01:31:17,439 --> 01:31:19,119
was still with the lead, and I'm still this and

1568
01:31:19,119 --> 01:31:22,680
I still that. And uh yeah, my my family kind

1569
01:31:22,720 --> 01:31:25,319
of clutched their pearls at me when they, you know,

1570
01:31:25,359 --> 01:31:27,760
realized that I couldn't make myself believe anymore. You know,

1571
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:29,960
like there's a choice I had and I didn't believe

1572
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:32,920
anymore I could make myself do this. No I haven't. Uh,

1573
01:31:33,439 --> 01:31:37,640
I haven't done that. I have not h But you know,

1574
01:31:38,880 --> 01:31:40,520
if if there's a guy and here were to show

1575
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:44,840
up and uh and where this one up for me, yeah,

1576
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:48,560
i'd uh, yeah, I'd rebuke anything in his name to

1577
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:50,119
be honest. But no, I have not.

1578
01:31:53,680 --> 01:31:56,439
Speaker 3: All Right, I've got the second, the last question for you.

1579
01:31:57,319 --> 01:32:01,159
It's from Tiffany, and Tiffany wants to know. Have ever

1580
01:32:01,199 --> 01:32:04,359
thought about going out on your property, your grandfather's and

1581
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:07,880
just talking out loud a truth just for you and

1582
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:11,119
your family's sake. It's worth a shot. I'm praying for

1583
01:32:11,159 --> 01:32:14,600
you and your family. Kim. You know what, Tiffany, that's

1584
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:17,239
one of the frustrating things about this. That's one of

1585
01:32:17,239 --> 01:32:19,800
the reasons why I was laying in bed the night

1586
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:22,359
that Kim and I had that conversation about what's been

1587
01:32:22,399 --> 01:32:27,640
going on recently, about this recent encounter. Unfortunately, that wouldn't work.

1588
01:32:27,880 --> 01:32:30,960
That's advice I gave you in your situation, but that

1589
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:34,279
wouldn't work in his situation. Because this is a dog

1590
01:32:34,359 --> 01:32:39,239
man that's been shot twice in two different encounters, is

1591
01:32:39,279 --> 01:32:42,960
what I'm getting at the first time around, Tyler shot

1592
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:47,800
the dog man, and well Kim did too, but that

1593
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:52,319
happened when the first encounter took place, another encounter happened

1594
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:55,760
and it was shot again. So yeah, there's no going back.

1595
01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:58,319
There's no truce or anything like that with this thing.

1596
01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:03,920
It's not gonna stand down for that reason because Cam

1597
01:33:04,039 --> 01:33:07,920
goes out and asks for it too. It's going to

1598
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:11,159
stand down because it just decides to stand down if

1599
01:33:11,159 --> 01:33:13,920
that's the case, if it actually does that. So yeah,

1600
01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:16,239
that's one of the reasons why this is so frustrating

1601
01:33:16,279 --> 01:33:20,640
for me. Is just a frustrating no win situation. At

1602
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:24,920
every turn I was thinking about options. Every option I

1603
01:33:24,920 --> 01:33:28,000
could think up was just a no go. So that's

1604
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:31,920
why it's so difficult. The next question is the last

1605
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:34,960
one of the night. It's from Sham and Numinezer, and

1606
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:37,960
Shannon wants to know, are you still upset at your

1607
01:33:37,960 --> 01:33:40,079
friend for taking the first shot?

1608
01:33:41,159 --> 01:33:47,600
Speaker 2: No? Well, well, man, that that was like a trivial

1609
01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:51,680
thing at the point that would go and I'd say, well,

1610
01:33:51,720 --> 01:33:54,119
it's tallahand done and we wouldn't be here this or that,

1611
01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:58,880
But you know, think about it, just just think about it, right,

1612
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:04,000
I didn't. I didn't find VIC Channel until after all

1613
01:34:04,039 --> 01:34:07,600
this had happened. I would I probably still wouldn't have

1614
01:34:07,640 --> 01:34:09,800
told anybody this story if I hadn't found VIC Channel.

1615
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:18,600
But that being said, you know, we're here, we're talking

1616
01:34:18,600 --> 01:34:21,840
about dog Man right now, right this this is the

1617
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:26,000
topic of conversation. So this is something that's on our minds.

1618
01:34:26,039 --> 01:34:28,880
We're consciously aware of it, we're thinking of it. Just

1619
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:32,800
imagine you're not oblivious because like al I said, when

1620
01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:35,680
when when the dude stood up, I know exactly what

1621
01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:38,439
I was seeing, Like there was no it was it

1622
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:41,760
was still like, you know, like, oh my god. But

1623
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:44,760
there's no doubt I knew what I was looking at.

1624
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:49,359
But imagine being somebody who didn't think that, and you

1625
01:34:49,399 --> 01:34:55,560
see this like Tyler, like Tyler Thomer didn't know what

1626
01:34:55,600 --> 01:35:00,680
we were looking at, right like I you know, I mean,

1627
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:04,399
I guess he knew. But that's not something that you're

1628
01:35:05,199 --> 01:35:08,520
prepared to see or have a run in with or

1629
01:35:08,640 --> 01:35:11,119
you know, God for bt habit standing so close to

1630
01:35:11,199 --> 01:35:14,920
you staring it. I mean, man, that thing looked like

1631
01:35:14,960 --> 01:35:17,800
it like like we were pieces of meat. You know,

1632
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:25,119
there there's no there's no, there there's no there's no

1633
01:35:25,239 --> 01:35:29,119
humanity in those eyes. There's there's no there's no. You

1634
01:35:29,159 --> 01:35:32,479
don't look in there and and and see something that

1635
01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:35,760
you could communicate with, you don't. And those those eyes

1636
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:40,600
are they're not black, they're they're this weirdly yellowish ambrish color.

1637
01:35:40,760 --> 01:35:42,800
That's that's eerie as hell. And it grows on it

1638
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:46,439
that I mean, growth blows on its own. I mean

1639
01:35:46,479 --> 01:35:50,560
it's it's got to be almost eight feet tall, between

1640
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:55,199
seven and eight feet tall, big long arms, with hands

1641
01:35:55,199 --> 01:35:58,680
on the end of big claws, big teeth, dog like

1642
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:01,840
leg like his legs are cut. That's a that's you

1643
01:36:01,880 --> 01:36:05,479
know in movies as a kid. That's what scared me them,

1644
01:36:05,520 --> 01:36:06,800
not scared me, I mean it was the whole thing

1645
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:11,239
scared me. But those those feet, those those backwards, those

1646
01:36:11,279 --> 01:36:13,680
haunches or whatever whatever you want to hawk, what do

1647
01:36:13,680 --> 01:36:18,159
you wanna call them? That is really what what was that?

1648
01:36:18,199 --> 01:36:21,840
What's what creeped me out. But imagine being a person

1649
01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:26,600
who doesn't listen to dog Man Radio, who's just out

1650
01:36:26,680 --> 01:36:28,560
hunting with your friend, and all of a sudden you

1651
01:36:28,600 --> 01:36:32,960
were looking at a literal monster. What would you do?

1652
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:35,880
You know, you've got a gun, What would you do

1653
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:39,479
And you could say, oh, well, I wouldn't shoot because

1654
01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:42,199
it wouldn't be harm unless, yeah, Howard doesn't watch a

1655
01:36:42,199 --> 01:36:45,399
dog man encounters. Yet Howard did what he thought he

1656
01:36:45,439 --> 01:36:48,399
needed to do to keep bus state. And you know,

1657
01:36:48,520 --> 01:36:53,399
whether he was right or wrong, that's not that's not

1658
01:36:53,479 --> 01:37:00,239
really a moral question. It's it's a it's a you'd

1659
01:37:00,279 --> 01:37:03,880
have to ask somebody who knows about dog men to answer,

1660
01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:07,920
to have somebody answer that question, like, you know, Tyler

1661
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:11,600
wasn't prepared for that. I wasn't prepared for that, and I,

1662
01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:17,119
like I said, I mean, you know, it's just it's

1663
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:20,720
no I'm I'm I'm I'm definitely not mad at Tyler

1664
01:37:20,760 --> 01:37:25,399
because even if that thing wouldn't have harmed us, even

1665
01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:29,760
if it even if it played out to where, yeah,

1666
01:37:30,159 --> 01:37:31,880
he could have not shot it and we could have

1667
01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:34,199
walked out of there and I'd have still had my dog,

1668
01:37:34,239 --> 01:37:37,199
and man, yeah, that'd be lovely, that would be lovely,

1669
01:37:37,239 --> 01:37:41,279
but I would still be here in this same you know,

1670
01:37:41,359 --> 01:37:43,880
frame of mind of I can never bring my kids

1671
01:37:43,880 --> 01:37:48,199
out here again. This thing is there's a literal monster

1672
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:52,079
hanging around my grandparents' house, in this place where I've

1673
01:37:52,119 --> 01:37:55,920
run barefoot as a child until I got old enough

1674
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:57,600
to have a dirt bike and a go cart. And

1675
01:37:57,640 --> 01:37:59,439
you know, I mean me and my dogs were out here.

1676
01:37:59,479 --> 01:38:04,279
I mean that thing had no place there, none like his.

1677
01:38:04,479 --> 01:38:10,239
His presence was completely totally unwarranted, unwanted, and I mean

1678
01:38:10,399 --> 01:38:13,279
just unwelcome, like he That thing is not he's he is.

1679
01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:15,840
It may not seem like it. And I'm and I'm

1680
01:38:15,880 --> 01:38:19,039
not bragging on myself, but he's just as unstafe around

1681
01:38:19,079 --> 01:38:23,119
me as I am around there, and and and I'm

1682
01:38:23,159 --> 01:38:28,000
not gonna blame Tyler for that. That's he reacted as

1683
01:38:28,039 --> 01:38:31,600
a you know, I mean, Tyler's not the panicky type.

1684
01:38:32,239 --> 01:38:35,600
He was afraid. Yeah, but I'm telling you, man, Tyler

1685
01:38:35,640 --> 01:38:37,560
is one of those people when we're at work and

1686
01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:39,920
something needs to get done fast and there's like a

1687
01:38:40,039 --> 01:38:43,600
rush to do it, Tyler performs under pressure like That's

1688
01:38:43,640 --> 01:38:46,319
that's why we're friends. We have that about each other,

1689
01:38:46,399 --> 01:38:50,880
like you know. But no, no, no, I'm not gonna

1690
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:54,000
fault Tyler for doing I mean, if you see a

1691
01:38:54,039 --> 01:38:56,039
monster and you have you feel like you have the

1692
01:38:56,079 --> 01:38:59,680
ability to kill it, would you as a normal person,

1693
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:03,079
if you cut your experiences on dog man radio out

1694
01:39:03,319 --> 01:39:06,399
and say you'd never heard of it before. If you

1695
01:39:06,399 --> 01:39:09,079
were standing there in that field, in that pasture, in

1696
01:39:09,119 --> 01:39:13,880
our position to what would you do? Yes, it's fine.

1697
01:39:14,479 --> 01:39:17,840
Answer to the question is a question, Kim.

1698
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:22,279
Speaker 3: It's like this. Do I wish Tyler never would have

1699
01:39:22,319 --> 01:39:24,199
pulled the trigger on that dog man when you had

1700
01:39:24,199 --> 01:39:30,000
that first encounter, Yes, definitely. Do I think that Dallas

1701
01:39:30,000 --> 01:39:33,279
would still be here if Tyler wouldn't have shot that

1702
01:39:33,319 --> 01:39:36,119
dog man when you had that first encounter, Yes, I

1703
01:39:36,159 --> 01:39:40,560
do think Dallas would be here. I do totally understand

1704
01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:43,560
why he shot the dog man. I wish you wouldn't

1705
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:46,520
have done it, but I understand it. It's all too

1706
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:50,520
easy to sit here and armchair quarterback this from the

1707
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:53,520
comfort of your own home and you're not out there.

1708
01:39:53,439 --> 01:39:54,079
Speaker 2: With the thing.

1709
01:39:54,439 --> 01:39:56,640
Speaker 3: Of course it was a distance from you too, but

1710
01:39:57,279 --> 01:40:00,880
it's all too easy after the fact, armchair quarterback this.

1711
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:05,520
But what's done is done. That's water under the bridge.

1712
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:08,960
There's no going back and changing that. When you have

1713
01:40:09,119 --> 01:40:14,000
the second encounter, you shot it. I don't blame you.

1714
01:40:15,039 --> 01:40:18,720
I don't blame you for shooting a dog man, the

1715
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:22,680
dog man that had already been shot by both you

1716
01:40:22,760 --> 01:40:27,479
and Tyler on the previous encounter, or in the previous encounter,

1717
01:40:27,560 --> 01:40:31,520
I should say, you had already shot it. And with

1718
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:35,319
that in mind, you saw that dog man start walking

1719
01:40:35,399 --> 01:40:39,479
towards you. Well, you had history with that thing, and

1720
01:40:39,600 --> 01:40:43,319
a bad one too, so you had every reason to

1721
01:40:43,479 --> 01:40:48,520
believe that it was coming for you to take your life,

1722
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:52,880
because at one time, at one point during that first encounter,

1723
01:40:53,479 --> 01:40:55,920
it gave every indication it was about to take your

1724
01:40:55,960 --> 01:40:58,039
life when it was standing above you, when you woke

1725
01:40:58,119 --> 01:41:02,279
up and Dallas jumped in and saved you. So yeah,

1726
01:41:02,279 --> 01:41:06,000
when you had that second encounter, I wish the situation

1727
01:41:06,119 --> 01:41:07,840
would have been laid out so that you had to

1728
01:41:07,960 --> 01:41:11,079
fire on it. But I mean you were in control

1729
01:41:11,119 --> 01:41:14,319
of that it decided to approach you, to walk towards you,

1730
01:41:14,399 --> 01:41:17,640
and when it did, I normally tell people only shoot

1731
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:21,680
a dog man if you're convinced you're gonna die anyway. Well,

1732
01:41:21,680 --> 01:41:23,760
in your situation, I don't blame you at all for

1733
01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:25,520
shooting it that time.

1734
01:41:26,399 --> 01:41:31,479
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, when I'm so the you know,

1735
01:41:31,560 --> 01:41:34,079
the first I guess I was, I guess what I

1736
01:41:34,119 --> 01:41:35,600
was wrong, and I was gonna say, I'm gonna say, well,

1737
01:41:36,279 --> 01:41:38,760
you know why why did it come for me? You know?

1738
01:41:38,800 --> 01:41:41,039
When it when? It when it when he planked us,

1739
01:41:41,119 --> 01:41:43,039
right when he when he had tackled us, or when

1740
01:41:43,039 --> 01:41:46,159
he tackled me. I guess he can get all of us.

1741
01:41:46,239 --> 01:41:51,239
I was just the impact block that actually took the force,

1742
01:41:52,760 --> 01:41:55,520
you know. But he came after me, and I was

1743
01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:57,279
gonna say, why would he do that? Twer shot it.

1744
01:41:57,359 --> 01:42:01,079
I shot him too, But I guess, I guess I

1745
01:42:01,119 --> 01:42:03,560
didn't make any sense. I was going to ask him question.

1746
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:05,880
I already got the answer to you. But yeah, man,

1747
01:42:06,119 --> 01:42:16,359
you know, I absolutely you know, if I if I

1748
01:42:16,399 --> 01:42:19,199
hadn't you know, this is come weeks ago. Man, if

1749
01:42:19,239 --> 01:42:21,079
I hadn't shot him, I wouldn't be here telling y'all this.

1750
01:42:22,279 --> 01:42:25,159
Y'all have never heard another thing from me ever. I'd

1751
01:42:25,199 --> 01:42:28,720
have just been you know, cam from whatever episode I

1752
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:31,960
was on, and if any I don't even know if

1753
01:42:31,960 --> 01:42:34,600
anybody else would ever thought about me again or wondered, hey,

1754
01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:37,920
I wonder what happened to that guy, or you know whatever.

1755
01:42:38,359 --> 01:42:41,159
But yeah, I definitely I definitely didn't have a choice

1756
01:42:41,199 --> 01:42:43,520
the second time. I guess the first time we did

1757
01:42:43,640 --> 01:42:46,359
and I was on the way, I did I did

1758
01:42:47,000 --> 01:42:49,399
you know it was I swear on my light it

1759
01:42:49,479 --> 01:42:51,920
was coming out of my mouth. No, don't and he

1760
01:42:52,640 --> 01:42:56,279
let one rip. I mean I can't. I can't blame him.

1761
01:42:56,439 --> 01:43:00,560
But no, yeah, and you're you are right. I want

1762
01:43:00,600 --> 01:43:02,760
nothing more than to believe that you are right. That

1763
01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:07,079
you know, maybe maybe I still have my dog, you know,

1764
01:43:07,439 --> 01:43:12,880
or something that had happened. But the water under the bridge,

1765
01:43:13,079 --> 01:43:16,960
as you said, and uh, you know, take it and

1766
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:18,399
try it as it comes from it.

1767
01:43:19,960 --> 01:43:23,159
Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, that is water under the bridge. There's

1768
01:43:23,199 --> 01:43:25,159
no going back and changing that. All you can do

1769
01:43:25,239 --> 01:43:28,840
is just focus on what's before you win. Just do

1770
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:31,640
the best you can with the life you have, and

1771
01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:35,279
that's all there is to it. Well, Kim, like I

1772
01:43:35,319 --> 01:43:37,600
told you before, I can't thank you enough for coming

1773
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:39,600
back on to update this. I hope that was the

1774
01:43:39,680 --> 01:43:42,319
last experience you ever we have with one of these guys,

1775
01:43:42,720 --> 01:43:46,439
most notably that one. But if anything ever does happened

1776
01:43:46,439 --> 01:43:49,239
in the future, by all means, please let me know

1777
01:43:49,319 --> 01:43:52,399
if I can help you somehow some way, I definitely will,

1778
01:43:52,520 --> 01:43:54,359
so please keep that in mind.

1779
01:43:55,840 --> 01:43:59,439
Speaker 2: And you're the big first person to get the story itself,

1780
01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:03,600
and I hope I never have one to gain. Would

1781
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:05,279
love a reason to talk to you again, because man,

1782
01:44:05,319 --> 01:44:09,000
it's always pleasure. But I hope I don't again.

1783
01:44:09,880 --> 01:44:12,079
Speaker 3: Well that makes two of us. Yeah, I hope you

1784
01:44:12,119 --> 01:44:14,960
never do also, And of course it's always great talking

1785
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:17,640
with you, but just not about things like this because

1786
01:44:17,680 --> 01:44:20,560
no one should have to go through this. You really shouldn't.

1787
01:44:20,960 --> 01:44:23,439
But having said that, thanks again so much for your

1788
01:44:23,439 --> 01:44:25,439
time and I hope you have a great weekend.

1789
01:44:26,560 --> 01:44:28,359
Speaker 2: Also. Thanks appreciates time.

1790
01:44:29,279 --> 01:44:30,920
Speaker 3: You're welcome. We'll see you.

1791
01:44:35,159 --> 01:44:35,840
Speaker 2: Well. Everyone.

1792
01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:38,680
Speaker 3: Thanks again so much for tuning in and for supporting

1793
01:44:38,720 --> 01:44:41,760
these eyewitnesses the way you do. Like I've said countless times,

1794
01:44:41,800 --> 01:44:44,399
you'll never know how much of a difference it makes

1795
01:44:44,399 --> 01:44:47,960
in their lives. It really does help tremendously and for

1796
01:44:48,039 --> 01:44:51,720
that I can't thank you enough. Just one last reminder.

1797
01:44:51,800 --> 01:44:55,000
On Tuesday night, if you didn't hear before, there's going

1798
01:44:55,079 --> 01:44:57,439
to be a special bonus show where Code's going to

1799
01:44:57,479 --> 01:45:00,760
come on and talk about his most recent experiences with Sasha,

1800
01:45:01,199 --> 01:45:04,399
the female dog woman that has been paying him visits.

1801
01:45:05,239 --> 01:45:08,359
It's a case of this dog woman lives around his

1802
01:45:08,479 --> 01:45:12,600
property in almost on a nightly basis. If he doesn't

1803
01:45:12,600 --> 01:45:15,159
see her, then she does things to let him know

1804
01:45:15,239 --> 01:45:19,199
that she's around and after that next Friday, like I said,

1805
01:45:19,279 --> 01:45:21,960
Tiffany's going to come back on and she's going to

1806
01:45:21,960 --> 01:45:24,600
talk about her most recent experiences, and she's going to

1807
01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:26,920
have her daughter, her ten year old daughter with her.

1808
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:32,159
Her daughter had a very unfortunate experience that involved their dog,

1809
01:45:33,039 --> 01:45:37,399
them losing their dog in a very traumatic way, very

1810
01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:42,600
unfortunate way. I don't know if you notice a pattern here, unfortunately,

1811
01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:46,279
but they'll both be pre Friday night, like I said,

1812
01:45:46,279 --> 01:45:49,239
to talk about that experience, and Tiffany is going to

1813
01:45:49,319 --> 01:45:52,640
talk about that experience I mentioned earlier where those two

1814
01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:56,239
dogmen were fighting just feet from her. So of course

1815
01:45:56,279 --> 01:45:58,640
we hope you tune in for next Friday show as well.

1816
01:45:59,359 --> 01:46:02,319
But before we get out, if you've had a dogman encounter,

1817
01:46:02,520 --> 01:46:06,000
a dog me inciting, I should say that you'd like

1818
01:46:06,119 --> 01:46:08,560
to speak with me about to get help with or

1819
01:46:08,600 --> 01:46:10,199
if you'd like to come on the show and be

1820
01:46:10,279 --> 01:46:15,439
a guest, please go to dogmanencounters dot com submit a report,

1821
01:46:15,560 --> 01:46:17,720
and if you do that, I'll be more than happy

1822
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:20,479
to schedule a conversation with you so we can find

1823
01:46:20,520 --> 01:46:23,560
out about your encounter and have a good talk about it.

1824
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:26,720
But having said that, thanks again so much for listening in.

1825
01:46:27,399 --> 01:46:28,199
Have a great night.