1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:50,759 Speaker 1: You're listening to petlifradio dot com. 2 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 2: And welcome, Welcome on this great Sunday morning. You are 3 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,640 here live with doctor Jeff Werber on pet Life Radio's 4 00:00:33,679 --> 00:00:36,920 Ask the Bets with Doctor Jeff, and we want to 5 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:39,240 hear from you. It's a live show, the only live 6 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,799 show on pet Life Radio, and it doesn't pay to 7 00:00:41,799 --> 00:00:43,359 be here live. If you're not going to call in 8 00:00:43,719 --> 00:00:46,000 and ask us questions, you can either join in on 9 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,240 the conversation at petlifradio dot com. You can give us 10 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,200 a call at eight seven seven three eight five eight 11 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,280 eight eight two, but we find that it's better to 12 00:00:53,359 --> 00:00:56,280 join in the conversation, as Sarah has already done this morning. 13 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,159 We're gonna get to that question in just a bit, 14 00:00:58,479 --> 00:01:01,200 and once again want to thank ours sponsors, pro Sense 15 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,239 Pet Products, the verinary quality products that you can find 16 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,920 over the counter at partners like your local Walmart and 17 00:01:08,079 --> 00:01:12,200 Kong Toys. So we've been having a series going on 18 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,040 of late of different organ systems. We were talking about 19 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:16,879 the endocrine systems, and we told you that this week 20 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,319 we're going to take a little break because it's holiday time. 21 00:01:19,359 --> 00:01:23,040 It's gift time, and you know, when we think of gifts, 22 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:24,840 we don't think of the kind of gift that we're 23 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:26,680 going to talk about in just a second. And to 24 00:01:26,719 --> 00:01:28,439 help us do that, we have a very special guest, 25 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:32,200 doctor Danny Mcvieadie, a graduate of the Verninary School, University 26 00:01:32,239 --> 00:01:36,200 of Florida, and she and her partner Mary Gardner, have 27 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:39,159 come up with a service and it's a whole different 28 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,840 concept and it's really emerging and it's so new in 29 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,359 veterinary medicine. And as you know, she and I have 30 00:01:44,439 --> 00:01:47,079 discussed over the years something that I've been doing for 31 00:01:47,239 --> 00:01:51,840 years and yet it wasn't an accepted or known practice 32 00:01:51,879 --> 00:01:55,640 and it has become and doctor Danny and Mary started 33 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,319 a service and it's called Lap of Love and the 34 00:01:59,359 --> 00:02:02,159 gift they give is a little bit different than the 35 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,079 gifts that you and I might think about when we 36 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,040 think about our pets. And what's so interesting and why 37 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:11,000 holiday time is that it seems that they get very 38 00:02:11,039 --> 00:02:13,159 busy this time of year and it was so interesting. 39 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,439 I was talking recently on some of you know, and 40 00:02:15,479 --> 00:02:17,719 I've talked about it. In the last four weeks, I've 41 00:02:17,719 --> 00:02:20,960 had two of my cats down, had to say goodbye, 42 00:02:21,039 --> 00:02:23,360 and you know, very tough. One was eighteen and a half, 43 00:02:23,439 --> 00:02:25,319 you know, God bless him, eighteen and a half years old. 44 00:02:25,439 --> 00:02:27,680 I'll take that all day long. The other one, unfortunately, 45 00:02:27,719 --> 00:02:31,599 my Zoolander, had a congenital defect called renal laplacia, and 46 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,759 though he was only eleven, his kidneys were like nineteen 47 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,800 and that was really, really tough. But when I was 48 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:40,879 mentioning this to my associate doctor Gary Adams, he said, 49 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,400 he goes, oh, holiday time, and I go, what do 50 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,520 you mean. It's a trend and we're going to talk 51 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,599 about that right now. So Lap of Love is a 52 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,759 great service growing by leaps and bounds. They have offices 53 00:02:55,199 --> 00:02:57,719 pretty much now all over the country and they have 54 00:02:57,759 --> 00:03:00,759 a specialty, and their specialty is in home home hospice 55 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:04,759 and in home euthanasia. And here to help us discuss 56 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,960 this amazing gift is doctor Danny herself. Danny, how you 57 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:08,719 doing good? 58 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 3: Doctor Jeff, how you doing? 59 00:03:10,479 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 2: I'm doing okay? So tell me how did you go 60 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,719 from because I find this, as you know, we've spoken 61 00:03:15,759 --> 00:03:18,879 about this so fascinating. Where did you realize the need 62 00:03:19,319 --> 00:03:22,319 and how you can help people and pets in sort 63 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,319 of a less traditional way than the way I help 64 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,840 the pets out of the place don't come out well. 65 00:03:27,759 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 4: You know it is. 66 00:03:28,319 --> 00:03:30,159 Speaker 5: It's just like you said, it's something that you and 67 00:03:30,319 --> 00:03:32,919 veterinarians have been doing for generations, and now we've just 68 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:34,520 kind of started to accept it, you know, as our 69 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:37,039 dogs have gone and cats have gone from the barnyard 70 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,080 into quite literally our beds, you know, under our sheets, 71 00:03:40,159 --> 00:03:43,280 sometimes to the chagrin of spouses. But you know, our 72 00:03:43,319 --> 00:03:45,560 pets are becoming part of our lives and part of 73 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,360 our families, and as such, the service and level of 74 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,159 care that we give them is going to continue to 75 00:03:50,199 --> 00:03:53,639 evolve and change and grow. And I volunteered for Human 76 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,039 Hospice when I was in college, and it's just the 77 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:00,919 most amazing organization. The values that Human Hospice provides, the 78 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,680 acceptance of death and looking at death as the opposite 79 00:04:03,719 --> 00:04:06,039 of birth, not the opposite of life, as part of 80 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:09,360 the life system, that death is not the failure of medicine, 81 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,520 but it's a natural progression of biology. And getting into 82 00:04:12,599 --> 00:04:15,599 veterinary school and watching how sometimes you know, we shun 83 00:04:15,719 --> 00:04:18,439 away from this word euthanasia, even as doctors. We feel 84 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,480 like it's a failure on our part to have to euthanize. 85 00:04:21,560 --> 00:04:25,279 And just like you said, Jeff, the euthanasia is the 86 00:04:25,319 --> 00:04:28,279 greatest gift that we can give a pet when that 87 00:04:28,439 --> 00:04:31,560 time has come, is quite literally the greatest gift. And 88 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,279 then for veterinary hospice, we also look at the greatest 89 00:04:34,319 --> 00:04:36,399 gift that we can give the family, his ability to 90 00:04:36,439 --> 00:04:39,160 say goodbye and the most calm, loving, compassionate in home 91 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,439 end of life experience that quite literally medicine has to offer. 92 00:04:42,879 --> 00:04:45,120 And yes, that's what we're focused on, and that's what 93 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:46,879 we're dedicated to doing in providing. 94 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 2: You know, I were my first, and I share the 95 00:04:49,079 --> 00:04:51,560 story with you, but you know, my first experience in 96 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:54,800 home euthanasia was not planned, not at all. It was 97 00:04:54,879 --> 00:04:57,639 I got a call from an elderly woman who was 98 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,600 living alone. Her husband passed away a number of years earlier, 99 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,680 and she had this very very old German shepherd that 100 00:05:04,079 --> 00:05:06,319 was failing. Dog was about thirteen and a half, which 101 00:05:06,319 --> 00:05:08,680 first shepherd is, you know, is very old, and she 102 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,279 could not get this dog up. She couldn't. She'd had 103 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,879 no help, and she called me one morning in tears 104 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,839 because she knew it was time and her neighbor wasn't 105 00:05:17,879 --> 00:05:20,279 there anyone who can help her. She didn't have any grandchildren. 106 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,000 Or kids around to help her, and she felt helpless, 107 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:25,639 and I can hear it in her voice, and I 108 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,079 said to her, I said, you know what, let me 109 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:28,600 ask a question. If you can wait a few more 110 00:05:28,639 --> 00:05:31,000 hours and just sit with him, I'll come over to 111 00:05:31,079 --> 00:05:33,439 your house and I'll do it at your house. And 112 00:05:33,959 --> 00:05:37,360 she was so thankful and so appreciative. And I figured 113 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:38,879 this was going to be a one shot deal because 114 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,560 never before have I even considered going to someone's home 115 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:44,399 because I don't do house calls. I'm not a house 116 00:05:44,439 --> 00:05:47,199 called doc. I'm not equipped for this. And I went 117 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,040 over there and I kind of put together a bag 118 00:05:49,079 --> 00:05:51,120 of all the things I think I would need, and 119 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,079 you know, I felt like the old doctor country doc, 120 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:54,920 going over with my you know, the bag in my 121 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,879 hand and my doctor's bag and my stethoscope. And the 122 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,560 dog was lying on its bed, its favorite bed, and 123 00:06:00,759 --> 00:06:02,480 couldn't get up, you know, with the tail gave a 124 00:06:02,519 --> 00:06:05,240 couple of wags when he saw men. And I sat 125 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:07,160 down with the owner. First of all, we talked and 126 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:11,000 celebrated this dog's life, not so much mourning over the death, 127 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,879 but celebration over the life and how wonderful this dog 128 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,199 was for her when her husband passed away, and how 129 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,720 badly she did not want to see her dog suffer 130 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,560 unnecessarily knowing that it was his time. And we sat 131 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,680 there and we talked, and we reminisced, and I went 132 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,720 ahead and I gave the injection in the dog's favorite room, 133 00:06:28,959 --> 00:06:31,800 on his favorite bed, with his favorite person with him, 134 00:06:32,079 --> 00:06:35,160 his mom. And it was the most amazing experience for 135 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,480 me as well. And as I drove away, and I 136 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,240 took the dog with me and I wrapped him up 137 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:40,639 in a blanket and I put him in the back 138 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,480 of my car to bring it to my office and 139 00:06:42,519 --> 00:06:45,519 we had him cremated. I thought to myself, Oh my god, 140 00:06:45,879 --> 00:06:49,439 this was amazing. This is the way it should be now. 141 00:06:49,759 --> 00:06:52,199 I often joke I get more tongue than anybody I know. 142 00:06:52,519 --> 00:06:56,279 My patients love me, and yet even though they still 143 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,480 know they're coming to the vet, they still have smells, 144 00:06:58,519 --> 00:07:01,480 they might have anxiety, be a shot. Yeah, they love me, 145 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,279 but they may not always love the experience. Why should 146 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,759 that be their last memory? And when I heard what 147 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,639 you guys do, I was so impressed. But a couple 148 00:07:09,639 --> 00:07:11,800 of people have mentioned, and even you have mentioned, like, 149 00:07:11,839 --> 00:07:14,319 oh my god, it's holiday time. What is it about 150 00:07:14,319 --> 00:07:17,199 the holidays that seems to have you guys even busier? 151 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, And it's a very interesting thing that as veterinarians, 152 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,079 we you know, we will go around and around and 153 00:07:22,079 --> 00:07:23,759 around like what is it? You know, why is there 154 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:25,759 this big kind of there seems to be a rush 155 00:07:25,759 --> 00:07:28,639 before and then on the actual Christmas Day or Thanksgiving 156 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:30,839 Day it's very you know, there're not many people are 157 00:07:30,839 --> 00:07:34,079 gonna request that, and then right after it's a huge rush. 158 00:07:34,079 --> 00:07:36,360 And I think it's it's a combination of many, many 159 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,079 different things based on the family's personalities just in general. 160 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,519 And one of them would be, Okay, you know, son, 161 00:07:41,839 --> 00:07:44,199 daughter come in from out of town. They haven't seen 162 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,519 their childhood pet in nine months, and they come back like. 163 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 3: Mom, Dad, what are you doing? 164 00:07:49,439 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 5: How don't you see the fluffies loss like forty five 165 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,759 pounds in the past, you know, three months, But mom 166 00:07:54,759 --> 00:07:57,439 and dad don't see it because they see fluffy every day, right, 167 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,360 so they don't see that. In natural progression, they come 168 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,399 home and all the sudden it's like, oh my gosh, 169 00:08:01,399 --> 00:08:03,680 we have to do something about this, or vice versa. 170 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,800 You know, mom and dad think we've got to do 171 00:08:05,839 --> 00:08:08,319 something Fluffy's getting you know, really bad, and son or 172 00:08:08,399 --> 00:08:10,360 daughter want to wait until they get there to see 173 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:12,759 to say their last goodbyes. And then they get there 174 00:08:12,879 --> 00:08:14,720 and all of a sudden, like, no, what are you doing? 175 00:08:14,759 --> 00:08:17,160 You can't do it yet, not yet, not yet. But 176 00:08:17,199 --> 00:08:19,160 then another couple of days go by, and then son 177 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,040 and daughter see what mom and dad have been seeing, 178 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:22,920 and then all of a sudden we make that decision. 179 00:08:22,959 --> 00:08:24,519 But I do think it has a lot to do 180 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,439 with the families being around and being together, and just 181 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:29,000 like you said, we go into those homes and we 182 00:08:29,079 --> 00:08:32,600 celebrate the life for a family to be there with 183 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,720 their pet, their childhood, you know, literally family member is it's. 184 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 3: The best experience that it can be. I think a 185 00:08:38,759 --> 00:08:39,120 lot of it. 186 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,840 Speaker 5: And it's very very interesting because, you know, as a veterinarian, 187 00:08:41,879 --> 00:08:43,840 we get this question. This is this question is only 188 00:08:43,919 --> 00:08:46,679 presented when the family actually has the for lack of 189 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:48,559 a better term, kind of the guts to ask. But 190 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:51,279 they think that, Okay, I have to leave for a week. 191 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:52,759 I have to go out of town for a week. 192 00:08:52,919 --> 00:08:54,840 But my thirteen year old labrador that can't get up 193 00:08:54,879 --> 00:08:56,519 and move around anymore, I don't want my neighbor would 194 00:08:56,519 --> 00:08:58,440 have to come over and deal with this, what if 195 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:00,559 something happens while I'm gone, And you have to give 196 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,159 them permission guidance as veterinarians on what. 197 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,759 Speaker 3: Is the best for that pet, you know, because. 198 00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 5: There is an ad and level of anxiety when mom 199 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:08,879 and dad aren't there for the animal. 200 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 2: Well, you made a really good point, and that is 201 00:09:10,399 --> 00:09:13,440 and I find that sometimes we need, or people in 202 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:18,519 that physician need that reinforcement that what they're doing is okay. 203 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,279 They want to hear it from somebody else. Interestingly, And 204 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,320 I've had an absolutely last night, a Saturday night. Men 205 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:25,879 people are going out and having fun or going to 206 00:09:25,919 --> 00:09:28,159 see movies or going out to have dinner. And I 207 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,320 was in someone's home putting their cat to sleep. And one, 208 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:33,600 I mean, we knew. I did a house call for 209 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,519 this cat because this cat gets really, really really freaked 210 00:09:36,519 --> 00:09:38,840 out when it goes to the vet. And so I 211 00:09:38,919 --> 00:09:40,879 was there actually earlier in the week to take blood 212 00:09:40,879 --> 00:09:43,399 and urine so we could because I felt that this 213 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:46,960 cat was having it, it was time and obviously we 214 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:48,960 needed the confirmation. So I took the blood and sure 215 00:09:49,039 --> 00:09:51,320 enough it came back as severe kidney failure and I 216 00:09:51,399 --> 00:09:53,120 told them basically what was going to happen, and it 217 00:09:53,159 --> 00:09:55,600 was going to happen soon, and they were about to 218 00:09:55,639 --> 00:09:58,960 move actually this Tuesday, and they were so worried already 219 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,039 about the affair that this move is going to have 220 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,799 on this cat, and they just needed that help to 221 00:10:03,799 --> 00:10:05,960 make the decision. And I think your point, and it's 222 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,720 interesting when I talk to my associate, who is just 223 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,440 practical as they come. That was his point. He says, 224 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,360 you know, the kids are coming home, families coming over, 225 00:10:13,639 --> 00:10:16,480 and they are seeing what we don't see because we're 226 00:10:16,519 --> 00:10:19,840 there every day. And you know, that's why interesting that 227 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,080 having made the mistake I think, and I've heard this 228 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:26,320 said often. I'm sure you know doctor Alice the Lobos, 229 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:28,639 who does a lot of this as well, the hospice 230 00:10:28,639 --> 00:10:32,480 and home care. She said that you can easily make 231 00:10:32,519 --> 00:10:35,840 the mistake of waiting a two or three days too long, 232 00:10:36,519 --> 00:10:38,759 but you can't make the mistake of doing it two 233 00:10:38,799 --> 00:10:41,840 to three days too early, because what is two days 234 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:43,399 when you look at the life of that pet, When 235 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,000 you look at the thirteen, fifteen, eighteen, nineteen years, what 236 00:10:46,159 --> 00:10:46,799 is three days? 237 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:48,759 Speaker 5: And you've seen it too, You've worked with families so 238 00:10:48,879 --> 00:10:51,919 long I have never, not one time and the thousands 239 00:10:51,919 --> 00:10:54,120 of families that I've helped, ever had someone say I 240 00:10:54,159 --> 00:10:56,679 am so concerned. I feel so guilty that I did 241 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:57,279 it too soon. 242 00:10:57,759 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 3: It's always the other way. 243 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:02,919 Speaker 5: I feel so guilty that I wait because you put 244 00:11:02,919 --> 00:11:05,799 them through suffering that they didn't have. Was that famous quote, 245 00:11:05,799 --> 00:11:07,840 I'd rather help a friend a minute too early than 246 00:11:07,879 --> 00:11:08,639 a second too late. 247 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, there's needing that reinforcement and the 248 00:11:12,519 --> 00:11:14,919 gift of knowing that it's okay, it's okay. 249 00:11:15,159 --> 00:11:16,399 Speaker 5: And we even say, you know, if you want to 250 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,159 wait until the very very very last moment, knowing that 251 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,120 you absolutely have to eke out every single, every single 252 00:11:22,159 --> 00:11:24,600 second with your pet, you must understand that you're risking 253 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:28,519 emergency situation. But if you want to guarantee the most peaceful, calm, loving, 254 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,000 compassionate experience that medicine has to offer, that's what we 255 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:33,080 do and that's. 256 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 3: What we can do. 257 00:11:33,879 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 2: And we're going to break here for a second. We 258 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:36,799 want to come back out, so we want to talk 259 00:11:36,799 --> 00:11:38,679 about some of the hospice things that you do, and 260 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,480 then we also have to get a question or two 261 00:11:40,519 --> 00:11:42,879 in from one of our listeners. If you have anything 262 00:11:42,919 --> 00:11:46,080 you want to ask talk question about the process, about 263 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,440 euthanasia itself, what your fears are concerned are, Go ahead 264 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,600 and log into petlife radio dot com to ask the 265 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,879 vets with doctor Jeff tab And right there you're going 266 00:11:54,919 --> 00:11:57,120 to see a little box that says join the conversation. 267 00:11:57,279 --> 00:12:00,200 As Sarah already did, go ahead and join us. Pype 268 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,440 in your question. Between the two of us, we will 269 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:06,279 get that answered, So please stay tuned. 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Come on 308 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,639 down and join us. I'm looking forward to answering your 309 00:14:27,679 --> 00:14:28,480 questions on a. 310 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: Life again every week only on petlifradio dot com. 311 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,799 Speaker 8: Let's talk past it, Let's talk petal life Radio, Heat Life. 312 00:14:40,679 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 7: Radio, pet live radio dot com. 313 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 2: And welcome back. You are here live with me doctor 314 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,960 Jeff Werber and my special guest, doctor Dan mcfady of 315 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,360 Lap of Love, veterinan hospice and in home euthanasia. And 316 00:15:11,519 --> 00:15:13,919 you know, before the break, we were just talking about 317 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,360 the process and about the fears that many people have 318 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,200 about it, and veterinarians. It's like such an unspoken concept. 319 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,559 Nobody likes to talk about it, and yet I just 320 00:15:23,639 --> 00:15:25,720 have to read I just got a holiday card from 321 00:15:25,759 --> 00:15:29,759 a client family that I put their doctors sleep in 322 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,120 their home, took care of their dog for many many years. 323 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,240 And you know, you read these and you realize just 324 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:39,240 how special this time is for not I mean certainly 325 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,480 for the family, of course, for the pet. It is 326 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:42,840 a gift. And let me just read this to you. 327 00:15:42,919 --> 00:15:45,279 It goes dear doctor Werber again, thank you is not 328 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,960 enough for your kindness, caring and generosity. We really really 329 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,919 appreciate what you did for Macy. We love you. You 330 00:15:52,039 --> 00:15:55,159 know you are vet forever. I mean, how cool is that? 331 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:56,559 And what kind of things? 332 00:15:56,759 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 8: You know? 333 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 2: Who sends a thank you note when you give a shot, 334 00:16:00,679 --> 00:16:02,720 when you do an amazing they go home after the spade. 335 00:16:03,039 --> 00:16:04,919 We don't get thank you notes for that, but go 336 00:16:05,039 --> 00:16:07,840 to their home and put their pet to sleep with 337 00:16:07,919 --> 00:16:11,919 compassion and kindness. And it's a different experience. And these 338 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,159 are the notes I get them all the time. It 339 00:16:14,279 --> 00:16:17,279 is unbelievable that your experience must be the same, isn't it? 340 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:17,919 Speaker 3: Oh the same thing? 341 00:16:18,039 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 5: And and you know, I mean as veterinarians, we talk 342 00:16:20,039 --> 00:16:21,600 about it all the time that you don't get the 343 00:16:21,639 --> 00:16:24,039 thank you cards for the two o'clock c section that 344 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:25,840 you did. And you're so proud of yourself that you 345 00:16:25,879 --> 00:16:28,679 can't believe you saved every puppy in there. You did 346 00:16:28,679 --> 00:16:32,159 this most amazing, incredible orthopedic implant that you just you 347 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:33,600 just learned it at school. 348 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 3: Or some conference. You know, this amazing thing that it's 349 00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:38,840 us is incredible. You don't always get a thank you 350 00:16:38,919 --> 00:16:40,159 card for that, and even of course. 351 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,919 Speaker 5: The families are thankful, but they expect you to do that, right, 352 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,480 that's expected. But when you give that family an emotional hug, 353 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:50,200 when you're there with them with compassion and love and empathy, 354 00:16:50,279 --> 00:16:52,600 and when you share those special moments with them in 355 00:16:52,639 --> 00:16:55,360 a way that they don't expect, that's when you gain 356 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,759 that rapport. And that's when you touch them in a 357 00:16:57,759 --> 00:16:59,279 way that they don't expect. 358 00:16:59,519 --> 00:16:59,919 Speaker 3: To beat it. 359 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 2: And also, so we talked about for and I totally agree. 360 00:17:03,559 --> 00:17:04,920 I want to talk about it for a second about 361 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,400 hospice because you know, when my mom was in hospice 362 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,039 before she passed, and you know, I know what it 363 00:17:09,079 --> 00:17:11,160 was like, and it was a very long, you know, 364 00:17:11,279 --> 00:17:13,680 dragged out kind of concept. I mean, she used to 365 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:15,599 joke all the time that, you know, when when she 366 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,559 got to the point that I should bring home that 367 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:19,519 pink juice, which is we know what that pink juice is. 368 00:17:19,559 --> 00:17:22,519 It's the euthanasia solution. Obviously, you know, even though now 369 00:17:22,519 --> 00:17:24,920 it's legal in some states, it's not here in California. 370 00:17:25,039 --> 00:17:27,039 And plus I would do that anyway. But the key 371 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,759 is tell us about hospice for pets, how it's different, 372 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:32,640 what is the goal, et cetera. 373 00:17:33,079 --> 00:17:35,519 Speaker 5: So a hospice in general, just as a medical term, 374 00:17:35,599 --> 00:17:40,359 is palliative care, and palliative means comfort oriented, not curative. 375 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,240 So the difference is, Okay, now you know we are 376 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:44,839 going to be managing symptoms. 377 00:17:44,839 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 3: So let's say Kat with renal failure. 378 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 5: You know, we're not really doing things that are trying 379 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,039 to reverse that renal failure. Or let's take a better example, 380 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,920 you know, bone cancer something like that. We're not trying 381 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:57,759 to cure the bone cancer. We're managing the symptoms that 382 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:02,440 affect the pet such that quality of life is improved. 383 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,799 So that's what palliative care is. And in human medicine, obviously, 384 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:08,079 just like you said, we don't have the availability of 385 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,160 euthanasia in the same capacity that we do in veterinary medicine, 386 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:15,160 and so that veterinarian hospice is not inclusive of euthanasia, 387 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,920 but it's something that we it's a way of looking 388 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:22,440 at the case via comfort oriented measures until the family elects. 389 00:18:22,039 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 3: The euthanasia process. 390 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:26,599 Speaker 5: Basically, So that is what veterinarian hospice is and and 391 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,119 you know what we do and this this kind of 392 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:30,599 goes for really all aspects of life. But when we're 393 00:18:30,599 --> 00:18:33,759 looking at veterinary hospice and helping the family evaluate quality 394 00:18:33,759 --> 00:18:35,839 of life and how we can improve quality of life, 395 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,839 just like human hospice does, we look at the four budgets. 396 00:18:38,839 --> 00:18:40,359 And this is how I explain it to the families 397 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,160 that that we help as well. Everyone understands financial budget, 398 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:45,079 you know, that's an obvious budget, but we also have 399 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,359 the emotional budget, you know, I mean sometimes we are 400 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,799 emotionally drained and we're allowed to have that physically drained 401 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:53,920 you physically, just like that family that couldn't get the 402 00:18:54,039 --> 00:18:56,440 hundred pound you know, German shepherd up you physically, you 403 00:18:56,519 --> 00:18:58,960 have a budget. You can't get that pet up to 404 00:18:59,039 --> 00:19:01,279 go to the clinic, to go outside for the bathroom, 405 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,279 you know, things that would otherwise keep that pet perhaps 406 00:19:04,279 --> 00:19:06,119 a little bit more comfortable. And then of course the 407 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,400 time budget as well. You know, we don't always have 408 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:13,000 the availability of intensive nursing care for our pets again 409 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:15,359 in the same capacity, in the same way. So we 410 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,519 talked about those four budgets when evaluate quality of life. 411 00:19:17,519 --> 00:19:19,960 How can we manage the symptoms of the pet until 412 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,720 the family elects euthanasy or a natural death occurs, you know, 413 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:25,200 of course as well. So it's not about extending suffering. 414 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:27,920 I think that that's a common misnomer that veterinary hospice 415 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,759 is about extending suffering and bet that should otherwise be euthanized. 416 00:19:31,079 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 3: But it's not at all. It's not at all. It's 417 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:33,720 about you know. 418 00:19:33,799 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 5: And Jeff, you let me share you a story real quick. 419 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,039 I was doing emergency medicine, so when I first got 420 00:19:38,079 --> 00:19:39,960 out of veterinary school, within a couple of months I 421 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,279 started Lap of Love, but I did emergency medicine. In 422 00:19:42,279 --> 00:19:44,759 the day that I knew that there was a place 423 00:19:44,759 --> 00:19:47,039 for veterinarian hospice, it was about eight pm and an 424 00:19:47,079 --> 00:19:49,920 old woman came in with her cat, and she had 425 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:51,000 about nineteen year old cat. 426 00:19:51,079 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 3: The cat was dying of renal failure. 427 00:19:53,839 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 5: You know. I told her, I said, you know, your 428 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,279 cat is literally dying and the process of death has 429 00:19:58,319 --> 00:19:59,200 already started. 430 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:00,759 Speaker 3: And I talked. 431 00:20:00,519 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 5: To her, you know, at great length about the quality 432 00:20:02,759 --> 00:20:04,400 of life and about what we could do and what 433 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,240 we couldn't do, and she just did not want the 434 00:20:06,279 --> 00:20:08,880 cat euthanized. And then finally, towards the end of the conversation, 435 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,759 she said that her two other cats had died that 436 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:12,519 exact same day for the past. 437 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 3: Two years in a row. 438 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,799 Speaker 5: I mean, imagine that, and that's why she didn't want 439 00:20:15,799 --> 00:20:17,359 that cat euthanized on that dead. 440 00:20:17,519 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 3: This was again at eight pm, so we. 441 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:21,559 Speaker 5: Discussed it, and she would rather the cat die of 442 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:24,799 natural causes instead of euthanasia. And at this point, you know, 443 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,759 based on the cat, it really was time to alleviate 444 00:20:27,759 --> 00:20:29,599 the suffering. I mean, that's in our veterinary oath is 445 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,160 the relief and prevention of pain and suffering. So long 446 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,839 story short, she was beside herself with the idea of euthanasia. 447 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 3: So I set her up. 448 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 5: We did pain medicine for the cat, a heating pad, 449 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:41,880 some fluids. We made this cat as comfortable as could 450 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,519 possibly be, and I told her at twelve oh. 451 00:20:43,519 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 3: One, I'll be coming in. We're going to euthanize, and 452 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:46,000 she was good with that. 453 00:20:46,039 --> 00:20:49,559 Speaker 5: And she sat there for four hours and loved on 454 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,279 her pet and read magazines and talked to. 455 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,319 Speaker 3: Her and everything, and it was it was amazing. 456 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 5: A twelve o one, I walked in and we euthanized, 457 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:57,920 and she gave a big hug. And when I gave 458 00:20:57,920 --> 00:20:59,079 her a hug, I said, you want me to call 459 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:00,640 you a cab. I know, this is really tough time. 460 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,480 She looked at me and she said, no, that time 461 00:21:02,559 --> 00:21:04,960 was exactly what I needed. So to me, that's one 462 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,279 of the most perfect examples of time. And whether that 463 00:21:07,279 --> 00:21:09,519 that's four hours, or it's four days, or it's waiting 464 00:21:09,559 --> 00:21:11,640 till the son or daughter come back in town, or 465 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,079 the spousekets back in town, whatever it is, it's that 466 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,920 time that she needed to come to terms with the 467 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,400 process that was happening and the availability and utilization of 468 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,000 euthanasia at a very appropriate time. 469 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 2: You know, it's an interesting you say that. I for 470 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:30,000 years have talked to younger veterinarians, talked to my associates 471 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,720 and clients. I'm saying, you understand that at this time, 472 00:21:34,079 --> 00:21:38,000 Bowser's ready, so we're treating you, and that's okay, I said, 473 00:21:38,039 --> 00:21:40,599 I often, it's got to be that you have to 474 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:44,359 have that emotional readiness. You have to be prepared, and 475 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,240 what you don't want is anyone kicked themselves in the butt. 476 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,319 A year later, two years later, and saying only if 477 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,319 I would, only if I should have tried, you know, 478 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,319 And so oftentimes I will let an owner know that 479 00:21:56,519 --> 00:21:58,680 if you said to me you're ready, I'm ready. I 480 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,599 don't think the pet is suffering, but this is what 481 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,240 we need to do because I want to make sure 482 00:22:02,279 --> 00:22:05,640 you're ready. And then in essence, what I'm doing is hospice. 483 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,559 I'm giving the fluids, I'm giving the pain medication. We're 484 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:11,839 just as you mentioned, it's palliative. It's just to soothe 485 00:22:12,319 --> 00:22:15,960 the pet, to minimize any kind of discomfort, to minimize 486 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,759 or remove any kind of pain, and until we get 487 00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:21,400 to that point where the owner is ready, where they're 488 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,119 comfortable with their decision, because man, guilt is the worst thing. 489 00:22:25,319 --> 00:22:28,519 And by the way, guilt goes both ways in the 490 00:22:28,599 --> 00:22:32,039 sense that I once before, which I mean you learn 491 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,039 from it when I have to make the decision. Recently 492 00:22:34,039 --> 00:22:35,920 was Zulander. By the way, if you guys want to 493 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,039 go to my Facebook page to doctor Jeff Werber, I 494 00:22:38,079 --> 00:22:41,440 wrote a tribute about Zulander, about my cat, who was 495 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,640 the most magnificent cat on the planet. But the reason 496 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,000 why I knew when it was time and I did 497 00:22:47,039 --> 00:22:51,480 not wait was because my old cat before that, several 498 00:22:51,559 --> 00:22:54,039 years ago, is a cat named Sushi, this oriental short hair. 499 00:22:54,039 --> 00:22:56,720 We had Sushi and Sake. We had two oriental short hairs, 500 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,000 and it was time for Sushi. But we kept in. 501 00:22:59,079 --> 00:23:01,799 Every time you're treating a cat, you're treating a dog 502 00:23:01,839 --> 00:23:05,160 and they have a good day, our natural response is, 503 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,559 oh my god, we're onto something. Let's keep going, let's 504 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,119 keep going. No, no, no, no, it was a good day. 505 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,400 We all have good days, we all have bad days. 506 00:23:12,599 --> 00:23:15,680 It was time. And when we finally said goodbye, we 507 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,759 all looked at each other, and my son especially and 508 00:23:17,759 --> 00:23:20,920 he goes, Dad, we waited too long, and oh my god, 509 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,759 did that affect me it? And he's right. He was 510 00:23:23,799 --> 00:23:26,119 one hundred percent right. And you realize you get more 511 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:29,200 philosophical the more of these you do, the more you see, 512 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,440 the more pets you have. You know you're going to 513 00:23:31,519 --> 00:23:34,319 lose the battle anyway, So why wait until you actually 514 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,480 lost it? Why not say goodbye when it's time, When 515 00:23:37,519 --> 00:23:39,880 you notice and you know there's no way to win 516 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,960 this one, gather together as a fan, talk about it, 517 00:23:43,039 --> 00:23:44,599 and you do the right thing, and you. 518 00:23:44,519 --> 00:23:46,799 Speaker 5: Know, and there's a trend, Jeff that I started seeing 519 00:23:46,839 --> 00:23:49,759 probably about a year or so into the veterinary hospice practice, 520 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,400 is that the families that are going through it for 521 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,839 the first time, so this is the first time that 522 00:23:54,839 --> 00:23:58,000 they're going through the end of life decision making process 523 00:23:58,079 --> 00:24:01,640 for one of their pets, they tend to wait too long. 524 00:24:01,839 --> 00:24:06,519 And that's not my opinion, that's their opinion of the experience. 525 00:24:06,839 --> 00:24:09,480 After it's said and done, they tell me, I waited 526 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,039 too long, just like your son said. 527 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:12,319 Speaker 3: And it's interesting and that. 528 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:13,839 Speaker 5: That's now one of the first questions that I ask 529 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:15,960 the families when we go into any type of hospice 530 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,799 or euthanasia service at all, it's one of the first 531 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,599 questions that I ask is have you ever been through 532 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:22,359 this before? Because if they haven't, I will tell them 533 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,279 that I said, you know, it has been a very 534 00:24:24,319 --> 00:24:26,519 common trend that if it is the first time, they 535 00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:28,559 tend to wait too long. And that's what families tell 536 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,079 me afterwards. It's like it's almost like you're waiting for 537 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,599 that written note from your pet saying okay, Mom, okay, Dad, 538 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,559 I'm ready now, you know, but you're not going to 539 00:24:35,599 --> 00:24:37,640 get that. You know, You're just not going to get 540 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,880 that written letter from your pets saying okay, I'm ready, 541 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:45,079 And instead we have the responsibility as pet parents, as owners, 542 00:24:45,079 --> 00:24:47,440 you know, whatever we identify ourselves with, we have that 543 00:24:47,519 --> 00:24:51,640 responsibility to make that decision not just based on stopping 544 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,319 suffering that's occurring at the moment. You know, I love 545 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,039 when people call me and say he's not suffering yet. 546 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,680 My next statement is always, but do you want him 547 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,119 to be? Let's not only stop suffering it's occurring at 548 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,480 the moment, but prevent it from occurring at all. And 549 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,599 in our veterinari Oath it says the relief and prevention 550 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,200 right of pain and suffering, so we can we can 551 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,720 say goodbye on a good day. And yes, you need 552 00:25:11,759 --> 00:25:14,200 to know how to handle that guilt as a pet parent, 553 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,920 and as veterinarians, we go through that ourselves, you know, 554 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,440 we go through that guilt or process the guilt and 555 00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:22,079 handle the guilt of pushing a plunger and assisting in 556 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,559 the death of alive being. We all, all us veterinarians, 557 00:25:25,599 --> 00:25:26,880 have had to work through that and we all have 558 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,559 our ways as pet parents. Is different because you feel 559 00:25:29,599 --> 00:25:31,359 like you've made the decision, and if you make. 560 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,440 Speaker 3: It on a good day, and I when families. 561 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 5: Say, but it's a good day, I don't know what 562 00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:36,440 I should do say, you know, but what a way 563 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,799 to go though. I think it's wonderful to have a 564 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,640 wonderful day and to then say goodbye in the best 565 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,880 way we can possibly, you know, and make that be 566 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,480 a experience and a loving experience instead of one that 567 00:25:46,519 --> 00:25:48,400 we're rushing to do and then regret that they had 568 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:49,680 to go through suffering in the first place. 569 00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 2: Right, that's so interesting. It's so you know when I 570 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,480 talk to a lot of people and the hero on 571 00:25:53,559 --> 00:25:55,400 veterinarian and I'm sure you've gone through the same thing. 572 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,440 Oh god, you know, I always want when i'm kid, 573 00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:58,599 I want to be a veterinarian, but I don't know 574 00:25:58,599 --> 00:26:00,000 if I can. How do you put them to slay? 575 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,319 And you know, when you have these experiences and you 576 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:05,920 really see, as I call it the beauty of euthanasia, 577 00:26:06,039 --> 00:26:10,480 the gift of euthanasia, you realize how wonderful you are 578 00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:13,920 to that pet, and it really does it's such justification 579 00:26:14,319 --> 00:26:15,960 for you know. It's it's always hard. And I tell 580 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,680 the owner, it's going to be difficult for you, whether 581 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,559 we do it today or I do it next week. 582 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,000 That's a gimme. But why should the pet have to 583 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,279 wait that week when right now here's ready. 584 00:26:24,559 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 5: And you know, euthanasia literally means good death rights. That's 585 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,079 what euthanasia means. You know, it is euthanasia, which is 586 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,839 good death. And that's what we're priding. That's what it is, 587 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:36,680 and it is it's the most It's the greatest gift 588 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,720 that we can give that pet, and the relief of 589 00:26:38,759 --> 00:26:41,680 that guilt or the assistance with that decision is the 590 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,559 greatest gift that we give the family. And it is 591 00:26:43,599 --> 00:26:46,359 and everybody says it, Jeff, I mean, every veterinary, this 592 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:48,319 must be the hardest thing you have to do. 593 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 3: And this is all that I do right. I choose 594 00:26:51,079 --> 00:26:51,759 to do this. 595 00:26:51,759 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 5: This is my choice to do this right, and not 596 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,960 only to do it, but to teach other veterinarians how 597 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,000 to do it also. So yeah, whenever they say that, 598 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,720 if ever, of course, every single family I help says 599 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:03,400 you must hate doing this, I always look at them 600 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,559 straight in the eye. So this is an honor to 601 00:27:05,599 --> 00:27:08,200 be here with you, because you will never forget any 602 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,839 moment of this appointment. I don't forget any moment of 603 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,720 the times that I've had to euthanize my own pets. 604 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,880 I lose pets two. I'm a pet mom too, and 605 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,640 I don't forget it as a single second. And for 606 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,160 me to be part of that memory with those families 607 00:27:20,279 --> 00:27:22,799 is an honor, of flat out honor. It's not something 608 00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:24,960 I pred them that doesn't happen. It comes with a 609 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,319 great deal of respect for what we do as doctors 610 00:27:27,559 --> 00:27:28,440 and what it means. 611 00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:31,319 Speaker 2: Well, I totally agree, and I thank you so much 612 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,119 for joining us there. Our time is up. It goes 613 00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,759 so fast. If anyone has any questions for doctor Danny 614 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,640 Orby or anything about this subject, please go ahead and 615 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:43,240 send me an email to DRJF Doctor Jeff at petliferadio 616 00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:45,480 dot com. You can also call us here at eight 617 00:27:45,559 --> 00:27:48,279 seven seven three eight five eight eight eight two, and 618 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,519 real quick before we go, because I know our time 619 00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:53,839 is up. Sarah asked you about acid reflux in a 620 00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:56,440 Golden Doodle and the do they get acid reflex And 621 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,960 the answer is absolutely And it usually happens when or 622 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,440 sometime when they have an empty stomach, sometimes the middle 623 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,920 of the night, early morning, late late night. They'll spit 624 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,440 up flammor bio. They'll they'll lick their lips, they feel nauseous, 625 00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:11,279 and a couple of simple solutions. Number one, feed a 626 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:13,799 late night snack before you go to bed, save about 627 00:28:13,839 --> 00:28:15,920 a third or a quarter of dinner till about ten 628 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,319 o'clock at night. Give it late so there's something in 629 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,319 the stomach as they go to bed. You can also 630 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,640 put them on a simple like a pepsid and figure 631 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,640 out the dose with your veterinarian. It's about a half 632 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,160 of a milligram per kilogram body weight, so you know 633 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,279 a big dog might take a big dog might take 634 00:28:29,319 --> 00:28:32,400 twenty milligram. Usually it's a ten milligram over the counter 635 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,240 pepsid AC or you know any fraction thereof. Give it 636 00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:39,039 about thirty minutes before a meal, and that's to help 637 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,640 again solve the gasterkreflux problem. It's usually not a problem. 638 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,319 These dogs are otherwise happy, healthy, eating well, have normal BMS. 639 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,400 Tool everything else is perfect, so try that first before 640 00:28:49,519 --> 00:28:51,319 spending a lot of money at your doctor. If you 641 00:28:51,319 --> 00:28:54,039 have any questions for sure, go ahead and send me 642 00:28:54,079 --> 00:28:55,599 a note anyway. Thanks for joining. I want to thank 643 00:28:55,599 --> 00:28:57,200 you once again our sponsors. I want to thank pro 644 00:28:57,279 --> 00:29:00,519 Sense Pet Products. I want to thank Kong Sarah's going 645 00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:02,519 to get a free pro sense and contoy for sending 646 00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:04,599 us a question about the Golden Doodle. I want to 647 00:29:04,599 --> 00:29:07,079 thank doctor Danny mcgeade for being here. She and are 648 00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:09,400 going to be together at the North American Ventery Conference 649 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,799 coming up in a few weeks, and our show is 650 00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:14,119 going to be live again, so if you have any 651 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,599 questions saved up, she'll be our guest again at the 652 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:22,000 conference and we can talk more about this amazing sensitive topic. 653 00:29:22,079 --> 00:29:24,480 But man, is it important for all of you. Have 654 00:29:24,519 --> 00:29:27,400 a wonderful new year and we will see you back. 655 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,039 I'll be here next Sunday. 656 00:29:29,359 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 5: You will. 657 00:29:30,079 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: Let's Talk Pets every week on demand only on Petlife 658 00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:45,799 Radio dot com.