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Speaker 1: And we are back. So our next topic is getting

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into the Marvel Cinematic Universe, because it seems like there's

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more than just a Chris Evans coming back. We have

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a Haley Atwell joining Avengers Doomsday in addition to mister

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Chris Evans. It seems like Marvel Studios was working on

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a solo Steven Peggy movie but couldn't crack it down,

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so they've just kind of incorporated I'm assuming Peggy. I'm

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assuming that's what she's gonna be reprising her character as

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back into Avengers Doomsday. But again, we talked about how

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Chris Evans might be different character, not necessarily becoming as

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Captain America, Like there's a lot of different conversation happening there.

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So maybe that's the same with Haley Atwell. I don't know,

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but I'm curious what you guys think about this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it seems like there just don't have

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much faith in the current state of MCU and like

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maybe what they've been setting up with the last TV

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shows and movie projects for the last few years, and

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it really feel I was like, Okay, they're just going

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back to that winning the Pooh honeypot for this one,

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they're just digging their big grubby hands back in there.

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They're pulling Robert Downey out as a villain. Now they're

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pulling back all of these characters, and they're just slurping

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all that honey down. So I feel like it's a

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little unfortunate for me. Of course, I love these characters

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and these actors in these roles, and you know, it

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just feels a little cheap. I suppose to bring all

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these people back, and it doesn't really feel earned or

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really what we want to see. Like I think we've just, yes,

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we've had a messy road of some of these movies

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and TV shows, but we've also come up with a

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lot of really cool, interesting new characters, and I really

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want to see them get the spotlight. But it kind

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of feels like that's not gonna happen. It feels like

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those characters will be more relegated to a supporting role

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or just like in it for a battle or something,

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and it seems like we're just focusing back on those

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like Phase one characters that got it all started, which

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just feels too soon for me, Like I think that's

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something that they should have waited and done ten years

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from now. You know, once again, I'm not speaking business

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minded here, I'm just speaking interns of like story wise,

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what would have been good, or even just letting uses

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state with the nostalgia a bit more. It just feels

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like also a little too sound. So I'm not super

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stoked about this, but I mean I'll still be there

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day one, and I'm sure a lot of people will,

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so it's maybe the right move for them in terms

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of dollars and cents.

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Speaker 3: It makes sense and potentially we'll make dollars. Yeah, I'm

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pretty lean. I'm pretty similar to you with this where

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it just doesn't really move the barometer much, which is

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kind of surprising because these are big characters that are not,

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you know, before this news, not part of the MCU anymore,

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well at least to the big scale of what those

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characters initially were with like the original versions of Peggy,

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the original versions of Steve. And to me, it's just like, okay, well,

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what's the next one going to be? Like let's get

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our Bengo cards out and just have our old original

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cast for like Avengers and be like they go doabverage ready,

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Like who, like who's going to fill their card first?

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Like it just seems like eventually we're going to be

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getting next to everyone back, and yeah, it's it's unfortunate

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that this should really be like boosting the hype levels

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on these characters. I I feel like it's it's because

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we haven't really had like a big of well, we

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haven't had an Avengers movie since, but definitely like even

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just a big like Marvel superhero movie in the sense

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of a collab like I guess Guardians, but that's kind

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of on its own because it's like saying goodbye to

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those characters and ending that book end in that chapter.

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But yeah, like like we haven't had an Avengers with

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the with the young like New Avengers. Yeah, like we

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don't even know what the Avengers roster is. And then

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now we're getting oh yeah, the next Avengers title that

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we're getting everyone that was in the last Avengers title,

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and it's just like, Okay, this is kind of just

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strange to me now, so uh yeah, right there with

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you on not really being too pumped about this, and

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I'm I'm I feel like they're really gonna be fucked

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if they do all get everyone back, and it like

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falls flat very good point all in like all the yeah,

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it's a Hail Mary, it seems, and like I know,

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hail Mary is usually like critical plays like do or

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die situation, And I feel like if they're pulling in

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all these people, like it feels like that, and yeah,

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we'll see, we'll see. Maybe the memes, you know Taylor

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of Figy stressing over the Superman thing, maybe it's really happening.

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Maybe he's starting to feel like the baton is in

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DC's hands right now.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, the man, like I said earlier, he

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dropped the Fantastic four theme, the full theme, which was Superman.

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It was just only a short piece of it.

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Speaker 3: He's probably like on the shitter and then he like

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got that. He's like, what the fuck this is out,

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this is coming, release it, release it, release the Fantastic

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four score, Let's go.

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Speaker 1: Calls James the fuck James agreement.

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Speaker 3: I mean, James calls Matt Reeves, starts chewing him.

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Speaker 2: He just released a billion dollar movie and Joker two

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eight ship. So I don't know, I don't know, if

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I don't know if I buyer his narrative. I think

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they're doing just fine. But they saw with that that

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people want nostalgia and they want the characters that they

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know and love. They don't want new new freaks on

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the block or musicals.

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Speaker 1: Well, debatable on musicals, I guess not Joker musical.

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Speaker 2: I mean there's a sequence with Deadpool's dancing to a song,

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so it's kind of musical.

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Speaker 1: That's true. So they maybe they did that just to well, no,

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because that was before was Deadpool before Joker before Okay,

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Deadpools in the summer, so they knew, and they're just like,

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you know what, let's spite them. Let's just add a

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little bit of a musical dance sequence in Deadpool and

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showed how we're going to do it right. And they

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did just that. So yep, uh Hale, yeah, Haley atwell

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joining and just Doomsday. I think there's a lot of

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there's a lot of nostalgia that, as you guys already discussed,

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they're going to be capitalizing on, which is totally fine,

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but it can go very very bad if you don't

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have a great story, you don't have things written in

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there very well. I'm a sucker for the multiversal stuff.

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But a few people that are more like the GA

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one person I work with in particular, they've been kind

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of going through the Marvel movies, and I think a

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few of them they've not seen before, and so they

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just did like Throw Love and Thunder and they did

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Endgame a little bit of Go and so they're kind

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of working their way through. And what I mentioned that

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we have Robert and Juior coming back is doom. They

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just kind of like rolled their eyes and thought, what

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the heck are they doing? Like that just seems so

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so lame, and I know there's a lot of people

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like that, But again, I like the multiversal stuff, and

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if that's obviously the take that they're doing here, where

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we're going to be getting characters that we recognize coming

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back as other characters, I think that there's gonna be

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a lot of fun with this as a sandbox to

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pull from. So I'm open to this. I'm very very excited,

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and I think you can have a lot of fun

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with her coming back either as like a Captain Carter

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or she comes back as just regular old Peggy. And

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Steve Rodgers is not Steve Rodgers. Chris Evans is playing

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someone else, but she recognizes him as Steve Rodgers. I

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think there's just there's a lot of fun dynamics that

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you could have in here. Uh So, I'm gonna hold

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my breath on this. It's funny that they were trying

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to do a solo Stephen Peggy movie. I'm curious where

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that kind of fits into the sequence of things. If

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it was like a post end game is it's just

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them doing dance lessons and like.

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Speaker 2: The musical, that's why they can't. They couldn't crack it.

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Speaker 1: Right they saw a joker like, oh we got a

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bet back.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's ultimately why they couldn't crack it.

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If that part of it is true, is like, how

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does this make any sense? Like how do we justify

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this as anything other than just like cash grab? And

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the answer is no, there's no answer to that.

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Speaker 1: Joe, Yeah, that's right. I don't have anything else on

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that topic, but I feel like I'm gonna slide in

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one more thing here on this is we're talking about

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Marvel because it popped up, but we kind of shifted

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things around on our previous newscast. But Kirkling, like you

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and I have been watching Daredevil and that season one

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retro that's dropping this month. It's the Patreon Like, Dylan,

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You're you're a Daredevil veteran already we're gearing up for it.

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But I just want to get your guys' thoughts on

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Daredevil Born Again taking place five years after the Netflix show,

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and you can try to you can be light on

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the spoilers because we don't want to be spoiled, but

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I just want to pick your brain a bit on that.

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Speaker 2: Dylan, Yeah, I guess that's a really hard one for

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me to answer, because like, where does five years after

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the show relate to what we've seen in the MCU

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thus far? Right, Like, is it that the show ended,

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then he's gone on all these adventures, which is what

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like three or four appearances now already, and then the

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Born Again is like after that, Like, I my brain

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cannot conceive of how any of this really makes sense.

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Speaker 3: I guess there's not really like specifically the Spider Man

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stuff with the Echo and h and she Hulk, like

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like what's the spacing of those specific projects, let alone

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where Daredevil was placed? Right? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: M hm, Yeah, Well I wish I had a better

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theory for you, But also like it's been a while

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since I watched Daredevil, so I don't know. It's it's

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that's a hard one for me to pick up. But

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that's I don't know, Yeah, I get, I don't it's

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it's also if you throw in the fact that there

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was like in the MCU there was like a five

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year gap as well, potentially like was he snapped for

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that time or was he not? Like we don't know,

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so I don't know. That makes things extra concluded. And

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I guarantee you the writers don't even know. They're just

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just making their project.

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Speaker 3: You know. It's like it's like the default time jump,

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like kay, what are we time jumping? And then it's

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like you just have your program and just automatically does

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five until you adjust it, and they just never adjusted.

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just chuckle anytime I hear that, because it is just

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a running thing now, you know, like Endgame, that's kind

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of what started. I think the five year jump, well

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at least like to the level that it's been at.

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But for too long we've been seeing these five year

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time jumps.

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget those audible gasps in the theater too

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with Endgame when it was like five years laing and

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people are like, oh yeah, they're very.

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Speaker 3: Loud, and they think they're still getting with us. To

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Speaker 1: Cool alright, Well, I guess our next