Speaker 1: And we are back. So our next topic is getting
into the Marvel Cinematic Universe, because it seems like there's
more than just a Chris Evans coming back. We have
a Haley Atwell joining Avengers Doomsday in addition to mister
Chris Evans. It seems like Marvel Studios was working on
a solo Steven Peggy movie but couldn't crack it down,
so they've just kind of incorporated I'm assuming Peggy. I'm
assuming that's what she's gonna be reprising her character as
back into Avengers Doomsday. But again, we talked about how
Chris Evans might be different character, not necessarily becoming as
Captain America, Like there's a lot of different conversation happening there.
So maybe that's the same with Haley Atwell. I don't know,
but I'm curious what you guys think about this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it seems like there just don't have
much faith in the current state of MCU and like
maybe what they've been setting up with the last TV
shows and movie projects for the last few years, and
it really feel I was like, Okay, they're just going
back to that winning the Pooh honeypot for this one,
they're just digging their big grubby hands back in there.
They're pulling Robert Downey out as a villain. Now they're
pulling back all of these characters, and they're just slurping
all that honey down. So I feel like it's a
little unfortunate for me. Of course, I love these characters
and these actors in these roles, and you know, it
just feels a little cheap. I suppose to bring all
these people back, and it doesn't really feel earned or
really what we want to see. Like I think we've just, yes,
we've had a messy road of some of these movies
and TV shows, but we've also come up with a
lot of really cool, interesting new characters, and I really
want to see them get the spotlight. But it kind
of feels like that's not gonna happen. It feels like
those characters will be more relegated to a supporting role
or just like in it for a battle or something,
and it seems like we're just focusing back on those
like Phase one characters that got it all started, which
just feels too soon for me, Like I think that's
something that they should have waited and done ten years
from now. You know, once again, I'm not speaking business
minded here, I'm just speaking interns of like story wise,
what would have been good, or even just letting uses
state with the nostalgia a bit more. It just feels
like also a little too sound. So I'm not super
stoked about this, but I mean I'll still be there
day one, and I'm sure a lot of people will,
so it's maybe the right move for them in terms
of dollars and cents.
Speaker 3: It makes sense and potentially we'll make dollars. Yeah, I'm
pretty lean. I'm pretty similar to you with this where
it just doesn't really move the barometer much, which is
kind of surprising because these are big characters that are not,
you know, before this news, not part of the MCU anymore,
well at least to the big scale of what those
characters initially were with like the original versions of Peggy,
the original versions of Steve. And to me, it's just like, okay, well,
what's the next one going to be? Like let's get
our Bengo cards out and just have our old original
cast for like Avengers and be like they go doabverage ready,
Like who, like who's going to fill their card first?
Like it just seems like eventually we're going to be
getting next to everyone back, and yeah, it's it's unfortunate
that this should really be like boosting the hype levels
on these characters. I I feel like it's it's because
we haven't really had like a big of well, we
haven't had an Avengers movie since, but definitely like even
just a big like Marvel superhero movie in the sense
of a collab like I guess Guardians, but that's kind
of on its own because it's like saying goodbye to
those characters and ending that book end in that chapter.
But yeah, like like we haven't had an Avengers with
the with the young like New Avengers. Yeah, like we
don't even know what the Avengers roster is. And then
now we're getting oh yeah, the next Avengers title that
we're getting everyone that was in the last Avengers title,
and it's just like, Okay, this is kind of just
strange to me now, so uh yeah, right there with
you on not really being too pumped about this, and
I'm I'm I feel like they're really gonna be fucked
if they do all get everyone back, and it like
falls flat very good point all in like all the yeah,
it's a Hail Mary, it seems, and like I know,
hail Mary is usually like critical plays like do or
die situation, And I feel like if they're pulling in
all these people, like it feels like that, and yeah,
we'll see, we'll see. Maybe the memes, you know Taylor
of Figy stressing over the Superman thing, maybe it's really happening.
Maybe he's starting to feel like the baton is in
DC's hands right now.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, the man, like I said earlier, he
dropped the Fantastic four theme, the full theme, which was Superman.
It was just only a short piece of it.
Speaker 3: He's probably like on the shitter and then he like
got that. He's like, what the fuck this is out,
this is coming, release it, release it, release the Fantastic
four score, Let's go.
Speaker 1: Calls James the fuck James agreement.
Speaker 3: I mean, James calls Matt Reeves, starts chewing him.
Speaker 2: He just released a billion dollar movie and Joker two
eight ship. So I don't know, I don't know, if
I don't know if I buyer his narrative. I think
they're doing just fine. But they saw with that that
people want nostalgia and they want the characters that they
know and love. They don't want new new freaks on
the block or musicals.
Speaker 1: Well, debatable on musicals, I guess not Joker musical.
Speaker 2: I mean there's a sequence with Deadpool's dancing to a song,
so it's kind of musical.
Speaker 1: That's true. So they maybe they did that just to well, no,
because that was before was Deadpool before Joker before Okay,
Deadpools in the summer, so they knew, and they're just like,
you know what, let's spite them. Let's just add a
little bit of a musical dance sequence in Deadpool and
showed how we're going to do it right. And they
did just that. So yep, uh Hale, yeah, Haley atwell
joining and just Doomsday. I think there's a lot of
there's a lot of nostalgia that, as you guys already discussed,
they're going to be capitalizing on, which is totally fine,
but it can go very very bad if you don't
have a great story, you don't have things written in
there very well. I'm a sucker for the multiversal stuff.
But a few people that are more like the GA
one person I work with in particular, they've been kind
of going through the Marvel movies, and I think a
few of them they've not seen before, and so they
just did like Throw Love and Thunder and they did
Endgame a little bit of Go and so they're kind
of working their way through. And what I mentioned that
we have Robert and Juior coming back is doom. They
just kind of like rolled their eyes and thought, what
the heck are they doing? Like that just seems so
so lame, and I know there's a lot of people
like that, But again, I like the multiversal stuff, and
if that's obviously the take that they're doing here, where
we're going to be getting characters that we recognize coming
back as other characters, I think that there's gonna be
a lot of fun with this as a sandbox to
pull from. So I'm open to this. I'm very very excited,
and I think you can have a lot of fun
with her coming back either as like a Captain Carter
or she comes back as just regular old Peggy. And
Steve Rodgers is not Steve Rodgers. Chris Evans is playing
someone else, but she recognizes him as Steve Rodgers. I
think there's just there's a lot of fun dynamics that
you could have in here. Uh So, I'm gonna hold
my breath on this. It's funny that they were trying
to do a solo Stephen Peggy movie. I'm curious where
that kind of fits into the sequence of things. If
it was like a post end game is it's just
them doing dance lessons and like.
Speaker 2: The musical, that's why they can't. They couldn't crack it.
Speaker 1: Right they saw a joker like, oh we got a
bet back.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's ultimately why they couldn't crack it.
If that part of it is true, is like, how
does this make any sense? Like how do we justify
this as anything other than just like cash grab? And
the answer is no, there's no answer to that.
Speaker 1: Joe, Yeah, that's right. I don't have anything else on
that topic, but I feel like I'm gonna slide in
one more thing here on this is we're talking about
Marvel because it popped up, but we kind of shifted
things around on our previous newscast. But Kirkling, like you
and I have been watching Daredevil and that season one
retro that's dropping this month. It's the Patreon Like, Dylan,
You're you're a Daredevil veteran already we're gearing up for it.
But I just want to get your guys' thoughts on
Daredevil Born Again taking place five years after the Netflix show,
and you can try to you can be light on
the spoilers because we don't want to be spoiled, but
I just want to pick your brain a bit on that.
Speaker 2: Dylan, Yeah, I guess that's a really hard one for
me to answer, because like, where does five years after
the show relate to what we've seen in the MCU
thus far? Right, Like, is it that the show ended,
then he's gone on all these adventures, which is what
like three or four appearances now already, and then the
Born Again is like after that, Like, I my brain
cannot conceive of how any of this really makes sense.
Speaker 3: I guess there's not really like specifically the Spider Man
stuff with the Echo and h and she Hulk, like
like what's the spacing of those specific projects, let alone
where Daredevil was placed? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2: M hm, Yeah, Well I wish I had a better
theory for you, But also like it's been a while
since I watched Daredevil, so I don't know. It's it's
that's a hard one for me to pick up. But
that's I don't know, Yeah, I get, I don't it's
it's also if you throw in the fact that there
was like in the MCU there was like a five
year gap as well, potentially like was he snapped for
that time or was he not? Like we don't know,
so I don't know. That makes things extra concluded. And
I guarantee you the writers don't even know. They're just
just making their project.
Speaker 3: You know. It's like it's like the default time jump,
like kay, what are we time jumping? And then it's
like you just have your program and just automatically does
five until you adjust it, and they just never adjusted.
It always gives you five years. I feel like I
just chuckle anytime I hear that, because it is just
a running thing now, you know, like Endgame, that's kind
of what started. I think the five year jump, well
at least like to the level that it's been at.
But for too long we've been seeing these five year
time jumps.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget those audible gasps in the theater too
with Endgame when it was like five years laing and
people are like, oh yeah, they're very.
Speaker 3: Loud, and they think they're still getting with us. To
wait until they see it's been a five year jump.
Speaker 1: Cool alright, Well, I guess our next