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All Right, so I clearly said at the 11 00:00:31,239 --> 00:00:33,119 end of the program yesterday, as I do at the 12 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,399 end of every single program, I say, do not break 13 00:00:35,439 --> 00:00:39,320 anything while I'm gone, and then people break things and 14 00:00:39,359 --> 00:00:41,399 I don't know what to do about this anymore. I 15 00:00:41,399 --> 00:00:43,479 mean short of like not saying it anymore at the 16 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,039 end of the show, and I'm not doing that. So 17 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:55,200 what the hell happened to Heritage the Heritage Foundation. I'm 18 00:00:55,439 --> 00:00:59,200 at a loss to understand why some of the people 19 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:04,879 that are leading some of these conservative organizations feel the 20 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:08,799 need to bend the knee to an anti Semite. A 21 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:13,319 guy who fanboys for Hitler and Stalin wants to murder, 22 00:01:13,599 --> 00:01:19,120 execute all of the Jews in America once he takes over. 23 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,959 I don't understand it, and I'm not being hyperbolic. Those 24 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:29,200 are direct quotes. I have direct quotes from one Nick Flentes, 25 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,319 this groper leader, that's his term, he uses it. The 26 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:39,079 people that follow him are quote gropers. They are poop posters, 27 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,879 as they call themselves. But well, actually they don't call 28 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:48,879 themselves poop posters. They use another word for poop. He 29 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,200 has said. At the high levels of society, and specifically 30 00:01:52,239 --> 00:01:55,840 among the Jews, they are evildoers. They are people that 31 00:01:55,959 --> 00:01:59,519 worship false gods. They are people that practice magic or 32 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:03,079 ritual or whatever. And more than anything, those people need 33 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,519 to be when we take power, they need to be 34 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:11,000 given the death penalty. That's Nick Falentes quote. I'm a 35 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:12,360 big fan of Stalin. 36 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,080 Speaker 2: Hitler was cool. Hitler was awesome. Direct quotes. 37 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,599 Speaker 1: Or how about women are coy They want me to 38 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:23,840 rape them, they want me to beat the bleep out 39 00:02:23,879 --> 00:02:24,199 of them? 40 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 2: End quote. Or how about Charlie Kirk. 41 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: Charlie is a female dog. Word begins with a be. 42 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:40,159 Charlie is a bee. He's a fake patriot, anti Christian, 43 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:44,159 and anti white. Let's focus all of our firepower on 44 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:48,840 Charlie Kirk. He also talked about taking over Turning Point 45 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:54,280 USA with his groypers that he has bleeped Turning Point 46 00:02:54,319 --> 00:02:58,159 Usa Charlie's baby. He bleeped Charlie's baby, That's what he 47 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:03,240 kept saying. And it's already done. The wheels are in motion. 48 00:03:03,439 --> 00:03:08,960 They're going to take it over. I said this at 49 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:10,800 the News and Bruise the other night because I could 50 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:15,159 see this building. I had seen that Tucker Carlson, who 51 00:03:15,199 --> 00:03:18,800 I used to watch and I used to read his stuff. 52 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,919 I used to have a different opinion of him than 53 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:27,560 I do now. And I cannot explain, nor will I 54 00:03:27,599 --> 00:03:32,960 attempt to explain, whatever has happened to him that has 55 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:34,280 become discernible to me. 56 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:37,759 Speaker 2: Maybe he has. 57 00:03:38,159 --> 00:03:43,039 Speaker 1: Hidden his prior held beliefs, maybe these are new beliefs. 58 00:03:43,599 --> 00:03:46,120 Maybe he doesn't know what he's doing. Maybe he does 59 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:50,000 know what he's doing. Maybe he's motivated by something, by audience, 60 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:54,439 by money, by conviction. I don't know, and frankly, I 61 00:03:54,439 --> 00:03:59,319 don't care. It doesn't matter to me. What matters to 62 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:03,599 me as an observer and as an American, I look 63 00:04:03,639 --> 00:04:07,080 at what he is, what the results are of what 64 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:11,960 he's doing, and what the results are is a splintering 65 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:17,360 of the Republican coalition that Donald Trump built, that Charlie 66 00:04:17,439 --> 00:04:22,040 Kirk was building this quote big tent. As Ben Sjapiro 67 00:04:22,399 --> 00:04:24,079 has said, you know, when you build a big tent, 68 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:27,120 you end up with a lot of clowns. And the 69 00:04:27,199 --> 00:04:30,120 thing that we have been demanding me specifically, I'll just 70 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,560 speak for myself. The thing that I have been demanding 71 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:39,519 of the left, specifically Democrat leaders is to weed out 72 00:04:39,639 --> 00:04:46,120 their own is to ostracize the people inside of your tent, 73 00:04:46,319 --> 00:04:51,560 in your movement that call for violence, that celebrate violence, 74 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:56,399 that engage in violence. Right when Charlie Kirk was assassinated, 75 00:04:56,480 --> 00:05:00,240 a lot of people on the right started identifying, you know, 76 00:05:00,639 --> 00:05:05,319 rhetoric from Democrat politicians and saying, hey, they're you know, 77 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:11,160 they're egging this stuff on. Well, I am about a 78 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:17,040 consistent application of standards. So my standard is that when 79 00:05:17,199 --> 00:05:23,920 people on quote your side are behaving in a terrible way, 80 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,800 then you need to say you're behaving in a terrible way. 81 00:05:27,879 --> 00:05:30,600 You need to police your own side lest you be 82 00:05:30,959 --> 00:05:35,720 smeared along with them. And if you want an example 83 00:05:35,759 --> 00:05:37,279 of this, look at. 84 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 2: The Democrat Party. Just look at them. 85 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're putting Zoron Mamdani into the mayorship 86 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:51,439 of New York City. Right, They've got a candidate who 87 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,319 advocated the murder of a Republican Speaker of the House 88 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:59,079 in Virginia and his two young children who he wanted 89 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,680 to die in their mother's arms. That's who they're putting up. 90 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,519 And if you don't want to be smeared with that 91 00:06:07,639 --> 00:06:11,680 kind of association, you are free, by the way, to 92 00:06:11,759 --> 00:06:14,639 have any association you would like. We have freedom of 93 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:18,360 association in America. You are free to associate with the 94 00:06:18,399 --> 00:06:24,759 most vile people you choose, absolutely, But then I'm going 95 00:06:24,759 --> 00:06:29,639 to make some judgments about you. Right when Abigail Spanberger 96 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,319 cannot seem to bring herself to say that Jay Jones 97 00:06:33,399 --> 00:06:35,399 needs to drop out of the race because of his 98 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:42,759 vile comments about wanting to murder people and kids, well 99 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:49,639 then I'm going to associate her with him. I've been 100 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:53,920 consistent on this. I haven't changed. And so when you 101 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:58,000 come to me now, Heritage Foundation, I've had people from 102 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:02,040 Heritage on my shows for twenty years. 103 00:07:02,639 --> 00:07:03,319 Speaker 2: Not anymore. 104 00:07:04,639 --> 00:07:07,399 Speaker 1: Not anymore, Because you're pulling a span Burger, is what 105 00:07:07,399 --> 00:07:10,360 you're doing. You're doing the very same thing you are 106 00:07:10,399 --> 00:07:14,040 refusing to police your own You're not saying and by 107 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:18,480 the way, you will never hear me say deplatform somebody, 108 00:07:18,639 --> 00:07:19,680 cancel somebody. 109 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 2: I'm not calling for that. 110 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:26,959 Speaker 1: I'm simply saying, if you want to welcome the groypers, 111 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:32,079 which is like single digit percentages, if you want to 112 00:07:32,319 --> 00:07:37,639 welcome them into your tent, and you want to say 113 00:07:37,639 --> 00:07:41,480 that that's your side, that they're on your side, then 114 00:07:41,519 --> 00:07:43,920 I'm not. I just want to be clear, like that's 115 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:48,879 not my side. I will not help you at all 116 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:54,279 if you are helping them, because their leader has said 117 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,560 what I just gave you these quotes he said, and 118 00:07:56,759 --> 00:07:59,360 that's just that's just the stuff that like I could 119 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,879 find in the land twenty four hours and I didn't 120 00:08:01,879 --> 00:08:04,560 even have to look very hard. Hell, he said one 121 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,600 of them in the interview with Tucker Carlson and got 122 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:12,040 zero pushback. And that's the thing too. I saw Tucker 123 00:08:12,079 --> 00:08:14,920 Carlson's interview with Ted Cruz. We played soundbites of it 124 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:19,680 on this show. It was heated. Tucker was just savaging 125 00:08:19,759 --> 00:08:24,040 him over Israel. That's what all this comes to. It 126 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,120 comes down to. It's all about Israel. And I'm sure 127 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:32,559 there's some geopolitical and profound reasons why it happens to 128 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:38,840 be Israel and only Israel. That's it, I'm sure, because 129 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,440 I don't want to accuse people of being anti Semites 130 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:46,279 just because they're anti Zionists or anti Israel, or I'm 131 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,879 just criticizing the policy of a foreign country, or I'm 132 00:08:49,919 --> 00:08:55,039 just criticizing our support of that foreign country. Right, so 133 00:08:55,399 --> 00:08:59,240 I'm not equating the two. I'm giving trying to give 134 00:08:59,279 --> 00:09:02,159 people the benefit of the doubt. But I do note 135 00:09:03,519 --> 00:09:09,279 it is almost exclusively about Israel. That's the unifying issue 136 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,200 for so many of these young people, which, by the way, 137 00:09:12,519 --> 00:09:16,360 comic Dave Smith, big opponent of Israel, goes on all 138 00:09:16,399 --> 00:09:21,519 of the conservative podcasts and stuff and makes the case 139 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,679 about why Israel is so terrible, committing genocide and everything else. 140 00:09:26,159 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 2: He said, We've already won. 141 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: It's what he told Peters Morgan and Seth Dillon from 142 00:09:29,639 --> 00:09:32,320 the Babylon b We've already won the younger generation. We 143 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,639 already won them over. This is what's happening to the 144 00:09:36,639 --> 00:09:38,960 MAGA movement. 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They 162 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,320 are your life told through the eyes of everyone around 163 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,639 you and all who came before you, and they will 164 00:10:44,639 --> 00:10:48,000 tell others to come who you are. Visit creative video 165 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,879 dot com. From the text line, Jody said, love the show. 166 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:57,519 I just wasn't sure what Tucker Carlson said. I'm not 167 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:03,720 focusing on anything that Carlson said. Carlson is too well, 168 00:11:03,799 --> 00:11:09,799 some may say slippery, I would say skilled. He is 169 00:11:09,919 --> 00:11:13,960 very skilled at what he does and so he rarely 170 00:11:14,039 --> 00:11:19,200 ever says things that are that you could nail him 171 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,919 down on. Although he did say he loathes Christian Zionists. 172 00:11:22,919 --> 00:11:24,879 He called them heretics and said he hates them more 173 00:11:24,919 --> 00:11:30,600 than anybody else, anyone else, and they rattled off the 174 00:11:30,639 --> 00:11:32,840 whole bunch of people that he says, you know, he knows, 175 00:11:32,879 --> 00:11:35,600 like Carl Rove and whatever. He listed all of these 176 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:41,600 neo KHN Republicans from you know, twenty years ago. But 177 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:47,440 my beef with Carlson is that he is platforming people. 178 00:11:48,399 --> 00:11:51,720 And I know of which I speak here because of 179 00:11:51,759 --> 00:11:55,039 what I speak, because I too platform people. Anybody that 180 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,679 I allow on the show, I am platforming them. Okay, 181 00:11:58,799 --> 00:12:01,679 So it's not it's not that I disagree with people 182 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:05,799 being platformed, but I then can make a judgment about 183 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:10,200 who you choose to platform and then how you engage 184 00:12:10,279 --> 00:12:13,919 with the people you bring in. And after the News, 185 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,639 I'll be talking with James Lindsay again, and he's been 186 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,840 predicting this very thing for years, and you know, the 187 00:12:21,919 --> 00:12:25,080 running joke is that he's got a James Lindsay was 188 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,799 right jar and you just throw money into it every 189 00:12:27,879 --> 00:12:32,000 time because he said this was coming. This is a 190 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:37,240 crackup of the mega movement, and you've got people that 191 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:42,360 are vying for control of it. Why because all populist 192 00:12:42,399 --> 00:12:48,039 movements that are led by a figurehead, they all splinter 193 00:12:48,399 --> 00:12:52,919 when the figurehead dies or gets imprisoned or retires or whatever. 194 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:58,519 And that's maga. Donald Trump is maga. Right without him, 195 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:03,039 there was no there could be no maga. And so 196 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:06,720 Donald Trump is looking at you know, three and a 197 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,960 half years, three years left on his term, and people 198 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,720 are jockeying for position for that base. They want a 199 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:17,159 piece of that pie. They want to be a movement 200 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:21,799 leader inside of that. That's the best, uh, that's my 201 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:26,639 best interpretation. That's giving people the benefit of the doubt 202 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:31,000 that it's a play for power. There are some other 203 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,840 explanations that are possible, but that would be I would 204 00:13:34,879 --> 00:13:39,519 be ascribing motive to them. There's their theories out there, 205 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,039 and again, there are many different people that are jockeying 206 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:46,159 for a slice of that pie, and some of the theories are, 207 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:48,919 you know, they're captured by their audience. For example, it's 208 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:51,960 just a money thing, so in order to keep their 209 00:13:52,039 --> 00:13:56,399 engagement going on social media, on their podcast, in order 210 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:00,200 to keep the download numbers up. Again, being in this 211 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:01,639 line of work for as long as I've been in 212 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,759 this line of work, I know of what I speak here. 213 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:08,240 People become captured by their audience, and they say things 214 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,679 in order to keep their audience engaged with them and 215 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,679 keep them sticky, as we say, and they don't want 216 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:16,639 to cross their audience. 217 00:14:17,639 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 2: I know firsthand about this. So that's part of it. 218 00:14:21,279 --> 00:14:24,279 Speaker 1: That could be an explanation for why some people inside 219 00:14:24,399 --> 00:14:27,919 you know, conservative podcast to stand or whatever the you 220 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:32,000 know podcast world influenzer types like that could be why 221 00:14:32,039 --> 00:14:34,720 they're doing it. There's also a component, by the way 222 00:14:34,759 --> 00:14:40,200 that attaches to this, which is the the bot farms, 223 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:48,399 the fake accounts that boost the algorithms in order to 224 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:55,039 create a false sense of popularity among positions and things 225 00:14:55,039 --> 00:14:56,840 that people are saying. Like if I if I send 226 00:14:56,879 --> 00:14:59,799 out a tweet that says something terrible and it gets 227 00:14:59,799 --> 00:15:02,840 a million follows or a billion likes or something, now 228 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,679 I'm making money on x right, they're paying me because 229 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,320 I've got all this engagement, and then I say something 230 00:15:09,399 --> 00:15:11,399 that's not terrible and I get nothing. 231 00:15:12,679 --> 00:15:15,639 Speaker 2: So if I am trying. 232 00:15:15,399 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: To feed the family, keep a roof over the head, 233 00:15:18,559 --> 00:15:22,519 I realize very quickly where my incentives lie there, and 234 00:15:22,559 --> 00:15:25,480 that's to keep saying the terrible stuff because that keeps 235 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:26,120 the engagement. 236 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:27,799 Speaker 2: Well, what if it's not real engagement? 237 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:30,639 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying anybody here, I'm not naming any 238 00:15:30,679 --> 00:15:31,720 names because I don't know. 239 00:15:32,519 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 2: I don't know. 240 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:34,799 Speaker 1: I will tell you if I knew, but I don't 241 00:15:34,799 --> 00:15:36,879 know who is doing it for these reasons. 242 00:15:36,879 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 2: But this is a thing. 243 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:45,279 Speaker 1: And some people are undoubtedly working as engagement farmers, okay, 244 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,519 And there is undoubtedly. I mean, they just busted one 245 00:15:48,759 --> 00:15:50,840 up in New York, a Chinese bot farm. 246 00:15:52,799 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 2: It is happening, Okay. 247 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: We are in a in a battle space that is 248 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:03,240 social media. We have foreign actors that are engaging in 249 00:16:03,279 --> 00:16:08,879 psychological warfare for the minds of the American public. I 250 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:11,879 believe it is to weaken us, to tear us down 251 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:16,399 from the inside, to undercut the pillars of Western civilization 252 00:16:16,759 --> 00:16:19,799 so we are more easily conquered. This is not a 253 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,600 new strategy goes all the way back to Sun sou 254 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,759 part of war, I mean, minus the Facebook and all, 255 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:30,360 but it's the same, it's these are the same principles. 256 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,159 There is also there, you know, there are also people 257 00:16:36,159 --> 00:16:39,200 that are in it just because they just really hate Jews. 258 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,559 Speaker 2: That's part of it as well, some of these the gropers, 259 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:42,840 you know. 260 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: But this is where we get into sort of this 261 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:49,600 woke right category as well, which is that you've got 262 00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,440 the same sort of woke mind virus, as Elon Musk 263 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,720 called it. It's capturing people on the right as well, 264 00:16:57,679 --> 00:17:00,360 just as it did on the left, and you start 265 00:17:00,399 --> 00:17:05,359 creating this bubble of people that eventually detaches from the 266 00:17:05,519 --> 00:17:09,519 quote mainstream. And once you're in that bubble that has detached, 267 00:17:09,519 --> 00:17:13,079 there's no coming back from that. There's no coming back. 268 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,599 And this is also of the This is also part 269 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:20,680 of a warfare tactic in that if you can have 270 00:17:20,839 --> 00:17:23,759 people remove themselves from the battlefield, now you never have. 271 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,319 Speaker 2: To deal with them again, and you weaken your opponents. 272 00:17:27,279 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: And so the woke right has adopted the tactics of 273 00:17:32,759 --> 00:17:39,200 the woke left, using identity politics, this awakening to critical consciousness, 274 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,160 viewing things through the lens of oppressed and oppressor, except 275 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,960 they just swap out different identities for oppressor and oppressed, 276 00:17:46,039 --> 00:17:50,240 that's all. And in their worldview they are the oppressed, 277 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:55,240 just like every wokester is right. Every wokester identifies themselves 278 00:17:55,279 --> 00:17:58,640 as oppressed in some way. They view an enemy that 279 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:05,119 oppresses them, and then they target that enemy as the 280 00:18:05,319 --> 00:18:07,599 wellspring of all of their ills. 281 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 2: That's a problem. That's a problem. 282 00:18:11,559 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: Also, there is envy involved in Marxism, woke ism. That's 283 00:18:18,279 --> 00:18:22,160 where this all comes from. There's envy, and so I'm 284 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,000 kind of I laugh a little bit when I hear 285 00:18:24,039 --> 00:18:26,240 a lot of people on the woke right talk about 286 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,039 how the Jews are in control of everything, but they 287 00:18:29,039 --> 00:18:31,319 want to be in control of everything. 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Thanks great. 318 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:12,519 Speaker 2: I've seen you on Twitter today. Are you sure you're 319 00:20:12,559 --> 00:20:13,160 great today? 320 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:19,279 Speaker 3: I am? Yes. Fighting is a joyful activity. 321 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 2: So okay, explain to me what the hell is happening 322 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:23,119 right now. 323 00:20:25,319 --> 00:20:27,759 Speaker 3: I think what we're actually witnessing is a mask off 324 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:31,720 moment for something that's been developing in conservative circles for 325 00:20:31,759 --> 00:20:35,880 several years. I've given it the name controversially, the woke Right. 326 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:39,240 They call themselves a dissident right or a new Right. 327 00:20:39,759 --> 00:20:43,480 But there's some movement that's embedded itself within MAGA that's 328 00:20:43,519 --> 00:20:46,000 been kind of a fellow traveler. I would say that 329 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,920 the right terminology is that it is a radical splinter 330 00:20:49,079 --> 00:20:52,240 group that has been trying to take MAGA into radicalism, 331 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,319 into anti semitism and racism and all of the things 332 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,200 the left has accused us of. And they decided this 333 00:20:59,279 --> 00:21:06,039 past week, following Tucker Carlson interviewing the very radical fringe 334 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,000 character Nick Flentes, they decided to take their mask off 335 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:15,240 and show the world that they're part of this movement, 336 00:21:15,839 --> 00:21:20,319 an unwelcome part of this movement. And then Kevin Roberts, 337 00:21:20,319 --> 00:21:23,079 the president of the Heritage Foundation, decided to stand with 338 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:26,279 his longtime friend Tucker Carlson rather than to draw a 339 00:21:26,319 --> 00:21:28,680 clear line, and everybody's freaking out. 340 00:21:29,599 --> 00:21:33,519 Speaker 1: So to your point, I came across this guy named 341 00:21:33,559 --> 00:21:39,160 Scott Wiener. He's a Democrat out of California. He's a 342 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,720 senator there, and he says the mainstreaming of Nazi and 343 00:21:42,799 --> 00:21:45,960 anti Semitic rhetoric on the right is now complete. 344 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,960 Speaker 2: And so he's a Democrat. He's this guy. 345 00:21:50,039 --> 00:21:52,039 Speaker 1: He's awful out there, some of the stuff that he's 346 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,839 proposed in the past and gotten through in the legislature. 347 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:59,680 So this is sort of playing into the left's narrative, right, 348 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,160 It's like it's giving them the loaded gun. 349 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, Scott Wiener has been the probably most effective 350 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:12,400 state senator in California at passing the radical sexual agenda 351 00:22:13,079 --> 00:22:15,079 in that state, which has been a model for the 352 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,119 radical sexual agendas across the United States, including there in 353 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,039 North Carolina that you guys have had to deal with. 354 00:22:20,279 --> 00:22:24,839 So Scott Wiener is a very savvy Democratic political operator. 355 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:30,799 He's very strong in the LGBTQ activist movement, and he's 356 00:22:30,839 --> 00:22:33,920 a very dangerous character in American politics. And he's seizing 357 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,359 upon this opportunity that's been handed to them on a 358 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:42,759 silver platter to accuse now quite credibly Republicans of being 359 00:22:42,799 --> 00:22:47,119 in line with Nazis. As you can find not tens, 360 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,839 not just hundreds, but thousands of videos of Nick Fuentes, 361 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,759 this character that Tucker Carlson interviewed praising Hitler, praising the 362 00:22:54,839 --> 00:22:59,920 Nazis and celebrating them, saying that Hitler was effing cool, 363 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,799 for example, in a very famous clip, among a lot 364 00:23:02,799 --> 00:23:07,559 of other things. So, yes, what this splinter movement is doing, 365 00:23:07,599 --> 00:23:10,799 in my opinion, and has always been doing, is handing 366 00:23:10,839 --> 00:23:13,680 the ammunition back to the Democrats, back to the left 367 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,000 to make sure that Republicans don't win another election for 368 00:23:17,079 --> 00:23:20,519 twenty years. And that moment where we have to make 369 00:23:20,559 --> 00:23:23,559 this decision whether we say we're with that and we're 370 00:23:23,559 --> 00:23:25,759 going to take our chances with all that evil, or 371 00:23:25,799 --> 00:23:27,960 we're going to say we're not with that and we're 372 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,559 going to draw a clear line. That moment has arrived. 373 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,640 Speaker 1: So how is it because I've watched you for years. 374 00:23:34,759 --> 00:23:37,160 I've read your stuff for years. How were you able 375 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,400 to predict this this moment? 376 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 3: Well, I tell people this a lot. I predicted an 377 00:23:44,039 --> 00:23:45,960 awful lot of things that the left was going to do, 378 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,680 that the Democrats were going to do over the last 379 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,599 five to ten years, and I predicted that this was coming. 380 00:23:50,839 --> 00:23:52,839 And I tell people the same story again and again. 381 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,759 I read what people say and I believe them. So 382 00:23:56,839 --> 00:23:59,240 when they tell me, as Kevin Roberts has said for 383 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,799 years at Heritage that he is a post liberal, I say, well, 384 00:24:03,799 --> 00:24:05,599 what does that word mean? And I go look up 385 00:24:05,599 --> 00:24:08,039 the word post liberal and I see that it means 386 00:24:08,039 --> 00:24:12,000 something like wanting to break away from the American constitutional order. 387 00:24:12,279 --> 00:24:14,480 And when he says that publicly in front of an audience, 388 00:24:14,519 --> 00:24:16,480 I assume he knows what it means and that he 389 00:24:16,599 --> 00:24:19,240 means it. So then I start looking at the implications 390 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,839 of such a belief set. And it's not that difficult 391 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,039 to start making predictions. The only thing that's hard to 392 00:24:25,079 --> 00:24:28,720 predict is the timing. What will happen is usually pretty 393 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,200 easy to figure out, when in the specifically how it 394 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,160 will happen can be more difficult. I would not have 395 00:24:34,319 --> 00:24:37,240 guessed that Tucker Carlson was going to interview Nick flint 396 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,240 Is and then that the Heritage Foundation's president would take 397 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,559 a stand to defend this. 398 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, what is the danger? You called this radical splinter? 399 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: So like, obviously there's electoral dangers, right if you, you know, 400 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:56,160 cozy up to neo Nazis and anti Semites and Stalin fanboys. 401 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,000 Obviously there might very well be elector implications for that. 402 00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:03,359 People don't want to vote for your candidates. But what 403 00:25:03,519 --> 00:25:06,559 of the the at the sort of the personal, the 404 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,880 individual level, do you think the danger is for people? 405 00:25:11,279 --> 00:25:14,599 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, these people represent a very radical and 406 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,839 dangerous movement. Whether or not they will turn to something 407 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,759 like political violence is actually an open question. They usually 408 00:25:21,759 --> 00:25:25,599 engage in their political violence through the means of online attacks. 409 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,720 They don't show up with, you know, weapons or guns 410 00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:31,880 or something like that. But they do actually have a 411 00:25:32,079 --> 00:25:35,640 strong tendency to gather people's personal private information and publish 412 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,440 that their addresses, their phone numbers, their families addresses, and 413 00:25:39,519 --> 00:25:44,039 to engage in pretty relentless harassment campaigns. I've been subject 414 00:25:44,079 --> 00:25:46,880 to those for standing up to this. Many other people 415 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,240 have as well. That can get dangerous. They can progress 416 00:25:50,279 --> 00:25:53,160 to calling in the SWAT team under false pretenses, which 417 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,400 will show up with guns at your house, and there 418 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,720 have been incidents where that's led to the person at 419 00:25:57,759 --> 00:26:01,279 the home dying. So they are a danger movement in 420 00:26:01,319 --> 00:26:04,559 that regard. Whether they will escalate further, it's hard to say, 421 00:26:04,599 --> 00:26:08,200 but the primary danger at the moment is electoral. We 422 00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:10,720 can guarantee that Republicans are not going to win another 423 00:26:10,759 --> 00:26:14,440 major election for twenty years. If this movement becomes characteristic 424 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,200 COMEGA or the Conservative movement. 425 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,200 Speaker 1: How much of that is do you think tied to 426 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:21,480 the fact that, you know, Trump is term limited. He 427 00:26:21,559 --> 00:26:24,839 built the MAGA movement, He's got this broad coalition, and 428 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:26,960 now everybody kind of sees, okay, well he's going to 429 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,200 be done in three years, so let's take our shot. 430 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 3: I think there's some element of that. I think that 431 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,559 actually it's more important for them to undermine Trump in 432 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,480 his second term. A lot of people have the strong 433 00:26:39,599 --> 00:26:42,480 mistake that these people are pro Trump and pro America. 434 00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:46,599 Big Point has openly and strongly campaigned against Trump in 435 00:26:46,759 --> 00:26:50,079 the last election. For example, very strongly. It came out, 436 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,000 you know, with the lead text messages a couple of 437 00:26:52,079 --> 00:26:55,920 years ago that Tucker Carlson hates Trump. He's cozied up 438 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,359 to him since because of all of the usual reasons 439 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,319 you might suspect, but there'd be a big mistake to 440 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,039 think that these people are there to help Trump achieve 441 00:27:04,079 --> 00:27:06,640 his agenda. The more we're fighting with each other, the 442 00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,480 more we're tying ourselves or being tied to these awful 443 00:27:10,599 --> 00:27:14,920 radical things like jew hatred and anti semitism and blaming 444 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,680 Israel for everything that's ever happened, and racism and sexism 445 00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:22,240 and homophobia and the alays in the real, genuine sense, 446 00:27:22,519 --> 00:27:25,599 in the trumped up sense of the left. The more 447 00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:28,200 that we're tied to all that, less Trump is going 448 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,519 to be able to accomplish. The more there will be division, 449 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,480 like we saw when he had decided to do the 450 00:27:33,519 --> 00:27:36,720 strike against Iran's nuclear sites. There's going to be division 451 00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:41,039 trying to undercut him at every turn, to create chaos 452 00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:43,160 where he isn't able to implement his agenda. And then 453 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,240 when we watch the midterms go the wrong way, Trump 454 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,119 becomes neutered. So Trump's agenda to stop the left and 455 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,200 to stop the radical Democrats gets thrown in the toilet 456 00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:55,799 by this movement undermining him day in and day out, 457 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,759 and so everything we're trying to save in America gets 458 00:27:58,799 --> 00:28:00,799 thrown away. They're successful. 459 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,319 Speaker 1: Well, and even Fiuentes himself after the twenty twenty four 460 00:28:05,839 --> 00:28:08,160 or I guess yeah, well twenty twenty loss. He's when 461 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,880 Trump lost. He said we did it, and he has 462 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,000 now said even JD. Vance has to pander to his 463 00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:19,799 groy him and his groper crew. So how do people 464 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,440 that are on the right to varying degrees, how do 465 00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:29,640 we combat this rise of this radical splinter group, this 466 00:28:29,759 --> 00:28:30,960 gropersm if you want. 467 00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:33,319 Speaker 3: To call it that, Well, it's exactly the same as 468 00:28:33,319 --> 00:28:35,680 dealing with the left. So everything you wish you would 469 00:28:35,759 --> 00:28:38,359 have done to deal with the left five years ago 470 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,160 that people were afraid and confused and wouldn't do, is 471 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,240 what we have to do. So, like when they show 472 00:28:43,279 --> 00:28:45,720 up at one of these conservative events like they did, 473 00:28:45,799 --> 00:28:47,480 the people that end up on the stage need to 474 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:52,920 make very clear statements that break from their the framing 475 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,559 that the gropers are giving. So we see JD. Vans, 476 00:28:55,599 --> 00:28:59,119 we see a crama farming, We see Glinn Beck getting 477 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,880 put their feet to fire by these radicals showing up. 478 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,519 This is exactly the same as when a BLM activist 479 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,480 or an ANTIFA activist or a queer theory activist show 480 00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:11,000 up and they ask an impertinent question to try to 481 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,839 catch the person flat footed. So what you do is 482 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,359 you reject their framing. You say, this isn't who we are, 483 00:29:15,519 --> 00:29:17,000 this isn't what we're going to do, and we're not 484 00:29:17,079 --> 00:29:20,079 interested in hearing this. And they're going to cry censorship 485 00:29:20,119 --> 00:29:22,039 and all of this other stuff. And just like when 486 00:29:22,039 --> 00:29:24,480 the left cry is racist, you don't care. You say, no, 487 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,759 we know who we are, we stand in our principles, 488 00:29:26,839 --> 00:29:30,039 and we know right from wrong, and don't entertain it. 489 00:29:30,119 --> 00:29:32,759 It's absolutely crucial that we stop thinking these people are 490 00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:36,160 offering something serious for conservatives to think about, and start 491 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,640 treating them as though they're trying to disrupt and subvert 492 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,319 our movement, which is exactly what they're doing. Tell them 493 00:29:41,359 --> 00:29:44,039 what Charlie Kirk said when he was confronted with these 494 00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:46,920 people Surrey. He said, you're a white supremacist or a 495 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,960 white identitarian. You're not part of our movement. You don't 496 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,599 represent conservatism. This is not what we're doing. The crowd 497 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,599 erupted the video. Who goes viral every other week? You 498 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:56,319 stand up to them. 499 00:29:56,359 --> 00:29:59,079 Speaker 1: That's what you do, James Lindsay. You could read his 500 00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:01,400 work at New Discord versus dot com. He's also the 501 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,759 author of Race, Marxism and Cynical Theories as well. Always 502 00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:07,200 appreciate your time, James. Thanks, keep up the good work. 503 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:08,839 Speaker 3: Thank you, all right, take care. 504 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,519 Speaker 2: That's James Lindsey. All right. 505 00:30:10,559 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: If you're listening to this show, you know I try 506 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,160 to keep up with all sorts of current events, and 507 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,279 I know you do too. And you've probably heard me 508 00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:20,519 say get your news from multiple sources. Why well, because 509 00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:23,240 it's how you detect media bias, which is why I've 510 00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:26,599 been so impressed with ground News. It's an app and 511 00:30:26,799 --> 00:30:29,720 it's a website and it combines news from around the 512 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,400 world in one place so you can compare coverage and 513 00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:36,359 verify information. 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I 524 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,519 use the Vantage plan to get unlimited access to every feature. 525 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,480 Your subscription then not only helps my podcast, but it 526 00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:13,680 also supports Ground News as they make the media landscape 527 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:19,319 more transparent. Messages on the text line from Kathy, we 528 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,960 need to make sure we go out on X You'll 529 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,400 always be Twitter to me and any other media and 530 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,599 put the information out Regarding the president of Heritage Foundation. 531 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:29,599 Speaker 2: In the interview with. 532 00:31:31,119 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson, I will definitely put out that I will 533 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:39,079 never support them and push anyone else who is supporting 534 00:31:39,079 --> 00:31:46,359 them to know what they are getting themselves into. Okay, 535 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:51,319 this is Eddie. We were better off as hunter gatherers. Well, 536 00:31:51,079 --> 00:31:53,839 we did not live as long. I think the guy 537 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,559 talking right now is full of crap. The majority of 538 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,160 Republicans and Democrats are not far right or left. They 539 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,960 are moderate. Nick Fluentes represents very few people. He's got 540 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:08,400 one of the biggest podcast platforms in America. By the way, 541 00:32:08,519 --> 00:32:12,039 Nick Fuentes does, I don't know if that's real people 542 00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:19,880 that are elevating those numbers. I have no idea. He says, 543 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,000 this guy is making it sound like the far right 544 00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:23,319 is a huge population. 545 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 2: I don't think he did that at all. 546 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:33,039 Speaker 1: He called it a radical splinter off of MAGA, and 547 00:32:33,079 --> 00:32:36,119 he made very clear that they are not actually on 548 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:41,039 the right, They're not right wingers. They have glombed onto conservatism. 549 00:32:41,759 --> 00:32:43,640 I've been saying this for twenty five years. I saw 550 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:48,359 it when George W. Bush was president and Republicans won power, 551 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,960 and all of a sudden there were all these people 552 00:32:51,079 --> 00:32:54,799 that had glombed onto conservatism under sort of a neo 553 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,640 con banner. They were not conservatives. They were not for 554 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:05,079 limited government, right, they were not for individual liberty, due process, 555 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,599 rule of law. They weren't saying those things. They didn't 556 00:33:07,599 --> 00:33:14,000 believe that stuff. They wanted the power. Psychopaths are attracted 557 00:33:14,119 --> 00:33:23,079 to the power source. And by the way, whether or 558 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,200 not this guy Fwentes represents very few people or not, 559 00:33:26,519 --> 00:33:33,440 when the Heritage Foundation comes out and defends it, that's 560 00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:38,440 broken through. Now you've now broken through that very comfortable 561 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,240 place where you could say he doesn't represent a large following, 562 00:33:41,359 --> 00:33:44,640 he doesn't represent us. He's over there, he's not on 563 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:48,079 the right or whatever. When the president of the Heritage 564 00:33:48,079 --> 00:33:50,480 Foundation comes out and I've got his statement. 565 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 2: I haven't even played it yet. 566 00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 1: That's broken through. Now now you have to address it. 567 00:33:56,279 --> 00:33:58,920 You will be made to care. This is what the 568 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,079 woke does. You're going about living your life, you don't 569 00:34:02,079 --> 00:34:04,599 care about a particular issue, and all of a sudden, 570 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:09,239 now you're being forced to care about something. We are 571 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,239 now being forced to care about this thing. I've been 572 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,920 watching this for a while. As I said, I mentioned 573 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,599 it at the News and Brus event that this rift 574 00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:21,320 is coming. I did not expect it to come right now, 575 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,760 two days after the event, but I knew that this 576 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:30,320 thing was. It was simmering. And then Eddie goes on 577 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,000 to say Nick Fouentes is a mo for the far 578 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,039 right to try to show that Republicans are anti Semites. Yes, 579 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:41,920 that's what James Lindsay was saying. You're exactly right. That's 580 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:47,519 the point is to besmirch basically everybody on the right, 581 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:52,159 as we just heard from Scott Wiener's comment that this 582 00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:55,079 is who they are, This is who Republicans are. Everybody 583 00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:58,639 is now going to be tagged as on the same 584 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,280 side as Nick Fuentes. And if you don't want to 585 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,559 be tagged as being on his side, then you have 586 00:35:05,639 --> 00:35:08,639 to stand up and say I'm not on his side. 587 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,719 I'm doing that. I'm saying, if, if, if, whatever happens 588 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,039 with Maga, whatever the Republican Party is doing, whatever the 589 00:35:16,199 --> 00:35:21,679 right is about, if it, if it includes Fuentes and 590 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,599 his crowd, that's not my side. And had the Democrats 591 00:35:25,639 --> 00:35:29,039 done that with their radicals, they would probably be in 592 00:35:29,079 --> 00:35:32,320 a much better position right now. They wouldn't be at 593 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:36,480 record low approval numbers. That's what I'm trying to convey 594 00:35:36,519 --> 00:35:39,280 to you. If you don't think he represents a large 595 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,320 portion of the electorate, and you think we don't need 596 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,159 him to win, then it shouldn't be any problem to 597 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:49,719 excise that and say you have no place in conservatism 598 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:55,800 because the ideology and the views you are expressing are terrible, 599 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,199 They're vile. I don't have a problem saying that. 600 00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:01,559 Speaker 2: Some people do. I am not one of them. 601 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,599 Speaker 1: He says, the far left needs for the Republicans to 602 00:36:05,679 --> 00:36:08,599 be anti Maga, right, so they're going to drive a wedge. 603 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,760 They've been trying to drive a wedge. I said it 604 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,119 with the with the Iran strike too. They are trying 605 00:36:14,159 --> 00:36:17,679 to drive a wedge in Maga anyway they can. The 606 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,920 left is and they will exploit. What do you think 607 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,480 the Epstein Files is about. Why is the left all 608 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,400 of a sudden caring about the Epstein Files, Well because 609 00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,960 they see it as a wedge to splinter apart Mega. 610 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,320 Speaker 2: Okay, that's about the shutdown. Oh here's a troll. 611 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,800 Speaker 1: Same folks who are shocked and alarmed about heritage routinely 612 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,960 laugh at Bill Crystal for having TDS. Well, Bill Crystal 613 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,760 came out and he's in support of Mom Donnie. Okay, 614 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,599 x GOP have been warning about this predictable threat since 615 00:36:56,639 --> 00:36:59,519 twenty fifteen. Liberalism only matters to y'all now that it's 616 00:36:59,559 --> 00:37:04,000 an elect to reliability. Liberalism only matters to y'all. 617 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 2: Now that I don't think that's correct at all. 618 00:37:11,639 --> 00:37:14,079 Speaker 1: And Frank says, you banned me from your show about 619 00:37:14,119 --> 00:37:17,639 a year ago from some trumped up accusation, So I 620 00:37:17,679 --> 00:37:19,920 am now going to text into your show. You are 621 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,360 free to text in, Frank, but I can also block you, 622 00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:24,440 so just keep. 623 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,719 Speaker 2: That in mind too. All right, that'll do it for 624 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,000 this episode. 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