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your support. All Right, so I clearly said at the
end of the program yesterday, as I do at the
end of every single program, I say, do not break
anything while I'm gone, and then people break things and
I don't know what to do about this anymore. I
mean short of like not saying it anymore at the
end of the show, and I'm not doing that. So
what the hell happened to Heritage the Heritage Foundation. I'm
at a loss to understand why some of the people
that are leading some of these conservative organizations feel the
need to bend the knee to an anti Semite. A
guy who fanboys for Hitler and Stalin wants to murder,
execute all of the Jews in America once he takes over.
I don't understand it, and I'm not being hyperbolic. Those
are direct quotes. I have direct quotes from one Nick Flentes,
this groper leader, that's his term, he uses it. The
people that follow him are quote gropers. They are poop posters,
as they call themselves. But well, actually they don't call
themselves poop posters. They use another word for poop. He
has said. At the high levels of society, and specifically
among the Jews, they are evildoers. They are people that
worship false gods. They are people that practice magic or
ritual or whatever. And more than anything, those people need
to be when we take power, they need to be
given the death penalty. That's Nick Falentes quote. I'm a
big fan of Stalin.
Speaker 2: Hitler was cool. Hitler was awesome. Direct quotes.
Speaker 1: Or how about women are coy They want me to
rape them, they want me to beat the bleep out
of them?
Speaker 2: End quote. Or how about Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 1: Charlie is a female dog. Word begins with a be.
Charlie is a bee. He's a fake patriot, anti Christian,
and anti white. Let's focus all of our firepower on
Charlie Kirk. He also talked about taking over Turning Point
USA with his groypers that he has bleeped Turning Point
Usa Charlie's baby. He bleeped Charlie's baby, That's what he
kept saying. And it's already done. The wheels are in motion.
They're going to take it over. I said this at
the News and Bruise the other night because I could
see this building. I had seen that Tucker Carlson, who
I used to watch and I used to read his stuff.
I used to have a different opinion of him than
I do now. And I cannot explain, nor will I
attempt to explain, whatever has happened to him that has
become discernible to me.
Speaker 2: Maybe he has.
Speaker 1: Hidden his prior held beliefs, maybe these are new beliefs.
Maybe he doesn't know what he's doing. Maybe he does
know what he's doing. Maybe he's motivated by something, by audience,
by money, by conviction. I don't know, and frankly, I
don't care. It doesn't matter to me. What matters to
me as an observer and as an American, I look
at what he is, what the results are of what
he's doing, and what the results are is a splintering
of the Republican coalition that Donald Trump built, that Charlie
Kirk was building this quote big tent. As Ben Sjapiro
has said, you know, when you build a big tent,
you end up with a lot of clowns. And the
thing that we have been demanding me specifically, I'll just
speak for myself. The thing that I have been demanding
of the left, specifically Democrat leaders is to weed out
their own is to ostracize the people inside of your tent,
in your movement that call for violence, that celebrate violence,
that engage in violence. Right when Charlie Kirk was assassinated,
a lot of people on the right started identifying, you know,
rhetoric from Democrat politicians and saying, hey, they're you know,
they're egging this stuff on. Well, I am about a
consistent application of standards. So my standard is that when
people on quote your side are behaving in a terrible way,
then you need to say you're behaving in a terrible way.
You need to police your own side lest you be
smeared along with them. And if you want an example
of this, look at.
Speaker 2: The Democrat Party. Just look at them.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're they're putting Zoron Mamdani into the mayorship
of New York City. Right, They've got a candidate who
advocated the murder of a Republican Speaker of the House
in Virginia and his two young children who he wanted
to die in their mother's arms. That's who they're putting up.
And if you don't want to be smeared with that
kind of association, you are free, by the way, to
have any association you would like. We have freedom of
association in America. You are free to associate with the
most vile people you choose, absolutely, But then I'm going
to make some judgments about you. Right when Abigail Spanberger
cannot seem to bring herself to say that Jay Jones
needs to drop out of the race because of his
vile comments about wanting to murder people and kids, well
then I'm going to associate her with him. I've been
consistent on this. I haven't changed. And so when you
come to me now, Heritage Foundation, I've had people from
Heritage on my shows for twenty years.
Speaker 2: Not anymore.
Speaker 1: Not anymore, Because you're pulling a span Burger, is what
you're doing. You're doing the very same thing you are
refusing to police your own You're not saying and by
the way, you will never hear me say deplatform somebody,
cancel somebody.
Speaker 2: I'm not calling for that.
Speaker 1: I'm simply saying, if you want to welcome the groypers,
which is like single digit percentages, if you want to
welcome them into your tent, and you want to say
that that's your side, that they're on your side, then
I'm not. I just want to be clear, like that's
not my side. I will not help you at all
if you are helping them, because their leader has said
what I just gave you these quotes he said, and
that's just that's just the stuff that like I could
find in the land twenty four hours and I didn't
even have to look very hard. Hell, he said one
of them in the interview with Tucker Carlson and got
zero pushback. And that's the thing too. I saw Tucker
Carlson's interview with Ted Cruz. We played soundbites of it
on this show. It was heated. Tucker was just savaging
him over Israel. That's what all this comes to. It
comes down to. It's all about Israel. And I'm sure
there's some geopolitical and profound reasons why it happens to
be Israel and only Israel. That's it, I'm sure, because
I don't want to accuse people of being anti Semites
just because they're anti Zionists or anti Israel, or I'm
just criticizing the policy of a foreign country, or I'm
just criticizing our support of that foreign country. Right, so
I'm not equating the two. I'm giving trying to give
people the benefit of the doubt. But I do note
it is almost exclusively about Israel. That's the unifying issue
for so many of these young people, which, by the way,
comic Dave Smith, big opponent of Israel, goes on all
of the conservative podcasts and stuff and makes the case
about why Israel is so terrible, committing genocide and everything else.
Speaker 2: He said, We've already won.
Speaker 1: It's what he told Peters Morgan and Seth Dillon from
the Babylon b We've already won the younger generation. We
already won them over. This is what's happening to the
MAGA movement. I said this at the News and Brus event.
There is a fight right now for who controls MAGA.
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I just wasn't sure what Tucker Carlson said. I'm not
focusing on anything that Carlson said. Carlson is too well,
some may say slippery, I would say skilled. He is
very skilled at what he does and so he rarely
ever says things that are that you could nail him
down on. Although he did say he loathes Christian Zionists.
He called them heretics and said he hates them more
than anybody else, anyone else, and they rattled off the
whole bunch of people that he says, you know, he knows,
like Carl Rove and whatever. He listed all of these
neo KHN Republicans from you know, twenty years ago. But
my beef with Carlson is that he is platforming people.
And I know of which I speak here because of
what I speak, because I too platform people. Anybody that
I allow on the show, I am platforming them. Okay,
So it's not it's not that I disagree with people
being platformed, but I then can make a judgment about
who you choose to platform and then how you engage
with the people you bring in. And after the News,
I'll be talking with James Lindsay again, and he's been
predicting this very thing for years, and you know, the
running joke is that he's got a James Lindsay was
right jar and you just throw money into it every
time because he said this was coming. This is a
crackup of the mega movement, and you've got people that
are vying for control of it. Why because all populist
movements that are led by a figurehead, they all splinter
when the figurehead dies or gets imprisoned or retires or whatever.
And that's maga. Donald Trump is maga. Right without him,
there was no there could be no maga. And so
Donald Trump is looking at you know, three and a
half years, three years left on his term, and people
are jockeying for position for that base. They want a
piece of that pie. They want to be a movement
leader inside of that. That's the best, uh, that's my
best interpretation. That's giving people the benefit of the doubt
that it's a play for power. There are some other
explanations that are possible, but that would be I would
be ascribing motive to them. There's their theories out there,
and again, there are many different people that are jockeying
for a slice of that pie, and some of the theories are,
you know, they're captured by their audience. For example, it's
just a money thing, so in order to keep their
engagement going on social media, on their podcast, in order
to keep the download numbers up. Again, being in this
line of work for as long as I've been in
this line of work, I know of what I speak here.
People become captured by their audience, and they say things
in order to keep their audience engaged with them and
keep them sticky, as we say, and they don't want
to cross their audience.
Speaker 2: I know firsthand about this. So that's part of it.
Speaker 1: That could be an explanation for why some people inside
you know, conservative podcast to stand or whatever the you
know podcast world influenzer types like that could be why
they're doing it. There's also a component, by the way
that attaches to this, which is the the bot farms,
the fake accounts that boost the algorithms in order to
create a false sense of popularity among positions and things
that people are saying. Like if I if I send
out a tweet that says something terrible and it gets
a million follows or a billion likes or something, now
I'm making money on x right, they're paying me because
I've got all this engagement, and then I say something
that's not terrible and I get nothing.
Speaker 2: So if I am trying.
Speaker 1: To feed the family, keep a roof over the head,
I realize very quickly where my incentives lie there, and
that's to keep saying the terrible stuff because that keeps
the engagement.
Speaker 2: Well, what if it's not real engagement?
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying anybody here, I'm not naming any
names because I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I will tell you if I knew, but I don't
know who is doing it for these reasons.
Speaker 2: But this is a thing.
Speaker 1: And some people are undoubtedly working as engagement farmers, okay,
And there is undoubtedly. I mean, they just busted one
up in New York, a Chinese bot farm.
Speaker 2: It is happening, Okay.
Speaker 1: We are in a in a battle space that is
social media. We have foreign actors that are engaging in
psychological warfare for the minds of the American public. I
believe it is to weaken us, to tear us down
from the inside, to undercut the pillars of Western civilization
so we are more easily conquered. This is not a
new strategy goes all the way back to Sun sou
part of war, I mean, minus the Facebook and all,
but it's the same, it's these are the same principles.
There is also there, you know, there are also people
that are in it just because they just really hate Jews.
Speaker 2: That's part of it as well, some of these the gropers,
you know.
Speaker 1: But this is where we get into sort of this
woke right category as well, which is that you've got
the same sort of woke mind virus, as Elon Musk
called it. It's capturing people on the right as well,
just as it did on the left, and you start
creating this bubble of people that eventually detaches from the
quote mainstream. And once you're in that bubble that has detached,
there's no coming back from that. There's no coming back.
And this is also of the This is also part
of a warfare tactic in that if you can have
people remove themselves from the battlefield, now you never have.
Speaker 2: To deal with them again, and you weaken your opponents.
Speaker 1: And so the woke right has adopted the tactics of
the woke left, using identity politics, this awakening to critical consciousness,
viewing things through the lens of oppressed and oppressor, except
they just swap out different identities for oppressor and oppressed,
that's all. And in their worldview they are the oppressed,
just like every wokester is right. Every wokester identifies themselves
as oppressed in some way. They view an enemy that
oppresses them, and then they target that enemy as the
wellspring of all of their ills.
Speaker 2: That's a problem. That's a problem.
Speaker 1: Also, there is envy involved in Marxism, woke ism. That's
where this all comes from. There's envy, and so I'm
kind of I laugh a little bit when I hear
a lot of people on the woke right talk about
how the Jews are in control of everything, but they
want to be in control of everything. So there's some
envy going on there, which of course is the root
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back to the program James Lindsay. He is the purveyor
maybe of New Discourses dot com. That's his website, New Discourses.
Tommy's also the author of several books, including Race, Marxism,
and Cynical Theories.
Speaker 2: James, how are you today, sir?
Speaker 3: Hey, I'm great. Thanks great.
Speaker 2: I've seen you on Twitter today. Are you sure you're
great today?
Speaker 3: I am? Yes. Fighting is a joyful activity.
Speaker 2: So okay, explain to me what the hell is happening
right now.
Speaker 3: I think what we're actually witnessing is a mask off
moment for something that's been developing in conservative circles for
several years. I've given it the name controversially, the woke Right.
They call themselves a dissident right or a new Right.
But there's some movement that's embedded itself within MAGA that's
been kind of a fellow traveler. I would say that
the right terminology is that it is a radical splinter
group that has been trying to take MAGA into radicalism,
into anti semitism and racism and all of the things
the left has accused us of. And they decided this
past week, following Tucker Carlson interviewing the very radical fringe
character Nick Flentes, they decided to take their mask off
and show the world that they're part of this movement,
an unwelcome part of this movement. And then Kevin Roberts,
the president of the Heritage Foundation, decided to stand with
his longtime friend Tucker Carlson rather than to draw a
clear line, and everybody's freaking out.
Speaker 1: So to your point, I came across this guy named
Scott Wiener. He's a Democrat out of California. He's a
senator there, and he says the mainstreaming of Nazi and
anti Semitic rhetoric on the right is now complete.
Speaker 2: And so he's a Democrat. He's this guy.
Speaker 1: He's awful out there, some of the stuff that he's
proposed in the past and gotten through in the legislature.
So this is sort of playing into the left's narrative, right,
It's like it's giving them the loaded gun.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely, Scott Wiener has been the probably most effective
state senator in California at passing the radical sexual agenda
in that state, which has been a model for the
radical sexual agendas across the United States, including there in
North Carolina that you guys have had to deal with.
So Scott Wiener is a very savvy Democratic political operator.
He's very strong in the LGBTQ activist movement, and he's
a very dangerous character in American politics. And he's seizing
upon this opportunity that's been handed to them on a
silver platter to accuse now quite credibly Republicans of being
in line with Nazis. As you can find not tens,
not just hundreds, but thousands of videos of Nick Fuentes,
this character that Tucker Carlson interviewed praising Hitler, praising the
Nazis and celebrating them, saying that Hitler was effing cool,
for example, in a very famous clip, among a lot
of other things. So, yes, what this splinter movement is doing,
in my opinion, and has always been doing, is handing
the ammunition back to the Democrats, back to the left
to make sure that Republicans don't win another election for
twenty years. And that moment where we have to make
this decision whether we say we're with that and we're
going to take our chances with all that evil, or
we're going to say we're not with that and we're
going to draw a clear line. That moment has arrived.
Speaker 1: So how is it because I've watched you for years.
I've read your stuff for years. How were you able
to predict this this moment?
Speaker 3: Well, I tell people this a lot. I predicted an
awful lot of things that the left was going to do,
that the Democrats were going to do over the last
five to ten years, and I predicted that this was coming.
And I tell people the same story again and again.
I read what people say and I believe them. So
when they tell me, as Kevin Roberts has said for
years at Heritage that he is a post liberal, I say, well,
what does that word mean? And I go look up
the word post liberal and I see that it means
something like wanting to break away from the American constitutional order.
And when he says that publicly in front of an audience,
I assume he knows what it means and that he
means it. So then I start looking at the implications
of such a belief set. And it's not that difficult
to start making predictions. The only thing that's hard to
predict is the timing. What will happen is usually pretty
easy to figure out, when in the specifically how it
will happen can be more difficult. I would not have
guessed that Tucker Carlson was going to interview Nick flint
Is and then that the Heritage Foundation's president would take
a stand to defend this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what is the danger? You called this radical splinter?
Speaker 1: So like, obviously there's electoral dangers, right if you, you know,
cozy up to neo Nazis and anti Semites and Stalin fanboys.
Obviously there might very well be elector implications for that.
People don't want to vote for your candidates. But what
of the the at the sort of the personal, the
individual level, do you think the danger is for people?
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, these people represent a very radical and
dangerous movement. Whether or not they will turn to something
like political violence is actually an open question. They usually
engage in their political violence through the means of online attacks.
They don't show up with, you know, weapons or guns
or something like that. But they do actually have a
strong tendency to gather people's personal private information and publish
that their addresses, their phone numbers, their families addresses, and
to engage in pretty relentless harassment campaigns. I've been subject
to those for standing up to this. Many other people
have as well. That can get dangerous. They can progress
to calling in the SWAT team under false pretenses, which
will show up with guns at your house, and there
have been incidents where that's led to the person at
the home dying. So they are a danger movement in
that regard. Whether they will escalate further, it's hard to say,
but the primary danger at the moment is electoral. We
can guarantee that Republicans are not going to win another
major election for twenty years. If this movement becomes characteristic
COMEGA or the Conservative movement.
Speaker 1: How much of that is do you think tied to
the fact that, you know, Trump is term limited. He
built the MAGA movement, He's got this broad coalition, and
now everybody kind of sees, okay, well he's going to
be done in three years, so let's take our shot.
Speaker 3: I think there's some element of that. I think that
actually it's more important for them to undermine Trump in
his second term. A lot of people have the strong
mistake that these people are pro Trump and pro America.
Big Point has openly and strongly campaigned against Trump in
the last election. For example, very strongly. It came out,
you know, with the lead text messages a couple of
years ago that Tucker Carlson hates Trump. He's cozied up
to him since because of all of the usual reasons
you might suspect, but there'd be a big mistake to
think that these people are there to help Trump achieve
his agenda. The more we're fighting with each other, the
more we're tying ourselves or being tied to these awful
radical things like jew hatred and anti semitism and blaming
Israel for everything that's ever happened, and racism and sexism
and homophobia and the alays in the real, genuine sense,
in the trumped up sense of the left. The more
that we're tied to all that, less Trump is going
to be able to accomplish. The more there will be division,
like we saw when he had decided to do the
strike against Iran's nuclear sites. There's going to be division
trying to undercut him at every turn, to create chaos
where he isn't able to implement his agenda. And then
when we watch the midterms go the wrong way, Trump
becomes neutered. So Trump's agenda to stop the left and
to stop the radical Democrats gets thrown in the toilet
by this movement undermining him day in and day out,
and so everything we're trying to save in America gets
thrown away. They're successful.
Speaker 1: Well, and even Fiuentes himself after the twenty twenty four
or I guess yeah, well twenty twenty loss. He's when
Trump lost. He said we did it, and he has
now said even JD. Vance has to pander to his
groy him and his groper crew. So how do people
that are on the right to varying degrees, how do
we combat this rise of this radical splinter group, this
gropersm if you want.
Speaker 3: To call it that, Well, it's exactly the same as
dealing with the left. So everything you wish you would
have done to deal with the left five years ago
that people were afraid and confused and wouldn't do, is
what we have to do. So, like when they show
up at one of these conservative events like they did,
the people that end up on the stage need to
make very clear statements that break from their the framing
that the gropers are giving. So we see JD. Vans,
we see a crama farming, We see Glinn Beck getting
put their feet to fire by these radicals showing up.
This is exactly the same as when a BLM activist
or an ANTIFA activist or a queer theory activist show
up and they ask an impertinent question to try to
catch the person flat footed. So what you do is
you reject their framing. You say, this isn't who we are,
this isn't what we're going to do, and we're not
interested in hearing this. And they're going to cry censorship
and all of this other stuff. And just like when
the left cry is racist, you don't care. You say, no,
we know who we are, we stand in our principles,
and we know right from wrong, and don't entertain it.
It's absolutely crucial that we stop thinking these people are
offering something serious for conservatives to think about, and start
treating them as though they're trying to disrupt and subvert
our movement, which is exactly what they're doing. Tell them
what Charlie Kirk said when he was confronted with these
people Surrey. He said, you're a white supremacist or a
white identitarian. You're not part of our movement. You don't
represent conservatism. This is not what we're doing. The crowd
erupted the video. Who goes viral every other week? You
stand up to them.
Speaker 1: That's what you do, James Lindsay. You could read his
work at New Discord versus dot com. He's also the
author of Race, Marxism and Cynical Theories as well. Always
appreciate your time, James. Thanks, keep up the good work.
Speaker 3: Thank you, all right, take care.
Speaker 2: That's James Lindsey. All right.
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Speaker 2: In the interview with.
Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson, I will definitely put out that I will
never support them and push anyone else who is supporting
them to know what they are getting themselves into. Okay,
this is Eddie. We were better off as hunter gatherers. Well,
we did not live as long. I think the guy
talking right now is full of crap. The majority of
Republicans and Democrats are not far right or left. They
are moderate. Nick Fluentes represents very few people. He's got
one of the biggest podcast platforms in America. By the way,
Nick Fuentes does, I don't know if that's real people
that are elevating those numbers. I have no idea. He says,
this guy is making it sound like the far right
is a huge population.
Speaker 2: I don't think he did that at all.
Speaker 1: He called it a radical splinter off of MAGA, and
he made very clear that they are not actually on
the right, They're not right wingers. They have glombed onto conservatism.
I've been saying this for twenty five years. I saw
it when George W. Bush was president and Republicans won power,
and all of a sudden there were all these people
that had glombed onto conservatism under sort of a neo
con banner. They were not conservatives. They were not for
limited government, right, they were not for individual liberty, due process,
rule of law. They weren't saying those things. They didn't
believe that stuff. They wanted the power. Psychopaths are attracted
to the power source. And by the way, whether or
not this guy Fwentes represents very few people or not,
when the Heritage Foundation comes out and defends it, that's
broken through. Now you've now broken through that very comfortable
place where you could say he doesn't represent a large following,
he doesn't represent us. He's over there, he's not on
the right or whatever. When the president of the Heritage
Foundation comes out and I've got his statement.
Speaker 2: I haven't even played it yet.
Speaker 1: That's broken through. Now now you have to address it.
You will be made to care. This is what the
woke does. You're going about living your life, you don't
care about a particular issue, and all of a sudden,
now you're being forced to care about something. We are
now being forced to care about this thing. I've been
watching this for a while. As I said, I mentioned
it at the News and Brus event that this rift
is coming. I did not expect it to come right now,
two days after the event, but I knew that this
thing was. It was simmering. And then Eddie goes on
to say Nick Fouentes is a mo for the far
right to try to show that Republicans are anti Semites. Yes,
that's what James Lindsay was saying. You're exactly right. That's
the point is to besmirch basically everybody on the right,
as we just heard from Scott Wiener's comment that this
is who they are, This is who Republicans are. Everybody
is now going to be tagged as on the same
side as Nick Fuentes. And if you don't want to
be tagged as being on his side, then you have
to stand up and say I'm not on his side.
I'm doing that. I'm saying, if, if, if, whatever happens
with Maga, whatever the Republican Party is doing, whatever the
right is about, if it, if it includes Fuentes and
his crowd, that's not my side. And had the Democrats
done that with their radicals, they would probably be in
a much better position right now. They wouldn't be at
record low approval numbers. That's what I'm trying to convey
to you. If you don't think he represents a large
portion of the electorate, and you think we don't need
him to win, then it shouldn't be any problem to
excise that and say you have no place in conservatism
because the ideology and the views you are expressing are terrible,
They're vile. I don't have a problem saying that.
Speaker 2: Some people do. I am not one of them.
Speaker 1: He says, the far left needs for the Republicans to
be anti Maga, right, so they're going to drive a wedge.
They've been trying to drive a wedge. I said it
with the with the Iran strike too. They are trying
to drive a wedge in Maga anyway they can. The
left is and they will exploit. What do you think
the Epstein Files is about. Why is the left all
of a sudden caring about the Epstein Files, Well because
they see it as a wedge to splinter apart Mega.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's about the shutdown. Oh here's a troll.
Speaker 1: Same folks who are shocked and alarmed about heritage routinely
laugh at Bill Crystal for having TDS. Well, Bill Crystal
came out and he's in support of Mom Donnie. Okay,
x GOP have been warning about this predictable threat since
twenty fifteen. Liberalism only matters to y'all now that it's
an elect to reliability. Liberalism only matters to y'all.
Speaker 2: Now that I don't think that's correct at all.
Speaker 1: And Frank says, you banned me from your show about
a year ago from some trumped up accusation, So I
am now going to text into your show. You are
free to text in, Frank, but I can also block you,
so just keep.
Speaker 2: That in mind too. All right, that'll do it for
this episode. Thank you so much for listening.
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