Speaker 1: Mac.
Speaker 2: Is there something about me that makes people want to
Speaker 2: lower their expectations of me?
Speaker 1: How do you mean to hold on? Take a step back. Okay,
Speaker 1: So you're saying that people have high expectations of you.
Speaker 2: Low expectations of me, so that then when I do anything,
Speaker 2: it's just met with amazement.
Speaker 1: Okay. So you are asking if people are inclined to
Speaker 1: have a low expectation about for you of you, Yes,
Speaker 1: because of a character trait of yours, right, I mean
Speaker 1: I guess if they don't know you, I don't know
Speaker 1: what they would be going off of. But I mean
Speaker 1: you're the type of you're like a perfectionist, you work hard,
Speaker 1: So I don't know why people would.
Speaker 2: Have loved I love those compliments. I'll tell you. The
Speaker 2: person that's way too easily impressed about me is my father.
Speaker 1: Well, there is a delineation, right, a sort of age
Speaker 1: group where sometimes you do, like just zooming into a photo,
Speaker 1: they're like WHOA Like that's so, I think your father's
Speaker 1: sort of in that age group. Anything anything that's cordless,
Speaker 1: he's he's probably very impressed by it. Well.
Speaker 2: No, so, like I appreciate when he's uh, when he's
Speaker 2: overly excited about, like, hey, you're a really good dad.
Speaker 2: You know that makes me feel nice because you don't
Speaker 2: get those compliments often. It's nice to hear that every
Speaker 2: once in a while, but there are times where, like RAFFI,
Speaker 2: my son will tell him that I read to him
Speaker 2: every night, and my dad's like, you read to him
Speaker 2: every night? Never? What a thunk it?
Speaker 1: So this is you, this was this was a trap
Speaker 1: here you phrased this. I was thinking in general public.
Speaker 1: So the question is what? Actually the answer is very easy.
Speaker 2: You I trapped you.
Speaker 1: You were wondering why your dad had such low expectations.
Speaker 2: It's why my dad has such low expectations of me when.
Speaker 1: One week ago we just talked about how you got
Speaker 1: a tattoo to apologize to your father for your behavior
Speaker 1: and your adolescence.
Speaker 2: One good, three Yeah, jobs three King of Queen.
Speaker 1: MARYL.
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Speaker 1: Yet today you bring you the three best friends that
Speaker 1: anyone could have. We are talking Daredevil Born Again seven
Speaker 1: years and the Making Year Good. I believe season three
Speaker 1: Daredevil is twenty eighteen. Does that sound right?
Speaker 2: But I'll ask you this though, is that if we
Speaker 2: were avocados at law, which one of us would be Murdoch,
Speaker 2: which one would be Foggy.
Speaker 1: My appearance, I'm clearly a Foggy, although when it comes
Speaker 1: to lowering, I think I would be the more.
Speaker 2: Spoilers to say what happens in the first episode.
Speaker 1: Well, that's I predicted it, did I not fucking max Domas.
Speaker 1: It's the first thing I've gotten round.
Speaker 2: Quite You're dead, bitch.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Episode one Foggy gets which sets off the whole
Speaker 1: thing for the season. I should say. Daredevil Born Again
Speaker 1: is a Disney Plus original program is rated tvm A.
Speaker 1: It's an action crime drama superhero show. Subgenres here, goo
Speaker 1: tell me which one is your favorite gangst the legal drama,
Speaker 1: legal thriller, martial arts, psychological drama, psychological thriller.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I don't like, superhero because even
Speaker 2: with that, there is a subgenre that goes into it.
Speaker 2: It's not really a superhero show. It's more of the
Speaker 2: street crime, street level vigilante.
Speaker 1: So just regular hero show kind of.
Speaker 2: There's no real superpowers that go into this.
Speaker 1: To see that finale that's shark jumping moment from.
Speaker 2: There's a couple of things. But wouldn't you recommend this
Speaker 2: to someone that does not like superhero stuff?
Speaker 1: I think you could recommend there's someone to someone that
Speaker 1: just likes regular TV. Yes, so that's a good point.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm trying to say, Like, if someone has
Speaker 2: superhero fatigue, which I understand, this is still something that's
Speaker 2: not like that that you can recommend. I would say
Speaker 2: that it's not like I would recommend the penguin to
Speaker 2: a non superhero person over this, but this is this
Speaker 2: is like.
Speaker 1: A regular Guys penguin, a poor guy's penguin. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's nearly the level of entertainment in quality that
Speaker 1: that show achieved.
Speaker 2: But one of those on HBO, though one's on.
Speaker 1: HBO name, the streaming money is all the same these days.
Speaker 1: Don't give me that bullshit.
Speaker 2: Now, because can you think of anything Disney plus wise
Speaker 2: that has gotten anything close to an HBO show? I
Speaker 2: don't care quality control.
Speaker 1: And also like cal Ferrell's great, but like John Burnhal,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: HBO is not even television, it's HBO.
Speaker 1: Goude. This is nine episode a nine episode season, totally
Speaker 1: four hundred and forty six minutes, about forty nine and
Speaker 1: a half minutes per episode and go. We'd be remiss
Speaker 1: if we didn't mention the fact that there were three
Speaker 1: Netflix Daredevil seasons that took place twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen,
Speaker 1: and I believe twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen that were
Speaker 1: that shaped molded this series. It's like loosely connected stuff
Speaker 1: in that kind of mattered, But they're also taking some liberties.
Speaker 1: And we also have seen Daredevil in a couple other
Speaker 1: MCU things now Spider Man no Way Home or Far
Speaker 1: from Home, and we saw him in she Hulk. We've
Speaker 1: also now seen Wilson Fisk and a few MCU things.
Speaker 1: So I don't really know what was supposed to matter
Speaker 1: prior to this seasons.
Speaker 2: Ready for this, Yeah, both everything and nothing.
Speaker 1: And they actually did a decent job of sort of
Speaker 1: theatering that line. And speaking of those aforementioned three Daredevil seasons,
Speaker 1: Goo Season one of Daredevil ninety nine percent from the critics,
Speaker 1: ninety three per.
Speaker 2: Love that the audience love it was one of the.
Speaker 1: First superhero shows, Marvel shows, shows of this new era
Speaker 1: of streaming that really hit hard. You know that just
Speaker 1: Jones season one, but that was before just Jones, so
Speaker 1: it really set the standard for what was to come
Speaker 1: over this past decade. Season two a little bit lower
Speaker 1: than most, even though it's my favorite season of Daredevil.
Speaker 1: Eighty one percent from the critics, eighty nine percent from
Speaker 1: the audience. And season three, where we last left off
Speaker 1: in this Daredevil saga, ninety seven percent from the critics,
Speaker 1: eighty six percent from the audience. So the audience has
Speaker 1: been creeping down a little bit and the critics are
Speaker 1: all over the place. So you could call this season
Speaker 1: four or it's its own thing. It kind of is.
Speaker 1: Eighty seven percent from the critics for Daredevil Born Again,
Speaker 1: eighty one percent from the audience. So, like I said,
Speaker 1: audience has crept down a little bit.
Speaker 2: I also think the audience and I've it's a bit
Speaker 2: of a blind look at it, where certain people just
Speaker 2: don't care for anything that Disney touches and they immediately
Speaker 2: jump on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say though, I do feel like this
Speaker 1: fits in pretty well with the three Netflix see.
Speaker 2: I thought it captured that the show pretty well tonally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it did a good job of that. And speaking
Speaker 1: of that, the metacritics scores season one to three seventy five,
Speaker 1: sixty eight, seventy one. This is a sixty nine, nice
Speaker 1: to sort of in that same tier. It seems like
Speaker 1: season one's head and shoulders above if you go by
Speaker 1: the rating systems. My favorite season is season two. You know,
Speaker 1: you get Punisher. I just think it's electra. I just
Speaker 1: think it's a little bit above the other two.
Speaker 2: And now I think season two is a little overstuffed.
Speaker 2: I thought that season one was the cleanest, Like, hey,
Speaker 2: check out these thirteen episodes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're probably right about that. But that's the
Speaker 1: thing about the Netflix series two twelve thirteen episode seasons
Speaker 1: that just went on for a lot.
Speaker 2: I really like season three too, yea.
Speaker 1: I didn't care for season three. Too much church shop,
Speaker 1: too much mom stuff, just went along.
Speaker 2: It went on for oh you love mom stuff, and
Speaker 2: usually when it's in its church.
Speaker 1: The nice thing is over the years, they've decided and
Speaker 1: the audience has really decided that we prefer these shows
Speaker 1: in that six, seven, eight, nine episode range over twelve thirteen, fourteen, fifteen,
Speaker 1: And I think this did a good job probably being
Speaker 1: the right length. You could even maybe cut a little.
Speaker 2: Bit of Bear's porridge. What I would have loved and
Speaker 2: I think moving forward, this is what I do want
Speaker 2: is ten episodes, but you take two or three episodes
Speaker 2: like you did in the bank robbery episode, and just
Speaker 2: have it be its own, one off half hour and
Speaker 2: have some fun with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like a little more conciseness, and especially at
Speaker 1: the end of the season, I felt like some of
Speaker 1: the things we did during the season were just more
Speaker 1: a distraction. The muse stuff, for example, ended up just
Speaker 1: being like a footnote, which was a little disappointing.
Speaker 2: Slightly a bit of a waste, but it was all
Speaker 2: a part of Fisk's plan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, that's that's it just felt like, you know,
Speaker 1: we were misdirected and went down these certain paths when
Speaker 1: ultimately all we really cared about was what the two
Speaker 1: characters that we've been dealing with the whole time. But
Speaker 1: I guess that's sort of what Fist does qude This
Speaker 1: show is created by Matt Corman and Chris Ord. They
Speaker 1: are writing working duo. They did a show called COVID Affairs.
Speaker 1: I got a bunch of episodes you might know them from,
Speaker 1: and the show runner is Dario Scart Scarred upon a Uh.
Speaker 1: He was the executive producer and maybe a showrunner as
Speaker 1: well on the Punisher series both seasons. Did they get
Speaker 1: a season three Punisher?
Speaker 2: I think just two seasons, and he has an upcoming
Speaker 2: uh not made for TV special but a Disney Plus
Speaker 2: exclusive like eighty minutes. Let's got up on? I think
Speaker 2: fift What is it?
Speaker 1: I thought they said like fifty minutes.
Speaker 2: It's just fifty minutes.
Speaker 1: I think, so, yeah, at least give me an hour.
Speaker 2: I would say, yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: Got upon a on top of Punisher has done the
Speaker 1: Krazinski Jack Ryan stuff on Amazon, which I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people have liked. Dude. Synopsis of Daredevil Born Again,
Speaker 1: Matt Murdoch finds himself on a collision course with Wilson
Speaker 1: Fisk when their past identities begin to emerge. So, like
Speaker 1: we have talked about a few minutes ago, this series
Speaker 1: starts at a point where Matt Murdoch knows who Wilson
Speaker 1: Fisk is and you know what he's doing. Wilson Fisk
Speaker 1: knows that Daredevil is Matt Murdoch. It like Cassera on
Speaker 1: the Bag. But outside of that, not much that had
Speaker 1: happened in the prior three seasons really plays here, except
Speaker 1: for some bullseyes.
Speaker 2: Well, Murdoch knows that Fisk is up to something, and
Speaker 2: you need to know their backstory a bit so that
Speaker 2: you aren't thinking that Murdoch is just obsessed with Fisk,
Speaker 2: like his girlfriend on the show where she doesn't know
Speaker 2: their past history, just that Matt was a lawyer that
Speaker 2: had put him in jail. So she's like, why is
Speaker 2: he so obsessed with Fisk?
Speaker 1: Why you're so obsessed with me? By the way, that
Speaker 1: that that was Mariah Carey's just to Eminem and I
Speaker 1: didn't I didn't care for that team Eminem on that
Speaker 1: this ship.
Speaker 2: I'm a lamb, Isn't that what she calls her people?
Speaker 1: Lambs, lamb chop.
Speaker 2: Lamb chops, this show lamb CHOP's play along.
Speaker 1: Great show, great television program.
Speaker 2: The song that never ends that.
Speaker 1: Says as this show stars Goot Charlie Cox is Matt
Speaker 1: Murdock slash Daredevil, Margharita Levieva as Heather Glenn, the psychologist
Speaker 1: girlfriend of Matt Mardoch, Vincentinofriel as Wilson Fisher Wilson Fisk,
Speaker 1: Vanessa Jania Walton as Bbi Urik. She's like the studo
Speaker 1: independent journalist.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna need more out of her in season two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't care.
Speaker 2: They gave us the tip of what they're going for
Speaker 2: with her. Yeah, is she in the last couple episodes?
Speaker 1: No, just the BB footage was, but she I think
Speaker 1: she gets credited for it. Alreadie Fruition as Buck Cashman.
Speaker 1: This is one of Wilson's right hand men in city Hall.
Speaker 1: And by the way, Wilson Fisk is Mayor Fisk in
Speaker 1: this show.
Speaker 2: If you did also, I'll give him credit for this.
Speaker 2: One episode was the election period, and he's right in office.
Speaker 2: I was expecting at the start of the show to
Speaker 2: have half of the season of him either running for office,
Speaker 2: or even the full season of just the election time.
Speaker 2: That got it all out of the way.
Speaker 1: Credit to them, Yeah, I we'll get to that. I
Speaker 1: haven't like, sort of fucking confused as to what the
Speaker 1: hell is going on in the MCU right now. Street
Speaker 1: level wise. Nicky m James as Kirsten McDuffie. This is
Speaker 1: Matt Murdoch's lawyer partner. I at Zurr as Vanessa Fisk.
Speaker 1: That's the wife of Wilson. Michael Gandafini, James's son plays
Speaker 1: Daniel Blake sort of an understudy to Wilson Fisk here.
Speaker 1: That's sort of what he pack.
Speaker 2: Win Junior reminded me of the of the younger Penguin
Speaker 2: from The Penguin Show. Mama User deserves so much of better.
Speaker 1: Zabrina Grivara as Sheila Rivera. She is like the one
Speaker 1: person in office working against him. Then you have those
Speaker 1: two son of a bitch motherfucker New York City Cops
Speaker 1: Clark Johnson as Cherry, Hamish Allan Hedley's Powell. They're great
Speaker 1: as especially Hamish Allan Hedley as Powell, real great son
Speaker 1: of a bitches. They fucking nail that role. Great great casting.
Speaker 1: Rubo Kean Quon as Detective Angie Kim. She is someone
Speaker 1: in the police force that is Nototi. Yeah, and I'm
Speaker 1: sure she has a role in the comics that I
Speaker 1: don't know. Michael Gaston as Chief Gallo. He also is
Speaker 1: not working for Fisk. And then go some of the
Speaker 1: more notable characters here that aren't in the full season,
Speaker 1: but they pop up. Hunter Dowan has as Muse, has
Speaker 1: a couple episode arc that was pretty good. I was
Speaker 1: really invested in the Meuse stuff, and then it sort
Speaker 1: of goes away. Deborah an Woll of course pops up
Speaker 1: as Karen in a few episodes. Wilson Bethel as Benjamin
Speaker 1: Poindexter slash Bullseye. I feel like they didn't really know
Speaker 1: how to use him. So you get the stuff at
Speaker 1: the book end here. He's obviously gonna play a part
Speaker 1: going forward, but it was a little confusing.
Speaker 2: The new show runners redid the first episode and the
Speaker 2: last two episodes, and then they had to play with
Speaker 2: the middle ones, and that's really where Poindexter is.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I guess, I guess that makes sense there.
Speaker 1: And to Goo's point, this show was originally imagined and
Speaker 1: imagined as a one season seventeen or eighteen episode season
Speaker 1: of television. It went through extensive rewrites and reshoots. It
Speaker 1: was supposed to come out two or three years ago.
Speaker 1: This is what we got. They've already confirmed of season two,
Speaker 1: which is coming out next March, so one year after
Speaker 1: this show. John Burnhal as Frank Castle slash Punisher. Every
Speaker 1: time he pops up, he's the best character on the screen.
Speaker 2: Plemonade.
Speaker 1: You root so hort for him? Yeah, like easy plumonade.
Speaker 1: And then a couple of characters, well, one I hope
Speaker 1: we get going forward here. So Kamar de los Reis
Speaker 1: was hector Ia White Tiger, who plays a part in
Speaker 1: the first few episodes, and then his niece Sola dad
Speaker 1: Isola played by Ashley Marie Ortiz, I think takes up
Speaker 1: the mantle of White Tiger in the comics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she's obviously gonna be in season two and
Speaker 2: moving forward with what they try and get done with
Speaker 2: this show.
Speaker 1: So there's a number of more characters that kind of
Speaker 1: play a factor in here, and to that point, it
Speaker 1: is a pretty in depth television show. They're really working
Speaker 1: on developing a lot of characters to play in a second,
Speaker 1: maybe a third, fourth, fifth season. So I gotta give
Speaker 1: him credit for that. However, if you were tuning in
Speaker 1: to this season of television for like some smashing, kick
Speaker 1: ass Daredevil stuff, a good portion of the season lacked that.
Speaker 2: He wasn't Daredevil for a couple episodes. And when I
Speaker 2: say a couple episodes, I would say four to five episodes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again we already talked about it. You know,
Speaker 1: in the very first episode Foggy, Foggy gets got and
Speaker 1: so he hangs up the mantle because he basically is
Speaker 1: convinced that Foggy got killed because he's Daredevil.
Speaker 2: No, he also crossed his own line.
Speaker 1: Yes, right, Yeah, he threw Pointdexter off the building, which
Speaker 1: should have killed him. I don't understand.
Speaker 2: I also survived that the imagery of him throwing him
Speaker 2: off the building so nonchalantly, I laughed so fucking hard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are a couple of goofy things in this series.
Speaker 1: I do like that they did a little more of
Speaker 1: the Daredevil web slinging with his with his uh sticks,
Speaker 1: his nuton chucks. I like that shit. I just this
Speaker 1: is supposed to be so street level, right, and there's
Speaker 1: no real superhuman stuff. Although Daredevil has an ability, Point
Speaker 1: Dexter surviving that fall in the first episode.
Speaker 2: Blew my mind after he had just broken his back
Speaker 2: a year or two earlier.
Speaker 1: Ridiculous. And then there's something that happens in the finale
Speaker 1: Goo that's even more ridiculous.
Speaker 2: There's a couple of things in the finale that really
Speaker 2: you have to stretch how someone can serve things yeah.
Speaker 1: Or kill someone in a certain way.
Speaker 2: Or they're able to just walk around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or take a bullet in a certain area of
Speaker 1: the body, and you're good, like.
Speaker 2: Oh you okay, good. So you might have more experience
Speaker 2: than me with this, because I have zero experience. I
Speaker 2: have very of So when a bulletproof vest is shot,
Speaker 2: the material of the vest is now compromised and it
Speaker 2: no longer works correct.
Speaker 1: That's not necessarily true, it'll it won't work to its
Speaker 1: full guarantee, almost like bulletproof glass, like once it takes
Speaker 1: a few hits, it can become compromised. If you were
Speaker 1: to get shot in a very close location to where
Speaker 1: the initial shot was, that might make it through. There's
Speaker 1: also certain animal that is going to just get through
Speaker 1: certain bulletproof vests. And also when you get shot in
Speaker 1: a bulletproof vest, it still fucking hurts. You still feel
Speaker 1: the impact, there's just no penetration. So there's all sorts
Speaker 1: of stuff, and there's all sorts of different you know,
Speaker 1: bulletproof vests, So that stuff, I'm kind of.
Speaker 2: A If you're shot like six or seven times in
Speaker 2: a bulletproof vest.
Speaker 1: It's gonna hurt a lot. But if you're if it's right,
Speaker 1: it's probably it's probably not gonna get compromised. Okay, But
Speaker 1: if it's a rifle, a larger gun, maybe there's I
Speaker 1: don't know enough to speak fully on that, but you
Speaker 1: have a certain point there, you have you definitely have
Speaker 1: a point to be made, Vanessa.
Speaker 2: I can listen to Vincentinafrio breathe heavy and say, Vanessa
Speaker 2: for hours, do.
Speaker 1: You gotta run through the the old gauntlet here?
Speaker 2: Yes? I would. Fun factor. I think this show, while
Speaker 2: you think might have taken its time on certain things,
Speaker 2: I believe that it's still had the fun action pieces
Speaker 2: that we really enjoyed about the original show. I don't
Speaker 2: think anything touched what we got from season one in
Speaker 2: the hallway or season two in the stair uh stairwell staircase.
Speaker 2: But there were three or four fight scenes on this show,
Speaker 2: whether it be the first episode where bulls Eyev Daredevil,
Speaker 2: or it's just Matt fighting cops, or the stuff that
Speaker 2: they give us at the end. I don't want to
Speaker 2: say what goes on, but there's still a bunch of fun.
Speaker 2: I also, while I do think he might be disbarred,
Speaker 2: I enjoy Matt in the fucking courtroom too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I there's definitely fun to be had. It's not consistent,
Speaker 1: but when it pops up, it's great. Now, this might
Speaker 1: be speaking more to the satisfactory, so maybe we could
Speaker 1: roll into that.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: No, I really enjoyed that at points this was a
Speaker 1: bit procedural law stuff like it really. I just I
Speaker 1: think this show rounded out Matt Murdoch better than the
Speaker 1: Netflix shows did. The Daredevil stuff might have been better
Speaker 1: in the Netflix stuff. I enjoyed a little bit more
Speaker 1: of lawyer Matt Murdoch getting tied up in certain things
Speaker 1: that all also complicates the Daredevil stuff. Like in the
Speaker 1: Netflix shows, we didn't see a lot of in court stuff.
Speaker 1: We saw them in the law office.
Speaker 2: Well, the season two was a lot of in stuff
Speaker 2: with Frank Castle.
Speaker 1: It's my favorite season of the show. Goose or what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about here, here's what I was a lawyer.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 1: I like when things in the world are affecting both
Speaker 1: lawyer Matt and Daredevil. I like that intersection. I like
Speaker 1: that crossover. This season has a bunch of that. Season
Speaker 1: two had a bunch of that. These might be my
Speaker 1: two favorite seasons of the show. I just felt like
Speaker 1: as a show, from episode to episode, this worked really well.
Speaker 1: Now the Highs, well, you know what, there's a couple
Speaker 1: of great moments in this show. The highs might not
Speaker 1: be as consistently high as the other three seasons, but
Speaker 1: I felt like the pulse of the show, the beat,
Speaker 1: was maybe the best of the four seasons.
Speaker 2: Was that your satisfactor, Yeah, it's satisfying. I was super satisfied.
Speaker 2: I was. I mean, you're bringing the show back with
Speaker 2: a bunch of actors that we liked a decade ago.
Speaker 2: They all pretty much look the exact same, the characters
Speaker 2: still feel the exact same. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's satisfying to have a consistent beat
Speaker 1: and not way a ton of time, which the Netflix
Speaker 1: shows did because you had twelve thirteen episode seasons.
Speaker 2: Also, the bank heist episode I had so much fun with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a very good episode.
Speaker 2: Borometer a little ticky in the fact that not only
Speaker 2: is it repetitive at points for itself in this season,
Speaker 2: but they do borrow a lot from the original three
Speaker 2: seasons of the show, especially when dealing with you know,
Speaker 2: how Matt feels about killing or the whole vigilanteism and
Speaker 2: hiding behind a mask, Like they've kind of touched on
Speaker 2: that stuff in the past yet so.
Speaker 1: To that point in the moment while watching the season,
Speaker 1: I wasn't like bored, But by the end of the season,
Speaker 1: I didn't care as much as as to what was
Speaker 1: gonna happen because we are in the fourth season and
Speaker 1: we now sort of know that none of this really
Speaker 1: has big ramifications on other stuff. So I enjoyed it
Speaker 1: as a.
Speaker 2: Television show about other stuff, though, but big.
Speaker 1: Picture stuff, like I know it's not gonna matter tons,
Speaker 1: So I didn't really care a ton what happened in
Speaker 1: the finale, If that makes sense.
Speaker 2: We can talk about that during the finale Halloween. Will
Speaker 2: this show wane over time? No, I'm feeling pretty good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah it will.
Speaker 2: Oh you think it will?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean we're not gonna rewin.
Speaker 2: What do you think is pointing you in that direction?
Speaker 1: I just don't think there's a lot of rewatchability here,
Speaker 1: and they don't go out of their way to like
Speaker 1: give us a huge cameo or anything like that, which
Speaker 1: again makes it a good television show. But you're not
Speaker 1: going to pop back and say, oh, I want to
Speaker 1: watch this for this reason.
Speaker 2: Pish pish to you our quater world. Is this better
Speaker 2: than water Worlds? Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is definitely.
Speaker 2: Pants ten City Excite, Mike Mania, What got you going
Speaker 2: anything with Frank Castle. And then there are two or
Speaker 2: three fight scenes in this, like I said, doesn't top
Speaker 2: the heights of the original Daredevil show on Netflix, but
Speaker 2: some of the fight scenes in this are still pretty dope.
Speaker 1: We get like a ten minute scene in the finale
Speaker 1: involving Punisher, involving Daredevil. It's fucking phenomenal, really great, and
Speaker 1: like you wanted. I know you can't do that every episode,
Speaker 1: but every time you get that, you're like, this is
Speaker 1: what I want.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about something from that episode. We get the spoilers.
Speaker 2: There was one line that he said. I was like,
Speaker 2: that's really fucking funny. Plemonade. When life gives you plembin's
Speaker 2: you make plemonade. I enjoyed. Of course Castle also in
Speaker 2: the little that we got from Karen, I thought that
Speaker 2: Karen was pretty good in this too.
Speaker 1: I like a dialed back Karen. I agree, because if
Speaker 1: you go back and listen to our reviews of the
Speaker 1: other stuff, I'm not a Karen guy at all. They
Speaker 1: give her too much and I don't think she's great actress.
Speaker 1: She does a good job in her few moments here.
Speaker 1: Of course, John Bernhal as Frank Castle's fucking awesome. I
Speaker 1: also really loved Kamar Dallas Rais's Hector Ayala. He was
Speaker 1: fucking great, great, great, and I'm bummed, you know, they
Speaker 1: had to do him the way they had to do him,
Speaker 1: But I wish we got a little bit more of him,
Speaker 1: because that character's cool and he was great.
Speaker 2: Also, judging by car Aron's heartbeat, I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 2: if she wants to get a little something from two gentlemen,
Speaker 2: if you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, a little life. It's our situation.
Speaker 2: Head off to France if you know what I'm talking about,
Speaker 2: Max Credit Union.
Speaker 1: It's almost too easy to give it to Charlie Cox.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it to the show creators, the show
Speaker 1: runner here Scartapane, Corman and Ords for recapturing the yesen
Speaker 1: of the original show and really, even though it's not
Speaker 1: one hundred pc connected, making it feel like it fits
Speaker 1: in with the other seasons of television that everyone loved.
Speaker 1: So I truly think that was quite the accomplishment.
Speaker 2: Also, having no idea what was in the original show
Speaker 2: and what they did, granted we saw a bunch of
Speaker 2: the shots that they use and cut it down to
Speaker 2: the nine episodes. But for them to watch it and
Speaker 2: be like, this is shit, we need to fix this.
Speaker 2: Credit to them, Yeah, credit to them.
Speaker 1: Seriously, they don't the thing. People and studios and people
Speaker 1: with power do that enough, admit they're wrong and fucking
Speaker 1: redo it.
Speaker 2: For those of you target to the Mac and Goo party,
Speaker 2: we rate everything on a forty hot dog rating system. Mac,
Speaker 2: we are once again dealing with a crisis of identity,
Speaker 2: not only with Matt but with Fisk as well. Both
Speaker 2: of them do realize by the end we know who
Speaker 2: we are. The constant ying and yang of Matt and
Speaker 2: Fisk in this show, and even how they would go
Speaker 2: from one scene to another, when it goes from a
Speaker 2: Matt scene to a fifth scene, it would almost be
Speaker 2: like they would flip the screen over so that one
Speaker 2: was looking down, one is looking up. One's more of
Speaker 2: a heavenly character at the time, one is more of
Speaker 2: a hellish character at the time. I really like how
Speaker 2: they played with that the show, how it looked almost
Speaker 2: like it was drained of color, like say, Muse drained
Speaker 2: all the blood from the show, and it just seemed
Speaker 2: kind of dull. But I liked that look and how
Speaker 2: it showed that it wasn't just the original Netflix show
Speaker 2: that was a little oversatched in its color. So it
Speaker 2: felt like the same show, but it didn't look like
Speaker 2: the same show. Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, they definitely made a conscious choice something with
Speaker 1: lenses or editing where they like purposefully made it feel
Speaker 1: darker in bleeding of color. To use your muse analogy.
Speaker 2: They let Matt take his time to be born again.
Speaker 2: We didn't just like he didn't just hang it up
Speaker 2: and then an episode later, you know what, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: put it back.
Speaker 1: On, and truly, you know, speaking to what we've already
Speaker 1: mentioned to remain spoiled free here for a second, it's
Speaker 1: like a new version of Daredevil we get by the
Speaker 1: end of this season. You know, it's a rejuvenated or
Speaker 1: re energize or changed version of the character we've seen
Speaker 1: over the years.
Speaker 2: It kept the feel of the original show along with
Speaker 2: its heart and how Matt feels about his friends. I
Speaker 2: really enjoyed that, but it also borrowed some of the
Speaker 2: themes of do I kill? Do I want to kill?
Speaker 2: The whole vigilante thing of hiding behind a mask? Is
Speaker 2: that the true or are you hiding the true you
Speaker 2: and Fisk breathing lots of Fisk breathing. I enjoyed my
Speaker 2: time and I want to say thirty five hot dogs.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Yeah, you're you're a little higher on
Speaker 1: it than I am. It's a nice b plus, you've
Speaker 1: been consistently higher on Daredevils Is to Jump than me.
Speaker 1: I've never he's won me over. Now I love I
Speaker 1: like Charlie Cox and his dedication. I have never liked
Speaker 1: Vincent Naffriel's Winston Wilson Fisk. I'm just dealing with him.
Speaker 2: I can't wait until he finds you and fucking crushes
Speaker 2: your head.
Speaker 1: I think the worst thing about this season of television
Speaker 1: is probably Vincentinoffriel. Like I liked him, though, I just
Speaker 1: don't like and we've now totally in the MCU had
Speaker 1: like three different Fisks, Like I.
Speaker 2: Just have some shows that he's appeared in.
Speaker 1: He's been figuring out, like which Fisk is the one
Speaker 1: that should matter, and like they almost go too far
Speaker 1: past to like try to redeem him in this season
Speaker 1: because he's like vulnerable and the last two times we
Speaker 1: saw him he was sort of vulnerable and more human
Speaker 1: less animal. This season, he's he's more animalistic, more ruthless,
Speaker 1: and I suppose maybe that's what they want. But like,
Speaker 1: there's no chemistry at all between him and Vanessa. You
Speaker 1: don't feel like he actually loves Vanessa, and that is
Speaker 1: different from the Netflix show.
Speaker 2: I agree with you. There there's something missing between the
Speaker 2: two of them. And maybe it's just that it's the
Speaker 2: distance that they had that to season three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe and maybe that's natural, Maybe that's intentional
Speaker 1: how they're supposed to. Maybe they're just dealing with each
Speaker 1: other now. But the essence of his character in the
Speaker 1: Netflix show is he's doing everything for Vanessa, and now
Speaker 1: it's different now. Maybe again, maybe that's what they want.
Speaker 1: I just didn't care for it. I just do not
Speaker 1: care for him as Wilson Fisk. Every other character we
Speaker 1: got pretty good, pretty good. I was entertained for most
Speaker 1: of the season. I love when John Bernhalt pops up.
Speaker 1: I thought the show was consistently good, not great. I
Speaker 1: also felt like Heather Glenn, the girlfriend, you knew something
Speaker 1: that was up with her from the jump. I didn't think,
Speaker 1: so I'll take this back and said everyone else pretty good.
Speaker 1: She was just okay to me. I didn't love her.
Speaker 2: Her hair had too much life.
Speaker 1: So I was thinking like thirty two to thirty four
Speaker 1: when I was trying to frame it, I'll go smack
Speaker 1: dab in the middle on a thirty three there like
Speaker 1: a B minus. It's a good show. It fits in
Speaker 1: with the prior Daredevil stuff. I would imagine I was
Speaker 1: right around there. I didn't look up my old reviews
Speaker 1: for the other three seasons of Daredevil. I think they're all.
Speaker 1: I think one, two, and four are somewhat in the
Speaker 1: same range for me, and I think season three is
Speaker 1: a tier below those three.
Speaker 2: So what you're telling me is that your favorite season
Speaker 2: is the one where Fisk pops up for like two scenes,
Speaker 2: and the season that you dislike the most is the
Speaker 2: one where they brought him back. Yes, okay, all right,
Speaker 2: Mac Mac is sick of Kingpin. That's pretty I just.
Speaker 1: Don't care for Dinafrio's Kingpin. I just don't.
Speaker 2: All right, shall we spoil.
Speaker 1: Let's get to it spilier spoilers.
Speaker 2: And I feel like, if you are gonna work on
Speaker 2: this h on this plot of land that has no jurisdiction,
Speaker 2: that is not controlled by New York, by the government,
Speaker 2: and Fisk is running this pen as you would call it,
Speaker 2: with his little jail cells. In the instructional video when
Speaker 2: he hires you, the first thing it says is that
Speaker 2: we know that you're gonna want to shake Frank Castle's hand.
Speaker 2: You need to with all of your power, resist shaking
Speaker 2: Frank Castle's hand.
Speaker 1: So the post credits scene, if some of you missed it,
Speaker 1: didn't stick around for the end of the finale here.
Speaker 2: No, but doesny Plus put it out there for us
Speaker 2: and let us know, because at the bottom it said
Speaker 2: skip credits. So you said there must be something after
Speaker 2: these something here.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So once again, if you're wondering how Frank Castle's
Speaker 1: spin off one off from Scartapane is going to be,
Speaker 1: we get a little introduction to it here. Frank Castle
Speaker 1: tricks a goon into coming close and he fucking well
Speaker 1: gets him. Presume we presume he got the keys escapes.
Speaker 1: But I didn't mind it because the people that are
Speaker 1: like lining up to help Fisk or fucking dummies, they're goons,
Speaker 1: they're morons, and they idolize Frank Castle. So it works,
Speaker 1: you know, Like I know, it's a dumb decision, a
Speaker 1: dumb goon, but because of the context, it actually works.
Speaker 2: And this does set up his fifty minute special. I
Speaker 2: saw screen Crush talking about maybe him running through Magipoor,
Speaker 2: him just trying to take out all these crime bosses
Speaker 2: as something which would be a fun fifty minutes, or
Speaker 2: maybe it's just him going to get a bite to eat.
Speaker 1: Just ordering off the menu.
Speaker 2: Has been really sitting. He's like, I'm pretty hungry. I've
Speaker 2: been in a I've been in a little cage for
Speaker 2: a while, I was chained up. I want to get
Speaker 2: myself a hido.
Speaker 1: Now. I don't know uh shit about the comics, so
Speaker 1: hopefully one of our listeners can chime and maybe doctor Fryar,
Speaker 1: is there a comic run where this Mayor Fisk has
Speaker 1: like a jail in his house like that.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure about that, but Fryar and maybe we
Speaker 2: should have had Fryar on to talk about this. But
Speaker 2: Fryar has told me many times that the run of
Speaker 2: Mayor Fisk is quite a good run.
Speaker 1: So speaking of Mayor Fisk, he declares martial law at
Speaker 1: the end of this series, and now I'm curious because
Speaker 1: they have moved but coming up very soon in the Thunderbolts,
Speaker 1: Valentine is going to be based in New York City,
Speaker 1: and we have a lot of heroes that are attached
Speaker 1: to New York City, most notably Spider Man. It feels
Speaker 1: almost like they're doing too much here because when we
Speaker 1: get to the Avengers level stuff, we're not even gonna
Speaker 1: be t about martial law in New York City. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: So Spider Man is the only Avenger.
Speaker 1: She doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Spider Man is the only Avenger that I feel like
Speaker 2: would care about the street level, what the mayor is
Speaker 2: doing stuff. All the other Avengers might have their hands full.
Speaker 1: Well that that's what I mean here by the end
Speaker 1: of this finale, where I almost just like don't even
Speaker 1: care that martial law is going on New York City.
Speaker 1: Like we're on a galactic level now, you know, Like
Speaker 1: I we got bigger threats than fucking Wilson Fisk running
Speaker 1: amuck in New York City. So I do think maybe
Speaker 1: there's a cool Spider Man story coming around the corner
Speaker 1: involving this, But for the most part, I'm like.
Speaker 2: We've already talked about this. I don't think Spider Man
Speaker 2: can be in live action Disney shows, and I don't
Speaker 2: think that Fisk is allowed to be in movies. So
Speaker 2: they're like, even, what are we doing?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think contractually that's how we bothered.
Speaker 1: I'm bothered by like this In New York.
Speaker 2: City, Daredevil wants to form a team, and his team
Speaker 2: is going to be Jess Jones, Punisher Moonnight.
Speaker 1: Okay, at the end there, when they're framing his team,
Speaker 1: what a mistake not to have Kristin Ritter as Jess
Speaker 1: Jones pop up in that bar, right, that would have
Speaker 1: been a great pop and a perfect tease. She doesn't
Speaker 1: even need her show coming back, but for her to
Speaker 1: play a part that would have been cool, and like,
Speaker 1: that's where Jess Jones would be hole in the wall bar,
Speaker 1: Like didn't it feel like they were framing it that
Speaker 1: way too, Like, well, here's the bartender, here's the hostage negotiator,
Speaker 1: and then they're sort of turning. You're like, is Jess
Speaker 1: Jones gonna be there?
Speaker 2: I mean she is in the second season. We've already
Speaker 2: seen stills of that. My curiosity would be the other
Speaker 2: two defenders cage and then also so I've seen Moonnight
Speaker 2: as a possible person that could team up with them
Speaker 2: some other smaller scale street level guys that could team
Speaker 2: up with them. I'm curious, and Friar brought her up
Speaker 2: as a possible tease that could happen in the finale,
Speaker 2: and I forget where they left off with her in
Speaker 2: the Netflix show with Electra.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so she They basically don't even talk about her
Speaker 1: in season three if I recall that correctly, They just
Speaker 1: like sort of skip past.
Speaker 2: Doesn't she die in season two? And then she's brought
Speaker 2: back to life and the Defenders.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they like the hand like resurrector sort of right.
Speaker 1: That's why season three of Daredevil's not great.
Speaker 2: You know who should play Electra? Carmen Electra. Heyo, we're in,
Speaker 2: We're both out.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not even gonna go down that path
Speaker 1: because we're never gonna see Daredevil on the big screen.
Speaker 2: So we already have. He was in Spider Man No
Speaker 2: Way Home.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm like, I'm like, you know what, I
Speaker 1: I enjoy these shows. I'm never gonna love these shows
Speaker 1: because they're fucking meaningless, I guess for lack of a
Speaker 1: better term.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but remember that sweet fight scene and matt apartment
Speaker 2: with the cops. That was great with the Punisher.
Speaker 1: Son of a bitch. Cops really got what we're coming
Speaker 1: to him.
Speaker 2: That was my favorite line when uh, when the Punisher
Speaker 2: goes to kill him and he's like, no, don't kill him.
Speaker 2: Frank like the least amount of effort in his voice
Speaker 2: to be like, like in the past, he would have
Speaker 2: used his stick with the rope on it to like
Speaker 2: hit the gun or stop Frank from killing someone. And
Speaker 2: this is like, now, Frank, don't kill that guy.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, that was that one, So Frank shoots
Speaker 1: the other one would have bought that.
Speaker 2: No, that was a great scene.
Speaker 1: That ten minutes where they're fighting off like the ambush
Speaker 1: is fucking awesome. And then Frank versus all the goons
Speaker 1: at the end was awesome. I just love burnt All's
Speaker 1: Punisher is as much as like Charlie Cox's Daredevil works
Speaker 1: Like Burntal when he grunts is like, fucking ugh, it's great.
Speaker 2: So that, but Charlie Cox is always grunting too and
Speaker 2: going to.
Speaker 1: That yeah, so that. The bank robbery episode episode five
Speaker 1: is great and really kicks back in like into gear. Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gotta be Daredevil again, we gotta start doing shot again.
Speaker 2: That felt like a great Saturday morning television show one
Speaker 2: off of like, hey, let's have this bankives. We're gonna
Speaker 2: have the superhero save it. The one note that I
Speaker 2: would give them stop mentioning Kamala Khan. Stop mentioning miss Marvel.
Speaker 2: We know that's her dad. And even if they didn't
Speaker 2: mention her, they just showed the little funko pop on
Speaker 2: the desk and the dad just kind of mentioned having
Speaker 2: a daughter. That's really all you needed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a fine little time. But we know
Speaker 1: Kamala Khan is not gonna pop in on Daredevil. So
Speaker 1: it's like, like, that's why I kind of wanted the
Speaker 1: Jeff Jones thing at the end, because you know he's
Speaker 1: not gonna cross over with anyone, which is again why
Speaker 1: this is all kind of meaningless, But I digress. We
Speaker 1: get the bank robbers episode, then we get the Mute,
Speaker 1: the two mus episodes. Fascinating character, really cool, really cool
Speaker 1: little layer. The stakes were kind of high, and then
Speaker 1: he's just gone. We don't deal with Mus at all,
Speaker 1: and the same way why Tiger gets got So they
Speaker 1: are just essentially distracts and the Daredevil versus Fisk, you know,
Speaker 1: Gautlet we have.
Speaker 2: Here plays into all of these vigilantes being lumped together though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, and we get the episode eight now, goo, Honestly,
Speaker 1: I need any an honest opinion here. Why in the
Speaker 1: world would Matt Murdoch aka Daredevil jump in the way
Speaker 1: of a bullet that would kill Wilson Fisk and solve
Speaker 1: all of his problem?
Speaker 2: Do you want my serious answer or my joke card?
Speaker 1: I want both?
Speaker 2: Okay, So the first one is I think it's because
Speaker 2: he just found out that Vanessa was the person who
Speaker 2: put out the hit on Foggy Nelson, So.
Speaker 1: Stop right there. Yes, if Vanessa was getting shot, would
Speaker 1: he have allowed Vanessa to be killed?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: All his problems would be solved if these motherfuckers were killed?
Speaker 2: Or are you John? That's what he said, episod don't understand.
Speaker 1: So again, I'm trying not to get too bothered by
Speaker 1: it because it's meaningless. It's meanless, meaningless, meanless. Why are
Speaker 1: we gearing back up for with a team at the
Speaker 1: end to fight Fisk when you could have just fucking
Speaker 1: let him die. He could have let him die.
Speaker 2: Do you think it's one of those things where Matt
Speaker 2: doesn't want someone else to kill Fisk. He wants to
Speaker 2: be the one that takes care of him.
Speaker 1: He's had plenty of opportunities to kill.
Speaker 2: Fisk, He's biding his time. Do you think it's a
Speaker 2: Batman Joker thing where you know, Batman does want to
Speaker 2: put the Joker away, but he also kind of needs
Speaker 2: him to fuel him.
Speaker 1: I mean, how many years in now do we need
Speaker 1: for Matt to realize the legal system is not gonna
Speaker 1: take care of Wilson Fisk.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's just like it's a subconscious thing of if
Speaker 2: he gets rid of Wilson Fisk, then there's gonna be
Speaker 2: nothing that keeps him as Daredevil, Like he's not gonna
Speaker 2: want to be Daredevil anymore, and he needs Fisk to
Speaker 2: fuel him.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I just I don't I don't get why.
Speaker 2: How is my joke card? By the way, that was
Speaker 2: the answer.
Speaker 1: I don't get why. Like if Fits died, like everything
Speaker 1: would be better for everyone, and Matt doesn't let him die.
Speaker 1: And to me, that's where I lost interest in what
Speaker 1: was gonna happen in the finale. I loved that we
Speaker 1: got cool Daredevil and Punisher moments. I didn't give a
Speaker 1: fuck what was gonna happen, but what did happen? Which,
Speaker 1: again I don't understand what he can and can't do.
Speaker 1: Wilson Fisk could just break a guy's whole head.
Speaker 2: Now, I love it. He's done that in the past.
Speaker 1: I mean, what are we doing? What are we doing?
Speaker 2: You saw Halloween when Michael Meyers stepped on that.
Speaker 1: I understand anything about that character.
Speaker 2: He turned that man's head into cake.
Speaker 1: I just I just can't keep I'm just gonna keep
Speaker 1: watching against this series and enjoying it anywhere from thirty
Speaker 1: to thirty four Dogs and being like, yeah, there were
Speaker 1: some good moments. Yeah, it's it's good.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question, and maybe this is obvious,
Speaker 2: and I'm just a fucking idiot. Did Fisk know the
Speaker 2: whole time that that port was an open land and
Speaker 2: this was always his end goal? Or he stumbled upon
Speaker 2: it while in office?
Speaker 1: I don't know. And I feel like they didn't spend
Speaker 1: enough time on that because it's this big sort of reveal,
Speaker 1: even though the audience already knows.
Speaker 2: I don't know, And I was listening back to the
Speaker 2: conversation and I'm like, if he knew the whole time
Speaker 2: and this was his big sweeping plan to bring Vanessa
Speaker 2: back toward him Like that kind of makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess you're right about that. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm just so uninterested in the him and Vanessa stuff
Speaker 1: because they seem uninterested.
Speaker 2: It's kind of tough, you know, when you have to
Speaker 2: keep on impressing your wife with cool, open barges that
Speaker 2: you can.
Speaker 1: Yeah, with fucking live stock in your basement.
Speaker 2: I don't think she loves him.
Speaker 1: I I she certainly does not love.
Speaker 2: Him, And I also so I also thought that she
Speaker 2: let Poindexter go to first off kill Foggy Nelson, but
Speaker 2: also as a thing of like, if she kills Fisk,
Speaker 2: what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: Right? And that's I know, you lose one of your
Speaker 1: central characters. That's a much more interesting story.
Speaker 2: Ifa is the one that kills him.
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you goose. That writes itself.
Speaker 2: Also, so Bullseye shoots at Fisk's chest, I would say, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's not an effective shot, is it? You want to
Speaker 2: shoot for his head, right?
Speaker 1: I mean a headshot would be better. But then Matt
Speaker 1: Murdock can't jump that high to save you.
Speaker 2: No, Hi, Matt can jump Mac and leap. Matt can
Speaker 2: do flips.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's interesting that a man named Bullseye who
Speaker 1: canonically can hit anything he wants.
Speaker 2: It and everything on this show, he's nailed everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know why you wouldn't shoot him right
Speaker 1: through the eyeball right, makes no sense, But cinematically, Matt
Speaker 1: can't do this dive across and get shot in the chest,
Speaker 1: you know, So that's why that happens.
Speaker 2: Oh, you know, my favorite part of the entire show
Speaker 2: was Okay, So in the finale, so the Punisher shows up.
Speaker 2: He's shaven, he has a nice haircut, and Matt points
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, and you're also wearing aftershave.
Speaker 2: And that was all because Karen was coming back and
Speaker 2: he wanted to look good for Karen. I fucking love
Speaker 2: that he wants the fuck Yeah, but does he He
Speaker 2: has a connection to her, but he also doesn't want
Speaker 2: to do anything with her because he doesn't want to
Speaker 2: forget about his family. And if he does fuck her,
Speaker 2: he's gonna forget about his family, like all of us.
Speaker 1: Memory loss that post not clarity memory.
Speaker 2: Like did I have children and a wife?
Speaker 1: What was I doing this whole thing? Oh?
Speaker 2: Can you imagine if he doesn't. He's like, why am I?
Speaker 2: Why am I punishing?
Speaker 1: What am I? Why am I wearing this? I don't
Speaker 1: even like black?
Speaker 2: What is this skull on my shirt? Who am I? Sid?
Speaker 2: I really like the show.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: I don't love it as much as the original show,
Speaker 2: but I love what they were going for, and I
Speaker 2: think that they're gonna do better in season two.
Speaker 1: I could give a fuck with him? Is the wolfson Fisk?
Speaker 1: At this point? I just want to see Punisher and
Speaker 1: Daredevil do cool shit?
Speaker 2: Is there anything else from this episode that we forgot?
Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm sure there's a number of things.
Speaker 2: Okay, Oh, Foggy's dead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Foggy's dead. Cat.
Speaker 2: That was a great scene too. Is that Matt is
Speaker 2: fighting Bullseye while listening to Foggy's heartbeat?
Speaker 1: And I thought it was a good way to get
Speaker 1: you into the show again, you know, good like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: the stakes have been raised from the jump.
Speaker 2: Let's get into Mac Sack and mack Sack could be anything.
Speaker 2: It could be a boat and Mac while watching an
Speaker 2: old YouTube video earlier taught in the Shadows, I enjoy
Speaker 2: his music reviews, he went in and reminded us of,
Speaker 2: first off, one of our favorite trends from the nineties,
Speaker 2: which was cartoons wearing hip hop clothing. And not only
Speaker 2: was a cartoon or in hip hop clothing, but back
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety four, Disney released a hip hop album
Speaker 2: called Mickey Unrapped, and this featured Mickey and his friends rapping.
Speaker 2: I'll show a picture on the YouTube screen. I'll describe
Speaker 2: it to you right now. Mac is looking at it
Speaker 2: right now. It is Mickey with a backwards ball cap
Speaker 2: and saggy jeans over his red shorts along with boots. Mac.
Speaker 2: I am gonna read you a list of song titles
Speaker 2: that could be on Mickey Unrapped. Okay, I would like
Speaker 2: you to tell me if this is a real song
Speaker 2: from Mickey Unrapped or if it is something that I
Speaker 2: have made up.
Speaker 1: Oh, these are original rap songs.
Speaker 2: No, there are more covers and they're more playing with
Speaker 2: you know, songs of the time.
Speaker 1: And by the way, yeah, good, and do good enough
Speaker 1: job of describing the saggy jeans over the tims.
Speaker 2: That's right, he's also wearing tims, all right, Mac. First
Speaker 2: song up here sung by minute Ice Ice Mickey, Yeah,
Speaker 2: move to the beat yellow shoes on his feet.
Speaker 1: That is correct, you tell me, Okay, I was right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just did a lyric from the song I
Speaker 2: Love a Lot. I'm not allowed to play the songs
Speaker 2: on YouTube and on the stream, so I didn't know.
Speaker 1: What was gonna happen. I didn't know if we're gonna
Speaker 1: get a ding ding ding.
Speaker 2: I don't have any sound effects. Goofy's Paradise sung by Goofy,
Speaker 2: of course, yeah, very real. I made that up.
Speaker 1: Ah fuck, god, damn it. Good one.
Speaker 2: That's a good fig You should have noticed that Goofy's
Speaker 2: Gangster's Paradise came out in nineteen ninety five. This album's
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 1: Good Call you, good call?
Speaker 2: All right? How about sung by Minni Mouse? What a Mouse?
Speaker 1: No, I don't care for the title, so made.
Speaker 2: Up, incorrect. What a Mouse by Mini Mouse is a
Speaker 2: real song, like.
Speaker 1: What a Mouse? What a mouse? What a mouse? What
Speaker 1: a mighty good mouse?
Speaker 2: You know that he's loyal because you never hear about
Speaker 2: him with another girl. It's an actual line from the
Speaker 2: song when talking about Mickey. Yeah, it was a goof day.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't give me two fake goof ones.
Speaker 2: It's real that one is also fake. A take on
Speaker 2: it was it was a Good Day by gorse a
Speaker 2: Goose was a good day. I didn't have to take
Speaker 2: up my ak.
Speaker 1: I guess it's gonna be all real except for the
Speaker 1: goofy ones.
Speaker 2: How about sung by Daisy California Adventure Love.
Speaker 1: California Love was ninety five or ninety six, So that's fake.
Speaker 2: Shouldn't have told you that one from earlier. How about
Speaker 2: bow Wow to the Beat sung by Pluto litl bow Wow.
Speaker 1: Is like six, so I'm gonna say also.
Speaker 2: Fake, this is real? Actually, oh okay, this is Pluto
Speaker 2: bow Wow to the beat featuring Whoopy Goldberg.
Speaker 1: Bow Wow Wow.
Speaker 2: Yep, yo, yep, that's not the song. This is no
Speaker 2: The song is just Pluto making dog noises.
Speaker 1: Remember that song? It might have been a little Romeo.
Speaker 1: Actually it was a little Little Romeo or a little
Speaker 1: bow Wow had a song with Solange Knowles, I didn't know,
Speaker 1: the sister of Beyonce in like three. It's pretty good.
Speaker 1: Oh five.
Speaker 2: Maybe Ducks in the Hood.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's real.
Speaker 2: That is real and it's done by Huey Dewey and
Speaker 2: Louie fuf That Ducks in the Hood were three tough
Speaker 2: ducks with an attitude. Some say we're cool, some say
Speaker 2: we're rude. Once again, this is a real album put
Speaker 2: out by Disney in nineteen ninety four. You can't botch this.
Speaker 1: Can't touch this. Du Botch doesn't seem like a word
Speaker 1: Disney would use. So I'm gonna say it's fake.
Speaker 2: You are incorrect. This is done by Goofy, Mickey Minnie,
Speaker 2: and Pluto. You can't botch this unbelievable. I turned on
Speaker 2: the hose and my lawn became a lake. What Goofy says?
Speaker 2: Nothing but a goof thing?
Speaker 1: I'm all fucked up by the Goofy. Shit. Uh, nothing
Speaker 1: but a g thing, baby, nothing but a goof thing.
Speaker 1: Who that's gotta be real?
Speaker 2: Give me that one is also fake, you piece of shit?
Speaker 1: You fucking asshole.
Speaker 2: How about Big Daka?
Speaker 1: I would just say it's real, because I don't think
Speaker 1: you would come up with something that bad.
Speaker 2: Sung by the Seven Dwarfs, it's fake. I made that
Speaker 2: one up.
Speaker 1: Fuck fuck a what you call it?
Speaker 2: Big Down with Big Pete?
Speaker 1: But this is over Down with Big.
Speaker 2: Pete to the tune of Fuck the Police.
Speaker 1: That is real.
Speaker 2: That is not real? Why would they do that? And
Speaker 2: then finally Gin and goof.
Speaker 1: Not getting got by goofy again.
Speaker 2: This is fake goof doggy dog. You are correct, that
Speaker 2: is fake.
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think the mouse would uh
Speaker 1: support the gin part of that.
Speaker 2: I was trying to think of what else to put
Speaker 2: for gin. I'm like, I'll just change the goof, goof
Speaker 2: and juice. I've already fallen back on goof seven times
Speaker 2: in my other fake time six got me six. So
Speaker 2: go and check out that album. It's on YouTube all right, Mac,
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Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter and on Instagram at
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Speaker 2: Tea public dot Com. How often do you doom scroll
Speaker 2: all the time? Oh, the fucking time. I'm dead.
Speaker 1: Every time, I shit, every time I forget what I'm doing,
Speaker 1: I'll just open my There's sometimes i'll doom scroll. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I was supposed to be doing something, stop doom scrolling.
Speaker 1: Then forget what I had to do and continue doom scrolling.
Speaker 1: I'd also like to uh I didn't say yet. You know,
Speaker 1: for the folks that have tuned in this late, I'd
Speaker 1: like to congratulate Goo on his sweet and Jeremy ronic
Speaker 1: Arizona Coyotes jersey.
Speaker 2: I was looking for a Daddy Kuchuk one, but they
Speaker 2: only had the whites, and I prefer the black. And
Speaker 2: I said, you know what, styles is fine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not a ronic guy. I'm not a ronic guy, but.
Speaker 2: I like ronic. I love Kachuk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, there Kachuk local guy as well. I gotta say,
Speaker 1: you know, when we look back, you know, in general,
Speaker 1: eighty percent of what the nineties did to sports uniforms
Speaker 1: were bad, but the twenty percent truly all amazing. That
Speaker 1: the Raptors jerseys that got shipped off for a while
Speaker 1: and now they've come back full force. Like there are
Speaker 1: some truly great ones, including the one you're wearing.
Speaker 2: I also couldn't find a Dallas Drake Jersey. He was
Speaker 2: on the Coyote, I believe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he might have been. Yeah, they were.
Speaker 2: Always a decent team. They were never great, but they
Speaker 2: were always good. It was it was a lot going
Speaker 2: on in the Western Conference at the time.
Speaker 1: Is that where Hobby Bouen went ended up there?
Speaker 2: I don't. I mean he might have played for a
Speaker 2: bunch of different teams.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like a real archer Derby.
Speaker 2: But I mean at that time, Arthur Jerbey was great
Speaker 2: at that time though, Phoenix was dealing with Dallas, Colorado,
Speaker 2: Detroit just fucking powerhouses the load the end of like
Speaker 2: the Saint Leactually know Saint Louis had already trade Hull,
Speaker 2: so never mind, it was before Saint Louis got good
Speaker 2: again with mcginnison Pronger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Pronger's rookie year was like oh one, maybe two.
Speaker 2: No, Pronger's rookie year, he was he was in the
Speaker 2: nineties and he was on Dallas.
Speaker 1: Wasn't it nineties? No, Promor wasn't on He wasn't on
Speaker 1: that star Seemo in the Cup?
Speaker 2: Is that what you're saying he was on Harford. Actually
Speaker 2: he started with Hartford, he did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, I didn't know he came into the league.
Speaker 2: That early, when he was nineteen and nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 1: He's been retired for like a decade now, so that
Speaker 1: makes fucking sense.
Speaker 2: But also, he was all most in the Wayne Gretzky
Speaker 2: trade when they got Gretzky from the Kings. But the
Speaker 2: Blues were like, yeah, we're gonna hold on to this guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Al mckinnis real hard slap shot.
Speaker 2: Oh, you could shoot the puck real fast.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, show's over. I guess go home.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh so on Monday, Sinners, I hope, or Goose Day Sinners,
Speaker 2: I hope.
Speaker 1: We'll try try, we'll try both miss screening.
Speaker 2: And then at the end of the week Revenge of
Speaker 2: the Sith Okay, yeah, or we can flip it if
Speaker 2: you want. It's up to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, Sinners. Great early reviews. I'm
Speaker 1: getting excited for that one and my girl Hailey Steinfeld's so.
Speaker 2: I'm also really excited about rewatching Revenge of the Sith.
Speaker 1: I am too. Actually, it's.
Speaker 2: It's pretty great. I'm not gonna lie. Great yeah, I
Speaker 2: think it is.
Speaker 1: So that's like thirty six Dogs.
Speaker 2: I think, with hindsight and comparing it to other Star
Speaker 2: Wars stuff, I think it's pretty great.
Speaker 1: At the time, I loved it. I know that back
Speaker 1: in five when I watched it.
Speaker 2: I think, right, and we'll get into it with the podcast.
Speaker 2: I think you can pick and choose a couple things
Speaker 2: out of it to take out of it.
Speaker 1: But overall, the PlayStation two game that came out with
Speaker 1: the movie that got of the movie, great fucking game.
Speaker 1: Great game.
Speaker 2: Alright, so check us out then Tuesdays or Goosdays. I
Speaker 2: have used Kangaroos Tambarton.
Speaker 1: Bye.
Speaker 2: Please flip the cassette over to side B to continue
Speaker 2: the adventure. Now it's time for girls jumping on trampapa
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