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<v Speaker 1>Before we start, tell me where you're listening from in

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<v Speaker 1>the comments. Maybe you're someone who's faced rejection and wondered

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<v Speaker 1>what if. Maybe you're curious about how setbacks shape us

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<v Speaker 1>differently than success does. Maybe you're wondering what it feels

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<v Speaker 1>like to encounter someone from your past after your life

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<v Speaker 1>has completely transformed. This conversation is for you. Twenty eight

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, when I was a twenty six year old

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<v Speaker 1>with big dreams but an empty bank account, I met

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<v Speaker 1>someone who would teach me one of the most important

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<v Speaker 1>lessons of my life, not through acceptance or encouragement, but

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<v Speaker 1>through rejection so complete and devastating that it changed how

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<v Speaker 1>I understood myself, success, and what really matters in relationships.

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<v Speaker 1>Her name was Sarah, and for six months in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety six, I thought she might be the person I'd

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<v Speaker 1>spend my life with. I was wrong about that, but

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<v Speaker 1>I was right about something else. The experience would shape

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<v Speaker 1>everything that came after.

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<v Speaker 2>Today.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to sh share the story, not to embarrass

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<v Speaker 1>anyone or settle old scores, but because I think it

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<v Speaker 1>reveals something important about human nature, the role of rejection

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<v Speaker 1>in building character, and why the timing of when people

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<v Speaker 1>enter and exit. Your life matters more than we usually admit.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen ninety six, I was nobody special by conventional standards.

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<v Speaker 1>I had recently dropped out of Stanford's PhD program to

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<v Speaker 1>start a company with my brother called zip Too. We

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<v Speaker 1>were living in a tiny office, showering at the YMCA,

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<v Speaker 1>and eating more Ramen noodles than any human should consume.

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<v Speaker 1>I was passionate about the Internet's potential, convinced that we

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<v Speaker 1>were building something revolutionary. But I had no money, no

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<v Speaker 1>social status, and no evidence that my crazy ideas would

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<v Speaker 1>ever amount to anything. To most people, I looked like

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<v Speaker 1>another tech dreamer who would probably flame out within a year.

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<v Speaker 1>I met Sarah at a coffee shop in Palo Alto.

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<v Speaker 1>She was a graduate sudent in psychology at Stanford, brilliant, beautiful,

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<v Speaker 1>and came from the kind of established East Coast family

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<v Speaker 1>where success was measured in generations, not startups. She had

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<v Speaker 1>that effortless confidence that comes from never having to worry

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<v Speaker 1>about basic survival, never having to prove your worth to

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<v Speaker 1>skeptical investors or sleep on office floors. I was immediately smitten,

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<v Speaker 1>not just with her looks, though she was stunning, but

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<v Speaker 1>with her intelligence, her dry sense of humor, and the

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<v Speaker 1>way she could discuss complex ideas with the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>casual expertise that I envied. She seemed to represent everything

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to become, sophisticated, cultured, connected to a world

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<v Speaker 1>of ideas and influence that felt miles away from my

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<v Speaker 1>South African childhood and my current hand to mouth existence.

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<v Speaker 2>For three months, we.

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<v Speaker 1>Dated in the way that broke graduate students and startup founders.

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<v Speaker 1>Date coffee instead of dinner, long walks instead of expensive entertainment,

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<v Speaker 1>hours of conversation about technology, psychology, philosophy, and the future

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<v Speaker 1>we thought we were building. I thought it was romantic.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought our financial limitations forced us to connect on

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<v Speaker 1>a deeper level, to focus on ideas and dreams rather

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<v Speaker 1>than material experiences. I thought she appreciated my passion for

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<v Speaker 1>changing the world, even if the world hadn't yet recognized

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<v Speaker 1>what I was trying to do. I was wrong about

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<v Speaker 1>almost everything. Sarah was polite about my circumstances, but I

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<v Speaker 1>started to notice things. How she would change the subject

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<v Speaker 1>when I talked about Ziptoo's potential, How she would compare

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<v Speaker 1>my situation unfavorably to her friends who were pursuing traditional

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<v Speaker 1>career paths. How she seemed embarrassed when we encountered her

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<v Speaker 1>Stanford's social circle and she had to explain what I

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<v Speaker 1>did for a living. The turning point came when I

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<v Speaker 1>invited her to a dinner party hosted by.

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<v Speaker 2>One of my early investors.

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<v Speaker 1>It was my first real opportunity to introduce her to

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<v Speaker 1>the world I was trying to build, to show her

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<v Speaker 1>that even though I was broke, I was connected to

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<v Speaker 1>people who believe in the future I was working toward.

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<v Speaker 1>She spent the entire evening making polite conversation while clearly

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<v Speaker 1>wishing she was anywhere else. Afterwards, she said the people

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<v Speaker 1>were interesting in that tone that meant exactly the opposite.

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<v Speaker 2>She asked why I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Wasting my time with these tech people when I could

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<v Speaker 1>be doing something more substantial with my life. That's when

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<v Speaker 1>I realized we weren't just from different economic backgrounds. We

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<v Speaker 1>had fundamentally different values about risk, ambition, and what constituted

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<v Speaker 1>a meaningful life. Despite the growing tension, I convinced myself

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<v Speaker 1>that our relationship could work.

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<v Speaker 2>I was in love, or.

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<v Speaker 1>Thought I was, and I believed that love could bridge

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<v Speaker 1>any gap in understanding or values. After six months of dating,

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<v Speaker 1>I decided to take the biggest risk of my young life,

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<v Speaker 1>not just emotionally but financially. I spent two thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>money I absolutely could not afford on an engagement ring.

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<v Speaker 1>This represented weeks of person expenses, money that should have

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<v Speaker 1>gone toward keeping Zip to alive. I planned what I

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<v Speaker 1>thought was the perfect proposal, a picnic in the hills

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<v Speaker 1>overlooking Silicon Valley, the place where I was convinced we

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<v Speaker 1>would build our future together. I had prepared a speech

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<v Speaker 1>about how I might not have much to offer her now,

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<v Speaker 1>but I was committed to building something significant, not just

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<v Speaker 1>for myself, but for us.

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<v Speaker 2>I never got to give that speech.

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<v Speaker 1>When I showed her the ring and started to explain

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<v Speaker 1>my feelings, she stopped me before I could finish. Not gently,

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<v Speaker 1>not with the kind of caring rejection that preserves dignity.

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<v Speaker 1>She looked at me like I had just suggested something

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<v Speaker 1>absurd and slightly offensive. Elon, she said, I care about you,

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<v Speaker 1>but I need to be realistic about my future. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't build a life with someone whose biggest accomplishment is

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<v Speaker 1>a website nobody's heard of.

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<v Speaker 2>I needs to build it. I need security.

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<v Speaker 1>I need someone who's already proven they can succeed in

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<v Speaker 1>the real world. She went on to explain that while

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<v Speaker 1>she found my entrepreneurial spirit admirable, she couldn't take seriously

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of marrying someone who might never amount to anything.

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<v Speaker 1>She had goals for her life a nice house, financial security,

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<v Speaker 1>social status, a partner her family could respect, and I

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<v Speaker 1>simply didn't fit into that picture. The rejection was clinical, thorough,

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<v Speaker 1>and devastating. She didn't just say no to the proposal,

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<v Speaker 1>she dismissed the entire premise that I might ever become

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<v Speaker 1>someone worth saying yes to. I drove home in a daze,

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<v Speaker 1>the ring in my pocket feeling heavier than any rocket

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<v Speaker 1>I would ever build. I sat in my tiny apartment,

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<v Speaker 1>staring at the symbol of hopes that had just been obliterated,

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<v Speaker 1>and experienced what I can only describe as a complete

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<v Speaker 1>emotional collapse. For about three days, I questioned everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Was she right?

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<v Speaker 1>Was I deluding myself about Ziptu's potential? Was I wasting

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<v Speaker 1>my life chasing impossible dreams when I should be pursuing

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<v Speaker 1>traditional career paths that would provide the stability and respect

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<v Speaker 1>that clearly mattered to people I wanted to impress. But

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<v Speaker 1>then something shifted. The hurt began to transform into something else. Determination,

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<v Speaker 1>not the petty kind of determination that seeks revenge, but

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<v Speaker 1>the deeper kind that seeks vindication. Not vindication for her,

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<v Speaker 1>but for the values and vision she had rejected. I

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<v Speaker 1>realized that Sarah's rejection wasn't really about me personally. It

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<v Speaker 1>was about what I represented. I represented uncertainty, risk, the

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<v Speaker 1>possibility of failure. She wanted guarantees that I couldn't provide,

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<v Speaker 1>not because I lacked commitment or capability, but because the

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<v Speaker 1>future I was trying to build didn't yet exist. Her

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<v Speaker 1>rejection clarified something crucial. I needed to find people who

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<v Speaker 1>could believe in possibilities before they became realities. People who

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<v Speaker 1>could see potential rather than just current circumstances. People who

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<v Speaker 1>are excited by the uncertainty of building something new rather

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<v Speaker 1>than threatened by it. I won't lie and say her

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<v Speaker 1>rejection didn't motivate me.

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<v Speaker 2>It did.

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<v Speaker 1>Every time Ziptu faced a crisis, and there were many.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought about Sarah's dismissive tone, her certainty that I

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<v Speaker 1>would never amount to anything, not because I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>prove her wrong, but because I wanted to prove that

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<v Speaker 1>her criteria for evaluating people were wrong. She had judged

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<v Speaker 1>my worth based on my current financial status rather than

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<v Speaker 1>my future potential. She had valued security over ambition, conformity

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<v Speaker 1>over innovation, established success over pioneering effort. These weren't just

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<v Speaker 1>personal preferences. They were fundamental disagreements about what makes life meaningful.

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<v Speaker 1>Her rejection taught me that some people can only love

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<v Speaker 1>you after you've succeeded, not while you're struggling to succeed.

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<v Speaker 1>That some people need social validation of your worth before

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<v Speaker 1>they can recognize it themselves. That some people are attracted

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<v Speaker 1>to the fruits of achievement but repelled by the process

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<v Speaker 1>of achieving. This became a filter for every relationship that followed,

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<v Speaker 1>not a test of gold digging or superficiality, but a

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<v Speaker 1>deeper question. Can this person love the person I am

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm building something uncertain, or do they only love

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<v Speaker 1>the person I become after I've built it. Two years later,

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<v Speaker 1>Ziptu was acquired by Compac for three hundred seven million dollars. Overnight,

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<v Speaker 1>I went from broke entrepreneur to multimillionaire. The transformation was surreal,

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<v Speaker 1>not just financially but socially. Suddenly people who had dismissed

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<v Speaker 1>my ideas were calling them visionary. Women who had found

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<v Speaker 1>my circumstances unappealing now found them fascinating. I started PayPal,

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<v Speaker 1>which sold to eBay for one point five billion dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>then Tesla, then SpaceX, then a dozen one other ventures

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<v Speaker 1>that grew my net worth into the hundreds of billions.

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<v Speaker 1>Each success validated not just my business instincts, but my

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<v Speaker 1>conviction that the future belongs to people willing to risk

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable presence for extraordinary possibilities. But success also revealed something

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<v Speaker 1>troubling about human nature. Many of the same people who

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<v Speaker 1>had been skeptical or dismissive during my struggling years now

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<v Speaker 1>claimed to have always believed in my potential. They rewrote

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<v Speaker 1>history to position themselves as early supporters rather.

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<v Speaker 2>Than late converts.

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<v Speaker 1>This revisionism wasn't malicious, it was psychological self protection. Nobody

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<v Speaker 1>wants to admit they lacked the vision to recognize potential

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<v Speaker 1>before it became obvious. But it taught me to be

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<v Speaker 1>very careful about who gets credit for believing in me

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<v Speaker 1>and when that belief actually began. In two thousand and eight,

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<v Speaker 1>twelve years after her rejection, I encountered Sarah again at

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<v Speaker 1>a Stanford alumni event. I was there as a donor

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<v Speaker 1>and speaker. She was there as an alum and psychologist

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<v Speaker 1>with a successful private practice. The interaction was awkward in

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<v Speaker 1>ways that neither of us had anticipated. She approached me

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<v Speaker 1>after my speech, clearly nervous, and attempted to resume our

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<v Speaker 1>relationship as if the rejection had never happened. She mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>how she had always admired my ambition and had followed

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<v Speaker 1>my success with interest over the years. I was polite,

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<v Speaker 1>but distant, not because I harbored resentment. I was genuinely

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<v Speaker 1>grateful for the lesson her rejection had taught me, but

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<v Speaker 1>because I recognized that her renewed interest wasn't really about

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<v Speaker 1>me as a person.

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<v Speaker 2>It was about me as a symbol of success, wealth,

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<v Speaker 2>and status.

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<v Speaker 1>She had learned that I was worth two billion dollars

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<v Speaker 1>stability and security seemed to have evaporated. The same uncertainty

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<v Speaker 1>and risk taking that had made me unsuitable twelve years

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<v Speaker 1>earlier now made me fascinated. During our brief conversation. She

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<v Speaker 1>made several references to how different she was now, how

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<v Speaker 1>she had developed more appreciation for entrepreneurial spirit and had

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<v Speaker 1>come to understand that traditional paths aren't the only roots

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<v Speaker 1>to success. She seemed to be auditioning for a role

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<v Speaker 1>in my life, rebranding herself as someone who could appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>the journey, not just the destination. But I knew better

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<v Speaker 1>people don't fundamentally change the values in their thirties. She

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<v Speaker 1>had learned to appreciate successful entrepreneurs, not struggling ones. She

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<v Speaker 1>had developed tolerance for calculated risks that had already paid off,

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<v Speaker 1>not faith in uncertain ventures that might fail. The conversation

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<v Speaker 1>was cordial but brief. I wished her well in her

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<v Speaker 1>practice and her life, and we parted ways. I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>spoken to her since, though I occasionally hear updates through

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<v Speaker 1>how I approach relationships, both personal and profit. First timing

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<v Speaker 1>lives when we need them to, not when we want

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<v Speaker 1>learn that external validation isn't necessary for internal worth. If

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<v Speaker 1>on her approval rather than developing my own conviction. Second

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<v Speaker 1>rejection often reveals incompatible values, rather than personal inadequacy. Sarah

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't wrong for wanting security and stability. Those are legitimate desires.

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<v Speaker 1>mutual commitment rather than financial guarantees. Third love requires faith

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<v Speaker 1>and potential, not just appreciation. For actualization, the right person

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<v Speaker 1>for me would need to love the person I was becoming,

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<v Speaker 1>not just the person I had already become. Need to

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<v Speaker 1>see possibilities that others couldn't see, to believe in dreams

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<v Speaker 1>that others found unrealistic. Fourth, success changes how people perceive

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<v Speaker 1>your past, not just your present. Once I became wealthy,

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<v Speaker 1>many people retroactively decided that my early struggles were visionary

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<v Speaker 1>if their support only became vocal after my success became obvious.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm genuinely grateful to Sarah. For rejecting me, not in

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<v Speaker 1>a petty look what you missed way, but in a

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<v Speaker 2>If she had said yes, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Might have spent years trying to conform to her vision

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<v Speaker 1>of success rather than pursuing my own. I might have

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<v Speaker 1>chosen safer past to prove my worthiness to someone who

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<v Speaker 1>valued security over innovation. I might have become successful in

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<v Speaker 1>conventional terms while abandoning the unconventional dreams that eventually define

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<v Speaker 1>my life. Her rejection forced me to clarify my values,

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<v Speaker 1>to choose between approval and authenticity, between fitting in and

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<v Speaker 1>be attracted to my ambition rather than threatened by it,

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<v Speaker 1>excited by uncertainty rather than paralyzed by it. More importantly,

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<v Speaker 1>it told me that rejection can be redirection. When someone

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<v Speaker 1>says no to you, they're often saying no to a

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<v Speaker 1>version of yourself that wouldn't have served your highest purpose anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>The person who rejects you for your lack of conventional

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<v Speaker 1>success is probably not the person who would celebrate your

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<v Speaker 1>unconventional achievements. Sarah's rejection was part of a larger pattern

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<v Speaker 1>I've observed throughout my life. People's ability to see potential

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<v Speaker 1>as directly related to their tolerance for uncertainty. Those who

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<v Speaker 1>who helped create the extraordinary. This applies to business partnerships, friendships,

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<v Speaker 1>romantic relationships, and even family dynamics. The people who believe

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<v Speaker 1>in you when you're unknown are fundamentally different from those

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<v Speaker 1>who believe in you after you're proven. Both serve purposes,

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<v Speaker 1>the valley of uncertainty that precedes every meaningful achievement. This

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't make either group better or worse morally, but it

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<v Speaker 1>does make them suitable for different roles in your life.

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah was honest about her limitations. She couldn't invest in potential,

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<v Speaker 1>only in actualized success. That honesty, while painful at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>was actually a gift. Twenty eight years later, I think

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<v Speaker 1>about Sarah whenever I meet someone new, whether in business

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<v Speaker 1>or personal contexts, not because I'm comparing them to her,

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<v Speaker 1>but because she taught me to recognize the difference between

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<v Speaker 1>people who can love you through uncertainty and people who

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<v Speaker 1>can only love you after certainty. This lesson has served

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<v Speaker 1>me well in choosing business partners, investors, employees, and friends.

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<v Speaker 1>The best relationships in my life have been with people

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<v Speaker 1>who saw something in me before the world did, who

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<v Speaker 1>by possibilities rather than intimidated by them. Sarah couldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>that person for me, and that's okay. She found someone

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<v Speaker 1>who could provide the security and stability she needed, and

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<v Speaker 1>I found people who could provide the faith and vision

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<v Speaker 1>I needed. We were incompatible, not inadequate. Her rejection taught

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<v Speaker 1>me that the right people will see your value before

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<v Speaker 1>the world validates it, will believe in your dreams before

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<v Speaker 1>than the person you've already been. If you're facing rejection

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<v Speaker 1>right now, whether romantic, professional, or personal, consider the possibility

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<v Speaker 1>that it's not about your inadequacy but about incompatible values

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<v Speaker 1>or timing. Ask yourself, is this person rejecting who you

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<v Speaker 1>are or who you're not yet but could become. If

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<v Speaker 1>someone can only appreciate you after you've succeeded, they probably

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<v Speaker 1>weren't meant to walk with you through the process of succeeding.

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<v Speaker 1>If someone needs external validation of your worth before they

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<v Speaker 1>can recognize it, they probably aren't equipped to provide the

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<v Speaker 1>internal validation that sustains you through difficult times. This doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>make rejection painless, but it can make it purposeful. Every

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<v Speaker 1>no can redirect you tord yes that actually serves your growth.

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<v Speaker 1>Every person who can't see your potential can clear space

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<v Speaker 1>for someone who can. The goal isn't to prove rejectors wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>It's to prove your own vision right. The goal isn't

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<v Speaker 1>to make them regret their decision. It's to make yourself

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<v Speaker 1>grateful for the clarity it provided. Sarah rejected me before

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<v Speaker 1>I was a billionaire, and I'm glad you did not

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<v Speaker 1>because her rejection motivated my success.

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<v Speaker 2>My success was motivated by much.

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<v Speaker 1>Deeper purposes, but because her rejection revealed our fundamental incompatibility.

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<v Speaker 1>Before I committed my life to someone who couldn't appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>the journey, only the destination. Twenty eight years later, I

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<v Speaker 1>can say with complete honesty that she made the right

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<v Speaker 1>provide immediate security and conventional success. I needed someone who

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<v Speaker 1>could embrace uncertainty. And unconventional dreams. We both found what

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<v Speaker 1>we were looking for, just not with each other. Her

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<v Speaker 1>rejection taught me that the right person doesn't just love

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<v Speaker 1>who you are, They love who you are becoming. They

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<v Speaker 1>don't just appreciate your current achievements, they believe in your

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<v Speaker 1>Sarah couldn't be that person for me in nineteen ninety six,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's the greatest gift she ever gave me, because

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<v Speaker 1>it forced me to become the kind of person who

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<v Speaker 1>could eventually find and recognize that right person when they appeared.

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<v Speaker 1>Rejection isn't always personal failure. Sometimes its divine redirection toward

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<v Speaker 1>Share this with some one who needs to hear that

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<v Speaker 1>rejection can be protection, that timing matters more than we realize,

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<v Speaker 1>and that the right people will see your value before

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<v Speaker 1>the world validates it. Subscribe If these conversations help you

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<v Speaker 1>think differently about setbacks and relationships, and remember the person

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<v Speaker 1>who can't love you through uncertainty probably isn't meant to

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<v Speaker 1>celebrate your certainty. What rejection in your life turned out

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<v Speaker 1>to be a redirection towards something better,