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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big

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Fight Weekend. Now here is your host, DJ Leaves. Well, well, well,

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we are ready for a huge not just an ordinary weekend,

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a huge weekend of championship fights all over the globe.

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And we are doing this live people on a Thursday

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afternoon on YouTube. It is the Big Fight Weekend preview

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on YouTube. Now, I should say for our podcast audience,

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you're hearing it in the normal rundown Thursday night late

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into Friday. But we went ahead and did this live

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people on YouTube, so you gotta be engaged with us

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on the YouTube channel for Big Fight Weekend. I'm merely

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the somewhat capable host TJ. Reeves. We're here on video. Hello,

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Big Dan, Rayphael who you see is not in his

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normal office setup. No, no, the office this weekend is

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Las Vegas, Nevada, for the return of Manny Pacquiao. Big Dan,

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how are you always good? To be with you, but

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especially good when you're well on location my office.

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Speaker 2: It's sort of like I take the approach of like

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Air Force one, wherever I.

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Speaker 1: Am that that is the office. You're in the office, baby,

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like uh like my man Denzel Washington and training day.

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You kind of look like you have like the Asian

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feel to the room, to the villa there with the whole.

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I like this. I like the setup.

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Speaker 2: In the background, there's like a little like I don't

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know what you call that, like a separation, yes, between

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where the bed is and then there's a little area

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Speaker 1: Exactly if you wanted a little privacy, if somebody else

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was there. But it's just all right, so you are

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Hit the bell, you geit, a notification, Hey, they're going live.

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They're going live after Saturday night, after the Pacquiao fight

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cards over, after the Bam Rodriguez fight cards over, we'll

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All right, So, as I mentioned you are there, you

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have been there about twenty four hours or more in

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Las Vegas as we do this live. What's the build

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up like right now? As Manny Pacquiao is returning after

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a four year layoff at forty six years of age.

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You were around them at the press conference on Wednesday.

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What's it been like?

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Speaker 2: It was kind of like back to the future, I

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felt like, because it's been four years since Manny has

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had a fight DJ and it was almost like no

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time had passed. You look up on the dais where

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everybody was situated, and it's the band is back together.

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There's Manny looking good. There's Freddie Roach, his trainer. There's

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Blue Boy Fernandez also one of the trainers on Nanny's

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long time right hand man, confident however you want to

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describe him. And you know, good press turnout as as

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is not a surprise, a lot of the YouTube guys not.

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You know, it was pretty striking that out of Wednesday

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media and those of us who spent a lot of

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media anymore, like myself, you know, my boy Lance Bug Meyerta,

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we were there, but they're what you would call mainstream media.

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I didn't notice really anybody. Unfortunately, there are other than

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the than my ring side colleagues that have made the

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trip from the Philippines. They always go on for many

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Paco so they were there in force. And look hotel

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is you know, as many talked about on a few

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occasions during his remarks his sixteenth fight at the MGM

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Grand Garden Arena that will take place on Saturday. So

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he is a very deep and long history with this property,

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had some of his biggest performances as biggest nights of

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his career in this building. And you know, I've covered

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a million fights here, but it's cool to be back

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for a pack out fight, even though I'm still not

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quite sure how I feel about him coming out of

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retirement at age forty six.

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Speaker 1: And we'll get into that point here in a couple

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of moments. I know what you're saying, because you know

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it used to be and we're not being get off

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our lawn guys here, but I mean it used to be.

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ESPN would be there live throughout a big fight week,

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including not just a heavyweight title but a Pacquiao and

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Oscar de la Jolla, Floyd Mayweather. They would be live

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back in the day when like CNN cared about sports

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and they had CNN Sports Tonight with the late Fred

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Hickman and the late Nick Charles. They would be their

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live all the time. All the biggest newspapers would be there,

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can understand where it's kind of bizarre. It's not what

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Speaker 2: It doesn't necessarily make it worse. It's just not like

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you said, it's so pigeonholed now. It's got such a

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and it's not just boxing. A lot of sports and

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some other events are similarly where there's a little more

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focus and it's not as widespread. But with boxing it's

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very pronounced. I mean, I remember the days of coming

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to Vegas for these fights in that exact same room

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downstairs and ab studio ballrooms where they have most of

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the press conferences, and you walk in and you look

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around and I would see the newspaper reports from all

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over the country, the Boston papers and the multiple Boston papers,

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multiple New York papers, multiple Philadelphia papers, Washington, DC, the

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Associated Press, LA multiple LA Area papers, Dallas, Houston, Baltimore.

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You know, I was there from USA Today. Later for ESPN,

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they would have people there and I dare say I

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didn't see a single one of them.

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Speaker 3: Uh, it's crazy to fight, but hey, we're here, I'm here.

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Speaker 1: I don't Yeah, that's exactly right, that's exactly that's exactly right.

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I know it's only Thursday. What do you perceive and

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do you perceive that Vegas and the turnout and uh,

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the interest level will ramp up or is it too

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early for you to perceive that on Thursday afternoon? For

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Pakiah because he was the biggest of big deals for

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a lot of these As you mentioned, what are you seeing?

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up as you get closer to the fight. There's only

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been really a handful of fights I can think of

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that you really felt like you're already in, like the

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vor Attax on like a Tuesday or a Wednesday. That's

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not this fight. I mean, it'll get its attention and

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you know, there definitely would be some interest and there

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definitely are fans around already. As one example, I went

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to have dinner with my boy pug Meyer last night,

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and you know, if we wanted like a regular table,

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the restaurant it was going to be an hour wait.

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Speaker 3: So there's people here, there's no doubt about that. Right.

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Speaker 2: We took the high top, so I had to wait

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like a few minutes. But even still, I'm just making

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a point that, you know, a lot of people say

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Vegas is dead and there's fewer tourists because of different

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things related either to immigration issues or the economy or

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whatever you want to talk about. From my perception of

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just walking through the airport and coming into the hotel yesterday,

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there's a lot of people here. I mean, it's you know,

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it may not be as packed and crowded as maybe

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that'd been at other times, but there's still quite a

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bit of buzz and stuff going on here. And you know,

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but this fight was never going to have that kind

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of massive kind of crowd because back been out of sight,

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out of mind. This is not you know, Canelo versus

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Floyd or some big fight like that triple G against Canelo,

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something that was you know, the masses had been dying

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for for years. But man, he still has a fan

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base and it's got a heck of an undercard, which

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we'll talk about. There are a bunch of Australians here

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who have come out for Tim Zoo. I noticed a

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lot of accents and saw a lot of my Australian

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colleagues in the media center also to chat with them

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about it. So I'm happy to be here for this fight.

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Speaker 1: Let's pick it up on that point before we get

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to the undercard. The intrigue here is, and we don't

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know Pacquiao has not been in the ring, and you

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were there ringside for the last time he was in

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the ring, which was August of twenty twenty one, and

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he didn't look particularly good, didn't look particularly sharp. I'm

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just gonna say, I'm gonna keep it real. He got

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beat by a B level fighter that night. I believe

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in ordinis ugas. Okay, So the big question is what's

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gonna be different when you're four years older, you're forty six.

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We've seen this with guys coming back after years and

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years away from the ring at an advanced age. That

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is the question right for this What what do we

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what do we suspect we're going to see here? From

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many pakiaw Nobody knows.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he can look good on a video where

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they show him sparring or you know, kitting mits or

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doing his roadwork up the mountain and in Los Angeles,

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says he's getting ready and doing his training, but you

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don't know how it's gonna be when the actual bell rings.

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I mean, I'd go back and think of fights. You know,

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when Manny Pacia fought Oscar de la Hoya as an example,

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and everything was supposed to going great Oscars camp, and

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they would show you a couple of clips and he

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would do the interviews and everything sounded good and okay,

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still Oscar still, you know, coming off a win, even

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if it was a little shaky against Steve Forbes. You know,

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he's a humongous favorite against a much smaller Manny Pacaw

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who was coming up and wait to fight him. And

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when they got in the ring, he got savage. You know,

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he had nothing left. And so we have no idea

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what the situation with Packyo. I know, and I've made

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this point to a couple of people who asked me

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about it yesterday. I forget exactly when it was, but

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it was with him last year when Pacio had that

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exhibition doubt against the kickboxer. Now his team will tell

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you he didn't train two days for the fight, But

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I still know what I saw. I saw an old, slow,

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faded guy to get hit with everything by a guy

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that wasn't even a boxer, had no timing, had no reflexes,

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and was It's kind of sad to say, And it

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was only a four round fight, but you know, you

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I didn't need four rounds to see what I was

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to understand what I was seeing. Now, I guarantee you,

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Manny Pacio, clearly he's taking this a lot more seriously.

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This is an actual fight. He's fighting for a major

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world championship. He's back in a place where he has

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immense amount of history and a relationship with Here at

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this building and in this city, it's a totally different situation.

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But his body doesn't necessarily know that. I mean, just

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because he's in Las Vegas and he's fighting for a

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world title, doesn't mean his legs are going to do

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any better, or you know, his reflexes are going to

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be any better. I suspect he trained a lot harder, obviously,

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but we just don't know the answer. I mean, we

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know he's done things unexpectedly in the past and done

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things that he wasn't supposed to do, like the way

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he destroyed a delay, and he is one of the

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most legendary fighters of all time, and he's facing an

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opponent in Mario Barrios, who's a good fighter. He's got

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a world title, He's been in some excellent fights, but

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Mario is not a poundful pound type of guy. Good

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fighter and exciting, but he's not at the level of

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you know, most of the opponents that Manny has faced

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through the last like literally like twenty years.

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Speaker 1: And I know you just interviewed him. We're plugging away.

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He was in a life and death battle with Abel

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Ramos back in November on the undercart of Jake Paul

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Mike Tyson, in a fight where he got knocked down.

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He even said to you in the interview that he

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doesn't really remember a lot of the middle of the

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fight because after the knockdown he was basically out concussed

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while fighting. He doesn't really he had to go back

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and watch on video because he doesn't remember that. That

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ain't good and so now you don't know what you're

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getting with him, is my point too. In this in

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this fight with Baro, we're getting.

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Speaker 2: We're getting a much fresher guy than Pacio, and you

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know he true knocked down against Ramos in that fight.

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Speaker 3: But that's the point.

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Speaker 2: Though, he's a much younger guy by six teen years.

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He's a much taller fighter, he's a much longer fighter.

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He's been more active, and you know, we don't have

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to you know, beat the dead horse about father time

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is on the feet.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: But it's a fact, you know, that's just the reality.

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So I have used the analogy and we've seen this

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Speaker 2: Let just use you want to go way back to

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when Muhammad Ali fought Larry Holmes, and you know, he

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had done a good job of getting down to the

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you know, getting his weight down and his body looked

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pretty good and all the things that went into that

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that fight, and we saw what happen.

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Speaker 3: There were homes savaged him and the older.

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Speaker 1: Fing Alli Ali that night had nothing at thirty eight

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years of age. We've referenced that over and over again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and man, he's now forty six. So the point

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I'm making though is it's like if you have a

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beautiful car and you give it a great paint job,

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and you spit it up with a nice wax job

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and you tint the windows, they look all pretty. You know,

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you get those rims looking all sweet, and then you

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take it out for the driving you realize there's nothing

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under the hood. That's what maybe the case. We don't know,

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but maybe Manny has looked good in camp. He looks

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sharp for a round or two, hit in the midst

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or whatever. They'll limited amount that we were able to see.

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You talk to me, he sounds confident. He didn't seem

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unoffended that he was the underdog. You know, he understands why.

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But it wouldn't be a shock if you know, we

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took the car out for a spin and you know,

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you got nothing left sign and then there's a clunk

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and there's no nothing left under the hood. And that's

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what we're here to find out.

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Speaker 1: All right, very good. We're gonna get into the undercar

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in a couple of moments, a lot of live audiences

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Speaker 3: Yeah, if he does win, I mean it's a monumental victory.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna war a lot.

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Speaker 2: He's going to be the second oldest fighter in boxing

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history to win a world title. He'll file a couple

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of years shy of what Bernard Hopkins did the second

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time he won a light heavyweight title in his when

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he was aged forty eight, breaking the forty six record.

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He'll also become he'll break his own record as the

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oldest welterweight world champion. He did that at age forty

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against man Keith Thurman. He'll be obviously much older than

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in this particular case, and you know he'll add yet.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you one to think about. Does he

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become the fir Hall of Famer to ever win a

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world title after going into the Hall of Fame. Yeah,

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he won't just win into the Hall of Fame and

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he has a chance to win a world title.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he won't be the first fighter to come back

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after being elected to the Hall of Fame to have

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a fight. There's been a handful of those guys, But

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as you said, he will be the first one to.

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Speaker 3: Come back and win a world title. Advance the guys

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who otherwise did it.

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Speaker 2: Guys like Sugar Ray Leonard and Alexis Argueo and Virgil

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Hill and the great Zoom and Nelson and Jeff Fennick

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who fought each other. All of them came back posts

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being inducted into the Hall of Fame, but they weren't

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fighting in world championship flights.

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Speaker 1: Yep, and many just went in in June to the

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International Boxing Hall of Fame. All right, we'll get into

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Here is part of this all right. So I mentioned

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Fundora and Tim Zu do have their rematch of a

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fight what March of a year ago where Zoo got

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dashed badly on the forehead accidentally by Fondora's elbow and

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then bled Dan and bled and bled and it was

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gruesome and eventually he lost a decision to Fundora. And

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I'm just gonna I'm gonna say he's kind of been

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in a funk since then. He got he got later

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knocked out last October uh in a in a bout

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with Bakram martaz Eliev in Orlando. He's come back and

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had one fight since then to kind of re establish himself. Fundora, meanwhile,

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has had one title defense and an impressive knockout. Now

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they meet again here in a rematch for the junior

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middleweight world title. All right, So you were around these

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guys on Wednesday at the press conference, et cetera. Give

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me a little more on the towering inferno. So Fondora

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six feet plus as a junior middleweight fighting Tim Zoo.

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Speaker 2: Well, actually, just for the record, was not around them

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because yesterday it was the press conference for.

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Speaker 3: The main event.

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Speaker 1: All right, But.

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Speaker 2: In any event, the first fight was terrific. But that

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was basically because of what you mentioned about the injury

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and the gash that happened. Because in the first couple

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of rounds, I know, there was still a long way

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to go potentially, but I felt like Zoo had totally

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dominated and was, you know, hurt in Fondora and maybe

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getting ready to stop him in the early rounds. But

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then what happened happened with the with the gash on

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his head, and Fondora was a little bit touched up

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also because he had a jared nose that bled pretty

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badly as well. So by the time they got to

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round twelve, these guys are literally covered in blood.

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Speaker 3: It looked like a murder scene, like a horror horror movie.

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Speaker 2: And as Tim has talked about, like basically from like

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rounds three to ten, you know, the blood was so

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bothersome that he was sort of out of his game.

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He was able to get it together a little bit

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in the last couple of rounds, but in the end,

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you know, he did lose a split decision cost him

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not only his world title, but they were also fighting

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for what was at the time the and WBC belt, remember,

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was supposed to be Fondora. In an interim fight on

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the undercard, Thurmann got injured and was out of the

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fight ten days or so noticed, and so Fondora and

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Zoo agreed to fight each other to save the show,

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and both titles became on the line, and it was

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one of the most memorable fights of all of the year.

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And it was definitely the bloodiest glorious fight I have

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seen in maybe maybe my whole career, to be quite

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honest with you, I mean, it was just that bad. Anyway,

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So they move on to other things, and as you mentioned,

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Fandora for reasons that I'm still not totally clear about,

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because he said to me when we did a zoom

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call for our hour interview before he came back and

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fought the the Cordel Booker fight that was not that

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long ago. In his first fight in one year. He

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said his nose wasn't really that bad. It was like,

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you know, it needed like a week or two to

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heel up, and he was fine. He just took some

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time off his prerogative. I guess he came back. He

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looked fine, knocking out Cordel Booker, and at that point

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you're thinking, okay, he's gonna fight his mandatory in the WBO,

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which is Andrewsias, who was ringside. They took pictures there

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after the fight. They talked about fighting each other. The

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two sides were negotiating between PBC, Samson, Lukewitz in top

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rank and all right, so that'd be a fine fight.

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And then suddenly none, no, we're not doing that fight.

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We're taking a rematch with him Zoo, who even though

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the fight had been you know, a year earlier, apparently

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had a rematch, right even though it allowed Fundor to

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take the interim about which he did. In the meantime,

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you know that Tim had fought twice. He had the

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horrible knockout loss to Bockram where he just got bounced

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off the campus.

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Speaker 1: I was there. I was there. It was shocking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And then he had to win over Joey Spencer,

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which was supposed to theoretically set him up to reput

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together the fight with Keith Thurman that didn't end up happening.

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Speaker 3: So here we are back at the FANDORFA.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm not complaining because that headline of pay per

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view the last time out, Now it's the co feature,

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so you're getting a little more bang for your buck.

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I guess should be another great fight. Both guys have

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been talking about in the build up. It's gonna be

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another war. Tim's talking about I need it's like round thirteen.

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I need to, you know, get my revenge. I need

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to rewrite history because of what happened in first fight.

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You know, Fandora is a very confident fighter. Also, I

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mean this is a fight, to be quite honest, I mean,

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as much as I'm intrigued by what's gonna happen with

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Pacya and Barrios for of our variety of different reasons,

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just from this year, like action perspective, and just like

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what happened the first time, this is probably the fight

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on the cart I'm personally most interested to watch. I

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think it's gonna be another dynamite fight, and it's gonna

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really say a lot because if if Fandora wins, that's

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another huge win for him, and you know, we'll see

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what goes on with him in the future. But he

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can leave Tim Zoo behind and there's plenty of major

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fights he can make in the weight class, and a Zoo,

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you know, it gets to get back, you know, you

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can maybe put everything up behind him a little bit

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what happened, even with the backroom fight, and he'll be

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back on top of the division. Certainly, there will be

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the biggest name in the division, and he can go

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on and have some other big fights too, because that

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is a very significant weight class right now with a

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ton of talent in there.

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Speaker 3: So I'm pumped up for that rematch.

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Speaker 1: And I was just going right there, is it logical

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that whoever wins this, that Thurman is the guy waiting

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in the wings because Thurman won a fight in Australia

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and was waiting to fight zo Do. Certainly, if Zoo

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wins the rematch, that seems logical. Uh. Then again, logic

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and boxing don't always go together. But is it is

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it fair to say that Thurman might be in the

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mix for whoever wins this on Saturday night.

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Speaker 3: I do think that's a good possibility. Uh.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen him around, but I'm told to Thurman's

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gonna be out here for the fight.

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Speaker 3: Makes sense. Yeah, he wanted to fight.

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Speaker 2: He wanted to fight, uh Tim, That's the reason why

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he went and fought in Australia in the first place,

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to help set that up. It didn't happen. I don't

474
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think Keith's looking to avoid putting that back together, certainly.

475
00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:34,119
I don't think he would have any issue whatsoever fighting

476
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,039
against Fondora. Look, Keith is at the end of his

477
00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:40,319
career in terms of like how long he has left

478
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,119
at his age, all that thing. He's had injuries, but

479
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,640
he's healthy now coming out of the last fight. You know,

480
00:21:45,759 --> 00:21:47,480
he'd like to put a few more dollars in the bank.

481
00:21:47,519 --> 00:21:48,960
You know, he needs he needs the money to be

482
00:21:49,079 --> 00:21:52,119
quite frank, and those would be lucrative bouts, they'd be

483
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:55,640
winnable bouts and uh be a chance for him. Mean

484
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,519
you know, Keith, Keith in some ways is a little underrated.

485
00:21:58,519 --> 00:22:00,720
He had a really great run at welter. He beat

486
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,279
a lot of top guys. But he didn't give Eryl

487
00:22:03,319 --> 00:22:07,799
Spencer fight and he never did fight on a regular

488
00:22:07,839 --> 00:22:08,759
basis the last.

489
00:22:08,599 --> 00:22:12,559
Speaker 1: But it goes back to him losing the Manny Paciol

490
00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:15,839
derailed his career. He lost to Pacio, that he got injured,

491
00:22:15,839 --> 00:22:18,519
he didn't fight very much. He's just been out of side,

492
00:22:18,519 --> 00:22:20,119
out of mind. And that's one of my guys. That's

493
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:23,640
clear Water. That Surlana's Keith Thurman, but Pakil sent him

494
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into that.

495
00:22:24,279 --> 00:22:26,400
Speaker 2: That was not his first time having an injury that

496
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,400
cost him a lot of time. But if he wants

497
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,880
to make the most of the last couple of years

498
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,519
of his career, fighting the winner of this fight would

499
00:22:33,559 --> 00:22:36,640
be a perfect situation. And frankly, if you are a

500
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:38,759
fundor or zoo and you come out as the winner,

501
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,640
he's a guy with an excellent name who you can

502
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,440
make in a big event against, particularly if you can't

503
00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:46,720
get a fight, Like I mean, Crawford has left the

504
00:22:46,759 --> 00:22:49,319
division after one fight, so that's out the window for

505
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,640
the time being. If he comes back, I guess maybe

506
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,480
after Canelo, which is I guess a possibility. But I'm

507
00:22:54,519 --> 00:22:57,119
just saying like that's that's a very reasonable fight. It's

508
00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,279
a makeable fight there all with PBC, it fits their

509
00:23:00,319 --> 00:23:02,680
profile of a fight that they can easily put on

510
00:23:02,799 --> 00:23:03,720
as a pay per view.

511
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Speaker 3: So we'll see.

512
00:23:05,079 --> 00:23:07,079
Speaker 2: But let's get one thing done at a time, which

513
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is to see these guys do it in the second fight.

514
00:23:09,759 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 1: I love Big Dan live in Vegas. Let's go over

515
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,880
the rest of the undercard real quick, and I promise

516
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,599
we're getting to Alexander Usik and Daniel du Boise rematch

517
00:23:18,079 --> 00:23:21,319
in London, undisputed heavyweight title fight. I fully understand that

518
00:23:21,319 --> 00:23:23,640
the Brits are going why why are we talking about

519
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,119
this fight card and not the undisputed heavyweight title fight.

520
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,839
We're in the United States. Dan is in Vegas. We're

521
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,039
doing that first, but we will give the unisputed heavyweight

522
00:23:32,039 --> 00:23:33,799
title fight. It's due here in a few minutes on

523
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the show.

524
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 3: And the undercard for this fight is outstanding. And the

525
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undercard for the.

526
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Speaker 1: Isag The BRIT's called it rubbish, garbage, All right, quickly

527
00:23:45,599 --> 00:23:48,720
the undercard what intrigues you? I mentioned Pitt Bull Fierro,

528
00:23:48,839 --> 00:23:50,440
which was a good fight the first time around. Is

529
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a rematch also on this undercard. Go down the undercard

530
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:53,599
real quick.

531
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Speaker 2: Well, Fierro and pitt Bull is a fantastic remaster. First

532
00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,480
fight in February, which was on the undercard of David

533
00:23:59,519 --> 00:24:02,279
Morrell and Benavidius, which I was fortunate to also be at,

534
00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:04,519
was outstanding. It's certainly, in my mind of one of

535
00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:07,160
the top you know, two or three or four fights

536
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,400
so far this year in terms of if you're making

537
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,480
your Fight of the Year list candidates. They just went

538
00:24:12,519 --> 00:24:14,839
in there like the ultimate Mexican warriors and threw down

539
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,079
to the highest order and just battle the tooth and

540
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,480
nail the entire fight and basically delivered the all action

541
00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:22,319
type of fight that a lot of the fans expected.

542
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,640
They're talking the same way that they're gonna, you know,

543
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:27,200
come to the ring for this fight. I have no

544
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,400
doubt in my mind it will be another fun fight.

545
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:31,200
I'm not sure it necessarily can live up to the

546
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,839
first fight. You know, we'll see, but it has every

547
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,640
ear mark of being another outstanding fight. I think one

548
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,519
of the things that really had them, you know, geared

549
00:24:39,599 --> 00:24:41,000
up for what they did the first time around is

550
00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:43,839
a great remember right before they did the fight, they

551
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,920
had made it like the WBC had created their trophy

552
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,920
not out for a world title, but a trophy belt

553
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,240
called that the ASTAC Warrior Belt, I guess, and they

554
00:24:52,319 --> 00:24:54,200
and they you know, it's a very it look I

555
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,519
saw it like beforehand, a beautiful belt that they produced.

556
00:24:56,519 --> 00:24:59,480
They always make great belts, and they had Israel Vasquez's

557
00:24:59,559 --> 00:25:03,519
family at ringside. Israel a great Mexican Warrior world champion,

558
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,759
been in some awesome fights through his career, particularly the

559
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,759
Rafael Marquez fights, but he had passed away, you know,

560
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,680
in the in the recent weeks prior to this event,

561
00:25:13,759 --> 00:25:15,680
or a couple of months before the event, so they

562
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,799
were honoring him and his family was there. They presented

563
00:25:18,839 --> 00:25:22,079
the family with the belt, and you know, and Fierro

564
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,519
and Pitbull know, you know what's going on. And so

565
00:25:25,799 --> 00:25:27,759
they went out there and delivered. I think they were

566
00:25:27,839 --> 00:25:31,319
kind of jacked up because of all the attention paid

567
00:25:31,319 --> 00:25:33,559
to the family and the memory of Azquez, and they

568
00:25:33,559 --> 00:25:34,960
were like, we want to do it for our guy,

569
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:36,599
and they went out there and they did that. Now

570
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,400
that's not necessarily the case for this fight as far

571
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,319
as the family being there, but this is a rematch

572
00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:44,480
and it's another important fight for their careers because even

573
00:25:44,519 --> 00:25:47,640
though it's not like an official eliminator, let's say, certainly

574
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,039
the guy that wins is going to be in a

575
00:25:49,079 --> 00:25:52,079
great position to challenge for another Fierro's never had a

576
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,759
world title fight in my recollection. And for Pitbull, you know,

577
00:25:54,759 --> 00:25:56,599
a chance maybe to get back in the ring in

578
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,000
a world championship, but he did lose his one hundred

579
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:00,599
and forty pound title last year and I know he'd

580
00:26:00,599 --> 00:26:02,720
like to win another one, and this is a great

581
00:26:02,759 --> 00:26:05,359
avnue to get there, so that that's a great matchup.

582
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,079
And then the other pay perview fight. As far as

583
00:26:07,079 --> 00:26:09,519
what opens the card, you got a featherweight fight. It

584
00:26:09,559 --> 00:26:13,640
was upgraded to a title eliminator between Brandon between Brandon

585
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,160
figure Out and Joet Gonzalez. Figure Out has been a

586
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,759
champion in two different weight classes. Joey Gonzalez has had

587
00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:21,440
world title fights three separate times. He's clearly the underdog,

588
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,880
but he's usually in good fights, and you know, I

589
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,960
don't think this is like an unwinnable fight for him.

590
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,240
Figure Out didn't look great his last fight. Joette pulled

591
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,720
off a mild upset in his previous fight. So we'll

592
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,960
see if they can, you know, bring some magic to

593
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,279
the ring, and then there's a series of fights there

594
00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:37,720
are three bats that will take place. You don't buy

595
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,200
the pay per view, it's still part of the free

596
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,240
preliminaries that are on Prime Video. And you got some

597
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,960
good names there and there's some important stuff here. So

598
00:26:44,039 --> 00:26:47,160
number one got Gary Russell, former longtime featherweight champion who

599
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,160
hasn't fought for three and a half years, who was

600
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,079
off basically as he said, I was taking care of

601
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,319
my family. Remember their dad had died. He was raising

602
00:26:54,319 --> 00:26:56,759
his own family. He's been training his brothers who are

603
00:26:56,799 --> 00:27:00,200
also professional boxers, including Gary Antoine Russell, who was now

604
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,119
one of the title holders at one hundred and forty pounds.

605
00:27:02,279 --> 00:27:05,480
So he decided I'm coming back. He liked to get

606
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,160
revenge against Mark Megsiah who cost him his title. He

607
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,079
was talking about having a big rivalry regional fight because

608
00:27:11,079 --> 00:27:14,319
they're all from the DC area, him, Tank Davis, Yeah,

609
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,279
and Lamont Roach, so any of those would be fun

610
00:27:16,279 --> 00:27:20,160
to watch. I actually I was with team Russell when

611
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,559
I flew out here on Wednesday morning from Washington, DC.

612
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:24,640
You know, I live in that area, so it is

613
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,359
Gary and his family, but we were all on the

614
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,039
same flight together and Gary I was sitting in my

615
00:27:28,079 --> 00:27:30,799
seat already and Gary was getting on the plane and

616
00:27:30,839 --> 00:27:32,400
there was like a little bit of a pulled up

617
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,599
of the folks getting to their seats, and so he

618
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:35,960
kind of looked at me and we were like, yeah,

619
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,799
we recognize each other, Like hey, what's up, bro? And

620
00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:40,319
it was funny because I had just written it down

621
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,559
his fight in my notebook and I was on my

622
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,319
cell phone. I popped up like, Hey, Gary, I just

623
00:27:44,319 --> 00:27:44,559
wrote it.

624
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: I'm disappointed you didn't get the selfie with him in

625
00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:50,279
the isleway on the plane before the stewardesses were bothering

626
00:27:50,319 --> 00:27:52,160
both of you. Go get in your seat, mister Russell.

627
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,759
Speaker 2: But but Gary, Gary was there. He was with his brother,

628
00:27:54,759 --> 00:27:56,759
Gary Antone, who was a world champion. Was there a

629
00:27:56,799 --> 00:27:57,960
couple other folks on their team.

630
00:27:58,039 --> 00:28:00,759
Speaker 1: So, but truthfully, can I energect? Do we know what

631
00:28:00,799 --> 00:28:03,160
we're getting here from Gary Russell Jr. I mean, he's

632
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,359
been off for a while. Again, it's the same pach question.

633
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:09,519
Speaker 2: It's a lot different than PACKI number one. He's thirty seven,

634
00:28:09,599 --> 00:28:13,640
not forty six. Number two. Although not the most active

635
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,400
fighter in the world, and it was never active when

636
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,880
he was a champion. He literally fought once per year

637
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,720
during a five year title reign. But Gary never really

638
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,319
took punishment as a fighter. Gary, I suspect from a

639
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,880
damaged perspective. He's always been a very outstanding defensive fighter,

640
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,279
very very fast doesn't doesn't to my knowledge and everything

641
00:28:33,319 --> 00:28:35,759
I've known about the family, they don't cut corners when

642
00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:38,480
they train. So I'm not saying we're gonna see the

643
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,359
the Gary Russell of a prospect of the year type

644
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:43,000
Gary Russell.

645
00:28:43,079 --> 00:28:44,519
Speaker 3: And I've said this before.

646
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,599
Speaker 2: And I covered Floyd, and I covered Roy Jones, and

647
00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:48,759
I've covered a lot of greats fighters who were very

648
00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:52,119
very fast. To me, Gary Russell is the fastest fighter

649
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,599
I ever saw in my own eyes. Interesting, So he's

650
00:28:55,599 --> 00:28:57,480
immenseally talented. And we'll say I mean, at thirty seven,

651
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,160
I feel like he did waste a lot of good years.

652
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,119
But if he can come back and score a couple

653
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:02,599
of wins, he can be back in it. But you

654
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,119
got to make the commitment to be a little bit

655
00:29:04,119 --> 00:29:06,799
more active. So he's on one of those fights. Magsio

656
00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:09,440
who beat him for the title back before this three

657
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,519
and a half year sabbatical, he's on the card now.

658
00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:13,720
He's fighting at one hundred and thirty. Gary is moving

659
00:29:13,799 --> 00:29:15,880
up to one hundred and thirty five, but he would

660
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,400
like to have a rematch with Magxio to avenge that.

661
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,640
I don't know how realistic that would be if there's

662
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,079
no title, but it's still something that could be there.

663
00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:25,160
And then also on this card, and it's maybe not

664
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,160
the highest profile fight, but you've got Alan David Picasso,

665
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,640
the one hundred and twenty two pounds contender. He's fighting

666
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:34,079
one of the Kmita cousins from Japan in a ten

667
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,079
round round. This undercard, but very critical for him because

668
00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:39,319
if he wins this fight, he's going to be no

669
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,640
Ya in a way's opponent to challenge for the undisputed

670
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:46,440
title in December in Saudi Arabia. In a way has

671
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,920
already won his interim bat which was the Cardenas fight

672
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,759
that was back in May. He has his fight coming

673
00:29:51,799 --> 00:29:54,640
up in September that he has to win also against

674
00:29:54,759 --> 00:29:59,119
mj Akmadaliev. But now before any of that, this guy's

675
00:29:59,119 --> 00:29:59,880
got to win this fight.

676
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 3: I mean in a way.

677
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 2: Well, if in a way wins September and Pacasto loses,

678
00:30:03,519 --> 00:30:04,759
they'll get a new opponent for anyway.

679
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 3: But Pasto got to win this fight. Ten Ted huge.

680
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,359
Speaker 1: Make sure his place is that huge moment for him,

681
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,039
because that's a golden ticket for that December fight. Obviously,

682
00:30:14,079 --> 00:30:15,079
you're right, No, he's.

683
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 2: A he's an exciting fighter. Picasto. I've seen him fight,

684
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:20,480
you know, a bunch of times. He's kind of fluctuated

685
00:30:20,519 --> 00:30:23,559
a little bit between one twenty two and one twenty six.

686
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,119
But he's a good fighter, and you know, I'm not

687
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,160
sure what he's going to be able to do with

688
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,160
within a way, but right now it's about getting the

689
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:30,920
opportunity for.

690
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: All right, you did a great job of previewing all

691
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,079
of that. Again, if you're finding us live, and a

692
00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:38,240
lot of people are finding us live, we are here

693
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:43,160
on YouTube on Thursday afternoon as we do this live

694
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,480
with Dan in Las Vegas on the Big Fight Weekend

695
00:30:45,519 --> 00:30:48,160
YouTube channel. We remind you that after the fights are

696
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,440
all over with on Saturday night, at some point, whenever

697
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,519
Big Dan can find a moment and the Wi Fi

698
00:30:53,559 --> 00:30:55,680
et cetera, we will be live. Dan will be with

699
00:30:55,759 --> 00:30:58,799
us for a few minutes. My buddy Ricky Carroll, who

700
00:30:58,839 --> 00:31:02,240
is the managing site editor a Big Fight Weekend dot Com,

701
00:31:02,279 --> 00:31:04,799
will be a board to talk about the USIK Dubois fight,

702
00:31:04,839 --> 00:31:07,640
whatever happens, because I know that's gonna be a challenge

703
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,279
for you to watch whatever happens with that. While the

704
00:31:10,279 --> 00:31:12,160
the fight cards going on in the arena at the

705
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,440
MGM Grand in Las Vegas. Well, obviously pay attention to that.

706
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,720
We'll have a recap for a little while on Saturday night,

707
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,759
late night, Saturday night on this YouTube page. So podcast audience,

708
00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:26,440
if you're listening to us, only find us on YouTube

709
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,640
Saturday night if you want the live post fight immediate reaction,

710
00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:32,400
not the full reaction from Dan because Dan's gonna be

711
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,039
busy going every which direction. But stay tuned. That'll be

712
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:38,279
coming live. We'll get to Usk and Dubois in a

713
00:31:38,319 --> 00:31:41,519
couple of moments. But the commenters are off the chain

714
00:31:42,079 --> 00:31:45,319
right now. Let me go back and see how this

715
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,640
uh let's see wait a minute, So Nando wants to

716
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:50,640
know that your room. He says, your room looks like

717
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,279
the guiding light with soft lighting, like the like the

718
00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:58,200
soap opera. I'm not sure what that's all about, the way, Okay,

719
00:31:58,200 --> 00:31:59,240
go ahead, come.

720
00:31:59,079 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 3: To Vegas for fight.

721
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: It's well over like one hundred and thirty or forty

722
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:04,559
times or something like that.

723
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:06,039
Speaker 3: Over by time of doing it.

724
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: Most of those fights have been at the MGM, where

725
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:10,799
I've stayed either Team Over or MGM.

726
00:32:10,839 --> 00:32:13,559
Speaker 3: So I always stay at the MGM. GRD. I've stayed there.

727
00:32:14,319 --> 00:32:16,000
More than one year of my life has been in

728
00:32:16,039 --> 00:32:17,400
the MGM. GRED like I.

729
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,799
Speaker 2: JOC they should have my name on it because I'm

730
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:23,039
there all the time. Ridiculous for this particular fight. The

731
00:32:23,079 --> 00:32:25,440
Grand Tower, which is the main tower in the MGM,

732
00:32:25,799 --> 00:32:28,119
is under a renovation right now, so there's a lot

733
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,119
of their down, like a million rooms that are not available.

734
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,599
So the press media block is not at this hotel

735
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,920
at the Park MGM, like my man Mauricio is Sulaman

736
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,920
and a lot of the other dignitaries and officials, et cetera.

737
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,240
Some of the undercards or whatever, they're staying at the

738
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,039
Mandol a day and the Luxtore people are like all

739
00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:46,799
over the place. So I was like, I'm not going

740
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,960
to stay at the Park MGM. I don't like that hotel.

741
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,640
The rate was more expensive than I wanted to pay,

742
00:32:51,759 --> 00:32:55,000
certainly more than what I end up getting where I am,

743
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:58,279
so at the MGM. There's another hotel that I know

744
00:32:58,359 --> 00:33:00,480
about but have never really been in it's kind of

745
00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:03,960
to the side called the signature. One of my buddies

746
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,759
was like, you should check the signature. I'm like, that's

747
00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:09,039
a good idea. So I did. I got a use

748
00:33:09,079 --> 00:33:10,599
my Triple A card, got a little bit more.

749
00:33:11,119 --> 00:33:14,559
Speaker 1: Listen to Rayfield going in as the veteran traveler. I

750
00:33:14,599 --> 00:33:16,480
love this. Get the discounts, do it?

751
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 2: They have an affiliation with Marriott. I have a Marriott card,

752
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:21,359
so I booked through Marriott. Got a little bit more

753
00:33:21,359 --> 00:33:24,000
of a discount. Use the Triple A card. Brought in

754
00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:26,880
my number for less than I would have. I've stayed

755
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,400
at the other place. I'm on property still much closer

756
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,559
to like the Grand Garden Arena and the Media Center.

757
00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:34,960
And I have to say, I got a pretty nice

758
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:35,440
fucking room.

759
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 3: I got us. You know, they're all sleeps in this hotel.

760
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:38,079
It's nice.

761
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:43,319
Speaker 1: I can't complain, all right, Uh complaining, Yeah, you do

762
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,359
complain from time to time. All right, So wait a minute,

763
00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:48,759
I'm gonna get a couple more comments, uh in here

764
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,359
from different people. I'm having to look through all of

765
00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:53,000
it because a lot of the same people are commenting.

766
00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:56,720
Louis says, what's up, Dan, It's an honor I think

767
00:33:57,119 --> 00:33:59,160
a lot of them are watching us in England, by

768
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,400
the way, and are curious about all of this. Somebody

769
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,240
was complimenting you, Sly says you have the most realistic

770
00:34:06,279 --> 00:34:09,480
approach in picking fights, no emotional fanboy attached. Thank you, Sly.

771
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,119
We're buttering up Rayfield. It's early on a Thursday. We're

772
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:15,719
buttering up Rayfield. My buddy David Payne, the boxing writer,

773
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,360
is in here. He says, it will say much about

774
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,159
the meaning of these titles that Paqiow pulls this off

775
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:25,159
four years retire, age forty six, absolutely knackered when he

776
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,159
last knackered the British word when he last fought. You

777
00:34:29,519 --> 00:34:32,039
touched on this a few minutes ago, though, Paqui how

778
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,880
picks the spot here against a fighter that is not

779
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,320
a pound for pound fighter. He has one of the titles.

780
00:34:38,519 --> 00:34:41,719
This is not fighting Jeron Ennis. This is not much

781
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,239
less fighting Terrence Crawford, who was the welterweight champion. No

782
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,920
disrespect to Barrios having the title, but he's not an

783
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,800
all time guy. That's kind of what David means here.

784
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,679
Speaker 2: Go Ahead does have the title, but and I'm not

785
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,880
exactly sure of the definition of knackered but I think

786
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,519
it means really very well.

787
00:34:58,960 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 3: So if that's the case.

788
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:02,800
Speaker 2: When he lost the fight to Ugas in their fight,

789
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:07,960
which was right before Manny retired, yeah he lost on points,

790
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,360
but it was not like a terrible performance. It was

791
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,360
a close, competitive fight and he lost by you know,

792
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,719
a couple of points. I mean, it wasn't like he

793
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,920
got blown away. He didn't get knocked out. And and

794
00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:22,639
Ugas at his absolute best was maybe not an A fighter,

795
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,039
probably like a B plus.

796
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 3: Maybe slightly.

797
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: He was really good that night. He understood jab straight,

798
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,199
right hand, behind it, stay away from Pacquiao, win the fight,

799
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:33,239
and he executed.

800
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 2: So again it's not like he got savage and he

801
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,880
was sent into retirement. The reality is off that loss.

802
00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:42,360
There's zero question in my mind that many would have

803
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,679
continued to fight. The retirement was really based on his

804
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,239
political aspirations. He felt like, I can't be an active

805
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,039
boxer while also trying to run for the president of

806
00:35:52,039 --> 00:35:56,920
the Philippines. So he retired for those reasons. The expectation,

807
00:35:57,039 --> 00:35:59,559
and they talked about this even before the Hugus fight.

808
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,840
If the time came where he lost or he retired

809
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,719
and he ran, and he was going to run for president.

810
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,599
He was going to have to retire, but if he

811
00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:08,800
lost the election, he would come back. He did lose

812
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,039
the election, they went to try to make a fight

813
00:36:11,079 --> 00:36:13,719
with Connor Ben with Turkey Holscheek last year. It didn't

814
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:15,440
end up happening. There was lots of other fights that

815
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,000
were sort of thrown around. He then ran for another

816
00:36:18,119 --> 00:36:20,679
term in the Senate here he served a previous term

817
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,400
in the Senate. He didn't win that election either, And

818
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,400
when that happened, obviously the writing was on the while he's

819
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,119
coming back. It just so happened. Barrios had a belt.

820
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,199
It wasn't like they went to cherry pick him. They

821
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,639
wanted to fight anybody that had a title. He had

822
00:36:33,679 --> 00:36:36,559
the belt of the WBC, which is an organization many

823
00:36:36,599 --> 00:36:40,039
has held titles in for many many years throughout his career.

824
00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:43,440
Most of his world titles have been WBC titles, and

825
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,440
they're all but TBC, so it was relatively easy to make. So,

826
00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:48,960
you know, some people look at it a lot more

827
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,920
nefarious in the way that he made the comeback. I

828
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,960
don't look at it like that. He was always looking

829
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,000
to come back and this made a lot of sense.

830
00:36:55,159 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: And maybe it's going to be a joke Saturday. You

831
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,599
said that at the beginning. I've said it all along.

832
00:36:58,639 --> 00:36:59,800
Maybe it is going to be a joke. We're going

833
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,519
to all right, real quick, a couple more comments. What

834
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:08,239
is this? JEXDD sixteen seventeen says Big Fight Weekly pod

835
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,239
as reliable as a Swiss clock. Appreciate the commitment. We

836
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,840
appreciate you for finding us here on the show or

837
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:19,880
on the podcast, anything else of relevance not at the moment.

838
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,639
Keep the comments coming if you would like. All right,

839
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:27,360
let's get to Alexander Usik Daniel Dubois the sequel. This

840
00:37:27,519 --> 00:37:32,360
is in London Wimbley Stadium, Saturday afternoon US time, Saturday night,

841
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:37,760
obviously in the UK. Your initial thoughts here. The first

842
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:42,000
goal around is an Usik tko win. No knockout win,

843
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,599
now knockout win, righty? He stayed on one. He stayed

844
00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:46,079
on one knee for the ten count right after the

845
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:50,719
shot to the eye, which which I still maintain that's

846
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,000
the fractured I from before, and I'm not so sure

847
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:57,480
it didn't get reinjured that night as well. Nonetheless, Usik

848
00:37:57,519 --> 00:38:01,519
has been different since then, has a crude the IBF title,

849
00:38:01,559 --> 00:38:05,280
has knocked out Anthony Joshuall, what are your thoughts here

850
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,599
on this undisputed title fight? Usik three of the belts,

851
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,559
Dubois one of the titles, What are your thoughts on

852
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:15,119
the rematch here in London?

853
00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 3: Well, I look back.

854
00:38:17,159 --> 00:38:19,559
Speaker 2: At the first fight and it was a complete demolition job.

855
00:38:19,639 --> 00:38:22,760
Dangle Dubas was not competitive. Dangle Dubas complained about a

856
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,119
phantom low blow and Daniel Debac quit from a jab.

857
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 3: On his name.

858
00:38:25,519 --> 00:38:28,159
Speaker 2: There's a lot of negativity associated with that, so if

859
00:38:28,199 --> 00:38:29,679
you want to be a real dick about it, that's

860
00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:32,400
what you could say. But and there you have to

861
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,360
also give credit where it is due. So he came

862
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,800
off of that horrendous performance. It was a low blow

863
00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:40,840
according to me, to many others, and most importantly to

864
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,199
the referee. So that was that, And he still had

865
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,000
after that incident occurred. If he really thought he hadn't

866
00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:49,239
hurt from a legal punch, he certainly could have tried

867
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:50,920
to make hay with that. Because it was only round

868
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,239
five when that happened, there was still more than half

869
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,159
of the fight left, and he couldn't do anything with

870
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:58,760
Alexander Usik, who ended up knocking him out. Alexander Usik

871
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,920
is a future Hall of Famer and all time great fighter,

872
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,760
undisputed cruiserweight champion, undisputed heavyweight champion, Olympic gold medalists. There's

873
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:10,320
nothing he has not done. He is undefeated and he

874
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:14,119
rightly is the favorite in this rematch. However, there's if

875
00:39:14,159 --> 00:39:16,719
you're a du Bois believer, he's done it the right

876
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,239
way to come back, because he didn't just come off

877
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,840
that terrible loss to Ustik in the first fight and

878
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,000
go and take a couple of, you know, soft touches

879
00:39:24,039 --> 00:39:26,480
and score a couple of early KOs and pronounce himself,

880
00:39:26,519 --> 00:39:29,360
I'm ready to be back, you know, in the big fight. No,

881
00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:31,400
he went out, he earned the shot, so you can't

882
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,039
be upset that he's getting another opportunity despite the one

883
00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:36,800
sided nature of that fight. Like you said, he's one fights.

884
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,679
He's looked good. He knocked out Jerreal Miller who was undefeated,

885
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,400
good Win, he stopped on a series of terrible cuts

886
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,639
in a terrific fight against Philip Perginvich who was undefeated,

887
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,280
and that was to give him the interim belt. And

888
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,880
then after that he made he was elevated. He made

889
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,960
his first defense in spectacular fashion as again the underdog

890
00:39:56,039 --> 00:39:59,519
against the big favorite Anthony Joshua at Wembley Stadium and TJ.

891
00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:02,480
He didn't just win, and he didn't just score a knockout.

892
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:07,119
He scored devastating knockdown after knockdown after knockdown and finally

893
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,840
put him out with what was a candidate for the

894
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:10,719
Knockout of the Year.

895
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:15,639
Speaker 1: And truthfully, truthfully, Alexander Usik fought Anthony Joshua for twenty

896
00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:17,719
four rounds and never hurt him and knocked him down

897
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:21,079
or knocked him out. Well him, but he didn't knock

898
00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:22,000
him down and knock him out.

899
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is correct. So he performed better in the

900
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,480
in the Joshua head to head comparison that Husak had.

901
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,360
Now it is for the undisputed title, but I kind

902
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,480
of laugh at the whole nonsense of that, because the

903
00:40:32,559 --> 00:40:37,239
reality is Alexander Usik fought Tyson Fury. He had three belts.

904
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,480
Tyson Fury was the lineal champion, had the WBC title,

905
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,360
and Usik beat him in the in the twenty twenty

906
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,920
four Fight of the Year, Fantastic Fight, Historic Fight, became

907
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,199
the undisputed champ and when they fought the rematch, because

908
00:40:50,199 --> 00:40:51,679
he was obligated to do the rematch.

909
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,119
Speaker 3: The IBF did.

910
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,559
Speaker 2: What it did, which is IBF things as I always discussed,

911
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,320
and he was forced to vacate the title, so Usik

912
00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:02,599
no longer had that belt, and you have Dwawad gotten

913
00:41:02,639 --> 00:41:05,519
the interim belt, which that was the IBF breaking their

914
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:08,639
rules to allow that interim title fight to happen. I

915
00:41:08,639 --> 00:41:10,679
don't need to go over the chapter and verse of

916
00:41:10,679 --> 00:41:12,639
the minutia. We could do a whole show about that.

917
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,360
But he got the inner belt, and then because of

918
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:19,880
the contractual situation, he was elevated when Busik was forced

919
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,519
to vacate. So really Oustik is just trying to go

920
00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:24,639
back to get a belt that he really was never

921
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,400
right that they didn't rightfully be stripped of. He didn't

922
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,400
lose it in the ring, so it's like a technicality.

923
00:41:32,039 --> 00:41:34,639
But yeah, whoever wins his fights on dispute because they're

924
00:41:34,639 --> 00:41:37,159
gonna have all the belts and they're gonna be millennial champion.

925
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,199
But Ustik is you know, he didn't somehow Mara actually

926
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,320
get this IBF by beating the guy that had it,

927
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,119
which was Oustik. As a matter of fact, that my

928
00:41:46,199 --> 00:41:48,480
memory is correct, was it one of those fights on

929
00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:51,880
their undercard or in close proximity to the fight, whatever.

930
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: I do know that it may have been. The Jirell

931
00:41:57,079 --> 00:42:00,119
Miller fight was on the undercard of the first of

932
00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:05,480
the first Usik Fury I think. But nonetheless, at the

933
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,280
bottom line is how much bigger of a threat do

934
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,840
you consider Dubois this time around? Do you consider him

935
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,719
a significant threat to Usik this goal around?

936
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,559
Speaker 2: Absolutely? I do, because he is still a younger fighter.

937
00:42:18,599 --> 00:42:22,079
He's only twenty seven years old. He has a tremendous

938
00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:24,079
amount of confidence. I'm looking here. He was not on

939
00:42:24,119 --> 00:42:28,719
those undercards. He's a tremendous amount of confidence. And besides

940
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,960
what he's done with those three big wins that I

941
00:42:31,039 --> 00:42:35,000
just mentioned between Miller and Bergovic and of course Anthony Joshua.

942
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,480
Even though Alexander Usik is a phenomenal fighter, like a literal,

943
00:42:39,639 --> 00:42:43,639
legit all time type of great fighter, the fights he's

944
00:42:43,639 --> 00:42:44,360
had since.

945
00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 3: Duba are two brutal, hard, tough.

946
00:42:47,639 --> 00:42:52,079
Speaker 2: Very very hard fights against Tyson Fury, particularly the first fight,

947
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:55,679
and that takes something out of you. And he's also

948
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,159
thirty eight years old. He's also had a long career,

949
00:42:58,199 --> 00:43:00,639
not necessarily in terms of the number of profiles, but

950
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,559
you combine those fights, and he fought everybody. He had

951
00:43:03,559 --> 00:43:06,480
some tough battles. He also had a zillion amateur fights

952
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:08,599
and a very long amateur career. My point is he's

953
00:43:08,599 --> 00:43:11,719
not young in his career. So while he's still outstanding,

954
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,119
I think you can fairly say by watching those theory fights,

955
00:43:16,159 --> 00:43:20,239
there's some degree of slippage. He's not down the mound yet,

956
00:43:20,559 --> 00:43:23,239
and but he's still he's not at his absolute apex.

957
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 4: Uh.

958
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 3: And you you.

959
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: Know, once the once the gap, You know, when you're

960
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,599
at that elite level, when the gap closes just a

961
00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:33,079
little bit, it brings the other guy closer to you,

962
00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:35,119
and so that gives him a better chance. So while

963
00:43:35,159 --> 00:43:37,559
I still view Alexander Russik as the clear favorite in

964
00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:41,400
his fight, the combination of the confidence, the punching power, uh,

965
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,360
the fact they've already had the rounds with each other together,

966
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,559
so they've both been able to learn more about the

967
00:43:46,599 --> 00:43:50,480
other guy, I do think that gives Daniel Jubbah a

968
00:43:50,519 --> 00:43:52,039
little bit more of a of a chance.

969
00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:54,280
Speaker 1: The other and the other thing and the other thing

970
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,519
that we'll get into a little more. Will will preview

971
00:43:56,519 --> 00:43:58,760
these fights and handicap him further on the bet US

972
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,000
Boxing show on their Platford form on Friday. Is the

973
00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:03,920
fight is at Wembley Stadium, and so it's the first

974
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,920
time for Usik since he fought Anthony Joshua back in

975
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,920
what twenty twenty one at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium. It's the

976
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,079
first time that Usik has had to fight kind of

977
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:16,320
in the other guy's backyard, in Duba's backyard. Will that

978
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:17,039
be a factor?

979
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,599
Speaker 3: Whoa, whoa? You totally lost there.

980
00:44:19,679 --> 00:44:22,639
Speaker 2: Alexander Rusik has spent his entire championship career fighting in

981
00:44:22,639 --> 00:44:23,519
everybody's backyard.

982
00:44:23,639 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: Well, correct, correct, But the last three fights correct have

983
00:44:27,559 --> 00:44:31,320
been two with Fury in Saudi Arabia, neutral field kind of,

984
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,199
and then he fought in Poland when he fought Dubois

985
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,800
and knocked him out. He's got to be on the road.

986
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:41,159
Will Will du Wabi inspired by the Wembley crowd?

987
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure he'll be inspired by the Wembley crowd.

988
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,440
But how how Usak takes it.

989
00:44:44,679 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 3: Is like he is.

990
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:48,039
Speaker 1: Don't think it's a factory.

991
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:49,599
Speaker 3: I mean he's the fucking road. Worry.

992
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:52,079
Speaker 2: The guy fought every championship fight he had. He had

993
00:44:52,159 --> 00:44:54,000
one or two that were on neutral territory. Like when

994
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,079
he fought you know, uh to be Somchunu in Los Angeles,

995
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:01,440
South Africa against you Aida in Los Angeles. But his

996
00:45:01,519 --> 00:45:03,159
other fights, you know, he fought Michael.

997
00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 1: Only my man Rayfield could come up with that name.

998
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:06,800
I don't even know that name. And is that a

999
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,960
real name? The guy that you just listed that. I

1000
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:13,280
was all right, what's the name again? Only you could

1001
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:14,000
come up with that name.

1002
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,039
Speaker 2: On the night that on the night that Joe Smith

1003
00:45:16,079 --> 00:45:19,199
retired Bernard Hopkins, the co feature of that show was

1004
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:24,079
Alexandrusik defending his cruiserweight belt against Matuna was from South Africa.

1005
00:45:24,519 --> 00:45:26,400
So but besides that fight, if you take a look

1006
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:30,719
at the title fights, he thought Myris Braids. Then in

1007
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:33,800
the cruiserweight division, he fought Bradis and Latvia. He fought

1008
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:38,000
the unification for undisputed against Gassia in Russia, which was

1009
00:45:38,039 --> 00:45:41,000
Gassia's home country. He fought mark O Hook, a German

1010
00:45:41,039 --> 00:45:44,800
fighter in Germany. He fought Michael Hunter, an American in America,

1011
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,119
I mean point Is, and he fought Anthony Joshua Plice

1012
00:45:49,159 --> 00:45:51,079
in one you know, in in London, I mean.

1013
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,679
Speaker 1: He fought him once in London and one in once

1014
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:53,679
in Saudi Arabia, he thought.

1015
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 2: Josh also thought it wasn't a title fight, but he

1016
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,119
fought Derek Tsare in England.

1017
00:45:57,159 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 3: I mean.

1018
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,199
Speaker 2: The would be anyway a nerve freaked out or anything

1019
00:46:02,199 --> 00:46:04,239
by fighting the other guy's hometown.

1020
00:46:05,039 --> 00:46:08,159
Speaker 1: To me is not more as how much does it

1021
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,920
inspire Dubois. We'll find out and there's only so much

1022
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:11,960
the crowd can do for you.

1023
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 2: And the only time he's ever had since pre championship,

1024
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,320
because he did fight a few early fights in Ukraine

1025
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,519
before the war and everything when he fought to Whah.

1026
00:46:20,559 --> 00:46:22,360
The reason they fought in Poland is because it's so

1027
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:25,519
close to the Ukrainian border borders of the country, and

1028
00:46:25,559 --> 00:46:29,880
it's got millions of Ukrainians, some who are there because

1029
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,559
they've been there for a long long time, and obviously

1030
00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:35,039
many who were displaced because of the war and were

1031
00:46:35,079 --> 00:46:37,320
refugees that were living there. So it was the closest

1032
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,239
place they could have a fight that would give him

1033
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:41,400
at least some type of home type of flavor.

1034
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,199
Speaker 1: Again, will handicap fights on the US platforms. One Eastern

1035
00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:48,920
time Dan rayfaeld ten Am in Las Vegas, get that

1036
00:46:49,079 --> 00:46:53,639
time zone correct. There for that out issues today. He's good,

1037
00:46:53,679 --> 00:46:57,000
all right? And then there wait, there's more. There is

1038
00:46:57,039 --> 00:47:02,039
the Jesse Bam Rodriguez Junior bantamweight unified title fight with Kafu,

1039
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:06,559
the South African. This is Frisco, Texas, Saturday night in

1040
00:47:06,639 --> 00:47:09,639
the match room, de own main event. All right, gim

1041
00:47:09,639 --> 00:47:11,800
me you talked to Bam Rodriguez and the lead up

1042
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,840
to this fight. Again, the fans can watch Manny Pacquiao,

1043
00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:19,760
Mario Barrios, Daniel Dubois and Jesse Rodriguez. My man Rayfield

1044
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,719
has been killing it with the interview too much. All

1045
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:25,239
four of those interviews are live to tape on this

1046
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,920
YouTube channel. Go back and relive them. You talk to

1047
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,800
Bam in the last couple of weeks about this matchup

1048
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:36,159
with Kafu and what's on the table for him unified

1049
00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:38,519
Junior banham Way title fight. Give me a little more

1050
00:47:38,599 --> 00:47:39,639
in the preview mode here.

1051
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,079
Speaker 2: Well, first of all, in terms of the schedule, I mean,

1052
00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:44,039
the powers that be in this sport are just terrible

1053
00:47:44,119 --> 00:47:46,840
because for them to take these three sort of marquee

1054
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,159
type events and put them on the same day. This

1055
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,280
ain't basketball or football, where you know, if a typical

1056
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:55,039
NFL Sunday. There's a lot of great games that is

1057
00:47:55,119 --> 00:47:57,679
just it is just ridiculous. I mean, and especially with

1058
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,480
the band fight and the Usk and Duwari because they're

1059
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,079
both on the same platform, and I grant that they're

1060
00:48:03,079 --> 00:48:05,320
not going to overlap with each other to some degree,

1061
00:48:05,559 --> 00:48:08,320
but they shouldn't be on the same day, particularly when

1062
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,760
you also have Manny Pacyo, so you know, a pox

1063
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,800
on everybody's house that puts these fights on. I love that,

1064
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,360
you know, particularly when there's not that much going on

1065
00:48:17,039 --> 00:48:18,840
next week and it's just like.

1066
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: In the following week, so.

1067
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,519
Speaker 2: Like there's other times, but whatever, but the fight itself. Look,

1068
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:25,400
Bam has been a tremendous fighter. He's one of the

1069
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,920
top pound for pound fighters in boxing. He had been

1070
00:48:28,159 --> 00:48:31,280
a champion in the junior bannamweight division. He vacated his titles,

1071
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,159
he moved down in wait he became a unified title

1072
00:48:34,159 --> 00:48:36,679
holder in the flyweight division and then said okay, I'm

1073
00:48:36,679 --> 00:48:39,000
good and I'm moving back up and he came back

1074
00:48:39,039 --> 00:48:41,159
to that weight class and he did the job on

1075
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:44,599
Wan franciscuas Strada, future Hall of Famer, knocked him out. Looks,

1076
00:48:44,679 --> 00:48:47,239
you know, it was a terrific fight, got that victory

1077
00:48:47,639 --> 00:48:49,960
and then made a mandatory defense and know two great

1078
00:48:50,039 --> 00:48:52,960
knockouts Lasher he destroyed Guevara and a you know, a

1079
00:48:53,039 --> 00:48:54,400
knockout of the ear type of knockout.

1080
00:48:54,679 --> 00:48:56,159
Speaker 3: And he was looking for the unification. Now.

1081
00:48:56,199 --> 00:49:00,239
Speaker 2: His team was talking to Fernando Martinez, Puma mar tina

1082
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,280
Is about doing a unification fight, and as Bam said

1083
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,960
to me in our interview, one day, that sort of

1084
00:49:05,039 --> 00:49:07,719
just disappeared and that sort of fell down, and you know,

1085
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,039
for whatever the reason was, it wasn't gonna happen. So

1086
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:12,880
he was sort of not sure what was going I

1087
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,880
need to have a fight schedule. He wanted another unification fight,

1088
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,599
and so at that moment, the IBF title was vacant,

1089
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,920
and that left the options to either try to make

1090
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,639
the Martinez fight again or to pursue from Malayle Cafu,

1091
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,280
who had gone to Japan first time, leaving his home

1092
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,920
country of South Africa. He has scored an upset against

1093
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,119
Tanaka to win the title, and then all of a sudden, okay,

1094
00:49:34,159 --> 00:49:36,760
I'll fight band because you know, Kafu maybe could have

1095
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,400
lost to anybody. Clearly, the biggest money he could make,

1096
00:49:39,639 --> 00:49:41,880
he wanted to unify also, matter of fact, when he

1097
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,039
won the title. When his post fight interview in the

1098
00:49:44,119 --> 00:49:46,360
Ring in Japan, he said, I want to fight Jesse

1099
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:47,199
Van Rodriguez.

1100
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,039
Speaker 3: And by the way, TJ, there ain't a lot of

1101
00:49:49,079 --> 00:49:52,320
guys calling out just yeah, I agree that that was

1102
00:49:52,599 --> 00:49:53,400
I felt good about that.

1103
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,639
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, this guy's showing some you know, some

1104
00:49:55,679 --> 00:49:59,159
real vigor here, some real interest. So he's going to Frisco, Texas.

1105
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,960
It's not exact a hometown fight for Jesse because he's

1106
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,039
from San Antonio, but it might as well be. He's

1107
00:50:04,039 --> 00:50:04,960
a Texan and it's.

1108
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: Not that far away in regional fights the world.

1109
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,199
Speaker 2: Again from South Africa, but Kafu is not a very

1110
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,920
experienced fighter at the highest level. Other than Tanaka, he

1111
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,440
only had the one fight outside of his home country.

1112
00:50:17,039 --> 00:50:18,840
There's good fighters in South Africa, but if you look

1113
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,679
at his record and his resume, there's not a lot

1114
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,159
of names to go by. He's only eleven to zero

1115
00:50:24,159 --> 00:50:26,519
to three, so he doesn't have a tremendous amount of

1116
00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:30,679
professional experience and so obviously BAM is a heavy favorite.

1117
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:33,760
But what makes it more significant besides just the fact

1118
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,440
that the winner is going to have these two titles,

1119
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,239
both the WBO and the WBC, not to mention the

1120
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,719
lineal as well. But in the two weeks leading up

1121
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:46,480
to the fight, you have Turkey alshk announcing that if

1122
00:50:46,639 --> 00:50:49,079
Bam is the winner, when they do their big show

1123
00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:52,199
on November twenty second in Riad, which is headlined by

1124
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,639
David Benavitez against Anthony Yard, will have Devin Haney on

1125
00:50:55,679 --> 00:50:59,840
there in the challenge at welterweight against Brian Norman.

1126
00:51:00,119 --> 00:51:01,800
Speaker 3: You know, it's just a loaded show. Now.

1127
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:03,679
Speaker 2: One of the fights on that card will also be

1128
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:07,639
BAM in a three belt unification fight against Fernando Puma Martinez.

1129
00:51:07,639 --> 00:51:09,840
So he's getting the fight he wanted. It's is not

1130
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,280
going to be in Frisco on Saturday. It is going

1131
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:14,639
to have to wait until November in Saudi Arabia. But

1132
00:51:14,639 --> 00:51:16,000
but to get there, he's got to win the fight.

1133
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:19,199
So that puts some pressure on him and makes what

1134
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,440
was already very interesting fight even that much more interesting.

1135
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: All right, We look forward to that again. That is

1136
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,480
Saturday night, probably along the same timeframe as either the

1137
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:33,719
Fondura zoo Co feature or the Pacquiao Barrios main event.

1138
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:38,440
Bam Rodriguez fighting on his own with CFU from South

1139
00:51:38,519 --> 00:51:41,519
Africa one hundred and fifteen pound unification world title fight

1140
00:51:41,559 --> 00:51:44,199
we're about to be done on the preview. You got

1141
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:49,280
a little other fight news speaking of Turkey, alashk and

1142
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:54,000
the ring TV arm and more. What we've got some

1143
00:51:54,039 --> 00:51:57,239
fights being firmed up. They did. He did put it

1144
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,119
out on social media that they're not going to do

1145
00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:01,599
pay per views any more for the ring cards and

1146
00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:03,960
for the ri odd season. That may have something to

1147
00:52:04,039 --> 00:52:05,400
do with the fact that not a whole lot of

1148
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,480
people are buying the pay per views. Those two things

1149
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,440
can be connected. But what else fight news wise? Do

1150
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:10,079
we have real quick?

1151
00:52:10,159 --> 00:52:13,039
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's the big thing. They Turkey announced on

1152
00:52:13,199 --> 00:52:16,760
Wednesday that UH he had a meeting with the UH,

1153
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,840
with the CEO of the Zone in London, which is

1154
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,800
where he is because he's attending the fight that's taking

1155
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:27,039
place this weekend between Alexander Usak and Dango Duba and UH.

1156
00:52:27,079 --> 00:52:29,519
And they met and and they've decided that they're no

1157
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:32,039
longer gonna do. You know, I can't speak for de

1158
00:52:32,119 --> 00:52:34,639
Zone as a total totality of a company, because you

1159
00:52:34,639 --> 00:52:37,239
remember they have done UH pay per views with Jake

1160
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,719
Paul and that sort of thing that's right and whatever,

1161
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,639
and who knows what Natural will wind up doing or

1162
00:52:43,039 --> 00:52:45,360
if Frank Warren will want to do some other pay

1163
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,440
per view activity or any other promoter that they may

1164
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:51,119
work with. But in terms of terms of the the

1165
00:52:51,199 --> 00:52:54,800
read season cards and the Ring Magazine events, uh, he said,

1166
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:56,519
we're no longer going to do pay per views, which

1167
00:52:56,559 --> 00:52:58,639
is great because there's been a ton of pay per

1168
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:04,639
views the Zones. Between April and August, they have six

1169
00:53:04,679 --> 00:53:06,639
pay per views, not all ring in riad season, but

1170
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:09,519
six pay per views, and if you add up the

1171
00:53:09,559 --> 00:53:11,760
total cost of all of those events, you're talking about

1172
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,760
an amount of money that is probably almost as much

1173
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:16,480
as if you bought the Zone for a whole year

1174
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,199
for the rest of the fights that they get. So

1175
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,000
they are doing away with it now. This will start

1176
00:53:20,039 --> 00:53:23,159
not right away, So Saturday's Dubois and Usik fight is

1177
00:53:23,159 --> 00:53:25,519
still a pay per view on the Zone. The August

1178
00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:29,840
card that's in God with Moses to Tama against Dylan White,

1179
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,480
that's still a pay per view. But starting with their

1180
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,880
November twenty second card that we just mentioned, that's the

1181
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,480
big one that's gonna have Hany against Brian Norman, and

1182
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:41,159
Bam if he wins against Martinez and Benavide's against Antony Yard.

1183
00:53:41,159 --> 00:53:44,440
Not to mention Abdullah Mason against Sam Noakes, which is

1184
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,159
a fucking loaded show that will not be a pay

1185
00:53:47,159 --> 00:53:50,400
per view, that will be free to subscribers, the same

1186
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,199
way Netflix is making Canelo and Crawford free to subscribers,

1187
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,840
the same way Netflix did the same with Mike Tyson

1188
00:53:57,199 --> 00:54:00,599
against Jake Paul and then last week's show with the women,

1189
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,199
the big loaded women's car topped off by Amanda Serrano

1190
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:06,800
in the third fight with Katie Taylor. So this is

1191
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,079
a positive development. And it wasn't just Turkey that was saying.

1192
00:54:10,199 --> 00:54:14,639
It was the de Zone CEO that went on his

1193
00:54:14,679 --> 00:54:17,519
social media and said that we support this. We're gonna

1194
00:54:17,559 --> 00:54:21,960
grow boxing. So look, this is how de Zone came

1195
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,760
to be in the first place, right when they started

1196
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,679
their their service in the United States in twenty eighteen.

1197
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,400
It had been around for a couple of years before that,

1198
00:54:28,599 --> 00:54:30,480
but when they entered the American market and they were

1199
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:33,239
gonna make boxing a very big cornerstone of what their

1200
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,559
programming offerings were, pay per view is dead. And I've

1201
00:54:36,599 --> 00:54:39,960
said I came to Las Vegas, I believe it was

1202
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,760
the Canelo Alvarez versus Danny Jacobs fight, and it was

1203
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,920
at the Timobile Arena and in the Big Plaza that's

1204
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,039
right out front of the arena, they had literally a

1205
00:54:47,079 --> 00:54:49,559
big tent and there was a big sign on tops

1206
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:53,400
that PPV is dead, and they were giving like fans,

1207
00:54:53,679 --> 00:54:55,920
you could walk into this tent with a hammer and

1208
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,559
smash a TV like Skimbalaga, no more for view.

1209
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:02,039
Speaker 1: Want to confirm you did not do that. You did

1210
00:55:02,079 --> 00:55:04,079
not go hit the TV with the sledgehammer that pay

1211
00:55:04,119 --> 00:55:04,599
per view was.

1212
00:55:04,599 --> 00:55:07,199
Speaker 3: Dead, That is correct. I did not do that.

1213
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 2: But that was the point though, that they were making,

1214
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,079
and they advertised they made funny videos.

1215
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 1: And then they turned right around about three fights in

1216
00:55:16,519 --> 00:55:20,159
and started putting on pay per view, not just fight, but.

1217
00:55:20,119 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 3: They were putting like Regius program against.

1218
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,639
Speaker 4: Devin Haney and you know, and they would do things

1219
00:55:24,679 --> 00:55:26,239
that made no sense to you, like in the in

1220
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,840
the in the British market, for them to serve up

1221
00:55:29,119 --> 00:55:32,079
Connor Ben against Chris Youuban on pay per view, that

1222
00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:32,719
makes sense.

1223
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,679
Speaker 2: To have Connor Ben against against Chris you bank as

1224
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:40,360
a pay per view in other markets around the world nonsensical.

1225
00:55:40,559 --> 00:55:42,760
The only big show they did that was related to

1226
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,199
Rhead and I'm not sure why this one was different

1227
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:45,960
than the other ones.

1228
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:46,280
Speaker 1: Was.

1229
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,559
Speaker 2: I remember in November of last year they did the

1230
00:55:48,639 --> 00:55:52,280
Latino Knight that was against billim Smith and a lot

1231
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,239
of other good matchups. That fight was free for everybody

1232
00:55:56,039 --> 00:55:57,360
but your subscription.

1233
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:58,760
Speaker 1: It was not pay per view, right right.

1234
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:02,280
Speaker 2: That is correct, And so now going forward in beginning

1235
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,000
with the November show, they claim that all these Ring

1236
00:56:05,079 --> 00:56:09,400
Magazine and read season cards will be free the subscription.

1237
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:13,039
Now you have to ask the question. Okay, that's good

1238
00:56:13,039 --> 00:56:15,719
and thank you. We appreciate that as boxing fans, but

1239
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,880
how much is that going to mean another subscription increase?

1240
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,679
Speaker 1: That's right? You know, well they got to jack the prices.

1241
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,639
We'll see on that. Hey, one other item, I just

1242
00:56:25,639 --> 00:56:29,239
saw this on social media earlier this afternoon. Lamont Roach

1243
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,679
has apparently confirmed he's not fighting Jervonte Davis. No big

1244
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:36,519
surprise there in August, but Lamont Roach said, we're something

1245
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:39,360
you alluded to. We're not even sure if we're gonna

1246
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,880
get to fight him again right now with his legal

1247
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,800
troubles and whatever, do you know any more about the

1248
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,559
legs for a Roach fight with Shaquor Stevenson, somebody else

1249
00:56:50,039 --> 00:56:51,920
or the is the Roach camp just we don't know

1250
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,960
for sure. Are they just gonna sit and float along

1251
00:56:54,079 --> 00:56:57,519
and wait on his Javonte Davis available? But Lamont Roach

1252
00:56:57,559 --> 00:57:00,480
said on the record, we don't know if we're fighting

1253
00:57:00,519 --> 00:57:03,119
Gervonte Davis next now or not, if there even is

1254
00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:03,519
is a fight.

1255
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 2: They do have a contract to fight Lamont Roach, that's

1256
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,079
the first thing, so they'd have to deal with that aspect.

1257
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,760
I think what he means is because there's the the uh,

1258
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:13,719
the legal troubles.

1259
00:57:14,519 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, right there.

1260
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 2: It's just there's not a lot of clarity on whether

1261
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,480
or not Davis will be available and if he is available,

1262
00:57:20,519 --> 00:57:23,519
when they'll be available because of the legal troubles and

1263
00:57:23,519 --> 00:57:26,519
and and everything that goes around that. So the fact

1264
00:57:26,519 --> 00:57:28,320
that he's not fighting August sixteenth, I could have told

1265
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:30,360
you that even before tank on a wresting right go back,

1266
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,000
you know, three weeks ago, there was almost no chance

1267
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,079
that was happening, and all the things that should get

1268
00:57:35,079 --> 00:57:36,719
done that hadn't gotten done before.

1269
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 3: You have a paper gap. Now.

1270
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 2: I may not have been in touch directly with Lamont himself,

1271
00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:43,360
but I have been in regular touch with Key people

1272
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:46,599
on Lamont Roach's team on an almost daily basis for

1273
00:57:46,679 --> 00:57:49,639
the last couple of weeks, and they are very frustrated

1274
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,639
they don't have answers from PBC. And I'm not blaming

1275
00:57:52,639 --> 00:57:54,639
PBC because I think they don't have answers from Dang

1276
00:57:54,719 --> 00:57:57,880
Davis and you also don't. You can't make any decisions

1277
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,360
because Team Roach and PBE they don't control the legal

1278
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,760
system that's going on in South Florida. So everything is

1279
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,519
up in the air now. As far as another fight

1280
00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:10,400
that's being pursued, I don't think there's anything to that

1281
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,000
that's happened yet because they still have to wait to

1282
00:58:13,039 --> 00:58:15,199
see what's going to happen in terms of their own

1283
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:19,280
contractual obligations with the fight. So if it is determined

1284
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,639
that he's not going to be available for a period

1285
00:58:21,679 --> 00:58:24,639
of time, certainly they're gonna want to pursue some other fight.

1286
00:58:24,679 --> 00:58:26,239
They're not going to just let a guy coming off

1287
00:58:26,280 --> 00:58:29,360
such a great performance against such a big name just

1288
00:58:29,519 --> 00:58:31,639
rot on the vine and not try to take advantage.

1289
00:58:31,639 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 3: But by the same token.

1290
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:34,679
Speaker 2: They had a lot of money riding on the rematch,

1291
00:58:34,719 --> 00:58:37,280
and we'll see if they can secure another fight that

1292
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:38,360
would come even close to that.

1293
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 3: Kind of money.

1294
00:58:39,159 --> 00:58:40,480
Speaker 1: All right, I know you want to get out of

1295
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,800
here too, because you've got stuff to do. In Las Vegas.

1296
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,199
We've got a lot of peeps asking questions real quick.

1297
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:48,360
Aaron wants to know, is Usik fighting Fury in twenty

1298
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:53,880
twenty six? Like Turkey said official? Assuming that Usik wins Saturday?

1299
00:58:54,119 --> 00:58:58,119
Did Turkey al shehic ever say yeah, that's definitely happening,

1300
00:58:58,239 --> 00:59:01,119
or did Fury more so? So, Hey, it's gonna happen.

1301
00:59:01,199 --> 00:59:01,920
Will make it happen.

1302
00:59:02,599 --> 00:59:05,039
Speaker 2: It was Turkey that said here in twenty twenty six,

1303
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:10,280
Fury Usik three. But I don't think that's official because

1304
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:14,280
a if Usik doesn't win, Yeah, I don't think there's

1305
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,400
gonna be a big public demand to see the third fight.

1306
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,760
I frankly think even if he does win, I don't

1307
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,679
think there is either. So but one thing I'll say,

1308
00:59:21,719 --> 00:59:23,760
if it does happen, supposedly, it won't be on pay

1309
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:24,360
per view.

1310
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:25,039
Speaker 3: So okay.

1311
00:59:25,079 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: Allegedly, Jack brings up this point too. He says, do

1312
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,199
you like it when fighters have fights set up down

1313
00:59:31,239 --> 00:59:34,239
the line? Can fighters get distracted? Whether it's Usik in

1314
00:59:34,239 --> 00:59:37,880
this case you mentioned, vam Rodriguez has something potentially lurking.

1315
00:59:38,199 --> 00:59:40,920
You mentioned what is a David alled Picasso on the

1316
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,360
undercard of the Pickway on pay per beew He may

1317
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,119
have in a way in December. What about already having

1318
00:59:46,159 --> 00:59:50,760
the carrot out there. We've seen this Ryan Garcia lost

1319
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:54,119
with a Devin Haney rematch looming right, it happened.

1320
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 2: In a way, has his fight coming up in septemberrols

1321
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:58,840
before December. To me, the biggest one in history that

1322
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,360
I can think of, because maybe it's not the biggest history,

1323
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:03,320
but for me, it was just so stupid that they

1324
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,199
did the intern fight. You had I'm gonna date myself.

1325
01:00:06,639 --> 01:00:09,880
You had Lennox Lewis as the heavyweight champion, and you

1326
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:13,000
had Tommy Morrison or you know, yeah at the time,

1327
01:00:13,039 --> 01:00:15,679
actually Tommy had the I guess he was the WBO champion,

1328
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:17,639
but he had a fight set up with Lennox Lewis.

1329
01:00:17,639 --> 01:00:20,599
It was done signed eight something million dollars for Tommy

1330
01:00:20,599 --> 01:00:23,000
to win, you know, if he won the interim fight

1331
01:00:23,679 --> 01:00:24,960
or not, if he won the Ron fight, if he

1332
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:26,719
didn't take the Enron fight and just fought Lenox an

1333
01:00:26,719 --> 01:00:29,519
eight million dollar contract. You know, eight million dollars back

1334
01:00:29,559 --> 01:00:31,960
is a lot of money anyway, but back then was astronomical.

1335
01:00:32,079 --> 01:00:33,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, thirty years ago.

1336
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,599
Speaker 2: He decided I'm going to take a hometown fight against

1337
01:00:36,599 --> 01:00:38,960
a little known guy named Michael Bent and he went

1338
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:40,239
in the ring and he got his ass kick, he

1339
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,559
got knocked the fuck out in the first and Lex

1340
01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:45,519
Lewis fight and the payday went away. Now, he ultimately

1341
01:00:45,599 --> 01:00:48,000
fought Lenox a few years later, but it wasn't for

1342
01:00:48,039 --> 01:00:50,840
the title, and it wasn't nearly the money, and it

1343
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:52,840
was the dumbest move in the history of boxing to me,

1344
01:00:53,159 --> 01:00:55,880
to take that kind of gamble for no reason.

1345
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:58,679
Speaker 3: Now, do I like it? I mean I don't. I

1346
01:00:58,679 --> 01:01:00,280
don't like it. I don't disc like it.

1347
01:01:00,599 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 2: I think it's kind of stupid for some times, in

1348
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,679
certain instances to do that for no apparent reason. And

1349
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,719
there's look there, Remember when back years ago you had

1350
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,519
Bernard Hopkins and Oscar de la Hoya fighting on the

1351
01:01:11,559 --> 01:01:14,039
same card in a double header to set up their

1352
01:01:14,079 --> 01:01:18,159
fight against each other. And Bernard Hopkins defended his middleway

1353
01:01:18,239 --> 01:01:20,679
title and he had three of the belts, and you

1354
01:01:20,679 --> 01:01:23,559
had Oscar de la Hoya, who ended up winning the

1355
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:27,239
WBO belt against Felix Stern. Everybody knows Oscar didn't win

1356
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,320
that fight. He got a gift that night, and it

1357
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:31,760
was the matter to keep that fight together. It happens

1358
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:32,400
all the time.

1359
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,679
Speaker 1: Man and Wilder and Joshua were slated to meet, and

1360
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:40,239
Wilder looked awful against Joseph Parker and signed contracts. So

1361
01:01:41,599 --> 01:01:42,159
it happens.

1362
01:01:43,159 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 3: But there are certain.

1363
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,119
Speaker 2: Fighters that are able to focus and to put that

1364
01:01:46,199 --> 01:01:49,079
aside and not let that bother them. I think Usik,

1365
01:01:49,159 --> 01:01:51,679
I mean, whether the third fight with Theory is real

1366
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,159
or not. Usik's the perfect kind of guy that wouldn't

1367
01:01:54,159 --> 01:01:56,679
be under for one second. You know, he's like a metronome.

1368
01:01:56,679 --> 01:01:58,280
He doesn't give a shit, and you know he just

1369
01:01:58,320 --> 01:01:59,719
goes in the ring and does the fight, and then

1370
01:01:59,719 --> 01:02:00,960
what happens after it happens.

1371
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,159
Speaker 1: Absolutely so anyway.

1372
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:04,599
Speaker 2: It's a reasonable question, but I don't really have a

1373
01:02:04,639 --> 01:02:05,920
strong opinion either way about it.

1374
01:02:06,159 --> 01:02:09,679
Speaker 1: And for Usik, again, this would be another rematch win

1375
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:12,960
if he gets it, rematch win over Joshua, rematch winover Fury.

1376
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,239
Does he get another one over Dujuan? And then you

1377
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,079
really start asking what's really left for him to prove

1378
01:02:18,119 --> 01:02:20,599
and demonstrate. Okay, one more time before we're gone, We

1379
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Listen up peepe summer sale going on for the substack.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, take advantage, get your ten percent off, and

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it's all you can eat. You can get everything that's

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behind the paywall, including uh, you name it, whatever you need.

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I mean, I do put out some pre stuff obviously,

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but you get everything.

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Speaker 1: For example, you put out you ranked Manny Paciow's eight

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world titles in eight different divisions, which one is which?

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That's good for debate with many his input, Yes, and

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you You also break a lot of news that goes

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behind that paywall as well. So again, take advantage of

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the summer sale. Danrayfield dot substack dot com, the fight

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Freaks Unite Substack, take advantage of that for this weekend.

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All right, I will see you again on Friday at

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one Eastern time on the bet us platforms, their YouTube,

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their social media. You and I will predict the fights,

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including Pacman and Barrios, including Usik Dubois. The rematch Bam

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Rodriguez's junior bantamweight title defense. Let's do that on Friday,

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and I say, once again, make sure that you are

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subscribed here, make sure you have the notification, et cetera,

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because whatever happens coming on Saturday night, we're gonna go

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live with a recap show right here on this YouTube channel.

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The first time that you'll get recap reaction will be

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on the YouTube channel for the podcast audience. You'll eventually

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get a podcast recap, but we're doing this on YouTube

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with some exclusive unique content that's there first. Other than that,

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it's midday for you in Vegas. Go have fun. I

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can't I can't be in charge of your social calendar

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here for the next forty eight hours for the fight.

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You and I saw Jerry Seinfeld. By the way, two

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years ago for the Terrence Crawford Errol Spence Big Walter

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Waite showdown. We saw Jerry Seinfeld a couple of nights before.

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That was hilarious. I don't know what else you're up to.

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I don't know if you're gonna hit the craps table later.

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You gotta go see Celine Dion. Is she still there

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or Adele or somebody else. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I can't be who's here singing? And you know.

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Speaker 1: I saw Rick Springfield. Rick Springfield still going around. You know,

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Rick Springfield. Right, you're feeling me from the eighties. You

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better love somebody. Rick Springfield. I saw him at the

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MGM Brand But okay, but Rick Springfield with Missus Reeves

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at the MGM Grand was outstanding. We saw him nearly

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thirty years ago. He's doing this futuristic show where he's

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flying around the MGM Grand Concert Hall on a saucer

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and I kid you not Rayfield. The next week. The

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next week, in July of ninety eight, he fell off

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the saucer and broke his arm and couldn't do the

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show for like another six weeks. So we felt fortunate

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to see him. So if you see Rick Springfield, tell

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him hello from the Reeves while you're out there. Ye

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all right, great stuff on this again. We'll see you

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on the bet Us Show and again for the YouTube audience,

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a recap pod Saturday night at some point late other

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than that. Thank you, Dan Rayfield as always, have a

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great weekend and we'll see what many Pacquiao has left,

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if anything, in this fight coming up. On at night.

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Thank you Dan, be well sir, see you later. There

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we go. We are done for this edition of the

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Big Fight Weekend Preview, the show on YouTube and the

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preview pie. Bye MHM.