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True Murder with your 60 00:02:34.159 --> 00:02:49.280 host journalist and author Dan Zufanski Good Evening. Known as 61 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:54.159 the Vampire Rapist or Strangler Bill for his distinctive modus operandi, 62 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:58.039 Wayne Bowden would rape, strangle, and bite the breast of 63 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:03.080 his victims. Rampage would continue in two cities over three years. 64 00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:06.800 He was only caught by superior evidence gathering and the 65 00:03:06.879 --> 00:03:10.639 help of an orthodontist. This book asked a question, how 66 00:03:10.719 --> 00:03:13.039 do we really know people when we don't want to 67 00:03:13.159 --> 00:03:15.639 ask the questions, not only because we don't want to 68 00:03:15.719 --> 00:03:17.759 know the answers for what it will tell us about them, 69 00:03:18.439 --> 00:03:22.639 but because of what it tells about ourselves. True crime 70 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:25.960 author Alan R. Warn takes you through the details of 71 00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:28.560 the case, including the dental impressions used in court to 72 00:03:28.639 --> 00:03:32.199 convict Boden, a first in Canadian history, as well as 73 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:34.599 Boden's escape from a maximum security prison. 74 00:03:35.560 --> 00:03:39.479 The book that we're featuring this evening is Bloodthirst True 75 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:44.879 Story of Wayne Bowden, Vampire Rapists, serial Killer, with my 76 00:03:44.960 --> 00:03:48.199 special guest, journalist and author and podcaster Alan R. 77 00:03:48.400 --> 00:03:48.680 Warren. 78 00:03:49.039 --> 00:03:51.000 Welcome back to the program, and thank you very much 79 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:53.599 for a greeted hiss interview. Alan R. Warren. 80 00:03:54.560 --> 00:03:56.680 Well, thank you for having me. It's always a pleasure. 81 00:03:57.960 --> 00:04:02.879 Thank you very much. It is always our pleasure. Let's 82 00:04:02.919 --> 00:04:05.080 get right to this. I won't ask why you got 83 00:04:05.159 --> 00:04:08.080 involved in this. This is just an incredible story, and 84 00:04:08.280 --> 00:04:14.520 so get to this incredible story. You opened this book 85 00:04:14.639 --> 00:04:20.560 with talking about Wayne Boden's early life and where he 86 00:04:20.680 --> 00:04:24.120 grew up. Which has done this Ontario? So tell our audience, 87 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:28.639 our international and American audience, where done this is in 88 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:33.000 comparison to say, Toronto and the nearest big city that 89 00:04:33.079 --> 00:04:36.040 it's located to before we talk about the early life 90 00:04:36.560 --> 00:04:37.680 of Wayne Boden. 91 00:04:39.160 --> 00:04:42.439 Well done. This is really just a couple of miles 92 00:04:42.519 --> 00:04:47.680 from Hamilton, Ontario, and now it's kind of surrounded by Hamilton. 93 00:04:47.759 --> 00:04:50.680 It's become part of the city. But back when he 94 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:54.040 grew up there in the sixties, it was very rural 95 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:58.120 and not even really a city. It's more of a 96 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:04.240 rural town. Just it's just it's hard to explain. So 97 00:05:04.839 --> 00:05:07.000 he didn't grow up in a big community. It was 98 00:05:07.160 --> 00:05:12.240 very small and very everybody kind of knew everybody, and 99 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:17.879 it's one of those picturesque communities that you sort of 100 00:05:17.959 --> 00:05:22.279 see on little house in the prairie type thing. Right, Yeah, 101 00:05:22.480 --> 00:05:26.680 so nothing, you know, one of those wholesome communities. You know, 102 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:33.399 walk six miles school and back. So it's it's kind 103 00:05:33.439 --> 00:05:36.800 of a nice area to grow up in. And since then, 104 00:05:36.839 --> 00:05:39.439 of course it's it's kind of the city of Hamilton's 105 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:42.759 grown right out and around it and kind of in 106 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:46.759 in compass, just taken everything into it. So it's it's 107 00:05:46.800 --> 00:05:50.439 a different place now than what it was when he 108 00:05:50.600 --> 00:05:52.560 grew up there in the sixties. 109 00:05:55.120 --> 00:05:58.279 Now you talk about Wayne's father's named Albert. You said 110 00:05:58.279 --> 00:06:01.160 he worked in a factory. He died when he was eighteen, 111 00:06:01.279 --> 00:06:03.879 and his mother was named Laverna, and she was thirty 112 00:06:03.959 --> 00:06:06.680 four when she had Wayne, and he was an older child. 113 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:10.040 So tell us what you did find about his upbringing, 114 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:14.759 as much as you could find out about his somewhat 115 00:06:14.839 --> 00:06:18.079 strange upbringing in this dome was there. 116 00:06:18.279 --> 00:06:19.920 It was kind of yeah, it was kind of scattered, 117 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:23.800 you know. He seems like his father died he was 118 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:28.319 still fairly young, and he never really had a connection 119 00:06:28.480 --> 00:06:33.759 with his father. His parents slept in separate rooms, and 120 00:06:33.959 --> 00:06:36.800 his mother was quite a bit older, and she didn't 121 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:40.720 read and write, but she used Wayne to do a 122 00:06:40.800 --> 00:06:44.240 lot of the things for him for her in the 123 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:47.040 household that she couldn't do because she couldn't read and write. 124 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:53.639 She was very strict, authoritative, and it just had things 125 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:56.040 that everything had to be done at a certain time, 126 00:06:56.879 --> 00:06:59.360 everybody ate at the right time. Like it was very 127 00:07:00.040 --> 00:07:05.920 you know, very planned precise, and she didn't take much 128 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:09.279 for any sort of variance. So if he was late 129 00:07:09.399 --> 00:07:12.560 or if in order he got wrong with the dairy 130 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:14.800 man and things like that, he would get in a 131 00:07:14.839 --> 00:07:18.399 lot of heck for it from her. And there wasn't 132 00:07:18.839 --> 00:07:24.279 really a loving relationship. There was no no bonding there. 133 00:07:24.879 --> 00:07:26.439 There was. I don't know if it was the age 134 00:07:26.519 --> 00:07:30.040 that cost us, the diff difference in age and what 135 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:33.680 exactly it was, and having no siblings. He spent a 136 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:38.600 lot of his time alone and now at school, he 137 00:07:38.720 --> 00:07:42.480 played on the football team, but yet was not real popular. 138 00:07:43.399 --> 00:07:46.319 And the girls liked him because he had a good 139 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:51.000 build and he was very quiet, soft spoken, and you know, 140 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:55.079 handsome for them. So the girls did like him. But 141 00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:58.680 he spent his time with teachers, and he was known 142 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:01.480 kind of as a teacher's pet. You know, he would 143 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:04.480 stay after class, you know, and clean the boards and 144 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:07.480 do all the things that you know, a lot of 145 00:08:07.519 --> 00:08:09.279 people kind of thought of him as a teacher suck, 146 00:08:09.399 --> 00:08:12.399 you know, that kind of image, and he did get 147 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:16.519 himself into a few fights. So he wasn't real close 148 00:08:16.600 --> 00:08:19.839 to anybody in school and didn't have a lot of 149 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:24.759 friends or relationships with people, so it was kind of 150 00:08:24.839 --> 00:08:28.160 a He spent a lot of time alone, and as 151 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:31.319 we learned later, he sort of fantasized a lot and 152 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:35.320 had dreams for himself becoming something and someone very popular, 153 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:37.440 even though he was very shy. 154 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:40.039 You also talk and I think this is very important 155 00:08:40.200 --> 00:08:42.480 that you didn't really make this obvious, but very very 156 00:08:42.559 --> 00:08:45.799 interesting psychologically, is that you talked about his mother not 157 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:47.399 being able to read or write, and he kind of 158 00:08:47.480 --> 00:08:50.279 resented that she didn't, and that she was embarrassed. And 159 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:52.639 you write in a book that he told his teachers 160 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:55.919 at school that she wasn't even alive. That's how embarrassed 161 00:08:55.960 --> 00:08:59.039 he was. And part of this fantasizing, too, was that 162 00:08:59.480 --> 00:09:03.360 he really did admire these teachers and felt comfortable around 163 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:07.480 almost no one accept these teachers, which, as we'll find 164 00:09:07.519 --> 00:09:11.240 a little bit later, is quite important teacher. 165 00:09:12.159 --> 00:09:14.279 Yeah, for sure. Yeah, he seemed to have a real 166 00:09:15.039 --> 00:09:19.080 affection for smart woman. It's sort of how I put it, 167 00:09:19.240 --> 00:09:23.000 because it was it was all about people that were, 168 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:28.200 you know, ladies that were able to be assertive and 169 00:09:28.440 --> 00:09:33.600 smart and you know, in the sixties, but that was 170 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:39.879 kind of a new thing, right. It wasn't as common 171 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:43.639 as it is now. You know. It just wasn't the 172 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:50.039 same feeling about the ladies in society than how it 173 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:50.639 is now. 174 00:09:54.159 --> 00:09:57.480 Now. He had aspirations. He had good looks, you say, 175 00:09:57.559 --> 00:10:00.480 these muscular played football, but he also thought he might 176 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:04.120 have aspirations to model. He tried to be a salesman. 177 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:07.240 Told us a little bit about his aspirations and what 178 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:11.200 the results were, and what did he attribute any kind 179 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:13.399 of failure If he did have any what would he 180 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:14.200 attribute that to. 181 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:18.039 Well, you know, it's strange. He sort of had the 182 00:10:19.080 --> 00:10:22.639 idea he would always have dreams, as he wrote, how 183 00:10:22.759 --> 00:10:28.000 he would fantasize in his room all night about being 184 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:31.440 someone famous, and he would affixed himself to a famous 185 00:10:31.519 --> 00:10:35.440 celebrity at the time and dreamed that he was that person. 186 00:10:36.279 --> 00:10:41.240 And he always saw himself on stage, almost like a singer, 187 00:10:41.679 --> 00:10:45.600 and he always saw himself as people loved him. And 188 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:49.639 this never really happened and it never really came to be. 189 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:53.159 You know. His reason for moving to larger cities, first 190 00:10:53.240 --> 00:10:56.200 Hamilton and then Montreal was to get in to be 191 00:10:56.480 --> 00:10:58.559 a model, you know, because where he was in the 192 00:10:58.679 --> 00:11:02.039 Dundee Valley, there was no jobs for models. There was 193 00:11:02.159 --> 00:11:06.200 really no jobs. And his first jump was to go 194 00:11:06.279 --> 00:11:09.799 to Hamilton, which is kind of the Canadian equivalent of 195 00:11:10.080 --> 00:11:12.440 Pittsburgh or you know, more of a steel town, more 196 00:11:12.480 --> 00:11:16.440 of a manufacturing place. So we're not talking a real 197 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:20.840 good location for a man to be a model, you know. 198 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:24.840 So he didn't stay there long and he skipped right 199 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:29.000 into Montreal because Montreal at that time was the really 200 00:11:29.080 --> 00:11:33.120 the party capital of Canada, and it was known for 201 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:39.320 its art and clubs and shopping and atmosphere, food. You know, 202 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:42.879 it was really the place to be. So, you know, 203 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:46.720 we even had you know, by sixty seven the Expo 204 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:50.720 was in Montreal and you had ed sellon broadcasting as 205 00:11:50.799 --> 00:11:54.279 shows from Montreal. We had Jerry Lewis, we had so 206 00:11:54.360 --> 00:11:58.080 many celebrities in Montreal at the time. It was the 207 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:01.279 place to be. So that's where he had it, and 208 00:12:02.360 --> 00:12:07.559 he tried unsuccessfully to get different modeling jobs. Now I 209 00:12:07.720 --> 00:12:11.240 find nowhere in his writings, and nowhere in any information 210 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:15.559 did he feel there was a problem with himself and 211 00:12:15.759 --> 00:12:18.519 that he wasn't getting a job because there was something wrong. 212 00:12:19.159 --> 00:12:22.840 He thought it just wasn't the timing it would happen. 213 00:12:23.480 --> 00:12:27.200 So I don't think he ever stopped believing throughout the 214 00:12:27.240 --> 00:12:31.919 whole Montreal time, because he kept trying, but he would 215 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:35.600 only end up with rep jobs or sales jobs where 216 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:38.679 he would travel around the city and visit accounts. You know, 217 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:41.279 he would be like a sales rep for a beauty 218 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:46.279 line or a hairline and he would go into you know, 219 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:49.919 different drug stores and he'd be selling to them, you know, 220 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:53.360 the product and the sets and stuff and getting a commission. 221 00:12:53.799 --> 00:12:55.840 And that seemed to be the best he ever got 222 00:12:56.399 --> 00:13:00.559 as far as getting out there and selling. He was 223 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:04.519 really quiet. Remember he was very soft spoken and very 224 00:13:04.919 --> 00:13:08.519 very shy, and so that doesn't really go well in 225 00:13:08.639 --> 00:13:12.639 the sales business either, right, So you know, he never 226 00:13:12.759 --> 00:13:15.240 lasted more than well, I would say he'd did six 227 00:13:15.360 --> 00:13:18.279 months to a year at a at a certain sales 228 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:20.159 job he would have and then it would he would 229 00:13:20.240 --> 00:13:23.399 end up with getting another one because the numbers weren't 230 00:13:23.399 --> 00:13:27.600 there and he so he did flip those jobs pretty frequently. 231 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:34.399 Now you talk about him moving, and this is in 232 00:13:34.480 --> 00:13:37.320 the summer of nineteen sixty seven. He was born in 233 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:41.600 nineteen forty eight, so we're talking nineteen years always a 234 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:45.840 young man. He's living in Montreal and all the heady environment. 235 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:52.279 So in July and and tell us about again this 236 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:55.159 is you explain, this is a very very awkward person, 237 00:13:55.320 --> 00:13:59.360 is very uncomfortable with people, it seems, and yet he 238 00:13:59.519 --> 00:14:02.240 was did not speak French as well. But what did 239 00:14:02.279 --> 00:14:05.519 he see? Did he enjoy Montreal? And did he come 240 00:14:05.759 --> 00:14:09.360 out of his shell somewhat or more so in Montreal? 241 00:14:10.639 --> 00:14:13.559 Well, you know, in some cases it would appear that 242 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:16.399 he did come out and did come out more, but 243 00:14:17.159 --> 00:14:20.000 I think he was in a transition then, you know, 244 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:22.440 and I think he had periods of time where he 245 00:14:23.240 --> 00:14:27.159 was himself and being alone, and then times where he 246 00:14:27.200 --> 00:14:32.960 would go out and become aggressive. But you know, little 247 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:35.679 things started happening. You know, when he would he would 248 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:40.159 walk down Saint Catharine's which is a really major street 249 00:14:40.440 --> 00:14:44.480 in Montreal, big shopping district, and he would stand in 250 00:14:44.559 --> 00:14:47.279 the middle of the road and put his arms out, 251 00:14:47.440 --> 00:14:50.519 close his eyes and put his head up. And he 252 00:14:51.039 --> 00:14:54.840 would find himself getting excited having the crowds of people 253 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:57.679 touching his hands as they were walking by. You know, 254 00:14:57.720 --> 00:15:00.559 you get a picture. This is a very busy, busy 255 00:15:00.679 --> 00:15:04.120 street and you know, I don't want to say it 256 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:08.919 this way, but I guess people were used to kind 257 00:15:08.960 --> 00:15:11.360 of weird people in the big cities. You know, you're 258 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:13.679 walking down the main drag and there's you know, there's 259 00:15:13.720 --> 00:15:16.080 some people that are not normal. So they would just 260 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:18.080 brush by and look at him and not really give 261 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:21.519 them you know, second thought type thing. Just thought, well, 262 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:23.639 you know, kind of a nut because here's this guy 263 00:15:23.759 --> 00:15:26.080 standing in the middle of the road with his arms 264 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:27.679 out and his eyes closed and hands it. You know, 265 00:15:27.799 --> 00:15:30.919 it just sort of seems strange. But he was finding 266 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:34.559 himself getting a little bit thrilled by the unknown people 267 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:38.080 walking by and touching him and moving him and brushing 268 00:15:38.159 --> 00:15:42.200 him almost in a way, being pushed by people and 269 00:15:42.320 --> 00:15:44.519 being called names. In a sense, he sort of enjoyed that. 270 00:15:44.639 --> 00:15:47.519 And I don't know, I never did figure out what 271 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:54.000 about that particularly that he liked. Maybe he felt in 272 00:15:54.159 --> 00:15:57.879 control and yet lost in such a large crowd. You know, 273 00:15:58.000 --> 00:16:00.519 that's just me guessing there was some thing about that. 274 00:16:00.679 --> 00:16:03.360 He started looking forward to going out and walking around 275 00:16:03.440 --> 00:16:08.360 doing that, so this became a common thing. Later we 276 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:13.879 find out he wasn't really liking Montreal very much. He 277 00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:16.639 had a tough time driving there. He had a tough 278 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:21.279 time because it's not a city like Calgary, where he 279 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:24.600 moved later and some others were. It's really open, a 280 00:16:24.679 --> 00:16:27.480 lot less people and easier to get around. You can 281 00:16:27.519 --> 00:16:29.519 get out in the car and drive and you know, 282 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:31.639 within a half hour forty five minutes you'd be out 283 00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:35.840 of the city. So he missed that freedom that he 284 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:38.759 probably had back in the Dundee Valley when he was 285 00:16:38.799 --> 00:16:39.279 growing up. 286 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:48.679 Now you talk. In nineteen sixty seven, in July, near 287 00:16:48.720 --> 00:16:54.320 the end of July, a woman named Norma Valancourt from 288 00:16:54.360 --> 00:16:58.080 a little small town, twenty one years old, is taking 289 00:16:58.120 --> 00:17:00.840 some course. He has to come to Montreal to finished 290 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:05.359 some courses to become a school teacher. But she's enjoying Montreal, 291 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:10.039 being from a small town. Montreal's great, and she's dating 292 00:17:11.200 --> 00:17:14.799 and she has some friends there. So tell us about 293 00:17:14.960 --> 00:17:20.240 this Norma Valancourt, this school teacher, aspiring school teacher. What 294 00:17:20.480 --> 00:17:24.559 was she like and when did her friends? What did 295 00:17:24.640 --> 00:17:27.319 she tell her friends when she came home from shopping 296 00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:30.640 one night July twenty third, nineteen sixty seven. 297 00:17:31.640 --> 00:17:34.319 Well, yeah, Norma, she was fairly young, you know, twenty 298 00:17:34.400 --> 00:17:37.960 twenty one, and like a lot of people, were attracted 299 00:17:38.000 --> 00:17:40.279 to Montreal. So she came from a small town, like 300 00:17:40.319 --> 00:17:43.559 you said, and she was looking, you know, because they 301 00:17:43.640 --> 00:17:47.640 offered courses she could become the teacher she wanted, and 302 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:52.200 she was kind of an independent person. And again this 303 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:55.640 was kind of like the time of you know, Mary 304 00:17:55.759 --> 00:17:58.200 Tyler Moore, you know, and I hate to use that, 305 00:17:58.319 --> 00:18:01.680 but it kind of gives you the idea that that 306 00:18:01.960 --> 00:18:07.839 become a very popular symbol for single ladies. They wanted 307 00:18:07.920 --> 00:18:12.079 to empower and become independent and have their own apartment, 308 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:15.039 which was you know, I want people to realize in 309 00:18:15.200 --> 00:18:19.839 sixty seven that was not normal. This was kind of 310 00:18:19.920 --> 00:18:25.480 a breaking a new trend, if you will. The independency, 311 00:18:25.640 --> 00:18:27.720 having a job, being a single woman, and having your 312 00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:30.599 own apartment in the city was not like it is now. 313 00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:33.960 It was not a common thing, and some people didn't 314 00:18:34.079 --> 00:18:36.319 like it. Some people would say bad things about it. 315 00:18:37.119 --> 00:18:42.680 But in her case, she was totally excited. She you know, 316 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:46.799 she loved it. She gained lots of friends, and this 317 00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:51.359 was what she was looking for in life, and she 318 00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:53.759 was she couldn't she couldn't say enough whenever she went 319 00:18:53.839 --> 00:18:57.839 home or talked to her mother about how good this was, 320 00:18:58.240 --> 00:19:01.839 and and she was meeting guys and this was an 321 00:19:01.880 --> 00:19:04.599 exciting time. She would be able to go out and 322 00:19:05.599 --> 00:19:08.319 have dates, go have good restaurants, go for a drink, 323 00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:13.359 and so she was excited. And then I know that 324 00:19:13.920 --> 00:19:15.440 the time you were talking about is when she was 325 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:18.680 shopping and she she had told her friends that she 326 00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:20.920 had to go home early and not stay out late, 327 00:19:21.000 --> 00:19:24.000 as she you know, was planning an early day the 328 00:19:24.119 --> 00:19:26.480 next day and she had to go to bed. But 329 00:19:26.960 --> 00:19:29.480 in truth, she was actually set up a date with 330 00:19:29.559 --> 00:19:32.119 a man and she had met him at a club 331 00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:35.240 a few nights earlier, and they hit it off instantly. 332 00:19:35.680 --> 00:19:41.319 He was very handsome, well spoken, lots of manners, you know, 333 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:44.640 to hold the doors, the chairs, everything. So she was 334 00:19:44.720 --> 00:19:50.400 really taken by him. And so as soon as she 335 00:19:50.480 --> 00:19:52.720 got home from her shopping she had to put on 336 00:19:52.799 --> 00:19:55.599 a new outfit and get her makeup done and be 337 00:19:55.680 --> 00:19:57.960 all ready and she wanted to tidy up the place. 338 00:19:58.160 --> 00:20:03.839 And then her date came and the next day she 339 00:20:04.000 --> 00:20:08.119 just never showed up for work, and her friends started 340 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:10.920 getting worried. I think about four point thirty five. 341 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:11.720 And. 342 00:20:13.519 --> 00:20:18.240 Soon after that somebody phoned the police and they were 343 00:20:18.279 --> 00:20:21.720 an anonymous phone call and said that a young woman 344 00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:26.880 had fallen ill and needed police assistance, and they didn't 345 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:30.359 identify themselves, and before you know it, the police showed 346 00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:34.279 up and the apartment door was slightly open and they 347 00:20:34.319 --> 00:20:39.200 went in and no answer, and before you know it, 348 00:20:39.559 --> 00:20:41.799 in her bedroom they found her and she was laid 349 00:20:41.799 --> 00:20:45.839 out on the bed and she was dead, and there 350 00:20:45.960 --> 00:20:50.440 was no immediate obvious signs of why she had died. 351 00:20:51.480 --> 00:20:54.720 They just there was nothing that really gave it away. 352 00:20:54.799 --> 00:20:57.799 There was a two drops of blood on one of 353 00:20:57.880 --> 00:21:02.680 the bed sheets, so they thought this could be fel play, 354 00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:07.640 and so they brought in uh Commander Cheap and he 355 00:21:07.839 --> 00:21:10.200 did the search and and talked to the neighbors and 356 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:14.160 and then the photograph and you know, they took photographs 357 00:21:14.200 --> 00:21:19.039 and and you know, they they after a while they 358 00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:23.359 realized that the blood had came from her nipples and 359 00:21:23.640 --> 00:21:28.160 her I believe her right neck neck. I think it 360 00:21:28.200 --> 00:21:30.119 was the right neck that he had did on the 361 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:35.640 bite marks, and so that was it, center to the corner. 362 00:21:35.799 --> 00:21:40.279 And it just was one of those real shocking things 363 00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:45.720 because she was very popular and everybody seemed to love her. 364 00:21:46.400 --> 00:21:49.440 And back then you've got to realize the technology was, 365 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:54.079 you know, not the best in the sixties, so it 366 00:21:54.200 --> 00:21:56.400 was just one of those unknown things at the time. 367 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:03.920 So there was that information about the breast being bitten 368 00:22:04.000 --> 00:22:08.720 and blood being drawn. Was hold back information held back 369 00:22:08.759 --> 00:22:09.400 by the police. 370 00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:12.200 Yeah, yeah, yeah, at the time, they didn't give it 371 00:22:12.279 --> 00:22:17.799 out to the media. Canada has never been really I 372 00:22:17.839 --> 00:22:19.920 don't know to say, they've never been really good at 373 00:22:20.519 --> 00:22:24.640 putting out all this information. They might talk about a murder, 374 00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:28.839 but it's not like they would market it so to speak. 375 00:22:28.960 --> 00:22:30.880 It wasn't like they would give it out. I think 376 00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:33.839 they were trying to keep it back then, just there's 377 00:22:33.960 --> 00:22:35.839 just a little bit secret as well, kind of hide 378 00:22:35.880 --> 00:22:39.359 a few things, not only from the public or media, 379 00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:42.400 but just in case they come up with suspects. 380 00:22:42.640 --> 00:22:48.839 You know, now the person too, you mentioned the commander 381 00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:51.799 detective or the lead detective, and this will be important 382 00:22:51.880 --> 00:22:55.279 later as you know, the ties to this case is 383 00:22:55.319 --> 00:22:58.960 Andre Bouchard. So we'll just right for those listening, we'll 384 00:22:59.079 --> 00:23:02.799 remember that name, that lead detective, Andre Bouchard, will be 385 00:23:02.880 --> 00:23:08.160 re born. Later they realized that this person was known 386 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:12.200 to this woman at least they didn't know how long. So, 387 00:23:13.119 --> 00:23:17.400 like you say, the technology was all technology was in 388 00:23:17.480 --> 00:23:21.559 his infancy at that time. There's no more leads. They 389 00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:24.079 followed up with a canvas of the neighborhood and things 390 00:23:24.119 --> 00:23:27.200 and maybe if anybody thought she had it, but she 391 00:23:27.240 --> 00:23:30.799 didn't have a steady boyfriend. No, So this case goes cold, 392 00:23:30.839 --> 00:23:31.200 doesn't it. 393 00:23:32.279 --> 00:23:35.960 Yeah, it goes cold pretty quick because they didn't you know, 394 00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:38.680 they checked around with people she was in school with 395 00:23:38.839 --> 00:23:41.079 and her neighbors, and talked to her family and what 396 00:23:41.279 --> 00:23:45.440 friends they could find. And she was a fairly I 397 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:48.400 don't know, she was very very outgoing and she spent 398 00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:51.279 a lot of time going out shopping and going to bars, 399 00:23:51.400 --> 00:23:55.440 and she was really taking advantage of the city of Montreal. 400 00:23:55.640 --> 00:24:00.480 So it was really hard to pinpoint anybody, especially with 401 00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:04.920