WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.240 --> 00:00:05.000 Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time 2 00:00:05.040 --> 00:00:09.119 for another edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast, where 3 00:00:09.160 --> 00:00:13.480 critical thinking isn't a crime and questioning the narrative is 4 00:00:13.519 --> 00:00:17.760 a sacred duty. Tonight, ladies and gentlemen, we go down under, 5 00:00:17.960 --> 00:00:22.920 both geographically and metaphorically, because my guest is Matrics from 6 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:26.920 Australia and we just don't connect the dots. We reveal 7 00:00:27.120 --> 00:00:30.839 the blueprint from nine to eleven to the masks and 8 00:00:30.920 --> 00:00:34.759 mandates of the COVID Theater and yes, the granddaddy of 9 00:00:34.799 --> 00:00:39.359 all the flat, immovable earth beneath our feet. We're unpeeling 10 00:00:39.399 --> 00:00:43.719 the propaganda like a government issued onion. So grab your 11 00:00:43.719 --> 00:00:47.840 mental machete, because tonight we're slicing through the lies they 12 00:00:47.880 --> 00:00:50.880 told you in school, in the news, and from the 13 00:00:50.920 --> 00:00:58.439 pulpit of scientism. This isn't conspiracy theory. This is conspiracy reality. 14 00:00:59.200 --> 00:01:03.399 And it all right now on the Flat Earth Files. 15 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:13.280 When you look me on the sky, do you feel 16 00:01:13.400 --> 00:01:21.560 the poll the question why the stories told and left 17 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:26.599 behind in shadows where the truth we find. 18 00:01:28.920 --> 00:01:35.200 They built their tails on grafts and lies on theories. 19 00:01:35.319 --> 00:01:38.120 They stake their designed. 20 00:01:39.359 --> 00:01:46.840 Put down here on this solid ground. The answer screamed, 21 00:01:47.120 --> 00:01:55.200 They're all around, rise and break through all the lies. 22 00:01:55.879 --> 00:01:59.280 The fair files on fold. 23 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:03.280 Jez and welcome back folks. As we record today. It 24 00:02:03.400 --> 00:02:06.799 is Monday, July twenty first, twenty twenty five, and we 25 00:02:06.840 --> 00:02:09.520 have a great guest joining us from the other side 26 00:02:09.560 --> 00:02:13.439 of the plane today from Australia is Matrics. 27 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:14.360 Matrics. 28 00:02:14.360 --> 00:02:16.000 Thanks so much for taking the time out today to 29 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:16.479 join us. 30 00:02:17.919 --> 00:02:19.159 Joe, It's pleasure to be here. 31 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:22.479 Why don't you go help and introduce yourself to the audience. 32 00:02:23.800 --> 00:02:27.680 Yeah, okay, yeah, I go buy Matris. My name, my 33 00:02:27.759 --> 00:02:29.719 name from my parents was Matthew, but I got into 34 00:02:29.840 --> 00:02:33.719 hip hop as a young person and there just saying 35 00:02:33.759 --> 00:02:35.879 to you off air, you change it to Matris with 36 00:02:35.960 --> 00:02:39.280 the double T. Everyone tries to say Matrix. The movie 37 00:02:39.319 --> 00:02:41.759 came out, it got confusing. I stuck with it, so 38 00:02:42.280 --> 00:02:47.960 I'm still Matrics. Yeah. I'm living in Australia. I grew 39 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:51.400 up in Melbourne. During the COVID era, I moved out 40 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:53.759 of Melbourn because it got too hectic and we had 41 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:57.360 a small child when it all kicked off with my 42 00:02:57.439 --> 00:03:00.400 partner Rachel for fourteen years. We just got married about 43 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:01.599 six or eight weeks ago. 44 00:03:03.240 --> 00:03:05.120 And congratulations. 45 00:03:05.159 --> 00:03:07.719 So yeah, thank you, thank you. It's one of those 46 00:03:07.719 --> 00:03:13.280 things we finally got there. Yeah, and we make music together. 47 00:03:13.319 --> 00:03:16.400 I make music with my partner. We're in a band 48 00:03:16.439 --> 00:03:20.120 together called Rachel by the Stream. And Yes, sent Georgia 49 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:21.759 something to listen to to give them a bit of 50 00:03:21.759 --> 00:03:27.120 a heads up. Yeah, and I'm still still rapping along, 51 00:03:27.199 --> 00:03:29.680 less producing and releasing my own stuff, but a bit 52 00:03:29.719 --> 00:03:33.400 of stuff going on in the background. I have a 53 00:03:33.479 --> 00:03:35.719 music studio at home and that's my main kind of 54 00:03:35.719 --> 00:03:38.919 work that I do. So I do live sound on 55 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:42.599 the weekends. I going to schools a bit, making songs 56 00:03:42.599 --> 00:03:46.080 in schools. I worked for about ten years doing music 57 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:51.280 with people with the quiet brain injuries. And I've done 58 00:03:51.439 --> 00:03:54.400 sort of yoga, teach trainings and massage and so I've 59 00:03:54.439 --> 00:03:57.400 sort of come from the health background as well, but 60 00:03:57.520 --> 00:04:00.800 kept the music stuff going. And yeah, here I am 61 00:04:00.879 --> 00:04:07.479 at fifty, still ticking along with music and you know, loving, 62 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:11.719 loving all the information about coming onto the geocentric Earth. 63 00:04:12.199 --> 00:04:17.839 It's been a massive revelation, and also loving the Bible. 64 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:22.120 And you know that the geocentric Earth is what led me. 65 00:04:22.720 --> 00:04:24.439 You know, I already believed in God, but it wasn't 66 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:26.920 the God of the Bible really, So it was the 67 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:30.879 geocentric Earth that's led me to the Bible and Jesus 68 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:34.600 Praise be ay Man. So yeah, there's a bit of 69 00:04:34.600 --> 00:04:35.279 a go anyway. 70 00:04:36.079 --> 00:04:40.279 Yeah, when I got your little questionnaire back, you've been 71 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:42.639 awake for about ten years, and I think twenty fifteen 72 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:47.160 was the big year on YouTube when flat Earth wasn't 73 00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:50.199 really that the algorithm wasn't controlled like it is today. 74 00:04:50.759 --> 00:04:52.800 If you go on YouTube and obviously try to find 75 00:04:52.800 --> 00:04:56.160 a video on flat Earth, you're going to get Nidograss 76 00:04:56.199 --> 00:04:59.079 Tyson debunking it, or that Professor Dave or things of 77 00:04:59.120 --> 00:05:03.120 that nature back then. But you know, as I continued 78 00:05:03.160 --> 00:05:06.000 to read your questionnaire, it all made sense that you 79 00:05:06.040 --> 00:05:09.199 were able to accept it so quickly. Just briefly, you'd 80 00:05:09.279 --> 00:05:12.800 mentioned that you were probably one of the few people, 81 00:05:13.920 --> 00:05:15.800 I mean, you're fifty so that you've been awake half 82 00:05:15.879 --> 00:05:17.040 your life because you said. 83 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:19.439 That you were aware of nine to eleven. 84 00:05:19.800 --> 00:05:23.399 On the day it happened, I was like, I was 85 00:05:23.439 --> 00:05:27.040 actually recording in my friend's studio. I was laying down 86 00:05:27.079 --> 00:05:29.519 some wraps at the time, and my friend that had 87 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:32.839 been over playing guitar. He called back and said, turn 88 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:36.040 on the TV. And you know, so we watched it happening, 89 00:05:36.040 --> 00:05:39.399 and it just felt, it felt wrong. It felt it 90 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:41.639 didn't feel you know, I knew there was something fishy. 91 00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:46.000 I didn't totally know everything about it obviously the time, 92 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:48.120 and it was you know, I continue to study it 93 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:50.680 for the next few years, and I guess these days 94 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:52.560 I'm up to the I mean, I believe in the 95 00:05:52.600 --> 00:05:57.959 no playing kind of approach. I just think that most 96 00:05:58.000 --> 00:06:01.959 stuff that they give us is faith. You know, there's 97 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:06.839 a great website, the Fakeologist. He's a flat earther as well. Yeah, 98 00:06:06.879 --> 00:06:09.639 and they have this approach called auto hoaxing. So you 99 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:12.399 just your first approach is to believe that if it's 100 00:06:12.399 --> 00:06:16.120 on the media, then it's incorrect. And they set up too. 101 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:19.319 You know, they give you the two options usually it's 102 00:06:19.399 --> 00:06:23.360 this or it's that, and they're both they're both untrue. 103 00:06:24.120 --> 00:06:27.879 So yeah, so I have known from then. You know, 104 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:30.560 I've gone down all sorts of rabbit holes over that time, 105 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:33.199 and I probably believe lots of stuff that were actual 106 00:06:33.279 --> 00:06:37.879 psy ops along the way. More being into sort of 107 00:06:38.279 --> 00:06:40.079 I guess through my approach was into more of a 108 00:06:40.120 --> 00:06:44.720 New Age mindset rather than a biblical mindset. So I 109 00:06:44.759 --> 00:06:47.680 think I was susceptible sorts, all sorts of tom foolery 110 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:51.319 along the way, and you know, believe lots of different things. 111 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:55.199 But I've definitely been down the rabbit hole, as we say, 112 00:06:55.199 --> 00:07:00.240 in this world for yeah, about twenty five years, I reckon. So, yeah, 113 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:02.720 it's been a while of digging into it. Yeah, now 114 00:07:03.199 --> 00:07:07.720 ten years on the on the flat plane. 115 00:07:07.759 --> 00:07:11.680 How old were you when you first realized because even 116 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:14.240 if you realized something was off with nine to eleven, 117 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:17.319 was there something prior to that? When did you first 118 00:07:17.360 --> 00:07:20.360 realize that the world as it's presented to you is 119 00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:22.240 not as. 120 00:07:22.240 --> 00:07:24.600 Not quite as it seems exactly. I guess I was 121 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:28.759 always looking into it. I was always a bit I mean, 122 00:07:28.800 --> 00:07:31.839 I went to a Catholic primary school, decided by grade 123 00:07:31.839 --> 00:07:35.680 four I didn't believe in God. Was, you know, terribly 124 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:38.600 upset about all that, and when in a big process, 125 00:07:39.519 --> 00:07:42.240 I really just wanted to know who we were and 126 00:07:42.360 --> 00:07:44.079 why we were and if there was a God and 127 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:46.800 all that sort of stuff. And I went to UNI 128 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:50.519 with those those questions in mind, and I did a 129 00:07:50.560 --> 00:07:56.279 degree in philosophy and English arts degree but double major, 130 00:07:56.319 --> 00:07:58.519 and then on as in English, and so I got 131 00:07:58.519 --> 00:08:03.439 to do philosophy at YUNI and got to do you know, 132 00:08:03.519 --> 00:08:06.759 space time and cosmology and all this sort of stuff. 133 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:09.120 And it was pretty much by the end of four 134 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:11.199 years of UNI, I'd just come to the point of 135 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:15.560 realizing that something's a bit different, you know, And I 136 00:08:15.639 --> 00:08:18.040 started getting into other information at that point. So I've 137 00:08:18.079 --> 00:08:22.160 guess we're talking nineteen ninety six or so at that point, 138 00:08:22.680 --> 00:08:25.519 So I guess I'm like twenty three or something like that, 139 00:08:25.600 --> 00:08:34.039 twenty four, and I started getting into sort of what's 140 00:08:34.039 --> 00:08:36.840 the guy's name. I read one book right at the 141 00:08:36.919 --> 00:08:40.080 end of UNI called From Atlantis to the Sphinx by 142 00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:44.240 Colin Wilson, so that kind of prehistory kind of idea, 143 00:08:44.519 --> 00:08:47.519 and then sort of Robert Baval and Graham Hancock that 144 00:08:47.639 --> 00:08:50.639 sort of information about like you know, the Sphinx and 145 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:54.519 the Pyramids and Ryan's Belts and all that sort of stuff. 146 00:08:54.559 --> 00:08:56.639 So that was one of the first kind of areas 147 00:08:56.799 --> 00:09:01.879 of like non mainstream information I started getting into. And 148 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:06.559 from that I just continued on, you know, exploring all 149 00:09:06.600 --> 00:09:07.559 that sort of information. 150 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:12.320 So I'm sorry, continue I thought you were done. 151 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:14.200 Nah, yeah, now you go. 152 00:09:14.600 --> 00:09:16.720 I was just going to say I think we mentioned 153 00:09:16.720 --> 00:09:18.559 this briefly in the email, So you would have been 154 00:09:19.879 --> 00:09:22.720 probably in your early to mid twenties when the Port 155 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:25.799 Arthur shooting happened. And that's something I think I touched 156 00:09:25.799 --> 00:09:31.559 on maybe six weeks ago on the other podcast, and 157 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:33.639 I know a lot of people probably aren't aware of it, 158 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:36.720 but there's something similar that happened to you know what 159 00:09:36.799 --> 00:09:39.039 we had here, and it was basically an event, a 160 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:41.759 mass shooting that lasted like twenty four hours and covered 161 00:09:42.279 --> 00:09:48.679 several different crime scenes, but it was primarily responsible for 162 00:09:49.440 --> 00:09:53.799 Australia's Basically you just considered you know, their loss of 163 00:09:53.879 --> 00:09:56.120 us not that they ever had it, but most of 164 00:09:56.159 --> 00:09:58.039 their gun rights were taken away from that event. 165 00:09:59.200 --> 00:10:02.159 Totally. I had no idea of that at the time 166 00:10:02.200 --> 00:10:04.559 that it happened, to be honest, I was just a 167 00:10:04.600 --> 00:10:06.720 regular person. I mean, you know, I was aware of 168 00:10:06.759 --> 00:10:10.120 some things, but I was not aware of the degree 169 00:10:10.120 --> 00:10:11.960 of fakery in the media. And at the time I 170 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:13.879 would have just believed it was a thing and not 171 00:10:13.919 --> 00:10:18.600 looked into it. But looking at it, you know, years 172 00:10:18.639 --> 00:10:23.519 after and in retrospect, there was just so much, so 173 00:10:23.679 --> 00:10:26.600 much fakeness and so much set up about it, and yeah, 174 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:28.720 it was the time that they took all Australia's guns 175 00:10:28.759 --> 00:10:31.919 office and John Howard was the Prime Minister at the 176 00:10:31.960 --> 00:10:35.519 time in Australia, funny little fella that he. 177 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:38.919 Was, and he had just it was a very short 178 00:10:38.960 --> 00:10:41.480 time between him winning and taken office in this event happening. 179 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:44.840 Correct, Yeah, it was, it was, and there was all 180 00:10:44.960 --> 00:10:47.639 there was media all there ready in Tasmania for some 181 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:50.559 other event. The exact details, but it was like so, 182 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:53.799 and then the guy that actually apparently did the shootings, 183 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:55.919 he was kind of a guy with a bit of 184 00:10:55.919 --> 00:10:59.440 a disability or something. Really, he wasn't like the full quid, correct. 185 00:11:00.440 --> 00:11:03.399 And but whoever did the shooting was a trained marksman 186 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:06.679 that could you know, because he was just taking people out. Yeah, So, 187 00:11:06.840 --> 00:11:09.480 I mean, and now, you know, I guess, I guess 188 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:11.360 a lot of the times these things are fake and 189 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:14.320 people don't actually die and you don't. But I think 190 00:11:14.360 --> 00:11:16.919 that one was probably the probably people did, you know. 191 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:18.120 I think they go both ways. 192 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:22.039 I agreed. Yeah, And I love the term auto hoaxer. 193 00:11:22.279 --> 00:11:24.679 You know. I'm at that point too. 194 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:26.559 I was a guest on a podcast today called The 195 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:31.159 Courage Contagion and Okay, everything you know we were talking 196 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:36.759 about the Trump assassination, and there is still people assassination 197 00:11:36.840 --> 00:11:40.320 and attempt I should say. But yeah, like me being 198 00:11:40.440 --> 00:11:44.200 in the military and being on details with security details 199 00:11:44.679 --> 00:11:47.039 and seeing you can go back and watch any other 200 00:11:47.080 --> 00:11:49.519 assassination attempt on the head of state, that person is 201 00:11:49.559 --> 00:11:52.120 swept out of there so quickly. They're not going to 202 00:11:52.240 --> 00:11:54.600 let them stand there and take a photo op under 203 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:57.600 a flag. I mean, that goes against everything. Go back 204 00:11:57.639 --> 00:12:00.440 and watch the Reagan which is fake too, but watch 205 00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:01.399 how quickly they get. 206 00:12:01.320 --> 00:12:01.960 Them out of there. 207 00:12:02.320 --> 00:12:07.240 And yeah, remember Trump was actually in wrestling for many years, and. 208 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:09.600 It's silly. 209 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:12.039 That's just so fake. From like that one, I was 210 00:12:12.080 --> 00:12:14.679 just like, come on, everybody, you know, as soon as 211 00:12:14.679 --> 00:12:16.559 that happened, I'm like, it's not real. It's not real. 212 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:19.080 And you know, I try to stay off Facebook and 213 00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:21.679 stay out of those fights, but you know, I had 214 00:12:21.720 --> 00:12:23.559 a little bit of a go chatting to people, and 215 00:12:23.919 --> 00:12:25.960 you know, people that are down the rabbit hole and 216 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:28.360 do understand a lot of stuff still think that that's 217 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:32.279 a real event. I'm like, it's just not. It's just 218 00:12:32.320 --> 00:12:35.519 so fake. It's so obviously fake. I've always thought Trump 219 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:37.519 was a setup from the start, he some kind of 220 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:40.000 I never I never took on board the idea that 221 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:41.879 he could be some kind of good guy that could 222 00:12:41.879 --> 00:12:44.919 be like, you know, cleaning the swamp or draining the swamp, 223 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:47.039 whatever he's supposed to do. I just couldn't. I just 224 00:12:47.080 --> 00:12:47.840 couldn't take it on. 225 00:12:48.000 --> 00:12:50.679 It's just like, nah, I wish I could say that, 226 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:54.159 But they played us perfectly. They took the most evil, 227 00:12:54.200 --> 00:12:58.000 heinous woman in the world. Yeah, right, they set up 228 00:12:58.000 --> 00:12:59.960 this and so we had to get behind him, right 229 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:03.159 otherwise we were doomed. And you know, he's going to 230 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:06.679 come back. Yeah, that's what I say. You know, the 231 00:13:06.960 --> 00:13:10.879 creators of the matrix. Yeah, sometimes you got to tip 232 00:13:10.919 --> 00:13:14.039 your hat to them, just because we fall for it 233 00:13:14.120 --> 00:13:17.080 every single time, hook line and Sinker, whether it's that 234 00:13:17.679 --> 00:13:21.039 or COVID or they know how to play us. 235 00:13:21.080 --> 00:13:22.600 These people are very smart. 236 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:25.559 Yeah, they understand to hand it to the dock side 237 00:13:25.559 --> 00:13:27.559 for being organized exactly. 238 00:13:27.559 --> 00:13:30.960 And if it is Satan, if it is like you know, 239 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:33.720 and he was living with God at some point before 240 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:37.440 he rebelled, then obviously he knows people, and he knows 241 00:13:37.440 --> 00:13:39.960 this realm, and he knows a lot. So so. 242 00:13:42.120 --> 00:13:47.279 One you mentioned something, you know, we're talking about in 243 00:13:47.320 --> 00:13:49.919 your email some of the biblical aspects of things. You 244 00:13:49.960 --> 00:13:53.279 went into one of the serpent seed, and I was 245 00:13:53.360 --> 00:13:55.799 listening to a pastor on YouTube, but we could go 246 00:13:56.559 --> 00:13:59.600 and when we talk about seed war, we think of 247 00:13:59.639 --> 00:14:03.840 it as as a human right, the serpent seed, whether 248 00:14:03.879 --> 00:14:07.440 it's Cain, the nepheline, things of that nature. 249 00:14:08.559 --> 00:14:09.919 But he took it a step further. 250 00:14:10.000 --> 00:14:13.159 He said, if you think about it, God created everything, 251 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:17.720 which includes the trees and the tomatoes, and all of 252 00:14:17.759 --> 00:14:19.399 those things come from seeds. 253 00:14:19.440 --> 00:14:20.559 And what are they doing? 254 00:14:20.679 --> 00:14:20.799 Right? 255 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:24.120 We always talk about m RNA and vaccines, but what 256 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:27.759 are they doing with those seeds? They're they're modifying GMO, 257 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:33.039 so they are literally trying to stamp out God's entire creation. 258 00:14:34.279 --> 00:14:37.200 Yeah, I mean I think I take that on all 259 00:14:37.240 --> 00:14:40.360 of that on board as well, you know, all level 260 00:14:40.360 --> 00:14:43.159 of the seeds, but I do think it is the 261 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:45.759 the angelic seed and the human seed, like the fallen 262 00:14:45.799 --> 00:14:52.440 angel seed. You know Gary Wayne's information. Have you got 263 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:53.159 into him at all? 264 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:53.559 Yeah? 265 00:14:53.759 --> 00:14:57.000 I interviewed him right before he released a second book. 266 00:14:57.000 --> 00:14:59.919 It's amazing because that's what really kind of took me 267 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:01.840 into Enoch. I'm like, how did this guy write an 268 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:04.519 eight one hundred and fifty page book on two verses, right, there. 269 00:15:04.399 --> 00:15:07.919 Were giants them, yeah, and then yeah. 270 00:15:07.879 --> 00:15:10.600 I really took the time to read the Book of 271 00:15:10.759 --> 00:15:12.879 Enoch and yeah. 272 00:15:12.919 --> 00:15:13.200 Wow. 273 00:15:15.039 --> 00:15:16.559 Yeah. So if that's where we're up to, I mean, 274 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:19.200 I guess it makes more sense for people that because 275 00:15:19.240 --> 00:15:22.080 I didn't really understand the Bible. Like I'm late to 276 00:15:22.120 --> 00:15:25.240 the Bible, and I'm guilty of spending more time listening 277 00:15:25.279 --> 00:15:28.159 to people talk about the Bible than reading it myself. 278 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:29.960 But I'm doing my best to get back in there. 279 00:15:30.519 --> 00:15:32.879 But you know, it doesn't make sense that God would 280 00:15:32.879 --> 00:15:36.000 wipe out all creation with a flood. I mean, it's 281 00:15:36.080 --> 00:15:38.840 hard to take on board. But if you understand that, 282 00:15:38.879 --> 00:15:41.320 it's like the fallen angels were mating with humans and 283 00:15:41.399 --> 00:15:45.120 all flesh was corrupt, yes, and these giants were cannibals 284 00:15:45.159 --> 00:15:48.720 and he got that crazy, then it all starts to 285 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:52.320 make sense. And then the God of the Old Testament 286 00:15:53.320 --> 00:15:56.039 is a god of justice and mercy, not some terrible 287 00:15:56.120 --> 00:15:59.159 tyrant that people seem to you know, some New Age 288 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:01.960 takes on the on God the you know, the Old 289 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:04.440 Testament to try and set him up as you know, 290 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:06.000 an evil person. 291 00:16:06.919 --> 00:16:11.000 You know, I'm glad you brought that up, because, pardon me. 292 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:15.240 Somebody sent me an interview yesterday in email and he 293 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:19.240 was a professional wrestler being interviewed and they asked him 294 00:16:20.519 --> 00:16:22.279 because I guess he was in a metal band before 295 00:16:22.320 --> 00:16:26.440 that too, and talking about God, and he said that 296 00:16:26.919 --> 00:16:29.759 if there is a God, then he's an evil god 297 00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:33.840 because how could he said, how could any God allow 298 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:36.879 everything to go on that's happening in the world today? 299 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:40.559 And that is a I. 300 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:44.720 Can see how someone who hasn't spent much time could 301 00:16:44.799 --> 00:16:47.320 see it that way. But then you really have to 302 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:52.039 understand free will. If God, if everything were to be perfect, 303 00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:53.320 he would have to control us. 304 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:55.200 We wouldn't have You. 305 00:16:55.159 --> 00:16:58.519 Know, we're flawed, we're human, and the ways of the 306 00:16:58.519 --> 00:17:01.600 world right, God created them. And even within a matter 307 00:17:01.799 --> 00:17:03.960 of a very brief matter of time, he was doing 308 00:17:04.000 --> 00:17:06.440 something the one thing he was told not to do. 309 00:17:06.559 --> 00:17:09.839 That's that's the story of all of us. We're all flawed, right, 310 00:17:09.960 --> 00:17:11.720 and we're all full and yeah. 311 00:17:11.640 --> 00:17:13.400 All of us are. And only through the blood of 312 00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:16.000 Jesus Christ are we saved. And it's it saddens me 313 00:17:16.279 --> 00:17:21.240 to see somebody just on that, just to see things 314 00:17:21.279 --> 00:17:23.119 only on the surface, not to take the time to 315 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:23.920 think things out. 316 00:17:24.039 --> 00:17:24.400 Just uh. 317 00:17:24.920 --> 00:17:27.880 And I understand a lot of people who think that 318 00:17:27.880 --> 00:17:30.759 way may have had something, maybe they lost a parent 319 00:17:30.880 --> 00:17:34.599 at a young age or they experience and they say, 320 00:17:34.680 --> 00:17:37.359 how can there be a God and not actually sit 321 00:17:38.039 --> 00:17:40.799 down to understand that the true meaning of free will? 322 00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:45.839 Yeah, absolutely, I'm totally with you there. And it's a 323 00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:48.359 shame because it is a common it's a common idea 324 00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:52.240 that you know, people don't come to God and don't 325 00:17:52.279 --> 00:17:54.119 come to the God of the Bible because of their 326 00:17:54.119 --> 00:17:57.359 own sort of trouble and pain and inability to go 327 00:17:57.400 --> 00:17:59.799 a little bit taper that I was guilty of that, 328 00:17:59.880 --> 00:18:03.039 And you know, I guess we're just going to hold 329 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:07.160 space for as many people to come to Jesus as 330 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:07.599 they can. 331 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:07.880 You know. 332 00:18:09.079 --> 00:18:11.160 That's why all this information is important. Like I was 333 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:14.079 listened to somebody recently saying, you know, people say it's 334 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:17.599 not a part of me, not a salvation issue, but 335 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:20.200 then it's like, who's salvation that we're talking about. It's like, 336 00:18:20.319 --> 00:18:24.759 my salvation came through flat Earth, you know, and that's 337 00:18:24.799 --> 00:18:28.200 what led me along the way. So anything that's in 338 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:31.000 the Bible is important. And if Satan is taking the 339 00:18:31.039 --> 00:18:33.599 time to deceive us with a different view of the world. 340 00:18:34.400 --> 00:18:39.200 He's set up this globe, he needs full and angel 341 00:18:39.319 --> 00:18:43.119 crew or however it rolls. Then it's obviously important for 342 00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:46.079 us to know what the true Earth is, and I 343 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:48.799 think we're still working that out. And even like I've 344 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:52.279 been sort of guilty of just going for the for 345 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:55.440 the snow globe option, you know, the dime over the top, 346 00:18:57.640 --> 00:18:59.759 but I think it's possible that that is also part 347 00:18:59.799 --> 00:19:03.359 of the high Galien dialectic, dialectic of setting us up 348 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:07.240 for failure, and it's something a bit more supernatural than that, 349 00:19:07.960 --> 00:19:12.119 because not everything makes sense in that conception as well. 350 00:19:12.279 --> 00:19:14.759 So I mean the globe is the first big lie, 351 00:19:14.839 --> 00:19:18.079 but maybe the second big lie is the snow globe version, 352 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:20.759 which I've been going for a bit. But I've been 353 00:19:20.799 --> 00:19:24.759 listening to Vinnie B a bit lately. Do you know 354 00:19:24.759 --> 00:19:28.640 if you heard Vinnie B. I don't think he's got 355 00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:31.759 a YouTube channel, and he's interviewed a bit, but he 356 00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:35.440 reminded me he's following another guy who I remember seeing 357 00:19:35.480 --> 00:19:38.559 his conception in the early days of Flat Earth and 358 00:19:38.599 --> 00:19:40.599 then sort of forgetting all about it. But it's kind 359 00:19:40.599 --> 00:19:44.519 of square Earth. I can't say that I totally understand it. Yeah, 360 00:19:44.839 --> 00:19:48.039 but it's more of a supernatural idea and things coming 361 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:51.680 in and out of this plane of existence, and it's 362 00:19:51.759 --> 00:19:53.279 sort of my next thing that I want to go 363 00:19:53.359 --> 00:19:59.359 deeper into understanding. But Vinnie B has a great YouTube 364 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:02.400 about and he sets it up from a military perspective 365 00:20:02.440 --> 00:20:05.160 to begin with, showing the gridded map of the squares 366 00:20:05.599 --> 00:20:08.200 of how you do your coordinates and stuff, and then 367 00:20:08.240 --> 00:20:11.680 he takes that on and takes that into the flat 368 00:20:11.680 --> 00:20:15.039 earth idea. So I can send that to you at 369 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:17.160 the end if you can't can't find it. 370 00:20:17.200 --> 00:20:19.480 But is that Vinnie B planting seeds? 371 00:20:20.359 --> 00:20:22.160 Vinnie Bee planting seeds. That's the guy. 372 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:22.759 Gotcha. 373 00:20:22.799 --> 00:20:25.839 I found him, and he's been he's been trying to 374 00:20:25.839 --> 00:20:31.039 talk to everybody like flat Earth Dave and other people 375 00:20:31.160 --> 00:20:33.680 like that, and the whole and the whole jourinism thing, 376 00:20:33.720 --> 00:20:36.119 because I mean, I didn't follow that so closely about 377 00:20:36.839 --> 00:20:41.319 how they went to Antarctica and then stopped living in 378 00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:45.119 flat earth because the twenty four hour son, but because 379 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:47.599 the twenty four hour son thing maybe doesn't work in 380 00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:50.880 the snow glode model or the globe model. So then 381 00:20:50.880 --> 00:20:53.240 maybe the model something else, because we know it's flat. 382 00:20:53.359 --> 00:20:56.440 It's certainly we know we're not on a ball. So yeah, 383 00:20:56.480 --> 00:20:59.359 that's a starting point. So but maybe it's maybe it's 384 00:20:59.400 --> 00:21:02.960 more mysterio. It's the most supernatural than the than the 385 00:21:02.960 --> 00:21:04.279 snow globe option as well. 386 00:21:04.599 --> 00:21:07.200 Yeah, I truly believe that there's some things our brain 387 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:11.160 just can't comprehend. And man just says, you know, we can, 388 00:21:11.279 --> 00:21:13.440 We're going to figure everything out. This this is what 389 00:21:13.480 --> 00:21:16.599 it must be. But I truly believe we're not gonna 390 00:21:16.880 --> 00:21:19.079 know everything. And there's some things we can't even comprehend 391 00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:21.880 until we pass over to the other side, until we 392 00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:25.440 know walk through those pearly gates of heaven and then. 393 00:21:26.480 --> 00:21:28.799 But it's interesting when you listen to the Book of Enoch, 394 00:21:28.880 --> 00:21:33.440 he does speak of these caverns, and yeah, it is 395 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:37.279 very interesting. And uh, you know, we we sometimes accuse 396 00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:41.039 people of picking and choosing. There's some interesting verses in 397 00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:43.720 I want to say it's Enoch thirty that lent to 398 00:21:46.279 --> 00:21:48.799 like hollow you know, the the hollow Worth term where 399 00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:53.240 there's things underneath and shiol and everything else. But the 400 00:21:53.279 --> 00:21:56.119 biggest thing is that we are not on a spinning ball. 401 00:21:56.160 --> 00:21:59.400 We're not hurtling through space. We're stationary. God created everything 402 00:21:59.400 --> 00:22:04.279 we're walking on, and evolution, heliocentrism and Big Bang, all 403 00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:09.200 of that is to trivialize God's work. And I actually 404 00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:11.880 I want to toot my own home horn for a second. 405 00:22:12.200 --> 00:22:15.160 I had a doctor's appointment this morning and the nurse 406 00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:20.079 was in there asking me questions and that he asked 407 00:22:20.119 --> 00:22:22.839 me what I did. I said, well, I'm kind of retired. 408 00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:24.519 I do this, I do that. And I said, but 409 00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:27.440 you know, I do podcasts. Oh what do you do? 410 00:22:28.119 --> 00:22:30.319 And he goes, you're not with them? But he goes, 411 00:22:30.319 --> 00:22:32.480 you're not with them flat Earth guys, are you? And 412 00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:36.079 he said that he said that poking at first, right, 413 00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:39.400 And then I started laying it down and he goes, yeah, 414 00:22:39.440 --> 00:22:42.720 so I've heard some pretty compelling things about it. And 415 00:22:43.240 --> 00:22:46.039 so he was actually fronting like, you know, a silly 416 00:22:46.039 --> 00:22:48.240 flat author, But as soon as I said that, he 417 00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:51.160 was like, you could tell he's been at least paying attention. 418 00:22:51.279 --> 00:22:55.160 So this goes back to even though you may not 419 00:22:55.240 --> 00:22:58.200 consider when you talk to someone, they may not be 420 00:22:58.240 --> 00:23:01.000 an instant convert planning that sea going off a long way, 421 00:23:01.000 --> 00:23:03.079 Then when they hear it again I'm won't have bet 422 00:23:03.079 --> 00:23:06.279 that guy. Right now, it's seven thirty, almost Eastern Standard time. 423 00:23:06.319 --> 00:23:09.319 He's probably on his computer shaking his head, saying, oh man, 424 00:23:09.799 --> 00:23:12.079 my whole life has been a lie. 425 00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:14.559 He's having a bit of a look. He's probably finding 426 00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:15.359 your podcast. 427 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:16.720 That's the guy. 428 00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:21.319 Well, let's hope. I mean, it is about planting seeds, 429 00:23:21.319 --> 00:23:24.079 isn't it? Is it difficult as the conversation is sometimes 430 00:23:24.079 --> 00:23:26.079 because you don't want to be a freak. You want 431 00:23:26.119 --> 00:23:29.920 people to think you're a weirdo. But I sort of 432 00:23:29.920 --> 00:23:32.880 get out there with it a bit and I don't 433 00:23:32.920 --> 00:23:36.559 go around just like all day every day, but you know, 434 00:23:36.599 --> 00:23:39.440 I do plant seeds. And my daughter's six years old, 435 00:23:39.440 --> 00:23:41.960 and I mean remember I think she was four and 436 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:43.880 she was back in the back of the car and 437 00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:46.200 she said something like yeah, because we're not on a 438 00:23:46.240 --> 00:23:51.119 spinning ball. And she goes to the playground at school 439 00:23:51.160 --> 00:23:54.279 and she'll she'll say stuff to her mates, and her 440 00:23:54.319 --> 00:23:56.160 mates will be like, oh, yeah, but my dad showed 441 00:23:56.200 --> 00:23:58.279 me a picture of the Earth from space and blah 442 00:23:58.279 --> 00:24:00.559 blah blah. And then she comes home and we have 443 00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:03.400 the conversations and she's she's fully on board, and she 444 00:24:03.519 --> 00:24:07.119 knows you know, she knows there's no space. And we 445 00:24:07.160 --> 00:24:10.359 have the chat about dinosaurs, you know, dinosaurs being fake 446 00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:13.319 and because dinosaurs in space and the two. You know, 447 00:24:13.359 --> 00:24:18.240 you look at little especially little boys clothes, Yeah, it's 448 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:22.559 it's dinosaurs in space. Dinosaurs in space. They just throw 449 00:24:22.599 --> 00:24:25.160 it at you and it's like every little T shirt 450 00:24:25.319 --> 00:24:25.759 or you know. 451 00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:29.079 Well, if you look at up, all the most popular 452 00:24:29.119 --> 00:24:31.759 movies throughout the last fifty years has been Star Wars, 453 00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:37.200 it's been Jurassic Park. Uh, it's been like Contagion Outbreak, 454 00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:40.440 all of these things that they're for entertainment and to 455 00:24:40.720 --> 00:24:43.960 pill for your pockets, but it's also psychological work programming. 456 00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:49.519 Yeah, absolutally. When I love Star Trek, I loved Captain Picard. 457 00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:52.519 You know, I wanted to be Captain Picard. Look well, 458 00:24:52.599 --> 00:24:54.799 you know I you know, I watched it all the time, 459 00:24:54.880 --> 00:24:57.839 every week, and when I was at when I was 460 00:24:57.880 --> 00:25:01.400 at UNI, i did studied science fiction is one of 461 00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:04.680 the streams of literature, and I was all about space. 462 00:25:04.799 --> 00:25:07.160 You know, it was it was hot. It's hard to 463 00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:07.640 give up. 464 00:25:08.400 --> 00:25:10.079 That was the new generation, right. 465 00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:14.319 Yeah, it was the new generation, the one in the nineties. Yeah, 466 00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:17.960 that's it. And I was watching it every way. I'd 467 00:25:17.960 --> 00:25:20.440 go to hockey chining that I'd come home and I 468 00:25:20.480 --> 00:25:24.200 got to my friend's house and we would smoke cannabis 469 00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:27.680 and watch, you know, watch Star Trek and have a 470 00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:28.680 bull with what It was great. 471 00:25:28.759 --> 00:25:32.079 So you joined them in space, join the space. 472 00:25:32.200 --> 00:25:36.160 Yes, before we get into COVID, because obviously, with you 473 00:25:36.400 --> 00:25:40.480 being in music, live entertainment was probably a big source 474 00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:43.400 of your income and that got shut down. But before 475 00:25:43.400 --> 00:25:47.599 we actually get into that part. Yeah, the music industry. 476 00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:51.480 I don't know if you've ever read the book Weird 477 00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:54.480 Scenes from the Laurel Canyon by Dave McGowan, and he 478 00:25:54.519 --> 00:25:57.680 talks about the sixties music movement and how all of 479 00:25:57.720 --> 00:26:00.680 the hippie groups from the sixties were from the same 480 00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:03.839 neighborhood and all of their parents were in the military 481 00:26:03.839 --> 00:26:06.160 industrial Yeah. 482 00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:08.400 I haven't read the book, but I've listened to podcast 483 00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:11.599 interviews with him and I'm kind of aware of a 484 00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:13.440 lot of that. So, yeah, that that was hard to 485 00:26:13.480 --> 00:26:14.599 take on board as well. 486 00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:17.839 Yeah, And with that being said, have you heard any 487 00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:19.160 stories or insight on. 488 00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:22.559 Your opinion of the music. 489 00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:24.799 I mean, I don't want you to, it's your industry, 490 00:26:24.960 --> 00:26:27.319 but I'm talking about the people at the tippy top 491 00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:29.319 and what they have to give up to get there. 492 00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:33.400 I mean, I do believe they to get to the 493 00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:35.680 tippy top, they have to do whatever they have to do, 494 00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:40.079 which is probably something not very nice. You know, when 495 00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:41.960 you hear the stories about Kanye, whether it was his 496 00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:45.240 mum that was sacrificed or not. I guess we don't 497 00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:47.440 know the truth of these things, but I do believe 498 00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:49.880 that anybody that has that level of his exposure and 499 00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:52.799 is you know, Katie Perry goes to Fake Space, like 500 00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:57.079 obviously she's an insider on a level. And I do 501 00:26:57.200 --> 00:27:00.160 think they're involved in like, you know, satanic stuff. And 502 00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:03.480 if you're on that level, and you know, I think 503 00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:06.599 there's different then there's different levels of it. But you know, 504 00:27:06.759 --> 00:27:10.079 some people can get some exposure and some you know, 505 00:27:12.200 --> 00:27:14.160 the music can still get out there to a degree 506 00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:16.599 without being involved in that. But I think it's quite difficult, 507 00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:20.839 and it's you know, I definitely believe that all that happens, 508 00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:25.400 and the most well known pop stars have have done 509 00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:28.440 what they've done, and it's not it's not a nice. 510 00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:30.200 Thing, agreed. 511 00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:32.240 Have you ever taken the time to look into Chris 512 00:27:32.279 --> 00:27:34.160 Cornell and Chester Bennington. 513 00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:35.839 Haven't gone deep on them. 514 00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:38.720 They I'll leave it at that. 515 00:27:38.799 --> 00:27:41.039 If if if you have the time down the road, 516 00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:43.680 look at Chester Bennington, who was the leader I think 517 00:27:43.720 --> 00:27:48.480 of Lincoln Park, Okay, and the guy who was the 518 00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:53.480 subject of the whole Pizzagate thing, Podesta, John Podesta, I 519 00:27:53.480 --> 00:27:57.880 think you know, yeah, yeah, there's so they knew each 520 00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:01.119 other growing up, like they were literally family friends. So 521 00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:03.240 there's a rumor that he's really his father. And if 522 00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:05.200 you look at the picture of them two side by side, 523 00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:11.519 if you just google Chester Bennington and John Podesta. I'm 524 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:14.839 just saying, there's something to it. And then Chris Cornell 525 00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:17.319 apparently they were working on a book or a movie 526 00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:20.799 or something about child trafficking because you know the whole 527 00:28:20.839 --> 00:28:24.160 Ajonal com and everything else, and you know, he they 528 00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:26.000 said he took his own life as well, and a 529 00:28:26.039 --> 00:28:29.519 lot of people said, it's just that, you know, and 530 00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:30.359 I get it, we all. 531 00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:35.400 Say, because he's going to reveal some information quite possible. Yeah, exactly, 532 00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:38.119 it's probably it what a world we live in, Hey. 533 00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:39.160 Yeah, it really is. 534 00:28:39.240 --> 00:28:40.920 And that goes back to auto Hoak, So you really 535 00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:43.000 do in this day and age, it's like having a 536 00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:44.759 friend that has lied to you time and time again. 537 00:28:45.599 --> 00:28:48.160 You have to just prove yourself when you tell me something. 538 00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:51.599 Now, Yeah, that's it. That's it. And I think auto 539 00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:54.640 hurtxing is the correct approach to the media. I'll give 540 00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:57.039 another shout out to the fake the Fake Ologist show. 541 00:28:57.079 --> 00:29:01.359 It's worth a listen guy from Australia that comes on 542 00:29:01.400 --> 00:29:05.039 it every Thursday called Frank the Salt Guy, and he's 543 00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:08.599 a Christian flat Earth who's also into the little season 544 00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:11.319 stuff and he does a great thing every week on 545 00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:14.480 The Phacologist. And I've got a good community, a good 546 00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:15.279 forum as well. 547 00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:17.480 I got the link in the show notes so everybody 548 00:29:17.480 --> 00:29:21.440 can check him out. It's a good fakeology is something 549 00:29:21.720 --> 00:29:24.359 a good website too. I think I've come across the 550 00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:27.240 Fakeologists before. I do have the link in the show notes. 551 00:29:27.279 --> 00:29:33.519 Everybody check them out. There's vaccine danger resources, yes, the numerology, 552 00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:35.400 which I talk about a lot on the other podcast, 553 00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:38.720 the NASA hopex a lot of great information on this website. 554 00:29:39.559 --> 00:29:41.480 Nine to eleven. The whole thing's there. 555 00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:42.599 Yep, yep. 556 00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:45.480 He's not a Christian, but he has lots of Christians on. 557 00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:48.599 Good and hopefully he'll come around obviously. 558 00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:53.920 Well that's the prayer. Absolutely, I'm still new to it, 559 00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:58.000 you know, I'm really we just got like, I believe 560 00:29:58.039 --> 00:29:59.920 in God for a long time, but as I say, 561 00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:02.559 not the God of the Bible. That's that's new to me. 562 00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:06.559 So I just got baptized on Good Friday this year. 563 00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:08.240 Actually, that's amazing my partner. 564 00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:11.480 Yeah, and that's I mean that and getting married was 565 00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:13.920 part of our you know, coming to God, coming to 566 00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:16.799 Jesus being you know, I still don't know about the 567 00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:19.920 term saved, but becoming saved or whatever what you know, 568 00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:25.759 being born again, whatever terminology we use around recognizing that 569 00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:29.200 the only way to the Father is through the sun. 570 00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:34.519 And yeah, we've come to that. So finally got in 571 00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:37.319 even found some church. Yeah, I never thought i'd go 572 00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:40.519 to church, but found a church that's a nice place 573 00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:43.839 to visit. And you know, they don't all believe everything 574 00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:48.039 that we're into, and you know, but said they're doing 575 00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:51.480 an amazing thing, and yeah, I still enjoy it. 576 00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:53.480 That's kind of good for me. 577 00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:57.319 Delvin to COVID and how that affected your life. And 578 00:30:58.119 --> 00:31:00.200 now at this at this point, you've already been kind 579 00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:03.160 of awake from twenty years. So I'm assuming that you 580 00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:07.880 kind of knew day one that it was what it was, 581 00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:10.200 So tell us a little bit about how it affected 582 00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:13.000 you and how you kind of navigated your way through it. 583 00:31:14.319 --> 00:31:16.440 I remember how a friend said to me, Oh, what 584 00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:18.519 do you have you heard about this COVID thing? What 585 00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:20.039 do you think of this COVID thing? And I'm like, 586 00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:23.640 it's a sip, it's a siop. From day one, I 587 00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:26.200 was just calling it out. I mean that same friend 588 00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:29.240 went and got you know, the MR and A and 589 00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:34.480 whatever you say, but me, But yeah, from day one, 590 00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:38.519 I knew that something was that it was, that it 591 00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:42.359 was not real, but I didn't know that viruses weren't 592 00:31:42.359 --> 00:31:44.720 real at that point. You know, there was a lot 593 00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:47.480 of learning through the process. I mean I knew that 594 00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:49.359 I knew that it was fake, and I knew everything 595 00:31:49.359 --> 00:31:53.720 that happened that I was living in Brunswick East, in 596 00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:56.160 the middle of Melbourne City, so close to the city. 597 00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:58.799 Our daughter had just turned one, and we were in 598 00:31:58.839 --> 00:32:03.680 a block of flats, second second flat up, and we'd 599 00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:05.960 already had a really interesting time because we didn't do 600 00:32:06.079 --> 00:32:10.880 the childhood immunization schedule with our daughter, so we were 601 00:32:10.920 --> 00:32:14.720 already sort of fighting with family about that and already 602 00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:17.279 sort of you know, in a massive process, and she 603 00:32:17.359 --> 00:32:20.319 turned one and then the COVID thing kicked off, so 604 00:32:20.359 --> 00:32:24.960 then that process just sort of continued on. And you know, 605 00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:27.759 we had a nice little life, nice little community close 606 00:32:27.799 --> 00:32:31.680 to Melbourne, close to Parklands. We had a music studio 607 00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:36.359 in the in a warehouse nearby, and yeah, we liked 608 00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:38.319 our little life there. And then we were starting to 609 00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:41.039 do up our flat. And then six months into it, 610 00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:42.920 you know, we realized we're doing it up to sell 611 00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:46.799 and we had to had to get out of Melbourne. 612 00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:52.039 So we weren't We weren't wearing we weren't wearing masks, 613 00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:56.119 we weren't social distancing, we weren't doing any of that, 614 00:32:56.279 --> 00:32:58.920 and so you know, we were the odd ones out. 615 00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:00.799 We were the only ones in that block a flat. 616 00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:05.640 I just I remember the day that Annabelle and my 617 00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:08.000 little daughter with her hands up in the air, going 618 00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:11.519 to give another bigger kid a cuddle because everyone was 619 00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:13.720 always wanting to cuddle her, like she's just up like that. 620 00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:16.279 And then the other girl who's like five or six 621 00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:18.759 or something, she looked to her dad. The dad shakes 622 00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:21.400 his head no, and there's Annabelle left with her hands 623 00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:25.039 in the air, and that's like one of like a 624 00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:27.279 number of stories that I could just you know, the 625 00:33:27.319 --> 00:33:31.599 playgrounds were roped off. You know. I remember some other 626 00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:35.119 kid playing on the same piece of equipment and her 627 00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:38.319 parents come over and quit me sanitizing her hands, and 628 00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:42.359 you know, we just weren't into it, and so we were. 629 00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:45.279 You know, I was working mostly as a music therapist, 630 00:33:45.359 --> 00:33:46.839 although I hadn't trained in that. I just sort of 631 00:33:46.839 --> 00:33:49.359 fell into doing that. So obviously then I wasn't able 632 00:33:49.359 --> 00:33:51.920 to go and see all my clients and stuff. So 633 00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:54.079 we would be and we weren't. You're only allowed out 634 00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:57.319 for an hour a day in Melbourne, and we weren't 635 00:33:57.359 --> 00:33:58.799 doing that at all. But we would just go to 636 00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:02.680 the park. We would take a stereo, we'd run tunes, 637 00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:06.240 blow bubbles where we're doing bubbles, and my partner does 638 00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:08.079 like hall of hooping and stuff, so we had haul 639 00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:10.880 of hoops, bubbles, tunes and we would just have our 640 00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:14.840 own little party sort of wherever we were. But we'd 641 00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:17.039 have to sort of sometimes go to parks that weren't 642 00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:19.679 near where we lived so that we wouldn't cop it 643 00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:21.519 from the people that we knew. 644 00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:22.760 A lot of Tattletales. 645 00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:26.559 In that timeframe, Tattletales was crazy, was crazy. You know, 646 00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:30.440 no one wanted to visit you and we're the one 647 00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:32.400 year old and all of a sudden, you know, Grandma's 648 00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:35.440 not coming over, and you know, you know, how to 649 00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:39.840 play with our little kids. And then we cottoned onto 650 00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:42.480 the idea that the golf course, which is just over 651 00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:47.599 the creek from where we lived, was shut down. No 652 00:34:47.679 --> 00:34:50.159 one's playing golf, and so people like us, we're going 653 00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:53.880 to the golf course and just hanging out and just 654 00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:57.679 acting like acting like nothing was wrong. Over the creek 655 00:34:57.719 --> 00:35:00.000 from us, you're looking over and you've seeing people with masks, 656 00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:03.559 walks walking along, social distancing. But in the golf course, 657 00:35:03.559 --> 00:35:08.679 everyone was like partying on running tunes, dancing around, throwing frisbees. 658 00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:12.039 You know, there wasn't heaps of us, but we were 659 00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:15.440 doing it there. And also at Series, which was a 660 00:35:14.159 --> 00:35:19.159 local kind of environment center, so a little group of 661 00:35:19.199 --> 00:35:21.000 us would go and hang out there with other kids. 662 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:25.119 And yeah, so it was it was very traumatizing. It 663 00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:27.559 was really full on. Even though we kind of knew 664 00:35:27.599 --> 00:35:29.519 it was like a hoax and it was all crazy. 665 00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:30.880 You sort of didn't know how long it was going 666 00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:34.960 to go for we bought plane tickets twice to leave 667 00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:37.800 Melbourne to try and find somewhere else to live. Both 668 00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:43.119 times the lockdowns happened again and we ended up being 669 00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:45.159 able to seal our little flat, and then we bought 670 00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:49.360 a townhouse just north of Byron Bay without being able 671 00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:51.800 to see it because we had to we couldn't actually go, 672 00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:54.159 so we were we bought it from out of town 673 00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:57.719 and so a year after being locked up and doing 674 00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:00.559 all that, we made it out and we got to 675 00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:02.639 just north of Byron Bay, which is where people were 676 00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:07.119 a bit more conscious and a bit more open about it. 677 00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:10.239 But then once we got there New South Wales that 678 00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:12.800 have kicked into lockdowns a bit more than what they'd 679 00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:15.639 done previously, and then all of a sudden we're locked 680 00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:18.679 out of the supermarkets and the pubs and old ladies 681 00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:22.480 with masks to trying to talk to my daughter. And 682 00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:24.239 so then we were there for a year and then 683 00:36:24.239 --> 00:36:26.760 we got out of there as well, and then we've 684 00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:29.760 come to this place called Yukai, which is inland about 685 00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:33.440 you know, thirty five forty minutes. So we were kind 686 00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:35.159 of on the felt like we were on the run 687 00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:36.960 from the New world order kind of thing. 688 00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:39.719 You know, if you told me that story and say 689 00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:42.719 nineteen ninety eight and we turned that into a movie, 690 00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:45.920 people would be like, you know, the reviewers, this dystopian 691 00:36:46.039 --> 00:36:51.440 futuristic movie. How a pandemic and this and that and 692 00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:56.199 you're trying to escape and tyranny. But we literally lived 693 00:36:56.199 --> 00:36:58.960 through that, And twenty five years from now when you're 694 00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:01.639 you're grand and children are on your lap and you're 695 00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:04.199 going to tell them that the story of how you 696 00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:07.360 escaped Melbourne and you were only allowed outside for one 697 00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:08.719 hour a day and it's. 698 00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:14.519 Just Kirk, what's going on? Helicopters overhead, you know, one 699 00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:18.159 army personnel and one police officer together knocking on your 700 00:37:18.159 --> 00:37:20.760 door to make sure you weren't you know, you were 701 00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:23.679 at home with the right amount of people or you know, 702 00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:26.840 and during all that time, they're instilled all the five 703 00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:27.679 J towers. 704 00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:31.400 Yeah yeah, yeah, well hand right where it's supposedly started. 705 00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:35.039 I do air quotes for those at home. Five G 706 00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:37.880 was introduced November the first, twenty nineteen. 707 00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:44.639 Yeah, and will Han China Bam, Yep, there it is. 708 00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:46.320 And if you go back to history, every time there's 709 00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:50.280 been a significant upgrade and technology with radio waves, there's 710 00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:52.599 been some type of sickness amongst the population. 711 00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:55.920 Yeah, I think so, you know, our bodies have got 712 00:37:55.920 --> 00:38:00.559 to acclimatize to this and people get unwell, and yeah, 713 00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:01.719 it seems to be that's the way. 714 00:38:01.800 --> 00:38:04.719 Hey, that was That was phase one, and then phase 715 00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:09.880 two kicks off in warp speed record time. Nine months, 716 00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:14.079 We've created an answer to our problems. So obviously even 717 00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:16.000 a bigger alarm went off in your head. 718 00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:19.800 I'm guessing yeah, for sure. I mean I was saying 719 00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:23.679 to people, you know, because as obvious, at a certain point, 720 00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:25.960 this you know, inverted commas vaccine has come and you 721 00:38:26.079 --> 00:38:28.480 need to take it to keep your job. And when 722 00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:30.480 I first started saying that to people, you know, they 723 00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:35.679 think you're crazy. And then and then nobody's nobody says 724 00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:38.199 anything afterwards. You never had anybody come back to you 725 00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:40.800 and say, oh, gee, yeah you were right, it was 726 00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:45.360 a bit crazy or anything like that. So yeah, we 727 00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:48.800 were just obviously never going to take it. People that 728 00:38:48.920 --> 00:38:51.440 have taken it that I know have got ill from it. 729 00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:55.760 I haven't anybody nobody that I know directly has died, 730 00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:57.880 but pick friends of other people I know who's died 731 00:38:57.920 --> 00:38:59.840 from taking it, but I know people that have had 732 00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:02.840 being to hospital from taking it and had heart issues 733 00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:06.440 and all that sort of stuff, and so yeah, I 734 00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:09.239 do think it is a bio weapon. I mean, obviously 735 00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:14.679 not everybody's died from it, some people have. It's it's 736 00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:18.440 definitely it's hard to know the exact agenda, but it 737 00:39:18.519 --> 00:39:21.760 can be some part of preparing preparing our biology for 738 00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:25.559 whatever they going to roll out next, or you know, 739 00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:27.400 not that you want to be in a fear campaign 740 00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:30.199 of what they're doing next, because God is good, and 741 00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:34.519 you know that's to be aware. 742 00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:36.239 Because they win if you live in fear, they win 743 00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:36.880 just by living. 744 00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:40.159 That's it. That's it. That's it. 745 00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:44.719 And that's also when I started deep diving because I 746 00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:46.719 always was, you know what, that guy's been to college 747 00:39:46.719 --> 00:39:49.039 for six years. Why should I even bother looking into 748 00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:52.199 these things? If I'm told to get this, then you 749 00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:58.320 know they start well anti vaxxer. But once once you 750 00:39:58.360 --> 00:40:01.480 come to realize flat earth, and we'll start segueingto that, 751 00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:06.400 you realize if they can lie about that, then everything 752 00:40:06.559 --> 00:40:10.880 auto hoax or mentality. And then I started I start 753 00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:14.880 reading books The Poison Needle from eleanor McBean from nineteen 754 00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:18.039 fifty seven, A Century of Vaccination and what it teaches 755 00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:21.840 written in eighteen ninety eight. Then you see all of 756 00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:25.320 these uprisings in England and in the eighteen hundreds, and 757 00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:28.400 this is nothing new. People have been standing up against 758 00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:30.199 vaccines for two hundred years. 759 00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:35.320 Yeah, absolutely absolutely, and it gets swept under the rug. 760 00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:37.480 I guess a couple of a couple of world wars 761 00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:43.320 to wipe out collective you know, memories and very set things. 762 00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:47.880 And anytime that there has and I've studied history so much, 763 00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:50.559 like in the seventeen fifties there was a great awakening 764 00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:56.599 spiritually in America and that got hijacked by a revolutionary war, 765 00:40:56.760 --> 00:40:59.480 and then there was another one in the early nineteen 766 00:40:59.559 --> 00:41:02.760 hundreds that got hijacked. And it seems like every time 767 00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:05.719 that there is a spiritual awakening, they use one of 768 00:41:05.760 --> 00:41:09.920 their magic potions, whether it's war or famine because they 769 00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:14.400 do control the weather or or this, you know, pandemics. 770 00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:18.639 They will do their best to do a virtue attention 771 00:41:18.719 --> 00:41:19.719 from God. 772 00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:24.519 Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like we were saying earlier on, they're 773 00:41:24.599 --> 00:41:25.400 very good at what they do. 774 00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:29.840 And when you were introduced, I guess what was the 775 00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:33.039 first thing that even got your attention about flat Earth. 776 00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:37.760 Yeah, so I was thinking that I was the smart guy, 777 00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:41.320 this the conspiracy guy who knew all the stuff. And 778 00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:44.840 I had a friend, a younger friend called Adam, and 779 00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:48.199 Adam started telling me about it, and I just thought 780 00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:52.079 that he'd smoked too much weed, gone too far and 781 00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:54.920 he was just getting a bit, you know, and sort 782 00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:59.320 of lost it a bit. And then I, you know, 783 00:41:59.400 --> 00:42:01.760 he kept talking about it, and so then I started 784 00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:06.000 looking into it a little bit, and then it was 785 00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:07.599 that you know, I think he told me probably late 786 00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:10.119 twenty fourteen, and then twenty fifteen, like we were talking before, 787 00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:13.679 was that big wave and YouTube was open at that point, 788 00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:16.920 so I started I started looking into it, you know, 789 00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:19.360 with the idea that you're thinking in five or ten 790 00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:21.760 minutes you're going to be able to debunk it, and 791 00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:25.880 then you end up totally fascinated. And my partner went 792 00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:28.840 back to England for a month and I just consumed 793 00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:33.280 everything that I could find on the topic. Mark Sergeant's 794 00:42:33.519 --> 00:42:35.360 Flat Earth Files was one of the big ones at 795 00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:39.519 the time, Like I watched that a few times. Then 796 00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:42.559 obviously you know Eric Debay and everything that was out 797 00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:47.079 at the time. Flat Earth Dave everything. I just watched it. 798 00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:49.440 I just went hard, and I just just got to 799 00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:53.159 that point and just like I can't, I can't deny this. 800 00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:56.159 I can't deny this, you know. And then you know, 801 00:42:56.440 --> 00:42:58.400 I'd go down to the beach or something like that 802 00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:01.599 and just look look at the horizon, and you know, 803 00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:03.440 then you go on a plane a bit later, and 804 00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:07.719 then you're like, you're looking at the plane. 805 00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:04.960 And. 806 00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:08.400 You know, there was a lot of me trying to 807 00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:10.320 resist it. But the more I looked at the information 808 00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:12.400 and the more I just tried to trust my own 809 00:43:12.440 --> 00:43:15.559 eyes over what I'd been told, I just slowly but 810 00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:18.480 surely came to it, and probably still for the first 811 00:43:18.519 --> 00:43:21.679 six months to a year was still into it, but 812 00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:25.480 a little bit wobbly, you know. But after a year 813 00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:30.239 or so, I've been just like totally clear and unshakable, 814 00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:32.519 and you know, every now and then I'll you know, 815 00:43:32.679 --> 00:43:35.880 I'll tell people about it and share with some friends 816 00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:38.559 and stuff. So, yeah, it was was my friend Adam, 817 00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:41.079 So props to Adam for putting me onto it, and 818 00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:43.559 then and then the YouTube algorithms and it all being 819 00:43:43.599 --> 00:43:47.599 open at that point. And another friend reminded me afterwards 820 00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:50.239 about that thing I said, I think Adam's gone crazy. 821 00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:53.159 And then I told him about the flat Earth and 822 00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:55.239 he looked into it. He didn't quite take it on board, 823 00:43:55.280 --> 00:43:56.960 but he was sort of open to it. But it 824 00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:00.639 was funny looking back and remembering that, I, you know, 825 00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:02.679 I thought he'd gone I thought he'd lost it when 826 00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:05.239 I first he talken about it. 827 00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:07.400 Yeah, and that is the general reaction. 828 00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:10.800 But again, once I think most of us go into debunket, right, 829 00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:14.599 that's just silly. But once you start well, this is 830 00:44:14.599 --> 00:44:15.400 a lie, this is lie. 831 00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:19.079 Let me just look into it, and then yeah, you know, whether. 832 00:44:18.880 --> 00:44:23.559 It's curvature or just thinking gravity in itself, all these 833 00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:24.519 things are just theories. 834 00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:25.559 Then you start to look at. 835 00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:30.239 The numbers and then why am I believing something that 836 00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:34.880 someone told me versus what I'm experiencing? That that is, 837 00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:37.559 people are living and I was there too. I'm not, 838 00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:40.440 but we're under such a spell. And that's when they 839 00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:47.760 talk about bab breaking the matrix. Yes, literally, that's that's 840 00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:50.800 what you really have to do. You have to unlearn 841 00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:53.360 a lot of the stuff that you were programmed, like, 842 00:44:53.480 --> 00:45:00.639 you know, you know, control all delete, reboot, ye, understand 843 00:45:00.719 --> 00:45:03.159 who is the prince of this world? And understand that 844 00:45:03.239 --> 00:45:06.280 he can't create anything, So what does he do? He 845 00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:11.920 deceives and all around everything. Yeah, money's deception. Money's not 846 00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:16.480 real that this earth that God made for us, it 847 00:45:16.519 --> 00:45:21.559 doesn't belong to the government, right They they like, we 848 00:45:21.639 --> 00:45:25.159 have to ask permission for everything. Got created this for us, 849 00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:28.360 not not for Trump, not for a Biden, not for. 850 00:45:28.280 --> 00:45:31.480 An Obama, not for a Bush. It's for all of us. 851 00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:32.559 But we get so. 852 00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:37.920 Brainwashed, and you know, we get in, we buy into 853 00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:39.559 the right versus left paradigm. 854 00:45:39.599 --> 00:45:41.679 We choose a team, whether. 855 00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:46.440 It's yeah, whether it's sports or politics, or mask or 856 00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:49.559 no mass vaccine or no vaccine. 857 00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:51.239 We have to stop taking. 858 00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:54.559 The bait and come together to to fight a bigger 859 00:45:55.119 --> 00:45:55.880 spiritual war. 860 00:45:57.039 --> 00:45:59.679 Yeah, and that's where I think, you know, Jesus does 861 00:45:59.719 --> 00:46:02.679 come into it because I was I was oppositional, like 862 00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:05.559 I was like I wasn't wearing the mask, and you know, 863 00:46:05.599 --> 00:46:09.920 I was judgmental of people that were. And and I 864 00:46:09.960 --> 00:46:12.880 think when you take the next step of being being 865 00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:15.039 saved by Christ and you're you're not going to be 866 00:46:15.159 --> 00:46:17.480 judging people as much and you can be in a 867 00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:21.480 better heart space with with people, and yeah, step away 868 00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:24.079 from the division of being into that this or that, 869 00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:26.800 even if you're the right on the right team of like, yeah, 870 00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:29.360 of course it's not right to wear a mask. But 871 00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:31.719 if you are going into that world of as you say, 872 00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:36.199 division left versus right, then yeah, you've fallen through the trap. 873 00:46:36.400 --> 00:46:38.800 You've done it. You've gone into it, and you know, 874 00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:41.800 the deceiver wins. And and here we. 875 00:46:41.719 --> 00:46:47.440 Are in your six silver bullets, if you will, what 876 00:46:47.719 --> 00:46:50.199 are the most what were the most convenced? 877 00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:54.679 Wrote them out. Actually I was ready for the six 878 00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:57.199 silver bullets. Turvature has to be number one, And that 879 00:46:57.280 --> 00:46:58.800 was the big one that got me at the time. 880 00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:01.880 I just think, you know, we all looked at the 881 00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:04.800 curvature maths, and you know, what is it over ten 882 00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:07.920 k's it's seven point eight five meters over one thousand 883 00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:13.239 k's you're up to you know, seventy eight kilometers or something. Well, 884 00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:16.800 it's just it's just not there. The curvature is. You know, 885 00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:19.679 it's not there. So our eyes don't deceive us. You 886 00:47:19.679 --> 00:47:21.840 look through your binoculars, you look through your phone, you 887 00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:25.760 look through your fancy camera. So number one has to 888 00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:28.800 be curvature. That's always one that I use with people 889 00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:31.159 when I'm talking about I'm just say, you know, we're 890 00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:34.280 not on a ball because there is no curvature. It's 891 00:47:34.400 --> 00:47:38.199 just not there. And then two has to be the spin. 892 00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:42.599 You know, we're not spinning at six hundred kilometers an 893 00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:46.280 hour or thirty kilometers a second. I mean, if you've 894 00:47:46.320 --> 00:47:48.360 been on a plane, or if you've done anything, or 895 00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:51.760 anyone that's done anything with engineering or anything, it's just 896 00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:55.280 the spin's not there. So I go number one, curvature, 897 00:47:56.119 --> 00:48:00.320 number two, spin, number three the behavior of water, because 898 00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:02.920 water always finds its level. You know, we've all had 899 00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:07.719 these conversations and understandings, but that's the order I put 900 00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:12.960 them in. Three is the water. Four is the sun? 901 00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:16.920 Is the sun? You know the sun is they say 902 00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:20.280 it's ninety three million miles away. It seems very local. 903 00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:24.119 We have corpuscular rays, God's rays, the clouds go in 904 00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:26.719 front of the sun. Oh it's not there, you know, 905 00:48:26.760 --> 00:48:30.480 it's like so that seems to be so obvious as well, 906 00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:33.000 if we believe our eyes, so before would be the 907 00:48:33.880 --> 00:48:38.920 local sun. Another one that I thought was the moonlight 908 00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:43.039 was a good one as number five, because you can 909 00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:46.519 measure moonlight as cool. Therefore it doesn't fit into the 910 00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:50.760 heliocentric model as reflecting sunlight. So I think that's a 911 00:48:50.760 --> 00:48:55.039 really good proof because that's measurable and there, and then 912 00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:57.000 I put it as six. And even though it's not 913 00:48:57.039 --> 00:48:59.400 the last one, I've put it there in order because 914 00:48:59.400 --> 00:49:02.159 I think they all work with you believe in God 915 00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:06.400 or Jesus or anything like, they're all they're there. And 916 00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:10.000 then six I would put as the Biblical account of creation, 917 00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:16.800 so you know, Genesis is there if there's an intelligent, 918 00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:20.320 purposeful creator that's made this earth, not millions of planets, 919 00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:23.440 and it's made people in his image that you know, 920 00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:27.079 we're not evolved from monkeys. He's created a plantings life 921 00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:31.599 ever after in his kingdom. So I think even though 922 00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:34.920 the Bible is not the last in importance, you know 923 00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:36.280 that's that's my number six. 924 00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:39.840 Those are all outstanding. And I will tell you you know, 925 00:49:39.880 --> 00:49:44.519 I've been a flat earth or biblical cosmologist, whatever you 926 00:49:44.519 --> 00:49:47.400 would you'd like to tag it for five years now, 927 00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:50.079 and I will tell you that the longer that I 928 00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:52.960 think about it, I think every year that goes by, 929 00:49:53.079 --> 00:49:56.039 I think water tippy toes closer to the top of 930 00:49:56.079 --> 00:50:01.360 that list, just because I mean, nobody can replicate water 931 00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:04.599 sticking to a ball. And you know, growing up, I 932 00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:07.639 was a carpenter. I was I laid bricks and locks 933 00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:10.000 and the tool that I used the most when I 934 00:50:10.039 --> 00:50:11.480 was doing that was a level. 935 00:50:12.039 --> 00:50:13.719 And yeah, it's water. 936 00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:18.199 With a bubble, very very very simple tool and it 937 00:50:18.320 --> 00:50:23.920 explains everything. We're even a plumb bob. But and I 938 00:50:23.960 --> 00:50:26.400 know this, you can't really answer this question even though 939 00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:28.280 we were all there first. I want to ask you, 940 00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:34.239 why is it so hard to including ourselves? 941 00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:35.239 It took us many years. 942 00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:37.519 Why is it so hard to tear down that wall 943 00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:41.440 and accept something on the level? And Mom, Dad, if 944 00:50:41.440 --> 00:50:43.599 you have children in the car, fast forward ten seconds, 945 00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:46.440 why are we so easy to believe something that is 946 00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:48.599 really on level with something as funny as Santa Claus, 947 00:50:50.679 --> 00:50:53.400 Like really the spinning ball in Santa Claus. They're both 948 00:50:53.639 --> 00:50:55.760 the same level of tails, but one when we get older, 949 00:50:55.760 --> 00:50:58.039 we're like, hah, that didn't really happen, But we're still 950 00:50:58.039 --> 00:50:59.079 really spinning on a ball. 951 00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:03.599 And still everybody still wants to do Christmas, don't they 952 00:51:03.679 --> 00:51:05.880 and do the same thing and wrap the presence under 953 00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:09.519 the tree. That's a big one in our house because 954 00:51:09.519 --> 00:51:11.519 I've always been not wanting to tell our daughter that 955 00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:15.760 even though my partner's on board with you know, all 956 00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:19.360 this stuff, but still loves the magic of the Christmas tree, 957 00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:24.559 I'm trying to be relaxed about it. Yeah. I think 958 00:51:24.599 --> 00:51:28.639 it's just the collective like when you're in a I mean, 959 00:51:29.000 --> 00:51:31.880 as you say, there's no there's no answer, but it's 960 00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:37.360 a collective thought program that everybody's all in together. So 961 00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:40.960 to break out of that, you're you're the odd one out. 962 00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:45.440 Then you become different, you become not accepted, and you 963 00:51:45.480 --> 00:51:47.199 want to fit in. You want to be part of society. 964 00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:48.800 You want to have a job, you want to have 965 00:51:48.840 --> 00:51:51.000 a house, you want to have a nice car, you 966 00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:52.599 want to be able to live a nice life and 967 00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:55.880 do all these things. So I think coming out of 968 00:51:56.760 --> 00:52:01.159 you know, coming out of mainstream society is I guess 969 00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:03.199 it's like being a Christian back in the day when 970 00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:06.360 when the Romans were trying to like, you know, feed 971 00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:10.280 them to the lions'. You become he becomes something other, 972 00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:15.679 and it's not comfortable. It's not comfortable for people. 973 00:52:16.079 --> 00:52:18.320 And the Bible is very clear that if you know 974 00:52:18.760 --> 00:52:20.920 you follow Christ, you're going to be persecuted. And that 975 00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:24.760 is the reflection of our world. If you stood against COVID, 976 00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:26.760 if you stood against that evil, you were canceled. 977 00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:29.800 Right, Yeah, that's it. Jesus said they were going to 978 00:52:29.800 --> 00:52:34.239 be haters. That's the JT's T shirt. Yeah, do you do? 979 00:52:34.320 --> 00:52:36.000 You follow JT follows JC. 980 00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:37.239 I do. 981 00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:41.719 There's so many people, but obviously so much. Yeah, he's good. 982 00:52:41.800 --> 00:52:42.079 There's this. 983 00:52:42.639 --> 00:52:46.119 He was talked a lot about the little season flatter 984 00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:47.400 those type of things. 985 00:52:47.239 --> 00:52:50.320 Right, Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean, I don't know 986 00:52:50.360 --> 00:52:51.800 how much when to go into it, because I know 987 00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:53.400 you've you've done a fair bit of it. But I'm 988 00:52:53.599 --> 00:52:56.679 totally into the little season thing. It makes total sense 989 00:52:56.719 --> 00:52:59.960 to me. And I think he had a great interview 990 00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:04.199 the guy Lewis earlier in the year. Yes, I think 991 00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:06.960 he did an excellent job of laying it all out. 992 00:53:07.400 --> 00:53:09.880 Yeah, and that is something that it's funny that is 993 00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:13.000 in the realm of topics. That is when I'll get 994 00:53:13.400 --> 00:53:16.840 emails on both sides of the fence, you know, Thursday morning, 995 00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:20.000 I'll get emails saying, of course matrix was one hundred 996 00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:22.800 percent spot on. And then I'm gonna get people that's unbiblical. 997 00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:26.239 You shouldn't how dare you? And you know, I understand 998 00:53:26.239 --> 00:53:29.719 everybody sees it differently, but going back to auto hoaxer 999 00:53:31.079 --> 00:53:34.119 and then my lunch break kind of convinced me that 1000 00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:37.320 maybe there is a thousand year timeline that is unaccounted 1001 00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:41.239 because the Dark Ages aren't really accounted for really well. 1002 00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:43.920 And then fifteen hundreds is when they started recording more 1003 00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:47.719 and Martin Luther and the Protestant movement, so I can 1004 00:53:47.840 --> 00:53:49.480 understand the arguments on both sides. 1005 00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:54.880 Yeah, definitely. And there is that stuff in you know, Matthew, 1006 00:53:55.760 --> 00:53:58.159 especially Matthew twenty four I think in the Bible. And 1007 00:53:58.199 --> 00:54:01.079 it is a guy called Bryan Gottawa. I don't know 1008 00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:03.760 if you've come across him. He's written a book called 1009 00:54:03.880 --> 00:54:09.880 Matthew twenty four Fulfilled. So let's say when he says, truly, 1010 00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:11.800 I say to you, there are some standing here who 1011 00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:14.000 will not taste death until they see the Son of 1012 00:54:14.039 --> 00:54:17.199 Man coming in his kingdom. All that type of stuff. 1013 00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:20.400 And then you know, just with the autohoax perspective, it's 1014 00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:22.920 like I'm just going to think, of course Satan would 1015 00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:27.440 deceive the timeline as well. He's you know, biblical cosmology, 1016 00:54:27.639 --> 00:54:33.280 biblical timeline, biblical genealogy. They're like the Three areas for 1017 00:54:33.360 --> 00:54:36.039 me now that I sort of identify and focus on. 1018 00:54:36.639 --> 00:54:39.199 So think, you know, biblical cosmology, like where we are 1019 00:54:39.679 --> 00:54:42.079 the earth, the biblical timeline, where where are we in 1020 00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:46.000 the biblical timeline? And for me makes sense that that 1021 00:54:46.039 --> 00:54:48.599 we're in the little Season, and that everything that happened 1022 00:54:48.639 --> 00:54:51.000 was fulfilled, that Jesus did what he said he was 1023 00:54:51.159 --> 00:54:54.519 going to do. And then the biblical genealogy, the idea 1024 00:54:54.599 --> 00:54:57.920 that you know, angels fallen, angels mated with humans, and 1025 00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:01.920 that whole thing. They're the kind of three things that 1026 00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:04.920 kind of set me apart from what's mostly talked about 1027 00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:07.639 in the church, but three areas that I think is 1028 00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:09.599 are really important to look into. 1029 00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:13.360 Yeah, and I found the link. It appears it's only 1030 00:55:13.400 --> 00:55:15.719 a kindle book, not a physical book. 1031 00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:18.440 Yeah, I think so. I tend to do the kindle 1032 00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:20.679 thing because ordering books from the States, I tend to 1033 00:55:20.679 --> 00:55:23.559 read them on the kindles. So yeah, it is it 1034 00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:25.199 is just a kind of book. I think you're right. 1035 00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:27.280 Nevertheless, I have the link in the show notes. If 1036 00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:29.079 anybody's entry. It's a dollar ninety nine. 1037 00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:33.280 Yeah, nice and cheap and a really good book. Yeah, 1038 00:55:33.440 --> 00:55:35.360 there's lots of good books on the little Season. 1039 00:55:35.679 --> 00:55:37.800 Actually, yeah, yeah, it's interesting. 1040 00:55:38.079 --> 00:55:41.000 It's like that ten year remark, because really, just within 1041 00:55:41.039 --> 00:55:44.000 the last two years, I think this topic has become 1042 00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:47.079 up there with you know, flatter with how it caught 1043 00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:48.920 fire and went off and running. 1044 00:55:49.639 --> 00:55:53.760 I think it's the next one that's like important, is 1045 00:55:53.800 --> 00:55:56.800 equally as important as flat Earth. And you know a 1046 00:55:56.840 --> 00:56:00.719 lot of Christians obviously will be to come to it 1047 00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:04.000 because they're invested in the Second Coming idea, me coming 1048 00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:06.559 late to the Bible and late to Christianity. I'm sort 1049 00:56:06.599 --> 00:56:09.320 of I'm not saying I'm right, because I know I 1050 00:56:09.360 --> 00:56:11.719 don't know the Bible as well as a lot of 1051 00:56:11.719 --> 00:56:15.400 people that still believe in a second Coming. But I 1052 00:56:15.440 --> 00:56:17.559 think I don't come to the Bible with a bias 1053 00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:21.199 because I haven't been invested in it prior to this 1054 00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:26.000 in my life. So yeah, I mean there's a lot 1055 00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:30.400 of good people. Noel Joshua Hadley, he does a thing 1056 00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:34.239 called the Unexpected Cosmology. I think he's excellent on The 1057 00:56:34.239 --> 00:56:39.199 Little Season and the Flat Earth as well. Madeline who 1058 00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:43.079 does the Leaving Babylon Channel, She's excellent on the Little 1059 00:56:43.119 --> 00:56:49.559 Season and Flat Earther. Jason Jack He's an excellent flat earther, 1060 00:56:50.239 --> 00:56:54.000 you know, Biblical cosmology, little season people. And then you've 1061 00:56:54.000 --> 00:57:00.280 got the secular theorists like Professor Gunner Heinzen, who he's 1062 00:57:00.320 --> 00:57:03.480 the one that talks about the thousand years taken from 1063 00:57:03.760 --> 00:57:06.159 the timeline deception, but he's not a Christian, but he 1064 00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:11.239 lays it out and Anatolely Foramenko is the other secular 1065 00:57:11.320 --> 00:57:15.559 theorist that sort of supports the little season idea that 1066 00:57:15.559 --> 00:57:20.440 the timeline deception has happened. I just chucked a few 1067 00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:23.960 names out there from just some of the people that 1068 00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:27.440 I've enjoyed that I think support the little season idea. 1069 00:57:27.760 --> 00:57:29.639 Of course, I think the most important thing is to 1070 00:57:29.679 --> 00:57:33.559 be to be humble and into Jesus and all of that, 1071 00:57:33.639 --> 00:57:35.559 but I do think the little Season thing is worth 1072 00:57:36.039 --> 00:57:37.159 people's time and energy. 1073 00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:40.360 Yeah, I've got Famenco's first because I think is it 1074 00:57:40.400 --> 00:57:44.079 a five or seven series of books about the new chronology. 1075 00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:46.440 Yeah, you've got the books. 1076 00:57:46.719 --> 00:57:49.239 I got part one, okay, on you. 1077 00:57:49.480 --> 00:57:51.079 I tend to be a bit of a just watching 1078 00:57:51.119 --> 00:57:52.400 him online, but yeah. 1079 00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:54.840 Yeah, he's I think he's eighty years old now or 1080 00:57:54.840 --> 00:57:55.599 somewhere around there. 1081 00:57:55.599 --> 00:57:56.719 He was born in the forties. 1082 00:57:58.039 --> 00:58:01.400 Yeah, he's the Russian version of of a Baby Boomer 1083 00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:05.280 basically at the end of the war. But if you 1084 00:58:05.320 --> 00:58:07.599 try to get that whole series like the original eBay, 1085 00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:09.639 it's a lot of money. But now I guess there 1086 00:58:09.679 --> 00:58:12.119 was a reprint where they did I forget if it 1087 00:58:12.159 --> 00:58:16.239 was section one or one through three. But yeah, my 1088 00:58:16.280 --> 00:58:18.079 wife is so mad because every time I do an interview, 1089 00:58:18.119 --> 00:58:21.400 I got to buy another book. Yeah, but you know, 1090 00:58:21.719 --> 00:58:23.800 I tend to get the physical copies because I'm just 1091 00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:26.000 afraid one day they're going to do a Fahrenheit four 1092 00:58:26.119 --> 00:58:28.000 fifty one and just all the important. 1093 00:58:27.639 --> 00:58:30.800 Thing if you can afford to that's brilliant, familiar with 1094 00:58:31.079 --> 00:58:34.679 in a I'm just like every book that I want. 1095 00:58:35.320 --> 00:58:37.119 I wouldn't got to buy all my plugins from my 1096 00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:37.800 music studio. 1097 00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:42.360 There you go, new samples coming out next week. Yeah, 1098 00:58:43.599 --> 00:58:47.480 that's awesome. Yeah. Fimenco is a very interesting read. It 1099 00:58:47.559 --> 00:58:48.000 really is. 1100 00:58:48.480 --> 00:58:51.840 Somehow I find it. I found a digital intro to 1101 00:58:51.960 --> 00:58:54.599 his book, the first one, and I read it like 1102 00:58:54.639 --> 00:59:04.360 four times, and it's you know, man, Yeah, you know, 1103 00:59:04.400 --> 00:59:07.920 we're all seeking the truth and we all have different perspectives. 1104 00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:12.039 But the thing you have to remember is, and a 1105 00:59:12.039 --> 00:59:16.599 lot of people don't understand is everything is a lie, right, 1106 00:59:18.239 --> 00:59:22.000 Everything is based on a lie. So I think, like 1107 00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:25.960 going full circle back to flat earth. You know, maybe 1108 00:59:26.000 --> 00:59:29.440 the firmament is an exactly snow globe, right, but we 1109 00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:32.320 know the truth what they tell us is this fact 1110 00:59:33.199 --> 00:59:36.880 is not. So we're just trying to make our way 1111 00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:40.639 through a pack of lies to get some semblance. 1112 00:59:40.159 --> 00:59:40.719 Of the truth. 1113 00:59:41.719 --> 00:59:45.760 Yeah, that's it. I Mit texted me last night who 1114 00:59:45.760 --> 00:59:48.119 I said that I was we go into Catholic schools 1115 00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:50.400 and do music together with kids, and I said I 1116 00:59:50.440 --> 00:59:52.679 was going to come on this and he texted saying 1117 00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:54.880 good luck, and I said thanks. I think the only 1118 00:59:54.920 --> 00:59:56.559 thing I know is we're not on a globe and 1119 00:59:56.639 --> 00:59:57.719 Jesus Christ is king. 1120 00:59:57.840 --> 00:59:58.880 Amen, And that's it. 1121 00:59:59.239 --> 01:00:02.400 Everything else is a beautiful puzzle to be looking into 1122 01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:05.639 together with with kindness in our hearts. Really, I guess 1123 01:00:05.719 --> 01:00:06.800 let's not fight over it. 1124 01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:07.599 Amen. 1125 01:00:07.679 --> 01:00:10.920 That's it's very simple that that's the two most important things. 1126 01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:13.559 We're not on a spinning ball and Chris is king. 1127 01:00:13.599 --> 01:00:15.920 All things are we just like you said, we get 1128 01:00:15.960 --> 01:00:18.360 to the Father through the son and everything else. We 1129 01:00:18.400 --> 01:00:22.039 can have kind discussions over and again. We're doing a 1130 01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:24.840 lot of our research outside of the Bible. Everything else 1131 01:00:24.920 --> 01:00:26.119 is biased and flawed. 1132 01:00:27.400 --> 01:00:31.480 Absolutely absolutely. I'm glad I finally made it to that, 1133 01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:35.960 to that understanding after fifty years on this plane. 1134 01:00:36.320 --> 01:00:39.400 I'm thankful too, And I'm uh, you've brought so much 1135 01:00:39.440 --> 01:00:42.760 to the program today. Was there any other bullets bullet 1136 01:00:42.760 --> 01:00:45.119 points I should say that you we hadn't mentioned yet. 1137 01:00:46.639 --> 01:00:49.440 No, that was you know, I was ready with my six. 1138 01:00:49.480 --> 01:00:53.639 That were my six. I just really grateful for your 1139 01:00:54.239 --> 01:00:57.519 online ministry that you're doing that, Like you've shared this 1140 01:00:57.559 --> 01:00:59.960 with so many people. Understand how much time and energy 1141 01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:01.519 it must take to put it out there, and that 1142 01:01:01.599 --> 01:01:04.280 takes time away from your family and the rest of 1143 01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:07.400 your life. So we all appreciate it. And I think 1144 01:01:07.679 --> 01:01:09.280 for a while there there was a lot of flat 1145 01:01:09.320 --> 01:01:11.320 Earth information around there, and then it was sort of 1146 01:01:11.400 --> 01:01:13.639 drying up for a bit, and when you came in 1147 01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:16.440 with your podcast, it was like a real fresh injection 1148 01:01:16.840 --> 01:01:19.800 of good energy. And that the fact that you're just 1149 01:01:20.320 --> 01:01:24.119 interviewing regular people like myself as well as people who've 1150 01:01:24.440 --> 01:01:26.679 written books and have YouTube channels and stuff. I think 1151 01:01:26.679 --> 01:01:30.360 it's amazing, and yeah, well done, George, thank you well. 1152 01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:33.480 I appreciate it, and it's been an absolute pleasure, and 1153 01:01:33.880 --> 01:01:36.199 I hope everybody, I hope you publish your songs soon. 1154 01:01:36.719 --> 01:01:39.440 The Bioweapon Blues and the Truth. 1155 01:01:39.159 --> 01:01:43.840 Speak very well, they'll come out. They'll come out. Yeah, 1156 01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:46.159 just doing final touches on a few mixes and just 1157 01:01:46.199 --> 01:01:49.159 making sure we're totally happy with Truth Seeker. That one's finished, 1158 01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:53.679 ready to be released soon by Weapon Blues. I wrote 1159 01:01:53.719 --> 01:01:55.239 that a couple of years ago, in the middle of 1160 01:01:55.280 --> 01:01:57.599 it all, but still just doing a few tweaks to 1161 01:01:57.639 --> 01:02:01.000 the mix. We'll probably put that out soon and more 1162 01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:01.760 to com for sure. 1163 01:02:02.119 --> 01:02:04.119 Is there a place where people can follow your music? 1164 01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:08.480 Then my main thing is my partner, that's Rachel by 1165 01:02:08.519 --> 01:02:12.159 the Stream. So that's just in all the you know, 1166 01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:16.800 all the places that you find music. My matrix material, 1167 01:02:16.880 --> 01:02:19.239 my oldest stuff. I'm not really promoting. I was into 1168 01:02:19.360 --> 01:02:21.920 a bit of wacky stuff, rapping about the mind calendar 1169 01:02:21.920 --> 01:02:24.719 and all sorts of things back then. My focus has 1170 01:02:24.760 --> 01:02:28.000 shifted and I haven't released my own stuff for the 1171 01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:30.320 last ten or fifteen years. But I have a sort 1172 01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:33.079 of a backlog of material that I do agree with 1173 01:02:33.119 --> 01:02:39.239 that I'll be releasing as the time comes forward. I guess. Yeah. 1174 01:02:39.679 --> 01:02:43.280 M A double Triks is how I spelled matrics and 1175 01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:46.000 that you know you'll be able to find more of 1176 01:02:46.079 --> 01:02:47.760 my new music out there sometime soon. 1177 01:02:48.880 --> 01:02:51.159 That's awesome. And I did find Rachel by the stream 1178 01:02:51.159 --> 01:02:53.320 on Spotify. The first song is Lions Down. 1179 01:02:54.440 --> 01:02:56.559 Yes, that's lines, Yes, that's us. 1180 01:02:56.719 --> 01:02:59.280 Well done, so check it out, folks the links in 1181 01:02:59.280 --> 01:03:03.159 the show notes check and find his music there. Thanks George, 1182 01:03:03.599 --> 01:03:05.719 and thank you and thank you for your time and 1183 01:03:06.119 --> 01:03:09.639 sharing your story like so many others have before us. 1184 01:03:09.679 --> 01:03:11.519 God bless you and your family, and it was such 1185 01:03:11.519 --> 01:03:13.480 a pleasure meeting you. 1186 01:03:13.480 --> 01:03:15.079 You too, Judge, God bless you. 1187 01:03:15.280 --> 01:03:16.920 Thank you, and to all the listeners, thank you for 1188 01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:20.280 your continued support. Have a great weekend. Until we meet again, 1189 01:03:20.320 --> 01:03:25.880 my friends, God bless you, and we will see. 1190 01:03:26.239 --> 01:03:31.960 I've been locked and shut out, blessing with the fear. 1191 01:03:33.760 --> 01:03:38.960 Voices in the darkness. Listen. No one wants to keep 1192 01:03:40.519 --> 01:03:45.280 the world's a roll alion shut it aast and by 1193 01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:48.000 my soul, there's. 1194 01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:51.880 A fire in the spirit and it's time to take control. 1195 01:03:54.280 --> 01:03:59.480 I've been breathing, shouting in the fight. 1196 01:04:01.400 --> 01:04:05.239 You wait of all the silence keeps. 1197 01:04:04.960 --> 01:04:10.159 Me hiding from the line, But your truth is bene 1198 01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:12.039 It's a. 1199 01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:13.960 Flame that won't go loud. 1200 01:04:15.559 --> 01:04:17.079 Jesus gave me courage. 1201 01:04:17.360 --> 01:04:19.440 Let me show your own. 1202 01:04:21.880 --> 01:04:26.519 Nor more change, nor more fear. Your voice is calling. 1203 01:04:27.159 --> 01:04:29.440 Let clean, break the. 1204 01:04:29.599 --> 01:04:32.239 Soun slead your eyes. 1205 01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:37.320 Show the name of Jesus to the skies. Unshame thou 1206 01:04:37.480 --> 01:04:38.760 standing sack. 1207 01:04:39.519 --> 01:04:40.519 For the free. 1208 01:04:40.679 --> 01:04:45.480 A moment you can bring or break the silence. Lead 1209 01:04:46.119 --> 01:04:51.599 round the gasp of truth forever more. With every friend, 1210 01:04:51.840 --> 01:05:00.840 I lift you high. Jesus, You're the reason why. 1211 01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:02.840 Ain't no miss Minsky mad. 1212 01:05:04.280 --> 01:05:08.480 Shining to steal my voice. 1213 01:05:07.880 --> 01:05:13.880 Telling me my faith th just a weak and foolish choice. 1214 01:05:14.360 --> 01:05:16.960 But I feel your spirit. 1215 01:05:17.760 --> 01:05:21.039 Stevent deep within my phone. 1216 01:05:21.760 --> 01:05:23.360 You're the rock I'm standing on. 1217 01:05:23.920 --> 01:05:30.119 I'm never standing alone the world. They trying to drown 1218 01:05:30.199 --> 01:05:36.119 me when it's chaos, saying it's noise, but your loves 1219 01:05:36.159 --> 01:05:41.840 a holy thunder and it's breaking through the boy. 1220 01:05:42.280 --> 01:05:44.079 I'm done with hesitation. 1221 01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:46.480 I'm done. 1222 01:05:46.559 --> 01:05:48.400 I'm playing small. 1223 01:05:49.599 --> 01:05:53.639 Jesus showing my anthem, and I answer to your child. 1224 01:05:55.920 --> 01:06:00.559 No more change, no more feeling. Your voice is calling. 1225 01:06:01.159 --> 01:06:05.599 Let it clean, break the sile, and let it rides. 1226 01:06:06.239 --> 01:06:09.159 Shout the name of Jesus. 1227 01:06:08.679 --> 01:06:12.440 To the sky on the shame. Now stand a scene 1228 01:06:13.480 --> 01:06:17.840 for the freed, the moment you can breathe or break 1229 01:06:17.880 --> 01:06:24.840 the silence, clean gospel to four ever more, which every 1230 01:06:25.199 --> 01:06:29.559 bread thou lift you. Lie, Jesus, You're the reason. 1231 01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:42.079 Why I was lost but now found in your look. 1232 01:06:43.159 --> 01:06:47.519 I run the sound every shame's breaking. 1233 01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:54.920 Down, Holy Spirit, show me how break the shad, break again, 1234 01:06:55.920 --> 01:06:58.119 break the silence, snap. 1235 01:07:00.800 --> 01:07:04.679 Our break for your name's sake, out. 1236 01:07:04.519 --> 01:07:19.039 Away, break the sign, and steady rise shout down Jesus. 1237 01:07:18.639 --> 01:07:23.480 Through the skies on a shame. Now steady save for 1238 01:07:23.719 --> 01:07:26.400 the breed of moment you can bring. 1239 01:07:27.360 --> 01:07:34.360 I'll break that silence, remodic gaspot you forever more with 1240 01:07:34.599 --> 01:07:35.840 every breath. 1241 01:07:35.719 --> 01:07:39.880 Out left your h chase the shallow reason why. 1242 01:07:47.840 --> 01:07:50.639 Break the silence? Herring the silence. 1243 01:07:51.960 --> 01:08:00.960 She's a shallow raising line, Oh Jesus, shallow reason lie. 1244 01:08:05.559 --> 01:08:06.440 The reason. 1245 01:08:18.760 --> 01:08:25.000 You're listening to the Fact Hunter Radio Network. Just the facts, ma'am,