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Speaker 1: Jez and welcome back folks. As we record today. It
Speaker 1: is Monday, July twenty first, twenty twenty five, and we
Speaker 1: have a great guest joining us from the other side
Speaker 1: of the plane today from Australia is Matrics.
Speaker 7: Matrics.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for taking the time out today to
Speaker 1: join us.
Speaker 8: Joe, It's pleasure to be here.
Speaker 7: Why don't you go help and introduce yourself to the audience.
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, yeah, I go buy Matris. My name, my
Speaker 8: name from my parents was Matthew, but I got into
Speaker 8: hip hop as a young person and there just saying
Speaker 8: to you off air, you change it to Matris with
Speaker 8: the double T. Everyone tries to say Matrix. The movie
Speaker 8: came out, it got confusing. I stuck with it, so
Speaker 8: I'm still Matrics. Yeah. I'm living in Australia. I grew
Speaker 8: up in Melbourne. During the COVID era, I moved out
Speaker 8: of Melbourn because it got too hectic and we had
Speaker 8: a small child when it all kicked off with my
Speaker 8: partner Rachel for fourteen years. We just got married about
Speaker 8: six or eight weeks ago.
Speaker 7: And congratulations.
Speaker 8: So yeah, thank you, thank you. It's one of those
Speaker 8: things we finally got there. Yeah, and we make music together.
Speaker 8: I make music with my partner. We're in a band
Speaker 8: together called Rachel by the Stream. And Yes, sent Georgia
Speaker 8: something to listen to to give them a bit of
Speaker 8: a heads up. Yeah, and I'm still still rapping along,
Speaker 8: less producing and releasing my own stuff, but a bit
Speaker 8: of stuff going on in the background. I have a
Speaker 8: music studio at home and that's my main kind of
Speaker 8: work that I do. So I do live sound on
Speaker 8: the weekends. I going to schools a bit, making songs
Speaker 8: in schools. I worked for about ten years doing music
Speaker 8: with people with the quiet brain injuries. And I've done
Speaker 8: sort of yoga, teach trainings and massage and so I've
Speaker 8: sort of come from the health background as well, but
Speaker 8: kept the music stuff going. And yeah, here I am
Speaker 8: at fifty, still ticking along with music and you know, loving,
Speaker 8: loving all the information about coming onto the geocentric Earth.
Speaker 8: It's been a massive revelation, and also loving the Bible.
Speaker 8: And you know that the geocentric Earth is what led me.
Speaker 8: You know, I already believed in God, but it wasn't
Speaker 8: the God of the Bible really, So it was the
Speaker 8: geocentric Earth that's led me to the Bible and Jesus
Speaker 8: Praise be ay Man. So yeah, there's a bit of
Speaker 8: a go anyway.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when I got your little questionnaire back, you've been
Speaker 1: awake for about ten years, and I think twenty fifteen
Speaker 1: was the big year on YouTube when flat Earth wasn't
Speaker 1: really that the algorithm wasn't controlled like it is today.
Speaker 1: If you go on YouTube and obviously try to find
Speaker 1: a video on flat Earth, you're going to get Nidograss
Speaker 1: Tyson debunking it, or that Professor Dave or things of
Speaker 1: that nature back then. But you know, as I continued
Speaker 1: to read your questionnaire, it all made sense that you
Speaker 1: were able to accept it so quickly. Just briefly, you'd
Speaker 1: mentioned that you were probably one of the few people,
Speaker 1: I mean, you're fifty so that you've been awake half
Speaker 1: your life because you said.
Speaker 7: That you were aware of nine to eleven.
Speaker 8: On the day it happened, I was like, I was
Speaker 8: actually recording in my friend's studio. I was laying down
Speaker 8: some wraps at the time, and my friend that had
Speaker 8: been over playing guitar. He called back and said, turn
Speaker 8: on the TV. And you know, so we watched it happening,
Speaker 8: and it just felt, it felt wrong. It felt it
Speaker 8: didn't feel you know, I knew there was something fishy.
Speaker 8: I didn't totally know everything about it obviously the time,
Speaker 8: and it was you know, I continue to study it
Speaker 8: for the next few years, and I guess these days
Speaker 8: I'm up to the I mean, I believe in the
Speaker 8: no playing kind of approach. I just think that most
Speaker 8: stuff that they give us is faith. You know, there's
Speaker 8: a great website, the Fakeologist. He's a flat earther as well. Yeah,
Speaker 8: and they have this approach called auto hoaxing. So you
Speaker 8: just your first approach is to believe that if it's
Speaker 8: on the media, then it's incorrect. And they set up too.
Speaker 8: You know, they give you the two options usually it's
Speaker 8: this or it's that, and they're both they're both untrue.
Speaker 8: So yeah, so I have known from then. You know,
Speaker 8: I've gone down all sorts of rabbit holes over that time,
Speaker 8: and I probably believe lots of stuff that were actual
Speaker 8: psy ops along the way. More being into sort of
Speaker 8: I guess through my approach was into more of a
Speaker 8: New Age mindset rather than a biblical mindset. So I
Speaker 8: think I was susceptible sorts, all sorts of tom foolery
Speaker 8: along the way, and you know, believe lots of different things.
Speaker 8: But I've definitely been down the rabbit hole, as we say,
Speaker 8: in this world for yeah, about twenty five years, I reckon. So, yeah,
Speaker 8: it's been a while of digging into it. Yeah, now
Speaker 8: ten years on the on the flat plane.
Speaker 1: How old were you when you first realized because even
Speaker 1: if you realized something was off with nine to eleven,
Speaker 1: was there something prior to that? When did you first
Speaker 1: realize that the world as it's presented to you is
Speaker 1: not as.
Speaker 8: Not quite as it seems exactly. I guess I was
Speaker 8: always looking into it. I was always a bit I mean,
Speaker 8: I went to a Catholic primary school, decided by grade
Speaker 8: four I didn't believe in God. Was, you know, terribly
Speaker 8: upset about all that, and when in a big process,
Speaker 8: I really just wanted to know who we were and
Speaker 8: why we were and if there was a God and
Speaker 8: all that sort of stuff. And I went to UNI
Speaker 8: with those those questions in mind, and I did a
Speaker 8: degree in philosophy and English arts degree but double major,
Speaker 8: and then on as in English, and so I got
Speaker 8: to do philosophy at YUNI and got to do you know,
Speaker 8: space time and cosmology and all this sort of stuff.
Speaker 8: And it was pretty much by the end of four
Speaker 8: years of UNI, I'd just come to the point of
Speaker 8: realizing that something's a bit different, you know, And I
Speaker 8: started getting into other information at that point. So I've
Speaker 8: guess we're talking nineteen ninety six or so at that point,
Speaker 8: So I guess I'm like twenty three or something like that,
Speaker 8: twenty four, and I started getting into sort of what's
Speaker 8: the guy's name. I read one book right at the
Speaker 8: end of UNI called From Atlantis to the Sphinx by
Speaker 8: Colin Wilson, so that kind of prehistory kind of idea,
Speaker 8: and then sort of Robert Baval and Graham Hancock that
Speaker 8: sort of information about like you know, the Sphinx and
Speaker 8: the Pyramids and Ryan's Belts and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 8: So that was one of the first kind of areas
Speaker 8: of like non mainstream information I started getting into. And
Speaker 8: from that I just continued on, you know, exploring all
Speaker 8: that sort of information.
Speaker 7: So I'm sorry, continue I thought you were done.
Speaker 8: Nah, yeah, now you go.
Speaker 1: I was just going to say I think we mentioned
Speaker 1: this briefly in the email, So you would have been
Speaker 1: probably in your early to mid twenties when the Port
Speaker 1: Arthur shooting happened. And that's something I think I touched
Speaker 1: on maybe six weeks ago on the other podcast, and
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people probably aren't aware of it,
Speaker 1: but there's something similar that happened to you know what
Speaker 1: we had here, and it was basically an event, a
Speaker 1: mass shooting that lasted like twenty four hours and covered
Speaker 1: several different crime scenes, but it was primarily responsible for
Speaker 1: Australia's Basically you just considered you know, their loss of
Speaker 1: us not that they ever had it, but most of
Speaker 1: their gun rights were taken away from that event.
Speaker 8: Totally. I had no idea of that at the time
Speaker 8: that it happened, to be honest, I was just a
Speaker 8: regular person. I mean, you know, I was aware of
Speaker 8: some things, but I was not aware of the degree
Speaker 8: of fakery in the media. And at the time I
Speaker 8: would have just believed it was a thing and not
Speaker 8: looked into it. But looking at it, you know, years
Speaker 8: after and in retrospect, there was just so much, so
Speaker 8: much fakeness and so much set up about it, and yeah,
Speaker 8: it was the time that they took all Australia's guns
Speaker 8: office and John Howard was the Prime Minister at the
Speaker 8: time in Australia, funny little fella that he.
Speaker 1: Was, and he had just it was a very short
Speaker 1: time between him winning and taken office in this event happening.
Speaker 8: Correct, Yeah, it was, it was, and there was all
Speaker 8: there was media all there ready in Tasmania for some
Speaker 8: other event. The exact details, but it was like so,
Speaker 8: and then the guy that actually apparently did the shootings,
Speaker 8: he was kind of a guy with a bit of
Speaker 8: a disability or something. Really, he wasn't like the full quid, correct.
Speaker 8: And but whoever did the shooting was a trained marksman
Speaker 8: that could you know, because he was just taking people out. Yeah, So,
Speaker 8: I mean, and now, you know, I guess, I guess
Speaker 8: a lot of the times these things are fake and
Speaker 8: people don't actually die and you don't. But I think
Speaker 8: that one was probably the probably people did, you know.
Speaker 8: I think they go both ways.
Speaker 7: I agreed. Yeah, And I love the term auto hoaxer.
Speaker 7: You know. I'm at that point too.
Speaker 1: I was a guest on a podcast today called The
Speaker 1: Courage Contagion and Okay, everything you know we were talking
Speaker 1: about the Trump assassination, and there is still people assassination
Speaker 1: and attempt I should say. But yeah, like me being
Speaker 1: in the military and being on details with security details
Speaker 1: and seeing you can go back and watch any other
Speaker 1: assassination attempt on the head of state, that person is
Speaker 1: swept out of there so quickly. They're not going to
Speaker 1: let them stand there and take a photo op under
Speaker 1: a flag. I mean, that goes against everything. Go back
Speaker 1: and watch the Reagan which is fake too, but watch
Speaker 1: how quickly they get.
Speaker 7: Them out of there.
Speaker 1: And yeah, remember Trump was actually in wrestling for many years, and.
Speaker 7: It's silly.
Speaker 8: That's just so fake. From like that one, I was
Speaker 8: just like, come on, everybody, you know, as soon as
Speaker 8: that happened, I'm like, it's not real. It's not real.
Speaker 8: And you know, I try to stay off Facebook and
Speaker 8: stay out of those fights, but you know, I had
Speaker 8: a little bit of a go chatting to people, and
Speaker 8: you know, people that are down the rabbit hole and
Speaker 8: do understand a lot of stuff still think that that's
Speaker 8: a real event. I'm like, it's just not. It's just
Speaker 8: so fake. It's so obviously fake. I've always thought Trump
Speaker 8: was a setup from the start, he some kind of
Speaker 8: I never I never took on board the idea that
Speaker 8: he could be some kind of good guy that could
Speaker 8: be like, you know, cleaning the swamp or draining the swamp,
Speaker 8: whatever he's supposed to do. I just couldn't. I just
Speaker 8: couldn't take it on.
Speaker 1: It's just like, nah, I wish I could say that,
Speaker 1: But they played us perfectly. They took the most evil,
Speaker 1: heinous woman in the world. Yeah, right, they set up
Speaker 1: this and so we had to get behind him, right
Speaker 1: otherwise we were doomed. And you know, he's going to
Speaker 1: come back. Yeah, that's what I say. You know, the
Speaker 1: creators of the matrix. Yeah, sometimes you got to tip
Speaker 1: your hat to them, just because we fall for it
Speaker 1: every single time, hook line and Sinker, whether it's that
Speaker 1: or COVID or they know how to play us.
Speaker 7: These people are very smart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they understand to hand it to the dock side
Speaker 1: for being organized exactly.
Speaker 8: And if it is Satan, if it is like you know,
Speaker 8: and he was living with God at some point before
Speaker 8: he rebelled, then obviously he knows people, and he knows
Speaker 8: this realm, and he knows a lot. So so.
Speaker 1: One you mentioned something, you know, we're talking about in
Speaker 1: your email some of the biblical aspects of things. You
Speaker 1: went into one of the serpent seed, and I was
Speaker 1: listening to a pastor on YouTube, but we could go
Speaker 1: and when we talk about seed war, we think of
Speaker 1: it as as a human right, the serpent seed, whether
Speaker 1: it's Cain, the nepheline, things of that nature.
Speaker 7: But he took it a step further.
Speaker 1: He said, if you think about it, God created everything,
Speaker 1: which includes the trees and the tomatoes, and all of
Speaker 1: those things come from seeds.
Speaker 7: And what are they doing?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 1: We always talk about m RNA and vaccines, but what
Speaker 1: are they doing with those seeds? They're they're modifying GMO,
Speaker 1: so they are literally trying to stamp out God's entire creation.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I think I take that on all
Speaker 8: of that on board as well, you know, all level
Speaker 8: of the seeds, but I do think it is the
Speaker 8: the angelic seed and the human seed, like the fallen
Speaker 8: angel seed. You know Gary Wayne's information. Have you got
Speaker 8: into him at all?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I interviewed him right before he released a second book.
Speaker 1: It's amazing because that's what really kind of took me
Speaker 1: into Enoch. I'm like, how did this guy write an
Speaker 1: eight one hundred and fifty page book on two verses, right, there.
Speaker 7: Were giants them, yeah, and then yeah.
Speaker 1: I really took the time to read the Book of
Speaker 1: Enoch and yeah.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 8: Yeah. So if that's where we're up to, I mean,
Speaker 8: I guess it makes more sense for people that because
Speaker 8: I didn't really understand the Bible. Like I'm late to
Speaker 8: the Bible, and I'm guilty of spending more time listening
Speaker 8: to people talk about the Bible than reading it myself.
Speaker 8: But I'm doing my best to get back in there.
Speaker 8: But you know, it doesn't make sense that God would
Speaker 8: wipe out all creation with a flood. I mean, it's
Speaker 8: hard to take on board. But if you understand that,
Speaker 8: it's like the fallen angels were mating with humans and
Speaker 8: all flesh was corrupt, yes, and these giants were cannibals
Speaker 8: and he got that crazy, then it all starts to
Speaker 8: make sense. And then the God of the Old Testament
Speaker 8: is a god of justice and mercy, not some terrible
Speaker 8: tyrant that people seem to you know, some New Age
Speaker 8: takes on the on God the you know, the Old
Speaker 8: Testament to try and set him up as you know,
Speaker 8: an evil person.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm glad you brought that up, because, pardon me.
Speaker 1: Somebody sent me an interview yesterday in email and he
Speaker 1: was a professional wrestler being interviewed and they asked him
Speaker 1: because I guess he was in a metal band before
Speaker 1: that too, and talking about God, and he said that
Speaker 1: if there is a God, then he's an evil god
Speaker 1: because how could he said, how could any God allow
Speaker 1: everything to go on that's happening in the world today?
Speaker 7: And that is a I.
Speaker 1: Can see how someone who hasn't spent much time could
Speaker 1: see it that way. But then you really have to
Speaker 1: understand free will. If God, if everything were to be perfect,
Speaker 1: he would have to control us.
Speaker 7: We wouldn't have You.
Speaker 1: Know, we're flawed, we're human, and the ways of the
Speaker 1: world right, God created them. And even within a matter
Speaker 1: of a very brief matter of time, he was doing
Speaker 1: something the one thing he was told not to do.
Speaker 7: That's that's the story of all of us. We're all flawed, right,
Speaker 7: and we're all full and yeah.
Speaker 1: All of us are. And only through the blood of
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ are we saved. And it's it saddens me
Speaker 1: to see somebody just on that, just to see things
Speaker 1: only on the surface, not to take the time to
Speaker 1: think things out.
Speaker 7: Just uh.
Speaker 1: And I understand a lot of people who think that
Speaker 1: way may have had something, maybe they lost a parent
Speaker 1: at a young age or they experience and they say,
Speaker 1: how can there be a God and not actually sit
Speaker 1: down to understand that the true meaning of free will?
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely, I'm totally with you there. And it's a
Speaker 8: shame because it is a common it's a common idea
Speaker 8: that you know, people don't come to God and don't
Speaker 8: come to the God of the Bible because of their
Speaker 8: own sort of trouble and pain and inability to go
Speaker 8: a little bit taper that I was guilty of that,
Speaker 8: And you know, I guess we're just going to hold
Speaker 8: space for as many people to come to Jesus as
Speaker 8: they can.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 8: That's why all this information is important. Like I was
Speaker 8: listened to somebody recently saying, you know, people say it's
Speaker 8: not a part of me, not a salvation issue, but
Speaker 8: then it's like, who's salvation that we're talking about. It's like,
Speaker 8: my salvation came through flat Earth, you know, and that's
Speaker 8: what led me along the way. So anything that's in
Speaker 8: the Bible is important. And if Satan is taking the
Speaker 8: time to deceive us with a different view of the world.
Speaker 8: He's set up this globe, he needs full and angel
Speaker 8: crew or however it rolls. Then it's obviously important for
Speaker 8: us to know what the true Earth is, and I
Speaker 8: think we're still working that out. And even like I've
Speaker 8: been sort of guilty of just going for the for
Speaker 8: the snow globe option, you know, the dime over the top,
Speaker 8: but I think it's possible that that is also part
Speaker 8: of the high Galien dialectic, dialectic of setting us up
Speaker 8: for failure, and it's something a bit more supernatural than that,
Speaker 8: because not everything makes sense in that conception as well.
Speaker 8: So I mean the globe is the first big lie,
Speaker 8: but maybe the second big lie is the snow globe version,
Speaker 8: which I've been going for a bit. But I've been
Speaker 8: listening to Vinnie B a bit lately. Do you know
Speaker 8: if you heard Vinnie B. I don't think he's got
Speaker 8: a YouTube channel, and he's interviewed a bit, but he
Speaker 8: reminded me he's following another guy who I remember seeing
Speaker 8: his conception in the early days of Flat Earth and
Speaker 8: then sort of forgetting all about it. But it's kind
Speaker 8: of square Earth. I can't say that I totally understand it. Yeah,
Speaker 8: but it's more of a supernatural idea and things coming
Speaker 8: in and out of this plane of existence, and it's
Speaker 8: sort of my next thing that I want to go
Speaker 8: deeper into understanding. But Vinnie B has a great YouTube
Speaker 8: about and he sets it up from a military perspective
Speaker 8: to begin with, showing the gridded map of the squares
Speaker 8: of how you do your coordinates and stuff, and then
Speaker 8: he takes that on and takes that into the flat
Speaker 8: earth idea. So I can send that to you at
Speaker 8: the end if you can't can't find it.
Speaker 7: But is that Vinnie B planting seeds?
Speaker 8: Vinnie Bee planting seeds. That's the guy.
Speaker 7: Gotcha.
Speaker 8: I found him, and he's been he's been trying to
Speaker 8: talk to everybody like flat Earth Dave and other people
Speaker 8: like that, and the whole and the whole jourinism thing,
Speaker 8: because I mean, I didn't follow that so closely about
Speaker 8: how they went to Antarctica and then stopped living in
Speaker 8: flat earth because the twenty four hour son, but because
Speaker 8: the twenty four hour son thing maybe doesn't work in
Speaker 8: the snow glode model or the globe model. So then
Speaker 8: maybe the model something else, because we know it's flat.
Speaker 8: It's certainly we know we're not on a ball. So yeah,
Speaker 8: that's a starting point. So but maybe it's maybe it's
Speaker 8: more mysterio. It's the most supernatural than the than the
Speaker 8: snow globe option as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I truly believe that there's some things our brain
Speaker 1: just can't comprehend. And man just says, you know, we can,
Speaker 1: We're going to figure everything out. This this is what
Speaker 1: it must be. But I truly believe we're not gonna
Speaker 1: know everything. And there's some things we can't even comprehend
Speaker 1: until we pass over to the other side, until we
Speaker 1: know walk through those pearly gates of heaven and then.
Speaker 1: But it's interesting when you listen to the Book of Enoch,
Speaker 1: he does speak of these caverns, and yeah, it is
Speaker 1: very interesting. And uh, you know, we we sometimes accuse
Speaker 1: people of picking and choosing. There's some interesting verses in
Speaker 1: I want to say it's Enoch thirty that lent to
Speaker 1: like hollow you know, the the hollow Worth term where
Speaker 1: there's things underneath and shiol and everything else. But the
Speaker 1: biggest thing is that we are not on a spinning ball.
Speaker 1: We're not hurtling through space. We're stationary. God created everything
Speaker 1: we're walking on, and evolution, heliocentrism and Big Bang, all
Speaker 1: of that is to trivialize God's work. And I actually
Speaker 1: I want to toot my own home horn for a second.
Speaker 1: I had a doctor's appointment this morning and the nurse
Speaker 1: was in there asking me questions and that he asked
Speaker 1: me what I did. I said, well, I'm kind of retired.
Speaker 1: I do this, I do that. And I said, but
Speaker 1: you know, I do podcasts. Oh what do you do?
Speaker 1: And he goes, you're not with them? But he goes,
Speaker 1: you're not with them flat Earth guys, are you? And
Speaker 1: he said that he said that poking at first, right,
Speaker 1: And then I started laying it down and he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I've heard some pretty compelling things about it. And
Speaker 1: so he was actually fronting like, you know, a silly
Speaker 1: flat author, But as soon as I said that, he
Speaker 1: was like, you could tell he's been at least paying attention.
Speaker 1: So this goes back to even though you may not
Speaker 1: consider when you talk to someone, they may not be
Speaker 1: an instant convert planning that sea going off a long way,
Speaker 1: Then when they hear it again I'm won't have bet
Speaker 1: that guy. Right now, it's seven thirty, almost Eastern Standard time.
Speaker 1: He's probably on his computer shaking his head, saying, oh man,
Speaker 1: my whole life has been a lie.
Speaker 8: He's having a bit of a look. He's probably finding
Speaker 8: your podcast.
Speaker 4: That's the guy.
Speaker 8: Well, let's hope. I mean, it is about planting seeds,
Speaker 8: isn't it? Is it difficult as the conversation is sometimes
Speaker 8: because you don't want to be a freak. You want
Speaker 8: people to think you're a weirdo. But I sort of
Speaker 8: get out there with it a bit and I don't
Speaker 8: go around just like all day every day, but you know,
Speaker 8: I do plant seeds. And my daughter's six years old,
Speaker 8: and I mean remember I think she was four and
Speaker 8: she was back in the back of the car and
Speaker 8: she said something like yeah, because we're not on a
Speaker 8: spinning ball. And she goes to the playground at school
Speaker 8: and she'll she'll say stuff to her mates, and her
Speaker 8: mates will be like, oh, yeah, but my dad showed
Speaker 8: me a picture of the Earth from space and blah
Speaker 8: blah blah. And then she comes home and we have
Speaker 8: the conversations and she's she's fully on board, and she
Speaker 8: knows you know, she knows there's no space. And we
Speaker 8: have the chat about dinosaurs, you know, dinosaurs being fake
Speaker 8: and because dinosaurs in space and the two. You know,
Speaker 8: you look at little especially little boys clothes, Yeah, it's
Speaker 8: it's dinosaurs in space. Dinosaurs in space. They just throw
Speaker 8: it at you and it's like every little T shirt
Speaker 8: or you know.
Speaker 1: Well, if you look at up, all the most popular
Speaker 1: movies throughout the last fifty years has been Star Wars,
Speaker 1: it's been Jurassic Park. Uh, it's been like Contagion Outbreak,
Speaker 1: all of these things that they're for entertainment and to
Speaker 1: pill for your pockets, but it's also psychological work programming.
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutally. When I love Star Trek, I loved Captain Picard.
Speaker 8: You know, I wanted to be Captain Picard. Look well,
Speaker 8: you know I you know, I watched it all the time,
Speaker 8: every week, and when I was at when I was
Speaker 8: at UNI, i did studied science fiction is one of
Speaker 8: the streams of literature, and I was all about space.
Speaker 8: You know, it was it was hot. It's hard to
Speaker 8: give up.
Speaker 7: That was the new generation, right.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it was the new generation, the one in the nineties. Yeah,
Speaker 8: that's it. And I was watching it every way. I'd
Speaker 8: go to hockey chining that I'd come home and I
Speaker 8: got to my friend's house and we would smoke cannabis
Speaker 8: and watch, you know, watch Star Trek and have a
Speaker 8: bull with what It was great.
Speaker 7: So you joined them in space, join the space.
Speaker 1: Yes, before we get into COVID, because obviously, with you
Speaker 1: being in music, live entertainment was probably a big source
Speaker 1: of your income and that got shut down. But before
Speaker 1: we actually get into that part. Yeah, the music industry.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever read the book Weird
Speaker 1: Scenes from the Laurel Canyon by Dave McGowan, and he
Speaker 1: talks about the sixties music movement and how all of
Speaker 1: the hippie groups from the sixties were from the same
Speaker 1: neighborhood and all of their parents were in the military
Speaker 1: industrial Yeah.
Speaker 8: I haven't read the book, but I've listened to podcast
Speaker 8: interviews with him and I'm kind of aware of a
Speaker 8: lot of that. So, yeah, that that was hard to
Speaker 8: take on board as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And with that being said, have you heard any
Speaker 1: stories or insight on.
Speaker 7: Your opinion of the music.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want you to, it's your industry,
Speaker 1: but I'm talking about the people at the tippy top
Speaker 1: and what they have to give up to get there.
Speaker 8: I mean, I do believe they to get to the
Speaker 8: tippy top, they have to do whatever they have to do,
Speaker 8: which is probably something not very nice. You know, when
Speaker 8: you hear the stories about Kanye, whether it was his
Speaker 8: mum that was sacrificed or not. I guess we don't
Speaker 8: know the truth of these things, but I do believe
Speaker 8: that anybody that has that level of his exposure and
Speaker 8: is you know, Katie Perry goes to Fake Space, like
Speaker 8: obviously she's an insider on a level. And I do
Speaker 8: think they're involved in like, you know, satanic stuff. And
Speaker 8: if you're on that level, and you know, I think
Speaker 8: there's different then there's different levels of it. But you know,
Speaker 8: some people can get some exposure and some you know,
Speaker 8: the music can still get out there to a degree
Speaker 8: without being involved in that. But I think it's quite difficult,
Speaker 8: and it's you know, I definitely believe that all that happens,
Speaker 8: and the most well known pop stars have have done
Speaker 8: what they've done, and it's not it's not a nice.
Speaker 7: Thing, agreed.
Speaker 1: Have you ever taken the time to look into Chris
Speaker 1: Cornell and Chester Bennington.
Speaker 8: Haven't gone deep on them.
Speaker 7: They I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 1: If if if you have the time down the road,
Speaker 1: look at Chester Bennington, who was the leader I think
Speaker 1: of Lincoln Park, Okay, and the guy who was the
Speaker 1: subject of the whole Pizzagate thing, Podesta, John Podesta, I
Speaker 1: think you know, yeah, yeah, there's so they knew each
Speaker 1: other growing up, like they were literally family friends. So
Speaker 1: there's a rumor that he's really his father. And if
Speaker 1: you look at the picture of them two side by side,
Speaker 1: if you just google Chester Bennington and John Podesta. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, there's something to it. And then Chris Cornell
Speaker 1: apparently they were working on a book or a movie
Speaker 1: or something about child trafficking because you know the whole
Speaker 1: Ajonal com and everything else, and you know, he they
Speaker 1: said he took his own life as well, and a
Speaker 1: lot of people said, it's just that, you know, and
Speaker 1: I get it, we all.
Speaker 8: Say, because he's going to reveal some information quite possible. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 8: it's probably it what a world we live in, Hey.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 1: And that goes back to auto Hoak, So you really
Speaker 1: do in this day and age, it's like having a
Speaker 1: friend that has lied to you time and time again.
Speaker 1: You have to just prove yourself when you tell me something.
Speaker 8: Now, Yeah, that's it. That's it. And I think auto
Speaker 8: hurtxing is the correct approach to the media. I'll give
Speaker 8: another shout out to the fake the Fake Ologist show.
Speaker 8: It's worth a listen guy from Australia that comes on
Speaker 8: it every Thursday called Frank the Salt Guy, and he's
Speaker 8: a Christian flat Earth who's also into the little season
Speaker 8: stuff and he does a great thing every week on
Speaker 8: The Phacologist. And I've got a good community, a good
Speaker 8: forum as well.
Speaker 1: I got the link in the show notes so everybody
Speaker 1: can check him out. It's a good fakeology is something
Speaker 1: a good website too. I think I've come across the
Speaker 1: Fakeologists before. I do have the link in the show notes.
Speaker 1: Everybody check them out. There's vaccine danger resources, yes, the numerology,
Speaker 1: which I talk about a lot on the other podcast,
Speaker 1: the NASA hopex a lot of great information on this website.
Speaker 8: Nine to eleven. The whole thing's there.
Speaker 7: Yep, yep.
Speaker 8: He's not a Christian, but he has lots of Christians on.
Speaker 7: Good and hopefully he'll come around obviously.
Speaker 8: Well that's the prayer. Absolutely, I'm still new to it,
Speaker 8: you know, I'm really we just got like, I believe
Speaker 8: in God for a long time, but as I say,
Speaker 8: not the God of the Bible. That's that's new to me.
Speaker 8: So I just got baptized on Good Friday this year.
Speaker 7: Actually, that's amazing my partner.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and that's I mean that and getting married was
Speaker 8: part of our you know, coming to God, coming to
Speaker 8: Jesus being you know, I still don't know about the
Speaker 8: term saved, but becoming saved or whatever what you know,
Speaker 8: being born again, whatever terminology we use around recognizing that
Speaker 8: the only way to the Father is through the sun.
Speaker 8: And yeah, we've come to that. So finally got in
Speaker 8: even found some church. Yeah, I never thought i'd go
Speaker 8: to church, but found a church that's a nice place
Speaker 8: to visit. And you know, they don't all believe everything
Speaker 8: that we're into, and you know, but said they're doing
Speaker 8: an amazing thing, and yeah, I still enjoy it.
Speaker 7: That's kind of good for me.
Speaker 1: Delvin to COVID and how that affected your life. And
Speaker 1: now at this at this point, you've already been kind
Speaker 1: of awake from twenty years. So I'm assuming that you
Speaker 1: kind of knew day one that it was what it was,
Speaker 1: So tell us a little bit about how it affected
Speaker 1: you and how you kind of navigated your way through it.
Speaker 8: I remember how a friend said to me, Oh, what
Speaker 8: do you have you heard about this COVID thing? What
Speaker 8: do you think of this COVID thing? And I'm like,
Speaker 8: it's a sip, it's a siop. From day one, I
Speaker 8: was just calling it out. I mean that same friend
Speaker 8: went and got you know, the MR and A and
Speaker 8: whatever you say, but me, But yeah, from day one,
Speaker 8: I knew that something was that it was, that it
Speaker 8: was not real, but I didn't know that viruses weren't
Speaker 8: real at that point. You know, there was a lot
Speaker 8: of learning through the process. I mean I knew that
Speaker 8: I knew that it was fake, and I knew everything
Speaker 8: that happened that I was living in Brunswick East, in
Speaker 8: the middle of Melbourne City, so close to the city.
Speaker 8: Our daughter had just turned one, and we were in
Speaker 8: a block of flats, second second flat up, and we'd
Speaker 8: already had a really interesting time because we didn't do
Speaker 8: the childhood immunization schedule with our daughter, so we were
Speaker 8: already sort of fighting with family about that and already
Speaker 8: sort of you know, in a massive process, and she
Speaker 8: turned one and then the COVID thing kicked off, so
Speaker 8: then that process just sort of continued on. And you know,
Speaker 8: we had a nice little life, nice little community close
Speaker 8: to Melbourne, close to Parklands. We had a music studio
Speaker 8: in the in a warehouse nearby, and yeah, we liked
Speaker 8: our little life there. And then we were starting to
Speaker 8: do up our flat. And then six months into it,
Speaker 8: you know, we realized we're doing it up to sell
Speaker 8: and we had to had to get out of Melbourne.
Speaker 8: So we weren't We weren't wearing we weren't wearing masks,
Speaker 8: we weren't social distancing, we weren't doing any of that,
Speaker 8: and so you know, we were the odd ones out.
Speaker 8: We were the only ones in that block a flat.
Speaker 8: I just I remember the day that Annabelle and my
Speaker 8: little daughter with her hands up in the air, going
Speaker 8: to give another bigger kid a cuddle because everyone was
Speaker 8: always wanting to cuddle her, like she's just up like that.
Speaker 8: And then the other girl who's like five or six
Speaker 8: or something, she looked to her dad. The dad shakes
Speaker 8: his head no, and there's Annabelle left with her hands
Speaker 8: in the air, and that's like one of like a
Speaker 8: number of stories that I could just you know, the
Speaker 8: playgrounds were roped off. You know. I remember some other
Speaker 8: kid playing on the same piece of equipment and her
Speaker 8: parents come over and quit me sanitizing her hands, and
Speaker 8: you know, we just weren't into it, and so we were.
Speaker 8: You know, I was working mostly as a music therapist,
Speaker 8: although I hadn't trained in that. I just sort of
Speaker 8: fell into doing that. So obviously then I wasn't able
Speaker 8: to go and see all my clients and stuff. So
Speaker 8: we would be and we weren't. You're only allowed out
Speaker 8: for an hour a day in Melbourne, and we weren't
Speaker 8: doing that at all. But we would just go to
Speaker 8: the park. We would take a stereo, we'd run tunes,
Speaker 8: blow bubbles where we're doing bubbles, and my partner does
Speaker 8: like hall of hooping and stuff, so we had haul
Speaker 8: of hoops, bubbles, tunes and we would just have our
Speaker 8: own little party sort of wherever we were. But we'd
Speaker 8: have to sort of sometimes go to parks that weren't
Speaker 8: near where we lived so that we wouldn't cop it
Speaker 8: from the people that we knew.
Speaker 7: A lot of Tattletales.
Speaker 8: In that timeframe, Tattletales was crazy, was crazy. You know,
Speaker 8: no one wanted to visit you and we're the one
Speaker 8: year old and all of a sudden, you know, Grandma's
Speaker 8: not coming over, and you know, you know, how to
Speaker 8: play with our little kids. And then we cottoned onto
Speaker 8: the idea that the golf course, which is just over
Speaker 8: the creek from where we lived, was shut down. No
Speaker 8: one's playing golf, and so people like us, we're going
Speaker 8: to the golf course and just hanging out and just
Speaker 8: acting like acting like nothing was wrong. Over the creek
Speaker 8: from us, you're looking over and you've seeing people with masks,
Speaker 8: walks walking along, social distancing. But in the golf course,
Speaker 8: everyone was like partying on running tunes, dancing around, throwing frisbees.
Speaker 8: You know, there wasn't heaps of us, but we were
Speaker 8: doing it there. And also at Series, which was a
Speaker 8: local kind of environment center, so a little group of
Speaker 8: us would go and hang out there with other kids.
Speaker 8: And yeah, so it was it was very traumatizing. It
Speaker 8: was really full on. Even though we kind of knew
Speaker 8: it was like a hoax and it was all crazy.
Speaker 8: You sort of didn't know how long it was going
Speaker 8: to go for we bought plane tickets twice to leave
Speaker 8: Melbourne to try and find somewhere else to live. Both
Speaker 8: times the lockdowns happened again and we ended up being
Speaker 8: able to seal our little flat, and then we bought
Speaker 8: a townhouse just north of Byron Bay without being able
Speaker 8: to see it because we had to we couldn't actually go,
Speaker 8: so we were we bought it from out of town
Speaker 8: and so a year after being locked up and doing
Speaker 8: all that, we made it out and we got to
Speaker 8: just north of Byron Bay, which is where people were
Speaker 8: a bit more conscious and a bit more open about it.
Speaker 8: But then once we got there New South Wales that
Speaker 8: have kicked into lockdowns a bit more than what they'd
Speaker 8: done previously, and then all of a sudden we're locked
Speaker 8: out of the supermarkets and the pubs and old ladies
Speaker 8: with masks to trying to talk to my daughter. And
Speaker 8: so then we were there for a year and then
Speaker 8: we got out of there as well, and then we've
Speaker 8: come to this place called Yukai, which is inland about
Speaker 8: you know, thirty five forty minutes. So we were kind
Speaker 8: of on the felt like we were on the run
Speaker 8: from the New world order kind of thing.
Speaker 1: You know, if you told me that story and say
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight and we turned that into a movie,
Speaker 1: people would be like, you know, the reviewers, this dystopian
Speaker 1: futuristic movie. How a pandemic and this and that and
Speaker 1: you're trying to escape and tyranny. But we literally lived
Speaker 1: through that, And twenty five years from now when you're
Speaker 1: you're grand and children are on your lap and you're
Speaker 1: going to tell them that the story of how you
Speaker 1: escaped Melbourne and you were only allowed outside for one
Speaker 1: hour a day and it's.
Speaker 8: Just Kirk, what's going on? Helicopters overhead, you know, one
Speaker 8: army personnel and one police officer together knocking on your
Speaker 8: door to make sure you weren't you know, you were
Speaker 8: at home with the right amount of people or you know,
Speaker 8: and during all that time, they're instilled all the five
Speaker 8: J towers.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, well hand right where it's supposedly started.
Speaker 1: I do air quotes for those at home. Five G
Speaker 1: was introduced November the first, twenty nineteen.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and will Han China Bam, Yep, there it is.
Speaker 1: And if you go back to history, every time there's
Speaker 1: been a significant upgrade and technology with radio waves, there's
Speaker 1: been some type of sickness amongst the population.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think so, you know, our bodies have got
Speaker 8: to acclimatize to this and people get unwell, and yeah,
Speaker 8: it seems to be that's the way.
Speaker 1: Hey, that was That was phase one, and then phase
Speaker 1: two kicks off in warp speed record time. Nine months,
Speaker 1: We've created an answer to our problems. So obviously even
Speaker 1: a bigger alarm went off in your head.
Speaker 8: I'm guessing yeah, for sure. I mean I was saying
Speaker 8: to people, you know, because as obvious, at a certain point,
Speaker 8: this you know, inverted commas vaccine has come and you
Speaker 8: need to take it to keep your job. And when
Speaker 8: I first started saying that to people, you know, they
Speaker 8: think you're crazy. And then and then nobody's nobody says
Speaker 8: anything afterwards. You never had anybody come back to you
Speaker 8: and say, oh, gee, yeah you were right, it was
Speaker 8: a bit crazy or anything like that. So yeah, we
Speaker 8: were just obviously never going to take it. People that
Speaker 8: have taken it that I know have got ill from it.
Speaker 8: I haven't anybody nobody that I know directly has died,
Speaker 8: but pick friends of other people I know who's died
Speaker 8: from taking it, but I know people that have had
Speaker 8: being to hospital from taking it and had heart issues
Speaker 8: and all that sort of stuff, and so yeah, I
Speaker 8: do think it is a bio weapon. I mean, obviously
Speaker 8: not everybody's died from it, some people have. It's it's
Speaker 8: definitely it's hard to know the exact agenda, but it
Speaker 8: can be some part of preparing preparing our biology for
Speaker 8: whatever they going to roll out next, or you know,
Speaker 8: not that you want to be in a fear campaign
Speaker 8: of what they're doing next, because God is good, and
Speaker 8: you know that's to be aware.
Speaker 7: Because they win if you live in fear, they win
Speaker 7: just by living.
Speaker 8: That's it. That's it. That's it.
Speaker 1: And that's also when I started deep diving because I
Speaker 1: always was, you know what, that guy's been to college
Speaker 1: for six years. Why should I even bother looking into
Speaker 1: these things? If I'm told to get this, then you
Speaker 1: know they start well anti vaxxer. But once once you
Speaker 1: come to realize flat earth, and we'll start segueingto that,
Speaker 1: you realize if they can lie about that, then everything
Speaker 1: auto hoax or mentality. And then I started I start
Speaker 1: reading books The Poison Needle from eleanor McBean from nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty seven, A Century of Vaccination and what it teaches
Speaker 1: written in eighteen ninety eight. Then you see all of
Speaker 1: these uprisings in England and in the eighteen hundreds, and
Speaker 1: this is nothing new. People have been standing up against
Speaker 1: vaccines for two hundred years.
Speaker 8: Yeah, absolutely absolutely, and it gets swept under the rug.
Speaker 8: I guess a couple of a couple of world wars
Speaker 8: to wipe out collective you know, memories and very set things.
Speaker 1: And anytime that there has and I've studied history so much,
Speaker 1: like in the seventeen fifties there was a great awakening
Speaker 1: spiritually in America and that got hijacked by a revolutionary war,
Speaker 1: and then there was another one in the early nineteen
Speaker 1: hundreds that got hijacked. And it seems like every time
Speaker 1: that there is a spiritual awakening, they use one of
Speaker 1: their magic potions, whether it's war or famine because they
Speaker 1: do control the weather or or this, you know, pandemics.
Speaker 1: They will do their best to do a virtue attention
Speaker 1: from God.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Like we were saying earlier on, they're
Speaker 8: very good at what they do.
Speaker 1: And when you were introduced, I guess what was the
Speaker 1: first thing that even got your attention about flat Earth.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so I was thinking that I was the smart guy,
Speaker 8: this the conspiracy guy who knew all the stuff. And
Speaker 8: I had a friend, a younger friend called Adam, and
Speaker 8: Adam started telling me about it, and I just thought
Speaker 8: that he'd smoked too much weed, gone too far and
Speaker 8: he was just getting a bit, you know, and sort
Speaker 8: of lost it a bit. And then I, you know,
Speaker 8: he kept talking about it, and so then I started
Speaker 8: looking into it a little bit, and then it was
Speaker 8: that you know, I think he told me probably late
Speaker 8: twenty fourteen, and then twenty fifteen, like we were talking before,
Speaker 8: was that big wave and YouTube was open at that point,
Speaker 8: so I started I started looking into it, you know,
Speaker 8: with the idea that you're thinking in five or ten
Speaker 8: minutes you're going to be able to debunk it, and
Speaker 8: then you end up totally fascinated. And my partner went
Speaker 8: back to England for a month and I just consumed
Speaker 8: everything that I could find on the topic. Mark Sergeant's
Speaker 8: Flat Earth Files was one of the big ones at
Speaker 8: the time, Like I watched that a few times. Then
Speaker 8: obviously you know Eric Debay and everything that was out
Speaker 8: at the time. Flat Earth Dave everything. I just watched it.
Speaker 8: I just went hard, and I just just got to
Speaker 8: that point and just like I can't, I can't deny this.
Speaker 8: I can't deny this, you know. And then you know,
Speaker 8: I'd go down to the beach or something like that
Speaker 8: and just look look at the horizon, and you know,
Speaker 8: then you go on a plane a bit later, and
Speaker 8: then you're like, you're looking at the plane.
Speaker 7: And.
Speaker 8: You know, there was a lot of me trying to
Speaker 8: resist it. But the more I looked at the information
Speaker 8: and the more I just tried to trust my own
Speaker 8: eyes over what I'd been told, I just slowly but
Speaker 8: surely came to it, and probably still for the first
Speaker 8: six months to a year was still into it, but
Speaker 8: a little bit wobbly, you know. But after a year
Speaker 8: or so, I've been just like totally clear and unshakable,
Speaker 8: and you know, every now and then I'll you know,
Speaker 8: I'll tell people about it and share with some friends
Speaker 8: and stuff. So, yeah, it was was my friend Adam,
Speaker 8: So props to Adam for putting me onto it, and
Speaker 8: then and then the YouTube algorithms and it all being
Speaker 8: open at that point. And another friend reminded me afterwards
Speaker 8: about that thing I said, I think Adam's gone crazy.
Speaker 8: And then I told him about the flat Earth and
Speaker 8: he looked into it. He didn't quite take it on board,
Speaker 8: but he was sort of open to it. But it
Speaker 8: was funny looking back and remembering that, I, you know,
Speaker 8: I thought he'd gone I thought he'd lost it when
Speaker 8: I first he talken about it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and that is the general reaction.
Speaker 1: But again, once I think most of us go into debunket, right,
Speaker 1: that's just silly. But once you start well, this is
Speaker 1: a lie, this is lie.
Speaker 7: Let me just look into it, and then yeah, you know, whether.
Speaker 1: It's curvature or just thinking gravity in itself, all these
Speaker 1: things are just theories.
Speaker 7: Then you start to look at.
Speaker 1: The numbers and then why am I believing something that
Speaker 1: someone told me versus what I'm experiencing? That that is,
Speaker 1: people are living and I was there too. I'm not,
Speaker 1: but we're under such a spell. And that's when they
Speaker 1: talk about bab breaking the matrix. Yes, literally, that's that's
Speaker 1: what you really have to do. You have to unlearn
Speaker 1: a lot of the stuff that you were programmed, like,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, control all delete, reboot, ye, understand
Speaker 1: who is the prince of this world? And understand that
Speaker 1: he can't create anything, So what does he do? He
Speaker 1: deceives and all around everything. Yeah, money's deception. Money's not
Speaker 1: real that this earth that God made for us, it
Speaker 1: doesn't belong to the government, right They they like, we
Speaker 1: have to ask permission for everything. Got created this for us,
Speaker 1: not not for Trump, not for a Biden, not for.
Speaker 7: An Obama, not for a Bush. It's for all of us.
Speaker 7: But we get so.
Speaker 1: Brainwashed, and you know, we get in, we buy into
Speaker 1: the right versus left paradigm.
Speaker 7: We choose a team, whether.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, whether it's sports or politics, or mask or
Speaker 1: no mass vaccine or no vaccine.
Speaker 7: We have to stop taking.
Speaker 1: The bait and come together to to fight a bigger
Speaker 1: spiritual war.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and that's where I think, you know, Jesus does
Speaker 8: come into it because I was I was oppositional, like
Speaker 8: I was like I wasn't wearing the mask, and you know,
Speaker 8: I was judgmental of people that were. And and I
Speaker 8: think when you take the next step of being being
Speaker 8: saved by Christ and you're you're not going to be
Speaker 8: judging people as much and you can be in a
Speaker 8: better heart space with with people, and yeah, step away
Speaker 8: from the division of being into that this or that,
Speaker 8: even if you're the right on the right team of like, yeah,
Speaker 8: of course it's not right to wear a mask. But
Speaker 8: if you are going into that world of as you say,
Speaker 8: division left versus right, then yeah, you've fallen through the trap.
Speaker 8: You've done it. You've gone into it, and you know,
Speaker 8: the deceiver wins. And and here we.
Speaker 1: Are in your six silver bullets, if you will, what
Speaker 1: are the most what were the most convenced?
Speaker 8: Wrote them out. Actually I was ready for the six
Speaker 8: silver bullets. Turvature has to be number one, And that
Speaker 8: was the big one that got me at the time.
Speaker 8: I just think, you know, we all looked at the
Speaker 8: curvature maths, and you know, what is it over ten
Speaker 8: k's it's seven point eight five meters over one thousand
Speaker 8: k's you're up to you know, seventy eight kilometers or something. Well,
Speaker 8: it's just it's just not there. The curvature is. You know,
Speaker 8: it's not there. So our eyes don't deceive us. You
Speaker 8: look through your binoculars, you look through your phone, you
Speaker 8: look through your fancy camera. So number one has to
Speaker 8: be curvature. That's always one that I use with people
Speaker 8: when I'm talking about I'm just say, you know, we're
Speaker 8: not on a ball because there is no curvature. It's
Speaker 8: just not there. And then two has to be the spin.
Speaker 8: You know, we're not spinning at six hundred kilometers an
Speaker 8: hour or thirty kilometers a second. I mean, if you've
Speaker 8: been on a plane, or if you've done anything, or
Speaker 8: anyone that's done anything with engineering or anything, it's just
Speaker 8: the spin's not there. So I go number one, curvature,
Speaker 8: number two, spin, number three the behavior of water, because
Speaker 8: water always finds its level. You know, we've all had
Speaker 8: these conversations and understandings, but that's the order I put
Speaker 8: them in. Three is the water. Four is the sun?
Speaker 8: Is the sun? You know the sun is they say
Speaker 8: it's ninety three million miles away. It seems very local.
Speaker 8: We have corpuscular rays, God's rays, the clouds go in
Speaker 8: front of the sun. Oh it's not there, you know,
Speaker 8: it's like so that seems to be so obvious as well,
Speaker 8: if we believe our eyes, so before would be the
Speaker 8: local sun. Another one that I thought was the moonlight
Speaker 8: was a good one as number five, because you can
Speaker 8: measure moonlight as cool. Therefore it doesn't fit into the
Speaker 8: heliocentric model as reflecting sunlight. So I think that's a
Speaker 8: really good proof because that's measurable and there, and then
Speaker 8: I put it as six. And even though it's not
Speaker 8: the last one, I've put it there in order because
Speaker 8: I think they all work with you believe in God
Speaker 8: or Jesus or anything like, they're all they're there. And
Speaker 8: then six I would put as the Biblical account of creation,
Speaker 8: so you know, Genesis is there if there's an intelligent,
Speaker 8: purposeful creator that's made this earth, not millions of planets,
Speaker 8: and it's made people in his image that you know,
Speaker 8: we're not evolved from monkeys. He's created a plantings life
Speaker 8: ever after in his kingdom. So I think even though
Speaker 8: the Bible is not the last in importance, you know
Speaker 8: that's that's my number six.
Speaker 1: Those are all outstanding. And I will tell you you know,
Speaker 1: I've been a flat earth or biblical cosmologist, whatever you
Speaker 1: would you'd like to tag it for five years now,
Speaker 1: and I will tell you that the longer that I
Speaker 1: think about it, I think every year that goes by,
Speaker 1: I think water tippy toes closer to the top of
Speaker 1: that list, just because I mean, nobody can replicate water
Speaker 1: sticking to a ball. And you know, growing up, I
Speaker 1: was a carpenter. I was I laid bricks and locks
Speaker 1: and the tool that I used the most when I
Speaker 1: was doing that was a level.
Speaker 7: And yeah, it's water.
Speaker 1: With a bubble, very very very simple tool and it
Speaker 1: explains everything. We're even a plumb bob. But and I
Speaker 1: know this, you can't really answer this question even though
Speaker 1: we were all there first. I want to ask you,
Speaker 1: why is it so hard to including ourselves?
Speaker 7: It took us many years.
Speaker 1: Why is it so hard to tear down that wall
Speaker 1: and accept something on the level? And Mom, Dad, if
Speaker 1: you have children in the car, fast forward ten seconds,
Speaker 1: why are we so easy to believe something that is
Speaker 1: really on level with something as funny as Santa Claus,
Speaker 1: Like really the spinning ball in Santa Claus. They're both
Speaker 1: the same level of tails, but one when we get older,
Speaker 1: we're like, hah, that didn't really happen, But we're still
Speaker 1: really spinning on a ball.
Speaker 8: And still everybody still wants to do Christmas, don't they
Speaker 8: and do the same thing and wrap the presence under
Speaker 8: the tree. That's a big one in our house because
Speaker 8: I've always been not wanting to tell our daughter that
Speaker 8: even though my partner's on board with you know, all
Speaker 8: this stuff, but still loves the magic of the Christmas tree,
Speaker 8: I'm trying to be relaxed about it. Yeah. I think
Speaker 8: it's just the collective like when you're in a I mean,
Speaker 8: as you say, there's no there's no answer, but it's
Speaker 8: a collective thought program that everybody's all in together. So
Speaker 8: to break out of that, you're you're the odd one out.
Speaker 8: Then you become different, you become not accepted, and you
Speaker 8: want to fit in. You want to be part of society.
Speaker 8: You want to have a job, you want to have
Speaker 8: a house, you want to have a nice car, you
Speaker 8: want to be able to live a nice life and
Speaker 8: do all these things. So I think coming out of
Speaker 8: you know, coming out of mainstream society is I guess
Speaker 8: it's like being a Christian back in the day when
Speaker 8: when the Romans were trying to like, you know, feed
Speaker 8: them to the lions'. You become he becomes something other,
Speaker 8: and it's not comfortable. It's not comfortable for people.
Speaker 1: And the Bible is very clear that if you know
Speaker 1: you follow Christ, you're going to be persecuted. And that
Speaker 1: is the reflection of our world. If you stood against COVID,
Speaker 1: if you stood against that evil, you were canceled.
Speaker 8: Right, Yeah, that's it. Jesus said they were going to
Speaker 8: be haters. That's the JT's T shirt. Yeah, do you do?
Speaker 8: You follow JT follows JC.
Speaker 7: I do.
Speaker 1: There's so many people, but obviously so much. Yeah, he's good.
Speaker 7: There's this.
Speaker 1: He was talked a lot about the little season flatter
Speaker 1: those type of things.
Speaker 8: Right, Yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean, I don't know
Speaker 8: how much when to go into it, because I know
Speaker 8: you've you've done a fair bit of it. But I'm
Speaker 8: totally into the little season thing. It makes total sense
Speaker 8: to me. And I think he had a great interview
Speaker 8: the guy Lewis earlier in the year. Yes, I think
Speaker 8: he did an excellent job of laying it all out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that is something that it's funny that is
Speaker 1: in the realm of topics. That is when I'll get
Speaker 1: emails on both sides of the fence, you know, Thursday morning,
Speaker 1: I'll get emails saying, of course matrix was one hundred
Speaker 1: percent spot on. And then I'm gonna get people that's unbiblical.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't how dare you? And you know, I understand
Speaker 1: everybody sees it differently, but going back to auto hoaxer
Speaker 1: and then my lunch break kind of convinced me that
Speaker 1: maybe there is a thousand year timeline that is unaccounted
Speaker 1: because the Dark Ages aren't really accounted for really well.
Speaker 1: And then fifteen hundreds is when they started recording more
Speaker 1: and Martin Luther and the Protestant movement, so I can
Speaker 1: understand the arguments on both sides.
Speaker 8: Yeah, definitely. And there is that stuff in you know, Matthew,
Speaker 8: especially Matthew twenty four I think in the Bible. And
Speaker 8: it is a guy called Bryan Gottawa. I don't know
Speaker 8: if you've come across him. He's written a book called
Speaker 8: Matthew twenty four Fulfilled. So let's say when he says, truly,
Speaker 8: I say to you, there are some standing here who
Speaker 8: will not taste death until they see the Son of
Speaker 8: Man coming in his kingdom. All that type of stuff.
Speaker 8: And then you know, just with the autohoax perspective, it's
Speaker 8: like I'm just going to think, of course Satan would
Speaker 8: deceive the timeline as well. He's you know, biblical cosmology,
Speaker 8: biblical timeline, biblical genealogy. They're like the Three areas for
Speaker 8: me now that I sort of identify and focus on.
Speaker 8: So think, you know, biblical cosmology, like where we are
Speaker 8: the earth, the biblical timeline, where where are we in
Speaker 8: the biblical timeline? And for me makes sense that that
Speaker 8: we're in the little Season, and that everything that happened
Speaker 8: was fulfilled, that Jesus did what he said he was
Speaker 8: going to do. And then the biblical genealogy, the idea
Speaker 8: that you know, angels fallen, angels mated with humans, and
Speaker 8: that whole thing. They're the kind of three things that
Speaker 8: kind of set me apart from what's mostly talked about
Speaker 8: in the church, but three areas that I think is
Speaker 8: are really important to look into.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I found the link. It appears it's only
Speaker 1: a kindle book, not a physical book.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think so. I tend to do the kindle
Speaker 8: thing because ordering books from the States, I tend to
Speaker 8: read them on the kindles. So yeah, it is it
Speaker 8: is just a kind of book. I think you're right.
Speaker 1: Nevertheless, I have the link in the show notes. If
Speaker 1: anybody's entry. It's a dollar ninety nine.
Speaker 8: Yeah, nice and cheap and a really good book. Yeah,
Speaker 8: there's lots of good books on the little Season.
Speaker 7: Actually, yeah, yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: It's like that ten year remark, because really, just within
Speaker 1: the last two years, I think this topic has become
Speaker 1: up there with you know, flatter with how it caught
Speaker 1: fire and went off and running.
Speaker 8: I think it's the next one that's like important, is
Speaker 8: equally as important as flat Earth. And you know a
Speaker 8: lot of Christians obviously will be to come to it
Speaker 8: because they're invested in the Second Coming idea, me coming
Speaker 8: late to the Bible and late to Christianity. I'm sort
Speaker 8: of I'm not saying I'm right, because I know I
Speaker 8: don't know the Bible as well as a lot of
Speaker 8: people that still believe in a second Coming. But I
Speaker 8: think I don't come to the Bible with a bias
Speaker 8: because I haven't been invested in it prior to this
Speaker 8: in my life. So yeah, I mean there's a lot
Speaker 8: of good people. Noel Joshua Hadley, he does a thing
Speaker 8: called the Unexpected Cosmology. I think he's excellent on The
Speaker 8: Little Season and the Flat Earth as well. Madeline who
Speaker 8: does the Leaving Babylon Channel, She's excellent on the Little
Speaker 8: Season and Flat Earther. Jason Jack He's an excellent flat earther,
Speaker 8: you know, Biblical cosmology, little season people. And then you've
Speaker 8: got the secular theorists like Professor Gunner Heinzen, who he's
Speaker 8: the one that talks about the thousand years taken from
Speaker 8: the timeline deception, but he's not a Christian, but he
Speaker 8: lays it out and Anatolely Foramenko is the other secular
Speaker 8: theorist that sort of supports the little season idea that
Speaker 8: the timeline deception has happened. I just chucked a few
Speaker 8: names out there from just some of the people that
Speaker 8: I've enjoyed that I think support the little season idea.
Speaker 8: Of course, I think the most important thing is to
Speaker 8: be to be humble and into Jesus and all of that,
Speaker 8: but I do think the little Season thing is worth
Speaker 8: people's time and energy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got Famenco's first because I think is it
Speaker 1: a five or seven series of books about the new chronology.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you've got the books.
Speaker 7: I got part one, okay, on you.
Speaker 8: I tend to be a bit of a just watching
Speaker 8: him online, but yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's I think he's eighty years old now or
Speaker 1: somewhere around there.
Speaker 7: He was born in the forties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's the Russian version of of a Baby Boomer
Speaker 1: basically at the end of the war. But if you
Speaker 1: try to get that whole series like the original eBay,
Speaker 1: it's a lot of money. But now I guess there
Speaker 1: was a reprint where they did I forget if it
Speaker 1: was section one or one through three. But yeah, my
Speaker 1: wife is so mad because every time I do an interview,
Speaker 1: I got to buy another book. Yeah, but you know,
Speaker 1: I tend to get the physical copies because I'm just
Speaker 1: afraid one day they're going to do a Fahrenheit four
Speaker 1: fifty one and just all the important.
Speaker 8: Thing if you can afford to that's brilliant, familiar with
Speaker 8: in a I'm just like every book that I want.
Speaker 8: I wouldn't got to buy all my plugins from my
Speaker 8: music studio.
Speaker 7: There you go, new samples coming out next week. Yeah,
Speaker 7: that's awesome. Yeah. Fimenco is a very interesting read. It
Speaker 7: really is.
Speaker 1: Somehow I find it. I found a digital intro to
Speaker 1: his book, the first one, and I read it like
Speaker 1: four times, and it's you know, man, Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: we're all seeking the truth and we all have different perspectives.
Speaker 1: But the thing you have to remember is, and a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't understand is everything is a lie, right,
Speaker 1: Everything is based on a lie. So I think, like
Speaker 1: going full circle back to flat earth. You know, maybe
Speaker 1: the firmament is an exactly snow globe, right, but we
Speaker 1: know the truth what they tell us is this fact
Speaker 1: is not. So we're just trying to make our way
Speaker 1: through a pack of lies to get some semblance.
Speaker 7: Of the truth.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's it. I Mit texted me last night who
Speaker 8: I said that I was we go into Catholic schools
Speaker 8: and do music together with kids, and I said I
Speaker 8: was going to come on this and he texted saying
Speaker 8: good luck, and I said thanks. I think the only
Speaker 8: thing I know is we're not on a globe and
Speaker 8: Jesus Christ is king.
Speaker 7: Amen, And that's it.
Speaker 8: Everything else is a beautiful puzzle to be looking into
Speaker 8: together with with kindness in our hearts. Really, I guess
Speaker 8: let's not fight over it.
Speaker 7: Amen.
Speaker 1: That's it's very simple that that's the two most important things.
Speaker 1: We're not on a spinning ball and Chris is king.
Speaker 1: All things are we just like you said, we get
Speaker 1: to the Father through the son and everything else. We
Speaker 1: can have kind discussions over and again. We're doing a
Speaker 1: lot of our research outside of the Bible. Everything else
Speaker 1: is biased and flawed.
Speaker 8: Absolutely absolutely. I'm glad I finally made it to that,
Speaker 8: to that understanding after fifty years on this plane.
Speaker 1: I'm thankful too, And I'm uh, you've brought so much
Speaker 1: to the program today. Was there any other bullets bullet
Speaker 1: points I should say that you we hadn't mentioned yet.
Speaker 8: No, that was you know, I was ready with my six.
Speaker 8: That were my six. I just really grateful for your
Speaker 8: online ministry that you're doing that, Like you've shared this
Speaker 8: with so many people. Understand how much time and energy
Speaker 8: it must take to put it out there, and that
Speaker 8: takes time away from your family and the rest of
Speaker 8: your life. So we all appreciate it. And I think
Speaker 8: for a while there there was a lot of flat
Speaker 8: Earth information around there, and then it was sort of
Speaker 8: drying up for a bit, and when you came in
Speaker 8: with your podcast, it was like a real fresh injection
Speaker 8: of good energy. And that the fact that you're just
Speaker 8: interviewing regular people like myself as well as people who've
Speaker 8: written books and have YouTube channels and stuff. I think
Speaker 8: it's amazing, and yeah, well done, George, thank you well.
Speaker 1: I appreciate it, and it's been an absolute pleasure, and
Speaker 1: I hope everybody, I hope you publish your songs soon.
Speaker 1: The Bioweapon Blues and the Truth.
Speaker 8: Speak very well, they'll come out. They'll come out. Yeah,
Speaker 8: just doing final touches on a few mixes and just
Speaker 8: making sure we're totally happy with Truth Seeker. That one's finished,
Speaker 8: ready to be released soon by Weapon Blues. I wrote
Speaker 8: that a couple of years ago, in the middle of
Speaker 8: it all, but still just doing a few tweaks to
Speaker 8: the mix. We'll probably put that out soon and more
Speaker 8: to com for sure.
Speaker 7: Is there a place where people can follow your music?
Speaker 8: Then my main thing is my partner, that's Rachel by
Speaker 8: the Stream. So that's just in all the you know,
Speaker 8: all the places that you find music. My matrix material,
Speaker 8: my oldest stuff. I'm not really promoting. I was into
Speaker 8: a bit of wacky stuff, rapping about the mind calendar
Speaker 8: and all sorts of things back then. My focus has
Speaker 8: shifted and I haven't released my own stuff for the
Speaker 8: last ten or fifteen years. But I have a sort
Speaker 8: of a backlog of material that I do agree with
Speaker 8: that I'll be releasing as the time comes forward. I guess. Yeah.
Speaker 8: M A double Triks is how I spelled matrics and
Speaker 8: that you know you'll be able to find more of
Speaker 8: my new music out there sometime soon.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. And I did find Rachel by the stream
Speaker 1: on Spotify. The first song is Lions Down.
Speaker 8: Yes, that's lines, Yes, that's us.
Speaker 1: Well done, so check it out, folks the links in
Speaker 1: the show notes check and find his music there. Thanks George,
Speaker 1: and thank you and thank you for your time and
Speaker 1: sharing your story like so many others have before us.
Speaker 1: God bless you and your family, and it was such
Speaker 1: a pleasure meeting you.
Speaker 8: You too, Judge, God bless you.
Speaker 1: Thank you, and to all the listeners, thank you for
Speaker 1: your continued support. Have a great weekend. Until we meet again,
Speaker 1: my friends, God bless you, and we will see.
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Speaker 4: the world's a roll alion shut it aast and by
Speaker 4: my soul, there's.
Speaker 3: A fire in the spirit and it's time to take control.
Speaker 3: I've been breathing, shouting in the fight.
Speaker 4: You wait of all the silence keeps.
Speaker 9: Me hiding from the line, But your truth is bene
Speaker 9: It's a.
Speaker 3: Flame that won't go loud.
Speaker 4: Jesus gave me courage.
Speaker 6: Let me show your own.
Speaker 4: Nor more change, nor more fear. Your voice is calling.
Speaker 4: Let clean, break the.
Speaker 6: Soun slead your eyes.
Speaker 3: Show the name of Jesus to the skies. Unshame thou
Speaker 3: standing sack.
Speaker 4: For the free.
Speaker 3: A moment you can bring or break the silence. Lead
Speaker 3: round the gasp of truth forever more. With every friend,
Speaker 3: I lift you high. Jesus, You're the reason why.
Speaker 4: Ain't no miss Minsky mad.
Speaker 3: Shining to steal my voice.
Speaker 4: Telling me my faith th just a weak and foolish choice.
Speaker 4: But I feel your spirit.
Speaker 3: Stevent deep within my phone.
Speaker 4: You're the rock I'm standing on.
Speaker 3: I'm never standing alone the world. They trying to drown
Speaker 3: me when it's chaos, saying it's noise, but your loves
Speaker 3: a holy thunder and it's breaking through the boy.
Speaker 4: I'm done with hesitation.
Speaker 6: I'm done.
Speaker 4: I'm playing small.
Speaker 9: Jesus showing my anthem, and I answer to your child.
Speaker 3: No more change, no more feeling. Your voice is calling.
Speaker 3: Let it clean, break the sile, and let it rides.
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Speaker 3: I run the sound every shame's breaking.
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Speaker 4: break the silence, snap.
Speaker 6: Our break for your name's sake, out.
Speaker 9: Away, break the sign, and steady rise shout down Jesus.
Speaker 4: Through the skies on a shame. Now steady save for
Speaker 4: the breed of moment you can bring.
Speaker 3: I'll break that silence, remodic gaspot you forever more with
Speaker 3: every breath.
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Speaker 6: The reason.
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