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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 1>KFI AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>And I got some bad news for Tula Sharp. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought I had converted him. I thought I had won

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<v Speaker 2>him over. I thought I had turned him into a

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<v Speaker 2>cruiser for life. And then there are a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>stories which came out which may give him some hesitation.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred and eighty people, maybe more, became sick from

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<v Speaker 2>salmonella on a Royal Caribbean cruise ship. That's important because

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<v Speaker 2>when Taula and I most recently went on a cruise

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<v Speaker 2>with a lot of friends and family, it was Royal

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<v Speaker 2>Caribbean Cruise Line, and Royal Caribbean is usually pretty good

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<v Speaker 2>about avoiding these things. What makes it worse is it

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<v Speaker 2>was on Radiance of the Seas, one of their premier

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<v Speaker 2>cruise ships. I've been on Radiance of the Sea, so

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<v Speaker 2>I'd know that ship particularly. And if you're wondering, like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>how many people are there, Well, they have more than

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand passengers. When you say two thousand passengers, they

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<v Speaker 2>probably have another two thousand crew members, so up to

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<v Speaker 2>four thousand people on the Radiance of the Sea ship.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred and eighty people reported being ill along with

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<v Speaker 2>three crew members. And I say this as someone who's

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<v Speaker 2>been on a lot of cruises. They're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you how many crew members got sick. They're not

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<v Speaker 2>that the one hundred and eighty that you know about

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<v Speaker 2>is because those are the one hundred and eighty people

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<v Speaker 2>who reported it, and they're willing to let that get out.

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<v Speaker 2>But the crew, they're not going to let them say

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<v Speaker 2>anything about their health status, not publicly, because well, let

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<v Speaker 2>me put it this way. If you've ever been on

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<v Speaker 2>a cruise ship, you know that the crew and the

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<v Speaker 2>passengers are all using the same stuff. You're encountering the

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<v Speaker 2>crew every single day. There is no feasible way that

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred and eighty passengers would get sick and only

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<v Speaker 2>three crew members. Think about that, the crew they're serving,

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<v Speaker 2>they're changing lit it in your rooms, they're cleaning the bathrooms.

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<v Speaker 3>All that only three crew members got sick.

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<v Speaker 2>But one hundred and eighty passengers who are coming in

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<v Speaker 2>direct contact with crew members and passengers all day long,

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<v Speaker 2>all night long. That's just a little bit behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's something else that I don't know if if

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<v Speaker 2>Twalla remembers this, but before he even got on the ship,

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<v Speaker 2>I said, Twalla, don't get on the elevators.

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<v Speaker 3>If you can.

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<v Speaker 2>And also when you use the stairs, do not use

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<v Speaker 2>the rails. The stairs are wide enough that they're each

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they're at the bow and stern of the ship,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're really wide, they're carpeted. You really don't need

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<v Speaker 2>to use the rails. It's not like you're going to fall.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not steep or anything. But don't put your.

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<v Speaker 3>Hands on the rails.

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<v Speaker 2>Why because everybody and their mama is putting their hands

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<v Speaker 2>on the rails.

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<v Speaker 3>There are other subtleties. When you go to.

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<v Speaker 2>What they call the wind jammer wind jammers the buffet

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<v Speaker 2>restaurant aboard Royal Caribbean. When you get like a cup

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<v Speaker 2>of water, you're not supposed to reuse that cup. You're

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to get a different cup each and every time.

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<v Speaker 2>And you will find that some people don't do that

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<v Speaker 2>and they'll share the cup with the family member or something.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's another way in which you'll have these outbreaks

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<v Speaker 2>on ships.

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<v Speaker 3>But I got to ask you to Wali, were you

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<v Speaker 3>worried at any time?

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<v Speaker 4>No, I was not worried at any time when we

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<v Speaker 4>went on the ship. Why Because I had a ship steward.

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<v Speaker 4>I had someone who was able to tell me, don't

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<v Speaker 4>you touch those rails when you're going to any of

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<v Speaker 4>those restaurants. You make sure you seventimee your hands, You

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<v Speaker 4>make sure you use utensils after you wipe them all.

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<v Speaker 4>I had hot water at the table. All of that.

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<v Speaker 4>I was not messing around. You would see people and

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<v Speaker 4>I would just look at them, like, look at your

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<v Speaker 4>sick ass. I'm staying away from you, staying away from

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<v Speaker 4>the pools all that, and in crowds, staying away from

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<v Speaker 4>being right tucked in with people. No, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 4>stay on the outside. I saw this story and I said, hmm,

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<v Speaker 4>they need to know, mo Kelly, that's what they needed.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder to alla, of these one hundred and eighty

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<v Speaker 2>people who reported being ill, how many of them got

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<v Speaker 2>into the pools of the jacuzzis. I really wonder, Oh yeah, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>how many of them were in the pools in the jacuzzie,

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<v Speaker 2>sharing drinks, not bathing before they got in, not even

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<v Speaker 2>bathing when they got out right, because you're okay, if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know you're supposed to bathe, there's a sign.

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<v Speaker 2>Espelically you're supposed to bathe before you get in the

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<v Speaker 2>jacuzzi of the pool. There's even a shower there that

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<v Speaker 2>you can do it, you know, but nobody ever does.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've been on six cruises. I have never been

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<v Speaker 2>in a jacuzzi. I've never been in the pool once.

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<v Speaker 2>That is by choic, not by chance. That is a

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<v Speaker 2>conscious decision on my part to limit the likelihood of

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<v Speaker 2>contract contracting something in that environment. Now, as far as

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<v Speaker 2>the rails, I don't touch the rails, I don't go

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<v Speaker 2>on many of the elevators because it's in a small,

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<v Speaker 2>enclosed space. Mark Ronner will never get him on a ship.

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<v Speaker 2>But oh well no, Look, Mark can get on a

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<v Speaker 2>ship if he pays attention to your rules. And there's

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<v Speaker 2>another thing what we've got to make sure we let

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<v Speaker 2>him know. Do not use the public restrooms. Go back

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<v Speaker 2>to your room. Go back to your room to use

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<v Speaker 2>the restroom. Yeah, that's another thing. Yeah, it's almost like

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<v Speaker 2>a hotel where you will find restrooms on the various floors.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, no, because you have hundreds of people conceivably

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<v Speaker 2>going through those restrooms before they're cleaned on a given day,

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<v Speaker 2>as opposed to in your cabin.

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<v Speaker 3>Where it's just you and whoever guess you have.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's some conscious decisions that you have to make

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<v Speaker 2>and you have to be aware of your behavior, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're far less likely to deal with something like this,

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<v Speaker 2>far less likely. But just know when they say that

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<v Speaker 2>only three crew members got sick, they're lying. You can't

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<v Speaker 2>have one hundred eighty passengers get sick and only three

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<v Speaker 2>crew members because one hundred eighty passengers are interacting.

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<v Speaker 3>With the crew.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the crew is not using different facilities. They're

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<v Speaker 2>not going in other words, they're not using different dining halls.

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<v Speaker 2>You remember Twala, You would see people who are they're

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<v Speaker 2>off time, they're downtime with working the crew. They're in

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<v Speaker 2>the wind jammer just like we are, using the same

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<v Speaker 2>utensils and everything. So they're using the same facilities that

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<v Speaker 2>we are. Only three people. No, you know what disgusted

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<v Speaker 2>me when you walk into the wind jammer. On both

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<v Speaker 2>sides and in the middle they have sinks and they

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<v Speaker 2>have someone there saying washy, washy. They're they're singing it

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<v Speaker 2>encouraging you to wash your hands. You're not supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>go into the cafeteria with your hands unclean. Coming from

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<v Speaker 2>outside this.

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<v Speaker 4>I would watch people go in there and I would

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<v Speaker 4>follow them to make sure I don't go to their side.

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<v Speaker 4>I immediately to the other side, like, don't go where

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<v Speaker 4>this filthy hand having individual is going.

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<v Speaker 3>Do not do that.

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<v Speaker 2>They try to shame you into washing your hands, and

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't feel bad about it because I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>better for everyone. Yep, because they're looking at you and say, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>wash your hands. No, they're telling you to wash your hands.

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<v Speaker 2>And prior to COVID, those washed stations did not even exist,

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<v Speaker 2>so I know that that is a direct result of COVID.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh really, Oh yeah, yeah, it was just no, those

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<v Speaker 2>wash stations did not exist. And now Royal Cribbean they're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to force you to wash your hands. And still

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<v Speaker 2>people would like get their ass on their shoulders and

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<v Speaker 2>get indignant st and just walk straight through. Or they'll

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<v Speaker 2>say I already washed them, Look wash them again so

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<v Speaker 2>everyone can feel better. Yeah, because it's buffet style and

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<v Speaker 2>the windjammer. Now they have formal dining where people can

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<v Speaker 2>go in and have a sit down former like formal

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<v Speaker 2>restaurant style serving of a meal, but when you just

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<v Speaker 2>want to be able to get something to eat and

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<v Speaker 2>tallow and me. We're like, I'm hungry. I'm hungry now.

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<v Speaker 2>I want a couple of hamburgers. I want to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to go back two and three times whatever. The

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<v Speaker 2>windjammer is great for that. But there are a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people in there, a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, And I can see how people would absolutely

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<v Speaker 4>get salmonella, especially from uncleaned services, because I actually watch

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<v Speaker 4>some people go to just sit down at a table,

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<v Speaker 4>no tray, just having their food out on the table

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<v Speaker 4>on a napkin or something like that. I'm like, you

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<v Speaker 4>don't know who was at that table before you. Your

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<v Speaker 4>food is just on a napkin.

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<v Speaker 3>I hear. Yeah gross. Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Not everyone is clean, and unfortunately sometimes we suffer because

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<v Speaker 2>of it. But I'm still going on cruises. I still am.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, absolutely. That's the one danger that I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to You know, it's not like jumping out of an

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<v Speaker 2>airplane with a parachute, but this is something I'll do.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of dangerous, but not real dangerous. Mark, are

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<v Speaker 2>you coming with us? I jump out of a plane first,

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<v Speaker 2>no contest. Well, there you have it.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on Demand from

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, I am a died in the wool

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<v Speaker 3>Rams fan.

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<v Speaker 2>The team's not doing great this season, it's not over,

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<v Speaker 2>but I live and die with my Rams.

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<v Speaker 3>So when I saw this story, it's like, oh, this

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<v Speaker 3>is interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you're into stats like I am, like fantasy football,

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<v Speaker 2>or being able to enjoy a game in a different

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<v Speaker 2>way or an enhanced way, you might be interested in this.

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Bronner wouldn't, but a Rams fan, a true Rams fan, might.

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<v Speaker 2>The Rams announced, No, it's true, you're not a sports guy,

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<v Speaker 2>so you may not enjoy this.

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<v Speaker 3>No. No, but I have other charming qualities. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 3>none which would apply here. That's all, now, please proceed.

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<v Speaker 2>The Rams announced the partnership with Genius Sports, which is

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<v Speaker 2>a data technology and broadcast company and it works in

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<v Speaker 2>conjunction with sports, betting and media industries. Now going forward,

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<v Speaker 2>at every Rams home game, fans can use the Genius

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<v Speaker 2>Sports data processing and AI tool, which they call Genius Iq,

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<v Speaker 2>to track everything from how fast a player is running

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<v Speaker 2>to how much time the quarterback has to throw. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's really really in the weeds, and you would have

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<v Speaker 2>to truly be a football fan to talk about time

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<v Speaker 2>before release or how fast running back may be running,

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<v Speaker 2>or a wide receiver yards after catch, all that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff. But if you like the kind of stuff

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<v Speaker 2>and I do, this might be kind of cool. After

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<v Speaker 2>they are analyzed by AI in real time, the highlights

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<v Speaker 2>and stats will be displayed on Sofi's Infinity screen.

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<v Speaker 3>And if you've ever been to SOFI Stadium, it's that.

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<v Speaker 2>Big halo ring, which is very similar to what they

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<v Speaker 2>just put in the end to it Dome in Inglewood.

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<v Speaker 2>It's this big halo's three sixty degree and it's both sides,

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<v Speaker 2>so there is media on both sides of this ring,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's viewable from anywhere in the stadium. And this

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<v Speaker 2>to the bathroom, come back, and pick up right where

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<v Speaker 2>That's part of the reason why you're seeing these types

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<v Speaker 2>It's another way in which people can enjoy live sports.

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<v Speaker 2>all these types of innovations, inclusive of AI with the RAMS,

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<v Speaker 2>because they need to make it more attractive to RAMS

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<v Speaker 2>fans like me. I live ten minutes at most from

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<v Speaker 2>to deal with parking?

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<v Speaker 3>Not me?

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<v Speaker 2>Who wants to deal with the insanity of crazy fans

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<v Speaker 2>Who wants to wait in line to get their food.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's a lot better now the lines are not

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<v Speaker 2>to be as convenient or as easy as just staying home.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know about you, and I love RAMS football,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's not better than me sitting on my couch

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<v Speaker 2>even with this. But I understand the reasons why you

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<v Speaker 2>have to enhance this experience, And I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>it would take to get someone else in Sofi Stadium.

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<v Speaker 2>But once you've gone, you know, that it's a commitment.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying it's a chore, but it asks a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of you from getting in the stadium. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's one hundred percent digital ticketing now, where you have

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<v Speaker 2>your ticket on your phone and you scan it like

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<v Speaker 2>a QR code and you get in the stadium. But

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<v Speaker 2>still it's a stadium, and it's not as comfortable as

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<v Speaker 2>what you have at home. And also, and I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think anyone on this show actually plays fantasy football with

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<v Speaker 2>the exception. To me, that is another pull away from

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<v Speaker 2>the end stadium experience. People are less now fans of

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<v Speaker 2>one team and more fans of players on their fantasy team.

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<v Speaker 2>They're either betting on the players they have them on

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<v Speaker 2>their fantasy team. They're more looking at the sport as

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<v Speaker 2>a whole, like the NFL Red Zone, where you'll watch

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<v Speaker 2>the scoring plays of all games across the league on

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<v Speaker 2>a given Sunday instead of watching one game between two

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<v Speaker 2>teams for three hours. These are the things that stadiums

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<v Speaker 2>have to somehow compete with and also overcome Genius sports.

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<v Speaker 2>Going back to the story, they've partnered with many other

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<v Speaker 2>sports leagues around the world to implement the same technology.

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<v Speaker 2>They've done this with English Premier League, NASCAR, the NC

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<v Speaker 2>is a general consensus that more needs to be done

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<v Speaker 2>to bring people to the stadium. For example, Mark, you're

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<v Speaker 2>not a football fan, are you?

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<v Speaker 3>Generally?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 3>But I take your point about being in the comfort

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<v Speaker 3>of your own home where you can sit and watch

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<v Speaker 3>a game in a neglige or a mumu or whatever

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<v Speaker 3>you wear and not have to worry. I just saw

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<v Speaker 2>Who wants to deal with that, right, who wants to?

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<v Speaker 2>I saw it was a Baltimore Ravens fan. He punched

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<v Speaker 2>out two Washington Commanders fans just onsite. He just he

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<v Speaker 2>But there's a happy ending to that story. They found

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<v Speaker 2>the guy, They fired the guy. He got fired from

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<v Speaker 2>his job, and the social media out at him. And

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<v Speaker 2>also he's their charge is pending against him. Just to

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<v Speaker 2>let you know, oh yeah, throw away the key. That's insane. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>over sports. But see that's another deterrent as far as

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<v Speaker 2>or disincentive to actually go now here's the correlation. We

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<v Speaker 2>talk about this all the time here on Later with

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<v Speaker 2>mo Kelly. It's not very different from the movie going experience.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe fewer fights, but there's more reasons to stay home

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<v Speaker 2>than it is to brave the elements, waste the gas

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<v Speaker 2>and the time, and also not everyone wants to put

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<v Speaker 2>up with other people. You know, the communal experience oftentimes

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<v Speaker 2>is overrated. I can watch a football game at home

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<v Speaker 2>and be just fine. I don't need another seventy thousand

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<v Speaker 2>people around me to enjoy it. I can watch a

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<v Speaker 2>movie at home. I don't need another three hundred people

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<v Speaker 2>around me to enjoy it. And so movie theaters, you actually,

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<v Speaker 2>even coffee shops, you know, any type of place where

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<v Speaker 2>people are going to congregate. They have to reinvent themselves

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<v Speaker 2>in a way to get people like you and me

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<v Speaker 2>off our asses and actually come to that location for

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<v Speaker 2>hours at a time and spend money. That is no

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<v Speaker 2>small undertaking, because being home is pretty damn good. It's

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<v Speaker 2>fun more times than not. I don't have to shower,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have to brush my teeth. Well, you buried

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<v Speaker 2>the lead there about the showering. I love the communal

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<v Speaker 2>experience of going to a movie. But I do believe,

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<v Speaker 2>and don't you as well, that people are starting to

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<v Speaker 2>act much worse than they ever have for some reason. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe it's it's still a function of COVID, where

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<v Speaker 2>we somehow not socializing for two years or so. It

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<v Speaker 2>like civilized individuals. If I could trace it back to anything,

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<v Speaker 2>I would say COVID and that period of isolation.

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<v Speaker 3>Well maybe this is where your citizenship classes had come

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<v Speaker 3>in handy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, look from your lips to God's ears.

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<v Speaker 2>You know they haven't put they haven't put civics back

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<v Speaker 2>in school. You know we don't. We don't reward good

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<v Speaker 2>citizens ship. And you know this.

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<v Speaker 3>Is what we get.

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<v Speaker 2>We've for all the complaints we have about society.

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<v Speaker 3>We didn't get here overnight.

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<v Speaker 2>We've done a lot of things to earn what we

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<v Speaker 2>don't like about society.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you are successfully turning me into a Moe Kelly

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<v Speaker 3>TM misanthropist. You hate people. No, never I ever, As always,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just following your lead. Mo, It's later with Mo

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<v Speaker 3>Kelly CAF. I am six forty. We're live everywhere on

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<v Speaker 3>the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 2>And when we come back, I'm going to keep the

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<v Speaker 2>AI theme going. New York Times earlier this week has

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<v Speaker 2>warned an AI company called Perplexity to stop using its content.

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<v Speaker 2>Damn it, Mark Ramer was right again and I hate no.

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<v Speaker 3>That's next.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on demand from

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<v Speaker 1>KFI AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 3>Caff I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mo' kelly here, We're live everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I saw this next story, I immediately thought

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<v Speaker 2>of Mark Ronner, and I wanted to take my time

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<v Speaker 2>with this because this is also part of an ongoing

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<v Speaker 2>conversation the implementation of AI where it makes sense, where

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<v Speaker 2>it is I would say stealing to use Mark Ronner's word,

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<v Speaker 2>where it actually adds something to us as people or society,

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<v Speaker 2>or also in the creation of content. The New York

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<v Speaker 2>Times has demanded that the AI search engine startup company

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<v Speaker 2>Perplexity stop using content from the New York Times website

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<v Speaker 2>in a cease and desist letter sent to the company.

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<v Speaker 2>The New York Times presently is also suing open Ai

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<v Speaker 2>and Microsoft over allegedly illegally training its AI models using

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<v Speaker 2>the New York Times content, which goes back to what

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Roner says. It can't do anything, It can't create anything.

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<v Speaker 2>It needs established and already created content for it to

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<v Speaker 3>Paraphrasing, but something to that effect.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Perplexity and its business partners are fighting back against

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<v Speaker 2>The New York Times, and they're saying that nobody has

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<v Speaker 2>a copyright on facts. Nobody owns the copyright to facts.

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<v Speaker 2>They're trying to argue, the information which is taken from

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<v Speaker 2>The New York Times is just the facts, not the phrasing,

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<v Speaker 2>not the wording, not actual paragraphs which were used by writers,

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<v Speaker 2>but just the baseline information.

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<v Speaker 3>Mark, What do you have to say to that? Can

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<v Speaker 3>you feel how angry I'm getting? Just?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>I know, Oh I know. That's why I did the story.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean. And I say this as a person who

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<v Speaker 3>has written stories and then watched as a TV news

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<v Speaker 3>anchor ripped them off word for a word, having my

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<v Speaker 3>of the source whatsoever. I think this is absolutely evil.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't copyright facts, Okay, then go do your own reporting.

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<v Speaker 3>That stuff doesn't just appear out of the ether on

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<v Speaker 3>its own to be plucked out like fruit from a tree. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but can you prove it? Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? No? No, no, no, no, not you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, I'm sorry, going back to New York Times,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh can they prove it? How do you mean exactly?

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<v Speaker 2>I want to make sure we're clear. Well, let's make

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<v Speaker 2>I'm making a delineation, a distinction between the facts. In

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<v Speaker 2>other words, the Dodgers lost to the Mets last night

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<v Speaker 2>six to three, excuse me, seven to three, as reported

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<v Speaker 2>in the New York Times. If perplexity uses that information

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<v Speaker 2>to inform their model that the Mets beat the Dodgers

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<v Speaker 2>seven to three, is that plagiarism. I'm playing both sides

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<v Speaker 2>of the argument because factually that's true. Stylistically, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>The New York Times.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the event occurred regardless of who reported it, but

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, okay, okay. So you're saying, look, without us, there

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, and they're saying, but the you we're taking

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<v Speaker 2>reading the New York Times and saying, hey, Mark, did

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<v Speaker 2>you see the Dodgers lost to the New York Mets

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<v Speaker 2>last night seven to three.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh really, how'd you see that? I saw in New

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<v Speaker 3>York Times. Yeah. It's pretty funny, isn't it. How free

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<v Speaker 3>public information always seems to be the result of someone

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<v Speaker 3>else's leg work and effort.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's not illegal for me to then reference that

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<v Speaker 2>in a write up or a radio show and not

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<v Speaker 2>even give attribution. Hey, the Dodgers loss last night seven

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<v Speaker 2>to three. I could have gotten it from ESPN, could

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<v Speaker 2>have gotten it from New York Times, could have gotten

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<v Speaker 2>it from Mark Ronner when he talked about it in

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<v Speaker 2>the KFI twenty four newsroom.

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<v Speaker 3>I do, and I mean there's there are differences, and

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<v Speaker 3>they get finer and finer. The more you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>more granular you get into this discussion. But as a journalist,

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<v Speaker 3>we cite our sources. If something's common knowledge, you know,

437
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<v Speaker 3>like the Earth rotates around the sun and by the

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<v Speaker 3>way it does, if you were wondering about that, you

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<v Speaker 3>know other things don't know? Do your research? Yeah, do

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<v Speaker 3>your own research. Yeah, some things are common knowledge. Other

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<v Speaker 3>things you always cite your source. And if you're in

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<v Speaker 3>the AI business, you don't get the benefit of the doubt,

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<v Speaker 3>you better cite your source.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but they're not journalists, and I'm still playing the

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<v Speaker 2>other side of the argument.

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<v Speaker 3>They're not journalists, but they're using the product of journalism.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like this term, but the work product of journalism.

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<v Speaker 3>I hate the word content too. But you know exactly

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<v Speaker 3>what I'm getting at with this. It's a catch all.

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<v Speaker 3>These are things that require the effort of humans with

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<v Speaker 3>experience judgment, who have actually put hours of their time

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<v Speaker 3>into it. For this information to be gleaned from another entity,

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<v Speaker 3>whether it's a human or an AI. Well, you're lucky

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<v Speaker 3>that I carved out time.

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<v Speaker 2>We can go a second segment with this, because I

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<v Speaker 2>still want to push back on your belief that this

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<v Speaker 2>is plagiarism or stealing when they're taking the baseline information,

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<v Speaker 2>or at least that's the argument that Perplexity is making.

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<v Speaker 3>It's noble of you to take their sight on this.

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate that we can't agree all the time. Mark, No,

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<v Speaker 3>that's boring. It's just unhealthy too. Nobody wants to hear

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<v Speaker 3>us agree.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Later with Moe Kelly on Demand from

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<v Speaker 1>KFI AM six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>Mo Kelly, We're Live Everywhere on the iHeartRadio app, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're going deep into the discussion of AI and when

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<v Speaker 2>it may cross the boundaries when we're talking about journalism specifically.

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<v Speaker 2>We all know that AI has potential to enrich our

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<v Speaker 2>lives in some way, or at least I believe that

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<v Speaker 2>we're not in agreement on where it should have a role,

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<v Speaker 2>if it should have a role in content creation when

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<v Speaker 2>it's connected to journalism. And last segment, I started talking

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<v Speaker 2>about how The New York Times has sent a cease

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<v Speaker 2>and desist to the company Perplexity, saying it has to

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<v Speaker 2>stop using the New York Times content from training its

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<v Speaker 2>AI model. This is what New York Times also had

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<v Speaker 2>to say, Perplexity and its business partners have been unjustly

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<v Speaker 2>enriched by using without authorization The Times expressive carefully written

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<v Speaker 2>and researched and edited journalism with out a license. The

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<v Speaker 2>New York Times also prohibits using its content for AI

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<v Speaker 2>model training. It disallows several AI crawlers, including Perplexities, in

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<v Speaker 2>its robots dot txt file that tell search engine crawlers

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<v Speaker 2>which URLs they can index.

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<v Speaker 3>Mark Ronner, there is no nuance for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that fair to say you're all the way on

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<v Speaker 2>the side of perplexity has no right to anything that

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<v Speaker 2>it may find via the New York Times.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that fair? Well, there's some nuance. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 3>read about something the other day about an AI that

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<v Speaker 3>could perform calculations in some medical issue that would have

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<v Speaker 3>taken a person weeks, months, years to do. That's a

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<v Speaker 3>perfectly valid good use for AI. But when you talk

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<v Speaker 3>about talking about assimilating information that other people have created

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<v Speaker 3>to pump out, crank out some ersatz garbage, Yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 3>not a lot of subtlety for me with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, what about then you have someone like not someone

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<v Speaker 2>something like the Los Angeles Times, And I use this

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<v Speaker 2>example before it I think it bears mentioning again. They

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<v Speaker 2>have an earthquake bot which will put up a completed story.

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<v Speaker 3>Moments after an earthquake happens.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a full story, you know, a four point

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<v Speaker 2>two earthquake which was centered at such and happened at

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<v Speaker 2>seven to fifty five PM.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's a full story. It's about maybe five or

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<v Speaker 3>six lines.

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<v Speaker 2>I would argue that it's probably resourcing similar stories from

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<v Speaker 2>around the web, inclusive of the New York Times and

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<v Speaker 2>other places. Do you think that to be plagiarism when

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<v Speaker 2>the specifics and the facts would change from earthquake to earthquake.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it seems to me like you could also extend

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<v Speaker 3>that to doing the weather. You can you can gather

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<v Speaker 3>data that isn't necessarily the work of a human being

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<v Speaker 3>sitting there pounding things out at a keyboard. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think one aspect of this that isn't really discussed as

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<v Speaker 3>much as it should be is that there's this kind

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<v Speaker 3>of pervasive sense to me that people think information is

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<v Speaker 3>and should be free. And this isn't stuff that just

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<v Speaker 3>drops out of heaven. It is the product of people

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<v Speaker 3>sitting there and doing work and bringing their experience to

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<v Speaker 3>the table. It's not something anybody could do. It's not

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<v Speaker 3>and I say this as somebody who's had so many

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<v Speaker 3>things stolen from me over the years. I had a

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<v Speaker 3>TV series stolen from me. It wasn't free. I put

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<v Speaker 3>many many hours and months of my time into that.

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<v Speaker 3>And like I said in the last segment, I've had

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<v Speaker 3>news stories that I've written red word for word on

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<v Speaker 3>the air on TV. Nobody mentioned where it came from.

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<v Speaker 3>We have to acknowledge that these things are the product

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<v Speaker 3>of people who do work, and that's not free. It's

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<v Speaker 3>no different than somebody who picks a vegetable or does welding.

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<v Speaker 3>For you, work is work if somebody does it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really not disagreeing with you, and I know Twala

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<v Speaker 2>would agree with me when I say that there are

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<v Speaker 2>times where we've seen our work on this show being

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<v Speaker 2>used as the basis and evidence for stories which have

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<v Speaker 2>run in the La Times and other places, almost word

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<v Speaker 2>for word. Yet and I've called out the writer on

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<v Speaker 2>Twitter and other occasions saying like this, you did not

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<v Speaker 2>come up with this on your own. It's way too

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<v Speaker 2>damn specific, using the same terminology and phraseology that I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe just didn't think that I was going to see it,

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<v Speaker 2>to which there was no response. So emotionally, I'm right

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<v Speaker 2>there with you. I've been a victim of it as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying, in the larger discussion, is what you

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<v Speaker 2>felt and what I felt the same thing which is

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<v Speaker 2>going on here with perplexity. I'm not seeing the evidence

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<v Speaker 2>that they're using the same phraseology. They're taking the basic

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<v Speaker 2>tenets of the story, the information or the facts of

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<v Speaker 2>the story, and then rejumbling it into a story of

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<v Speaker 2>their own.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I just want to put a finer point on

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<v Speaker 3>what I was saying, which is that we have to

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<v Speaker 3>get it into our heads that stealing somebody's words they're

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<v Speaker 3>writing or anything like that is no different than stopping

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<v Speaker 3>somebody and stealing the money out of their wallet or

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<v Speaker 3>breaking into their house and stealing their possessions. It is theft,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's serious. Just because it happens to be kind

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<v Speaker 3>of hard to pin down in terms of value, because

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<v Speaker 3>it's not a tangible thing, that doesn't make it any

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<v Speaker 3>less theft. Now, as far as this particular case goes,

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<v Speaker 3>there might be some technicalities, some nuance, I still think

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<v Speaker 3>this stuff should be regulated into oblivion to prevent abuses

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<v Speaker 3>and to prevent theft from people, because, as you know,

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<v Speaker 3>people who get into the occupations that we're in, whether

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<v Speaker 3>it's news or talk radio, journalism of any sort, TV,

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<v Speaker 3>writing novel, writing music, that's not easy and okay, and

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<v Speaker 3>to have any success in that at all, it's like

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<v Speaker 3>getting the brass ring on a merry go round.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me push back on that, and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>again play the other side because I know a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit more about the inner workings of KFI than someone

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<v Speaker 2>who's listening may not, and I think they would gain

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<v Speaker 2>some insight. You have an editor who is responsible for

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<v Speaker 2>writing stories. You have to write stories, and you have

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<v Speaker 2>to go to other places news sources in which to

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<v Speaker 2>collect those facts and then turn it into a Mervyn

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<v Speaker 2>Block style stories.

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<v Speaker 3>Isn't that correct? Extra points for the mervyn block reference.

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<v Speaker 3>Generally that's correct. Yes, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>How would that be different than this AI robot dot

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<v Speaker 2>txt crawling engine doing what seems to be the same thing,

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<v Speaker 2>going to other sources, verifying if you will, with multiple

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<v Speaker 2>sources the facts, and then generating the story.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I can explain, for one thing, we pay

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<v Speaker 3>for the wire services that we use, so we are paying.

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<v Speaker 3>We are paying for the bulk of the information that

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<v Speaker 3>we pass on to and if it's something that say

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<v Speaker 3>the New York Times, has we cite them or the

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<v Speaker 3>Washington Post, we cite the source. M Okay, I can't

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<v Speaker 3>argue with that. I cannot believe with that. Foosh, are

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<v Speaker 3>you recording this really?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>I think for a for a complete debate, I think

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<v Speaker 2>you need to consider all of the the nuances and

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<v Speaker 2>the vagaries of how this information is used in our business.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Another thing to keep in mind with this whole

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<v Speaker 3>AI thing is think of the reasons for the things

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<v Speaker 3>that are being done, and again, qui bono, who benefits

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<v Speaker 3>from them? If the reason is you don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>pay a person to spend all day doing it and

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<v Speaker 3>give them health coverage and that kind of thing, pay

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<v Speaker 3>them a living wage, that's one thing. If it's a

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<v Speaker 3>thing that a human being can't do, that's an entirely

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<v Speaker 3>different thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you saying that you're as good as a computer,

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<v Speaker 2>as a as an artificial intelligence?

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<v Speaker 3>Where would I even begin with that until I get

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<v Speaker 3>one of Elon Musk's little brain chip and plans and

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<v Speaker 3>hope it doesn't catch on fire in my skull.

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<v Speaker 2>No, honestly, I think we're all eminently replaceable. And going

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<v Speaker 2>back to the whole I robot comparison, Yeah, they have.

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<v Speaker 2>They have artificial intelligence which can create a symphony. Now

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<v Speaker 2>is it derivative, Yes, But you know all art, all

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<v Speaker 2>creation is derivative. It is based on it is like

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<v Speaker 2>it is similar to and I don't know how much

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<v Speaker 2>true creativity is anymore. Look, you have someone who's going

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<v Speaker 2>to write a song. It's going to sound eerily reminiscent

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<v Speaker 2>of this artist or that artist. In a particular genre,

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<v Speaker 2>you have someone who's going to create a movie. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's going to be very similar to someone's script or

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<v Speaker 2>someone's idea, someone's log line, don't I think we're past

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<v Speaker 2>the point of we're at the point of no return

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<v Speaker 2>as far as what we consider creation to be in

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<v Speaker 2>a content sense, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't know about that. I don't think anybody wants to read,

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<v Speaker 3>or watch or listen to any piece of art that's

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<v Speaker 3>generated by an AI. I think they want something from

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<v Speaker 3>a human. That's where the connection is, and we have.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you listened to what's on the radio. We are

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<v Speaker 2>not a high standard species. I'm not going to argue

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<v Speaker 2>against that.

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<v Speaker 3>But we've had kind of a midpoint toward this hellscape

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<v Speaker 3>with things like the Save the Cat formula for writing screenplays,

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<v Speaker 3>which just completely leeches all the art out of something

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<v Speaker 3>and has you copy a format from works that have

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<v Speaker 3>already been successful. It's garbage. And once you read that

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<v Speaker 3>book to Save the Cat book, you'll be able to

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<v Speaker 3>tell every movie you ever see that copies from it,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's crap. Nobody wants it.

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<v Speaker 2>But they do that in music that I use music

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<v Speaker 2>as an example because music sells, you know, talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the one four five core progression or the the chords

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<v Speaker 2>which are are the found in the most number one

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<v Speaker 2>hit songs. I mean there is an intentional repetition science

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<v Speaker 2>to creating art which sells, and it is it is

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<v Speaker 2>a derivative and it's diminutive in nature. Well, it is

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<v Speaker 2>taking from what has already succeeded.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, every single artist, writer, movie director, anything like that.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, what they give you in their art is

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<v Speaker 3>the product of a lifetime of them absorbing things like

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<v Speaker 3>little downloads like Neo and the Matrix. Every time you

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<v Speaker 3>read a book or watch a movie, that becomes a

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<v Speaker 3>part of you. But what but what you write or

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the music you put out, that's your own

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<v Speaker 3>original composition. And you can't say that of any ai

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<v Speaker 3>yet yet, I like an optimist. It's later with mo Kelly.

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