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Speaker 2: about the Trump administration. Now. I think all of you
Speaker 2: know that I am not what you would call a
Speaker 2: down the line Trumper. I like to think of myself
Speaker 2: as someone who's willing to look at what a president
Speaker 2: does and say, yeah, I agree with that, or maybe
Speaker 2: I don't agree with it. Many of you out there
Speaker 2: are for on with Donald Trump no matter what he does,
Speaker 2: which is fine. I respect that that is not me.
Speaker 2: I think he's done a great job on the water
Speaker 2: and I think it was necessary. I think that his
Speaker 2: trip to the Middle East was very successful. I'm hoping
Speaker 2: that some of the prisoner exchange that occurred between Russia
Speaker 2: and Ukraine in the last forty eight hours. Augurs, Well,
Speaker 2: I am not convinced that all of the tariffs needed
Speaker 2: to be adjusted. I think they could have been much
Speaker 2: more specifically applied. But there's one that perplexes me and
Speaker 2: I don't understand it, and maybe you can help me
Speaker 2: that are understand it, okay, And that is Donald Trump's
Speaker 2: war with Harvard. Now, I did not go to Harvard.
Speaker 2: I went to Boston State College. I have two kids
Speaker 2: who went to Harvard. They paid full vote. Okay, it's
Speaker 2: as simple as that. There are I guess twenty five
Speaker 2: percent of the undergraduate and graduate students at Harvard who
Speaker 2: come from countries around the world. Now, if someone comes
Speaker 2: to this country from another country on a visa, I
Speaker 2: think they need to behave themselves. Can they participate in demonstrations,
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely. I would like to think that they would
Speaker 2: participate in demonstrations that are support are of our country's
Speaker 2: history and our policies. If someone like the students at
Speaker 2: Columbia physically interfered with Jewish students or Israeli students because
Speaker 2: they're Jewish or Israel, pull their visis get them out
Speaker 2: of here. Okay. But that person. There's a line between
Speaker 2: free speech. Going to a demonstration is not the same
Speaker 2: as impeding someone from walking to classes. And I don't
Speaker 2: understand why Donald Trump feels that he wants to go
Speaker 2: after Harvard. Now, I know Harvard is the biggest and
Speaker 2: the best and the most well known. Obviously Princeton, Yale
Speaker 2: and a lot of a lot of the other ivys
Speaker 2: would disagree with that analysis, but I think it is
Speaker 2: the school that is known best around the world. I'm
Speaker 2: sure those that at Oxford might disagree with that, but
Speaker 2: for our purposes, I think we can agree upon that.
Speaker 2: I think that the new president of Harvard, Alan Garber,
Speaker 2: has has indicated that he is willing to have conversations
Speaker 2: with the Trump administration. But at the same time, I
Speaker 2: don't think that the Trump administration should expect the president
Speaker 2: of Harvard to essentially surrender and say we're done whatever
Speaker 2: you want us to do. Now, the Trump administration filed
Speaker 2: an action to basically tell Harvard you can no longer
Speaker 2: accept foreign students and we're going to pull the visas
Speaker 2: of those who are here with their student visas. Now
Speaker 2: that's a huge threat. It's a huge threat, but it's
Speaker 2: a threat not only to the institution. It's a threat
Speaker 2: that's heard around the world. It is a shot that's
Speaker 2: turned around the world. It basically says to the world
Speaker 2: that if you're interested in coming here to a university,
Speaker 2: whatever your goal is is to get, whether it's to
Speaker 2: become educated and become citizens here or to become educated
Speaker 2: and go back and lift up your own country, it's
Speaker 2: a noble goal in my opinion. In my opinion, and
Speaker 2: you're penalizing young people from around the world. Uh, in
Speaker 2: my opinion unnecessarily. Can you distinguish and can you say, Okay,
Speaker 2: this person at Columbia did this, This person at Columbia
Speaker 2: engaged in rhetoric that was virulently anti semitic. Absolutely pull
Speaker 2: the visa, but do it on an individual basis. If
Speaker 2: anyone out there can explain to me why Donald Trump
Speaker 2: seems so intent to going after Harvard, I'd love to
Speaker 2: have a conversation six one, seven, two, five, four ten
Speaker 2: thirty six one seven, nine three, one, ten thirty and
Speaker 2: one final court with Donald Trump. I don't think understood
Speaker 2: in his first term, and I had hoped he would
Speaker 2: understand in his second term, was that you govern by
Speaker 2: majority in a democracy. And once you lose your majority,
Speaker 2: you lose your power. You basically expend political capital that
Speaker 2: you have earned in your campaign. I thought that he
Speaker 2: was in a wonderful campaign, survived an assassin's bullet, survived
Speaker 2: the second potential assassination attempt, and I think that that
Speaker 2: there will be people who will follow him through a
Speaker 2: brick wall. But that is not fifty one percent of
Speaker 2: the American people. He has the support and had the
Speaker 2: support of about fifty plus. It was not a mandate
Speaker 2: President Trump. It was an election, okay, and you ran
Speaker 2: against a weakened Democratic Party and a weekended Democratic candidate.
Speaker 2: And if you think that you can spend political capital
Speaker 2: by pursuing things like Harvard and throwing students who are
Speaker 2: here and have never done anything problematic, you will destroy
Speaker 2: your own candidacy. It won't be the Democrats who will
Speaker 2: destroy it. Six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty
Speaker 2: six one seven, nine, three, one ten thirty. Let's get
Speaker 2: this conversation going. We're going to go with this until
Speaker 2: eleven o'clock. Convince me I'm wrong, Convince me I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: I think my position is absolutely defensible, but I want
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Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: All let's go to the phone. It's gonna go to
Speaker 2: Joel and Native Joel, you are first up this hour.
Speaker 2: Welcome my friend.
Speaker 3: How are you fine?
Speaker 4: Man? I have a collection night for you. Sure Fox
Speaker 4: For nineteen o five, Tall pitched the ninth inning and
Speaker 4: gave up two runs to the bom Royals who.
Speaker 2: Pitched the ninth inning. Oh the first basement. Okay, yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: well thanks, thank you, thank you very much. So that
Speaker 2: means the Orioles had a field goal and a safety.
Speaker 4: That's right, that's right now. Now that Parma University, Parmi
Speaker 4: University does not scream any kind of students at the
Speaker 4: university doesn't care whether the students come from, as long
Speaker 4: as they paid that tuition or the country to come
Speaker 4: from pay the tuition. Alvin Eursey wants to be diversified,
Speaker 4: so anti American and antisemitic propal study in Phama's students
Speaker 4: as well Communist Chinese students will allow to attend with
Speaker 4: no second thoughts I cannot say that about the copany,
Speaker 4: but they're probably just as bad as the students.
Speaker 2: Well, look, I think that there there are certainly there
Speaker 2: was a professor at Harvard who was indicted, served time
Speaker 2: here and is now accepted a faculty position in China.
Speaker 2: You're right, I mean, there's no question there's about I
Speaker 2: guess seven thousand students what twenty eight thousand between undergraduates
Speaker 2: and graduate students at Harvard, you know, a huge figure.
Speaker 2: My problem is when you paint with the broad brush,
Speaker 2: I don't know that you do yourself much good. I
Speaker 2: understand Harvard is big and represents a lot of things
Speaker 2: that uh, you know, real diehard Trump supporters are concerned about.
Speaker 2: But I just think that you know why, you know
Speaker 2: what is do you think the President Trump thinks that
Speaker 2: every one of these people from around the world who
Speaker 2: have come to Harvard are bad people? I mean, why
Speaker 2: would you paint with such a why why do you
Speaker 2: paint with such a broadbrush? And again, you and I
Speaker 2: see this a little differently. You know, I am as
Speaker 2: as virulently concerned about anti Semitism. I am fundamentally concerned
Speaker 2: about that, and I don't like the scent of it.
Speaker 2: I don't like the smell of it, and it needs
Speaker 2: to be rooted out. And some of those kids at
Speaker 2: Columbia who blocked Jewish students from attending classes, that's it.
Speaker 2: You're gone. You're gone. But why go after every student?
Speaker 2: What's the rationale in your mind?
Speaker 4: I don't know if there's any astronaut, but I've made
Speaker 4: COGNI needs to do a better job so it wouldn't
Speaker 4: be such a broad brush.
Speaker 2: Well I know that, but but I just think that
Speaker 2: that the concept of Uh, you know, when when a
Speaker 2: plane lands here in Boston from another country, uh, and
Speaker 2: you know people are here as tourists and they have
Speaker 2: visas or or they're here as visitors or whatever. You
Speaker 2: you assume that they're coming here for the right reason. Now,
Speaker 2: if somebody comes here and commits a crime, they have
Speaker 2: to abide by by our laws. I'm not saying all
Speaker 2: of these people who are here, these students have come
Speaker 2: from student visas. They're here legally, whether you like them
Speaker 2: or not. Now, obviously the president, I guess, can try
Speaker 2: to suspend the program. It's going to end up in court.
Speaker 2: I think he's going to lose in court. I just
Speaker 2: think it's counterproductive that when when you have these students
Speaker 2: who are interfering with fellow students who happen to be
Speaker 2: Jewish or Israeli. Does does he want to have Harvard
Speaker 2: throughout the Israeli students who are here as well, Because
Speaker 2: when he tells Harvard to get rid of all the students,
Speaker 2: he's going to be getting rid of some Israeli students.
Speaker 2: I don't want to get rid of the Israeli students.
Speaker 2: I don't want to get rid of students from other
Speaker 2: countries that they can learn the positive aspects of America.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just I think he likes to
Speaker 2: fight for the sake of fighting, Joel, and he picks
Speaker 2: fights that he can't win and he lose. It hurts
Speaker 2: his credibility in my opinion.
Speaker 4: You know, as long as students are here, I'm visus
Speaker 4: and they expect America.
Speaker 5: I have no problem with that.
Speaker 4: It's only when they viewers go against American views that
Speaker 4: they should not be there.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm with you. We would probably have to debate
Speaker 2: over what going against American views. If there is some
Speaker 2: student here who says that they disagree with Donald Trump
Speaker 2: or whatever, that's you know, that's that's fine, that's acceptable
Speaker 2: as far as I'm concerned. Yeah, However, if they come
Speaker 2: here and they say they have a right to prevent,
Speaker 2: you know, Jewish students from going to class or studying
Speaker 2: in the library, or going into the cafeteria, that's unacceptable.
Speaker 2: That student has forfeited their rights to be here. But
Speaker 2: you do it on an individual basis.
Speaker 4: In my opinion, I agree with doing that. I agree
Speaker 4: with you on that.
Speaker 2: All right, So we're in. We're more in agreement than
Speaker 2: in disagreement. Joel. And I know you're a you're a
Speaker 2: Trump supporter, and I respect that. And I thank you
Speaker 2: for having listened to me here, and and and I
Speaker 2: I just I think he hurts his cause. I think
Speaker 2: he hurts his cause in my opinion. Thanks Joel, Dan,
Speaker 2: you too, my friend. Talk soon. Okay, all right, let
Speaker 2: me let me start Harvey Silver glad here Hobby is
Speaker 2: called in, and I know Harvey will have something interesting
Speaker 2: to say. Harvey, go right ahead. If we got a
Speaker 2: break for the newscast, I can always kick you over
Speaker 2: to the other side of the news. Go right ahead,
Speaker 2: my friend.
Speaker 5: Trump's attack on Harvard is not done as a matter
Speaker 5: of principle. The man has no principles. He was pro
Speaker 5: Israel until he went to Cutter. They gave him, they
Speaker 5: gave him a plane, they gave him a lot of deals.
Speaker 5: Suddenly he's a friend of the Arabs.
Speaker 2: Well, I think he's still I still think he's pro Israel, Harvey.
Speaker 2: I think that he's trying to bring uh. I think
Speaker 2: he's trying to cause some division within the Arab block
Speaker 2: over there, and he's trying to get Cutter in the
Speaker 2: UAAR and maybe eventually Saudi Arabia to establish legitimate relations
Speaker 2: with Israel.
Speaker 5: I don't think he's you and I disagree with that.
Speaker 2: To the wolves. You really think he would throw Israel
Speaker 2: to the wolves.
Speaker 5: If there was something in it for him.
Speaker 3: Yes, all right, the.
Speaker 5: Man has no principles. Okay, anyway, but that's going by
Speaker 5: the point.
Speaker 3: With respect to Harvard, Harvard.
Speaker 5: Is, as a matter of fact, the wealthiest American institution.
Speaker 5: It is, as a matter of fact, the oldest American
Speaker 5: institution of higher learning. It is subjectively considered one of
Speaker 5: the half dozen best universities in the world. Trump figures
Speaker 5: if he could bring Harvard down, he can control American
Speaker 5: higher education, beating his megalomania and That's the reason he
Speaker 5: has attacked Harvard, don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think legally he can win that fight.
Speaker 5: No, I don't think he's gonna win because he didn't.
Speaker 5: He expected Harvard to fold like a cheap suit that
Speaker 5: like Columbia did.
Speaker 3: But Garber and the president Garber were in Provost.
Speaker 5: Manning suddenly decided enough is enough and they decided to
Speaker 5: say no. And Trump ego was really bugged by that,
Speaker 5: and so he is trying to bring Harvard them.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I got to ask you a question. I
Speaker 2: gotta ask you a question. Would you agree with me
Speaker 2: that Columbia has much more to account for in how
Speaker 2: they conducted themself, how the university conducted themselves in the
Speaker 2: face of these demonstrations that Harvard did. I think Harvard
Speaker 2: can have conducted themselves very well. I think Columbia had
Speaker 2: a lot to answer for.
Speaker 5: I agree with that. But letting Trump run Columbus was
Speaker 5: not the The answer was self improvement, Yes, self reform. No,
Speaker 5: Colombia has destroyed itself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And what I'm saying is is that they still
Speaker 2: and and they The president of Columbia is Claire Shipman,
Speaker 2: who used to be a network television reporter. Incidentally, I
Speaker 2: didn't realize she had such academic credentials to be the
Speaker 2: president of Columbia.
Speaker 3: I are you.
Speaker 2: Familiar with her background? She's she was a good reporter,
Speaker 2: good network reporter. I think she at one one point
Speaker 2: was married to Jake Sullivan, the former national security advisor
Speaker 2: of President of President Biden. But I didn't think that
Speaker 2: of hers would be like thinking of me as the
Speaker 2: president of a college it was. It would not be
Speaker 2: a good it would not be a good look. Harvey,
Speaker 2: I think Garbera I agree with you. I think Garbera
Speaker 2: has actually indicated to Trump that he's willing to talk
Speaker 2: and that they have done some things at Harvard actually,
Speaker 2: And it's like Trump, he doesn't want to take the victory.
Speaker 2: He'd rather continue to pound Harvard.
Speaker 5: Because I actually wrote a letter to Manning, to John
Speaker 5: Manning and too Alan garber and I said, you know,
Speaker 5: you guys, I'm so glad to see that you haven't
Speaker 5: so you've shown backbone. And I increased my annual giving,
Speaker 5: and I said, I suspect that there are a lot
Speaker 5: of alumni who increased their donations in order to help
Speaker 5: make up the shortfall.
Speaker 2: But I also think I also think Harvey to his
Speaker 2: credit and if I'm wrong, please tell me. I think
Speaker 2: to his credit, Garber sent signals make comments which suggested
Speaker 2: that they recognized that maybe they could tighten up the
Speaker 2: ship a little bit, and they wor Yeah, they were
Speaker 2: willing to.
Speaker 5: We're working on it. Yeah, and they're working on it.
Speaker 5: And I got an email back from Garber thanking me
Speaker 5: for my support. I'll beheaf of himself and the provost Manning,
Speaker 5: And so they understand that I and the letter of
Speaker 5: other alumni are backing them.
Speaker 3: Up on this.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I'm in similar fashion with you here. And
Speaker 2: if you talk to Alan Garvin, he'd like to be
Speaker 2: on the show. He's more than welcome. I mean, I
Speaker 2: think that he had said to the administration, and not
Speaker 2: in so many words, hey, we realize that we're not perfect.
Speaker 2: We can do some things better here, and maybe Trump
Speaker 2: recognized that or perceived that as a sign of weakness
Speaker 2: as opposed to a sign of accommodation and decided, well,
Speaker 2: now that they have shown weakness, I'm going to go
Speaker 2: in for the kill. I think at the end of
Speaker 2: the day, Trump is going to lose on this, and
Speaker 2: he's going to spend a lot of political capital and
Speaker 2: lose a lot of political capital.
Speaker 5: Dan, Yeah, he is losing court. I have a little
Speaker 5: doubt about that. The question is will he obey the
Speaker 5: court order.
Speaker 2: I don't think he has a choice because if he
Speaker 2: lose is a district court, Harvey, you know the system
Speaker 2: as well as I do. It's going to go eventually
Speaker 2: through the appellate If it does go through the appellate
Speaker 2: court up to the US Supreme Court, he may have
Speaker 2: one or two votes that would stay with him on this,
Speaker 2: but I think he'd lose seven to two eight.
Speaker 5: Two votes in the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we see it. You and I and you
Speaker 2: and I know who they are, Thomas and Alito. I
Speaker 2: think he would lose seven to two his breast case scenario,
Speaker 2: and at that point that's going to be devastating. I
Speaker 2: have no idea who's advising him legally, Harvey.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure he's taking advice.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, if that is true, Uh, he's even worse.
Speaker 2: I mean, if he's using Stephen Miller as his legal advisor,
Speaker 2: he'd better ask to see Miller's law degree, which doesn't exist. Yeah, Harvey,
Speaker 2: thank you man. I got the news here and I
Speaker 2: didn't want to drag you through the news. Thanks, as always.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you. You're particularly situated, particularly well situated to
Speaker 2: talk about anything related to Harvard. I really do appreciate
Speaker 2: you taking the time tonight. Appreciate it. Thanks, buddy, Talk
Speaker 2: to you soon, all right. I'd love to hear from
Speaker 2: you if you're if you think the President is doing
Speaker 2: this effectively and it is in his political interest, I
Speaker 2: think he has basically taken on a fight he cannot win.
Speaker 2: And I don't understand why his lawyers don't have the
Speaker 2: backbone to say, mister President, with all due respect, you
Speaker 2: were not on legal ground here that is solid. You
Speaker 2: are going to lose if you continue to press this point,
Speaker 2: agree or disagree. I'd love to hear from you, whatever
Speaker 2: your point of view is. I got some lines and
Speaker 2: we will talk about this. If I have to make
Speaker 2: a speech about it, I'll make a speech about it
Speaker 2: until eleven o'clock six one, seven, two, five, four ten
Speaker 2: thirty six one seven, nine three one ten thirty. The
Speaker 2: Trump administration is the day's click off the calendar. He
Speaker 2: won the vote in the House on the Big Beautiful
Speaker 2: budget bill by one vote. That's there's not a lot
Speaker 2: of room there, folks.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: And if you're if you're a Trump supporter and you
Speaker 2: think I'm dead wrong, bring it on. We can have
Speaker 2: a conversation. And if you if you're a Trump supporter
Speaker 2: and you agree with me, I'd love to hear from you.
Speaker 2: Coming back on Nightside.
Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on wz Boston's
Speaker 1: news radio.
Speaker 2: Next up, Ted in Medford, Ted next to the Nightside.
Speaker 2: Thanks for calling in. Go right ahead, sir, Hi.
Speaker 5: Dan, long time. We've talked quite often. Apparently Trump has
Speaker 5: never been to Harvard because that place, that's not an
Speaker 5: unsafe place for Jewish people. My daughter works there, she
Speaker 5: goes there for her master's degree. Yes, a lot of
Speaker 5: the students my daughter's age don't get the world and
Speaker 5: they do stupid things. I walked by Tufts every day,
Speaker 5: and last year with all the protests the Middle East
Speaker 5: and Israel and Palestine is very hard for the smartest
Speaker 5: people to figure out. I didn't vote for Trump, I
Speaker 5: didn't vote for Biden. I'm disappointed in Trump because I
Speaker 5: really think he had an opportunity, with his bully pulpit,
Speaker 5: to really make change. And I don't get it when
Speaker 5: you're the heavyweight champ.
Speaker 6: Of the world.
Speaker 5: You don't punch down and wait. Yeah, and he fights
Speaker 5: for the sake of fighting. And I don't know what
Speaker 5: lawyers he has, just like the Doze Union stuff. He's
Speaker 5: losing all those cases. He's losing a lot of credibility.
Speaker 5: I think this is about taking down higher education. And
Speaker 5: what I should have led with is I've never thought
Speaker 5: I would say these words in my life. That my
Speaker 5: thunder was stolen by Hobby Silvergate, who I've read for
Speaker 5: years and years, because a lot of what he said,
Speaker 5: I agree with him. He's obviously a much smarter man
Speaker 5: and I'll ever be and knows Harvard much better than.
Speaker 3: I ever will.
Speaker 5: But people need to understand too with international students, I
Speaker 5: deal with a lot of people from into here in
Speaker 5: my business. A they pay full freight to come here, yep,
Speaker 5: they pay, they had no help. And B these as
Speaker 5: people disappear, Like in the liquor inconvenience business. It's been
Speaker 5: getting killed since Trump has been office because a lot
Speaker 5: of these people aren't going out because some of them
Speaker 5: on here legally. They're afraid that I know somebody whose
Speaker 5: daughter had a violation on a kicket very well to do,
Speaker 5: wealthy Indian family that owns a lot of businesses in Boston.
Speaker 5: Because of that, her visa is in jeopardy. No, I
Speaker 5: don't understand the laws as to why. But this is
Speaker 5: all not it's just it's it's just a complete waste
Speaker 5: of time. The whole cut of thing bothers me. I
Speaker 5: am trying to hold out hope that at some point
Speaker 5: Saudi Arabia has to help us figure out Israel and
Speaker 5: Palestine and say y'all going here, y'all going here, we
Speaker 5: promise there'll be no Arab aggression. Maybe that's what he's
Speaker 5: trying to do.
Speaker 2: I think what he's trying to do, I think, and
Speaker 2: I'll disagree with my good friend Harvey silver Clay. I
Speaker 2: do know that from Trump's perspective, he sees the world
Speaker 2: from his perspective and what's in it for him. But
Speaker 2: I do think that he has an understanding, just a
Speaker 2: fundamental understanding of the importance of the name of the
Speaker 2: state of Israel and what it represents historically, you know, biblically,
Speaker 2: I mean all of that, all of that. It's a
Speaker 2: very special place. It has a history. I spent the
Speaker 2: day at Auschwitz in nineteen eighty six. Not that it
Speaker 2: changed my view. My dad had lectured us as kids
Speaker 2: World War II veteran never forget, never again. I mean
Speaker 2: it was it was imprinted on my mind. The smartest
Speaker 2: kids who I went to high school with were Jewish kids.
Speaker 2: And you know, it's yes, you know, I gotta tell you.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's it's true. But but the point
Speaker 2: is it's pretty clear who the good guys and the
Speaker 2: bad guys are in the Middle East, and and the
Speaker 2: israelis the good guys. They didn't stay.
Speaker 5: This generation is more to lunch than our generation was.
Speaker 2: Well, they didn't. It wasn't Israel that attacked Tamas on
Speaker 2: October seventh, and and Trump, if you go back to
Speaker 2: the first Trump presidency, the Arab Accords was an effort
Speaker 2: to basically get some of the kind of rational Arab
Speaker 2: states to come around and say, look, Israel exists and
Speaker 2: we're going to deal with it. And you have Yemeny Yemen,
Speaker 2: with their backing from Iran firing rockets into Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 2: I think that Saudi Arabia might come around even is
Speaker 2: what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 5: Well, they're coming around in a lot of other ways too,
Speaker 5: because the world has changed and money makes the world
Speaker 5: go around.
Speaker 3: It's absolutely there's real money at stake.
Speaker 5: And you know, like I say, with my daughter all
Speaker 5: the time, as bright as she is, much smarter than me,
Speaker 5: better student, we did not push back when the older
Speaker 5: generation the way that this generation does even were aarguan
Speaker 5: something on Mother's Day and I was clearly right. She's like, yet,
Speaker 5: I don't want to occu on Mother's Day. And then
Speaker 5: she texted me the next day like twenty five PowerPoint slides.
Speaker 5: I go, sweetheart, I've lived a lot more life than you.
Speaker 5: I love it yet, it's the best thing.
Speaker 3: In my life.
Speaker 5: I'm beyond proud of you. You haven't lived enough life yet.
Speaker 2: I have a daughter too. I have a daughter too. Okay, yes,
Speaker 2: we'll just leave it.
Speaker 5: At that dead Yes, yes, sir, enjoy the show is always.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, thanks so much for calling. I've
Speaker 2: called more off and will you. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Let's keep going here with the conversation. We're having a
Speaker 2: fun tonight. Let me go to my friend Susan and Cambridge.
Speaker 2: Susan and I normally disagree, but there may be some
Speaker 2: some threat of agreement here, Go ahead, Susan.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there may be, but I just I got to
Speaker 7: chuckle out of that. Twenty five power points flies. That's
Speaker 7: a good one.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I assume you could probably pull one of
Speaker 2: those together pretty quickly too, Go right ahead.
Speaker 7: Did you happen to hear Representative Lynch's comments today?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 2: I did.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they were on DZ, and I don't think i've
Speaker 7: ever heard him so exasperated. He used every four letter
Speaker 7: word that he's allowed to use, you know, in the media.
Speaker 2: But let me ask you this, Steve, I've always said
Speaker 2: that I felt Steve Lynch was the along with Seth Moulton.
Speaker 2: They are, and they are two solid members of the delegation.
Speaker 2: They would be my two favorite Democrats. May not be
Speaker 2: your two favorite Democrats. But today you're going to be
Speaker 2: quoting Steve Lynch, so go right ahead.
Speaker 7: Well, I was just going to point out that, you know,
Speaker 7: he's no, you know, far far lefty. Of course, I'm
Speaker 7: pretty sure he wasn't educated at Harvard.
Speaker 8: He's still oh absolutely no, I'm just saying that he's not,
Speaker 8: you know, he's not coming to you know, Harvard's sense
Speaker 8: because of that, you know, and what I liked is
Speaker 8: that he spoke to to be honest, like, you know,
Speaker 8: I don't really care about.
Speaker 7: What political capital Trump is expending on this, Like I'm
Speaker 7: not I'm not interested in that. I'm interested in what
Speaker 7: Lynch was saying, which is the stuff that he is
Speaker 7: destroying right now, like in terms of the sciences and
Speaker 7: people coming here and doing research and and pulling funding
Speaker 7: in the midst of clinical trials. I mean, that's just
Speaker 7: economically stupid. That's just a waste.
Speaker 2: That was what Lynch said today. And I understand that,
Speaker 2: and I agree with that. I have a different view
Speaker 2: a little bit, so I give you a chance to
Speaker 2: take a shot at me. I want Donald Trump to succeed, Okay,
Speaker 2: I want Donald Trump to be a good president. I
Speaker 2: want the federal debt to be brought down. I want
Speaker 2: the border secure, I want the United States to have
Speaker 2: a better standing in the world. And I think that
Speaker 2: the craziness of talking about invading Greenland or taking over Greenland,
Speaker 2: or taking over part of Canada basically expends political capital.
Speaker 2: I would have liked to have seen whoever the president
Speaker 2: has succeeded, what Democrat or Republican, And I just I
Speaker 2: hope you feel that way, not that you support his policies,
Speaker 2: but when any president is undercutting their own policies, and
Speaker 2: I can't think of any president who has undercut their
Speaker 2: policies more in both terms than Donald Trump. All it
Speaker 2: means is we will have a president who will be
Speaker 2: an ineffective president, which hurts all of us, right, I.
Speaker 7: Mean past his prologue. We saw that to a certain
Speaker 7: extent in his first and this time. You know, as
Speaker 7: many have said, the guardrails are off. He's got, you know,
Speaker 7: all the sycophants he wants around him, nobody to you know,
Speaker 7: take him aside, you know, and I mean supposedly. The
Speaker 7: reporting is that within within the White House, Stephen Miller
Speaker 7: and a group of a's are like intent on taking
Speaker 7: down Harvard, like destroying it. Basically, I don't understand not
Speaker 7: going to happen. I don't think that's going to happen.
Speaker 7: But I don't understand how they think that that serves America.
Speaker 4: I don't even know.
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't need yeah and an agreement.
Speaker 2: But by the way, I do think that many of
Speaker 2: the appointments of Trump in his cabinet in the second term.
Speaker 2: I think Marco Rubio is a good Secretary of State appointment. Okay.
Speaker 2: I think that, uh, the Transportation Secretary, Sean Duffy is
Speaker 2: going to do a much better job than Pete Boudhajet.
Speaker 2: I think that our transportation system, particularly our airline system,
Speaker 2: will be in much better shape when Duffy ends his
Speaker 2: four years as Transportation Secretary than it was when Budajet
Speaker 2: Butajet was asleep at the switch. You cannot convince me
Speaker 2: of that, Susan. Okay, So are there are some appointments
Speaker 2: that he's made that are good appointments. Stephen Miller is
Speaker 2: not a good person to have in your in either
Speaker 2: your kitchen cabinet or in your close close circle.
Speaker 7: We agree on that, Yes, I would push back a
Speaker 7: bit on the Buddha sucks because they did. He did
Speaker 7: go to Congress asking for more funding for the FAA
Speaker 7: and was turned down flat.
Speaker 2: Didn't he have a Didn't he have a democratic Congress?
Speaker 1: He didn't?
Speaker 2: He he did initially, but sure he had a democratic
Speaker 2: He had a democratic Congress in twenty twenty one when
Speaker 2: Joe Biden went into office, and our the planes that
Speaker 2: you fly on and the planes that I fly on
Speaker 2: and that your family flies on, we're not as safe
Speaker 2: as they should be. And I don't care whether it's
Speaker 2: a Democrat or.
Speaker 7: Republic focus on the initially was on the effects of
Speaker 7: the pandemic on the you know, the airspace and transportation industry.
Speaker 7: And so once he got past that, many times.
Speaker 2: You make an excuses, Susan, I'm telling.
Speaker 5: You what happened.
Speaker 4: I know what about Congress.
Speaker 7: They did go, you can look at look at the record.
Speaker 6: He did go.
Speaker 2: Then he did a fabulous job. And he then let's
Speaker 2: let's agree that Pete Buddha Chet was the greatest transportation
Speaker 2: secretary in our history, and that all the problems with
Speaker 2: the planes right now are our Duffy's problems because he's
Speaker 2: been in office now about one hundred days.
Speaker 7: Come on, So I didn't say that.
Speaker 4: I didn't know, but you're not saying it.
Speaker 2: But you're okay, all right, Hey, look I got I
Speaker 2: don't want to fight with you. This is the night
Speaker 2: I wanted to to have some some areas of a
Speaker 2: agreement with you. So sorry, if I took the conversation
Speaker 2: off in a different direction, I got to run because
Speaker 2: they got two more I gotta get to We'll talk again,
Speaker 2: and next time we'll fight like cats and dogs. Okay, thanks,
Speaker 2: all right, all right, coming back on night Side right after.
Speaker 1: This night with Dan Ray on w BZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: I love Susan. She's a friend of mine, even though
Speaker 2: we disagree in a lot of things, but today we
Speaker 2: have some agreement. Hey, let me go to my pal
Speaker 2: Dallas in Ohio. Dallas, Welcome, How are you?
Speaker 3: Yes? How you doing?
Speaker 8: Dan?
Speaker 3: Hello to you and hello Boston and WBZ. Yeah.
Speaker 5: I I really think that President Trump should back down
Speaker 5: on Harvard. I don't understand, you know, what the anks is,
Speaker 5: you know, was he.
Speaker 3: Does. He has some kind of been vindictive attitude towards
Speaker 3: Harvard that you know.
Speaker 2: It's like if you if you're the toughest guy in
Speaker 2: this in the town Dallas, and you can beat anyone
Speaker 2: up on a one on one fight, you don't go
Speaker 2: into a bar inside of fight with five people simultaneously
Speaker 2: because you're gonna.
Speaker 3: Get your No, you don't, but.
Speaker 2: That's right, you know.
Speaker 3: He I don't know, you know, it's like, okay, you
Speaker 3: got Harvard, you know, and then he's back and forth
Speaker 3: with the tariff, you know, and then for a while,
Speaker 3: you know, he wants to get Canada and Greenland, and
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you know, if you know, I'm
Speaker 3: gonna put it this way. He's not careful. The enemy
Speaker 3: is going to sneak in the back door, and you
Speaker 3: know that's gonna end up being a disaster for the
Speaker 3: United States. I think there's too much distraction, too much
Speaker 3: going on. He needs to really focus on. Uh you know, Uh,
Speaker 3: he's got.
Speaker 2: He's got everything going for him. You know, he won
Speaker 2: an election. People were supporting. He was getting a second chance.
Speaker 2: Americans love a comeback story. They love a second a
Speaker 2: guy that comes back. You know, some quarterback who gets
Speaker 2: hurt and they think his career is over, and next
Speaker 2: he's winning into the super Bowl. Uh. They America loves that.
Speaker 2: They love that. Yeah, and he's just he's he's gonna
Speaker 2: blow it if he doesn't watch himself. Dallas, I gotta
Speaker 2: get one more in body. How's everything an Akron? Okay?
Speaker 3: Hey, just fine, just fine. I just wish it would
Speaker 3: stop raining.
Speaker 2: Well, we got rain up here too. Happy Memorial Day.
Speaker 2: Everybody talks. Soon have a great one. I'm gonna get
Speaker 2: Peter in New York in here, Peter, You're gonna you're
Speaker 2: gonna wrap it up. You're you're called late. I've got
Speaker 2: a break for the eleven o'clock news. You got the
Speaker 2: you got the microphone, go ahead.
Speaker 6: You know I can't stand Trump. I think he's a
Speaker 6: as Rex Tillison said, and Effie moron, and I know
Speaker 6: what he's doing. He has those scruples, as Harvey said.
Speaker 6: And I know him from the time of him, from
Speaker 6: the time he's a kid. His trainer, his personal trainer
Speaker 6: was Roy Cohen. Is anybody worse than Roy Cohen.
Speaker 2: Roy Cone, not Roy Cohen, Roy Cone, Roy Cohen.
Speaker 9: Yeah, right, the guy from the McCarthy here is and
Speaker 9: everything he does is a test. Look, he's still jerking
Speaker 9: around with the tariffs. He has no idea what he's doing.
Speaker 9: As somebody I heard talk say, he's a bomb thrower.
Speaker 9: He throws the bomb in and then takes on the fight.
Speaker 3: He loves it.
Speaker 9: He has no scroup, as Harvey said, he has no scruples.
Speaker 2: All right, you got the final word of the hour, Peter,
Speaker 2: thanks so much. You got to call earlier.
Speaker 9: I love your calls, but I believe people have to
Speaker 9: read by Roy Cohne.
Speaker 3: They're too young.
Speaker 2: Well, no people can read. They if they can read
Speaker 2: up on George Washington. You know it's like people, they're
Speaker 2: not they're not too young to read history, you know
Speaker 2: as well as I do. Thanks Pete, Thank you, Peter.
Speaker 3: Thanks good great talks.
Speaker 2: Talk to you soon. Goodnight. Okay, Uh, Jack and Newton,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: If you want to hold on for the twentieth hour,
Speaker 2: you can, but we got to go to the twentieth hour.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you three options. Remember somebody of Memorial Day.
Speaker 2: You could salute a vet uh in that regard, uh,
Speaker 2: your first concert or your biggest regret.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: It's kind of a multiple choice twentieth hour. We'll be
Speaker 2: back on Night's side.