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<v Speaker 1>Some health insurance providers in Ireland waste your time leaving

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<v Speaker 1>We're fed up with all the waiting around. It's about

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<v Speaker 1>time you had twenty four to seven instant access to doctors.

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<v Speaker 1>Level Health. It's about time twenty four to seven instant

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<v Speaker 1>as Level Health, is regulated by the Central Bank of Ireland.

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<v Speaker 2>The legal team for Luigi Mangioni is standing up for

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<v Speaker 2>themselves and not for their client. Apparently they were in

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<v Speaker 2>negotiations for a plea deal for this guy. I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>this is an opener shoutcase. It's caught on tape the murder.

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<v Speaker 2>He put the names of the people he wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>kill and his issues literally on the shell casings. This

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<v Speaker 2>is the Judge Weiberg. This is the legal definition of

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<v Speaker 2>premeditated murder. You cannot claim insanity when you have that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of pre planning and that kind of execution, no

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<v Speaker 2>pun intended. And his legal team is now not going

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<v Speaker 2>to try to save his life because you know why,

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<v Speaker 2>they want the exposure as Fernando told us off the air,

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<v Speaker 2>they want the toda. I say that because the legal

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<v Speaker 2>team is doing this. I think that they're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>they would like the legal team wants to get exposure

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<v Speaker 2>and more money and names for themselves and would rather

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<v Speaker 2>use him as a sacrificial land.

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<v Speaker 3>That's I'm nottand.

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<v Speaker 4>I understand we just woke up, Professor. He did, and

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<v Speaker 4>he's on the air.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Professor Dershowitz, I feel free to weigh in on this.

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<v Speaker 2>We brought you in to talk about the Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 2>decisions yesterday. But I'm not loving this defense team of

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<v Speaker 2>Luigi Mangioni. I don't think they're acting in his best

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<v Speaker 2>injurest interest.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know how you would act in his best

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<v Speaker 5>interest at this point. There's nothing you can do except

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<v Speaker 5>try to get a reduced sentence. Uh.

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<v Speaker 6>And he has nobody to turn in.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, when I told Criminal of the Years, I

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<v Speaker 5>would start by saying to my students, if you ever

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<v Speaker 5>want to commit a crime, the first rule is commit

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<v Speaker 5>it with somebody more important than you, so you can

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<v Speaker 5>turn them man, and they can't turn them. And you

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<v Speaker 5>know he didn't do it, and they got him on tape.

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<v Speaker 5>They have him with a gun pointed to the guy

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<v Speaker 5>to have the names. The poor defense lawyers, they have

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<v Speaker 5>nothing to do at this point. My feeling is that

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<v Speaker 5>they wanted to put in this defense emotional whatever and

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<v Speaker 5>the clients that know so. I'm not agreeing with your

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<v Speaker 5>guests that these lawyers are acting in their own health

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<v Speaker 5>rather than the client.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Richard Warberg. I absolutely agree. That's why I asked

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<v Speaker 3>the question. I think that he wants political I think

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<v Speaker 3>Man Jong wants political theater. He's trying to make a

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<v Speaker 3>public forum out of this for his views. That's my type,

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<v Speaker 3>and the lawyers were trying to cut an ideals.

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<v Speaker 5>I understand that he has nothing else in his favor.

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<v Speaker 5>He has a lot of people supporting him, and I

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<v Speaker 5>think his feeling is if he goes to trial and he.

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<v Speaker 6>Gets a lot of supportive trial, who knows, maybe something

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<v Speaker 6>good we'll go.

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<v Speaker 5>Down the line, Maybe his time in prison will be easier.

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<v Speaker 5>But I do think that it was he who made

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<v Speaker 5>the decision. I'm not sure that that a trial benefits

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<v Speaker 5>him rather than a plea that makes the case.

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<v Speaker 3>If he has a mental incompetency plea, then what he's

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<v Speaker 3>doing is undermining his political agenda, his ideological attack. That's

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<v Speaker 3>why he wants the political theater.

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<v Speaker 5>I agree with that. I think even having submitted a

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<v Speaker 5>letter saying he was going to plead emotional instability probably

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<v Speaker 5>undercut his political and he may have seen the reaction

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<v Speaker 5>to it, But in any event, he's I think, has

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<v Speaker 5>seen this case from the beginning his political theater. Tragically,

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<v Speaker 5>it took the human life of a father of children,

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<v Speaker 5>and it sent a terrible, terrible message in society. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>it's a message that we're hearing in so many different contexts.

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<v Speaker 5>Murderers are being praised, whether they're murderers from Hamas or

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<v Speaker 5>has Ballah or Iran, or whether they're individual murderers. Today,

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<v Speaker 5>they are crazy. We see people out there who support

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<v Speaker 5>murder and who don't support innocent people and decency. I

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<v Speaker 5>think we saw it in the election in New York.

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<v Speaker 6>I think we're seeing it in the Manngie one case.

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<v Speaker 6>I think we're seeing it in.

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<v Speaker 5>A lot of different contexts, and it's changing our society

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<v Speaker 5>for the worst.

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<v Speaker 6>I think these are all symptoms.

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<v Speaker 5>Of a terrible change in our society toward moving in

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<v Speaker 5>toward accepting violence as acceptable. We have members of people

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<v Speaker 5>being nominated now to Congress who believe that Hamas was

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<v Speaker 5>correct in killing twelve hundred people and capturing two hundred

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<v Speaker 5>and fifty people, and they're.

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<v Speaker 6>Being elected to Congress. We have people being elected to

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<v Speaker 6>Congress to the Senate who wear a death tattoo for

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<v Speaker 6>years and years. I mean, something is sick about our

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<v Speaker 6>society and we have to move that in the right

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<v Speaker 6>direction or we're going to.

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<v Speaker 5>Be in real trouble. It goes way beyond Mangione, and

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<v Speaker 5>it goes way beyond Tuesday's election.

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<v Speaker 3>Alan. This is a case coming up for decision in

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<v Speaker 3>the next few days the Supreme Court. It's a transender case.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the West Virginia case about the ban of having

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<v Speaker 3>men being in women's sports. What are your thoughts about

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<v Speaker 3>that case and how's that going to turn out.

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<v Speaker 5>I think the Trump administration will probably win that case

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<v Speaker 5>and probably lose the case involving birthright citizenship. So I

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<v Speaker 5>think we're going to see a split in the last

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<v Speaker 5>few days of the court. This has been a very

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<v Speaker 5>very significant court term with a lot of important decisions,

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<v Speaker 5>most of them favoring Trump, but not all of them

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<v Speaker 5>favoring Trump. And we're going to see a movement toward

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<v Speaker 5>packing the court if the Democrats seek get control of

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<v Speaker 5>the House, And what about the try to pack the court.

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<v Speaker 6>And they'll fail, but they'll try.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree with that too. What about this case involving

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<v Speaker 3>presidential power to remove people from agencies? What do you

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<v Speaker 3>think that's going to do?

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<v Speaker 5>I think the President will prevail on that one as well.

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<v Speaker 5>And speaking of removing people, there's.

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<v Speaker 6>Also that's interesting. I hope test case that's going to

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<v Speaker 6>go on is this federal judge who was having sex

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<v Speaker 6>in her chambers alas that her law courts hurt it,

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<v Speaker 6>and there's a movement to impeach her. And I think

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<v Speaker 6>it presents a very interesting test case because a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of people think that in order to impeach a federal judge,

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<v Speaker 6>you have to prove that they committed crimes like treason, bribery,

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<v Speaker 6>or have the crimes and misdemeanors. As I argued and

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<v Speaker 6>the Senate in favor of President Trump, I don't think

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<v Speaker 6>that's the criteria for judges.

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<v Speaker 5>Judges are appointed for life and then it says during

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<v Speaker 5>good behavior. So I think if you can demonstrate lack

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<v Speaker 5>of good behavior and having sex in your chambers and

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<v Speaker 5>screaming loud and then lying about it sounds to me

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<v Speaker 5>like it satisfies the criteria of not good behavior. So

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<v Speaker 5>I think they should try to impeach this judge and

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<v Speaker 5>test the criteria for what it takes to impeach a judge,

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<v Speaker 5>because I think it's different criteria than what it takes

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<v Speaker 5>to impeach the president. After all, the p I think

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<v Speaker 5>it's selected every four years, you know, like the president

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<v Speaker 5>throws the bomb out, but the judge is there for life,

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<v Speaker 5>and if they engage in bad behavior, they shouldn't continue

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<v Speaker 5>to be able to be on the bench.

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<v Speaker 2>And I believe it was with another officer of the court.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this wasn't just like some pol Yeah yeahl

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<v Speaker 2>So that's also a conflict of a bunch of employment

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<v Speaker 2>stuff on and on down the line. Let's talk about

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<v Speaker 2>these decisions that did come down yesterday, including the one

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<v Speaker 2>that says that while you're applying for asylum, the court

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<v Speaker 2>said that we can continue or we can at least

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<v Speaker 2>keep these folks on the other side of the US border.

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<v Speaker 2>That seems like common sense to me. We have so

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<v Speaker 2>many people running around with pending asylum cases and we

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<v Speaker 2>lose track of it. Were you surprised by the decision

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<v Speaker 2>or was there anything in there that didn't that didn't

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<v Speaker 2>make sense to you. And then one more thing, the

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<v Speaker 2>continuing hissy fit within the court between some of the judges.

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<v Speaker 2>We had, so to Mayor reading off her decision, her

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<v Speaker 2>dissenting a decision in this Hawaii gun case, and Justice

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<v Speaker 2>Alito visually making all kinds of facial expressions showing his exasperation.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, you know, I know, Justine Luido, I like him

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<v Speaker 6>very much. He's an expressive guy. You know, I grew

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<v Speaker 6>up with a lot.

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<v Speaker 5>Of Italian Americans.

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<v Speaker 6>They don't pull their feelings back.

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<v Speaker 5>And when you put them on the bench and you

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<v Speaker 5>get a judge who is not supposed to have read

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<v Speaker 5>her full opinion didn't give any notice of it, I

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<v Speaker 5>can see why he got a little annoyed. On the

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<v Speaker 5>issue of keeping people seeking asylum outside. I have a

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<v Speaker 5>split view in that I think legally it's correct. Constitutionally

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<v Speaker 5>it's correct. The president has the power to do that.

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<v Speaker 5>I wish she.

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<v Speaker 6>Didn't, because you know, I'm still.

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<v Speaker 5>Somebody who thinks very hard about the nine hundred Jews

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<v Speaker 5>on the boat Saint Louis who were trying to come

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<v Speaker 5>into the United States to escape the the s chambers

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<v Speaker 5>and President Roosevelt kept them out and they all went

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<v Speaker 5>back to Germany and half of them died in death camps.

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<v Speaker 6>So you know, when you have.

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<v Speaker 5>A really, really strong case for asylum, that you're going

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<v Speaker 5>to die if you're not allowed in the country. My

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<v Speaker 5>feeling on the merits is that I wish they would

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<v Speaker 5>let them in the country. Constitutionally, I think the court

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<v Speaker 5>was absolutely right.

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<v Speaker 2>Are they though, really? I mean, are what percentage would

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<v Speaker 2>you say of asylum seekers in the United States are

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<v Speaker 2>facing a situation? I mean, granted that was a very

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<v Speaker 2>unique situation during the Holocaust, but how many what percentage

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<v Speaker 2>of current asylum seekers are really facing that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>human power?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, if I were a president, what I would do

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<v Speaker 5>is I would have a two step process.

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<v Speaker 6>If you can demonstrate that your.

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<v Speaker 5>Life really is at stake, if you're not allowed in

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<v Speaker 5>the country, I'll let you in. But if you're just

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<v Speaker 5>seeking asylum for reasons of helping your family and delay

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<v Speaker 5>and change wouldn't make any real difference. So I would

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<v Speaker 5>have a two step process and allow an asylum seeker

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<v Speaker 5>to make the case that his life is really at stake.

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<v Speaker 5>But you know that's up to the legislature. They can

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<v Speaker 5>do that, and it's up to the president. It's not

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<v Speaker 5>up to the courts to As Justice Ginsburg said when

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<v Speaker 5>she was on the court, the Supreme Court is I

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<v Speaker 5>have a roving commission to do good or to do justice.

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<v Speaker 5>They must comply with Article you know three of the Constitutions.

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<v Speaker 5>Basically that says you need to have a case in controversy.

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<v Speaker 5>And the court has narrow limited jurisdiction. They're not there

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<v Speaker 5>to just do good things. So to my ear, I

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<v Speaker 5>think has a different conception of the court.

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<v Speaker 6>And I understand her conception, but it's not what the

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<v Speaker 6>Constitution said out I.

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<v Speaker 7>Think, professor, this is Fernando Matteo. How are you today?

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<v Speaker 5>Great? And you I'm doing great.

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<v Speaker 7>Always a pleasure to speak to you. Enlightened and you

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<v Speaker 7>bring such an incredible energy to the show every time

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<v Speaker 7>you're on. My question to you is what's going to

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<v Speaker 7>happen with countries like the Dominican Republic when all the

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<v Speaker 7>Haitians get deported there and then they try to cross

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<v Speaker 7>the border over to the Dominican Republic. You know, these

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<v Speaker 7>are countries that are these are islands that are struggling,

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<v Speaker 7>although the economy and Dominican Republic is very good. But

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<v Speaker 7>you know they're fighting the invasion of the Haitians coming in.

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<v Speaker 7>And believe me, I think every Dominican has some Haitian

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<v Speaker 7>in them. Okay, because we're in Ireland, things happen, right, and.

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<v Speaker 5>Great things, great things, great people have come from both

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<v Speaker 5>those islands. Yes, I mean, think about baseball today, with

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<v Speaker 5>that the Dominican Republican it would be a much American sport.

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<v Speaker 5>In fact, you may have heard recently a group of

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<v Speaker 5>black leaders complained that there were too many Central Americans

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<v Speaker 5>in baseball and not enough genuine blacks. I mean, this

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<v Speaker 5>is what happens when you have DEI diversity. I always

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<v Speaker 5>think what would have happened to the New York Knicks

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<v Speaker 5>if they were subject to THEI. They'd had to have

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<v Speaker 5>two Irish players, three Italian players, a Jewish player.

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<v Speaker 6>They'd have finished last. You know, you do it on meritocracy,

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<v Speaker 6>you do it on the merits, and on the merits.

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<v Speaker 5>The Knicks had a you know, dominantly black team better

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<v Speaker 5>as all basketball players do, and they did great.

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<v Speaker 4>Some breaking news from ABC I guess television News voting

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<v Speaker 4>machine company drops one billion dollar defamation suit against Mike Linda.

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<v Speaker 5>Any good, but they bankrupt the guy. And also these

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<v Speaker 5>you need malice to bring a suit. And and Mike,

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<v Speaker 5>whatever you might say about him, is a believer.

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<v Speaker 6>He honestly believes it.

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<v Speaker 5>And I think he you know, I don't think the

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<v Speaker 5>court could satisfy the criteria of malice. So I'm glad

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<v Speaker 5>they dropped it.

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<v Speaker 6>Let Mike continue to sell his pillows. And you know,

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<v Speaker 6>you can agree with him, you can disagree with him.

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<v Speaker 5>I've represented him briefly in some matters in Arizona, and

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<v Speaker 5>he's a true, true believer, and.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, that's what makes this country go around.

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<v Speaker 5>Speaking of which, one point I want to make. It's

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<v Speaker 5>going to be July fourth soon, and I have a

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<v Speaker 5>July fourth book coming out of quote Founding Fathers and

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<v Speaker 5>One Jewish Mother, and it's a coffee table book with

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<v Speaker 5>beautiful pictures of the original documents of the American Revolution

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<v Speaker 5>and Israel. And it shows the incredible comparison between the

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<v Speaker 5>founders of America, you know, Washington, Madison, Hamilton, and the

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<v Speaker 5>founders of Israel, Hurtzel, Bengurian golda Mayir. So I think

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<v Speaker 5>if you need a gift for somebody for July fourth.

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<v Speaker 2>You can get it on Amazon and the title is

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<v Speaker 2>Founding father What is it again? The titles everyone knows.

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<v Speaker 5>Founding Fathers and One Jewish mother Goldimeyer being the Jewish mother.

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<v Speaker 2>Who came to Israel from the Ukraine by way of

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<v Speaker 2>Milwaukee and Milwaukee, resident.

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<v Speaker 5>Of Milwaukee, and she served me tea in her house

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<v Speaker 5>in nineteen seventy after I smuggled her a carton of

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<v Speaker 5>Lucky Strike cigarette.

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<v Speaker 6>I didn't know that they killed.

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<v Speaker 5>But Arthur Goldberg, for whom I work, was a close

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<v Speaker 5>friend of hers when she lived in Milwaukee and he

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<v Speaker 5>lived in Chicago. And when I went to Israel to

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<v Speaker 5>do an interview, he asked me if I would smuggle

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<v Speaker 5>a carton of Lucky Strikes. I put it in my socks.

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<v Speaker 6>I evaded Israeli security.

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<v Speaker 5>And I probably contributed to her earlier.

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<v Speaker 7>So you're a smuggler. You're a smuggler.

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<v Speaker 2>But in his defense, Oh, this is a great I

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<v Speaker 2>get to defend. I get to defend the great defender,

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<v Speaker 2>Alan Derschwitz, and you're in your defense. Professor Golden Meyer

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<v Speaker 2>was an incredibly persuasive person. Just ask Henry Kissinger, Richard

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<v Speaker 2>Nixon and John F. Kennedy and the great beyond. She

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<v Speaker 2>twisted all their arms very very effectively, Professor j question

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<v Speaker 2>about that.

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<v Speaker 5>And she was a great, great American, a great Jew,

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<v Speaker 5>a great Israeli, and a great human being.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes and uh at one time the sweetheart of the issue.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's another story. Alan Dersmith, thank you so much

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<v Speaker 2>for joining us.

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<v Speaker 5>What the heck is going on here,