WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:03.879 Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is 2 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:08.519 not intended for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised. 3 00:00:12.320 --> 00:00:14.119 We don't have another pace to go for get better. 4 00:00:15.199 --> 00:00:17.280 You appreciate that as a dead girl on your porch. 5 00:00:17.079 --> 00:00:18.719 Right, yeah, I don't have an option either. 6 00:00:30.559 --> 00:00:35.119 Fifteen year old Frankie Archiletta is running as fast as 7 00:00:35.119 --> 00:00:39.240 he can. Each step kicks up a cloud of dust 8 00:00:39.479 --> 00:00:44.920 as one four Cabresto road shrinks behind him. That's where 9 00:00:44.960 --> 00:00:48.880 police were supposed to go, but they missed it, and 10 00:00:48.960 --> 00:00:53.719 now Frankie has to find them. His lungs burn, partly 11 00:00:53.759 --> 00:00:59.200 from the running, but mostly from panic. Finally he sees 12 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:04.079 the red and blue lights getting closer. Frankie frantically waves 13 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:08.560 his arms, trying to flag them down. The cruiser barely 14 00:01:08.560 --> 00:01:12.560 slows to a stop before Frankie jumps in the back seat. 15 00:01:12.359 --> 00:01:14.959 Here this turn Centena nor the gate. 16 00:01:15.040 --> 00:01:17.400 Yeah there's the gates. 17 00:01:17.480 --> 00:01:22.519 Yeah yeah, yeah, fa yeah yeah, just go in. I know, dude, 18 00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:23.159 I'll do. 19 00:01:25.519 --> 00:01:29.560 It's July twenty eighth, twenty twenty three, and earlier in 20 00:01:29.599 --> 00:01:33.280 the afternoon, multiple calls came into the Questa Police department. 21 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:37.879 A thirteen year old girl has been shot somewhere on 22 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:42.799 Cabresto Road. But his dispatch tried to confirm the details. 23 00:01:42.840 --> 00:01:49.319 Everything blurred into confusion, wrong addresses, contradictory witness statements, even 24 00:01:49.359 --> 00:01:53.040 someone mentioning that the shooting was a drive by. By 25 00:01:53.079 --> 00:01:57.000 the time police and ems arrived, they weren't sure which 26 00:01:57.040 --> 00:02:00.280 house was the right one. 27 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:02.879 She's she said, I think, well, I don't know. She's 28 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:04.599 on the ground somewhere. 29 00:02:05.519 --> 00:02:07.959 They're locked from the down door. 30 00:02:13.599 --> 00:02:14.560 Poorsville foretels. 31 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:21.000 They've already wasted precious minutes. Meanwhile, Frankie's sister is bleeding out. 32 00:02:21.680 --> 00:02:23.719 They can come by if they want, or they can 33 00:02:23.800 --> 00:02:26.919 patrol the area. I have a possible suspect vehicle of 34 00:02:26.960 --> 00:02:29.960 a black yukon tinted windows and No. 35 00:02:30.120 --> 00:02:30.599 Twenty eight. 36 00:02:31.240 --> 00:02:34.039 Frankie and the growing squad of quest of police officers 37 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:37.199 run towards the patch of dry dirt near the back 38 00:02:37.280 --> 00:02:41.120 porch attached to the house. All the properties off Cabresto 39 00:02:41.280 --> 00:02:45.840 Road are rural and sprawling. There are plots of land 40 00:02:45.879 --> 00:02:51.159 with blurred borders, spotted with prefab homes and sheds, farming equipment, 41 00:02:51.639 --> 00:02:55.479 broken down vehicles, and herds of fenced in farm animals. 42 00:02:56.000 --> 00:02:59.280 By now there's a group of police officers huddled around 43 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:04.400 frankie sister her Amber. She's lying face up, her wound 44 00:03:05.080 --> 00:03:10.759 bleeding into the dry ground around her head. Frankie is frantic, 45 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:16.000 to say the least. Everything happened so fast he hasn't 46 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:18.479 even had time to call his dad and alert him. 47 00:03:18.759 --> 00:03:31.840 Relax, Relax, I don't know. 48 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:38.759 You need to back up, sister, You need to back up. 49 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:48.479 You need to back up, she likes, Okay, I'm. 50 00:03:48.360 --> 00:03:48.800 Gonna go ahead. 51 00:03:52.280 --> 00:03:54.919 If Amber dies, the call to his father will be 52 00:03:55.639 --> 00:03:59.319 much more difficult for Frankie to make. Their mother just 53 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:03.199 passed away previous year. Frankie can't bear the thought of 54 00:04:03.240 --> 00:04:06.120 telling his dad they've lost another family member. 55 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:13.000 She still was I'm feeling like she's Where is that at? 56 00:04:13.479 --> 00:04:22.959 I don't think you guys dispatch the residents. 57 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:24.120 I don't care. 58 00:04:26.680 --> 00:04:27.279 A TV. 59 00:04:27.519 --> 00:04:30.240 Please hurry up and fucking get someone here. 60 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:30.920 There on the way. 61 00:04:31.959 --> 00:04:35.639 Frankie wasn't the only person who witnessed the shooting. Crouching 62 00:04:35.639 --> 00:04:40.040 next to Amber's lifeless body is fourteen year old Keana Gonzalez. 63 00:04:41.199 --> 00:04:44.800 You can hear her crying. She's been on the phone 64 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:48.519 with nine to one dispatch, her hands covered in blood, 65 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:53.279 she's sobbing and at some point she got bit by 66 00:04:53.279 --> 00:04:57.959 a dog. Her medical needs are obviously not the top priority, 67 00:04:58.040 --> 00:05:01.639 but she doesn't care. I remember the girl dying on 68 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:05.720 the ground is key on his girlfriend? Where did this happen? 69 00:05:05.800 --> 00:05:06.199 Right here? 70 00:05:07.160 --> 00:05:07.759 You don't want to war? 71 00:05:08.279 --> 00:05:10.079 And then I don't know what happened. 72 00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:16.399 We do have them to make the murder for red. 73 00:05:17.480 --> 00:05:19.959 We did pay quest the fire fire so much for. 74 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:28.040 Anyone's in the area. 75 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:29.680 Is anything I can do? 76 00:05:32.279 --> 00:05:34.199 Still, she still has a post study and I'm gonna 77 00:05:34.199 --> 00:05:35.959 have to ask you, bro, what you're doing right now 78 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:37.600 is not helping. I'm gonna need to either go sit 79 00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:39.879 down over here or just give us a second. Okay, 80 00:05:40.199 --> 00:05:42.959 you don't need to be upset. I understand, I understand, 81 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:45.439 But what you're doing right now is I understand. But 82 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:46.879 what you're doing right now is not helping. 83 00:05:47.079 --> 00:05:47.319 Okay. 84 00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:49.000 I'm not trying to be an asshole to you. I'm 85 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:50.279 not trying to be an ashole to I'm trying to 86 00:05:50.279 --> 00:05:52.079 help you. But okay, this is what you're doing right 87 00:05:52.079 --> 00:05:53.720 now is helping. Please just get go over there with that. 88 00:05:55.160 --> 00:05:55.920 I could do much. 89 00:05:56.040 --> 00:05:57.959 Well, here's the here's the thing, dude. The medics are 90 00:05:57.959 --> 00:05:59.319 on the way. All we can all we can try 91 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:02.680 to do is keep pro live about the medics she is. 92 00:06:02.720 --> 00:06:05.399 She has a pulse you need. It's pretty good. So 93 00:06:05.439 --> 00:06:06.800 can you please just go over there and let us 94 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:07.199 do our job. 95 00:06:07.399 --> 00:06:10.079 Please. It's okay, it's okay. But I understand your upset. 96 00:06:10.120 --> 00:06:10.759 I totally get it. 97 00:06:10.759 --> 00:06:14.639 Okay, but the cats for the cast inside, guy, we're 98 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:15.680 gon we're gonna we're gonna need. 99 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:18.959 You back up. Please please please, guys in here is 100 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:19.480 not gonna help you. 101 00:06:19.720 --> 00:06:19.959 Leave me. 102 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:20.680 Let us do our job. 103 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:23.120 Let us let us do our jobs. Travis knows exactly 104 00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:26.079 what he's doing. Travis knows exactly what I understand. I 105 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:30.680 understand the closer you are. Yes, so she have a pulse. 106 00:06:30.720 --> 00:06:32.639 She has a pulse right now. Yes, right now, has 107 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:34.160 a pulse right now. I just need you, I just 108 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:35.959 need to step back for a second. I understand it's 109 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:37.680 your sister, and understand you lolever. We're gonna do everything 110 00:06:37.759 --> 00:06:40.360 we possibly can to help her, Okay, I promise you. 111 00:06:40.519 --> 00:06:43.279 I promise you that. Okay, it's okay, it's okay. I 112 00:06:43.360 --> 00:06:45.560 understand your medal. I understand your medical I'd be mad 113 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:47.560 to buddy, I'm gonna need you to step back because 114 00:06:47.959 --> 00:06:50.759 are working on her. Let let them work. Stop yelling 115 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:53.120 at him, stop freaking out, just let us do our job. 116 00:06:53.160 --> 00:06:53.639 Okay. 117 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:57.879 Frankie stomps off, deciding it's time to make that dreaded 118 00:06:57.920 --> 00:07:02.600 phone call to his dad. Meanwhile, EMS still hasn't arrived, 119 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:12.199 so two of the officers start giving Amber CPR. 120 00:07:14.519 --> 00:07:16.879 So keep your arms creaking as your body light. Don't 121 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:24.199 win yourself out too fast because I'm remember. 122 00:07:25.600 --> 00:07:29.480 See if you can get everybody's information and just start 123 00:07:29.480 --> 00:07:32.399 taking statements. I mean, I know it's fresh and everything, 124 00:07:32.879 --> 00:07:34.560 but at least identify everybody, please. 125 00:07:35.439 --> 00:07:40.639 Officers begin asking around who owns the house. It isn't 126 00:07:40.680 --> 00:07:44.319 Amber's family's property. Within a few minutes, they confirm it 127 00:07:44.319 --> 00:07:47.879 belongs to thirty nine year old William Brown, an employee 128 00:07:47.879 --> 00:07:51.680 of the Taos County Jail. As far as anyone knows, 129 00:07:51.759 --> 00:07:54.800 William is still at work or on his way home. 130 00:07:55.519 --> 00:07:59.759 He definitely isn't here yet. His son, fourteen year old 131 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:03.560 poor Furyo Brown, was hanging out with his three friends 132 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:06.800 at the house when all of this went down. There 133 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:10.839 were no adults around, but fourteen is an age where 134 00:08:10.839 --> 00:08:13.600 a lot of parents feel comfortable leaving their kids at 135 00:08:13.639 --> 00:08:17.879 home alone. None of that changes what's happening in front 136 00:08:17.920 --> 00:08:23.800 of them. Amber is slipping away and precious time is 137 00:08:23.879 --> 00:08:28.639 running out. Paramedics have still not arrived. 138 00:08:29.240 --> 00:08:30.000 I can. 139 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:40.120 There's no other oh nothing. 140 00:08:42.279 --> 00:08:46.240 While one deputy does CPR, another gently tilted Samber's head 141 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:49.840 from side to side, looking for the bullet entry or 142 00:08:50.159 --> 00:08:51.159 exit wounds. 143 00:08:51.559 --> 00:08:53.279 I can't find anything. 144 00:08:55.279 --> 00:08:58.759 All right there in the eye. That's what I'm wondering 145 00:08:58.799 --> 00:08:59.360 about right here. 146 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:01.519 Yeah, I just don't. 147 00:09:01.320 --> 00:09:03.320 Want to push. 148 00:09:03.639 --> 00:09:03.879 Yeah. 149 00:09:04.720 --> 00:09:08.639 Another ten minutes go by, and they take her pulse again. 150 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:34.759 There's remember almost here. I don't feel anything anymore. I 151 00:09:34.840 --> 00:09:36.200 guess you got shot on the road. 152 00:09:37.320 --> 00:09:37.960 No, I think so. 153 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:43.879 Finally they can see an ambulance pulling up. 154 00:09:45.559 --> 00:09:46.879 About ten minutes now. 155 00:09:48.240 --> 00:09:52.879 It happened at Is that what we heard? Yes, so 156 00:09:53.159 --> 00:09:55.240 we're down twenty minutes. 157 00:09:56.279 --> 00:10:00.559 Down twenty minutes. That means it took paramedics about twenty 158 00:10:00.559 --> 00:10:03.279 minutes to get there after the nine one one call, 159 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:07.399 but no one knows how long she'd already been lying 160 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:11.840 there before the call. The officers who were working on 161 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:15.279 saving Amber can now leave the task to the paramedics 162 00:10:15.320 --> 00:10:19.200 while they gather evidence from the roadway, the spot where 163 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:20.720 the kids said everything happen. 164 00:10:21.240 --> 00:10:23.120 In fact, that bell the gate was closed, makes me 165 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:23.639 think it was out. 166 00:10:23.679 --> 00:10:24.559 They happened over here. 167 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:30.600 Somewhere. And if they were shooting to. 168 00:10:30.559 --> 00:10:36.840 Help the driver's side smuggling this way, I think possibly 169 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:39.240 live of blood right here, I'm mean sure if. 170 00:10:39.159 --> 00:10:41.799 That the boiler of blood it says she wasn't bleeding 171 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:42.360 into the shots. 172 00:10:42.440 --> 00:10:43.759 There's no way some blood had come on. 173 00:10:44.919 --> 00:10:48.720 Keana is the only one around now. Frankie has run 174 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:51.480 off to talk to his dad on the phone, Porphyrio 175 00:10:51.720 --> 00:10:55.399 is missing an action, and none of the parents are 176 00:10:55.879 --> 00:10:59.879 on the scene yet. Despite the terrible timing, all of 177 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:04.080 this is about to change. As deputies walk back to 178 00:11:04.120 --> 00:11:07.759 the spot where Amber's body is now covered with a sheet, 179 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:15.480 they hear the news go to Coude one. 180 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:17.759 Okay, so we're gonna shut it, shut. 181 00:11:17.559 --> 00:11:18.519 Down, clear the scene. 182 00:11:19.279 --> 00:11:22.879 Let's get some tape and start taping everything off. Tape 183 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:24.840 everything off, put the unit in the road. I want 184 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:26.679 to block off whatever we can. 185 00:11:27.440 --> 00:11:32.480 At the worst possible moment, Frankie and Amber's grandma pulls 186 00:11:32.559 --> 00:11:37.000 up in her red sedan. Their dad is in the 187 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:37.600 front seat. 188 00:11:38.200 --> 00:11:39.759 Do you have the father walking in now. 189 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:43.279 Uh, he's got carpenter kneepads on a blue T shirt 190 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:44.080 and a baseball cap. 191 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:48.200 Well, I'm trying to block everything off from right here, 192 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:49.519 so I need you to kind of go. 193 00:11:49.399 --> 00:11:51.320 Back, please, Well. 194 00:11:53.000 --> 00:11:56.320 Just I'm sorry, I'm not hi, sir, I understand, So 195 00:11:56.440 --> 00:11:57.919 can you talk to me for just a couple of minutes. 196 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:03.720 The ems just pronounced her to see Stone. 197 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:07.559 My fucking god, man, that's it. 198 00:12:10.159 --> 00:12:11.480 He's gone. 199 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:13.960 He's gone. 200 00:12:14.840 --> 00:12:16.759 Connect he's referee. 201 00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:21.200 And just like that, the worst thing imaginable is no 202 00:12:21.279 --> 00:12:48.919 longer a possibility. Instead it's reality. It's July twenty eighth, 203 00:12:49.279 --> 00:12:53.039 twenty twenty three. In the rural town of Questa, New Mexico. 204 00:12:53.960 --> 00:12:57.840 Thirteen year old Amber Archiletta has just been pronounced dead 205 00:12:58.240 --> 00:13:03.200 outside of her friend's house. She's been shot in the face. 206 00:13:04.279 --> 00:13:07.919 Three other kids were there when it happened. Or brother Frankie, 207 00:13:08.320 --> 00:13:13.519 her girlfriend Keana, and her friend Porphyrio. They were all 208 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:17.879 childhood friends, rural neighbors. You could say. They all lived 209 00:13:17.960 --> 00:13:21.799 within walking distance of each other's houses, and hangouts like 210 00:13:21.879 --> 00:13:25.879 today weren't abnormal. The kids tell police they all saw 211 00:13:25.919 --> 00:13:29.000 someone in a black SUV drive up and shoot Amber 212 00:13:29.159 --> 00:13:33.080 while they were all walking together near the road. This 213 00:13:33.240 --> 00:13:37.240 is Porphyrio Brown's house and his dad, William, works for 214 00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:43.360 Taos County Jail. Talking to him is critical. His dogs 215 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:45.919 are trampling all over the scene and one of them 216 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:49.399 has already bitten two people. Not only that, but the 217 00:13:49.480 --> 00:13:52.399 layout of the property is set up so that herds 218 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:57.320 of sheep block access to other fenced areas. Detectives need 219 00:13:57.320 --> 00:13:59.960 access to the whole property, and they need William to 220 00:14:00.120 --> 00:14:04.600 corral the animals. And there he is. Finally, he's standing 221 00:14:04.639 --> 00:14:06.639 at the front of the house, his cell phone placed 222 00:14:06.639 --> 00:14:10.519 to his ear. Porfyrio is standing just a few feet away. 223 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:14.600 Porfilio, can you get the dog in the house please? Okay, 224 00:14:14.919 --> 00:14:16.240 where can we put the dog in? It won't be 225 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:22.360 biting people, I understand, dude, but we need this. I 226 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:24.679 understand that you're upset and everything, but we have to 227 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:26.799 get the dog off the property. We're gonna have We're 228 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:28.840 gonna have about fifteen police officers here in about fit 229 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:30.600 in about five minutes, and if your dog's. 230 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:31.480 Not off the property's gonna be a problem. 231 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:31.720 Dude. 232 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:32.759 Can you please get the dog in that? 233 00:14:33.600 --> 00:14:34.039 All right? Bro? 234 00:14:36.200 --> 00:14:38.960 They're gonna be walking all through this area and they're 235 00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:40.440 gonna be getting bit by your dog over and over 236 00:14:40.440 --> 00:14:41.759 again if you don't get it off the property. 237 00:14:42.480 --> 00:14:45.480 William Brown, like we said earlier, works for the Taws 238 00:14:45.519 --> 00:14:50.080 County Jail, so he's no stranger to higher keys of authority. 239 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:53.840 But now his property is the subject of an investigation, 240 00:14:54.639 --> 00:14:57.519 and somehow he easily slips into the role of someone 241 00:14:57.519 --> 00:15:00.919 who's that more run ends with the law. Then moments 242 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:04.840 working alongside them, what happens next isn't going to make 243 00:15:04.919 --> 00:15:06.320 him anymore cooperative. 244 00:15:06.639 --> 00:15:10.000 You just said, come here to me, now, yeah, your son, 245 00:15:10.519 --> 00:15:13.320 well he lost, Yes, he is, by the way. 246 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:17.000 Just let me talking to him. 247 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:20.080 They me talking to him, just going hey, come on, 248 00:15:23.279 --> 00:15:25.600 wait guys, guys, just let me talk to him. 249 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:26.919 We'll let me talk to him. 250 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:29.799 Will send me. Calm him down, let me help you 251 00:15:29.799 --> 00:15:30.200 get him up. 252 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:34.600 He doesn't have any policy persecutor. You want to stand up, 253 00:15:34.879 --> 00:15:36.240 I'm gonna driving another shoe, all right. 254 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:37.919 You gotta calm down. 255 00:15:38.639 --> 00:15:42.559 Calm down, because you were you were swinging, but you 256 00:15:42.600 --> 00:15:43.519 want to go to argument. 257 00:15:43.519 --> 00:15:44.320 If he wasn't even know. 258 00:15:44.399 --> 00:15:48.960 It, he sweah, where are you taking to a unit? 259 00:15:49.480 --> 00:15:52.559 A unit is just a patrol car, to be clear, 260 00:15:53.159 --> 00:15:56.919 But William doesn't care. Seeing his boy in handcuffs is 261 00:15:56.960 --> 00:16:00.320 all he needs to go into full blown Papa Bear mode. 262 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:02.840 We haven't even seen half of it yet. 263 00:16:03.320 --> 00:16:05.799 For what, that's all Anti's need to take this. 264 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:07.919 I think it's pretty obviously he's entertaining us. 265 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:10.279 Well that but what he didn't do. 266 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:11.480 Nothing he needs. 267 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:13.720 He's been obtained with us. 268 00:16:13.759 --> 00:16:14.960 That's just that's it. 269 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:16.519 That's gonna be in the end of it. 270 00:16:16.919 --> 00:16:19.279 Leaving the rook, He's just gonna say. 271 00:16:19.519 --> 00:16:21.480 You guys can't bring him to the house, the unit 272 00:16:21.559 --> 00:16:21.960 to hell. 273 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:24.240 Because it's a crimson. I can't. I can't met anyone 274 00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:24.600 in it. 275 00:16:25.559 --> 00:16:26.320 So that's the other thing. 276 00:16:26.519 --> 00:16:27.480 How long is this gonna take? 277 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:31.519 As long as it takes. I can't give you answer, because. 278 00:16:31.960 --> 00:16:33.120 What are you How long is this gonna take? 279 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:34.679 Because you know we've been taken. 280 00:16:36.679 --> 00:16:38.799 Hold on to you, okay, we don't have another pace 281 00:16:38.840 --> 00:16:39.639 to go for get better. 282 00:16:40.120 --> 00:16:42.240 I mean you appreciate it as a dead girl on 283 00:16:42.279 --> 00:16:42.840 your porch rape? 284 00:16:43.120 --> 00:16:44.240 Yeah, I don't have an option either. 285 00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:48.080 As they walk back towards the house, William starts to 286 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:52.759 yell at Portfario not to talk to cops. Interesting timing. 287 00:16:53.639 --> 00:16:57.279 He also yells at the officer escorting him, telling him 288 00:16:57.320 --> 00:17:00.120 not to talk to his son. Never mind that he 289 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:04.079 hasn't been mirandized yet. Big Daddy William Brown is on 290 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:08.839 the case, acting like Portfarrio's stand in attorney. If the 291 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:12.519 attorney was saw a goodman, that is, and he started running, 292 00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:13.559 he wasn't in the run. 293 00:17:13.680 --> 00:17:14.279 He started running. 294 00:17:14.279 --> 00:17:16.240 There's't no footing argument on the try and load up 295 00:17:16.279 --> 00:17:16.720 and swing on it. 296 00:17:17.119 --> 00:17:19.440 If that wasn't visiting, nor about really a little kid. 297 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:21.119 Yeah right kid? 298 00:17:22.279 --> 00:17:25.640 Hey, you he sucks man, and I don't not start 299 00:17:25.720 --> 00:17:29.400 up with him. Stop you stop stop. I'm not well he. 300 00:17:31.200 --> 00:17:31.440 Doesn't. 301 00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:33.240 But what you said, you have a dead girl, and 302 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:34.119 you need to be like you. 303 00:17:35.079 --> 00:17:37.880 I do. I've been trying to cooperate with a cross. 304 00:17:39.160 --> 00:17:39.920 Well they're taking him. 305 00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:40.759 He said, I could walk with you. 306 00:17:40.759 --> 00:17:41.960 Guys. They need to calm down. 307 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:43.319 I want to put you. 308 00:17:43.480 --> 00:17:44.400 I wasn't even talking to that. 309 00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:46.440 I just told him to leave so he didn't aggrevate 310 00:17:46.480 --> 00:17:46.960 you anymore. 311 00:17:47.039 --> 00:17:48.680 But you can't keep doing this because then I'll put 312 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:49.839 you in cuffs, and I don't want to do that. 313 00:17:49.839 --> 00:17:50.559 He's nothing wrong. 314 00:17:51.279 --> 00:17:53.839 Well let's walk over there, because they're still talking to it. 315 00:17:54.359 --> 00:17:57.119 Doesn't enp once they get Portfarrio in the back of 316 00:17:57.160 --> 00:18:01.440 the squad car and away from the adults. The state police, 317 00:18:01.599 --> 00:18:03.599 who have been on the scene for a while, have 318 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:08.200 to explain everything to William and his girlfriend Ashley, well 319 00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:09.880 as much as they can. 320 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:12.640 That is, would you be h kid who gives a statement, 321 00:18:13.240 --> 00:18:16.440 I wasn't even going okay, so you just got here 322 00:18:17.480 --> 00:18:20.839 just now? Or did you just get here after? Yeah? 323 00:18:21.559 --> 00:18:23.960 I was at work when he when my son called 324 00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:24.720 me about it happened. 325 00:18:25.400 --> 00:18:27.759 Did you sell, sell you anything anything like that. 326 00:18:28.480 --> 00:18:29.880 He just said that there was a girl that was 327 00:18:29.880 --> 00:18:31.599 shot and he didn't. 328 00:18:31.400 --> 00:18:31.839 Know what to do. 329 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:34.359 Did he say who shot the girl? 330 00:18:35.839 --> 00:18:38.119 You can't actually, you can't go there. Did he say 331 00:18:38.119 --> 00:18:40.480 who shot the girl? He said a black as TV. 332 00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:46.880 Black AV Yeah, that's all he said. 333 00:18:46.960 --> 00:18:50.119 I well, he referred to it as he said it 334 00:18:50.160 --> 00:18:51.519 was a black a CV, he's all he said. 335 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:54.400 We told weas I don't know. Was it a Yukon? 336 00:18:54.519 --> 00:18:57.039 I can't remember, because we resorted to as another girl's 337 00:18:57.039 --> 00:18:59.480 car delight us and then that her family drives that car. 338 00:19:00.319 --> 00:19:02.559 But it wasn't that people, It's just the way, because 339 00:19:02.599 --> 00:19:03.279 that's what he told me. 340 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:03.720 He said. 341 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:05.720 It was a part of it. Looked like Delilah's And 342 00:19:05.799 --> 00:19:07.680 did it look like Delilah's. 343 00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:09.920 Yeah, loose, that's another girl that livesn't tell she has 344 00:19:09.960 --> 00:19:11.680 nothing kind of it, But it's what still. I just 345 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:12.599 cart her moms. 346 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:14.960 Awin. 347 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:17.599 But did she see who shot him or no? 348 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:19.039 He never said. 349 00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:21.680 He just told me, didn't tell you who it was. 350 00:19:21.839 --> 00:19:25.000 And I he told me that that happened. I was 351 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:29.960 at work and I just left and then everything else 352 00:19:30.799 --> 00:19:34.359 was done with plus the pedire, So there was nothing 353 00:19:34.359 --> 00:19:37.599 else that he told me other than you know, we 354 00:19:38.079 --> 00:19:38.480 we've been. 355 00:19:38.359 --> 00:19:39.240 Coopering the whole time. 356 00:19:39.319 --> 00:19:41.599 Town now appreciate it because this guy asked us to 357 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:44.240 take off his pants and stuff, and she put him 358 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:45.480 in a bag down on the counter for you, and 359 00:19:45.559 --> 00:19:47.039 he was basically watching to the window. 360 00:19:47.799 --> 00:19:51.279 Yeah, he's actually insinuating that one of the officers was 361 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:54.960 creeping through the window enjoying the view of Portfurio, removing 362 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:59.599 his bloody pants and putting them in an evidence back. Also, 363 00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:02.079 ain't it weird that the guy who keeps asking the 364 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:05.079 same questions over and over again, just like his son, 365 00:20:05.119 --> 00:20:08.000 by the way, questions which have been answered, mind you, 366 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:12.319 what's content with his son? Only giving him vague details 367 00:20:12.640 --> 00:20:14.480 about the dead girl on his property. 368 00:20:15.279 --> 00:20:19.480 Weird, right, smister Brown, this is who I am, Major 369 00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:21.759 Faul Crumb and then was New Mexico State Police. 370 00:20:21.759 --> 00:20:24.359 I'm in the case agent for this case. Okay. 371 00:20:24.680 --> 00:20:27.440 I know you said that your son had already spoken 372 00:20:27.480 --> 00:20:29.359 to a lawyer, so then we'll get a hold of 373 00:20:29.440 --> 00:20:33.960 him and see what he wants to do. All I 374 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:36.200 can tell you is that this is all brand new 375 00:20:36.200 --> 00:20:40.160 to us. We just showed up. I understand your frustrations, 376 00:20:40.599 --> 00:20:43.640 but let us do our jobs. I can promise you. 377 00:20:43.759 --> 00:20:44.759 All I'm here for is. 378 00:20:44.720 --> 00:20:47.039 The truth and what's going to him. 379 00:20:47.079 --> 00:20:50.559 So right, right this second, he's just being detained. I'm 380 00:20:50.559 --> 00:20:55.079 going to get a hold of mister Gower obviously because 381 00:20:55.119 --> 00:20:59.920 of pre preliminary information. Preliminary information that we've received has 382 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:02.440 given us the right to detain him for right now. 383 00:21:02.920 --> 00:21:04.039 I can't. I can't. 384 00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:06.400 There's a lot of there's a lot of stuff that 385 00:21:06.440 --> 00:21:08.119 I can't tell you. I'll tell you as. 386 00:21:08.079 --> 00:21:08.599 Much as I can. 387 00:21:08.680 --> 00:21:11.400 I'll be as straight up with you as I can, 388 00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:15.119 but there's just information that I don't share, and that 389 00:21:15.440 --> 00:21:18.920 just just to protect the integrity of the investigation. I'm 390 00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:21.839 the case agent. The buck stops with me. Okay, So 391 00:21:21.880 --> 00:21:24.319 if you have any questions, by all means, call me. 392 00:21:25.000 --> 00:21:28.319 But right now, we just have a lot, a lot 393 00:21:28.319 --> 00:21:30.519 of other stuff to do. That's all preliminary, so we 394 00:21:30.519 --> 00:21:34.440 don't have a lot of information either, but the initial 395 00:21:35.119 --> 00:21:37.319 stuff that we do have gives us the right to 396 00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:38.119 detain your son. 397 00:21:38.920 --> 00:21:43.000 William has already noticed something strange. Now his son Portfyrio 398 00:21:43.160 --> 00:21:45.920 seems to be the odd one out in his group 399 00:21:45.960 --> 00:21:47.720 of friends and one of. 400 00:21:47.640 --> 00:21:48.880 The other ones going to be picked up. 401 00:21:49.839 --> 00:21:52.079