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Speaker 2: We don't have another pace to go for get better.
Speaker 3: You appreciate that as a dead girl on your porch.
Speaker 4: Right, yeah, I don't have an option either.
Speaker 1: Fifteen year old Frankie Archiletta is running as fast as
Speaker 1: he can. Each step kicks up a cloud of dust
Speaker 1: as one four Cabresto road shrinks behind him. That's where
Speaker 1: police were supposed to go, but they missed it, and
Speaker 1: now Frankie has to find them. His lungs burn, partly
Speaker 1: from the running, but mostly from panic. Finally he sees
Speaker 1: the red and blue lights getting closer. Frankie frantically waves
Speaker 1: his arms, trying to flag them down. The cruiser barely
Speaker 1: slows to a stop before Frankie jumps in the back seat.
Speaker 2: Here this turn Centena nor the gate.
Speaker 3: Yeah there's the gates.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, fa yeah yeah, just go in. I know, dude,
Speaker 2: I'll do.
Speaker 1: It's July twenty eighth, twenty twenty three, and earlier in
Speaker 1: the afternoon, multiple calls came into the Questa Police department.
Speaker 1: A thirteen year old girl has been shot somewhere on
Speaker 1: Cabresto Road. But his dispatch tried to confirm the details.
Speaker 1: Everything blurred into confusion, wrong addresses, contradictory witness statements, even
Speaker 1: someone mentioning that the shooting was a drive by. By
Speaker 1: the time police and ems arrived, they weren't sure which
Speaker 1: house was the right one.
Speaker 3: She's she said, I think, well, I don't know. She's
Speaker 3: on the ground somewhere.
Speaker 5: They're locked from the down door.
Speaker 3: Poorsville foretels.
Speaker 1: They've already wasted precious minutes. Meanwhile, Frankie's sister is bleeding out.
Speaker 5: They can come by if they want, or they can
Speaker 5: patrol the area. I have a possible suspect vehicle of
Speaker 5: a black yukon tinted windows and No.
Speaker 6: Twenty eight.
Speaker 1: Frankie and the growing squad of quest of police officers
Speaker 1: run towards the patch of dry dirt near the back
Speaker 1: porch attached to the house. All the properties off Cabresto
Speaker 1: Road are rural and sprawling. There are plots of land
Speaker 1: with blurred borders, spotted with prefab homes and sheds, farming equipment,
Speaker 1: broken down vehicles, and herds of fenced in farm animals.
Speaker 1: By now there's a group of police officers huddled around
Speaker 1: frankie sister her Amber. She's lying face up, her wound
Speaker 1: bleeding into the dry ground around her head. Frankie is frantic,
Speaker 1: to say the least. Everything happened so fast he hasn't
Speaker 1: even had time to call his dad and alert him.
Speaker 7: Relax, Relax, I don't know.
Speaker 8: You need to back up, sister, You need to back up.
Speaker 8: You need to back up, she likes, Okay, I'm.
Speaker 9: Gonna go ahead.
Speaker 1: If Amber dies, the call to his father will be
Speaker 1: much more difficult for Frankie to make. Their mother just
Speaker 1: passed away previous year. Frankie can't bear the thought of
Speaker 1: telling his dad they've lost another family member.
Speaker 2: She still was I'm feeling like she's Where is that at?
Speaker 10: I don't think you guys dispatch the residents.
Speaker 2: I don't care.
Speaker 3: A TV.
Speaker 11: Please hurry up and fucking get someone here.
Speaker 2: There on the way.
Speaker 1: Frankie wasn't the only person who witnessed the shooting. Crouching
Speaker 1: next to Amber's lifeless body is fourteen year old Keana Gonzalez.
Speaker 1: You can hear her crying. She's been on the phone
Speaker 1: with nine to one dispatch, her hands covered in blood,
Speaker 1: she's sobbing and at some point she got bit by
Speaker 1: a dog. Her medical needs are obviously not the top priority,
Speaker 1: but she doesn't care. I remember the girl dying on
Speaker 1: the ground is key on his girlfriend? Where did this happen?
Speaker 3: Right here?
Speaker 12: You don't want to war?
Speaker 13: And then I don't know what happened.
Speaker 3: We do have them to make the murder for red.
Speaker 3: We did pay quest the fire fire so much for.
Speaker 14: Anyone's in the area.
Speaker 2: Is anything I can do?
Speaker 15: Still, she still has a post study and I'm gonna
Speaker 15: have to ask you, bro, what you're doing right now
Speaker 15: is not helping. I'm gonna need to either go sit
Speaker 15: down over here or just give us a second. Okay,
Speaker 15: you don't need to be upset. I understand, I understand,
Speaker 15: But what you're doing right now is I understand. But
Speaker 15: what you're doing right now is not helping.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 15: I'm not trying to be an asshole to you. I'm
Speaker 15: not trying to be an ashole to I'm trying to
Speaker 15: help you. But okay, this is what you're doing right
Speaker 15: now is helping. Please just get go over there with that.
Speaker 3: I could do much.
Speaker 15: Well, here's the here's the thing, dude. The medics are
Speaker 15: on the way. All we can all we can try
Speaker 15: to do is keep pro live about the medics she is.
Speaker 15: She has a pulse you need. It's pretty good. So
Speaker 15: can you please just go over there and let us
Speaker 15: do our job.
Speaker 2: Please. It's okay, it's okay. But I understand your upset.
Speaker 2: I totally get it.
Speaker 15: Okay, but the cats for the cast inside, guy, we're
Speaker 15: gon we're gonna we're gonna need.
Speaker 2: You back up. Please please please, guys in here is
Speaker 2: not gonna help you.
Speaker 15: Leave me.
Speaker 2: Let us do our job.
Speaker 15: Let us let us do our jobs. Travis knows exactly
Speaker 15: what he's doing. Travis knows exactly what I understand. I
Speaker 15: understand the closer you are. Yes, so she have a pulse.
Speaker 15: She has a pulse right now. Yes, right now, has
Speaker 15: a pulse right now. I just need you, I just
Speaker 15: need to step back for a second. I understand it's
Speaker 15: your sister, and understand you lolever. We're gonna do everything
Speaker 15: we possibly can to help her, Okay, I promise you.
Speaker 15: I promise you that. Okay, it's okay, it's okay. I
Speaker 15: understand your medal. I understand your medical I'd be mad
Speaker 15: to buddy, I'm gonna need you to step back because
Speaker 15: are working on her. Let let them work. Stop yelling
Speaker 15: at him, stop freaking out, just let us do our job.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Frankie stomps off, deciding it's time to make that dreaded
Speaker 1: phone call to his dad. Meanwhile, EMS still hasn't arrived,
Speaker 1: so two of the officers start giving Amber CPR.
Speaker 2: So keep your arms creaking as your body light. Don't
Speaker 2: win yourself out too fast because I'm remember.
Speaker 5: See if you can get everybody's information and just start
Speaker 5: taking statements. I mean, I know it's fresh and everything,
Speaker 5: but at least identify everybody, please.
Speaker 1: Officers begin asking around who owns the house. It isn't
Speaker 1: Amber's family's property. Within a few minutes, they confirm it
Speaker 1: belongs to thirty nine year old William Brown, an employee
Speaker 1: of the Taos County Jail. As far as anyone knows,
Speaker 1: William is still at work or on his way home.
Speaker 1: He definitely isn't here yet. His son, fourteen year old
Speaker 1: poor Furyo Brown, was hanging out with his three friends
Speaker 1: at the house when all of this went down. There
Speaker 1: were no adults around, but fourteen is an age where
Speaker 1: a lot of parents feel comfortable leaving their kids at
Speaker 1: home alone. None of that changes what's happening in front
Speaker 1: of them. Amber is slipping away and precious time is
Speaker 1: running out. Paramedics have still not arrived.
Speaker 3: I can.
Speaker 16: There's no other oh nothing.
Speaker 1: While one deputy does CPR, another gently tilted Samber's head
Speaker 1: from side to side, looking for the bullet entry or
Speaker 1: exit wounds.
Speaker 5: I can't find anything.
Speaker 3: All right there in the eye. That's what I'm wondering
Speaker 3: about right here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't.
Speaker 16: Want to push.
Speaker 9: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Another ten minutes go by, and they take her pulse again.
Speaker 16: There's remember almost here. I don't feel anything anymore. I
Speaker 16: guess you got shot on the road.
Speaker 2: No, I think so.
Speaker 1: Finally they can see an ambulance pulling up.
Speaker 5: About ten minutes now.
Speaker 3: It happened at Is that what we heard? Yes, so
Speaker 3: we're down twenty minutes.
Speaker 1: Down twenty minutes. That means it took paramedics about twenty
Speaker 1: minutes to get there after the nine one one call,
Speaker 1: but no one knows how long she'd already been lying
Speaker 1: there before the call. The officers who were working on
Speaker 1: saving Amber can now leave the task to the paramedics
Speaker 1: while they gather evidence from the roadway, the spot where
Speaker 1: the kids said everything happen.
Speaker 2: In fact, that bell the gate was closed, makes me
Speaker 2: think it was out.
Speaker 3: They happened over here.
Speaker 2: Somewhere. And if they were shooting to.
Speaker 15: Help the driver's side smuggling this way, I think possibly
Speaker 15: live of blood right here, I'm mean sure if.
Speaker 3: That the boiler of blood it says she wasn't bleeding
Speaker 3: into the shots.
Speaker 17: There's no way some blood had come on.
Speaker 1: Keana is the only one around now. Frankie has run
Speaker 1: off to talk to his dad on the phone, Porphyrio
Speaker 1: is missing an action, and none of the parents are
Speaker 1: on the scene yet. Despite the terrible timing, all of
Speaker 1: this is about to change. As deputies walk back to
Speaker 1: the spot where Amber's body is now covered with a sheet,
Speaker 1: they hear the news go to Coude one.
Speaker 3: Okay, so we're gonna shut it, shut.
Speaker 12: Down, clear the scene.
Speaker 5: Let's get some tape and start taping everything off. Tape
Speaker 5: everything off, put the unit in the road. I want
Speaker 5: to block off whatever we can.
Speaker 1: At the worst possible moment, Frankie and Amber's grandma pulls
Speaker 1: up in her red sedan. Their dad is in the
Speaker 1: front seat.
Speaker 5: Do you have the father walking in now.
Speaker 3: Uh, he's got carpenter kneepads on a blue T shirt
Speaker 3: and a baseball cap.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm trying to block everything off from right here,
Speaker 5: so I need you to kind of go.
Speaker 3: Back, please, Well.
Speaker 5: Just I'm sorry, I'm not hi, sir, I understand, So
Speaker 5: can you talk to me for just a couple of minutes.
Speaker 5: The ems just pronounced her to see Stone.
Speaker 2: My fucking god, man, that's it.
Speaker 18: He's gone.
Speaker 19: He's gone.
Speaker 3: Connect he's referee.
Speaker 1: And just like that, the worst thing imaginable is no
Speaker 1: longer a possibility. Instead it's reality. It's July twenty eighth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. In the rural town of Questa, New Mexico.
Speaker 1: Thirteen year old Amber Archiletta has just been pronounced dead
Speaker 1: outside of her friend's house. She's been shot in the face.
Speaker 1: Three other kids were there when it happened. Or brother Frankie,
Speaker 1: her girlfriend Keana, and her friend Porphyrio. They were all
Speaker 1: childhood friends, rural neighbors. You could say. They all lived
Speaker 1: within walking distance of each other's houses, and hangouts like
Speaker 1: today weren't abnormal. The kids tell police they all saw
Speaker 1: someone in a black SUV drive up and shoot Amber
Speaker 1: while they were all walking together near the road. This
Speaker 1: is Porphyrio Brown's house and his dad, William, works for
Speaker 1: Taos County Jail. Talking to him is critical. His dogs
Speaker 1: are trampling all over the scene and one of them
Speaker 1: has already bitten two people. Not only that, but the
Speaker 1: layout of the property is set up so that herds
Speaker 1: of sheep block access to other fenced areas. Detectives need
Speaker 1: access to the whole property, and they need William to
Speaker 1: corral the animals. And there he is. Finally, he's standing
Speaker 1: at the front of the house, his cell phone placed
Speaker 1: to his ear. Porfyrio is standing just a few feet away.
Speaker 15: Porfilio, can you get the dog in the house please? Okay,
Speaker 15: where can we put the dog in? It won't be
Speaker 15: biting people, I understand, dude, but we need this. I
Speaker 15: understand that you're upset and everything, but we have to
Speaker 15: get the dog off the property. We're gonna have We're
Speaker 15: gonna have about fifteen police officers here in about fit
Speaker 15: in about five minutes, and if your dog's.
Speaker 2: Not off the property's gonna be a problem.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 2: Can you please get the dog in that?
Speaker 3: All right? Bro?
Speaker 15: They're gonna be walking all through this area and they're
Speaker 15: gonna be getting bit by your dog over and over
Speaker 15: again if you don't get it off the property.
Speaker 1: William Brown, like we said earlier, works for the Taws
Speaker 1: County Jail, so he's no stranger to higher keys of authority.
Speaker 1: But now his property is the subject of an investigation,
Speaker 1: and somehow he easily slips into the role of someone
Speaker 1: who's that more run ends with the law. Then moments
Speaker 1: working alongside them, what happens next isn't going to make
Speaker 1: him anymore cooperative.
Speaker 4: You just said, come here to me, now, yeah, your son,
Speaker 4: well he lost, Yes, he is, by the way.
Speaker 20: Just let me talking to him.
Speaker 21: They me talking to him, just going hey, come on,
Speaker 21: wait guys, guys, just let me talk to him.
Speaker 3: We'll let me talk to him.
Speaker 2: Will send me. Calm him down, let me help you
Speaker 2: get him up.
Speaker 3: He doesn't have any policy persecutor. You want to stand up,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna driving another shoe, all right.
Speaker 2: You gotta calm down.
Speaker 5: Calm down, because you were you were swinging, but you
Speaker 5: want to go to argument.
Speaker 3: If he wasn't even know.
Speaker 15: It, he sweah, where are you taking to a unit?
Speaker 1: A unit is just a patrol car, to be clear,
Speaker 1: But William doesn't care. Seeing his boy in handcuffs is
Speaker 1: all he needs to go into full blown Papa Bear mode.
Speaker 1: We haven't even seen half of it yet.
Speaker 4: For what, that's all Anti's need to take this.
Speaker 3: I think it's pretty obviously he's entertaining us.
Speaker 2: Well that but what he didn't do.
Speaker 16: Nothing he needs.
Speaker 3: He's been obtained with us.
Speaker 2: That's just that's it.
Speaker 3: That's gonna be in the end of it.
Speaker 1: Leaving the rook, He's just gonna say.
Speaker 4: You guys can't bring him to the house, the unit
Speaker 4: to hell.
Speaker 3: Because it's a crimson. I can't. I can't met anyone
Speaker 3: in it.
Speaker 2: So that's the other thing.
Speaker 4: How long is this gonna take?
Speaker 3: As long as it takes. I can't give you answer, because.
Speaker 2: What are you How long is this gonna take?
Speaker 1: Because you know we've been taken.
Speaker 2: Hold on to you, okay, we don't have another pace
Speaker 2: to go for get better.
Speaker 3: I mean you appreciate it as a dead girl on
Speaker 3: your porch rape?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't have an option either.
Speaker 1: As they walk back towards the house, William starts to
Speaker 1: yell at Portfario not to talk to cops. Interesting timing.
Speaker 1: He also yells at the officer escorting him, telling him
Speaker 1: not to talk to his son. Never mind that he
Speaker 1: hasn't been mirandized yet. Big Daddy William Brown is on
Speaker 1: the case, acting like Portfarrio's stand in attorney. If the
Speaker 1: attorney was saw a goodman, that is, and he started running,
Speaker 1: he wasn't in the run.
Speaker 3: He started running.
Speaker 22: There's't no footing argument on the try and load up
Speaker 22: and swing on it.
Speaker 12: If that wasn't visiting, nor about really a little kid.
Speaker 9: Yeah right kid?
Speaker 3: Hey, you he sucks man, and I don't not start
Speaker 3: up with him. Stop you stop stop. I'm not well he.
Speaker 19: Doesn't.
Speaker 1: But what you said, you have a dead girl, and
Speaker 1: you need to be like you.
Speaker 3: I do. I've been trying to cooperate with a cross.
Speaker 2: Well they're taking him.
Speaker 1: He said, I could walk with you.
Speaker 3: Guys. They need to calm down.
Speaker 15: I want to put you.
Speaker 2: I wasn't even talking to that.
Speaker 3: I just told him to leave so he didn't aggrevate
Speaker 3: you anymore.
Speaker 5: But you can't keep doing this because then I'll put
Speaker 5: you in cuffs, and I don't want to do that.
Speaker 3: He's nothing wrong.
Speaker 4: Well let's walk over there, because they're still talking to it.
Speaker 1: Doesn't enp once they get Portfarrio in the back of
Speaker 1: the squad car and away from the adults. The state police,
Speaker 1: who have been on the scene for a while, have
Speaker 1: to explain everything to William and his girlfriend Ashley, well
Speaker 1: as much as they can.
Speaker 3: That is, would you be h kid who gives a statement,
Speaker 3: I wasn't even going okay, so you just got here
Speaker 3: just now? Or did you just get here after? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I was at work when he when my son called
Speaker 4: me about it happened.
Speaker 3: Did you sell, sell you anything anything like that.
Speaker 4: He just said that there was a girl that was
Speaker 4: shot and he didn't.
Speaker 2: Know what to do.
Speaker 3: Did he say who shot the girl?
Speaker 2: You can't actually, you can't go there. Did he say
Speaker 2: who shot the girl? He said a black as TV.
Speaker 3: Black AV Yeah, that's all he said.
Speaker 4: I well, he referred to it as he said it
Speaker 4: was a black a CV, he's all he said.
Speaker 3: We told weas I don't know. Was it a Yukon?
Speaker 4: I can't remember, because we resorted to as another girl's
Speaker 4: car delight us and then that her family drives that car.
Speaker 4: But it wasn't that people, It's just the way, because
Speaker 4: that's what he told me.
Speaker 1: He said.
Speaker 3: It was a part of it. Looked like Delilah's And
Speaker 3: did it look like Delilah's.
Speaker 4: Yeah, loose, that's another girl that livesn't tell she has
Speaker 4: nothing kind of it, But it's what still. I just
Speaker 4: cart her moms.
Speaker 23: Awin.
Speaker 3: But did she see who shot him or no?
Speaker 2: He never said.
Speaker 4: He just told me, didn't tell you who it was.
Speaker 4: And I he told me that that happened. I was
Speaker 4: at work and I just left and then everything else
Speaker 4: was done with plus the pedire, So there was nothing
Speaker 4: else that he told me other than you know, we
Speaker 4: we've been.
Speaker 2: Coopering the whole time.
Speaker 4: Town now appreciate it because this guy asked us to
Speaker 4: take off his pants and stuff, and she put him
Speaker 4: in a bag down on the counter for you, and
Speaker 4: he was basically watching to the window.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's actually insinuating that one of the officers was
Speaker 1: creeping through the window enjoying the view of Portfurio, removing
Speaker 1: his bloody pants and putting them in an evidence back. Also,
Speaker 1: ain't it weird that the guy who keeps asking the
Speaker 1: same questions over and over again, just like his son,
Speaker 1: by the way, questions which have been answered, mind you,
Speaker 1: what's content with his son? Only giving him vague details
Speaker 1: about the dead girl on his property.
Speaker 19: Weird, right, smister Brown, this is who I am, Major
Speaker 19: Faul Crumb and then was New Mexico State Police.
Speaker 3: I'm in the case agent for this case. Okay.
Speaker 19: I know you said that your son had already spoken
Speaker 19: to a lawyer, so then we'll get a hold of
Speaker 19: him and see what he wants to do. All I
Speaker 19: can tell you is that this is all brand new
Speaker 19: to us. We just showed up. I understand your frustrations,
Speaker 19: but let us do our jobs. I can promise you.
Speaker 19: All I'm here for is.
Speaker 3: The truth and what's going to him.
Speaker 19: So right, right this second, he's just being detained. I'm
Speaker 19: going to get a hold of mister Gower obviously because
Speaker 19: of pre preliminary information. Preliminary information that we've received has
Speaker 19: given us the right to detain him for right now.
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't.
Speaker 19: There's a lot of there's a lot of stuff that
Speaker 19: I can't tell you. I'll tell you as.
Speaker 3: Much as I can.
Speaker 19: I'll be as straight up with you as I can,
Speaker 19: but there's just information that I don't share, and that
Speaker 19: just just to protect the integrity of the investigation. I'm
Speaker 19: the case agent. The buck stops with me. Okay, So
Speaker 19: if you have any questions, by all means, call me.
Speaker 19: But right now, we just have a lot, a lot
Speaker 19: of other stuff to do. That's all preliminary, so we
Speaker 19: don't have a lot of information either, but the initial
Speaker 19: stuff that we do have gives us the right to
Speaker 19: detain your son.
Speaker 1: William has already noticed something strange. Now his son Portfyrio
Speaker 1: seems to be the odd one out in his group
Speaker 1: of friends and one of.
Speaker 4: The other ones going to be picked up.
Speaker 19: As soon as I get as soon as I get
Speaker 19: to that point. Bottom line, I can't give you a
Speaker 19: time frame. Do you know where they're at?
Speaker 2: They had them leave.
Speaker 3: I have no idea, Carol, Actually, don't.
Speaker 4: Say anything to nobody, So I'm not saying anything to anybody,
Speaker 4: the attorneys.
Speaker 8: I just want to.
Speaker 24: Explain something to them.
Speaker 8: Okay, I'm just.
Speaker 4: You, but you don't speak until the attorney speaks.
Speaker 23: You're going to ask for any questions.
Speaker 19: I'm just telling you this is mister Brown. I understand
Speaker 19: your frustration, but let us work.
Speaker 21: Well.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not saying and.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that, but that's that's where we're at.
Speaker 20: Okay.
Speaker 1: If this family of Karen's is so insufferable with a
Speaker 1: dead girl on their porch. Can you imagine what the
Speaker 1: local Walmart supervisor has had to put up with over
Speaker 1: the years. Everything happened so fast, just like the shooting.
Speaker 1: But before police gave William this vague explanation, they had
Speaker 1: already spoken to Frankie and Keana. While the kids waited
Speaker 1: to give their official statements, one officer happened to be
Speaker 1: standing near a car. The door was open. Keanu was
Speaker 1: talking to her mom, and what she said to her
Speaker 1: changed everything. This is gonna be a little bit hard
Speaker 1: to hear, but we're gonna play it anyway.
Speaker 25: I'm sitting in his kitchen.
Speaker 14: This one music, I mean fun, and that's when you
Speaker 14: start learning what it starts pointing it and the reaction
Speaker 14: to Vic has the reaction to her, You're gonna go like,
Speaker 14: try to.
Speaker 25: Move their heads and ship and she did that and
Speaker 25: the rest her I look, I see a little lunch
Speaker 25: that TI gay attach and.
Speaker 11: Fucking dumb ass operators being so stupid. Of course I'll
Speaker 11: be fucking freaking out.
Speaker 2: And again, shut the fuck up, shut up, just fucking.
Speaker 24: Listen the hardest you can.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's about to tell you. And she
Speaker 2: tries to tell me, do you have any form of idea?
Speaker 26: I'm fucking fourteen.
Speaker 24: If I tell you, I'm I was.
Speaker 14: Born in two thousand and nine, So fuck does that?
Speaker 1: Hello, This dumb bitch's friend just murdered someone, but she's
Speaker 1: mad at nine one one instead. Yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of that going around anyway. In the beginning of this clip,
Speaker 1: if you listen real close, you can hear what she
Speaker 1: told her mom. She said, everything was perfectly fine. We
Speaker 1: were all sitting in his kitchen listening to music. And
Speaker 1: that's when he pulls out the gun and starts pointing it.
Speaker 1: Will you look at that? Turns out New Mexico State
Speaker 1: Police had a really good reason to detain Porphyrio Brown.
Speaker 2: Okay, so go ahead and tell me.
Speaker 15: What exactly what happened from from the moment before she
Speaker 15: was shot.
Speaker 2: Okay, what were you guys doing before she was shot?
Speaker 18: She went having a goal time and she just like
Speaker 18: went to the backyard and like we're done nice in pace,
Speaker 18: go to.
Speaker 14: Shit, And we ended up going to the and he
Speaker 14: ended up.
Speaker 27: Going back into his house and then next thing you know,
Speaker 27: he pulls out I think it's a revolver. The one
Speaker 27: that has like a spinning barrel.
Speaker 2: Okay, he pulls out of it. It was a handgun.
Speaker 10: Yeah, he pulls that up.
Speaker 15: So just to just to get it straight. You guys
Speaker 15: are you guys are in the back of the house, right,
Speaker 15: you can hang out playing.
Speaker 10: The first we were perfectly fine, just chilling, nothing wrong.
Speaker 14: And we ended up going inside.
Speaker 27: And then that that's the one he pulls out that
Speaker 27: good and I was like, dog, don't even be doing
Speaker 27: that because I could be loaded.
Speaker 10: He was also, And then he ends up pointing it
Speaker 10: at her and she went.
Speaker 1: And she went to go like like take.
Speaker 10: It away from her face.
Speaker 11: Right, all of a sudden, you just hear a boom.
Speaker 25: I look and I see her poots in the cross.
Speaker 2: So he shot her in the face with the handgun.
Speaker 15: Where where were you guys when he shot her with
Speaker 15: the handgun?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 25: I think the kitchen.
Speaker 2: You guys were inside the house when it happened.
Speaker 15: Yeah, were they joking around?
Speaker 2: Was he mad at her? What was the I don't
Speaker 2: know everything.
Speaker 10: She was perfectly fine. Everybody was joking, laughing, and he
Speaker 10: pulls it out. I don't even know where he got
Speaker 10: it from. And then he he he goes he goes like,
Speaker 10: cause like how it was because there's a table against
Speaker 10: the wall, and like I was standing against the window
Speaker 10: and she was next standing right there in the middle,
Speaker 10: and he points at her, and so she like went
Speaker 10: to go move it, and.
Speaker 25: That's when you just hear the loud bang and a
Speaker 25: little bit of a light and then.
Speaker 11: She drops and next thing you know, she just starts
Speaker 11: to glean. But next thing you know, when she does fall,
Speaker 11: should we all look? And then that's wants to freak out,
Speaker 11: and he's like, let's.
Speaker 10: Take her to the bat and Frankie's.
Speaker 16: All, we'll call on one.
Speaker 27: And I was like panicking. So it took me a
Speaker 27: minute to get my phone out of my pocket and
Speaker 27: just to dial in general okay, And then finally.
Speaker 11: We were able or well he was able to get.
Speaker 10: Her out, and then me and Frankie were standing out
Speaker 10: there with her, well four point somewhere, I don't know where.
Speaker 2: You just go back into the house, yeah, I think so,
Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Guys, guys, guys, before you get outraged, remember it's the
Speaker 1: gun's fault. The inanimate object murdered this girl, not the
Speaker 1: ignorant brown kid growing up in gangst the culture with
Speaker 1: the approval of his ignorant, brown gun owning parents, who
Speaker 1: weren't even home at the time. Remember to assign your
Speaker 1: blame in a proper woke fashion. Everyone good, Now that
Speaker 1: all the idiots have left and stopped listening, let's continue.
Speaker 1: While all this was happening, a detective pulls out his
Speaker 1: radio and quietly cancels the BOLO alert.
Speaker 15: Hey, what's going on?
Speaker 6: Can you do me a favorite? Cancel that bolo for
Speaker 6: that black of cud.
Speaker 9: Yeah, we kind of already did. Okay, perfect, Okay, any
Speaker 9: other updates or nothing?
Speaker 6: So for right now, three polices on scene. These guys,
Speaker 6: you're out here there, crime scene guys, you're out here.
Speaker 6: So it looks like she'll probably end up taking this
Speaker 6: one over from us.
Speaker 9: Huh.
Speaker 6: But we do have possible stufffecting custody and we're going
Speaker 6: to be turning him over to six weeks. And so yeah,
Speaker 6: I don't think we have anybody any other suspects help standy.
Speaker 1: It isn't until much later, during a follow up interview
Speaker 1: that Keana explains why she didn't tell the truth from
Speaker 1: the beginning.
Speaker 3: So there was there was a story of a vehicle
Speaker 3: driving by.
Speaker 18: Oh yeah, he he made that story up whenever he
Speaker 18: shot her and took her outside, when.
Speaker 3: What did he tell you about that?
Speaker 18: He'm trying to make up the story that the drive
Speaker 18: by happened like right like next that dumpster in front
Speaker 18: of his like on the road chase had drive by
Speaker 18: happened right there, and that her brother went to his
Speaker 18: house freaking out about it and then up dragging her
Speaker 18: over there.
Speaker 3: But m but that's not even close.
Speaker 19: Okay, So was he telling you guys to say that?
Speaker 19: I think he wanted us soon He was just saying
Speaker 19: that version.
Speaker 18: Yeah, I think he was.
Speaker 3: Okay, do you know who he was on the phone?
Speaker 18: Left?
Speaker 3: By chance?
Speaker 18: It might have been one of his parents.
Speaker 19: I'm not sure though, So so he made sure that
Speaker 19: you heard him talking on the phone when he when.
Speaker 18: He gave that yeah, because he walked around me and
Speaker 18: her when I was still next to her on the floor,
Speaker 18: and he ended up saying, like I heard him on
Speaker 18: the phone, was it was a drive by? All of
Speaker 18: a sudden some car passed by and the shot her.
Speaker 3: Did he ever ask you to move for him?
Speaker 18: He did ask us to help him pick her up
Speaker 18: when no one else helped.
Speaker 3: Because that's that's fupped up and where what did he
Speaker 3: want to do?
Speaker 18: I don't know if he wanted to take her side
Speaker 18: and like hide the whole fact that he shuddered.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, if it's talking about it, drive back,
Speaker 3: that makes.
Speaker 18: Sense because later on, like he didn't like when he
Speaker 18: was on the phone with his daddy, even told him
Speaker 18: that he didn't shoot her.
Speaker 1: Assigning blame to a random third party. Weird, that's not
Speaker 1: at all what criminals do. I guess that would be
Speaker 1: a good time to play the beginning of that nine
Speaker 1: to one one call for you.
Speaker 9: What's the location of your emergency?
Speaker 1: What the game?
Speaker 4: Hello?
Speaker 9: Oh, my shot, give me the acca, give me the address.
Speaker 7: But what's that?
Speaker 9: Why they're yelling and I can't understand then what happened?
Speaker 19: My god, my god?
Speaker 9: Shot your girlfriend?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 9: Where does she get shot?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 9: Okay, what's your what's your name?
Speaker 28: My name is?
Speaker 9: Okay?
Speaker 12: Remember?
Speaker 23: Is she alert?
Speaker 9: Is your girlfriend alert?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 23: She's looking on gorgeous right now?
Speaker 1: Worry?
Speaker 9: Okay, we're gonna get somebody out there right now. Stand
Speaker 9: the line with me. Don't don't hang up. We're getting
Speaker 9: somebody out there, but don't hang up on me. Okay,
Speaker 9: come on, just keep her comfortable. Okay, Oh, I.
Speaker 26: Think I don't know if she.
Speaker 9: Sir? Yeah, is she still unconscious? Sir? Is the person
Speaker 9: that shot her still there?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 15: Wait, no, they drove by.
Speaker 9: It was a dry by you. No.
Speaker 4: I wasn't even really around, l I was opening the bill.
Speaker 9: Okay, do you have an idea of what kind of vehicle? Baby? So?
Speaker 22: Okay, I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me ask you something, And I want you
Speaker 1: to rub those two brain cells together real hard and
Speaker 1: see if you can come up with an answer. If
Speaker 1: you had just watched someone murder someone else, would your
Speaker 1: first instinct be to cover for them? If so, kindly,
Speaker 1: fuck off and unsubscribed. Now, now let's hear what Frankie
Speaker 1: says when he's confronted with these inconsistencies.
Speaker 3: But what time to tell you guys about the taking
Speaker 3: order of the road.
Speaker 18: That's when Hue like, that's when she was actually outside outside.
Speaker 19: That's when she was already outside. Yeah, and you guys
Speaker 19: had had called nine one one.
Speaker 4: Yet, I think we'll like right when he like kind
Speaker 4: of like drugged her out to like the final squat,
Speaker 4: he kept saying he said that, and I was like no,
Speaker 4: And then I called in.
Speaker 19: Okay, bit, but you and Keana and poor fall three
Speaker 19: talked about a vehicle driving by, about Amber being shot
Speaker 19: from a vehicle that drove by.
Speaker 18: I don't I don't know about DJ, but I don't
Speaker 18: remember in me singing a vehicle.
Speaker 3: I hope, yeah he did. I know he did. So
Speaker 3: what what did you hear?
Speaker 18: Like?
Speaker 3: Could he tell you that story?
Speaker 4: He kept I kept hearing him saying, like, help me,
Speaker 4: help me, because that he was going to like his
Speaker 4: dad was going to like.
Speaker 3: And he was on the phone when he was saying
Speaker 3: help me, or who is he talking to to, like
Speaker 3: trying to tell us to like help him? Okay, all right?
Speaker 3: And what did porf do with the gun? That's one thing.
Speaker 3: I don't know what he did after the fact. Do
Speaker 3: you know what Russian roulette is?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 3: Was he playing that that? You're positive?
Speaker 1: Kid's gonna be pretty stupid. As evidenced by this detective's
Speaker 1: question about Russian rouly let, if a false story about
Speaker 1: a drive by came from Porphyria, it might team strange
Speaker 1: that Frankie and Keana went along with it, But these
Speaker 1: four kids were close. Frankie and Porphyrio were best friends,
Speaker 1: His best friend had just shot his sister, and in
Speaker 1: that moment, Frankie wasn't thinking about justice. He was thinking
Speaker 1: about damage control. He didn't know exactly what had happened,
Speaker 1: but he knew one thing for sure. It had to
Speaker 1: be an accident, didn't it. The story Frankie, Keana and
Speaker 1: Porfyrio gave to the police has completely fallen apart. The
Speaker 1: black SUV simply didn't exist, and the real shooter is
Speaker 1: now sitting in the back of a patrol car. Portfyrio
Speaker 1: Brown is fourteen years old, and he had access to
Speaker 1: at least one gun. For some reason, he pointed it
Speaker 1: at a thirteen year old named Amber Archiuletta in the
Speaker 1: face and pulled the trigger.
Speaker 14: When we started. And they're fourteen years old at that,
Speaker 14: all of them.
Speaker 3: No, they are all classmates.
Speaker 12: All of them are helping them.
Speaker 22: That was my job's girlfriends that happened.
Speaker 1: That these were classmates. They lived in the same neighborhood,
Speaker 1: they were childhood friends. Porforio's father worked for the Taos
Speaker 1: County Jail in the past. He was even a guide
Speaker 1: for the hunter's safety course. The family have known gun
Speaker 1: safety like the back of their hand. Should have been
Speaker 1: second nature to them because in many ways it was
Speaker 1: their job.
Speaker 3: So when he pointed it at her about how far
Speaker 3: away it was about probably about like this. So did
Speaker 3: she approach him to get a hope of the gun?
Speaker 18: Well, she was like this, and I don't know if
Speaker 18: they went closer to what then like they started struggling
Speaker 18: like this, and then like in.
Speaker 3: Time they start yes, And what was he doing with
Speaker 3: the other guns? He said, I'm not sure if.
Speaker 18: He was just pulling them out to show him off,
Speaker 18: to see if he was cool or what.
Speaker 8: But he just pulled him out and he didn't do
Speaker 8: nothing with him.
Speaker 18: So then he ended up doing I think you put
Speaker 18: him on the counter or something. I don't even know.
Speaker 2: I thought, like jendly, he was.
Speaker 20: Really chill guy.
Speaker 18: Like we always used to hang out.
Speaker 14: I'm sure chill have a good time.
Speaker 18: He was like always the homie. Yeah, never really thought
Speaker 18: anything bad about him, thought you'd do anything. But like
Speaker 18: I always knew, like he always like to like be
Speaker 18: people up, but they like disrespect him or whatever.
Speaker 3: But I didn't he like to fight, Yeah, but I didn't.
Speaker 3: I grew up and asked me, that's not that big
Speaker 3: of a deal.
Speaker 18: But I didn't think he'd ever like pull a gun
Speaker 18: out and someone.
Speaker 3: Like actually shoot them, And he never and he was
Speaker 3: never mad about anything.
Speaker 18: Everyone was laughing, having a good.
Speaker 3: Time, but he was just having a good time. Do
Speaker 3: you feel like he meant to do this?
Speaker 18: I don't know, because I could think about it. He
Speaker 18: didn't see him mad or anything. But then why would
Speaker 18: he have his finger on the trigger.
Speaker 3: Or just do that?
Speaker 16: So I don't even know.
Speaker 3: Did he ever? Do you ever know of him to
Speaker 3: pull guns out on somebody else, on other people?
Speaker 18: I've heard about it, but I wasn't sure if he's true.
Speaker 3: You've heard about it, but you've never seen it.
Speaker 20: Yeah, was he?
Speaker 3: Is he known to carry a gun?
Speaker 18: I'm not sure about like all the time, but sometimes yeah.
Speaker 3: Sometimes like what kind of gun?
Speaker 18: Well, even before whenever, like everything happened when works on
Speaker 18: the car, he pulls out like media block. I don't
Speaker 18: know what it was like minihandgun black and then he
Speaker 18: also had I think a rifle in the car.
Speaker 3: But and do you know does he hunt stuff like that?
Speaker 18: I think he does?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he does. He talk about that a lot.
Speaker 8: Yeah, sometimes has.
Speaker 19: He ever talked about hurting anybody else? Shooting anybody else?
Speaker 18: I mean when you used to talk about beating people's boot,
Speaker 18: asked before, but other and then not like gun violence?
Speaker 1: What fourteen year old needs to be carrying around a pistol?
Speaker 1: And why didn't anyone teach them the rule that every
Speaker 1: gun owner knows, and never point a gun at a
Speaker 1: target that you don't intend to shoot, you know.
Speaker 21: And I'm really upset because he's a you know, I
Speaker 21: know him, you know, I know him and the wife
Speaker 21: and everything, and you know, I never knew that he
Speaker 21: was a guy, but you would think he would have
Speaker 21: known him better, being a guide in the huntry.
Speaker 3: States and stuff.
Speaker 19: Got several guns in that house. I'm sure you've seen
Speaker 19: a lot of guns in that line.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just a patriotic, gun loving family.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 1: But after the shot was fired and Amber collapsed, Porphyrio
Speaker 1: didn't run for help, He didn't call nine one one.
Speaker 1: He started cleaning up and staging the scene, and he
Speaker 1: just had her by her arms and no.
Speaker 18: One was helping him, and he just started dragging her.
Speaker 3: What do you mean he wanted you guys to help?
Speaker 3: Did he say something?
Speaker 18: Whenever he first grabbed her under your arms, he was all,
Speaker 18: help me, help me. We just looked at him, you
Speaker 18: guess maybe still in shock or something, because no one
Speaker 18: helped him.
Speaker 3: And then so he takes her to the porch or
Speaker 3: did he take her all the way to where she was?
Speaker 18: He took her, he stopped her at the porch. That's
Speaker 18: whether there's some blood there, right, and then he drop
Speaker 18: her off with it.
Speaker 19: And he got on the phone right away. And I
Speaker 19: know this is tough, but do you remember brought a
Speaker 19: lot of blood being in the house. You said he
Speaker 19: cleaned up.
Speaker 18: I'm not sure how much, but it's probably a decent line.
Speaker 18: And you could tell that he cleaned because there was
Speaker 18: a mob bucket and there wasn't like there was like
Speaker 18: a little streak of blood next to the mob bucket.
Speaker 2: But I could tell he.
Speaker 14: Tried to hide some.
Speaker 18: But one thing is whenever I did end up going
Speaker 18: back to talk, whenever they moved me from the cop car,
Speaker 18: it did seem like he changed his clothes.
Speaker 19: Okay, So a second ago, you said you didn't know
Speaker 19: if he hit or did something with the guns.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like multiple guys. Yeah, So what do you mean
Speaker 3: by multiple guys?
Speaker 18: Because even at first, before everything happened, he even pulled
Speaker 18: out like an ak and it seemed like an ak
Speaker 18: it looked like it, and then some sort of other gun.
Speaker 18: I don't know my guns, but it was like about
Speaker 18: I would say, maybe about this, maybe a little bit bigger.
Speaker 18: It was camouflage and they were full rounds. Like the
Speaker 18: clip was fool but I don't know if there was
Speaker 18: one in the chamber. He ended up putting those ways
Speaker 18: and then that's when he pulls out the revolver.
Speaker 3: Did he threaten you guys at all? Were you scared
Speaker 3: of him in that point?
Speaker 18: In a moment, I didn't know what could happened, like
Speaker 18: he probably could have if he really.
Speaker 1: Wanted to they That's the question, isn't it. Did he
Speaker 1: really want to hurt Amber or was he just a
Speaker 1: dumb kid trying to look cool in front of his friends.
Speaker 1: Here's Frankie again.
Speaker 3: Do you know por carry a gun?
Speaker 18: Uh?
Speaker 3: Sometimes, I mean besides a rifle. Uh once in a while.
Speaker 21: You know, it's coming out a lot that he's actually
Speaker 21: been pointing that gun.
Speaker 6: In a lot of.
Speaker 17: I'm curious about that as well. And you know, some
Speaker 17: other people said that only the kids knew. But last
Speaker 17: weekend at the farmer's market there, you know, there's a
Speaker 17: little program for the kids to live there, and I
Speaker 17: guess it.
Speaker 21: Only went around the kids. But he had the gun
Speaker 21: in his being the whole time here at the farmer's market.
Speaker 21: But nobody knew except have you.
Speaker 3: Seen him point a gun at somebody else?
Speaker 29: Oh?
Speaker 3: Are you sure? And be honest with you did I'm okay.
Speaker 1: This is all starting to paint a clear picture. None
Speaker 1: of the adults knew it at the time, but Portfarrio
Speaker 1: had apparently brought a gun to work at the local
Speaker 1: farmers market. He'd been known to show off his guns,
Speaker 1: pull them out, and even point them at other kids.
Speaker 1: And now a girl was dead. The escalation couldn't have
Speaker 1: been more obvious to anyone that was paying attention, that is.
Speaker 19: But as far as evidence, I feel very strong for
Speaker 19: our case. I can't tell you exactly what he'll be charged.
Speaker 19: I mean, I can tell you exactly what he's been charged.
Speaker 19: Ye's it's called an open counter murderer. That is a
Speaker 19: you know, that's kind of an all income of saying charge.
Speaker 1: Now Porfarrio has to face the full weight of the law.
Speaker 1: Dad might see him as just a kid, but when
Speaker 1: you kill someone, the law doesn't always agree. Oh and
Speaker 1: the dead girl and the dead girl's family don't care
Speaker 1: how old he is. The word of the day on
Speaker 1: Swordain scale here is irrelevant. Say it with me eh
Speaker 1: re levant. William Brown was focused on his son's legal battle.
Speaker 1: What he didn't know was that he was about to
Speaker 1: become the first person charged under the new state statute.
Speaker 1: By the end of the day, both father and son
Speaker 1: would be in handcuffs. The law is called Benny's Law,
Speaker 1: and it took effect in June of twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: less than a month before Amber's murder.
Speaker 12: It's been nearly two years since tragedy hit Washington Middle
Speaker 12: School in Albuquerque and just rippled throughout our community. Which
Speaker 12: should have been a harmless schoolyard argument turned deadly when
Speaker 12: thirteen year old Benny Hargrove was shot and killed by
Speaker 12: a classmate. To say Benny was just standing up to
Speaker 12: a bully, and police say that team was able to
Speaker 12: bring the gun to school because it wasn't stored properly
Speaker 12: at home.
Speaker 24: This year's state lawmakers passed the Benny Hargrove Bill in
Speaker 24: an effort to prevent another similar tragedy, and today that
Speaker 24: new law officially is going into effect.
Speaker 26: Democratic Representative Pamela Herndon spearheaded this bill as one of
Speaker 26: the sponsors.
Speaker 20: What we are expecting as a result of Benny Hardgrove
Speaker 20: Bill going into place is that parents are adults who
Speaker 20: have responsibility for firearms, will absolutely restore those, will store
Speaker 20: them safely so that children miners do not have access
Speaker 20: to them at all.
Speaker 26: House Bill nine acts as a gun safety bill. If
Speaker 26: a kid gets a hold of their parent or guardian's
Speaker 26: gun and commits a crime, that caretaker can be charged
Speaker 26: with a misdemeanor.
Speaker 20: The purpose was not necessarily to punish adults, but the
Speaker 20: purpose was to make sure that they are thinking about
Speaker 20: what they're doing.
Speaker 1: Gun fanatics, and by gun fanatics, I mean those nutty
Speaker 1: democrats that want to take away everyone's constitutional right to
Speaker 1: self defense will never admit that conservative gun right activists
Speaker 1: are more critical on gun safety than anyone else. If
Speaker 1: you have a kid, especially a teenage boy, and you're
Speaker 1: not locking up your guns properly, then you deserve everything
Speaker 1: that's coming to you. Unless William had his eyes glued
Speaker 1: to the news, he probably had no idea that unsecured
Speaker 1: firearms could now land him in jail. You see, he
Speaker 1: wasn't paying attention. But whether he knew it or not,
Speaker 1: William Brown had just become a test case. And the
Speaker 1: thing is the guns were all over his house, big
Speaker 1: mucho Gundy, and that one.
Speaker 3: There's probably like seven or eight, and that one two
Speaker 3: hires me to send or good.
Speaker 2: We're good with this, all right?
Speaker 3: So I have here a return of inventory. All have
Speaker 3: you signed?
Speaker 2: We have secured a bunch of firearms.
Speaker 19: Okay, we didn't take any firearms, but we secured a
Speaker 19: bunch of firearms because there was a blunch just laying around.
Speaker 3: And with that new law in place, they can't just
Speaker 3: be like I guess, unsecured.
Speaker 1: Loaded, unlocked and accessible. As you just heard, there weren't
Speaker 1: just one or two guns is lying around. Deputies found
Speaker 1: at least seven firearms in a single bedroom. When they
Speaker 1: locate William Brown to explain the situation, he stands stiff,
Speaker 1: his arms crossed, wearing the blank defiance there of a
Speaker 1: toddler who knows they're in trouble but doesn't think it's fair.
Speaker 3: So here's the thing.
Speaker 19: I need you to understand that we're just we're doing
Speaker 19: our jobs. We're going to do our jobs best for
Speaker 19: our billy. I've got information about what all took place.
Speaker 19: And as far as a black suv, it's not that's
Speaker 19: that's not kind of have Okay does that make sense
Speaker 19: if you're saying I don't, I can't tell you that
Speaker 19: was that one?
Speaker 3: Okay? And I get that.
Speaker 19: But another thing that you need to understand is there's
Speaker 19: a lot of guns in that house, right and none
Speaker 19: of them are secured.
Speaker 3: I have a few that are out. You have a
Speaker 3: few that are out. Okay. With that? With that right there,
Speaker 3: you put your on your back.
Speaker 2: I don't think.
Speaker 14: Point one is it maybe didn't making the farmum accessible
Speaker 14: to a minor.
Speaker 2: Uh there's something gay ball hamor dead.
Speaker 3: So this is no degree.
Speaker 2: Yes, so there it was min that's that we have
Speaker 2: enough polls suit to uh actually a real under that
Speaker 2: stuff that it was?
Speaker 30: It was it was only guns.
Speaker 1: The bottom line is that it was normal for the
Speaker 1: Brown family to give their kids unfettered and unsupervised access
Speaker 1: to deadly weapons. It was your firearm. That line hits hard.
Speaker 1: But was William thinking about the girl his son killed
Speaker 1: or was he already thinking about how to protect himself
Speaker 1: and his son porphyria before the ink could dry on
Speaker 1: his charging documents, William started spinning his own version of
Speaker 1: events when where he was the victim, not the dead
Speaker 1: girl him. Within minutes of his arrest, the whole group
Speaker 1: was on speakerphone with his employer at the Taos County jail.
Speaker 22: Hey, I don't know what you call Danny and see
Speaker 22: either arresting me because there was a shooting at my
Speaker 22: house and they're saying, maybe, yeah, for negligent of a
Speaker 22: the load of firearm unsecured. Oh, I don't know the
Speaker 22: state police, I mean coffs already so that he's holding
Speaker 22: the phone now and I'm just calling you to They said,
Speaker 22: maybe if I see a judge, So if you can
Speaker 22: call the judges, maybe I can get out tonight.
Speaker 3: Okay. So it's like he like.
Speaker 19: He explained that he had a weapon that was not secure,
Speaker 19: his son had access to that weapon, and a fourteen
Speaker 19: year old girl was shot and killed.
Speaker 3: Yea.
Speaker 1: The while he waited for his first court appearance, something
Speaker 1: must have gotten lost in communication because Tass County had
Speaker 1: placed him on leave, but he showed up to work anyway.
Speaker 1: During the time he was there, he had a lot
Speaker 1: to say about his case.
Speaker 30: We were still getting a letter. I was trying to
Speaker 30: find a way to put him on administratively without pay,
Speaker 30: and I don't want him to say out there, we're
Speaker 30: doing in our own internal investigation for policy violations, procuring
Speaker 30: Universal to do the investigation. I don't know who's been
Speaker 30: assigned yet, but we're gonna look at our own policy
Speaker 30: right violations, and I'm gonna outside of what you guys
Speaker 30: are doing. And then the other thing that just struck me,
Speaker 30: and so I just told Jason is we may have
Speaker 30: you may have to interview the shift this morning because
Speaker 30: I don't know what was relayed to the other folks
Speaker 30: in duty because of the miscommunication he had study. He
Speaker 30: showed up to work this morning and then they pulled
Speaker 30: him aside and had him.
Speaker 25: Sit in the office.
Speaker 30: When Jason handed him the letter that he was on
Speaker 30: paid administrative leave is when he mentioned, anyways, I'm gonna
Speaker 30: be I'm gonna be back to work next week because
Speaker 30: there's no gun. They're gonna drop all the charges and
Speaker 30: I'll be back to work. And then when HR conveyed
Speaker 30: to him, hey, this isn't a bount your case, this
Speaker 30: is about policy infractions, he was like, oh, and but yeah,
Speaker 30: I was thinking about it now. He disclosed the NRA's
Speaker 30: going to pay for his legal defense, and he's not
Speaker 30: worried about it. And I thought to me, you need
Speaker 30: a bunch of cards close And it's just these little things.
Speaker 30: I know they're not linkedy conversations, but it's just I
Speaker 30: just thought it's interesting, just interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 1: William didn't seem to be worried at all. He was convinced,
Speaker 1: for some reason, that they'd never find the gun, that
Speaker 1: the NRA would put the bill for his defense, and
Speaker 1: that he'd be free of this whole inconvenient ordeal sooner
Speaker 1: rather than later. William Brown would be the first person
Speaker 1: in New Mexico tried under Benny's law. This added a
Speaker 1: political layer to the case. Even so, he was sure
Speaker 1: he'd walk.
Speaker 3: That it's not about a firearm. It's not about any firearm.
Speaker 3: It's about the.
Speaker 19: Firearm used in the killing of Miss Amberatch Schiletta.
Speaker 23: Brown testified in his own defense today, claiming none of
Speaker 23: his guns were missing after the deadly shooting. Prosecutors tried
Speaker 23: to poke holes in Brown's testimony by showing him a
Speaker 23: picture of a gun that was in his home that
Speaker 23: he didn't testify about. They reiterated investigators found unsecured guns
Speaker 23: around his home.
Speaker 29: What do we know, Well, we do know that we
Speaker 29: had a house. It was the Brown Residence, owned by
Speaker 29: the Browns, and that the guns in there belonged to
Speaker 29: mister Brown. So we've got photos of the house and
Speaker 29: of the weapons and how they were secured.
Speaker 23: Jurors took just two hours to deliberate the first of
Speaker 23: its kind case.
Speaker 13: We the jury find the defendant, William Brown, not guilty
Speaker 13: of negatine making a fire accessible to a minor, has
Speaker 13: charged in count one of the gun jury indictment or
Speaker 13: criminal information.
Speaker 1: William walked out of the court a free man. A
Speaker 1: real travesty of justice if you ask me, But sometimes
Speaker 1: Jerry's are full of idiots. So it was earth so
Speaker 1: it tracks. Had he been found guilty, he would have
Speaker 1: been facing up to eighteen months in prison, which still
Speaker 1: seems to me a bit of a walk in the
Speaker 1: park for something so serious. For Amber Archiletta's family, it
Speaker 1: felt like a second blow. The man who owned the gun,
Speaker 1: who should have known better than to leave it available
Speaker 1: for his teenager to use to flash around and brag about,
Speaker 1: had walked away a free man. But William wasn't the
Speaker 1: only one. They wanted held accountable. William's son. Porfirio, the
Speaker 1: boy who pulled the trigger, was still facing murder charges.
Speaker 18: But I know that.
Speaker 19: Die's office is going to try and have him charged
Speaker 19: as an adult. I would mope that that's like, there's
Speaker 19: no guarantee. I understand that what I would choose.
Speaker 17: Charges just for the fact that he absolutely he tried
Speaker 17: covering it up, and he drugged around and threw off
Speaker 17: that porch like the donk.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, so I definitely want him to be punished to
Speaker 3: the police, and I'm doing everything I can.
Speaker 21: At first, I was on the fins about it because
Speaker 21: they were branded, you know that she was there because suggested.
Speaker 21: But after him, what I seen her, you know, in
Speaker 21: the condition I want him is to you know, to
Speaker 21: the fullist extent.
Speaker 1: Porfarrio's first trial began in February of twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: just a few months before his father's not guilty verdict.
Speaker 1: Porfarrio was fifteen by this point and was charged as
Speaker 1: a youthful offender. It sounds counterintuitive, but this meant that
Speaker 1: he could be tried and sentenced as an adult. At trial,
Speaker 1: he faced charges of second degree murder, tampering with evidence,
Speaker 1: attempted assault of a peace officer Porphyrio Brown.
Speaker 24: He went on trial for second degree murder last week,
Speaker 24: but jurors couldn't make a unanimous decision.
Speaker 31: I think there was a lot of emotion from myself
Speaker 31: my client. It's just you put in so much effort
Speaker 31: for these trials. You really believe in your defense. When
Speaker 31: a jerry can't come to a conclusion can feel a
Speaker 31: little invalidating.
Speaker 24: Almost, Bunker says. The jury had questions about several pieces
Speaker 24: of evidence. First, the initial nine to one one call.
Speaker 31: If the story has been that my kid wanted to
Speaker 31: create this drive by story, but if you listen to
Speaker 31: the evidence on the nine to one one call, it's
Speaker 31: actually the brother who first tells nine to one one
Speaker 31: that his sister was shot in a drive by.
Speaker 1: We'll let you decide the likelihood of Frankie coming up
Speaker 1: with a story on his own versus the story coming
Speaker 1: from Porphyria, who didn't even think to call nine one
Speaker 1: one and was instead busy cleaning up what he had done.
Speaker 24: Bunker says. Jurors also asked about a hug between the
Speaker 24: brother and Brown on.
Speaker 31: Body camera while the girl is laying there dying. The
Speaker 31: brother actually comes up to my client and gives my
Speaker 31: client a huge hug, and so to me, that was
Speaker 31: very inconsistent, because why are you hugging my client if
Speaker 31: you just shot your sister.
Speaker 24: Blood on the brother's arms also came into question.
Speaker 31: He has perfect circular spots of blood on his arm,
Speaker 31: He's got blood on the back of his elbow, he
Speaker 31: has a watch on, and then.
Speaker 20: He goes home.
Speaker 31: So he and the other juvenile witness they leave the
Speaker 31: scene and they're together at another location for over an hour.
Speaker 24: Eight jurors found Brown not guilty. Four thought he was guilty,
Speaker 24: but Bunker says they all agreed on one thing.
Speaker 31: Even the four that thought he was guilty said that
Speaker 31: they thought this was an accident, and so what they're
Speaker 31: trying to charge him with is intentional murder. And all
Speaker 31: the jurors unanimously agreed. But whoever the shooter was, this
Speaker 31: was an accident.
Speaker 24: District Attorney Marcus Montoya says it's likely his office will
Speaker 24: retry the case.
Speaker 18: Guns and gun.
Speaker 29: Violence and going to control are very serious issues, and
Speaker 29: this was unnecessary and very traumatic loss of a young life.
Speaker 20: We can ever see that often.
Speaker 6: And upper loud enough.
Speaker 24: Montoya might also have a personnel issue to address connected
Speaker 24: to the case. Bunker says, the lead prosecutor wasn't there
Speaker 24: for closing arguments.
Speaker 31: We were told she went to the hospital at the
Speaker 31: judge indicated he may have smelled alcohol on her breath.
Speaker 31: So I'm entirely sure what happened there.
Speaker 12: There may be rumors about.
Speaker 29: That, nothing certainly that I can verify, And even if
Speaker 29: you know, we conducted an investigation to find that anything
Speaker 29: like that was a potentiality.
Speaker 3: That would be an internal and personal issue for me.
Speaker 2: To deal with.
Speaker 1: Bunker, what an unfortunate name. Then again, who am I
Speaker 1: to judge? Bide anyway? Rather than face a second trial,
Speaker 1: Porfario accepted a plea deal in August of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: He pleaded guilty to one single count of tampering with evidence.
Speaker 1: In exchange for accepting the deal, the remaining charges, including
Speaker 1: second degree murder, were dropped. He was expected to serve
Speaker 1: a year of probation, and by the time this episode airs,
Speaker 1: his punishment will be over, his victim will still be dead.
Speaker 3: In the end, the.
Speaker 1: Courtroom decisions can't change what happened. Amber Archiletta is gone forever.
Speaker 28: She was outgoing. She had no fear. If there was
Speaker 28: a hill, she'd climate. You know, her and her brother,
Speaker 28: you know, riding their bike. She was the one popping
Speaker 28: the hilies and ramping and stuff like that. I just
Speaker 28: want him to remember her for the sweet little thing
Speaker 28: that she was. You know, Like I say, she touched
Speaker 28: a lot of people, and I just want them to
Speaker 28: have those good memories of them.
Speaker 1: Amber took her last breaths in the dry New Mexico
Speaker 1: dirt that afternoon. She was only thirteen years old, full
Speaker 1: of creativity, making her way through adolescence, and surrounded by
Speaker 1: kids who were supposed to be her friends. This story
Speaker 1: isn't about a teenager making a horrible mistake. It's about
Speaker 1: the environment that allowed it to happen. Adults who never
Speaker 1: want to take accountability and leave weapons out within reach,
Speaker 1: laws that arrive too late, and the culture that trusts
Speaker 1: children around firearms more than the car keys or voting ballots. Oh,
Speaker 1: and also really fucking dumb jurys, because who the hell
Speaker 1: wants to get out of work to go do that shit,
Speaker 1: especially if you have a good job and like it.
Speaker 1: Imagine that.
Speaker 19: Well, we're all taught in rural areas like this gun safety,
Speaker 19: yet we all know gun safety, yeah, and that's part
Speaker 19: of our you know, that's how we brought h.
Speaker 3: I grew up in Espanola and Himita, and it was
Speaker 3: no different.
Speaker 16: You know.
Speaker 3: I knew how to handle a gun from an early.
Speaker 19: Age, and I knew that you don't point a gun
Speaker 19: at something that you're not willing to shoot exactly.
Speaker 1: But knowing the rules doesn't mean everyone follows them. You see,
Speaker 1: being an adult, not to mention, being a parent, requires
Speaker 1: that you get off your ass and actually do things
Speaker 1: that are inconvenient from time to time, like, oh, I
Speaker 1: don't know, getting a gun safe, actually using it, and
Speaker 1: actually teaching your dumb kids about gun safety and about
Speaker 1: what not to do with a deadly weapon. But who
Speaker 1: has the time when you're busy yelling at the Walmart
Speaker 1: manager and asking repeatedly why the Roota Bakus aren't on sale?
Speaker 1: They were last week, so why aren't they this week?
Speaker 1: Are you starting to see how that works?
Speaker 28: Well?
Speaker 1: That does it? For another episode of what the fuck
Speaker 1: is that guy's problem? Anyway? Or as I like to
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