Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: This is the Cult of Conspiracy and my name is Jonathan.
Speaker 1: I'm dragging today.
Speaker 2: We have back your boy, John Kerwin. Welcome back to
Speaker 2: the show, sir.
Speaker 3: What's up. It's good to be back, man. I was
Speaker 3: so glad to hear from you. Guys. This is gonna
Speaker 3: be great.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, John, I mean you you had a bunch of
Speaker 2: cult members actually reached out to us and they were like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, this John Kerwin. I fucking love this guy.
Speaker 2: Definitely got to get him back on. And uh so
Speaker 2: whenever you reached out, we were like, hell, yeah, all
Speaker 2: day baby, so awesome. What what have you been up
Speaker 2: to lately since last time?
Speaker 3: I think that is spinning. Man. I just did a talk.
Speaker 3: I just did a talk tonight. It's called hell. I
Speaker 3: have more than ten rabbit holes in my portfolio?
Speaker 1: Oh god, who has been my soul?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 1: I only I have ten rabbit holes actively working at
Speaker 1: this moment. I don't even talk.
Speaker 3: About the portfolio, man, accept do you have? Well? What
Speaker 3: Here's what happened to me? So I'm I'm just like
Speaker 3: the podcast thing has taken on a lifetime. I got
Speaker 3: like seventeen podcasts that I scheduled this month already. Wow.
Speaker 3: So it's so cool man, because and so I'm meeting
Speaker 3: all these people like you guys and the people that
Speaker 3: are just in this thing right all the way in.
Speaker 3: And but I'm noticing that there's this like linear spectrum
Speaker 3: of podcasters what their views are. And so what I
Speaker 3: started noticing is if a podcaster truther, guy or girl,
Speaker 3: it is only down a few rabbit holes, then they
Speaker 3: were the ones that would give me this advice because
Speaker 3: I talk about how my wife and my kids are
Speaker 3: barely talking to me. So yeah, so they said, well,
Speaker 3: you know, you can't ram things down people's throat and
Speaker 3: you have to let people find it out in their
Speaker 3: own time. Well, what I realized is that that advice
Speaker 3: was really mostly coming from the people that were more
Speaker 3: normy yeah, truther, okay, Because as you get daper down
Speaker 3: the rabbit hole, what happens is your urgency increases more
Speaker 3: and more. Yeah, and it gets to the point where
Speaker 3: it's like the dude that's trying to rearrange the deck
Speaker 3: chairs on the Titanic, You've just got no tolerance, yeah.
Speaker 2: You know, and going down these rabbit holes, they definitely
Speaker 2: spark open other curiosity. What else could they be lying
Speaker 2: to us about? What else could be a sham? You
Speaker 2: know what else? And it makes you really, you know,
Speaker 2: just so curious because you know how many different rabbit
Speaker 2: holes have we gone down? I mean, for God's sake,
Speaker 2: this is episode four hundred and twenty six. Dude, Oh
Speaker 2: my gosh, And.
Speaker 1: And we're literally not even close to done. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: That's crazy thing.
Speaker 2: It is because well, especially in the day and age
Speaker 2: that we're living in now, I mean, there're shit popping
Speaker 2: off day after day after day. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you heard about that shit that just happened down in Miami.
Speaker 2: All those cops and some people were talking about how
Speaker 2: they could have been eight to ten foot gray aliens
Speaker 2: walking around and.
Speaker 1: Whatever it was. It fucked those people up. Dude, we're
Speaker 1: playing on, Yeah, we're yeah, it was. It was shut
Speaker 1: it was gunned down. It's a whole thing, were plowing
Speaker 1: down this monster. There was at least last.
Speaker 2: Week January first, actually down in Miami was at a mall.
Speaker 3: And wait a minute, hold on, hold on, you're telling
Speaker 3: me there was a gun an eight foot gray alien
Speaker 3: was gunned down.
Speaker 1: We don't know exactly what there are videos. And it
Speaker 1: depends on if you want to believe these or not.
Speaker 1: But the sources that we're getting this from has not
Speaker 1: been wrong yet, So I take that with whatever grain
Speaker 1: assault you want. I'm not saying it's predator. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying it's an Ananachi. I'm saying that it's some unhuman
Speaker 1: ass shit that was getting shut up.
Speaker 2: Well, the official source, the official news to where he says, oh,
Speaker 2: it was just a couple of kids fighting in a
Speaker 2: mall or something along those lines. Well, if that's the case,
Speaker 2: then why are there over one hundred cop cars outside
Speaker 2: and the whole city is talking about this. There's so
Speaker 2: many videos. I mean, it happened at a mall. It's
Speaker 2: not like it happened at like somebody's house. Like think
Speaker 2: about all the people that were there. And people have said, like, look,
Speaker 2: and it's hard in this day and age with the internet,
Speaker 2: you know what's being doctored what's not. But I'm pretty
Speaker 2: sure I've seen videos, whether it's real or not, of
Speaker 2: these just tall ass beings walking down the street, dude.
Speaker 2: And and that's something that it's not being talked about
Speaker 2: at all. It's not on the news. It was on
Speaker 2: local news. Because they had to down in Miami. But
Speaker 2: that being said, we're gathering evidence to really try and
Speaker 2: put together a show for that one.
Speaker 3: There was a highly documented thing down in Peru in
Speaker 3: this little village got visited by they called them the
Speaker 3: face peelers, and they were like eight foot gray aliens,
Speaker 3: and they had shoes with little glowing circles on the bottom.
Speaker 3: They could levitate and fly up, and uh, you know,
Speaker 3: it was covered on the mainstream news down there. And
Speaker 3: then Timothy Alberino has been there. Uh he's like with
Speaker 3: Steve Quail and all those dudes, and he went down
Speaker 3: there and he was like, this is totally happening. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so things are ratcheting up, right.
Speaker 1: I remember hearing about it. I remember hearing about it,
Speaker 1: But the sources that I was getting that one from
Speaker 1: I couldn't verify. But I do remember hearing about it.
Speaker 1: That happened like summer of last year, didn't it.
Speaker 3: It was more recent than that. No, it's only about
Speaker 3: four or four months ago.
Speaker 1: It was recent, so we're talking like September. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3: And the one girl they got this one girl and
Speaker 3: her face they were trying to puel her face off
Speaker 3: and she got free or something. But the people saw
Speaker 3: him and shot at him and then they flew off.
Speaker 3: I mean, you talk about this stuff most people, you know,
Speaker 3: and they're like, you're not well you wait, you just wait.
Speaker 2: Oh oh face peeler, you mean frazzle drip? Is this
Speaker 2: where Hillary Clinton got it from? I mean, there's nothing new.
Speaker 1: There's precedents for this, whatsoever? Where are we ben getting
Speaker 1: this from? Like bruh, is that we're even connecting dots.
Speaker 1: We're just saying the shit that comes off the top, dude,
Speaker 1: right right, and even a deep rabbit hole in the
Speaker 1: surface level for us.
Speaker 2: And there's definitely a case to be made that some
Speaker 2: of these beings that are walking around or possibly invading might.
Speaker 1: Be evil entities.
Speaker 2: Could they be demons, Could they be you know, Nephelom,
Speaker 2: Could they be the fucking you know, the kids of
Speaker 2: the Ananaki.
Speaker 1: We don't know.
Speaker 2: But not every single story is a like rainbow and
Speaker 2: butterfly story. Whenever you hear about this kind of shit.
Speaker 3: You guys noticed that there's like a crescendo right now
Speaker 3: of sightings and talking about it. I mean, it's common, bro.
Speaker 1: It seems like a soft launch to me. Look, I
Speaker 1: think that there is so many things coming to a
Speaker 1: crescendo right now, and so so many ways. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: not even let's take two seconds away from any kind
Speaker 1: of religious prophecy or religious dogma for two seconds. Let's
Speaker 1: just look currently on the earth. What we got going on.
Speaker 1: Seven active genocides, thirteen open wars. Half of Europe is
Speaker 1: on the verge, if not already collapsing. We have open
Speaker 1: air conflict going on on the entire southern border of
Speaker 1: the United States. China is on the verge of absolutely collapsing,
Speaker 1: which means the entire world's cheap labor is about to
Speaker 1: collapse with it. Let's not even go into what the
Speaker 1: war on drugs is doing in our own country, or
Speaker 1: the fact that we just got over a bullshit sniffle
Speaker 1: virus that is going to be relaunched. Y'all just see,
Speaker 1: y'll no get well.
Speaker 2: Actually, a lot of people say that it's already happening. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're talking about some kind of some white lung disease
Speaker 2: or something like that, that it's as a result of
Speaker 2: the shot. Supposedly a lot of people are getting like
Speaker 2: RSV and stuff like that as a result. But it
Speaker 2: only turns out that it's so I can't remember. It's
Speaker 2: like white white lung or something like that. And it
Speaker 2: turns out that only the people who were vaccinated are
Speaker 2: are getting this unvaccinated. And I can actually prove this.
Speaker 2: And now I don't know about the white lung, but
Speaker 2: I can testify to the RSV and the flu or
Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it, because actually it was
Speaker 2: just last week that my wife and my son were
Speaker 2: both they both had the flu. They had like type
Speaker 2: B flu or whatever it was, and RSV. Now, my wife,
Speaker 2: before we got married, before I met her, she had
Speaker 2: already she got two of the COVID shots, right, and
Speaker 2: obviously like whenever we had the baby, like that's that's
Speaker 2: in him, right, I didn't get any of the shots,
Speaker 2: and bro, I was around them literally all the time,
Speaker 2: like this is my life. I do podcasting. I'm either
Speaker 2: podcasting or I'm home, that's it. And I was around
Speaker 2: them the whole time, kissing my baby, kissing my wife
Speaker 2: all the things.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I never got sick, right, never got sick.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, they're like fucking hock, you know, hacking up their
Speaker 2: lungs and everything else, So there might be something to it.
Speaker 1: Well, all of that to say all of that. To
Speaker 1: say that with that, all of that was during the
Speaker 1: calm times. We are now going into an election year.
Speaker 1: I was about to say that, ye just say nothing
Speaker 1: of what's going on in Ukraine and in Israel and
Speaker 1: in uh Sudan right now, or Boca Haram or what
Speaker 1: they're up to, or any sidestepping all of those beautiful
Speaker 1: talking points that all happened during the calm time. We're
Speaker 1: about to get in the timeframe where everything hits the fans.
Speaker 1: So yes, sir, well coming to QUI.
Speaker 2: That's thanks to the twenty four to seven news cycle.
Speaker 2: But also, I mean, John, you're somebody who I mean, dude,
Speaker 2: you wrote a whole damn book on Mandela effects and
Speaker 2: shit like that. So by getting into a couple more
Speaker 2: of the Mandela things that you wanted to jump into today.
Speaker 2: As far as the supernatural Bible, that's something that you
Speaker 2: had wrote that you wanted to get into, the super
Speaker 2: natural Bible changes in the Mandela effect.
Speaker 1: I've been seeing a lot of people get into this
Speaker 1: and it's weird. Bro, it's so weird. Supernatural Bible. I'm
Speaker 1: fucking pumped about this.
Speaker 3: Let's go. It's totally incredible, man, I mean it's a
Speaker 3: mind better because you know you're talking about your reality
Speaker 3: is morphine. Yeah, a lot of people take issue with that.
Speaker 3: They said that you draw in bro, you drew the
Speaker 3: line there for me. Now you now I know you're crazy.
Speaker 3: You see that with truthers, Like you'll have like devout
Speaker 3: truthers on one topic, but you try to bring another
Speaker 3: topic and oh that's ridiculous. So they act up like
Speaker 3: a normy times ten. Isn't that weird?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And that's actually this show rate here. That's it's it's
Speaker 2: a perfect like there are certain there are some things
Speaker 2: that Jacob's like, ah, that's bullshit. I don't believe that,
Speaker 2: but I'm like.
Speaker 1: Dude, it's real, it's real, it's real.
Speaker 2: And then there's also certain things that he brings up.
Speaker 2: I'm like, ah, that's bullshit, and he's like, I'm fucking
Speaker 2: telling you.
Speaker 1: Dude, it's real.
Speaker 2: And so like this is not one of those echo chambers.
Speaker 2: And that's why you know, this is that's why I
Speaker 2: love doing this because it's always like not battle. No,
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't want to put it that way,
Speaker 2: but you it's definitely somebody to challenge my thoughts and
Speaker 2: my beliefs and kind of you know, uh not not
Speaker 2: put me so much in that echo chamber to where
Speaker 2: like anything I say, you just believe I love it here.
Speaker 1: Dude, same thing. Look how many times have I told
Speaker 1: you something that I say is in the Bible and
Speaker 1: I've had somebody fact check me and comment me or
Speaker 1: DM me or something and be like, hey, bro, you
Speaker 1: said this, but it was actually and I'd like yo.
Speaker 1: This has helped me to also keep myself in check
Speaker 1: in certain respects and then also hear the opposition and
Speaker 1: here a questions that I would have never had asked
Speaker 1: in any other regards. So dude, yeah, dude, this is
Speaker 1: the perfect duality. It's a beautiful flower.
Speaker 2: But that being said, what are a couple of examples
Speaker 2: that you got over there?
Speaker 1: John? I mean, I'm very curious about to see what
Speaker 1: you got.
Speaker 4: Dude.
Speaker 3: We did wade into this last time, didn't we go.
Speaker 1: A little bit a little bit? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, because you know this topic just for folks who
Speaker 3: maybe didn't hear the other session this and you know that,
Speaker 3: let me give Mandela one on one right, So that
Speaker 3: what is it? It's the experience that like I don't know,
Speaker 3: millions of people are reporting where things that they vividly
Speaker 3: remember no longer exist as they remember them. And we're
Speaker 3: talking things like as vivid as your name. So this
Speaker 3: is not like a faded memory or something like, oh,
Speaker 3: I think I had tunic fish for lunch two days ago. No,
Speaker 3: this is like, this is what it's like. Okay, you
Speaker 3: wake up in the morning and your name is Jonathan now,
Speaker 3: but you wake up tomorrow and it's Jim, right, and
Speaker 3: you're totally freaked out. Your bank statements say Jim, your
Speaker 3: bird certificate, drivers, everything says Jim. Even people know you
Speaker 3: is Jim. And you're like, man, you go to the doctor,
Speaker 3: you get checked out, and then you don't have mental illness.
Speaker 3: Nobody's running a scam on you. You're not on drugs. Okay,
Speaker 3: so the whole situation is clean. So I mean, would
Speaker 3: you not consider like an unexplainable phenomenon.
Speaker 2: I would think that I was like picked up and
Speaker 2: picked up from this matrix and dropped into another one
Speaker 2: at that point, right, all.
Speaker 3: Right, So now this is where you'll understand what it's
Speaker 3: like to be experiencing the Mandel effect. Whether you believe
Speaker 3: it or not. There's millions of people claiming this. So
Speaker 3: why didn't you say I was I could just be
Speaker 3: misremembering when it comes to your name.
Speaker 2: Changing, because it's something that I know to my core.
Speaker 2: I know where my name is.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. So so what you're saying, what your testimony is,
Speaker 3: is that you believe the human memory is so reliable
Speaker 3: when it comes to vivid memories that even if the
Speaker 3: data sphere is telling you that your name is Jim,
Speaker 3: You're like, I don't care what the data sphere is
Speaker 3: telling me. I know what my name is, bro, my name,
Speaker 3: my whole life, my name Jim. I don't know what's
Speaker 3: going on. Okay, that's now that Now with that context,
Speaker 3: how would you feel if I I started coming to
Speaker 3: you and saying, oh, man, I can clear this up
Speaker 3: for you. You're just confusing the platters peanut guy with
Speaker 3: the Monopoly guy. You know, the memory can't be relied on, Jonathan,
Speaker 3: You're you know, you're just misremembery. How would that make
Speaker 3: you feel?
Speaker 1: Well? It would make me feel a couple of different emotions.
Speaker 2: First off, I'd probably be really pissed that I feel
Speaker 2: like everybody's in on a joke and I'm like the
Speaker 2: butt of the joke. Yeah, and if it's not that,
Speaker 2: then you know, I've actually already told my wife that
Speaker 2: the day I get Alzheimer's, just put me out, bro
Speaker 2: Like take me out to a sea and just dump
Speaker 2: me off the boat and I won't remember to swim
Speaker 2: a pasture. Just let it happen, because I don't want
Speaker 2: to live a life like that. I'll be damned if
Speaker 2: I live my remaining days that way. And I will
Speaker 2: instantly think if nobody's fucking with me, then yep, it's official.
Speaker 2: I got Alzheimer's, right, Like at that point, I like.
Speaker 1: It not a good way to go, not a good
Speaker 1: way I'm just thinking of like that. I'm actually my
Speaker 1: brain went to a very complicated way of doing that.
Speaker 1: Just like push you out of the back of a plane,
Speaker 1: but like on a life raft, like just in case
Speaker 1: the life wrap didn't like or the fall didn't kill you,
Speaker 1: Like okay, we'll give you like you know, a little
Speaker 1: bit of water. Just let let the ocean take you.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a little hard honor on there to
Speaker 1: like rig to a gas tank for a little out
Speaker 1: there Viking burial, just to know I has to clean
Speaker 1: up the disposal. It could be a thing dude, I'll
Speaker 1: be shark food. I ain't got no problem with that
Speaker 1: air drop Viking funeral. Oh my god, we could make
Speaker 1: a business out of this dull day.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean yeah, I would say probably the
Speaker 2: first emotion I would experience would be a piste offery.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, Well you can't I mean, you can't
Speaker 3: deny you. You know your name, and so so here's how
Speaker 3: I help people understand it. May be skeptical. I'll use
Speaker 3: you guys as my example. Okay, I have a memory
Speaker 3: from my childhood where my family and I went camping,
Speaker 3: and I can I can still picture the tent. It
Speaker 3: had green and yellow stripes on it. I'm like twelve
Speaker 3: or something, Okay. And then around the same time, I
Speaker 3: remember going to Campwayanda, and I could picture the cat
Speaker 3: happened that I stayed in. I remember walking to the
Speaker 3: camp all right. Now, here's my question. Which one of
Speaker 3: those memories is more vivid to me?
Speaker 2: Probably what out of the camp and the tent. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I would say the camp would be more so because
Speaker 2: you remember actually going there. The tent would just be
Speaker 2: inside of the place that you went to.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess I guess it depends on
Speaker 1: the experience, right, Like, let's say that for whatever reason,
Speaker 1: some profound moment happened with your dad on that camping
Speaker 1: tramp and like you glanced around, and that's why the
Speaker 1: tent for whatever reason, that image just got imprinted on
Speaker 1: it as a core memory as opposed to the camp
Speaker 1: where you had more experiences and saw more people in
Speaker 1: sites and sounds, there's more memories to make of it
Speaker 1: as opposed to that one super key core mean exactly,
Speaker 1: I could see the point.
Speaker 3: I actually researched what determines how vivid the memory is
Speaker 3: in humans. There's been studies on it, and you would
Speaker 3: think that it was how many times it's repeated, But
Speaker 3: that's actually like second or third as the reason why
Speaker 3: a memory is vivid. So here's my point. I start
Speaker 3: giving the example of your your name is different as
Speaker 3: an example of what it's like to experience Mandela, and
Speaker 3: people say, oh, well that's different. You know, your memory
Speaker 3: is repeated over and over again, so of course that's
Speaker 3: a vivid. But you know the monopoly guy not having
Speaker 3: a monocle. No no, no, no, no, you can't dictate
Speaker 3: to me how vivid memory is. Nobody knows that Dans
Speaker 3: chapter two says nobody knows the spirit of a man
Speaker 3: except the man.
Speaker 2: Indeed, Amen, sir, Amen to that big a bull.
Speaker 3: So that's it right there, in a nutshell, that's what
Speaker 3: it's like. It's not up for debate, okay, because what
Speaker 3: you now have, and you can confirm this is you
Speaker 3: can go to TikTok and I don't know how many
Speaker 3: channels you find, hundreds thousands. I set it up so
Speaker 3: I can see how many searches are on YouTube. There's
Speaker 3: about three hundred thousands searches. I think it's a day.
Speaker 3: It might be a month either way for the term
Speaker 3: and Dell effect on just on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's probably per day.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So it's just thousands and thousands of channels,
Speaker 3: some of them like Jacob Israel's channel. He's got two
Speaker 3: hundred thousand subscribers just on that one channel. Wow. So
Speaker 3: this is not a few people in their mom's basement
Speaker 3: and it's being amplified by the Internet.
Speaker 1: Please, right, Yeah, there's a there's not some kind of.
Speaker 2: Mass psychosis going on here, Like there's.
Speaker 3: Definitely could be that.
Speaker 1: Okay, but how do you explain that?
Speaker 3: Then? Mas?
Speaker 1: You thank you if you will.
Speaker 3: Never before in history has there been any recorded event
Speaker 3: where at least hundreds of thousands, probably millions of people
Speaker 3: are all reporting that many, many things in their life
Speaker 3: are now no longer as vividly remembered. So so my
Speaker 3: first observation for all your listeners is this, since since
Speaker 3: nothing like this has ever happened, and you can verify
Speaker 3: that there's hundreds of thousands or millions of people reporting
Speaker 3: that their world has turned upside down, okay, and it's
Speaker 3: never happened to them before, would you agree that that
Speaker 3: in and of itself is a phenomenon?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, So let me so why this is
Speaker 3: so important? Because the number one argument to explain the
Speaker 3: Mandel effect is you're just misremembering.
Speaker 2: So it couldn't be a phenomenon if you're just missing man,
Speaker 2: got you?
Speaker 1: Okay? All right?
Speaker 3: Can't it both way?
Speaker 1: Break that down? The way you break it down.
Speaker 3: Is seven years, seven years, and I just get hammered
Speaker 3: with your misremembery No, because you can't have it both ways.
Speaker 3: What that is misremembering argument is trying to put something
Speaker 3: unexplainable back into a naturalistic Oh I could clear this
Speaker 3: up for you, John, You're just confusing the platter's peanut
Speaker 3: guy with the Monopoly guy. Well, is that a fact
Speaker 3: or is that your opinion? I mean, how do you
Speaker 3: crawl in my head and know whatever? Right?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's you know, we're ultimately trying to find
Speaker 2: proof at this point of another reality, and if we're
Speaker 2: no longer in that reality, then it's gonna be very
Speaker 2: difficult to find proof unless it's being manipulated on purpose.
Speaker 2: And this is where some people will say, See, they're
Speaker 2: they're you know, they're they're erasing all the books, they're
Speaker 2: book burning, and they're getting rid of all the data,
Speaker 2: the whole dead Internet theory and everything else. And until somebody,
Speaker 2: you know, maybe goes up in their attic and they
Speaker 2: find an old box from twenty years ago and they
Speaker 2: go into the fucking Monopoly board game and they whip
Speaker 2: out one of those Monopoly dollar bills and wouldn't you
Speaker 2: know it a fucking monocle being worn by the Monopoly guy.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, this shit happens all the time.
Speaker 2: So what reality are we living in? And is that
Speaker 2: old reality that we remember everything from is it slowly
Speaker 2: being pulled away or was it a snap and it
Speaker 2: just happened like that. That's you know, that's the weird
Speaker 2: thing you got to look into with that, you know.
Speaker 1: Let me throw out a hypothetical. Man, Now, we know
Speaker 1: that the government has technology right now that we won't
Speaker 1: see for another thirty to arguably fifty years, right at
Speaker 1: least in the in the very best example is possible,
Speaker 1: we could say twenty years. Okay, So that means that
Speaker 1: the government has had AI operationally and working since at
Speaker 1: least the nineties. That is your biggest fear with any
Speaker 1: hear me out real quick, just for two seconds. We
Speaker 1: know that AI right now could go and scrub the
Speaker 1: entire Internet of something to where you'll never find it
Speaker 1: again if you.
Speaker 2: Program it to do that right one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: So what do you think could have possibly happened with
Speaker 1: some technology we've never heard of back in the day,
Speaker 1: when like cable news network was like a credible source.
Speaker 1: How easy would it have been to change everything immediately?
Speaker 1: Just rewrite some computer codes to where the planner's peanut
Speaker 1: guy looks like this, the monopoly cards no longer have
Speaker 1: the monocle, and like never mention it to anybody and
Speaker 1: then immediately stop mentioning it online. Go ahead and change it,
Speaker 1: and everybody's like, how easy do you think that would
Speaker 1: actually be to accomplish?
Speaker 2: Way back then, well, there's that, But then you know,
Speaker 2: the big question is is like, okay, let's say AI
Speaker 2: is really the one taking it all off the internet.
Speaker 1: That's only the internet. No, no, no, But I'm saying
Speaker 1: the Mandela effect that everybody starts thinking about what would
Speaker 1: you say in your experience and your your studies on this,
Speaker 1: You say that it's a mass group of people that,
Speaker 1: for the first time in human history are saying this, right?
Speaker 1: Is it all based around arguably the seventies, eighties or nineties.
Speaker 3: The awareness of this eventmen, Yes.
Speaker 1: When people really started saying like, wait a minute, hold on,
Speaker 1: that doesn't make sense. I remember this. When would you
Speaker 1: say that that really started to take hold?
Speaker 2: Well, that kicked off with the Mandela effect?
Speaker 1: Well no, no, no, nodella right, right? And when did
Speaker 1: that really become a thing?
Speaker 3: Markers? One of them, interestingly enough, is July twenty seventeen,
Speaker 3: which is right, is the exact month that CERN claims
Speaker 3: to turn up their collider to one hundred percent power? Yes,
Speaker 3: July twenty seventeen. If you look at Google analytics on
Speaker 3: the term Mendel effect. That's when the scale goes straight up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I have come.
Speaker 3: To believe that the D wave computer is at least
Speaker 3: partially responsible for the mandelifect. And I'll tell you why.
Speaker 3: You guys ever listen to Cliff High at all.
Speaker 1: The name's familiar, don't.
Speaker 3: All, right, Cliff high is He's like, he's like, uh,
Speaker 3: mega mind, Okay, this guy's IQ's off the charts. So
Speaker 3: he's a he's a linguist and a programmer. Back in
Speaker 3: the eighties, he decided to make like a spider that
Speaker 3: goes out on the Internet to search what people were
Speaker 3: talking about to try to get edge to trade stock.
Speaker 3: So he was gonna get the people are chatting about
Speaker 3: and then have these algorithms that would give him a
Speaker 3: leg up on what stocks to buy before they went up, right, Okay, okay,
Speaker 3: So what happened was is the thing started bringing returns
Speaker 3: back that were making predictions. He called it the data set.
Speaker 3: And I was watching him when he was rolling this out,
Speaker 3: and I remember once specifically he said, the data set
Speaker 3: indicates that a lake in Peru is going to empty
Speaker 3: out overnight. So I'm like, okay, I put it on
Speaker 3: my phone, I'm bros, I'm telling youse. Guy's my witness.
Speaker 3: Like two months later, at Lake in Peru, emptied out overnight.
Speaker 3: I was like what, so did it? He did? How?
Speaker 1: And why it was gonna happen or just that.
Speaker 3: I I don't remember specifics. All I remember is when
Speaker 3: I saw that happen, I was like what And so
Speaker 3: I started watching them closer, and there was like two
Speaker 3: or three other predictions. There's no way he could have known. Okay,
Speaker 3: So what he basically found out is that human beings
Speaker 3: are minorly clairvoyant, is what he said. Oh, and they
Speaker 3: are talking about things that they're getting, like a vibe
Speaker 3: from the quantum real Like me and my kids used
Speaker 3: to stand when you get a bank of elevators and
Speaker 3: you would sense which elevator the door was going to open.
Speaker 1: We play that game, yeah, and I.
Speaker 3: Would always have an exceedingly high number of guessing it right.
Speaker 3: And there's been three times in my life. Remember one
Speaker 3: time we were at our house and the power went out.
Speaker 3: So me and my brother and my wife were sitting
Speaker 3: on the front porch and the power had been out
Speaker 3: for like four hours. Okay, so I'm sitting there and
Speaker 3: we're just talking and that this was so weird because
Speaker 3: I didn't think about it. I wonder if the power's
Speaker 3: going to come on. Now, I'm sitting there and all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, just out of my mouth comes the
Speaker 3: power is going to go on in six seconds. It
Speaker 3: just came out of my mouth. And my brother, because
Speaker 3: I'd done this once before with him, he knew I
Speaker 3: had that, like gift or whatever. So he starts counting
Speaker 3: down five, four, three, two one pop. Power came back. Gone.
Speaker 3: All right. So people call it the Accostic records. They
Speaker 3: call it whatever you're tapped in, God speaking to you.
Speaker 3: Whatever it is, there is a connection that we can
Speaker 3: have that it's not from your head. There's a scripture
Speaker 3: that talks about it. It says the peace of God
Speaker 3: which passes knowledge, Keep your heart in Christ Jesus. So epigonosis.
Speaker 3: You can have a knowing like people that didn't get
Speaker 3: on the Titanic because they had an what do you
Speaker 3: call it, not intuition but a sixth sense, a premonition. Yeah, right,
Speaker 3: a my spidey sentense is thing I'm not going.
Speaker 2: Same thing with the Twin Towers and nine to eleven y. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there is definitely some kind of you know, and and
Speaker 2: I don't know what kind of like state you have
Speaker 2: to be in mentally in order to be able to
Speaker 2: perceive those premonitions or those those little nudges from the
Speaker 2: other side.
Speaker 1: So to say, who's to say that's not hereditary. The
Speaker 1: Bible also talks about hereditary blessings and hereditary curses. So
Speaker 1: is it possible if you have some sort of spiritual
Speaker 1: gift from your bloodline somehow hereditarily passed? Was to say
Speaker 1: that happen.
Speaker 3: All of us have this. This called it minor clairvonence.
Speaker 3: So what happened was just to give him some creds. First, Okay,
Speaker 3: so the guy's totally got creds. So what he did
Speaker 3: then was he pointed the spider at the geographic location
Speaker 3: of the D wave of computers, and he said there
Speaker 3: was a direct correlation between where these things were located.
Speaker 3: Like Columbia has one, Google has one, there's more than one.
Speaker 3: He said, there was a very high concentration of reports
Speaker 3: of Mandela effects in and around the D wave of
Speaker 3: computer which was very compelling data. Right. Well, then he
Speaker 3: explains how the cube it works. So Jordi Rose is
Speaker 3: the D Way guy and he talked about how they
Speaker 3: deposit the product. He called it into another dimension, because
Speaker 3: when you go to the quantum realm where things are
Speaker 3: super tiny, it's actually another dimension. So they utilize this
Speaker 3: difference of these dimensions, and this is how the cubits work.
Speaker 3: They work on probabilities, whereas the regular computer just works
Speaker 3: on ones and zeros. There's actually four probabilities for the
Speaker 3: same thing, so it can do in a second what
Speaker 3: a tray a craze supercomputer would take a month to do.
Speaker 3: It's bizarre, right.
Speaker 2: A cubit is the tiniest little uh like information holder
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 3: Well, I give to explain what a cub it is,
Speaker 3: but here's here's what they found. Human intent would disrupt
Speaker 3: the cube its ability to function, so it would be
Speaker 3: operating and somebody would walk by and it would shut
Speaker 3: it down. So they had to begin then place the
Speaker 3: cube it inside of a canister and bring it down
Speaker 3: to close to zero Calvin to try to create a
Speaker 3: vacuum of human awareness for the cubit.
Speaker 1: WHOA.
Speaker 3: Well, then that didn't even work as well because you
Speaker 3: still have to have a regular computer to program it.
Speaker 3: And so when you programmed it with the keyboard, that
Speaker 3: was like putting human intent and it wouldn't work. So
Speaker 3: they literally had to create this elaborate and like mousetrap
Speaker 3: thing where you put the what you want the computer
Speaker 3: to do, and then it would send a ball down
Speaker 3: in a little slope and then it would blow air.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, it's so bizarre man to completely isolate
Speaker 3: the cube it from any human intent. All right, So
Speaker 3: what you basically have. You have a human intent vacuum
Speaker 3: or a human awareness vacuum in space, right and from
Speaker 3: that point in space out from there is a concentration
Speaker 3: of Mandela effect reports. Think about that for ten seconds.
Speaker 3: That's a mind blow.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, dude.
Speaker 2: Yes, we know how how strong the human intent is
Speaker 2: whenever it's whenever it gets into Like we've talked about
Speaker 2: the random number generator that if you have the intention
Speaker 2: on a scale of one to ten, if you have
Speaker 2: the intention on a specific number, then the possibilities, the
Speaker 2: percentage of a chance of it actually getting on the
Speaker 2: number that you had intended in your mind, we'll raise like,
Speaker 2: I think fifteen or twenty percent.
Speaker 1: So what the hell is that?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: What, like, why is our intent so strong at manipulating
Speaker 2: things outside of us? That we're not even speaking into existence,
Speaker 2: it's just thought form.
Speaker 3: So cool. Did you guys ever study the like the
Speaker 3: two slitting experiment?
Speaker 1: Absolutely?
Speaker 3: Man, that tells the story because basically what it proved
Speaker 3: is that our construct is interacting with us and essentially
Speaker 3: morphing to our belief systems, our thoughts, and our intentions.
Speaker 3: Has to do with intentions because when you when you
Speaker 3: were just spraying the particles, you only got two lines
Speaker 3: on the photo electric cell. But as soon as you
Speaker 3: turned the camera on, the particles stopped acting like particles
Speaker 3: and they started acting like waves, and you got a
Speaker 3: displacement pattern, and they were like what Then they turned
Speaker 3: the camera off and went back to particles. They turned
Speaker 3: the camera on, it went back to waves. It freaked scientists.
Speaker 2: So it's not even the human that is observing. It
Speaker 2: could just be anything observing it even something as like
Speaker 2: simple as a camera.
Speaker 1: Basically adams know when they're being watched the observer effect.
Speaker 3: Wow, So what does that tell you?
Speaker 2: Well, this rate here, I mean you're talking about you know,
Speaker 2: sending information through through a vacuum of human awareness, essentially
Speaker 2: getting rid of the human awareness factor at all, so
Speaker 2: that it doesn't play any factor into determining whatever kind
Speaker 2: of information it stumbles across, and that you know that
Speaker 2: being kind of siphoned away and separated is allowing this
Speaker 2: machine or whatever to determine what the future is.
Speaker 3: Well, all I'm saying the observation that I'm making is
Speaker 3: you know, because you asked, how is this happening? Or
Speaker 3: you know, how's it happening? Well, that's my best shot
Speaker 3: at explaining what's causing the Mandel effect. I don't think
Speaker 3: it's the only thing, but there if he's not lying,
Speaker 3: then there seems to be a direct correlation between a
Speaker 3: human awareness vacuum and space and then a higher concentration
Speaker 3: of reports. Because remember his spider goes out onto the
Speaker 3: Internet and it listens to all the people talking and
Speaker 3: then it maps what the data is. So he gets
Speaker 3: a data set and he could see graphically that there's
Speaker 3: a higher concentration in and around the D wave where
Speaker 3: there's a human awareness vacuum. That's crazy, man.
Speaker 2: So this spider is is it essentially like an AI
Speaker 2: that is going out and just collecting a bunch of information?
Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 3: It's very sophisticated, and I've listened to him and talk
Speaker 3: about how he programs it, and your mind just melts
Speaker 3: because the guy's super genius. So it's basically looking at
Speaker 3: it's looking at the emotional quality of the words, you know,
Speaker 3: like I could say hi, or I could say hey man,
Speaker 3: So there's emotional intensity that it measures. And then a
Speaker 3: number of times it's set and there are different words,
Speaker 3: and he puts it all together and then it comes
Speaker 3: back with a data set that then is making predictions
Speaker 3: about the future. It's really cool, dude, you know.
Speaker 2: And a lot of people got real sketched out whenever
Speaker 2: they actually started building CERN. And then the statues they
Speaker 2: put outside a fucking CERN, which is the Hindu Shiva
Speaker 2: the Destroyer, which a lot of people found very you know, intriguing.
Speaker 1: Of all things.
Speaker 2: You're trying to create some kind of black hole or
Speaker 2: some other open up another dimension or something like that,
Speaker 2: and you put fucking Shiva the Destroyer out in front
Speaker 2: of your building, bro, Like, what kind of message does
Speaker 2: that send?
Speaker 1: And let's not forget that America was trying to build
Speaker 1: one better than they did. They had what they soak
Speaker 1: like thirteen billion dollars into a giant hole in Texas
Speaker 1: that was supposed to be the absolute latest and greatest
Speaker 1: and best collider ever. And then they just said fuck
Speaker 1: it and just said no, we're not funding this anymore
Speaker 1: because Reagan got out of office.
Speaker 3: No way.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it was a massive project. They had
Speaker 1: all the best engineers working on it. They had a
Speaker 1: collider going on in California, and the Reagan came in
Speaker 1: and basically just wanted to pump as much money as
Speaker 1: he could into all the sciences, all the technology. If
Speaker 1: there was a way for us to have an advantage
Speaker 1: over everybody else, we had to do it. And so yeah,
Speaker 1: it was the super conducting super collider. Oh right, And
Speaker 1: uh yeah, that was a big thing. It was built
Speaker 1: underground in Texas and only like I want to say,
Speaker 1: like a quarter of it, actually the whole for a
Speaker 1: quarter of it got dug and then less of it
Speaker 1: even got built. And then they just said yeah, never mind,
Speaker 1: because whenever they realized how expensive it was actually going
Speaker 1: to be, they low balled the budget so bad and
Speaker 1: then it was mismanaged and mismanaged and mismanaged so bad
Speaker 1: that it was like thirteen billion dollars that they just burned.
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, never mind.
Speaker 2: They were trying to create another dimension for all those
Speaker 2: Cowboys fans because they haven't won a playoff game in forever.
Speaker 2: They were like, this isn't the one get us in
Speaker 2: another dimension?
Speaker 3: Oh my god?
Speaker 2: But anyway, yeah, dude, so what's an example of a
Speaker 2: biblical Mandela effect that has actually gone on? I know
Speaker 2: that last time you kind of brought up about what
Speaker 2: was it, the the wolf and the lion or something
Speaker 2: like that, the lamb and the lion or something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, yep, yep. I'm give you a couple of examples.
Speaker 3: But let me just finish on CERN, because what's so
Speaker 3: incredibly cool about CERN is what you started talking about.
Speaker 3: But there's way more than that. If you look at
Speaker 3: their logo, it's clearly a six sixty six. Now this
Speaker 3: is supposed to be a bunch of scientists, right. They
Speaker 3: put out a video. The only video they put out
Speaker 3: is called Synchronicity. You can look it up on YouTube. Okay,
Speaker 3: that's what it's called synchronicity. I'll look at it. Make
Speaker 3: sure I got the name mark. It is the most
Speaker 3: a cultic, uh?
Speaker 1: Is that the one where they talk about how they're
Speaker 1: going in working with dark matter, antimatter and they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I talked about it.
Speaker 3: People dancing around, and it's got these dude like this
Speaker 3: dude that looks like Satan and all this stuff falling
Speaker 3: into the abyss and uh, let me see.
Speaker 2: Hold on, sir, here, we got to rate here for
Speaker 2: all the Patreon rock fan members, the CERN logo clearly
Speaker 2: looks like a bunch of sixes, just like the Google Chrome.
Speaker 1: Now, what they are gonna say is that that is no,
Speaker 1: that's supposed to be remnant of the arc that the
Speaker 1: Adams travel through their collider thing. I'm sure that that's
Speaker 1: what they're gonna say. However, that's way too many tubes
Speaker 1: and this is supposed to be a figure eight.
Speaker 2: This is symmetry.
Speaker 3: It's it's not I said it. The video is symmetry.
Speaker 3: So if you look at their video, it is it's
Speaker 3: so bizarre. It's just all this dark a cult imagery
Speaker 3: with dancing and this guy that's dressed in a robe
Speaker 3: and he's falling it. I mean, it's totally a cult.
Speaker 3: It's totally cult. Now, the Bible in the Book of
Speaker 3: Revelation actually talks about CERN. In my humble opinion, this
Speaker 3: Revelation chapter nine and the Fifth Angel sounded, and I
Speaker 3: saw a star fall from heaven onto the earth, and
Speaker 3: to him, this is the Angel, was given a key
Speaker 3: of the bottomless pit, and he opened the bottomless pit,
Speaker 3: and there arose of smoke out of the pit, as
Speaker 3: the smoke of a gray furnace, and the sun and
Speaker 3: the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of
Speaker 3: the pit, and that came out to fit the smoke
Speaker 3: of locusts, and unto them was given the power of scorpions,
Speaker 3: and over all the power of the earth. Um, come on,
Speaker 3: where is.
Speaker 2: It the internet? Always doing Internet things? That's wild, dude,
Speaker 2: that's not it.
Speaker 3: I got you gotta give me another second.
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Speaker 3: Ah, all right, I actually I was in the right place.
Speaker 3: I just didn't read far off. This verse eleven says this,
Speaker 3: and they had a king over them, which is the
Speaker 3: Angel of the Bottomless Fit, whose name in the Hebrew
Speaker 3: tongue was the Baden, but in the Greek tongue his
Speaker 3: name is a Polyon. Okay. So here's the long story short.
Speaker 3: An angel is given a key.
Speaker 5: The key is Cern, okay, and out of the pit
Speaker 5: with the key comes this dude who's the ruler of
Speaker 5: all these bad you know, hybrid dudes. Right, scorp flying scorpions.
Speaker 5: It's bad scenario, bad juju. Right, we'll check this out.
Speaker 3: The town in France where cern hold On, where Cern
Speaker 3: is situated, is called Saint Genus Polia. The name Polia
Speaker 3: comes from the Latin Apolycum, and it just believes that
Speaker 3: in roment times a temple existed in honor of Apollo,
Speaker 3: and the people who lived there believed that it was
Speaker 3: a gateway to the underworld. Ha, what dude. The Cern
Speaker 3: is built on an ancient temple to the god Apollo,
Speaker 3: and the Bible says that the key will be given
Speaker 3: and out down he'll come, and they'll open the pit,
Speaker 3: and out of the pit will come Apollion.
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. On a cult level, Apollo, the
Speaker 1: sun god, is very very very important because the occult
Speaker 1: takes that into what is known as the Black Sun
Speaker 1: or the bastardization of the good and the holy. So
Speaker 1: when you have a cult turning in with the alchemy
Speaker 1: and then the city built off of what they said
Speaker 1: was oh man, it's insane.
Speaker 2: You know, none of that really surprises me because you know,
Speaker 2: you look into Aleister Crowley and his favorite kind of
Speaker 2: magic was chaos magic, right, And we actually just covered
Speaker 2: this last night on Meta. But what's really interesting about
Speaker 2: chaos magic is, you know, anytime you can kind of
Speaker 2: label anything as good, right, like.
Speaker 1: The you know what, let me actually pull it up here.
Speaker 2: There's something no I know that, but in your mind
Speaker 2: you can label it as good, and there's uh, there's
Speaker 2: there's stuff you can do with that.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Let me let me actually pull it
Speaker 1: up here.
Speaker 2: Like brainwashing essentially, Yeah, you're you can brainwash yourself to
Speaker 2: believe that everything that's happening to you is a good thing.
Speaker 2: It says the founding figures of Chaos Magic believed that
Speaker 2: that other occult traditions had to had become too religious
Speaker 2: in character. They attempted to strip away the symbolic, ritualistic, theological,
Speaker 2: or otherwise ornamental aspects of these occult traditions to leave
Speaker 2: behind a set of basic techniques that that uh that
Speaker 2: they believe to be the basis of magic. Chaos magic
Speaker 2: teaches that the essence of magic is that perceptions are
Speaker 2: conditioned by beliefs, and that the the world that we
Speaker 2: as the that the world as we perceive it, can
Speaker 2: be changed by deliberately changing those beliefs. Chaos magicians subsequently
Speaker 2: treat belief as a tool, often creating their own idiosyncratic
Speaker 2: magical systems and frequently frequently borrowing from other magical traditions,
Speaker 2: religious movements, popular culture, and various strands of philosophy. So
Speaker 2: it's it's so to say, well, what is that right there?
Speaker 2: Their emblem is that a black Son?
Speaker 5: Sir?
Speaker 2: Oh, you know what, I'm not even sharing this with
Speaker 2: the cult members, but let me go ahead the share.
Speaker 1: That with the class bro because as we're talking about
Speaker 1: black Son and the Apollo, which would be the opposite
Speaker 1: for the occult reasons concern being what they are, that
Speaker 1: sure looks like a black Son to me, sir, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it says.
Speaker 2: The symbol of chaos originates from Michael Moore cox elric
Speaker 2: of Something stories and their dichotomy of law and chaos
Speaker 2: in them. The symbol of chaos comprises eight arrows in
Speaker 2: a radial pattern. Hmm, interest magic All right, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: I just kind of wanted to bring that up because
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, the essentially, if you get
Speaker 2: deep enough into chaos magic, whenever you stub your toe
Speaker 2: in the morning and it's hurting like a bitch, you
Speaker 2: can train your mind to think, oh, yes, that was
Speaker 2: such a good thing, thank god that happened to me
Speaker 2: this morning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you enjoy pain. There's a whole thing.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the essence of magic, is like essentially right, Well,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's essentially your your brainwashing yourself to believe
Speaker 2: that everything that's happening to you is for a good,
Speaker 2: magical reason.
Speaker 3: This is a cool topic. I'm actually doing a lot
Speaker 3: of research on this right now. I'm developing a talk
Speaker 3: which is basically, you know, you got the guys that
Speaker 3: teach the secret and manifesting. There's a lot of validity
Speaker 3: to what they're saying. And then you got the staith
Speaker 3: prosperity people who ran with that and they made it work.
Speaker 3: So there's a scripture in Genesis, chapter thirty, verse thirty seven.
Speaker 3: It says Jacob took for himself rods of green poplar
Speaker 3: and of the almond and chestnut trees. He peeled white
Speaker 3: stripes in them and exposed the white which was on
Speaker 3: the rods and the rods which he peeled. He set
Speaker 3: the flocks in gutters in the watering troughs where the
Speaker 3: flocks would drink, so that they should conceive when they
Speaker 3: because he kind of deal with Laban. He said, all
Speaker 3: the cow that are born spotted will be mine, yep,
Speaker 3: and then all of the ones that aren't spotted be yours.
Speaker 3: So he takes a rod and he makes spots on it,
Speaker 3: and he sticks it where they drink water.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: What the Bible tells us is, look.
Speaker 1: It's a bit of a schemer. That's actually what the
Speaker 1: name Jacob means.
Speaker 3: That's right, No shit, huh Yeah, you would know, wouldn't you.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't. Fact, I wouldn't schem it is scheamer and
Speaker 1: or grabber of thy brother's ankle if you will. Hey,
Speaker 1: you haven't grabbed our ankle yet. Nah. Nah, we hadn't
Speaker 1: gotten into that position yet. I suppose maybe one day.
Speaker 3: Ah, all right, we'll check this out Verse forty one.
Speaker 3: And it came to pass whenever the stronger livestock conceived
Speaker 3: that Jacob placed the rods before the eyes of the
Speaker 3: livestock in the gutters, that they might conceive among the rods.
Speaker 3: But when the flocks were feedeble, he didn't put them in,
Speaker 3: and so the feebler were labans in this. So basically,
Speaker 3: what the Bible's clearly stating here is that by putting
Speaker 3: the image of the spots in front of the cattle,
Speaker 3: it changed their DNA and they gave fourth birth to
Speaker 3: spotted cow. Oh no, it's the only conclusion I can
Speaker 3: come to. But then I started finding all these examples.
Speaker 3: Jesus cursed the fig tree, no man shall eat of
Speaker 3: you from this day forth. The next day they came by,
Speaker 3: and his disciples were like, Lord, the tree that you
Speaker 3: cursed has died. He didn't pray to the father, Father,
Speaker 3: I ask you the curse. He did it right, Okay,
Speaker 3: Mark eleven twenty three. Whosoever she'll say to this mountain
Speaker 3: be that removed casting scenes, shall not down in his heart.
Speaker 3: But believe these things he says, should come the past,
Speaker 3: he will have whatever he says. That's what the faith
Speaker 3: prosperity people taught. Yeah, well, Jesus taught it okay. And
Speaker 3: my point is this, he didn't say, Father God, Okay,
Speaker 3: it's not a prayer to God, please remove the mountain. No,
Speaker 3: he spoke to the mountain. Yeah, okay, So now that's
Speaker 3: what you said. The basis of magic is using your
Speaker 3: mind or basically what's called guide imagery to affect your
Speaker 3: reality like the two slit e Sperim. Whoa.
Speaker 2: It's just like with Neo in Bending the spoon. He's
Speaker 2: not actually bending it, right, he's bending his reality essentially.
Speaker 3: Well, we're what we're trying to say is is that
Speaker 3: because I'm coming from a biblical worldview, right, I was
Speaker 3: in the church. I'm the youth pastor worship leader, ten
Speaker 3: years full time, twenty years lay ministry. So I'm in
Speaker 3: the church, right Yeah, And there's the stigma and it's taboo. Okay.
Speaker 3: If I invoke Satan to bring healing, then that's sorcery,
Speaker 3: you know, twitchcraft. That's a no no, okay, there's no
Speaker 3: ambiguity there, right. If I pray for God to heal
Speaker 3: you in the name of Jesus, there's no confusion among
Speaker 3: Christians there either. But But if I if I spend
Speaker 3: time visualizing like I have on my wall, that I'm
Speaker 3: going to sell fifty two books a day and I've
Speaker 3: twenty five thousand in my account, which you don't. I
Speaker 3: have eight hundred in my account, and I have a
Speaker 3: new car and a new truck, and there's my house.
Speaker 3: It's all on the wall, and I practice envisioning that
Speaker 3: at night when I go to bed in the morning.
Speaker 3: Is that witchcraft? Is that saucery? No? Because there's certainly
Speaker 3: biblical examples throughout my Bible of God's people using this
Speaker 3: practice of what's basically guided imagery, same thing the uh
Speaker 3: secret people are doing.
Speaker 1: Mm.
Speaker 3: But it's basically what I'm coming to. The collusion is
Speaker 3: it's guilt by association. Well, if those ungodly New age
Speaker 3: people are doing it, then it's not of God. Well
Speaker 3: that's not necessarily true. That's like that's like if the
Speaker 3: devil tells me the sky is blue? Okay, does that
Speaker 3: mean that I don't believe the sky is blue because
Speaker 3: the devil told me? Right?
Speaker 1: Exactly? Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean there's definitely certain things that the human mind
Speaker 2: is capable of, that of which you know, probably has
Speaker 2: been forgotten about for you know, many many generations, but
Speaker 2: a lot of people have have for a lack of
Speaker 2: a better word, brainwashed themselves into manipulating their own reality.
Speaker 2: Call it magic, call it manifestation, call it whatever the
Speaker 2: hell you want. It's definitely not calling upon no devil.
Speaker 2: I mean, there are definitely cases where people are I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that that's not happening, but you know I would.
Speaker 2: I'm somebody, you know, I created a whole second podcast
Speaker 2: because of this shit. I want to know what we're
Speaker 2: absolutely capable of And if Jesus was able to look
Speaker 2: at a mountain without calling upon God, and he was
Speaker 2: able to do that himself being just a regular dude,
Speaker 2: like human, Yeah, human, right.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And it's kind of like, yeah, I would like to learn,
Speaker 2: you know, if we're capable of doing that shit, well, no.
Speaker 3: One step further, we're already manifesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: In other words, whatever, you know, you walk around all
Speaker 3: day sucking your teeth, rolling your eyes, and I'm a
Speaker 3: wiggly worm. All that's all. That's The data is sure
Speaker 3: is going to give you exactly what you expect. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so you just have to choose to craft your own reality.
Speaker 3: And basically what we're learning in quantum physics is that
Speaker 3: there's an infinite number of probabilities. So you basically are
Speaker 3: able to place an order for what it is that
Speaker 3: you do want, and then the key is experiencing it
Speaker 3: because in the subconscious there is no past future, there's
Speaker 3: only now.
Speaker 1: See now. Also to your point about how like look
Speaker 1: if the spiritual people are saying that it must be
Speaker 1: of Satan, no, there's Look, I'll give you a perfect
Speaker 1: example of that, saging your house. I did that earlier today.
Speaker 1: So let me let me break this down, queen saving
Speaker 1: your house. You take a bundle of sage, which is
Speaker 1: an herb. It naturally grows, and you burn it and
Speaker 1: the smoke it is called smudging or saging, if you will.
Speaker 1: And a lot of quote unquote witchy people do this,
Speaker 1: and it's been done throughout many cultures, Native Americans, throughout Europe.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of precedents for this. Here's the deal.
Speaker 1: Christians will tell you, or a lot of Christians will
Speaker 1: tell you that is witchcraft has been done by the
Speaker 1: witches for forever, saging a place before they do their ceremonies.
Speaker 1: Dot dot dot. It's evil. Here's the problem. It's not
Speaker 1: actually now if it's being used for evil purposes, then fine.
Speaker 1: But if you actually look at what sage does and
Speaker 1: why it's been used to make someone feel more at
Speaker 1: peace within a home, it is basically the most ancient
Speaker 1: form of an air purifier that we have. That smoke
Speaker 1: goes into the air, it actually sucks the toxins out
Speaker 1: of the air and safely drops them to the floor
Speaker 1: in the form of microscopic dust. Saging your home actually
Speaker 1: does rid the air of toxins. It's a scientific thing. Now.
Speaker 1: If somebody wants to put that to a spiritual level,
Speaker 1: fine have at it. But saging your house is not
Speaker 1: inherently a satanic act.
Speaker 3: It's guilt by association.
Speaker 1: Guilt by association.
Speaker 3: I've met Christians who refuse to go to a health
Speaker 3: food store because they went there once and at the
Speaker 3: front counter they were selling crystals for channeling. Okay, which
Speaker 3: which is they were selling the Bible definitely forbids channeling
Speaker 3: these spirits. Right. So, however, vitamin C has nothing to
Speaker 3: do with your crystal guy, Okay, So because the crystals
Speaker 3: are in the same store doesn't mean the nutritional Because
Speaker 3: Ezekiel forty seven to twelve says the fruit is your food.
Speaker 3: The leaves are your medicine. So you don't know your Bible. Okay,
Speaker 3: So it's the same thing you're talking about. It's in sense, Okay.
Speaker 1: I love that the fruit is your food, the leaves
Speaker 1: are your medicine. Is preach on it broke, Yeah, baby.
Speaker 3: Do you know that a quarter of all prescription medications, Yeah,
Speaker 3: are derived directly from botanicals. And they and they have
Speaker 3: really no idea how the majority of them were. They
Speaker 3: just know that they were.
Speaker 2: Well it's a shame that it's not one hundred percent
Speaker 2: of them. That's just my opinion.
Speaker 1: But I agree, I agree, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, this is whenever we're getting into stuff
Speaker 2: like this and trying to understand, you know, because there's
Speaker 2: a lot of people out there that'll look at the
Speaker 2: Bible if they're not Christian like, and they'll say and
Speaker 2: they'll scoff at it. They'll be like, ah, you fucking
Speaker 2: Bible thumper or whatever, right, right. I mean me personally,
Speaker 2: I'm not a Christian, but I still find the Bible
Speaker 2: absolutely fascinating. And so it's and it's one of the
Speaker 2: most ancient things that we know, right, So, like, no
Speaker 2: matter how many times it's been changed or you know whatever, Like,
Speaker 2: it's still one of the it's probably the most And
Speaker 2: this is probably gonna you're probably gonna disagree with this,
Speaker 2: but I I would say it's probably the most magical
Speaker 2: book ever created.
Speaker 1: No, I fully agree, And I'll take that even further
Speaker 1: with you. Now, you said earlier about how somebody will
Speaker 1: like they stub their toe, and they actually like it,
Speaker 1: and they take that and use it as a form
Speaker 1: of their personal magic if you wish. Sure, have you
Speaker 1: ever heard of, oh fuck, what was the name of
Speaker 1: the priests? And there was a group of monks They
Speaker 1: would actually self flagellate, which means they would beat the
Speaker 1: shit out of themselves in an attempt to gain closeness
Speaker 1: with Jesus Christ because he went through the same thing.
Speaker 1: So like, they would actually take way and whit the
Speaker 1: fuck out of themselves as a form of prayer and
Speaker 1: self sacrifice to God. Now you want to talk about
Speaker 1: somebody using a form of could be chaos magic to
Speaker 1: somehow get closer to the other side, bro, What.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean that's essentially like whenever I think
Speaker 2: about like chaos magic. So this gets into the hole
Speaker 2: like as above, so below maybe Yin and Yang kind
Speaker 2: of type of deal because you look at it, like,
Speaker 2: you know, you would think, all right, so the one
Speaker 2: half of the yin yang is white, the other one's black.
Speaker 2: So you would probably look at the white part and
Speaker 2: be like, Okay, well this is probably you know, the
Speaker 2: good stuff that happens to me, because usually in magic
Speaker 2: white and black white is like good magic, black magic,
Speaker 2: bad magic.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows that, right.
Speaker 2: So but essentially, instead of canceling out half of the
Speaker 2: whole system, now you're looking at everything that happens to you.
Speaker 2: You're incorporating the ying and the yang as all good
Speaker 2: things that will happen, some pretty fucking thoughtful like deep thinking.
Speaker 1: And see, I think the yin and yang is an
Speaker 1: absolute it's a good way of looking at humanity, if
Speaker 1: you will. There is a good and there's a bad.
Speaker 1: There's a little bit of good in every bad. There's
Speaker 1: a little bit of bad and every good. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: all the way down. But I do believe that on
Speaker 1: the spiritual and ethereal realm, I believe that there is
Speaker 1: an absolute fifty to fifty split. There is no there's
Speaker 1: no circles in that yin and yang.
Speaker 2: If you will, I mean, I personally, I know that
Speaker 2: realistically there's probably there's probably no the The only difference
Speaker 2: between good and bad is how you view it, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, Like, yes, we can all agree
Speaker 2: on certain things that are bad, right, right, But I mean,
Speaker 2: how many times have you know, I've I've dated people
Speaker 2: before where I was the biggest piece of shit effort
Speaker 2: to them, right. Oh, and so now in their their
Speaker 2: perception of me is that I'm the worst person they've
Speaker 2: ever met. But then you know, now I got my
Speaker 2: wife and I'm treating her right and all that, and
Speaker 2: she used me as one of the best people that
Speaker 2: she's ever met. So like, you know, you can kind
Speaker 2: of be a little bit of everything, and so what's
Speaker 2: good and what's bad. What's good for me probably ain't
Speaker 2: good for you in a sense, So there's wiggle room
Speaker 2: in that. I don't know, I'm not trying to go
Speaker 2: too far.
Speaker 1: There's a difference between human and the divine, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, That's what I'm saying. On the human construct,
Speaker 1: I'm with you one thousand percent. But again, divine, I
Speaker 1: think goes to that next level where there is absolutes,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean yeah, I could see how you see
Speaker 2: that for sure.
Speaker 1: And that's a me thing. I get the argument that, no,
Speaker 1: the Creator probably has some flaws with him, and like
Speaker 1: people have taken that point. I personally have my views,
Speaker 1: but you know, life goes on.
Speaker 3: Well, that's you know, it's if you have a biblical worldview.
Speaker 3: You believe there's a God and that he revealed himself
Speaker 3: through the Bible, and there's things like the Ten Commandments
Speaker 3: aren't really the ten suggestions wells or morals. Morals are absolutes.
Speaker 3: They're moral absolutes. So it's kind of a take it
Speaker 3: or leave it offer if you want the benefit of
Speaker 3: what the moral gives you, which is a clean conscience,
Speaker 3: that you're willing to eliminate the bad stuff to get
Speaker 3: the clean conscience. But it's up to you. It's optional,
Speaker 3: you have to choose it.
Speaker 1: We have free will.
Speaker 2: Well, speaking of the of the ten commandment to talk
Speaker 2: like one of them talks about to keep the Sabbath holy. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: And I was looking at you know, I have a
Speaker 2: pretty big interest in a bunch of like other different
Speaker 2: religions and Paganism and all the older ones, right, sure,
Speaker 2: And within Paganism they had several Sabbaths that like all
Speaker 2: throughout the year, and usually they coincided with the solstices
Speaker 2: and the equinoxes and stuff like that. And essentially how
Speaker 2: they viewed Sabbaths were like little not parties, but like celebrations,
Speaker 2: Like these are days of celebrations.
Speaker 1: Well, Sabbath is like a holy day, a feast day,
Speaker 1: a day of reverence that goes not just Jewish as
Speaker 1: far as like Sabbath being a Hebrew word, but like
Speaker 1: you're saying, the big feast days and celebrations and holy
Speaker 1: and all of that. Yeah, there's all the religions across
Speaker 1: the earth have a version of this. For sure.
Speaker 2: What is the Bible talking about or in the Ten Commandments,
Speaker 2: what is that talking about? Whenever they're talking specifically about
Speaker 2: the Sabbaths to.
Speaker 1: Keep that holy? What is that that is that Sundays
Speaker 1: or Saturdays, time, place, and audience? Right, God was telling
Speaker 1: this to Moses, to tell to the Hebrews that were
Speaker 1: just leaving Egypt. Keep this in mind, and you also
Speaker 1: look at the context of how these were jotted down
Speaker 1: for humanity. They said, please give us a rule book
Speaker 1: to follow, and we'll do it perfectly. We're your humble servants.
Speaker 1: And God was like, no, it's kind of impossible for
Speaker 1: you to do that. You're humans. You are incapable of
Speaker 1: meeting my glorious standards. Here's what you need to do,
Speaker 1: and like, just do this, and they're like, no, please,
Speaker 1: we'll do it. And he's like, okay, here's how impossible
Speaker 1: it is procure them. And he's like, look, here's ten
Speaker 1: basic ones. There's no human alive that's ever going to
Speaker 1: live their life and not do one of these ten.
Speaker 1: It is impossible for you to be a perfect human.
Speaker 1: It is through Me and the Sabbath and the Holy
Speaker 1: and the sacrifices that you are made clean. And that
Speaker 1: was the law of Moses at the time, place and
Speaker 1: era that that message was being conveyed.
Speaker 2: Right, But what are sabbaths is? What is my question?
Speaker 2: What is a sabbath in the Bible.
Speaker 3: Well, it's a day of rest, and it even says
Speaker 3: don't think your own thoughts, don't do your own stuff.
Speaker 3: It's a time of devotion where you return to God
Speaker 3: and you give like you're giving God an offering of yourself.
Speaker 3: You're devoting yourself to him on that day.
Speaker 1: And what into the Hebrews that he was talking right.
Speaker 3: Yeah. In Romans, it talks about how Jesus is a
Speaker 3: tutor or no, the Ten Commandments is a tutor that
Speaker 3: drives us to Christ. So exactly what he said. What
Speaker 3: the Ten Commandments isn't something you're supposed to follow to
Speaker 3: get God's approval. They're there to show you that it's
Speaker 3: impossible to get God's approval and to drive you to Christ,
Speaker 3: who did meet the ten comments.
Speaker 1: Humans are incapable of meeting God's standard. We are we
Speaker 1: were born imperfect, we were born into sin. He knows it.
Speaker 1: He's not mad at us about it. I promise you
Speaker 1: everybody listening. God is not mad at you. I swear
Speaker 1: he loves you. He just wants you to come home.
Speaker 1: I promise you. It's it's a big thing. We got jackets,
Speaker 1: it's the whole thing. But uh, but no, But you're
Speaker 1: absolutely right, and you look at these ten commandments, and yes,
Speaker 1: you want to apply them to your life. You should
Speaker 1: strive to follow them in every which way. Of course,
Speaker 1: don't go out there and kill nobody, don't go out
Speaker 1: there and cheat on your spouse, don't don't be disrespectful
Speaker 1: to your elders and to your parents. Keep the Sabbath day.
Speaker 1: But to wrap up to your point, Jonathan, yes, once
Speaker 1: a week. The Jewish and the Hebrew traditions would say
Speaker 1: that once one day a week, you completely devoted to
Speaker 1: rest and devotion to God, giving you like they won't.
Speaker 1: They won't drive, like they won't, they won't harvest in
Speaker 1: their fields, like absolutely nothing happens on the Sabbath. So
Speaker 1: that's only to the Jews. Well, it was a message
Speaker 1: to the Hebrews, yes.
Speaker 2: But that's in the ten Commandments, is to keep the
Speaker 2: Sabbath holy. So that's not to only the Jews, that's
Speaker 2: to everybody.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Well, once again to that time and place, it was
Speaker 1: to the Hebrews. It was not to the Canaanites. That
Speaker 1: was not to the Philistines. That was to the Hebrews.
Speaker 1: Once Jesus came on scene, he said, listen, there is
Speaker 1: no more jew and gentile. There is either of God
Speaker 1: or there is not. The traditions are great. I'm not
Speaker 1: here to displace them, but I am here to say
Speaker 1: that there's no longer these tribalisms and these family trees
Speaker 1: of what matters, and that doesn't matter. So the commandments
Speaker 1: are now bullshit. No they're not bullshit. They are like
Speaker 1: he said, they are a driving factor, and we should
Speaker 1: strive to be them because they are a great, simple
Speaker 1: cut example of God's standard. We should strive to them. Understandably,
Speaker 1: we are going to fail from time to time. We're humans.
Speaker 1: We need Jesus to compensate for where we fall short.
Speaker 3: Right, And there's a difference between the ceremonial law and
Speaker 3: the moral law. Yes, because like which of one of
Speaker 3: the ten commandments? Don't you have to obey? Oh, I
Speaker 3: can murder? People know the moral law is still effect
Speaker 3: but under the New Covenant. Jesus said in Matthew twelve,
Speaker 3: the son of Man is the lord of the Sabbath.
Speaker 3: So then Paul developed that in Colossians two sixteen, he said,
Speaker 3: let nobody pass judgment on you in questions of food
Speaker 3: and drink, or with regard to festival or new moon
Speaker 3: or sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come.
Speaker 3: But the substance belongs to Christ. So basically our rest
Speaker 3: we find in Christ. He completed it all. He said,
Speaker 3: I didn't come to abolish the love, but to fulfill it. Yes,
Speaker 3: so all of the commandments have been fulfilled in Christ
Speaker 3: and all you gotta do is find refuge in him.
Speaker 3: You just hide out in him and you're good. That's
Speaker 3: how it works.
Speaker 1: That's it. Just come on into the family dog, just
Speaker 1: follow him.
Speaker 3: He'll give you the he'll give you your marching artist.
Speaker 3: He'll let you know if you're out of bounce, if
Speaker 3: you're diggling around in the dark, he'll let you know,
Speaker 3: and he'll say, hah, son, that's not part of the ingranement. Basically,
Speaker 3: it's like this, I'll give you everything. You give me everything.
Speaker 3: You got to sell everything and by the field to
Speaker 3: get the pearl of great price. But it just costs
Speaker 3: you everything.
Speaker 1: I mean, but that's the thing. You're gonna get out
Speaker 1: what you put in. That's the rule of everything.
Speaker 2: Ever, so, is there are there any Mandela effects that
Speaker 2: are associated with anything that Jesus specifically said?
Speaker 1: Are people experiencing that?
Speaker 3: It's on every page. It's so mind bottling to us
Speaker 3: that that the church can't is not just up in
Speaker 3: arms about this. Well, actually it's worse than that. We
Speaker 3: actually have one testimony of a guy. This is totally verified.
Speaker 3: He was a youth pastor and the Baptist minister. The
Speaker 3: Baptist missions Association, and they had this big retreat with
Speaker 3: like one hundred and fifty churches pastors and youth pastors
Speaker 3: or one hundred and fifty churches go to this convention
Speaker 3: center and at one point they pull them all. This
Speaker 3: is what he said. They pulled us all into this
Speaker 3: other room where there was nobody taking notes. And the
Speaker 3: guy gets there and he's like, we have something to
Speaker 3: tell you. The Bible is supernaturally changing, and we don't
Speaker 3: want anybody to talk about it. A kid, you not.
Speaker 3: They sent the memo out and we believe this has
Speaker 3: gone out to a lot of denominations. And so then
Speaker 3: this him and this one other youth pastor was like,
Speaker 3: what do you mean you're not going to tell everybody?
Speaker 3: This is bogus. You can't keep this secret. This is
Speaker 3: this is awful. And the guy basically told them it
Speaker 3: would not be in your best interest to talk about this.
Speaker 3: And the guy said he felt totally threatened for his
Speaker 3: life and his family, and he never talked about it.
Speaker 1: So I will say the Bible clearly stated that it
Speaker 1: is the Bible of yesterday, today, and tomorrow, and that
Speaker 1: the true word of God will always make it through
Speaker 1: the ages. And I do have faith in that? So
Speaker 1: is it crazy to conceive that possibly the word is
Speaker 1: changing because as the day and age changes, and as
Speaker 1: people are going up in arms about what is the
Speaker 1: really and what is the true message, that maybe God's
Speaker 1: spirit is pushing through saying no, no, no, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: make sure that y'all get the word that you need
Speaker 1: to get.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's really what's going on, you
Speaker 2: tell me, brother, because you don't hear about that in
Speaker 2: most other books. So for it to be a biblical thing,
Speaker 2: and mandela effects are constantly happening within the Bible. And
Speaker 2: I mean literally, everybody that you've ever met has at
Speaker 2: least heard of the Bible. There's no way you've met
Speaker 2: somebody that's never heard of it.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, my boy, is that God is in
Speaker 1: fact in control, especially of his book. So okay, you could.
Speaker 2: Say that, but I mean, how do you express the
Speaker 2: the the reason for all these other mandela effects? You know,
Speaker 2: is God only in control of the biblic in control
Speaker 2: of the Bible? Is he also in control of the monocle?
Speaker 2: Is he also in control of the peanut guy? Is
Speaker 2: he in control of the fucking Bernstein?
Speaker 1: Bears. Ho hold on, hold on, we're talking about something
Speaker 1: that is that was created within the last century versus
Speaker 1: something that is over two thousand years, like we're talking.
Speaker 1: We're talking different calibers of things to be Mandela effects.
Speaker 2: Right, But it's all happening within the last twenty twenty
Speaker 2: five years, is my point. Nobody was talking about Mandela
Speaker 2: effect before you know, this century.
Speaker 3: I never heard about it. I never was like made
Speaker 3: aware that the Bible supernaturally changing until you know, seven
Speaker 3: years ago. So, and neither has hundreds of other thousands
Speaker 3: of other Christians. So it's definitely a recent event. But
Speaker 3: here's the way you can note that the Bible can
Speaker 3: be changed. I'll give you three terms. You tell me
Speaker 3: if they all mean the same thing. The word is Bible,
Speaker 3: the word is scripture, and the term the Word of God.
Speaker 3: Are they all the exact same thing?
Speaker 1: They can be?
Speaker 3: Well, what's the Bible?
Speaker 1: The Bible is the actual book itself.
Speaker 3: It's right, it's the collection of sixty six books. And
Speaker 3: then the books are called or referred to as scripture.
Speaker 1: The Bible contains scripture within the pages of Yes.
Speaker 3: That's right, all right. Now, then scripture gives us the
Speaker 3: words of God, but not not even everything that's written
Speaker 3: in the scriptures is the word of God. For instance,
Speaker 3: you have it one I call it like the linear
Speaker 3: scale of authority. So you have God on the mountain
Speaker 3: talking to Moses, or or this is my son, my
Speaker 3: beloved son, and whom I am well pleased. It says
Speaker 3: everybody heard the voice from the sky, right, bro That
Speaker 3: right there is the word of God. Correct, there's no ambiguity, okay,
Speaker 3: all right? So then you have what's commentary where you
Speaker 3: have the Book of Genesis in the beginning God created
Speaker 3: the heavens, and not we accept that as the inspired
Speaker 3: word of God. Okay, but now now you get down
Speaker 3: there's all kinds of stories. All that's inspired. But what
Speaker 3: about this? Paul goes like this, Hey, Timothy, when you're
Speaker 3: in tro Ass, remember my cloak which is in tro Ass?
Speaker 3: All right? Is that the word of God? Right?
Speaker 1: Not necessarily or whenever? Paul tells Timothy to and he
Speaker 1: goes down this long list of people that he wants
Speaker 1: to have greetings to tell this person. I said, hello,
Speaker 1: tell this person. I'm hoping they're doing well.
Speaker 3: Genealogies, yes, And he mentioned, I mean that has its
Speaker 3: place yes, it has an importance, but bring my jacket. Okay. Now,
Speaker 3: here's how you can understand this. If you go to
Speaker 3: the Gospel of John chapter one. If the term scripture
Speaker 3: and the term word of God are synonymous, then they
Speaker 3: should be interchangeable. Right. Here's the Gospel of John. In
Speaker 3: the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
Speaker 3: and the Word was God. The same was in the
Speaker 3: beginning with God. All things were made by him, him
Speaker 3: being Jesus, or the Word. All things were made by
Speaker 3: the Word, and without him, not anything was made that
Speaker 3: was made. Okay. Now let's change the term word for
Speaker 3: the term scripture now, and you tell me if this
Speaker 3: resonates with you. In the beginning was the scripture, and
Speaker 3: the scripture was with God, and the scripture was God.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, does that sound right to you? Wow?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it gets worse though, it gets worse the same, okay.
Speaker 3: In other words, scripture scripture was in the beginning with God.
Speaker 3: All things were made by the scripture, and without the
Speaker 3: scripture was not anything made that was made. No way.
Speaker 1: Oh, let's see. That's the reason why they use the
Speaker 1: words that they do when they do for sure.
Speaker 3: All right, Now, now there's about five or six main
Speaker 3: scriptures that the Church is using to try to suggest
Speaker 3: there no way can the Bible be changed by the devil.
Speaker 3: Here's one of them, Psalms one, nineteen eighty eighty nine.
Speaker 3: I think it is eighty seven or eight nine. Thy word,
Speaker 3: Oh Lord, is forever settled in heaven. Now, first of all,
Speaker 3: it doesn't say thy scripture is forever settled in health,
Speaker 3: and it says it's forever preserved, not on the pages
Speaker 3: of the book, it's preserved in heaven. Yeah, okay, So
Speaker 3: that actually supports our position that the Bible, there is
Speaker 3: no promise to protect the terrestrial book. It is the
Speaker 3: words that were given to the original authors are immutable,
Speaker 3: which means it'll come to pass and it won't change.
Speaker 3: So what was given was was in changing, but it's
Speaker 3: not unchanging on the earth. It can be made inaccessible.
Speaker 3: Just like the pagan in the jungle doesn't have access
Speaker 3: to the Bible, there's over two thousand living languages right
Speaker 3: at this moment that do not have a Bible in
Speaker 3: their own language. Well, those people the Bible is inaccessible
Speaker 3: to them. But the Bible they're still shut up under scriptures.
Speaker 3: They're still responsible for it. So to them it's inaccessible.
Speaker 3: So what's happening is God is making the scripture inaccessible
Speaker 3: to us, which is the fulfillment of Amos eight eleven,
Speaker 3: which says in the Last Stay, I will send a famine,
Speaker 3: but not a famine of bread. It will be a
Speaker 3: famine of the Word. And men will seek the Word,
Speaker 3: but they will not find it. They'll travel from the
Speaker 3: north to southeast of the west, and they will not
Speaker 3: find the word that is being fulfilled in your hearing.
Speaker 2: Oh my God, dude, yes, bro, when you break it.
Speaker 1: Down like that, See, I always took that end time
Speaker 1: prophecy to mean that even if you go to a
Speaker 1: house of worship, they will not be preaching the actual
Speaker 1: word of God. They'll be feeding you chicken soup for
Speaker 1: the soul with a couple of scriptures thrown into it
Speaker 1: which do not look far down any street in America,
Speaker 1: and you'll find one of these churches, I promise you now.
Speaker 1: That could also be interpreted to mean that the word itself,
Speaker 1: regardless of where you go, even if it is a
Speaker 1: place that is a well read and all these things,
Speaker 1: the word itself would be changed so much that you're
Speaker 1: not even hearing the true word. But at that same time,
Speaker 1: I believe that the true word has always been preserved
Speaker 1: up until this point.
Speaker 2: I mean you could also look at that as interpretation.
Speaker 2: I mean, the Bible could be misinterpreted six ways to Sunday.
Speaker 2: Look at how many different religions are branched off of it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: could that be what they're talking about? Also, you know,
Speaker 2: anybody can read something, but what does it mean to you?
Speaker 1: Right, you're going to this church, but you think that's
Speaker 1: one Yeah, I hear you.
Speaker 3: I had this one lady, and this lady like just
Speaker 3: nails it for him. She's seventy five years old. She
Speaker 3: calls me out, John, I've been reading my King James
Speaker 3: Bible for sixty two years and I opened up my Bible.
Speaker 3: It's the same Bible I had my whole life, and
Speaker 3: it said it said that people put their money in
Speaker 3: the bank. And I said that. Where was never in
Speaker 3: my Bible? This is like the back of your hand. Okay,
Speaker 3: it's like your name. You know your name is Jonathan.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. If we wake up in its gym, you're
Speaker 3: freaked out. So there is no naturalistic explanation. Four. Where
Speaker 3: was that wildly vivid memories? No longer being in lined
Speaker 3: with what we're seeing on our pages of our books.
Speaker 1: There's multiple mentions of a bank in the Bible. What
Speaker 1: are we talking about here? Not in my memory, even
Speaker 1: if you go to the Old Testament. How about the
Speaker 1: Master with the talent? Or No, that was Jesus talking
Speaker 1: about the Master with the talents?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: He told he gave one fifteen, he gave one ten,
Speaker 1: he gave one five, and he said, I'm going away
Speaker 1: for an undisclosed amount of time. This is a parable.
Speaker 1: And uh, he said, you know when I come back,
Speaker 1: you know, let's see what you do with them. One
Speaker 1: of them said, I invested it and made this much.
Speaker 1: One of them said I invested made this much, and
Speaker 1: the one with five said I buried it and here
Speaker 1: you go. And the Master was mad at him and said,
Speaker 1: you didn't even put it in the bank so we
Speaker 1: could collect interest. I remember you telling that story?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, If was that Jesus that told that parable? Or
Speaker 1: was that Old Testament? I'm trying to remember, actually, Well,
Speaker 1: but there is mention of banks. I mean, we are
Speaker 1: talking about the Jews here. They pretty much invented the practice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's another word that most of us remember but
Speaker 3: there's so many of them that you can't really land
Speaker 3: on one because you know, we have this book is
Speaker 3: the only book like where you actually memorize. I mean,
Speaker 3: what book do you commit to memory? There aren't very many,
Speaker 3: not many fair. And then the other thing is is
Speaker 3: it's you get so bombarded, like if you're reading the
Speaker 3: Bible every day, you have a daily devotional, you're listening
Speaker 3: to tapes, you go to the here the guy talk
Speaker 3: about the Bible on Sunday, and then you know there's
Speaker 3: like eight different places where you're reading. You know you're
Speaker 3: getting this scripture. And so then you turn around and
Speaker 3: you know, Judge not less you be judged doesn't exist
Speaker 3: in any translation. So it's not like, you know, it's
Speaker 3: not a Bible translation confusion, it's not a modern modernization
Speaker 3: because it's not in any translation. Yet it's on the
Speaker 3: tongue of every Christ and Center alike in the whole world.
Speaker 1: That's not in the Bible. That's a scripture.
Speaker 3: It doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: Oh, judge not.
Speaker 3: Last TV judge should be what isn't the King James?
Speaker 3: And it says judge not that you be not judged?
Speaker 1: What? That don't even sound right?
Speaker 3: Hold on it doesn't.
Speaker 2: This is like, Luke, I'm your father, which, by the way,
Speaker 2: did you see that? They like change that back.
Speaker 3: Luke I'm your father is now what the movie says?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, yeah, dude, you can go back and it's
Speaker 2: and it's back to It.
Speaker 1: Had to have been a.
Speaker 2: Flip flop, dude, because I've seen it. Somebody is like, yo,
Speaker 2: you know actually you know, uh, Darth Vader actually does
Speaker 2: say Luke, I am your father now, And I'm like,
Speaker 2: this was like one of the biggest core Mandela Effect
Speaker 2: things and now it's and now it's changed back.
Speaker 3: Let me check it.
Speaker 1: Hold on, crazy you seven? Hold on Matthew seven one
Speaker 1: through five. All right, hold I'm in the new International version.
Speaker 1: Let me go to King James real quick. I bounce
Speaker 1: back and forth between the two King James. That sexual
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's really gonna it's making me update
Speaker 1: this right now. You've got to be kidding me. Here,
Speaker 1: I'll search it on here. What is it the King
Speaker 1: James version?
Speaker 3: What just happening?
Speaker 1: What is it like, Matthew or some ship? Yeah, Matthew
Speaker 1: seven one through five? What and the world is happening
Speaker 1: with my internet?
Speaker 3: Dude?
Speaker 2: Shuit's tripping, dude, my Bible app.
Speaker 1: Of all things. Here we go. Okay, uh, that's new
Speaker 1: International hold on King James. Do not judge that ye
Speaker 1: be not judged for what?
Speaker 3: For?
Speaker 1: With what judgment ye judge? Yeah, ye shall be judged,
Speaker 1: And with what measure ye met? It shall be measured
Speaker 1: to you again.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Verse one is pretty much the mind blow, because
Speaker 3: you know you'd have to explain how I judge not
Speaker 3: lest you'd be not judged. Has gotten into the minds
Speaker 3: of the lexicon of the entire world. It's in movies,
Speaker 3: it's in books, it's in newspaper articles, it's in sermons,
Speaker 3: and if you ask everybody to complete it, fill in
Speaker 3: the blanks, they'll say less.
Speaker 1: I wonder if there was like a version of the
Speaker 1: Bible that had it worded that way, that like took
Speaker 1: over in America, like the New Living Translation of the
Speaker 1: New International Version. Well I want, I wonder.
Speaker 2: A lot of people are actually referencing a lot of
Speaker 2: the changes in scripture whatever they're talking about. See, this
Speaker 2: is how the King James version was changed. Because people
Speaker 2: still have the Geneva Bible, which this one right here
Speaker 2: at least on the Internet's from fifteen ninety nine. But this, Matthew,
Speaker 2: verse one or chapter one, how do you say.
Speaker 1: That chapter seven versus one vers.
Speaker 2: Okay, anyway, on the geneval part, it says, we may
Speaker 2: not give judgment of our neighbors, nor cast that which
Speaker 2: is wholly onto dogs, the broad and straightway false prophets,
Speaker 2: the tree and fruit, the house built on a rock
Speaker 2: and on the sand. Judge not that ye be not judged.
Speaker 2: For with that judgment, ye, judge, ye shall be judged.
Speaker 2: And with what and with what measure ye meet, it
Speaker 2: shall be measured.
Speaker 1: Unto you again.
Speaker 2: So all that ye and all that nonsense.
Speaker 1: I do love reading that version of the Bible. Though
Speaker 1: it's poetic as fuck, and and and they confirmed via
Speaker 1: the Dead Sea scrolls it is a one to one
Speaker 1: translation for the actual intended words.
Speaker 2: So take that for the King James version that was
Speaker 2: you said that that was the first time that it
Speaker 2: had been translated into English.
Speaker 1: From Latin to English.
Speaker 2: Yes, But what was the Geneva one then, because that's English.
Speaker 1: That may have been done at a later time or
Speaker 1: I don't know when this was.
Speaker 2: The King James was like sixteen hundreds, right, Yeah, Well,
Speaker 2: the Geneva one of it yeah, well heave us fifteen
Speaker 2: ninety nine.
Speaker 1: Well understand that he was also the bastion of Protestantism,
Speaker 1: right right, So yeah, so if he was the one
Speaker 1: that said this was the first, and it just became
Speaker 1: the most widely accepted because keep in mind, he wrote this,
Speaker 1: it became popular as the Catholic churches on the decline,
Speaker 1: so it got kind of made to be that one. Oh,
Speaker 1: I got you, Although there was other ones that wasn't
Speaker 1: the greg Goryan that was written in Latin, but what
Speaker 1: was it not the Geneva. There was one other one
Speaker 1: that I had actually just recently heard of that was
Speaker 1: written in the fifteen sixties. But the problem is that
Speaker 1: that was one priest that wrote that himself. That wasn't
Speaker 1: like a mass produced Bible. The fact that this guy
Speaker 1: even had it was because he was a rare collector
Speaker 1: of these types of books. So like, technically speaking, no,
Speaker 1: King James didn't create the first actual English translation, he
Speaker 1: was the one that created the first mass produced English translation,
Speaker 1: or at least again that's as the story goes.
Speaker 2: So I wanted to go back because I really enjoy
Speaker 2: this whole Geneva Bible part because it's it kind of
Speaker 2: goes against a little bit of what King James reads.
Speaker 2: All right, just tiny little differences. And you know, I
Speaker 2: just typed in firmament just because I'm fucking of course
Speaker 2: you do. But it says God created the heaven and earth,
Speaker 2: the light and darkness, the firmament, and then he separateth
Speaker 2: the water from the earth. He createth the sun, the moon,
Speaker 2: the stars. He created the fish, the birds, the beast,
Speaker 2: graded man, and give him a rule over all creatures.
Speaker 2: And then it goes down. It says again God said,
Speaker 2: let there be firmament in the midst of the waters,
Speaker 2: and let it separate the waters from the waters. And
Speaker 2: then God made the firmament and separated the waters which
Speaker 2: were under the firmament from the waters which were above
Speaker 2: the firmament.
Speaker 1: Let's so they kept that pretty true to form, Geneva
Speaker 1: versus King James. Good to go. Sounds like they were
Speaker 1: correctly translating from the Latin to the English to me,
Speaker 1: and has verified one to one. I'd be damned. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, yeah, I just like seeing what the differences are.
Speaker 3: I just listened to Luke im your Father, and it's sound.
Speaker 3: I listened to it five times. I think you're right,
Speaker 3: he's saying, Luke, I'm your father.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was you know how Bombshall.
Speaker 2: This is oh huge, Yeah, because so many people were
Speaker 2: making references whenever it says no, I am your father,
Speaker 2: it's like, no, that's that's not what was said, and
Speaker 2: it was. It was even referenced in Tommy Boy with
Speaker 2: Chris Farley. He's blown in the fan.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I all of all of the people making videos about
Speaker 3: how it used to say Luke, I'm your father, and
Speaker 3: all the people are saying, now, look now it says no,
Speaker 3: I'm your father. Well, all of those videos. This is
Speaker 3: how freaky this is. Okay, if this is true, I
Speaker 3: gotta look at this when we get done here, because
Speaker 3: you're blowing my mind.
Speaker 1: Oh bro, I got a lower grade in my French
Speaker 1: class because of this scene. It's been known in my
Speaker 1: world since fucking eight.
Speaker 3: Thank you. No, the watched it change, okay to me,
Speaker 3: flip flops is our strongest evidence because it's essentially what
Speaker 3: we're watching it happen real time. I mean, it's not
Speaker 3: like a vivid past memory. This is like recent history
Speaker 3: where the entire community watched Chuck E Cheese changed the
Speaker 3: Chucky cheeses, and then it switched back again. Yep. Yeah,
Speaker 3: then it was Flintstones became Flintstone's No Sea, and it
Speaker 3: changed back tidy Cats yep, became tidy Cat. And I
Speaker 3: went to the pet store, so it's not just photoshop tricks.
Speaker 3: I saw the stuff in the store. There was no
Speaker 3: ass and I even asked the guy, Hey, did they
Speaker 3: change the name?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: I didn't even notice. So we're not like, you know,
Speaker 3: we're doing our homework, right. And the other one was
Speaker 3: Houston we have a problem, became Houston. We had a problem,
Speaker 3: That's what Tom Hanks says in the movie. And we're
Speaker 3: all like, no, right, we all make videos about it. Well,
Speaker 3: then what happens is we shift to another timeline, another consciousness,
Speaker 3: and another universe whatever it is. Guess what all of
Speaker 3: the videos that we created are on and there's no
Speaker 3: memory of them. It's totally freaky, man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I did this happened to me.
Speaker 3: Okay, I made a video about the Chucky Cheese thing. Okay,
Speaker 3: so Chucky Cheese. I got kids. We used to go there.
Speaker 3: They got the robots, you know, and there's video games
Speaker 3: and pizza. Right, So one day we wake up one morning,
Speaker 3: and everybody in the community is buzzing. Bro, have you
Speaker 3: seen Chucky Jesus? Now Chucky Cheeses? And I'm like, get
Speaker 3: out of here. It's Chuck E Cheese. I go to
Speaker 3: the domain name is Chucky Cheesus. I go to the
Speaker 3: website Chucky Cheeses. I go to the Wikipedia. I look
Speaker 3: up the original trademark. Bro, it's not like they changed
Speaker 3: their trade their name a few beers. This was going back.
Speaker 3: So I did a video on it where I captured
Speaker 3: the Wikipedia page in that time stream or that consciousness
Speaker 3: or whatever whatever it is, it's okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, then it changes.
Speaker 3: Back again, and the video that I made is nowhere.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's in another universe or something. But
Speaker 3: the picture that I took of Wikipedia I have on
Speaker 3: my computer. I have the timestamp that's what we call
Speaker 3: residual evidence. Somehow, somehow, some of the freadcrumbs or remnants
Speaker 3: from these other timelines slip through and remain in this timeline,
Speaker 3: and I have one that I created myself. And in
Speaker 3: other words, the picture that I have is from the
Speaker 3: first time. It's shifted, and the timelines based on Wikipedia
Speaker 3: are different than what they are in this timeline, and
Speaker 3: they're impossible. Basically, the name changed two years earlier in
Speaker 3: the other timeline than what it's saying it changed to now.
Speaker 3: And I have proof. So like we used to say
Speaker 3: in the hood, when I was a kid, nobody could
Speaker 3: tell me nothing. Okay, this has happening.
Speaker 2: So essentially what you're saying is is that it used
Speaker 2: to be Chucky Cheese and then it changed to Chuck
Speaker 2: E Cheese's. Whenever it changed to Chucky Cheese's, you did
Speaker 2: a whole video saying no, it was never Chucky Cheese's,
Speaker 2: it was Chuck E Cheese. And now you're saying it
Speaker 2: switched back to Chuck E Cheese without the yes of
Speaker 2: the end yep. And that's really what we're seeing rate here.
Speaker 2: So if you go and you type in Chucky Cheese
Speaker 2: on Google.
Speaker 3: It the top the top.
Speaker 2: Logo, Yeah, the top logo, it says Chuck E Cheeses.
Speaker 2: But then the actual website is called Chuck E Cheese
Speaker 2: dot Com.
Speaker 3: Right, that's what we call residual evidence. So the data
Speaker 3: sphere isn't perfect. And I even have a scripture to
Speaker 3: back this up. Daniel, chapter seven, verse twenty five says
Speaker 3: this talking about the Antichrist, he will seek to change
Speaker 3: times and loss. Seek indicates that he won't do a
Speaker 3: perfect job at it.
Speaker 1: He's gonna he's gonna attempt, he's gonna make effort, and
Speaker 1: that's gonna he'll succeed in some But they didn't say
Speaker 1: that he will change the laws. They said that he
Speaker 1: will seek to I see, and only.
Speaker 3: The Bible says only God does things well, only God
Speaker 3: can do it perfectly. So this this thing, you know,
Speaker 3: we have one biblical example for sure, where the Pharaoh's
Speaker 3: magicians were able to turn a staff into a snake.
Speaker 3: So we know that alchemy or messing with the construct,
Speaker 3: it is a power from the Bible that God's are
Speaker 3: that the Devil's crowd can do. They can they can
Speaker 3: morph a piece of wood into a complex organism. Well,
Speaker 3: this is just that on a big scale.
Speaker 1: Well, I've also heard the argument that that was actually
Speaker 1: an illusion. While they threw their staffs down and they
Speaker 1: had the appearance that they were serpents, they were easily
Speaker 1: defeated by Moses' staff that actually became a live serpent
Speaker 1: because of God's power. So it's more like the magicians
Speaker 1: whenever the water turned red with blood and they calmed
Speaker 1: Pharaoh down and showed him a version of something like that.
Speaker 1: It was more or less an imitation or a mutation
Speaker 1: or a bastardization, if you will, of God's glory, which
Speaker 1: is all dark magic really is. It's a way of
Speaker 1: changing the nature of something in order to give it
Speaker 1: different abilities in what it's supposed to, or at least
Speaker 1: make it look like this, essentially smoking mirrors.
Speaker 3: All right, Well, I looked at it, and it says
Speaker 3: they used their dark arts. Indeed, I don't. I don't
Speaker 3: think it's slight of hand. And I'm still freaking out
Speaker 3: that the thing says, Luke, I'm your father.
Speaker 1: Oh do I'm not joking with you. This goes back
Speaker 1: to eight I was in my French class and we
Speaker 1: had an assignment that we had to act out a
Speaker 1: very famous movie scene in French. No problem. Me and
Speaker 1: my buddy were kind of slackers, gonna be honest, so
Speaker 1: we went with an easy scene with very little titles
Speaker 1: and a lot of sword play. We got little lightsabers
Speaker 1: who came to school and we had rehearsed our lines
Speaker 1: back and forth because and we didn't watch the movie
Speaker 1: because we know this scene Luke, I am your father.
Speaker 1: That's a very famous quotable. Everybody knows it. We made
Speaker 1: a C minus on this because, come to find out,
Speaker 1: my French teacher was a diehard Star Wars fan and
Speaker 1: did not like that. We didn't know it, and blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. We're like, no, what are you talking about?
Speaker 1: This is eight and we had this and we were
Speaker 1: losing our shit over it. But of course we're just
Speaker 1: to you know, lose your high schoolers. What do we know?
Speaker 1: And it's like, whoa, I know what I know?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Man, wait, you mean you got a C minus
Speaker 3: because you said it Luke and she knew it was no,
Speaker 3: I'm your father? And that was two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1: Well, to be fair, we didn't just get that one
Speaker 1: line wrong, but that was one that like she made
Speaker 1: a big thing in the class about because she was
Speaker 1: actually a Star Wars fan. So it's funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, can you play that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm actually pulling it up.
Speaker 2: This is actual, like literally from the Star Wars dot
Speaker 2: com website. Okay, because you never know, let's take it,
Speaker 2: you know, straight from the horse's mouth. Let's see what
Speaker 2: it's gotta say in this scene.
Speaker 1: What does Disney have to say on it.
Speaker 3: Man, it's towards the end, so you don't have to
Speaker 3: play the whole thing. It's towards It's like when it's
Speaker 3: like when Luke is all the way over on the
Speaker 3: on the thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh it's not let me do It's only two
Speaker 1: minutes longer.
Speaker 4: This man, it is useless to resist. Don't let yourself
Speaker 4: be destroyed. As all be wanted, there is no escape.
Speaker 4: Don't make me destroy you. Fluke, you do not yet
Speaker 4: realize your importance. You have when you become to discover
Speaker 4: your power, Shoin me and I will complete your training
Speaker 4: with all combined strength we can in this destructive conflict
Speaker 4: and bring order to the galaxy.
Speaker 3: I'll never join you.
Speaker 4: If you only knew the power of the dark side
Speaker 4: will be one never told you what happened to your father.
Speaker 3: He told me enough. He told me you killed me.
Speaker 4: No I am your father.
Speaker 3: That one says, no.
Speaker 1: I just wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, Let's see if
Speaker 1: he if he does he say something after that.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what he says, but let's see what else.
Speaker 2: It's only another minute.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: If he reiterates it and says it a different way,
Speaker 1: maybe we're holding on to hope.
Speaker 3: Here. Let's see, I'm not through that impossible spiritual feelings.
Speaker 3: You know, It's be true.
Speaker 4: Luke, you can destroy the emperors for scenes.
Speaker 1: It is your destiny.
Speaker 4: And together we can rule the galaxy? Is fathering?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 3: Come with me?
Speaker 4: It is the only play.
Speaker 3: I love that part.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, James Earl Jones, God, that voice.
Speaker 3: Oh it's great, isn't it? That?
Speaker 1: That breaks my heart? I thought we were onto something.
Speaker 3: Well, bro, I pulled I pulled it up Luke on
Speaker 3: your Father on YouTube and I played it and it
Speaker 3: did say Luke. So somebody probably edited it. Yeah, they're
Speaker 3: running it. But but the flip flops are totally real.
Speaker 3: I mean that is to me, our number one proof
Speaker 3: that this is not just misremembered because we basically watched
Speaker 3: it happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, dude.
Speaker 2: I mean, and and things that are that are happening
Speaker 2: into things like how you how you just said, I mean,
Speaker 2: you're you're getting into scripture. People that have known this
Speaker 2: like the back of their hand, the words that are
Speaker 2: in there, you know. And the point that we made
Speaker 2: last time was, you know, what was it the lamb
Speaker 2: and the what was it the lion and the right,
Speaker 2: You're supposed to be the lion of the lamb, right,
Speaker 2: but then.
Speaker 3: It changed and it's not it's the wolf.
Speaker 1: Yeah, who fucking remembers a wolf?
Speaker 3: Dude?
Speaker 1: Nobody, nobody, But there's there's reason for that bro symbolism
Speaker 1: across the board. Now, wolves may not have been a
Speaker 1: big thing that they had to worry about very much
Speaker 1: anyway in Israel, but like the people of the north
Speaker 1: of Europe would have had a very strong connection to
Speaker 1: the wolf, so they changed the wording to the area
Speaker 1: of which they were trying to roll. So like, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: europe royalty is the lion, Okay, but I.
Speaker 3: Like a response to that. I gotta response to that.
Speaker 3: You're an aging parent. Listen to this. You go to
Speaker 3: your aging parent and they're through five, but you go
Speaker 3: to them and like who are you? And they say, well, mom,
Speaker 3: this is Jacob. And then she goes she goes, I
Speaker 3: don't know you, and and you go, Mom, why don't
Speaker 3: you recognize me? And she says, because the underlying entomology
Speaker 3: of your name means I don't recognize you.
Speaker 1: And my mom would actually be a she has a
Speaker 1: sense of humor, So if my name meant that she
Speaker 1: would probably actually do that a good bit.
Speaker 3: You get point that dude trying to trying to rationalize
Speaker 3: why it's there doesn't answer why it's there.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, I'm not trying to rationalize, and I
Speaker 1: absolutely disagree with changing it period ever. But I also
Speaker 1: I'm saying that like as they very similarly to how
Speaker 1: the Catholic Church, who was the dominant force of Christianity
Speaker 1: at for a very long while, as much as they
Speaker 1: whenever they tried to envelop all of the Pagans and
Speaker 1: they said, oh, look you have this pantheon of God's
Speaker 1: Look do we got saints that are just like those
Speaker 1: we feasted them too? It's that kind of thing exactly.
Speaker 1: So why would it change from this predatory animal to
Speaker 1: this predatory animal. It's a predatory animal.
Speaker 3: You know. Here's because I understand that sentiment, but I
Speaker 3: tried to come up with searing logic that it's just irrefutable.
Speaker 3: So one of them is this now part of this
Speaker 3: I can prove this with with we'll do our own
Speaker 3: fill in the Black's examples. But I've gone at this point,
Speaker 3: I've sat across the desk from at least twenty maybe
Speaker 3: even thirty pastors. I can't really keep track, but and
Speaker 3: in every case I could stump them. Ten out of
Speaker 3: ten who lay down with the lamp the lion, they go,
Speaker 3: there's to wolf, judge not black. You be judged judge
Speaker 3: not lest you be judged wrong. And then I would go,
Speaker 3: the Lord thanks, and the Lord blanks away. King James Job,
Speaker 3: Chapter one. The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away. Wrong,
Speaker 3: it's the Lord gave and the Lord hath taken away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a referring about that. He was referring
Speaker 1: to the big picture. He was talking about himself. The
Speaker 1: Lord hath given to me, and the Lord hath taken
Speaker 1: away is and he just took it all away. He
Speaker 1: was talking about himself physically.
Speaker 3: Right. But if your name is Jonathan and you wake
Speaker 3: up and it's Jim, it's all the explanations of relevant.
Speaker 3: It's your memory failing. It's a catastrophic memory failure. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's happening to all of humanity simultaneously.
Speaker 1: Now I'm wondering if the job reference is to yes,
Speaker 1: they understand or most at this point probably wouldn't understand.
Speaker 1: But if it was originally intended a yes, that's not
Speaker 1: a direct quote, but it's a way to tell somebody
Speaker 1: it to easily apply it to their day and age
Speaker 1: and what they're going through. Kind of a kind of
Speaker 1: like the whole golden rule thing isn't actually a biblical
Speaker 1: one for one ratio. That's kind of a thing that
Speaker 1: culture took over with.
Speaker 3: All right, So you're putting forth a hypothesis.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, just a hypothesis.
Speaker 3: Okay. So my response to that is, you still your
Speaker 3: hypothesis doesn't explain how this vivid memory has gotten into
Speaker 3: the minds of everybody. And here's a key, here's a
Speaker 3: key observation. Nobody is misremembering it differently, okay. In other words,
Speaker 3: we're all misremembering. If we're misremembering, we're all misremembering the
Speaker 3: same way. Yeah. So you you know, after a while,
Speaker 3: the the scientific discipline of probabilities kicks in and you
Speaker 3: have to you have to cry uncle, now I hear you.
Speaker 1: Now that makes a lot of sense, as nobody is
Speaker 1: misremembering any other portion of it rather than that.
Speaker 3: And it isn't just one, right, it's like fifty of them.
Speaker 3: All right. So here's what I found. All right, So
Speaker 3: you got a pilot, a doctor, and a preacher. They're
Speaker 3: all content experts in their field. And we'll take the pilot.
Speaker 3: First example, a record flew in the military. Now he's
Speaker 3: thirty years in the commercial alliance, and now he's actually
Speaker 3: a trainer. And now you're gonna give him a test
Speaker 3: of ten simple instrument questions. And you're gonna just just
Speaker 3: identify what the instrument does. Okay, that's the ultimeter. Correct,
Speaker 3: next one? All right, So out of ten, how many
Speaker 3: do you what is your expectation? How many would he
Speaker 3: get right?
Speaker 1: Probably ten?
Speaker 3: Probably it made if you can't get Tenny's but he
Speaker 3: shouldn't be flying right right right right right. Now we'll
Speaker 3: go to the doctor who's a content expert, went to
Speaker 3: med school. Now he's the chief of staff. You're gonna
Speaker 3: give him ten basic anatomy questions. What's this on the
Speaker 3: outside of your body? It covers your whole body, the
Speaker 3: upper dermis. Correct. Okay, you give them ten basic anatomy questions.
Speaker 3: How many is he gonna get right?
Speaker 1: And you think I would argue probably ten?
Speaker 3: You'd have to right now. A third example, you've got
Speaker 3: a King James only past with a King James Bible.
Speaker 3: He went to Bible. Cologey he's been in the ministry.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to give him step out of the book, Ezekiel.
Speaker 3: This is like judge, not unless you be judged. You know,
Speaker 3: in the beginning, God created the heaven on the earth.
Speaker 3: And how many do you think he's going to get? Right?
Speaker 1: If he is a pastor with thirty years of doing
Speaker 1: this and he is a strictly King James pastor, I
Speaker 1: would hope that he would get ten out of ten. Well,
Speaker 1: the real.
Speaker 2: Question is why didn't you make that caveat for the
Speaker 2: for the doctors, or for the pilot, or for anything else.
Speaker 1: No, but that's what he did. He gave that caveat.
Speaker 1: He said, this pilot flew in the military and all
Speaker 1: these things, and you gave him that test. Okay, so
Speaker 1: they're a doctor King.
Speaker 2: James, assuming that this King James pastor was knows his
Speaker 2: shit left down right and up.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, just time and great? How about that.
Speaker 1: Let's just say a King James only pastor who has
Speaker 1: been actively shepherding a flock for thirty years.
Speaker 3: This is the Bible School. Yeah, he's you know, he's
Speaker 3: preached his whole life, right, So I say King James
Speaker 3: only because that eliminates the idea that it's a no
Speaker 3: doubt he's confusing it with other translations because he doesn't
Speaker 3: read other translations. So I'm eliminating that possibility.
Speaker 2: Essentially Eli from the Book of Eli, right, like he
Speaker 2: knows it that well, yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, all right. So the point is all of us,
Speaker 3: if we're honest, okay, have the expectation the pastor is
Speaker 3: going to get ten out of ten right as well,
Speaker 3: what is really happening is the pastor's getting ten out
Speaker 3: of ten raw, oh every time I do.
Speaker 1: In fact, we're warn people to test the spirit at
Speaker 1: your house of worship. You should be able to test
Speaker 1: the spirit very clearly to see if your pastor is
Speaker 1: preaching from the book or from his own.
Speaker 2: I mean, but I mean, you can't really say test
Speaker 2: the spirit on that one. Yes you can if you're
Speaker 2: going into the Bible and maybe it sounds wrong is
Speaker 2: what you're saying, that, then you go and double check
Speaker 2: it in the Bible.
Speaker 1: I'm saying if he's preaching an entire sermon off of
Speaker 1: one scripture and the rest of it is chicken soup
Speaker 1: for the soul, feel good stuff, versus somebody who's gonna
Speaker 1: go in on the word and break it down and
Speaker 1: explain it thoroughly and get the there's a difference.
Speaker 3: Bro Sure, sure, I'm trying to make the observation that
Speaker 3: there's something unexplainable happening, and that observation is the proof.
Speaker 3: Because what conclusion would you draw if the pilot couldn't
Speaker 3: identify ten simple instruments and he's not drunk, he doesn't
Speaker 3: have mental illness, and there's nobody running a scam. What
Speaker 3: conclusion would you draw? Because remember, the pilot has an
Speaker 3: exemplary record and he's a trainer. So if he can't identify,
Speaker 3: listen carefully to this is this is this bombshell. If
Speaker 3: he cannot identify ten instruments and he doesn't have mental
Speaker 3: illness around drugs.
Speaker 1: How do you explain that Alzheimer's No, he doesn't have
Speaker 1: mental illness. Okay, okay, I'm a really.
Speaker 3: Unexplainable explain it. I painted you into the freaking quarterer.
Speaker 1: Bro No, no, no, I love you, Oh I love
Speaker 1: this man. I'm just thinking there is no way, no
Speaker 1: milit to illness, no inhibitors of any type, been doing
Speaker 1: it for forever, no cop outs whatsoever.
Speaker 2: It just happens to be a weird phenomenon that's happening
Speaker 2: to his life.
Speaker 1: Either he a forcibly through the test for whatever reason.
Speaker 3: Song right, total Twilight's exactly pastor, okay, So so give
Speaker 3: it up people. The pastor can't identify ten out of
Speaker 3: ten basic nursery, rhyme, pastor scriptures, just no way to
Speaker 3: explain it. It's a phenomenon, that's what it's called. It's
Speaker 3: called a sign and a wonder in the Book of
Speaker 3: Salonians Thessalonians, chapter two, second Thessalonians Chapter two says that
Speaker 3: the Antichrist is going to come with all lying signs
Speaker 3: and wonders. Well, guess what it's not in the trip
Speaker 3: it's right now, it's twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: But but but lying about signs and wonders, that wouldn't
Speaker 2: be a reflection of what is going on in the Bible.
Speaker 2: If if the scripture is the Word is God right like,
Speaker 2: so it can't be both.
Speaker 1: Which one are you saying? Which one?
Speaker 3: Do you think that I didn't understand?
Speaker 2: Say that again, Well, you're saying that essentially that you
Speaker 2: know the devil would come out and basically like change
Speaker 2: change things up? Are you saying, is that what you
Speaker 2: think is actually going on? Or is the or is
Speaker 2: the scripture actual word of God that is living and
Speaker 2: breathing and constantly changing.
Speaker 1: See I take it to be the second option. You're
Speaker 1: actually postulating that the devil is the one changing the Bible.
Speaker 3: God's allowing it, and He's using the devil to do it.
Speaker 3: That's my belief.
Speaker 1: Oh, God has used this.
Speaker 3: Amos eight tells us God says, I will send to famine.
Speaker 3: So God's doing it. However, just like with Job, in
Speaker 3: the Book of Job, chapter one, we have this little
Speaker 3: vignette where the angels came before God and it says
Speaker 3: and Satan also came, and God strikes up this conversation
Speaker 3: with Satan. He says, hey, Satan, where are you been. Oh,
Speaker 3: I've been walking around on the earth and walking back
Speaker 3: and forth on it. And he's like okay. And then
Speaker 3: the God then initiates this conversation about Job. He says,
Speaker 3: have you seen my servant Job. It's like God has
Speaker 3: this narration, this thing going out with the devil. So anyway,
Speaker 3: the devil says, oh, he just serves you because you
Speaker 3: bless him, right, And so God says, all right, all
Speaker 3: that's in his hands are in your power. That's what
Speaker 3: God said to the to the devil, he lifted the hedge.
Speaker 3: He gave permission the first time to mess with his stuff,
Speaker 3: but couldn't touch Job. So my point is in that example,
Speaker 3: it was God elect.
Speaker 2: Oh no, oh, you cut out there for a second.
Speaker 2: That last part allowed what okay?
Speaker 3: So in Job we see that God allowed it because
Speaker 3: he told the devil, all that is in Job's hands
Speaker 3: is in your power.
Speaker 1: Yes, but we also know the Book of Job is
Speaker 1: a parable and it's not to be taken literally because
Speaker 1: the fact that.
Speaker 3: No, not really.
Speaker 1: But in this example specifically, we know that God is
Speaker 1: an all good right in the fact that we as
Speaker 1: humans are of unclean rags and are not even worthy
Speaker 1: to be in his presence. I would argue the devil
Speaker 1: is also unworthy to be in God's presence. That's why
Speaker 1: he was cast out. The entire premise that God and
Speaker 1: the Satan are just kind of bebopping chat chatting about
Speaker 1: this completely defeats the premise of God being an all
Speaker 1: good and all powerful entity that can only you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Only good can be within him. All
Speaker 1: else will be rebuked. And cast out, so we know
Speaker 1: the story of Job to be a parable to teach
Speaker 1: us that we need to be as hardcore in our
Speaker 1: beliefs and in our faith as possible, because God in
Speaker 1: fact does take care of his own regardless of the
Speaker 1: situations of the circumstance that we may find ourselves in,
Speaker 1: even supernaturally.
Speaker 2: I mean, parable or not, it's still the story, right,
Speaker 2: And that's how all of these things. Yeah, like whenever
Speaker 2: you're reading it like, it doesn't matter if it really
Speaker 2: happened or not in my opinion, And the reason is
Speaker 2: is because how are how are you taking this information
Speaker 2: and portraying it throughout your life whether it happened or not.
Speaker 1: Who gives a shit? I mean, it's about what you
Speaker 1: know if I tell you.
Speaker 2: If I tell you, people to care it, I know,
Speaker 2: but it defeats the purpose of the whole thing, right, Like,
Speaker 2: if it happened or if it didn't, as long as
Speaker 2: it's God's word, then who cares?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 1: But it also depends because we're talking about the basis
Speaker 1: of a lot of people's cultural history, not just the Jews.
Speaker 1: A lot of people get referenced in the Bible and
Speaker 1: use the Bible as a reference to, like, look, we
Speaker 1: are from this era. This is us.
Speaker 3: Hell.
Speaker 1: Even the Persians hardcore still claim I ran through Cyrus
Speaker 1: the Great, that is mentioned in the Bible as Cyrus
Speaker 1: the Great, even though he himself was a Zoroastrian. But
Speaker 1: that's neither here nor there. The fact that he liberated
Speaker 1: the Hebrews for their bondage at that time made him
Speaker 1: Cyrus the Great. And that's a historical thing that multiple
Speaker 1: cultures take reference from. So the truth in the the
Speaker 1: fact of the matter does in fact matter. But to
Speaker 1: a certain point, the Old Testament, like we've talked about,
Speaker 1: is like a history lesson, right, It's a history lesson
Speaker 1: to teach us how and why we got to the
Speaker 1: point of needing Jesus. And it's it is like the milk. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's how the world wors created. God's spoken to existence.
Speaker 1: Did it give the nitty gritty of the atomic theory
Speaker 1: of the big bang and then boom and then bop
Speaker 1: and then bee? But that now, look, how do you
Speaker 1: explain sex to a child? Okay, you can't do that.
Speaker 1: God's not going to explain his methods to us. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: we're humans. Our brains can't handle that. So he gave
Speaker 1: us what we needed to know. He didn't lie. He
Speaker 1: gave us the facts that we needed to know. That
Speaker 1: is pertinent to us.
Speaker 3: Hmmm, sounds like Jonathan has something to say about it.
Speaker 2: I just wholeheartedly disagree with that because they're before and
Speaker 2: I know it's I mean, think.
Speaker 1: About it, dude.
Speaker 2: The Bible is the one book that is constantly living
Speaker 2: and it's God's word, no matter if it was two
Speaker 2: thousand years ago or right now, right right, so, But
Speaker 2: in my opinion, God was talking to those people two
Speaker 2: thousand years ago whenever it was written, because they were
Speaker 2: incapable of understanding, you know, as much science as we
Speaker 2: are today. They were uncapable of understanding the quantum realm
Speaker 2: and how to get into space. I mean, back in
Speaker 2: those days, they built a fucking tower to get to
Speaker 2: heaven and they couldn't get there, right. But nowadays we've
Speaker 2: got space shuttles I mean supposedly that are going elsewhere.
Speaker 2: So what I'm saying is the information that we have
Speaker 2: right now is definitely not worthy of understanding from God.
Speaker 1: What no hold on, hold on, Yeah, we may be
Speaker 1: more technologically advanced, but you have argued multiple times that
Speaker 1: we are so much dumber than the human beings spiritual years. Spiritually,
Speaker 1: I would argue physically these people were living five hundred
Speaker 1: years on average.
Speaker 2: Well, you can make an argument a long time. You
Speaker 2: can make an argument that it has to do with
Speaker 2: the oxygen levels.
Speaker 1: My point being is that they had something figured out
Speaker 1: that we don't. They built a pyramid, tore it down,
Speaker 1: and then rebuilt it in one pharaoh's lifetime. We couldn't
Speaker 1: accomplish that with all of the resources of the world combined,
Speaker 1: if our existence depended on it. Let that marriage.
Speaker 2: Sure, But what I'm saying is is that maybe it
Speaker 2: was more so geared towards those people back.
Speaker 1: Then, okay, than it is now. But I also believe
Speaker 1: that the Old Testament applied to the Old Testament ways
Speaker 1: and they tell the whole story of the history of
Speaker 1: these people, or at least what is pertinent to the
Speaker 1: world today and why these figures were important and why
Speaker 1: they are referenced. And if you follow the bloodline and
Speaker 1: the genealogy, it all comes down to Mary, who gave
Speaker 1: birth to the prophet that or not the prophet gave
Speaker 1: birth to the child that was prophesied about for thousands
Speaker 1: of years leading up to this, and it's a whole Now,
Speaker 1: I believe that these historical things, which again have been
Speaker 1: verified through other historical sources, not just the Bible, and
Speaker 1: that this book can't be refuted. And you go down
Speaker 1: the whole list there, if it's been right one hundred
Speaker 1: out of one hundred times times about the past and
Speaker 1: the present, I'll be damned if it's probably not gonna
Speaker 1: be right one of the time.
Speaker 2: But other scripture has also had the same exact story
Speaker 2: of a virgin birth and you know, the the fucking
Speaker 2: chosen one come in and save and everybody.
Speaker 1: It's not the first time it was written.
Speaker 2: So to say that it's you know, it's it's bat
Speaker 2: in a thousand, well, I mean, yeah, anybody can bat
Speaker 2: bat a thousand whenever you got already got already have
Speaker 2: the fucking answers to the test.
Speaker 1: It sounds like, you know what I'm saying, see that
Speaker 1: was told around the world was finally came through to
Speaker 1: fruition and zero ad.
Speaker 2: Sure, okay, person, I mean I'm not trying to go
Speaker 2: there because we're because you know, we definitely have a
Speaker 2: difference of opinion on these things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry, we've kind of been just bow guarding
Speaker 1: the conversation bro the way in at any point with
Speaker 1: any of this bit, because it's like.
Speaker 3: Double DUTs, you know, when you're jumping rope, you gotta
Speaker 3: jump in. Yeah, I got I got another. See what
Speaker 3: happened with me is seven years of Mandela effect battles
Speaker 3: where I would try filling the blanks quizzes and and
Speaker 3: they get them all wrong. But then these pastors would
Speaker 3: blow it off because they don't want it to be true,
Speaker 3: and so they would say stuff like, well, John, you
Speaker 3: know I don't know the whole Bible or the human
Speaker 3: memory can't be trusted. So the fill in the blanks approach,
Speaker 3: or what I call the shock and all approach, unbelievably
Speaker 3: wouldn't convince them all right, So because a man against
Speaker 3: convinced against as will as of the same opinion. Still
Speaker 3: so then then we started to see what I call
Speaker 3: biblical paradoxes. So like Leviticus twelve eight in the King James,
Speaker 3: God's people can sacrifice turtles to God? Is in your Bible?
Speaker 1: Interesting?
Speaker 3: Whoa Leviticus twelve eight? Now does that sound right to you?
Speaker 3: It doesn't sound right to me. Have you ever heard
Speaker 3: have you ever heard the idea that God's people can
Speaker 3: sacrifice female sheep.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it would also have to do with
Speaker 1: the day and age you're telling me in Leviticus, whenever
Speaker 1: they were still on the run and.
Speaker 3: Sound biblically accurate. All right, how about female angels? Have
Speaker 3: you ever heard about female angels in the Bible.
Speaker 1: There's never been one reference to a female angel. Now, granted,
Speaker 1: that does not mean that they don't exist. It is
Speaker 1: only that none of them have made themselves known to humankind. Therefore,
Speaker 1: by all evidence we have to go off of. No,
Speaker 1: to our knowledge, there are no such things as female angels. Biblically, angels,
Speaker 1: being eternal beings, really don't have a need to procreate
Speaker 1: in that regard.
Speaker 3: Right, Because, I mean, I've asked, I've asked a bunch
Speaker 3: of pastors, is there anything in the Bible that even
Speaker 3: remotely resembles something like female angels? And they all said no.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: They do in fact say, and when they talk about
Speaker 1: Sodom and Gomorah, that the angels that did come to
Speaker 1: Lot in his family were very beautiful. But again they
Speaker 1: were men, And that is why the Sodomites gathered outside
Speaker 1: and demanded that they throw the angels out so that
Speaker 1: they be known to them, i e. So that they
Speaker 1: could rape them. It's a whole thing that sodomy was,
Speaker 1: you know, named for, known for its whole thing holding anyway.
Speaker 1: So yes, the fact that they are beautiful creatures, yes,
Speaker 1: but still it's a true males nonetheless.
Speaker 3: All right, So listen to this. Zachariah five nine says
Speaker 3: there was a result, I say, uh, verse say, then
Speaker 3: I raised my eyes and looked, and there were two
Speaker 3: women coming with the wind and their wings, for they
Speaker 3: had wings like the wings of a stork, and they
Speaker 3: lifted up the ephat between the heaven and the earth.
Speaker 3: Now you can see whatever you want. Well, it doesn't
Speaker 3: say the angels. All I'm saying is, when I've asked
Speaker 3: twenty thirty pastors, is there any scriptures that even remotely
Speaker 3: resemble female angels? They all said no. And I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: but that message just talk about women with wings lifting
Speaker 3: up the ephat. If that was in there, and that
Speaker 3: would kind of stick in your head.
Speaker 1: Don't hold on? What was that verse? One more time? Here,
Speaker 1: we'll look it up on this Zachariah.
Speaker 3: Zachariah five verse nine.
Speaker 1: Zachariah z E c h yep, Zechariah got you. Then
Speaker 1: I raise my eyes and look at this.
Speaker 3: Five nine yeah, five five verses nine yep.
Speaker 1: And actually it said I said to the angel who
Speaker 1: spoke with me, where are they taking the basket? He replied,
Speaker 1: to build a temple for it in the land of Shinar.
Speaker 1: So he's actually speaking with an angel, but he is
Speaker 1: seeing winged women, but he knows that that is a
Speaker 1: difference between what those are versus the angel he's speaking with.
Speaker 3: So fair enough. I mean, there's no way this man
Speaker 3: was ever in my Bible because people, but that's the
Speaker 3: kind of thing that sticks out in your head.
Speaker 1: But those are clearly not angels.
Speaker 3: I mean I phrased it. I phrased it very specifically, yep,
Speaker 3: to say, look, is there any passages that even remotely
Speaker 3: resemble anything happened to do with female angels? And they
Speaker 3: all said no, okay, And I even say women with wigs. No.
Speaker 3: So so my point is is, well, is this the
Speaker 3: first time this has ever come to your attention? Yes?
Speaker 3: Is this did you in your experience? Pastor is there
Speaker 3: any references to God's people being able to sacrifice female sheep?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Okay? So this is the first time in your entire
Speaker 3: Christian life that it's ever come to your attention that
Speaker 3: then that's Leviticus. Where is that one? Yeah, it's four
Speaker 3: Leviticus four, verse thirty two.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's see what you got. And if
Speaker 1: he brings the lamb for a sin offering, he shall
Speaker 1: bring it a female without blemish.
Speaker 3: Right, So I asked pastors, and I was like, haven't
Speaker 3: you in your career done like a six weeks course
Speaker 3: on Old Testament types and shadows sacrifice. Yes, of course, okay,
Speaker 3: and so in all of that study, it never came
Speaker 3: to your attention that there's any passage that references offering
Speaker 3: female sheep. No, I've never seen that before. Well, how
Speaker 3: is that possible?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not gonna lie. I've never looked into
Speaker 1: the crazy ins and outs of the sacrifices of the
Speaker 1: Jewish people because it doesn't apply to my life. I
Speaker 1: do find them fascinating. Uh, I've never heard this passage before.
Speaker 1: I didn't actually know that the gender of the animal
Speaker 1: being sacrificed mattered. But hey, the Jews have a law
Speaker 1: for every single religious concept ever thought of. So the
Speaker 1: fact that that's a mention, I absolutely believe it, you know,
Speaker 1: I it.
Speaker 2: I could see how you could, you know, go up
Speaker 2: to a regular Christian who hasn't read the entire Bible
Speaker 2: right and wouldn't know certain things, but to go up
Speaker 2: to a pastor who literally went to Bible school, was
Speaker 2: learned on how to understand and memorize the entire thing,
Speaker 2: you know, like and especially if you've been doing it
Speaker 2: for you know, twenty or thirty forty years, you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, how many times you opening up that damn Bible.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'll tell you what I would argue. You could
Speaker 1: go to China, okay, where the Bible is illegal, and
Speaker 1: when they a church gets a Bible, it is such
Speaker 1: contraband that they devote one person to immediately start studying
Speaker 1: it and committing it to memory word for Wharton, because
Speaker 1: that is worth a death penalty if you're caught with
Speaker 1: a Bible in certain sectors of China. And it's been
Speaker 1: that way for a long while. People don't want to
Speaker 1: believe that, except that it's like actually true.
Speaker 3: Heard.
Speaker 1: So there are guys out there who absolutely when they
Speaker 1: quote the King James Bible, they are quoting the King
Speaker 1: James Bible because up until their death and life could
Speaker 1: depend on it.
Speaker 3: I wonder what China. I've often wondered if you can
Speaker 3: you get Chinese food in China? Like? What is it like?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 1: Not much? Apparently they're all starving and they're killing and
Speaker 1: slaughtering their Weiger Muslim population in good God, it's a genocide.
Speaker 2: I hope my dad's actually been to Chinese said the
Speaker 2: Chinese food is actually better over there.
Speaker 1: So how bad that sounds? About?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
Speaker 3: All right, let me let me see if I can
Speaker 3: stump Jacob. Let me see a couple.
Speaker 1: Alright, let's got you help me?
Speaker 3: Dog.
Speaker 1: I didn't know about that part with the winged women. Yeah,
Speaker 1: grande the dream.
Speaker 2: You know more about the Bible than I do, so
Speaker 2: that's why he's trying to stump You's all right?
Speaker 3: So you remember when the God sent the judgment on
Speaker 3: the Egypt and he sent he sent uh who, no,
Speaker 3: who went in to kill the firstborn?
Speaker 1: That'll be the angel of death if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 3: Ding ding ding ding? Correct? You went a new car?
Speaker 3: Tell her what he's won? Johnny O right to go
Speaker 3: to Exodus twelve to twenty three? What did he say, Jonathan?
Speaker 3: What did he say?
Speaker 1: The Angel of Death, Angel of death.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, so exodent.
Speaker 1: Death now, grant I'm not a passed through thirty years experience,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying giving those cop pounds. No no, no,
Speaker 1: no copouts, just full full view here Exodus what now.
Speaker 3: Twelve twenty three, twelve twenty three.
Speaker 2: It says, for the Lord will pass through to smite
Speaker 2: the Egyptians, the Lord, or for the Lord will pass
Speaker 2: through to smite the Egyptians. And when he seeth the
Speaker 2: blood upon the lintel and on the two side posts,
Speaker 2: the Lord will pass over the door and will not
Speaker 2: suffer the destroyer to come into your house?
Speaker 3: Just might you?
Speaker 2: So the Lord not the Angel of Death.
Speaker 3: Right, And there's no translation. It's not a translation confusion
Speaker 3: or a modernization.
Speaker 2: It was one nange that was the King Games version
Speaker 2: twelve twelve.
Speaker 1: Three, twelve twenty three. Let me see this right, Wow?
Speaker 1: We always thought it was like an angel of the Lord,
Speaker 1: so to speak, the angels.
Speaker 3: That was the time stream that you were in, bro,
Speaker 3: we were all in the same time. Do this for me, Jonathan,
Speaker 3: Go to Amazon and put it look up a book
Speaker 3: called My People Perish for lack of Knowledge, and then
Speaker 3: put up on the screen. All right, and now Joseah
Speaker 3: four to six, My people blank for lack of knowledge.
Speaker 3: Most people will tell you my people perish for lack
Speaker 3: of knowledge, but it's never said that in any translation.
Speaker 1: Let me share the screenway quick, h What was the book?
Speaker 3: All right? So look at what he found on Amazon.
Speaker 3: There's actually two or three of them. Yeah, but at
Speaker 3: the middle one, my people perish for lack of knowledge.
Speaker 3: Now you gotta understand this. I wrote a book, Okay.
Speaker 3: I paid this girl two thousand dollars to edit my book.
Speaker 3: I read the thing at least ten times, and I
Speaker 3: listened to it about seven times to make sure that
Speaker 3: it wasn't a grammatical mess. You certainly aren't going to
Speaker 3: get the title of the book wrong.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it says my people perish for lack of knowledge
Speaker 2: is the name of the book. It says what secrets can,
Speaker 2: What secrets can quantum mechanics reveal to create positive results
Speaker 2: in every area of a person's life, from health, to finances, relationships,
Speaker 2: and more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so does my people paris for lack of knowledge?
Speaker 3: Doesn't exist?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 1: Once again, exodus, brother, you are correct. Nowhere in that
Speaker 1: entire passages to say an angel of the Lord or
Speaker 1: a servant of the Lord. It says the Lord himself
Speaker 1: straight up and mentions it multiple times capital letters. The
Speaker 1: Lord smote at midnight that night, so the promoting just
Speaker 1: the Lord at midnight that night smote the firstborn of
Speaker 1: of the houses? What is that on the lintel? What's
Speaker 1: going on here, Jacob? That would be the seventh curse
Speaker 1: that was prophesied to tell the Pharaoh. Look, we're leaving
Speaker 1: whether you like it or not, and God's letting you
Speaker 1: know it. Okay, but like work, This doesn't work. The
Speaker 1: blood didn't work, The locust didn't work. All right, fine,
Speaker 1: the first born are all now they're gone.
Speaker 2: So initially, whenever I asked you months ago about the
Speaker 2: Mandela effect, you claimed that it could have been the government,
Speaker 2: it could have been the elite, that these people were
Speaker 2: changing it. Do you still hold true to that version
Speaker 2: of your thought of the Mandela effect or is there
Speaker 2: something actually supernatural happening. Maybe we're shifting timelines, maybe we're
Speaker 2: going to different dimensions. Maybe people are having some kind
Speaker 2: of black magic that is causing the words and these
Speaker 2: very books to be rewritten.
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm not discrediting any of it. I also give
Speaker 1: myself room for error because I have a horrible memory,
Speaker 1: so like, and I'm not trying to be a cop
Speaker 1: out on that, but let's be honest. I know myself
Speaker 1: and the fact that I cannot perfectly quote something doesn't
Speaker 1: shock me want iota, but that to say, there is
Speaker 1: obviously some fuckery of foot no matter what way.
Speaker 2: You slice it, right, but you are definitely somebody who
Speaker 2: prides yourself in your religious views. You definitely are somebody
Speaker 2: who can quote from the Bible quite often.
Speaker 1: Or at least I try to.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: A lot more about the Bible than at least most
Speaker 2: people that I know. Okay, fair, And for him to
Speaker 2: come out and name all these different things, I don't
Speaker 2: know if that's just a miss memory, like you're jotting
Speaker 2: it to bad memory because you were quoting it just
Speaker 2: like everybody else was.
Speaker 1: To his point about the Bible changing and this, I
Speaker 1: can see he and I come from very different perspectives,
Speaker 1: so I understand why we have different viewpoints on it.
Speaker 1: I am going to do a lot more digging on
Speaker 1: this as far as changing from the Bible way after
Speaker 1: this episode is done and over with, because this is
Speaker 1: fascinating as hell. And I honestly haven't heard it being
Speaker 1: looked at from the negative. I've only seen it like
Speaker 1: from a standpoint of faith, because I know the power
Speaker 1: of my God. I know that if the Bible and
Speaker 1: the Word has been changing, the true message I have
Speaker 1: faith has made it through because the God that I
Speaker 1: worship said that it would always make it through until
Speaker 1: the final days. Now again, interpretive book about the final
Speaker 1: days and what that will look like. Does it mean
Speaker 1: that no church has it one hundred percent right? So
Speaker 1: if you claim any denomination, including non denominational, then you
Speaker 1: actually have it wrong. Does it mean that no word
Speaker 1: in any Bible that we'll be able to read will
Speaker 1: be correct because it will all have been changed so
Speaker 1: much we can't even find an actual true King James version. Ever, Again,
Speaker 1: there's so many ways to interpret that. I have always
Speaker 1: looked at it from the side of positive. As much
Speaker 1: as I am a pessimist and as much as I'm
Speaker 1: the one that blackpills way more than you, and I
Speaker 1: always look at the darker side of things, you know,
Speaker 1: as the residents stick in the mud. To this particular point,
Speaker 1: I have faith that my God is still in control
Speaker 1: and that His word is still getting through in the
Speaker 1: ways that it matters. Now, I understand why somebody would
Speaker 1: disagree with that.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, but if you're basing your belief on the
Speaker 3: teachings of the scripture, all I'm saying is what the
Speaker 3: scripture taught us is that Jesus is the same yesterday, today, forever. Yes,
Speaker 3: the promises to preserve our promises to preserve the word
Speaker 3: of God, which is the utterance and the will and
Speaker 3: the purposes and plans of God that were given to
Speaker 3: the original authors in the original autographs. Yeah, the promise
Speaker 3: to preserve the scriptures is not in the Bible.
Speaker 1: Well, we also have the Dead Sea Scrolls, which we
Speaker 1: know that we can compare in contrast agance to find
Speaker 1: it to be a corrective translation.
Speaker 2: Well, there was a lot of stuff in the Dead
Speaker 2: Sea Scrolls that didn't make it the Bible.
Speaker 1: Also, that's very true. That's very true.
Speaker 3: But well, no, no, no, the King j no, because
Speaker 3: the Dead Sea Scrolls say wolf. We know that they
Speaker 3: looked at Isaiah two six and the Dead Sea Scrolls. Right,
Speaker 3: Because you have to understand when there's a mandela effect,
Speaker 3: when there's a consensus that something has changed, it's changed
Speaker 3: all the way back to the beginning, because it's all
Speaker 3: all of history lines up with this new change changed
Speaker 3: ten years ago.
Speaker 1: That just proved the point though, hold on, you're saying
Speaker 1: that the Dead Sea scroll said Wolf correct, correct, and
Speaker 1: the King James Bible actually says Wolf correct correct. Now,
Speaker 1: all these pastors are are misremembering. Even though once again
Speaker 1: we can compare to the original text to the King
Speaker 1: James version, we know that it's a correct one to
Speaker 1: one comparison. The pastors are the ones that are misremembering
Speaker 1: and or not truly as well versed as they claim
Speaker 1: to be. Well, the point of what he's trying to
Speaker 1: say is right.
Speaker 2: What he's trying to say is that you know that
Speaker 2: because of the Mandela effect, maybe because of Cirn, maybe
Speaker 2: because there's a some kind of mystical shit that's going
Speaker 2: on that we can't really interpret or understand that the
Speaker 2: reason why it would be changed in the King James
Speaker 2: Bible and the and the Dead Sea Scrolls is because
Speaker 2: why wouldn't they change all of it?
Speaker 1: It would just change timeline. It's been changed all the
Speaker 1: way through, is what he's possible?
Speaker 3: Yes, no, yes, okay, yeah, baby, it's more exotic than
Speaker 3: we first believe. In other words, it didn't change ten
Speaker 3: years ago, and before ten years ago it was a
Speaker 3: line it's always or yeah, it's always been wolf.
Speaker 1: So now so you're saying, there's no way across the
Speaker 1: board this. Many people are misremembering something that once again
Speaker 1: we can compare to the oldest source, and they're wrong,
Speaker 1: the same way that a pilot with thirty years experience
Speaker 1: couldn't take this type of a test and be wrong.
Speaker 1: That's an impossibility.
Speaker 3: It's it defies the scientific discipline of probabilities. Yes, it's
Speaker 3: it's more irrational to suggest that we're just missing remembering
Speaker 3: then to suggest that an end time sign of wonder
Speaker 3: is happening, which was foretold that. Right, we actually have
Speaker 3: seven different types of proof. Let me give you another one.
Speaker 3: Let's go, it's really this one is cool, all right?
Speaker 3: So you remember the deal where Jesus told Peter about
Speaker 3: the cock crawling and you're gonna deny me, hold on,
Speaker 3: hold on, go ahead and give it to me from memory.
Speaker 3: What do you remember happened?
Speaker 1: He they were going around last supper, all these boys
Speaker 1: are professing how much they love him, and as he
Speaker 1: was talking about how one of them was about to
Speaker 1: deceive him. They're like, what in no way, not me, dude,
Speaker 1: not me, And He's like, you, bro, Bro, before the
Speaker 1: rooster crows tomorrow morning, you will deny that you even
Speaker 1: know me. Three times? There you go, if I remember,
Speaker 1: if I remember.
Speaker 3: Correct, Peter, all right, hold on, you got it right, Peter.
Speaker 3: And this is also Peter who three times? And then
Speaker 3: the cockle crow right right?
Speaker 1: And if I'm not mistaken, it was rooster. I don't
Speaker 1: know if King James says cock.
Speaker 3: Cock okay, but but I'm just kidding the secrets, So deny, deny,
Speaker 3: deny cock that's what you remember, right, yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yea, yeah, me too. And also the whole world does.
Speaker 1: I've seen multiple movies of Jesus's life where that is,
Speaker 1: in fact what has been portrayed as well.
Speaker 3: All right, buckle your seat belt, okay, open up to
Speaker 3: Mark chapter fourteen, verse thirty. All right, alright, alright, cackle
Speaker 3: your seat belt please.
Speaker 1: You're going to Mark chapter.
Speaker 3: Say that again, sir, Mark Chapter fourteen, verse thirty. Jonathan's
Speaker 3: quick on the draw there, Bro.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you man, but oh I might be quicker
Speaker 1: on this one. Boom got it up. And Jesus said
Speaker 1: unto him. Verily, I say, unto the that this day,
Speaker 1: even in this night, before the cock crow twice, thou
Speaker 1: shalt deny me thrice. Wow. So it wasn't the cock
Speaker 1: crowing three times, you'll deny me three times? It was
Speaker 1: two and three. Damn no way. But I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: honest with you. I always thought it was before the
Speaker 1: rooster crows, you will deny me three times. I don't
Speaker 1: really remember anything about the number of time the rooster crows,
Speaker 1: but for sure that before the rooster crows, Yes, you did.
Speaker 3: Don't do that.
Speaker 1: You said three. For the crows tomorrow morning, you will
Speaker 1: deny me three times.
Speaker 3: Right, bro, that's what normies do.
Speaker 1: No, No, Now what I said, I'm pretty sure you
Speaker 1: said the game. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Did
Speaker 1: I not just say that before the rooster crows tomorrow morning,
Speaker 1: you will deny that you even know me three times.
Speaker 2: I'm convinced that Jacob is part of the matrix and
Speaker 2: in order to fool us all.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna listen back to this episode I'm watching
Speaker 1: for this time, before the rooster crows tomorrow morning, den
Speaker 1: me three times? He got he got the receipt on yours.
Speaker 3: I'm down.
Speaker 1: Okay, I repeated it.
Speaker 3: I said, okay, let me make sure I got you right.
Speaker 3: You said Peter, I said, I said, Peter denied him
Speaker 3: three times, and then the cock crowed after that? Is
Speaker 3: that what you said? And then I asked Jonathan, is.
Speaker 1: That what he said?
Speaker 3: Yes, yep, right, all this is is a memory quiz.
Speaker 3: That's all this is.
Speaker 1: Wait, isn't that what just got said?
Speaker 2: No, it crows twice and then then got denied on
Speaker 2: the third time. You said that the cock the that
Speaker 2: it crowed three times.
Speaker 3: No, no, Peter denies him three times and then the
Speaker 3: cock crows. Yeah, that's what we all remember, ya what
Speaker 3: this is saying? So how many times does the cock
Speaker 3: crow only once? In this one? The cock crows twice?
Speaker 1: Oh wait, no, no, no, that wasn't the part that
Speaker 1: I thought was a thing. Hold on him denying him
Speaker 1: three times and then the rooster crowing. The number of
Speaker 1: times the rooster crowed never like even occurred to me. No, No,
Speaker 1: I'm saying that he would deny and then the rooster crow,
Speaker 1: for sure, the number of times are crowed. I didn't
Speaker 1: even know that was a thing, Gonna be honest.
Speaker 3: Well, now now you've got this, which is totally foreign.
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, man, there's no way he crowed twice.
Speaker 1: That's wild. So you're telling me that he had already
Speaker 1: done it twice, heard the rooster, had an opportunity to
Speaker 1: not make that happen, and then did it again. But
Speaker 1: that's also because he was in the town. His Lord
Speaker 1: and Savior just got arrested, and he was scared for
Speaker 1: his life, so he was willing to say anything to
Speaker 1: get the heat off of him. So it's again a
Speaker 1: person hit him up. He was like, wait, I know you.
Speaker 1: I saw him. You with him. He's like, no, I
Speaker 1: don't know him. Was like, ah shit, yeah, I'll be damn.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what, Jacob. Sometimes you are a fucking
Speaker 2: mister Smith to me. Dude, there are certain times I
Speaker 2: feel like I'm Medio and you're just mister Smith telling
Speaker 2: me there's matrix is perfect, the world is just fine.
Speaker 3: What.
Speaker 1: I don't get that vibe off of any of this conversation.
Speaker 1: But okay, no, I'm just fucking with you. Maybe the
Speaker 1: glasses does it shit.
Speaker 3: Maybe all right, let's go to Isaiah. Let's go first,
Speaker 3: all right, So these are biblical paradoxes. Let's go to
Speaker 3: Isaiah thirty six twelve. Isaiah is a prophetic book. Correct? Well,
Speaker 3: what does that mean?
Speaker 1: That means that it's certain passages of it? Correct me
Speaker 1: if I'm wrong? Are not literal. They're like in a
Speaker 1: dream state, or given to him through an angel or
Speaker 1: something along these lines. I could be wrong. Am I
Speaker 1: spelling Isaiah wrong? How do you spell that? H Isaiah?
Speaker 5: What now?
Speaker 3: Isaiah thirty six twelve.
Speaker 1: Thirty six twelve, Let's see here, but reb chike, excuse
Speaker 1: me if I mispronounced that to anybody of that genome?
Speaker 1: Hath my master sent me to thy master and to
Speaker 1: thee to speak these words? Hath He not sent me
Speaker 1: to the men that sit upon the wall, that they
Speaker 1: may eat their own dungue and drink their own piss
Speaker 1: with you? Damn?
Speaker 3: Okay? How long am I reading the wrong way?
Speaker 1: Huh?
Speaker 3: I think that kind of hits me the wrong way.
Speaker 3: How about you?
Speaker 1: What do you mean it hits you the wrong way?
Speaker 3: You got people drinking their own piss and eating their
Speaker 3: own dungue? Bible? If that was in there? I studied
Speaker 3: the Bible when I was in full time history without
Speaker 3: exaggeration at least three to four hours a day for
Speaker 3: ten years, and then intensely for another twenty years. So
Speaker 3: I've been studying the Bible for thirty years intensely, and
Speaker 3: then another ten years not intensely. Okay, So if the
Speaker 3: Bible anywhere talked about people drinking their own piss and
Speaker 3: eating their own dung, I would have known it.
Speaker 1: But look at the context of this. He's talking about
Speaker 1: how they gave the world civilization, telling.
Speaker 3: You if people were drinking piss and eating their own dung,
Speaker 3: I would have known it was in there because I've
Speaker 3: read through the thing I don't know how many times,
Speaker 3: and what I'm saying is, this is the first time
Speaker 3: this has ever come to my attention, and I could
Speaker 3: do this with twenty pastors. Hey, pastor, does your Bible
Speaker 3: talk about anybody ever drinking their own piss and eating
Speaker 3: their own dung? Of course not. Yeah, it's in there,
Speaker 3: So it's just a memory thing. The whole what I
Speaker 3: call commentary man. Commentary man comes to the rescue. He
Speaker 3: puts on his cake and he's going to explain why
Speaker 3: it's in there. I don't care, Okay, it doesn't matter
Speaker 3: why it's in there. It's boring to me.
Speaker 1: So whenever it talks about rape, or it talks about
Speaker 1: murdering children, it talks about any of these other horrible,
Speaker 1: horrible things, where's the outrage the fact that drinking piss,
Speaker 1: isn't it That's where you draw the line. That's terrible. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you failure.
Speaker 3: Okay, Now, this one is both wildly unfamiliar and a
Speaker 3: biblical paradox.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's fair. I've never heard of this passage before,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you. But again, I'm not a
Speaker 1: doctoral of the Book of Isaiah, but I mean, wow,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie eating their own tongue and drinking
Speaker 1: their own piss. That's kind of a new one for me.
Speaker 1: There's no way to slice down. Dude, what dude savages?
Speaker 3: That's savagery, gonna I'm gonna turn you on ato another
Speaker 3: one Isaiah's sixty verse sixteen. Roll over into that.
Speaker 1: One, sixty verse sixteen. Let's sixty verse sixteen of the
Speaker 1: Cult of Conspiracy. If you're on your Bible app at home,
Speaker 1: please do so. Go to the King James version or
Speaker 1: whatever one is up new international. Let's just compare contrast
Speaker 1: notes in the comments below, and whatever y'all, let's hit
Speaker 1: up that algorithmic matrix.
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Speaker 3: Baby.
Speaker 1: All right, So Isaiah sixty, which you said sixteen sixteen,
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 3: Here we go.
Speaker 1: Thou shalt also suck the milk of the gentiles, and
Speaker 1: thou shalt suck the breast of kings, And thou shalt
Speaker 1: know that I the Lord and thy Savior and thy redeemer,
Speaker 1: the Mighty one of Jacob. For brass, I will bring gold,
Speaker 1: and for iron, I will bring silver, and for wood brass,
Speaker 1: and for stones, iron. I will also make thy officers peace.
Speaker 1: And Thine exactor is righteous. Violence shall be, or violence
Speaker 1: shall no more be heard in thy wasting, nor destruction
Speaker 1: within thy borders. But thou shalt call thy walls salvation
Speaker 1: and thy gates pray broll.
Speaker 3: You already went past it. It's it's verse sixteen.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I understand, but I'm just giving a
Speaker 1: little you know, we're talking about.
Speaker 3: All this context. Well, you got man breastfeeding, you got
Speaker 3: people sucking the breast of kings. That's outrageous. Okay, it's
Speaker 3: a show stopper, and then in numbers eleven twelve.
Speaker 1: It's talking about what I mean, do you think they're
Speaker 1: talking about people physically sucking on a man's tit?
Speaker 3: Bruh, did Well, that's what it says. Did I conceive
Speaker 3: all this people? This is numbers eleven twelve? Did I
Speaker 3: beget them that they should say to me, carry them
Speaker 3: in your bosom as a guardian carries a nursing child.
Speaker 1: Well, this is the wrong version, all right, So have
Speaker 1: I conceived all this people? Have I begotten them that
Speaker 1: thou shalt shouldest say unto me? Carry them into thy
Speaker 1: bosom as a nursing father beareth a sucking child onto
Speaker 1: the land which they're swearest, unt to their fathers.
Speaker 2: A nursing father, sucking child? What are we talking about?
Speaker 1: He's asking questions.
Speaker 3: Thank you Jonathan for being like like rational. Okay, how
Speaker 3: far does it have to get?
Speaker 1: Moses is talking to God. He's Moses said, unto the Lord,
Speaker 1: wherefore hast thou afflicted thy servant? And wherefore have I
Speaker 1: not found favor in sight? And we're the burden of
Speaker 1: these people upon me? He's like, hold on, dude, I've
Speaker 1: done everything you've asked me. How how is this my fault?
Speaker 1: Am I there? Am I there?
Speaker 3: Childcare Smith's behavior, don't I don't.
Speaker 1: Think bingo, sir, thank you? How is this agent smith behavior?
Speaker 1: Understand using this?
Speaker 3: This is an analogy carry them in your bosom like
Speaker 3: a nursing father. So so the Bible is telling me
Speaker 3: that fathers can nurse their babies.
Speaker 1: This is why he's saying it so incredulously with question marks.
Speaker 1: He's not saying it's a fact. He's saying it like, bro,
Speaker 1: what do you expect from me? Huh, there's a question
Speaker 1: mark on that. There's a reason.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see you're trying to say. But even still, regardless,
Speaker 2: are you saying what I'm saying or what it's saying?
Speaker 1: Doctor?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: No, no, I understand your point. I understand what you're
Speaker 2: trying to say that he's basically saying. Look, I'm not
Speaker 2: I'm not deceiving all these people. I'm not the one
Speaker 2: that's that's telling all the people to.
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be the father to let them suckle
Speaker 1: at my teet here, like, what do you what do
Speaker 1: you want? Bro, I'm not a miracle worker. You did
Speaker 1: the plagues, you did the miracles.
Speaker 2: I'm just leading them interesting, but even still to suggest
Speaker 2: that to God.
Speaker 1: You know, Moses, you have to understand that Moses is
Speaker 1: the only human being to ever walk the earth other
Speaker 1: than Jesus, to have this close of a relationship to
Speaker 1: where he and God literally conversed backwards and forwards daily.
Speaker 1: He actually saw God's glory at least at one point
Speaker 1: in time. Like, you have to understand that Moses is
Speaker 1: not just a guy.
Speaker 3: He's the guy, right, all right, But taken in the aggregate,
Speaker 3: what happens is these examples are first of all foreign,
Speaker 3: and I can basically get a pastor to reluctantly admit
Speaker 3: that he never knew it was in his Bible. He
Speaker 3: never knew it was in his Bible. He never knew,
Speaker 3: And after him, you have blown my mind tonight. Fifteen
Speaker 3: twenty examples where the guy's never heard of it before.
Speaker 3: It becomes like, you know, it's the guy the pilot.
Speaker 3: This can't even identify ten instruments. There's something going on here,
Speaker 3: not a good love. It's not a good look. No
Speaker 3: it isn't. It's what But these these add another element,
Speaker 3: look like Proverbs. Proverbs twenty six ten says God rewards
Speaker 3: fools and transgressors, but so so what the pastors are
Speaker 3: having to say, Well, it doesn't mean that. Oh, then
Speaker 3: we say Proverbs twenty six ten.
Speaker 1: Twenty six ten.
Speaker 2: The Great God that formed all things both rewardeth the
Speaker 2: full and rewardeth transgressors.
Speaker 1: Do returneth to his turneth to his volley. Folly, folly.
Speaker 1: If thou a man wise in his own conceit, there
Speaker 1: is more hope of a fool than of him. Basically,
Speaker 1: what he's saying is, yes, sometimes God gives good shit
Speaker 1: to bad people, but you'll understand and watch how they'll
Speaker 1: return to their bad ways regardless.
Speaker 2: What are you saying about this specific passage, Joe.
Speaker 3: Well, what I'm saying is it's a biblical paradox. God
Speaker 3: doesn't reward fools.
Speaker 1: Sometimes good things happen to bad people.
Speaker 3: That's stressors, right, But taken into aggreate it starts to
Speaker 3: wear this kind of rationalizing the meanings of these things
Speaker 3: because they're also wildly unfamiliar. It starts to become incredulous.
Speaker 3: It starts to become like nah, frog, I'm not buying it.
Speaker 3: Like Second Corinthians eight eleven, it says, I know it
Speaker 3: has Paul robbing churches. Second Corinthians eleven eight.
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, he was horrible at one point in time.
Speaker 3: Well, no, what I'm saying is I can go into
Speaker 3: a pastor's office and I can get the pastor to
Speaker 3: say to me ten or fifteen times in a row. Well, John,
Speaker 3: it doesn't really mean that.
Speaker 1: Wait, give me the word the verse you're talking about
Speaker 1: here we.
Speaker 3: Get second Corinthians eleven eight, eleven eight.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I went to eight eleven says I robbed
Speaker 2: other churches, taking wages of them to do you service.
Speaker 3: All right, now, listen, I got enough sense. I'm not
Speaker 3: even an apostle. Okay, I got enough sense to know
Speaker 3: that if I'm writing these letters to the churches. I
Speaker 3: don't know if he knew that this was going to
Speaker 3: become canonized and become, you know, spiritual law for all ages.
Speaker 3: But for sure these letters were weighty. Right, I got
Speaker 3: enough sense not to use that kind of imagery.
Speaker 1: But because he needs to, they need to understand that
Speaker 1: even if I, who was about this life, am telling
Speaker 1: you these words through Jesus, you have to understand who
Speaker 1: I'm talking about, because I was the man of a man.
Speaker 3: Let's say, Jacob, your pastor, and I'm a second story guy.
Speaker 3: I robbed for a living, but I'm anxious for my soul.
Speaker 3: So I come into your church and you happen to
Speaker 3: be preaching on you know, Second Corinthians, and you can
Speaker 3: hit this verse. And I'm sitting in the last row,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, sweet, I can keep being a second
Speaker 3: story guy and I can go to heaven. So and
Speaker 3: I come up to you and I say, hey, this
Speaker 3: is awesome, man. I can keep robbing if Paul was
Speaker 3: Robin's churches, so I can keep being a thief. How
Speaker 3: are you going to explain that to me?
Speaker 1: I feel like that's not exactly what just God said,
Speaker 1: because once again we look and test the spirit. If
Speaker 1: the pastor is only preaching on verse eight alone, then
Speaker 1: like there's a problem here, because if you look verse.
Speaker 3: You could read the whole passage. I don't care. But
Speaker 3: he's saying, I explain to me why I can't rob.
Speaker 3: I'm not allowed to rob? Or Paul is robing?
Speaker 1: Okay, he's saying that basically Paul in the False Apostles
Speaker 1: Verse one. I'm looking at the new International version. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna flip over to King James. I hope you will
Speaker 1: put up with me. In a little foolishness. Yes, please
Speaker 1: put up with me. I am jealous for you, with
Speaker 1: a godly jealousy. I promised you to be one husband
Speaker 1: to Christ so that I may present you as a
Speaker 1: pure virgin to him. He is talking about the church
Speaker 1: in general, right as the church.
Speaker 3: I can actually help him because I've read the commentaries
Speaker 3: and I can tell you what what the meaning is
Speaker 3: supposed to be, which is which is the churches provided
Speaker 3: Paul with so much benefit that he felt like he
Speaker 3: was robbing them. Okay, I get the underlying meaning. But
Speaker 3: this is fifty of these now, and we're coming at
Speaker 3: the church and we're saying, well, this is what it
Speaker 3: says and what we're being told, Well, it doesn't really
Speaker 3: mean that. You have to look at the original. Well,
Speaker 3: the original for rob is to rob, So the original
Speaker 3: means robbed, and the English words mean robbed. So then
Speaker 3: we go we go to like, you know, Revelation chapter one,
Speaker 3: verse thirteen. Try that one on. Pull that one up
Speaker 3: for a second.
Speaker 1: Revelations chapter one, verse thirteen. Yeah, all right, here we go,
Speaker 1: King James. And in the midst of the seven candlesticks,
Speaker 1: one like unto the Son of Man, clothed with a
Speaker 1: garment down to the foot and girt about the paps
Speaker 1: with a golden girdle. Yeah, you brought this up last
Speaker 1: time you're on the show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, baby, So paps is the word mastos, which is
Speaker 3: female breasts. Yes, there is another word which is stethos,
Speaker 3: which is male breasts. Fair. And so it's a really
Speaker 3: difficult problem because we're being told, well, the English words
Speaker 3: don't really mean what they clearly say, like Paul isn't
Speaker 3: really robbing, and it's two men in a bed, it's
Speaker 3: not really mean they're doing something. Or you know, turtles
Speaker 3: doesn't really mean turtles. Okay, well this means female breasts
Speaker 3: in the original. Okay, so now you can't tell me
Speaker 3: it's not the English Word's not that, it's the context.
Speaker 3: You have to take the full right. I'm like crying,
Speaker 3: uncle man. I'm like, you know, I already know the
Speaker 3: Mandel effect is happening because we got flip flops, mirror,
Speaker 3: mirror on the wall never existed, right, we already know
Speaker 3: the Mandel fect is real, and so it's very easy
Speaker 3: for us to accept that it's also affecting the Bible.
Speaker 3: And so we're going in and we're finding all these
Speaker 3: wildly unfamiliar passages. And now there's these themes LBGT themes.
Speaker 3: So look in that one it talks about wearing a girdle.
Speaker 3: You got men wearing bonnets, girdles, purses, lace. You got
Speaker 3: all these weird, unfamiliar passages where men in the Old
Speaker 3: Testament are kissing each other.
Speaker 1: So this Testament, Jesus was the trade with a kiss.
Speaker 3: So at a certain point, and now Jesus is touching babies.
Speaker 3: We all remember that they brought children to him to
Speaker 3: bless them. But now.
Speaker 1: Actually the prophets turned them away. At first, the disciples
Speaker 1: turned the children away, and Jesus told him, when I know,
Speaker 1: let the children through. If they don't start learning the
Speaker 1: world at this age, they'll never learn it.
Speaker 3: So if Jesus has female breasts and they're bringing babies
Speaker 3: to him to touch him, Let's say I'm a Satanic
Speaker 3: pedophile and I come into your church and I'm anxious
Speaker 3: for my soul. But then i find out Jesus's female breast,
Speaker 3: so he's pictured as Baphomet, and then he's touching babies,
Speaker 3: so maybe he's the pedophile. You know, I'm sorry, but
Speaker 3: this is what you know is in my Bible. And
Speaker 3: then it's two men that are in the bed and
Speaker 3: two women grinding, and grinding is a euphemism for sex
Speaker 3: in the Book of Job where it says if you
Speaker 3: disobey God, let women, let another man grind on your wife.
Speaker 3: So grinding is a euphemism for sex. So you got
Speaker 3: two men in a bed and two women grinding. These
Speaker 3: are themes which are being picked up by ALBGT theologians
Speaker 3: and they're writing articles see It's okay to be gay
Speaker 3: because one of them got raptured.
Speaker 1: Once again, you have to also look at the context.
Speaker 1: What is happening in this. Is this being mentioned as
Speaker 1: a way to say how wrong it is, as a
Speaker 1: way to say this is a negative thing, or is
Speaker 1: it just being mentioned for the hell of it? Once again,
Speaker 1: context literally means everything.
Speaker 3: Well, I think it would say it's condonia because that's
Speaker 3: what the LBGT community said pointing to it.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, then let's talk about the Book of Romans
Speaker 1: where it talks about marriage being of one man and
Speaker 1: one woman. Well, that specifically only meant that's one man
Speaker 1: and that one woman. I am not that one man
Speaker 1: it was referring to and or nor is my wife
Speaker 1: that one woman. Therefore, does it even apply to us today? See,
Speaker 1: we can't just do that. We have to actually look
Speaker 1: at the context of what's actually being discussed and why.
Speaker 3: Well, how many people are in the Jackson five?
Speaker 1: I think five? I guess that was really random. But
Speaker 1: we're talking to the Jackson five.
Speaker 3: The six.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you brought that one up last time.
Speaker 5: Two.
Speaker 1: That blew my mind.
Speaker 3: Look, here's the original picture of the Jackson five. One, two, three, four, five, six,
Speaker 3: And here's a picture of them, and there's six of them.
Speaker 3: There's who was the youngest Jackson.
Speaker 1: We all were given to believe Michael.
Speaker 3: Michael, That's what I remember. But there was another one.
Speaker 3: This guy here, This guy is like younger than Michael.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest with you. I was born in
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 1: To my actual verification, I don't know that he was
Speaker 1: ever black, because I don't know if every picture I've
Speaker 1: ever seen has been doctored at all. I only remember
Speaker 1: Michael Jackson being white and dangling his baby over a balcony.
Speaker 1: Apparently allegedly he was a part of the Jackson five.
Speaker 1: Jacob can't verify that Jacob was born in nineteen ninety two.
Speaker 1: You're making a joke out of it. Now, I see
Speaker 1: what you're doing, but I'm being serious. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of pictures, but I mean, how do I know that
Speaker 1: that's real?
Speaker 5: Shit?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're making a folly of it, is what
Speaker 2: you doing?
Speaker 1: I'm not intending to if it's going the fuck out
Speaker 1: there with that?
Speaker 3: Ever is customer man?
Speaker 2: He is? He done this very thing as a reference? Yeah,
Speaker 2: but that's no, that doesn't apply here. Why not because
Speaker 2: it doesn't because you've done.
Speaker 1: That a million times to examples provided brom not like this.
Speaker 2: But I do want to get to you know, you
Speaker 2: were referencing about the LGBT Bible and stuff like that
Speaker 2: and how they make mention of it. I actually found
Speaker 2: a website it's called Saint Hugh dot net, and clearly
Speaker 2: this is a LGBT Bible thing because it says God
Speaker 2: loves you no exceptions.
Speaker 1: It true.
Speaker 2: What does the Bible say about homosexuality, same sex attraction,
Speaker 2: and being transgender?
Speaker 1: Says?
Speaker 2: This collection of scripture was compiled by several members of
Speaker 2: our congregation whose LGBTQ family members have experienced hurt and
Speaker 2: rejection from people who.
Speaker 1: Told them that God condemned them because of who they were.
Speaker 2: Our goal is to highlight some of the many messages
Speaker 2: of love and inclusion that are in the Bible, and
Speaker 2: to help people consider the original meaning of the passages
Speaker 2: that have been used to condemn LGBT people, sometimes called
Speaker 2: the clobber versus.
Speaker 1: We are rapidly approaching that slippery slope, sir.
Speaker 2: I mean, hey, it's not our opinion, it's a website.
Speaker 2: It says nothing can separate us from the love of God.
Speaker 1: That's very true. Okay.
Speaker 2: It says this message is for all people, including LGBT. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: I want to get to the actual thing.
Speaker 1: What are they? All people are justified through Christ.
Speaker 2: God did not make a mistake in creating LGBTQ people
Speaker 2: for and then it quotes it says, for for you
Speaker 2: created my inmost being. You knit me together in your
Speaker 2: in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am
Speaker 2: fearfully and wonderfully made. Your works are wonderful. I know
Speaker 2: that full well. And then it says sexual identity. Sexual
Speaker 2: identity and gender identity are components of a person's personality
Speaker 2: and as such are part of who God made each
Speaker 2: of us to be.
Speaker 1: Hold on time. Is it a personality or a way
Speaker 1: you're born? Dammit? Hold on, moving on? I mean yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you could. You could make it.
Speaker 2: You can make an argument that your identity would be
Speaker 2: your personality.
Speaker 1: Of what else is it? I don't know, I'm asking.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, you know, but it says Jesus warned
Speaker 2: us against using anti gaslers.
Speaker 1: It says the in matt didn't no way correct.
Speaker 2: In Matthew five twenty two, it says anyone who stay,
Speaker 2: or anyone who says to a brother or sister raka
Speaker 2: is is answerable to the court. The original Greek text
Speaker 2: does not include sister, and the word raka is most
Speaker 2: likely a transliteration of the Arabic word raka, which is
Speaker 2: the feminine form of the adjective that means to bet,
Speaker 2: to be tender, weak, or soft. So this would be
Speaker 2: comparable to calling a man a sissy or worse.
Speaker 1: That's kind of a stretch, That's what I'm saying. There's
Speaker 1: always these stretches that are taken, and you have to
Speaker 1: look at it a certain way.
Speaker 2: And it's Oh, David and Jonathan were these homosexuals. Let's
Speaker 2: see examples of love between the same gender.
Speaker 1: And the Bible. Damn all right.
Speaker 2: It says after David had finished talking with Saul, Jonathan
Speaker 2: became one in spirit with David, and he loved him
Speaker 2: as himself. David says, of Jonathan, your love for me
Speaker 2: as what your love for me was wonderful, more wonderful
Speaker 2: than that of women.
Speaker 3: Oh hold on, second, Samuel one, twenty six. Let me
Speaker 3: pull that up.
Speaker 1: Second second Samuel won twenty six. Yep. Wow, there's some
Speaker 1: I didn't know this. Hey, look, let's see what the
Speaker 1: man's got to say on it.
Speaker 2: And then it gets into Ruth in Naomi and then
Speaker 2: the centurion and his servant as.
Speaker 1: Well, the centurion being the Roman. Yeah, there was a
Speaker 1: lot of homosexuality in Rome. It's kind of well documented.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, God, so Ruth and Naomi. Ruth expresses her
Speaker 1: devotion to Naomi with wherever you go, I will go.
Speaker 2: Wherever you live, I will live. Your people will be
Speaker 2: my people, and your God will be my God. Wherever
Speaker 2: you die, I will die, and there will be uh
Speaker 2: there I will be buried. May the Lord deal with me,
Speaker 2: be it ever so severely, if even death separates you
Speaker 2: and me.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, we are not going to
Speaker 1: make a Naomi and Ruth lesbian couple happen here. That
Speaker 1: was a mother in law to a daughter, and I
Speaker 1: love lesbian's brother. They're awesome. No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's not what we're doing here. Whenever she married into
Speaker 1: this tribe, she left all of her people behind. Naomi
Speaker 1: had nowhere to I'm sorry, Ruth had nowhere to go.
Speaker 1: Excud know it was Naomi. Ruth was the mother in law.
Speaker 1: Excuse me she had that was it? She basically said, No,
Speaker 1: I'm married into this life. I am with you. I
Speaker 1: am blood of your blood and bone of your bone
Speaker 1: through my marriage to your son, even though he's dead
Speaker 1: now like you're my family, You're all I have left.
Speaker 2: You're saying, definitely no scissoring going on, absolut fucking what
Speaker 2: the hell?
Speaker 3: No, No, I got one more. This is a kind
Speaker 3: of a new one. Check out Isaiah eight, all right
Speaker 3: from the first one. Because I've asked, I've asked a
Speaker 3: few pastors this. I haven't had a chance to ask
Speaker 3: so many, but I said, hey, pastor, uh, is you
Speaker 3: story that Isaiah knocked up a prophetess? Did he ever
Speaker 3: knock up a prophetesce?
Speaker 1: No, Isaiah what it says.
Speaker 3: Wait Isaiah. Chapter eight, verse one read three one, two three.
Speaker 1: Four Isaiah and his children as signs. The Lord said
Speaker 1: to me, take a large scroll and write on it
Speaker 1: with an ordinary pen. Mahers shallah shash Baz. So I
Speaker 1: call in Uriah the priest and Zacharai, son of Jezbikia,
Speaker 1: as reliable witness for me. Oh, excuse me, excuse me.
Speaker 1: Hold on, I'm in the new international version. Hold On,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say before I read this next line, because
Speaker 1: here's where it gets spicy. Ladies and gentlemen. Understand. This
Speaker 1: is new international We will in fact read King James.
Speaker 3: Hold on.
Speaker 1: Then I made love to the prophet Tess, and she
Speaker 1: conceived and gave birth to a son. And the Lord
Speaker 1: said to me, name him mahrs shall lal hash Baz,
Speaker 1: for before the boy knows how to say my father
Speaker 1: or my mother, the wealth of Damascus and the plunder
Speaker 1: of Samaria will be carried off by the king of Assyria.
Speaker 1: That is a direct quote. The Lord said to me, No,
Speaker 1: so this doesn't This isn't a physical thing. This is
Speaker 1: a a thing that is being said to Isaiah.
Speaker 3: Okay, right, okay, okay, but My point is, see, I'm
Speaker 3: just making you know, just common sense question. Hey, pastor,
Speaker 3: is it your understanding that Isaiah ever knocked up a prophetence?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: Okay? In other words, in other words, the guy read
Speaker 3: the Bible who God knows how many times and it's
Speaker 3: right in Isaiah chapter eight, verses one through four, and
Speaker 3: he never knew it. How is that possible? It's not possible.
Speaker 1: Well, that's because it actually wasn't a physical thing. It
Speaker 1: was a It was a thing that was being told
Speaker 1: to him, and it was a whole thing later. But
Speaker 1: so he was told that mad And.
Speaker 3: I don't know how you're getting that. This is not
Speaker 3: a metaphor. This is really this is.
Speaker 1: Literally Isaiah's children, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Well, if you if you're understand that was his wife,
Speaker 3: hold on, if you're exegating this passage, there's no difference
Speaker 3: here that it's metaphorical. Oh, Jesus, Jesus is a door
Speaker 3: that's metaphorical. Jesus wapped that's not metaphorical. Okay. There's no
Speaker 3: inference here that this is to be interpreted with proper hermeneutics,
Speaker 3: that this is metaphorical. This is literal. The guys knocked
Speaker 3: up a prophetesce.
Speaker 1: So is this supposed to be his wife?
Speaker 3: Well, I don't care if I go out, if I
Speaker 3: go out to these content experts who have lived in
Speaker 3: this book for four decades, and I say, is it
Speaker 3: your memory that that the Isaiah knocked up a prophetess.
Speaker 3: Well you got to look at it and love to
Speaker 3: a prophetess and they had a baby, and then call
Speaker 3: him mahaal Baja binga banga. And then they're like, no, no,
Speaker 3: I never heard of that. That's not possible.
Speaker 1: But it's understood that he had two sons. Well, I
Speaker 1: don't care.
Speaker 3: Okay, you're you're trying to be commentary. Man. What I'm
Speaker 3: saying is this is very simple. You're complicating it. This
Speaker 3: is a memory quiz. And if you go to your
Speaker 3: aging parent and they don't recognize you, you're not going
Speaker 3: to give me some rational explanation for that. There is
Speaker 3: only one explanation. She has all timers. Now what if
Speaker 3: she doesn't have all time? Hold on, wait a minute,
Speaker 3: hold and there's no rational explanation. You see what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: recognizing your own child?
Speaker 1: Hold on, No, no, I hear you, I hear you,
Speaker 1: But hold on, Isaiah was married. His wife called the
Speaker 1: prophetess in Isaiah eight three, which seemed to be more
Speaker 1: than merely the wife of a prophet. Evidently, like Deborah
Speaker 1: of the time of Judges and like Halda during Josiah's reign,
Speaker 1: she had a prophetic assignment from Jehovah. How interesting, right,
Speaker 1: So you got to your boy. You look at it
Speaker 1: right here, it's in second King's twenty two fourteen. So
Speaker 1: she wasn't just the wife of a It's understood that,
Speaker 1: first of all, that was his wife, not just he
Speaker 1: knocked up a prophet. No, he impregnated his wife. That's
Speaker 1: there's a different wording that sounds.
Speaker 3: Remember, nobody has any memory of Isaiah having a wife.
Speaker 3: It's all foreign to us. We don't have a memory
Speaker 3: of him having anybody.
Speaker 1: No, because I'm getting taken up in chariots of fire
Speaker 1: kind of eclipses that little tidbit. I suppose. I don't know.
Speaker 3: At a certain point, I'd never heard of the Bible
Speaker 3: sacrificing turtles. I'd never heard of female sheep. I never
Speaker 3: heard of flying females with wings. I never heard of
Speaker 3: Isaiah having a baby. I never heard of this. I
Speaker 3: never heard of that and after about ten of those
Speaker 3: in a row. Something's wrong in Denmark, something's not It's
Speaker 3: like the pilot with getting ten instruments. It can't happen.
Speaker 3: And I don't care what the rationale is. This is
Speaker 3: what happened to me in a pastor's study about one
Speaker 3: hundred times. Right, every time I go, hey, pastor, who
Speaker 3: laid down with the lamb? They go the lion, And
Speaker 3: now they go over there and it would be wolf,
Speaker 3: and this is what they do. Oh well wolf, Oh well, well, yeah,
Speaker 3: I can explain why this is there because the wolf
Speaker 3: represents blah blah blah. And they go off on this
Speaker 3: explanation and I'm sitting there waiting for them to finish. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: and I'm saying, okay, well that's interesting. But you said lion. Yes,
Speaker 3: why did you say lion? Well, you know the lion
Speaker 3: is this, but the wolf. I don't care what the
Speaker 3: wolf represents. You had a catastrophic memory failure, and so
Speaker 3: did one hundred million other pastors. They all say, lying,
Speaker 3: it's not possible. Period. It's the end of the conversation.
Speaker 3: There is no way to explain you waking up tomorrow
Speaker 3: and having your names different or your mom doesn't recognize
Speaker 3: you and she doesn't have Alzheimer's, or the pilot gets
Speaker 3: ten questions wrong and he doesn't have mental illness and
Speaker 3: he's on drugs. The only explanation is that something unexplainable
Speaker 3: is happening. Period, end of story. Repent, surrender, give it up,
Speaker 3: Agree with me, It's done.
Speaker 2: There is no explanation for it, right, yeah, there's I mean,
Speaker 2: how do you explain that away? You can explain it
Speaker 2: by saying, oh, well, yeah, I understand why it would
Speaker 2: be wolf, but like, that's not the point. The point
Speaker 2: is is that you remember it being lion and it's
Speaker 2: not lyon, So where did that come from?
Speaker 1: No, there's even songs that are being sung about this,
Speaker 1: the lion and the lamb.
Speaker 3: Okay, let me let me respond to that.
Speaker 1: Okay, So here's the man.
Speaker 3: That's what you're inferring. Okay, there's songs about the lines.
Speaker 3: So here's what you're referring. I read the Bible, and
Speaker 3: I read a daily devotional like Oswald Chambers. Then I
Speaker 3: listened to guys preaching on Sunday. Then I listened to sermons,
Speaker 3: and I listen to Christian music, and I go to
Speaker 3: a Bible study. So there's seven influences. All of them
Speaker 3: are telling me that the wolf lay down with the
Speaker 3: lamb if the Bible has always said that, hold on,
Speaker 3: just stay with me. So weeks turn into monds, months
Speaker 3: turn into years, and I have seven influences hitting me
Speaker 3: throughout this timeframe, all of them in four saying whoa
Speaker 3: full full, full full fool. But somebody which you don't
Speaker 3: know who, right, like who song sang the song? Do
Speaker 3: you know who it is?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 1: That's actually been saying about a lot of people. It's
Speaker 1: called how Great is Our God? It's a very very
Speaker 1: popular song and a lot of denominations.
Speaker 3: It's one song.
Speaker 1: And then well, I'm saying that the saying predates the song.
Speaker 1: I'm saying the song has been made because it's been
Speaker 1: so understood to be a thing. And I'm trying to
Speaker 1: find any reference of a lion and a lamb together
Speaker 1: in the Bible.
Speaker 3: It's wild, right, because it's it's this idea of we're told, Well, John,
Speaker 3: I can clear this up. This is just because of
Speaker 3: misquotes from pop culture and my response, okay, well who
Speaker 3: misquoted it? Well? I don't know that, all right, So
Speaker 3: it's a handle Mary, guess, so you really don't know.
Speaker 1: No, I'm looking right here Revelation five five and six,
Speaker 1: and this is a reference of a lion and a lamb.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that is the lion and the lamb
Speaker 1: are laying down the lion in the lamb. You're correct
Speaker 1: one hundred percent that the wolf and the lamb is
Speaker 1: in fact the verse, and that people are not getting
Speaker 1: that correct. However, that being said, there is a reference
Speaker 1: in the Book of Revelations, chapter five, verse five talking
Speaker 1: about a lion and a lamb. Here is a direct
Speaker 1: quote King James version. And one of the elders saith
Speaker 1: unto me, weep not behold the lion of the tribe
Speaker 1: of Judah, the root of David hath prevailed to open
Speaker 1: the brook, excuse me the book, and to loose the
Speaker 1: seven seals thereof verse six. And I behiled and low
Speaker 1: in the midst of the throne, and on the four breasts,
Speaker 1: and in the miss excuse, and on the four beasts
Speaker 1: and the mists of the elder, stood a lamb, as
Speaker 1: it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes,
Speaker 1: which there are seven spirits of God set forth into
Speaker 1: all the earth. So that is. I'm not saying that
Speaker 1: this is what they're believing or remembering them. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that that's the only thing I could find as
Speaker 1: far as a reference to a lion in a lamb.
Speaker 1: But you wouldn't look.
Speaker 2: At that verse in the Bible and then make a
Speaker 2: lion in the lamb fucking nursery rhyme.
Speaker 1: No, I would not, because even then, even in the
Speaker 1: new international version international version, then one of the elders
Speaker 1: said to me, do not weep. See the line of
Speaker 1: the tribal Judah. The root of David has triumphed. He
Speaker 1: is able to open the scrolls and at seven seals.
Speaker 1: Then I saw lamb looking as if it had been slain,
Speaker 1: standing in the center of the throne, encircled by four
Speaker 1: living creatures, and the elders the lamb at seven horns,
Speaker 1: seven eyes, which are the seven spirits. So either way
Speaker 1: a slice that that is not the lion and the
Speaker 1: lamb that they are singing about, or if it is,
Speaker 1: they sure the hell don't know. It's from the Book
Speaker 1: of Revelation.
Speaker 2: Right, there's not a lot of for urcery rhymes that
Speaker 2: are talking like that are being born from Revelation.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think. I wouldn't think. You know, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: maybe some cultures do more of a fear based lullabies
Speaker 1: at night to their chut. I don't know. You know,
Speaker 1: the Germans have always been known for fear based shit,
Speaker 1: fear based holidays and whatnot. Look at crumpus.
Speaker 3: Well, I got a guy. I gotta guy's Actually I'm
Speaker 3: going to talk to him on Sunday. He's a good
Speaker 3: friend of mine.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: His name is doctor Paul Graftonholt. He's got like four
Speaker 3: theological degrees. He's written eleven academic theological books that are
Speaker 3: actually used in Bible colleges as curriculum. And his twelfth
Speaker 3: book is called The King James Bible and the Quantum Effect.
Speaker 3: So he's basically telling the world the Bible is supernaturally changing.
Speaker 3: All right, This guy is no joke, all right, he's
Speaker 3: got the credentials boom, all right, so base. And this
Speaker 3: is how he got convinced it was happening. Somebody was
Speaker 3: talking about the Mandeli effect and they talked about the
Speaker 3: Lord's Prayer and it's instead of transgressions, it says debts.
Speaker 3: And he was like, that's ridiculous. It doesn't say Debts.
Speaker 3: So he gets his Bible and it says debts. And
Speaker 3: then so he gets his wife and he's like, all right,
Speaker 3: go ahead and quote the Lord's prayer, and she says
Speaker 3: it with transgressions, forgive us our transgressions, as we forgive
Speaker 3: those who transgressed us. And he's like, look, and the
Speaker 3: wife goes, oh, well, this must be like a modernization
Speaker 3: or something. I'll go upstairs and get Grandma's Gutenberg. Now
Speaker 3: I've heard this, I don't know how many times now
Speaker 3: in seven years. So the natural reaction when you first
Speaker 3: see one of these things, because it's again it's super vivid,
Speaker 3: like the back of your hand, you know, these bookscs
Speaker 3: you've lived in it for decades, is to think somehow
Speaker 3: you got some cokamanie version. Right, It's not what you've
Speaker 3: been reading your whole life. But you know, in the
Speaker 3: back of your mind, if Grandma's Gutenberg, which has been
Speaker 3: locked up there for one hundred years, says Wolf, then
Speaker 3: I'll believe it. And so the wife goes up there
Speaker 3: and she gets to Gutenberg out of the chest, and
Speaker 3: sure enough it says Wolf. And now she comes down
Speaker 3: and she puts it on the table in front of it.
Speaker 3: And this guy who's a is a renown theologian leaps
Speaker 3: over a ten foot theological wall of rational thinking and
Speaker 3: he lands up the fact that he knows what he
Speaker 3: knows what he knows. So this is not in some
Speaker 3: ways you have to come as a little child. You
Speaker 3: have to kind of abandon the whole intellectual aspect of
Speaker 3: your being and just trust the force. Luke right, and
Speaker 3: you you just know what.
Speaker 2: You know, right, And you know there's something that I
Speaker 2: this really just reminds me of something. So anybody that
Speaker 2: is a huge fan John, do you watch The Office,
Speaker 2: the TV show.
Speaker 3: I've seen it. Yeah, it's pretty funny.
Speaker 2: Okay, So there's a there's a part in the show
Speaker 2: where Michael Scott he writes a book and it's all about,
Speaker 2: you know, like this superhero and he makes Dwight a character,
Speaker 2: but it's really somebody else who's like portraying like a
Speaker 2: shitty character or whatever. And for every word, instead of
Speaker 2: using the name Dwight, he called him something else. And
Speaker 2: and so he had it like autocorrect on his on
Speaker 2: his wherever he was typing at Microsoft word or whatever whatever,
Speaker 2: everywhere that it said the word Dwight.
Speaker 1: It would change it for this other word.
Speaker 2: Now, that doesn't change if you spell the name Dwight wrong, right,
Speaker 2: So if he spelled the name Dwight wrong once it
Speaker 2: was dwicked, it was like dw igt instead of the ght.
Speaker 2: So it didn't auto correct that part in the story.
Speaker 2: So whenever you're going back and you're reading the story
Speaker 2: and it's you know, it's all about this character who
Speaker 2: is like a shitty person or whatever, and it's being
Speaker 2: called this one name the whole time, except for that
Speaker 2: one part that didn't get autocorrected, where it still says
Speaker 2: Dwight or it still says dwied right, And it's like,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, it's almost like this Mandela effect is
Speaker 2: it's changing everything. You know, it's it's auto correcting everything
Speaker 2: except for the things that haven't been highlighted, and the
Speaker 2: things that aren't.
Speaker 1: The things that aren't being.
Speaker 2: Highlighted would be you know, your nursery rhymes are people's
Speaker 2: memory because you can't wipe that, see right.
Speaker 1: It's pretty crazy, dude. Look at this Matthew six right here.
Speaker 1: The Lord's were Matthew six nine through and it's crazy
Speaker 1: because you're right, trespasses is not said anywhere in the
Speaker 1: actual quote until the word amen. However, in verse fourteen,
Speaker 1: for if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father
Speaker 1: will also forgive you. But if ye forgive not men
Speaker 1: their trespasses, neither will your father forgive your trespasses. So, actually,
Speaker 1: in the Lord's prayer itself, trespasses is not used, is
Speaker 1: used directly after. That's interesting, sir.
Speaker 2: You know, I have a question for you, John, as
Speaker 2: far as all this goes. You know, you talk about
Speaker 2: how how it could be what First I thought that
Speaker 2: you were saying that God was the one, he was
Speaker 2: the living Word, and it's being changed through God. But
Speaker 2: you're then you kind of said that you know that
Speaker 2: God is essentially allowing the devil to change up scripture.
Speaker 2: So with that being said, if that, if that is
Speaker 2: your true belief, is the scripture now tainted because the
Speaker 2: devil has put his hands on it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And therefore, how.
Speaker 2: Do we know that there hasn't been millennia of changes
Speaker 2: throughout the throughout the Bible, that the devil hasn't already
Speaker 2: tainted that we just hasn't haven't caught onto yet because
Speaker 2: we weren't alive at that point in time. You know,
Speaker 2: maybe the people back in sixteen hundred or fifteen hundred
Speaker 2: or in the year eight hundred or whatever, maybe they
Speaker 2: all remember, you know, a specific Bible verse. Right, But
Speaker 2: then you take those people from the year eight hundred
Speaker 2: and you drop him in the year twenty twenty four
Speaker 2: and they start reading the Bible and they look at
Speaker 2: it and they say, whoa, there's been so much change.
Speaker 2: I would imagine that's a possibility as well.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, this is really causing us to question the
Speaker 3: canon a lot of things. And you know, what's what
Speaker 3: it's really doing is it's really making us realize that
Speaker 3: we had made an idol out of the Bible. I
Speaker 3: just did a talk on that. I can't remember what
Speaker 3: it's called, but biblical idolatry, where we exchange head knowledge
Speaker 3: for a relationship like the Pharisees, is perfect picture. Jesus
Speaker 3: was God. He showed up, and the Pharisees didn't recognize
Speaker 3: God was right there in front of him. And you know,
Speaker 3: they were devout though they were very learned, and they
Speaker 3: were like, you know, trying to.
Speaker 1: Kill Jesus, right, And he even said, like, y'all are
Speaker 1: so sanctified y'all even tie the tenth out of your
Speaker 1: spicy guard. Yeah, dude, you're like, y'a are those Holy rollers?
Speaker 3: Yep. So knowledge is you can't know God with your head.
Speaker 3: This is a relational thing, agreed, So taking the Bible,
Speaker 3: because what happens is with a lot of people included
Speaker 3: was we it's easier to say, oh, I'm going to
Speaker 3: the Bible study, I'm in the game. God knows them
Speaker 3: in the game. But you know, you're living with somebody.
Speaker 3: You know, you've got all these things in your life
Speaker 3: which you know are displeasing him and you're not dealing
Speaker 3: with him. But but you're busy with Christian activities, so
Speaker 3: you figure that's that's enough. But Jesus talked about people.
Speaker 3: He said, your heart is you honor me with your lips,
Speaker 3: but your heart is far from me. So this is
Speaker 3: a relational thing. And this, this Mendelifick thing is really
Speaker 3: causing a lot of us to front slide. It's not
Speaker 3: making us backslot.
Speaker 1: No, I could agree with that for sure. I believe
Speaker 1: that it is a relational thing. And while yes, also
Speaker 1: what Jesus was telling to those Pharisees was this this
Speaker 1: hunt for useless knowledge, this never ending quest for this,
Speaker 1: all this knowledge that you just know so deeply. Y'all
Speaker 1: understand it really doesn't matter, right, Like it's not. It
Speaker 1: is nothing to devote all this much of your life
Speaker 1: about when you could be devoting it to, you know,
Speaker 1: helping the poor and helping your people. I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe you know, shepherding your flock.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, man, you know, call me crazy, but this only
Speaker 2: further proves my point that it doesn't matter if it
Speaker 2: happened or not. Now follow me on this, okay. So,
Speaker 2: so if if if the Bible is saying one thing
Speaker 2: and it goes against your memory, right, but you hold
Speaker 2: what's in your memory to be profound and true and
Speaker 2: and it's full of gold and it's it's actual God's word.
Speaker 2: But then you go and look in the Bible and
Speaker 2: it's like no, no, no, no, you were wrong. Actually
Speaker 2: you're misremembering that. Let's just say that there's those people right. Well,
Speaker 2: now if you're going back in there and now, it
Speaker 2: doesn't really matter what the Bible says, because it's your
Speaker 2: memory of what that thing says. So in essence, if
Speaker 2: if Noah really was a guy, and there really was
Speaker 2: a flood and he really collected two of every animal? Sure,
Speaker 2: then it doesn't matter if if if he actually did
Speaker 2: it or not. It's more of the moral behind the story,
Speaker 2: because I mean, how crazy would it be that we
Speaker 2: you know, throughout the throughout the years, like moving forward,
Speaker 2: that you know, then we we catch on to a
Speaker 2: new Mandela effect and it's like, oh, Noah, you know, Noah,
Speaker 2: didn't you know he didn't collect two of every animal?
Speaker 1: You know, maybe it was just one. Well, now does
Speaker 1: that matter? Yeah, that matters because then they couldn't reproduce.
Speaker 2: That's what you'd think, right, So I don't know, it's
Speaker 2: just a weird, a weird thought.
Speaker 1: No, but I hear your point.
Speaker 3: The theological and the doctrinal ramifications of the Bible being
Speaker 3: covertly fiddled with by the devil are a line bending
Speaker 3: And I mean, I certainly don't have a lot of answers.
Speaker 3: All I'm doing is reporting that it's happening and showing
Speaker 3: the evidences that are so obvious. And this has been
Speaker 3: my track for the last seven years my YouTube channels
Speaker 3: wake Up or Else, and I provide a biblical analysis
Speaker 3: of the Mandel effect.
Speaker 1: Let me ask my wake up as you're talking about
Speaker 1: this wake up call, and you're finding the discrepancies. The
Speaker 1: discrepancies that you have found, have they been inherently negative?
Speaker 1: Now that's my point.
Speaker 3: I mean when you say discrepancies, you mean when we
Speaker 3: find something in our bibles that we believe has been
Speaker 3: supernaturally changed. Is that what you mean by a discrepancy?
Speaker 1: For example, bear with me, and I'm not coming at you,
Speaker 1: I'm genuinely asking as it because you have done some
Speaker 1: deep dives you have found fifty examples in all, I'm
Speaker 1: with you one thousand percent sweet. So with that, for example,
Speaker 1: the line and the wolf, okay, the fact that people
Speaker 1: are misremembering or that the Mandela effect has truly happened
Speaker 1: and it is the wolf even though it used to
Speaker 1: be the lion or some version thereof. Does it change
Speaker 1: the story? Does it change which is supposed to show
Speaker 1: for the passage? Why because it's a predatory animal and
Speaker 1: it's seen in that way? Does that matter? And does
Speaker 1: it detract from the point?
Speaker 3: Yes, some some changes are subtle okay in how they
Speaker 3: impact doctrine. But others are not subtle okay. And there's themes,
Speaker 3: like you know, we're seeing themes of vulgarity or themes
Speaker 3: of things that are inconsistent with the character of God.
Speaker 3: Like one of the things we find out is the
Speaker 3: character of God. Yeah, like this one is Mark eight
Speaker 3: twenty three says, and he took the blind man by
Speaker 3: the hand and led him out of the town. I'll
Speaker 3: let you pull it up, Mark eight twenty three, gotcha, dough, yep.
Speaker 3: So it's a good question. This is you know, what
Speaker 3: we're calling biblical paradoxes. Yeah, which seemed to run contrary
Speaker 3: to who we have always known God to be.
Speaker 1: Okay, so here we go, Matthew, or excuse me, Mark
Speaker 1: eight twenty three, King James, Version twenty three. Right, and
Speaker 1: he took the blind man by the hand and led
Speaker 1: him out into the out of the town. And when
Speaker 1: he had spit on his eyes and put his hands
Speaker 1: upon him, he asked him if he saw aught.
Speaker 3: Okay, so stop right there. So again, there's two aspects
Speaker 3: of this. There's the fact that I could ask twenty
Speaker 3: pastors right now, Okay, hey, pastor, in your memory, Jesus
Speaker 3: spit in the ground and made mud, and then he
Speaker 3: healed the guy. You remember that, Yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 3: Do you ever remember him spitting directly in a guy's
Speaker 3: face to him. No oh, no, no, why out of
Speaker 3: twenty will tell me? No, Oh, I could have told
Speaker 3: you this part, brother.
Speaker 1: No, Jesus drew into the dirt when it came to
Speaker 1: Mary Magdalene and drawing out certain things of showing everybody
Speaker 1: their own sin when he was talking about you cast
Speaker 1: the first stone. As far as the blind, do know
Speaker 1: that straight spit. I've never heard anything about dirt he
Speaker 1: spit in his eyes. Yeah, and then he touched it
Speaker 1: with his hands.
Speaker 3: No, you're the first person I've ever met really remember. Yes, Oh,
Speaker 3: everybody else in the world except you remember Jesus spitting
Speaker 3: in the dirt.
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe maybe I am the outlier on this one, brother,
Speaker 1: because I really did remember just straight spit to the eyeball.
Speaker 3: So so what we see now disrespectful.
Speaker 1: That's why it jarred me. That's why it remember. I
Speaker 1: remember this when I first I was like in middle
Speaker 1: school when I first read that, and I was like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, Jesus sure spat in the dude's face,
Speaker 1: because I remember that so knee jerky, because my dad
Speaker 1: gave me permission to absolutely stomp a kid's head in
Speaker 1: if they ever spat in my face. That was like
Speaker 1: the one time my dad was like, nah, just get
Speaker 1: after it. I'll handle the legal ramification. So I was like,
Speaker 1: that's a whole insult to never be done. So when
Speaker 1: I read that in the Bible, I was like, wait
Speaker 1: what But yeah, so I do remember this one in particular.
Speaker 1: But again, maybe that's just because I'm an outlier that
Speaker 1: had like a core memory for that.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: So why is it seen nowadays?
Speaker 2: As you know, spinning in somebody's face is like the
Speaker 2: most disrespectful thing you could possibly do.
Speaker 1: But Jesus fucking healed somebody with that. Well, there's reasons
Speaker 1: for that. There's germs that happened because of this. Jesus was,
Speaker 1: you know, the son of God. There's a reason. But
Speaker 1: my point is to his point, if all these pastors
Speaker 1: remember Jesus spitting in the dirt and making mud and
Speaker 1: putting mud in the dude's eyes, yeah, that's a different story. However,
Speaker 1: does it detract from the fact that Jesus healed a
Speaker 1: blind man?
Speaker 3: Yes, it detracts because what's happening is the Bible is changing.
Speaker 1: Jesus healed the blind that's the moral of that. He
Speaker 1: performed a miracle.
Speaker 3: But it's like there's a home invasion. This is what
Speaker 3: it's like. It's like you're watching a movie with your family. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then two guys kick in the door to the
Speaker 3: sun room where you are, and you look back and
Speaker 3: you go, oh wow, and then you just turn around
Speaker 3: and keep watching your movie. So pastors will tell me why,
Speaker 3: I just want to focus on winning souls. I'm like,
Speaker 3: your house is on fire. You can't just ignore the
Speaker 3: fact that there's passages in your Bible, like twenty of them.
Speaker 3: I can pull up, you know, and stump you twenty
Speaker 3: times in a row and you've never seen him before.
Speaker 3: That's to stop the press is the moment? Okay, that
Speaker 3: is an earth shattering five alarm, knock you off your
Speaker 3: chair event agreed that you that you cannot brush under
Speaker 3: the rug somehow no, which you don't want it to
Speaker 3: be true, right, So you know what we what we
Speaker 3: are saying is that it's not good news. It's the
Speaker 3: most disruptive thing to happen to the church, like in
Speaker 3: the entire church age next to Jesus coming, and the
Speaker 3: majority of church is ignoring it. For most people don't
Speaker 3: know what's happening, which is staggering. And then the ones
Speaker 3: that do you know, blow us off like we're heretics.
Speaker 2: It's a weird thing to to know that, like Jesus
Speaker 2: spit in somebody's eyes to heal them of blindness, Like
Speaker 2: that's that that is kind of a staggering thing. That's like, Jacob, imagine,
Speaker 2: imagine Jesus comes to you and like, let's say your
Speaker 2: wife has like aids, God forbid, right, and he's he's like,
Speaker 2: he's like yo, Jacob, like, uh, you know, I see
Speaker 2: your wife got aids.
Speaker 1: You want to get rid of that? And you're all please, please, right,
Speaker 1: and he's.
Speaker 2: All all right, you gotta fuck you gotta let me
Speaker 2: lay one honor first. And you'd be like, what are
Speaker 2: you talking about, dude, Like you're not gonna heal my
Speaker 2: wife by laying one honor.
Speaker 1: Once again, we are going supertty, duper contrived. I don't
Speaker 1: believe Jesus putting mud versus spitting in his face are
Speaker 1: is the same equivalent to gentlemen kicking in your front
Speaker 1: doors you're chilling, and or Jesus trying to hook up
Speaker 1: with your wife. I don't believe that these are one
Speaker 1: to one compared.
Speaker 2: But it's that much of a it's that much of
Speaker 2: a shock and off factor, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: No, No, I hear it, and I absolutely with him that, like,
Speaker 1: there are certain things that these people should be able
Speaker 1: to recite off very clearly, and if they don't know it, agreed,
Speaker 1: we should be. We should be pumping the brakes here,
Speaker 1: and the people who are preaching these words should in
Speaker 1: fact be masters of these words. This is actually a
Speaker 1: portion of the reason why I shut down the Prophecy Playbook,
Speaker 1: Like I started that podcast up and then I shut
Speaker 1: it down almost immediately because I realized I am not
Speaker 1: qualified to speak on behalf of any biblical knowledge. And
Speaker 1: that's just a me thing. I'm not saying anybody is
Speaker 1: or is it. I'm not here to throw judgment at
Speaker 1: anybody except myself, all right, and I identified myself as
Speaker 1: not well versed enough to do it in that manner.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: So Jacob, you have somebody who is like who you
Speaker 2: look up to, right, that's like super super super well
Speaker 2: versed in this right in the Bible?
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you right?
Speaker 2: Fortunately know, right, is it possible that we'd be able
Speaker 2: to get one of your home boys or Homegirls on
Speaker 2: that's very very you know, understanding and has a solid
Speaker 2: memory about what's going on the Bible. Then we get
Speaker 2: John back on the show and let's really test this.
Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm just saying that would further prove the
Speaker 2: point that the Bible is definitely being messed with.
Speaker 1: It's possible that I could have a family member who
Speaker 1: is actually a pastor. I would have to see if he's.
Speaker 5: Down with it.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I would love this.
Speaker 3: I would love how fun it would be.
Speaker 1: Not for him, but he's also got a really good
Speaker 1: sense of humor. This is kind of like, what is
Speaker 1: this like?
Speaker 3: You know, It's like, you know, in the in the France,
Speaker 3: if I was at a very dignified party and some
Speaker 3: guy insulted my wife and I would like challenge him
Speaker 3: to a duel. You know, hell, you know. The the
Speaker 3: general response to this is indignation that we are attacking
Speaker 3: God and we're calling God a liar. But it's based
Speaker 3: on a false doctrine that the Bible can't change. So
Speaker 3: essentially you draw the conclusion, well, if if the scriptures
Speaker 3: are inspired, that means that they're sacrisanct, which doesn't mean
Speaker 3: that Okay, In other words, if it's God breathed wrote
Speaker 3: the Bible three men, then the devil doesn't have that
Speaker 3: much power to change them. But you don't know your Bible,
Speaker 3: because Revelation thirteen says that God gives the devil power
Speaker 3: and authority, that's permission and the power to wage war
Speaker 3: against the Saints and to prevail against them. Correct. And
Speaker 3: then Revelation twenty two says, seal not the words of
Speaker 3: the prophecy seal is a word that means a mark
Speaker 3: as to protect from Satan. Then the next thing it
Speaker 3: says is not so that means what that's saying is
Speaker 3: protect from Satan. Not the prophecies do not protect the
Speaker 3: Bible from Satan. So over in Daniel chapter twelve, seal
Speaker 3: up the words until the time of the end. That's
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four. Seal up the words is protect them
Speaker 3: until Revelation twenty two. Okay, don't protect them. It's right
Speaker 3: there Daniel seven twenty five. The devil will be able
Speaker 3: to change space, time, and the Bible because the word
Speaker 3: that is interpreted laws is also interpreted in the same
Speaker 3: original word in Ezra seven is translated the law of God.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this now is they're talking about translations.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. The word seal, the Hebrew
Speaker 1: word for seal. Can you say that verse again real quick,
Speaker 1: just to see what this sounds like. Use the word
Speaker 1: finish instead of seal. Finish the verse you just read
Speaker 1: with don't seal the prophecies?
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, it says seal, not so finish not the
Speaker 3: words of the prophecy.
Speaker 1: Interesting because that's another one sign sign on seal, finish, close, shut, obstruct,
Speaker 1: All these are other words for the Hebrew word for seal.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Huh damn, Now, finish it. I don't believe
Speaker 1: that that's a convert No, I don't believe that that's
Speaker 1: this because everything else talks about closing, obstructing, shutting. There
Speaker 1: is like a seven out of eight possibility that this
Speaker 1: means exactly seal, as in to shut it or to
Speaker 1: obstruct it, or to fit or close it, if you will.
Speaker 1: But also, that's interesting. I didn't know finish was another one.
Speaker 1: So John, I do have a question for you.
Speaker 2: Whenever you're talking about the devil here and a lot
Speaker 2: of people interpret this many different ways, but whenever you
Speaker 2: speak of Satan, the devil, the morning star, Lucifer. Are
Speaker 2: all of these the same entity, the same person in question?
Speaker 1: What do you what does that mean to you?
Speaker 3: Man? Does that dude ever have a lot of names?
Speaker 3: I mean he has gone under a thousand different names
Speaker 3: throughout history.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so same guy.
Speaker 3: Apparently, this this dude Lucifer, the Sun of the morning,
Speaker 3: Star of the Morning, I forget the anointed chair that
Speaker 3: covers That's what I wanted to call him. So that's
Speaker 3: what he's referred to. And the Bible describes him in
Speaker 3: Ezekiel that his body was made of instruments. He had
Speaker 3: vials and harps in his body. So apparently he was
Speaker 3: like the worship leader of the throne. And what happened was,
Speaker 3: he's up front. I've been up there, I've led worship
Speaker 3: for years, and all the people are like looking at me.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: He was the lead singer of Heaven Dog totally.
Speaker 3: And so you know what we assume is that he
Speaker 3: got looked in the mirror too much, because you got Isaiah,
Speaker 3: the five eyes, I will send to the hills of
Speaker 3: the north. I will be like the most tie. I
Speaker 3: will walk him on the stones of fire. He got
Speaker 3: lifted up in pride, and he was like God's not
Speaker 3: all that. I got some stuff going on. I'm gonna get,
Speaker 3: you know, I should get some worship. And I guess
Speaker 3: he convinced a third of the angels to follow him. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean he must be awesome.
Speaker 1: Man, he's just completely well the great deceiver. Whoo.
Speaker 3: But he's got some creds man. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Boys, when nobody knows the Bible better than Satan, I
Speaker 1: promise the reason why because he knows how the story ends.
Speaker 2: Brother, Well, the reason I bring that up, especially the
Speaker 2: morning star part, because even in the Bible it does
Speaker 2: Jesus is referenced as the morning Star.
Speaker 3: Also, I looked at that. I know what you mean.
Speaker 3: I can't remember now that star of the morning. I
Speaker 3: can't remember now, I know what you mean. There's a
Speaker 3: reference there to Satan and Jesus that are similar, but
Speaker 3: they're not the same, as I recall. I'd have to
Speaker 3: look it up.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Yeah, I just I was, you know,
Speaker 2: wanted to poke around your brain in there for a minute, because.
Speaker 3: I know there is a theory. Okay. In fact, Luciferianism
Speaker 3: costlates that the devil really is the good guy, and
Speaker 3: God the Father is the bad guy, and that ultimately
Speaker 3: Lucifer and Satan aren't going to prevail, so you could
Speaker 3: place your bets, But I'm going with the gods good one.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean certain people will also say that Old
Speaker 2: Testament God and New Testament God might be two separate
Speaker 2: entities just going off of their actions and their words
Speaker 2: and everything. Because you look at Old Testament God, do
Speaker 2: was a bit of a dick, and then you look
Speaker 2: at New Testament God, he's like, you know, he's more Jesus.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying that that's really a challenging
Speaker 3: thing to unpack because you know, it's hard to figure
Speaker 3: out why God made the switch room, Like, Okay, he
Speaker 3: shifting gears on us, what's up with that?
Speaker 1: Well, Jesus isn't God. He even said that, like, I
Speaker 1: don't know the day in time the world will in
Speaker 1: only God does. He was very clear, I am the Son,
Speaker 1: He is the Father. I'm not a difference here.
Speaker 2: No, But whatever Jesus is talking to God in the
Speaker 2: New Testament, it's nothing like the God of the Old Testament.
Speaker 1: It's the point that I'm making.
Speaker 3: No, there's definitely a big difference. There's a whole shift
Speaker 3: over ceremonial laws out the window. And this was my
Speaker 3: journey for like two years. I was really a struggling
Speaker 3: with the whole Hell thing because I studied Hell. And
Speaker 3: when I was in New York for six months, all
Speaker 3: I did was study Hell. What does the Bible really teach?
Speaker 3: I went through all the passages. I've read every book
Speaker 3: I could. I read Jonathan Edwards's complete works, two four
Speaker 3: inch volumes, all this doctrine on health. And basically, what
Speaker 3: I can tell you with total certainty is that the
Speaker 3: Bible teaches that men impenitent, men will go to a
Speaker 3: place where they're literally burning in fire forever, which is
Speaker 3: so catastrophically bad. I think it was Spurgeon said, if
Speaker 3: a man properly understood the doctrine of Hell, he'd go insane.
Speaker 3: It's so bad. I'm like, God, can't you just put
Speaker 3: him in a room somewhere If they reject you whatever,
Speaker 3: you gotta put them in fire. Okay. So for two
Speaker 3: years I was sort of at a crisis of my faith.
Speaker 3: So I'm praying, how could you do that?
Speaker 1: I mean, just wait, wait, wait, he didn't do it.
Speaker 1: They did it. He granted Hell. People say that, but
Speaker 1: that's not really created Hell.
Speaker 3: True, if I create Hell or the devil on his angels,
Speaker 3: I created it, and then I create Man, Adam, and Eve.
Speaker 3: So in other words, God knows everything, right. Yeah, well
Speaker 3: that means what he knew when he created them that
Speaker 3: they would fall in sin and then billions of people
Speaker 3: would end up in Hell. I did it.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, He gave humans free will because he doesn't want
Speaker 1: subservient slaves who are gonna worship him. He wants us
Speaker 1: to choose to worship him.
Speaker 3: Kay.
Speaker 1: He gave Adam and free will, he wanted them to choose.
Speaker 3: To my kids, if my kids are walking really close
Speaker 3: to a cliff, I'm gonna preemptively go over and say, hey, kids,
Speaker 3: get away from the cliff. So, in a way, I
Speaker 3: was holding God in derision, okay, And I was basically
Speaker 3: saying I don't like the way you run your universe.
Speaker 3: I think it's reckless, and I think it's unfair. If
Speaker 3: you steal a Snickers bar, you shouldn't go to jail
Speaker 3: for a hundred years. Right. So the crime of Hell
Speaker 3: didn't to me fit the crime that people like nice
Speaker 3: people that live down the street, but they'd ignore God.
Speaker 3: They're going to Hell. Yep. Okay. So two years I
Speaker 3: prayed one prayer, how could you send people to Hell? Okay?
Speaker 3: So this was my answer after I'm not exaggerating. For
Speaker 3: two years, It's basically all I prayed. So I go
Speaker 3: out to the field behind my house every morning six am.
Speaker 3: And there was cobwebs. So I'd always get a stick
Speaker 3: and push the stick in front of me when i'd
Speaker 3: walk down the wagon trail, and then i'd throw it
Speaker 3: at this one place and when I turned the corner
Speaker 3: because there were no more cobwebs. And I remember one
Speaker 3: day I walked by and there was a pile of
Speaker 3: sticks like three feet high. Yeah. So I used to
Speaker 3: pray every day, right, So I go out there and
Speaker 3: one day I'm walking down and the Holy Spirit comes
Speaker 3: on me like a bucket of warm honey Cooboriam hits
Speaker 3: me and I'm like whoa, And I knew it was God.
Speaker 3: And all of a sudden I heard God say, do
Speaker 3: you have any other questions? Before you'd be ready to follow.
Speaker 1: Me saying what though about Hell?
Speaker 3: As soon as he said that, out of the depths
Speaker 3: of my soul came to these words, I'm free. I
Speaker 3: didn't say it, just it was God answering my question. Okay,
Speaker 3: because when God speaks to me, which is not all
Speaker 3: the time, but when he does speak, he can say
Speaker 3: one or two words or a little sentence and it'll
Speaker 3: mean a whole paragraph. So this is basically what God
Speaker 3: was telling me by asking me the question, do you
Speaker 3: have any other questions before you're ready to follow me?
Speaker 3: It's a question that says this. If I was able
Speaker 3: to answer your question, which I basically can't, what would
Speaker 3: stop you from then holding back your allegiance by having
Speaker 3: another question, and another one and another one.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, sir, hold on, I have to respectfully disagree.
Speaker 1: God can't nothing, God can do everything. Is it possible
Speaker 1: that he was telling you you are a human, you
Speaker 1: cannot understand the comple flexities of how existence works, and
Speaker 1: you cannot understand the actual reason for a hell? Do
Speaker 1: you have any other questions before you're ready to follow me?
Speaker 1: We understand the reason for heaven? Why not Hell?
Speaker 2: We can we can fathom that. Our little brands can
Speaker 2: fathom that, but we can't fathom hell. Really, hold on,
Speaker 2: you're a little brain.
Speaker 1: Can fathom your little braink and fathom why God would
Speaker 1: want to hang out with all of us. He created this.
Speaker 1: You think we are that interesting to him? Your brain
Speaker 1: can fathom that? That is insane, right, because this is
Speaker 1: what he was telling me.
Speaker 3: If let's say you're an you have an ant, okay,
Speaker 3: and the ant can live for one hundred centuries somehow, Okay,
Speaker 3: even if you had one hundred centuries, you couldn't explain
Speaker 3: how an eternal combustion engine works because the ant doesn't
Speaker 3: have the capacity, yes, to comprehend. That's what you're saying, right,
Speaker 3: absolutely so. And that's the message I got. And so
Speaker 3: what I did in that moment is I surrendered my
Speaker 3: need to have all my questions answered before I'll give
Speaker 3: him my allegiance.
Speaker 1: And I did.
Speaker 3: And all I can tell you is here's the upshot
Speaker 3: of the whole thing. If you've got questions about God,
Speaker 3: like the Old Testament New Testament thing, That's what got
Speaker 3: me on this. What I learned was the answer to
Speaker 3: your question is there is no answer. Okay, Okay. The
Speaker 3: offer is take it or leave it. I like it.
Speaker 3: Jesus came and said, I will give you everything. I'll
Speaker 3: give you the access to the Father. I'll give you
Speaker 3: the mansion. I'll give you I'll write your name in
Speaker 3: the Lambs Book of Life, and when you draw your
Speaker 3: last breath, you will go to an eternal bliss. But
Speaker 3: you have to give me the driver, the steering wheel
Speaker 3: of your car. A self directed life is not what
Speaker 3: God is looking for. And that means because Christ is
Speaker 3: not a hormoner and a thief and a liar. He's
Speaker 3: a holy savior. He comes free and gives you the
Speaker 3: free salvation. But he has he can't deny himself. He's
Speaker 3: not wait, he's white, he's clean, he's holy. And and
Speaker 3: so what happens is you're so grateful for having him
Speaker 3: lift to burn a sin. You're like, just just name
Speaker 3: your coughs. I'll do whatever you want. So that's a
Speaker 3: love motive. Yes, so we're not.
Speaker 1: You don't serve God out of fear. You serve God
Speaker 1: out of love and out of gratefulness for the fact
Speaker 1: that we are living in the Age of Grace, for
Speaker 1: the fact that we literally are one prayer away from
Speaker 1: eternal salvation, the fact that that is a real thing.
Speaker 1: We don't have to sacrifice lamps, we don't have to
Speaker 1: you know, give up our first born child. None of this.
Speaker 1: All we have to do is literally with our mouths
Speaker 1: and with our hearts, pray a prayer the fact. Yes, absolutely, bro.
Speaker 2: I mean call me a blasphemer, but that goes against
Speaker 2: literally everything that this show stands for. And because are
Speaker 2: we not in the business of truth seeking?
Speaker 1: This is what I personally do.
Speaker 3: I don't get it.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean by you know, remember we saw us
Speaker 1: out of touring episode like this is a real dude,
Speaker 1: he really walk the earth. That's like all verified and shit,
Speaker 1: I'm sure how is the show?
Speaker 3: How are you a blasphemer if you have a show
Speaker 3: based on what we just talked about. I don't get
Speaker 3: the correlation.
Speaker 2: So my favorite podcast has been for a very long time.
Speaker 2: It's Crow Triple seven. He has a famous saying says
Speaker 2: belief is the enemy of knowing.
Speaker 1: Okay, I disagree.
Speaker 2: I'm somebody that I can't just accept the fact that
Speaker 2: there is no way of knowing, like by by by
Speaker 2: admitting that you'll never know, and that there's no way
Speaker 2: you're ever gonna know. Why research anything? Why just why
Speaker 2: even do it?
Speaker 3: Well, okay, I can answer that because God can be known,
Speaker 3: but he can't be understood, So you can know God.
Speaker 3: But he said the heavens as high as the heavens
Speaker 3: are above the sea, so are my ways above your waist.
Speaker 3: So part of this relationship is that men need to
Speaker 3: worship something greater than themselves because men are infinitely arrogant
Speaker 3: and prideful. And but when you surrender that to this
Speaker 3: God and you acknowledge him and who he is, an uncreated,
Speaker 3: eternal being with all power, all knowledge, completely other than you,
Speaker 3: there is a comfort that comes into your soul because
Speaker 3: you're kind of a fish out of water.
Speaker 1: You sacrifice your ego to you because you realize you're
Speaker 1: a human and your ego is attached to this flesh suit.
Speaker 1: You can't get rid of that, so you in fact
Speaker 1: hand it over because you understand that it's beyond you.
Speaker 2: So it's essentially it's essentially the equivalence of being a
Speaker 2: little kid and your you know, your parents are trying
Speaker 2: to teach you something, not why, but just it's you
Speaker 2: do it this way. They don't teach you why you
Speaker 2: do it this way. It's just that you do it
Speaker 2: this way. No, And as a little kid, I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but me personally, I always
Speaker 2: question like everybody's motives, including my parents.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't question my parents' motives. Honestly, then again,
Speaker 1: my parents didn't give me many reasons to question their motives.
Speaker 1: My parents, you know, did did a pretty damn good
Speaker 1: job as far as what they could.
Speaker 3: All right, Well that's a I think I think I
Speaker 3: can help you understand, all right. So in James it says,
Speaker 3: if does any man lack of wisdom, let him ask
Speaker 3: of God, who gives freely and abate. It's not so,
Speaker 3: it's not across the board. You're kept in the dark.
Speaker 3: It was just uncertain things like this doctrine of eternal damnation.
Speaker 3: It's a pretty airy thing man. And and God was like, look,
Speaker 3: you're you know, I like your I like your your
Speaker 3: want your desire to know, you know, understand how the
Speaker 3: things work. But at a certain point, by design, you're
Speaker 3: not going to get it all figured out, because God
Speaker 3: has created it such a way that the intellectual man
Speaker 3: cannot scale the wall to heaven. Right. In one Corinthians,
Speaker 3: it says, it says, uh, didn't you notice that there's
Speaker 3: not many great, not many noble Imi. God uses the
Speaker 3: foolish things to confound the wise. The preaching of the
Speaker 3: cross is foolishness to them. Their perish So you, Jesus said,
Speaker 3: you have to come as a little child. So all that, well,
Speaker 3: I believe what I can see. Bless God. You know
Speaker 3: I can send this table, but there you can't prove
Speaker 3: there's the God. Okay, bye, let me hold the door
Speaker 3: for you. Okay. I had the burden of sin on me,
Speaker 3: and I said to this little prayer, and boom. The
Speaker 3: next day, I had the best sleep of my night
Speaker 3: ever in my life. And I wake up and Jesus
Speaker 3: is all around me, and I got the joy of
Speaker 3: the Lord and I got peace for once in my life.
Speaker 3: Go go figure it out. Go it's like in the ord,
Speaker 3: cloud or whatever. I'm going to follow this personal God.
Speaker 1: Basically. Look, life, human life is complicated enough to try
Speaker 1: to figure it out. Let's be honest. Just us existing
Speaker 1: right here is complicated enough, with enough intricate levels in
Speaker 1: our day to day we really do not have the
Speaker 1: capability to understand what is going on in the thirteenth
Speaker 1: dimension of God's creation. Let's be just very straight up.
Speaker 2: About My point is is that you know you went
Speaker 2: through your time of questioning God absolutely and how you
Speaker 2: cemented your beliefs was by finding physical proof. Yeah, that
Speaker 2: of which you I mean by the Bible says that
Speaker 2: you don't even need that.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I already knew it to be true, but yeah,
Speaker 1: that confirmed.
Speaker 2: It, but it confirmed it right, So that's essentially what
Speaker 2: I'm trying to do. But it's not right in the
Speaker 2: eyes of God. No, you're we present to a physical
Speaker 2: proof you reject it. There's a difference.
Speaker 3: No, I totally know what you're saying, Joonathan, because what
Speaker 3: it says is that it's the glory of God to
Speaker 3: conceal the matter and it's the glory of kings to
Speaker 3: seek it out. So for different reasons. The way God
Speaker 3: has set it up is, you know, he speaks in
Speaker 3: powables and you get impressions, you get dreams. Nothing's like
Speaker 3: flapay into sloppy I'm really pragmatic, Like, just tell me
Speaker 3: what I'm supposed to do. No, it doesn't work that way.
Speaker 3: You gotta pray and then you get an impression over here,
Speaker 3: and then somebody has a word that confirms the impression,
Speaker 3: and then it's like this piecemeal you know, kind of
Speaker 3: a thing where you are dependent on him because Man
Speaker 3: is extremely proud and we need to be humbled, which
Speaker 3: is why prayer. You know, prayer humbles us.
Speaker 1: Dude, did you hear Cat van Dee just talk about this?
Speaker 1: As she went, Cat von Dee, you know this is
Speaker 1: I never heard him? No, okay. Catvonde is a very
Speaker 1: famous tattoo artist who is also a very famous Satanist.
Speaker 1: For a while, she delved into some witchcraft in black magic.
Speaker 1: She's very open about this these days because she has
Speaker 1: found Jesus and she's turned her life around, and she
Speaker 1: is like a hardcore Bible thumper these days. I just
Speaker 1: watched the interview with her and she was talking about
Speaker 1: how the people that perform in the dark arts and
Speaker 1: all of that, they are looking to try to find
Speaker 1: ways to prove their magic. I found the Bible and
Speaker 1: I can prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt
Speaker 1: in my daily life, like I don't have to look
Speaker 1: for proof, It's provided. And she was not talking about
Speaker 1: the book. She was talking about the day to day
Speaker 1: activities that prove that God has got her back at
Speaker 1: this time, and it was it's really crazy to hear
Speaker 1: people who have swapped sides say like, no, no, it's
Speaker 1: not that it's like, oh, this Christian book is magic. No, No, No,
Speaker 1: this isn't magic, this is reality, and I actually found it.
Speaker 1: They're looking for ways to confirm their reality. I found
Speaker 1: all the confirmation of this actual reality we're living in
Speaker 1: right now. That's wild.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna check it out.
Speaker 1: Cat von d Vonde, Yeah she was. She's the reason
Speaker 1: why Jesse James and Sandra Bullet broke up allegedly and
Speaker 1: all all these things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, bro. Do you remember Jonathan in the
Speaker 3: in the Garden all the way back? There was the
Speaker 3: true trees in the in the Garden of Eden, and
Speaker 3: one of them was the tree of the knowledge of
Speaker 3: good and evil, and that's the one God said, don't
Speaker 3: eat it to that. So there's an innocence that we're
Speaker 3: supposed to live out of where we're trusting Him and
Speaker 3: and all of the Gnostics are trying to get their building,
Speaker 3: their tower of babble. They're trying to create a connection
Speaker 3: to becoming God themselves. That's what the the New Age
Speaker 3: movement is really teaching that you're God.
Speaker 1: I'm God, God is you know in all of us
Speaker 1: self worship, ego worship if you really want to get technical,
Speaker 1: which is in fact Satanic worship.
Speaker 3: And you're not wired to you're not wired that way.
Speaker 3: You're you're not wired to be the God there is already.
Speaker 3: It's his universe, and he created you, not the other
Speaker 3: way around. It is we. It is He that created
Speaker 3: us and not we ourselves. That's what the Bible says.
Speaker 3: So it's a it's a thing where you you have
Speaker 3: to be willing to take your place in the order
Speaker 3: of things. Okay, So the dirt clot serves the grass,
Speaker 3: the grass serves the brute best, the brute beast serves man, right,
Speaker 3: and who does man serve God? If you try to
Speaker 3: be God, you're going to be out of divine order
Speaker 3: and you won't be vibrating right at the right frequency.
Speaker 3: You're supposed to have a God.
Speaker 2: I mean, I believe that God is in all things though,
Speaker 2: and I mean it says that throughout the Bible that God.
Speaker 1: Is within all things. It's He's in the hearts of
Speaker 1: all men.
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, So to say that God is not a
Speaker 2: part of you, but also to say that that's new age,
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's correct.
Speaker 1: In the to quote the Bible, in the seventeenth chapter
Speaker 1: of Luke, it even says that the spirit of God
Speaker 1: lies within men. Not one man or a group of men,
Speaker 1: but in all men.
Speaker 3: I agree, right, But there's a very clear distinction where
Speaker 3: in the Bible. The way the Bible presents God is
Speaker 3: that he's separate from his creation. So he says, I
Speaker 3: am God, and apart from me there is no other.
Speaker 3: So yes, the Holy Spirit will in dwell the believer.
Speaker 3: So you'll have God's spirit in you, but it doesn't
Speaker 3: make you deity. Okay, is no? I agree you being
Speaker 3: deity and Deity dwelling in you and animating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I know what you're saying.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that I am God in the flesh,
Speaker 2: but I'm you know, my opinion is is that God
Speaker 2: dwells within everybody and so therefore dwells within me. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that I am a God. I'm saying that
Speaker 2: I have God in me. That's my opinion.
Speaker 1: Now, I can't speak on behalf of all new agers.
Speaker 2: I agree one hundred percent with what you just said, right,
Speaker 2: I mean that's how I look at it, And honestly,
Speaker 2: like you know, within a lot of magic books and everything,
Speaker 2: I've read a few of them so far, and that's
Speaker 2: exactly how they how they portray a lot of their magic.
Speaker 1: I see the new age, and it's not necessarily new.
Speaker 3: Agent.
Speaker 1: The difference is between a believer in a higher power
Speaker 1: and a Christian is the fact that we believe that
Speaker 1: not only does God reside within us, but we also
Speaker 1: believe that Jesus was his son and that we follow
Speaker 1: his example and accept his sacrifice for what we got
Speaker 1: going on in our human life.
Speaker 3: That's okay, I mean, Jesus said it. No man comes
Speaker 3: to the except for me. So a lot of people
Speaker 3: talk about God, God, God, but they don't really know Jesus.
Speaker 3: And Jesus said, you know, I'm the door. You don't
Speaker 3: get to God. If you try to get up some
Speaker 3: other way, you're a thief and a liar. So there's
Speaker 3: no getting to God except to Jesus because he's the
Speaker 3: one that paid the price. God sent Jesus God, you know.
Speaker 2: And I know that I'm gonna turn a lot of
Speaker 2: heads with this one, but this is just my personal belief.
Speaker 3: It comes.
Speaker 1: I mean, they re clutch my pearls, don't.
Speaker 3: My will will believes.
Speaker 2: My will will believes is that Jesus is the representation
Speaker 2: of the higher Self. And I don't believe that you
Speaker 2: can speak to God or get to God except through
Speaker 2: the highest version of yourself.
Speaker 1: But Jesus was a physical dude that walked the earth.
Speaker 2: Turn I know, but I'm what I'm saying is that
Speaker 2: I believe that he was the physical representation of the
Speaker 2: higher Self.
Speaker 1: So enough people across the world thought enough and manifested
Speaker 1: him into existence.
Speaker 2: I mean, prophetizing and manifesting is I mean, what's the difference.
Speaker 1: So you are saying, I'm making sure, I'm with you,
Speaker 1: the virgin birth story with Mary and all that. You're
Speaker 1: saying that that is plausible because of enough people across
Speaker 1: this many centuries, across this many millennia, believed and prophesied
Speaker 1: that their Savior was coming that bump bump, bah bah.
Speaker 1: They literally manifested him into existence, into the Virgin Mary's womb.
Speaker 1: I believe that literally, this is this. That's how interesting takes, sir,
Speaker 1: check it out this way though.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's such things as Edgar Gores. We've talked
Speaker 2: about that before. But essentially, I do believe that if
Speaker 2: enough people believe in something hard enough that it turns
Speaker 2: into something that is physically corporeal, corporeally real. I mean,
Speaker 2: think about it in this sense. Think about the black
Speaker 2: magic that the mainstream media uses. That what they do
Speaker 2: is they'll they'll forecast something, you know there there might
Speaker 2: be an alien starship ahead of us.
Speaker 1: It gets it into the public opinion.
Speaker 2: Now a lot of people are looking up, yo, alien
Speaker 2: starships up there, and then I don't know, maybe it is,
Speaker 2: maybe it isn't, But somehow, one day I guarantee we
Speaker 2: see that fucking thing.
Speaker 1: And then right behind that, the Netflix movie Don't Look.
Speaker 2: Up came out just saying there's there's weird things that
Speaker 2: are manifested just because enough people believe in it. Okay,
Speaker 2: that's where I come from. But anyway, look, we can
Speaker 2: talk about your things. We can talk about this literally
Speaker 2: to the absolute bone. We've gone a long time in
Speaker 2: this episode. Yeah, we are hustling and killing it.
Speaker 3: John Marathon in the beginning, Well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely did John. John.
Speaker 2: We absolutely love you, bro, I mean, you are great
Speaker 2: and we can't wait to get you back on again.
Speaker 2: This This talk was definitely thought provoking. It was definitely
Speaker 2: something to spin the gears within the minds of all
Speaker 2: of the cult members.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, and there's so many things I have
Speaker 1: to start researching into now.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, let me mention on my website it's Wakeupfels
Speaker 3: dot com. And then you go to the resources tap okay,
Speaker 3: and there's Bible quizzes in there, there's powerpoints, there's all
Speaker 3: kinds of stuff in the resources tap researching this, and
Speaker 3: then of course there's one hundred videos on my YouTube
Speaker 3: channel wake up for us.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, I will have the links to both
Speaker 2: your website and your YouTube channel down in the show
Speaker 2: notes for anybody who wants to.
Speaker 1: Go take those quiz. Don't forget the book and the
Speaker 1: book of course, please buy my man's book. Yeah, all
Speaker 1: the things.
Speaker 2: We will put down, all the links, because I mean,
Speaker 2: you are such an enigmatic soul.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how anybody.
Speaker 2: Couldn't couldn't get behind at least at least dabbling into
Speaker 2: what you're talking about Elliott's Killer.
Speaker 3: So, uh, no one's ever called me enigmatic before.
Speaker 1: You definitely are.
Speaker 3: I take that.
Speaker 1: Keep in mind that's a sign of praise coming on you.
Speaker 1: You stir the pot in so many ways and in
Speaker 1: so many directions. This wasn't at Christians, this wasn't at
Speaker 1: New Ages, wasn't at right. We went all over, We
Speaker 1: covered such a wide range. I mean, shit, yeah, this.
Speaker 3: Was That's definitely the longest one I've ever done. Plus
Speaker 3: it's it's a quarter to two where I am. Are
Speaker 3: you guys specific?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're essential. It's quarter to one Eares Central.
Speaker 3: Okay, guys, did you say you do three podcasts a week?
Speaker 1: Oh, we just cut down. We were doing five a week.
Speaker 1: We were doing Monday through Friday. We've been doing that
Speaker 1: for months.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we just cut it down to three a week,
Speaker 2: but three hour shows each time. That way, it allows
Speaker 2: us an allotment of time to go over every possible
Speaker 2: detail we possibly can, because we want to ring this
Speaker 2: sponge dry, dude, every single thing. And and you came,
Speaker 2: you coming on here to talk about the Mandela effect
Speaker 2: and the Bible. I think we hit on just about
Speaker 2: every cylinder that.
Speaker 3: Was killing you know. Of course, Jacob Man, he took
Speaker 3: the other side like twenty dudes, but we held our own.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, we tried, We tried.
Speaker 3: Station.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed the hell. He got stunned a few times.
Speaker 1: You got to give them the you gotta give them
Speaker 1: the right, dude. There was quite a few where you
Speaker 1: stumped me and I was like, I've never heard of
Speaker 1: this before and I'm like, look, maybe they misremembered, and
Speaker 1: it was like, no, that's not a misremember and that's
Speaker 1: I mean shit, something to it, dude.
Speaker 2: Anyway, cult members, definitely go check out all those links.
Speaker 2: Go give John some love on his website, on his YouTube.
Speaker 2: Definitely check out his book. There's a lot more in
Speaker 2: the book and on his website and on the YouTube
Speaker 2: channel than what he just simply you know, presented here today.
Speaker 2: So with that being said, thank you so much John
Speaker 2: for coming on. Definitely gonna have to do it again, brother,
Speaker 2: and uh yeah, dude. With that being said, this was
Speaker 2: another beautiful episode of the Cult of Conspiracy. And my
Speaker 2: name's Jonathan Drake, and there's one very important, extremely vital
Speaker 2: piece of information we needed to learn just as soon
Speaker 2: as humanly possible.
Speaker 1: Open up that third
Speaker 5: H