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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to camp. I am six forty the Bill

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<v Speaker 1>handles show on demand on the iHeartRadio Appy, I AM forty

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<v Speaker 1>Live Dreaming and HD everywhere on the iHeartRadio app. Good morning,

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<v Speaker 1>my friend, and welcome home. I am Dean Sharp the

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<v Speaker 1>House Whisper. I design custom homes. I build some custom

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<v Speaker 1>homes and for the weekends, I am your guide to

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<v Speaker 1>better understanding that place where you live today on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Very exciting. We do this every year. This week in

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<v Speaker 1>Las Vegas, Nevada, it was the International Builders Show, sponsored

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<v Speaker 1>by the National Association of home Builders. It is the

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<v Speaker 1>largest industry show for the construction and design industry on

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<v Speaker 1>the planet. Happens every year, and we're talking a huge,

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<v Speaker 1>huge show. This show has grown in proportions every single year.

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<v Speaker 1>This is particularly, I believe, the largest show, at least

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<v Speaker 1>in the last fifteen years. It is the world's premiere

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<v Speaker 1>building industry showcase. It fills the entire Las Vegas Convention Center,

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing, including all the new expansion wings. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean literally wall to wall in the convention center, over

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<v Speaker 1>a one million square feet of exhibit space, nearly two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand exhibitors and well well over one hundred thousand people

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<v Speaker 1>in attendance, most industry professionals, some homeowners of most industry professionals.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot to take in. And every year after

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<v Speaker 1>the show wraps up, I bring you the Best of

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<v Speaker 1>the International Builders Show all of the things that I

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<v Speaker 1>think will be of interest to you, at least to

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<v Speaker 1>the top things. And it's fun. It's fun to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about what's changing on the horizon in the building industry,

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<v Speaker 1>what new products or innovations are out there, give you

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<v Speaker 1>a sense of where things are going. And so that's

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<v Speaker 1>what we're doing. It's gonna take today and tomorrow's show,

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<v Speaker 1>both shows to get it all done. So today part

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<v Speaker 1>one of the Best of the International Builders Show for

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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five. And yes, I will not be using

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<v Speaker 1>the abbreviation for the show which they use, which is IBS,

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<v Speaker 1>which also stands for Irritable Bowel Syndrome. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>why they've labeled it that way. You could have come

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<v Speaker 1>up with a different one, but we're just gonna call

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<v Speaker 1>it the International Builder Show, Oh Builders. And of course

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<v Speaker 1>we'll be taking your calls today. The phone lines are

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<v Speaker 1>open right now. Producer Richie is standing by the number

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<v Speaker 1>to reach me eight three three two. Ask Dean eight

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<v Speaker 1>three three the numeral two. Ask Dean eight three three

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<v Speaker 1>two Ask Dean. It's just that simple. And of course,

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to your calls, anything you want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about regarding your home, anything at all. I'm talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the International Builders Show. You can call me about

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<v Speaker 1>anything that's got you scratching your head about your home,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's design, construction, architecture, DIY, whatever the case may be, inside, outside, landscape,

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<v Speaker 1>decre anything. Give me a call. We'll put our heads together,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll figure it out. I help you. Let me introduce

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<v Speaker 1>our awesome team. Sam is on the board wrangling our

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<v Speaker 1>not so live studio audience. Good morning Sam, Good morning Dean.

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<v Speaker 1>How you doing today. I'm good, Bud, I'm good. You

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<v Speaker 1>just found him very chipper. I got good energy going today.

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<v Speaker 1>I love doing this show man. Seriously, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if people understand being here is my sanity? All right?

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<v Speaker 1>Well there it is. There it is. We're keeping Sam sane.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you. Producer Richie, our awesome producer, not near

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<v Speaker 1>Mike because he's busy working the phones. He is here.

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<v Speaker 1>You will get to talk to Richie if you give

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<v Speaker 1>us a call. He'll tell everything you need to know

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<v Speaker 1>and pop you into the queue. Awesome as always. Eileen

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<v Speaker 1>Gonzalez at the news desk. Good morning, Eileen, Good morning, Dean.

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<v Speaker 1>How's it going good. We missed you last weekend? Oh

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<v Speaker 1>I missed you guys too, well did you? I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>miss week the weekend off well, I actually worked. I

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<v Speaker 1>switched shifts, I worked later. I was still here. Just

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<v Speaker 1>slept in a little which is nice. Well, that's nice.

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<v Speaker 1>That's always nice, all right, And sitting across the table

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<v Speaker 1>from me, somebody. I also missed a little bit last

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<v Speaker 1>weekend because we had a special guest in and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know where you were, just wandering around my better half,

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<v Speaker 1>my design partner, and her beagle, my best friend in

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<v Speaker 1>all the world. Tina is here. Welcome home. How you doing.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel good? Good? Well, good, yeah, I feel all rested.

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<v Speaker 1>Had good dreams last night, I did? You woke up

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<v Speaker 1>to tell me all about her dreams. I did have

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<v Speaker 1>very vivid dreams or vivid just living color dreams. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to dive into this. I want to get

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<v Speaker 1>phone lines are open, and you know Saturday mornings are

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<v Speaker 1>always a great time to call out here because on

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<v Speaker 1>the West Coast things are very sleepy still. But I

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<v Speaker 1>know you're up, and I'm glad that you're with me

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<v Speaker 1>because we're going to dive into the best of the

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<v Speaker 1>International Builder Show. The number to reach me for anything

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<v Speaker 1>else eight three three two, Ask Dean eight three three

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<v Speaker 1>the numeral two, Ask Dean KFI you can jarp the

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<v Speaker 1>outs with for whether home is a condo or a

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<v Speaker 1>cottage or a castle, doesn't matter. I'm here to help

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<v Speaker 1>you take it to the next level. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be going to the phones in just a bit. The

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<v Speaker 1>number to reach me eight three three two Ask Dean

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<v Speaker 1>eight three three the numeral two ask Dean. Producer Richie

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<v Speaker 1>to know. Popping into the queue, and then you and

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<v Speaker 1>I we can figure out what's going on with your place.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, it is time to dive into the best

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<v Speaker 1>of the International Builder's Show, which just wrapped up this

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<v Speaker 1>last week here in Las Vegas, Nevada. Very first thing,

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, I think, if I'm not mistaken, this actually

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<v Speaker 1>won Best in Show for the entire show is a

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<v Speaker 1>garage door and so this is of interest to some

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<v Speaker 1>of you. No doubt you may or may not know

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<v Speaker 1>this brand, Clo pey Clo pay Clope. Clope is a

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<v Speaker 1>leader for a long long time. They introduced at the

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<v Speaker 1>Builder Show this year the what they call the Vertu

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<v Speaker 1>Stack v er Ti Verti Stack garage door. And my

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<v Speaker 1>only explanation for it is, look, ma, no rails. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>imagine this. That's a sectional garage door. I believe right

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<v Speaker 1>now it's it's the model they were displaying is a

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<v Speaker 1>contemporary door. But I don't know why this wouldn't apply

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<v Speaker 1>to any sectional garage door. We'll have to check with

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<v Speaker 1>Club Pay on that. But we're looking at a contemporary

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<v Speaker 1>aluminum and glass door, very very cool looking garage door.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine the sections of your garage door and how your

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<v Speaker 1>garage door works. When it's time to open your garage door,

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<v Speaker 1>the opener starts pulling the entire door up and over

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<v Speaker 1>that curved railing system and then sets it along the

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<v Speaker 1>ceiling of your garage. And other words, there are rails

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<v Speaker 1>that run up and over your ceiling. And because the

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<v Speaker 1>garage door has to slide up onto the ceiling. Then

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<v Speaker 1>there are limited applytions for what you can do to

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<v Speaker 1>the ceiling. In other words, when the door is open,

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<v Speaker 1>it blocks lights that might be in the ceiling from

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<v Speaker 1>shining down on the floor. It also eliminates the ability

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<v Speaker 1>to have storage or anything else up there. Racking system.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to work all of that around the rails

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<v Speaker 1>well the verti stack door instead of remaining all intact

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<v Speaker 1>one big sliding door system. As the door is retracted,

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<v Speaker 1>every rail panel I mean every sectional panel I should say,

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<v Speaker 1>disengages and floats next to the next panel. What this

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<v Speaker 1>essentially means is that all of the sections of this

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<v Speaker 1>garage door collect in For lack of a better term,

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<v Speaker 1>this is my term, not there's a balance over the

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<v Speaker 1>garage door on the inside of the garage. Okay, if

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<v Speaker 1>that makes sense. Imagine like pulling up a blind in

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<v Speaker 1>your house, right, pulling up adjustable blinds and they all

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<v Speaker 1>pull up inside the balance. Well, that is essentially what

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<v Speaker 1>the verdistat garage door does. No rails, no door traveling

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<v Speaker 1>across the ceiling of the garage. It all ends up

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<v Speaker 1>in this cartridge valance above the garage door header mounted

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<v Speaker 1>to the front door wall of the garage, no rails,

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<v Speaker 1>no rails, that's from Clope. That is a major major

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<v Speaker 1>technology change. And yes, it won't be long before you

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<v Speaker 1>see all sorts of garage door company garage door manufacturers

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<v Speaker 1>producing their own version of this. I don't know this

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<v Speaker 1>particular one, the patent how long it'll last. But Clope

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<v Speaker 1>has got it, and they've got it now, and they've

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<v Speaker 1>figured it out. Very very reliable, very very secure, well tested,

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<v Speaker 1>well received in the industry. One best in Show at

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet National Builder Show for new product, the Clope

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<v Speaker 1>Vertie stack garage door. So just imagine that. Imagine if

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<v Speaker 1>you could open your sectional garage door and have no

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<v Speaker 1>garage door on the ceiling above you, giving the freedom

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<v Speaker 1>to do anything you want or need to do with

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<v Speaker 1>the ceiling of your garage, including tons of storage up there,

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<v Speaker 1>racking down below, covering the entire surface of the garage.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a game changer, is it not? Yes? It

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<v Speaker 1>is all right, I got more, We'll do it.

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<v Speaker 2>You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM

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<v Speaker 2>six forty, KFI AM.

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<v Speaker 1>Six forty live streaming and HD everywhere on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 1>Dean Sharp the House whisper with you this morning. It's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a lovely day here in southern California.

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<v Speaker 1>A little cloudy, maybe a little rain. Maybe spring is creeping.

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<v Speaker 1>Some might say it's already here. The birds in my

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<v Speaker 1>yard are already telling me. Hey, buddy, forget the calendar.

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<v Speaker 1>I will tell you when spring is here. It's when

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<v Speaker 1>we just emptied your bird feeder from seed, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the one we've been ignoring for a few months. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's true, Spring is here. The number to reach me,

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<v Speaker 1>By the way, we're going to be going to the

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<v Speaker 1>Dean eight three three the numeral two. Ask Dean eight

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<v Speaker 1>three three two. Ask Dean. Anything you want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about regarding your home. Talk to producer Richie. He'll tell

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<v Speaker 1>together and figure it out. Whatever it may be, construction, design, architecture, DIY,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it is. Just throw it at me. We'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty good at this stuff, to tell you. But

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<v Speaker 1>right now I want to continue with our taking a

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<v Speaker 1>podcast listener, this episode and the next the Best of

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<v Speaker 1>the next episode tomorrow's broadcast Part two. Okay, let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about Let's talk about something that actually has got me

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<v Speaker 1>pretty excited for kitchen design, and that is a major

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<v Speaker 1>appliance changed, Tina, you're gonna want to get in on

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<v Speaker 1>LG Solid Solid appliance manufacturer, one of the finest, I

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<v Speaker 1>would say in recent years, LG at the Builders Show

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<v Speaker 1>introduced their new thin door, thin door, counter depth full

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that we strive to do when we're

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<v Speaker 1>is this even a freestanding counter depth refrigerator. If you

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<v Speaker 1>are certain requirements for the cabinets coming up to them

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<v Speaker 1>because the hinges are standard hinges on these refrigerators, so

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<v Speaker 1>they need a little bit of space clearance around them,

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of frame clearance around them. And the

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<v Speaker 1>second thing is the doors themselves, even though they unit.

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<v Speaker 1>When we say counterdepth, we mean the refrigerator box right

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<v Speaker 1>up to the gasket that seals the front door. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>the box goes completely flush, but the door sticks out,

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<v Speaker 1>and most doors are on average about four inches thick. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a that's a nice little intrusion into the kitchen. Still, well,

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<v Speaker 1>guess what LG unveiled at the builders show the LG

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<v Speaker 1>thin door design for counterdepth refrigerators, a forty five percent

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<v Speaker 1>thinner door. The door on this fridge is two point

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<v Speaker 1>two inches thick overall. That is forty five percent thinner.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean two two that's not even two and a

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<v Speaker 1>much smaller space. So they've made this a fully insulated

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<v Speaker 1>door that's flat, not beveled or rounded, perfectly flat across,

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<v Speaker 1>just a little over two inches thick, and zero clearance hinges,

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<v Speaker 1>so that as the door opens, it also shifts in

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<v Speaker 1>the back of it shifts in, so it does not

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<v Speaker 1>in any way in true you can run cabinetry doors,

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<v Speaker 1>drawers or whatever panels right up next to this refrigerator

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<v Speaker 1>where the refrigerator hole is. That's gonna make a big

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<v Speaker 1>difference in it. I'm thinking, I mean, that's that's great.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, you know the reason I share these things

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<v Speaker 1>take a look at these things. These are industry leaders.

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<v Speaker 1>And the good news is not that, oh, well, great,

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<v Speaker 1>there's one out there that we can choose from. No, no, no.

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<v Speaker 1>The good news is whenever somebody breaks through this barrier

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<v Speaker 1>and does something like this, you can be guaranteed that

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of the industry will follow. Because this this

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<v Speaker 1>is meeting a need that has been on everybody's wish

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<v Speaker 1>list for a long long time. So LG has done it.

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<v Speaker 1>They've broken the sound barrier, as it were, on this issue.

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<v Speaker 1>They are producing a thin, flat refrigerator door for a

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<v Speaker 1>full size refrigerator that is counter depth, zero clearance hinges,

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<v Speaker 1>and as a result, kitchens are going to from here

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<v Speaker 1>on out, you'll see I guarantee you're going to see

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<v Speaker 1>GE come out with it soon. You'll see all the

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<v Speaker 1>major manufacturers following suit with their own version of a

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<v Speaker 1>thinner door. Because it's not like LG is holding on

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<v Speaker 1>to some secret magic. They've just cracked the coat. And

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<v Speaker 1>then everybody's gonna come. Everybody's gonna come because everybody wants

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<v Speaker 1>a free standing refrigerator that slides in and just looks

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<v Speaker 1>built in from the moment that you put it in

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<v Speaker 1>there without paying the you know roughly six to ten

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<v Speaker 1>tin refrigerator and all the issues that it has. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is impressive LG thin door, counter depth refrigerator with

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<v Speaker 1>zero clearance hinges. It's going to be a game changer

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<v Speaker 1>for the industry. So if you are thinking again about remodeling,

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<v Speaker 1>you're thinking about new appliances, you got to go over

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<v Speaker 1>and check it out. And am I saying wait until

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<v Speaker 1>everybody else comes out with you? No, the LG. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a beautiful machine. LG is solid, solid, solid solid appliance manufacturer,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the best out there right now. Also, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to tack this on because LG again an introduced something.

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<v Speaker 1>Now they've they've been toying with this and doing this

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<v Speaker 1>a lot, but they're they've made this clear and Tina,

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<v Speaker 1>this is relevant to you too. LG has officially now

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<v Speaker 1>introduced its new luxury brand. Okay, so you guys know this.

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<v Speaker 1>Like in the car industry, right, like every car manufacturer

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<v Speaker 1>are a lot of them have their luxury version, Like

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<v Speaker 1>Toyota has Lexus, right, they're made by Toyota Corporation. That

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<v Speaker 1>kind of thing. It's true in the appliance industry as

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<v Speaker 1>well quite often, like GE has Monogram. Monogram is a

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<v Speaker 1>different brand technically produced by General Electric and it's their

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<v Speaker 1>luxury version. Well, LG is now following suit. LG is

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<v Speaker 1>now introducing SKS, which is Signature Kitchen Suite. So you

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<v Speaker 1>see an SKS. It is a luxury appliance brand. It

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<v Speaker 1>is made by LG, but it's made for the luxury market.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the things that they were showing off the

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<v Speaker 1>show was their energy Star Flex induction cooktop. Okay, four inductors. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>four zones, but the two zones on each side are

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<v Speaker 1>completely flex as in they can be joined together at

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<v Speaker 1>whatever proportion is needed. So literally, if you need fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>inches by nine inches of burner induction hob, you can

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<v Speaker 1>have that, or you can have the whole depth, or

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<v Speaker 1>you can isolate it just down to one. It is flexible.

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<v Speaker 1>It reminds me of the ge monogram where it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>even have any markings on the surface. Just put a

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<v Speaker 1>pot down and it forms a ring around it and says, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's where it is. But this is a very it

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<v Speaker 1>is It's a thirty six inch sks thirty seven hundred

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<v Speaker 1>watts of power per a hub up to and that's

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<v Speaker 1>amazing power. It's got eleven inch dual center element that

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<v Speaker 1>throws out seven thousand watts of power in that center,

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<v Speaker 1>which is more powerful than most induction cooktops that I've seen, which,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, and most induction cooktops are more powerful

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<v Speaker 1>than your top of the line gas cook top. So

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<v Speaker 1>what am I saying? This is a crazy fast, crazy

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<v Speaker 1>powerful cook top that beats out gas cooktops in performance

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<v Speaker 1>on every level. And it's perfectly flat glass, no knobs,

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<v Speaker 1>all touchscreen on top. Pretty amazing anyway. That is this

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<v Speaker 1>year from LG SKS Luxury Signature Kitchen Suite Luxury brand,

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<v Speaker 1>introducing officially and in the LG line, the zero clearance,

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<v Speaker 1>hinged thin door, counter depth refrigerator. All right, I got more.

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<v Speaker 1>But guess what when we come back, we're gonna take

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of calls. How's that sound?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're home with Dean Sharp the house Whisper. Can't

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<v Speaker 1>by Dean the house Whisper. Welcome home. Thanks for joining

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<v Speaker 1>us on the program today. Hope you are enjoying your

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<v Speaker 1>Saturday morning wherever you are, whether it be West coast

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<v Speaker 1>and it's plenty early coming up on seven o'clock, or

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<v Speaker 1>further back east in our country where you are you've

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<v Speaker 1>already been up for a while and you're not up yet.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not up yet, it's almost nine o'clock. Get up,

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<v Speaker 1>or just stay there and enjoy the show. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>really care, honestly. Let's let's not pretend like I, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>have true outrage. I want you to enjoy your Saturday.

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<v Speaker 1>The number to reach me, by the way, eight three

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<v Speaker 1>three two ask Dean eight three three The numeral to

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<v Speaker 1>ask Dean about anything regarding your home today, and I

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned that because it's time to go to the phones,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk to Dave A. Dave, welcome home.

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<v Speaker 4>Wedning, Thanks for taking my car, love you, love your show.

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<v Speaker 4>We've got a fifty year old flat riff one car

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<v Speaker 4>garage with rolled riffing on it and it has a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of suddling in the rain. We have to sweep

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<v Speaker 4>it up.

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<v Speaker 3>What if anything should we do when installing the new

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<v Speaker 3>roofing to eliminate to flatten it out is I've heard

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<v Speaker 3>there's a foam you can put on the plywood that

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<v Speaker 3>will either I think it creates a dome or it

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<v Speaker 3>makes it levels it out so.

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<v Speaker 4>That you don't have the PEDALNK.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there are some foam products that will do that

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<v Speaker 1>that will create a slight kind of you know, for

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<v Speaker 1>lack of a better term, on a flat roof, a

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<v Speaker 1>hump which will basically give a little bit of pitch

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<v Speaker 1>to a flat roof scenario. I would, honestly though, unless

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<v Speaker 1>you're looking for extra insulated value or anything like that,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I would. I would. I would defer to

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<v Speaker 1>my roofer and only talk to a roofer who is

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<v Speaker 1>a specialist in flat roofs. In this case, I think

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<v Speaker 1>a layered PVC productor out PVC product. And then the

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<v Speaker 1>thing that that that I like about a pour out

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<v Speaker 1>PVC coating is that it will self level UH. In

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<v Speaker 1>other words, you know wherever the the dips are and

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<v Speaker 1>UH and the you know the that have been causing

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<v Speaker 1>the puddling. The first couple of layers of the PVC

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<v Speaker 1>poor will fill those in and UH and self level

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<v Speaker 1>and then as you apply the the final layers, you're

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<v Speaker 1>And so it's a what you're gonna do is you

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk to your roof for specifically about self

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<v Speaker 1>leveling compounds for that roof before you apply the final coatings.

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<v Speaker 1>And there are so many different ways to do flat roofs.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I'm not specking one over the other because

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't want to presume what the best

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<v Speaker 1>roof scenario is for you versus the best self leveling.

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<v Speaker 1>But I would say my first guest stab in the

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<v Speaker 1>dark would be that you use a pour out self

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<v Speaker 1>leveling material that then will bond to the other roofing

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<v Speaker 1>layers as you go as opposed to let's say, just

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<v Speaker 1>rolling out rolls of self ceiling bittermous membrane or self

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<v Speaker 1>ceiling kind of you know, edge stretchable edge material that

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<v Speaker 1>will all self seal and make a beautiful flat roof,

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<v Speaker 1>but it won't necessarily take care of the dips that

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<v Speaker 1>are causing puddling. So a pour out self leveling system, Dave,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the first thing. And you talk to a roofer

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<v Speaker 1>who specialized in flat roofs, and they're going to know

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what to do with it.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, you're great.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, buddy, thanks for your question, but appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Should we join, you know, we'll start, we'll at least

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<v Speaker 1>start Joan, Welcome home, Aladine.

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<v Speaker 5>I have a leak in the mainline of the house,

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<v Speaker 5>somewhere between the meter and the house, and I had

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<v Speaker 5>all them there was a lot of moisture in and

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<v Speaker 5>around the meter itself, and they suspected a pinhole leak

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<v Speaker 5>just based on the fact that all that water was

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<v Speaker 5>around the meter. So I called the plumber out to

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<v Speaker 5>of the meter and they could not easily find anything.

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<v Speaker 5>So my question is, well they, by the way, they

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<v Speaker 5>had suggested as a result that I get sonar, get

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<v Speaker 5>somebody that could do a sonar evaluation to identify where

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<v Speaker 5>the leak is, and that they would follow behind and

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<v Speaker 5>do a repair. But I wanted to get your thoughts

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<v Speaker 5>about the whole situation.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so these are tricky things. We were just dealing

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<v Speaker 1>out a locating service, a sona or locating service, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, assess the leak into the proper wall. But

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<v Speaker 1>because of cabinets and other things like that, we didn't

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<v Speaker 1>actually get it really directly pinpointed, and then he and

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<v Speaker 1>I as we were digging through, we ended up finding

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<v Speaker 1>it ourselves. The tricky thing, Joan, about your situation is

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<v Speaker 1>that water that is leaking in a let's say a pinhole,

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<v Speaker 1>leak through a pipe, I mean out of a pipe.

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<v Speaker 1>It has a tendency because the pipe is creating a

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<v Speaker 1>channel in the yard that it runs through. The water

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<v Speaker 1>has a tendency to run along the length of the pipe,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it can move quite a distance. Not fifty

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<v Speaker 1>feet or so, I'm not talking about that, but it

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<v Speaker 1>can move a good distance before it actually shows up

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<v Speaker 1>where it is that we can actually see it. So

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<v Speaker 1>you've got the meter, your water meter, which is down

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<v Speaker 1>at the lowest point right the y.

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<v Speaker 5>It's in the apron of the driveway exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's down there, and so water is naturally kind

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<v Speaker 1>of running downhill toward it. So the pinhole leak, and

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<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't be surprised if there is one, But the

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<v Speaker 1>pinhole leak could be you know, it could be twelve

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<v Speaker 1>inches away from the meter, it could be three or

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<v Speaker 1>four feet. I doubt that it's ten feet away from

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<v Speaker 1>the meter, okay, because soil would absorb that water and

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<v Speaker 1>keep it from moving that, you know, if it's a

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<v Speaker 1>small leak, so it is nearby the meter, if you've

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<v Speaker 1>got exceptional moisture there, And here's the cool thing without

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<v Speaker 1>any other encumbrances around. The reason I mentioned, my friend

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<v Speaker 1>is that we had all these cabinets and things in

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<v Speaker 1>the way out in the yard, even where the driveway is,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a pretty clear place to get a good reading

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<v Speaker 1>on it. And so yeah, I think that was solid advice.

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<v Speaker 1>I think what you want to do is do your best.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a guarantee, not a guarantee, but you call

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<v Speaker 1>a leak detection service and have them come out and

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<v Speaker 1>scan the main line and narrow it into at least

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<v Speaker 1>a foot or two from you know of where this

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<v Speaker 1>leak is, and that's when you'll know essentially what the

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<v Speaker 1>scope of the plumbing repair is going to have to be.

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<v Speaker 5>What is your thought of going that approach? Sonars you

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<v Speaker 5>know well over one thousand dollars, and that's just too

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<v Speaker 5>identify where the leak is. What is your thought about

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<v Speaker 5>going that approach trying to identify a specific leak somewhere

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<v Speaker 5>in the line. By the way, everything is cement. This

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<v Speaker 5>is all cement. So oh yeah, and then versus just

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<v Speaker 5>repiping from the meter to the house. Okay, property is

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<v Speaker 5>about thirty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Years old, gotcha? Okay, all right. So here's the situation, Joan.

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<v Speaker 1>We're up against a break. I want you to hold

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to answer that question. We'll do it on

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<v Speaker 1>the other side of the break. If you can hold

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<v Speaker 1>with me. Is that okay?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes? Thank you?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, you hang tight, and uh yeah, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to address that tricky little question. Should Joan go to

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<v Speaker 1>all the trouble of locating or should she just move

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<v Speaker 1>directly to repiping that question when we return. You're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to Home with Dean Sharp, the House Whisperer on KFI.

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<v Speaker 2>You're listening to Bill Handle on Demand from KFI AM

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