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Speaker 2: Hi.
Speaker 3: I'm Shannon.
Speaker 2: Hi I'm Tanya, and we are Crimes and Consequences, a
Speaker 2: hardcore true crime podcast.
Speaker 3: Hey Shannon, Hey Tanya.
Speaker 2: How are you.
Speaker 3: Doing pretty good today? How about you?
Speaker 2: It's a Friday. I'm having a good day. What about you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, my day's fantastic. You know, live in the dream
Speaker 3: and I could hear it in your voice.
Speaker 2: You I can.
Speaker 3: It's a wonderful day in the neighborhood.
Speaker 2: So well, what I'm gonna do for us is I'm
Speaker 2: going to finish up that Andre Romanov, bitch Chica Till Story.
Speaker 3: The Red Ripper, that fucking horrible guy.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I left you guys kind of hanging halfway.
Speaker 2: I left you guys with his works up to ninety two,
Speaker 2: so we still have plenty of years to go with
Speaker 2: his work, right, But I'm gonna remind you that of
Speaker 2: his monikers of the Red Ripper, the Butcher of Rosta,
Speaker 2: the Rostov Ripper, the Forest strip Killer, and the Mad Beast,
Speaker 2: he earned every single one of those. I ended by
Speaker 2: letting everybody know. You guys know that in nineteen eighty
Speaker 2: two he had took the lives of six more innocent people.
Speaker 2: And the last person I had mentioned was Olga so
Speaker 2: Ma chuen Up and that was on December eleventh. So
Speaker 2: we're gonna start again with Olga's story. Okay, so Olga,
Speaker 2: she had been lured into a cornfield at the edge
Speaker 2: of town where he overtook her. He did what he
Speaker 2: wanted with her while he stabbed her more than fifty
Speaker 2: times all over her body. He gouged her eyes out
Speaker 2: as well, and he didn't stop there. He decided to
Speaker 2: cut open her stomach, where he reached inside and pulled
Speaker 2: out her bowels and uterus. Then he just left her there. Sadly,
Speaker 2: she wouldn't be found for almost two whole months. Now
Speaker 2: police were beginning to notice the culprit they were looking
Speaker 2: for had developed and now followed a kind of pattern.
Speaker 2: So far, they knew all of the victims had been
Speaker 2: stabbed and cut up in very gruesome ways, whether that
Speaker 2: meant having their eyes gouged out of their head, their
Speaker 2: genitals completely removed from their body, or being disemboweled. The
Speaker 2: bodies of victims had been founded. Bodies of their victims
Speaker 2: had been found in isolated yet heavily wooded areas on
Speaker 2: the outskirts of town, which were within walking distance of
Speaker 2: bus and train stations. They also noted that when their
Speaker 2: killer was finished with the bodies, he made a half
Speaker 2: assed attempt at trying to bury or conceal them in
Speaker 2: any way. These were the facts, and so that's what
Speaker 2: investigators started with. They started a police operation called lessel
Speaker 2: Pulosa aka forest Path. After all, this was where Andre
Speaker 2: did his killing. And as for the nature of the killings,
Speaker 2: they got pretty bad. Police believed that the culprit was
Speaker 2: prolonging his killings because he was taking genuine pleasure from
Speaker 2: the act. Not just because of the numerous stab loans,
Speaker 2: sometimes upwards of thirty or more, but many of the
Speaker 2: bodies were horribly mutilated. Some stomachs were completely ripped open,
Speaker 2: while some were can you this mess? This diabolical? Some
Speaker 2: were completely ripped open, while some were missing sex organs
Speaker 2: that had been chopped off. Mainly, though, it was the
Speaker 2: eyes that got them. Pretty much everybody that had been
Speaker 2: found had stab wounds around the eyes. They would later
Speaker 2: learn that the reason he removed the eyes was attributed
Speaker 2: to a belief that his victims kept an imprint of
Speaker 2: his face in their eyes even after death. But the
Speaker 2: term serial killer was still something new to the Soviet Union,
Speaker 2: as they believed the term to be a Western thing.
Speaker 2: Needless to say, they weren't too keen on admitting that
Speaker 2: they had a phenomenon such as a serial killer on
Speaker 2: their hands. Instead of alerting the media and the people,
Speaker 2: they decided to keep it quiet. Andrea took a break
Speaker 2: for a bit, but not long. In June of nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty three, Dray killed fifteen year old Laura Sarkizen, whose
Speaker 2: body was never found. The police only learned of this
Speaker 2: murder after Andrea was caught and confessed to it years later.
Speaker 2: In July, Andre killed thirteen year old Ira Doan Doan
Speaker 2: and Colva, and a twenty four and a twenty four
Speaker 2: year old woman named Loda Cotajoba. On August eighth, he
Speaker 2: took the life of seven year old Igor goodov Kop.
Speaker 2: Sometime that same summer, he killed an eighteen year old
Speaker 2: girl who still remains unidentified to this day. In September,
Speaker 2: Andre killed twenty two year old Belayah so Jolina. At
Speaker 2: this point, the police believed the killings to be done
Speaker 2: by that of someone who was mentally handicapped due to
Speaker 2: their ghastly nature, so acting on these assumptions, they brought
Speaker 2: in their first two suspects, two young men named Kallenik
Speaker 2: and Shaburrah, who were residents of a special hostel for
Speaker 2: the handicap. They were initially brought in. They were initially
Speaker 2: brought in when they were arrested for trying to steal
Speaker 2: a car. Now that should have been their only charges,
Speaker 2: but the investigators, going off of their suspicions, somehow managed
Speaker 2: to get two confessions from both men claiming that they
Speaker 2: had raped and killed a number of women and children.
Speaker 2: Has been a controversy since many accused the police of
Speaker 2: quote unquote infringement of legality. While the two men were
Speaker 2: being interrogated, two more bodies popped up.
Speaker 3: So that's kind of course he never yeah, no, he's
Speaker 3: never stopping. No.
Speaker 2: Now, the infringement of legality, is that just a fancy
Speaker 2: word for saying you bully the confessions.
Speaker 3: Out of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess so that could probably be it like
Speaker 4: a wrongful confession.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: On October twenty seventh, Andre killed nineteen year old via
Speaker 2: Sev Cohen, and on December twenty seventh, he killed a
Speaker 2: fourteen year old boy named Sergei Markov. He stabbed him
Speaker 2: more than seventy times and sawed off his genitals with
Speaker 2: a knife. God damn so horrible. So so then police
Speaker 2: brought in two more guys from the same mentally handicaped
Speaker 2: hostile name tap and Hana Maarov. Again, both men confess quickly.
Speaker 2: Of course, there were doubts once again about how police
Speaker 2: extracted the confessions. Wrapping up in the end of nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty three, Andre had taken the lives of seventeen people. However,
Speaker 2: only six bodies had been recovered. This was a huge
Speaker 2: concern for the Central Moscow militia as they were alarmed
Speaker 2: by the number of dead children that had surfaced. Oh
Speaker 2: do you think, right, yeah, all these this is terrible.
Speaker 4: If I lived in this community, I'd be like, what
Speaker 4: the hell is the police doing? Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Beating people into confessing bullshit? Yeah, trying to sweep everything
Speaker 2: under the rug and make it easy for them, do
Speaker 2: some fucking footwork.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly Like you get these confessions, these wrongful confessions
Speaker 4: out of people, and the killings don't stop. Because you've
Speaker 4: got the wrong fucking person. Yeah, you're trying to make
Speaker 4: it so easy for you, right, that's all you're doing.
Speaker 4: A new team was sent to Rostov to take over
Speaker 4: the investigation, which was headed by Major Armikil Vetisov and
Speaker 4: his team, and after reviewing all of the findings so far,
Speaker 4: they confirmed that all six murders were the work of
Speaker 4: the same sex crazed killer. While Moscow headquarters reluctantly accepted
Speaker 4: these findings, they weren't about to begin calling the suspect
Speaker 4: a serial killer just yet. After all, this type of
Speaker 4: behavior was simply not possible in Russian culture, or so
Speaker 4: they thought. Police took the samples of seamen which had
Speaker 4: been taken from the victims, and it showed that the
Speaker 4: killer had Type A by blood. During the police investigation,
Speaker 4: hundreds of suspects were brought in for questioning. If any
Speaker 4: of the suspects matched, they were detained for further questioning
Speaker 4: and those that didn't were released. In nineteen eighty four,
Speaker 4: Andre was on a rampage. From January to September alone,
Speaker 4: fifteen new murders had been committed. On January nineteen eighty four,
Speaker 4: Andre killed seventeen year old Italia Jealoupe. Her body was
Speaker 4: found the next day by workers in Aviator's Park. Her
Speaker 4: body was covered in stab loans and her nose and
Speaker 4: upper lip had been cut off, as well as one
Speaker 4: of the fingers on her left hand. On February first,
Speaker 4: Andre killed a forty four year old woman named Marta Rebdjenko.
Speaker 4: Five days later, police arrested a name a man named Beskorski,
Speaker 4: who was not far from the scene of the crime.
Speaker 4: He too was slightly mentally handicapped and had been taken
Speaker 4: in after allegedly raping a tramp in the woods nearby,
Speaker 4: and even though there wasn't any solid evidence against him,
Speaker 4: the coincidence was too great for the police. As a result,
Speaker 4: Beskorski was arrested with two murders, which he had confessed to,
Speaker 4: just like the four other people before.
Speaker 3: Him that were all innocent.
Speaker 2: Yes, then, just the same as the others before him.
Speaker 2: He later withdrew his confession, claiming it was obtained while
Speaker 2: under duress. However, by that time he was already in
Speaker 2: jail and it was too late. But then a month
Speaker 2: later another killing took place. Andre killed a ten year
Speaker 2: old boy named Dima pashnikov on March twenty fourth, and
Speaker 2: his body had a crazy number of stab wounds fifty
Speaker 2: four altogether on a ten.
Speaker 3: Year old boy.
Speaker 2: Wow, and this made the police realize the killer was
Speaker 2: still on the loose. No shit, Sherlock, you know you
Speaker 2: didn't get the right confession. However, this time they found
Speaker 2: a piece of evidence not far from the body, a
Speaker 2: footprint found in the muddy ground. It wasn't much as
Speaker 2: it was an incomplete print, but they could tell it
Speaker 2: belonged to someone who wore a large size shoe. His
Speaker 2: next murder was an interesting one. Andre usually only dealt
Speaker 2: with children and women who were prostitutes, drugs or druggies.
Speaker 2: Not only that, but they were always spontaneous kills. But
Speaker 2: at this time though, this time he made plans to
Speaker 2: meet with his former mistress, thirty two year old Tanya
Speaker 2: Petrocian and her eleven year old daughter Feta Petrocian, and
Speaker 2: this was on May twenty fifth. After getting off the
Speaker 2: train together, the three walked for about ten minutes closer
Speaker 2: to the woods. Andre coaxed Tanya to lay down with him,
Speaker 2: and Sveeda got the hints she began making her way
Speaker 2: further into the woods. To leave them alone and to play,
Speaker 2: and then, when alone, the two began getting intimate. However,
Speaker 2: when they tried to have intercourse, Andre couldn't perform, just
Speaker 2: like he hadn't been able to all those years before,
Speaker 2: except this time, Tanya made a fateful, fateful mistake by
Speaker 2: beginning to mock his impotence.
Speaker 3: Oh dear, yeah right.
Speaker 2: He reached into his bag, produced a large knife, and
Speaker 2: he plunged it right into the side of her head.
Speaker 2: She began screaming, but he didn't stop. He then started
Speaker 2: beating her to death with the hammer. Obviously, her daughter
Speaker 2: came running, but Andre had been waiting for her. As
Speaker 2: soon as she approached the scene of the crime, Andrea
Speaker 2: attacked her in the same manner he did it her mother,
Speaker 2: first by stabbing and then by bludgeoning with the hammer.
Speaker 2: It wasn't until July fifth that the police would find
Speaker 2: Sveda's decomposed body, at least most of it. Her head
Speaker 2: had been completely severed off, and it lay in the
Speaker 2: undergrowth about five yards away. Three weeks later, Tanya's body
Speaker 2: would be found in the dense undergrowth, but only because
Speaker 2: people picnicking in the area complained of an awful smell.
Speaker 2: In June, Andre killed twenty two year old Julena Begalina.
Speaker 2: In July, he killed thirteen year old boy named Dima
Speaker 2: el Arjanov on the tenth, and he killed a nineteen
Speaker 2: year old girl named Anna lemis Jeva on the nineteenth
Speaker 2: and a twenty year old girl named Sveta Sana sometime
Speaker 2: in July. At some point during the summer months, he
Speaker 2: was fired from his job for theft of property. Andre
Speaker 2: started a new job in Rostop on August first. He
Speaker 2: was no longer just a supply clerk, but head of
Speaker 2: a department with five people working below him, and this
Speaker 2: was a good change for him, seeing as the bustling
Speaker 2: city life helped him to blend into the crowd. Plus
Speaker 2: the two hour train ride it took from his home
Speaker 2: and Shakti to his new job in Rostoff gave him
Speaker 2: a good excuse to come home late. Sometimes he wouldn't
Speaker 2: come home at all, claiming he had missed the last train.
Speaker 2: He ended up spending some of the nights in the
Speaker 2: main railway station hunting for new victims. He took advantage
Speaker 2: of his time. Andre killed a sixteen Andre killed a
Speaker 2: sixteen year old girl named Natasha Golasowa on August second,
Speaker 2: while on a business trip to Uzbekistan. A seventeen year
Speaker 2: old girl named Loda Alexeva on August synth. She suffered
Speaker 2: thirty nine slash wounds before he mutilated and disembowled her.
Speaker 2: Her body was found the next day with her upper
Speaker 2: lip inside of her mouth, an unknown woman between the
Speaker 2: eighth and thelanth, a twelve year old girl named Akmarel
Speaker 2: Shadelseva on August thirteenth, and then the boy named Sasha
Speaker 2: Chappelle on August twenty eighth, and a twenty four year
Speaker 2: old girl named Irena Loshinka on September. That is so busy,
Speaker 2: I can't even believe. And how he would just mutilate
Speaker 2: their bodies.
Speaker 3: And how is he not getting caught?
Speaker 2: This is the probably denial, you know, Oh we don't
Speaker 2: have serial killers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, grow up, Yeah, yeah, that's part of it, right, Yes,
Speaker 4: Like some of this stuff, I'm thinking it's in public, It's.
Speaker 2: In public people would have There has to be witnesses,
Speaker 2: there has to be so well. On September thirteenth, two
Speaker 2: undercover detectives roamed around the bus station and dressed as
Speaker 2: normal everyday people and watched everyone talking to everyone. It
Speaker 2: didn't take long for them to notice Andre, who they
Speaker 2: noticed would start combos with random women. They also noted
Speaker 2: that he had some gray hair, which matched that found
Speaker 2: at the crime scene. They began following him into town
Speaker 2: and saw how he approached all types of different women.
Speaker 2: Most importantly, they saw him play with himself in random
Speaker 2: public places.
Speaker 3: We got our boy, We got our guy right here.
Speaker 3: Yeah amen.
Speaker 2: They eventually approached him, and they arrested him on September fourteenth.
Speaker 2: During his search, the police found a knife with an
Speaker 2: eight inch blade, bundles of rope, and a jar of vasoline.
Speaker 3: We got our guy, yeah right.
Speaker 2: Once at the police station, Andre's history painted an unfortunate
Speaker 2: picture for him. They learned all they needed to know
Speaker 2: to be suspicious, not to mention, he was also suspected
Speaker 2: of robbing one of his previous employers, which allowed them
Speaker 2: to keep his detained longer. They decided to draw his
Speaker 2: blood in order to try and match it to the
Speaker 2: six seamen samples that they had collected. Unfortunately, Andrea's blood
Speaker 2: type came back as Type A, while the seamen samples
Speaker 2: were Type AB. What the investigators didn't know at the
Speaker 2: time was that Andrea had an extremely rare condition, a
Speaker 2: rare genetic condition. He was a non secretor, which meant
Speaker 2: that while his blood and saliva samples were Type A,
Speaker 2: his semen was type AB. Since they didn't have the
Speaker 2: modern day DNA testing they do today, they could never
Speaker 2: make the connection, and so that made Andre no longer
Speaker 2: a main priority, and the only real evidence that they
Speaker 2: had left were the contents of his briefcase and the
Speaker 2: police report of his activities at the train station. Incredibly,
Speaker 2: the knife and other items were lost when a local
Speaker 2: police lieutenant mishandled them by mistake. Having insufficient evidence to
Speaker 2: charge him for the murders, he was later charged with
Speaker 2: the stealing offenses and sentenced to one year in prison
Speaker 2: and kicked out of the Communist Party after only serving
Speaker 2: three months of his original sentence. Drey was released on
Speaker 2: December twelfth, nineteen eighty four, and he started a new
Speaker 2: job in a locomotive factory in nearby Novachureseik, just as
Speaker 2: he has, just as he was used to. This position
Speaker 2: also required him to travel. Issa Kostoyev, director of Moscow's
Speaker 2: Department for Violent Crime aka the Killer Department. He took
Speaker 2: over the case which was reorganized into three separate teams
Speaker 2: of investigators, one focused on Shakti, the second on Rostoff,
Speaker 2: and the third Novo Shackton. Their plan was to investigate
Speaker 2: each murder while focusing on the surrounding areas of each one.
Speaker 2: Now Andre laid low for a little while before he
Speaker 2: struck again summer of nineteen eighty five. On August first,
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty five, Andre killed an eighteen year old girl
Speaker 2: named Natasha push Lestova during a business trip to Moscow.
Speaker 2: He had lured her off the train with the promise
Speaker 2: of something to smoke, which she had approached him for,
Speaker 2: and tried to have sex. When he couldn't perform, he
Speaker 2: stabbed her thirty eight times before finally strangling her. When
Speaker 2: he was done, he covered her with the green raincoat
Speaker 2: she had been wearing and left her in the woods,
Speaker 2: and she was found the next day by a man
Speaker 2: picking mushrooms. On October twenty seventh, Andre killed an eighteen
Speaker 2: year old named Irena gol Yayeva. She was a vagrant
Speaker 2: with no place to go. They had met at the
Speaker 2: bus station and he offered her to stay at his cottage.
Speaker 2: Of course, that cottage didn't exist, and she became his
Speaker 2: next victim, he left her naked body about five hundred
Speaker 2: yards from the bus stop. Now, come December, the police
Speaker 2: organized for all of the trains in the three districts
Speaker 2: to be patrolled by officers and playing clothes. They had
Speaker 2: instructions to stop and check the documents of anyone who
Speaker 2: looked suspicious to them. Little did they know that Andre
Speaker 2: used his credentials as a freelance employer of the Department
Speaker 2: of Internal Affairs and had been helping the militia as
Speaker 2: they patrolled the trains. He now knew to kill in
Speaker 2: different areas, but also to take a little break, which
Speaker 2: he did and he didn't kill for all of nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty six.
Speaker 3: Wow, that must have been really hard for him.
Speaker 2: I would think so that struggle, because if you're like
Speaker 2: mass killing that you are blood loss.
Speaker 3: You can't get enough. I'm sure. Yeah, I'm sure it's adrenaline.
Speaker 4: He's like probably an adrenaline junkie, you know, he's probably
Speaker 4: the rush of it.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure it was really hard.
Speaker 4: It's probably similar to like being addicted to drugs for him.
Speaker 2: That's what I didn't think. That's what I compare it
Speaker 2: to too. Just from this search alone, the police turned
Speaker 2: out five and forty five men with previous confistions, ten
Speaker 2: thousand potentially dangerous mentally ill people, one hundred and nineteen homosexuals,
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty three drivers. They managed to solve
Speaker 2: one thousand and sixty two crimes, including ninety five murders
Speaker 2: and forty five rates one hundred and forty cases of
Speaker 2: serious bodily harm. So, back in this time, and I
Speaker 2: don't even know really if it's true today, but back
Speaker 2: in the Ace, men would be punished for homosexual acts.
Speaker 2: So three more murders were recorded in nineteen eighty seven
Speaker 2: and May sixteenth. During a trip to the town of
Speaker 2: Revda in the euro Mountains, he killed a thirteen year
Speaker 2: old boy named Olag Macarinkoff. During another trip to Saprousi
Speaker 2: in the Ukraine, Andre killed a twelve year old boy
Speaker 2: named Ivan Bolitsky on July twenty ninth. The attack was
Speaker 2: so brutal that a part of his knife blade broke
Speaker 2: off and was later found at the scene by police.
Speaker 2: Later in court, the mother would say the following the
Speaker 2: day I buried my son, I gave him my word
Speaker 2: that I would try to live long enough to see
Speaker 2: his killer with my own eyes. I wanted to see
Speaker 2: the man who could rip open my son's stomach and
Speaker 2: then stuff mud in his mouth so that he would
Speaker 2: not cry out. I want to know what he looked like,
Speaker 2: to know which mother could bear such an animal. And
Speaker 2: now I see him. Wow, that's pretty powerful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is.
Speaker 2: Then during a trip to Leningrad on September fifteenth, Andre
Speaker 2: killed a sixteen year old boy named Jora Zarah Soddoc.
Speaker 2: The investigators were stumped. They could see why prostitutes and
Speaker 2: the like would go off with the killer, but they
Speaker 2: couldn't understand the young children. Why did they follow him
Speaker 2: and what did he say? Then again, he presented himself
Speaker 2: as an educated all dress man who would sympathize with
Speaker 2: their situation, whatever it may be. On April sixth, nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty eight, the police found the body of an unidentified
Speaker 2: twelve year old girl who had been killed two to
Speaker 2: five days earlier. Then, on May fourteenth, Andre killed a
Speaker 2: nine year old boy named Loja Veronko. Then exactly two
Speaker 2: months later, he killed a fifteen year old boy named
Speaker 2: Zanja Moratov. This case was a puzzle to police. They
Speaker 2: couldn't understand why this boy would go off with the
Speaker 2: killer so willingly he wasn't a runaway or a likely suspect.
Speaker 2: Later on, after the case was over, a Rostov psychiatrist
Speaker 2: cruised the streets as a middle aged, solidly built man
Speaker 2: and tried to lure children in his car with the
Speaker 2: promise of food or drink. He was shocked and horrified
Speaker 2: at the number of children that accepted his offer and
Speaker 2: willingly climbed into the passenger seat to head to an
Speaker 2: unknown destination. They found the boy's bones eight months later.
Speaker 2: More than seven months later, Andre would kill again. He
Speaker 2: was at the railway stage when he saw sixteen year
Speaker 2: old Tatiana Rasova with her dirty clothes, her unkempt hair,
Speaker 2: and of course, the smell of alcohol ho her. He
Speaker 2: approached her and offered her food and drink, knowing that
Speaker 2: he had his daughter's keys to her empty apartment. She
Speaker 2: had recently gotten a divorce, and Andrea was in charge
Speaker 2: of trying to swap the apartment with two smaller ones
Speaker 2: so his daughter and son in law could live separate lives.
Speaker 2: Once at the apartment, Andrea offered her some badka before
Speaker 2: seducing her. He couldn't perform once again, which made the
Speaker 2: girl get loud, so he pulled out a knife and
Speaker 2: stabbed her in the mouth. He then violated her body.
Speaker 2: He knew he had to dispose of the body, but
Speaker 2: it would be tricky trying to get her out of
Speaker 2: the flat, so he decided to take a knife from
Speaker 2: the kitchen and start sawing off her head and limbs.
Speaker 2: He then wrapped her in rags and pieces of clothing
Speaker 2: and put her in the cellar while he finished cleaning
Speaker 2: up the blood. Then he went and found a sled outside,
Speaker 2: which he tied the girl's remains to. He began and
Speaker 2: moving her away from the house, but once he neared
Speaker 2: the railway crossing, he got the sled stuck. A passerby
Speaker 2: started coming towards him, which made him panic. However, the
Speaker 2: other man simply bent down and helped him lift the
Speaker 2: sled over the track. Once the man disappeared from out
Speaker 2: of sight, Andre began to stuff the body parts into
Speaker 2: some large pipes that ran near the railway, and her
Speaker 2: body was found nine days later. By this time everything
Speaker 2: pointed to the railway, whether it was that victims were
Speaker 2: found close or that they were last seen alive at
Speaker 2: the railway. They began manning the railways with plane clothes
Speaker 2: investigators times and upwards of five to six hundred officers patrolling.
Speaker 2: Some were acting like passengers, while others were in the
Speaker 2: surrounding woods pretending to pick mushrooms, which was a favorite
Speaker 2: Russian pastime. Some of the women were posing a prostitutes,
Speaker 2: but he never took the bait. When he was interviewed
Speaker 2: after his capture, Dre may clear that he never set
Speaker 2: out in search of typically a man or a woman.
Speaker 2: If the victim turned out to be an adult woman,
Speaker 2: all was well, but it was just as good if
Speaker 2: it was a prepubescent girl or a fourteen year old boy.
Speaker 2: He was the ultimate opportunist. The main thing for him
Speaker 2: was to kill. On May eleventh, nineteen eighty nine, Andre
Speaker 2: was shopping on the edge of town when he first
Speaker 2: saw an eight year old boy named Sasha jackanof He
Speaker 2: was in his school uniform and he was walking alongside
Speaker 2: the main road. Normally, he would lure the boy somewhere,
Speaker 2: but his desire was so strong that he merely waited
Speaker 2: for the boy to be covered by a row of bushes,
Speaker 2: and once he was, Andre jumped up from behind him
Speaker 2: and began stabbing him. The bustle of the city covered
Speaker 2: the boy's screams. He left the boy just twenty yards
Speaker 2: from the road, but even then he wasn't found till
Speaker 2: fifty five.
Speaker 4: Wow, did you say his name was Sasha jackanof mm hmm, that's.
Speaker 2: A lot of I think they're yakinov. I think the
Speaker 2: jay the DJ might be a yah. I'm not sure
Speaker 2: or jah.
Speaker 3: I know, I'm like, what what did I just hear? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So then he killed a ten year old boy named
Speaker 2: Losia Mojess on June twentietheen eighty nine. And I'm gonna
Speaker 2: tell you right now, these Russian and Ukrainian names are
Speaker 2: very hard to sound out right, but like a little
Speaker 2: compassion of my pronunciation.
Speaker 3: I know. I'm like, ooh, some of these are just oh,
Speaker 3: I gotta edit that. Yeah.
Speaker 2: On August nineteenth, nineteen eighty nine, Andrea was waiting at
Speaker 2: a bus stop on his way to celebrate his father's
Speaker 2: birthday party when he saw nineteen year old Yelena Barga.
Speaker 2: He offered to walk her home, and on the way
Speaker 2: he lured her into the woods, where he began stabbing her.
Speaker 2: After cutting out her uterus and slicing up part of
Speaker 2: her face. He wrapped what was left of her in
Speaker 2: clothing and left for the party. On August twenty eighth,
Speaker 2: teen eighty nine, Andre met a ten year old boy
Speaker 2: named Aliosa Chibata who was fascinated by horror films. Of course,
Speaker 2: Andrea used that knowledge to his advantage. Andre told the
Speaker 2: boy he could show him some great horror films and
Speaker 2: asked him to come with him to see what's crazy
Speaker 2: about this murder is Andrea was originally planning to commit
Speaker 2: suicide due to his bouts of depression, so he had
Speaker 2: actually dug a grave for himself in Rostoff Cemetery earlier
Speaker 2: that week, and instead he ended up leading this boy
Speaker 2: to it, and after hitting the boy in the head,
Speaker 2: he jumped on the boy and began attacking him. He
Speaker 2: bit off his tongue and caught off his sexual organs,
Speaker 2: and then he threw the boy in the pit and
Speaker 2: covered it with dirt. The body wasn't found until well
Speaker 2: after Andrea was eventually arrested.
Speaker 3: As time went.
Speaker 2: On, police recovered more and more bodies with missing body parts.
Speaker 2: Most females were missing their uterus and nipples, while the
Speaker 2: males were missing their genitals and sometimes had their tongue
Speaker 2: sliced or bitten off completely. Andre and his killings were
Speaker 2: evolving and truly becoming so much worse with the passing days.
Speaker 2: Police learned that their killer enjoyed intensifying the suffering of
Speaker 2: victims by performing little operations on them while they were
Speaker 2: still alive. Photographs in the files of the investigators showed
Speaker 2: the state of the corpse after each were found. Even
Speaker 2: those that were fresh were virtually unrecognizable as a result
Speaker 2: not just of stabbing and slashing, but of deep wounds
Speaker 2: in the belly through which he extracted their internal organs.
Speaker 2: By now, his knowledge of human anatomy was such that
Speaker 2: he knew what they were, which he wanted, and exactly
Speaker 2: where to cut in order to get at them most easily.
Speaker 2: The agony of his victims must have been incredible. Many
Speaker 2: must have died literally of shock as the crazed surgeon
Speaker 2: made his incisions, said the investigator. Another part of his
Speaker 2: routine became him cutting off and chewing on the genitals.
Speaker 2: He didn't swallow, but it doesn't matter. At this point.
Speaker 2: He was obsessed with uteruses and got really good at
Speaker 2: cutting them out. Quote. I did not want to bite them,
Speaker 2: so much as chew them. Andre later said they were
Speaker 2: so beautiful and elastic. This is like an an like.
Speaker 2: You can't hardly hear the fucking words out of his mouth.
Speaker 3: I know, what the hell.
Speaker 4: I am so disturbed by the story. I'm speechless.
Speaker 2: As it was just at the end of the twentieth century,
Speaker 2: the nineteen hundreds. I mean, this is just right in
Speaker 2: our backyards.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly so.
Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety marked the last year finally of Andrea's freedom,
Speaker 2: and he definitely lived it up by killing eight more people.
Speaker 2: On January fourteenth, he killed eleven year old boy named
Speaker 2: Andre Krypchenko, a ten year old boy name Mizalav mark
Speaker 2: Mark Karoff, Markaroff on March seventh, a thirty one year
Speaker 2: old woman name named Lobov Zoyeva in April, a thirteen
Speaker 2: year old boy named Vita Petrov on July twenty eighth,
Speaker 2: and eleven year old boy named Ivan Foeman on August fourteenth,
Speaker 2: a sixteen year old boy named Vedam Gromov on October seventeenth,
Speaker 2: a sixteen year old boy named Vita Schachenko on October thirtieth.
Speaker 2: Andrea would later describe the murder of Veden Gromov to
Speaker 2: be among his most brutal killings. Conradi writes, after they
Speaker 2: had gone on for some three hundred yards together, he
Speaker 2: suddenly began to shake and to feel sexually aroused. Taking
Speaker 2: the boy completely by surprise, he jumped on him from
Speaker 2: behind and forced him to the ground, ripping off his trousers.
Speaker 2: As his victim lay pinned on his face, Andre off
Speaker 2: his own trousers and underpants, and he rubbed his penis
Speaker 2: against Grumov's buttox until he ejaculated. At that moment with
Speaker 2: the last ounce of his energy, the boy tried to escape,
Speaker 2: Andrea was too fast and too strong. Taking a length
Speaker 2: of rope from his bag, he tied the boy's hands and,
Speaker 2: turning him onto his back, began to strip off the
Speaker 2: rest of his clothes. Then, as the animal in him
Speaker 2: took over, he bit off the tip of the boy's
Speaker 2: tongue and began to strike at him wildly in the
Speaker 2: head and stomach within his knife. Gromov died within seconds,
Speaker 2: and in a gruesome finale, Andrea took the blade and
Speaker 2: cut off his genitals, tossing them away into the undergrowth.
Speaker 2: As the euphoria faded, he untied the hands, removed the
Speaker 2: few scraps of clothing still left on him, and dragged
Speaker 2: the naked body off to the bushes, where he covered
Speaker 2: it with leaves. He used the clothes to clean the
Speaker 2: blood off his hands, then they too were tossed into
Speaker 2: the bushes. After straightening his own clothes, he left as
Speaker 2: calmly as he had arrived, going back to the station
Speaker 2: and taking the train home to Novo. The police took
Speaker 2: their policing to the next level and used all of
Speaker 2: the officers They had to man every bus stop and
Speaker 2: train station across all the usual killing areas. I'm gonna say,
Speaker 2: maybe post some officers in the fucking underbrush. Yeah that
Speaker 2: he keeps throwing things in.
Speaker 3: I know, right, Yeah, that might be a good spot,
Speaker 3: the undergrowth. Yes.
Speaker 2: They were forced to suspect anyone and anything and ask
Speaker 2: for information immediately upon first inner action, So it made
Speaker 2: things even worse when Andre managed to kill yet again. Lastly,
Speaker 2: on November sixth, Andre killed a twenty two year old
Speaker 2: woman named Svetlana Karstik. She went with him to the
Speaker 2: woods near less Cause station and was beaten, stabbed, mutilated,
Speaker 2: and missing her genitals. Andre removed the tip of her
Speaker 2: tongue and both nipples and ate them at the scene
Speaker 2: before he covered her naked body with leaves and branches.
Speaker 2: And as he returned to the Duless Cause station, an
Speaker 2: officer spotted Andre coming out of the woods. He was
Speaker 2: a middle aged man, probably in his peace, wearing a
Speaker 2: gray suit, tie, glasses, and carrying a bag with a
Speaker 2: shoulder strap. At the opposite end of the platform there
Speaker 2: was a water hydrant which the man stopped to use
Speaker 2: to clean himself up. Now this wasn't all too unusual, because,
Speaker 2: like I said before, mushroom picking in these parts as
Speaker 2: a big you know, doing it, and they would often
Speaker 2: come out looking dirty and stopping at the hydrant to
Speaker 2: clean up. However, as the officer Rbakov got closer to
Speaker 2: the man in question, he noticed a bandage on the
Speaker 2: man's fingers along with a red stain on his cheek.
Speaker 2: Rybakov approached the man and asked for his papers, and
Speaker 2: wouldn't you know it, it was Andre. Of course, this
Speaker 2: officer didn't know anything about Andre or his past run
Speaker 2: ins with the law in relation to this case. He
Speaker 2: took down the name and later, after leaving his post
Speaker 2: at the station, he wrote a report about this encounter
Speaker 2: with Andrea. Now, who knows what happened to that report.
Speaker 2: On November thirteenth, forty police officers and twenty dogs combed
Speaker 2: the nearby area only to find that Sputa's body was there.
Speaker 2: Officers were blown away as that meant that Andrea had
Speaker 2: to have slipped past their men at the station. This
Speaker 2: made them go back and look at the reports, and
Speaker 2: that's when they found the write up about the last
Speaker 2: Andrea encounter and they began to follow him. So on
Speaker 2: November twentieth, Andre left work to have his finger checked
Speaker 2: out by a doctor, which he had gotten when one
Speaker 2: of his victim's bit his finger. After receiving treatment at
Speaker 2: a nearby clinic, he left with a broken finger. Not
Speaker 2: long after arriving home, he took off again to have
Speaker 2: a beer, but on his way he couldn't help but
Speaker 2: to talk to a young boy he saw. However, the
Speaker 2: young boy was scared off when a woman approached the
Speaker 2: two of them. He continued to walk down the road
Speaker 2: until he bumped into another young boy, whom he started
Speaker 2: a conversation with. This young boy was eventually called away
Speaker 2: by his mother, and this didn't seem to sway Andre
Speaker 2: because he just kept on his way scoping out potential victims.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because he will kill anybody, so it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: After he's already pulled in for questioning, and that didn't stop,
Speaker 2: only stopped him for a year. He won't be stopped. Yes,
Speaker 2: you're right. That's when three mother, that's when three men
Speaker 2: in leather jackets walked up to him and identified themselves
Speaker 2: as police. He was then handcuffed and arrested, and during
Speaker 2: the search of his person, police found that the briefcase
Speaker 2: Andre had been carrying with him had a knife, a
Speaker 2: length of rope, and a jar of basolene inside. After
Speaker 2: a thorough search of his apartment, police found twenty three knives,
Speaker 2: a hammer, and a pair of shoes which were later
Speaker 2: found to match the footprint next to one found by
Speaker 2: a previous victim. It took five days of interrogating Andre
Speaker 2: before the police got anything from him. He wasn't saying
Speaker 2: much of anything at all until psychiatrists Alexanderkanowski sat down
Speaker 2: with him and made Andre think he was trying to
Speaker 2: understand the mind of serial killer. After all, this psychiatrist
Speaker 2: had worked tirelessly with police and created an entire profile
Speaker 2: on the kind of killer Andre was. Of course, Andre
Speaker 2: was intrigued by this attention, but once the man began reading,
Speaker 2: Andre had never felt so seen or heard in his life.
Speaker 2: This man he had just met began reading what Andre
Speaker 2: couldn't believe described him to the tee. Andre ended up
Speaker 2: breaking down and telling the psychiatrist everything he was guilty
Speaker 2: of the police had only originally suspected him of thirty
Speaker 2: six murders, so they were quite surprised to learn that
Speaker 2: he was actually responsible for fifty six murders. Afterwards, the
Speaker 2: psychio i has trisdeemed Andre to fit to stand trial.
Speaker 2: April fourteenth, nineteen ninety two, marked the very first day
Speaker 2: of Andre's trial. He was held in an iron cage
Speaker 2: so as to keep him away from the jury. While
Speaker 2: in there, he would randomly burst into song, ramblot and gibberish,
Speaker 2: and even pull down his pants to expose himself. I
Speaker 2: can only imagine this show.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine?
Speaker 4: Okay, we were watching Court TV and it's some you know,
Speaker 4: craziest trial and they bring this guy in in a
Speaker 4: fucking cage and then he just starts singing and he
Speaker 4: pulls his pants down and come on, man.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, can you imagine if you and I
Speaker 2: were sitting in jury's I would look at you like,
Speaker 2: live this motherfucker.
Speaker 3: I'm like, are you seeing this?
Speaker 2: Quite a show?
Speaker 3: Yeah? What the fuck?
Speaker 2: But through all that, he seemed to show no remorse
Speaker 2: for his actions whatsoever, and if anything, he seemed to
Speaker 2: be proud of what he had done while on the saint.
Speaker 2: While on the stand, Drey himself said the following, I
Speaker 2: was like a craze wolf. I just turned into a beast,
Speaker 2: into a wild animal, unquote. On October fifteenth, nineteen ninety two,
Speaker 2: Andrea was found guilty of fifty two counts of murder,
Speaker 2: one charge having been dropped due to insufficient evidence. The
Speaker 2: fifty three deaths ended up being eighteen women, fourteen girls,
Speaker 2: and twenty one boys. On February fourteenth, nineteen ninety four,
Speaker 2: Drey Romanovitch Chikatilo was executed by a single shot to
Speaker 2: the back of the head. The only sentence that he deserves,
Speaker 2: the judge stated, and that is the story of Andre Chikatilo.
Speaker 3: Damn girl, this one was mad.
Speaker 4: I think this is one of the most horrible yes
Speaker 4: stories I've ever heard.
Speaker 2: Operating while victims are still alive. The mutal of the
Speaker 2: body come on, Yeah, like what the fuck you gotta
Speaker 2: And then just like the whole chewing on body parts, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like what the fuck is that? Yeah, whitey like tips
Speaker 3: of your tongue and nipples and like.
Speaker 2: What I don't get?
Speaker 4: Yes, I am, I mean we've talked about this million times,
Speaker 4: like just being fascinated with like how does how does
Speaker 4: somebody become that person?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Right?
Speaker 2: And I think they were trying to say something about
Speaker 2: the water on the brain, that hydro syphilis condition. I
Speaker 2: don't know, But.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I don't know. I'm not,
Speaker 3: you know, obviously a doctor. I'm not a trained professional.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, I'm a I'm an excellent judger though
Speaker 2: I like to judge.
Speaker 3: Yes, I like speculate quite a bit.
Speaker 4: Set, Yeah, I just the hell And you don't even
Speaker 4: know where to begin with this awfulness. And then like
Speaker 4: the police are just like fucking it up over and
Speaker 4: over and over.
Speaker 2: They're looking for the easy way out. Let's go to
Speaker 2: the mentally handicapped home, yeah, and make every cause then
Speaker 2: they don't got to look.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And then yeah, let's brow beat some poor handicaped person
Speaker 4: and force them into some confession because they're terrified, and
Speaker 4: then yes, and then all surprise, the killings continue.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I just I don't know. This was messed up.
Speaker 3: And I don't think I've ever heard this story.
Speaker 2: I don't think. I don't remember this awfulness.
Speaker 3: I know, I don't remember this. You think this would
Speaker 3: have made news? Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I was in nineteen eighties. I guess I was just
Speaker 4: hit my head in the sand. I was in high
Speaker 4: school in Shakau.
Speaker 2: I was going in college. Yeah, I was over in Germany.
Speaker 2: I had no idea because I'm looking alike. And when
Speaker 2: he was found guilty in nineteen ninety two, I was
Speaker 2: still in the service. So I have no idea what's
Speaker 2: going on.
Speaker 3: I know, I'm in college, just living my life. I guess. Yeah.
Speaker 4: You know it's crazy, though, But thank you very much
Speaker 4: for that story. That horrorific those victims. It's just so sad,
Speaker 4: it is, you know, I just it's.
Speaker 3: Very, very terrible.
Speaker 2: And his pictures of him are unsettling, the ones that
Speaker 2: I have posted. You know this with the story, Yeah,
Speaker 2: do you see his eyes? Like? Yeah, do you ever
Speaker 2: look at someone and just you're confident you can see
Speaker 2: the crazy and at least one of the eyes. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: definitely he's got that look disturbing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely.
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