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<v Speaker 1>This show is produced and hosted by Mark Webber. The

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<v Speaker 1>show is sponsored by G three of Parol. If he's

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<v Speaker 1>expressed in the following program are those of the sponsor

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<v Speaker 1>and not necessarily the opinion of seven tenor or iHeartMedia.

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<v Speaker 1>Who is Mark Weber. He's a self made business executive

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<v Speaker 1>here to help you find your success from the New

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<v Speaker 1>York City projects to the Avenue Montaigne in Paris. His

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<v Speaker 1>global success story in the luxury world of fashion is inspirational.

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<v Speaker 1>He's gone from clerk to CEO twice. Mark his classic

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<v Speaker 1>proof that the American dream is alive. And well, here's

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<v Speaker 1>your host of Always in Fashion, Mark Weber.

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Weber.

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<v Speaker 3>I often wonder whether I should just be quiet. There's

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<v Speaker 3>no question that in this life. If I just didn't answer,

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<v Speaker 3>just didn't offer, didn't suggest, refrain from options, kept my

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<v Speaker 3>advice to myself, kept my own counsel, I didn't get involved.

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<v Speaker 3>I kept my mouth shut. I just might be happier.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been working on my happiness, which is more important

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<v Speaker 3>to me than being heard. And you think, after all

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<v Speaker 3>this time, I've had learned that no response is a response.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't have to say anything if you don't want to.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I have to admit I could be my own

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<v Speaker 3>worst enemy forgetting humans and their nature.

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<v Speaker 2>Humans. Many don't wish you well.

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<v Speaker 3>Particularly if you talk about yourself. My wife always warned me.

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<v Speaker 3>She said, those above you in business mark will love

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<v Speaker 3>you until you catch up to them. And then I

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<v Speaker 3>learned on my own that those below you that work

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<v Speaker 3>for you will love you for the thousand things you

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<v Speaker 3>do for them until you say no once and then

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<v Speaker 3>all bets are off. Yet here I am. I'm happy,

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<v Speaker 3>and when I'm happy, it's makes me funny. And when

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<v Speaker 3>I'm funny, I talk too much and invariably get into trouble.

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<v Speaker 3>But I want to talk. I have a show tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a Radis show talk. So I have things

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<v Speaker 3>I want to do. I have stories I want to tell.

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<v Speaker 3>Now part of what I'm going to do tonight is

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<v Speaker 3>paint the bullseye on my back. I deserve it. I

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<v Speaker 3>have some things I have to share. I want to

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<v Speaker 3>teach some important lessons. But I will tell you from

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<v Speaker 3>now on in this world, if someone asked me a

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<v Speaker 3>question and I don't answer, that means that's my answer.

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<v Speaker 3>And perhaps all of you learned that lesson you too,

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<v Speaker 3>will realize no response is a response. With that as

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<v Speaker 3>a back trip, I want to introduce my co host,

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<v Speaker 3>my lawyer, and my son, Jesse Webber. Jesse, you haven't

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<v Speaker 3>been on the show in a while, and now you're back.

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<v Speaker 4>I know, I know, I know. It's just been incredibly

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<v Speaker 4>busy in the legal world. Have you seen how many

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<v Speaker 4>cases are happening right now, how much Trump legal stuff's

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<v Speaker 4>been going on. I want to be on the show,

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<v Speaker 4>but I'll tell you I listened to the show last week.

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<v Speaker 2>It was great.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought it was a great show. I did have

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<v Speaker 4>one question for you. I did have one question for

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<v Speaker 4>you about the show last week. You gave this great

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<v Speaker 4>story about Macy's West Macy's East, and I'm not going

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<v Speaker 4>to summarize the whole thing, but you basically were reassured

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<v Speaker 4>the guy that ran Macy's East that they were going

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<v Speaker 4>to continue to carry the brand. But there was this whole,

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<v Speaker 4>big concern about Macy's West not no longer carrying it.

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<v Speaker 4>The one thing I never understood was what happened after

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<v Speaker 4>Macy's West said they weren't going to carry You had

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<v Speaker 4>to report that back to the board, right. You tried

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<v Speaker 4>every which way to make sure the brand was held

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<v Speaker 4>by Macy's West. Did the board say, hey, Mark, did

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<v Speaker 4>you try every which way? I mean, were they What

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<v Speaker 4>did they say to you when you came back and said, listen,

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<v Speaker 4>I tried every which way for Macy's West Coast to

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<v Speaker 4>keep our brand and they said no. What was the

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<v Speaker 4>reaction from the company about that? That was the one

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<v Speaker 4>part I was missing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Well, Macy's East decided to stay loyal to the brand.

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<v Speaker 3>Macy's West ran away. I told the board that this

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<v Speaker 3>is happening. I told the board, it's not going to work,

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<v Speaker 3>the trading off our great brand for some private lebel

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<v Speaker 3>brand and over time it'll come back and let's just

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<v Speaker 3>stay the course. And that, in turn, is what happened.

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<v Speaker 3>So it was really a non entity of the board.

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<v Speaker 3>But thank you for bringing that up. But what I

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<v Speaker 3>want to talk about a little differently tonight is the

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<v Speaker 3>idea of being quiet. You know, when you talk, when

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<v Speaker 3>you don't talk? What is rule number one?

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<v Speaker 2>Keep the mouth closed exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Now that began with you jumping in the swimming pool

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<v Speaker 3>with you little boy, keep the mouth closed, and then

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<v Speaker 3>in life it's the same thing. Don Corleone said, never

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<v Speaker 3>let anyone outside the family know what you're thinking.

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<v Speaker 2>Same thing.

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<v Speaker 3>You gotta keep the mouth beclouse. I'm always getting in trouble.

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<v Speaker 3>But the other day I had a reoccurring thing. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>going to talk about. Somebody called me eccentric. I'm not eccentric.

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<v Speaker 2>You are.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's not a bad thing. It's not a bad thing.

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<v Speaker 4>You should wear it as a badge of honor. It's

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<v Speaker 4>funny I was talking about somebody.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait a minute, Wait a minute, I have tape something

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<v Speaker 2>I want to play for you.

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<v Speaker 5>What eccentric is Eccentric as an adjective definition one of

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<v Speaker 5>a person or their behavior unconventional and slightly strange, as

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<v Speaker 5>in my favorite aunt is very eccentric In a technical sense,

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<v Speaker 5>definition two of a thing not play centrally, or not

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<v Speaker 5>having its axis or other part play centrally, as in

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<v Speaker 5>a servo driving in eccentric cam. As a noun, definition

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<v Speaker 5>one a person of unconventional and slightly strange views or behavior,

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<v Speaker 5>as in he enjoys a colorful reputation as an engaging eccentric.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was a great thing. Listen to what

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<v Speaker 2>it just said. I'm strange on this.

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<v Speaker 4>That's bad. That's bad. All the great people in this world,

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<v Speaker 4>so entrepreneurs, the best in industries. They're all unique, they're

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<v Speaker 4>all one of a kind. They've all been called different

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<v Speaker 4>or weird or eccentric. That's not a bad thing. I

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<v Speaker 4>spoke to somebody today who I work with, and I

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<v Speaker 4>told him, I said to them, right through his face,

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, I will never meet anyone like you

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<v Speaker 4>ever again in my life. I said. There's some people

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<v Speaker 4>that you meet who are like at of Central Casting.

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<v Speaker 4>You know exactly what they're about. They're very characteristic of everybody.

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<v Speaker 4>It's great to be different. That's how you stand out.

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<v Speaker 4>That's how you stand out. I think you're the same way.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm going to cover thank you for that. I

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<v Speaker 3>figured you jump on my head for being weird.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I mean you're weird. I mean you're weird and

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<v Speaker 4>good ways and bad ways. There are some things you're

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<v Speaker 4>weird about a little eccentric about that. I'm like, eh,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know. But other than that, it's great.

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<v Speaker 3>What's the most important case you're covering out? Talking weird?

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<v Speaker 4>Did he I want to talk weird? Diddy? Diddy's trials

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<v Speaker 4>about to start, so.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really I didn't realize.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this past week perspective, jurors were brought into the courtroom,

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<v Speaker 4>not for individual questioning. They filled out questionnaires, forms about

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<v Speaker 4>what's your age, where do you live, have you heard

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<v Speaker 4>anything about the case, And then they're going to be

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<v Speaker 4>whittled down and we're going to have real jury selection

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<v Speaker 4>beginning next week. I think it's gonna be very tough

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<v Speaker 4>to find the jury in this case. But remember, he's

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<v Speaker 4>going to trial federal court facing five sex crimes charges,

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<v Speaker 4>faces potentially the rest of his life in prison. All

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<v Speaker 4>eyes are going to be on this trial. And you

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<v Speaker 4>want to talk weird. He's accused of doing a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of weird things.

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<v Speaker 2>Is he going down?

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<v Speaker 4>Hard to say? I'll say this much. What he's charged

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<v Speaker 4>with are very specific crimes. So if we're talking sex trafficking,

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<v Speaker 4>there are very specific elements that the prosecution has to prove,

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<v Speaker 4>And I gotta say, I'll see what the evidence is,

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<v Speaker 4>but I think the defense can make an argument that

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<v Speaker 4>this is not a classic example of that. That he

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<v Speaker 4>might have had relationships with girlfriends and was flying them

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<v Speaker 4>out and paying them and buying gifts for them. Is

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<v Speaker 4>that really what sex trafficking is? Did he run a

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<v Speaker 4>criminal enterprise? For a racketeering charge. I know why they

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<v Speaker 4>charged them the way they did, but I don't know

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<v Speaker 4>if a jury's going to accept it. This is not

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<v Speaker 4>a case of did Sean Combs abuse anyone or engage

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<v Speaker 4>in sexual assault? That's not what this is. It's very,

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<v Speaker 4>very different. It's beyond that. And I think the prosecution,

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<v Speaker 4>though this is the Southern District of New York federal prosecutors,

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<v Speaker 4>they wouldn't move forward with the case unless they felt

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<v Speaker 4>they had the goods. There's talk about whether or not

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<v Speaker 4>they offered a plea deal and Shawn Combs rejected it.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna be very curious to see how everything's argued

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<v Speaker 4>and who ends up testifying. But it's gonna be quite

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<v Speaker 4>the case. And by the way, it's by the way,

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<v Speaker 4>it's very rare for a federal case like this to

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<v Speaker 4>go to trial and very rare for it to go

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<v Speaker 4>to trial within a year of when someone's arrested. But

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<v Speaker 4>Shawn Colmbs wants to go full speed ahead. He wants

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<v Speaker 4>us to go to trial. It seems like he believes

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<v Speaker 4>he can be acquitted in this case. Very interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>When you said the jury, what are the criteria for jury?

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<v Speaker 3>How are they going to find a jury that doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>know anything about this.

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<v Speaker 4>They're not going to try to find a jury that

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<v Speaker 4>doesn't know anything about this. It's going to be, first

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<v Speaker 4>of all, impossible to find a jury that doesn't know

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<v Speaker 4>who Sean Combs is. Okay, that's going to be number one.

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<v Speaker 4>But to find a jury that hasn't heard something about

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<v Speaker 4>the charges or the criminal case, or seen that really

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<v Speaker 4>really bad video of him allegedly beating up an ex girlfriend. No,

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<v Speaker 4>The question is can the jurors who are seated, can

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<v Speaker 4>they put aside whatever they've seen about the case. Can

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<v Speaker 4>they put aside whatever opinions they have and say I

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<v Speaker 4>promise to make a decision purely based on the facts

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<v Speaker 4>and the evidence presented in this courtroom. Easier said than done.

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<v Speaker 4>You have to take their word for it. Sometimes their

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<v Speaker 4>backgrounds are going to be looked into. Did they post

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<v Speaker 4>anything on social media about it in the past year?

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<v Speaker 4>But that's what you're looking for, and you better have alternates.

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<v Speaker 4>You better have a lot of alternates, because during the

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<v Speaker 4>course of what could be an eight week trial, things happened,

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<v Speaker 4>jurors could say things, they might be approached. You want

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<v Speaker 4>to make sure you have enough because if you run

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<v Speaker 4>out of jurors, then you have a mistrial. So you

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<v Speaker 4>want to make sure you have enough jurors and jurors

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<v Speaker 4>who can look at this case impartially.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, here's the deal. I'm glad we have a little

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<v Speaker 3>current events. I'm glad we're going to talk about this.

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<v Speaker 3>That might be very helpful for everybody to watch. But

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<v Speaker 3>here's the case I'm going to build right now, you're ready.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been accused of being eccentric, and point out and

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<v Speaker 3>prove that I'm not with that of mine. I hate

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<v Speaker 3>talking about myself. In all my formal lives. My former reiterations,

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<v Speaker 3>I talked about brands. I talked about the companies I

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<v Speaker 3>work for, the brands I represent. Now the brands that

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<v Speaker 3>I'm representing is always in fashion, and I'm a point

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<v Speaker 3>I have to admit, I'm always concerned that when I

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<v Speaker 3>to yours truly, if you ask me. Hey, I think

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<v Speaker 3>others to decide, but I know I'm well trained. But

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<v Speaker 3>this is where I want to go. And I have

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<v Speaker 3>a story I want to tell you that happened a

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<v Speaker 3>while ago, but reoccurred last week. I was cold eccentric.

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<v Speaker 3>I always wore eccentric as a badge of honor. I

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<v Speaker 5>Eccentric as an adjective definition one of a person or

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<v Speaker 5>of a thing not play centrally, or not having its

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<v Speaker 3>So I'll say I've always been different. Some would say

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<v Speaker 3>Now?

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<v Speaker 3>I was with a group of people the other night

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<v Speaker 3>and were shooting the breeze, and I decided to hold court, talking,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, okay about my wardrobe. And one woman said

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<v Speaker 3>to me, you don't mark. Every time I see you,

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<v Speaker 3>you're wearing a navy suit. So I decided to be playful.

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<v Speaker 3>How do I look? She says, you always look great

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<v Speaker 3>to me. Now I'm thinking, is this where I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>Now?

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<v Speaker 3>I look at her and say, well, how good is good?

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<v Speaker 3>And she says you look great?

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<v Speaker 2>Why? Ass?

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<v Speaker 3>She said? Seriously? Yeah, you said I look good. I'm curious.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you fishing for compliments?

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<v Speaker 2>Mark?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm interested in what you have to say. Now

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<v Speaker 3>I'm being charming, or at least I think I am.

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<v Speaker 3>I I'm watching what's going on the table and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>of all, you're handsome.

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<v Speaker 2>I start to walk thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>You have great hair and your shirt serves you well.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I'm feeling like Brad Pitten. I go to the

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<v Speaker 3>Larry David mode with that. You like the navy, I

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<v Speaker 3>love it, And here we go. I have a story

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<v Speaker 3>to tell, and I start to tell the story, and

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<v Speaker 3>the story goes. I'm thinking, how I tell you. I

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<v Speaker 3>had been in the industry for a while, and I

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<v Speaker 3>tried very different things. I was a fashionable kind of

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<v Speaker 3>I was chasing it, and I literally was chasing it

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<v Speaker 3>down the wrong street. I got myself into fashion faux pars,

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<v Speaker 3>and I wore banded collars with a suit, you know

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<v Speaker 3>those dress shirts without a collar buttons, and then I

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<v Speaker 3>can look out fool. I went to a charity event

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<v Speaker 3>and I wore an orange shirt. At the time, my

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<v Speaker 3>were cold Kiana, they came in different colors. They are

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<v Speaker 3>very silky looking. But I bought an orange one with

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<v Speaker 3>an orange white and navy print tie with a navy suit.

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<v Speaker 3>And that night I took a picture with the then

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<v Speaker 3>Governor of New York and I brought it home and

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<v Speaker 3>I opened up. I looked at the picture, says, what

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<v Speaker 3>an idiot? I look like an idiot. I can't believe

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<v Speaker 3>I did this. I was so upset with myself, and

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<v Speaker 3>I realized right then and there, I had to change

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<v Speaker 3>my look. And I started struggling. And it went on

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<v Speaker 3>for about a week. I would never wear a colored

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<v Speaker 3>shirt again. One day I put on a navy suit,

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<v Speaker 3>white shirt, navy blue tie, black tesseled loaf for Sterling

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<v Speaker 3>silver cuff links, and a Sterling silver Rolex watch. And

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<v Speaker 3>I look in the mirror and I think, for me,

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<v Speaker 3>I look amazing. I call over my wife and I said,

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<v Speaker 3>look in the mirror, Sue, what do you see? She

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<v Speaker 3>looks at me, says you. I said, no, no, what

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<v Speaker 3>do you see? She says, help me here? I said,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you what you see. You see me looking

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<v Speaker 3>the best I possibly could look. I am never going

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<v Speaker 3>to wear anything but a navy blue suit. And for

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<v Speaker 3>twenty years I had all my suits made to order.

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<v Speaker 3>They were all navy blue. They were different ways somewhere

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<v Speaker 3>to winter, they were single breasted and double breasted. Every

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<v Speaker 3>single day for twenty years, I wore navy blue suit,

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<v Speaker 3>white shirts, Sterling silver cofflings, navy tie, black tauseil loafers,

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<v Speaker 3>and stain the steel rollers watch. And I explained that

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<v Speaker 3>when I met people who didn't know me, or we

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<v Speaker 3>hired new people to work, I'd have to take them

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<v Speaker 3>aside and say to them, listen, you're gonna see me

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<v Speaker 3>what you think is the same thing every day. And

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<v Speaker 3>I do wear a uniform. This is it that you're

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<v Speaker 3>looking at it. But I want you to know all

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<v Speaker 3>the suits are numbered, all the shoes and number, the

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<v Speaker 3>shirts and number. They're all different. But I believe I

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<v Speaker 3>look best this way, and that's what you're going to

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<v Speaker 3>see every day. But I didn't want you to think

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<v Speaker 3>I'm slovenly and I you know, and I told this story,

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<v Speaker 3>which I think is funny. After all, we all struggle

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<v Speaker 3>to look our best. We all want to look our best.

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<v Speaker 3>The show package yourself as important as the products.

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<v Speaker 2>Your package. I'm a product. I want to look the

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<v Speaker 3>I found out what I look best in and I

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to wear it every day. And the woman at

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<v Speaker 3>I'm feeling really proud, and she says to me, I

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<v Speaker 3>didn't know you were in eccentric, I said, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that good? Well, it means you're different, different in

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<v Speaker 3>a good way. And she pauses and says, you want

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<v Speaker 3>me to be honest? I said what I always would.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, no, I want you to lie to me.

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<v Speaker 3>She said, eccentric means you're strange. Now how did I

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<v Speaker 3>go from being really good looking with great hair and

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<v Speaker 3>interesting to strange in the next minute? How because I

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<v Speaker 3>opened my big mouth? Like I said earlier, talking gets

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<v Speaker 3>me in trouble. Now, I don't think I'm eccentric. In fact,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I struggled with it for many years, thinking

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<v Speaker 3>about me in the same suit every day, until one

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<v Speaker 3>day I read an article about Alblet Einstein, who wore

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<v Speaker 3>the same suit every day. I don't know if he

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<v Speaker 3>had more than one, but when asked about he said, look,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to think about clothes. I want to

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<v Speaker 3>think about relativity. And kind of made me feel good.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'll double back down on this.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a bunch of cars. I have two sports

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<v Speaker 3>cars and a bunch of SUVs, and they're all black.

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<v Speaker 3>And you would ask, why would you buy all the

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<v Speaker 3>same cars that are black? The two sports cars look

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<v Speaker 3>alike the two SUVs will look alike. Why all black,

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<v Speaker 3>I said, because it came to me one day after

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<v Speaker 3>I tried gray, I've tried white that I like black

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<v Speaker 3>best of all. Black is my favorite color in the car,

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<v Speaker 3>no matter which car I'm driving, I wanted to look

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<v Speaker 3>my favorite, which is black. You're eccentric again, I'm eccentric,

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<v Speaker 3>which got me to the other thing. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>about the rest of you. Those of you married your

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<v Speaker 3>significant other sessue what you want for dinner that night?

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<v Speaker 3>My wife at six in the morning, I'm getting dressed,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what I want for dinner. I haven't

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<v Speaker 3>to prepare? What do you want? I said, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>So every night I would have something different. And one

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<v Speaker 3>night in particular, my wife made roasted chicken. The minute

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<v Speaker 3>I walked in the house. It smelled unbelievable. I ate

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<v Speaker 3>it the way she prepared it was so delicious. The

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<v Speaker 3>chicken was falling off the bones. And at dinner, I

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<v Speaker 3>said to her, Sue, no matter what happens, don't ask

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<v Speaker 3>me what I want for dinner anymore. This is what

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<v Speaker 3>I want for dinner every night. She said, what do

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<v Speaker 3>you mean every night? I want this for dinner every

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<v Speaker 3>single night. You ever see the army and they show

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<v Speaker 3>you how a guy could take his rifle apart and

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<v Speaker 3>put it back together his eyes closed. My wife got

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<v Speaker 3>to the point where she can clean the chicken without looking.

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<v Speaker 3>She knew how to do it because every night, and

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<v Speaker 3>for five years running, I had the same thing every night,

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<v Speaker 3>roasted chicken. Now I tell this story and people think

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<v Speaker 3>I'm crazy. They'll tell me I'm eccentric. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>why I loved it.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>It got to a point at one time that I

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to lose weight. I said, you know, I want

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<v Speaker 3>to try fish. My wife made salmon three years in

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<v Speaker 3>a row, every night salmon until one day the fish

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<v Speaker 3>market where she bought the salmon didn't have salmon, so

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<v Speaker 3>she bought halibu. Two years of halibu. That's been my thing. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>if that's eccentric, I could live with it. If you're

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<v Speaker 3>using it when you tell me that I am eccentric

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<v Speaker 3>as a weapon against me, you're putting a bull's eye

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<v Speaker 3>on my back and you're telling me, here's what I

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<v Speaker 3>want to tell you, every one of us needs to

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<v Speaker 3>know what we like best. Every one of us needs

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<v Speaker 3>to know how we look best. Every one of us

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<v Speaker 3>needs to know what makes us happy. So, Jesse, you

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<v Speaker 3>could be the judge and jury. I'm gonna end this

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<v Speaker 3>segment with you. Am I or Am I not eccentric?

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<v Speaker 4>I think you are. I think you're an interesting guy.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I've never I will never meet anybody in

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<v Speaker 4>my life quite like you. You are a little weird. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>you are a little weird. Good ways, bad ways. I

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<v Speaker 4>would love for somebody to call in or somebody write

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<v Speaker 4>in and say, Jesse, you're totally off. Your dad's just

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<v Speaker 4>like everybody else. Really, I don't think, but I think

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<v Speaker 4>it's a great thing, and I think you should wear

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<v Speaker 4>it as a badge of honor. And I'm proud that

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<v Speaker 4>you're eccentric.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, thank you for that. All right, that's where we are, guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember silence is golden, and maybe no response is a

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<v Speaker 3>response Back in a minute.

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<v Speaker 5>Always in Fashion.

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<v Speaker 3>Spent a lifetime of my career building the Van usen Brand,

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<v Speaker 3>and I am so pleased that they're back with us

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<v Speaker 3>now talking about suits. Men were dressing up again, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's become cool to wear a suit. Suits can be

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<v Speaker 3>worn on multiple occasions in multiple ways. You could wear

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<v Speaker 3>a suit formally to go out at night or to

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<v Speaker 3>an event, wear a suit to the office with or

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<v Speaker 3>without a tie. If you look closely, now fashion trends,

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<v Speaker 3>suits are being worn with turtlenecks or mark next. The

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<v Speaker 3>choices are endless and every one of them looks right.

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<v Speaker 2>You could really really look the part.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe thatckaging yourself this is important, does the products

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<v Speaker 3>you package and wearing a suit is one of those

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<v Speaker 3>things that make men look their best. Venuesing invented a

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<v Speaker 3>new idea. It's called the cool flex suit. It's been

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<v Speaker 3>engineered with stretch technology, giving you the most comfortable fit

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<v Speaker 3>and mobility. It's wrinkle resistant fabric, it's cool moisture wiki.

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<v Speaker 3>It makes it perfect for all occasions. As we discussed

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<v Speaker 3>just now, this new style of looking sharp while feeling

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<v Speaker 3>cool and comfortable is amazing and I'm so excited that

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<v Speaker 3>the ven Using company is involved in this new technology

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<v Speaker 3>and is embracing the whole idea of dressing up. Let's

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<v Speaker 3>not forget Venues and Maine, it's the name with dress shirts.

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<v Speaker 3>It's only proper that the suit business follows strongly in

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<v Speaker 3>its way. You can find vanues in cool Flex men's

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<v Speaker 3>stretch suits at jcpenny are online at jcpenny dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys, they're great. You should go look at them.

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<v Speaker 3>Done A Karen began a career is one of the funest,

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<v Speaker 3>most successful, powerful women in the fashion industry. She developed

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<v Speaker 3>a collection aimed at the luxury market for women on

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<v Speaker 3>the go, women who were powerful in their workplace, women

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<v Speaker 3>who had lives that extended beyond the workplace, and her

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<v Speaker 3>clothes went from day and tonight. An extraordinary collection. But

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<v Speaker 3>the interesting thing Donna Karen had a young daughter, and

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<v Speaker 3>she had friends and they couldn't afford to buy the

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<v Speaker 3>Donna Karon collection, and Donna invented dk NY Donna Aaron,

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<v Speaker 3>New York. It's an offshoot of the Donna Karen collection.

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<v Speaker 3>The same concept a lifestyle brand. Now we talk about

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<v Speaker 3>lifestyle brands, what does that really mean? Simply what they say,

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<v Speaker 3>there are brands that follow you throughout your lifestyle. You

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<v Speaker 3>get up in the morning, you start to get dressed.

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<v Speaker 3>Donna Karen decan why as intimate apparel, as hosiery, as

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<v Speaker 3>all those products you're getting dressed for work? You get

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<v Speaker 3>accessorized shoes, handbags, and it takes you through the day.

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<v Speaker 3>The remarkable thing about DK and Y clothes for work,

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<v Speaker 3>they work.

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<v Speaker 2>Into the evening.

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<v Speaker 3>The dresses, the suits, the pants, the sweaters, the blouses,

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<v Speaker 3>extraordinary clothes at affordable prices that go from day in tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>Part of your lifestyle is active. You have weekends, you

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<v Speaker 3>have events, you participate in sports. Donna Karen's casual clothes

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<v Speaker 3>did that under the DK and Y label. A vast

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<v Speaker 3>array of casual sportswear that make women look great as

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<v Speaker 3>they navigate their busy lives. Whether you're going to soccer

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<v Speaker 3>games for your children, or whether you're going out to

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<v Speaker 3>the movies, whatever you want to do, DK and Y jeans,

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<v Speaker 3>DK and Y sportswear is there for you. That's what

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<v Speaker 3>a lifestyle brand is. And I need to mention DKY

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<v Speaker 3>active Wear, which is extraordinary, the leggings, the sports bras,

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<v Speaker 3>the sweats. You can wear DKY active Wear, certainly in

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<v Speaker 3>the gym, certainly when you're working out at home, and

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<v Speaker 3>certainly if you want on the street, because it's that

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<v Speaker 3>well done. The quality DK why is nothing short of exceptional,

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<v Speaker 3>And why shouldn't it be Because it was born from

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<v Speaker 3>the idea of luxury made affordable for women of America.

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<v Speaker 3>DK and Why a true lifestyle brand that takes you

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<v Speaker 3>from day and tonight, from the week into the weekend.

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<v Speaker 3>DCN why you can find DCNY and Macy's DKY dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to it Always in fashion. Here's your host,

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Webber.

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<v Speaker 3>We had a beautiful day this week. I said it

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<v Speaker 3>that way, a beautiful day. We've been struggling with the

485
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<v Speaker 3>weather for a long time now. We had a relatively

486
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<v Speaker 3>easy winter, but man, oh man, spring has been so disappointment.

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<v Speaker 3>And the other day it was beautiful and I ended

488
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<v Speaker 3>up sitting at a restaurant for breakfast outdoors, holding court,

489
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<v Speaker 3>looking around and being happy about the weather changing. Maybe

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<v Speaker 3>started thinking about summer things, certain things that try me crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>I've often said to you that I don't mind spending money,

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<v Speaker 3>but I hate wasting it. I had a period where

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<v Speaker 3>McDonald's diet cokes or a dollar nine, no matter what

494
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<v Speaker 3>size you brought, and I'd give the person at the

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<v Speaker 3>window the drive and a dollar ten and she wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>give me my penny back. I'd look on her, say

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<v Speaker 3>you owe me a penny, and she'd say, do you

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<v Speaker 3>want it? I said, why wouldn't I want it? Why

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<v Speaker 3>would I give it to you? She has to call

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<v Speaker 3>over a manager for approval to open the register, and

501
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<v Speaker 3>she's pissed at me. But what do I care. It's

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<v Speaker 3>my dollar, my penny. The same woman I come the

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<v Speaker 3>next day. He goes, oh, it's you again. I said, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it is. I have a question for you. If I

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<v Speaker 3>would give you a dollar eight, would you take it?

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<v Speaker 3>She said maybe, I said, because it's me, She said maybe.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm laughing at my said no, really, would you take

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<v Speaker 3>a dollar eight? She says, I might, but it's a

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<v Speaker 3>dollar nine, so why should I give you my penny?

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<v Speaker 3>What got me thinking about this? I'm sitting out at

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<v Speaker 3>an outdoor cafe having breakfast. I ordered a bagel, dry bagel,

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<v Speaker 3>and I ordered a diet coke. I'm trying them every

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<v Speaker 3>once in a while again, and I said a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of ice and what have you? And she served me

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<v Speaker 3>die coke the ice litle bottle and poured it in

516
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<v Speaker 3>went away, and I was scooping out my bagel and

517
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<v Speaker 3>drinking my diet coke. I hadn't had one in a

518
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<v Speaker 3>real long time, ever since I found out they can

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<v Speaker 3>kill you. So anyway, while I'm eating and looking around,

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<v Speaker 3>the waiter comes by and tops off my glass. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>let me tell you something. If there's one thing in

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<v Speaker 3>this life I hate more than anything as a waiter

523
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<v Speaker 3>or waitress topping off my glass. You see, there is

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<v Speaker 3>a sacred relationship between ice and liquid. Now you think

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<v Speaker 3>about it. When you get ice in a drink, is

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<v Speaker 3>it to make it lukewarm or is it to make

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<v Speaker 3>it cold? And in my view, the more ice or

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<v Speaker 3>the ice must be always above the liquid. To have

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<v Speaker 3>something that's really cold, you never order I'd like a

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<v Speaker 3>lukewarm diet coke, or lukewarm iced tea, or lukewarm soda

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<v Speaker 3>club soda. No, she topped it off, and it started

532
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<v Speaker 3>me thinking about summer thing. I will tell you the

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<v Speaker 3>best diet cokes in the world are at McDonald's, only

534
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<v Speaker 3>followed closely by the cheesecake factory. So those of you,

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<v Speaker 3>when you listen to me and think I'm a snob,

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<v Speaker 3>i am not. I'm a man of the people. But

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<v Speaker 3>here I am having breakfast, sitting out at the cafe

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<v Speaker 3>looking at people going by. Now you might wonder where

539
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<v Speaker 3>am I going with this? Well, you'll see in a minute,

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<v Speaker 3>because I've always said packaging yourself is important as the

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<v Speaker 3>products you package. And I'm watching now before I go there,

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<v Speaker 3>before I'm at this breakfast. The other night, I'm in

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<v Speaker 3>my favorite restaurant having dinner. The weather was beautiful that day.

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<v Speaker 3>I noticed in a booth next to where I'm sitting,

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<v Speaker 3>there's a young guy, good look guy and his parents

546
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<v Speaker 3>and they're talking and I'm just looking and I look

547
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<v Speaker 3>down and I see he's wearing shorts. I'll come back

548
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<v Speaker 3>to that. And he's wearing flip flops. And I said

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<v Speaker 3>to myself, I want to throw up. If there's one

550
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<v Speaker 3>thing in this world I don't want to see. I

551
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<v Speaker 3>told you what I don't want waiters to what I

552
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<v Speaker 3>don't want to see in the summer. I don't want

553
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<v Speaker 3>to see your feet. I'm not interested in you in

554
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<v Speaker 3>flip flops. I'm looking at this guy and say, what

555
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<v Speaker 3>a schmuck. Why do you think you're saying? What's this

556
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<v Speaker 3>statement you're making now? All of you who wear shorts

557
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<v Speaker 3>and all of you wear flip flops, all of you

558
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<v Speaker 3>who are saying I don't know what I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 3>All you're saying I'm an idiot.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not.

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<v Speaker 3>It is not your best look. Your feet aren't nice.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to see your legs. Nobody cares about it.

563
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<v Speaker 3>Half of you aren't tan. Even if you are, you

564
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<v Speaker 3>have ankle spots. I don't want to see it. It

565
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<v Speaker 3>drives me crazy. So here I am now sitting at

566
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<v Speaker 3>this cafe and the guy walks by, and he's wearing

567
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<v Speaker 3>shorts and flip flops. In the back of his feet

568
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<v Speaker 3>are cut like women who wear these tight shoes. I

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<v Speaker 3>have to have bandages. And again I want to throw up.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm watching, and I'm watching all these people walk by. Guys,

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<v Speaker 3>unless you're Brad Pitt, don't wear shorts. You don't look

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<v Speaker 3>good in them. It ain't your best look. But they

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<v Speaker 3>don't keep you cool. Shorts do not keep you cool.

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<v Speaker 3>You want to go and understand where we are. Let's

575
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<v Speaker 3>look at our friends in the Arabia. They wear those gowns,

576
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<v Speaker 3>they wear those things. They cover their head, they cover

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<v Speaker 3>the whole body because it keeps them cool. They're in

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<v Speaker 3>the middle of the desert. They must know something we don't.

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<v Speaker 3>I go out on the golf course, I see these guys.

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<v Speaker 3>They're wearing the shorts with the lotion on their legs.

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<v Speaker 3>The hottest can be. I'm wearing long pants and I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not hot, so it doesn't make you cool, and it

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<v Speaker 3>certainly doesn't make you look good. So I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what you're thinking about. In fact, when I watch these

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<v Speaker 3>people walking pie, I'm sitting there and saying, you know what,

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<v Speaker 3>I should have made up T shirts for all these

587
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<v Speaker 3>people walking by and selling them, and on the T

588
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<v Speaker 3>shirts print I own this T shirt. I'm a schmuck.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm wearing shorts of flip flops. I can make a

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<v Speaker 3>fortune because you all look like schmucks. My favorite story

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<v Speaker 3>of all, favorite story of all is I'm in Spain.

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<v Speaker 3>Not only am in Spain, It's Sunday. I have the

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<v Speaker 3>day off. I'm gonna be by myself and I'm going

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<v Speaker 3>to see chiz sechs is in like the riviera of Spain,

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<v Speaker 3>and I figure I'm gonna go to sea chairs and

596
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<v Speaker 3>hang out on the beach, spend the day looking at

597
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<v Speaker 3>everybody going by, hang out, get a tan, go in

598
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<v Speaker 3>the water.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>I get a call the night before Saturday night. Hey

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<v Speaker 3>market's John. Who's John, my big boss?

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<v Speaker 2>Hey John? What's up? He says?

603
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<v Speaker 3>I got a surprise for you, said, Okay, what's up?

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<v Speaker 3>He says, I'm going to meet you tomorrow on Sea Chaz.

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<v Speaker 3>So my heart drops out here. I am he's meeting me?

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<v Speaker 3>I was, yeah, and I have three other people with me.

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<v Speaker 3>So great, Hey, John, Gret, what are we doing. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll take the train with you and we'll go to

609
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<v Speaker 3>Sea Chairs. We'll have some lunch. We'll go to the beach. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>I am not a breakfast to lunch guy. When a

611
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<v Speaker 3>beach is staring in front of me, I want to

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<v Speaker 3>get out there. If anything, I'll have a drink. I'll

613
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<v Speaker 3>bring it to the beach on life. So you get

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<v Speaker 3>to Sea Chairs, me and four other people and John

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<v Speaker 3>the boss, and John says to me, all right, let's

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<v Speaker 3>all have lunch.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>Why does he want to have lunch? Because he's an

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<v Speaker 3>experienced guy. He wants the experience of sitting on the

620
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<v Speaker 3>Spanish Riviera, eating outdoors, looking out at the sand, looking

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<v Speaker 3>out at the ocean, drinking abouttle wine, getting s faced

622
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<v Speaker 3>a little drunk. He's always drinking. He had a bad

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<v Speaker 3>drinking problem. He wants to be drunk looking out at

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<v Speaker 3>the beach. And I say, we get there, right, We

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00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:45.079
<v Speaker 3>all go towards the rest and I say, listen, guys,

626
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:46.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to go to the beach. I'll see you

627
00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:49.240
<v Speaker 3>when you're done. And he looks at me. He says,

628
00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:52.279
<v Speaker 3>you're not going to the beach. I said, I beg

629
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:54.559
<v Speaker 3>your pardon. He said, we're all having lunch. I said,

630
00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:56.680
<v Speaker 3>but I don't want to have a lunch. He said, Mark,

631
00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:59.400
<v Speaker 3>you're having lunch. I said, I'm not having lunch. And

632
00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:01.680
<v Speaker 3>he looks at me and he says, if you don't

633
00:32:01.680 --> 00:32:04.079
<v Speaker 3>have lunch with us, you don't work for the company anymore.

634
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:08.440
<v Speaker 3>You believe this. And I'm saying to myself, f me, Now,

635
00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:10.599
<v Speaker 3>why am I telling you the story in the middle

636
00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:14.720
<v Speaker 3>of all this. Why because John is wearing shorts and

637
00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:19.000
<v Speaker 3>a Hawaiian shirt and sandals with black socks. You want

638
00:32:19.000 --> 00:32:21.119
<v Speaker 3>to talk about a schmuck or a nerd, that's what

639
00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:23.920
<v Speaker 3>he looks like. And he forced me and everybody else

640
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:26.160
<v Speaker 3>to sit there and have lunch for two hours while

641
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:28.640
<v Speaker 3>he got drunk on wine. I sipped a little. I

642
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:31.920
<v Speaker 3>must admit it was good Spanish wine, very good. But

643
00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:34.079
<v Speaker 3>here's the way the story gets interesting, and it's about

644
00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:37.960
<v Speaker 3>human nature. After two hours of this, we watched him

645
00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:40.680
<v Speaker 3>stumble across the beach. He puts two towels down on

646
00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:44.680
<v Speaker 3>the floor, lies down face first, passes out in the sun.

647
00:32:45.640 --> 00:32:49.519
<v Speaker 2>I let him bake. I let him bake.

648
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:51.960
<v Speaker 3>So he had that tan on his legs from the

649
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:54.599
<v Speaker 3>top of his black socks to the shorts and he

650
00:32:54.680 --> 00:32:56.920
<v Speaker 3>was in pain. The point is, you want to be

651
00:32:56.960 --> 00:33:00.319
<v Speaker 3>a schmuck, do it by yourself. Don't make me part

652
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:02.759
<v Speaker 3>into it. And John, if you would have made no

653
00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:05.880
<v Speaker 3>response rather than a response, this would have been fine.

654
00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:07.839
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes you have to let people do what they want

655
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:10.200
<v Speaker 3>to do. Have another story to tell you. It has

656
00:33:10.279 --> 00:33:13.480
<v Speaker 3>to do with business and shoes. Actually, back in the day,

657
00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:17.000
<v Speaker 3>I was senior vice president of sportswear for van Usen

658
00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:19.880
<v Speaker 3>and I had a great life at that time because

659
00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:23.559
<v Speaker 3>the corporate vision was still in the twelve ninety sixth Avenue,

660
00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:26.839
<v Speaker 3>the corporate headquarters, and we had just bought the Izard Company,

661
00:33:26.880 --> 00:33:29.160
<v Speaker 3>and my job was to run Izard and the rest

662
00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:31.240
<v Speaker 3>of the sports were companies and were a separate off

663
00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:33.720
<v Speaker 3>site building. It was the coolest place in the world.

664
00:33:33.759 --> 00:33:36.839
<v Speaker 3>It was like animal house. I was the senior most executive.

665
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:40.079
<v Speaker 3>We all pumped, We're all excited. We loved the brand.

666
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:42.519
<v Speaker 3>We loved the turnaround that needed to take place. We

667
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:45.359
<v Speaker 3>loved the responsibility, and nobody was there to tell us

668
00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:48.640
<v Speaker 3>what to do. We had a great time. It was nuts.

669
00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:51.279
<v Speaker 3>I was more like one of those crazy guys in

670
00:33:51.319 --> 00:33:53.079
<v Speaker 3>Animal House than a corporate executive.

671
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:53.559
<v Speaker 2>At the time.

672
00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:56.599
<v Speaker 3>This was our building. We were winning, we were rocking,

673
00:33:56.720 --> 00:33:59.640
<v Speaker 3>we were making money. We're doing everything corporation, having a

674
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:02.400
<v Speaker 3>great time. I get a call one day by my

675
00:34:02.480 --> 00:34:05.039
<v Speaker 3>boss at the time. He says, Mark, his assistant. Her

676
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:08.159
<v Speaker 3>name was Lucien Watt. Why do I remember everyone's name?

677
00:34:08.239 --> 00:34:08.639
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

678
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:11.480
<v Speaker 3>Lucien gets on the phone, Mark, you have to come

679
00:34:11.519 --> 00:34:13.559
<v Speaker 3>up to the building at ten o'clock. We're having a meeting.

680
00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:15.440
<v Speaker 3>I said, but I'm down here. Says we need you

681
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:15.880
<v Speaker 3>up here.

682
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:17.079
<v Speaker 2>So I go there.

683
00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:19.679
<v Speaker 3>I get there at ten o'clock that day and I

684
00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:23.239
<v Speaker 3>walk into the boardroom and everybody in the boardroom is depressed.

685
00:34:23.719 --> 00:34:25.559
<v Speaker 3>And I walk and I look at them all and said,

686
00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:28.679
<v Speaker 3>you know, i'd tell you you'll look depressed, but I'll

687
00:34:28.719 --> 00:34:30.360
<v Speaker 3>tell you what, every time I'm here, you.

688
00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:31.840
<v Speaker 2>All look like this. Get a life.

689
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:34.480
<v Speaker 3>And my boss says to me, he says, Mark, shut

690
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:37.000
<v Speaker 3>the f up and sit down. I look at him

691
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:38.519
<v Speaker 3>and said, why, what's going on?

692
00:34:38.599 --> 00:34:40.039
<v Speaker 2>He said, sit down?

693
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:44.400
<v Speaker 3>So I sit down and he looks around the room

694
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:49.360
<v Speaker 3>and he says, look, Mark, we have a problem with

695
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:51.960
<v Speaker 3>our shoe company. At the time, we own Ghpas shoes.

696
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:54.800
<v Speaker 3>Great Shoes are still a great company. My title sponsored

697
00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:57.360
<v Speaker 3>G three owned Spare shoes. They're doing great. But at

698
00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:00.280
<v Speaker 3>this point in time, he starts to say, we had

699
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:02.800
<v Speaker 3>a plan to make fifteen million dollars this year in

700
00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:05.639
<v Speaker 3>gh Bath and it looks like we may lose ten.

701
00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:09.320
<v Speaker 3>So what says there's a lot of problems and messed up.

702
00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:13.400
<v Speaker 3>We're in trouble. So I'm looking around the groom. I said, okay,

703
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:16.639
<v Speaker 3>now I'm glad I'm here. You want my opinion, He said,

704
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:18.679
<v Speaker 3>that's why we brought you here. This is here's what

705
00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:21.920
<v Speaker 3>we should do. We should all be on a plane

706
00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:26.519
<v Speaker 3>Monday morning, go to Portland, Maine, check into the Marriotta

707
00:35:26.519 --> 00:35:29.280
<v Speaker 3>Hotel next to the Bass office in Portland, Maine, and

708
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:32.679
<v Speaker 3>not leave until we fix what's wrong. He said, that's

709
00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:34.320
<v Speaker 3>exactly what you're gonna do.

710
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:34.719
<v Speaker 2>Mark.

711
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:37.280
<v Speaker 3>He starts to look at me and laugh. I said,

712
00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:40.679
<v Speaker 3>what he says, that's what you're gonna do. I'm gonna

713
00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:43.039
<v Speaker 3>go to Maine by myself. No, You're going to go

714
00:35:43.079 --> 00:35:45.599
<v Speaker 3>to Maine to help Michael. Michael is another guy in

715
00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:48.039
<v Speaker 3>the company that we're gonna name him temporary CEO of

716
00:35:48.079 --> 00:35:50.159
<v Speaker 3>the company, and I was going to go to help him.

717
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:52.400
<v Speaker 3>I said, what does he need be for? We need

718
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:54.320
<v Speaker 3>your mark. We want you to look at the product.

719
00:35:54.320 --> 00:35:56.639
<v Speaker 3>We want you to look at them the marketing. We

720
00:35:56.679 --> 00:35:59.639
<v Speaker 3>want you to help Michael get this place on track

721
00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:02.639
<v Speaker 3>again to building. Michael's a great financial eye, a good

722
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:04.880
<v Speaker 3>operations guy. We know what you could do. We need

723
00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:07.000
<v Speaker 3>you to help him. So I'm going to report to him.

724
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:10.480
<v Speaker 3>So I everybody, I'll be back in a minute. Takes

725
00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:12.639
<v Speaker 3>me into his office. He points his figure into his

726
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:15.000
<v Speaker 3>face and he said, I told you you're going to

727
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:17.239
<v Speaker 3>be the president of this corporation in a couple of months,

728
00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:19.719
<v Speaker 3>and I told you to behave, So just behave. Do

729
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:22.239
<v Speaker 3>what I need the board needs us do it. I said, okay,

730
00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:25.440
<v Speaker 3>So I end up going to Maine. Get on the

731
00:36:25.440 --> 00:36:27.840
<v Speaker 3>plane Monday morning, I meet Michael and Maine he's in

732
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:28.440
<v Speaker 3>the office.

733
00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:31.480
<v Speaker 2>I have a cubby hole. Anyway, I'm there to help him, and.

734
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:34.000
<v Speaker 3>We start out and he said, look, why don't you

735
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:36.400
<v Speaker 3>take a look at what they're doing. If you ask

736
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:39.159
<v Speaker 3>me what's selling, I can tell you pretty much. Nothing selling.

737
00:36:39.480 --> 00:36:41.480
<v Speaker 3>We have a problem. We need to go in and

738
00:36:41.480 --> 00:36:43.079
<v Speaker 3>look at it. So I go in and I meet

739
00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:46.360
<v Speaker 3>with the management team and shoes first, that's where the

740
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:50.599
<v Speaker 3>big opportunity always has, best shoes, best footwear. I meet

741
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:52.920
<v Speaker 3>with the women's group and I look at all the

742
00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:57.119
<v Speaker 3>shoes there, and nothing's exciting me. You know, women's shoes.

743
00:36:57.159 --> 00:37:00.000
<v Speaker 3>I've never worn them, of course, but I could appreciate them.

744
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:01.920
<v Speaker 2>You know. I found out when I.

745
00:37:01.880 --> 00:37:04.519
<v Speaker 3>Was in the Goodman's business at decan Y that you're

746
00:37:04.519 --> 00:37:06.800
<v Speaker 3>allowed to use the word sexy, you're allowed to use

747
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:08.599
<v Speaker 3>the word hot. They all do it. That's what they're

748
00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:10.960
<v Speaker 3>trying to create. So I didn't know that. Then in

749
00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:14.239
<v Speaker 3>Bass I was Camfitable and I said, and I looked

750
00:37:14.239 --> 00:37:16.800
<v Speaker 3>at them, and I said, these are not what's really

751
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:19.719
<v Speaker 3>happening in women's shoes. How do you know, Mark, I said,

752
00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:23.480
<v Speaker 3>I look at women, don't you Everybody looks at everybody.

753
00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:24.920
<v Speaker 3>I look at the man, I look at women. This

754
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:27.719
<v Speaker 3>is not happening these shoes. There's too many penny loaf

755
00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:31.039
<v Speaker 3>as women are wearing Penny Loaves. They're wearing those pumps

756
00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:35.079
<v Speaker 3>that make clock every time you wear They were cold Well,

757
00:37:35.079 --> 00:37:36.519
<v Speaker 3>I don't want to say what they were called, but

758
00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:37.960
<v Speaker 3>they were all wearing these pumps and I said, you

759
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:40.039
<v Speaker 3>have none of them. They say to me, that's not Bath.

760
00:37:41.199 --> 00:37:44.639
<v Speaker 3>I said to them, how could this possibly be? Every

761
00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:47.360
<v Speaker 3>woman in the world is wearing this trend and you're

762
00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:49.760
<v Speaker 3>telling me not Bath. Can't there be a version of

763
00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:52.239
<v Speaker 3>it that's not Bath? So I left the women's team

764
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:56.159
<v Speaker 3>to themselves and I said, woodheads. And but before I left,

765
00:37:56.199 --> 00:37:59.239
<v Speaker 3>and I said, you know, if I put a slogan

766
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:01.679
<v Speaker 3>on the Bath, this women's footwear line, you know what

767
00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:05.039
<v Speaker 3>I give it bass shoes for women who don't shave

768
00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:05.679
<v Speaker 3>their legs.

769
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:07.039
<v Speaker 2>I walked out.

770
00:38:07.199 --> 00:38:08.880
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how many people were pissed at Babe.

771
00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:12.280
<v Speaker 3>I walked out. I walked into the men's group. Same thing.

772
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:15.440
<v Speaker 3>All Penny Loaf was all tired, and at the time,

773
00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:18.679
<v Speaker 3>Kenneth Coal was hot as a pistol. I don't know

774
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:21.079
<v Speaker 3>where Kenneth Cole is right now, but when Kenneth Cold

775
00:38:21.239 --> 00:38:24.920
<v Speaker 3>was Kenneth Coal, his shoes were on fire. What they

776
00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:30.400
<v Speaker 3>did is they took modern black shoes and made them

777
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:32.719
<v Speaker 3>wearable for at night with your sports. You go on

778
00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:35.000
<v Speaker 3>a night black pants, black shoes. They were great shoes.

779
00:38:35.119 --> 00:38:37.360
<v Speaker 3>They were dress shoes, but they had more style than

780
00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:39.519
<v Speaker 3>anyone else's. And if you wore them in the day

781
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:41.559
<v Speaker 3>with a black out for the jeans, they looked great.

782
00:38:41.800 --> 00:38:44.440
<v Speaker 3>Kenneth Cole owned the look. The only other person of

783
00:38:44.480 --> 00:38:47.960
<v Speaker 3>any consequence was I forgot. They were called don't hold

784
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:50.320
<v Speaker 3>me to it. But there was no industrial looking boots,

785
00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:52.760
<v Speaker 3>and everyone was wearing them, and I looked, wear are

786
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:55.000
<v Speaker 3>your boots that's not for us? Wear your black shoes

787
00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:57.719
<v Speaker 3>not for us? Were bess And I looked at them

788
00:38:57.800 --> 00:39:01.960
<v Speaker 3>and I said, listen, I'm watching it listening. Do you

789
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:05.199
<v Speaker 3>do you want to be the last company making buggy

790
00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:06.880
<v Speaker 3>whips for horse and chariots.

791
00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:08.679
<v Speaker 2>You can't just stick.

792
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:10.719
<v Speaker 3>You gotta find a way to do this on your own.

793
00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:13.679
<v Speaker 3>But I failed miserably. But before I left, I said,

794
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:16.159
<v Speaker 3>we're gonna have another meeting later. I went back to

795
00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:19.199
<v Speaker 3>them later and said, here's what we're gonna do. You're

796
00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:22.079
<v Speaker 3>gonna do what you wanna do, and I'm gonna do

797
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:24.360
<v Speaker 3>what I want to do, and we're gonna put it together.

798
00:39:24.800 --> 00:39:27.559
<v Speaker 3>There's a scene In the movie Days of Thunder, Robert

799
00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:30.440
<v Speaker 3>Duval is the engineer. He builds the race cars. Tom

800
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:33.079
<v Speaker 3>Cruise drives him. He just becomes a race car driver

801
00:39:33.159 --> 00:39:35.440
<v Speaker 3>and they can't win. And every time they race, they

802
00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:38.079
<v Speaker 3>can't or practice, they can't get to finish the race

803
00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:40.960
<v Speaker 3>because they wear out the tires. Robert Duval says to

804
00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:43.480
<v Speaker 3>him at one point, he's advised, you gotta talk to

805
00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:45.599
<v Speaker 3>him like an equal, don't talk down to him. He says,

806
00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:48.440
<v Speaker 3>I'll tell you what I'd like to do. Why don't

807
00:39:48.440 --> 00:39:52.039
<v Speaker 3>we do this first, We'll run the race. You race

808
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:54.480
<v Speaker 3>any way you want. We're gonna have the same tires

809
00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:57.039
<v Speaker 3>you race. Tom Cruise comes back to tires oral run,

810
00:39:57.320 --> 00:40:00.159
<v Speaker 3>he can't race his speed. Robert Davals says, now, now

811
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:02.280
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to work with you while you're racing. Tell

812
00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:04.239
<v Speaker 3>you when to make the turns, how to do there.

813
00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:07.679
<v Speaker 3>It comes back Robert de Vell's tires are perfect condition,

814
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:10.079
<v Speaker 3>and he pats the tires and he goes your way,

815
00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:12.360
<v Speaker 3>my way. I did that with the best people. Listen,

816
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:14.199
<v Speaker 3>you have your idea, I have mine. We're going to

817
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:16.239
<v Speaker 3>work together. Here's what we're going to do. I want you

818
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:19.280
<v Speaker 3>to create five rows of shoes for men. The first

819
00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:22.519
<v Speaker 3>row is going to be the most avant garde black

820
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:26.360
<v Speaker 3>shoes you're gonna I'll do Kenneth Cole in modernization of

821
00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:29.679
<v Speaker 3>men's shoes. Well, the second row is going to be

822
00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:33.440
<v Speaker 3>moderated to look like Kenneth Cole, but with your style,

823
00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:37.079
<v Speaker 3>but they're also black. The third row is going to

824
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:40.880
<v Speaker 3>be bass. Let me see what you think if Bess

825
00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:43.400
<v Speaker 3>was in the dress shoe business, what it would look like.

826
00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:46.599
<v Speaker 3>And of course the next few rows will be your

827
00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:49.840
<v Speaker 3>traditional bass shoes, but you'll do them in black Norwegians

828
00:40:49.880 --> 00:40:53.360
<v Speaker 3>the Penny loves whatever. I left them and went out,

829
00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:55.079
<v Speaker 3>and I said, I'll be back in a week. I

830
00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:57.079
<v Speaker 3>want to see this, even if you have to go

831
00:40:57.119 --> 00:40:59.880
<v Speaker 3>out and buy storebus shoes, go buy shoes from Italy. Go.

832
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<v Speaker 3>I want to see what those rows will look like,

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<v Speaker 3>and I want the line to be crafted that way.

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<v Speaker 3>So I go back to the head of design in

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<v Speaker 3>womenswear and I said, where are you next week?

836
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<v Speaker 2>I said Monday. I'm in New York.

837
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<v Speaker 3>I said, I'm going to be in our offices two

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<v Speaker 3>hundred Madison Avenue on Monday. I need you to come

839
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<v Speaker 3>see me. This is why I said, I want to

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<v Speaker 3>talk to you about fashion. He says, okay, I'll see

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<v Speaker 3>you Monday morning. What time you want me? I want

842
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<v Speaker 3>you eleven o'clock. Comes by eleven o'clock. I said, hey, Soal,

843
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<v Speaker 3>I'm glad you're here. We're going on a road trip.

844
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<v Speaker 3>Where are we going? I said, First, I want to

845
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<v Speaker 3>tell you what.

846
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<v Speaker 2>We're going to do.

847
00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:35.599
<v Speaker 3>I need you to get a pen and paper. I said, okay,

848
00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:37.199
<v Speaker 3>what I need for? I said, we're going to make

849
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<v Speaker 3>some notes. You know how you count one to five

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<v Speaker 3>and then you put a slash through it. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>you know stick lines, You do one, two, three, four

852
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<v Speaker 3>and put a slash through five. We're going to keep count.

853
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<v Speaker 3>We're going on a road trip. Crick, where are we going?

854
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<v Speaker 3>Come with me. I get in the elevator with him again.

855
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<v Speaker 3>He says, where were going on a road trip? He

856
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<v Speaker 3>said to the corner, He liokten, what do you mean?

857
00:41:57.480 --> 00:41:59.400
<v Speaker 3>I said, here's what we're going to do. Get out

858
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<v Speaker 3>of the building on the corner. I said, you and

859
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<v Speaker 3>I got to stand there. You have your pen and paper.

860
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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to ask you to be the scribed. I said,

861
00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:10.639
<v Speaker 3>we're gonna watch the women walk by now and here's

862
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:13.320
<v Speaker 3>what we're gonna do. Every woman who comes by with

863
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:15.719
<v Speaker 3>those sexy shoes that are opening the back and are

864
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<v Speaker 3>flopping every time she walks, we're gonna put a stick mark,

865
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<v Speaker 3>and we're gonna count how many of them there are.

866
00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:22.960
<v Speaker 3>And I'm gonna keep count of all the women wearing

867
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<v Speaker 3>penny loafers and the shoes that you don't need to

868
00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:29.280
<v Speaker 3>shave your legs for. He says, you're kidding me. You

869
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:31.079
<v Speaker 3>called me here for that. I said, yeah, I'm gonna

870
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:33.239
<v Speaker 3>make a point to you. So we're standing on the

871
00:42:33.280 --> 00:42:37.239
<v Speaker 3>corner and all the women are clacking, clacking, clacking, clacking.

872
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:41.639
<v Speaker 3>Everyone's wearing stylish shoes. Everyone's wearing these sexy shoes, every

873
00:42:41.639 --> 00:42:44.119
<v Speaker 3>one of the women are wearing, and there's nobody wearing

874
00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:46.320
<v Speaker 3>penny loavers. The end of I don't know a half hour,

875
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:49.320
<v Speaker 3>there's fifty of those checkmoks on his page and two

876
00:42:49.360 --> 00:42:51.719
<v Speaker 3>on mine. I said, I want to make a point

877
00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:55.199
<v Speaker 3>to you. It's too easy to say no, the world

878
00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:58.239
<v Speaker 3>is changing. You've got one of the world's great brands.

879
00:42:58.599 --> 00:43:02.440
<v Speaker 3>Bess put the shoes on. Admiral Birdwin navigated the North Pole.

880
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:06.119
<v Speaker 3>Charles Lindbergh wore best boots when he flew the planes.

881
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:10.400
<v Speaker 3>We have his history, and you're telling me you can't

882
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:13.159
<v Speaker 3>be bess. We have to take on women's shoes, modernized

883
00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:15.719
<v Speaker 3>and make them current, make them exciting, but do it

884
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<v Speaker 3>in the best way. You have a special label, you

885
00:43:18.280 --> 00:43:20.760
<v Speaker 3>have a special stitching, you have a special technique, you

886
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:22.679
<v Speaker 3>have a certain kind of leather. I'm not a post

887
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:24.840
<v Speaker 3>any of that, but I want to make shoes for

888
00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:28.840
<v Speaker 3>women that are current and trendy. Fast forward a week later,

889
00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:31.280
<v Speaker 3>I came back and saw the men's I was out

890
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:34.800
<v Speaker 3>I was outraged. How great it was when you gave

891
00:43:34.840 --> 00:43:36.920
<v Speaker 3>people directions and told them this is what you do,

892
00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:38.760
<v Speaker 3>and I had the authority to make them do it.

893
00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:41.079
<v Speaker 3>There was no question that they were there and I

894
00:43:41.199 --> 00:43:44.440
<v Speaker 3>was the boss. There's no question. The CEO, Michael gave

895
00:43:44.480 --> 00:43:46.760
<v Speaker 3>me his authority to do what needed to be done

896
00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:50.400
<v Speaker 3>to get this and they had him and they over

897
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:53.440
<v Speaker 3>delivered on what we saw. A week later, the women's

898
00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:57.719
<v Speaker 3>team came back with flip flop shoes. Women wear shoes, clocking.

899
00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:00.360
<v Speaker 3>The women are wearing nich shoes, were shaving their legs.

900
00:44:00.639 --> 00:44:03.599
<v Speaker 3>These were looking great. This was a great thing, and

901
00:44:03.719 --> 00:44:08.440
<v Speaker 3>everybody got energized everyone got excited. Everyone got on board

902
00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:12.360
<v Speaker 3>to revitalize the besque company that wasn't making money into

903
00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:15.280
<v Speaker 3>a winning company again. And it wasn't all that hard.

904
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:20.119
<v Speaker 3>It was the wisdom to do what's right, be current

905
00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:23.480
<v Speaker 3>for the one thing we know about this industry detail

906
00:44:23.559 --> 00:44:28.480
<v Speaker 3>luxury fashion. It changes, you have to change. Six months later,

907
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:33.719
<v Speaker 3>we call a meeting Saturday night for all the executives

908
00:44:33.760 --> 00:44:36.519
<v Speaker 3>in BASS and the senior most executives in the company,

909
00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:38.920
<v Speaker 3>including the board of directors, if they can come with

910
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:42.159
<v Speaker 3>their spouses. We had six hundred people in a ballroom

911
00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:45.440
<v Speaker 3>in Portland, Maine, come to see the presentation of a

912
00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:49.559
<v Speaker 3>new basque company and it was extraordinary. We had photography

913
00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:52.440
<v Speaker 3>the show with the advertising we look, We had the shoes,

914
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:54.760
<v Speaker 3>We had them on tables, we had pictures of them

915
00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:57.320
<v Speaker 3>that would blow them up on the screen. Everything was

916
00:44:57.400 --> 00:45:00.280
<v Speaker 3>laid out. Men at work with the fashion shoes, men

917
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:02.960
<v Speaker 3>women at work with the fashion shoes for women. Each

918
00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:06.199
<v Speaker 3>one the industrial have boots and everyone had a bass flare.

919
00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:11.199
<v Speaker 3>And it was one of the most exciting nights for

920
00:45:11.360 --> 00:45:14.920
<v Speaker 3>me in my career. Not because we were successful in

921
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:19.440
<v Speaker 3>creating energy, not because I was the host of the

922
00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:22.840
<v Speaker 3>evening and I did a lot of the talking, but

923
00:45:22.960 --> 00:45:26.280
<v Speaker 3>during the presentation, the CEO of the company, my friend

924
00:45:27.320 --> 00:45:30.159
<v Speaker 3>handed me a piece of paper. He always wrote in

925
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:34.559
<v Speaker 3>reading and honored written in reading. He wrote, while I'm

926
00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:39.360
<v Speaker 3>on the stage, this is your finest hour. I've never

927
00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:44.360
<v Speaker 3>been more proud of you. You gave credit to everyone else,

928
00:45:44.920 --> 00:45:49.440
<v Speaker 3>and the only person you didn't mention was yourself, and

929
00:45:49.519 --> 00:45:54.559
<v Speaker 3>because of that the credit goes to you. Thank you, BJK,

930
00:45:55.519 --> 00:45:59.199
<v Speaker 3>great night, great story. I didn't have anything to say.

931
00:45:59.239 --> 00:46:02.679
<v Speaker 3>I was speechless, and probably that was best, because sometimes

932
00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:06.599
<v Speaker 3>no response is the best response. Take a break back

933
00:46:06.639 --> 00:46:07.559
<v Speaker 3>in a minute.

934
00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:10.679
<v Speaker 2>Always in fashion.

935
00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:13.880
<v Speaker 3>Donna Karen began her career as one of the finest,

936
00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:19.440
<v Speaker 3>most successful, powerful women in the fashion industry. She developed

937
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:23.280
<v Speaker 3>a collection aimed at the luxury market for women on

938
00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:26.239
<v Speaker 3>the go, women who were powerful in their workplace, women

939
00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:29.280
<v Speaker 3>who had lives that extended beyond the workplace, and her

940
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:33.199
<v Speaker 3>clothes went from day and to night. An extraordinary collection.

941
00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:36.559
<v Speaker 3>But the interesting thing Donna Karen had a young daughter,

942
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:38.840
<v Speaker 3>and she had friends, and they couldn't afford to buy

943
00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:43.320
<v Speaker 3>the Donna Karen collection, and Donna invented DKNY. Donna Aaron,

944
00:46:43.360 --> 00:46:46.280
<v Speaker 3>New York. It's an offshoot of the Donna Karen collection.

945
00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:49.760
<v Speaker 3>The same concept a lifestyle brand. Now we talk about

946
00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:53.119
<v Speaker 3>lifestyle brands, what does that really mean? Simply what they say,

947
00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:56.480
<v Speaker 3>there are brands that follow you throughout your lifestyle. You

948
00:46:56.519 --> 00:46:58.360
<v Speaker 3>get up in the morning, you start to get dressed

949
00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:01.719
<v Speaker 3>Donna Karen decan why as in mid apparel, as hosiery,

950
00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:04.960
<v Speaker 3>as all those products. You're getting dressed for work. You

951
00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:08.599
<v Speaker 3>get accessorized shoes, handbags, and it takes you through the day.

952
00:47:08.880 --> 00:47:11.599
<v Speaker 3>The remarkable thing about DK and Y clothes for work,

953
00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:15.800
<v Speaker 3>they work into the evening. The dresses, the suits, the pants,

954
00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:21.400
<v Speaker 3>the sweaters, the blouses, extraordinary clothes at affordable prices that

955
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<v Speaker 3>go from day in tonight. Part of your lifestyle is active.

956
00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:28.880
<v Speaker 3>You have weekends, you have events, you participate in sports.

957
00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:32.719
<v Speaker 3>Donna Karen's casual clothes did that under the DK and

958
00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:36.679
<v Speaker 3>Y label. A vast array of casual sportswear that make

959
00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:41.519
<v Speaker 3>women look great as they navigate their busy lives. Whether

960
00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:43.920
<v Speaker 3>you're going to soccer games for your children, or whether

961
00:47:44.000 --> 00:47:46.840
<v Speaker 3>you're going out to the movies, whatever you want to do,

962
00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:51.760
<v Speaker 3>dkn Y Jeans, dc Y sportswear is there for you.

963
00:47:52.039 --> 00:47:55.119
<v Speaker 3>That's what a lifestyle brand is. I need to mention

964
00:47:55.519 --> 00:48:00.280
<v Speaker 3>DKY active Wear, which is extraordinary, the leggings, the sports bras,

965
00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:06.360
<v Speaker 3>the sweats. You can wear DKY activewear certainly in the gym,

966
00:48:06.519 --> 00:48:09.199
<v Speaker 3>certainly when you're working out at home, and certainly if

967
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:12.440
<v Speaker 3>you want on the street, because it's that well done.

968
00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:15.480
<v Speaker 3>The quality of DKY is nothing short of exceptional. And

969
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:18.079
<v Speaker 3>why shouldn't it be because it was born from the

970
00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:23.280
<v Speaker 3>idea of luxury made affordable for women of America. DK

971
00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:27.000
<v Speaker 3>and why a true lifestyle brand that takes you from

972
00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:30.960
<v Speaker 3>day and tonight, from the week into the weekend DCN.

973
00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:36.320
<v Speaker 3>Why you can find DCNY and Macy's DKY dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>As one of the world's most celebrated fashion designers, car

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00:48:39.639 --> 00:48:43.280
<v Speaker 3>Lagafeld was renowned for his aspirational and cutting edge approach

976
00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:46.760
<v Speaker 3>to style. His unique vision of Parisian shit comes to

977
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:52.159
<v Speaker 3>America through car Lagefeld Paris. He has women's collections, men's collections,

978
00:48:52.239 --> 00:48:55.559
<v Speaker 3>ready to wear, accessory, shoes and bags. The fashion house

979
00:48:55.599 --> 00:48:59.800
<v Speaker 3>Carlagafeld also offers a range of watches, eyewear, and premium fragrances.

980
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:04.559
<v Speaker 3>You can explore the Carlagofil collection at carlagofelpowers dot com.

981
00:49:05.079 --> 00:49:08.079
<v Speaker 3>But it's more than that. I for one, love to shop.

982
00:49:08.639 --> 00:49:11.000
<v Speaker 3>I love going around and seeing what's happening and what

983
00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:14.239
<v Speaker 3>catches my attention, what would make me feel good to

984
00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:17.159
<v Speaker 3>wear now. I don't wear the women's wear obviously, but

985
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:20.320
<v Speaker 3>I can appreciate it, and they look amazing. If you

986
00:49:20.360 --> 00:49:22.360
<v Speaker 3>want to look right, you want to have clothes that

987
00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:25.119
<v Speaker 3>fits you well. You want to look like you're wearing

988
00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:30.239
<v Speaker 3>something that's very expensive, that's exclusive for you and yours.

989
00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:33.920
<v Speaker 3>You can find it at very affordable prices at Macy's

990
00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:37.760
<v Speaker 3>orcarlagofel dot com. Paris, the women's ready to wear fashion

991
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:40.360
<v Speaker 3>is extraordinary, as well as the handbigs and the shoes.

992
00:49:40.960 --> 00:49:45.000
<v Speaker 3>I for one, wear men's clothes unlike my appreciation of

993
00:49:45.039 --> 00:49:48.840
<v Speaker 3>women's clothes. I'm a modern guy. I want to look current.

994
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:50.840
<v Speaker 3>I want to look the way I want to feel.

995
00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:53.480
<v Speaker 3>I go out at night, I'm in black and carlagofel

996
00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:56.679
<v Speaker 3>is My buddy calls are great. They fit great, and

997
00:49:56.719 --> 00:49:59.000
<v Speaker 3>they have little tweaks and touches, whether it's a stripe

998
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:01.159
<v Speaker 3>on the sleeve or button that the neck or on

999
00:50:01.199 --> 00:50:03.760
<v Speaker 3>the shoulder. There's a lot of details that go into

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<v Speaker 3>Carl Lagafel because he's always been He always had been

1001
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:10.320
<v Speaker 3>one of the world's great designers, and this legacy and

1002
00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:13.159
<v Speaker 3>goes on and on. I can't speak enough about it

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<v Speaker 3>except to say to you, you want to feel good

1004
00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:17.679
<v Speaker 3>about yourself. You want to know that you're dressing properly.

1005
00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:21.079
<v Speaker 3>You want to clothes that fits you well. Carl Lagafeld

1006
00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:25.559
<v Speaker 3>Paris at Macy's Orcarlagafel dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to it Always in Fashion.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's your host, Mark Webber.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been thinking about character. I've been thinking about the

1010
00:50:34.079 --> 00:50:38.119
<v Speaker 3>night's show. Is no response is a response. Someone comes

1011
00:50:38.119 --> 00:50:40.320
<v Speaker 3>to me and answer your question. I don't feel like answering.

1012
00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:43.559
<v Speaker 3>That tells a big signal. Sometimes somebody asks you to

1013
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<v Speaker 3>do something, taking a moment to think about it, or

1014
00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:50.599
<v Speaker 3>pregnant pores is a big deal. Sometimes coming to you

1015
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<v Speaker 3>and saying I need an answer right now, and you

1016
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<v Speaker 3>say to someone the answer is if you need it

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<v Speaker 3>right now. No, I deserve the right to think. I

1018
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<v Speaker 3>deserve the right to make decisions in my own time,

1019
00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:03.119
<v Speaker 3>my own pace. So I've been thinking a lot about

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<v Speaker 3>the response to questions answers, because no response is a response.

1021
00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:12.159
<v Speaker 3>But I've been thinking about character. I was accused of

1022
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<v Speaker 3>being an eccentric, for which I was always proud to

1023
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:19.440
<v Speaker 3>be different, and every one of us is different. We're

1024
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<v Speaker 3>all allowed to be ourselves. We're allowed to think the

1025
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<v Speaker 3>way we want to think, dressed the way we want

1026
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<v Speaker 3>to think, speak the way they want to think. The

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<v Speaker 3>common bond is you have to know who you are

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00:51:28.559 --> 00:51:31.719
<v Speaker 3>and know who you are. You have to be responsible

1029
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<v Speaker 3>to yourself, because the theme of this show has always been,

1030
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<v Speaker 3>and it will always be, packaging yourself is as important

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<v Speaker 3>as the products you package, and therefore, knowing who you

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<v Speaker 3>are and what you're doing and caring about who you are.

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<v Speaker 3>There's ways to say things, there's ways not to say things.

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<v Speaker 3>You're entitled to your own counsel. I've often thought, what

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<v Speaker 3>is character? People challenge the way I behave. I know

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<v Speaker 3>I feel good about myself. I know I do the

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<v Speaker 3>right thing. I know what honesty. It's doing the right

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<v Speaker 3>thing when no one's looking. I know about integrity. I've

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<v Speaker 3>wrote about it in my book Pearls of Wisdom. You

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<v Speaker 3>ever want to know about integrity, read that chapter and

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<v Speaker 3>always in fashion of the book. That is a backdrop

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<v Speaker 3>Tonight's show. No Response is a response, So, if you

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<v Speaker 3>want to ask me what I think about the show,

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<v Speaker 3>good night,
