WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:04.480 You know, speaking of like trinkets and movie going and everything, 2 00:00:05.679 --> 00:00:10.919 I'm just curious to ask you about popcorn buckets, these 3 00:00:10.919 --> 00:00:13.880 like movie themed popcorn corn buckets, because like when I 4 00:00:13.880 --> 00:00:19.039 go to my theater, they now have like a huge display. 5 00:00:19.120 --> 00:00:23.239 It's like when you're you know, like a target or whatever. 6 00:00:23.440 --> 00:00:24.920 You know, how they make it so when you're walking 7 00:00:24.920 --> 00:00:26.800 to the register, you have to pass all these sort 8 00:00:26.839 --> 00:00:29.120 of little odds and ends that you think, oh, that'd 9 00:00:29.160 --> 00:00:31.960 be fun, I'll buy that, you know, that sort of gimmick. 10 00:00:32.200 --> 00:00:35.159 So when you go to the concession stand, now you 11 00:00:35.200 --> 00:00:38.359 sneak through this area where they have all these shelves 12 00:00:38.359 --> 00:00:41.560 of popcorn buckets. Yeah, and I mean they've had these 13 00:00:41.560 --> 00:00:45.039 for a long time. I think the Dune popcorn bucket 14 00:00:45.079 --> 00:00:46.439 was the one that really brought a lot of people's 15 00:00:46.479 --> 00:00:49.799 attention to it for the first time. But I mean 16 00:00:50.439 --> 00:00:53.719 every movie since, like I have, there was an Andrea 17 00:00:53.920 --> 00:00:57.560 Bocelli movie that showed for like a week, but they 18 00:00:57.600 --> 00:01:01.200 made a popcorn bucket for that really, yeah, which I 19 00:01:01.280 --> 00:01:04.760 have because I thought it was so funny. And so 20 00:01:06.239 --> 00:01:10.120 you know, you have certain ones that are just regular tins. 21 00:01:10.599 --> 00:01:12.599 So I remember ferm Mission Impossible. It was just like 22 00:01:12.640 --> 00:01:15.959 a red bucket with an image of Ethan Hunt dangling 23 00:01:15.959 --> 00:01:18.000 from a mountain or something. Right, But then some of 24 00:01:18.040 --> 00:01:20.879 the others get really really elaborate. And the one that 25 00:01:20.920 --> 00:01:22.680 really stood out to me when I went to the 26 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:27.680 movies the other night was they had this tron arcade 27 00:01:27.719 --> 00:01:31.879 cabinet popcorn bucket. So look, it looks cool, like it 28 00:01:31.920 --> 00:01:35.000 looks like a mini arcade cabinet, and you know, but 29 00:01:35.280 --> 00:01:38.840 that movie just didn't perform like I think people expected. 30 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:42.200 People weren't interested in buying merch for that film. And 31 00:01:42.640 --> 00:01:46.920 they still have those tron arcade things every time you 32 00:01:47.000 --> 00:01:50.200 walk up to the register, and it's like, you know, 33 00:01:51.400 --> 00:01:53.760 I think when they came out, they're probably like sixty bucks, 34 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:55.640 and then it's like thirty bucks, and now it's like 35 00:01:55.640 --> 00:02:00.200 two for fifteen dollars. I mean, yeah, yeah, well, and 36 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:02.480 then I still pass like wicked stuff. But then there's 37 00:02:02.480 --> 00:02:04.879 new things, you know, like Michael and it looks like 38 00:02:04.959 --> 00:02:06.319 it's like a bucket, but it looks like there's a 39 00:02:06.319 --> 00:02:09.599 gold record on top. But anyway, with Mandalorian. 40 00:02:09.439 --> 00:02:12.759 One battle after another where it's just Colonel Lockjaw's head 41 00:02:12.879 --> 00:02:14.280 that you eat popcorn out of. 42 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:16.840 Yeah, or it's like the paternity test machine, you know, 43 00:02:17.039 --> 00:02:20.120 like the two levels. You just like open that up 44 00:02:20.120 --> 00:02:25.560 and eat the popcorn out of it. He may not 45 00:02:25.599 --> 00:02:28.520 be her father, DiCaprio, but you know he is her 46 00:02:28.599 --> 00:02:35.560 dad eating out of that machine. So but Mandalorian and Grogu, 47 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:38.439 I saw that they have this big, elaborate, freaking at 48 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:43.960 at Walker. Okay, popcorn bucket quote unquote bucket. Yeah, and 49 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:45.759 it looks like something I would have wanted as a kid, 50 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:48.719 just like a toy, right right, But it costs I 51 00:02:48.719 --> 00:02:50.520 want to say, it costs eighty dollars. 52 00:02:51.039 --> 00:02:52.319 What the Okay? 53 00:02:52.439 --> 00:02:54.599 Yeah, and I remember the Avatar thing also, I don't 54 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:57.319 remember the creature's name, but whatever, those you know, the 55 00:02:57.319 --> 00:03:00.120 sky dragon things that they fly, They had those and 56 00:03:00.159 --> 00:03:02.919 they lit up and they were like eighty dollars or something. 57 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:05.520 And I don't know, I mean, I don't have a 58 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:07.039 point to all this. I just think it's kind of 59 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:11.039 fascinating that they are investing so much in these things. Yeah, 60 00:03:11.080 --> 00:03:13.000 and some of them become collector's items. I think the 61 00:03:13.120 --> 00:03:16.800 Yoshi popcorn bucket from Super Mario Galaxy, right, you know, 62 00:03:16.879 --> 00:03:19.080 probably sold for like sixty dollars or something. And now 63 00:03:19.080 --> 00:03:21.280 you can go on eBay and see them for who 64 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:25.120 knows one hundred plus. But then it's interesting seeing you've 65 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:28.560 got all these leftovers, and I just wonder, I don't 66 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:30.840 know how this is like netting out for them, if 67 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:33.919 it's maybe they only cost five dollars to make, you know, 68 00:03:34.039 --> 00:03:37.319 so not much as lost. But I just find it fascinating. 69 00:03:37.360 --> 00:03:40.199 I'm curious how much longer it'll go for. And I'm 70 00:03:40.280 --> 00:03:43.199 kind of curious what your experience with these is at 71 00:03:43.240 --> 00:03:44.719 your theater. I mean, do you see a lot of these? 72 00:03:44.719 --> 00:03:46.080 Do you see a lot of leftovers? 73 00:03:46.319 --> 00:03:49.240 I see ye, I mean, now that you mentioned it, 74 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:52.039 I mean I don't. I guess I don't spend a 75 00:03:52.039 --> 00:03:55.960 lot of time glancing at things in the in the 76 00:03:55.960 --> 00:03:57.120 the concessions area. 77 00:03:57.240 --> 00:04:01.719 So you don't have to like pass them, right, Okay. 78 00:04:03.039 --> 00:04:05.800 So I have not seen like the more elaborate ones, 79 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:07.319 but I see I not in person, but I see 80 00:04:07.319 --> 00:04:10.280 pictures online and and for me, there's just a practicality 81 00:04:10.280 --> 00:04:13.599 aspect of it where I mean that it's like taking 82 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:18.480 up space forever, you know, like yeah, in a collection. 83 00:04:18.759 --> 00:04:22.439 So I'm kind of like for some of these, I 84 00:04:22.439 --> 00:04:25.360 mean I can see Star Wars fans obviously buying the 85 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:29.199 Star Wars ones, right, But you know with. 86 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:33.079 You know, some of this other stuff. 87 00:04:33.160 --> 00:04:36.600 It's so it's so transient that I wonder about, Like, 88 00:04:36.639 --> 00:04:40.639 I I think that, what was it like two years 89 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:42.920 ago there was like the Deadpool and Wolverine one, right, 90 00:04:42.959 --> 00:04:44.920 and there was like a like people were lining up 91 00:04:44.920 --> 00:04:45.279 to get them. 92 00:04:45.319 --> 00:04:46.600 I think it's dead Pool and Wolverine. 93 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:48.279 Yeah, I kind of remember that. 94 00:04:49.160 --> 00:04:51.000 I forget, I forget even what it was. I just 95 00:04:51.040 --> 00:04:53.399 remember there was like a limit one per customer thing, 96 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:57.040 and I'm like, Okay, I can kind of see somebody 97 00:04:57.079 --> 00:04:59.399 wanting that. But not all movies are going to have 98 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:07.680 sort of that toy ettek or collectible adjacent you know, yeah, 99 00:05:07.800 --> 00:05:08.519 or like an event. 100 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:10.920 It's like when you go to a concert and you 101 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:13.199 want to sort of memorialize it in sort of a 102 00:05:13.240 --> 00:05:14.759 way and you can put it on your shelf like 103 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:16.600 a shirt or whatever you get. So I can see 104 00:05:16.600 --> 00:05:18.279 that maybe with a certain movie that's like an event 105 00:05:18.360 --> 00:05:21.000 and you go with a big group of friends and whatever. 106 00:05:21.079 --> 00:05:24.920 But like even Dune, right, it was just hey, it 107 00:05:24.959 --> 00:05:26.920 looks like a butthole, Like that was the whole. 108 00:05:28.439 --> 00:05:30.120 That was the novelty of it. 109 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:35.160 The novelty of it, hey butt hoole bucket. Okay, I 110 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:37.240 would imagine that wears off too after a while. 111 00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:40.279 Yeah, I mean it's it's funny for a week or 112 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:42.040 a couple of days. But then I mean, is that 113 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:45.800 thing still sitting on your shelf the in a proud spot? 114 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:49.879 I don't know, leave it there as a conversation starter 115 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:50.639 on Thanksgiving? 116 00:05:51.040 --> 00:05:51.759 Well, I think for. 117 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:57.319 You know, Billy, I've been meaning to ask you taking 118 00:05:57.319 --> 00:06:02.439 a bite of turkey. But for me, I've been kind 119 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:05.360 of lucky where you know, my friend works at a 120 00:06:05.360 --> 00:06:07.519 studio and so I've gone to a couple of screenings 121 00:06:07.519 --> 00:06:11.519 there that they host, and they've given out their buckets 122 00:06:11.560 --> 00:06:14.319 there for free. Oh interesting, and so I have like 123 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:16.399 a mission impossible bucket and whatever. Well, like I said, 124 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:19.000 the simple ones, it's just a popcorn bucket, right, but 125 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:21.480 it's branded right right, and I do love it like 126 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:24.199 I do use it. It's it's fun and it because 127 00:06:24.199 --> 00:06:28.120 it works as a popcorn bucket, right, you know. But 128 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:31.399 sometimes I'll see certain ones that look cool, like if 129 00:06:31.399 --> 00:06:36.240 I saw a well, I think AMC had Deloreans. Okay, 130 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:38.040 you know, for when the anniversary. 131 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:40.120 That's the teacher that's cool. You know, yeah, it's cool. 132 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:41.839 I can understand that sort of thing, but some of 133 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:44.120 them are just so elaborate. And also for a movie 134 00:06:44.160 --> 00:06:47.199 that like I'm catching because I have the time and 135 00:06:47.240 --> 00:06:49.480 not because it's something that I'm really thinking much about. 136 00:06:49.560 --> 00:06:52.160 I just think it's interesting that they just went all 137 00:06:52.199 --> 00:06:55.879 in on that and making this really expensive merch for it. 138 00:06:55.959 --> 00:06:59.879 And you know, this feels like a ramp like a 139 00:07:00.120 --> 00:07:04.040 ramp up from we're talking twenty years ago. I remember 140 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:06.600 Slurpy Cups used to be very elaborate. 141 00:07:07.120 --> 00:07:08.839 Oh yeah, yeah. 142 00:07:08.920 --> 00:07:11.600 I remember going to seven eleven when Revenge of the 143 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:14.199 Sith came out and there were like four different Slurpy 144 00:07:14.279 --> 00:07:16.519 cups all with the Darth Vader topper. 145 00:07:17.519 --> 00:07:18.879 I was like, these are cool, and then I got them. 146 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:21.439 I had four of them, and then at some point, 147 00:07:21.519 --> 00:07:22.879 you know, when I moved or whatever, I'm like, Man, 148 00:07:22.920 --> 00:07:23.199 what am. 149 00:07:23.120 --> 00:07:23.920 I supposed to do with these? 150 00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:24.439 Yeah? 151 00:07:24.519 --> 00:07:25.399 Sure, sure, and in. 152 00:07:25.399 --> 00:07:26.839 The trash they went. I probably could have put them 153 00:07:26.839 --> 00:07:28.759 on eBay now that I think about it. But anyway, 154 00:07:28.959 --> 00:07:33.639 this is like exponentially more in terms of the sort 155 00:07:33.639 --> 00:07:37.079 of the logistical hassle factor, the func stue of it all, 156 00:07:37.160 --> 00:07:37.360 you know. 157 00:07:37.600 --> 00:07:39.839 Yeah, and when you're like pricing the average person out 158 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:43.720 of a popcorn bucket. Yeah, it's just like, I don't know, 159 00:07:43.720 --> 00:07:45.839 it's just the natural evolution of things. I guess, I 160 00:07:45.839 --> 00:07:46.160 don't know. 161 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:50.639 It's sort of you know, you know comic books used 162 00:07:50.639 --> 00:07:53.480 to do this where in this is in the nineties, 163 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:55.839 at the height of the speculator era, so we're talking 164 00:07:55.879 --> 00:07:59.279 early nineties and the and you may even have memory 165 00:07:59.319 --> 00:08:02.240 of this, like the were trying to out gimmick each other. 166 00:08:02.800 --> 00:08:03.920 Yeah, I kind of remember this. 167 00:08:04.800 --> 00:08:07.879 So you had like, yeah, you had like glowing the 168 00:08:07.959 --> 00:08:11.240 dark cover and yeah, you know, hologram cover, and then 169 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:14.959 it became like pop up cover and color forms cover 170 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:17.959 and and it became it eventually became such a pain 171 00:08:18.040 --> 00:08:22.079 in the ass because you're paying extra for literally there 172 00:08:22.120 --> 00:08:24.720 was a there was a Superman cover that was it 173 00:08:24.759 --> 00:08:28.800 came with those those plastic clings and you could make 174 00:08:28.839 --> 00:08:33.159 a little color form scene interesting, and it's like, you know, 175 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:36.320 there again, there is a novelty, a brief novelty, but 176 00:08:36.399 --> 00:08:38.480 then when it comes to storage and everything. 177 00:08:38.240 --> 00:08:40.480 It's a big hassle, right yeah, yeah, yeah. 178 00:08:40.519 --> 00:08:42.080 So all of this is to say, like when I 179 00:08:42.120 --> 00:08:46.000 was doing my bindings, I realized that like, if you're 180 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:48.559 trying to flip through a book, a big, heavy cardboard 181 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:51.840 hologram thing is makes it hard. Right, So I, even 182 00:08:51.879 --> 00:08:55.799 though I owned the like the the the Gimmick covers, 183 00:08:56.440 --> 00:09:01.039 I went back in and purchased the like the normal 184 00:09:01.159 --> 00:09:03.360 version of those issues. 185 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:04.039 Yep. 186 00:09:04.519 --> 00:09:08.519 So right, eventually it's like, well the gimmick becomes a pain, yeah, 187 00:09:09.039 --> 00:09:10.720 and it's like, just give me the normal thing, and 188 00:09:10.720 --> 00:09:13.960 I feel like just to transfer the analogy. At some point, 189 00:09:14.200 --> 00:09:16.120 you just want a thing to eat popcorn out of 190 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:17.919 that you throw away? 191 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:21.519 Yeah right right, right right now, or like it's cool 192 00:09:21.559 --> 00:09:24.919 to take something home and I can use it because 193 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:28.440 it's actually useful, but I don't need like twenty of them. 194 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:33.039 Yeah, like how much popcorn it does one intend to eat? 195 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:37.919 Yeah? Yeah, but although I do, I am susceptible sometimes 196 00:09:37.919 --> 00:09:40.240 to the shiny thing. You know, when you're in the 197 00:09:40.240 --> 00:09:41.879 moment you're going to see a certain thing and then 198 00:09:41.919 --> 00:09:44.320 you see like a little thing that you can hold 199 00:09:44.360 --> 00:09:48.320 in your hand, like I get the draw. 200 00:09:48.759 --> 00:09:51.679 Well sure, but like okay, so you use the ad 201 00:09:51.720 --> 00:09:54.919 at as an example, Yeah, it's just kind of yeah, 202 00:09:54.919 --> 00:09:57.759 that's a neat thing. I wouldn't pay eighty dollars for it. 203 00:09:57.840 --> 00:09:59.960 No very cool though, I mean I just always love 204 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:01.440 ad at Walker, sure. 205 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:06.120 Right, or the DeLorean or like, give me an anton 206 00:10:06.200 --> 00:10:09.600 first Batmobile popcorn holder. Well, I would just put that 207 00:10:09.639 --> 00:10:10.200 on my shelf. 208 00:10:10.399 --> 00:10:13.279 Yeah, so I just instinctively held up my hand with 209 00:10:13.320 --> 00:10:14.399 cash in it when you said that. 210 00:10:14.679 --> 00:10:18.600 See, yeah, right, but yeah, I mean at some point 211 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:20.799 again and actually, you know, if you give me the 212 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:27.279 Colonel lockjaw head, put that next to the butthole thing 213 00:10:27.360 --> 00:10:30.279 and just let people have their own conversations. 214 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:37.600 Excuse me. Yeah. Wait, by the way, this is completely random, 215 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:41.360 but have you this is Sunday, May seventeenth. Have you 216 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:42.799 seen last night's SNL. 217 00:10:44.039 --> 00:10:46.399 I've only seen a couple of sketches. I fell asleep. 218 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:49.960 Did you see the opening with the Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah, 219 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:53.200 Will Ferrell played Jeffrey Epstein and you know the talking 220 00:10:53.200 --> 00:10:53.919 to Donald Trump. 221 00:10:54.159 --> 00:10:54.480 I did. 222 00:10:55.320 --> 00:10:58.600 Did you think that Will Ferrell with his wig and 223 00:10:58.639 --> 00:11:01.320 his sweater and everything looked like Harrison Ford from The 224 00:11:01.360 --> 00:11:05.240 Fugitive when he steals that old man's clothes from the hospital. 225 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:08.320 That's funny. Wow, right, He's. 226 00:11:08.159 --> 00:11:13.759 Got that like gray grandpa sweater and I couldn't stop 227 00:11:13.759 --> 00:11:15.600 thinking about it. And then I wanted to make sure 228 00:11:15.639 --> 00:11:19.600 to tell you. And then this morning on Instagram or something, 229 00:11:19.720 --> 00:11:22.679 I saw someone say is it just me or did 230 00:11:23.519 --> 00:11:25.759 well Phair look like Harrison Ford in that opening sketch 231 00:11:25.799 --> 00:11:28.200 last night? And I was like, wow, yeah, there you go. 232 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:31.559 You keet in on something, you know, I The Fugitive. 233 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:34.000 It's so funny that you mentioned that, because, like, you know, 234 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:38.519 I screened that in my class, and you know, I 235 00:11:38.559 --> 00:11:41.279 teach a class clued Cultural Expression in Media, and I 236 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:43.960 try to culminate the course by talking about film itself 237 00:11:44.039 --> 00:11:47.799 as culture, like the experience of watching a movie with 238 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:51.159 an audience that that becomes a shared cultural moment, you know. 239 00:11:51.639 --> 00:11:53.679 And so I like using The Fugitive as an example 240 00:11:53.720 --> 00:11:56.879 because it's a great Obviously it was a huge blockbuster, 241 00:11:57.000 --> 00:11:59.559 but also it was a critical and you know, Awards favorite, 242 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:03.759 and so it has that dual layers of credibility and 243 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:06.519 plus for most you know, we're talking about pop culture 244 00:12:06.559 --> 00:12:10.080 half life. I mean, gosh, well, overwhelmingly students have not 245 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:14.759 seen this in a movie they enjoy. And in my 246 00:12:14.759 --> 00:12:18.039 my final one one question that I close out with 247 00:12:18.200 --> 00:12:21.240 is what was your favorite movie that we watched this semester? 248 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:25.200 And it gratifies me so much that so many of 249 00:12:25.200 --> 00:12:26.559 them are like, well, I know it's the last one, 250 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:29.519 but manned, I love The Fugitive really, you know, and 251 00:12:29.720 --> 00:12:31.440 it just makes me happy because I'm like, this is 252 00:12:31.440 --> 00:12:38.320 a movie that in terms of the situation that it presents, 253 00:12:39.159 --> 00:12:43.919 it's it's so technologically removed from where we are now, right. 254 00:12:43.840 --> 00:12:43.919 Like. 255 00:12:45.399 --> 00:12:49.240 Richard Kimball in twenty six has a whole he runs 256 00:12:49.320 --> 00:12:53.360 a very different gauntlet, you know what I'm saying, And 257 00:12:53.399 --> 00:12:55.320 that would be an interesting story. But in that sense, 258 00:12:55.360 --> 00:12:57.600 this is very it's very out of date, right, Yeah, 259 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:02.080 the idea that Kimball can just sort of disappear into 260 00:13:02.159 --> 00:13:05.080 a maze of humanity and sort of function with a 261 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:08.120 certain level of anonymity, it feels very very quaint. 262 00:13:08.440 --> 00:13:10.960 I mean, like every movie now is like, you know, 263 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:13.639 check the CCTV and people. 264 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:15.519 Pulling out their phones and recording whatever. 265 00:13:15.759 --> 00:13:18.320 Yeah, like Running Man, which I know is supposed to 266 00:13:18.360 --> 00:13:20.559 be slightly futuristic, but it's not that far off where 267 00:13:20.559 --> 00:13:22.639 everyone can just pull out their phones and find that 268 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:25.440 person exactly. So that's a great point. 269 00:13:25.519 --> 00:13:29.360 Yeah, you know, it's very different, but yet they plug 270 00:13:29.440 --> 00:13:34.399 into the the character drama and the performances and that, 271 00:13:34.480 --> 00:13:37.559 you know, like the stuff that the same stuff that 272 00:13:37.600 --> 00:13:40.000 you and I have loved about that movie for decades 273 00:13:40.799 --> 00:13:44.720 that makes it so so utterly rewatchable. 274 00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:45.960 You know. 275 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:50.440 I saw somebody online say once that that's that's a 276 00:13:51.639 --> 00:13:54.879 finish watching from wherever you happen to channel surf across 277 00:13:54.919 --> 00:13:58.759 it movie completely. Yeah, it's so true, right, And you 278 00:13:58.759 --> 00:14:00.799 know I always say what was favorite movie and why? 279 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:05.360 And the responses were great where it was like I 280 00:14:05.519 --> 00:14:10.960 was glad that the deputy came around to his side, 281 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:14.080 or that that he believed him, you know, like in 282 00:14:14.120 --> 00:14:20.039 other words, sort of reckon, like liking both characters, yeah, or. 283 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:21.279 One one comment I loved. 284 00:14:21.360 --> 00:14:26.720 I loved how doctor Kimball went out of his way 285 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:27.960 to help others when it. 286 00:14:27.960 --> 00:14:29.039 Would have been easier not to. 287 00:14:29.960 --> 00:14:30.320 Wow. 288 00:14:30.759 --> 00:14:33.240 And I'm like, man, if those are the responses, I 289 00:14:33.240 --> 00:14:34.240 feel like I'm doing something right. 290 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:39.200 Is that funny They're not talking about action sequences exactly. Yeah, 291 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:43.159 Like they really locked into the characters and who they are, 292 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:48.799 and that's that's amazing. That's that makes me so happy. 293 00:14:48.799 --> 00:14:51.480 It really does, you know, because because I try to 294 00:14:51.519 --> 00:14:53.559 frame it, I'm like, you know, what is the shorthand 295 00:14:53.759 --> 00:14:56.480 that films give us. How do we know instinctively when 296 00:14:56.519 --> 00:14:58.440 a character is a bad guy good guy? To talk 297 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:01.159 about save the cat and things like that. In The Fugitive, 298 00:15:01.600 --> 00:15:05.799 one of the first instances we first indications we get 299 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:08.000 that Kimball is a good guy is after the train 300 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:11.279 crash he's the only one who helps the cop who's 301 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:14.399 been stabbed. Yeah, yep, and like right away you're like, okay, 302 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:17.159 good guy, you know. And so I try to walk 303 00:15:17.200 --> 00:15:19.879 them through what a movie is doing to make them 304 00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:23.080 better aware of, like this is everything that's in the 305 00:15:23.159 --> 00:15:25.840 film is there intentionally and there it's trying to make 306 00:15:25.840 --> 00:15:28.399 you feel a certain way. So interrogate your your feelings. 307 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:30.559 Why are you why do you feel this way or that? 308 00:15:30.600 --> 00:15:30.759 You know? 309 00:15:30.879 --> 00:15:32.759 And I use the same thing about Gerard. I'm like, 310 00:15:32.799 --> 00:15:34.799 what how do we know he's not a bad guy? 311 00:15:34.840 --> 00:15:37.399 You know? And I talk about protagonists versus antagonist, and 312 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:40.919 I'm like, you know, a protagonist is not a good guy. 313 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:43.879 Antagonist is not a bad guy. It's protagonist is who 314 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:47.360 we spend the most time with. Antagonist is whoever's trying 315 00:15:47.360 --> 00:15:51.240 to stop our protagonists from achieving their goal, you know. 316 00:15:51.279 --> 00:15:53.480 And I try I walk them through this where I'm like, 317 00:15:54.039 --> 00:15:56.679 the more time you spend with the character, the more 318 00:15:56.720 --> 00:15:59.559 you feel invested in them. And I'm like Girard and Kimball, 319 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:03.720 we spend the equal time. We like them both, you know. 320 00:16:03.799 --> 00:16:08.080 So it's fun to me when they are picking out 321 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:08.559 this stuff. 322 00:16:08.600 --> 00:16:10.080 You know, I just. 323 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:15.559 I wish you could almost take this like your your 324 00:16:16.039 --> 00:16:20.519 students and use this as a study to show studios 325 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:23.879 what resonates. Yeah, right, you know what I mean. It 326 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:28.799 isn't trying to top yourself with visual effects. It isn't 327 00:16:29.120 --> 00:16:31.399 you know, any of that sort of thing. It's if 328 00:16:31.399 --> 00:16:38.440 the characters resonate and their journey resonates, people walk away satisfied. 329 00:16:38.519 --> 00:16:40.759 So like, that's what you should be working on first. 330 00:16:41.279 --> 00:16:44.480 Yeah, you know, And I think it gets to like, 331 00:16:44.559 --> 00:16:48.799 what are the movies that that outlive their moment and 332 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:53.440 what are the ones that maybe burn white hot for 333 00:16:53.519 --> 00:16:56.759 a second but are utterly forgotten. 334 00:16:58.279 --> 00:17:02.720 You know what's funny. This reminds me. I rewatched the 335 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:07.599 movie Splash recently, and that was a huge hit when 336 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:10.759 it came out in nineteen eighty four, and it was 337 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:14.279 in the top ten box office of the year. And 338 00:17:15.960 --> 00:17:17.960 I was listening to a podcast and they were interviewing 339 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:21.920 Ron Howard just reflecting about Splash being this big breakout 340 00:17:21.960 --> 00:17:25.880 moment for him and Tom Hanks and everybody, and so 341 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:27.559 it's like, oh, I want to it's on Disney Plus 342 00:17:27.680 --> 00:17:28.480 I've rewatch that. 343 00:17:28.920 --> 00:17:29.200 Yeah. 344 00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:34.119 And it's funny because it opens with he and Tom 345 00:17:34.119 --> 00:17:37.240 Hanks and John Candy are brothers, and it shows a 346 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:39.799 flashback with their little boys, and you see the John 347 00:17:39.880 --> 00:17:44.640 Candy boy basically throwing change on the ground and picking 348 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:46.079 it up, but it's just an excuse so he can 349 00:17:46.119 --> 00:17:50.480 look up women's skirts, gotcha. And so then it you know, 350 00:17:50.640 --> 00:17:53.480 shows them in the present and John Candy is still 351 00:17:53.759 --> 00:17:55.359 throwing stuff on the ground so he can look up 352 00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:56.200 women's dresses. 353 00:17:56.759 --> 00:17:58.519 I believe that's what you were doing the first time 354 00:17:58.519 --> 00:17:59.119 you and I met. 355 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:02.920 That's how we met. Yeah, actually, yeah, that's right. But 356 00:18:04.279 --> 00:18:06.799 I was like, wow, that is so funny that this 357 00:18:06.920 --> 00:18:11.559 like really creepy thing, Like in eighty four everyone was like, yes, yes, 358 00:18:12.079 --> 00:18:15.160 that's our guy, you know what I mean. And and 359 00:18:15.200 --> 00:18:20.400 even that's one example, but then Tom Hanks and Darryl 360 00:18:20.440 --> 00:18:26.640 Hannah's relationship is just so empty, you know what I mean. 361 00:18:26.640 --> 00:18:28.880 It's like she's she saw him once and now she's 362 00:18:28.920 --> 00:18:31.240 obsessed with him, and as soon as they see each 363 00:18:31.240 --> 00:18:36.000 other they have sex like immediately, and then they want 364 00:18:36.039 --> 00:18:38.920 to get married. And I'm like what what like what? Yeah, 365 00:18:38.920 --> 00:18:40.319 you know what I mean. And it's like she's the 366 00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:42.640 love of his life. I'm like, she hasn't spoken a 367 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:45.440 word to you yet, you know what I mean. So 368 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:49.240 I just feel like a movie like that would not, 369 00:18:50.480 --> 00:18:54.079 you know, hold up to today's audiences for many reasons. 370 00:18:54.319 --> 00:18:59.319 Yeah yeah, but in the moment it worked, you know. 371 00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:02.039 But we're talking about there are just certain movies where 372 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:08.880 they do like a great job, you know, with like 373 00:19:08.920 --> 00:19:11.680 the human condition and characters and what they want and 374 00:19:11.720 --> 00:19:15.039 what they need and making them relatable or at least understandable. 375 00:19:15.359 --> 00:19:18.319 And those are the movies where maybe culturally we don't 376 00:19:18.359 --> 00:19:20.640 talk about the Fugitive as much, but if you show 377 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:26.079 it to a group of younger people who might never 378 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:29.279 have put it on themselves, it holds up just as 379 00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:31.319 well as it did thirty some years ago. 380 00:19:31.559 --> 00:19:32.920 Yeah. It's gratifying. 381 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:36.359 Yeah, yeah, so that's I think that's really cool your class, 382 00:19:36.480 --> 00:19:39.160 just that it exists. I mean, that's such an amazing thing, 383 00:19:40.599 --> 00:19:44.359 not only to show exposed kids to like amazing movies 384 00:19:44.359 --> 00:19:46.279 they may have missed, but also to give them like 385 00:19:46.319 --> 00:19:48.799 a kind of a literacy or get them into a 386 00:19:48.880 --> 00:19:52.440 dialogue about like not just watching a movie, but thinking 387 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:56.160 about a movie and digging in the way that you 388 00:19:56.200 --> 00:19:57.359 guys do. I think that's awesome. 389 00:19:58.240 --> 00:19:59.440 Yeah, well I hope. 390 00:19:59.480 --> 00:20:03.440 So you know, I saw a thing online and maybe 391 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:06.559 this was bait to some extent, but it was somebody 392 00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:09.519 responding to the question of like, what is a good 393 00:20:09.559 --> 00:20:13.400 age to show your kids the Lord of the Rings films, 394 00:20:14.119 --> 00:20:16.839 And this person says, well, if your kids are a 395 00:20:16.839 --> 00:20:19.720 little like five, that's probably too young. So another five 396 00:20:19.839 --> 00:20:22.240 years then they're ten ish. But at that point the 397 00:20:22.279 --> 00:20:24.000 movies are going to be more than thirty years old, 398 00:20:24.200 --> 00:20:25.759 and no kid is going to watch a movie that's 399 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:27.079 more than thirty years old. 400 00:20:27.839 --> 00:20:30.319 Hey, this is Brian. And that was a preview of 401 00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:33.480