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<v Speaker 1>Y'all ripped off news, need advice, so you don't have.

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<v Speaker 2>Come running. Just as fast as we can, Shooter's gonna

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<v Speaker 3>This is the Troubleshooter Show. Now, Tom Martine.

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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, Good morning, Good morning. This is John Fuller.

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<v Speaker 1>I am not Tom Martino, so you won't recognize the

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<v Speaker 1>dulcet tones from the host today, but I'll be filling

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<v Speaker 1>in for the next couple of days. Many of you

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<v Speaker 1>know me. I am a personal injury attorney here in Denver,

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<v Speaker 1>have been so for the last I don't know, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two to twenty three years, something like that, And

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<v Speaker 1>so we're gonna be here today to talk about all

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<v Speaker 1>of the normal stuff that you guys have going on

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<v Speaker 1>that we can help with, but we're gonna have the

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<v Speaker 1>added benefit of being able to talk about anything that

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<v Speaker 1>is personal injury related. But on top of that, we

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<v Speaker 1>have a star studded staff today of deputies. Here. We

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<v Speaker 1>have Dmitri, Say good morning, Dmitri.

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<v Speaker 4>And we have Doc Hey, Hey, fellow morons, Happy New Year.

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<v Speaker 1>Fellow morons. And we have Bo in the studio today.

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<v Speaker 1>Say hello, Bo.

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<v Speaker 5>Hello there morons and our listeners, and happy New Year

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<v Speaker 5>to everybody. Bring your calls in.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, indeed so are we and running on the YouTube

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<v Speaker 1>so we may not be actually up and running on that.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is, as you know, the only show of

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<v Speaker 1>its kind solving problems, answering questions, and taking complaints. We

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<v Speaker 1>have recovered over three hundred million dollars in cash, exchange

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<v Speaker 1>help at troubleshooter dot com. We are going to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about a number of different subjects today. How was uh,

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<v Speaker 1>how was everybody's holidays?

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<v Speaker 6>I had a very quiet Christmas in New Year's did

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<v Speaker 6>you yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>My uh, my son and daughter law were in Ohio

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<v Speaker 4>at our family, so it was just very quiet. Didn't

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<v Speaker 4>do it much, played a little bit of poker, watch

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<v Speaker 4>some good football, and that was about it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's good. That's good. That's good. Same for us. We

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<v Speaker 1>had we still have a mother in law in town.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a couple of other siblings and whatnot that

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<v Speaker 1>came through for a couple of days. But oh no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's super quiet, you know, low key Christmas holiday. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's the best way to go. Where are your

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<v Speaker 1>siblings from? What part of country? Well? My you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I grew up in Georgia, and so most of my

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<v Speaker 1>in Florida, so we didn't see any of them. But

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<v Speaker 1>my wife's family is from all things West, everything from

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<v Speaker 1>Las Vegas to South Dakota and stuff like that, so

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<v Speaker 1>there at least within arguably within driving distance, and so

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<v Speaker 1>that's pretty good. How about you, Bill, anything exciting?

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<v Speaker 5>I brought my kid, came back from CU Boulder and

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<v Speaker 5>we just had my three girls with me, and as

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<v Speaker 5>very quiet as Doc mentioned, I didn't have to entertain

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<v Speaker 5>any relatives. No one wanted to come over, and that

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<v Speaker 5>was perfectly fine with me. So we did some walks

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<v Speaker 5>and did some homemade cooking and just hung out together

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<v Speaker 5>as a family.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Cool, cool, glad to hear it. How about you

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<v Speaker 1>to be interest John?

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<v Speaker 7>Pretty much the standard stuff, hung out with my friends

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<v Speaker 7>and family and cats and dogs and fed squirrels at

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<v Speaker 7>the park and had time off from work.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't think of a better set to holidays and

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<v Speaker 6>Nice.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't think we can really be here today

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<v Speaker 1>without talking about some of the crazy stuff going on

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<v Speaker 1>in the country right now. What about this New Orleans thing?

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<v Speaker 4>You guys see that it's pretty scary when it's a

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<v Speaker 4>homegrown terrorist.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just bizarre to me that we continue to have

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<v Speaker 1>these things going on. And you know, every time that

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<v Speaker 1>something like this happened, there's always Monday morning quarterbacking that

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<v Speaker 1>goes on that seems to identify, you know, some major

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<v Speaker 1>mistake that was made, like you know, in New Orleans.

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<v Speaker 1>And not to act like some conspiracy theory or something,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean, they've got these huge contraptions that raise

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<v Speaker 1>up to keep you know, vehicles from going down the road.

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<v Speaker 1>And the one day that they happen to not be

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<v Speaker 1>up during the biggest kind of street celebration day in

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<v Speaker 1>the whole entire year, and that's when some moron decides

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<v Speaker 1>to run down the center the road. And god, the

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<v Speaker 1>videos are just unbelievable, how fast and how just just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, violent and disgusting. That whole thing was.

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<v Speaker 5>I just wonder if this individual planned it. You must

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<v Speaker 5>you must have known that he I wonder if he

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<v Speaker 5>knew those barriers would not be up. It was just

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<v Speaker 5>you're right, John, it was ironic. They took him down

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<v Speaker 5>for repair for the super Bowl. Now why would they

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<v Speaker 5>if they're for the Super Bowl? Why would they have

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<v Speaker 5>them on Canal Street? They should have just left them there.

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<v Speaker 5>I just don't understand why those barriers.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, well, Bo, this doesn't mark the first time

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<v Speaker 7>that the government employees and New Orleans failed their citizens. Okay,

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<v Speaker 7>so this is pretty consistent with my expectations. How so, well,

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<v Speaker 7>you may recall the Hurricane Katrina disaster from a few

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<v Speaker 7>years ago, and that didn't you know, in terms of

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<v Speaker 7>government response during that event, it didn't go much better

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<v Speaker 7>than the than what they and what they did this time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I think that's true. I think Ray

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<v Speaker 1>Nagan is still in jail right now, isn't he. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the Yeah, the history is long and replete

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<v Speaker 1>with instances of corruption and all that stuff. But I

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<v Speaker 1>can't really connect the dots between just systemic issues in

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<v Speaker 1>New Orleans and this guy. And to your point, bo.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't think you just wake up decide

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<v Speaker 1>to rent a vehicle and drive over, you know, several

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<v Speaker 1>hundred miles and pull off something like this without having

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<v Speaker 1>you know, some forethought and planning as to what it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to entail, don't you?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes?

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<v Speaker 5>Do you think there are rather people involved in this attack?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean they're trying to connect the dots if it

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<v Speaker 5>was related to the incident in the Trump Tower in Vegas,

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<v Speaker 5>but the Tesla car well, apparently both of these guys,

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<v Speaker 5>the the Las Vegas bomber, he's from Colorada Springs right,

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<v Speaker 5>and apparently, according.

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<v Speaker 7>To reports I read just early early this morning, the

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<v Speaker 7>two served together. It's some military installation. Oh I didn't

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<v Speaker 7>hear that, however, the articles were careful not to mention

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<v Speaker 7>what military installation that was.

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<v Speaker 1>Wondering why that is.

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<v Speaker 7>But yeah, clearly there are co conspirators, both the two

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<v Speaker 7>dead ones and whoever else assisted in their nefarious plot plots.

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<v Speaker 1>That's crazy. How would you feel if you rented your

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<v Speaker 1>Tesla to somebody and you know, less than twenty four

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<v Speaker 1>hours later some guy blew it up in front of

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, of all cars to rent what is that escape.

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<v Speaker 1>The symbolism of a Tesla in front of Trump Tower.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you can't, of course, you can't escape that,

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean that whole concept of renting your cars

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<v Speaker 1>through that app is crazy to me in the first place.

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<v Speaker 1>But to rent it to somebody and then have that happen,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know what the conversation with your insurance

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<v Speaker 1>company would be about, you know, uh, yeah, I'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to make a claim. Well here's what happened. Okay, what

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<v Speaker 1>in the world are you going to do? I just

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I mean, that's crazy. That is the ultimate

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<v Speaker 1>of intentional acts that normally is not something covered by insurance.

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<v Speaker 1>But this owner wasn't complicit in anything. So I have

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<v Speaker 1>no idea how that's going to play out. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>subject for a different show. But yeah, let's go to

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<v Speaker 1>the first call, Sean, what's going on with you?

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<v Speaker 8>Hi, guys.

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<v Speaker 9>We took our twenty seventeen Chevy Silerado to a mechanic.

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<v Speaker 10>Cup there in Denver. We're out of Plublow for a

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<v Speaker 10>enginery build. We've done our due diligence done, you know,

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<v Speaker 10>checked his reviews, insure he was registered with Secretary of

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<v Speaker 10>State We took that up there in June tenth of

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<v Speaker 10>last year, and we literally just got it back Monday

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<v Speaker 10>of this week, after calling, hounding him, being lied to

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<v Speaker 10>numerous times, given dates that was never promised. He just yeah,

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<v Speaker 10>done everything that he could to keep our truck, so

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<v Speaker 10>also charging us an extra twenty three hundred and sixty

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<v Speaker 10>dollars on top of everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Why did it take him six months to do this job?

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<v Speaker 10>That is a good question. We still to this day

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<v Speaker 10>have no clue from the after my truck. He didn't

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<v Speaker 10>even pull it into his shop until November twentieth, when

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<v Speaker 10>I had another mechanic call him to find out what

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<v Speaker 10>was going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So how can I help you today? Hey, what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on?

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<v Speaker 10>Well, we don't want anybody else to encounter this person.

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<v Speaker 10>He has drug his feet, lied to his numerous times.

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<v Speaker 10>He's also done this to to some other people since okay,

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<v Speaker 10>and they left reviews saying this, and we just want

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<v Speaker 10>to make it aware. He is definitely a shady person.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Okay, what's his name.

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<v Speaker 6>And his company?

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<v Speaker 10>His company is a automotive engineering and his name is Mike.

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<v Speaker 1>Where's he located?

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<v Speaker 10>It is right off of seventy Washington Street somewhere right

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<v Speaker 10>in twenty five, I seventy Washington Street.

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<v Speaker 1>And you've left reviews and all that fun stuff as well.

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<v Speaker 10>We have not. We have not left a review yet

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<v Speaker 10>because we're still trying to make sure that my truck

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<v Speaker 10>is fixed. Okay, we do. We do have some some

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<v Speaker 10>minor issues right this moment with Ludains. My oil white

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<v Speaker 10>keeps coming on, just certain little things.

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<v Speaker 9>But I haven't left the.

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<v Speaker 10>Review yet because you know, we may have to have

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<v Speaker 10>him fix this kind of wanting to do something else

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<v Speaker 10>to my truck.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, hopefully he's not listening. Yeah, so way way to

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<v Speaker 1>grease the skids on that by calling the radio show.

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<v Speaker 10>And he wasn't really uh aware that I'd be on on.

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<v Speaker 9>Air doing this, all right, ye Sean.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let us know how it goes when you go

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<v Speaker 1>pick up what's left of your truck.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, thank you, Sean.

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<v Speaker 1>This is BO.

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<v Speaker 5>I'd like to know how how did you happen to

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<v Speaker 5>contact us Automatic?

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<v Speaker 10>Actually it was from a mechanic here and Pueblau that

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<v Speaker 10>has has used him in the past. The biomotors from

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<v Speaker 10>him gave him a great review, and the mechanic here

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<v Speaker 10>in Pueblo I've dealt with him for years now, and

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<v Speaker 10>you know I took his recommendation. That's that's how I

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<v Speaker 10>got to Mike.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, now you have possession of your truck now, writers the.

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<v Speaker 10>Mckenis yes, sir, we picked it up this past Monday.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well, good luck with making sure all the

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<v Speaker 1>kinks are worked out and keeping that relationship good for

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<v Speaker 1>once again, I'm a personal injury attorney here in Denver

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm really curious that you know, do these kind

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<v Speaker 1>Let's let's talk about those kind of things. The other

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<v Speaker 1>his ideas about what can truly be done to keep

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<v Speaker 1>So give us a call and give me your thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>What do you guys think?

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<v Speaker 5>I think I'm worried now about going to public places.

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<v Speaker 5>Thanksgiving in downtown Denver, and after what happened in the

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<v Speaker 5>or I mean there were there were six several thousand,

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<v Speaker 5>I want to go next year. I mean, it would

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<v Speaker 5>There's and it's a crowd. I mean, I think there

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<v Speaker 5>that on Canal Street. And they were just all concentrated

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they probably do things, what ten times a year

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<v Speaker 6>I put up barriers, that's one thing.

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<v Speaker 5>Other than that does no thing you can do. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I think Doc's right. We need these heavy concrete barriers

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<v Speaker 5>like they use when they had the Grand Prix here

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<v Speaker 5>in Denver, like twenty five years ago. I think staging

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<v Speaker 5>a few police cars around the entrances obviously doesn't work

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<v Speaker 5>very well. Well, no, did you try?

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<v Speaker 1>Video? In New Orleans a guy turned literally right in

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<v Speaker 5>No, he bypassed him, and when I think he drove

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know about that. The crazy thing you

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<v Speaker 1>think about some of the parades in New York and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff they've been I mean since like the Boston bombing

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff that venue has been. I mean every dump

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<v Speaker 1>in every town before you have any sort of a gathering,

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<v Speaker 1>We've got to do that now.

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<v Speaker 4>Unfortunately, it's like going through TSA. You know that that

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<v Speaker 4>the nine to eleven change our way of life, and

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<v Speaker 4>I think this is going to change it in the

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<v Speaker 4>same way that we're gonna have to have barriers anytime

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<v Speaker 4>there's a group, you know, get to get together.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's a sad change of of you know,

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<v Speaker 5>Going to It's not John is not going to be

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<v Speaker 5>enjoyable anymore. Like these people that celebrated New Year's Eve

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<v Speaker 5>at Times Square, I hear they. I mean they did

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<v Speaker 5>I mean they had they just took no backpacks. I

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<v Speaker 6>All I can tell you one thing.

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<v Speaker 4>I lived in New York for the first forty years

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<v Speaker 1>They probably felt the same way. I'm sure they did. Dmitri.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I'm gonna just see what Richie has with this

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<v Speaker 6>scam that.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I love a good scam story. Find out. This

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be fascinating. Let's go to Let's go

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<v Speaker 1>to Richard rich.

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<v Speaker 12>Rich One, Hi, John, how are you a happy New Year?

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you? Same to you. What's going on?

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<v Speaker 12>So I'm a long time You're going to hear my

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<v Speaker 12>backup alarm for about ten seconds. I'm working. So I'm

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<v Speaker 12>a longtime listener, and I've talked to Tom and Mark

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<v Speaker 12>several times and they've helped me out a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 12>over the years.

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<v Speaker 8>So what happened.

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<v Speaker 12>Yesterday to my wife is, uh, she got scammed out

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<v Speaker 12>of twenty two thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Holy moly, how he is going on?

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<v Speaker 12>Well for fell Fort hook Line and.

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<v Speaker 1>See Jesus, that's going to be a good one.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 12>So I'm gonna tell you what happened, and this is

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<v Speaker 12>everything that I'm telling you is what I got out

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<v Speaker 12>of her.

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<v Speaker 1>She's not in the car with you, is she?

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<v Speaker 13>No?

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<v Speaker 12>No, no, I'm working. I'm not driving semi for a

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<v Speaker 7>Catch you anyway, Uh, dude, I hope Safeway isn't listening.

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<v Speaker 9>They probably are there.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't have your cell phone in your hand.

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<v Speaker 12>You know, I'm in the yard. I'm not driving out

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<v Speaker 1>He's just kidding with you. Go ahead, go ahead, Richard,

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<v Speaker 1>what's going on?

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<v Speaker 12>I understand.

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<v Speaker 9>So, so here's what happened.

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<v Speaker 12>We have savings and checking with key Bank, and we

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<v Speaker 12>have fraud alert. So she said that she got a

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<v Speaker 12>call from.

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<v Speaker 9>Key Bank fraud alert and okay, and he said that.

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<v Speaker 12>There's some suspicious activity on your account and we have

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<v Speaker 12>reason to believe that Key Bank is under a federal investigation.

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<v Speaker 12>So we would like to help you out by taking

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<v Speaker 12>your money out of Key Bank so that you don't

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<v Speaker 12>lose it because they're ready to close your account and

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<v Speaker 12>other accounts. So she fell for this hook line and seeker.

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<v Speaker 12>So he talked her into going to.

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<v Speaker 9>A branch, no, no different, two different.

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<v Speaker 12>Branches, and withdrawing ten thousand dollars at each branch in

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<v Speaker 12>cash one hundred dollar bills, and then going to a

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<v Speaker 12>P and C bank and he said that I'll open

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<v Speaker 12>an account for you in your name, put this money

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<v Speaker 12>in there and it will be safe. Well it turned

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<v Speaker 12>out it wasn't in her name. It was in his name.

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<v Speaker 8>Very well.

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<v Speaker 6>First, who did he say he was when he called.

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<v Speaker 12>D bank fraud or that's why she fell for it?

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<v Speaker 12>Hook line and sinker? I asked her one of the

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<v Speaker 12>first things I said, So, did you get an email

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<v Speaker 12>from them? Because they don't call you, they will email you.

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<v Speaker 12>That's there that there's something going on. No, I didn't

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<v Speaker 12>get an email. Oh well, that's the first red light

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<v Speaker 12>right there, first red flag.

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<v Speaker 8>There are so.

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<v Speaker 12>Many of them. And let me say one other thing.

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<v Speaker 9>You know why.

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<v Speaker 12>I've called you several times. I called you a couple

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<v Speaker 12>of years ago. I had a water main break in

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<v Speaker 12>our street and uh in Aurora, and uh, you guys

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<v Speaker 12>helped me get everything back. The city of Aurora paid

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<v Speaker 12>for everything. They are our basement fled. I know Mark remembers,

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<v Speaker 12>but anyway.

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<v Speaker 6>I remember that too, James.

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<v Speaker 1>So so Richard, I mean, tell us, tell us what

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<v Speaker 1>you've done since then. I mean, I know you contacted

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<v Speaker 1>Key Bank and they probably just said tough. Uh, that

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<v Speaker 1>was a scam. It wasn't us. Go go talk to

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<v Speaker 1>somebody else.

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<v Speaker 12>Yesterday. Yesterday it was a holiday, but I called. I

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<v Speaker 12>called Key Bank and asked asked for the fraudler and

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<v Speaker 12>I asked them, okay, so are you guys under under

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<v Speaker 12>under federal federal investigation. He said, no, that's a scam.

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<v Speaker 12>And we've heard this scam before. That's not the first

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<v Speaker 12>time this lady has told me about it. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 12>she said, all right, well, I'll give you a UH

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<v Speaker 12>A number and you need to go to a branch

431
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<v Speaker 12>as as soon as you can, UH tomorrow the next day.

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<v Speaker 12>So as soon as I get off work today, I'm

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<v Speaker 12>we're going to go to UH the Key Bank and

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<v Speaker 12>talk to them and get Frobert on the UH on

435
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<v Speaker 12>the phone. Our our accounts right now are froze good

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<v Speaker 12>well in the meantime, in the meantime where one ten

437
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<v Speaker 12>thousand dollars was deposited in his account, then the Zell

438
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<v Speaker 12>started and it before we could get it froze, they

439
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<v Speaker 12>started taking more money out from Zell.

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<v Speaker 9>So somehow how did they get.

441
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<v Speaker 1>The Zell set up? Talk to us about that, so

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<v Speaker 1>listeners call here.

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<v Speaker 12>I have no idea how they got that, but somehow,

444
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<v Speaker 12>some way they have got her. So dialed in I

445
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<v Speaker 12>told her, you're going to need to change your your

446
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<v Speaker 12>phone number, your email, and possibly your name.

447
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<v Speaker 1>So did they already know her account information or did

448
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<v Speaker 1>they just look into the fact that she was a

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<v Speaker 1>Key Bank person.

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<v Speaker 12>I have no idea. I'm guessing it was internal. I'm

451
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<v Speaker 12>guessing that somebody that works at Key Bank was able

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<v Speaker 12>to How else would so One of the questions I

453
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<v Speaker 12>asked my wife, I said, did you give this guy

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<v Speaker 12>because probably what he called is this so and so

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<v Speaker 12>with an account numbers? Or is this so and so?

456
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<v Speaker 12>Can you verify your account number, your your routing number,

457
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<v Speaker 12>and your PIN number? Well, bam, they've got it right now.

458
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<v Speaker 12>I don't know if that's I asked for that. She said, no,

459
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<v Speaker 12>I didn't give him anything. But I'm not buying it.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean, I have been so mad.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, is there enough money left in the account to

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<v Speaker 4>pay for the divorce?

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<v Speaker 1>You want your wife just blew.

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<v Speaker 6>Twenty two dollars?

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<v Speaker 12>Listen, listen. I have told this story about one hundred times,

466
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<v Speaker 12>and I've told people that I'm going to have her committed.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, hey, Richard, have.

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<v Speaker 7>You talked to PNC Bank. It sounds like that that

469
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<v Speaker 7>account was the target of all that cash. Have you

470
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<v Speaker 7>been able to find out who that account belongs to

471
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<v Speaker 7>and what happened to all those deposits that she made

472
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<v Speaker 7>in there?

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<v Speaker 12>They gave her and I've got it on as she

474
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<v Speaker 12>sent me the picture of it. They gave me a

475
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<v Speaker 12>They gave her a receipt for two different depologies. I

476
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<v Speaker 12>think she put it. She put it in the ATM.

477
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<v Speaker 12>He had to it because it's an ATM receipt, and

478
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<v Speaker 12>she said I could only deposit five hundred at the time,

479
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<v Speaker 12>So she got one receipt and then a next receipt

480
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<v Speaker 12>and all this all on that receipt is the last

481
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<v Speaker 12>four of this account number. But PNC has got to

482
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<v Speaker 12>know what when it came through the time, and those

483
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<v Speaker 12>last four numbers, they can find out who it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Richard, hang on, we're going to go to a

485
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<v Speaker 1>break right now. When we come back, we're going to

486
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<v Speaker 1>talk more about some ideas about what to do with

487
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<v Speaker 1>P and C and go from there. Hang on, but.

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<v Speaker 11>Go with a sure thing Denver's Best roofer excel roofing

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<v Speaker 14>You don't pay a cent until you're content.

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<v Speaker 14>one help.

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<v Speaker 11>durand the real estate man dot com to your home

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<v Speaker 11>with Remax Alliance three all three nine two zero sixteen

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<v Speaker 11>twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Good morning, John Fuller here on the Tom

501
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<v Speaker 1>Martino Show, filling in for the next couple of days.

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<v Speaker 1>We are working through some issues here. We're talking to

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<v Speaker 1>Richard and we want to get back into that call

504
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<v Speaker 1>right now. Just a little bit of background. Richard's wife

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<v Speaker 1>got a phone call over the what the last couple

506
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<v Speaker 1>of days here Richard, over the holiday and yesterday yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>the happy New Year, right and great way to start

508
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<v Speaker 1>the year. Yeah, for sure. So Richard, listen, I don't

509
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<v Speaker 1>know if you're going to get any money back, but

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna be hopeful that some combination of talking to

511
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<v Speaker 1>Key Bank and P and C might afford you some

512
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<v Speaker 1>kind of relief. But my bigger concern at this point

513
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<v Speaker 1>is we need to really try to make sure that

514
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<v Speaker 1>this doesn't happen to anybody else and to hear this stingy.

515
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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, a couple of them.

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<v Speaker 10>Go ahead and tell you a couple of other things.

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<v Speaker 12>Let me tell you just a couple of other things

518
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<v Speaker 12>about the story. So I said that it was twenty

519
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<v Speaker 12>two thousand dollars. Okay, it could have been twenty two

520
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<v Speaker 12>thousand dollars. I've got ten thousand dollars in an envelope

521
00:28:16.039 --> 00:28:18.559
<v Speaker 12>stepping it home in one hundred dollar bills. Because I

522
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<v Speaker 12>was finally able to get a hold of her, I

523
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<v Speaker 12>called her twenty five times and texted her and she

524
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<v Speaker 12>would not answer.

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<v Speaker 15>I knew she.

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<v Speaker 12>Left the house because the garage door alert came over

527
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<v Speaker 12>my phone. I thought maybe she was just going to

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<v Speaker 12>see Richard.

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<v Speaker 1>Why didn't she?

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<v Speaker 7>Did you ask her why she didn't answer any of

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<v Speaker 7>those twenty five calls?

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<v Speaker 9>Yes, I absolutely, And what did she say?

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<v Speaker 16>So?

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<v Speaker 12>She said, my husband's on the phone. That can I

535
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<v Speaker 12>call you back? The guy that was on the phone

536
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<v Speaker 12>with her, and he was on the phone with.

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<v Speaker 9>Her the entire time she.

538
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<v Speaker 12>Was in the car making withdrawals, he told her, well, no,

539
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<v Speaker 12>you can't hang up on me because if we if

540
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<v Speaker 12>we disconnect, you might not be able to get back

541
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<v Speaker 12>to me and your money will be gone. That the investigations,

542
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<v Speaker 12>they'll freeze your money and you won't have access to it.

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<v Speaker 9>So she felt for that. So there's another quick.

544
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<v Speaker 12>Little story about why she finally answered. I told her

545
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<v Speaker 12>the garage door was left open, the dogs got out,

546
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<v Speaker 12>they got squished. Your daughter's there crying, trying to figure

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<v Speaker 12>out what to do with the dogs that I told her,

548
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<v Speaker 12>get a snowshovel and a box and pick them up.

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<v Speaker 12>Gess what happened next?

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<v Speaker 1>Go ahead? Can't wait?

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<v Speaker 6>She called?

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<v Speaker 9>She called me, so you had tried to make up?

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<v Speaker 1>So your dog is okay? Right?

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<v Speaker 12>I told her the dogs are fine. I needed to

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<v Speaker 12>make up a story to make her cry. I'm sorry

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<v Speaker 12>I did, but I couldn't think of any other way

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<v Speaker 12>for her.

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<v Speaker 9>Called me, So what happened then?

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<v Speaker 1>So wait a second, hold on.

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<v Speaker 12>You'll have ten thousand dollars? Yes, go ahead?

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<v Speaker 1>So I just want to clarify she only withdrew ten

562
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<v Speaker 1>grand or she withdrew twenty, but she only passed ten

563
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<v Speaker 1>off to the P and C bank twelve right, okay?

564
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<v Speaker 12>Correct? And the other two thousand dollars was done electronically

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<v Speaker 12>through which we are still trying to get into our

566
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<v Speaker 12>account right now, because we're getting emails. I got another

567
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<v Speaker 12>one at four thirty this morning from a key bank

568
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<v Speaker 12>fraud that somebody was trying to take fifty dollars out

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<v Speaker 12>of our account. And it's been four or five different

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<v Speaker 12>people's names. I don't know if it's the same person

571
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<v Speaker 12>or not, but they can't do anything because the account

572
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<v Speaker 12>is pro well.

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<v Speaker 1>How are these people initiating zeal transactions to pull money

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<v Speaker 1>out of your account?

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<v Speaker 12>No idea, I do not know, Okay, And this is

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<v Speaker 12>exactly why I'm calling is a PSA to make sure

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<v Speaker 12>that nobody else goes through this. So now my question

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<v Speaker 12>to move by question I got, I got ten thousand

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<v Speaker 12>dollars in cash, Hey, a one hundred dollar bills. I'm

580
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<v Speaker 12>going to I'm going to go to it. So my

581
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<v Speaker 12>question is is I'm going to go to a different

582
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<v Speaker 12>bank as soon as I get off work and open

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<v Speaker 12>up another account so that we can have an ATM.

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<v Speaker 17>This this thing, this whole.

585
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<v Speaker 9>Thing is gonna snowball so bad.

586
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<v Speaker 12>Because I've got direct withdrawals, I've got direct deposits that

587
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:15.799
<v Speaker 12>we have to take care of. Right, It's just and

588
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:18.839
<v Speaker 12>then some of that stuff doesn't get to them soon

589
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<v Speaker 12>enough when they when they go to make it with drawl.

590
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<v Speaker 12>Then I've got late payments and I've been through this before, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Richard, We'll be right back to answer that question

592
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<v Speaker 1>and more in just a moment.

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<v Speaker 11>Hang on, Thanks, go with a sure thing Denver's best

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<v Speaker 11>roofer Excel Roofing dot com.

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<v Speaker 14>You don't pay a cent until you're content.

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<v Speaker 11>comparison call Compass Insurance. Pay too much your coverage at

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<v Speaker 11>three all three nine two zero sixteen twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, welcome back John Fuller here sitting in for Tom

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<v Speaker 1>and Mark today with my illustrious staff of Dimitri, Doc

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<v Speaker 1>and BO. We've been talking to Richard for a while. Richard.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to wrap this up, but I want to

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<v Speaker 1>get to to just kind of the main important points

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<v Speaker 1>here is that you know, going forward, I mean, nobody

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<v Speaker 1>should ever ever ever give personal information to somebody that

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<v Speaker 1>calls you from your bank, from your doctor, from your

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<v Speaker 1>insurance company. From anybody, you should always say thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for the information, hang up and call your bank doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever it is, independently yourself. Listen, there is no circumstance

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<v Speaker 1>where any fraud investigation is ever going to require you

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<v Speaker 1>to take money out in cash. You're not going to

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<v Speaker 1>have to take it to a different bank, You're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to have to wrap it in tenfoil, You're not

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<v Speaker 1>going to have to do any of these crazy things.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you're being told something to the contrary, then

620
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<v Speaker 1>you're being misled. And I hate to put it, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to put it any any more harshly

622
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<v Speaker 1>than that, but you're being misled and you've got to

623
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<v Speaker 1>protect yourself. So, Richard, I'm glad that you were able

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<v Speaker 1>to save the spending of the second ten thousand. I

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<v Speaker 1>would shut down every single aspect of my relationship with

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<v Speaker 1>Key Bank, and I would go to a different bank

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<v Speaker 1>and open up things entirely, and I would put really

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<v Speaker 1>really complex passwords and codes and questions and everything else

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<v Speaker 1>on there, and and good luck, and.

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<v Speaker 7>Don't tell your wife the new passwords and pin numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sorry about that, Richard. You were saying, what don

632
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<v Speaker 1>that is?

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<v Speaker 12>Exactly what I'm going to do, and the reason that

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<v Speaker 12>I'm doing this is because of Tom and Mark, and

635
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<v Speaker 12>I've listened to other people both through this situation before.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. So unfortunately it hits home now and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sorry for that loss. But Richard, thank you for sharing

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<v Speaker 1>that with us. I'm sure that there's been plenty of

639
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<v Speaker 1>other people that are listening that are here in the

640
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<v Speaker 1>same phone calls, and you probably are helping some of

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<v Speaker 1>them today. So thanks for the call. Moving along, here,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got Mike that's been holding for a while. Mike,

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<v Speaker 1>what is going on with you? Sir? Hey, here's my wife.

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<v Speaker 17>I have to go to an appointment, so here she is.

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<v Speaker 9>Okay, Hi, can you hear me?

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<v Speaker 1>I can? What's your name?

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<v Speaker 4>Hi?

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<v Speaker 16>My name is Denise.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey Denise, this is John. What's going on?

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<v Speaker 6>Hi?

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<v Speaker 18>John?

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<v Speaker 12>Okay.

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<v Speaker 16>So November second, we went to Boston rented a car

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<v Speaker 16>through Dollar Rental Car and we already said nope, we

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<v Speaker 16>do not want that. Told thing, we're not paying for that,

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<v Speaker 16>and we declined that service. And so then when we

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<v Speaker 16>finally returned the car in December, December second or so,

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<v Speaker 16>and I got my receipt from the place and it's

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<v Speaker 16>sure enough. It didn't say anything on there that we

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<v Speaker 16>all with anything for the coal. It just said, you know,

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<v Speaker 16>one hundred and sixty five of your bound And then

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<v Speaker 16>about a month or three weeks after that, we got

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<v Speaker 16>this charge on a credit card that we saw it

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<v Speaker 16>on our bill. They didn't send us the bill, but anyway,

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<v Speaker 16>I called up well car Ago and I says, I

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<v Speaker 16>want to dispute that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Donna, I can tell you that is one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>percent normal. That happens every time you go through tolls.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate you holding. We got to run right now.

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<v Speaker 2>as fast as we can. Shooter's gonna help coming.

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<v Speaker 3>Man Dix is the Troubleshooter Show. Now Tom Martino, Good

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<v Speaker 3>morning Denver.

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<v Speaker 1>This is John Fuller filling in for Tom Martino today

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<v Speaker 1>on The Martino Show. I am gonna be here today

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<v Speaker 1>and tomorrow. I am a personal injury attorney here in Denver,

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<v Speaker 1>have been for the last twenty uh twenty three years

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere in there, sitting here with Deputies Dimitri, Doc and Bose.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a full house. We are here to help

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<v Speaker 1>you solve problems and deal with the issues that come

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<v Speaker 1>up from day to day. We urge you to give

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<v Speaker 1>us a call. We can talk about anything and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we were just finishing up with Denise on the

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<v Speaker 1>other line, and Denise was talking about having rented a

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<v Speaker 1>car from Dollar rent a car in Boston and she

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<v Speaker 1>did not opt to include the tolls and was shocked

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<v Speaker 1>to get a credit card receipt or charge some two

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<v Speaker 1>or three months later that included all the tolls that

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<v Speaker 1>she had incurred in her trip to Boston. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>is that accurate, Denise?

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<v Speaker 16>I'm not really I mentioned okay, I didn't mention that

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<v Speaker 16>we brought our own We have our own easy paths.

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<v Speaker 16>And we told the guy, I said, I got my

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<v Speaker 16>own easy path. We're going to stick it on this

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<v Speaker 16>window of this rental car, and then that's going to

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<v Speaker 16>get charged to us. And so they knew that, and.

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<v Speaker 9>Then uh, we get that bill.

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<v Speaker 16>So then when I called Wells Fargo because I said, gee,

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<v Speaker 16>they charged me even though they charged me on my

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<v Speaker 16>other thing, my easy path. And so she said, well,

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<v Speaker 16>did you say you wanted to get charged? I said, no,

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<v Speaker 16>I declined it. She said, well, I said, I'd like

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<v Speaker 16>to dispute it. She said, oh, I'm sorry. I cannot

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<v Speaker 16>do this as a dispute. I have to do it

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<v Speaker 16>as fraud that they committed fraud on you. I said,

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<v Speaker 16>oh boy, I says, well, what's going.

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<v Speaker 9>To happen with my bill?

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<v Speaker 16>I mean, I don't want these people coming after me

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<v Speaker 16>because they made me change my credit card and everything.

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<v Speaker 16>They closed it down and sent us new credit cards.

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<v Speaker 16>So well, I'll concern now is what is dollar going to.

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<v Speaker 17>Do to us?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? Well, let me ask you a couple questions. So

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<v Speaker 1>what how much money are we talking about here? Denise?

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start there.

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<v Speaker 16>It wasn't much, how much, only like fifty five dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so here's what I know about these easy Pass

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<v Speaker 1>things and stuff, just because I've recently gone through this

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<v Speaker 1>got I bought a vehicle not too long ago and

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<v Speaker 1>had a temporary tag on it for a while, and

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<v Speaker 1>I had, you know, called the Express told people, now,

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<v Speaker 1>this is Colorado, but it's almost a national thing. Now

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<v Speaker 1>there's reciprocity, and they all kind of work the same way.

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<v Speaker 1>What I didn't know was that it's not enough to

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<v Speaker 1>just have a pass that is an active pass. There

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<v Speaker 1>has to be the pass and the license plate have

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<v Speaker 1>to actually jive up in their system, or else you

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<v Speaker 1>run the risk of them saying this license plate went

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<v Speaker 1>through without paying a toll, and your easy Pass went

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<v Speaker 1>through and did pay a toll. But they don't connect

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<v Speaker 1>the dots to where they know that the license and

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<v Speaker 1>the easy pass are one and the same. And the

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<v Speaker 1>only way to do that is to call up and

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<v Speaker 1>add that plate to your easy pass account. Now did

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<v Speaker 1>you do that? Do that?

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<v Speaker 10>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you added the plate of the rental car to

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<v Speaker 1>your easy pass account. Yes, Why have you not contacted

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<v Speaker 1>the easy pass people to say what is going on here?

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<v Speaker 1>I did?

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<v Speaker 16>I did contact them and they sent me they said

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<v Speaker 16>their receipt from December they won't come out until January

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<v Speaker 16>and for me to call them to have them send

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<v Speaker 16>me a receipt for that too, Okay, so then I'll

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<v Speaker 16>be getting that receipt. And but yeah, I mean, and

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<v Speaker 16>everything went through, so that's they knew. They knew about

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<v Speaker 16>the other car because I took my own car off

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<v Speaker 16>of it when I called, you know, I took the

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<v Speaker 16>I did it online actually because when we got there

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<v Speaker 16>it was late, they were closed, so I did it

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<v Speaker 16>online because I have my you know, password and all that, so,

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<v Speaker 16>you know, and then I put my my normal car

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<v Speaker 16>back on it when we went back home.

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<v Speaker 1>Are they telling you that they're going to resolve this

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<v Speaker 1>in January when the billing comes.

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<v Speaker 16>Out, Well, I don't know, but they said, no, you're

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<v Speaker 16>you paid, and so I don't think it's through them.

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<v Speaker 16>I think it's through Dollar that who I'm afraid is

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<v Speaker 16>going to be setting us a bills, Like I.

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<v Speaker 1>Think you're right it is. Dollar. Dollar is the one

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<v Speaker 1>that's going to get the invoice from the rental car

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<v Speaker 1>company or from the easy Pass people, and they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to turn around and pass that through. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it's through the easy pass people or through Dollar.

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<v Speaker 1>You're you're probably better served to deal with Dollar, I

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<v Speaker 1>would think in this case. But but I would never

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<v Speaker 1>call my own credit card and say the word fraud

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<v Speaker 1>unless I actually thought there was some fraud going on,

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<v Speaker 1>because what you experienced me the word ford.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, but I didn't say it.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like you said something that rhyme with it

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<v Speaker 1>or something, because I guess once they once they push

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<v Speaker 1>that button and they issue the new cards, everything down

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<v Speaker 1>that road, you're all of your auto pays. Everything else

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<v Speaker 1>is history.

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<v Speaker 16>Everything I know. I was like, I didn't say fraud.

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<v Speaker 16>Let me just change that to dispute. Sorry, you already

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<v Speaker 16>said you told them.

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<v Speaker 8>No.

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<v Speaker 16>I was like, oh my goodness, Yeah, next time, what

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<v Speaker 16>to say to that lady?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, be careful with that one.

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<v Speaker 16>Yeah yeah, So I guess what I'll do. You can

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<v Speaker 16>never talk to a human on Dollar, and none of

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<v Speaker 16>their websites actually take you anywhere. It says, oh, press

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<v Speaker 16>this button, then it says sorry, this this site doesn't work.

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<v Speaker 16>So they are impossible to even speak to a human

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<v Speaker 16>or even get their websites to work.

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<v Speaker 1>So I guess I feel your pain, Denise, truly feel

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<v Speaker 1>your pain. Any ideas, guys, of any other avenue that

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<v Speaker 1>she may pursue.

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<v Speaker 7>I think she's done everything she possibly could. She even

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, I would if you're really worried about dollar

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<v Speaker 7>coming after you for fifty bucks, write them and break

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<v Speaker 7>them a nice letter or yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Just send a copy of the receipt from an easy

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<v Speaker 4>pass two dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's really not a bad idea to communicate in writing.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that it seems kind of old fashion and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>but it it. Oftentimes it's just something that they have

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<v Speaker 1>to deal with and they'll it seems like they walk

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<v Speaker 1>around in circles till they find a live person to

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<v Speaker 1>hand your letter to. So that may be the best

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<v Speaker 1>avenue that you could take here. But all in all,

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<v Speaker 1>be thankful it's only fifty bucks. And you know, in

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<v Speaker 1>the future, I don't know. I travel quite a bit

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<v Speaker 1>and use rental cards and I always just opt for

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<v Speaker 1>the the you know, the paths that I can get

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<v Speaker 1>from the rental agency. It just makes life simple and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have the problem of trying to track them

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<v Speaker 1>down two or three months later when the bill finally

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<v Speaker 1>came out. So sorry about that for you there, Denise,

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<v Speaker 1>but thanks for sharing it. With us. We're going to

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<v Speaker 1>move along here. James, you've got an issue with your transmission.

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<v Speaker 1>What's going on? James, say again, where's Tom? I think

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<v Speaker 1>he was asking if Tom is in jail? Is that

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<v Speaker 1>what you said? James?

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<v Speaker 17>What's that?

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<v Speaker 7>What was your question about Tom?

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<v Speaker 18>I have somebody mechanic has a shop Alex Automotive. I

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<v Speaker 18>spend thirty five dollars on a rebuilt transmission, and it's

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<v Speaker 18>I took the car back three times, which is for

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<v Speaker 18>the same problem, the same cold.

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<v Speaker 1>So what's the problem with it? James.

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<v Speaker 18>It's like the sylenoid of something with the transmission. So

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<v Speaker 18>he gave me a one year warranty. I've been to

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<v Speaker 18>three times about the same problem, and you know, I

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<v Speaker 18>just want my money back. If you guys can help

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<v Speaker 18>me out, I'll just take it to somebody else.

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<v Speaker 12>But yeah, I had asked him.

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<v Speaker 18>I said this is the third time, and I want

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<v Speaker 18>my money back, and he said he wasn't going.

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<v Speaker 12>To give me my money back. I had got.

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<v Speaker 18>A couple opinions and they had said that I didn't

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<v Speaker 18>even need a rebuild transmission. I only have one hundred

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<v Speaker 18>and thirty four thousand miles on this two thousand and

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<v Speaker 18>two Cadillac.

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<v Speaker 1>So how long have you had the new trainee in

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<v Speaker 1>the car. Has it been almost a whole year?

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<v Speaker 18>We're about I'm at work right now, but but I

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<v Speaker 18>think it's been about maybe four months.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Okay. And each time you take it back, does

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<v Speaker 1>he fix it?

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<v Speaker 18>He did the second time, but about two weeks later

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<v Speaker 18>that cold came back up again. And yeah, for the

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<v Speaker 18>same problem.

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<v Speaker 5>James did he James, this is bo dead Alex Automotive

858
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:06.519
<v Speaker 5>candor over a warranty on this transmission.

859
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<v Speaker 1>Work to you?

860
00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:07.400
<v Speaker 18>Yes, sir, he did.

861
00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:09.920
<v Speaker 5>What was the terms of the warranty.

862
00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:15.559
<v Speaker 18>The second excuse was is that the car needs a computer?

863
00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:21.119
<v Speaker 5>And what about the terms of the warranty six months

864
00:45:21.159 --> 00:45:21.440
<v Speaker 5>a year?

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<v Speaker 18>Yeah, whatever, he fixed and if I have any issues

866
00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:29.280
<v Speaker 18>with it, I take it back within a year.

867
00:45:30.480 --> 00:45:32.960
<v Speaker 7>So it's been back, if I understand you correct what James.

868
00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:35.840
<v Speaker 7>Listen to me, shri It's been back three times, is

869
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:36.360
<v Speaker 7>that right?

870
00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:39.079
<v Speaker 18>I've had the code come up. I didn't take it

871
00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:41.519
<v Speaker 18>back the third time because I'm calling you.

872
00:45:41.960 --> 00:45:42.880
<v Speaker 1>Okay.

873
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:47.440
<v Speaker 18>Hey, he just he's just kind of like, isn't concerned.

874
00:45:47.559 --> 00:45:50.440
<v Speaker 18>He gives a person the opinion that he's not concerned

875
00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:53.559
<v Speaker 18>about you. Know the car or his work.

876
00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:58.519
<v Speaker 7>So have you considered taking it to a different mechanic

877
00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:00.960
<v Speaker 7>to get the issue diagnosed host once and for all.

878
00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:04.920
<v Speaker 7>It doesn't sound like this guy is really trustworthy. And John,

879
00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:07.239
<v Speaker 7>don't we have somebody on the refer with somebody comes

880
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:08.719
<v Speaker 7>on Fridays.

881
00:46:08.280 --> 00:46:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Kim camer We should get transmission.

882
00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:12.960
<v Speaker 7>It would be great to talk to talk to them

883
00:46:12.960 --> 00:46:14.519
<v Speaker 7>about your transmission problem.

884
00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's do that, James. Now, let's say if you

885
00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:22.480
<v Speaker 1>can get camera on the phone. Okay, thanks James. Peggy,

886
00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:26.119
<v Speaker 1>you are live on the Troubleshooter Show. This is John Fuller.

887
00:46:26.119 --> 00:46:30.480
<v Speaker 1>How can I help you? Peggy? Are you there?

888
00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:33.159
<v Speaker 19>I'm here, Yes? Can you hear me?

889
00:46:33.239 --> 00:46:34.400
<v Speaker 1>Yes, ma'am? What's going on?

890
00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:41.000
<v Speaker 19>I have an issue with a moving company. It's kind

891
00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:43.199
<v Speaker 19>of long. I'll make it, you know, as short as

892
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:48.840
<v Speaker 19>I possibly can. So I had to sell my rental

893
00:46:49.079 --> 00:46:52.920
<v Speaker 19>property in Denver after my father passed away, and I

894
00:46:52.960 --> 00:46:55.440
<v Speaker 19>had a piano, a very old piano, like a hundred

895
00:46:55.519 --> 00:46:58.559
<v Speaker 19>year old piano in the basement that I was giving

896
00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:01.480
<v Speaker 19>to my friend. So I call moving company. I just

897
00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:03.480
<v Speaker 19>googled and should I say the name.

898
00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:04.320
<v Speaker 6>Of the company?

899
00:47:03.880 --> 00:47:04.920
<v Speaker 1>Yea, what the heck?

900
00:47:06.159 --> 00:47:08.559
<v Speaker 19>So I googled it, and so all my sons came up,

901
00:47:08.599 --> 00:47:12.199
<v Speaker 19>because hey, all my sons. So I called them, and

902
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:14.280
<v Speaker 19>a little did I know they weren't a local company.

903
00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:18.920
<v Speaker 19>Dallas Corporation had bought them out. And so when I called,

904
00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:22.360
<v Speaker 19>I got some representative down in Dallas. Told them what

905
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:25.000
<v Speaker 19>I needed, and he said it would be six hundred

906
00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:27.679
<v Speaker 19>and twenty five dollars or something like that. And I said, oh, okay,

907
00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:31.119
<v Speaker 19>that sounds pretty good. And then I called another company

908
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:33.840
<v Speaker 19>and they were about the same price. So I thought, well,

909
00:47:33.880 --> 00:47:36.159
<v Speaker 19>I've already booked something with all my friends, all go

910
00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:39.280
<v Speaker 19>ahead and keep it. So I told them, I said,

911
00:47:39.320 --> 00:47:42.079
<v Speaker 19>this is a very old piano, the harp in their's breath.

912
00:47:42.199 --> 00:47:45.679
<v Speaker 19>It's solid, it's very heavy. You need to send plenty

913
00:47:45.719 --> 00:47:48.159
<v Speaker 19>of big, strong guys because we have scares to go

914
00:47:48.280 --> 00:47:49.079
<v Speaker 19>up from the basement.

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00:47:49.159 --> 00:47:51.280
<v Speaker 1>I think I know where this is going. Peggy, hang on,

916
00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:52.800
<v Speaker 1>we got to take a break right now. We'll be

917
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:54.599
<v Speaker 1>right back to hear the rest of your story.

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<v Speaker 11>Okay, So with a sure thing Denver's Best roofer excel

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<v Speaker 11>durand the real estate Man dot com to list your

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<v Speaker 11>home with Remax Alliance three all three nine two zero

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<v Speaker 1>All right, John Fuller, back with you on the Martino

931
00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:43.480
<v Speaker 1>Troubleshooter Show. Here I am filling in for Tom and

932
00:48:43.519 --> 00:48:46.360
<v Speaker 1>Mark today. We're doing our best to address your issues

933
00:48:46.400 --> 00:48:50.920
<v Speaker 1>and solve your problems. We had James on the line

934
00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:53.800
<v Speaker 1>who's been holding with a transmission issue, and we've got

935
00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:56.559
<v Speaker 1>Jeff Vic on the phone. Jeff, how you doing today.

936
00:48:57.639 --> 00:48:58.880
<v Speaker 15>I'm doing well, happening on.

937
00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:00.679
<v Speaker 1>That great Happy New Year to you as well. So

938
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:02.960
<v Speaker 1>James is on the line here, I'm going to turn

939
00:49:03.000 --> 00:49:05.199
<v Speaker 1>it over to James. He's got a transmission that was

940
00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:08.079
<v Speaker 1>replaced in a vehicle and it had a one year

941
00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:10.360
<v Speaker 1>warranty and he's had to take it back two times.

942
00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:12.159
<v Speaker 1>He's now on kind of the third time for the

943
00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:15.440
<v Speaker 1>same issue. He's growing frustrated. Was hoping that you could

944
00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:17.599
<v Speaker 1>talk to him about the issues that may be going on,

945
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:21.159
<v Speaker 1>and what's happening, James, are you there, yes, sir, So

946
00:49:21.880 --> 00:49:25.079
<v Speaker 1>James explained to Jeff exactly what the problem is. It

947
00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:26.880
<v Speaker 1>keeps popping up on this transmission.

948
00:49:27.159 --> 00:49:28.239
<v Speaker 17>Okay, I'm not.

949
00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:33.239
<v Speaker 18>A mechanic, so it's a cylinder something that goals that's

950
00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:38.679
<v Speaker 18>connected to the transmission. I've had the cold come back

951
00:49:38.719 --> 00:49:45.599
<v Speaker 18>three times, twice after he had serviced the transmission, the

952
00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:50.559
<v Speaker 18>mechanic Alex, and I just the second time, I just

953
00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:53.159
<v Speaker 18>ask him, you know, I just wow my money back.

954
00:49:53.559 --> 00:49:58.920
<v Speaker 18>You know, my stepson works for a small shop. He

955
00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:00.599
<v Speaker 18>hasn't been a mechanic for a long time.

956
00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:03.519
<v Speaker 14>He told me that it.

957
00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:08.079
<v Speaker 18>Seemed like his opinion was that they were in a

958
00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:11.679
<v Speaker 18>hurry to put the transmission back together, so a lot

959
00:50:11.719 --> 00:50:17.679
<v Speaker 18>of it wasn't connected, including the cruise control all right.

960
00:50:18.159 --> 00:50:21.199
<v Speaker 18>So that's just, you know, one of the issues.

961
00:50:21.679 --> 00:50:22.920
<v Speaker 9>And I'm just you know, this.

962
00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:25.360
<v Speaker 18>Is the code came back for the for the third

963
00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:28.760
<v Speaker 18>time for the same problem, and you know, I just

964
00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:32.440
<v Speaker 18>need some help if somebody can, uh so I could

965
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:33.440
<v Speaker 18>get my money back.

966
00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:36.119
<v Speaker 15>What code or codeses are storing?

967
00:50:37.559 --> 00:50:37.760
<v Speaker 1>Sir?

968
00:50:37.800 --> 00:50:39.960
<v Speaker 18>I'm not I'm not at home right now. I'm at

969
00:50:39.960 --> 00:50:47.320
<v Speaker 18>work and the cylinder, cylinder something with the transmission, and uh,

970
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:50.079
<v Speaker 18>it just this is the third time that particular code

971
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<v Speaker 18>had came up.

972
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<v Speaker 1>James Again, that's a Cadillac, is it?

973
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<v Speaker 18>Or yes, sir, it's a two thousand and one Cadillac

974
00:50:57.239 --> 00:51:01.599
<v Speaker 18>al Dorado. It had one hundred thirty four thousand miles

975
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:05.079
<v Speaker 18>on it. And I was told by teach Separate mechanics

976
00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:09.000
<v Speaker 18>the car really didn't even need a rebuild transmission.

977
00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:11.559
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's a lot of that's.

978
00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:13.480
<v Speaker 18>A lot of money, thirty five hundred dollars, that's a

979
00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:15.719
<v Speaker 18>lot of money just to you know, keep going back

980
00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:19.559
<v Speaker 18>to this person, and you know, it's it is frustrating.

981
00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:22.360
<v Speaker 15>It's easy to say it didn't need it after the

982
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:25.079
<v Speaker 15>sack unless they you know, unless they were able to

983
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:28.000
<v Speaker 15>look at it prior to the overhaul. And I can't

984
00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:29.599
<v Speaker 15>say that they know that for sure. I mean, you

985
00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:33.000
<v Speaker 15>keep saying cylinder, Does it mean solenoid or is it

986
00:51:33.039 --> 00:51:34.480
<v Speaker 15>actually a cylinder code?

987
00:51:34.960 --> 00:51:37.760
<v Speaker 18>They actually the transmission, Well.

988
00:51:37.639 --> 00:51:40.159
<v Speaker 15>It would it would be a solenoid if it was

989
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:41.880
<v Speaker 15>a right related to the transmission.

990
00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:45.199
<v Speaker 18>And that's so, yes, that that doesn't have the doubles.

991
00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:47.119
<v Speaker 15>With the solenoids on those fourty eights. They added a

992
00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:52.039
<v Speaker 15>bad tendency to break where they actually go into the

993
00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:54.519
<v Speaker 15>reports and they will call them to leak off there.

994
00:51:54.840 --> 00:51:57.079
<v Speaker 15>There's an update that goes in there where it actually

995
00:51:57.119 --> 00:51:59.280
<v Speaker 15>has a metal bracket that holds them together more to

996
00:51:59.360 --> 00:52:01.800
<v Speaker 15>prevent it from the future. As far as we were

997
00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:03.960
<v Speaker 15>talking about as a cruise control and everything else, I mean,

998
00:52:04.320 --> 00:52:07.159
<v Speaker 15>it sounds like a sloppy installation, but without looking at it,

999
00:52:07.199 --> 00:52:08.719
<v Speaker 15>I don't know the.

1000
00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:14.239
<v Speaker 18>Air conditioner, there was some wires wiring that was not connected.

1001
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:19.079
<v Speaker 18>He'd put cape on some of the wiring, some electrical cape.

1002
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:22.880
<v Speaker 18>I don't know what that was for. But yeah, it's

1003
00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:26.440
<v Speaker 18>it sounds like a sloppy and looks like a sloppy job.

1004
00:52:26.639 --> 00:52:30.039
<v Speaker 1>Hey, Jeff, what advice would you give James for moving forward?

1005
00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Where does he need to go from here?

1006
00:52:32.400 --> 00:52:34.000
<v Speaker 15>Well, I mean it'd be best if you could result

1007
00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:35.800
<v Speaker 15>it with him, but I mean, at very least, you know,

1008
00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:37.639
<v Speaker 15>to get into somebody like me, Well, we can at

1009
00:52:37.719 --> 00:52:39.440
<v Speaker 15>least look at the installation and see whether or not

1010
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:42.480
<v Speaker 15>all of the damage they're seeing is actually related to

1011
00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:44.159
<v Speaker 15>their work, or if it looks like it was done

1012
00:52:44.199 --> 00:52:46.039
<v Speaker 15>prior to and they're just taking the blame for it.

1013
00:52:46.960 --> 00:52:48.519
<v Speaker 15>To take a look and see what these codes are.

1014
00:52:48.880 --> 00:52:50.599
<v Speaker 15>It'd be nice to know the actual way to see

1015
00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:53.880
<v Speaker 15>the codes. Just because you have check engine light come

1016
00:52:53.880 --> 00:52:55.320
<v Speaker 15>on does not mean that it's going to be the

1017
00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:58.199
<v Speaker 15>same code of Econore's multiple codes of what cause that?

1018
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:04.880
<v Speaker 18>Oh it's the same code that comes up. But the

1019
00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:09.159
<v Speaker 18>second time I went to him, he said that that

1020
00:53:09.280 --> 00:53:11.480
<v Speaker 18>I would need a computer for the car.

1021
00:53:13.039 --> 00:53:15.199
<v Speaker 9>Well, what does that have to do with the transmission?

1022
00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:18.320
<v Speaker 18>So that's a separate issue from this code.

1023
00:53:18.559 --> 00:53:20.719
<v Speaker 15>This basically well, I don't know that it does or

1024
00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:23.079
<v Speaker 15>doesn't because I haven't looked at it, But I mean

1025
00:53:23.119 --> 00:53:26.400
<v Speaker 15>computers will obviously, you know with the computer control transmission.

1026
00:53:26.599 --> 00:53:30.119
<v Speaker 15>They do effective whether they work again, you know, getting

1027
00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:32.800
<v Speaker 15>another set of eyes on it, you know, no offense

1028
00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:34.320
<v Speaker 15>I got. I think he said it was your son

1029
00:53:34.400 --> 00:53:36.039
<v Speaker 15>or your son in law that also works at a shop.

1030
00:53:36.360 --> 00:53:38.480
<v Speaker 15>But that's a biased opinion. Let's get it in someplace

1031
00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:41.679
<v Speaker 15>where you know, somebody like myself or the guys will

1032
00:53:41.880 --> 00:53:44.079
<v Speaker 15>budget and you know, take a look at it. There's

1033
00:53:44.159 --> 00:53:47.199
<v Speaker 15>this installation actually really poor, or with some of the

1034
00:53:47.239 --> 00:53:49.440
<v Speaker 15>spider damage that they're just taking the plank. What's the

1035
00:53:49.519 --> 00:53:51.400
<v Speaker 15>actual code and what's the procedure we need.

1036
00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:52.000
<v Speaker 20>To do forward?

1037
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:53.800
<v Speaker 1>James, are you okay with that plan?

1038
00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:58.280
<v Speaker 7>Can you engage camera transmissions for a diagnostic service on this.

1039
00:53:58.599 --> 00:54:02.079
<v Speaker 18>On this thing you're I'm pretty sure that you're familiar

1040
00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:04.719
<v Speaker 18>when you take your car to a shop, the dynostic

1041
00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:05.800
<v Speaker 18>is not free anymore.

1042
00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:09.400
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, well, it's worth the investment. I mean, you already

1043
00:54:09.440 --> 00:54:11.039
<v Speaker 7>dropped three and a half jees in to this thing

1044
00:54:11.480 --> 00:54:14.559
<v Speaker 7>and it's still not working. So let's invest a little

1045
00:54:14.599 --> 00:54:17.480
<v Speaker 7>bit more into proper diagnostics service with a trust the

1046
00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:18.559
<v Speaker 7>transmission store.

1047
00:54:19.360 --> 00:54:21.599
<v Speaker 18>All right, So can you do me a favor and

1048
00:54:21.840 --> 00:54:23.440
<v Speaker 18>email me a shop?

1049
00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:26.360
<v Speaker 4>Thank you, Jay, but I will give you We'll give

1050
00:54:26.400 --> 00:54:30.960
<v Speaker 4>you Jeff's number. Yeah, go ahead, three oho three six

1051
00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:35.639
<v Speaker 4>nine three one four zero zero. That's chemera Transmission. Give

1052
00:54:35.679 --> 00:54:37.440
<v Speaker 4>them a call. They'll definitely take a look at it

1053
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:39.280
<v Speaker 4>and give you an unbiased opinion.

1054
00:54:39.920 --> 00:54:40.880
<v Speaker 1>These guys are the best.

1055
00:54:41.719 --> 00:54:42.920
<v Speaker 18>All right, Thank you guys.

1056
00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:45.280
<v Speaker 1>There you go, James, report back to us afterwards. Okay,

1057
00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:49.639
<v Speaker 1>thank you, Jeff, thank you. Hey, We're going to uh

1058
00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:51.880
<v Speaker 1>move right along here. We've got a number of people

1059
00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:54.239
<v Speaker 1>that have been holding for for some time.

1060
00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:54.519
<v Speaker 2>Here.

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00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:57.760
<v Speaker 1>This is the Troubleshooter Network. I'm John Fuller. We're next

1062
00:54:57.880 --> 00:55:00.960
<v Speaker 1>going to talk to Peggy. You've got the issue. We

1063
00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:04.880
<v Speaker 1>started to talk about your piano. You were moving the

1064
00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:09.320
<v Speaker 1>piano to I understood to be a fairly short moved

1065
00:55:09.440 --> 00:55:12.000
<v Speaker 1>to a friend or something local. Is that right?

1066
00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:14.119
<v Speaker 19>Yeah, it's like five miles there.

1067
00:55:14.199 --> 00:55:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so tell us what happened with the piano. You

1068
00:55:16.599 --> 00:55:20.000
<v Speaker 1>had a heavy brass piece in there. What happened next?

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00:55:21.400 --> 00:55:27.239
<v Speaker 19>Okay, so they sent three movers who I'm thinking, Okay, Well,

1070
00:55:29.519 --> 00:55:33.320
<v Speaker 19>they looked at this piano, they tried to move it

1071
00:55:33.360 --> 00:55:36.239
<v Speaker 19>across the floor and went, this is really heavy. We're

1072
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:38.079
<v Speaker 19>gonna have a hard time. He ended up the stairs

1073
00:55:38.480 --> 00:55:43.360
<v Speaker 19>and I said, I told you to send five big guys.

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00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:45.599
<v Speaker 16>And they didn't.

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00:55:45.840 --> 00:55:48.199
<v Speaker 9>So and I'm paying these.

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00:55:48.079 --> 00:55:50.960
<v Speaker 19>People by the hours after you pay the first quote,

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00:55:50.960 --> 00:55:53.880
<v Speaker 19>which was six hundred dollars, right, and so then I'm

1078
00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:56.119
<v Speaker 19>paying it took him. Well, first of all, let me

1079
00:55:56.159 --> 00:56:01.519
<v Speaker 19>back up. They moved my window around. They never called

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00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:04.559
<v Speaker 19>to tell me any of this stuff. I'm the one

1081
00:56:04.599 --> 00:56:06.519
<v Speaker 19>that had to do all the calling. The movers were

1082
00:56:06.599 --> 00:56:07.840
<v Speaker 19>late from a previous job.

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00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:08.519
<v Speaker 1>Piggy.

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00:56:08.559 --> 00:56:11.159
<v Speaker 7>That sounds extremely inconvenient, and I can see why you're

1085
00:56:11.239 --> 00:56:13.480
<v Speaker 7>upset to it by it. But let's hear what the actual,

1086
00:56:13.880 --> 00:56:16.559
<v Speaker 7>really big problem is that precipitated your phone call to

1087
00:56:16.679 --> 00:56:18.199
<v Speaker 7>us we're waiting for the crash.

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00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:21.079
<v Speaker 19>Okay, Well, first of all, they had two of my

1089
00:56:21.239 --> 00:56:23.599
<v Speaker 19>tenants helped them up the stairs with that, which is

1090
00:56:23.719 --> 00:56:26.920
<v Speaker 19>I'm pretty sure against the law if they would have

1091
00:56:26.960 --> 00:56:30.880
<v Speaker 19>gotten hurt. Number one. So they finally get this beast

1092
00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:33.639
<v Speaker 19>of a piano up the stairs. Took them over two hours.

1093
00:56:34.280 --> 00:56:36.039
<v Speaker 19>Get it on the truck, we take it over to

1094
00:56:36.119 --> 00:56:39.239
<v Speaker 19>my friend's house. They look at her house and they say,

1095
00:56:39.639 --> 00:56:41.119
<v Speaker 19>we can't get it into her house.

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00:56:41.199 --> 00:56:42.000
<v Speaker 12>There's just no way.

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00:56:42.920 --> 00:56:45.039
<v Speaker 19>But they never took it off the truck to turn it,

1098
00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:47.480
<v Speaker 19>and you know, put it on its end to try it.

1099
00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:49.880
<v Speaker 19>I said, okay, let's go to the backyard and see

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00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:51.800
<v Speaker 19>if we can go up the steps on the deck.

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00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:54.559
<v Speaker 19>And it had been raining, but the steps weren't slick

1102
00:56:54.719 --> 00:56:57.760
<v Speaker 19>or icy, they were just a little bit damp. And

1103
00:56:57.920 --> 00:57:01.400
<v Speaker 19>they said, no, we can't get it upstairs, and so

1104
00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:05.840
<v Speaker 19>it was sprinkling. They left my piano in the rain.

1105
00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:09.679
<v Speaker 19>They said we can't complete the job. They wrapped it

1106
00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:13.800
<v Speaker 19>in drink wrap, left it in the rain. And I'm like, really,

1107
00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:15.639
<v Speaker 19>I said, can you just leave it on the truck

1108
00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:18.039
<v Speaker 19>and come back tomorrow? And they wouldn't do that without

1109
00:57:18.199 --> 00:57:22.199
<v Speaker 19>charging extra, and they couldn't. I called another moving company

1110
00:57:22.239 --> 00:57:25.920
<v Speaker 19>who came up the next day. Five big guys got

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00:57:26.000 --> 00:57:30.920
<v Speaker 19>it up the wooden stairs into the house and and

1112
00:57:31.239 --> 00:57:34.119
<v Speaker 19>like it took an hour for less. So I called

1113
00:57:34.199 --> 00:57:36.519
<v Speaker 19>the manager all my friends and I, you know, I

1114
00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:39.039
<v Speaker 19>tell them what happened, and I would hadn't paid. I

1115
00:57:39.119 --> 00:57:41.639
<v Speaker 19>shouldn't have, but I did because I'm honest, and I paid,

1116
00:57:42.039 --> 00:57:43.920
<v Speaker 19>and then I thought about it later. I disputed it

1117
00:57:44.039 --> 00:57:48.400
<v Speaker 19>with Visa A couple months later. Visa took their side.

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00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:51.559
<v Speaker 1>Well, hold on, Peggy, why what happened with the piano?

1119
00:57:51.760 --> 00:57:52.239
<v Speaker 1>Is it okay?

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00:57:53.840 --> 00:57:54.519
<v Speaker 7>It is okay?

1121
00:57:54.679 --> 00:57:58.000
<v Speaker 19>But they did damage it? Okay, was down and now

1122
00:57:58.760 --> 00:58:01.079
<v Speaker 19>now they're saying they don't want to pay for the damage,

1123
00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:03.599
<v Speaker 19>which in the contract sixty cents per pound. This is

1124
00:58:03.679 --> 00:58:05.039
<v Speaker 19>about a thousand pound piano.

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00:58:05.119 --> 00:58:06.039
<v Speaker 10>It's very heavy.

1126
00:58:06.760 --> 00:58:09.000
<v Speaker 19>And they said that I didn't get my paperwork in

1127
00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:10.639
<v Speaker 19>in time, that it has to be done in a

1128
00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:13.119
<v Speaker 19>certain amount of time. And I said, I have sent

1129
00:58:13.199 --> 00:58:15.480
<v Speaker 19>you paperwork, I have called you a million times. You

1130
00:58:15.639 --> 00:58:19.280
<v Speaker 19>never get the paperwork. You never have a file conveniently enough.

1131
00:58:19.599 --> 00:58:22.239
<v Speaker 19>You'll call me on Friday. You never do every week.

1132
00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:25.039
<v Speaker 19>This happened, and they just want to work with me.

1133
00:58:25.159 --> 00:58:26.800
<v Speaker 19>Now they're not even going to pay the damage. I

1134
00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:29.639
<v Speaker 19>put out over two thousand dollars to move this piano,

1135
00:58:29.880 --> 00:58:32.280
<v Speaker 19>thinking I was going to put out six hundred, you know,

1136
00:58:32.400 --> 00:58:36.199
<v Speaker 19>plus a tip. And so now I'm retired, I don't

1137
00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:38.079
<v Speaker 19>have that kind of money. And now they're saying they're

1138
00:58:38.119 --> 00:58:40.639
<v Speaker 19>not going to pass it. This piano is set in

1139
00:58:40.760 --> 00:58:46.360
<v Speaker 19>the basement for sixty years, undamaged, and you guys scratched

1140
00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:48.679
<v Speaker 19>it and dented the leg of it, and you're telling

1141
00:58:48.760 --> 00:58:50.920
<v Speaker 19>me you're not even going to payggie damage.

1142
00:58:51.000 --> 00:58:51.440
<v Speaker 1>Hey, are you?

1143
00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:51.840
<v Speaker 16>So?

1144
00:58:52.039 --> 00:58:54.079
<v Speaker 7>What is your ultimate goal on this? Do you want

1145
00:58:54.199 --> 00:58:56.800
<v Speaker 7>all my sons moving in storage to pay for the

1146
00:58:56.960 --> 00:58:58.920
<v Speaker 7>damage to the piano or do you just want to

1147
00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:01.199
<v Speaker 7>refund for the six hundred bucks that you paid them

1148
00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:04.199
<v Speaker 7>to kind of, you know, do half a job on this?

1149
00:59:04.480 --> 00:59:05.480
<v Speaker 1>What is your idea?

1150
00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:08.800
<v Speaker 19>Then twelve I paid them twelve hundred and fifty nine dollars. John,

1151
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:11.760
<v Speaker 19>they doubled the price. They added all this tax and

1152
00:59:11.840 --> 00:59:14.960
<v Speaker 19>mileage and stuff on twelve hundred and fifty nine dollars

1153
00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:17.840
<v Speaker 19>I'd put on my visa, which I disputed, and then

1154
00:59:18.119 --> 00:59:19.880
<v Speaker 19>now they won't pay me the six hundred dollars for

1155
00:59:19.960 --> 00:59:22.760
<v Speaker 19>the damage to the piano. So I'm out a lot

1156
00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:26.400
<v Speaker 19>of money. I'm retired, I'm mad, and I just think

1157
00:59:26.440 --> 00:59:27.400
<v Speaker 19>it's very unfair.

1158
00:59:27.719 --> 00:59:29.800
<v Speaker 1>Do you like, is this the all my sons?

1159
00:59:29.840 --> 00:59:30.760
<v Speaker 19>Way back? Actually?

1160
00:59:31.480 --> 00:59:34.000
<v Speaker 7>Was this all my sons? Moving in storage here in

1161
00:59:34.119 --> 00:59:37.639
<v Speaker 7>Denver on Lema Street. Who are you dealing with over.

1162
00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:41.000
<v Speaker 19>J I don't they have a couple of locations. I

1163
00:59:41.000 --> 00:59:42.199
<v Speaker 19>don't know if it was the lake Wood one.

1164
00:59:42.239 --> 00:59:44.559
<v Speaker 7>Okay, do you have a contact over there that you've

1165
00:59:44.599 --> 00:59:45.840
<v Speaker 7>been speaking about this with.

1166
00:59:47.400 --> 00:59:50.440
<v Speaker 19>Well, right after all that happened, I talked to Christian,

1167
00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:53.679
<v Speaker 19>who's the manster, and I believe this is his number,

1168
00:59:54.679 --> 00:59:57.119
<v Speaker 19>and he was a very annually, wouldn't work with me

1169
00:59:57.199 --> 00:59:58.679
<v Speaker 19>at all, wouldn't refund any of it.

1170
00:59:59.199 --> 01:00:01.480
<v Speaker 7>What's his excuse, what's the reason that he doesn't want

1171
01:00:01.480 --> 01:00:03.199
<v Speaker 7>to give you a refund or pay for the damages?

1172
01:00:04.199 --> 01:00:06.920
<v Speaker 19>Well, he said, because they can't, because they couldn't get

1173
01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:09.079
<v Speaker 19>up to the house. They thought it was fine to

1174
01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:11.639
<v Speaker 19>just leave it outside shrink wraps. And I said, but

1175
01:00:11.800 --> 01:00:14.039
<v Speaker 19>you didn't complete the contract, right.

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01:00:14.320 --> 01:00:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Hey, Peggy, have you had anybody look at the damage?

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01:00:19.400 --> 01:00:19.440
<v Speaker 21>No?

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01:00:19.719 --> 01:00:22.400
<v Speaker 19>My friend has you know, the pianos in her house?

1179
01:00:22.519 --> 01:00:24.239
<v Speaker 1>Now, I described the damage for me.

1180
01:00:25.199 --> 01:00:26.280
<v Speaker 19>I had pictures before.

1181
01:00:26.679 --> 01:00:28.079
<v Speaker 1>Tell me what it looks like.

1182
01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:32.719
<v Speaker 19>They scratched the dropboard that comes down on the keys.

1183
01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:36.920
<v Speaker 19>They scratch that the front left leg. They're kind of

1184
01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:40.280
<v Speaker 19>pedestal legs. It's an old piano, took a big chunk

1185
01:00:40.360 --> 01:00:43.760
<v Speaker 19>out of the corner of vat and several other scratches.

1186
01:00:44.079 --> 01:00:46.199
<v Speaker 1>Have you had anybody look at it to appraise it?

1187
01:00:48.239 --> 01:00:48.960
<v Speaker 19>No, I have not.

1188
01:00:49.760 --> 01:00:52.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, we can get involved in this case.

1189
01:00:52.519 --> 01:00:55.119
<v Speaker 1>I can, you know, easily have Demetrio assessue with it.

1190
01:00:55.199 --> 01:00:57.480
<v Speaker 1>But the bottom line is going to be you have

1191
01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:00.519
<v Speaker 1>a duty to mitigate your damages. You have duty to,

1192
01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:05.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, to evaluate what those damages are. And you know,

1193
01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:06.719
<v Speaker 1>I think you're going to want to get an estimate

1194
01:01:06.800 --> 01:01:09.199
<v Speaker 1>of the damage and have somebody look at it. I mean, certainly,

1195
01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:12.400
<v Speaker 1>almost anything you can do short of dropping that piano

1196
01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:14.480
<v Speaker 1>out of a window or out of a window could

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01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:18.280
<v Speaker 1>be repaired by you know, some specialists. But you're going

1198
01:01:18.320 --> 01:01:20.239
<v Speaker 1>to need to know what the amount of damage is

1199
01:01:20.280 --> 01:01:23.559
<v Speaker 1>because that really is what your damages are in this case,

1200
01:01:24.400 --> 01:01:28.639
<v Speaker 1>and then I think we'd have better luck really addressing it. Ultimately.

1201
01:01:28.800 --> 01:01:30.760
<v Speaker 1>You may have to think about taking these guys to

1202
01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:33.239
<v Speaker 1>Small Claims court over the damage, but you're going to

1203
01:01:33.320 --> 01:01:35.880
<v Speaker 1>have to look really carefully at the contract to see

1204
01:01:35.960 --> 01:01:39.159
<v Speaker 1>exactly what their liability is and what rights you have

1205
01:01:39.320 --> 01:01:43.320
<v Speaker 1>to go after them. You may have signed an arbitration provision.

1206
01:01:43.480 --> 01:01:46.760
<v Speaker 1>You may have completely foreclosed your ability to go to

1207
01:01:46.920 --> 01:01:48.880
<v Speaker 1>court to get any sort of resolution here.

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01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:52.119
<v Speaker 5>I think they only do half the job done. They

1209
01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:53.880
<v Speaker 5>I mean, they didn't have the job.

1210
01:01:53.960 --> 01:01:55.760
<v Speaker 4>They took it out, but they didn't put it in,

1211
01:01:56.320 --> 01:01:59.280
<v Speaker 4>so they did have she hath a valid claim for

1212
01:01:59.400 --> 01:02:00.480
<v Speaker 4>getting half money back.

1213
01:02:00.519 --> 01:02:04.119
<v Speaker 1>He does. But they didn't abandon her. They just couldn't

1214
01:02:04.159 --> 01:02:07.760
<v Speaker 1>finish it that day, so they were deprived of the

1215
01:02:07.800 --> 01:02:10.000
<v Speaker 1>opportunity to come back and finish that job.

1216
01:02:10.360 --> 01:02:13.199
<v Speaker 19>No, no, no, John, They said they would charge me again.

1217
01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:15.760
<v Speaker 19>I said, it's raining. Can you leave it on the

1218
01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:19.679
<v Speaker 19>truck at least and come back tomorrow and finish the job.

1219
01:02:19.719 --> 01:02:22.119
<v Speaker 19>And they said, we can't leave it on the truck,

1220
01:02:22.480 --> 01:02:25.360
<v Speaker 19>and if we come back again, we will charge you again.

1221
01:02:25.480 --> 01:02:27.639
<v Speaker 1>So did they did they feel like the job was

1222
01:02:27.719 --> 01:02:31.280
<v Speaker 1>complete at that point, sitting in the backyard, they felt

1223
01:02:31.360 --> 01:02:31.840
<v Speaker 1>like it was.

1224
01:02:32.079 --> 01:02:34.280
<v Speaker 19>And then, like I said, the other moving company brought

1225
01:02:34.360 --> 01:02:36.280
<v Speaker 19>five guys and they got it right up those stairs.

1226
01:02:36.679 --> 01:02:38.880
<v Speaker 19>I think they just got lazy and didn't want to

1227
01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:41.840
<v Speaker 19>do it, and they didn't even try.

1228
01:02:41.880 --> 01:02:42.800
<v Speaker 1>They didn't even try.

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01:02:44.239 --> 01:02:46.559
<v Speaker 19>They looked and said, we can't get it in the house.

1230
01:02:46.719 --> 01:02:48.840
<v Speaker 1>So they quoted you six hundred, and they charged you

1231
01:02:48.960 --> 01:02:50.199
<v Speaker 1>twelve hundred, is that right?

1232
01:02:50.519 --> 01:02:53.079
<v Speaker 19>Twelve twelve fifty nine and sixty cents.

1233
01:02:53.320 --> 01:02:56.199
<v Speaker 1>But their original quote was six hundred, six hundred.

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01:02:56.280 --> 01:02:58.400
<v Speaker 19>And then the second company you got it in for

1235
01:02:58.800 --> 01:03:01.400
<v Speaker 19>seven hundred I think. And then I tipped those people.

1236
01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:05.360
<v Speaker 19>I didn't tip the first people obviously. And yeah, and

1237
01:03:05.480 --> 01:03:08.320
<v Speaker 19>then the damage and they've been they've been jerking me

1238
01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:09.360
<v Speaker 19>around for months.

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01:03:09.960 --> 01:03:12.280
<v Speaker 1>Did your friend pay those bills or did you have to?

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01:03:13.000 --> 01:03:13.039
<v Speaker 18>No?

1241
01:03:13.239 --> 01:03:13.840
<v Speaker 9>I paid it all.

1242
01:03:13.920 --> 01:03:14.880
<v Speaker 22>It was a gift to her.

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01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:17.599
<v Speaker 19>I thought, if I can get this piano that I've

1244
01:03:17.639 --> 01:03:20.239
<v Speaker 19>had my whole life to her, I know where it is.

1245
01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:21.119
<v Speaker 19>You know what I'm saying.

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01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:24.039
<v Speaker 6>I have one question for you, Peggy.

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01:03:25.280 --> 01:03:28.960
<v Speaker 4>Now that you've had a second moving company involved, they're

1248
01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:31.400
<v Speaker 4>going to say that the second move a company did

1249
01:03:31.480 --> 01:03:34.760
<v Speaker 4>the damage and not them, and the second moving company

1250
01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:37.960
<v Speaker 4>say no, you guys did it. So I think it's

1251
01:03:38.000 --> 01:03:40.880
<v Speaker 4>going to be much more difficult than it first appeared

1252
01:03:41.239 --> 01:03:45.480
<v Speaker 4>to UH to assign responsibility for the damage that was done.

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01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:48.559
<v Speaker 4>And just so can I interject something for people listening,

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01:03:49.039 --> 01:03:53.639
<v Speaker 4>There are great companies that specialize in moving pianos, and

1255
01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:57.039
<v Speaker 4>if you go online and look for companies that specialize

1256
01:03:57.119 --> 01:03:59.800
<v Speaker 4>in that, you'll have a much better experience. We had

1257
01:03:59.840 --> 01:04:03.039
<v Speaker 4>have panel moves also, and we just went with companies

1258
01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:05.119
<v Speaker 4>I don't remember the name of it was a while ago,

1259
01:04:05.639 --> 01:04:09.639
<v Speaker 4>but that specialize in moving pianos. They have the right equipment,

1260
01:04:10.039 --> 01:04:12.960
<v Speaker 4>they can take it apart, put it back together. So

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01:04:14.039 --> 01:04:16.400
<v Speaker 4>if anybody out there wants to move a piano, don't

1262
01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:18.039
<v Speaker 4>call a regular movie company.

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01:04:17.880 --> 01:04:19.760
<v Speaker 1>Right, Peggy hay On, We'll be right back.

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01:04:24.400 --> 01:04:27.679
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<v Speaker 1>Good afternoon, John Fuller, back with the Martino Troubleshooter Show.

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01:05:05.880 --> 01:05:08.119
<v Speaker 1>So we're on the line here with Peggy and we

1275
01:05:08.199 --> 01:05:13.199
<v Speaker 1>were just talking about the the trouble that she had

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<v Speaker 1>in moving this piano. And and as Doc said that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, pianos are specialty items, and just like any antique,

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<v Speaker 1>there are people that specialize and know what the heck

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<v Speaker 1>they're doing. And it sounds like all my sons is

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<v Speaker 1>that's not really up their alley, or you've at least

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<v Speaker 1>got one huge, a you know, strike against them for

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<v Speaker 1>anybody else considering the the moving of a piano. The

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<v Speaker 1>thought that we've had kind of off the air here

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<v Speaker 1>Peggy was that maybe you know, a well placed phone

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<v Speaker 1>call to you know, to all my sons, perhaps one

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01:05:44.039 --> 01:05:47.960
<v Speaker 1>of our deputies, Dimitri here would be willing to help

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<v Speaker 1>out and contact them on your behalf. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 1>challenges that you're going to have, like Doc said, are

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<v Speaker 1>that they're going to say, well, the other company must

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<v Speaker 1>have done the damage. And then they're going to also

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<v Speaker 1>say that you know, your remedies were foreclosed by you

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01:06:02.119 --> 01:06:05.719
<v Speaker 1>not making the proper claims and stuff. I mean, really,

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<v Speaker 1>the lessons of Peggy here are that you know, every

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<v Speaker 1>time that you try to exercise a warranty on a

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<v Speaker 1>consumer item, you have to understand that the companies really

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<v Speaker 1>don't want you to be successful in filing a warranty claim.

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<v Speaker 1>They would really just prefer that you either buy another

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<v Speaker 1>one or go away. And very few companies these days

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<v Speaker 1>are truly interested in standing behind their product or service

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<v Speaker 1>so that they make it super easy. And that lesson

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<v Speaker 1>could be true for things like you know, your warranties

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01:06:39.239 --> 01:06:42.719
<v Speaker 1>on your vehicles, your gap warranties and stuff. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I run into this all the time in my practice

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<v Speaker 1>with people that lose their vehicles to a total loss

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01:06:48.039 --> 01:06:49.599
<v Speaker 1>and a crash and they say, oh, but I've got

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01:06:49.679 --> 01:06:52.840
<v Speaker 1>gap insurance. And you talk to them and they you know,

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01:06:53.039 --> 01:06:56.400
<v Speaker 1>they've lost their paperwork, they don't know the steps to

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01:06:56.519 --> 01:06:58.800
<v Speaker 1>go through, and by the time they figure it out,

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01:06:59.440 --> 01:07:03.559
<v Speaker 1>they have violated one of the provisions about how specifically

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<v Speaker 1>a claim has to be made. And so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I sympathize with you hopefully Dimitri can help you and

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01:07:11.039 --> 01:07:14.440
<v Speaker 1>achieve some sort of a good outcome. But the lesson

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01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:17.840
<v Speaker 1>for everybody else is that, you know, you almost have

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01:07:18.000 --> 01:07:21.320
<v Speaker 1>to reach out before these situations present themselves, because whenever

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01:07:21.360 --> 01:07:24.280
<v Speaker 1>you get a second company involved, you're just setting up

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01:07:24.320 --> 01:07:27.239
<v Speaker 1>this circumstance where everybody's going to point at everybody else

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01:07:27.400 --> 01:07:29.880
<v Speaker 1>and you're going to be the one that loses no

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<v Speaker 1>matter what. So I wish you luck with your piano.

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<v Speaker 1>You're in great hands with Dimitri, and we'll put you

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<v Speaker 1>back on hold and get your contact information that he

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<v Speaker 1>can he can talk to you after the fact. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks Peggy. So I was listening to the news this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>We're having all these these new laws that go into

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<v Speaker 1>effect in Colorado today. Did you guys hear some of

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01:07:53.159 --> 01:07:54.719
<v Speaker 1>the crazy stuff that we've got out there.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't wonder it about the since Dmitry brought it up,

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<v Speaker 4>but having a concealed carry permit that now you have

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<v Speaker 4>taken eight hour class in order to get to conceal

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01:08:04.679 --> 01:08:06.639
<v Speaker 4>carrie permit, Yeah, which I don't think you had to.

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<v Speaker 15>Do, right.

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01:08:07.719 --> 01:08:10.119
<v Speaker 1>I had to take a class, but it certainly wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>eight hours. Yeah, So I think that's one of many

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01:08:14.320 --> 01:08:16.079
<v Speaker 1>that we can talk about. We're going to go to

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<v Speaker 1>a break right now. We'll be right back, and I'm

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01:08:17.880 --> 01:08:20.439
<v Speaker 1>interested in talking about particularly the one that I saw

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01:08:20.520 --> 01:08:23.479
<v Speaker 1>this morning was the one about the mushrooms now being

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01:08:23.560 --> 01:08:27.560
<v Speaker 1>legal for uh for psychiatric help and stuff. So we'll

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<v Speaker 1>be right back to talk about that. Thanks.

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<v Speaker 11>call Compass Insurance paying too much your coverage at dozens

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<v Speaker 11>of insurance companies find out now three oh three seven

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<v Speaker 11>seven to one help. You'll think you're his only customer

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<v Speaker 14>Three oh three nine two zero sixteen twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>Good afternoon, Welcome to the Troubleshooter Show. My name is

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01:09:15.479 --> 01:09:18.760
<v Speaker 1>John Fuller. I'm a personal injury attorney. I'm not Tom Martino,

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01:09:18.920 --> 01:09:21.359
<v Speaker 1>but I am filling in today and tomorrow, and so

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01:09:22.079 --> 01:09:25.880
<v Speaker 1>we are looking to help you with whatever is going

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01:09:25.920 --> 01:09:28.800
<v Speaker 1>on in your life. Mister Fuller secured, Yes.

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<v Speaker 23>We have a listener email to you, John Fuller says

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01:09:34.520 --> 01:09:37.479
<v Speaker 23>you should have a dash camp. Can he make some

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01:09:37.680 --> 01:09:40.000
<v Speaker 23>recommendations as to what to look for?

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<v Speaker 1>And more importantly, why Yeah, So now you're now you're

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01:09:47.000 --> 01:09:49.880
<v Speaker 1>preaching to my choir, so to speak. So so here's

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01:09:49.920 --> 01:09:52.600
<v Speaker 1>the deal. You know, I'm a personal injury attorney. I

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01:09:52.720 --> 01:09:56.159
<v Speaker 1>represent people that are victims in car crashes. That means

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01:09:56.239 --> 01:10:00.600
<v Speaker 1>that you were not at fault for causing the accident.

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01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:04.800
<v Speaker 1>And in some cases that is incredibly clear you were

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01:10:04.960 --> 01:10:08.840
<v Speaker 1>rear ended or something where there's a presumption of negligence

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01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:12.760
<v Speaker 1>on the person that runs into you, or cases like

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<v Speaker 1>that where there's just very little to argue about. But

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01:10:16.239 --> 01:10:18.720
<v Speaker 1>in other cases, there's a lot to argue about. And

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<v Speaker 1>you think about cases like left turn cases where you

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01:10:22.840 --> 01:10:25.000
<v Speaker 1>are turning left on a green arrow and the other

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01:10:25.119 --> 01:10:29.000
<v Speaker 1>person swears that they had a green light and one

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01:10:29.079 --> 01:10:31.640
<v Speaker 1>of you guys is wrong, and so how do you

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<v Speaker 1>resolve that? The reality is many times you don't. What

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<v Speaker 1>happens is the cops show up and they talk to

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01:10:38.960 --> 01:10:41.000
<v Speaker 1>one party and they talk to the other one and

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01:10:41.119 --> 01:10:44.319
<v Speaker 1>they just go, you know what he said, she said.

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01:10:44.479 --> 01:10:47.479
<v Speaker 1>I can't get a clear statement. There's no witnesses. They

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01:10:47.560 --> 01:10:49.760
<v Speaker 1>don't even write one side or the other a ticket

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01:10:49.880 --> 01:10:53.199
<v Speaker 1>and they just leave. They document the accident and they

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01:10:53.399 --> 01:10:56.119
<v Speaker 1>leave and forever more. What I can tell you is

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01:10:56.199 --> 01:10:59.760
<v Speaker 1>that the insurance companies will not accept liability and they

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01:10:59.800 --> 01:11:02.439
<v Speaker 1>will not pay for those damages. So we're going to

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01:11:02.520 --> 01:11:04.800
<v Speaker 1>talk about dash cans and how they kind of change

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01:11:04.880 --> 01:11:07.880
<v Speaker 1>the landscape right when we come back on the next break.

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<v Speaker 1>So hold on, guys, go.

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<v Speaker 11>With a sure thing Denver's Best roofer Excel Roofing dot com.

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01:11:26.560 --> 01:11:32.279
<v Speaker 11>You don't pay a cent until you're contenth time for

1385
01:11:32.359 --> 01:11:36.079
<v Speaker 11>an insurance checkup free, no obligation. In comparison, call Compass

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01:11:36.159 --> 01:11:39.840
<v Speaker 11>Insurance paying too much your coverage at dozens of insurance companies.

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<v Speaker 14>Find out now three O three seven to seven to

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01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:42.520
<v Speaker 14>one help.

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<v Speaker 11>You'll think you're his only customer when you choose Frank

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01:11:45.439 --> 01:11:47.840
<v Speaker 11>durand the real estate Man dot com to list your

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01:11:47.920 --> 01:11:51.000
<v Speaker 11>home with Remax Alliance three oh three nine two zero

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<v Speaker 11>sixteen twenty two.

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<v Speaker 2>You need advice so you don't have come run anxious

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01:12:06.479 --> 01:12:11.600
<v Speaker 2>as fast as we can. Shooter's gonna help coming man.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the Troubleshooter Show. Now, Tom Martine, Hey.

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<v Speaker 1>Good afternoon. This is John Fuller, not Tom Bartino. But

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<v Speaker 1>we're here on the Tom Martino Troubleshooter Show, and we're

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01:12:26.159 --> 01:12:28.880
<v Speaker 1>here to solve your problems and take complaints and and

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01:12:29.079 --> 01:12:31.560
<v Speaker 1>otherwise help you with anything and everything that we can.

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<v Speaker 1>And so we encourage your calls. We have open lines

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01:12:33.560 --> 01:12:36.880
<v Speaker 1>this morning, and we are here to help you. So

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01:12:37.000 --> 01:12:39.600
<v Speaker 1>pick up the phone, give us a call. We'll go

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<v Speaker 1>from there. Going into the break, we were talking about

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<v Speaker 1>dash cams and I just want to wrap that up.

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<v Speaker 1>The beauty of a dash cam is that it completely

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<v Speaker 1>takes away that he said, she said side of things

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<v Speaker 1>and eliminates completely the issues of who's a fault on accidents.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, for a long time, we were always searching

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<v Speaker 1>for witnesses, and witnesses are okay at best. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>if somebody was standing there and you told them, watch

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01:13:05.960 --> 01:13:09.000
<v Speaker 1>right now, the accident's fixing to happen, and I want

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<v Speaker 1>you to notice every single thing about it. You know,

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01:13:11.319 --> 01:13:13.760
<v Speaker 1>they probably do a pretty good job. But witnesses are

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01:13:13.880 --> 01:13:16.359
<v Speaker 1>just like you. They're looking down at their phone and

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01:13:16.439 --> 01:13:18.960
<v Speaker 1>their radio and yelling at the kid in the backseat,

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01:13:19.000 --> 01:13:22.479
<v Speaker 1>and they're never just really really, you know, paying one

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01:13:22.560 --> 01:13:26.720
<v Speaker 1>hundred percent attention. So their assistance is valuable, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>nowhere near as valuable as having a four K color

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<v Speaker 1>video complete with you know audio on it to capture

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<v Speaker 1>what happened in the scene, not only from the liability standpoint,

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<v Speaker 1>but also what happened to you in the car. So

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<v Speaker 1>we frequently see you know, crashes that you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>occupant hits the steering wheel and stuff like that, or

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<v Speaker 1>or you have an insurance company that's coming back and saying,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't think you had your seat belt on, and boom,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got a video that proves it absolutely that the

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<v Speaker 1>seat belts were on at the time of the crash.

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<v Speaker 1>So dashcams are cheap. You can buy a decent quality

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01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:08.079
<v Speaker 1>one on Amazon for maybe one hundred bucks, and that

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<v Speaker 1>would include both forward looking and backward looking. If you

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<v Speaker 1>bump it up to about a buck forty or so,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you're really getting a high quality dash cam.

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<v Speaker 1>They're easy to install. I highly recommend them. I have

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<v Speaker 1>them on every vehicle and I recommend them to everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>For a while there, I was even giving them away

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<v Speaker 1>monthly to my clients and listeners here. But they're just

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<v Speaker 1>it's a cheap insurance policy. That makes sure when something

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<v Speaker 1>bad happens to you, they don't escape valuability by pointing

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01:14:39.600 --> 01:14:42.399
<v Speaker 1>at you and saying you did something wrong. So we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to move along here and take a couple of

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01:14:45.279 --> 01:14:48.760
<v Speaker 1>calls here, but if you have questions about dashcams or

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<v Speaker 1>anything along those lines, definitely give us a call and

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<v Speaker 1>we'd be happy to talk about that. So, Troy, you

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<v Speaker 1>have a question about a ticket. What's going on? Troy?

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, John, Hey, I was in the parking lot and

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<v Speaker 8>it was the middle of the night, and there was

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<v Speaker 8>a pretty small parking lot and I was backing up

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<v Speaker 8>and the person across the parking lot was back at

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<v Speaker 8>the same time. We met in the middle and I

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<v Speaker 8>ended up getting the ticket because the safe patrol, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>listened to the woman complaining a lot and he just

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<v Speaker 8>kind of flipped the corner and gave me the traffic

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<v Speaker 8>in fracs and it was back back in the It

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<v Speaker 8>says back vehicle in a parking lot when it was

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<v Speaker 8>not safe. I said, okay, cool, no big deal. Thirty

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<v Speaker 8>nine dollars fine, And you go online and you pay

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<v Speaker 8>the ticket online and you get one point take it

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<v Speaker 8>off the ticket.

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<v Speaker 1>Troy, where did this happen in the falcon in falcon Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what sort of parking lot was it in? Was it

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<v Speaker 1>a was it a private parking lot? Public lot? What

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<v Speaker 1>was it?

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<v Speaker 8>Yep, private parking lot? Okay, the park lot for the

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<v Speaker 8>for the bank.

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<v Speaker 7>Are you surprised that the planks would issue a ticket

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<v Speaker 7>for a private parking a lot accident?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's kind of what I was getting at. Did

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<v Speaker 1>did anybody bring up the fact that you were on

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<v Speaker 1>private property and the state Patrol really didn't have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of jurisdiction.

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<v Speaker 8>There unincorporated El Pasa County, So the state Patrol was

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<v Speaker 8>one that it answers all the traffic calls out here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but jurisdictionally, for that ticket, you have to be

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<v Speaker 1>on the roadways of the state, at least in my understanding,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't. I don't know that the state Patrol has

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<v Speaker 1>the authority to to write you a ticket on private property.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you have you looked into that at all?

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<v Speaker 8>Now for thirty nine dollars in one plant, I said,

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<v Speaker 8>it's not worth my time going to the court house

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<v Speaker 8>and talking to the judge. So I went online and

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<v Speaker 8>when I went through the process to pay the ticket online,

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01:17:09.680 --> 01:17:14.399
<v Speaker 8>what shocked me was all the rights that you give

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01:17:14.520 --> 01:17:17.159
<v Speaker 8>up when you go online and pay that ticket. Yep,

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01:17:17.520 --> 01:17:19.560
<v Speaker 8>you give up the right for room, you give up

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01:17:19.600 --> 01:17:24.000
<v Speaker 8>the rights to remain silent, right to be represented by attorney,

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01:17:24.159 --> 01:17:27.159
<v Speaker 8>the right to deny allegations. I mean, you just give

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01:17:27.279 --> 01:17:30.159
<v Speaker 8>up every single soul right that you have.

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01:17:31.399 --> 01:17:33.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's absolutely true. And if you had gone to court,

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01:17:34.039 --> 01:17:36.199
<v Speaker 1>you would have had to do the same exact thing

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01:17:36.840 --> 01:17:39.600
<v Speaker 1>before you'd be allowed to enter a guilty plea. That's

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01:17:39.680 --> 01:17:42.680
<v Speaker 1>the same for I mean, listen, this is not really

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01:17:42.760 --> 01:17:45.640
<v Speaker 1>a criminal case, so to speak, but you do have

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01:17:45.800 --> 01:17:48.640
<v Speaker 1>some rights, and when you electively guilty for them, what

1494
01:17:48.720 --> 01:17:51.680
<v Speaker 1>you're effectively doing you have to waive all those rights

1495
01:17:51.760 --> 01:17:54.840
<v Speaker 1>to force the prosecution to prove you guilty of that crime,

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01:17:55.800 --> 01:17:59.199
<v Speaker 1>however minor it may be. So that's that's pretty typical.

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01:18:01.039 --> 01:18:06.319
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, why is it there a no contest Like, yeah, yeah,

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01:18:06.319 --> 01:18:09.960
<v Speaker 8>I can't. Yeah, it's the miidle of the night and

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01:18:10.119 --> 01:18:11.279
<v Speaker 8>two people are backing up.

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01:18:11.840 --> 01:18:14.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, no contest is a thing that we

1501
01:18:14.600 --> 01:18:18.560
<v Speaker 1>just don't really have in Colorado. For things we we have,

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01:18:19.520 --> 01:18:22.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, in more serious cases, we have something referred

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01:18:22.079 --> 01:18:25.119
<v Speaker 1>to as an alphab plea, which is basically admitting that

1504
01:18:25.880 --> 01:18:29.159
<v Speaker 1>you know, you would likely get get convicted at trial,

1505
01:18:29.239 --> 01:18:31.319
<v Speaker 1>but you're not going to admit to the facts that

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01:18:31.439 --> 01:18:35.279
<v Speaker 1>make up the predicate offense. And that really only comes

1507
01:18:35.359 --> 01:18:37.560
<v Speaker 1>up in a more serious case. But it's it's kind

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01:18:37.640 --> 01:18:40.159
<v Speaker 1>of like a no contest. But but we really just

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01:18:40.279 --> 01:18:43.279
<v Speaker 1>don't have that in Colorado. It's a it's a creature

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01:18:43.359 --> 01:18:45.079
<v Speaker 1>of statute and the states.

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01:18:44.800 --> 01:18:48.159
<v Speaker 8>That allow it. Wow, that's crazy.

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01:18:49.760 --> 01:18:52.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So what what may surprise you though, is it

1513
01:18:52.880 --> 01:18:54.439
<v Speaker 1>was there damage to your vehicle in this.

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01:18:56.479 --> 01:18:59.600
<v Speaker 8>Not to mind, but the the other person so I

1515
01:18:59.680 --> 01:19:04.520
<v Speaker 8>gotta cheap with a really heavy metal bumper. Yeah, I

1516
01:19:04.560 --> 01:19:09.359
<v Speaker 8>didn't get a scratch and the Sudan uh they got

1517
01:19:09.520 --> 01:19:10.399
<v Speaker 8>they got crumpled.

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01:19:10.720 --> 01:19:13.800
<v Speaker 1>The thing that really sucks about what's happening to you

1519
01:19:14.000 --> 01:19:16.159
<v Speaker 1>is that likely that person is going to be filing

1520
01:19:16.199 --> 01:19:18.960
<v Speaker 1>a claim against your insurance and they're going to use

1521
01:19:19.000 --> 01:19:21.640
<v Speaker 1>the fact that you were given that ticket as evidence

1522
01:19:21.720 --> 01:19:24.560
<v Speaker 1>that you were the cause of the accident, and you'll

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01:19:24.560 --> 01:19:29.039
<v Speaker 1>have a claim on your on your history. So these tickets,

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01:19:29.039 --> 01:19:31.079
<v Speaker 1>even though they are not a lot of money, they

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01:19:31.159 --> 01:19:34.000
<v Speaker 1>do kind of you know, they do kind of represent

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01:19:34.119 --> 01:19:39.079
<v Speaker 1>the final you know answer if you will on who's

1527
01:19:39.119 --> 01:19:41.119
<v Speaker 1>going to be at fault or considered it fault, and

1528
01:19:41.199 --> 01:19:43.560
<v Speaker 1>they're not even really admissible in a civil trial. But

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01:19:43.640 --> 01:19:46.560
<v Speaker 1>from the perspective of the insurance company, who got the

1530
01:19:46.640 --> 01:19:49.399
<v Speaker 1>ticket is largely controlling on who's going to end up

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01:19:49.439 --> 01:19:50.760
<v Speaker 1>being liable for the accident.

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01:19:52.359 --> 01:19:57.920
<v Speaker 8>Right, So you know, even though the safe control is

1533
01:19:58.920 --> 01:20:01.079
<v Speaker 8>the judge and jury, well.

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01:20:00.960 --> 01:20:03.239
<v Speaker 1>That's because it's an infraction, and that's kind of how

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01:20:03.319 --> 01:20:06.199
<v Speaker 1>they do it and in that county and many other counties.

1536
01:20:06.279 --> 01:20:09.720
<v Speaker 1>But it's not so much the process that we're talking

1537
01:20:09.760 --> 01:20:12.279
<v Speaker 1>about here. It's the end result, which is once you've

1538
01:20:12.319 --> 01:20:16.159
<v Speaker 1>pled guilty to it, whether it's online, in person, after

1539
01:20:16.279 --> 01:20:20.119
<v Speaker 1>a trial, whatever, Once that guilty plea, you know, that

1540
01:20:20.199 --> 01:20:24.000
<v Speaker 1>guilty plea enters and you're officially you know, quote unquote

1541
01:20:24.039 --> 01:20:28.039
<v Speaker 1>guilty of that infraction. Your insurance company is going to

1542
01:20:28.079 --> 01:20:30.600
<v Speaker 1>look at that and say, well, you know, here's the deal.

1543
01:20:30.760 --> 01:20:34.079
<v Speaker 1>Both sides disagree about it was a fault, but the

1544
01:20:34.199 --> 01:20:37.199
<v Speaker 1>officer investigated talk to both sides concluded you were the

1545
01:20:37.239 --> 01:20:40.720
<v Speaker 1>one at fault. The officer thought that you were negligent

1546
01:20:40.760 --> 01:20:42.920
<v Speaker 1>in the operation in your vehicle and backed it into

1547
01:20:43.000 --> 01:20:46.319
<v Speaker 1>this other person, and you went to court and pled

1548
01:20:46.359 --> 01:20:49.880
<v Speaker 1>guilty for it, confirming that the officer's suspicions were correct,

1549
01:20:50.560 --> 01:20:53.600
<v Speaker 1>and therefore they're going to accept liability for the accident

1550
01:20:53.680 --> 01:20:56.119
<v Speaker 1>and pay for it. So you can jump up and

1551
01:20:56.199 --> 01:20:58.199
<v Speaker 1>down all you want and tell your insurance company not

1552
01:20:58.359 --> 01:21:01.239
<v Speaker 1>to do it, but the likelihood is that when they

1553
01:21:01.439 --> 01:21:04.720
<v Speaker 1>exercise their rights under their policy to make a decision

1554
01:21:05.319 --> 01:21:07.680
<v Speaker 1>that even you know, even though it may be adverse

1555
01:21:07.720 --> 01:21:11.079
<v Speaker 1>to the instructions of their insured, they're probably going to

1556
01:21:11.159 --> 01:21:13.279
<v Speaker 1>accept liability to the other side and pay for that

1557
01:21:13.399 --> 01:21:18.439
<v Speaker 1>property damage. Okay, sorry, man, that's that's just kind of

1558
01:21:18.479 --> 01:21:21.000
<v Speaker 1>how the world turns on those little tickets like that.

1559
01:21:21.199 --> 01:21:24.000
<v Speaker 1>I hate them. I think you probably had the ability

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01:21:24.039 --> 01:21:26.600
<v Speaker 1>to go in and suggest that that cop didn't have jurisdiction,

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01:21:27.239 --> 01:21:29.319
<v Speaker 1>or at least you know, that challenge may have had

1562
01:21:29.399 --> 01:21:32.760
<v Speaker 1>some weight. But once you've played guilty to it, that's

1563
01:21:32.840 --> 01:21:34.760
<v Speaker 1>one of those things that you waived in that big

1564
01:21:34.840 --> 01:21:38.920
<v Speaker 1>laundry list of stuff that they made you agree to online, Troy,

1565
01:21:39.359 --> 01:21:41.479
<v Speaker 1>this is bo I know you are.

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01:21:42.199 --> 01:21:45.000
<v Speaker 5>You've pled guilty and paid the thirty nine dollars fine,

1567
01:21:45.079 --> 01:21:47.880
<v Speaker 5>but it would be an interest to us and the

1568
01:21:47.960 --> 01:21:50.960
<v Speaker 5>listeners if you could call the captain of that particular

1569
01:21:51.119 --> 01:21:54.000
<v Speaker 5>precting of the State Patrol, and just ask the captain,

1570
01:21:55.399 --> 01:21:58.359
<v Speaker 5>why did I get a ticket issued on private property?

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01:21:58.880 --> 01:22:01.159
<v Speaker 5>Even though it's all said done. I just don't think

1572
01:22:01.239 --> 01:22:03.800
<v Speaker 5>they could do it. I think it may be could

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01:22:03.840 --> 01:22:06.840
<v Speaker 5>be resended. I just don't think they have the jurisdiction.

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01:22:07.239 --> 01:22:08.760
<v Speaker 1>Hey, I have a little bit of input into this.

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01:22:09.199 --> 01:22:11.880
<v Speaker 7>Bo I just did a quick Google search to see

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01:22:11.880 --> 01:22:14.399
<v Speaker 7>if Calida State Patrol can write tickets on private property.

1577
01:22:14.439 --> 01:22:15.399
<v Speaker 1>And here's a quote.

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01:22:15.720 --> 01:22:17.720
<v Speaker 7>The very first line item is a quote from the

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01:22:17.760 --> 01:22:21.279
<v Speaker 7>State Patrol, and this guy says, in twenty twenty three,

1580
01:22:21.439 --> 01:22:26.000
<v Speaker 7>we've written over three hundred tickets, and the agency will

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01:22:26.000 --> 01:22:30.439
<v Speaker 7>write tickets for the following violations on private property unsafe backing.

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01:22:31.680 --> 01:22:32.920
<v Speaker 7>That's the first thing that came up.

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01:22:33.000 --> 01:22:38.439
<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's crazy, crazy, crazy, Jay, You've got to comment

1584
01:22:38.520 --> 01:22:39.800
<v Speaker 1>on Troy's ticket. What's going on?

1585
01:22:39.960 --> 01:22:40.119
<v Speaker 8>Jay?

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01:22:44.479 --> 01:22:44.720
<v Speaker 18>Hello?

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01:22:45.159 --> 01:22:47.720
<v Speaker 1>John? Yes, sir, Jay, tell us what's going on? You've

1588
01:22:47.720 --> 01:22:49.039
<v Speaker 1>got to comment for Troy's ticket.

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01:22:50.600 --> 01:22:50.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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01:22:51.239 --> 01:22:54.840
<v Speaker 15>In Colorado they helped some jurisdiction on private property, believe

1591
01:22:54.840 --> 01:22:59.239
<v Speaker 15>it or not. Plus, things like banks, shopping centers can

1592
01:22:59.359 --> 01:23:02.880
<v Speaker 15>to dedicate their property in different ways. Usually it's called

1593
01:23:03.479 --> 01:23:07.119
<v Speaker 15>dedicated city property, which allows law enforcement to do as

1594
01:23:07.159 --> 01:23:08.479
<v Speaker 15>they please, hunger.

1595
01:23:09.319 --> 01:23:10.359
<v Speaker 1>Interesting, etc.

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01:23:10.960 --> 01:23:13.760
<v Speaker 15>Just makes it easy for him and it's safer for everybody.

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01:23:14.000 --> 01:23:16.680
<v Speaker 1>So I think you're right. I think I've heard that before.

1598
01:23:16.960 --> 01:23:19.520
<v Speaker 1>You mentioned a bank, and that is a special jurisdiction.

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01:23:19.720 --> 01:23:23.159
<v Speaker 1>So thanks for sharing that. I appreciate it. I think

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<v Speaker 1>the Troy, I think you're you're your goose is cooked here,

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01:23:28.920 --> 01:23:30.560
<v Speaker 1>so to speak, on this ticket.

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01:23:30.720 --> 01:23:36.039
<v Speaker 7>So, John, is there anything he can do to withdraw

1603
01:23:36.159 --> 01:23:38.840
<v Speaker 7>his guilty plea? Can any of this be undone with

1604
01:23:38.960 --> 01:23:39.960
<v Speaker 7>a trip to the courthouse?

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01:23:40.439 --> 01:23:43.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, there are only certain circumstances that would allow

1606
01:23:43.680 --> 01:23:46.560
<v Speaker 1>you to withdraw a guilty plea, And and really, if

1607
01:23:46.600 --> 01:23:49.239
<v Speaker 1>you were, if you were interested in doing that, you're

1608
01:23:49.279 --> 01:23:51.840
<v Speaker 1>almost going to have to have an attorney involved. And

1609
01:23:52.279 --> 01:23:54.600
<v Speaker 1>even then I think it might be might be difficult

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01:23:54.680 --> 01:23:58.039
<v Speaker 1>given all the things that you waived and you know what,

1611
01:23:58.239 --> 01:24:03.439
<v Speaker 1>not to enter that guilty plea online. So Troy, unfortunately,

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01:24:03.560 --> 01:24:06.279
<v Speaker 1>I think you're I think you've reached the end of

1613
01:24:06.279 --> 01:24:09.680
<v Speaker 1>the road on that. So good luck in the future. John,

1614
01:24:09.800 --> 01:24:12.399
<v Speaker 1>You've got a question about traffic tickets. What's going on? John?

1615
01:24:13.800 --> 01:24:15.399
<v Speaker 1>Hold on, John, We'll be right back. We got to

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01:24:15.439 --> 01:24:16.159
<v Speaker 1>take a quick break.

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<v Speaker 1>Good afternoon. This is John Fuller on the Troubleshooter Network.

1628
01:25:09.960 --> 01:25:12.399
<v Speaker 1>I'm Tilly in for Tom and Mark today and we're

1629
01:25:12.479 --> 01:25:15.000
<v Speaker 1>just going through all sorts of good stuff. We're here

1630
01:25:15.039 --> 01:25:17.680
<v Speaker 1>to help you solve your problems, answer questions, and take complaints.

1631
01:25:18.279 --> 01:25:20.600
<v Speaker 1>Following up on the dash Can conversation, we had a

1632
01:25:20.680 --> 01:25:25.600
<v Speaker 1>listener email me asking for a specific recommendation. Ma'am, I

1633
01:25:25.640 --> 01:25:26.800
<v Speaker 1>would say, if you want to give me a call

1634
01:25:26.920 --> 01:25:28.920
<v Speaker 1>later in the office, I will go onto Amazon and

1635
01:25:29.039 --> 01:25:32.079
<v Speaker 1>help you pick one out. I don't have the exact

1636
01:25:32.319 --> 01:25:36.600
<v Speaker 1>make and model that I used to recommend. And here's

1637
01:25:36.600 --> 01:25:38.760
<v Speaker 1>the reason why I think that there is a little

1638
01:25:38.800 --> 01:25:42.000
<v Speaker 1>bit of a variable that you need to decide, such

1639
01:25:42.119 --> 01:25:45.800
<v Speaker 1>as some contain a camera for the back of your

1640
01:25:45.920 --> 01:25:48.399
<v Speaker 1>vehicle as well as for the front. Some contain a

1641
01:25:48.479 --> 01:25:51.239
<v Speaker 1>camera for the inside of your vehicle as well. So

1642
01:25:51.359 --> 01:25:53.680
<v Speaker 1>you can either have a front, back, or an inside

1643
01:25:53.840 --> 01:25:56.600
<v Speaker 1>or all three, and you really need to decide for

1644
01:25:56.720 --> 01:26:00.119
<v Speaker 1>yourself which one you want. And so I think it'sind

1645
01:26:00.119 --> 01:26:02.720
<v Speaker 1>of crazy to buy one that has all three if

1646
01:26:02.760 --> 01:26:05.720
<v Speaker 1>you only really need a forward looking dash cam. In

1647
01:26:05.840 --> 01:26:08.279
<v Speaker 1>my mind, the most important one is the forward looking

1648
01:26:08.399 --> 01:26:11.319
<v Speaker 1>dash cam because that's going to generally get all of

1649
01:26:11.439 --> 01:26:15.600
<v Speaker 1>the street traffic lights and stuff that are going on,

1650
01:26:15.880 --> 01:26:18.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, immediately before an accident. If somebody rear ends you,

1651
01:26:19.479 --> 01:26:22.199
<v Speaker 1>that rarely is in dispute. I mean, the fact that

1652
01:26:22.279 --> 01:26:24.000
<v Speaker 1>the front of their car hit the back of yours

1653
01:26:24.119 --> 01:26:27.880
<v Speaker 1>is kind of a no brainer. Unless you were going

1654
01:26:28.000 --> 01:26:30.920
<v Speaker 1>backwards down the road doing fifty miles an hour. Chances

1655
01:26:30.920 --> 01:26:33.920
<v Speaker 1>are pretty good that that person was liable for running

1656
01:26:33.960 --> 01:26:37.119
<v Speaker 1>into you, and indeed there's a presumption of liability. But

1657
01:26:37.399 --> 01:26:40.279
<v Speaker 1>I would you know, at the expense of recommending a

1658
01:26:40.359 --> 01:26:43.479
<v Speaker 1>particular brand. That's what I look at is just what

1659
01:26:44.079 --> 01:26:48.119
<v Speaker 1>model best fits my needs for my vehicle. Back in

1660
01:26:48.279 --> 01:26:51.239
<v Speaker 1>the day, I used to drive a pickup and I,

1661
01:26:52.479 --> 01:26:55.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, I felt like the rear facing camera really

1662
01:26:55.079 --> 01:26:57.479
<v Speaker 1>didn't make any sense because the bed of the pickup

1663
01:26:57.960 --> 01:27:00.920
<v Speaker 1>the tailgate when it was closed, which was high enough

1664
01:27:01.640 --> 01:27:04.479
<v Speaker 1>that it didn't really allow the camera to look down

1665
01:27:04.560 --> 01:27:06.359
<v Speaker 1>on the car behind you. So it was kind of

1666
01:27:06.439 --> 01:27:09.079
<v Speaker 1>a waste to put in a rear facing camera. So

1667
01:27:09.399 --> 01:27:12.199
<v Speaker 1>it really depends on your vehicle and you know what

1668
01:27:13.319 --> 01:27:14.039
<v Speaker 1>works best for you.

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01:27:14.239 --> 01:27:17.399
<v Speaker 4>If you go on YouTube, there are a load of

1670
01:27:18.600 --> 01:27:23.079
<v Speaker 4>unbiased reviews of veshcams giving what the pros and cons

1671
01:27:23.119 --> 01:27:25.399
<v Speaker 4>of each mindel age what the cost is, which is

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01:27:25.439 --> 01:27:26.359
<v Speaker 4>how I bought mine.

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01:27:26.479 --> 01:27:28.600
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but you go on YouTube, you can find a

1674
01:27:28.760 --> 01:27:29.359
<v Speaker 6>myriad of.

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01:27:30.039 --> 01:27:32.640
<v Speaker 4>People that will give you a good idea of what

1676
01:27:32.760 --> 01:27:34.279
<v Speaker 4>to buy depending on what your needs are.

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01:27:34.520 --> 01:27:37.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's great, you guys. So, Susan, if you exhaust

1678
01:27:37.880 --> 01:27:39.600
<v Speaker 1>that and you don't find an answer to your question

1679
01:27:40.079 --> 01:27:41.479
<v Speaker 1>and you want to give me a call later, I'd

1680
01:27:41.520 --> 01:27:42.239
<v Speaker 1>be happy to help you.

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01:27:42.319 --> 01:27:45.680
<v Speaker 7>So can you please address the possible downside of a

1682
01:27:46.119 --> 01:27:50.960
<v Speaker 7>driver facing camera because it could catch you holding a

1683
01:27:51.079 --> 01:27:55.359
<v Speaker 7>coffee or a phone or shaving, and so my concern

1684
01:27:55.560 --> 01:27:58.840
<v Speaker 7>would be providing some sort of evidence to the other side.

1685
01:27:58.880 --> 01:28:01.600
<v Speaker 7>That's going to be used against me in a claim

1686
01:28:01.640 --> 01:28:04.840
<v Speaker 7>of contributory negligence because I'm operating my shaver when I'm

1687
01:28:04.920 --> 01:28:05.760
<v Speaker 7>driving down the road.

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01:28:06.079 --> 01:28:09.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, don't shave on the road. You know, solid advice

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01:28:10.039 --> 01:28:13.000
<v Speaker 1>from a from an historian Stoyer. Don't put your don't

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01:28:13.000 --> 01:28:15.159
<v Speaker 1>put your makeup on driving down the road. You know

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01:28:15.319 --> 01:28:17.199
<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff. Do you eat my bowl of soup.

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01:28:17.319 --> 01:28:19.840
<v Speaker 1>You can eat your soup. Dragon, Come on, man, thank you,

1693
01:28:20.159 --> 01:28:24.479
<v Speaker 1>good lord. You know, listen, that's just a legit thing.

1694
01:28:24.600 --> 01:28:26.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean, what's good for the goose is good for

1695
01:28:26.359 --> 01:28:29.479
<v Speaker 1>the gander. If you have your vehicle all wired up

1696
01:28:29.600 --> 01:28:32.680
<v Speaker 1>with surround sound and cameras looking in every direction. I mean,

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01:28:33.119 --> 01:28:35.039
<v Speaker 1>you know, there's a lot of Uber drivers that have

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01:28:35.319 --> 01:28:37.840
<v Speaker 1>interior cameras and stuff because they want to they want

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01:28:37.880 --> 01:28:40.159
<v Speaker 1>to make sure to capture if something, you know, they

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01:28:40.199 --> 01:28:42.680
<v Speaker 1>get assaulted or anything like that goes on, or somebody

1701
01:28:42.760 --> 01:28:44.720
<v Speaker 1>barfs in the back seat over there. They want to

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01:28:44.840 --> 01:28:45.560
<v Speaker 1>justify the fee.

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01:28:46.319 --> 01:28:46.600
<v Speaker 21>You know what.

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01:28:47.199 --> 01:28:50.199
<v Speaker 4>Also, they do it because of any any claims of

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01:28:51.159 --> 01:28:55.079
<v Speaker 4>female passengers being abused or sexually assaulted.

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01:28:55.119 --> 01:28:57.199
<v Speaker 1>They have, like Dragon in the back seat. That's always

1707
01:28:57.199 --> 01:28:57.760
<v Speaker 1>a risk.

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01:28:58.279 --> 01:29:01.960
<v Speaker 7>You know, here's the blackballed from every right share app

1709
01:29:02.000 --> 01:29:02.399
<v Speaker 7>out there.

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01:29:02.680 --> 01:29:05.000
<v Speaker 1>He has to log in and they're like, not today, sir.

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01:29:05.239 --> 01:29:07.439
<v Speaker 4>Hey John, This leads us into what you were talking about,

1712
01:29:07.760 --> 01:29:09.439
<v Speaker 4>the new laws that are coming into effect.

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01:29:10.000 --> 01:29:12.399
<v Speaker 6>What what what ones you think are important?

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01:29:12.560 --> 01:29:14.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's get to that. John's got to comment or

1715
01:29:14.800 --> 01:29:17.000
<v Speaker 1>a question about traffic tickets. Let's handle that real quick,

1716
01:29:17.039 --> 01:29:18.720
<v Speaker 1>and then let's go down the list of the new laws.

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01:29:18.800 --> 01:29:20.079
<v Speaker 1>So John, what's going on?

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01:29:20.239 --> 01:29:22.720
<v Speaker 13>But thanks John, this is one of them.

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01:29:22.760 --> 01:29:24.640
<v Speaker 18>And this is right.

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01:29:25.279 --> 01:29:28.800
<v Speaker 13>It's crossing over this WL lines into uh the UH

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01:29:29.000 --> 01:29:32.600
<v Speaker 13>express range yep, and they're going to start enforcing this. Well,

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01:29:32.920 --> 01:29:36.079
<v Speaker 13>I got one early and it didn't come through as

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01:29:36.119 --> 01:29:37.079
<v Speaker 13>a moving violation.

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01:29:37.279 --> 01:29:39.079
<v Speaker 8>It came through as a civil fine.

1725
01:29:39.359 --> 01:29:39.520
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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01:29:39.640 --> 01:29:41.800
<v Speaker 13>And this is a violation. I should have the right

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01:29:41.880 --> 01:29:43.560
<v Speaker 13>to defend myself to my user.

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01:29:44.199 --> 01:29:45.600
<v Speaker 8>How is this a legal ticket?

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01:29:45.920 --> 01:29:50.640
<v Speaker 1>I totally agree with you, John, you're like my brother

1730
01:29:50.800 --> 01:29:54.319
<v Speaker 1>calling I think or something. Here's the deal that that

1731
01:29:54.760 --> 01:29:57.960
<v Speaker 1>that is a civil violation. It is specifically set up

1732
01:29:58.000 --> 01:30:00.279
<v Speaker 1>that way so so that you don't have the right

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01:30:00.359 --> 01:30:03.199
<v Speaker 1>to go to court and challenge it, because there's almost

1734
01:30:03.319 --> 01:30:05.680
<v Speaker 1>no way that they could really defend without dragging in

1735
01:30:06.119 --> 01:30:09.439
<v Speaker 1>tons of camera equipment and the films and everything else,

1736
01:30:09.960 --> 01:30:13.199
<v Speaker 1>and it's just a racket, in my opinion. I have

1737
01:30:13.359 --> 01:30:16.479
<v Speaker 1>actually received one of those same little love letters in

1738
01:30:16.560 --> 01:30:21.000
<v Speaker 1>the mail myself, and though I know I had barely

1739
01:30:21.119 --> 01:30:24.000
<v Speaker 1>cut the corner of entering one of those lanes and stuff,

1740
01:30:24.399 --> 01:30:27.880
<v Speaker 1>but the dang pictures were so clear and it was

1741
01:30:28.000 --> 01:30:30.600
<v Speaker 1>forward backward, sideways. It was like there was a dang

1742
01:30:30.680 --> 01:30:34.840
<v Speaker 1>helicopter following me down the road and taking this photograph

1743
01:30:35.359 --> 01:30:38.319
<v Speaker 1>that I paid it, But I mean, it's scary. And

1744
01:30:38.439 --> 01:30:42.000
<v Speaker 1>I drive that express lane every single day, and you

1745
01:30:42.399 --> 01:30:45.159
<v Speaker 1>really have to watch because even when you think it's

1746
01:30:45.319 --> 01:30:48.640
<v Speaker 1>you're in a spot that you can move over, you

1747
01:30:48.800 --> 01:30:50.760
<v Speaker 1>got to be careful. And so when you get behind

1748
01:30:50.800 --> 01:30:54.119
<v Speaker 1>somebody like Dmitri that's doing twenty miles under the speed

1749
01:30:54.199 --> 01:30:56.279
<v Speaker 1>limit or something in the left lane, that's the rinker

1750
01:30:56.359 --> 01:30:59.479
<v Speaker 1>always on with the blinkers hazards on at the same time.

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01:30:59.600 --> 01:31:04.079
<v Speaker 13>And in my situation, I was like you, I was

1752
01:31:04.119 --> 01:31:07.560
<v Speaker 13>a little late getting in, but I ran the whole lane.

1753
01:31:07.640 --> 01:31:09.560
<v Speaker 13>I ran the whole express.

1754
01:31:09.399 --> 01:31:11.319
<v Speaker 15>Lane and I got and I got charged for it,

1755
01:31:11.680 --> 01:31:12.960
<v Speaker 15>So they should be able to see.

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01:31:12.800 --> 01:31:15.720
<v Speaker 13>That I didn't do anything ill, like literally illegal like

1757
01:31:15.840 --> 01:31:19.159
<v Speaker 13>cutting lane, shifting in and out. I was, I got in,

1758
01:31:19.479 --> 01:31:21.760
<v Speaker 13>I ran the whole track, and I should be able

1759
01:31:21.760 --> 01:31:24.439
<v Speaker 13>to defend myself in a situation like that.

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01:31:24.640 --> 01:31:26.319
<v Speaker 20>So how is these tickets legal?

1761
01:31:26.720 --> 01:31:26.760
<v Speaker 11>No?

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01:31:26.920 --> 01:31:29.359
<v Speaker 1>I agree with you because they said they're legal, and

1763
01:31:29.479 --> 01:31:33.680
<v Speaker 1>they that that agency basically enacted a rule that says

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01:31:33.720 --> 01:31:35.479
<v Speaker 1>that they can do that. I will tell you that

1765
01:31:35.640 --> 01:31:38.000
<v Speaker 1>on the ticket, they do offer you the ability to

1766
01:31:38.079 --> 01:31:40.840
<v Speaker 1>go in and challenge it, but it's a totally administrative

1767
01:31:41.239 --> 01:31:44.119
<v Speaker 1>little hearing, and I don't know anybody that's actually done it,

1768
01:31:44.199 --> 01:31:47.600
<v Speaker 1>but there's nothing about it there that that resembles a

1769
01:31:47.720 --> 01:31:51.079
<v Speaker 1>court of law. And if that were a defense man,

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01:31:51.159 --> 01:31:54.199
<v Speaker 1>I've got a five page express toll ticket every single

1771
01:31:54.279 --> 01:31:56.640
<v Speaker 1>month I would get I would go in there every

1772
01:31:56.720 --> 01:31:59.399
<v Speaker 1>time that something like that happened. But I, you know,

1773
01:31:59.680 --> 01:32:01.199
<v Speaker 1>like you, I just wrote the dang check.

1774
01:32:01.279 --> 01:32:03.720
<v Speaker 7>And what if you're just trying to avoid some debris

1775
01:32:03.800 --> 01:32:05.760
<v Speaker 7>in the road and you swing out a little bit.

1776
01:32:05.840 --> 01:32:08.640
<v Speaker 7>You should be able to explain yourself to somebody.

1777
01:32:08.840 --> 01:32:11.960
<v Speaker 1>I agree, and hopefully that hearing affords you that opportunity.

1778
01:32:12.079 --> 01:32:14.319
<v Speaker 1>But you better hope that that debris on the camera

1779
01:32:14.600 --> 01:32:16.960
<v Speaker 1>or you're you know, the problem is you don't get

1780
01:32:17.000 --> 01:32:19.760
<v Speaker 1>the ticket for you know, four or five weeks down

1781
01:32:19.800 --> 01:32:21.560
<v Speaker 1>the road. It's not like you get it two days

1782
01:32:21.640 --> 01:32:23.479
<v Speaker 1>later and you go, oh, yeah, there was a tire

1783
01:32:23.560 --> 01:32:24.399
<v Speaker 1>in the room, and then my.

1784
01:32:24.479 --> 01:32:26.920
<v Speaker 7>Dash cam video has already been overwritten.

1785
01:32:26.600 --> 01:32:30.159
<v Speaker 1>Right right, So that's definitely an issue. So John, I

1786
01:32:30.199 --> 01:32:31.920
<v Speaker 1>wish I had a better answer for you, Bud, but

1787
01:32:32.359 --> 01:32:35.840
<v Speaker 1>it's it's a money grab, is all it is. They're

1788
01:32:35.920 --> 01:32:38.359
<v Speaker 1>trying to recoup the money that it costs to build

1789
01:32:38.399 --> 01:32:40.560
<v Speaker 1>those extra lanes, and I think it's just we're going

1790
01:32:40.640 --> 01:32:43.319
<v Speaker 1>to get more of the same going forward until we've

1791
01:32:43.359 --> 01:32:46.000
<v Speaker 1>got those express lanes all over the Metro area and

1792
01:32:46.640 --> 01:32:50.119
<v Speaker 1>up the Mountain Quarter and everywhere else. So good luck

1793
01:32:50.159 --> 01:32:53.960
<v Speaker 1>to you, partner. We're going to be talking now about

1794
01:32:54.039 --> 01:32:57.319
<v Speaker 1>some of the new laws and that went into effect yesterday,

1795
01:32:57.479 --> 01:32:59.359
<v Speaker 1>and I have to say that some of them are

1796
01:32:59.560 --> 01:33:03.720
<v Speaker 1>just utterly ridiculous. And I don't want to get into

1797
01:33:03.800 --> 01:33:08.239
<v Speaker 1>the politics of the situation, but things like the cell

1798
01:33:08.319 --> 01:33:11.840
<v Speaker 1>phone issue. I mean, look, I'm a guy that handles

1799
01:33:12.000 --> 01:33:15.600
<v Speaker 1>cases where people do dumb stuff and cause accidents, and

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01:33:15.720 --> 01:33:18.439
<v Speaker 1>I am not in any way suggesting that you should

1801
01:33:18.640 --> 01:33:22.479
<v Speaker 1>use your telephone on, you know, while driving, or you

1802
01:33:22.520 --> 01:33:24.560
<v Speaker 1>should be texting or any of that stuff, and I

1803
01:33:24.680 --> 01:33:28.159
<v Speaker 1>hear it all the time. But to prohibit somebody from

1804
01:33:28.279 --> 01:33:30.960
<v Speaker 1>even touching their phone or picking up the phone, it's

1805
01:33:31.079 --> 01:33:34.920
<v Speaker 1>just ridiculous. And you know, just ride share apps, You've

1806
01:33:35.000 --> 01:33:38.600
<v Speaker 1>got things like ways and you know, maps and stuff

1807
01:33:38.640 --> 01:33:41.840
<v Speaker 1>that can absolutely help you avoid dangerous things on the

1808
01:33:41.920 --> 01:33:44.319
<v Speaker 1>roadway and stuff that are getting in your way. I

1809
01:33:44.439 --> 01:33:48.399
<v Speaker 1>just think that's crazy and it's an overstep by the authorities.

1810
01:33:48.479 --> 01:33:53.000
<v Speaker 1>I also am concerned about the primary offence aspect and

1811
01:33:53.399 --> 01:33:55.479
<v Speaker 1>whether that allows the cops to pull you over for

1812
01:33:55.600 --> 01:33:58.199
<v Speaker 1>that and no other reason, because I think that opens

1813
01:33:58.279 --> 01:34:01.680
<v Speaker 1>the door to some search and seizure issues that are

1814
01:34:01.720 --> 01:34:03.960
<v Speaker 1>going to be problematic for a number of people, going, Hey.

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01:34:03.920 --> 01:34:06.199
<v Speaker 6>John, don't you think it's so easy to get a

1816
01:34:06.279 --> 01:34:07.199
<v Speaker 6>phone holder.

1817
01:34:08.439 --> 01:34:08.640
<v Speaker 18>Rather?

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01:34:08.720 --> 01:34:10.800
<v Speaker 4>You know, just there's so many models we can just

1819
01:34:10.880 --> 01:34:13.359
<v Speaker 4>throw on your dash or your Winchiel and look at

1820
01:34:13.439 --> 01:34:15.000
<v Speaker 4>it without using your hands.

1821
01:34:16.039 --> 01:34:17.640
<v Speaker 6>I have to disagree with you on this. I think

1822
01:34:17.720 --> 01:34:19.600
<v Speaker 6>it's it's a reasonable.

1823
01:34:19.159 --> 01:34:21.800
<v Speaker 4>Law that you really should not be looking at your

1824
01:34:21.840 --> 01:34:24.119
<v Speaker 4>phone or having your phone while you're driving.

1825
01:34:24.279 --> 01:34:26.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but what's the difference in looking down at the

1826
01:34:26.479 --> 01:34:28.159
<v Speaker 1>phone in your hand and looking at the phone in

1827
01:34:28.239 --> 01:34:30.840
<v Speaker 1>a holder two inches away in your cup holder.

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01:34:31.359 --> 01:34:31.560
<v Speaker 16>Yeah.

1829
01:34:33.039 --> 01:34:35.199
<v Speaker 6>No, I think it's dangerous to be looking at your

1830
01:34:35.239 --> 01:34:35.680
<v Speaker 6>cup holder.

1831
01:34:35.920 --> 01:34:39.319
<v Speaker 1>It should be on. I mean, so then what's the answer.

1832
01:34:39.359 --> 01:34:41.800
<v Speaker 1>Do you want to just ban phones and cars all together?

1833
01:34:42.119 --> 01:34:42.159
<v Speaker 21>No?

1834
01:34:42.319 --> 01:34:44.159
<v Speaker 6>I think this is a reasonable law, that's all.

1835
01:34:45.199 --> 01:34:48.720
<v Speaker 5>I don't like the law because sometimes I need to

1836
01:34:48.760 --> 01:34:50.600
<v Speaker 5>pick up the phone just to glance at it, to

1837
01:34:50.680 --> 01:34:53.199
<v Speaker 5>look at the GPS. And John, you made a valid point.

1838
01:34:53.560 --> 01:34:56.359
<v Speaker 5>It's another way for the government to take away our

1839
01:34:56.439 --> 01:35:00.319
<v Speaker 5>rights because it's giving to police another probable ca odds

1840
01:35:00.399 --> 01:35:02.319
<v Speaker 5>to pull you over. I mean, they can pull you

1841
01:35:02.399 --> 01:35:04.199
<v Speaker 5>over and they just say you're handling your phone, and

1842
01:35:04.239 --> 01:35:07.399
<v Speaker 5>then the search would give them probable cause and look

1843
01:35:07.720 --> 01:35:11.439
<v Speaker 5>at other things. It just gives the police war. Yeah rights,

1844
01:35:11.640 --> 01:35:14.960
<v Speaker 5>then our rights of citizens being taken away by all

1845
01:35:15.000 --> 01:35:15.199
<v Speaker 5>of them.

1846
01:35:15.239 --> 01:35:16.680
<v Speaker 6>I don't think it gives them the right to search

1847
01:35:16.760 --> 01:35:17.039
<v Speaker 6>your car.

1848
01:35:17.479 --> 01:35:22.000
<v Speaker 1>Sure does, doc Absolutely, it's a if it's a valid stop,

1849
01:35:22.079 --> 01:35:25.199
<v Speaker 1>it's a valid It gives them a product into that.

1850
01:35:25.399 --> 01:35:27.600
<v Speaker 1>So no, hey, we're going to talk about this when

1851
01:35:27.640 --> 01:35:29.000
<v Speaker 1>we get right back. We've got to take a quick

1852
01:35:29.039 --> 01:35:29.800
<v Speaker 1>break there, Dot.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the only show of its kind where

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01:36:16.439 --> 01:36:19.960
<v Speaker 1>we have recovered over three hundred million dollars in cash,

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01:36:20.039 --> 01:36:23.399
<v Speaker 1>merchandise exchanges and refunds directly because of this show. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the one and only Tom Martino show the

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01:36:26.640 --> 01:36:30.560
<v Speaker 1>Troubleshooter Network. My name is John Fuller. I'm a personal

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01:36:30.600 --> 01:36:33.239
<v Speaker 1>injury attorney here in Denver. Have been called in for

1869
01:36:33.399 --> 01:36:37.840
<v Speaker 1>special duty for today and tomorrow. I've got my noble

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<v Speaker 1>staff of deputies here, Dimitri, Doc and Bow and we

1871
01:36:41.279 --> 01:36:43.279
<v Speaker 1>are working through all of the important issues.

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01:36:43.399 --> 01:36:44.840
<v Speaker 4>Well, I think Tom thought is going to be a

1873
01:36:44.920 --> 01:36:47.479
<v Speaker 4>car wreck, so that's why he brought you into this show.

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01:36:48.680 --> 01:36:51.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it could have happened, but much to his chagrin

1875
01:36:51.680 --> 01:36:54.479
<v Speaker 1>did in today. So hey, we're we're looking at open

1876
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<v Speaker 1>lines right now. We are here to help you with

1877
01:36:56.279 --> 01:36:58.800
<v Speaker 1>your problems. Give us a call about anything. It could

1878
01:36:58.840 --> 01:37:03.399
<v Speaker 1>be personal, injury related, it could be any problem whatsoever

1879
01:37:03.560 --> 01:37:06.840
<v Speaker 1>that you need help on. We've covered a lot of

1880
01:37:06.880 --> 01:37:09.720
<v Speaker 1>ground this morning. We had a guy that whose wife

1881
01:37:10.000 --> 01:37:13.159
<v Speaker 1>was scammed out of several thousand dollars due to a

1882
01:37:14.000 --> 01:37:17.600
<v Speaker 1>phone scam where they claim to be you know, fraud

1883
01:37:17.720 --> 01:37:20.600
<v Speaker 1>department in his bank and you know, claim that the

1884
01:37:20.680 --> 01:37:24.199
<v Speaker 1>bank was getting shut down and all this craziness. Hey,

1885
01:37:24.279 --> 01:37:25.840
<v Speaker 1>the point of the matter is that we all got

1886
01:37:25.960 --> 01:37:27.800
<v Speaker 1>to work together to protect each other. And when you

1887
01:37:27.880 --> 01:37:30.039
<v Speaker 1>hear these scams, you need to listen and take it

1888
01:37:30.119 --> 01:37:32.800
<v Speaker 1>to heart because it could easily happen to you or

1889
01:37:32.880 --> 01:37:35.119
<v Speaker 1>your loved one, or your mom, or your wife, or

1890
01:37:35.199 --> 01:37:37.439
<v Speaker 1>your kid or anything else. And so the more we

1891
01:37:37.600 --> 01:37:40.840
<v Speaker 1>know about these issues, the better we can help, you know,

1892
01:37:41.439 --> 01:37:43.840
<v Speaker 1>prevent it from happening. And just as soon as we

1893
01:37:44.359 --> 01:37:46.560
<v Speaker 1>get on top of one, these guys are pretty smart

1894
01:37:46.600 --> 01:37:48.439
<v Speaker 1>and diligent, they'll come up with a new scam and

1895
01:37:48.520 --> 01:37:49.800
<v Speaker 1>we'll be dealing with them tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 4>I just want to interject that anytime you get a

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01:37:53.119 --> 01:37:57.920
<v Speaker 4>phone call from from an organization or a government agency

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01:37:58.159 --> 01:37:59.760
<v Speaker 4>or a business, it's a scam.

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<v Speaker 1>They do not call you.

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<v Speaker 4>They will send you in either an email or in

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01:38:04.199 --> 01:38:06.439
<v Speaker 4>the case of the government, they will send you a

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01:38:07.199 --> 01:38:11.600
<v Speaker 4>snail mail on official stationery. So the government never calls

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01:38:11.680 --> 01:38:15.960
<v Speaker 4>individuals and companies never do either. So if you get

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01:38:16.000 --> 01:38:17.199
<v Speaker 4>a call, it's a scam.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's great advice, you know, and it

1906
01:38:21.279 --> 01:38:24.720
<v Speaker 1>goes beyond just financial stuff. I mean, you've got to

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01:38:24.760 --> 01:38:27.720
<v Speaker 1>protect your own personal health information at the same time.

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01:38:27.840 --> 01:38:29.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean I was just telling the story off the air.

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<v Speaker 1>My wife's company has a pretty robust health insurance package

1910
01:38:34.840 --> 01:38:38.600
<v Speaker 1>and it includes somebody to call you and like a

1911
01:38:38.720 --> 01:38:41.640
<v Speaker 1>health coach or something along those lines. And so I

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01:38:41.760 --> 01:38:44.800
<v Speaker 1>periodically get calls from people and it goes like, hey, John,

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01:38:44.920 --> 01:38:48.239
<v Speaker 1>we're so and so with whatever company, and we're here

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01:38:48.319 --> 01:38:51.479
<v Speaker 1>to talk about your quarterly you know, health coaching or whatever,

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01:38:51.960 --> 01:38:54.560
<v Speaker 1>and we just need you to verify your identity by

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01:38:54.640 --> 01:38:57.600
<v Speaker 1>giving us your date of birth and something else I

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01:38:57.640 --> 01:38:59.640
<v Speaker 1>don't know what it is. And that's where the call

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01:38:59.840 --> 01:39:03.239
<v Speaker 1>is right there. I politely decline and say, look, you're

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01:39:03.279 --> 01:39:06.039
<v Speaker 1>not going to call me and ask me to give

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01:39:06.119 --> 01:39:09.399
<v Speaker 1>you personal health information over the phone. That's just crazy.

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01:39:10.000 --> 01:39:12.319
<v Speaker 1>And so the same rule applies. I mean, and they

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01:39:12.439 --> 01:39:15.479
<v Speaker 1>sound convincing, and I'm sure that these people are the

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01:39:15.640 --> 01:39:17.680
<v Speaker 1>real people, and I've talked to them, like how many

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01:39:17.720 --> 01:39:20.439
<v Speaker 1>people refuse, and they're like, you know, once in a

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01:39:20.520 --> 01:39:23.600
<v Speaker 1>blue moon, you know. So that tells me that most people,

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01:39:23.680 --> 01:39:26.399
<v Speaker 1>when it sounds legit, they just turn over the information

1927
01:39:26.600 --> 01:39:30.399
<v Speaker 1>and you know, and maybe a lot of times it's okay,

1928
01:39:30.479 --> 01:39:35.279
<v Speaker 1>but sometimes, like the caller earlier, he's out ten grand

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01:39:35.479 --> 01:39:39.560
<v Speaker 1>or twelve grand, and his wife was, you know, scared

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01:39:39.600 --> 01:39:41.760
<v Speaker 1>to death that she was doing the right thing when

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01:39:41.840 --> 01:39:44.159
<v Speaker 1>this was going on. And so I just hate to

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01:39:44.199 --> 01:39:46.520
<v Speaker 1>see that happen. That's a lot of money and I

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01:39:46.560 --> 01:39:49.439
<v Speaker 1>don't want to see anybody become victimized. So so be

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01:39:49.640 --> 01:39:52.960
<v Speaker 1>careful out there and don't give any information out over

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01:39:53.039 --> 01:39:55.279
<v Speaker 1>the phone. So I promise you we're going to get

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01:39:55.279 --> 01:39:58.159
<v Speaker 1>to the next subject, which is Doc's favorite subject, which

1937
01:39:58.239 --> 01:40:02.319
<v Speaker 1>is medical mushrooms and in Denver. So but in the meantime,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got a couple of callers here. David, you've got

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01:40:04.600 --> 01:40:05.000
<v Speaker 1>a comment.

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<v Speaker 21>Yeah, actually, it's kudos to you to your firm. About

1941
01:40:10.319 --> 01:40:13.880
<v Speaker 21>two or three years ago, you represented my son, and

1942
01:40:14.760 --> 01:40:18.159
<v Speaker 21>not only were you fantastic, there was a little bit

1943
01:40:18.199 --> 01:40:24.720
<v Speaker 21>of a miscommunication on percentages, and you your people just

1944
01:40:24.840 --> 01:40:27.640
<v Speaker 21>said we were wrong and gave us all this money.

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01:40:27.720 --> 01:40:29.880
<v Speaker 21>And you didn't have to do that because we read

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01:40:29.920 --> 01:40:32.880
<v Speaker 21>it wrong. But you guys were treated my son like

1947
01:40:32.960 --> 01:40:34.800
<v Speaker 21>it was your boy, and I wanted you sit and

1948
01:40:34.840 --> 01:40:35.399
<v Speaker 21>I wanted you to.

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<v Speaker 1>Know that, well, hey, I appreciate that, David. I you know,

1950
01:40:40.319 --> 01:40:42.640
<v Speaker 1>it is personal to me. I'm not like a firm

1951
01:40:42.720 --> 01:40:45.079
<v Speaker 1>that you hear on the TV or something that's got

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01:40:45.119 --> 01:40:48.079
<v Speaker 1>twelve or fifteen hundred cases out there. You know, I'm

1953
01:40:48.079 --> 01:40:50.479
<v Speaker 1>the only attorney in my firm. Every single case is

1954
01:40:50.600 --> 01:40:53.239
<v Speaker 1>my case. My name is on every single fee agreement

1955
01:40:53.560 --> 01:40:55.880
<v Speaker 1>and on every single check and every single you know,

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01:40:56.119 --> 01:40:58.880
<v Speaker 1>settlement or trial or whatever we do. So it is

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01:40:59.000 --> 01:41:02.720
<v Speaker 1>personal to me. I really appreciate your call. I treat

1958
01:41:02.840 --> 01:41:06.239
<v Speaker 1>every case that way. And so if you find yourself

1959
01:41:06.319 --> 01:41:09.239
<v Speaker 1>out there, you know, maybe David, you can share a

1960
01:41:09.279 --> 01:41:12.000
<v Speaker 1>little bit more information. I mean, had you had you

1961
01:41:12.079 --> 01:41:14.600
<v Speaker 1>tried to talk to the insurance company yourselves before he

1962
01:41:14.680 --> 01:41:16.439
<v Speaker 1>made the decision to give us a call, or what

1963
01:41:16.640 --> 01:41:19.079
<v Speaker 1>really turned you around and made you pick up the phone.

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<v Speaker 21>Well, from experience my own self, I understand how the

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01:41:23.760 --> 01:41:27.239
<v Speaker 21>how it works, but no, we submitted to claim the

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01:41:27.319 --> 01:41:29.039
<v Speaker 21>other person had insurance.

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01:41:28.560 --> 01:41:31.000
<v Speaker 18>But of course we didn't agree with it. So I

1968
01:41:31.079 --> 01:41:31.720
<v Speaker 18>knew about you.

1969
01:41:31.800 --> 01:41:34.399
<v Speaker 21>From Tom Martino and I known Tom for twenty years.

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01:41:35.199 --> 01:41:36.600
<v Speaker 21>So I just gave you a call and we're in

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01:41:36.640 --> 01:41:37.119
<v Speaker 21>the Springs.

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01:41:37.199 --> 01:41:38.960
<v Speaker 15>My son came up to Denver to see you.

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01:41:39.079 --> 01:41:40.159
<v Speaker 18>And you were.

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01:41:40.640 --> 01:41:41.800
<v Speaker 21>Man, I'm telling you you were.

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01:41:43.319 --> 01:41:44.119
<v Speaker 9>You followed up.

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01:41:44.399 --> 01:41:45.840
<v Speaker 18>You followed up after we.

1977
01:41:45.920 --> 01:41:48.359
<v Speaker 21>Got the clean paid. I mean, you don't get that

1978
01:41:48.439 --> 01:41:51.159
<v Speaker 21>from a lot of people. So that's that's the whole story.

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01:41:51.199 --> 01:41:53.560
<v Speaker 21>His name was Jonathan. He was rear entered in Colorado

1980
01:41:53.600 --> 01:41:58.079
<v Speaker 21>Springs by a drunk lady. Yep, and you handled it,

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01:41:58.880 --> 01:42:01.039
<v Speaker 21>you know, if you ever have, you know, I'm gonna

1982
01:42:01.039 --> 01:42:03.880
<v Speaker 21>make a little like Joe. I'm gonna go get in

1983
01:42:03.920 --> 01:42:06.079
<v Speaker 21>an accident just so you can represent me because I.

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01:42:07.560 --> 01:42:09.199
<v Speaker 1>Just don't don't do that.

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01:42:09.399 --> 01:42:09.640
<v Speaker 6>David.

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01:42:09.680 --> 01:42:11.840
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate everything up to that point. You got to

1987
01:42:11.880 --> 01:42:14.960
<v Speaker 1>stop before you go and get into an accident. I

1988
01:42:16.000 --> 01:42:19.359
<v Speaker 1>remember your son's case. I know which one you're talking about. David.

1989
01:42:19.399 --> 01:42:23.239
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate the call very much. If you know, thanks

1990
01:42:23.279 --> 01:42:26.560
<v Speaker 1>for calling, but Steve, You've got a question about dash cans.

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01:42:26.560 --> 01:42:27.199
<v Speaker 1>What's up, Steve?

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<v Speaker 17>What I was curious is, if you have one and

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01:42:31.439 --> 01:42:35.960
<v Speaker 17>it's not complimentary to your situation, can you be compelled

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<v Speaker 17>to provide that coverage by the police or another lawyer

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01:42:40.640 --> 01:42:41.039
<v Speaker 17>or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a great question, And so here's the answer. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think Dmitri brought it up a few minutes ago.

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<v Speaker 1>What if you were putting on your makeup or something

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01:42:51.520 --> 01:42:54.399
<v Speaker 1>at the time of the accident. You know, there are

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01:42:55.159 --> 01:43:01.560
<v Speaker 1>times when we legitimately bear some responsibility for accidents, and

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01:43:02.560 --> 01:43:05.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, and and so as a lawyer, I'm probably

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01:43:05.800 --> 01:43:09.680
<v Speaker 1>not going to submit a video of you know, of

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01:43:09.840 --> 01:43:14.760
<v Speaker 1>my client unless it's complimentary to my client's case. But

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01:43:14.920 --> 01:43:17.399
<v Speaker 1>if we ever wound up in litigation and we were

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01:43:17.439 --> 01:43:20.760
<v Speaker 1>in discovery and we had a duty to to provide

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01:43:20.840 --> 01:43:23.039
<v Speaker 1>that information to the other side, we would of course

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01:43:23.119 --> 01:43:26.720
<v Speaker 1>have to to give that to the other side. So

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01:43:27.199 --> 01:43:29.319
<v Speaker 1>it's kind of a fine line between whether we're in

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01:43:29.439 --> 01:43:32.399
<v Speaker 1>litigation or we're not in litigation. But but you know,

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01:43:32.520 --> 01:43:36.039
<v Speaker 1>we would never say to a client destroy that video,

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01:43:36.239 --> 01:43:38.520
<v Speaker 1>we don't want to know it exists, or anything like that.

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01:43:39.119 --> 01:43:40.720
<v Speaker 1>It's just one of those things. That we have to

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01:43:41.000 --> 01:43:43.079
<v Speaker 1>we have to work through, so.

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<v Speaker 15>You wouldn't recommend to go out for another drive, so

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01:43:45.479 --> 01:43:45.880
<v Speaker 15>what over.

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<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately, they don't really work like that. Most of them

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01:43:50.640 --> 01:43:53.520
<v Speaker 1>accumulate like thirty days worth of data before they start

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01:43:53.560 --> 01:43:56.319
<v Speaker 1>writing over stuff, So you'd have to drive for quite

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01:43:56.359 --> 01:43:59.439
<v Speaker 1>a while to actually, you know, to record over it.

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01:43:59.560 --> 01:44:03.159
<v Speaker 1>But I mean, you know, it's it's kind of common

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01:44:03.279 --> 01:44:06.479
<v Speaker 1>sense a little bit, you know. It's it's it's a

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01:44:06.560 --> 01:44:09.319
<v Speaker 1>quest for the truth, and that's really what we're looking for.

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01:44:09.560 --> 01:44:14.800
<v Speaker 1>We're looking to make somebody be responsible for what they did.

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01:44:15.119 --> 01:44:19.039
<v Speaker 1>And if if it presents that opportunity, great, If if

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01:44:19.119 --> 01:44:21.680
<v Speaker 1>we bear some responsibility, we're going to try to advocate

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01:44:21.720 --> 01:44:23.840
<v Speaker 1>around it as much as we can, but there is

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01:44:23.920 --> 01:44:26.279
<v Speaker 1>a line that we can't cross. So thanks so much

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<v Speaker 1>for the call and the comment. I appreciate it. We

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<v Speaker 1>got to run to a break right now, but thanks.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Tom Martinez Show. This is John

2040
01:45:27.399 --> 01:45:31.359
<v Speaker 1>Fuller sitting here with Dimitri, Doc and Bo, my loyal

2041
01:45:31.439 --> 01:45:34.479
<v Speaker 1>deputies that are helping me out. I'll be here today

2042
01:45:34.479 --> 01:45:37.680
<v Speaker 1>and tomorrow. We're getting through a number of callers today.

2043
01:45:37.960 --> 01:45:40.119
<v Speaker 1>We've got open lines right now, so if you have

2044
01:45:40.239 --> 01:45:42.079
<v Speaker 1>an issue that we can help with, give us a call.

2045
01:45:42.800 --> 01:45:45.119
<v Speaker 1>We'd appreciate it. We look forward to the opportunity to

2046
01:45:45.199 --> 01:45:48.640
<v Speaker 1>help you. Doc, I want to talk to you specifically

2047
01:45:48.720 --> 01:45:55.920
<v Speaker 1>about the use of psychedelic mushrooms to treat PTSD and

2048
01:45:56.159 --> 01:46:00.600
<v Speaker 1>depression that's now been legalized in Call Dorado. Have you

2049
01:46:00.680 --> 01:46:01.159
<v Speaker 1>heard about this.

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01:46:01.560 --> 01:46:04.800
<v Speaker 4>I've heard about it, honestly, don't have any expertise in

2051
01:46:04.880 --> 01:46:05.319
<v Speaker 4>the area.

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01:46:05.640 --> 01:46:09.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well I haven't used it. Normalized psychiatrist, Well, what

2053
01:46:09.520 --> 01:46:11.880
<v Speaker 1>do you think about the use of like these non

2054
01:46:12.000 --> 01:46:17.239
<v Speaker 1>traditional things to treat real, live, traditional medical conditions. I

2055
01:46:17.319 --> 01:46:20.119
<v Speaker 1>think if the fact base and they work, there's no

2056
01:46:20.199 --> 01:46:22.279
<v Speaker 1>reason why we shouldn't be able to use them. How

2057
01:46:22.319 --> 01:46:24.760
<v Speaker 1>do you really track whether they work or not? I mean,

2058
01:46:24.800 --> 01:46:28.560
<v Speaker 1>what's the mechanism to prove that a particular strain of

2059
01:46:28.680 --> 01:46:32.039
<v Speaker 1>mushroom is going to be effective versus another one? And

2060
01:46:32.680 --> 01:46:34.399
<v Speaker 1>do sing and all that stuff. I mean, how do

2061
01:46:34.479 --> 01:46:36.119
<v Speaker 1>you really know what you're getting into?

2062
01:46:36.399 --> 01:46:36.600
<v Speaker 18>Well?

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01:46:36.720 --> 01:46:39.640
<v Speaker 4>I think I think with mushrooms, it's the active ingredient

2064
01:46:39.640 --> 01:46:43.159
<v Speaker 4>of the lysogic acid, So it's like anything else, it's

2065
01:46:43.479 --> 01:46:46.760
<v Speaker 4>it's the content of lysergic acid in the mushroom that

2066
01:46:46.880 --> 01:46:50.720
<v Speaker 4>really is, uh, is what you're prescribing. So I think

2067
01:46:50.800 --> 01:46:53.359
<v Speaker 4>that's like any other medication, you have to have to

2068
01:46:53.399 --> 01:46:56.960
<v Speaker 4>be dose effective in order for you to establish you know.

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01:46:57.159 --> 01:46:57.600
<v Speaker 5>Cure rate.

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<v Speaker 1>But don't you think that's really the problem is that

2071
01:47:00.119 --> 01:47:04.520
<v Speaker 1>it's not being prescribed per se. It's really being kind

2072
01:47:04.560 --> 01:47:07.319
<v Speaker 1>of you know, genned up in the I don't want

2073
01:47:07.359 --> 01:47:09.760
<v Speaker 1>to say the back rooms or something. But you've got

2074
01:47:09.920 --> 01:47:14.640
<v Speaker 1>non licensed personnel that are making recommendations to people with

2075
01:47:14.760 --> 01:47:20.760
<v Speaker 1>real live medical conditions as a supposed you know, cure

2076
01:47:21.359 --> 01:47:24.399
<v Speaker 1>treatment something. I mean, don't you see the problems there?

2077
01:47:24.680 --> 01:47:24.720
<v Speaker 21>No?

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01:47:24.800 --> 01:47:24.960
<v Speaker 8>I do.

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01:47:25.119 --> 01:47:27.720
<v Speaker 4>I think that is should it should be regulated like

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01:47:27.840 --> 01:47:31.720
<v Speaker 4>other significantly impactful drugs. I mean, you can't just go

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01:47:31.800 --> 01:47:34.159
<v Speaker 4>to a uh, you know, walk into a clinic and

2082
01:47:34.239 --> 01:47:36.520
<v Speaker 4>get some morphine or dilauded or whatever.

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01:47:36.560 --> 01:47:37.279
<v Speaker 6>It's regulated.

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01:47:37.359 --> 01:47:40.920
<v Speaker 4>I think that the mushrooms out there regulated again based

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01:47:40.960 --> 01:47:44.079
<v Speaker 4>upon dosage and the you know, the ability of who

2086
01:47:44.119 --> 01:47:45.439
<v Speaker 4>it is that's following you.

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01:47:46.039 --> 01:47:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that same recommendation should apply to medical marijuana.

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01:47:52.239 --> 01:47:54.680
<v Speaker 6>Well, we've made it recreational, so it's hard to say,

2089
01:47:55.359 --> 01:47:57.880
<v Speaker 6>but I think but.

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01:47:58.000 --> 01:48:00.920
<v Speaker 1>All the logic that was behind originally legalizing it was

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01:48:01.600 --> 01:48:05.439
<v Speaker 1>from a medicinal standpoint. Well that was step one, if

2092
01:48:05.479 --> 01:48:07.800
<v Speaker 1>you will, was, oh, think of all the people that

2093
01:48:07.880 --> 01:48:10.640
<v Speaker 1>were going to help with medicinal needs, and you know,

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01:48:10.760 --> 01:48:13.039
<v Speaker 1>these four pitiful people can't get it any other way.

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01:48:13.119 --> 01:48:15.840
<v Speaker 1>That was the impetus to bring the whole thing about.

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01:48:16.079 --> 01:48:19.760
<v Speaker 4>I felt strongly that it should be regulated and it

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01:48:19.800 --> 01:48:21.600
<v Speaker 4>should only be used for medical purposes.

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01:48:23.319 --> 01:48:26.760
<v Speaker 5>I thought they legalized marijuana because the police had better

2099
01:48:26.880 --> 01:48:29.039
<v Speaker 5>things to do than the rest. People with in quarter

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01:48:29.119 --> 01:48:32.159
<v Speaker 5>owns of marijuana. So it's like alcohol. I figured they

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01:48:32.239 --> 01:48:33.960
<v Speaker 5>might as well tax the heck out of it and

2102
01:48:34.079 --> 01:48:36.479
<v Speaker 5>make the government make money on it.

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01:48:36.720 --> 01:48:38.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, bo, that's how they sold it to us.

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<v Speaker 7>But now I smelled dope almost every time I stopped

2105
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<v Speaker 7>for a red light and the window was open, So

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01:48:44.039 --> 01:48:46.600
<v Speaker 7>that was kind of like the camel's nose under the tent.

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01:48:47.119 --> 01:48:49.840
<v Speaker 7>It was supposed to be medicinal, which was kind of

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01:48:49.880 --> 01:48:53.439
<v Speaker 7>a shady, questionable claim. And now you can just walk

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<v Speaker 7>in and buy and look at how many high drivers

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<v Speaker 7>we have out there. I mean, John, you must see

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<v Speaker 7>this in some of the cases you work. And isn't

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<v Speaker 7>it very difficult to prove that the driver at fault

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<v Speaker 7>was stoned or at least high. It's not as easy

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<v Speaker 7>as with.

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<v Speaker 1>Alcohol, right, Well, no, it's not as easy. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in alcohol cases most of the time, all

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<v Speaker 1>of the time, the level of intoxication is proved after

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<v Speaker 1>the accident, right, I mean, by definition, I don't get

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<v Speaker 1>involved unless there's an accident. So somebody has gotten into

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<v Speaker 1>a crash and the cops have decided that this person

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<v Speaker 1>is likely under the influence, and then they can actually

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<v Speaker 1>force the blood draws that enable us to go back

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<v Speaker 1>and extrapolate and determine the level of intoxication, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>based upon the chemical test. So it is a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit different. We'll talk about the differences when we get

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<v Speaker 1>back from the break here in just a second.

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<v Speaker 3>Come sixth is the Troubleshooter Show. No Tom Martinez.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, good afternoon, John Fuller here in place of Tom Martine,

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<v Speaker 1>filling in for today and tomorrow. I'm here with Dimitri

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<v Speaker 1>and Doc and Bow, my loyal deputies. We're here to

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<v Speaker 1>solve your problems and help out any way we can.

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<v Speaker 1>I am a personal injury attorney. I deal with car

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<v Speaker 1>accidents primarily, and I've been doing it here in Denver

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<v Speaker 1>for the last twenty two or twenty three years, and

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<v Speaker 1>so anything that you have that might be related to that.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have any questions about insurance coverage, about who's

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to pay water, just kind of the way these

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<v Speaker 1>deals go down, feel free to give me a call.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm more than happy to discuss those issues and anything

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<v Speaker 1>else that comes up. So before we went into the break,

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<v Speaker 1>we were talking about this new law that has legal

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<v Speaker 1>lives to some extent medical mushrooms, and we were tiptoeing

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<v Speaker 1>down the road of you know, people driving on these

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<v Speaker 1>and whether or not it's a purely medicinal issue, and

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<v Speaker 1>then it kind of drifted over into marijuana, and the

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<v Speaker 1>issue came up of you know, impairment and driving and

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<v Speaker 1>how do you ever determine whether somebody is impaired for

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<v Speaker 1>something that that people build up a tolerance for and

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<v Speaker 1>and often, you know, suggests that that you know, a

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01:52:10.119 --> 01:52:13.199
<v Speaker 1>certain quantity of stuff has no effect on them whatsoever

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<v Speaker 1>other than to if to provide pain relief for whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, other issue they're trying to remediate. And and

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<v Speaker 1>so Doc had a suggestion, and I don't think.

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<v Speaker 4>It was on the air, but what was your thought, Doc, Well,

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<v Speaker 4>my thought was that everybody has a cell phone, so

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<v Speaker 4>you have an app on your cell phone that just

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<v Speaker 4>you have to give it to the person and it

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<v Speaker 4>changes color or some something where you're testing your reaction

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<v Speaker 4>time and if you if your reaction time is normal.

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<v Speaker 6>To me, that's what I care about. Somebody's on marijuana.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to know that they can where my break

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<v Speaker 4>lights go on, whether it's a red light or stop sign,

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<v Speaker 4>they're going to react with the certain parameters that are safe.

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<v Speaker 4>And if they fail the reaction time tests, that you

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<v Speaker 4>can pull them aside and do further testing. But if

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<v Speaker 4>somebody can react normally, then to me, I don't feel

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<v Speaker 4>there are danger on the road.

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<v Speaker 6>That was my suggestion.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean that's I think it brings up an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting point. I mean, the issue is is impairment, but

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<v Speaker 1>we've long gotten over the idea that that impairment is

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<v Speaker 1>the test. And so in the in the example of

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<v Speaker 1>alcohol that you brought up, you know, we have decided

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<v Speaker 1>as a society that if you have a blood alcohol

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<v Speaker 1>level that exceeds a certain threshold, you are by definition

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<v Speaker 1>under the influence and incapable of operating a vehicle as

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<v Speaker 1>a sober person would. And yet I can tell you

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<v Speaker 1>in both the days that I used to handle, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>criminal cases, and then even some of the accident cases

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<v Speaker 1>that I've seen on you know, in my practice today,

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<v Speaker 1>there's there's countless examples of people that are just hammered

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<v Speaker 1>beyond belief. But that fool everybody, and they're completely able

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<v Speaker 1>to operate their vehicle and walk and talk and to

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<v Speaker 1>gum at the same time, and they could probably handle

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<v Speaker 1>your little reaction test with you know, with ease. And

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<v Speaker 1>so the issue becomes, these people are clearly hammered, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean hammered, But if they could pass a reaction time test,

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<v Speaker 1>would you just give them a pass and send them

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<v Speaker 1>on their way?

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<v Speaker 18>No?

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<v Speaker 4>Because with alcohol, as you say, we've decided as a

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<v Speaker 4>society that there's a certain level of blood alcohol that is.

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<v Speaker 6>Determines whether you sober or not. We haven't been able

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<v Speaker 6>to do that with marijuana.

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<v Speaker 4>So all I'm saying is this is a screening test

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<v Speaker 4>told until we have a an easily.

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<v Speaker 6>What's a private and.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I mean, I think it kind of

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<v Speaker 1>misses the point. I mean, Dmitri, did you have a comment?

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<v Speaker 7>Oh yeah, I mean, this wouldn't be the first time

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<v Speaker 7>that Doc and I had a friendly disagreement here, But man,

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<v Speaker 7>I don't think there's any level of marijuana that makes

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<v Speaker 7>you safe enough to be on the road with me

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<v Speaker 7>or any of the other potentially put your potential victims

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<v Speaker 7>out there.

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<v Speaker 1>And now you brought up John.

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<v Speaker 7>The reason this came up is the state has now

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<v Speaker 7>legalized mushrooms for supposedly for medicinal purposes only. But that's

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<v Speaker 7>how marijuana got started too. And so that giant sucking

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<v Speaker 7>sound you hear out there, that's the state of Colorado

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<v Speaker 7>doing its best to get the rest of the drug

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<v Speaker 7>addicts in the world to move over here.

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<v Speaker 1>And look how well it worked out with a dope fiends. Yeah, Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I think that's obviously a valid point. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the problem, Doc, is that when you have this little

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<v Speaker 1>app on your phone and stuff, I mean, that really

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<v Speaker 1>only goes so far when it's your loved one that

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<v Speaker 1>gets killed in an accident five minutes later. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it truly does. And so the problem is that there

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<v Speaker 1>is just no threshold that we really can look at

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<v Speaker 1>that that you know is safe. I mean, there is

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<v Speaker 1>no there. You know, the threshold for alcohol is really

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<v Speaker 1>so low that you can barely have a glass or

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<v Speaker 1>two of wine in a short period and you're done

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<v Speaker 1>or a couple of beers, or are shot or whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're flirting with that level. And so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the problem with marijuana and with mushrooms I assume I

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<v Speaker 1>assume they're the same way, but that there's not a

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<v Speaker 1>therapeutic level that we can say that over this line

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<v Speaker 1>you are officially impaired. And so you know, the challenge

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<v Speaker 1>that we'll continue to have with this in marijuana is

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, it's different for different people. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what a reaction test does, but it's a it's

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<v Speaker 1>a mess. Listeners, I'd really like to get some input

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<v Speaker 1>on this and get your opinion out there. So give

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<v Speaker 1>us a call. If you know somebody that uses mushrooms

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<v Speaker 1>for a therapeutic reason and can shed some light on this.

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<v Speaker 1>Would love to hear from you. If you yourself are

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<v Speaker 1>are in that situation, absolutely give us a call. And

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<v Speaker 1>then on the other side, you know, if you have

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<v Speaker 1>anything to add as far as the you know, impairment

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<v Speaker 1>issue and how how in the world we quantify that

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<v Speaker 1>and move forward, love for you to join the and

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<v Speaker 1>join the discussion. One other thing came up this weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a really cool staff and they have a

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<v Speaker 1>really unique background and stuff. But we went out for

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01:57:32.600 --> 01:57:36.239
<v Speaker 1>a firm kind of holiday lunch last week and then

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<v Speaker 1>I was told by my staff that, you know, everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>got these different New Year's Day routines and things that

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<v Speaker 1>they have to do. And so I grew up eating

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<v Speaker 1>black eyed peas. That was just something you had to

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<v Speaker 1>do on New Year's Day or you had bad luck

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01:57:52.439 --> 01:57:55.279
<v Speaker 1>forever and you were banished, and you know, every the

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01:57:55.359 --> 01:57:57.119
<v Speaker 1>world was going to come to an end. And so

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<v Speaker 1>even to this day, we don't dare let a New

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<v Speaker 1>Year's Day go by without eating black eyed peas. But

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<v Speaker 1>I was told by my staff that there's another one

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<v Speaker 1>I've never heard of, and it's eating like twelve grapes.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you guys heard of that?

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<v Speaker 16>No?

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<v Speaker 8>Never?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean we had to eat black eyed peas also, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>but I never heard of the grapes.

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<v Speaker 1>What other New Year's Day traditions do you guys know

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<v Speaker 1>about her?

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<v Speaker 6>If that's the only one that I remember.

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<v Speaker 7>The one I like actually originates in Japan and prior

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<v Speaker 7>to New Year's Day, prior to midnight, they get their

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<v Speaker 7>home as clean as it could possibly be. They take

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<v Speaker 7>out all the trash, They even empty the vacuum cleaner.

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<v Speaker 1>They do all of that stuff. I think that's a

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<v Speaker 1>that's an admirable custom.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm going to go home and empty my vacuum cleaner too.

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<v Speaker 4>Want I want them to change New Year's Day to

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<v Speaker 4>June twenty first, because January first, it's cold, it's dark,

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01:58:49.640 --> 01:58:52.600
<v Speaker 4>your taxes do June twenty first is the first day

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<v Speaker 4>of summer. If paid your taxes, it's warm out. It's

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01:58:56.600 --> 01:58:59.319
<v Speaker 4>a beautiful time to celebrate, and here we're doing it

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<v Speaker 4>in the w worse thick possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So supposedly this thing involves getting under the table

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<v Speaker 1>and eating twelve grapes? Can you explain that? What's the

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<v Speaker 1>logic to support that custom? I think the twelve have

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<v Speaker 1>to do with the twelve months, and there's some reflection

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01:59:16.000 --> 01:59:19.600
<v Speaker 1>and contemplation of the goals and stuff for the year

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01:59:19.680 --> 01:59:22.800
<v Speaker 1>going forward. I don't know, I'm not why under the table?

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<v Speaker 1>Why not for a caller to call and tell me

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01:59:26.840 --> 01:59:30.760
<v Speaker 1>what exactly the grape situation is and to help explain

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<v Speaker 1>it so I can understand it. I've managed to go

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<v Speaker 1>almost fifty eight years in this world without hearing about this,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, I'm truly interested to hear what that's all about.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you if you can call and explain that

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<v Speaker 1>for me, that would be awesome. Three or three seven one,

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<v Speaker 1>three eight, two five five. That is the question of

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<v Speaker 1>the hour.

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<v Speaker 5>So, and what kind of grapes are they? Locinogenic grapes?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. If they're in docks house, they're probably

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<v Speaker 1>you know, bad or raisins, okay, because those are just

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01:59:59.600 --> 02:00:02.079
<v Speaker 1>grapes ish. That's a great question.

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<v Speaker 6>I think the grapes that have taken ozempic.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Maybe you can have raisins with your

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<v Speaker 1>soup on the way in as you're driving to work

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff, you know, something along those lines. So we've

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<v Speaker 1>got open lines. We're looking for your problems so that

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<v Speaker 1>we can call and or we can help you out

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<v Speaker 1>with your issues. So we are coming up on a break.

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<v Speaker 1>We will see you back on the other side. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey John Fuller here getting back at one twenty one

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<v Speaker 1>in the afternoon. We are on the Troubleshooter Network. We're

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<v Speaker 1>here to solve your problems and help you with issues,

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<v Speaker 1>take complaints. You can reach the studio it's seven one

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<v Speaker 1>also reach us at help at troubleshooter dot com if

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<v Speaker 1>you'd like to email us. We have been talking off

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<v Speaker 1>the air about some of the new laws that are

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<v Speaker 1>coming up in Denver, and in particular, we've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>some of the concealed carry permit laws that apparently don't

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<v Speaker 1>go into effect until what July first? Dimitri said, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like July first this year. So the changes,

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<v Speaker 1>as I believe them, now involve a much longer class

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<v Speaker 1>or live fire component and stuff like that. What else

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<v Speaker 1>did you see on the new law?

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<v Speaker 7>You know it also now requires another class and another

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<v Speaker 7>live fire component just for renewals.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and so I think the criticism is that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>while nobody wants you know, incompetent gun owners out there,

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<v Speaker 1>the issue is that that by increasing the requirement and stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really only designed to make it harder for law

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<v Speaker 1>abiding citizens to have, you know, the ability to protect themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>and every step along the way and every procedural hurdle

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<v Speaker 1>is just one step closer to them not having a

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<v Speaker 1>gun at all as a as a law abiding citizen.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, makes it administratively more difficult, a little more hassle.

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<v Speaker 7>And you know, the more important part from my perspective

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<v Speaker 7>is this doesn't seem to address any kind of an

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<v Speaker 7>ongoing problem that we've had. It seems like the CCW

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<v Speaker 7>holders are probably the most law abiding segment of our population,

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<v Speaker 7>So why don't we address Why don't they address some

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<v Speaker 7>of the other issues that are more pressing that have

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<v Speaker 7>a serious negative impact on public safety, for example, the

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<v Speaker 7>drugged driving that we just discussed.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and absolutely because it's because they're Democrats, They're they're liberals.

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<v Speaker 7>Right, Yeah, we all know the answer, I mean, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>it's Yeah. My point was that they're doing very little

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<v Speaker 7>to address actual crime.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you and when you couple that with a

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<v Speaker 1>new law requiring guns to be locked up in vehicles

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff, I mean, do you really think that anything

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<v Speaker 1>about that law is designed to make law abiding citizens

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<v Speaker 1>safer on the streets? Yeah, you know that one.

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<v Speaker 7>I can see a little bit of logic even they

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<v Speaker 7>even though they may not have raised it during the debate,

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<v Speaker 7>which I think means that they're trying to make it

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<v Speaker 7>more difficult for criminals to steal guns. But uh so, yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>I'm not I'm not ready to condemn that particular law.

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<v Speaker 7>I was just considering how little justification there is for

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<v Speaker 7>the new CCW requirements.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's harassment. But the reality is, I mean, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to impose on somebody the obligation to

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<v Speaker 1>take your gun out of a locked case and place

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<v Speaker 1>it in arms reach to drive to where you want

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<v Speaker 1>to go to, then place it back in a locked

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<v Speaker 1>case and get out and have it out of you

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<v Speaker 1>and interlocked vehicle and in a locked aids and then

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<v Speaker 1>you run in the convenience store, you come back out

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<v Speaker 1>and you take your gun out of the lock case

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<v Speaker 1>and you place it back in. I mean, that is ridiculous,

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<v Speaker 1>And the bottom line is you can't possibly expect the

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<v Speaker 1>one people that are law abiding to follow this ridiculous

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<v Speaker 1>law to keep people that are not law abiding from

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<v Speaker 1>stealing your guns out of your car.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, there should be really terrible repercussions for dealing in

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<v Speaker 7>stolen guns or possessing stolen guns. Look at this, you

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<v Speaker 7>know this apartment, this troubled Aurora apartment complex that had

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<v Speaker 7>that kidnapping a few weeks ago. Remember this, there's between

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<v Speaker 7>twelve and fifteen armed TDA members over there. Where did

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<v Speaker 7>they get their guns? Who supplied them with their guns?

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<v Speaker 7>You know, the new law should have dictated or provided

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<v Speaker 7>for lifetime imprisonment without parole for providing gang members with firearms.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you suggesting that those particular citizens or non citizens

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<v Speaker 1>did not go through their lawful background checks? Or this

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<v Speaker 1>two hour refresher course with a live fire component from

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<v Speaker 1>amatry that is taking a little bit too far down,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think?

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<v Speaker 10>Well?

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<v Speaker 7>No, I just kind of view it as a real

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<v Speaker 7>life example of real problems that should be addressed and

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<v Speaker 7>addressed aggressively and mercilessly, and yet they're just being ignored.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really the point I mean in the face of

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<v Speaker 1>bad things like that happening, the legislation wants to jump

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<v Speaker 1>in and pass new laws. Are we passing laws that

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<v Speaker 1>actually address the problem or are we dressing are passing

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<v Speaker 1>laws that just further burden the law abiding citizens into

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<v Speaker 1>making them the criminals instead of the guys who really.

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<v Speaker 7>Are Yeah, that's exactly the problem. So not only are

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<v Speaker 7>they burdening us law abiding citizens, they're actually doing something

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<v Speaker 7>even worse, which is failing to address real problems where

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<v Speaker 7>people get killed, maimed, kidnapped, exported, god knows what else.

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<v Speaker 7>So that's the real crime in what the legislator with

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<v Speaker 7>the legislators are failing to do.

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<v Speaker 1>Boe and Doc, what do you guys think?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, regarding this the new concealed weapon law, I disagree.

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<v Speaker 5>I think in addition to the live fire in order

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<v Speaker 5>to have a concealed weapon permission, I think you need

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<v Speaker 5>to do some training with it, and not part of

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<v Speaker 5>the training component needs to have safety. There are so

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<v Speaker 5>many accidental killings with firearms, accidental discharges. People just don't

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<v Speaker 5>I think if you have the privilege to carry a firearm,

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<v Speaker 5>you need to know how to use it. You know

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<v Speaker 5>how to safely store it. Not just buy it and

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<v Speaker 5>put it in your glove box and hope someday maybe

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<v Speaker 5>didn't know how to use it. But I think the

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<v Speaker 5>training someone we know, yeah, like there's someone in there,

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<v Speaker 5>somebody to go out for some training. I think that's

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<v Speaker 5>I think that I don't really like government interference, but

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<v Speaker 5>I think having mandatory training to own it and carry

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<v Speaker 5>a firearm it should be is a good thing in

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<v Speaker 5>my opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>But you're singling out the one group that probably on average,

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<v Speaker 1>is the most competent to carry and operate and possess

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<v Speaker 1>and safely handle a firearm in the first place. We're

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<v Speaker 1>not talking about imposing safety and live fire stuff on

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<v Speaker 1>just the mom that wants to go buy their first gun.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you're singling out this group that already has

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<v Speaker 1>made the conscious determination that they want to arm themselves

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<v Speaker 1>to protect themselves in the event that something bad was

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<v Speaker 1>going down in their presence. I mean, I know that

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<v Speaker 1>I've sat through these classes. I'm a conceal carry permit

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<v Speaker 1>holder as well. The people in my classes were not

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<v Speaker 1>new shooters. These were people that had skills, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we had thorough discussions about the choice of what weapon

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<v Speaker 1>you might use for a conceal carry and everything else.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there is nothing to be gained by a

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<v Speaker 1>live fire exercise with these people. They've already live fired

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds and thousands of rounds before they ever got to

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<v Speaker 1>that point. You're not taking somebody that's going to have

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<v Speaker 1>an accident for lack of training, just by imposing this

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<v Speaker 1>on the one group that probably is the best skilled

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<v Speaker 1>out there.

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<v Speaker 5>John, this one group you're talking about, anyone could go

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<v Speaker 5>and buy a fire They don't need to take the class.

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<v Speaker 5>They don't need it to get a concealed weapon permit.

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<v Speaker 5>Anyone a mother could go buy and anyone could go

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<v Speaker 5>and buy go into a gun shop and buy a gun.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's a three day waiting period.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not asked.

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<v Speaker 5>They don't have to do this. Training only imposes people

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<v Speaker 5>that are actually going to carry it on their person

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<v Speaker 5>with the potential.

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<v Speaker 1>Of really using a gun.

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<v Speaker 5>I think someone buying a gun for themselves to put

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<v Speaker 5>into sock tours not the type of person that really

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<v Speaker 5>needs to I mean, I think they all need training,

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<v Speaker 5>but that type of person in the population is not

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<v Speaker 5>required to do the training or apply for a background

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<v Speaker 5>check to get a permit.

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<v Speaker 7>Did we already discuss the new Colorado firearms excise tax

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<v Speaker 7>that's going to effect in a few months.

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<v Speaker 6>No, we do yeah like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Good afternoon, John Puller. Here, we are back on the

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Martino Troubleshooter Show. Going into the break, we had

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<v Speaker 1>Kevin holding with a comment about the guns go ahead.

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<v Speaker 20>Kevin, Hey, A couple of quick questions. First one is

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<v Speaker 20>when does his new law go into effect when you

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<v Speaker 20>have to have your weapons inside your vehicle tethered or

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<v Speaker 20>locked down when you leave your vehicle.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that went into effect yesterday.

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<v Speaker 20>Oh busted, I just broke the law.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Arn, Kevin, you want to just pull over to

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<v Speaker 1>the side of the road and let me know what

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<v Speaker 1>what mile marker you're at. Well, we'll send the boys

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<v Speaker 1>in blue along to uh, you know, don't forget to

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<v Speaker 1>turn yourself in later, right right?

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<v Speaker 8>All right?

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<v Speaker 20>Yeap, guilty. Hey, So right now, I have four long

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<v Speaker 20>guns and two handguns in my truck. So I was

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<v Speaker 20>just in a town. Can't name the town because then

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<v Speaker 20>you'll get me. I had to run into wall I

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<v Speaker 20>had to run in the Walgreens to get a couple

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<v Speaker 20>of things. So are they they telling me that I

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<v Speaker 20>have to lock down two handguns and four long guns

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<v Speaker 20>in order to go into that store?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, I think cool.

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<v Speaker 24>And then the other thing pretty sure though, Those long

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<v Speaker 24>guns only need soft sided cases, so you're okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, as long as you have ID tags on them

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<v Speaker 1>so we know who they are and stuff.

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<v Speaker 20>You know, well, they're they're in soft cases. However, don't

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<v Speaker 20>they have to be tethered as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know that it applies to long guns as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it really only its handguns that the law was.

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<v Speaker 1>Dmitri's gonna look that up real quick, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>it really is more of the intended for the concealed carry.

2526
02:12:16.920 --> 02:12:18.760
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like a long gun is not a typically

2527
02:12:18.880 --> 02:12:22.239
<v Speaker 1>concealed carry type firearm. So I don't know that it

2528
02:12:22.239 --> 02:12:23.319
<v Speaker 1>would apply to that or not.

2529
02:12:23.560 --> 02:12:26.000
<v Speaker 5>But okay, so if it so.

2530
02:12:26.119 --> 02:12:28.880
<v Speaker 20>My thing is then is if it does apply to that,

2531
02:12:31.520 --> 02:12:34.520
<v Speaker 20>I'm a I'm a burglar. I break the window and

2532
02:12:34.680 --> 02:12:39.239
<v Speaker 20>I cut the straps with a pocket knife and off

2533
02:12:39.279 --> 02:12:39.479
<v Speaker 20>I go.

2534
02:12:41.439 --> 02:12:41.600
<v Speaker 15>Yeah.

2535
02:12:41.640 --> 02:12:43.479
<v Speaker 7>I mean, nobody said it's going to be a really

2536
02:12:43.520 --> 02:12:46.640
<v Speaker 7>effective law. But to answer your question, yes, it does

2537
02:12:46.840 --> 02:12:48.920
<v Speaker 7>also appear to apply to long guns.

2538
02:12:49.039 --> 02:12:52.359
<v Speaker 1>Oh does it? Yeah? So how on the head it's

2539
02:12:52.359 --> 02:12:54.439
<v Speaker 1>going to be lost your long gun in a hard case?

2540
02:12:54.600 --> 02:12:58.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh so it's got to be locked in a locked

2541
02:12:58.760 --> 02:13:01.479
<v Speaker 1>hard sighted or so off side a container that is

2542
02:13:01.520 --> 02:13:04.960
<v Speaker 1>placed out of plane view, and the container is in

2543
02:13:05.039 --> 02:13:07.920
<v Speaker 1>a locked vehicle, the locked trunk of the vehicle, or

2544
02:13:07.960 --> 02:13:10.640
<v Speaker 1>a locked recreational vehicle. I'm just reading from it.

2545
02:13:10.720 --> 02:13:13.640
<v Speaker 24>Does that container have to be tethered or bolted to

2546
02:13:13.760 --> 02:13:14.199
<v Speaker 24>the vehicle?

2547
02:13:15.039 --> 02:13:18.520
<v Speaker 1>I think it does. I mean when I went through

2548
02:13:18.560 --> 02:13:20.800
<v Speaker 1>my class and we were talking about this, they were

2549
02:13:21.000 --> 02:13:23.640
<v Speaker 1>they were showing these little hard metal cases with a

2550
02:13:23.800 --> 02:13:26.279
<v Speaker 1>cable that came out that they would wrap around the

2551
02:13:27.119 --> 02:13:29.720
<v Speaker 1>infrastructure of the seat or something and then tuck it

2552
02:13:29.840 --> 02:13:30.439
<v Speaker 1>under the seat.

2553
02:13:30.520 --> 02:13:34.199
<v Speaker 24>But those little fireproof cases, yeah, like Walmart and Walgreens,

2554
02:13:34.920 --> 02:13:36.800
<v Speaker 24>those aren't going to aren't going to cut it.

2555
02:13:36.880 --> 02:13:39.199
<v Speaker 5>And if you're putting trunk, you're not going to tie

2556
02:13:39.279 --> 02:13:40.640
<v Speaker 5>it down because of that.

2557
02:13:40.760 --> 02:13:42.359
<v Speaker 1>It's right either.

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02:13:42.479 --> 02:13:46.239
<v Speaker 7>There doesn't appear to be any requirement to tie down

2559
02:13:46.319 --> 02:13:51.359
<v Speaker 7>the container, so you can have your attacked containers stole.

2560
02:13:52.199 --> 02:13:55.000
<v Speaker 7>I doesn't say I've got to read through the rest

2561
02:13:55.079 --> 02:13:57.439
<v Speaker 7>of this law, but it doesn't say anything about tethering it.

2562
02:13:57.760 --> 02:14:01.399
<v Speaker 1>Kevin, you may be up for all five of your violations.

2563
02:14:01.479 --> 02:14:05.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, get out of ball for Kevin.

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02:14:07.600 --> 02:14:10.000
<v Speaker 20>Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm guilty.

2565
02:14:10.560 --> 02:14:15.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, yeah, well thanks for calling in, Kevin. You know,

2566
02:14:15.600 --> 02:14:18.319
<v Speaker 1>admitting the problem is the first step, and you know,

2567
02:14:19.119 --> 02:14:21.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you're gonna I'm sure you're gonna do better

2568
02:14:21.079 --> 02:14:22.680
<v Speaker 1>from now on there. I'm positive.

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02:14:22.800 --> 02:14:24.680
<v Speaker 24>So if these cases don't need to be bolted or

2570
02:14:24.760 --> 02:14:26.720
<v Speaker 24>tethered to the vehicle, you just break into the vehicle,

2571
02:14:26.800 --> 02:14:29.439
<v Speaker 24>steal the case, go back to your height out, and

2572
02:14:29.560 --> 02:14:31.800
<v Speaker 24>then break open the case that you're early inconvenienced.

2573
02:14:32.039 --> 02:14:37.359
<v Speaker 1>M Absolutely, well, thanks, that's how you'll do it, right, Dragon, No, totally, Yeah,

2574
02:14:38.319 --> 02:14:41.239
<v Speaker 1>we don't steal like radios anymore. We steal hard sided

2575
02:14:41.279 --> 02:14:43.960
<v Speaker 1>gun cases and you know, go back home and crow

2576
02:14:44.039 --> 02:14:44.720
<v Speaker 1>bar them open.

2577
02:14:44.920 --> 02:14:47.920
<v Speaker 4>So what I don't understand because I don't I don't

2578
02:14:47.960 --> 02:14:51.479
<v Speaker 4>have a CCW. But if you have a concealed weapon

2579
02:14:51.520 --> 02:14:54.560
<v Speaker 4>permit and you put it in the glove box, how

2580
02:14:54.720 --> 02:14:56.560
<v Speaker 4>is that any different than having it in a hard

2581
02:14:56.640 --> 02:14:58.239
<v Speaker 4>case nobody knows it's there.

2582
02:15:00.239 --> 02:15:01.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, I think that.

2583
02:15:03.840 --> 02:15:06.680
<v Speaker 5>You know what I'm saying. The glovebox would be locked.

2584
02:15:06.720 --> 02:15:08.279
<v Speaker 5>It would be complying with the law.

2585
02:15:09.359 --> 02:15:12.079
<v Speaker 1>Right, I do not forget to lock that glovebox, then, right,

2586
02:15:12.199 --> 02:15:14.319
<v Speaker 1>it's the issue of whether it's locked or not. I mean,

2587
02:15:14.399 --> 02:15:18.800
<v Speaker 1>I think you already have Your vehicle is considered. You know,

2588
02:15:19.239 --> 02:15:21.840
<v Speaker 1>it has the same rights from search in seizure standpoint

2589
02:15:21.880 --> 02:15:25.520
<v Speaker 1>as your home does. Okay, And so there is no

2590
02:15:25.640 --> 02:15:28.399
<v Speaker 1>prohibition in my mind of having a gun in the

2591
02:15:28.439 --> 02:15:32.880
<v Speaker 1>glovebox when you're in the vehicle, and anytime that you're

2592
02:15:32.960 --> 02:15:36.199
<v Speaker 1>in the vehicle, you can possess a firearm permit or not.

2593
02:15:36.560 --> 02:15:38.840
<v Speaker 1>You don't need a permit to possess a gun in

2594
02:15:38.920 --> 02:15:42.760
<v Speaker 1>your car. The issue is whether or not you leave

2595
02:15:42.840 --> 02:15:45.600
<v Speaker 1>it in your car and it's unlocked, so that somebody

2596
02:15:45.640 --> 02:15:48.239
<v Speaker 1>could break in your car and steal it. But the

2597
02:15:48.439 --> 02:15:52.840
<v Speaker 1>argument is that what the law imposes on you it's

2598
02:15:52.960 --> 02:15:56.560
<v Speaker 1>so ridiculous that nobody is going to go through. If

2599
02:15:56.600 --> 02:15:58.720
<v Speaker 1>you do have a lock box, nobody's going to go

2600
02:15:58.840 --> 02:16:01.800
<v Speaker 1>through the effort of removing their gun from their lock

2601
02:16:01.880 --> 02:16:03.880
<v Speaker 1>box and placing it back in there every time you

2602
02:16:03.960 --> 02:16:07.199
<v Speaker 1>stop at the grocery store or Walmart or anywhere else.

2603
02:16:07.239 --> 02:16:10.000
<v Speaker 1>And so if you find yourself in a position where

2604
02:16:10.039 --> 02:16:14.199
<v Speaker 1>you need that gun right now, you can't tell some

2605
02:16:14.399 --> 02:16:17.119
<v Speaker 1>bad guy to wait a moment. But while he's attempting

2606
02:16:17.159 --> 02:16:19.760
<v Speaker 1>to carjack your car, excuse me, sir, I've got to

2607
02:16:19.840 --> 02:16:23.600
<v Speaker 1>open my locked lock box over here and get my

2608
02:16:23.720 --> 02:16:25.840
<v Speaker 1>gun out so I can I can shoot you. I

2609
02:16:25.920 --> 02:16:28.960
<v Speaker 1>mean that when you need a gun in a bad situation,

2610
02:16:29.159 --> 02:16:32.520
<v Speaker 1>you need it right that second, and not a minute later,

2611
02:16:32.680 --> 02:16:35.319
<v Speaker 1>or even thirty seconds later or anything else. So when

2612
02:16:35.399 --> 02:16:37.479
<v Speaker 1>you impose this goes back to the whole thing. When

2613
02:16:37.520 --> 02:16:43.120
<v Speaker 1>you impose these these regulations on people that compromise their

2614
02:16:43.159 --> 02:16:46.559
<v Speaker 1>ability to exercise their God given rights to defend themselves,

2615
02:16:47.040 --> 02:16:52.159
<v Speaker 1>you're effectively taking away that right. And that's really the

2616
02:16:52.239 --> 02:16:53.440
<v Speaker 1>objection to the whole thing.

2617
02:16:53.719 --> 02:16:56.239
<v Speaker 4>Right, No, I think putting it in a lock glove

2618
02:16:56.799 --> 02:16:59.879
<v Speaker 4>box when you're not in a car. Is all you

2619
02:17:00.399 --> 02:17:02.280
<v Speaker 4>any reasonable person needs to do.

2620
02:17:03.200 --> 02:17:05.520
<v Speaker 7>By the way, that that doesn't qualify. There's nothing in

2621
02:17:05.600 --> 02:17:08.399
<v Speaker 7>this law that allows you to store it in a

2622
02:17:08.520 --> 02:17:09.639
<v Speaker 7>locked glove box.

2623
02:17:09.760 --> 02:17:12.079
<v Speaker 1>The law is pretty clear. It's got to be a

2624
02:17:12.120 --> 02:17:16.319
<v Speaker 1>hard sided container that's placed out of plane view, and

2625
02:17:16.479 --> 02:17:19.319
<v Speaker 1>the container is in a locked vehicle, the locked trunk

2626
02:17:19.959 --> 02:17:22.079
<v Speaker 1>of a locked vehicle. That's it.

2627
02:17:22.639 --> 02:17:23.760
<v Speaker 6>It's crazy in.

2628
02:17:23.840 --> 02:17:25.479
<v Speaker 5>The trunk, Yeah, it does.

2629
02:17:25.600 --> 02:17:26.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't think it has to be in the trunk.

2630
02:17:27.079 --> 02:17:29.280
<v Speaker 7>In the trunk, no, that's one of the options. So

2631
02:17:29.399 --> 02:17:33.239
<v Speaker 7>you can actually leave it inside in the passenger compartment,

2632
02:17:33.639 --> 02:17:37.079
<v Speaker 7>provided it it's out of plane view. So maybe I

2633
02:17:37.159 --> 02:17:39.600
<v Speaker 7>guess that means under the seat, or a jacket draped

2634
02:17:39.639 --> 02:17:42.120
<v Speaker 7>over the container, or you know, under your.

2635
02:17:42.079 --> 02:17:44.719
<v Speaker 1>Briefcase already super Bowl, any of that kind of stuff. Yeah,

2636
02:17:44.760 --> 02:17:45.440
<v Speaker 1>that's dragons.

2637
02:17:46.319 --> 02:17:49.079
<v Speaker 5>Who's going to leave the gun on the seat in

2638
02:17:49.200 --> 02:17:49.760
<v Speaker 5>plane view?

2639
02:17:51.719 --> 02:17:54.719
<v Speaker 1>Even I wouldn't do that when they leave the vehicle.

2640
02:17:55.000 --> 02:17:56.440
<v Speaker 1>Probably not that many people.

2641
02:17:56.360 --> 02:17:56.440
<v Speaker 8>But.

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02:17:58.920 --> 02:18:02.399
<v Speaker 1>It's yeah, it's just guns are expensive. They are.

2643
02:18:02.959 --> 02:18:03.239
<v Speaker 8>They are.

2644
02:18:03.799 --> 02:18:07.319
<v Speaker 1>I actually had a gun stolen from a vehicle many many,

2645
02:18:07.399 --> 02:18:11.959
<v Speaker 1>many many years ago, and you know, and and it

2646
02:18:12.120 --> 02:18:15.440
<v Speaker 1>was it was you know, it was it was a

2647
02:18:15.600 --> 02:18:18.920
<v Speaker 1>parked vehicle, locked vehicle, and somebody broke into it. It

2648
02:18:19.040 --> 02:18:20.799
<v Speaker 1>was my wife's you know gun at the time. This

2649
02:18:20.959 --> 02:18:25.520
<v Speaker 1>is got thirty five years ago, but we reported it,

2650
02:18:25.719 --> 02:18:29.000
<v Speaker 1>and the one thing I remember is just this, you know,

2651
02:18:29.399 --> 02:18:33.200
<v Speaker 1>fifty questions from the cops about you know, it was

2652
02:18:33.239 --> 02:18:35.559
<v Speaker 1>almost as if we had we were trying to pull

2653
02:18:35.680 --> 02:18:37.840
<v Speaker 1>some scam and we had used it in some crime

2654
02:18:37.920 --> 02:18:41.280
<v Speaker 1>and then we're trying to report it stolen as some

2655
02:18:41.559 --> 02:18:43.479
<v Speaker 1>cover up for the crime that we had committed with

2656
02:18:43.600 --> 02:18:46.799
<v Speaker 1>the gun. What are these questions? How you come up

2657
02:18:46.840 --> 02:18:50.760
<v Speaker 1>with just very it's just a total jerk on the phone. Well,

2658
02:18:50.760 --> 02:18:52.319
<v Speaker 1>you know, exactly when did you get rid of You

2659
02:18:52.479 --> 02:18:54.479
<v Speaker 1>understand that if this thing turns up it was used

2660
02:18:54.520 --> 02:18:56.479
<v Speaker 1>in a crime, you're going to be you know it,

2661
02:18:56.879 --> 02:19:00.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, just all this fifty questions about you know,

2662
02:19:00.280 --> 02:19:03.319
<v Speaker 1>the timing of it, and how they didn't believe that

2663
02:19:03.479 --> 02:19:07.399
<v Speaker 1>it got stolen because it was just this The suggestion

2664
02:19:07.680 --> 02:19:10.680
<v Speaker 1>was that we had probably used it in a crime

2665
02:19:10.719 --> 02:19:12.559
<v Speaker 1>and then got rid of it and were reporting it

2666
02:19:12.639 --> 02:19:14.680
<v Speaker 1>stolen to cover up for that crime some way.

2667
02:19:14.799 --> 02:19:18.840
<v Speaker 7>So the questions were not inquisitive. Their accusatory in very

2668
02:19:19.520 --> 02:19:19.879
<v Speaker 7>very much.

2669
02:19:19.920 --> 02:19:19.959
<v Speaker 8>So.

2670
02:19:20.520 --> 02:19:23.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's been a long long time ago, so

2671
02:19:24.200 --> 02:19:26.559
<v Speaker 1>I can only imagine how it is today. They probably

2672
02:19:26.639 --> 02:19:28.399
<v Speaker 1>just tell you, why are you bothering us? You know

2673
02:19:30.600 --> 02:19:33.319
<v Speaker 1>another gun on the street? Who cares call somebody else?

2674
02:19:33.479 --> 02:19:33.680
<v Speaker 1>You know.

2675
02:19:35.760 --> 02:19:36.799
<v Speaker 6>A car to get the gun?

2676
02:19:36.920 --> 02:19:41.520
<v Speaker 1>Did they? I don't know. I mean I mean that no.

2677
02:19:41.639 --> 02:19:43.000
<v Speaker 6>If knowing a gun was in the car, I.

2678
02:19:42.959 --> 02:19:45.959
<v Speaker 1>Didn't think so. It was concealed quite well in the car.

2679
02:19:46.120 --> 02:19:49.360
<v Speaker 1>But they got in and ransacked, took everything out of it. Okay,

2680
02:19:49.399 --> 02:19:52.280
<v Speaker 1>there was a computer and some other stuff, so they

2681
02:19:52.719 --> 02:19:55.879
<v Speaker 1>did well on that little, that little burglary that night.

2682
02:19:56.000 --> 02:19:59.840
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02:20:01.799 --> 02:20:06.399
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<v Speaker 1>for my day job. So if you have any calls

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<v Speaker 1>Good afternoon, John Fuller here on the Troubleshooter Network. Here

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<v Speaker 1>we are working through the issues today. We've got a

2708
02:21:18.280 --> 02:21:20.840
<v Speaker 1>caller on the line, EVA with a question about search

2709
02:21:20.920 --> 02:21:23.079
<v Speaker 1>and seizure. Eva, what is going on with you?

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02:21:24.159 --> 02:21:24.319
<v Speaker 9>Oh?

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02:21:24.440 --> 02:21:28.639
<v Speaker 22>Hi, nothing, thank god as fire as search and seizure.

2712
02:21:28.719 --> 02:21:30.040
<v Speaker 18>But I did.

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02:21:30.360 --> 02:21:34.879
<v Speaker 22>I did have someone break into my grandson's house and

2714
02:21:35.399 --> 02:21:39.399
<v Speaker 22>they didn't have a warrant, but they brought it up

2715
02:21:39.680 --> 02:21:42.799
<v Speaker 22>or they got it later. So what is the law

2716
02:21:42.920 --> 02:21:44.159
<v Speaker 22>on search and seizure?

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02:21:44.959 --> 02:21:48.799
<v Speaker 1>You mean the cops broke into our house. Yes, what

2718
02:21:49.040 --> 02:21:52.440
<v Speaker 1>tell me more, What do you mean, what happened? What

2719
02:21:52.600 --> 02:21:53.920
<v Speaker 1>brought him to their house to begin with?

2720
02:21:55.559 --> 02:22:01.159
<v Speaker 22>I don't know, but they broke the door in as

2721
02:22:02.280 --> 02:22:05.840
<v Speaker 22>my son, not my grandson, but my son was going

2722
02:22:06.000 --> 02:22:09.360
<v Speaker 22>up the stairs to open the door and he was saying,

2723
02:22:09.399 --> 02:22:13.159
<v Speaker 22>I'm coming, and yeah, so it was a surprise, but

2724
02:22:13.319 --> 02:22:16.319
<v Speaker 22>they broke the doorframe and yeah.

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02:22:16.600 --> 02:22:22.200
<v Speaker 1>So there are circumstances where exigent, exigent circumstances allow the

2726
02:22:22.319 --> 02:22:26.200
<v Speaker 1>cops to do things like that. Since you said that

2727
02:22:26.319 --> 02:22:28.680
<v Speaker 1>they didn't have a warrant, but they got one later,

2728
02:22:30.040 --> 02:22:32.440
<v Speaker 1>tells me there must have been something going on that

2729
02:22:32.600 --> 02:22:38.600
<v Speaker 1>they thought was of an emergency enough nature that either

2730
02:22:39.200 --> 02:22:43.399
<v Speaker 1>somebody was at risk or there was some you know,

2731
02:22:43.559 --> 02:22:47.319
<v Speaker 1>some probable cause that criminal activity was underway at the house.

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02:22:47.920 --> 02:22:50.680
<v Speaker 7>Or somebody was destroying evidence, like clashing drugs down.

2733
02:22:50.559 --> 02:22:53.680
<v Speaker 1>The Toilet's really hard to just brainstorm up what that

2734
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<v Speaker 1>might have been without more details.

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<v Speaker 22>Yeah, that makes sense. Huh, Yeah, I don't know what,

2736
02:23:00.040 --> 02:23:02.280
<v Speaker 22>uh what they had in mind.

2737
02:23:02.799 --> 02:23:04.959
<v Speaker 1>Were they ultimately charged with anything?

2738
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<v Speaker 22>Oh god, it was so long ago. Yeah, but it

2739
02:23:12.559 --> 02:23:16.120
<v Speaker 22>didn't hold water or whatever the term is, you know

2740
02:23:16.719 --> 02:23:19.959
<v Speaker 22>it it didn't get substantiated.

2741
02:23:19.200 --> 02:23:23.680
<v Speaker 1>So I got you. Yeah, okay, well thanks for there's.

2742
02:23:23.559 --> 02:23:27.000
<v Speaker 22>No recourse to getting the damage fixed, is there.

2743
02:23:27.360 --> 02:23:31.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's really tough if the if the justification is there,

2744
02:23:31.079 --> 02:23:32.920
<v Speaker 1>it's really tough to come back and get any sort

2745
02:23:32.959 --> 02:23:33.559
<v Speaker 1>of compensation.

2746
02:23:34.280 --> 02:23:37.280
<v Speaker 22>It surprised me that there, you know, they got a

2747
02:23:37.399 --> 02:23:38.479
<v Speaker 22>warned afterwards.

2748
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<v Speaker 1>Well that that, you know, what they can do when

2749
02:23:42.000 --> 02:23:45.840
<v Speaker 1>they have those exegen circumstances is somewhat limited, and then

2750
02:23:45.920 --> 02:23:48.360
<v Speaker 1>to do a formal search after the fact requires them

2751
02:23:48.399 --> 02:23:51.680
<v Speaker 1>to sometimes back out when they remove the emergency and

2752
02:23:51.760 --> 02:23:53.600
<v Speaker 1>then go get a warrant. I'm sure that's probably what

2753
02:23:54.319 --> 02:23:57.159
<v Speaker 1>went down, but without more information, it's really tough to uh,

2754
02:23:57.719 --> 02:23:58.479
<v Speaker 1>to deal with.

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02:23:58.680 --> 02:24:02.239
<v Speaker 22>So yeah, it's I think that they made a mistake

2756
02:24:02.479 --> 02:24:06.319
<v Speaker 22>because there was no indication of any emergency or anything

2757
02:24:06.440 --> 02:24:06.799
<v Speaker 22>going on.

2758
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<v Speaker 10>So I don't know.

2759
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<v Speaker 1>It wouldn't be the first time. Thanks Soeve, appreciate you

2760
02:24:11.680 --> 02:24:15.600
<v Speaker 1>sharing that with us. Dmitri, you have a follow up

2761
02:24:15.639 --> 02:24:16.440
<v Speaker 1>for us, what's going on?

2762
02:24:16.639 --> 02:24:19.680
<v Speaker 7>Well, you know, at the beginning of the show, John,

2763
02:24:19.760 --> 02:24:22.360
<v Speaker 7>we got a call from Peggy who had trouble with

2764
02:24:22.479 --> 02:24:26.879
<v Speaker 7>that piano moving service, and you know, she told us

2765
02:24:27.200 --> 02:24:29.200
<v Speaker 7>kind of a nasty story about All my Sons moving

2766
02:24:29.239 --> 02:24:31.799
<v Speaker 7>in storage. So I've tried to get a hold of them.

2767
02:24:31.840 --> 02:24:34.239
<v Speaker 7>I spoke with the name with a gentleman over there

2768
02:24:34.319 --> 02:24:37.680
<v Speaker 7>named Joe, and basically he said that they're going to

2769
02:24:37.760 --> 02:24:40.479
<v Speaker 7>decline to comment on this issue. He did refer me

2770
02:24:40.879 --> 02:24:42.879
<v Speaker 7>this is the Denver office. He did refer me to

2771
02:24:42.920 --> 02:24:46.959
<v Speaker 7>an email address called media at allmosns dot com. They're

2772
02:24:47.000 --> 02:24:50.399
<v Speaker 7>at headquarters, which apparently is in Texas if I understood

2773
02:24:50.440 --> 02:24:53.959
<v Speaker 7>Peggy correctly, So I emailed them. Haven't heard anything. But man,

2774
02:24:54.040 --> 02:24:55.879
<v Speaker 7>it's not a good sign when you have such a

2775
02:24:56.200 --> 02:24:58.840
<v Speaker 7>simple question about such a simple move and such a

2776
02:24:58.920 --> 02:25:02.000
<v Speaker 7>simple problem. You think a company with nine thousand Google

2777
02:25:02.079 --> 02:25:05.639
<v Speaker 7>reviews mostly positive would jump at the chance to address it.

2778
02:25:05.719 --> 02:25:09.440
<v Speaker 7>But so far, crickets. So if anybody that All my

2779
02:25:09.559 --> 02:25:12.280
<v Speaker 7>Sons is listening, if you're a manager or the owner

2780
02:25:12.360 --> 02:25:14.360
<v Speaker 7>or supervisor over there, please give me a call. I

2781
02:25:14.479 --> 02:25:17.760
<v Speaker 7>left my private phone number with Joe. I left our

2782
02:25:17.760 --> 02:25:20.360
<v Speaker 7>studio line with Joe, and it would be great to

2783
02:25:20.399 --> 02:25:22.959
<v Speaker 7>get you to weigh in on this story, correct in accuracies,

2784
02:25:23.000 --> 02:25:25.360
<v Speaker 7>if there were any present your side of the story,

2785
02:25:25.479 --> 02:25:27.799
<v Speaker 7>maybe help us help the consumer reach some kind of

2786
02:25:27.840 --> 02:25:28.399
<v Speaker 7>a resolution.

2787
02:25:28.559 --> 02:25:31.159
<v Speaker 1>With all my sons. Yeah, it really would be nice.

2788
02:25:31.200 --> 02:25:31.319
<v Speaker 21>You know.

2789
02:25:31.399 --> 02:25:34.719
<v Speaker 1>That's really all we're ever searching for is just resolution

2790
02:25:34.879 --> 02:25:37.559
<v Speaker 1>of problems and to see if we can find a

2791
02:25:37.639 --> 02:25:42.280
<v Speaker 1>way to turn an engagement into a positive outcome for everybody.

2792
02:25:42.000 --> 02:25:46.840
<v Speaker 7>Which happens often. Yeah, really noesbook filled with more than

2793
02:25:46.959 --> 02:25:49.559
<v Speaker 7>half the time. We have really great resolution and a

2794
02:25:49.879 --> 02:25:53.520
<v Speaker 7>very commendable acts on the part of these vendors.

2795
02:25:53.440 --> 02:25:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Right, you know, I'll give them a pass that the

2796
02:25:57.079 --> 02:25:59.719
<v Speaker 1>first guy that actually answered the phone was you know,

2797
02:26:00.159 --> 02:26:02.799
<v Speaker 1>was was not able to jump in there and directly

2798
02:26:02.840 --> 02:26:05.600
<v Speaker 1>address your deal. But now that they've been provided the

2799
02:26:05.639 --> 02:26:07.959
<v Speaker 1>information and stuff, we'll see if they call back. If

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02:26:07.959 --> 02:26:10.479
<v Speaker 1>they're a good company and they've you know, they've got

2801
02:26:10.520 --> 02:26:13.319
<v Speaker 1>the protocols in place to handle this, then they're gonna

2802
02:26:13.360 --> 02:26:15.000
<v Speaker 1>call us back and we'll get to the bottom of it,

2803
02:26:15.079 --> 02:26:19.399
<v Speaker 1>hopefully tomorrow. John. Fair enough, so listen, thank you save

2804
02:26:19.520 --> 02:26:21.559
<v Speaker 1>all your problems for us. I'll be back tomorrow. If

2805
02:26:21.559 --> 02:26:24.639
<v Speaker 1>you have any questions or concerns about injury cases, I'm

2806
02:26:24.680 --> 02:26:27.920
<v Speaker 1>always happy to help. This is John Fuller, Thanks for listening.

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<v Speaker 1>Good job