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Speaker 1: Welcome to thrilling Threads. I want you to do something

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for me. Right at the start here, just ask yourself

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a question. Okay, have you ever had one of those nights?

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It's you know, two, maybe three in the morning, the

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whole house is silent, You're lying in bed just staring

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up at the ceiling. Yeah, and you are just wide awake.

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Speaker 2: Ugh, yes, all the time. The classic tired but wired feeling.

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Speaker 1: Exactly tired but wired. Your body is exhausted, but your

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brain just will not shut down. And you do the math. Right.

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You look at the clock, you think, okay, I have

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to be up at seven, and you calculate just how

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a little sleep you're going to get.

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Speaker 2: And how miserable the next day is going to be. Yeah.

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I think I think everyone knows that feeling.

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Speaker 1: We all do, and we blame it on the usual things.

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Too much coffee, stress from work, looking at our phones,

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too late. But what if it's none of those things?

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Speaker 2: What do you mean?

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Speaker 1: I mean? What if that feeling of being out of

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sink of your body fighting the clock isn't a bug?

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What if it's not insomnia? Okay, what if it's a feature.

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What if your body is actually tuned to the rhythm

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of planet Earth at all.

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Speaker 2: Now that that is a fascinating idea because we always

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treat that as a kind of, you know, a medical

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problem to be solved.

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Speaker 1: Right, we see it as a malfunction. But what if

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your internal clock is running perfectly, it's just it's set

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for a different planet. What if it's set for Mars?

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Speaker 2: And that right there is where this whole story begins.

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It sounds like the opening to a sci fi movie.

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But when you start to look at the research we've

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got laid out here today, I mean, it's not just speculation,

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not at all.

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Speaker 1: There is a smoking gun, as some scientists call it,

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buried deep in our own biology, specifically in our circadian rhythms.

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We are absolutely going to unpack that later, and I

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promise you it will make you question.

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Speaker 2: Everything they really do.

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Speaker 1: But that's just the start. Today on Thrilling Threads, we

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are diving into a collection of sources that suggest NASA,

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the agency we all think we know, you know, the rockets,

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the astronauts, the smiling faces and mission control, is not

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what it seems.

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Speaker 2: Not even close. The theory, based on the material we're

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looking at, is that NASA is essentially a public relations front,

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a cover story, a very elaborate, very expensive cover for

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a much deeper, much more secret space program, one that

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has deep, deep ties to ancient history, to occult rituals,

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and potentially to our own extraterrestrial origins.

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Speaker 1: So we're not just talking about rovers and rocks today.

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We are exploring a theory that NASA's true core mission

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was never really about exploration. It was about retrieval, retrieval

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of what exactly evidence artifacts. The goal, according to these sources,

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was to get to the Moon and to Mars to

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recover proof, proof of a prior advanced civilization, the same

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beings the ancient Sumerians and Egyptians called their gods.

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Speaker 2: And to prove that we are in fact their descendants exactly.

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Speaker 1: It completely reframes the entire space race, doesn't it. We

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weren't just racing the Soviets to plant a flag, We

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were racing them to get to the ruins of our

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ancestors first.

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Speaker 2: It covers everything from well varn Her von Braun's secret

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research in the fifties into exotic physics, all the way

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to interpreting the fallen angels from the Bible.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, we're going to pull on some threads today

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that might just unravel the official history of humanity. Let's

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start with what we think we know about Mars, because

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there's this huge disconnect between the public story and what

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some insiders claim is really happening.

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Speaker 2: The tale of two space programs.

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Speaker 1: That's the one. Let's talk about the public face first,

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the one we all see on the news. I'm talking

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about the Mars Science Laboratory, the Curiosity rover.

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Speaker 2: Launch back in twenty eleven, November twenty sixth to be exact,

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from Cape Canaveral. And look, you can't deny it's an

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incredible piece of engineering.

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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely. It's a nuclear powered, car sized mobile lab

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that landed on another planet using a frickin' skycrane. The

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tech is amazing. But what's the mission.

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Speaker 2: The official mission is geology. It's there to analyze soil

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and rocks, look for the chemical building blocks of life,

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and confirm that Mars was once a.

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Speaker 1: Habitable planet, which we now know it was. They've confirmed

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it had a thick atmosphere, lakes, maybe even oceans. It

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was a kinder, gentler world. As one of those scientists.

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Speaker 1: Right. But here's where the public narrative starts to feel

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a bit off. Let's talk about the speed of this

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Speaker 2: It's not fast.

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Speaker 1: Not fast as an understatement, the source material points out

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it can cover about the length of a football field

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in one hour, which.

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and our plan is to do it with a remote

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controlled car moving ato point zero nine miles per hour.

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Speaker 2: It does seem incredibly inefficient when you put it like that.

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Speaker 1: It's like being asked to find a single specific grain

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of sand on a beach the sides of Africa, but

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you're only allowed to look at it through a drinking straw.

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Speaker 2: The pace is glacial, and that's exactly where this two

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public are watching this slow motion crawl and US TV

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and cheering for every inch at.

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Speaker 1: Moves, the sources suggest there's something else going on, something

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happening in the shadows that makes curiosity look like a

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child's toy.

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Speaker 2: And this brings us to Werner von Braun, the.

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Speaker 1: Father of the Saturn V rocket, the Nazi scientist who

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became the face of the American space program.

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Speaker 2: The very same Now everyone knows them for the huge,

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powerful chemical rockets that got us to the Moon. That's

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his public legacy. But what's often left out of the

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history books is the kind of physics he was exploring

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before Apollo, back in the nineteen fifties.

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Speaker 1: This is the field dynamic stuff, right.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, field propulsion dynamics or electrogravitics. Before NASA went all

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in on the brute force method of chemical rockets, there

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was serious research into manipulating gravity itself.

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Speaker 1: Okay, break that down for me. What's the difference. A

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chemical rocket is basically a controlled explosion.

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Speaker 2: That's a perfect way to put it. It's Newton's third law. Ah,

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for every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. You

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back at incredible speed, and that pushes the rocket it forward.

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Speaker 2: You are. But field dynamics is completely different. Imagine, instead

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of pushing against the air or space, you could manipulate

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the fabric of space time itself, create a sort of

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gravity wave in front of your ship that you continuously

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Speaker 2: You're surfing. That's it. No violent explosions, no g forces,

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just a silent, rapid acceleration. The research in the fifties

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suggested this was possible. They believe we were on the

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verge of creating craft, what we would call flying saucers,

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that could get to the Moon in hours, not days,

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mars and weeks not months.

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Speaker 1: So what happened? Why do we abandon that for you know,

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giant metal tubes full of explosive liquid. It doesn't make

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any sense. If the military has a better, faster, stealthier

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way to travel, they don't just forget about it.

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Speaker 2: And that's the core of the theory. We didn't abandon it.

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Speaker 1: The program went black, It went completely secret.

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Speaker 2: It was taken away from the public eye and developed

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in secret by military contractors and intelligence agencies. This became

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the secret Space Program. So while public NASA continued with

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the slow, dangerous but very visible spectacle of rockets.

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Speaker 1: The real program was developing a fleet of anti gravity ships.

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Speaker 2: A breakaway civilization, as some have called it, a segment

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of humanity that has technology far beyond what the rest

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of us can even imagine.

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Speaker 1: Wow, And the implication there is staggering. If that's true,

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it means we might already have bases on the Moon,

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we might have had people on Mars for decades.

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Speaker 2: And the rovers, like curiosity, they're a distraction. They're a

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carefully managed drip feet of information to keep the public interested,

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to maintain the budget, but to never ever reveeal the

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true extent of our presence out there.

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Speaker 1: It even changes the whole conversation about terraforming Mars, doesn't it.

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Scientists talk about it like it's a dream for hundreds

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of years from now.

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Speaker 2: But if you have access to this kind of energy

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and propulsion, maybe it's not a dream. Maybe it's a

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project that's already underway.

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Speaker 1: Okay, But this brings up the big question, why why

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all the secrecy? The national security argument only goes so far.

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Why not share this incredible technology?

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Speaker 2: And to answer that you have to go back to

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the very beginning of NASA. There's this huge public misconception

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bunch of Peaceful.

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Speaker 1: Explorers Starfleet image.

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Speaker 2: Right, but it's not true. NASA was created in nineteen

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fifty eight by the National Aeronautics and Space Act, signed

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by President Eisenhower, and it was a direct response to Sputnik.

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Speaker 1: Creation, and it was part of the defense structure, wasn't it.

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Speaker 2: Deeply If you read the Act itself, there's a secrecy

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clause section two oh five. It explicitly gives the administrator

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of a NASA the power to classify any information or

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discovery that could be a matter of national security.

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Speaker 1: So if curiosity turns a corner tomorrow and finds I

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Speaker 2: Not to tell us if they decide it's too sensitive. Yes,

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and that leads us directly to the Brookings Report.

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Speaker 1: I've heard this mention in conspiracy circles for years, but

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it's a real document.

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's absolutely real. In nineteen sixty, NASA commission the

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Brookings Institution, a major think tank, to study the implications

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of peaceful space activities for human affairs.

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Speaker 1: Sounds innocent enough.

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section that addressed a very specific scenario what happens if

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we find proof of extraterrestrial life?

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Speaker 1: What was the recommendation, throw a big welcome party.

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Speaker 2: The exact opposite. The conclusion was blunt. It said, if

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you find artifacts on the moon, on Mars, or if

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you make contact with the superior alien intelligence, do not tell.

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Speaker 1: The public to hide it.

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Speaker 2: Why the predicted outcome was the complete and utter collapse

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of society.

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Speaker 1: Collapse that seems a bit dramatic.

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Speaker 2: Think about it from their perspective in nineteen sixty What

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happens to every major religion on Earth if we discover

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ancient scientists from a world What happens to our political structures,

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our sense of self?

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Speaker 1: The whole framework of human civilization would crumble.

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Speaker 2: They believed it would. They argued that humanity just couldn't

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handle the truth. So the official policy from day one

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Speaker 1: But there's another layer to the secrecy, isn't there? The

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Speaker 2: This is where we get into the secret societies, specifically freemasonry.

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Speaker 1: And we're not talking about the guys who run the

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Speaker 2: No, we are talking about the highest levels. The sources

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point to key figures in early NASA James Webb, the

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administrator during the Apollo era, Kenneth Kleintneck, who is the

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Speaker 1: These were the top guys.

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Speaker 2: They were the top guys, and they were both thirty

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third degree Scottish Rite freemasons.

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the ancient mystery schools of Egypt.

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Speaker 1: And what are those beliefs.

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Speaker 2: The core esoteric belief is that they are the inheritors

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of ancient knowledge passed down from the Egyptian gods Isis, Osiris, Horus.

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Speaker 1: But if we're following the ancient astronaut theory, those weren't.

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You are a thirty third degree Mason. You believe your

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sacred ancestors were beings from the stars, and you are

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now in charge of a program that can literally take

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you to the stars.

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Speaker 1: Your motivation isn't just science or politics.

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go home to reconnect with your gods.

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Speaker 1: Suddenly all the weird symbolism starts to make a bit

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more sense. The number thirty three keeps popping up in

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NASA's history, doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: It's everywhere once you start looking for it. The very

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first landing strip at Cape Kannap Runway three to three,

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Speaker 1: That feels intentional. I mean, one could be a coincidence,

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but two, that starts to look like a signature.

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Speaker 2: It looks like a ritualistic marker, a way of stamping

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their work with a sacred number.

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Speaker 1: And you can't talk about the occult origins of the

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space program without talking about Jack Parsons.

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Speaker 2: Jack Parsons is one of the most brilliant and bizarre

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figures of the twentieth century. He was one of the

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key founders of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory or JPL.

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the super serious scientists.

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Speaker 2: The most serious. Parsons was a genius rocket chemist. He

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basically invented the solid rocket fuel that made the whole

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enterprise possible. We literally wouldn't have gotten off the ground

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without his work.

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Speaker 1: But his day job was only half the story.

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Speaker 2: Not even in his private life. He was a devout

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follower of the occultist Aleister Crowley.

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Speaker 1: The Great b six sixty six, the very same.

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Speaker 2: And Parsons wasn't just reading Carly's books. He was a

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practicing magician. He and l Ron Hubbard, the founder scientology,

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were conducting these intense magical rituals in the Mohave Desert

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Sex Magic, wasn't it, Yes, they called it the Babylon Working.

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They were trying to, in their words, manifest a goddess

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on Earth, to open a portal to another dimension.

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Speaker 1: So the man whose science was designed to physically break

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through the heavens was also using magic to try and

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tear a hole in reality.

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Speaker 2: For him, they were the same thing. Science and magic

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were just two different tools for achieving the same goal,

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storming the gates of Heaven. It shows the mindset of

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the people at the very foundation of this program, which

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brings us to the Moon.

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Speaker 1: Apollo eleven, the pinnacle of the public space program.

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Speaker 2: July twentieth, nineteen sixty nine. A billion people watched it live.

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Speaker 1: But think about the place they landed. The Moon is

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not a welcoming place.

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Speaker 2: It is the most hostile environment imaginable. The temperature swings

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are insane, from over two hundred and fifty degrees fahrenheit

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in the sun to minus two hundred and forty in

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the shade. There's no air, deadly radiation, and the gravity

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is only one sixth of Earth's.

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Speaker 1: The astronauts called it magnificent desolation, a mythological landscape. But

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there's a theory that the Moon isn't just some random

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dead rock, that it's two perfect perfect tax Well, for starters,

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there's the eclipse. The Moon is exactly the right size

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and at exactly the right distance from Earth to perfectly

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block out the Sun. The statistical odds of that happening

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by chance are astronomical.

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Speaker 2: A massive coincidence, a massive one.

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Speaker 1: But there's more. The Moon acts as a stabilizer for Earth.

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without the Moon's gravity to keep it steady, that wabble

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would be extreme.

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Speaker 2: The source calls it a drunken sailor exactly.

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Speaker 1: We wouldn't have stable seasons, the climate would be wildly chaotic.

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could have evolved here without the Moon holding us steady.

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Speaker 2: So either we won the cosmic lottery, an unbelievable stroke

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of luck.

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Speaker 1: Or it's not luck, or the Moon was put there

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by design a watchtower, a watchtower, or maybe a base,

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an observation post. And this ties back into the secret

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space program. If you have this advanced anti gravity fleet,

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where do you put your main base of operations.

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Speaker 2: The Moon is perfect, it's close, and because it's tidally

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locked one side, the dark side, is permanently hidden from Earth.

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Speaker 1: You could build an entire civilization on the far side

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of the Moon and we would never know it. It's

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the ultimate hiding spot.

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Speaker 2: And then after a few missions, the public program just

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stopped going.

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Speaker 1: That's the part that always gets me we accomplished the

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single greatest feat in human history, and then we just

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abandoned it for fifty years. We have more computing power

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in our phones than they had in the entire Apollo program,

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but we haven't.

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Speaker 2: Been back unless, of course, we never left the public

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program ended and the secret program moved in permanently.

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Speaker 1: A truly chilling thought. But while all this might have

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been happening in secret, we've also been publicly trying to

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find others out there. We've been listening with.

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Speaker 2: SETI, the Search for Extraterrestrial intelligence. But SETI is a

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passive search. It's like putting a cup against the wall

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of the universe and just listening.

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Speaker 1: And the scale of the search is immense. The sources say,

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what we've scanned so far is equivalent to taking one

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glass of water out of all the Earth's oceans and

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checking it for fish.

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Speaker 2: We barely even started.

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Speaker 1: But they did hear something once, didn't they The famous

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Speaker 2: August fifteenth, nineteen seventy seven, an astronomer named doctor Jerry

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Eamon was reviewing data from the Big Year Radio telescope

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in Ohio. He saw a signal that was so powerful,

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so clear, and so obviously artificial that he circled it

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on the print out and just wrote wow in the margin.

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Speaker 1: And it came from the Sagittarius constellation. Right. Yeah, lasted

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for seventy two seconds.

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Speaker 2: And it was at a very specific frequency, the hydrogen line,

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which is the exact frequency scientists have always predicted an

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intelligent species would use to broadcast a signal. It was

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a perfect hello, but it never came again, never repeated.

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Speaker 1: And even if SETI did find a clear repeating signal today,

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Speaker 2: The protocol secrecy. It goes right back to Brookings. The

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discovery would be confirmed in secret, passed up the chain

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of command to the government, and they would decide if

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and when the public gets to know.

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Speaker 1: So we're not just listening. We've also been shouting into

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the jungle ourselves. We sent out messages.

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Speaker 2: The Pioneer plaques and the Voyager Golden Records.

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Speaker 1: Right. The Pioneer plaques in seventy two had the drawings

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of the nude man and woman on them, which was

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a bit controversial at the time.

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wanted to show what we look like where we are.

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Speaker 1: Which some people like Stephen Hawking, later said was an

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incredibly dangerous idea, basically leaving a map to your front

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door for any potential predators a fair point.

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and on them the Golden Record.

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Speaker 1: A gold plated copper phonograph record, basically humanity's mixtape for the.

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Speaker 2: Cosmos, designed to last for a billion years. It has

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sounds of Earth on it, wind, rain, whales, a mother's kiss.

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interstellar space.

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Speaker 2: But the most important part, according to these sources, was

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the greetings. There were spoken greetings in fifty five different languages.

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Speaker 1: And this is where we find another one of those

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smoking guns, isn't it?

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Speaker 2: This is a big one because among the fifty five languages, English, French, Mandarin,

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all the ones you'd expect, they included one very specific,

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very unusual language, Samaria. Samaran, a language that has been

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dead for over four thousand years. No one speaks it.

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Speaker 1: So why why would you put a greeting in a

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dead language on a message to aliens? It makes no sense.

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Speaker 2: It makes no sense unless you believe the aliens already.

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Speaker 1: Know that language, unless you believe they were here before exactly.

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Speaker 2: This connects directly to the work of Zakaria Sitchin, who

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translated those Sumerian tablets. He claimed they were a literal

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history of contact with beings called the Anunnaki.

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Speaker 1: Who came from a planet called Nibiru.

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Speaker 2: Correct. According to Sitchin, the Onunaki came to Earth, interacted

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with the Sumerians, taught them civilization, and gave them their

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languid So by putting a Sumerian greeting on that record.

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Speaker 1: NASA wasn't just sending a random message. They were sending

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a message back to a specific group. They were saying, hello,

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we remember you.

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Speaker 2: It implies a level of knowledge within NASA that is

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far beyond what they've ever admitted publicly.

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Speaker 1: So let's talk about these Onunaki. Sitchin's theory is that

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they're from this planet Nibiru, which has a really long elliptical.

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and thirty six hundred years. It swings way out past

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Speaker 1: And where does Mars fit into this whole story?

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Speaker 2: Mars, arding to Sitchens translations, was their way station, their

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forward operating base. Think of it like an airport hub.

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and then shuttle down to Earth to conduct their business.

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Speaker 2: Which was, according to the tablets, to mine for gold

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and eventually to genetically engineer a worker race.

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Speaker 1: Now Sitchen made a projection, didn't he based on that

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three six hundred year orbit? When are they do back?

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Speaker 2: The next passive Neberu through our part of the Solar

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system is projected for some time around the year twenty nine.

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Speaker 1: Hundred, so we've got a little bit of time to

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get our house in order.

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Speaker 2: A few centuries. But the question the source material poses

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is will they be happy with what we've done with

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the place. If they see themselves as our creators, our parents,

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how will they judge us?

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Speaker 1: You kids have really wrecked the car on.

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Speaker 2: A planetary scale. And this is why proponents of theory

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expect to find more than just microbes on Mars. If

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it was a waste station for the Anonachi, there should

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be ruins, there should be pyramids, structures, evidence of their presence.

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Speaker 1: And this leads us to what I think is the

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idea that well that we are the evidence that we

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Speaker 2: This is where the biology becomes undeniable for the believers.

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We talked about at the start, the circadian rhythm.

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Speaker 1: Let's really break this down because everyone needs to understand this.

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Scientists have done these isolation experiments for decades. They put

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people in deep caves or in sealed bunkers with no windows,

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no clocks.

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Speaker 2: Total isolation from all external timeques, no sunrise, no sunset.

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our internal clock would be hardwired to exactly twenty four hours.

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Speaker 2: It should be, but it's not. Every single time they

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do these experiments, the human body's free running clock drifts,

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and it always settles on a day that is approximately

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twenty four hours and forty minutes long, almost twenty four

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Speaker 1: Twenty four point nine.

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Speaker 1: It's a perfect match. It is a.

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Speaker 2: Perfect match to many. This is the single most compelling

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piece of evidence that we did not originate on this planet.

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Speaker 1: The theory, then, is that life began on Mars. Mars

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was the first Earth. It was blue and green and alive,

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and our ancestors evolved there.

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Speaker 2: And then some great catastrophe happened. A solar flare stripped

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its atmosphere, a planetary war, we don't know, but the

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planet died and the survivors, our ancestors, fled to the

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nearest habitable world Earth.

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Speaker 1: We are a colony of refugees.

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Speaker 2: We are Martians with amnesia.

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Speaker 1: And it suddenly explained so many things. Why does so

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many humans have chronic back pain? Maybe because our skeletons

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evolved for a world with one third the gravity why

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do we get sunburned so easily? You our skin wasn't

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designed for a planet this close to the Sun.

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Speaker 2: It recontextualizes all of our supposed biological flaws. They aren't flaws,

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they're just evidence that we're living in the wrong environment.

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Speaker 1: And look what happens when we go back into a

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low gravity environment, like the astronauts on the space station.

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Speaker 2: Their bodies immediately start to change. Their spines decompress, and

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they grow taller, sometimes by two or three inches.

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Speaker 1: So let's project that forward. Imagine a generation of humans

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born and raised on Mars. What would they look like?

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Over time?

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Speaker 2: Evolution would take over in a lower gravity You wouldn't

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need a heavy, robust skeleton. You'd become taller, more slender.

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Speaker 1: Spindley, even tallen thin.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Mars is also much dimmer than Earth. It's further

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from the Sun, so to absorb more light, your eyes

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would likely evolve to become much larger. Hey, guys, and

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with less direct UV radiation and a different atmosphere, your

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skin would probably be very pale. So what do you have.

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Speaker 1: Tall, skinny, pale beings with huge dark eyes. You're describing

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the classic gray alien.

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Speaker 2: Or you're describing a fallen angel.

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Speaker 1: Whoa okay, connect that for me because I'm picturing angels

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with white robes and feathery wings.

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Speaker 2: That's the modern, sanitized version. But if you go back

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to the older texts, like the non canonical Book of Enoch,

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it describes the Watchers, the angels who descend it to Earth.

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They are described as being incredibly tall giants, striking to

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look upon with huge, mesmerizing eyes. There's no mention of wings.

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Speaker 1: They sound like space adapted humans.

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Speaker 2: The theory is that's exactly what they were. They weren't

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supernatural beings from Heaven. They were our ancient ancestors from

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Mars returning to Earth.

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Speaker 1: And there's even a reference in Dante's Paradiso, isn't there

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from centuries ago?

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Speaker 2: Yes, Dante describes his journey through the heavens and when

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he reaches the fifth heaven, he explicitly identifies it as Mars,

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the realm of the warrior angels. The connection between angels

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and Mars has been part of our subconscious, our mythology

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for a very long time.

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Speaker 1: It's all just a misunderstood history of our own origins.

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So if we go back to Mars, we're not just exploring.

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We're going home, and we might find things they left behind,

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like the monolith.

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Speaker 2: The Phobos monolith, a very specific and very strange object.

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Speaker 1: Vobos is one of Bars's two tiny moons.

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Speaker 2: It's more of a captured asteroid, really a lumpy, potato

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shaped rock. But in nineteen ninety eight the Mars Global

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Surveyor took a high resolution photo of its surface, and

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on that surface there is a large rectangular object sticking

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straight up, casting a long black shadow.

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Speaker 1: It looks completely artificial. It looks like the monolith from

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two thousand and one A Space Odyssey.

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Speaker 2: It really does, and it's not just a fringe idea.

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Buzz Aldrin, the second man to walk on the Moon,

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has spoken about it publicly.

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Speaker 1: What did he say?

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Speaker 2: He said, and I'm paraphrasing, that there is a monolith

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on Phobos, and when people find out about it, they're

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going to ask who put it there. He treated it

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as a known artificial object.

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Speaker 1: So what is it a monument?

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Speaker 2: The source material suggests it's a piece of technology, and

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it connects it directly to the obelisks we find here

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on Earth, in Egypt and elsewhere.

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Speaker 1: I would just assume those are giants stone decorations.

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Speaker 2: That's the textbook answer. But let's look at what they're

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made of. They are carved from single massive pieces of granite,

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and granite is full of quartz.

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Speaker 1: Crystal in quartz. Yeah, that's piece of electric right exactly.

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Speaker 2: Piso Electricity means if you apply pressure or vibration to

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a quartz crystal, it generates an electric charge, and it

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works in reverse. Apply a charge and it vibrates at

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a precise frequency. It's a transducer. It turns mechanical energy

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into electrical energy, and vice versa.

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Speaker 1: So an obelisk is in this statue, it's a giant antenna.

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Speaker 2: That's the theory that the obelisks and other megalithic sites

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like Stonehenge and Avebury were components in a global wireless

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energy grid.

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Speaker 1: A planetary power system, and maybe.

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Speaker 2: More than just power. The source talks about a geometry

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of consciousness, the idea that these sites placed on key

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energy lines of the planet could broadcast frequencies that would

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elevate human awareness.

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Speaker 1: Oh, wireless internet for the soul.

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Speaker 2: You could put it that way. And now the final step.

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If the phobost monolith is made of the same material

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and is part of the same design.

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Speaker 1: Then the grid wasn't just global, it was interplanetary.

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Speaker 2: A unified energy and consciousness grid connecting Mars and Earth.

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And maybe we've been cut off from it for thousands of.

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Speaker 1: Years, And our entire space program, whether public or secret,

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is an unconscious drive to go back and plug the

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thing back in.

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Speaker 2: And look who's leading that drive. Now. It's not just

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governments anymore, it's private billionaires. Elon Musk is obsessed with

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dying on Mars.

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Speaker 1: He calls it making humanity a multiplanetary species.

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Speaker 2: But maybe he's just an instrument of that ancient Martian

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DNA inside him, calling him home without him even realizing why.

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Speaker 1: So if this is all true, when we finally get

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back there in force, we won't just find red dust.

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We'll find the proof, the ruins, the technology.

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Speaker 2: But there's what the Source calls the big whoop factor.

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If NASA announced tomorrow they've found fossilized bacteria on Mars,

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most people would say, huh, that's neat and go back

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to their lives.

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Speaker 1: Right, it doesn't really change anything for the average person.

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Speaker 2: But what if they announced they found a humanoid statue

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or ruined building. That changes everything. It validates every myth,

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every secret society belief, and it proves we are not alone.

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In fact, we've never been alone.

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Speaker 1: And that's why they would hide it. That's the Brookies

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Report in action, because if we knew our true heritage,

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if we knew we were the descendants of these star people.

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Speaker 2: We might realize we don't need the current systems of control.

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We might realize our own potential. And to the powers

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that be, that is the most dangerous idea in the universe.

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Speaker 1: It is an absolutely incredible, sprawling narrative. It connects our

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biology to our mythology, secret societies, to deep space exploration.

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Speaker 2: But the central idea is so powerful that we are

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a species with amnesia, stumbling around, looking up at the

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stars and feeling a sense of longing we can't quite explain.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's not a desire to explore. Maybe it's just

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that we're homesick.

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Speaker 2: A very profound possibility.

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Speaker 1: So I want to end by asking you, the listener,

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a direct question, based on everything we've talked about, the secrecy,

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the Brookings Report, the potential for a hidden.

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Speaker 2: History, ask yourself this, Honestly.

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Speaker 1: If the news broke tomorrow morning that a base had

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been found on the dark side of the moon, or

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that the face on Mars was confirmed to be an

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artificial structure. How would you really feel?

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Speaker 2: Would you be excited, would you be scared or would

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you feel cheated? Would you feel like you've been living

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your whole life inside a carefully constructed cage?

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Speaker 1: And tonight, if you find yourself awake at three am

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staring at the ceiling, don't be frustrated with your body.

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Speaker 2: Don't blame the coffee.

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Speaker 1: Just consider for a moment that maybe you're not an insomniac.

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Maybe you're just running on Mars time. Maybe that's your

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Martian DNA calling you home.

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Speaker 2: Let us know what you think in the comments. Is

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this all just a wild sci fi story or is

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there something more to it?

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Speaker 1: This has been thrilling Threads. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 2: Until next time,