Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: What? What's going to happen? I'll take you one.
Speaker 1: What a.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the Headless Giant Podcast. I've got a mail
Speaker 3: bag full of your occult, esoteric, paranormal slash dream stories
Speaker 3: and I got my co host here, Nick from the
Speaker 3: Occult Rejects.
Speaker 1: Tell them where they can find you.
Speaker 2: Nick, Thank you very much for having me on again.
Speaker 2: Looking forward to this. Yes, the Occult Rejects. That is
Speaker 2: on old major podcasts and bit shoot Rumble in YouTube
Speaker 2: and if you like hell List's stuff, you'll see him
Speaker 2: on there pretty often, so go check it out.
Speaker 1: We had a wild conversation last night.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, that dude. That dude's crazy. That dude's
Speaker 2: bumped out. I had him off more for like entertainment.
Speaker 1: No, it's good. I mean yeah, at some insights, it
Speaker 1: seems like there's an old modus operandi of how they
Speaker 1: see the world from these lodge perspectives, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, it kind of almost still makes
Speaker 2: you narrow minded in a sense. I think that's just
Speaker 2: my opinion, and I'm not gonna go like, you know nothing.
Speaker 2: I don't think Leon's making it up and for him
Speaker 2: to totally disregard everything he said. I was just like,
Speaker 2: all right, this is the type of dude I'm dealing with.
Speaker 2: He doesn't really he'll be theas in magic, but doesn't
Speaker 2: believe in that.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I think it's the lon Milo Duquet perspective.
Speaker 1: It's all psychologists. You don't know how far your psychology extends.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's like, dude, there's so
Speaker 1: much stuff out there that you could be learning and using,
Speaker 1: but it's sort of the old way of you know,
Speaker 1: Alistair Crowley and Carl Jung and everything is psychology. It's
Speaker 1: like we got to into the parapsychology, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, So I'm just tweeting this out real quick.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, nice. Yeah, then I'll u I should tweet
Speaker 2: that out myself right now too. Myself.
Speaker 1: We got a bunch of responses, But if you guys
Speaker 1: want to get your stories out there, you just email
Speaker 1: me at Headless Giant Podcast at gmail dot com and
Speaker 1: I'll read your stories. So this first one, I'm going
Speaker 1: in most recent order, So I'm gonna I got a
Speaker 1: few to get through to get to yours. If you're
Speaker 1: looking for it. This is from Joe Ferguson. So I
Speaker 1: had this dream twenty plus years ago. First and foremost,
Speaker 1: I mean no disrespect to anyone or their specific beliefs,
Speaker 1: But this is my dream, and this is how it
Speaker 1: played out, and it has always stuck with me, and
Speaker 1: I remember it very vividly. In the dream, I had
Speaker 1: come to this apartment complex kind of at the edge
Speaker 1: of the city. I couldn't tell you what city or
Speaker 1: even why I had gone to this apartment complex. I
Speaker 1: arrived there were a bunch of Muslim women there and
Speaker 1: their children. After taking a few people, I find out
Speaker 1: this is a place where Muslim women and their children
Speaker 1: can go if they have been accused of adultery or
Speaker 1: other sin that would cause them to be exiled. I
Speaker 1: don't know if such a place exists. And I arrived
Speaker 1: on a very special day. They were making a pilgrimage
Speaker 1: and I was invited to go with. So we set
Speaker 1: out on a walk and then we came to this mesa.
Speaker 1: And after we climb the mesa, there is a pond
Speaker 1: that is about knee deep, and the pond is tons
Speaker 1: of fish swimming around. Also, horses are galloping and splashing
Speaker 1: through the water. I'm quite taken aback by all this,
Speaker 1: and I don't realize that something is happening above me
Speaker 1: until I hear all the women crying and chanting. I
Speaker 1: look around and the women are all staring up. And
Speaker 1: when I look up, there is an eclipse happening.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, right, And as the moon is in alignment
Speaker 2: with the sun, a.
Speaker 1: Vision of Mary peers and then I wake up. I've
Speaker 1: always loved the myth and symbolism, so I know a
Speaker 1: lot of the symbolism is goddess related, and I am
Speaker 1: big on the divine feminine getting her time to shine.
Speaker 1: But this dream and one other are really the only
Speaker 1: dreams I can remember. But this is one especially take
Speaker 1: care and hope you guys enjoy. So we got the horses.
Speaker 1: Wish we got the Muslim women. Now, what I'm hearing
Speaker 1: when I when I hear the Muslim women is I'm
Speaker 1: hearing cloaked figures.
Speaker 2: Here's what I would get here, Just like the eyes,
Speaker 2: the eyes kind of showing. We're like, yeah, that's the
Speaker 2: whole thing that they wear. Right, It's interesting how you
Speaker 2: got that. Again, if the last week was kind of
Speaker 2: like an Arabic you know, Muslims time.
Speaker 1: It's interesting. He doesn't sound like his word usage doesn't
Speaker 1: sound particularly Arabic, but I think that it's the cloaked
Speaker 1: part that's interesting. And also it's like he arrives at
Speaker 1: a place of shame, right, and then they're going to
Speaker 1: this mesa, which is like a place of renewal, and
Speaker 1: I think that the women there, it reminds me of
Speaker 1: the Muses. That's what I was going for, Like the
Speaker 1: Muses were sort of taking him to this place of renewal,
Speaker 1: and he thought it was because of their crimes or
Speaker 1: their you know, adultery or whatever, but really it could
Speaker 1: have to do with him sort of getting back in
Speaker 1: touch with that divine, feminine nature. And then you've got
Speaker 1: the union of the Sun and the Moon coming together
Speaker 1: at this place. What else What's also interesting to me
Speaker 1: is the specifically, right after he sees the horses splashing
Speaker 1: around in the water, he sees the sun and the
Speaker 1: moon going into conjunction. And in the Orphic Hymn to
Speaker 1: the Moon, they call the Moon the lover of horses. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's weird because it fits. Nobody
Speaker 1: really knows why. It's like, so the moon loves horses.
Speaker 1: I can understand that that makes perfect sense, but I
Speaker 1: have no idea why. You know, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff like that with the Greek symbolism. It's like they're
Speaker 1: explaining something to me that I understand instinctually, but I
Speaker 1: can't explain it rationally. And I think this is one
Speaker 1: of those stories where it's like you've got these different images,
Speaker 1: the fish, the horses, this pond on top of a mesa.
Speaker 1: It makes sense, but it doesn't make sense rationally. Like
Speaker 1: there's some sort of intuitive type thing going on there,
Speaker 1: and I think it has to do with the reflection
Speaker 1: of the sky in the pond, right, So he hears
Speaker 1: them crying and chanting, looks up, but at the same
Speaker 1: time he's looking up, that eclipse is happening in the
Speaker 1: water in the reflection. So if he's talking about the
Speaker 1: goddess or this Mary, that would be sort of in
Speaker 1: conjunction with what's going on in the sky. So it's
Speaker 1: like this, you know, Hinos Gambos again, like this divine
Speaker 1: union between earth and sky, which brings about this sort
Speaker 1: of Marian apparition. And I think that's it's probably a
Speaker 1: good place to connect with that, that whole thing and
Speaker 1: this is one of those symbols that you know, it
Speaker 1: sticks with you because there's a lot more you can
Speaker 1: get out of it. And just by exploring these symbols
Speaker 1: and finding out what they mean to other people, you
Speaker 1: can really tap into that that kind of ancestral memory
Speaker 1: or that ancestral consciousness.
Speaker 2: It's actually really like even like if I wanted to
Speaker 2: look at this guy's dream ca holistically, I mean, and
Speaker 2: I'm sure you know it didn't happen to be that
Speaker 2: way purposely, but I mean, if you're staw looking at
Speaker 2: like I just wanny, you know, mention the horses, and
Speaker 2: like they made me think of the chariot, and the
Speaker 2: chariot does go from like a wor ta binah, like
Speaker 2: then the lovers go from Tiffreth to Banas. Like you
Speaker 2: even have like kind of those two ideas like parallel
Speaker 2: to each other running to the same sphere. It was
Speaker 2: just like it's just interesting in like certain things that
Speaker 2: you said, even like the stream or the fish. The
Speaker 2: fish is even associated with like a tifferent in sense.
Speaker 2: It's just it's just a lot of a lot of
Speaker 2: those same symbols and ideas are going to the same area.
Speaker 2: It's just very weird.
Speaker 1: Right well, the sun and the moon in conjunction right
Speaker 1: above tiffreath and you sew. You know, that's sort of
Speaker 1: like the whole sort of centering of that middle pillar,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, And you know, if I was going
Speaker 1: to give you any advice there, I think going back
Speaker 1: to that place before a ritual or during a meditation
Speaker 1: would be highly beneficial to you know, start to receive
Speaker 1: the images from the water or start to tap into
Speaker 1: some of that ancestral memory or instinctual memory, a little
Speaker 1: bit of intuition there too. So I think you can
Speaker 1: really make a good starting point for rituals and meditations
Speaker 1: from that that environment that your that your mind showed you.
Speaker 1: So let's see. Yeah, that was the first one. This
Speaker 1: one is a paranormal story. Nice cheese caper, Hey, headless.
Speaker 1: I hope I'm not too late to write you something.
Speaker 1: I've had several strange, unexplainable things happened to me over
Speaker 1: the years, but this one is stuck with me. My
Speaker 1: ex was suffering with congestive heart failure renal failure and
Speaker 1: was pretty much stuck in bed. I was working and
Speaker 1: gone from the house a lot to support us, but
Speaker 1: when I was home and spending time with him. He
Speaker 1: would say, they are coming for me. I could feel them,
Speaker 1: but now I am seeing them. I would inquire about
Speaker 1: what he meant, and he said there were beings in
Speaker 1: the house. I didn't think much of it, because, to
Speaker 1: be honest, he had been a heavy drug user all
Speaker 1: his life and that kind of talk was pretty normal
Speaker 1: coming from him. One night, I came home from work
Speaker 1: and was just sitting in the bed talking to him.
Speaker 1: I casually glanced at the door and I saw two
Speaker 1: shadow figures moving very quickly across the other side of
Speaker 1: the doorframe. As I was talking to him, I looked
Speaker 1: back at him and quickly looked back at the door
Speaker 1: because it looked like there was another person or person's
Speaker 1: in the house. I said nothing, just went to staring
Speaker 1: at the doorway. He kind of smiled and said, you
Speaker 1: can see them too, can't you? I exclaimed, is that
Speaker 1: what you've been talking about? He said, yes, of course
Speaker 1: I saw them. It was two always two shadows, two
Speaker 1: or more times after that incident, he died a few
Speaker 1: weeks later. It always made me wonder because I have
Speaker 1: been around dying people before, but this man was a
Speaker 1: really terrible person and did some horrible things in his life.
Speaker 1: I guess they really were coming to get them. Thank
Speaker 1: you for your time. I enjoy your show. I love
Speaker 1: seeing you on the Occult Rejects. That was from the NESSA.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Uh, it's issues like this are
Speaker 1: I think? I mean, like, yeah, we got the comment right,
Speaker 1: there's me.
Speaker 2: I was gonna break that off.
Speaker 1: It's always math. The shadow people follow people around on Math.
Speaker 2: That that and I've heard Crackside Coast's motherfuckers things. People
Speaker 2: are in trees and shit not watching them right.
Speaker 1: For some reason, the math always produces shadow people and
Speaker 1: they're hungry. Man, those are hungry ghosts. When it comes
Speaker 1: to like, on a scale of one to ten, I'd
Speaker 1: say probably the stories I've heard the shadow people are
Speaker 1: are out most for something. They're hungry, they're looking for it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: Imagine that's like some wild side effect that comes from
Speaker 2: smoking myth because the person's that creating it.
Speaker 1: Absolutely could be it could be far of your soul too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like almost like a pultegeist, but it's like
Speaker 2: spun on by a method.
Speaker 1: Well, the Egyptians believe that there were like nine layers
Speaker 1: to a soul. I believe. And so when you're so
Speaker 1: heavily involved in drug use and all the rest of
Speaker 1: the crap that you've done in your life to kind
Speaker 1: of separate out these different parts of your personality, those
Speaker 1: parts of your soul could spin off too, and they
Speaker 1: wouldn't be very happy about it. This is a big
Speaker 1: problem when it comes to like exorcism. It's like, what
Speaker 1: are you actually getting rid of? Shouldn't you be interested
Speaker 1: more on like integrating that shadow self instead of just
Speaker 1: like throwing it out there and hoping it goes away.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot I can say about, you know,
Speaker 1: Christian exorcism, but at this point, when you're seeing the
Speaker 1: shadow people that the drug user has been seeing, you
Speaker 1: can pretty well be so that something really strange is happening,
Speaker 1: you know. But yeah, I mean that guy picked it
Speaker 1: out right there, clumb Meth buddies. I think it's interesting
Speaker 1: that it's the two. You know, they don't really like
Speaker 1: to travel alone, and if you think about the underworld
Speaker 1: or or the afterlife, it makes sense why these beings
Speaker 1: would never want to be low. It can be a
Speaker 1: really lonely place, you know. So the idea that there
Speaker 1: would be two coming after this guy. It seems pretty
Speaker 1: pretty logical, especially if they're hanging around all the time
Speaker 1: sort of doing surveillance and whatever. But they were definitely
Speaker 1: coming for a soul that was kind of creepy.
Speaker 2: It was the twins on the chariot.
Speaker 1: There you go, that's the area. So this one is
Speaker 1: from Alice Alan Morrison. I woke up and it was
Speaker 1: a beautiful day. I was drinking my coffee out of
Speaker 1: the I said to myself, I'm going to go to
Speaker 1: the mounds. This is the guy who was posting those
Speaker 1: mound pictures for us.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, thank you, yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to the mounds. Today is the day.
Speaker 1: Even though I have lived in Western Tennessee my whole life,
Speaker 1: I have never been to the Pinson Mounds, or so
Speaker 1: I thought. I quickly showered and got ready. I usually
Speaker 1: listened to podcasts while driving, but for some reason I
Speaker 1: decided to listen to music. It didn't take long before
Speaker 1: I picked up boards of Canada's Geo Gotti. I haven't
Speaker 1: heard of that one. I haven't heard it in a
Speaker 1: really long time. It seemed the perfect for my headspace.
Speaker 1: I was on the third day of fasting and this
Speaker 1: popped a couple herbal gummies. The drive started out great.
Speaker 1: About thirty minutes away from the mounds, when I was
Speaker 1: in unfamiliar territory, it hit I have been here before.
Speaker 1: The closer I got, the more I recognize. The anxiety
Speaker 1: kept growing. As I started to freak out. I knew
Speaker 1: it was happening again. I started calling out landmarks to
Speaker 1: myself before I got to them, and I was right
Speaker 1: every time that it hit me. When I was here before,
Speaker 1: it was nighttime. Then a voice that seemed to come
Speaker 1: from my chest that is different from my internal dialogue, said,
Speaker 1: you have been here before, and it wasn't a dream.
Speaker 1: You were astral projecting. It felt like my mind cracked.
Speaker 1: Now it's important to talk about the time of my
Speaker 1: life I was having these dreams quote unquote that kept
Speaker 1: triggering these feelings. In the mid nineties, I was a
Speaker 1: heroin addict. Back to the drugs again. It separates different
Speaker 1: parts of your soul. Man, It's that simple. I think
Speaker 1: it has a lot more to do with the desire
Speaker 1: than the chemical itself. It's that constant desire for drugs
Speaker 1: that really starts to separate out these pieces. In the
Speaker 1: mid nineties, when I was a heroin addict. I was
Speaker 1: very into Robert Anton Wilson at the time. I remember
Speaker 1: being fascinated with the concept of twilight sleep and began experimenting.
Speaker 1: I would do transcendental meditation on heroin, sometimes with psychedelics.
Speaker 1: I definitely had out of body experiences. Hell, I've probably
Speaker 1: died more times than people are supposed to. I think
Speaker 1: what was happening was I was leaving my body in
Speaker 1: my sleep. From what I have read tonight, opiate suppressed
Speaker 1: the dream state, so it seems it could be a possibility.
Speaker 1: I mentioned the Boards of Canada because I listened to
Speaker 1: them a lot in this period. I felt it may
Speaker 1: have helped with the revelation. I do not recommend people
Speaker 1: try this. Heroin will make you a slave, and it
Speaker 1: is not worth it for a chance for some supernatural experiences.
Speaker 1: You may not even have. None of my user friends
Speaker 1: that are still alive had these experiences. I would not
Speaker 1: wish heroin addiction on my worst enemy. It's the most
Speaker 1: evil thing I have ever experienced. I lost part of
Speaker 1: myself that I will never get back again, separating out
Speaker 1: the parts of the soul. I've been off opiates now
Speaker 1: for twenty three years. Wow, twenty three.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 1: That is awesome. Now why I was unknowingly ash projecting
Speaker 1: to the mounds, that's another mystery to solve. Well, like
Speaker 1: you said, it suppresses the dream state, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: suppress the you know, astral body's will to get outside
Speaker 1: of the body, you know, I mean when you're closer
Speaker 1: to death in those states popping out. Yeah, And he
Speaker 1: was talking about being on a three day fast, which
Speaker 1: I think probably prompted him to go back to the mounds.
Speaker 1: I think there's kind of well, I mean, there are
Speaker 1: magnetic anomalies around these mound sites and these petroglyphs and
Speaker 1: around you know, the megaliths, right, so it wouldn't seem
Speaker 1: too uncommon that your soul or your spirit body would
Speaker 1: be drawn to these places that have a lot of
Speaker 1: these magnetic anomalies. It brings a lot of focus to them.
Speaker 1: So for him to go out to these mounds and
Speaker 1: take pictures of them while fasting pretty similar situation. For
Speaker 1: him to be drawn to these mounds while on heroin,
Speaker 1: you know, it's sort of the same kind of thing.
Speaker 1: You're bringing your body into an altered state of altered state, right,
Speaker 1: and then you're drawn back to the place where you
Speaker 1: were at before when you're in that altered state. So
Speaker 1: it's interesting to me that he was traveling along the
Speaker 1: road in his astral body. That's how he was picking
Speaker 1: out the different landmarks, you know, So he might have
Speaker 1: been on the road in his astral body as well
Speaker 1: as in his car.
Speaker 2: What's your take, Uh, they still travel? I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean there has been times and I think I
Speaker 2: you know, I kind of the thing is that we're
Speaker 2: kind of referring back to something that we've said before.
Speaker 2: But there has been times where it's like when I've
Speaker 2: been extremely sick and like I do feel like I
Speaker 2: went somewhere for like a few seconds that wasn't dreaming,
Speaker 2: but somewhere else because it seems weird and almost seems
Speaker 2: like it has an atmosphere to it in itself, you know.
Speaker 2: And that has always been like an extreme high fevers
Speaker 2: put it that way. I've had that happen to me.
Speaker 2: It's almost like that Pink Floyd shit, you know, I
Speaker 2: had a fucking fever in hand, felt like two balloons.
Speaker 2: But like that has happened to me. Yeah, I've heard
Speaker 2: that happen to other people. Too. As a child, you know,
Speaker 2: you'll have a high fever, you'll be sick, and like
Speaker 2: you almost have like hallucinations or you experience these like
Speaker 2: you know, weird things. But yeah, that has There has
Speaker 2: been a few times where I have thought that I've asked,
Speaker 2: will traveled, you know, And again I don't know if
Speaker 2: that's because you know, close to death, but I mean
Speaker 2: there is something going on in your body that's not
Speaker 2: good either.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's the altered state. I had a
Speaker 1: friend of mine in college who would do astral travels
Speaker 1: all the time, and he would have to stay up
Speaker 1: for three days straight now sleep and then you know,
Speaker 1: go into a meditation and then boom outside of his
Speaker 1: body pretty quickly. I think that altered state. Once you
Speaker 1: can master going into and outside of your body in
Speaker 1: that altered state, it makes it a lot easier when
Speaker 1: you're not altering the state. You know, it's it's kind
Speaker 1: of a muscle. You gotta work the muscle out so
Speaker 1: that you can get back to that thing. But it's
Speaker 1: interesting that it would be these mound sites because I
Speaker 1: think right and the mounds wouldn't have survived in the
Speaker 1: environments where they made them without the layering effect, So
Speaker 1: they have to layer different materials all the way up
Speaker 1: the mound so that they can get that thing to
Speaker 1: stay there and not just fall apart. So there are
Speaker 1: different layers of material. I think it's holding up to
Speaker 1: different charges as well. I mean, you've got the oregon factor, right,
Speaker 1: so you've got different minerals at different layers and how
Speaker 1: they interact with each other. That's kind of how oregone works,
Speaker 1: where you've got the organics and the non organic sort
Speaker 1: of stacked on top of each other. I wonder if
Speaker 1: that's a factor in how they build these things. They
Speaker 1: could be giant oregone accumulators.
Speaker 2: That could be fucking crazy stuff right there. Indeed, you
Speaker 2: know something else I was thinking too, Like you know,
Speaker 2: not to go back to what I was saying earlier,
Speaker 2: but like you know, I even mentioned high fevers, and
Speaker 2: it is interesting that, like you know, you add heat,
Speaker 2: the shit it rises. Yeah, it sounds silly, but like
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know, I've always had high temperatures
Speaker 2: when I've had these weird experiences that I thought, like
Speaker 2: I disconnected from myself.
Speaker 1: Well, it's fairly common in the in the Shamanic tradition
Speaker 1: to train a child who's had a life threatening illness
Speaker 1: very early on in their life to be a shaman
Speaker 1: because of the fact that they've survived and having that
Speaker 1: survival of those you know, high fevers, high temperatures, all
Speaker 1: the rest of that would cause the body to leave,
Speaker 1: the astral body to leave and then come back. So
Speaker 1: there is that as a factor too with all these sicknesses.
Speaker 2: I did not know that at all.
Speaker 1: So we've got another one here. Odd Experiences by Gabriel Guzman. Hello,
Speaker 1: my name is Gabriel Guzman. I've been a longtime viewer
Speaker 1: of Occult Rejects and I've talked about some of these
Speaker 1: experiences on the Element server a few years ago. Man,
Speaker 1: this guy's an old time Yeah.
Speaker 2: Soon as I heard Element, I was like, whoa, that's awesome,
Speaker 2: thank you, thank you.
Speaker 1: If you want more detail on anything, just to ask.
Speaker 1: But I've had an ND eight years ago when I
Speaker 1: was twenty one, and I one hundred percent believe I
Speaker 1: crossed the Abyss. That was the only experience I've ever
Speaker 1: had until four years ago. I had a wild encounter
Speaker 1: with a flying saucer in rural Washington State on my
Speaker 1: family's sixth generation farm. I moved back down to California
Speaker 1: after that, and for a while I was having reoccurring
Speaker 1: dream of fighting a fake alien invasion. I saw fake
Speaker 1: because the craft destroying cities look like fitterjet drones and
Speaker 1: the flying saucer never destroyed anything. After that, I started
Speaker 1: to get into ritualistic ceremonial magic, and although I was
Speaker 1: losing my mind for a while, almost every night, these
Speaker 1: strange astral entities remind me of Grays would visit me
Speaker 1: and make it very hard to sleep. That went on
Speaker 1: for a few months until on one night, I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure I innovated an angel as I watched it and
Speaker 1: get rid of these entities and never experience that again.
Speaker 1: So that's an interesting kind of exorcism of the Grays.
Speaker 1: You know. I'm sure you've heard the the Christian podcasters
Speaker 1: talk about all the uh, all the times that calling
Speaker 1: out the name of Jesus has has made the Grays
Speaker 1: go away, and uh, well this guy did it by
Speaker 1: inventing an angel of his own, and he made.
Speaker 2: The Grays go away.
Speaker 1: So there's a I think there's an element of human
Speaker 1: spirit that goes into making people whole again.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: This is where we get the term holism. So you've
Speaker 1: got to sort of tap into the collective unconsciousness or
Speaker 1: the collective genius of humankind to return the body and
Speaker 1: the mind to a state of homeostasis.
Speaker 2: Again, look that we got someone, you know there you go.
Speaker 1: Nice. What's your take on his experience with the ceremonial magic,
Speaker 1: the Grays and all the rest of it.
Speaker 2: For me, I don't even know how to explain it.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Next time I fuck with magic, maybe
Speaker 2: we'll kick back into my head and I'll get an idea.
Speaker 2: But there was a lot of things. I mean, just
Speaker 2: there are certain things, and not to get into it
Speaker 2: too much, but like I do feel like to an extent,
Speaker 2: this UFO shit, some of it goes back to just magic,
Speaker 2: you know. And you know, even the idea of a
Speaker 2: gray and Lamb Alista Crowley and again that that kind
Speaker 2: of whole look goes back to him. I just don't
Speaker 2: think it's as what we do with with certain gods,
Speaker 2: humanize the shit out of them and actually think they're real,
Speaker 2: is what we're doing wrong with Lamb in my opinion.
Speaker 2: And actually you know, thinking that that's you know, some
Speaker 2: creature that actually you know exists, you know, it's an
Speaker 2: archetype or an idea that's put into an art. But
Speaker 2: h I mean, I so like, I guess what I'm
Speaker 2: getting at is that, like you know, when it comes
Speaker 2: to the occult, I can see how you can start
Speaker 2: tying I guess UFO or alien stuff into it. But
Speaker 2: my also opinion too, I do think depending on what
Speaker 2: you're doing, I do think you can create I guess
Speaker 2: you a full type effects to people or alien effects
Speaker 2: to people, possibly you know, in the sky. People will
Speaker 2: take it for the wrong thing. That's just my opinion.
Speaker 2: Some serious stuff I think can do that. So just
Speaker 2: like this kid's whole thing, its just I mean to me,
Speaker 2: it just fits anyway, because I do think it's very
Speaker 2: fitting with the occult UFO and alien shit.
Speaker 1: I like to go a little bit more mechanical when
Speaker 1: it comes to consciousness. I think that there's this idea
Speaker 1: of plasma being conscious, Like they've been able to stabilize
Speaker 1: plaza something with that, right, so what if we have
Speaker 1: upper atmospheric plasmas?
Speaker 2: See real quick, I think that is actually more of
Speaker 2: the issue in our blood than that other fucking stupid
Speaker 2: word we keep throwing around like it's a strikes for
Speaker 2: no reason. I actually think the fact that this plasma
Speaker 2: in blood is more important than that silly shit. Well,
Speaker 2: think about that, we actually have like liquid light.
Speaker 1: Well, the plasma in are blood, I think they call
Speaker 1: it that, but it's it's sort of like how they
Speaker 1: say it's uh uh you know, sort of like a
Speaker 1: medium for the rest of the things in the blood.
Speaker 1: But the plasma in the sky, it's it's usually all
Speaker 1: electrically based. Now, with the blood, there are electrolytes that
Speaker 1: do carry a pretty good amount of this uh you know,
Speaker 1: easy electro charge because there the whole body functions on
Speaker 1: that easy water the uh you know chemically well not
Speaker 1: chemically but physically separated water from the charges and you
Speaker 1: get the uh the light from the sky that helps
Speaker 1: you to create these easy zones and your blood which
Speaker 1: punchs pumps your blood. So I think between the water,
Speaker 1: the electricity, and all of the energy in our atmosphere,
Speaker 1: I think there are probably I don't know if you've
Speaker 1: ever seen the pictures of sprites, but sometimes you'll have
Speaker 1: electricity going up instead of down, and so on the
Speaker 1: top of these clouds, you'll see these electrical sprites coming
Speaker 1: up and they don't look like normal electricity, and it's
Speaker 1: just like pure plasma, and if you see the videos
Speaker 1: of them, they'll hang around for a while. What if
Speaker 1: that's connected to consciousness? And what if maybe that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff is a portal for other forms of consciousness
Speaker 1: in that region that basically can come down and talk
Speaker 1: to you. And this is where we get the idea
Speaker 1: of these orbs and all the rest of this stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, the stories from Chris Bledsoe sounds like he's
Speaker 1: encountering these upper atmospheric plasmas that are taking on dimensions
Speaker 1: and forms that maybe have been connected to dimensions and
Speaker 1: forms of people who have had visions in the past,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, plasma is as close to formless
Speaker 1: as it gets. That was a good one, though. I
Speaker 1: like that. Let's see here. This is from Nannie. It's
Speaker 1: a short one, only a short story. But when I
Speaker 1: was about three or four years old, I remember falling
Speaker 1: down one point five meters at my house at night
Speaker 1: by crawling off some table before hitting the ground. I
Speaker 1: was suddenly stopped and let down very slowly. To this day,
Speaker 1: I have no fucking clue that that was possible. No
Speaker 1: one was even near me. Interesting. Interesting, I could see
Speaker 1: you kind of have different layers to your soul, and
Speaker 1: those different layers are connected to other different parts of
Speaker 1: your your I guess you would call it spiritual ecosystem.
Speaker 1: And a lot of that goes into right, well, that
Speaker 1: goes into ancestors. So yeah, you're thinking about these guardian
Speaker 1: angels and stuff that's heavily connected to ancestors who still
Speaker 1: care about their own family and how they grow up.
Speaker 1: And so a small child falling off of the table
Speaker 1: would definitely get their attention and cause them to step
Speaker 1: in with whatever they had. You know, what's your take.
Speaker 2: I mean, we do all have like even in our
Speaker 2: you know, I to get scientific and even our DNA,
Speaker 2: we do have like our whole ancestors like stored within
Speaker 2: us too, So I mean there's a connection to something there.
Speaker 2: Maybe I agree, and I to try to get too
Speaker 2: out there with it, but I do think, you know,
Speaker 2: like yeah, even like within an occult even kind of
Speaker 2: like you said, you're like holy guardian angel or something
Speaker 2: like that. To me, that would be kind of like
Speaker 2: higher up your DNH maybe like more in the past
Speaker 2: before you got all the way to where you are now.
Speaker 1: We got slick at the chat, So I kind of
Speaker 1: feel we get tricked by language.
Speaker 2: Oh for sure. For sure, language fucks everything right, And so.
Speaker 1: You know, our perception of things is so heavily biased
Speaker 1: in terms of the language that we use. And so
Speaker 1: even talking about guardian angels, ancestors, all the rest of
Speaker 1: this stuff wrapped up in in our family reincarnation cycles
Speaker 1: and across family reincarnation cycles, it's like, you know, all
Speaker 1: these things could be connected on a level that we
Speaker 1: haven't been able to describe fully yet. I'm up with that,
Speaker 1: you know, So if we don't have the language to
Speaker 1: describe it, what we just going through the experiences and
Speaker 1: finding the similarities is good, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I do think It's like I've always said,
Speaker 2: sometimes to explain some of my experiences, I can't even
Speaker 2: really properly do it speaking, so I have to like
Speaker 2: kind of give like visual ideas, and you know that
Speaker 2: still doesn't even do it. It's like I can't explain
Speaker 2: it with the language I.
Speaker 1: Have, absolutely And I had this one experience on mushrooms.
Speaker 2: It was like it hit me so.
Speaker 1: Fast that everything we say is coloring how we do things,
Speaker 1: and our language is so inadequate to even approach a
Speaker 1: lot of the experiences we've had that it creates so
Speaker 1: much more conflict than it's necessary, because if we could
Speaker 1: truly express what we're feeling and what we're seeing to
Speaker 1: other people who could truly understand it, we wouldn't have
Speaker 1: those problems in the first place. You know, you know,
Speaker 1: our language is a really dim reflection of what we
Speaker 1: actually feel and what we actually do, and people take
Speaker 1: things to mean anything they want to most of the
Speaker 1: time anyway, So oh.
Speaker 2: Today's day and age, Lying to yourself to believe whatever
Speaker 2: you wants like the normal thing to do.
Speaker 1: I think a really good example of that is the
Speaker 1: fact that for the last six or now probably eight
Speaker 1: years now, the Left has lost all sense of humor
Speaker 1: because they intentionally misinterpret everything they hear because that's the
Speaker 1: way they feel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1: So I got two from Gareth Turner.
Speaker 2: Oh nice, nice, I see him around. Thank you, Gareth,
Speaker 2: that's what's up.
Speaker 1: Good day to you. This was one weird. This one
Speaker 1: was weird and has the classic myth motif of performing
Speaker 1: an action that you really shouldn't. In twenty ten January,
Speaker 1: I left my girlfriend and gardening business after going straight
Speaker 1: onto conspiracy World, living in my van. It was really
Speaker 1: cold and snowy winter, really cold. So went to work
Speaker 1: on this farm, got there early, tried to get a
Speaker 1: fire going. No go, So I thought a bit of
Speaker 1: petrol would help, instead of the sensible thing of adding
Speaker 1: a small amount separately in a little vessel or any
Speaker 1: other safe way I had done before. Something very clearly
Speaker 1: went no. Let's squirt the petrol on the pissy little flame,
Speaker 1: and the petrol can was in the fire with me
Speaker 1: holding it. I will just add that I have never
Speaker 1: done anything stupid like that before. It sounds weird, but
Speaker 1: really I didn't have to control at that point, had
Speaker 1: it since? So makes sense now at the time sort of. Anyway,
Speaker 1: the petrol can in the fire, I'm shitting it. There's
Speaker 1: a stream outside, lots of snow, so I run outside
Speaker 1: and jump into the little pool that's part of this
Speaker 1: Brooks stream. The next thing, the water is in the
Speaker 1: fire all around me. The petrel has poured into the
Speaker 1: water and I am surrounded in the fire. Did a
Speaker 1: weird thing. Then I had a good moment, like one
Speaker 1: thousands in one to take stock. It was fucking amazing.
Speaker 1: Then back to real time, So I guess time slowed
Speaker 1: down for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, then went back to real time and the stream
Speaker 1: takes the petrel away, sorry nature, and I am left soaked,
Speaker 1: slightly laughed, and slightly singed and ecstatic. Ecstatic doesn't quite
Speaker 1: sum it up. It was like my vision Quest posted
Speaker 1: some shorts, yet this was unclear to my vision Quest.
Speaker 1: Peaceful explained it to my shaman. Once was a baptism
Speaker 1: of fire and water self initiated. That's interesting, So I
Speaker 1: guess it was an accident that led to a kind
Speaker 1: of an enlightenment experience where you got to see everything
Speaker 1: in matrix time. It's pretty well, that's pretty cool. I
Speaker 1: like that. So I had experiences where everything seems to
Speaker 1: slow down. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, But you know,
Speaker 1: I just wish I sped up. You know, if I
Speaker 1: sped up, things would be a lot better.
Speaker 2: But it's like when you're on the swing set and
Speaker 2: you jump off the swing, it shit slows down for
Speaker 2: a few you. I feel like, oh fuck, I ge
Speaker 2: believe I actually did this again. I don't even know
Speaker 2: what this has to do. But thank you. I was
Speaker 2: reading on that before and I was like, I don't
Speaker 2: get it. Thank you, Lucy.
Speaker 1: H wish you all, wish all the peeps. Let's see here.
Speaker 1: Time has been speeding up over here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that I do feel like it has been.
Speaker 1: Especially with all this stuff that Trump is doing, trying
Speaker 1: to flood the zone with all of his uh new
Speaker 1: orders and stuff.
Speaker 2: Get I don't know what. He's off the hook, he's
Speaker 2: off and running.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, anybody who thinks that they can balance
Speaker 1: this many balls in the air as they're as they're
Speaker 1: trying to juggle them has either been planning for this
Speaker 1: moment for the last four years. It's completely out of control.
Speaker 1: I kind of assume it's the ladder, but who knows.
Speaker 2: I think it's well, I think they're completely out of
Speaker 2: control and just doing what they've wanted to do for
Speaker 2: the last weeks. Yeah, I don't know. It just it
Speaker 2: seems very interesting. I wonder what will be like a
Speaker 2: year from there. Yeah. Yeah, it's just a lot of
Speaker 2: things seemed to change pretty soon actually, with all these
Speaker 2: decisions he's making. Yeah, I will say one thing that
Speaker 2: is like creepily eerie about it. And again I'm not
Speaker 2: just saying that it's necessarily like that, but there was
Speaker 2: a lot of parallels to Nazi Germany still, I mean,
Speaker 2: instead of Jewish people. Now we're just importing fucking illegal
Speaker 2: aliens to a fucking prison, Like, what the fuck? I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's one of those situations where you have
Speaker 1: to look at the incentives and understand that. You know,
Speaker 1: for me, at least, I see all of these deportations
Speaker 1: as being the result of the federal government putting in
Speaker 1: incentive structures that are just unsustainable completely, like they just
Speaker 1: they wanted to get it in place as quick as
Speaker 1: they could so that you can't get them out. And
Speaker 1: he's saying I don't care. So at some point it's
Speaker 1: like I put it.
Speaker 2: Oh, believe me, I don't think motherfucker should be here either.
Speaker 2: It's just like the parallels to Germany and certain points
Speaker 2: with this guy, it just seems funny and uncanny in
Speaker 2: certain ways. Not saying it's definitely necessary necessarily like that,
Speaker 2: it's just if you want to look at it, it
Speaker 2: is like what the fuck?
Speaker 1: Right, Well, from the libertarian perspective, they're like, there shouldn't
Speaker 1: be any borders, there shouldn't be any states, And I
Speaker 1: look at it like this. So libertarians are in favor
Speaker 1: of firearms, right, and you know, they see the firearm
Speaker 1: as a tool. Well, if you look at immigration like
Speaker 1: a tool, it could just be like a firearm, right,
Speaker 1: You're just using it to displace the native population. So
Speaker 1: do you have to disarm the person so that he
Speaker 1: doesn't shoot you, or do you let the tool continue
Speaker 1: to do its job, which is displace you. And if
Speaker 1: you look at it like that, you can kind of understand,
Speaker 1: you know, this isn't really about statism, This isn't really
Speaker 1: about borders. This is about disarming the people that want
Speaker 1: to displace you for their own benefits. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you look at the amount of aid that what's his name,
Speaker 1: George Soros got from USAID, Like he got one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty six billion dollars so that he could do these,
Speaker 1: you know, importation plans all across the world, not just America,
Speaker 1: but all across the world, because the idea there is
Speaker 1: to use these immigrants as a destabilization play to make
Speaker 1: sure nobody can resist their agenda. That's a weapon that's
Speaker 1: being used as a tool, and you got to take
Speaker 1: the tool out of their hands. I think that's one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why Musk and the rest of them
Speaker 1: are going after this USAID because that's been the main tool.
Speaker 1: You know, I found out today that USAID has four
Speaker 1: times the budget of the CIA. So anytime the CIA
Speaker 1: is doing anything, all they do is go over to
Speaker 1: their piggybank, USAID and then just withdraw the money and
Speaker 1: keep keep doing whatever they want. So formally, we think
Speaker 1: of the CIA is using black budgets. They don't need
Speaker 1: to use black budgets. They've got USAID, you know, they
Speaker 1: just tap into that.
Speaker 2: It's fucking gross, But yeah, it was that.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: I do think that's gonna get interesting with what comes
Speaker 2: from that, right, I'm wondering if people actually they get
Speaker 2: in trouble. I don't know, but like I was looking
Speaker 2: at some shit today, I was like, God, damn, Like
Speaker 2: they're really showing you, like the string of money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for them to go after USAID, I think is
Speaker 1: a bit big step.
Speaker 2: That's that seems like again that they knew about that prior,
Speaker 2: right though they went after it so fast.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, they knew about it, and they took action,
Speaker 1: which is very rare and nothing you ever see from
Speaker 1: the Republicans, right because all this USAID is used for
Speaker 1: is destabilizing foreign governments to have you know, color revolutions.
Speaker 1: So they would check out all this money. This is
Speaker 1: what they did in Ukraine before in twenty fourteen, is
Speaker 1: they had all as USAID money flowing in there, so
Speaker 1: they get protesters on the streets in the middle of
Speaker 1: winter in Ukraine, and they kept it flowing in there
Speaker 1: so that they could have their little color revolution and
Speaker 1: use it to go to war with Russia. Once you
Speaker 1: take that off the table, you don't get any more
Speaker 1: of these proxy wars. So that's a big step. That's
Speaker 1: really positive in my opinion. But I mean, who knows
Speaker 1: what they're gonna do with the money, that's the real question, right,
Speaker 1: send it to Israel, like fuck?
Speaker 2: Come on, all right?
Speaker 1: And we got the last one. This is another one
Speaker 1: like Gareth. Yep, this is another one from Gareth. He's
Speaker 1: I think this is talking about UFOs.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: We'll see good day to you. Nick was recounting his
Speaker 1: spiritual vision experience in the shoe. It reminded me of oh,
Speaker 1: here we go. This is his Yopo experience. It was
Speaker 1: summer twenty two twenty on the farm I live, which
Speaker 1: has yurts open to tourists. CV nineteen was kicking off
Speaker 1: and like now, sadly I was the only one around
Speaker 1: who was suckered in. So when a couple from Holland arrived,
Speaker 1: the guy was a mushroom shaman who was conspiratorial aware.
Speaker 1: We got chat chatting. He asks if I wanted to
Speaker 1: do yopo. I've never heard of it, and yes I will,
Speaker 1: having done DMT once before, another gifted experience. He prepared
Speaker 1: the Rupa and yopo. I've never heard of either one
Speaker 1: of these drugs. This is like really weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is new for me.
Speaker 1: And at night I took the plant medicines Rupa first
Speaker 1: and yopo after. Rupa was cleaner, a cleanser for the yopo.
Speaker 1: The yopo sent me somewhere real. It wasn't like a hallucination,
Speaker 1: and yet it was like the DMT experience feeling for
Speaker 1: my previous time. When I closed my eyes, I was
Speaker 1: on spacetime, limbo stars around me and symbols flying at me,
Speaker 1: whizzing past, and all gone, big splashes of rainbow oil
Speaker 1: slicks appearing.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I've said that before, Yeah, oh wow, and.
Speaker 1: Then others appear in walls of color which would go.
Speaker 1: When I opened my eyes, the grass was like an
Speaker 1: esher four d painting, and then I would close my
Speaker 1: eyes back in limbo with symbols, et cetera, and then
Speaker 1: open my eyes in for esher world, all while vomiting
Speaker 1: so bad it got to a point where I thought, shit,
Speaker 1: if I don't stop soon, it's gonna get really serious. Fortunately,
Speaker 1: the yopa wore off. The shaman said he had never
Speaker 1: seen someone react like that before. Of course, it's only
Speaker 1: in the past two years since that experience that I've
Speaker 1: been able to comprehend it was, and that's only thanks
Speaker 1: to spirit guides. Even writing that that feels crazy, and
Speaker 1: yet getting used to acknowledging them rather than ignore, which
Speaker 1: is pointless, like ignoring the shock reading of the eye chain.
Speaker 1: So I was allowed to visit our periphery. Shouldn't use
Speaker 1: a stupid word, and yet it was like I was
Speaker 1: sneaked in my body. Really didn't handle it well. Put
Speaker 1: a whole new light on the realm, flat Earth and others.
Speaker 1: When you know, you know. And I write that as
Speaker 1: my other and first TMT again came to me without asking,
Speaker 1: was scared to try, and yet was shown everything is
Speaker 1: moving all true time, all through time. I sat on
Speaker 1: a hill in the Tantes devn UK. The whole of
Speaker 1: everything was alive and pulsing, the green covering the land
Speaker 1: billowed like a douvet, and the unmistakable feeling like yopo.
Speaker 1: I wasn't wasted. I was just really aware and soaking
Speaker 1: it in, stepping out of the ordinary time, seeing and
Speaker 1: feeling things. As my frequency is ratcheted, I have a
Speaker 1: great respect for medicines, whether fasting or taking, when used right,
Speaker 1: are the best language. Thank headless for your time, much
Speaker 1: love and warmth to you and yours. I'm going to
Speaker 1: look up what yopo is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never heard of these things. You know, that
Speaker 2: oil slick in the rainbow colors, that's pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so he thinks that was the the edge of
Speaker 1: our reality.
Speaker 2: They can see that's it kind of seems like that.
Speaker 1: I could see that too. That makes total sense, especially
Speaker 1: when you're talking about going crossing the Abyss. You would
Speaker 1: see the sort of rainbow oil slick as you're as
Speaker 1: you're moving across that boundary. So I've got the Wikipedia
Speaker 1: page pulled up, and it's called Anna dena Therna herregina,
Speaker 1: also known as Yopo, Jopo jopala, or the calcium tree.
Speaker 1: It's a perennial tree of the genus blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: native to the Caribbean and South America. It grows up
Speaker 1: to twenty meters tall and has thorny bark. Its flowers
Speaker 1: grow in small, pale yellow to white spherical clusters. Let's
Speaker 1: look at the uses. The wood produces very hard timber toxicity.
Speaker 1: The beans, sometimes called seeds and falling leaves, are hallucinogenic
Speaker 1: and toxic. Oh well, they said, so, they don't want
Speaker 1: to get into it too much. Entheogenic uses. Archaeological evidence
Speaker 1: shows that the beans have been used for hallucinogens for
Speaker 1: thousands of years. The oldest clear evidence of use comes
Speaker 1: from the pipes made from the puma bone found with
Speaker 1: the beans, presumably of the sister species at Inca Cueva,
Speaker 1: in the site of Hama Huaca Gorge at the edge
Speaker 1: of the Puna Juhei Province in Argentina. The pipes are
Speaker 1: found to contain the hallucinogen DMT, one of the compounds
Speaker 1: found in the beans. Radiocarbon dating of the material date
Speaker 1: to twenty two thousand, one hundred and thirty BC, suggesting
Speaker 1: that it has been used for over four thousand years.
Speaker 1: So make note everybody, yopo, it's got DMT.
Speaker 2: For a minute now, damn.
Speaker 1: Opo.
Speaker 2: They said they smoked down out of a puma bone. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a puma bone bone. I mean's who's better than
Speaker 2: you at that moment. I've never even used this ship,
Speaker 2: and I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's it didn't say anything about Rupo, but rua r
Speaker 1: u Pa. I guess you use the Rupa in conjunction
Speaker 1: with this, and then you're vomiting and seeing escer paintings
Speaker 1: and stuff you bone.
Speaker 2: It's okay, chick, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: That's really interesting. So what what stands out to me
Speaker 1: is Argentina. In on the southern part of Argentina, they
Speaker 1: have what they call Patagonia, which Patagonia means the giant
Speaker 1: foot because the first explorers to land in Patagonia said
Speaker 1: that there were twelve foot tall giants there. That's yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why it's called Patagonia because of the twelve foot
Speaker 1: tall giant. Well, what if that's related. What if there's
Speaker 1: a species that has basically evolved separately from mankind in
Speaker 1: a sort of ritualistic d MT trip with all this
Speaker 1: stuff that's growing down there that we don't even know
Speaker 1: about yopo and shit, because.
Speaker 2: Why not.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know about Have you ever
Speaker 1: heard about sassafras?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: So sassafras uh. It produces an oil called saffrol, and
Speaker 1: saffrol is essential to the making of ecstasy. So all
Speaker 1: the ecstasy comes from saffrol, which comes from sassafras. Now,
Speaker 1: what they have to do is they have to inhibit
Speaker 1: your liver so that your liver doesn't filter out the
Speaker 1: toxins from this saffral. So that's when you go on
Speaker 1: the ecstasy trip. So the Native Americans would use different
Speaker 1: types of pepper in conjunction with saffrol. The pepper would
Speaker 1: be an inhibitor for the liver, and then you use
Speaker 1: the the sassafras to to trip. So the Native Americans
Speaker 1: use this all the time. Ecstasy.
Speaker 2: Yes, I go to the stone by sassafras and fucking
Speaker 2: pepper's triples.
Speaker 1: I think you got to do it in pretty pretty
Speaker 1: There we go. She's got some Gary's got some sassafrass.
Speaker 1: He knows what you get with it. There's a there's
Speaker 1: a three stage process to how you can identify and
Speaker 1: consume any plants. First, you rub the leaves on your tips.
Speaker 2: This might be a dangerous topic. Actually, well, I mean
Speaker 2: I know this is his theory, this is how he's
Speaker 2: heard you could.
Speaker 1: Do it, well someone who isn't me. We'll go with
Speaker 1: that first. But you start by rubbing your fingertips with it.
Speaker 1: You wait fifteen minutes, and if your fingers haven't swollen
Speaker 1: up and they don't feel itchy or anything, then you
Speaker 1: move on to stage two. You take whatever you've you've
Speaker 1: rubbed and you put a little bit on your on
Speaker 1: the corner of your mouth, right and if the corner
Speaker 1: of your mouth doesn't swell up, because you know it's
Speaker 1: a different type of sud.
Speaker 2: Then you look like you got herpes.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but it's better than putting on the inside.
Speaker 1: After that, you put it on your lip and your gum,
Speaker 1: and then if it doesn't do anything from there, then
Speaker 1: you can take a bite of it. But you got
Speaker 1: to wait like fifteen minutes between each one of these
Speaker 1: phases so that you can get to the point where
Speaker 1: you can actually start.
Speaker 2: To do this.
Speaker 1: So a lot of people have this idea that you
Speaker 1: can't tell what's edible in nature from what's not edible,
Speaker 1: But if you follow these steps, you can actually start
Speaker 1: to find what is edible and what is it and
Speaker 1: just by paying attention to all of the different signs,
Speaker 1: you could find what's edible and what's not. And doing
Speaker 1: that will, you know, boost your chances of survival if
Speaker 1: you're ever in that situation big time.
Speaker 2: I like to believe there's another way of knowing if
Speaker 2: it's poisonous. Is you know, did so and so die
Speaker 2: when they ate it for the first time? You know,
Speaker 2: I like to know there's another protocol besides death right.
Speaker 1: And the ancient natives knew knew about these different protocols,
Speaker 1: and they would always be looking out for what the
Speaker 1: plants were around. So if you know, if they knew
Speaker 1: a plant that it was next to, they would watch
Speaker 1: how they interacted with each other so that they would
Speaker 1: be better aware of what those properties in that plant were.
Speaker 1: There's lots and lots of these different observational techniques that
Speaker 1: you know, ancient mankind had before you know us, and
Speaker 1: basically we're stuck trying to rediscover it. I kind of
Speaker 1: put it this way. We're aliens on the planet, were
Speaker 1: born on in a lot of ways, and we don't
Speaker 1: have that interaction. But once you start to get into this,
Speaker 1: you know, I guess DMT and all this drug culture
Speaker 1: and stuff. It's really important to keep in mind that
Speaker 1: what you're doing is you're interacting with the plants and
Speaker 1: stuff on this planet that you and your ancestors haven't
Speaker 1: done for hundreds and hundreds of years. So reconnecting with
Speaker 1: that stuff could be very harmful and dangerous if you
Speaker 1: don't take the time to start to learn the properties
Speaker 1: a little bit better.
Speaker 2: Well soon, respecting the humans weight shit died so we
Speaker 2: can live. Yeah, that's insane. I really like to believe
Speaker 2: it put down a little bit differently. I'm sure at
Speaker 2: the beginning it did for a while. Or maybe you
Speaker 2: just walked past the bushes and you saw the dead
Speaker 2: people on the floor and you're like, yeah, you just
Speaker 2: don't even eat that one.
Speaker 1: They were rubbing all that stuff on their gums, seeing
Speaker 1: what they can do to get high. I'm telling you
Speaker 1: that was a big part of it, because they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: maybe that is poisonous, but maybe it's poisonous in the
Speaker 1: best possibility.
Speaker 2: Use this leaf and numbs your gun.
Speaker 1: Right, how do you think they discovered the coca plantain?
Speaker 2: Helly way, this should makes your mouth, No hilarious. Yeah right,
Speaker 2: so yeah, let's see if this one trimps me out.
Speaker 2: It's like it kind of balled at my lips but
Speaker 2: not enough. So maybe it's like toxic to like trip
Speaker 2: you out and I kill you.
Speaker 1: This kind of reminds me of the story I heard
Speaker 1: about the dream.
Speaker 2: Giants first, the dream giant. What's the dream giant?
Speaker 1: Uh? There was an anthropologist who was studying these pygmy people.
Speaker 1: I believe it was in Indonesia, because they have pygmies
Speaker 1: in Indonesia and they have them in Africa too. He
Speaker 1: was staying with them and studying them, and what they
Speaker 1: had were what they called dream giants who would tell
Speaker 1: them what to do from their dreams, right, and so
Speaker 1: you know, he was learning the language and sort of
Speaker 1: integrating in with their society, and then he started having
Speaker 1: So these these dream giants would come to the pigmies
Speaker 1: and tell them where to settle, They would tell them
Speaker 1: what to eat, they would tell them where to go,
Speaker 1: how to build their stuff. They were like tutelary spirits.
Speaker 1: As he's staying with them, he starts having dreams with
Speaker 1: dream giants, and the dream giants start talking through him
Speaker 1: to the tribe and so people in those tribes they
Speaker 1: knew not to lie about these sort of situations, and
Speaker 1: so now he's telling them what he saw in his
Speaker 1: dreams with the dream giants, and so somehow just by
Speaker 1: being around these people, he's able to tap into the
Speaker 1: same type of ancestral memory slash you know, eggrigors that
Speaker 1: they're engaged with. Well, those dream giants have all the
Speaker 1: knowledge of the land right there at their fingertips and
Speaker 1: they're they're giving it to these people. And the dream
Speaker 1: giants have been with these people for generations. There's a
Speaker 1: powerful spiritual technology in that. Yeah, is that what the
Speaker 1: gods were?
Speaker 2: Do you think they also have pigmies done? And did
Speaker 2: they have them in Australia as well?
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think they're pigmies because pigmies are
Speaker 1: like three to four, right, So it doesn't take much
Speaker 1: for them to see a dream giant because basically everybody.
Speaker 2: That's pretty sad.
Speaker 1: Everybody. So yeah, I mean, but there's so many different
Speaker 1: instances where you can look at what the pigmies are
Speaker 1: doing and be like that must have been the way
Speaker 1: it was like for ancient man. You know, there is
Speaker 1: close to being you know, uh, primeval primitive man as
Speaker 1: possible just by looking at how they live and how
Speaker 1: they conducted themselves, you could see how important dreams were
Speaker 1: for everyday life. And I look at dreams as sort
Speaker 1: of being this kind of a world of symbols. You know,
Speaker 1: everything you do in the dream is symbolic because you're
Speaker 1: not actually doing it in reality. So this is where
Speaker 1: I believe all of our symbols came from, is through
Speaker 1: our dreams. So these dreams, as they're communicating to this
Speaker 1: world of symbols which is all around us, people didn't
Speaker 1: really see a disconnect between the physical world and the
Speaker 1: world of dreams. It would kind of be able to
Speaker 1: increase our consciousness just by having those dreams then interacting
Speaker 1: with the land that we see while we're awake, and
Speaker 1: by not sort of making these artificial barriers between the
Speaker 1: dream and being awake. We can kind of use that
Speaker 1: to our advantage. But you know, we're kind of told, well,
Speaker 1: it's just a dream. But is it, like, especially that
Speaker 1: first one we went over, was that just a dream?
Speaker 1: Or are these symbols more important than I mean, in
Speaker 1: terms of memory. If that's stuck by him and that
Speaker 1: that place is very important, maybe it's important for more
Speaker 1: than just him. Maybe it's important on a much more
Speaker 1: macro scale, you know.
Speaker 2: And Markey Mark saying dreams of role in neo death experiences.
Speaker 1: In some ways it is because we're laying there as
Speaker 1: close to death as you've been all day, and then
Speaker 1: you wake up.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's like us an anesthesia. But you're not right,
Speaker 2: So I think, you know, in.
Speaker 1: Terms of like human experience, you've got to look at
Speaker 1: dreams as being more than just your brain hallucinating while
Speaker 1: you're laying down. Have scientists really ever come to a
Speaker 1: definite determination of why we sleep in the first place,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I haven't really seen it. Maybe
Speaker 1: we can do all those functions in sleep while we're awake.
Speaker 1: There's no reason for us to lay down, close our eyes,
Speaker 1: make ourselves vulnerable to predators.
Speaker 2: You know, I actually do. I do think as little
Speaker 2: it's actually a sense of magic going on. And I
Speaker 2: think that does also imply why you can, you know,
Speaker 2: like you heal the most while you're sleeping. I do
Speaker 2: think that's that's part of side effect of you kind
Speaker 2: of having a magical experience while you're sleeping. That's what
Speaker 2: I think. Absolutely, you're let something else is coming into you.
Speaker 2: And I think, like, you know what, fixing you in
Speaker 2: a sense healing or you're connecting to something that is
Speaker 2: healing right right.
Speaker 1: I think it goes into the ancestors, it goes into
Speaker 1: these different layers of spirit, it goes into all sorts
Speaker 1: of different areas, and it's just passed over. I think
Speaker 1: it proves how important our focus is, because if you're
Speaker 1: not focused on your dreams and you stop remembering your dreams,
Speaker 1: you're missing out on, you know what, over half of
Speaker 1: your life.
Speaker 2: You know, our lives here because a third right at least.
Speaker 1: We stay up all night. We don't even think of
Speaker 1: this as being valuable anymore. We've got to be conscious,
Speaker 1: we've got to be in control, and we can't ever
Speaker 1: just let it flow. And I think that's that's part
Speaker 1: of the reason why we end up in these situations
Speaker 1: over and over again throughout histories. We're not connecting with
Speaker 1: those dream giants. They're there, they want to talk to us,
Speaker 1: But are we honoring that. I don't think so. No,
Speaker 1: So uh that was that was a good episode. All
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Speaker 1: I love but when I don't have to search for
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Speaker 2: Oh no, this is a fun show because it's like
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