WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:04.839 You see something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:13.000 What? What's going to happen? I'll take you one. 3 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:17.120 What a. 4 00:00:24.440 --> 00:00:28.879 Welcome to the Headless Giant Podcast. I've got a mail 5 00:00:28.960 --> 00:00:35.920 bag full of your occult, esoteric, paranormal slash dream stories 6 00:00:35.920 --> 00:00:38.119 and I got my co host here, Nick from the 7 00:00:38.119 --> 00:00:39.079 Occult Rejects. 8 00:00:39.200 --> 00:00:40.320 Tell them where they can find you. 9 00:00:40.439 --> 00:00:42.240 Nick, Thank you very much for having me on again. 10 00:00:42.359 --> 00:00:45.000 Looking forward to this. Yes, the Occult Rejects. That is 11 00:00:45.039 --> 00:00:49.479 on old major podcasts and bit shoot Rumble in YouTube 12 00:00:49.520 --> 00:00:51.320 and if you like hell List's stuff, you'll see him 13 00:00:51.320 --> 00:00:53.719 on there pretty often, so go check it out. 14 00:00:55.119 --> 00:00:57.200 We had a wild conversation last night. 15 00:00:57.280 --> 00:00:59.520 Oh yeah, yeah, that dude. That dude's crazy. That dude's 16 00:00:59.520 --> 00:01:02.000 bumped out. I had him off more for like entertainment. 17 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:06.239 No, it's good. I mean yeah, at some insights, it 18 00:01:06.280 --> 00:01:12.439 seems like there's an old modus operandi of how they 19 00:01:12.920 --> 00:01:17.200 see the world from these lodge perspectives, you know what 20 00:01:17.239 --> 00:01:17.879 I'm talking about. 21 00:01:17.959 --> 00:01:19.840 It's like, you know, it kind of almost still makes 22 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:21.799 you narrow minded in a sense. I think that's just 23 00:01:21.840 --> 00:01:24.959 my opinion, and I'm not gonna go like, you know nothing. 24 00:01:25.120 --> 00:01:27.239 I don't think Leon's making it up and for him 25 00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:29.200 to totally disregard everything he said. I was just like, 26 00:01:29.239 --> 00:01:31.519 all right, this is the type of dude I'm dealing with. 27 00:01:31.560 --> 00:01:34.079 He doesn't really he'll be theas in magic, but doesn't 28 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:34.680 believe in that. 29 00:01:35.000 --> 00:01:40.280 Like, yeah, I think it's the lon Milo Duquet perspective. 30 00:01:40.439 --> 00:01:45.040 It's all psychologists. You don't know how far your psychology extends. 31 00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:47.359 But at the same time, it's like, dude, there's so 32 00:01:47.560 --> 00:01:50.239 much stuff out there that you could be learning and using, 33 00:01:51.400 --> 00:01:53.719 but it's sort of the old way of you know, 34 00:01:53.920 --> 00:01:58.400 Alistair Crowley and Carl Jung and everything is psychology. It's 35 00:01:58.439 --> 00:02:02.040 like we got to into the parapsychology, you know. Yeah, 36 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:07.920 all right, So I'm just tweeting this out real quick. 37 00:02:08.039 --> 00:02:10.800 Oh yeah, nice. Yeah, then I'll u I should tweet 38 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:13.039 that out myself right now too. Myself. 39 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:16.439 We got a bunch of responses, But if you guys 40 00:02:16.479 --> 00:02:19.400 want to get your stories out there, you just email 41 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:24.240 me at Headless Giant Podcast at gmail dot com and 42 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:28.759 I'll read your stories. So this first one, I'm going 43 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:31.199 in most recent order, So I'm gonna I got a 44 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:32.879 few to get through to get to yours. If you're 45 00:02:32.919 --> 00:02:36.360 looking for it. This is from Joe Ferguson. So I 46 00:02:36.400 --> 00:02:39.599 had this dream twenty plus years ago. First and foremost, 47 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:43.080 I mean no disrespect to anyone or their specific beliefs, 48 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:44.960 But this is my dream, and this is how it 49 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:47.960 played out, and it has always stuck with me, and 50 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:51.240 I remember it very vividly. In the dream, I had 51 00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:54.159 come to this apartment complex kind of at the edge 52 00:02:54.199 --> 00:02:56.719 of the city. I couldn't tell you what city or 53 00:02:56.759 --> 00:03:00.280 even why I had gone to this apartment complex. I 54 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:02.960 arrived there were a bunch of Muslim women there and 55 00:03:03.000 --> 00:03:06.080 their children. After taking a few people, I find out 56 00:03:06.159 --> 00:03:08.280 this is a place where Muslim women and their children 57 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:11.560 can go if they have been accused of adultery or 58 00:03:11.719 --> 00:03:16.159 other sin that would cause them to be exiled. I 59 00:03:16.159 --> 00:03:19.159 don't know if such a place exists. And I arrived 60 00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:22.120 on a very special day. They were making a pilgrimage 61 00:03:22.120 --> 00:03:24.560 and I was invited to go with. So we set 62 00:03:24.599 --> 00:03:26.879 out on a walk and then we came to this mesa. 63 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:29.879 And after we climb the mesa, there is a pond 64 00:03:30.280 --> 00:03:32.719 that is about knee deep, and the pond is tons 65 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:37.319 of fish swimming around. Also, horses are galloping and splashing 66 00:03:37.360 --> 00:03:40.000 through the water. I'm quite taken aback by all this, 67 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:43.000 and I don't realize that something is happening above me 68 00:03:43.639 --> 00:03:46.560 until I hear all the women crying and chanting. I 69 00:03:46.599 --> 00:03:49.159 look around and the women are all staring up. And 70 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:51.280 when I look up, there is an eclipse happening. 71 00:03:51.879 --> 00:03:57.719 Oh okay, right, And as the moon is in alignment 72 00:03:57.759 --> 00:03:58.759 with the sun, a. 73 00:03:58.759 --> 00:04:02.280 Vision of Mary peers and then I wake up. I've 74 00:04:02.319 --> 00:04:05.360 always loved the myth and symbolism, so I know a 75 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:08.520 lot of the symbolism is goddess related, and I am 76 00:04:08.560 --> 00:04:12.599 big on the divine feminine getting her time to shine. 77 00:04:12.639 --> 00:04:16.319 But this dream and one other are really the only 78 00:04:16.399 --> 00:04:20.000 dreams I can remember. But this is one especially take 79 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:25.000 care and hope you guys enjoy. So we got the horses. 80 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:31.160 Wish we got the Muslim women. Now, what I'm hearing 81 00:04:31.199 --> 00:04:33.160 when I when I hear the Muslim women is I'm 82 00:04:33.199 --> 00:04:34.360 hearing cloaked figures. 83 00:04:35.439 --> 00:04:37.160 Here's what I would get here, Just like the eyes, 84 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:40.279 the eyes kind of showing. We're like, yeah, that's the 85 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:43.439 whole thing that they wear. Right, It's interesting how you 86 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:45.399 got that. Again, if the last week was kind of 87 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:47.519 like an Arabic you know, Muslims time. 88 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:51.959 It's interesting. He doesn't sound like his word usage doesn't 89 00:04:52.000 --> 00:04:57.079 sound particularly Arabic, but I think that it's the cloaked 90 00:04:57.519 --> 00:05:02.120 part that's interesting. And also it's like he arrives at 91 00:05:02.120 --> 00:05:05.519 a place of shame, right, and then they're going to 92 00:05:05.560 --> 00:05:09.480 this mesa, which is like a place of renewal, and 93 00:05:09.519 --> 00:05:11.959 I think that the women there, it reminds me of 94 00:05:11.959 --> 00:05:14.319 the Muses. That's what I was going for, Like the 95 00:05:14.439 --> 00:05:17.360 Muses were sort of taking him to this place of renewal, 96 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:21.360 and he thought it was because of their crimes or 97 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:24.839 their you know, adultery or whatever, but really it could 98 00:05:24.879 --> 00:05:27.839 have to do with him sort of getting back in 99 00:05:27.959 --> 00:05:31.319 touch with that divine, feminine nature. And then you've got 100 00:05:31.319 --> 00:05:34.879 the union of the Sun and the Moon coming together 101 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:38.519 at this place. What else What's also interesting to me 102 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:42.720 is the specifically, right after he sees the horses splashing 103 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:45.879 around in the water, he sees the sun and the 104 00:05:45.879 --> 00:05:48.920 moon going into conjunction. And in the Orphic Hymn to 105 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:55.680 the Moon, they call the Moon the lover of horses. So, 106 00:05:56.439 --> 00:06:00.399 I mean, you know, it's weird because it fits. Nobody 107 00:06:00.480 --> 00:06:03.000 really knows why. It's like, so the moon loves horses. 108 00:06:03.279 --> 00:06:05.759 I can understand that that makes perfect sense, but I 109 00:06:05.800 --> 00:06:09.800 have no idea why. You know, there's a lot of 110 00:06:09.800 --> 00:06:13.399 stuff like that with the Greek symbolism. It's like they're 111 00:06:13.480 --> 00:06:16.800 explaining something to me that I understand instinctually, but I 112 00:06:16.839 --> 00:06:20.879 can't explain it rationally. And I think this is one 113 00:06:20.920 --> 00:06:24.519 of those stories where it's like you've got these different images, 114 00:06:24.839 --> 00:06:28.959 the fish, the horses, this pond on top of a mesa. 115 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:33.560 It makes sense, but it doesn't make sense rationally. Like 116 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:37.199 there's some sort of intuitive type thing going on there, 117 00:06:37.199 --> 00:06:39.079 and I think it has to do with the reflection 118 00:06:39.800 --> 00:06:45.240 of the sky in the pond, right, So he hears 119 00:06:45.279 --> 00:06:49.079 them crying and chanting, looks up, but at the same 120 00:06:49.079 --> 00:06:53.639 time he's looking up, that eclipse is happening in the 121 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:58.240 water in the reflection. So if he's talking about the 122 00:06:58.240 --> 00:07:02.199 goddess or this Mary, that would be sort of in 123 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:06.040 conjunction with what's going on in the sky. So it's 124 00:07:06.160 --> 00:07:10.319 like this, you know, Hinos Gambos again, like this divine 125 00:07:10.959 --> 00:07:15.120 union between earth and sky, which brings about this sort 126 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:20.079 of Marian apparition. And I think that's it's probably a 127 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:22.920 good place to connect with that, that whole thing and 128 00:07:22.959 --> 00:07:25.319 this is one of those symbols that you know, it 129 00:07:25.439 --> 00:07:28.199 sticks with you because there's a lot more you can 130 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:31.560 get out of it. And just by exploring these symbols 131 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:33.920 and finding out what they mean to other people, you 132 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:37.600 can really tap into that that kind of ancestral memory 133 00:07:37.680 --> 00:07:39.160 or that ancestral consciousness. 134 00:07:40.439 --> 00:07:42.439 It's actually really like even like if I wanted to 135 00:07:42.439 --> 00:07:45.759 look at this guy's dream ca holistically, I mean, and 136 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:48.639 I'm sure you know it didn't happen to be that 137 00:07:48.680 --> 00:07:51.079 way purposely, but I mean, if you're staw looking at 138 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:54.800 like I just wanny, you know, mention the horses, and 139 00:07:54.879 --> 00:07:57.839 like they made me think of the chariot, and the 140 00:07:57.920 --> 00:08:00.240 chariot does go from like a wor ta binah, like 141 00:08:00.360 --> 00:08:03.120 then the lovers go from Tiffreth to Banas. Like you 142 00:08:03.160 --> 00:08:05.639 even have like kind of those two ideas like parallel 143 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:08.199 to each other running to the same sphere. It was 144 00:08:08.279 --> 00:08:10.000 just like it's just interesting in like certain things that 145 00:08:10.040 --> 00:08:13.000 you said, even like the stream or the fish. The 146 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:15.800 fish is even associated with like a tifferent in sense. 147 00:08:17.240 --> 00:08:18.560 It's just it's just a lot of a lot of 148 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:21.800 those same symbols and ideas are going to the same area. 149 00:08:21.959 --> 00:08:23.160 It's just very weird. 150 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:26.600 Right well, the sun and the moon in conjunction right 151 00:08:26.600 --> 00:08:28.959 above tiffreath and you sew. You know, that's sort of 152 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:31.839 like the whole sort of centering of that middle pillar, 153 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:35.679 you know. Yeah, And you know, if I was going 154 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:38.320 to give you any advice there, I think going back 155 00:08:38.320 --> 00:08:42.399 to that place before a ritual or during a meditation 156 00:08:42.919 --> 00:08:46.159 would be highly beneficial to you know, start to receive 157 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:49.960 the images from the water or start to tap into 158 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:54.960 some of that ancestral memory or instinctual memory, a little 159 00:08:55.000 --> 00:08:57.559 bit of intuition there too. So I think you can 160 00:08:57.639 --> 00:09:03.960 really make a good starting point for rituals and meditations 161 00:09:04.039 --> 00:09:07.240 from that that environment that your that your mind showed you. 162 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:13.559 So let's see. Yeah, that was the first one. This 163 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:21.799 one is a paranormal story. Nice cheese caper, Hey, headless. 164 00:09:21.879 --> 00:09:23.720 I hope I'm not too late to write you something. 165 00:09:23.759 --> 00:09:26.879 I've had several strange, unexplainable things happened to me over 166 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:29.320 the years, but this one is stuck with me. My 167 00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:34.039 ex was suffering with congestive heart failure renal failure and 168 00:09:34.159 --> 00:09:37.919 was pretty much stuck in bed. I was working and 169 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:40.879 gone from the house a lot to support us, but 170 00:09:40.960 --> 00:09:43.240 when I was home and spending time with him. He 171 00:09:43.279 --> 00:09:46.519 would say, they are coming for me. I could feel them, 172 00:09:47.159 --> 00:09:50.320 but now I am seeing them. I would inquire about 173 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:53.799 what he meant, and he said there were beings in 174 00:09:53.879 --> 00:09:57.240 the house. I didn't think much of it, because, to 175 00:09:57.240 --> 00:10:00.320 be honest, he had been a heavy drug user all 176 00:10:00.360 --> 00:10:02.799 his life and that kind of talk was pretty normal 177 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:06.000 coming from him. One night, I came home from work 178 00:10:06.320 --> 00:10:09.080 and was just sitting in the bed talking to him. 179 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:11.600 I casually glanced at the door and I saw two 180 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:15.559 shadow figures moving very quickly across the other side of 181 00:10:15.600 --> 00:10:18.840 the doorframe. As I was talking to him, I looked 182 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:22.000 back at him and quickly looked back at the door 183 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:24.519 because it looked like there was another person or person's 184 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:28.440 in the house. I said nothing, just went to staring 185 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:31.440 at the doorway. He kind of smiled and said, you 186 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:35.679 can see them too, can't you? I exclaimed, is that 187 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:38.840 what you've been talking about? He said, yes, of course 188 00:10:39.639 --> 00:10:43.159 I saw them. It was two always two shadows, two 189 00:10:43.240 --> 00:10:46.279 or more times after that incident, he died a few 190 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:49.759 weeks later. It always made me wonder because I have 191 00:10:49.879 --> 00:10:52.840 been around dying people before, but this man was a 192 00:10:52.879 --> 00:10:56.080 really terrible person and did some horrible things in his life. 193 00:10:56.200 --> 00:10:58.559 I guess they really were coming to get them. Thank 194 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:00.639 you for your time. I enjoy your show. I love 195 00:11:00.679 --> 00:11:03.480 seeing you on the Occult Rejects. That was from the NESSA. 196 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:13.720 Thank you very much. Uh, it's issues like this are 197 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:18.559 I think? I mean, like, yeah, we got the comment right, 198 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:19.639 there's me. 199 00:11:20.279 --> 00:11:21.240 I was gonna break that off. 200 00:11:23.120 --> 00:11:27.200 It's always math. The shadow people follow people around on Math. 201 00:11:27.639 --> 00:11:31.039 That that and I've heard Crackside Coast's motherfuckers things. People 202 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:34.200 are in trees and shit not watching them right. 203 00:11:34.960 --> 00:11:40.639 For some reason, the math always produces shadow people and 204 00:11:41.440 --> 00:11:44.399 they're hungry. Man, those are hungry ghosts. When it comes 205 00:11:44.440 --> 00:11:47.039 to like, on a scale of one to ten, I'd 206 00:11:47.080 --> 00:11:50.559 say probably the stories I've heard the shadow people are 207 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:54.480 are out most for something. They're hungry, they're looking for it. 208 00:11:54.679 --> 00:11:54.840 You know. 209 00:11:55.799 --> 00:11:58.399 Imagine that's like some wild side effect that comes from 210 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:02.080 smoking myth because the person's that creating it. 211 00:12:02.200 --> 00:12:05.039 Absolutely could be it could be far of your soul too. 212 00:12:05.120 --> 00:12:07.120 Yeah, it's like almost like a pultegeist, but it's like 213 00:12:07.279 --> 00:12:08.399 spun on by a method. 214 00:12:10.600 --> 00:12:14.200 Well, the Egyptians believe that there were like nine layers 215 00:12:14.279 --> 00:12:17.679 to a soul. I believe. And so when you're so 216 00:12:17.919 --> 00:12:20.159 heavily involved in drug use and all the rest of 217 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:23.080 the crap that you've done in your life to kind 218 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:26.879 of separate out these different parts of your personality, those 219 00:12:27.080 --> 00:12:30.279 parts of your soul could spin off too, and they 220 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:32.320 wouldn't be very happy about it. This is a big 221 00:12:32.440 --> 00:12:35.519 problem when it comes to like exorcism. It's like, what 222 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:39.840 are you actually getting rid of? Shouldn't you be interested 223 00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:43.279 more on like integrating that shadow self instead of just 224 00:12:43.440 --> 00:12:46.399 like throwing it out there and hoping it goes away. 225 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:48.840 I mean, there's a lot I can say about, you know, 226 00:12:49.120 --> 00:12:52.240 Christian exorcism, but at this point, when you're seeing the 227 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:57.879 shadow people that the drug user has been seeing, you 228 00:12:58.039 --> 00:13:02.480 can pretty well be so that something really strange is happening, 229 00:13:02.559 --> 00:13:04.720 you know. But yeah, I mean that guy picked it 230 00:13:04.759 --> 00:13:10.120 out right there, clumb Meth buddies. I think it's interesting 231 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:14.200 that it's the two. You know, they don't really like 232 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:18.600 to travel alone, and if you think about the underworld 233 00:13:18.799 --> 00:13:22.480 or or the afterlife, it makes sense why these beings 234 00:13:22.519 --> 00:13:24.000 would never want to be low. It can be a 235 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:26.960 really lonely place, you know. So the idea that there 236 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:31.720 would be two coming after this guy. It seems pretty 237 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:34.759 pretty logical, especially if they're hanging around all the time 238 00:13:34.840 --> 00:13:39.039 sort of doing surveillance and whatever. But they were definitely 239 00:13:39.080 --> 00:13:41.440 coming for a soul that was kind of creepy. 240 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:43.000 It was the twins on the chariot. 241 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:51.879 There you go, that's the area. So this one is 242 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:57.240 from Alice Alan Morrison. I woke up and it was 243 00:13:57.279 --> 00:13:59.679 a beautiful day. I was drinking my coffee out of 244 00:13:59.720 --> 00:14:02.039 the I said to myself, I'm going to go to 245 00:14:02.120 --> 00:14:04.159 the mounds. This is the guy who was posting those 246 00:14:04.200 --> 00:14:05.200 mound pictures for us. 247 00:14:05.399 --> 00:14:08.840 Oh shit, thank you, yeah, thank you. 248 00:14:10.600 --> 00:14:12.519 I'm going to go to the mounds. Today is the day. 249 00:14:12.639 --> 00:14:15.639 Even though I have lived in Western Tennessee my whole life, 250 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:18.200 I have never been to the Pinson Mounds, or so 251 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:21.559 I thought. I quickly showered and got ready. I usually 252 00:14:21.639 --> 00:14:24.039 listened to podcasts while driving, but for some reason I 253 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:26.879 decided to listen to music. It didn't take long before 254 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:32.759 I picked up boards of Canada's Geo Gotti. I haven't 255 00:14:32.960 --> 00:14:36.080 heard of that one. I haven't heard it in a 256 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:39.639 really long time. It seemed the perfect for my headspace. 257 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:42.600 I was on the third day of fasting and this 258 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:46.799 popped a couple herbal gummies. The drive started out great. 259 00:14:47.159 --> 00:14:49.679 About thirty minutes away from the mounds, when I was 260 00:14:49.840 --> 00:14:54.840 in unfamiliar territory, it hit I have been here before. 261 00:14:55.279 --> 00:14:58.480 The closer I got, the more I recognize. The anxiety 262 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:01.399 kept growing. As I started to freak out. I knew 263 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:05.360 it was happening again. I started calling out landmarks to 264 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:08.639 myself before I got to them, and I was right 265 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:13.039 every time that it hit me. When I was here before, 266 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:17.799 it was nighttime. Then a voice that seemed to come 267 00:15:17.840 --> 00:15:22.399 from my chest that is different from my internal dialogue, said, 268 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:25.320 you have been here before, and it wasn't a dream. 269 00:15:25.679 --> 00:15:29.480 You were astral projecting. It felt like my mind cracked. 270 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:32.919 Now it's important to talk about the time of my 271 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:36.240 life I was having these dreams quote unquote that kept 272 00:15:36.759 --> 00:15:40.080 triggering these feelings. In the mid nineties, I was a 273 00:15:40.200 --> 00:15:43.720 heroin addict. Back to the drugs again. It separates different 274 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:46.240 parts of your soul. Man, It's that simple. I think 275 00:15:46.279 --> 00:15:47.960 it has a lot more to do with the desire 276 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:52.039 than the chemical itself. It's that constant desire for drugs 277 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:57.159 that really starts to separate out these pieces. In the 278 00:15:57.399 --> 00:15:59.600 mid nineties, when I was a heroin addict. I was 279 00:15:59.759 --> 00:16:03.240 very into Robert Anton Wilson at the time. I remember 280 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:08.240 being fascinated with the concept of twilight sleep and began experimenting. 281 00:16:08.679 --> 00:16:12.720 I would do transcendental meditation on heroin, sometimes with psychedelics. 282 00:16:13.039 --> 00:16:16.519 I definitely had out of body experiences. Hell, I've probably 283 00:16:16.639 --> 00:16:19.759 died more times than people are supposed to. I think 284 00:16:20.080 --> 00:16:22.639 what was happening was I was leaving my body in 285 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:28.360 my sleep. From what I have read tonight, opiate suppressed 286 00:16:28.399 --> 00:16:31.600 the dream state, so it seems it could be a possibility. 287 00:16:32.399 --> 00:16:34.799 I mentioned the Boards of Canada because I listened to 288 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:37.799 them a lot in this period. I felt it may 289 00:16:37.919 --> 00:16:41.279 have helped with the revelation. I do not recommend people 290 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:43.279 try this. Heroin will make you a slave, and it 291 00:16:43.399 --> 00:16:46.960 is not worth it for a chance for some supernatural experiences. 292 00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:51.519 You may not even have. None of my user friends 293 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:54.080 that are still alive had these experiences. I would not 294 00:16:54.120 --> 00:16:56.480 wish heroin addiction on my worst enemy. It's the most 295 00:16:56.519 --> 00:16:59.159 evil thing I have ever experienced. I lost part of 296 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:02.960 myself that I will never get back again, separating out 297 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:08.119 the parts of the soul. I've been off opiates now 298 00:17:08.240 --> 00:17:10.599 for twenty three years. Wow, twenty three. 299 00:17:11.079 --> 00:17:11.559 That's great. 300 00:17:12.359 --> 00:17:17.079 That is awesome. Now why I was unknowingly ash projecting 301 00:17:17.119 --> 00:17:21.559 to the mounds, that's another mystery to solve. Well, like 302 00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:25.519 you said, it suppresses the dream state, but it doesn't 303 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:30.720 suppress the you know, astral body's will to get outside 304 00:17:30.759 --> 00:17:34.319 of the body, you know, I mean when you're closer 305 00:17:34.400 --> 00:17:40.200 to death in those states popping out. Yeah, And he 306 00:17:40.359 --> 00:17:42.559 was talking about being on a three day fast, which 307 00:17:42.599 --> 00:17:47.039 I think probably prompted him to go back to the mounds. 308 00:17:47.559 --> 00:17:49.440 I think there's kind of well, I mean, there are 309 00:17:49.680 --> 00:17:53.799 magnetic anomalies around these mound sites and these petroglyphs and 310 00:17:53.880 --> 00:17:59.079 around you know, the megaliths, right, so it wouldn't seem 311 00:17:59.160 --> 00:18:02.839 too uncommon that your soul or your spirit body would 312 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:05.920 be drawn to these places that have a lot of 313 00:18:06.079 --> 00:18:11.079 these magnetic anomalies. It brings a lot of focus to them. 314 00:18:11.480 --> 00:18:13.440 So for him to go out to these mounds and 315 00:18:13.519 --> 00:18:18.519 take pictures of them while fasting pretty similar situation. For 316 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:20.839 him to be drawn to these mounds while on heroin, 317 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:24.119 you know, it's sort of the same kind of thing. 318 00:18:24.519 --> 00:18:31.000 You're bringing your body into an altered state of altered state, right, 319 00:18:31.279 --> 00:18:33.880 and then you're drawn back to the place where you 320 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:36.240 were at before when you're in that altered state. So 321 00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:40.119 it's interesting to me that he was traveling along the 322 00:18:40.279 --> 00:18:43.200 road in his astral body. That's how he was picking 323 00:18:43.279 --> 00:18:49.480 out the different landmarks, you know, So he might have 324 00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:51.240 been on the road in his astral body as well 325 00:18:51.279 --> 00:18:52.079 as in his car. 326 00:18:54.400 --> 00:19:07.400 What's your take, Uh, they still travel? I don't know. 327 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:10.039 I mean there has been times and I think I 328 00:19:10.160 --> 00:19:11.400 you know, I kind of the thing is that we're 329 00:19:11.440 --> 00:19:13.400 kind of referring back to something that we've said before. 330 00:19:13.480 --> 00:19:16.319 But there has been times where it's like when I've 331 00:19:16.400 --> 00:19:20.480 been extremely sick and like I do feel like I 332 00:19:21.680 --> 00:19:24.440 went somewhere for like a few seconds that wasn't dreaming, 333 00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:26.920 but somewhere else because it seems weird and almost seems 334 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:30.200 like it has an atmosphere to it in itself, you know. 335 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:33.400 And that has always been like an extreme high fevers 336 00:19:35.559 --> 00:19:37.319 put it that way. I've had that happen to me. 337 00:19:37.720 --> 00:19:39.720 It's almost like that Pink Floyd shit, you know, I 338 00:19:39.799 --> 00:19:41.759 had a fucking fever in hand, felt like two balloons. 339 00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:45.359 But like that has happened to me. Yeah, I've heard 340 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:47.119 that happen to other people. Too. As a child, you know, 341 00:19:47.200 --> 00:19:48.920 you'll have a high fever, you'll be sick, and like 342 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:51.279 you almost have like hallucinations or you experience these like 343 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:53.839 you know, weird things. But yeah, that has There has 344 00:19:53.880 --> 00:19:55.680 been a few times where I have thought that I've asked, 345 00:19:55.680 --> 00:19:57.319 will traveled, you know, And again I don't know if 346 00:19:57.359 --> 00:19:59.519 that's because you know, close to death, but I mean 347 00:19:59.519 --> 00:20:01.680 there is something going on in your body that's not 348 00:20:01.839 --> 00:20:02.279 good either. 349 00:20:04.400 --> 00:20:06.640 Well, I think it's the altered state. I had a 350 00:20:06.920 --> 00:20:09.240 friend of mine in college who would do astral travels 351 00:20:09.240 --> 00:20:11.039 all the time, and he would have to stay up 352 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:15.759 for three days straight now sleep and then you know, 353 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:18.680 go into a meditation and then boom outside of his 354 00:20:18.799 --> 00:20:21.960 body pretty quickly. I think that altered state. Once you 355 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:25.880 can master going into and outside of your body in 356 00:20:26.079 --> 00:20:28.720 that altered state, it makes it a lot easier when 357 00:20:28.759 --> 00:20:31.599 you're not altering the state. You know, it's it's kind 358 00:20:31.640 --> 00:20:33.960 of a muscle. You gotta work the muscle out so 359 00:20:34.079 --> 00:20:36.200 that you can get back to that thing. But it's 360 00:20:36.279 --> 00:20:40.640 interesting that it would be these mound sites because I 361 00:20:40.759 --> 00:20:46.440 think right and the mounds wouldn't have survived in the 362 00:20:46.599 --> 00:20:49.680 environments where they made them without the layering effect, So 363 00:20:49.799 --> 00:20:52.920 they have to layer different materials all the way up 364 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:55.240 the mound so that they can get that thing to 365 00:20:55.359 --> 00:20:57.599 stay there and not just fall apart. So there are 366 00:20:57.799 --> 00:21:00.400 different layers of material. I think it's holding up to 367 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:05.319 different charges as well. I mean, you've got the oregon factor, right, 368 00:21:05.519 --> 00:21:08.480 so you've got different minerals at different layers and how 369 00:21:08.519 --> 00:21:11.440 they interact with each other. That's kind of how oregone works, 370 00:21:11.480 --> 00:21:14.720 where you've got the organics and the non organic sort 371 00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:17.480 of stacked on top of each other. I wonder if 372 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:20.839 that's a factor in how they build these things. They 373 00:21:20.880 --> 00:21:22.920 could be giant oregone accumulators. 374 00:21:25.160 --> 00:21:28.559 That could be fucking crazy stuff right there. Indeed, you 375 00:21:28.640 --> 00:21:30.119 know something else I was thinking too, Like you know, 376 00:21:30.559 --> 00:21:31.920 not to go back to what I was saying earlier, 377 00:21:31.960 --> 00:21:33.920 but like you know, I even mentioned high fevers, and 378 00:21:33.920 --> 00:21:35.519 it is interesting that, like you know, you add heat, 379 00:21:35.559 --> 00:21:38.920 the shit it rises. Yeah, it sounds silly, but like 380 00:21:39.039 --> 00:21:41.759 you know, I don't know, I've always had high temperatures 381 00:21:41.759 --> 00:21:43.920 when I've had these weird experiences that I thought, like 382 00:21:43.960 --> 00:21:45.160 I disconnected from myself. 383 00:21:46.599 --> 00:21:51.599 Well, it's fairly common in the in the Shamanic tradition 384 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:56.440 to train a child who's had a life threatening illness 385 00:21:56.640 --> 00:21:59.799 very early on in their life to be a shaman 386 00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:07.039 because of the fact that they've survived and having that 387 00:22:07.240 --> 00:22:11.119 survival of those you know, high fevers, high temperatures, all 388 00:22:11.160 --> 00:22:13.920 the rest of that would cause the body to leave, 389 00:22:14.440 --> 00:22:16.839 the astral body to leave and then come back. So 390 00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:19.960 there is that as a factor too with all these sicknesses. 391 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:23.599 I did not know that at all. 392 00:22:26.160 --> 00:22:32.240 So we've got another one here. Odd Experiences by Gabriel Guzman. Hello, 393 00:22:32.440 --> 00:22:35.640 my name is Gabriel Guzman. I've been a longtime viewer 394 00:22:35.680 --> 00:22:38.160 of Occult Rejects and I've talked about some of these 395 00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:41.119 experiences on the Element server a few years ago. Man, 396 00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:42.319 this guy's an old time Yeah. 397 00:22:42.559 --> 00:22:46.160 Soon as I heard Element, I was like, whoa, that's awesome, 398 00:22:46.240 --> 00:22:46.960 thank you, thank you. 399 00:22:48.319 --> 00:22:50.680 If you want more detail on anything, just to ask. 400 00:22:50.960 --> 00:22:54.680 But I've had an ND eight years ago when I 401 00:22:54.799 --> 00:22:58.720