Speaker 1: You know a world of deceit, Telling the truth is
Speaker 1: a revolutionary act. It's the David Knight Show. As the
Speaker 1: clock strikes thirteen, it's Friday, the twenty seventh of February.
Speaker 1: You're of our Lord, twenty twenty six. Well, today we're
Speaker 1: going to have a couple of interviews. I think you're
Speaker 1: going to find really informative. We have one person who's
Speaker 1: going to share his cancer story. He has now fifty
Speaker 1: two years, pass the point they said he'd be dead.
Speaker 1: I think you're going to find it very enlightening, very hopeful.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, he's got an acronym for
Speaker 1: what he does, hope helping other people escape escape the
Speaker 1: kind of medieval treatment that we have in the cancer community.
Speaker 1: That's here. But we're also going to be talking about
Speaker 1: another thing that a lot of people will dismiss as medieval.
Speaker 1: I want to finish up what I began yesterday in
Speaker 1: terms of talking about the satanic singularity that we see
Speaker 1: coming towards us. And of course it's all the different
Speaker 1: aspects of the Epstein pedophile satanic ritual child abuse that's there,
Speaker 1: the Pharmacheea of the sorcery, the push towards using these
Speaker 1: hallucinogenic drugs that have always been throughout millennia have been
Speaker 1: used as a way to contact your cult. And of
Speaker 1: course the way the CIA has used this and artichoke
Speaker 1: and mk ultra and many other things. There's all these
Speaker 1: different threads seem to be coming together, and Trump administration
Speaker 1: seems to be ready to do this through so called disclosure. Well,
Speaker 1: let's begin with that. I was talking about this yesterday
Speaker 1: and I ran out of time, and there's a lot
Speaker 1: more that I really wanted to say, didn't get a
Speaker 1: chance to cover it. And I had just started talking
Speaker 1: about DMT, which, in case you don't know what that is,
Speaker 1: it's something that has been used for a very long
Speaker 1: time in the Amazon, and they have used it for
Speaker 1: psychedelic rituals part of religions there, and this is something
Speaker 1: that we have seen used for thousands of years. Of course,
Speaker 1: the Bible refers to that as pharmakia, translated as sorcery.
Speaker 1: I used to refer to that all the time as
Speaker 1: big Pharma Pharmakia because talked about how the biggest men
Speaker 1: on earth and in terms of money and importance and
Speaker 1: things like that, would not repent of their murders and
Speaker 1: other things, and I think it also ties into that.
Speaker 1: But this is quite literally what was being talked about
Speaker 1: in the Bible, and now it is being there's an
Speaker 1: attempt to mainstream it. It's an attempt that is coming
Speaker 1: multiple places from government officials and politicians. It's not just
Speaker 1: a CIA using it for their own occultic program. So
Speaker 1: these are politicians that are using it now, and just
Speaker 1: to give you an idea of DMT, they're now pushing
Speaker 1: it as a promising therapy for depression. And you've got
Speaker 1: some pharmaceutical companies that are getting on board to make
Speaker 1: a lot of money out of it. If you look
Speaker 1: it up, you will find a lot of people talking
Speaker 1: about mechanical elves and other beings that they come in
Speaker 1: contact with when they take DMT. And I know someone
Speaker 1: who told me that he took it and he said
Speaker 1: it's the scariest thing he ever had happened to him
Speaker 1: in his life, and he gets really wide eyed when
Speaker 1: he starts to talk about it. There are common descriptions
Speaker 1: of what people come across. Here's an example of this,
Speaker 1: and this is a book that's written by somebody who
Speaker 1: actually likes it and is pushing it. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of people who are very excited about They even call
Speaker 1: themselves on them psychonots and saying that they want they're
Speaker 1: like astronauts who are traveling but into a different dimension,
Speaker 1: and they want to share their experiences with these beings
Speaker 1: that they come in contact with. And so here's this
Speaker 1: one book, The Illustrated Field Guide to DMT Entities, machine Els, tricksters,
Speaker 1: teachers and other inter dimensional beings. And there's a quote
Speaker 1: from author of another book that's called DMT The Spirit Molecule,
Speaker 1: Richard Straussman, who is the author of that is an MD.
Speaker 1: He said, the psychedelic version of fantastic beasts and where
Speaker 1: to find them. We know where to find them, and
Speaker 1: now we know what to expect. New species will be discovered.
Speaker 1: Others may die out, but this compendium of DMT beings
Speaker 1: provides a most exhaustive snapshot of our days varieties. Another
Speaker 1: review from the author of another book about the same
Speaker 1: type of thing, The Visionary of the Mysterious Origins of
Speaker 1: Human Consciousness. He writes, the DMT experience is fundamentally about
Speaker 1: exploring and traveling to unknown or forgotten realms, realms that
Speaker 1: are unutterably strange and yet strangely familiar. These realms are
Speaker 1: inhabited by intelligent beings with much to teach. Like any
Speaker 1: challenging and perhaps even perilous journey, it's important to prepare
Speaker 1: and to be willing to learn from the experiences and
Speaker 1: the hard won knowledge of others. Another review, DMT is
Speaker 1: fascinating for many reasons, but not the least because it
Speaker 1: seems to provide ready access to hyperdimensional realm populated by
Speaker 1: a vast collection of non human, intelligent, apparently independent entities.
Speaker 1: Often these entities seem to have a message or many
Speaker 1: messages for our specie or an individual psychoonot that are
Speaker 1: weighted with portent. They definitely seem to have a classification
Speaker 1: system and characteristics that are familiar to many psychedelic voyagers.
Speaker 1: And then one more, I'll give you here the Demonic,
Speaker 1: from the demonic to the divine. This is the most beautiful, comprehensive,
Speaker 1: and I dare say, indispensable guide to the resident fauna
Speaker 1: of the DMT realm. You won't want to venture into
Speaker 1: the hy hyperdimensional hinter lens without this field guide in
Speaker 1: your back pocket. I imagine when somebody's on a trip
Speaker 1: of this kind of stuff, you're not going to be
Speaker 1: pulling on a book to read it. This guy is
Speaker 1: the author of Alien information Theory and reality switch Technologies,
Speaker 1: The Best Beastiary or Hyperspace Denizens so far. So again,
Speaker 1: there is a whole culture that has come up around this,
Speaker 1: and this is ancient. It's been happening for thousands of years,
Speaker 1: and yet in our lifetime, since World War Two, we've
Speaker 1: had this fable of UFOs that has taken in place.
Speaker 1: That is the fable folks, and yet they want to
Speaker 1: present that as a scientific reality. That is what is
Speaker 1: before us, and we need to get a handle on
Speaker 1: the reference points. This is one of that. You know, generally,
Speaker 1: I would say I see eye to eye pretty much
Speaker 1: on politics with David Ike, but this is where we
Speaker 1: part weighs because what he does is he looks at
Speaker 1: it in the same way that Arthur C. Clark did
Speaker 1: in terms of the film that I talked about yesterday,
Speaker 1: Childhood's End, where he posits in his science fiction he
Speaker 1: has a group of aliens actually coming from a planet
Speaker 1: of fire, and they look exactly like all the medieval
Speaker 1: depictions of Satan or demons, complete with the bathomet horns
Speaker 1: and the clothed hoofs and all the rest of the stuff,
Speaker 1: and red skin all the rest of that. And so
Speaker 1: what he's doing is he's saying, well, it was space
Speaker 1: aliens all along. You just got it wrong thinking that
Speaker 1: it was demons right. And David Ike says the same
Speaker 1: thing as well. He says, you got all these religions
Speaker 1: and cultures. They talk about gens, they talk about demons
Speaker 1: and all this stuff, but it's really just space aliens.
Speaker 1: I say, they flipped the labels, They've flipped the switch.
Speaker 1: They have done this because they can't posit the idea
Speaker 1: of their being a god. And so this is an
Speaker 1: evolutionary inversion of reality. And that's what we need to
Speaker 1: come to grips with. All these different streams are coming together,
Speaker 1: the ritualized drugs that play tricks with your mind and
Speaker 1: perhaps do take you to another realm. Who knows what's happening.
Speaker 1: There was a guy that was working on documentary that
Speaker 1: I met at an event that I was speaking at,
Speaker 1: and they had gone to Burning Man and what they
Speaker 1: said they saw there and were told that they had
Speaker 1: all these executive, all these Silicon Valley big tech executives,
Speaker 1: the multi billionaires, they were all in a tent, a
Speaker 1: bunch of them in a tent, and they were doing
Speaker 1: DMT and they were getting technology from these mechanical elves
Speaker 1: that they would then use. Now I don't know if
Speaker 1: that was true or not, but he said these people
Speaker 1: thought it was happening. And so when you look at
Speaker 1: this and what is behind it, whether you're talking about
Speaker 1: the technocracy and their idea of a singularity, which again
Speaker 1: is a counterfeit, repetition of the lives of the Garden
Speaker 1: of Eden, when you look at these different threads, the
Speaker 1: ancient ritualized drugs that would get people in contact with
Speaker 1: these spirits, as well as the ritualized child abuse, all
Speaker 1: of it is connected to these intelligence agencies and Jeffrey
Speaker 1: Epstein and people of that ILK and so all these
Speaker 1: different threads are coming together, and I think when you
Speaker 1: look at how they're going to push this out and
Speaker 1: to what end this is going to be, I think
Speaker 1: they're ready to do it because we had, as I
Speaker 1: pointed out yesterday, we had Barack Obama just kind of casually,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, they're real, you know, and let that set
Speaker 1: there for about a day, and then he came back
Speaker 1: from it the next day. Laura Trump but I don't
Speaker 1: know if it was the next day, But soon after that,
Speaker 1: Laura Trump on Fox News was talking about it and
Speaker 1: I reported this and she said, yeah, my father in
Speaker 1: law has got the letter written. It's just a question
Speaker 1: of timing. And so we can look at this from
Speaker 1: a purely political standpoint and say, yeah, he wants to
Speaker 1: have something that's going to distract people, and certainly there
Speaker 1: will be an advantage to him for that, but he
Speaker 1: is also selling this as well. He was then asked
Speaker 1: a question by Peter Doucy of Fox News on Air
Speaker 1: Force One about what Obama had said, and this is
Speaker 1: what Trump said.
Speaker 2: Barack Obama said that aliens are real.
Speaker 1: Have you seen any evidence of non human visitors?
Speaker 2: Works?
Speaker 3: Well, he gave class of right information. He's not supposed
Speaker 3: to be doing that.
Speaker 1: Aliens are real.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know if they're real or not. I
Speaker 3: can tell you he gave classified information. He's not supposed
Speaker 3: to be doing well. He made it big for sake.
Speaker 3: He took it out a class of fight information. No, don't.
Speaker 3: I don't have an opinion on it, and I never
Speaker 3: talked about it. A lot of people, a lot of
Speaker 3: people believe it.
Speaker 1: Do well.
Speaker 2: If the president can declassify anything that he wants to.
Speaker 3: I may get him out of trouble. But he classified
Speaker 3: we know, illegally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe he will declassify it. Right, And like Lauria,
Speaker 1: Trump says, all you got the letter written, it's just
Speaker 1: a matter of when he wants to drop that. And
Speaker 1: of course then they asked, uh, Pete Hegsath because this
Speaker 1: is kind of under the Department of Defense. And here's
Speaker 1: what Pete Hegsath I had to say.
Speaker 2: Three days ago, President Trump directed you to begin the
Speaker 2: process of identifying.
Speaker 4: What we seeing the UFO and l CUP files. And
Speaker 4: did you ever think that he would be the Secretary
Speaker 4: of War in charge of potentially declassifying extraterrestrial life America.
Speaker 2: I did not.
Speaker 1: I did not have that on my lego card.
Speaker 4: At all, And are not apparent to do that now?
Speaker 1: Of course, I mean, we've got our people working on
Speaker 1: it right now.
Speaker 3: I don't want to overseell how much time it will take.
Speaker 4: Right we're digging in. We're we're gonna be a full
Speaker 4: compliance with that executive order EA here to provide that
Speaker 4: for the president. So there'll be more coming on that
Speaker 4: fors the process of what we'll do and what sort
Speaker 4: of time frame do you may stands for not long seeking.
Speaker 3: I don't have a time frame for you yet, but
Speaker 3: standby because we'll get.
Speaker 4: A Ford in alien rail tap. What do you think
Speaker 4: aliens exists?
Speaker 2: We'll see.
Speaker 3: I get to do the review and find.
Speaker 2: Out what's along with you.
Speaker 1: Well, there are definitely other beings, and of course every
Speaker 1: Christian knows that we're not the only intelligent life. We
Speaker 1: know that God is there, we know that there's angels
Speaker 1: and demons, and we also know that all this stuff
Speaker 1: that they like to present as hidden knowledge is simply
Speaker 1: the occult. And the American government has been trading in
Speaker 1: the occult and working in the occult for a very
Speaker 1: very long time. Going back to the CIA in the
Speaker 1: mid twentieth century, Project Articode Artichoke is about seventy years ago,
Speaker 1: the CIA discussed hiding mind control drugs and vaccines. This
Speaker 1: is from Children's Health Defense. The program Project Artichoke ran
Speaker 1: from nineteen fifty one to nineteen fifty six, So the
Speaker 1: nineteen fifties Sea brainstormed ways to secretly perform mind control
Speaker 1: on humans, including concealing drugs and vaccines and widely consumed
Speaker 1: food products. A newly unearthed CIA document, revealed The Daily
Speaker 1: Mail first report of the story on Monday. The seven
Speaker 1: page document special Research for Artichoke. It described a series
Speaker 1: of ideas for how to develop chemicals designed to alter
Speaker 1: human behavior via drugs. The proposals contained in the document
Speaker 1: were part of the CIA's top secret Project Artichoke, which
Speaker 1: ran from fifty one to fifty six. According to The
Speaker 1: Daily Mail, it included administering drugs in secret as part
Speaker 1: of a long range approach to subjects. Again, we know
Speaker 1: they did this with LSD and there was a famous
Speaker 1: scientist who has taken out with that, and so they
Speaker 1: had no qualms whatsoever giving things to people surptitiously and
Speaker 1: without informed consent. This study should include.
Speaker 5: The whole practice of putting products in food that's consumed
Speaker 5: that has a psychedelic effect. Isn't that essentially fluoride in
Speaker 5: the water supply directly?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can put that in that category as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they definitely wanted to control our minds in order to
Speaker 1: dumb them down, not to open them up to other beings.
Speaker 1: But all of these things are part of it. When
Speaker 1: you look at the CIA, how evil they have been.
Speaker 1: They have not just this didn't start with Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 1: They were doing this a long time before that. They
Speaker 1: were setting up honey pot traps to blackmail people with
Speaker 1: sexual stuff and in terms of mind controlled drugs and
Speaker 1: all the rest of this, pedophile rings, all of this,
Speaker 1: and this truly is a convergence of a lot of
Speaker 1: these different evil streams that have been out there. They're
Speaker 1: all related to each other when you look at what
Speaker 1: is happening. You know, we've been sold a mythology through
Speaker 1: Hollywood for quite some time about UFOs to try to
Speaker 1: put it into a scientific roach, scientific and mathematical approach,
Speaker 1: and what it is is a rebranding of an ancient truth,
Speaker 1: because the ancient truth has to be kept from us. Right,
Speaker 1: as I talked about yesterday, those one scientist who is
Speaker 1: a secularist and atheist, he did an investigation of it.
Speaker 1: He said, well, they're not behaving as if they were aliens.
Speaker 1: From another point, they're tricksters and their deceptive, and there's
Speaker 1: religious aspects of it as well. But again going back
Speaker 1: to the CIA, the study should include chemicals, they said,
Speaker 1: or drugs that can effectively be concealed in common items
Speaker 1: such as food, water, coca cola, beer, liquor, cigarettes, et cetera.
Speaker 1: This type of drug should be capable of use in
Speaker 1: standard medical treatments like vaccinations, shots, et cetera. And so
Speaker 1: they experimented on people as part of Project Arcto Chokea.
Speaker 1: They included also mushrooms in this that produce a certain
Speaker 1: type of intoxication, mental derangement. And of course LSD was
Speaker 1: a synthetic that was created by them, popularized by them.
Speaker 1: And then as they're pushing these drugs LSD and Ken
Speaker 1: Kesey and his merry band of pranksters, they then said,
Speaker 1: well that's so dangerous, we need to have drug prohibition.
Speaker 1: That was the beginning of the drug war. And of
Speaker 1: course who is pushing the drugs the most, it's the CIA. Again,
Speaker 1: this is all a convergence of all these different elements
Speaker 1: coming together. So I think disclosure will be something that
Speaker 1: they can use as a deceptive method to distract people
Speaker 1: from what is really happening, as well as the other
Speaker 1: things that they wish to do. According to Ben Tapper,
Speaker 1: a Nebraska chiropractor who has included and the disinformation doesn't
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one for questioning vaccine safety, he said
Speaker 1: a disturbing reality that government agencies have historically explored ways
Speaker 1: to manipulate human behavior through chemical and biological means, including
Speaker 1: concepts involving food and medical interventions. This is not speculation,
Speaker 1: it's not conspiracy, and it should deeply concern every American
Speaker 1: who values bodily autonomy and informed consent. So again, Project
Speaker 1: Artichoke grew into and became mk Ultra, which has been
Speaker 1: exposed before. But Naomi Wolf, who has written about Pfizer
Speaker 1: and Pfeiser's crimes against humanity, that's the name of her book.
Speaker 1: The documents further confirm a long history of intelligence agencies
Speaker 1: research targeting human thought and behavior. As I've said for
Speaker 1: the longest time, we make a big mistake when we
Speaker 1: don't understand how powerful their technology is and that there
Speaker 1: are no limits on what they are morally capable of either. Certainly,
Speaker 1: when we look at the history of the CIA comes
Speaker 1: up over and over again, she said. Retouchers have long
Speaker 1: suspected the Church Committee's revelation that the CIA's notorious MK
Speaker 1: Ultra mind control experiments, mostly using LSD, had the effect
Speaker 1: of obscuring the agencies much larger Project Artichoke, and so
Speaker 1: this is all when you look at the disclosure talk
Speaker 1: that is coming out there, just understand that you need
Speaker 1: to have some discernment. You need to have a frame
Speaker 1: of reference. Are you going to base this on some
Speaker 1: papers from the Pentagon and from the CIA people who
Speaker 1: work for them. Is that going to be your frame
Speaker 1: of reference for the truth? Or are you going to
Speaker 1: rest it on the scriptures on the Bible. That's the
Speaker 1: key for you to get through this, to understand what
Speaker 1: is true and where you stand on this, because a
Speaker 1: lot of these things are coming through. Soy point out
Speaker 1: last year a pharmaceutical research and development executive, we're talking
Speaker 1: about this, and of course Sasha a lot of Pova,
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know of her. And Debbie Lherman released
Speaker 1: the COVID Dossier, presenting evidence that the military industrial coordination
Speaker 1: of the COVID response was not a public health event,
Speaker 1: but a global operation coordinated through public, private intelligence, and
Speaker 1: military alliances involving laws designed for chemical, biological, radiological and
Speaker 1: nuclear weapon attacks. And of course it was also a
Speaker 1: syop and we know that they did. These are the
Speaker 1: germ games of the practice for twenty years, first one
Speaker 1: being Dark Winter, and that was an alliance of these
Speaker 1: public health agencies, the corporations, as well as the intelligence agencies.
Speaker 1: And they practiced and rehearsed this stuff for twenty years
Speaker 1: before they unleashed it on us. The entire thing was
Speaker 1: a syop. And of course Yale the only studies that
Speaker 1: were really done in terms of the COVID stuff. They
Speaker 1: didn't do any studies to determine the safety or the
Speaker 1: efficacy of any vaccines or any the rest of that stuff.
Speaker 1: The studies that they did were how they were going
Speaker 1: to manipulate people and trick people into taking these vaccines
Speaker 1: when there wasn't going to be any safety or efficacy
Speaker 1: that was determined with any of this, or skipt all
Speaker 1: the testing except for the psychological operation that was very
Speaker 1: heavily tested. Well, we're going to take a quick break
Speaker 1: here and we're going to come back, and I've got
Speaker 1: the interview with the cancer survivor over half a century,
Speaker 1: and he's doing great. He's probably better help than I am.
Speaker 1: And what he had to say about what worked for
Speaker 1: him and what continued to work for him, and I
Speaker 1: think it's very important. I just saw an article from
Speaker 1: retired Senator Ben Sass He has terminal cancer. He's got
Speaker 1: tumors all over his body, and he says he's basically,
Speaker 1: you know, there's nothing else that can be done. He's
Speaker 1: basically given up. But he did have an interesting quote.
Speaker 1: He said, I remember when Tim Keller died. Tim Kellor,
Speaker 1: a Christian pastor and teacher. He said, Tim Kellor when
Speaker 1: he had the same type of cancer that Ben Sass had.
Speaker 1: He said, there's a lot of things that I regret,
Speaker 1: but he says, one thing that I would not give
Speaker 1: up is I would never want to go back to
Speaker 1: the prayer life that I had before I had cancer.
Speaker 1: And so Ben Sas said, I didn't understand that at
Speaker 1: the time, but I understand it now. Well, that is
Speaker 1: an important thing, but it's also important for us to
Speaker 1: know that there are things out there that, apparently for
Speaker 1: some people, certainly at least for our guest, work far
Speaker 1: better than any of the standard cancer treatments. And then
Speaker 1: after his interview, we're going to have an interview with
Speaker 1: someone who is going to talk about how real estate
Speaker 1: is being changed, the buying and selling real estate, how
Speaker 1: technology is impinging on that. You know, everything is being
Speaker 1: rapidly changed by technology, and that's one of the things.
Speaker 1: And he has an international brokerage firm, and he's going
Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about what the real estate
Speaker 1: picture looks like internationally. Curiously enough, he's based out of
Speaker 1: Venezuela and he finds these depressed areas, you know, like
Speaker 1: somebody might go into Detroit and look for a bargain
Speaker 1: there and hope that it's going to turn around. He
Speaker 1: thinks that Venezuela is at rock bottom and it's going
Speaker 1: to turn around. So he thinks it's a big business opportunity.
Speaker 1: But he also helps people. A lot of them maybe
Speaker 1: here because they come from another country and they're thinking
Speaker 1: as they retire, they're going to go back to their
Speaker 1: home country. It could be Ireland, it could be Greece,
Speaker 1: it could be Mexico or whatever, and a lot of
Speaker 1: people looking to save money as they retire. So he
Speaker 1: says he's got a business that helps people do that.
Speaker 1: So I think you'll find that interesting as well. We're
Speaker 1: going to take a quick break and we'll be right
Speaker 1: back with the Cancer Survivor. You're listening to the David
Speaker 1: Knight Show. Well, joining us now is Rick Hill. He's
Speaker 1: an ambassador for Oasis of Hope Hospital. He's also, most
Speaker 1: importantly a cancer survivor, and he's written about that he
Speaker 1: had cancer fifty two years ago and he found something
Speaker 1: that's very effective. So we want to find out a
Speaker 1: little bit about his story because we're seeing an uptick
Speaker 1: in cancer, not only that, but in turbo cancer. We've
Speaker 1: got just this last week or so, we now have
Speaker 1: the Trump administration pushing for glycysset, compelling its production, and
Speaker 1: offering legal immunity for that. So what can we do
Speaker 1: as individuals to protect ourselves from cancer? So we wanted
Speaker 1: to talk to Rick Hill about that. Thank you for
Speaker 1: joining us, sir.
Speaker 4: Well, you're welcome, looking forward to this, and you're quite right,
Speaker 4: you know, most of what has happened in this administration
Speaker 4: has been good. But man, he's got a backtrack on
Speaker 4: this because of we MAGA supporters or me, I should say,
Speaker 4: I don't like this, and I'm going to be vocal
Speaker 4: about it. Yeah, glyphosate is not good for us. And
Speaker 4: they gave him a million dollars toward his campaign last year,
Speaker 4: and I just I think that's cavin in No.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that seems to be the magic number. Yeah, million dollars.
Speaker 1: They always seem to be able to get at least
Speaker 1: a thousand times they turn on their investment. You just
Speaker 1: get somebody thousands of dollars, you get millions or billions
Speaker 1: of dollars. You know, in this particular case, they got
Speaker 1: a lot more than millions of dollars. But anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about your story and then
Speaker 1: we'll talk about the pushback from the cancer industry as
Speaker 1: to what you're saying. And I think we have seen
Speaker 1: all that this is an opportunity. I think that they
Speaker 1: handed us because people have been trying to talk about
Speaker 1: alternative medicine and say, why can't we try this or
Speaker 1: try that. We saw that all shut down during the pandemic.
Speaker 1: They said, well, here's this terrible pandemic. It's the worst
Speaker 1: thing we've ever seen in a history. And yet we're
Speaker 1: not going to let you try anything. You're going to
Speaker 1: set there locked down until we've got our solution is
Speaker 1: delivered to you, and then we'll compel you to take that.
Speaker 1: And I think that woke a lot of people up.
Speaker 1: I mean, if that doesn't wake you up, what will?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a frightening time. Yeah, I mean, golly,
Speaker 4: I didn't survive the Mayo Clinic and then my flight
Speaker 4: to Tijuana to be taken out by a vaccine. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I didn't get it. I refused it, and you know,
Speaker 4: I just said Thanksgiving. There are things we didn't talk
Speaker 4: about with our family, and that was one of them.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, a lot of people are taken in by
Speaker 1: it and a lot of people, unfortunately, have been taken
Speaker 1: out by it. But let's talk about cancer and tell
Speaker 1: us your story. You were diagnosed in night teen seventy four.
Speaker 1: What kind of cancer did you have?
Speaker 4: The technical term Travis's imbriono cell carcinoma, and that is
Speaker 4: a germ cancer, meaning I probably had it from birth.
Speaker 4: And I was twenty four when I was diagnosed, and
Speaker 4: they did eight and a half hours of exploratory surgery.
Speaker 4: Remember they didn't have scans way back then.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: And so they operated up here in my clavigal and
Speaker 4: found in the lymphatic system a cancer. And the lymphatic
Speaker 4: system is like a super highway once you get it
Speaker 4: in there, man, especially if it's high grade embryono cell
Speaker 4: carcinoma that's like stage four, And in the system like that,
Speaker 4: it runs like a racehorse. And they operated on my feet.
Speaker 4: They found it head to toe, stowed me back up
Speaker 4: and said, in fighte your family in you are in trouble.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: So my family flew into town and I was scheduled
Speaker 4: to have chemo. And here's where the story really gets interesting.
Speaker 4: Imagine a guy down to one hundred and twenty pounds
Speaker 4: on morphine, schedule for chemotherapy on Monday. It's now Friday,
Speaker 4: and I get a letter in the mail. I open
Speaker 4: it says, dear Rick, if you want to live, you're
Speaker 4: going to have to leave the mail clinic.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: So I knew this guy. He's a Baptist pastor, and
Speaker 4: I called him up and I said, you know, whatever
Speaker 4: you're smoking, send me some because I'm about a week
Speaker 4: away from meeting our creator. And he said, well, I
Speaker 4: know that, that's why I wrote you. I said, well, John,
Speaker 4: what are you not John Richardson? His name is John Ballentine.
Speaker 4: I said, John, what are you thinking? Why would I
Speaker 4: leave the Mayo Clinic. It's a citadel of modern medicine.
Speaker 4: He said, I agree with that, but I don't think
Speaker 4: it's medicine you need. And I said, well, what do
Speaker 4: you think I need? He said, are you sitting down?
Speaker 4: The story was so bizarre. He said, you're going to
Speaker 4: have to leave and go to Tijuana and there they're
Speaker 4: going to take a derivative of the apricot fruit and
Speaker 4: injected in your veins. I said, that's the story you
Speaker 4: want me to give my family that have flown in
Speaker 4: the saga that I'm leaving the Mao clinic. I've got
Speaker 4: good insurance and I'm going to go to tj for apricot.
Speaker 4: And he said, I know it doesn't sound good, does it?
Speaker 1: He said no?
Speaker 4: And I said, look, John, I'm not going to argue
Speaker 4: with you. I have an appointment with my chemotherapist in
Speaker 4: about an hour. I'm going to drive over there and
Speaker 4: I'm going to tell him what you told me. I'm
Speaker 4: telling at you. And he said, good luck with that, pal.
Speaker 1: So I did.
Speaker 4: I got my car, I drove over there, sat down,
Speaker 4: told him the story I just told your viewers. And
Speaker 4: I thought I was going to learn new swear words.
Speaker 4: I thought this chemo therapist was you little pip squeak,
Speaker 4: you know? And instead he folded his arms, sat back
Speaker 4: in his chair and he says to me, you know, Rick,
Speaker 4: it is warm in Tijuana this time of year. And
Speaker 4: I thought, did I hear what I just heard? And
Speaker 4: you know he's not going to jeopardize his three hundred
Speaker 4: k job a year. And I stood up and I said,
Speaker 4: message delivered. I appreciate your honesty. And I walked to
Speaker 4: the door, put my hand on the antle, turned and said,
Speaker 4: I probably will never see you again. And he's mild
Speaker 4: and I left. Two days later. I'm in TJ. And
Speaker 4: that was like going down the rabbit hole.
Speaker 2: I mean, I grew up.
Speaker 4: I grew up a Detroit greaser. You know what a
Speaker 4: greaser is like Phonsie. Oh, yeah, that is what I
Speaker 4: look like in nineteen seventy four. I'm a little messed
Speaker 4: up there, but that's after ten hours of being under
Speaker 4: you know, surgery. And if there was a health food
Speaker 4: store in Detroit, I'd never been to it and didn't
Speaker 4: know where it was, and I wouldn't have. I mean,
Speaker 4: my mother grew up in Alabama. I grew up on
Speaker 4: soul food, which is fried pork, country gravy on everything,
Speaker 4: you know, all the sweets you could eat. And we
Speaker 4: just weren't that family.
Speaker 2: We weren't.
Speaker 4: And here I am in a helt food store now
Speaker 4: in San Diego, trying to find something I can eat
Speaker 4: because they told me no more bad food, no more sugar,
Speaker 4: and I felt like there's Ravi Shanker music playing in
Speaker 4: the background. I'm the only one in the store wearing underwear.
Speaker 2: I mean, this.
Speaker 4: Stone ground heaven for these people, and I'm thinking, I
Speaker 4: don't blend, you know what. I want to make a
Speaker 4: point here. Your viewers don't have to blend for this
Speaker 4: to work. Yeah, they have to be willing to alter
Speaker 4: their life, but they don't have to be, you know,
Speaker 4: a nineteen seventies what I would. And I'm not trying
Speaker 4: to offend anybody hippie to make this work. I'm a grease, sir.
Speaker 4: I'm wearing a long leather jacket, you know. And I
Speaker 4: thought I just don't blend. But when I met doctor
Speaker 4: Contreras Senior, he said to me a very important statement.
Speaker 4: He said, Rick, this is participatory medicine. If you don't
Speaker 4: help us, we will fail and you will die. You're
Speaker 4: a sick puppy and I need your help. I said,
Speaker 4: what do you want me to do?
Speaker 1: Doc?
Speaker 4: He said, everything we ask you to do, I want
Speaker 4: you to be willing to do it. And I just
Speaker 4: had no idea what that entailed. First day I'm in there,
Speaker 4: they come in and they give me the latrill, you know,
Speaker 4: shots right here in the arm, and that's at vitamin
Speaker 4: B seventeen a magdalen, a derivative of the apricot six grams.
Speaker 4: You know, that's a big shot. And then they gave
Speaker 4: me a whole bunch of pancreatic enzymes. Nothing like that
Speaker 4: had ever been in this body either one. And then
Speaker 4: she comes in carrying a bout and the nurse is
Speaker 4: trying to be cheery, and she says, today we are
Speaker 4: going to start your detox program. I said, great, what's
Speaker 4: a detox? And she says, well, have you ever change
Speaker 4: water in the radiator of your car? I said, of course.
Speaker 4: She says how'd you do it? I said, well, you know,
Speaker 4: you undo the deals, you get the garden hose and
Speaker 4: then when it runs clear, you take the hose out,
Speaker 4: cap it up, lay rubber out of the parking lot.
Speaker 4: I had a fifty seven Ford slick tires, hearst floor
Speaker 4: shift handling life. Okay. I look at her and I
Speaker 4: say that thing you're carrying, where does that hose go?
Speaker 4: And she says, well, and I for the for your
Speaker 4: listeners that don't know what a colonic is, picture yourself
Speaker 4: water skiing really fast and then just sit. Okay, I
Speaker 4: know what a kiloanit is. And I didn't tell any
Speaker 4: of my friends about this. I didn't even tell my
Speaker 4: family what.
Speaker 2: I was doing.
Speaker 4: But here's the thing. I was only there three weeks.
Speaker 4: And after three weeks, my color came back, my appetite
Speaker 4: came back. I wasn't cured. I don't think anybody's cured.
Speaker 4: You can bring that stuff back in a heartbeat. If
Speaker 4: you go back to doing what you were doing before
Speaker 4: you got sick. And three weeks I'm out of there.
Speaker 4: And a lady that I know on my Facebook site
Speaker 4: was there when I was there, glioblastoma, brain cancer spread
Speaker 4: to her spine, couldn't walk. Three weeks later, Travis, both
Speaker 4: of us walked out of that clinic. Wow, and she contacts.
Speaker 4: I saw her two days ago on my face book site.
Speaker 4: Living in Key West, twenty or thirty grandkids, too much son.
Speaker 4: I'm not a one off deal, not a one off deal.
Speaker 4: There are hundreds of thousands of us out there, but
Speaker 4: I'm one of the few vocal ones. Because our government,
Speaker 4: and that's kind of what I want to focus on.
Speaker 4: If you're agreeable, our government drove it underground. In fact,
Speaker 4: the book that I wrote, Too Young to Die, I
Speaker 4: mean I had to be careful where I sold that
Speaker 4: I've got a little thing here that when I would
Speaker 4: go to a town and speak, that town would put
Speaker 4: a little thing in the newspaper saying I was coming.
Speaker 4: And then after I had spoken, they put another article
Speaker 4: in the paper saying here's what he said. The American
Speaker 4: Cancer Society used to put an alternate a position right
Speaker 4: across from my article that said, as for the testimony offered,
Speaker 4: it may be that he never had cancer in the
Speaker 4: first place.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw that he denied it.
Speaker 4: So after about the third article, I clipped him, sent
Speaker 4: him to the Mayo Clinic and said, you have misdiagnosed me.
Speaker 4: The American Cancer Society says this that I never had
Speaker 4: it in the first place, So what did you do
Speaker 4: that surgery for? I'm getting an attorney. I got this
Speaker 4: letter back overnight from the Mayo Clinic. In regard to
Speaker 4: your question that people have asked questioning as to whether
Speaker 4: or not you actually did have cancer in the first place,
Speaker 4: You are entirely right that you had stage three high
Speaker 4: grade imbriono cel carsonoma and that chemotherapy was mandatory when
Speaker 4: I up and left.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: So and the letter that you sent me was from
Speaker 1: the doctor that diagnosed it, and he said, I'm glad
Speaker 1: that you're feeling well, but he goes, you know, we
Speaker 1: did this, we found the tumor, and he talked about
Speaker 1: all the different aspects of what were the symptoms that
Speaker 1: you had with that cancer.
Speaker 4: Well, I had a tumor. It was in the groin.
Speaker 4: So I didn't do a lot of horseback riding back then.
Speaker 4: And then I started not feeling well, achy, bad mood,
Speaker 4: you know. And I was a parochial school principal at
Speaker 4: the time. I had to go to seminary to do that,
Speaker 4: and I thought, golly, I work for God. What is
Speaker 4: this about. What do you mean terminal? Why would you
Speaker 4: use that term with me? And it's discouraging. That's what
Speaker 4: I want people to know that if they're dealing with
Speaker 4: this and they're discouraged, I'm on your team, yeah, because
Speaker 4: I know what it is to believe that I may
Speaker 4: not have any hope left in this life. And I
Speaker 4: define hope as that my calling now has helped other
Speaker 4: people escape hope, because I think for most people, not everybody,
Speaker 4: but for most people. If the disease didn't kill him,
Speaker 4: the chemo will.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the disease didn't kill him, the radiation will. And
Speaker 4: I'm looking you in the eye, Travis, and I'm saying
Speaker 4: I took massive amounts of a magdalen and pancreatic enzymes
Speaker 4: and everything else. I never even I never even got
Speaker 4: a headache. My hair didn't fall out. Now today it's
Speaker 4: falling out. But I'm seventy four years old. Okay, let's talk.
Speaker 2: But not then.
Speaker 4: I didn't have a fever, I didn't throw up, I
Speaker 4: wasn't running to the bathroom people.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was I'm sympathetic with that. My father died
Speaker 1: from chemotherapy the very first time they gave him the chemotherapy.
Speaker 1: When it took comment, it never came out of it.
Speaker 1: So the stuff that they give people, you know, I
Speaker 1: was open to this from the very beginning. But like
Speaker 1: I said, I think we've got an opening because what
Speaker 1: people saw five years ago and the fact that there
Speaker 1: was obviously a different agenda. One of the articles that
Speaker 1: you clipped and sent to me, it was a rebuttal,
Speaker 1: part of the rebuttal from the American Cancer Society, and
Speaker 1: they said, well, We just don't feel that this has
Speaker 1: any benefit. WHOA wait a minute, you don't feel that
Speaker 1: it has there's nothing scientific or medical about this. You
Speaker 1: just don't feel that it has any benefit, and keep
Speaker 1: on reading. It says, well, to date, there haven't been
Speaker 1: any test results to show its effectiveness. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: then there haven't been any test results to show that
Speaker 1: it's not effective either, Right, you haven't tested it. You
Speaker 1: just this is not about medicine or science. It's about business.
Speaker 4: I think, deny, deny, denied because Travis nobody kicks a
Speaker 4: dead dog, and nobody's thrown doctors in jail and terminating
Speaker 4: their license like they did John Richardson's father. If they're
Speaker 4: prescribing ivermectin or finn beIN or mistletoe or these other
Speaker 4: things that are out there, why because they don't work
Speaker 4: as well they work, they help, they don't work as
Speaker 4: well as this does. This was developed in nineteen o
Speaker 4: two by a doctor, John Beard. In the book World
Speaker 4: Without Cancer, Chapter five, This guy had a whole bunch
Speaker 4: of stage four cancer. People gave him these pancreatic enzymes Kimo,
Speaker 4: Tripson and Tripson, and they got well. And he published
Speaker 4: the results they came after him. So nobody kicks a
Speaker 4: dead dog. And even today I went in to a
Speaker 4: very popular hospital chain just for my annual checkup. I'm
Speaker 4: not against medicine. I'm not against all doctors and everything, but.
Speaker 1: Let the buyer beware. That's the whole thing. We should
Speaker 1: be skeptical about it, just not blindly trust this stuff.
Speaker 1: And that's what a lot of people do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this I had to.
Speaker 4: Get another doctor because he found out that I went
Speaker 4: to Tijuana.
Speaker 1: Really.
Speaker 4: He said, yeah, some people think if they eat apricots
Speaker 4: they're going to get well. And I said, doc, I
Speaker 4: did that. And he looked at his file and he
Speaker 4: didn't have anything in there, and he said, we're done here,
Speaker 4: and he got up, left the office and slammed the door. Wow,
Speaker 4: fifty one years later, he's slamming the door in my face.
Speaker 4: I'm thinking, these people hold on to grievances. You think,
Speaker 4: you go, well, let's let buy gnes being by you
Speaker 4: look pretty good now.
Speaker 2: Nope.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not interested in the actual results there. They
Speaker 1: just they've got their paradigm and their business that they
Speaker 1: want to push forward. And that's the key thing. Well,
Speaker 1: I certainly know what that is like, and of course
Speaker 1: my audience that knows that as well, have been banned
Speaker 1: on PayPal and Venmo and YouTube and Facebook and on
Speaker 1: and on and on, because I'm not going to be
Speaker 1: quiet about it. And I appreciate you persisting in this
Speaker 1: as well, because it's very important when you get something
Speaker 1: like this and you have to look at why these
Speaker 1: people are so hell bent, literally hell bent on trying
Speaker 1: to suppress this information that could help people and to
Speaker 1: push something on them that's going to harm them, because
Speaker 1: they have some benefits somehow out of this. That is
Speaker 1: the amazing thing, probably like your acronym of hope, helping
Speaker 1: other people escape, that's really the key thing. I think.
Speaker 4: Well, and I'd like to give your viewers a free
Speaker 4: book with no credit card to have nobody calls, but
Speaker 4: if they will log on to world My World without
Speaker 4: Cancer dot com My World without Cancer dot com, I
Speaker 4: will send them a three hundred page book which has
Speaker 4: in chapter five this doctor Beard's research, so that they
Speaker 4: can go, well, you know, I heard this weird story
Speaker 4: today on this program, but the guy sent me a
Speaker 4: free book. I read it and it seems credible to me.
Speaker 4: And this is from nineteen oh two.
Speaker 1: Wow, all these years.
Speaker 4: They've hidden this. Wow, and I just think that's criminal.
Speaker 4: Just how come I couldn't use my insurance to get
Speaker 4: this treatment? Why did I have to leave the country
Speaker 4: to do it?
Speaker 1: That's right? And why is it that doctors can't talk
Speaker 1: to patients about different alternatives. Why do I have to
Speaker 1: have politicians that are going to set in judgment of
Speaker 1: what I'm allowed to use for my own health. That
Speaker 1: makes absolutely no sense, but that's where we are in
Speaker 1: this country, unfortunately.
Speaker 4: So they can get that free book, and then if
Speaker 4: they want my book for free, they can go on
Speaker 4: to B seventeen works dot com and there's a little
Speaker 4: questionnaire to fill out and if they want to talk
Speaker 4: to me, I'll give them a callback or I'll send
Speaker 4: them an email. But I'll also send them a PDF
Speaker 4: copy of my book, Too Young to Die. I'm not
Speaker 4: a scholar, I'm not a doctor, but it's a story
Speaker 4: of hope. Well, I talked to details.
Speaker 1: Yes, I've talked to John Richards several times and I
Speaker 1: told him, I said, I don't discount anecdotal stories. I
Speaker 1: think they're very important because when you look at these
Speaker 1: studies that are orchestrated. I reported on this over and
Speaker 1: over again. How you got three different pharmaceutical companies. They've
Speaker 1: all got to draw a drug that they want to
Speaker 1: use to sell you to treat a particular condition. And
Speaker 1: they all do their own studies. And guess what, the
Speaker 1: people that they hire to do the studies, if Brand
Speaker 1: A hires the person to do the task, guests which
Speaker 1: brand is the best one? Brand A, And if Brand
Speaker 1: B hires somebody else, it's going to be Brand Be's
Speaker 1: going to be the best one. And so I don't
Speaker 1: really have a lot of faith and a lot of
Speaker 1: these studies because you look at them, a lot of
Speaker 1: them have a conflict of interest in terms of who's
Speaker 1: paying for them. When as you look at somebody's particular
Speaker 1: anecdotal story like yours, your interest is just in trying
Speaker 1: to help other people and tell them where you found
Speaker 1: some help.
Speaker 4: And that's the key that sent me a million dollars
Speaker 4: last year.
Speaker 1: That's right, pain, you know.
Speaker 4: And I just I'm not for sale, and I've done
Speaker 4: without some things in order to do this. But I
Speaker 4: look at it this way. This Baptist pastor right fifty
Speaker 4: one years ago stuck his nose in my business and
Speaker 4: said Rick you're going to die if you keep doing
Speaker 4: what you're doing. And today I'm I'm seventy four, five,
Speaker 4: seventy five now, and I I don't have the problems
Speaker 4: that other people have. I just don't.
Speaker 2: I don't. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I see people in grocery stores. They're my age, Yeah,
Speaker 4: hanging on the handle to get out of the store,
Speaker 4: nothing but sugar in their cart. Yeah, and they're on
Speaker 4: eight or nine prescriptions.
Speaker 1: That's the other thing. Yeah, that's the other thing. They
Speaker 1: give you a prescription for one thing, and then that
Speaker 1: may actually exacerbate that condition, but then it creates some
Speaker 1: other side issues. And so you start taking some drugs
Speaker 1: for these other side issues. And now what's the interaction
Speaker 1: with all these drugs. Nobody tests that at all.
Speaker 4: Met Foreman is a gateway, And unfortunately, in our society,
Speaker 4: about two thirds of the people you'll ever walk by
Speaker 4: are on met Foreman and glip aside and all these
Speaker 4: other things because somebody convinced them that sugar is okay
Speaker 4: in modest amounts. As long as it's in fruit modest amounts,
Speaker 4: it is okay. But a Coca Cola, you know, nine
Speaker 4: tablespoons of sugar in that puppy and then they go
Speaker 4: into the seven eleven and get a big gulp.
Speaker 2: One's not enough.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I want to die quickly. So we are we're
Speaker 4: what a species are.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It really is amazing too when you go back
Speaker 1: and look at pictures of just the general population in
Speaker 1: the fifties, sixties and seventies and so, and how thin
Speaker 1: everybody was, and how have you everybody yesterday? It's amazing
Speaker 1: for me to go back and look. I tried to
Speaker 1: go back to the high school I attended and see
Speaker 1: what was happening to it because there was a controversy
Speaker 1: about the mascot there. It was Chiefs and they don't
Speaker 1: allow that anymore, right, So I go back and look,
Speaker 1: and and you know, the band that was there and
Speaker 1: the majorrettes and cheerleaders and stuff. Was like, how did
Speaker 1: everybody it's so fat? It's amazing.
Speaker 4: You look terrific, And yeah, you must have walked around thinking,
Speaker 4: now I'm the one that's not really fitting in.
Speaker 1: It was strange.
Speaker 4: Yet, yeah, let me let me get rid of that.
Speaker 4: When I use my computer, it even though I've got
Speaker 4: my phone off, my computer will say take the call. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, I I don't understand why someone wouldn't at
Speaker 4: least sit down with me like a doctor, like the
Speaker 4: surgeon that did all of that, and say, hey, I
Speaker 4: don't agree with what you did, but i'm at it worked.
Speaker 4: Tell me what you did. I'll take notes and I
Speaker 4: will look at it. They just say, no, I'm not
Speaker 4: interested in what you did. I don't understand that.
Speaker 1: Well, I've seen what you're talking about. When it comes
Speaker 1: to media tree right, Pediatricians have been put under economic
Speaker 1: pressure by the insurance companies that if they don't get
Speaker 1: a certain percentage of their kids vaccinated per the vaccine schedule,
Speaker 1: they get their insurance cut so drastically that it puts
Speaker 1: them out of business. And so these guys are really
Speaker 1: aggressive about it. I first saw that when our kids
Speaker 1: were young, about thirty years ago, aggressively pushing this vaccine
Speaker 1: stuff and trying to get us to put them on
Speaker 1: fluoride pills because we were on well water. This guy
Speaker 1: was adamant about all this stuff, and I didn't argue
Speaker 1: with him. We just never went back, you know. But
Speaker 1: it really is amazing the kind of how they have
Speaker 1: embraced this as their identity, as their profession, and they
Speaker 1: are as aggressive in terms of pushing this as the
Speaker 1: people who are directly making the product.
Speaker 4: Well, imagine John, I know you've interviewed John Richardson, but
Speaker 4: imagine what it was like growing up in that house.
Speaker 4: Your dad's a doctor, he's running for Congress, He's a
Speaker 4: very popular person in that community northern California, and all
Speaker 4: of a sudden they come into his office with the
Speaker 4: guns out, arrest him and his nurse, strow him in jail,
Speaker 4: and then terminate his medical license for giving someone Apricot derivatives.
Speaker 4: What is the matter with these people? You know, I
Speaker 4: mean you'd think they go you know, let's ignore them.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you want to think Apricots cure people, fine,
Speaker 4: but no, they went to war. And the reason they
Speaker 4: went to war, they also went to war with Rife,
Speaker 4: Royal Rife, the same thing, the Rife microscope, the way
Speaker 4: he that San Diego Tribune wrote the article and said,
Speaker 4: this guy took eight or nine patients with stage four
Speaker 4: cancer and they don't have it anymore. What is doctor
Speaker 4: Rife doing? They rated his office, took everything he had,
Speaker 4: terminated his medical license, and unfortunately he died an early death,
Speaker 4: probably due to alcohol, because they destroyed his life.
Speaker 1: Well, that is amazing.
Speaker 4: I don't get it. I just don't get it. I'm
Speaker 4: excited about you having this kind of information on your
Speaker 4: show because you are part of the solution, not the problem.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Yeah, we have to. I've just seen
Speaker 1: this in so many different ways.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: The first time kind of interesting, you know, Jed Griffin,
Speaker 1: you always think about naming of the Federal Reserve. First
Speaker 1: time I was ever censored was because of a report
Speaker 1: that I did on the one hundredth anniversary of the
Speaker 1: Federal Reserve. So they have these systems that are so
Speaker 1: vital that they will do anything to anybody who even
Speaker 1: criticizes the calls into question what these systems are. And
Speaker 1: it truly is amazing how vigorously they protect themselves with
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: Well, I did an interview with doctor Contreras Junior, you know, Francisco.
Speaker 4: He's a surgical oncologist, speaks three or four languages fluently.
Speaker 4: This guy didn't fall off the truck yesterday, and they
Speaker 4: interviewed me, they interviewed him. We put it on Facebook,
Speaker 4: we put it on YouTube, and they took it down. Yeah,
Speaker 4: this guy said nothing acoustic, didn't make fun of anybody,
Speaker 4: nothing like that, and they just took it all down.
Speaker 4: This was recently, like a month ago.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: And he is a director and founder of the Oasi
Speaker 4: Whole Hospital, five story hospital, two operatories, twenty four hour nursing,
Speaker 4: private rooms, and they took it down because I was
Speaker 4: on there.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It truly is amazing, and they do they do focus
Speaker 1: on individuals already, and everybody talks about how they're going
Speaker 1: to use a surveillancing control to limit speech and what
Speaker 1: people can say and post and all the rest of
Speaker 1: this stuff. It's already happening. It's been happening for quite
Speaker 1: some time. I mean after they took my stuff down
Speaker 1: on YouTube, I put up a Christmas music program of
Speaker 1: some Christmas music that I've done on a channel about
Speaker 1: a year and a half after that, and they took
Speaker 1: that down after six months with no explanation. And so
Speaker 1: we put up a few things now on YouTube. I
Speaker 1: don't expect that to last very long. We have to
Speaker 1: very carefully edit it when we put it up, or
Speaker 1: we know they'll all be taken down. But it's just
Speaker 1: kind of there as a pointer to the other stuff.
Speaker 2: That we do.
Speaker 1: But that's where we live now, and it's only going
Speaker 1: to get worse because they're focusing so much on how
Speaker 1: they can identify people and turn using the internet into
Speaker 1: a permission that is granted by them.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if your viewer know this or not,
Speaker 4: but you were kind enough to set up a discount.
Speaker 4: May I talk about that briefly. The things that I
Speaker 4: took are available, and they are legal as long as
Speaker 4: they're purchased as food supplements. That's what we're saying today.
Speaker 4: And if they log on the r n C store
Speaker 4: dot com, r n C like Rick Nancy Charlie store
Speaker 4: dot com, they can order anything that they you know,
Speaker 4: the the enzymes, the B seventeen, the B fifteen, anything
Speaker 4: they want. And if they put that I wrote it
Speaker 4: down Night k N I G H T, which I yeah,
Speaker 4: it's your last name. If they put that in at
Speaker 4: the end of the order, they'll say do you have
Speaker 4: a discount code? I hate those because I never have one.
Speaker 1: You got one? Now I have one.
Speaker 4: Now if they write Night in there, they'll save ten percent.
Speaker 4: I don't get it. You don't get that money. That's
Speaker 4: for your listeners, that's right, and your viewers. So they
Speaker 4: may not know this, but that's a great thing you did.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Rick. I appreciate your story, and
Speaker 1: I'm glad that it all worked out for you, and
Speaker 1: it's good. We're glad that you're doing fine. I just
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Speaker 4: Yes, and my father, my sister came out of acoma.
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Speaker 1: about making sense common Again. You're listening to the David
Speaker 1: Night Show. Well, joining us now is Sasha Paparich, and
Speaker 1: he has an international perspective on the real estate market.
Speaker 1: You know, we have a way that we have here
Speaker 1: in America of buying and selling houses, which is different
Speaker 1: than the rest of the world. We've only seen one
Speaker 1: way for several decades. But even that way is undergoing
Speaker 1: a lot of different changes. We've had major lawsuits between
Speaker 1: brokerages and others fighting each other in court in terms
Speaker 1: of how listings are going to be done, how real
Speaker 1: estate is going to be done, commissions, and things like that.
Speaker 1: Two major lawsuits for the National Association Realators one in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three that was one point eight billion dollars
Speaker 1: and then there was another one for four hundred and
Speaker 1: something million dollars that happened in twenty twenty four. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: there are lawsuits going back and forth becaming big brokerage
Speaker 1: companies like Remax and a service called Compass that is
Speaker 1: doing exclusive interviews interviews, not interviews, but listings for a
Speaker 1: short period of time before they put him out for
Speaker 1: multiple listings, and so that's created a competition between Compass
Speaker 1: and Zilo. So Sasha has a company that is the
Speaker 1: first international real estate platform. So I thought it'd be
Speaker 1: kind of interesting to get his perspective on how things
Speaker 1: are rapidly changing here in the United States as well
Speaker 1: as what is customary internationally. So joining us now is
Speaker 1: Sasha Popa Rick, the founder of Mobilium. I guess is
Speaker 1: the way you pronounced it? Is that correct?
Speaker 2: Or X? And thank you David, thank you for having
Speaker 2: me on your podcast.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for coming on. Yeah, it's kind of interesting.
Speaker 1: A lot of tech changes are really happening. And I
Speaker 1: think even when we look at the ability of artificial
Speaker 1: intelligence to go through and sort through a large amount
Speaker 1: of data and bring that home and make some sense
Speaker 1: of it or not the point yet where the AI
Speaker 1: agents are really working that well. But theoretically you could
Speaker 1: have an AI agent that would go out and look
Speaker 1: at listings and you tell it you want to be
Speaker 1: in this general area, and you give it some other
Speaker 1: parameter maybe about schools or this or that, and have
Speaker 1: it do a sort through of all the data that's
Speaker 1: out there and present candidates to you. Well, what do
Speaker 1: you think is going to be happening in the real
Speaker 1: state market?
Speaker 2: Wow? I mean, I I am. We had this like
Speaker 2: little little chat before we started it, and you know that.
Speaker 2: I think that a major thing that's going to happen
Speaker 2: is that unfortunately or fortunately, agents are going to become
Speaker 2: more and more obsolete.
Speaker 1: And you know, human agents, human agents, you be real
Speaker 1: state agents.
Speaker 2: Absolutely the physical appearance of an agent, because the work
Speaker 2: that agents provide today it's not even as closed what
Speaker 2: was happening ten to fifteen. I'm not even talking about
Speaker 2: twenty years ago. I mean you, as a seller, Let's
Speaker 2: say in two thousands, early two thousands, were hiring an
Speaker 2: agent who like would go like and break his or
Speaker 2: hers lag and show it in the house and take
Speaker 2: up pictures and do all these documentations, applications, anything for you,
Speaker 2: which was rightfully something that would earn the agent five
Speaker 2: percent of the commission of six percent of commission, depends
Speaker 2: on the area, exactly today's age. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 2: sure what agents are actually doing except being like you know,
Speaker 2: Instagram models. I mean, it's you can say, okay, so
Speaker 2: people are going to look at me now because they
Speaker 2: have tons of friends who are agents and tons of
Speaker 2: friends who are brokers, and I think they already know
Speaker 2: this whole thing. This whole COVID period shook that three
Speaker 2: of four hundred thousand agents in California alone, you know,
Speaker 2: coming down to maybe like only thirty percent of them
Speaker 2: actually selling something and you know, because every single agent
Speaker 2: prior the COVID, prior the interst rates coming to just
Speaker 2: a few percent, and was making two hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 2: a year buying the brand new beamers, buying amazing purses.
Speaker 2: Like if it was a female and it was like
Speaker 2: irritating the neighbor next door who was actually doing something else,
Speaker 2: being a hostess, of being like, you know, a receptionist,
Speaker 2: and then she got neighbors like, oh my god, how
Speaker 2: do you make all this money? It was seller's market
Speaker 2: properties being so left and right, and then they go, look,
Speaker 2: you just go do your test three four months, you
Speaker 2: know whatever, You get your license and join my brokerage,
Speaker 2: and I'm going to give you so many deals because
Speaker 2: the market is looking force for buyers, you know, to
Speaker 2: to to accumulate, and everyone was making money when COVID hit.
Speaker 2: After the COVID, the economy is start crushing down all
Speaker 2: these things. Most of the agents fell off and they
Speaker 2: go back to their own roots, back to being hairstylists,
Speaker 2: back to be hosteds, back to be receptionist. Because there
Speaker 2: was nothing on the market. There was no sales, but
Speaker 2: not just that, there was nothing that they could contribute
Speaker 2: towards the helping the industry grow. And I think that
Speaker 2: that era has pushed technology to the truth because every
Speaker 2: single agent who was sticking to this you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm going to stick to this thing, they were looking
Speaker 2: for ways how to how to utilize on technology itself
Speaker 2: and how to you know, monetize to make it easier
Speaker 2: for them to sell the property. So ology became its
Speaker 2: own beast, its own entity, its own so to say,
Speaker 2: a being parallel towards the real estate industry. And people
Speaker 2: started slowly adapting towards technology on enormous ways. So technology
Speaker 2: grew up next to the whole market. Now you're coming
Speaker 2: with concepts like compass, compass and refkin, which is an amazing,
Speaker 2: amazing brain of a human. Like he saw that. He
Speaker 2: saw that tech is you know, future, and so did others,
Speaker 2: So did Zilo, so did so is Google right now,
Speaker 2: And it's becoming more and more relevant for you to
Speaker 2: use technology as a tool and making it so accessible
Speaker 2: and so easier to even the agents who are not
Speaker 2: tech savvy to actually utilize the sales. I remember when
Speaker 2: we brought when we build our own tech in a
Speaker 2: early twenty twenties, and I was going and it was
Speaker 2: this blockchain thing and people asking what is blockchain? Crypto
Speaker 2: was on top. Everyone was buying bitcoin, everyone's buying dodgecoin,
Speaker 2: everyone was buying all these coins. Everyone was making money.
Speaker 2: So agents themselves who were not so tech savvy, would
Speaker 2: automatically associate blockchain and all this new technology to bitcoin.
Speaker 2: As long as it was working and bitcoin was rising,
Speaker 2: so to say the crypto was rising, they will they
Speaker 2: were the biggest fan of the tech. The crypto started
Speaker 2: crashing down so much scan was happening, they were like
Speaker 2: then literally eliminating everything that they actually got associated with them.
Speaker 2: They didn't want to deal with this thing that even
Speaker 2: us had to bury, this whole amazing concept of transparency,
Speaker 2: security and transaction on global level and put the agents first,
Speaker 2: the human factor first, which for us actually helped us
Speaker 2: build this franchise. It was actually a blessing in disguise,
Speaker 2: adding human factor and adding you know, these whole agents
Speaker 2: on top of it to make us grow. Now Compas
Speaker 2: sees more in a second, we build something significant. We
Speaker 2: are expanding. We've been through throughout and straightforward to this
Speaker 2: whole real estate winter and crypto winter, and there is
Speaker 2: a light in the end. Of the tunnel. Why do
Speaker 2: we have to now really deal whatever the National Association
Speaker 2: of Realtors NAR is dictating, there is no point there,
Speaker 2: the same way people see MLS as the major platform
Speaker 2: dictating their own ways, and COMPUS said, Hey, I'm going
Speaker 2: to go and do it my own way, and this
Speaker 2: well with NAR, and that's why the lawsuits are start.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it is kind of interesting you're talking about this.
Speaker 1: What value do they add? And I remember when we
Speaker 1: bought a house in the early eighties and we were
Speaker 1: in Texas. We were buying a house in North Carolina,
Speaker 1: and we had an agent who did what you were
Speaker 1: talking about. They would physically go round to the different
Speaker 1: places and take you know, at the time, they had
Speaker 1: a you know, the early eighties, they had like a
Speaker 1: fax machine that would give them a text description only
Speaker 1: of this property and so they could look at it
Speaker 1: and see how many square feet it was and bedrooms
Speaker 1: and things like that, but they didn't have any way
Speaker 1: to actually transmit pictures. So they would go around and
Speaker 1: take pictures of it. That spend a lot of time
Speaker 1: looking at it and that type of thing, but and
Speaker 1: then narrowing it down, talking to us, narrowing it down,
Speaker 1: and then when we came to visit, they had a
Speaker 1: list of places that we could go look at. But
Speaker 1: since then I've been scratching my head and saying, you know,
Speaker 1: what do I really need an agent for? Because if
Speaker 1: we've got the capability to look at these listings online
Speaker 1: with pictures and all the rest of the stuff, I'm
Speaker 1: doing all the leg work actually fingerwork right looking at
Speaker 1: all these different things with the databases there, and what
Speaker 1: value are the agents really adding to any of that?
Speaker 1: And I think furthermore, when we look at it, probably
Speaker 1: the time is coming where you'd be able, not too
Speaker 1: far off off, somebody's going to put something in and
Speaker 1: let you do a virtual house tour that's going to
Speaker 1: be kind of three dimensional, right, and you won't need
Speaker 1: to physically go there. You get a very good idea
Speaker 1: of it. You'll still want to go probably and kick
Speaker 1: the tires, but being able to get a sense of
Speaker 1: the space and be able to move through it and
Speaker 1: that type of thing, I think that's probably the next
Speaker 1: thing that's coming. So the question, then, you know, is
Speaker 1: what function did these agents bring to it? And I
Speaker 1: think that's a key thing that's there. What you have
Speaker 1: now is an institution that was set up for different
Speaker 1: time when people didn't have that kind of information at
Speaker 1: their fingertips, and it's become an anachronism, I think. And
Speaker 1: so there's going to be a lot of changes. So
Speaker 1: when you look at as an international agency, talk to
Speaker 1: us about how it's different in other countries. In terms
Speaker 1: of the house buying experience in America.
Speaker 2: I think that as you just said, and you know,
Speaker 2: I completely agree with you, an agent had to come
Speaker 2: to you, fill up papers, sign here facts, it'll go
Speaker 2: show you drive year round. Oh my god, my first
Speaker 2: properties in the nineties. Actually I got tired. I got
Speaker 2: tired driving around with an agent who set everything up.
Speaker 2: I couldnot even imagine that I had to deal with
Speaker 2: this thing that I had to deal with a you know,
Speaker 2: seller's with sellers agent with escrivit title because the security
Speaker 2: and transparency through technology did not exist. Today, you sign
Speaker 2: everything with DOCU signed. You don't even have to go
Speaker 2: to notary anymore. There is ro o N, a remote
Speaker 2: online authorization that you and I can now really be
Speaker 2: with a third party notary public through a video call
Speaker 2: and authorize everything so I don't have to leave the house.
Speaker 2: The problem that this thing is still not there. It's
Speaker 2: the getting used to a factor. The same way it
Speaker 2: took you a long time to switch from a cab
Speaker 2: from a taxi into an uber, the same way it
Speaker 2: took you long time to switch from a BlackBerry too.
Speaker 2: An iPhone. You cannot even imagine not having like you know,
Speaker 2: likes to say, like a keyboard two type, like what
Speaker 2: is an iPhone? You were fighting it while technology was
Speaker 2: there and growing it more, people getting comfortable comfortable with
Speaker 2: dealing with their own thing. Now you're going to say,
Speaker 2: is five to six percent commission worth it for an
Speaker 2: agent to collect on a property that's been sold to
Speaker 2: an agent in today's today's age, today's society. Absolutely not,
Speaker 2: Absolutely not, because most of the work it's already been
Speaker 2: prepared by a seller. If the seller is really wants
Speaker 2: to put some effort, they can deal with watch may
Speaker 2: call it with title company, they can deal with with ASCRO,
Speaker 2: they can deal with an inspection. There is still this
Speaker 2: securing concept of a buyer not trusting the seller because
Speaker 2: it's not like you're buying something from your brother next door.
Speaker 2: You're buying through someone that do know. So that's why
Speaker 2: they're using these brokerages. Because brokerage is so to say,
Speaker 2: someone who guarantees that the process, that the legitimacy of
Speaker 2: the process is going to be completed, right, And that's
Speaker 2: when the seller and buyers are needing a third party.
Speaker 2: Generally speaking, if I will meet you now and we
Speaker 2: put something on a paper and it's like, okay, let's
Speaker 2: just be honest with each other, let's go through inspection together.
Speaker 2: Let's go through this together. We both can buy past
Speaker 2: five six percent commission. The only thing that's needed here
Speaker 2: is an escro, which is something that like until we
Speaker 2: submit all the paperwork is the main factor of holding
Speaker 2: the this transaction and the money agents. What I'm seeing
Speaker 2: where agents are needed. It's like in an art business.
Speaker 2: You know, it's easy for you to sell an emerging
Speaker 2: artists painting who now your show can showcase it. Look
Speaker 2: what it would I have go to one of these
Speaker 2: platforms and buy it, and you say, okay, great. When
Speaker 2: you are coming to a like Picassos, when you are
Speaker 2: coming to a Frida Carlos or Pollocks or those those
Speaker 2: really abstract or like very expensive collectors artists there worth
Speaker 2: millions and millions of dollars. You need millions of dollars
Speaker 2: equivalent buyers. Those guys they don't sit around, they don't
Speaker 2: look through zilo. They do not actually just you know,
Speaker 2: knock on doors. They need specific group of agents who
Speaker 2: are having buyers catalogs, who are having seller's catalogs, because
Speaker 2: these people have enough money to actually not deal with agents.
Speaker 2: And when a ten million dollar property with five percent
Speaker 2: commission costs half a million dollars out of a seller's pocket,
Speaker 2: it makes sense because the sale of a ten million
Speaker 2: or twenty million dollar mention was done faster. These individuals
Speaker 2: may always need some agents. But if I have a
Speaker 2: four hundred thousand dollars condo in I don't know, call
Speaker 2: it like Phoenix, Arizona. You know, I don't know why
Speaker 2: I need an agent for what is agent's going to do?
Speaker 2: The place is on the market. It's nothing as stravagant.
Speaker 2: As long as you get yourself alone and you can
Speaker 2: tell me that you're a proof of funds, I'm there
Speaker 2: to close the deal and to save us twenty grand.
Speaker 2: Why not? So those are the thing that I'm seeing
Speaker 2: agents being still part of some society down the road,
Speaker 2: versus like being associated with every single property on the market.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you're talking about the high end properties that
Speaker 1: it reminds me when I've been to Jackson Hall. I
Speaker 1: see the real estate dealers that are there, places like Sothaby's,
Speaker 1: you know, because you think of as a fine art
Speaker 1: auction house and because the property are so expensive, that's
Speaker 1: that's what they're doing. And actually using the analogy that
Speaker 1: you did, that you got somebody that is going to
Speaker 1: be connected to the very wealthy people who pay that
Speaker 1: kind of money for a home there in Jackson Holls.
Speaker 1: I agree with you with that, but in terms of
Speaker 1: the bread and butter stuff that is out there, the
Speaker 1: ordinary size homes, it's it's a huge commission to pay
Speaker 1: when there's not a lot of services that are being
Speaker 1: provided there. So tell us a little bit about your
Speaker 1: international real estate platform and how is that different than
Speaker 1: what we see that's out there right now? Have we
Speaker 1: lost him? Yeah? Okay, let's trying to reconnect. I think
Speaker 1: we've so we did. Yeah, that's right, Okay, we're back. Now.
Speaker 1: Let's say I said, so, tell us a little bit
Speaker 1: about your platform, Mobilium and it's the first international real
Speaker 1: estate platform. How does that operate that's different from what
Speaker 1: Americans are used to saying through real estate dot Com
Speaker 1: and Zillow and their local agents.
Speaker 2: Well as an American real estate industry, you're always kind
Speaker 2: of associate what's in your backyard, what's close to you.
Speaker 2: You know, I have friends of mine who I'm trying
Speaker 2: to sway over to buy amazing properties in like you know, Spain,
Speaker 2: in Greece, even Africa, to buy, you know, South America,
Speaker 2: amazing deals. Now with Maduro Gone in Venezuela, there are
Speaker 2: so many deals over there, and we all know that
Speaker 2: that Venezuela potentially where we have our operation, it's at
Speaker 2: one point is going to be probably like the most
Speaker 2: proper as prosperous country in South America. But like now
Speaker 2: convincing you, David to tell you, hey, why don't you
Speaker 2: buy a ten million dollar hotel in Isla Margaia, Venezuela.
Speaker 2: You would tell me in Sasha, this is all great,
Speaker 2: but I do not know anything about that area. And
Speaker 2: I tell you you, you're gonna make three times the
Speaker 2: money what you're gonna make in Los Angeles because national
Speaker 2: like increase in properties in California it's like ten percent
Speaker 2: versus let's say, what's happening overseas. You're gonna tell me, Sasha,
Speaker 2: I like my ten percent because I don't know the law,
Speaker 2: the rules are regulations or anything like that, versus something
Speaker 2: that could be overseas. Now this is coming from someone
Speaker 2: who is more stationary, located in the areas of your
Speaker 2: own so to say, a vicinity. But major companies, major investors,
Speaker 2: they don't buy anything in local they want to it's
Speaker 2: already over exaggerating. They wanted to actually buy something that's
Speaker 2: thirty cents on a dollar. And those are the guys
Speaker 2: that actually use us, or like any other major international franchise,
Speaker 2: is to purchase properties in you know, Saint Lucia, or
Speaker 2: purchase properties in different other countries with security, a transparency.
Speaker 2: So what we did we actually created technology that allows
Speaker 2: all this transaction to happen, connecting with the banking systems,
Speaker 2: connecting with converting crypto into a fiat. That's a major
Speaker 2: concept that some countries still do not accept you crypto payments,
Speaker 2: So we are converting them and you know, sending fiat
Speaker 2: which means dollars or euros into those countries. And of
Speaker 2: course securities. You know here you have in America almost
Speaker 2: by default inspection titles. We say like escrow in other
Speaker 2: countries you don't. So for you to just go and
Speaker 2: buy something in other countries, it's like a risk that
Speaker 2: you are taking unless you have somewhere there on around
Speaker 2: doing that leg work for you, doing this security for you.
Speaker 2: And what we actually have done we have so far
Speaker 2: one hundred and two global locations in sixty countries. So
Speaker 2: we syndicated boutique brokerages to be under our umbrella, to
Speaker 2: be under our franchise. We still gave them and we
Speaker 2: still told them to keep their own identity. That's another
Speaker 2: aspect of international way of thinking, Oh, you're going to
Speaker 2: come here as a predator, you're going to take my
Speaker 2: name away. It's not Travis Knight war now it's Remax.
Speaker 2: So we said, no, no, no, how about it's still
Speaker 2: Travis Knight And we just give you the roof over
Speaker 2: your head and technology to make you're more transparent to
Speaker 2: international buyers. And then you say, okay, great, I'm happy
Speaker 2: about that. Like it's it's a sensitive concept. But what
Speaker 2: we're doing, we are not just catering to an American
Speaker 2: buying something in Malta. What we are doing we are
Speaker 2: focusing or where the diaspora, the immigration is like focusing
Speaker 2: to access those centers. Well, let's say there is half
Speaker 2: a million Greeks living in Chicago, so pretty much they're
Speaker 2: going to be ninety nine percent buyers of the Greek
Speaker 2: properties in Greek islands or something like that. We're not
Speaker 2: going to force feed some American telling you buy this
Speaker 2: thing in artists. We're going to go to Greek communities.
Speaker 2: We're going to go to Grec cultural centers and say hey,
Speaker 2: we are here to help you buy something from back home,
Speaker 2: because eventually you may just go back, immigrate, retire, and
Speaker 2: be where you came from. And by starting that, we
Speaker 2: open those those doors, those pipelines where now even an
Speaker 2: Americans who have nothing to do with let's say Greece
Speaker 2: in general as an example, are willing to purchase properties there.
Speaker 2: And why because there's many incentives buying let's say properties
Speaker 2: in Europe. You can actually secure yourself an EU residency
Speaker 2: European residency by buying a two hundred and fifty thousand
Speaker 2: euros property or piece of real estate in Greece, and
Speaker 2: it gives you something which is called Golden visa, which
Speaker 2: is equivalent to like a green car in America, allows
Speaker 2: you to stay in Greece and it's a first step
Speaker 2: for you to become potentially a passport of European Union
Speaker 2: and immigrate over there. Other countries have similar concepts, similar
Speaker 2: plants like Malta, Portugal, Hungary, and so they're actually doing
Speaker 2: exactly the same that what America is doing and come here,
Speaker 2: invests money, stay here. Now they say, hey, why don't
Speaker 2: you move to Europe. You've been tired of American way
Speaker 2: of life, you know, immigrate over here and you can
Speaker 2: travel to you And so those are the ways that
Speaker 2: we have set up not just through Europe, in America,
Speaker 2: you know, Africa as well, and a bunch of other areas.
Speaker 1: I see, Yeah, that's that's kind of interesting. You know.
Speaker 1: Years ago, I remember John Davidson, who was with a
Speaker 1: National taxpayers union. One of the things he was saying was,
Speaker 1: you want to try to make sure you got what
Speaker 1: he called residential ambiguity. You know, am I really I
Speaker 1: have a footprint in several different countries. And he looked
Speaker 1: at it as a way of kind of keeping your
Speaker 1: foot in the door for freedom. You know, if it
Speaker 1: gets really bad in one area, you can get out.
Speaker 1: Of course, we've had a lot of people who have
Speaker 1: emigrated out of the United States because of things that
Speaker 1: they see happening here. Speaking of international situations, just as
Speaker 1: kind of an aside. I know this wasn't what you
Speaker 1: came on to talk about, but let's talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about Venezuela. Can you kind of give us a
Speaker 1: temperature reading as to what's going on there? How are
Speaker 1: people reacting to the situation that's happened after Maduro has
Speaker 1: been taken out.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm a dreamer. I'm a visionaire. I'm delusion. That's
Speaker 2: why I actually build my businesses like I just go
Speaker 2: and say, you know, whatever the hell kind of stays around.
Speaker 2: I have a good friend of mine. He his name
Speaker 2: is you know, he's one of the lawyer. I'm not
Speaker 2: going to mention it, but top lawyer in La and
Speaker 2: I was visiting in once and he is like in
Speaker 2: downtown and like probably like the whole building of lawyers,
Speaker 2: like sixty seventy lawyers, and they take like every case
Speaker 2: that comes towards them. And I go to him, Mark, Okay,
Speaker 2: well the cat is out of backs, and Mark, why
Speaker 2: all that? He goes Sasha, I throw everything against the wall,
Speaker 2: whatever it sticks, and you know that's actually kind of
Speaker 2: worths building. All my business, is all my life. But
Speaker 2: to jump to Venezuela. We went there when no one
Speaker 2: else did because I realized there's no competition. We went
Speaker 2: into Africa where everyone else is going out, and now
Speaker 2: I think we are the biggest Africa. Work were in
Speaker 2: sixteen countries, so so are we already positioned in Greenland?
Speaker 2: So we are already in Ukraine. When the war started,
Speaker 2: we went in Ukraine, we opened for locations. We know
Speaker 2: that that war is going to stop one day and
Speaker 2: we're going to have a position. Whennezuela was always controversial
Speaker 2: for us, and as you know, hopeful I was, I
Speaker 2: knew that I had to be pragmatic. I have to
Speaker 2: be realistic. What's the downsize and what's the downfall of
Speaker 2: things don't work out? And I saw that like we
Speaker 2: didn't do anything legal. We're just a real estate company,
Speaker 2: you know, being positioned there. But we knew that the
Speaker 2: population of Venezuela, that the whole, that the whole that
Speaker 2: area there, they needed an open door, they need to
Speaker 2: open gates needed. And I think that Baduro in general
Speaker 2: was more simpole than anything else. I don't think that
Speaker 2: he was a flexing muscles or or something like that,
Speaker 2: and the moment. You know, even prior to Maduros, we
Speaker 2: had deals that we were offering to people. They were scared.
Speaker 2: No one like one of my partners who's actually team
Speaker 2: a US citizen and he's like, Jude, you have to
Speaker 2: go there, and like do somethings. No, No, I'm scared.
Speaker 2: I'm going to get arrested. It's like nobody's going to
Speaker 2: arrestue man. Nobody cares trust me. But people were scared
Speaker 2: and they didn't want even look at at Venezuela as
Speaker 2: a vision and not even buy something. Now things have changed,
Speaker 2: so we have requests for land purchases. People are asking
Speaker 2: us where exactly the you know, oil revenees are when
Speaker 2: it comes to Venezuela. This area is going, this is
Speaker 2: it's that's it. It's stabilizing. It's going to become probably
Speaker 2: the most prosperous market in South America. It's going to dominate.
Speaker 2: You know. Some people say, you know, I missed my
Speaker 2: chance with Al Salvador and I want to mess with
Speaker 2: Venezuela because it's a prior that everyone was scared of
Speaker 2: those areas. So they say it's a Salvador, Panama. That
Speaker 2: those are the kind of like you know, tunnels they're
Speaker 2: building when it comes to wealth, when it comes to
Speaker 2: money making, and of course in its real estate. So
Speaker 2: most of people are not approaching us even still, they're
Speaker 2: like very candidly looking and cautiously looking at this area.
Speaker 2: But the smart investors are asking us about land purchases,
Speaker 2: commercial real estate purchases, hotels, anything that has a potential
Speaker 2: of accommodating the new way of so to say, migration.
Speaker 2: And who are the first in that line? Are exactly
Speaker 2: the industries that are going to participate the most. That's
Speaker 2: the oil industries, so that's required. It's close to the
Speaker 2: oil raffinerees oil like drilling drilling positions. Then the lands
Speaker 2: that are available to purchasing, you know, to build hotels,
Speaker 2: to build like pretty much like you know, housings for
Speaker 2: the first tier of immigrants who are going to be
Speaker 2: the workers for all these big oil companies next to
Speaker 2: it are now more and more interest not as kak
Speaker 2: as itself. I don't think that that area has any
Speaker 2: appealing concept unless you are bringing some business headquarters. But
Speaker 2: from a residential point of view, people are feeling more
Speaker 2: and more now confident looking into you know, islands there
Speaker 2: Venezuela and like Isla Margharita. It's between Kurasau and I
Speaker 2: see and I think Arubau these areas and because those
Speaker 2: are deals there that could be now turned into airbnbs,
Speaker 2: everything that Whene Souel I was missing for all these years,
Speaker 2: it's shifting down there. From a business.
Speaker 1: Perspective, Yeah, that was the amazing thing about Venezuela, by
Speaker 1: talking about the tremendous natural resources that they had and
Speaker 1: why this should be one of the wealthiest countries on Earth,
Speaker 1: and yet because of politics and other things like that,
Speaker 1: it really kept that from happening. So what you're doing
Speaker 1: is you're helping people to identify I guess we could
Speaker 1: say fixer upper economies that are there, not just a
Speaker 1: particular house in a particular neighborhood, but seeing where there's
Speaker 1: a region that is poised to really grow. I guess
Speaker 1: how would you advise people in terms of investing in
Speaker 1: real estate, especially internationally.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean not that I'm trying to put myself
Speaker 2: first in this game, absolutely not. I see that we
Speaker 2: are in the beginning stage of what we are going
Speaker 2: to be, especially with technology that you mentioned and you
Speaker 2: mentioned how AI now kind of can give you the
Speaker 2: whole scenario. And I was associating with this company that
Speaker 2: are Canadians and they moved to Dominican Republic and they
Speaker 2: built the software even four years ago that I was
Speaker 2: just starting and they were literally there, Rea isn't They
Speaker 2: did it because Dominican Republic has the biggest influx of
Speaker 2: Canadian immigrants. They live in Canada moving to the Medical
Speaker 2: Republic because it's one of the biggest economies in this
Speaker 2: whole Caribbean belt. And so they didn't know where to move.
Speaker 2: So they created the software in house, those couple of
Speaker 2: couple of programmers and they said, hey, I want to
Speaker 2: move to the Medical Republic, but you know, I have
Speaker 2: a father who is eighty years old and he cannot
Speaker 2: walk far enough, and I want to make sure there
Speaker 2: is a bench, you know, in front of the house,
Speaker 2: and sure that like there is no school close to it,
Speaker 2: because schools allowed. So they building software. What it does,
Speaker 2: it's actually searches seven billion points of like photos through
Speaker 2: good map and analyzes every single area where any house
Speaker 2: is for sale. So now when you have like when
Speaker 2: you go to a listing and you see you know,
Speaker 2: all these filters you see like, oh, I want a
Speaker 2: three bedroom house with like two bathrooms and accept dogs,
Speaker 2: and it's close to here and close to there, and
Speaker 2: you can look it on a map, but you don't
Speaker 2: know if there is like traffic light close to it
Speaker 2: or if it has this you know which schools. So
Speaker 2: pretty much you're going there and you see one segment,
Speaker 2: but not three days later it may bother you that
Speaker 2: there is kids there coming out of school every single
Speaker 2: day and you just put just three million of our house.
Speaker 2: So this software, even back then, can pretty much give
Speaker 2: you the whole scenario. You give the whole scenario where
Speaker 2: you should move, then it eliminates all the other listings
Speaker 2: in that area that would actually be a problematic for
Speaker 2: your way of life. Now imagine how far this thing
Speaker 2: is going to go, you know, coming down down the road,
Speaker 2: and that it's just going to help people move abroad.
Speaker 2: Moving award was a taboo, was something scaring, was something
Speaker 2: like I don't know if I make mistakes, we're gonna
Speaker 2: get scammed, absolutely scammed. That was the whole major aspect
Speaker 2: why we build that, And I remember sitting at our
Speaker 2: early stages in twenty twenties in Golden and one of
Speaker 2: the offices in Beverly Hills. We didn't even have an office.
Speaker 2: It was COVID banker's office in Beverly Hills and one
Speaker 2: of our friends was the GM there and he brought
Speaker 2: us there and we had like this thing called AMA
Speaker 2: like ask Me Anything, where people log in from around
Speaker 2: the world and ask us about our platform and about
Speaker 2: our concept and we try to impress who is who
Speaker 2: from the industry. There was like leaders from like Fidelity,
Speaker 2: leaders from like Sotta, the leader from everyone watching us,
Speaker 2: and more and more people were joining with questions. They
Speaker 2: were from Africa, from Nigeria or something like that. So
Speaker 2: I's got to be a biggot and not to take
Speaker 2: that question. So I took you know, one, two, three
Speaker 2: questions and at one point I was like, Okay, this
Speaker 2: is not looking good for me because I was hoping
Speaker 2: someone from London is going to join in and ask
Speaker 2: me how to buy a property in Beverly Hills or
Speaker 2: some talk you or how to buy property and let's
Speaker 2: say like I don't know, like Dubai. So I said,
Speaker 2: you know, let me double down on that. So I
Speaker 2: opened up a conversation with that individual, and the gentleman
Speaker 2: asked me, like, when are you guys going to open
Speaker 2: your location in Lagos, Nigeria. And I'm like, okay, I
Speaker 2: don't even know where that is, you know, so I'm
Speaker 2: googoring while I'm talking. I was like, okay, I say it.
Speaker 2: And I asked him, I'm not sure, sir, we're going
Speaker 2: to look for it. We're just opening now those big
Speaker 2: metropolitan area as Barcelona, this and that. And I asked him,
Speaker 2: but I don't understand how we would make money, and
Speaker 2: then he goes, we do not trust our own family
Speaker 2: sending money to put as a down payment. Imagine sending
Speaker 2: money to an agent who is somewhere there and with
Speaker 2: the idea that it's going to be safe because they
Speaker 2: don't have escrows ound there. They don't have things like
Speaker 2: we have in America, which is beauty of money security.
Speaker 2: And that was this aham moment when I asked him,
Speaker 2: but who is actually buying most of these prices? He goes,
Speaker 2: our immigrants are they aspora who are all over the world,
Speaker 2: And that was just like, you know, run opening a
Speaker 2: door for us, how to position ourselves and how to
Speaker 2: actually assist the buyers. And from that end, everything went
Speaker 2: on the other direction, which means then wet at allocating
Speaker 2: where an American who would love to retire can move
Speaker 2: without any hesitation or any kind of warriors that his
Speaker 2: or her money is going to be stolen, the transaction
Speaker 2: is going to be done. You know that the property
Speaker 2: is going to be as they said, especially for a
Speaker 2: reason of no ascrow, especially a reason that there is
Speaker 2: properties they are not in register like here. As much
Speaker 2: as we complain about nar nar or composts doing one thing,
Speaker 2: or zeal or whatever, are the most secure real estate
Speaker 2: market in the world because real estate in America it's
Speaker 2: commodity in a world. It's something that people go there,
Speaker 2: they buy and they sell people here. No, they're going
Speaker 2: to stick here for next twenty thirty years. They have
Speaker 2: a value. The prices are going to go even if
Speaker 2: inflation is you know, going to eat some of these appreciations.
Speaker 2: So to say it's still going to be valuable twenty
Speaker 2: years later that like your kids can inherit it versus
Speaker 2: in a world when you have to have tons of components,
Speaker 2: they're going to help you out. So we positioned those components,
Speaker 2: we positioned those tools, and we are pretty much the
Speaker 2: most transparent platform and concept around that for any kind
Speaker 2: of purchases, doesn't matter if it's residential, commercial, hotels, casinos, islands,
Speaker 2: name it. We are there to assist.
Speaker 1: Well imagine most Americans, you know, most of us. So
Speaker 1: it's not in the market for a casino that's Trump family,
Speaker 1: I guess, but the most of us are not the
Speaker 1: market for that. But there might still be reasons for
Speaker 1: us to do investment abroad. Of advice would you offer
Speaker 1: for people who are kind of middle class in America?
Speaker 2: There is there's a lot of incentives. Everyone loves Americans,
Speaker 2: as much as there could be rhetoric about that, everyone
Speaker 2: loves American money.
Speaker 1: M hm.
Speaker 2: You know, so there is there is areas that you
Speaker 2: have to feel comfortable, like, you know, there's people that
Speaker 2: you know, we saw properties in Mauritius. You know that.
Speaker 2: Actually it's growing exponentially. Used to be just an island
Speaker 2: where the main source of GDP was agriculture, but now
Speaker 2: they change to the industry and they're making it now
Speaker 2: more to change it to like tourism, changing changing towards
Speaker 2: like you know, opening doors to more migrants coming there,
Speaker 2: retiring over there. It's it's it's much more affordable lifestyle.
Speaker 2: So people ask, okay, what are pros and cons to
Speaker 2: go there? And once there is a wave of developments,
Speaker 2: there is many deals, you know, so the point is
Speaker 2: what are you buying this thing for? Are you buying
Speaker 2: these property so you can rent it out and have
Speaker 2: yourself some kind of like passive income, or are you
Speaker 2: buying this thing to move there and live there? And
Speaker 2: that all depends on particular buyer. You know, if people
Speaker 2: want to retire and they want to have like more
Speaker 2: affordable way of life, because you know, if they have
Speaker 2: any four to one K, it doesn't matter. Let's call
Speaker 2: it the four to one K. It's five hundred thousand dollars,
Speaker 2: then a thousand dollars in America, it's not going to
Speaker 2: last much longer if you're trying it too different areas. Now,
Speaker 2: what they had was something close to them. They were
Speaker 2: moved to Mexico. Then we maybe moved to Caribbean Island
Speaker 2: somewhere they were associating. They never talked about moving to
Speaker 2: South America, moving to you know, Indian Ocean area like Mouritus, say, Shells,
Speaker 2: all these areas or Europe. So we the deals there
Speaker 2: are significant and I think that especially with options for
Speaker 2: you as an individual residential buyer, which is not the
Speaker 2: case in America, to purchase a condo, a house and
Speaker 2: secure yourself a residency, which can open the door for
Speaker 2: the rest of the European countries, for example. It's an
Speaker 2: appealing incentive and it's something that drives people to invest more,
Speaker 2: more and more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and of course I hear more and more from
Speaker 1: people who have lived abroad. They just can't believe how
Speaker 1: expensive everything is here in America. So that's one of
Speaker 1: the key things is driving people even for retirement. You
Speaker 1: know that they still have their social Security or whatever,
Speaker 1: but they can actually live off of it if they
Speaker 1: go to another country. I guess you see that a lot.
Speaker 2: No, no, correct, but you know what it is unless
Speaker 2: you're there. You know, most of the people, let's take
Speaker 2: let's generalize the American society and ninety nine percent of
Speaker 2: the people who ever left this country. There's people who
Speaker 2: never did who ever left this country. Most of them
Speaker 2: they went on a vacation trip two three weeks and.
Speaker 1: Very structured everything, the guided tour. Yeah exactly, so.
Speaker 2: Maybe they went first time. They say, you know what,
Speaker 2: let me test Greece. One more time and let me
Speaker 2: test pain. After three or four times, you said, you
Speaker 2: know what, it's actually really beautiful here, so how can
Speaker 2: I live here? However, they never end up staying there
Speaker 2: longer than a couple of months and kind of acclimatizing
Speaker 2: themselves to the society and me being European, I'm actually
Speaker 2: coming from Switzerland. I understand how easy to come to
Speaker 2: America and adjust to the American way of life. It's
Speaker 2: not a tourism. You have to stay here. You have
Speaker 2: to deal with problems, deal with issues, deal with like,
Speaker 2: you know, fixing yourself, like you know, work permits, Like
Speaker 2: it was a concept thirty years ago that I have
Speaker 2: to endure and go there. I didn't just come here's
Speaker 2: a tourist. So the shoe is on another foot for
Speaker 2: an American to say, Okay, I'm not going to go
Speaker 2: there as a tourist anymore. I'm gonna go there and stay.
Speaker 2: So how can I do that? You know, how much
Speaker 2: money do I need? What are my options? And in
Speaker 2: comparing to America, in order for you to live here,
Speaker 2: you have to be an extraordinary person to get like
Speaker 2: all one wiza, or or to bring up business, to
Speaker 2: invest into a business, to get like this EB five
Speaker 2: or E two WIZA or you know, get a green
Speaker 2: card and stuff like that. There is situations. They are
Speaker 2: on a table, but they are much more complex. Europe
Speaker 2: offers incentives that you can buy a condo and secure
Speaker 2: yourself a residency. Now that investment is yours. You're not
Speaker 2: going to lose it. Here in America, if you spend
Speaker 2: let's say two hundred thousand dollars on a business, that's
Speaker 2: going to secure you a residency for a couple of years.
Speaker 2: If your business goes down, you lost money. You know,
Speaker 2: you lost a hundred thousand dollars and you're going with nothing.
Speaker 2: In Europe, you can actually buy a property, get you know,
Speaker 2: a residency, and let you explore if that country is
Speaker 2: really for you, if Europe is really for you. Worst
Speaker 2: case scenario, you're going to say, you know what, I've
Speaker 2: been here two three years. I'm going to go back
Speaker 2: to America. I still have my European residency and guess what,
Speaker 2: I have a property over there that I may rent
Speaker 2: even if I'm not there, or I can sell it
Speaker 2: and get my money back. Those are social differences between
Speaker 2: moving from America to Europe hypothetically and vice versas.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Yeah, So this year, what do you see
Speaker 1: happening in real estate? This year? Kind of the economy
Speaker 1: has been there's a lot of clouds hanging over the economy.
Speaker 1: People concerned about what's going to happen with the AI
Speaker 1: bubble and if that thing is going to bust. What
Speaker 1: do you see happening with real estate?
Speaker 2: Then real estate it's finally coming to its senses. So
Speaker 2: all these people are realizing, especially the sellers one and
Speaker 2: those prices of like, you know, millions of dollars my
Speaker 2: property is jumping left and right and gonna stick with it.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna sell it. It's not going to work.
Speaker 2: You know, you have to come down with your prices.
Speaker 2: The reason is that the interest rates, even though as
Speaker 2: much as they fall down, they're here to stay this
Speaker 2: now six six and a half, that's it. That's the
Speaker 2: bottom six percent. It's the new three percent. You know,
Speaker 2: it's never gonna go down again. I hope it's never,
Speaker 2: because then we in crisis. Each time an interestate's going
Speaker 2: to like literally under anything that government can borrow, you know,
Speaker 2: it means like they need to reset the market. That's
Speaker 2: why they offer those interest rates in twenty twenties to
Speaker 2: keep the you know this whole country alive and purchased
Speaker 2: the pro at three percent in twenty twenty at a
Speaker 2: half of the price value right now, should be crazy
Speaker 2: to sell it. Why would you? Because even if you
Speaker 2: cash out certain you know gains, what are you going
Speaker 2: to do with that money? You're going to go back
Speaker 2: on a market and buy something with more like you
Speaker 2: know APR and with a higher price. You're not going
Speaker 2: to if you're going to stick to what you have.
Speaker 2: That's why there is more properties on a market for
Speaker 2: sale than a buyers But these properties they were pass
Speaker 2: the three or four percent interest rates. Anyone who's selling
Speaker 2: a property now so that you know it's either refinancing
Speaker 2: from a ten percent to six or is getting rid
Speaker 2: of it because it was just a vision for that
Speaker 2: individual to flip it at one point of time. Since
Speaker 2: there is a buyers market and buyers dictating the tempo,
Speaker 2: you know, the properties prices are going to go down
Speaker 2: for sure, twenty to thirty percent from whatever it is
Speaker 2: right now, and the buyers on the other end are
Speaker 2: going to understand that six percent. That said, I can
Speaker 2: never go cheaper than that. I have to figure out
Speaker 2: how to purchase this. The biggest problems they are coming
Speaker 2: along are not even the prices of the properties or
Speaker 2: interest rates, it's insurance. The insurance prices.
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially in California for example.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, oh my, anything you touch it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter if you want to ensure your own puppy.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like two percent. I'm not even talking
Speaker 2: about house because the major insurance companies, especially with Pacific polictates,
Speaker 2: fires and all the things that happened you know, last year,
Speaker 2: they literally exoduced California. It's becoming a danger zone. It's
Speaker 2: becoming something that they're definitely going to go in bankrupt.
Speaker 2: So whoever stayed raised the premiums through the roof. And
Speaker 2: if you do not pay attention that, even on a
Speaker 2: national you know, nationwide you know base, you may end
Speaker 2: up paying like double interest rates because if the house
Speaker 2: is now you know, paying almost half of your mortgage
Speaker 2: on insurance, you're gonna think twice if you're gonna buy
Speaker 2: this house.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, how does that compare internationally? I mean
Speaker 1: if if you go to some of these countries are
Speaker 1: not even in a developing area, but even in Europe,
Speaker 1: what is the insurance situation like there.
Speaker 2: Insurance itself, as I said, in America, who the hell
Speaker 2: knows what's going to happen. And I'm sorry to use
Speaker 2: this world h ell, but I think that once this
Speaker 2: whole economy cannot settle down, everything else is going to
Speaker 2: settle down, and people are taking too much advantages. It's
Speaker 2: just one of those do never let the good crisis
Speaker 2: go to waste situation that the big corporations and big
Speaker 2: companies are. I mean, there is no reason for you
Speaker 2: to pay thousand dollars a month on you car. You know,
Speaker 2: in jurance there's for that, you know, but they don't
Speaker 2: give you an option. So at one point this all
Speaker 2: has to legalize as to come to certain terms that
Speaker 2: otherwise it won't be sustainable. Now, when it comes to
Speaker 2: real estate itself, as I said, it's it's a tree
Speaker 2: that has too many rotten apples, too many rules of regulations.
Speaker 2: Technology is going full speed. I remember even back in
Speaker 2: the days I mentioned in an earlier part of the interview,
Speaker 2: like something like ro o N Remote online authorization was
Speaker 2: taboo in most of the states because not a republic,
Speaker 2: it's an industry on its own.
Speaker 1: So like guilds that they've got like a union or
Speaker 1: a guild or something, and they protect their little territory there, right,
Speaker 1: So that's why.
Speaker 2: They were making tons of money. And let's say, and
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm not gonna give you the wrong the
Speaker 2: wrong data, but let's say two years ago, out of
Speaker 2: fifty states, thirty one had remote online authorization options because
Speaker 2: of the COVID shifted this whole technology to be you know, acceptable,
Speaker 2: Let's say states didn't and that's California. So anywhere else
Speaker 2: we could have finished the deal that like I'm in
Speaker 2: California and you're in New York and I can buy
Speaker 2: your property like literally with a camera, like, oh, this
Speaker 2: is it. And in California, no, the present of a
Speaker 2: not republic, which means you have to fly from New
Speaker 2: York to do that. So technology, I think it's taking charge.
Speaker 2: And once certain rules and regulations come into a place,
Speaker 2: and especially with crypto situation, I think it's going to
Speaker 2: be parabolic because all that part of this blockchain, all
Speaker 2: the part that has been built that's not it, it's
Speaker 2: not legit, it's just not acceptable to the society, to
Speaker 2: the regulatory systems. Once it's set in Stone. It's going
Speaker 2: to be an open market for tech to be a
Speaker 2: dominant part, and then brokerages and agents are going to
Speaker 2: come there as a tool. So it's going to flip
Speaker 2: the switch here tech is a tool. A few years
Speaker 2: from now, agents and humans are going to be the
Speaker 2: tool towards technology.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Yeah, we were talking about insurance, and of
Speaker 1: course that comes into the bigger issue of affordability. And
Speaker 1: you know, we have a very expensive prices here in America.
Speaker 1: Our insurance is very high. How does that compare to
Speaker 1: like Europe and some developing markets in terms of insurance.
Speaker 2: I think that the durance in general, and on seeing
Speaker 2: some other countries, you know, it's jumped everywhere because you know,
Speaker 2: be talking about the economies, we're tanking. You know, the
Speaker 2: whole interst rates were jumping, so everything kind of went
Speaker 2: with it. But here in America, it's more about shares
Speaker 2: for the shareholder and price per share earnings, and the
Speaker 2: more they generate, the more the money the stock market
Speaker 2: is going to make. It's close to the level in Europe.
Speaker 2: Why because America has its own one system rules, where
Speaker 2: in Europe, even though you're part of European Union, every
Speaker 2: single country has their own rules and regulations. So the
Speaker 2: endurance they are in Switzerland and the raids are not
Speaker 2: the same that are in Germany or or like let's
Speaker 2: say France or Portugal. They are based on the local economies.
Speaker 2: Here in America, even though we have states and they
Speaker 2: are kind of independent, but at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: certain rates, they're federalized and they're pushing it across the board.
Speaker 2: In Europe, it's like they have to adjust to each other.
Speaker 2: That like, because if one country that's part of pm
Speaker 2: Union cannot keep up with the other country because it's
Speaker 2: less prosperous, so they are they are helping the less
Speaker 2: prosperous country not to pull the whole European Union down.
Speaker 2: And that's why the control it's more towards regional aspect
Speaker 2: towards this global European or international aspects.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. Let's talk a little bit about what you
Speaker 1: do with your company, and of course i'll just spell
Speaker 1: this out for people. The name is I M M
Speaker 1: O B I L I U M A Mobilium okay,
Speaker 1: and people dot com and people can find out what
Speaker 1: kind of a service do you provide them in terms
Speaker 1: of taking all your expertise and experience in these different
Speaker 1: markets together. What is it that they find from your corporation.
Speaker 2: Sure, First of all, it's spelled it's spelled Immobilium dot
Speaker 2: io I as an ilan o because it's a tech companies.
Speaker 1: Okay dot com yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: Well we from a tech perspective, we secure fastest way
Speaker 2: of purchasing property where you literally if everything is intact,
Speaker 2: you can buy it, like as if you were on
Speaker 2: Amazon buying shoes, so on both events, like with one
Speaker 2: click purchase. That's our model. Like you know, if we
Speaker 2: have something now in Spain, let's say in Bits, and
Speaker 2: there is a property there, so what we do. We
Speaker 2: already pre vet this property. We do inspections, we collect
Speaker 2: documentations like from a seller's it's already done. It's like
Speaker 2: a product. We're putting it on a platform. So there
Speaker 2: is no reason for you now to fly to Spain
Speaker 2: to check this property. There is no reason for you
Speaker 2: to deal with six weeks ascro do diligence research. We
Speaker 2: did all that prior putting it on a property. So
Speaker 2: the buyer comes and see, oh this is ready to go.
Speaker 2: We are not wasting time. So let me conclude this transaction.
Speaker 2: And so that's one aspect, you know, assuring that that product,
Speaker 2: as in real estate, as a product, it's ready to go,
Speaker 2: because that's the only one asset in the world that
Speaker 2: actually it's not. There is no option to buy it
Speaker 2: as you're buying.
Speaker 1: You know, shoes, right, but it's encumbered with a lot
Speaker 1: of technicalities you know well.
Speaker 2: And the reason is why because the real estate it's
Speaker 2: part of the local economy. It's almost a commodity. It's
Speaker 2: you're paying taxes, you know, the government owns the land.
Speaker 2: Like there's so much there that you cannot just buy
Speaker 2: real estate or we have to do background check. We're
Speaker 2: doing ama anti money laundry KYC. Knowing your customers. So
Speaker 2: even our buyers have to be known. So we can
Speaker 2: make it much much easier for the seller to accept
Speaker 2: that transactional ap purchase. And so we open these doors
Speaker 2: that people go all around, they come to us. Okay,
Speaker 2: let's let us close this transaction to you guys, because
Speaker 2: you have so to say, troops on the ground in
Speaker 2: Spain helping us out that we do not have to
Speaker 2: fly to Spain to actually check the property. Someone over there.
Speaker 2: It's going to do all this thing for us all
Speaker 2: the diligence, all the necessity of this transaction, and I'm
Speaker 2: still here in California. Now we went so far that like,
Speaker 2: you don't even have to ever fly to Spain to
Speaker 2: buy these properties. If you want, we can do all
Speaker 2: the documentations online for you. But if you will, that's
Speaker 2: the icing on a cake. You go there to pick
Speaker 2: up your keys, so you don't have to fly going
Speaker 2: back and forth and waste time.
Speaker 1: Not just that.
Speaker 2: Whenever you go to Europe, whenever you go to any
Speaker 2: other countries, most of the time you go on vacation,
Speaker 2: You're not going to go and spend two three weeks
Speaker 2: looking for our properties. Relax, and when you go back,
Speaker 2: you never went to any cone as a tourist and say,
Speaker 2: oh my god, how many days we have for let's
Speaker 2: just go buy something. These things don't happen and go
Speaker 2: back and you say, I loved Spain. I want to
Speaker 2: go back there. I want us to leave. What's the
Speaker 2: next step? And then the steps is like, well, let
Speaker 2: me call some local agency in Spain most of these
Speaker 2: ages and maybe even speak English, and you just this
Speaker 2: whole dream of moving abroad collapses for you. It's becoming
Speaker 2: too complicated. But as we do all the diligence prior
Speaker 2: with assisting and helping you as the buyer, have the
Speaker 2: smoothest possible concept available.
Speaker 1: That's very interesting. There's one other thing too, in terms
Speaker 1: of affordability. You know, one of the trends that we
Speaker 1: see happening here in the United States is there's a
Speaker 1: lot of states and a lot of talk by politicians
Speaker 1: about eliminating property taxes. And what is the property tax
Speaker 1: situation that you typically see, let's say in the EU.
Speaker 1: Are that pretty high? I would imagine.
Speaker 2: Each country has their own rules and regulations, each their
Speaker 2: own taxes, each country has their own availability or allowance
Speaker 2: who can purchase properties, So there is no general rule.
Speaker 2: And to be honest with you, with that said, even
Speaker 2: the way and timelines how long can it take for
Speaker 2: you to to actually purchase property are? You know, are
Speaker 2: not set in stone like And that's the taxes in
Speaker 2: let's say, in Switzerland are much more different than the
Speaker 2: taxes in Germany. Uh, the regulations are different. Like let's say,
Speaker 2: if you want to buy properties in Switzerland, and though
Speaker 2: Switzerland is not part of European Union, but let's just
Speaker 2: say it has the same structure you cannot be just
Speaker 2: an individual. You know, they don't want to deflate the market.
Speaker 2: They don't want to work with you know, flipping properties
Speaker 2: like you're doing in America and one day will sell
Speaker 2: it tomorrow. You know, they're over protective towards their own
Speaker 2: towards their own society. And you know, like I'm speaking,
Speaker 2: let's say of Israel. Let's say it's becoming so difficult,
Speaker 2: like okay, regardless of the current situation, but even prior
Speaker 2: to that, in order for you to purchase something in Israel.
Speaker 2: And I'm you know, I might be wrong exactly the concept.
Speaker 2: I don't know everything the top of my head. You
Speaker 2: have to send money to three different parties. You have
Speaker 2: to send you know, partial partial purchase goes to a seller,
Speaker 2: partial purchase goes to someone who is something like escro
Speaker 2: It's between a notary public and a lawyer. And a
Speaker 2: partial purchase goes to the government. And then ask yourself
Speaker 2: why the government Because the government has to collect taxes,
Speaker 2: but they don't have a fixed tax system, so they're
Speaker 2: going to keep that money until they figure out how
Speaker 2: much the seller actually owns them money. So situations like
Speaker 2: this just push the buyer away because it's becoming too complicated.
Speaker 2: The good thing is that many of these countries set
Speaker 2: offer incentives through these taxes, and it's it's helpful because
Speaker 2: it makes you think twice where you should spend your
Speaker 2: money or your retirement money on, you know, before you
Speaker 2: say it's about time for me to stop with work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well that is something that is becoming increasingly common,
Speaker 1: I think for Americans to start looking abroad in terms
Speaker 1: of how they can afford to live after they retire.
Speaker 1: But as you point out, it's a very complicated system,
Speaker 1: and that really is interesting that you've stepped into that
Speaker 1: as an information resource and kind of a sherpa. I
Speaker 1: guess if somebody is going to take a long journey,
Speaker 1: that's a very important service.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's if I may just you know, you know,
Speaker 2: cut you off. We mentioned casinos, we mentioned shopping centers,
Speaker 2: you mentioned stuff like that, and it's out there there.
Speaker 2: It's twenty cents, thirty cents on a dollar. They need
Speaker 2: buyers and now talking about something like that, it's not
Speaker 2: limited to just group of people, and they could be
Speaker 2: syndication of us buying something in Europe that can actually
Speaker 2: be our investment, not just our place to go and leave,
Speaker 2: or to potentially putting on Airbnb. But you sit here,
Speaker 2: you limited what you have in front of you, You
Speaker 2: let what you have in your vicinity. You may eventually
Speaker 2: change the state, you know, because you still want to
Speaker 2: go and check it out, back and forth. But buying
Speaker 2: a casino in Cyprus, like you know, which is part
Speaker 2: between Greece and Turkey, and it's an amazing deal even
Speaker 2: if you want it. It was like, you know, THEMN
Speaker 2: how are going to do that? You know they have deals,
Speaker 2: especially after Corona when you know they destroy the whole
Speaker 2: market they were aband and hotels, abandoned shopping centers that
Speaker 2: they were, They would they would love to sell to someone,
Speaker 2: but the capital is limited in Europe. So this is
Speaker 2: where we're opening a door. Even for commercial real estate,
Speaker 2: Hey what do you need? You know we buy it
Speaker 2: for closures, abandoned projects. This is where this major key
Speaker 2: is that like residential buyers and our each jaw can
Speaker 2: potentially buy because it's cheaper. I hate this work, cheaper,
Speaker 2: more affordable in Europe. In Europe you can buy I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm not even kidding. In Europe, you can buy a
Speaker 2: hotel in Athens, Grace for four million dollars that already
Speaker 2: is working well and generating you return on investment stuff
Speaker 2: like that. It's so appealing. I mean, what's four million
Speaker 2: dollars for, you know, people to take a long couple
Speaker 2: of friends and buy a hotel. I mean it's everyone's
Speaker 2: dream and then even move there or just rent it out.
Speaker 2: But you just how not going to do that? That's
Speaker 2: that's the biggest concept.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing. Well, thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 1: It really has been fascinating to kind of get a
Speaker 1: picture of that. And again, the company is I M,
Speaker 1: M O B I L I U M and Mobilium
Speaker 1: and io dot io. Yes, thank you so much, Sasha Papak,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us and giving us
Speaker 1: a view of what's happening in the rest of the
Speaker 1: world as we look at real estate and economies that
Speaker 1: are happening there. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2: It was nice being invited. I love your studio, you
Speaker 2: know environment, it looks amazing. I'm big listening to you
Speaker 2: and you are much more pleasant, so to say, almost
Speaker 2: like a virtual person than like just listening.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you very much. I appreciate that. Have a
Speaker 1: good day. Thank you well. Certainly technology is changing. Everything
Speaker 1: is changing it at a very quick pace, and I
Speaker 1: want to get his perspective as somebody who knows the
Speaker 1: America market but also knows other markets and has that perspective.
Speaker 1: We're going to see these institutions that have been around
Speaker 1: for a very long time. They've outgrown, well not outgrown,
Speaker 1: but the technology has outgrown the way that we actually
Speaker 1: buy and sell houses. So we're going to see a
Speaker 1: lot of change in that. But the bottom line is
Speaker 1: Class Schwab has got it right. You will own nothing
Speaker 1: as long as we've got property taxes. That's one thing
Speaker 1: that we need to work on here in America to
Speaker 1: make sure we actually can own property or they will
Speaker 1: take it from us with that. So I hope you
Speaker 1: found that interesting. Thank you for joining us. Have a
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