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<v Speaker 1>For what's developing.

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<v Speaker 2>This is just developing out of the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 1>Now right now, it's developing.

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<v Speaker 3>Fifty five KRC the Talk station. It's at five, the

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<v Speaker 3>the hour, latest on Russia, Ukraine, you'ran and Israel in

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<v Speaker 3>the meantime.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the fifty five KRC Morning Show. Bradley J.

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<v Speaker 3>Bradley J. It's always a pleasure talking with you, Brian.

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<v Speaker 2>It's great to be with you. Like going on in Washington, for.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, Yeah, there is, you know, if you're a betting man,

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<v Speaker 3>and we'll dive into some of the details of what's

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<v Speaker 3>going on there. But they're still bickering over the amendments

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<v Speaker 3>in the Senate. We don't have agreement among the Republicans,

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<v Speaker 3>and obviously the Republicans are apparently setting up to be

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<v Speaker 3>their own worst nightmare.

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<v Speaker 1>If you're a betting man right now, do you think

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<v Speaker 1>this thing's gonna actually pass.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gosh, you put me on the spot right at

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<v Speaker 2>the beginning. But I do think it's going to pass.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they're going to find a way. It's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be rocky. Right now. There appear to be four

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<v Speaker 2>holdouts in the Senate for Republican holdouts, they can only

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<v Speaker 2>lose three, so they're trying to entice a couple to

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<v Speaker 2>switch over. Will they be able to do it? What

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<v Speaker 2>will it take. We're already twenty three hours into this

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<v Speaker 2>amendment voter rama, so there's been a lot of drama.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of it has taken place off camera in those

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<v Speaker 2>smoke filled back rooms of the Senate, but it is

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<v Speaker 2>It is tense, there's no doubt.

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<v Speaker 3>Well and what really bothers me, and this is when

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<v Speaker 3>people's political stripe is truly revealed. Lisa Murkowski, for example,

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<v Speaker 3>from Alaska. One of the things she's complaining about is

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<v Speaker 3>one of the obstructionists on this thing moving forward is

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<v Speaker 3>the medicaid and nutritional assistance cuts in the bill. And

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<v Speaker 3>also she's pushing for slower phase outs of clean energy

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<v Speaker 3>tax credits. That's the part that irks me. You'd think

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<v Speaker 3>the Republicans will uniformly embrace the idea of phasing out

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<v Speaker 3>those clean energy tax credits because it's a big boondoggle.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, those energy companies wouldn't exist but for the

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<v Speaker 3>tax credits anyway, Who wouldn't be chasing our tail trying

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<v Speaker 3>to pursue a carbon neutral world, which is impossible. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>your your thoughts on the energy tax credits alone, Bradley.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they say there are three political parties in DC, Republicans, Democrats,

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<v Speaker 2>and appropriators. Lisa Murkowski is an appropriator. Her entire government

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<v Speaker 2>philosophy is what can I do to bring home as

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<v Speaker 2>much bacon to Alaska and to please my donors. When

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<v Speaker 2>Biden passed those Green New Deal tax credits and actually

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<v Speaker 2>started handed him out, he was very smart. He gave

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<v Speaker 2>maybe around two thirds of them out in Republican states,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's I mean, it's a golden handcut. You get these,

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<v Speaker 2>you would think conservative states and a lot of conservative

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<v Speaker 2>politicians addicted to that federal money and they don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to give it up. Murkowski definitely falls in that camp. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>this is a mature industry. We've been subsidizing wind and

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<v Speaker 2>We need to get rid of that. Murkowski needs to

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<v Speaker 2>get on board.

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<v Speaker 3>Amen to that. Brother couldn't argue with that on that point.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, I go from the philosophy. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>great ideas don't need coercion, and much in the same way,

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<v Speaker 3>great ideas don't need tax credits. If it's a good idea,

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to pursue it because it's in your best interest.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is clearly not a direction we would normally

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<v Speaker 1>One of the.

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<v Speaker 3>Things that may happen if they lose in more than

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<v Speaker 3>the bill can't pass, you can buy Senator Ran Paul

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<v Speaker 1>Is that possible?

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<v Speaker 2>In your eye, it's a possibility. Trump will be livid.

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<v Speaker 2>The Democrats would have so much leverage for the rest

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<v Speaker 2>So it would be so beneficial if Republicans could actually

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<v Speaker 2>get this off the table right now through the midterms. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>most Republicans disagree with the Congressional Budget Office, which I've

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<v Speaker 2>written about. It just has a long history of promoting

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<v Speaker 2>Democrat objectives and belittling Republicans and just being totally wrong

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<v Speaker 2>on all its budgetary projections. But a lot of Republicans

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<v Speaker 2>think that despite what the CBO says about the deficits

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<v Speaker 2>in this bill, that because of Trump's tariffs, we're actually

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<v Speaker 2>going to see the economy grow significantly. Uh So the

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<v Speaker 2>debt the debt limit will not be as big of

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<v Speaker 2>a deal as it has been in the past. Uh

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<v Speaker 2>But look, the bottom line is they've got to find

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<v Speaker 2>a way to get this done. You have to secure

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<v Speaker 2>the borders. Uh or and and and do all this

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<v Speaker 2>other stuff to protect the country or else we're not

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<v Speaker 2>even the deaths it won't even matter. What what What

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<v Speaker 2>does their deficit matter if you've turned into a third

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<v Speaker 2>world country. Uh So I think that because of everything

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<v Speaker 2>uh what it does on taxes, goodness gracious. Uh, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that they've got to find a way to get

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<v Speaker 2>this done. Uh preferably by extending the debt limit a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit further. But we'll see if they have to

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<v Speaker 2>uh do that to get Paul on board. Ideally not

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<v Speaker 2>I think that they'll be able to get Murkowski on board.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm glad you bought up the CBO scoring and

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<v Speaker 3>I agree with your your criticians of the cb CB.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't understand. It's like the alchemy, your piece god

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<v Speaker 3>ten years hence you know what this is ultimately going

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<v Speaker 3>to be by way of financial impact. But one of

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<v Speaker 3>the things I heard by way of criticism is that,

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<v Speaker 3>at least as I understood it, and Bradley Jay, if

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<v Speaker 3>you could help me, and if I'm misunderstanding it, the

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<v Speaker 3>CBO is viewing the extension of the Trump tax cuts

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<v Speaker 3>bringing as much money as we would had the twenty

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<v Speaker 3>seventeen tax cuts not been a part of it. So

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<v Speaker 3>they're viewing it from the lens of pre twenty seventeen

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<v Speaker 3>we are currently enjoying right now. Is that's have some

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<v Speaker 3>measure of accuracy in your mind baseball on what I've

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<v Speaker 2>Well, a lot of the discussion right now, and Democrats

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<v Speaker 2>be scored. The twenty seventeen tax credits are set to

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<v Speaker 2>expire at the end of this year. When you are

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<v Speaker 2>scoring the rest of that year, or excuse me, when

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<v Speaker 2>have been extended. That's what a lot of Republicans are saying,

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<v Speaker 2>right They say, you need to look at the the

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<v Speaker 2>political practicalities of this, and Republicans were never going to

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<v Speaker 2>the law that the Budget Committee chairman has the discretion

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<v Speaker 2>Republicans and Democrats have have done this before. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>worried about debt deficit however, disingenuous. Uh, but but they

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<v Speaker 2>lost that battle and we're marching on. That's pretty funny.

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<v Speaker 3>I have you laugh, literally out loud when I see

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<v Speaker 3>the checky shumers of the world screaming about how this

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<v Speaker 3>increases the hole we've dug ourselves in thus far by

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<v Speaker 3>three point three trillion dollars and he's complaining about It's like,

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<v Speaker 3>wait a second, when did he become a deficit hawk?

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it's comical.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean they just were just a few years

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<v Speaker 2>away from them passing as the inflation reduction Yeah, remember

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<v Speaker 2>that one, the one that fueled incredible record inflation we

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<v Speaker 2>hadn't seen since the Jimmy Carter era. Give me a break,

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<v Speaker 2>these guys have no credibility at all on this issue.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, Bradley Jay in terms of is this going to

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<v Speaker 3>end up being because we're not cutting a huge chunk

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<v Speaker 3>out of the government spending. I mean, if we're talking

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<v Speaker 3>about any increase in the deficit, then we're not cutting

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<v Speaker 3>enough because we have a spending problem. I would like

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<v Speaker 3>to see, you know, every turn and you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 3>Elon Musk commented about this, He called you the porky

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<v Speaker 3>big Party, the uniparty. He's planning on launching his own

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<v Speaker 3>America Party if this thing passes this are are we

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<v Speaker 3>missing an opportunity here to cut more? Or is he

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<v Speaker 3>is not about discretionary spending. It can't be or wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>be part of the reconciliation process. So all the DOGE

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<v Speaker 3>work on discretionary spending, as legitimate as it was, couldn't

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<v Speaker 3>be addressed in this bill anyway. But could they cut more?

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<v Speaker 2>Bradley, look, you know your stuff. You're exactly right. This

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<v Speaker 2>bill deals with mandatory spending. It's a reconciliation bill. They're

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<v Speaker 2>constraints on it. That's why you don't have to that's

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<v Speaker 2>why it's not subject to the filibus to that sixty

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<v Speaker 2>vote majority. At only need fifty votes. This is mandatory spending.

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<v Speaker 2>In the appropriations process, we can start enacting a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of those DOGE cuts. That's where we can really take

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<v Speaker 2>the meat. Actsis some things, but we're very limited in

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<v Speaker 2>how we can use reconciliation. It deals with spending in revenue,

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<v Speaker 2>but we can't really enact these sweeping policy changes in it. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>to pass before the end of the fiscal year at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of September. The House has already passed one

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<v Speaker 2>recisions package. It's been held up in the Senate by surprise, surprise,

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<v Speaker 2>Appropriations Chairwoman Susan Collins. We'll see what happens next week

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<v Speaker 2>if they can amend that and get it through the Senate.

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<v Speaker 2>If so, we'll see further recisions package. Just today there's

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<v Speaker 2>some news rough Vote is making a renewed effort to

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<v Speaker 2>set up doing pocket recisions, which is basically where you

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<v Speaker 2>send a recisions package right before the end of the

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<v Speaker 2>fiscal year, and if Congress doesn't act on it, you

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<v Speaker 2>just deem the recisions package and acted. There's also impoundment.

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<v Speaker 2>There's going to be a court battle when Trump, I

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<v Speaker 2>think inevitably does that. But Trump can just say, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, I'm the chief executive. I don't have to

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<v Speaker 2>spend this money. So there are many other ways that

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<v Speaker 2>we can we can do these, We that we can

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<v Speaker 2>find spending cuts, and there's a talk of doing more

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<v Speaker 2>reconciliation bills beginning in the fall. So there are more

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<v Speaker 2>bikes at the apple that we can get, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>lot of these spending hawks in passing this bill before

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<v Speaker 3>All right, let's assume for the sake of discussion today, Bradley, Jay,

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<v Speaker 3>that does pass in the Senate. Uh, it's fate in

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<v Speaker 3>the House because there is another critical vote over in

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<v Speaker 3>the House on this thing.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you see that going.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be tough, There's no question about it. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, because we'll have these other opportunities to cut

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<v Speaker 2>some of the discretionary spending, a lot of the spending

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<v Speaker 2>hawks will get on board. Keep it on. We don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what this bill will look like right Still a

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<v Speaker 2>few more Senate amendments on Medicaid and on those Green

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<v Speaker 2>New Deal subsidies that we are likely to see probably

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<v Speaker 2>this morning. But the House is getting ready. The House

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<v Speaker 2>Rules Committee is meeting, well, it's supposed to meet today

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<v Speaker 2>at noon, assuming the Senate has passed the bill by then.

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<v Speaker 2>They're teeing up the first procedural vote tomorrow morning at

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<v Speaker 2>nine am. There is going to be some intense pressure

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<v Speaker 2>on some of these holdouts but look, Trump's been able

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<v Speaker 2>to get it done so.

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<v Speaker 1>Far, Yes he has.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I hope cooler heads prevail, you know, And honestly,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're an elected official from a state liking Lisa

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<v Speaker 3>Murkowski and you want to cut the Medicaid and she doesn't,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, you know, make the argument to your people.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I went ahead and I signed on to

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<v Speaker 3>it in spite of the cuts them Medicaid because it

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<v Speaker 3>never should have been expanded in the first place. You

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<v Speaker 3>got able bodied adult people who are capable of working

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<v Speaker 3>on a program that was not designed to help them

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<v Speaker 3>because they aren't on life's margins. You know, it's like, sorry,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we're gonna have to pare it back our

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<v Speaker 3>Medicaid spending in this but it's good for the American

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<v Speaker 3>taxpayer generally speaking, and it cuts it a large chunk

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<v Speaker 3>of spending from the federal government. So in the final analysis,

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<v Speaker 3>we're all going to benefit from it.

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<v Speaker 2>Brian, you nailed it. I couldn't have said it any better.

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<v Speaker 2>At some point, these politicians who've been in office for

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<v Speaker 2>longer than some of us have been alive, need to

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<v Speaker 2>put the actual needs of their country before their political needs.

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<v Speaker 2>But look, this is Washington. We don't see a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of that unfortunately.

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<v Speaker 1>Bradley J.

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<v Speaker 3>Right Bart, Deputy news director and former Capitol Hill staffer.

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<v Speaker 3>It's always a pleasure to having on the program again.

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<v Speaker 3>Keep up the great work, Brad. I look forward to

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<v Speaker 3>talking with you again real soon to say hi to

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<v Speaker 3>the team for me. We'll do always great being with you, Bron.

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