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<v Speaker 1>Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is Bruno Thompson. Bruno,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks so much for coming on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, you're welcome. Bruno. Please give us a brief bio

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<v Speaker 1>on yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>A brief bio on myself. Okay, I'm fifty four years old.

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<v Speaker 2>I live in central Wisconsin, Adams County, which is forty

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<v Speaker 2>minutes north of the Wisconsin Dells. I like to hunt, fish, trap,

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<v Speaker 2>anything outdoors. In my younger years, I did a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of sports, high school baseball, certain things like that. I

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<v Speaker 2>worked for the Wisconsin Conservation Corps for two years from

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety two to ninety three, and that involved building

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<v Speaker 2>birdhouses or woodduck houses, and planting trees and just doing

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<v Speaker 2>all kinds of things. We actually took third graders on

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<v Speaker 2>field trips, planted trees with them, taught them about trees. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I did that for so I was twenty one at

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<v Speaker 2>that time. I just kind of fast forward here, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I learned a lot doing that, just wanting to

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<v Speaker 2>be in the outdoors. It didn't pay a lot. The

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<v Speaker 2>reason I took the job was because I found out

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<v Speaker 2>I could get a scholarship from the state, because I

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<v Speaker 2>ended up getting my ged I moved around a lot

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<v Speaker 2>as a kid. We talked yesterday and I told you

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<v Speaker 2>about I lived in five different states, you know, growing

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<v Speaker 2>up Florida, Wisconsin, Alaska, Utah, and Michigan. So I moved

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<v Speaker 2>around and went to quite a few different schools, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, but when I was finally fifteen, I pretty

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<v Speaker 2>much stayed with my grandma and didn't live with my mom.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, back to the Wisconsin Conservation Corps. I finished

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<v Speaker 2>out my time there. I got my scholarship from them,

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<v Speaker 2>and I went to MATC and I studied Ohm's law

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<v Speaker 2>for about six months, and I got a job with

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<v Speaker 2>Able Electric in Green Bay. I worked with them for

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<v Speaker 2>a while, got a job with CC Electric, a Platinum Electric,

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<v Speaker 2>but I basically ended up moving on from there and

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<v Speaker 2>going into factory work. And that's just kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>what I do now. And I only do electrical work

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<v Speaker 2>on side jobs. I do do it, but I just

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<v Speaker 2>do it as side jobs. So basically about me. I

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<v Speaker 2>just love hunting, fishing, being outdoors, kayaking, trapping. Right now,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to go for a pilot's license. I was

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<v Speaker 2>talking about that yesterday, building a small single seat aircraft.

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<v Speaker 2>I live on ten acres up here. It's really nice.

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<v Speaker 2>I only work ten minutes away, and I do a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of reloading, building birdhouses, you know, just tinkering, like

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<v Speaker 2>doing carpentry and target practice. So yeah, I just come

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<v Speaker 2>from a family that they all did hunting.

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<v Speaker 3>And fishing, and my grandma, my grandpa, they all went

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<v Speaker 3>out to Wyoming and they shot antelope and mule deer

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<v Speaker 3>and all that.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I was growing up, you know, I was

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<v Speaker 2>kind of wanted to be like my grandpa. So I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, that's really about it.

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<v Speaker 1>That must have been great growing up with your family,

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<v Speaker 1>with your extended family being so interested in the outdoors.

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<v Speaker 1>That'd be great.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, definitely. Like so, when I was six years old,

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<v Speaker 2>I got my first geebe gun from my grandpa. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess that's pretty young for a kid. My mom

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<v Speaker 2>really didn't like it. And another story is when I

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<v Speaker 2>was I mean, if you could imagine this, I got

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<v Speaker 2>a ten twenty two ruger car. Being at eight years old,

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<v Speaker 2>so I had to walk to school every day because

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<v Speaker 2>I was a latch key kid, you know, I had

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<v Speaker 2>to carry your house key around your neck because your

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<v Speaker 2>parents both worked or whatever and you had to basically

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<v Speaker 2>take care of yourself. Well, I walked to school and

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<v Speaker 2>I was just going down the steps into the playground.

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<v Speaker 2>And this was in Milwaukee, nineteen eighty February tenth. It

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<v Speaker 2>was cold outside, and all of a sudden, I hear

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<v Speaker 2>beep beep, and I look around. I don't see nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>And the school I went to, there's a cools parking

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<v Speaker 2>lot right across the street. And I look over and

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<v Speaker 2>there's one car over. I don't see nobody, so I

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<v Speaker 2>just start going on the steps again. Then I hear

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<v Speaker 2>somebody yell hey, Bubba, and that's my grandpa called me.

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<v Speaker 2>He called me bubb or Bubba. So I look up

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<v Speaker 2>and there he is like waving out the window to me.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh my god. So I go running

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<v Speaker 2>over there and he's like, hey, I brought you your

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<v Speaker 2>birthday president. I was like what. He's like, yeah, jump in,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I jump in the car and he hands

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<v Speaker 2>me this big box and puts it on my lap.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, what is it? He's open it up, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and I didn't know, but it was shaped like a gun,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in a big box. So I'm just like wow.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I ripped that thing open so fast, and

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<v Speaker 2>I had it out of the box and I'm looking

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<v Speaker 2>down the sites and I had the gun out the window,

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<v Speaker 2>aiming at the street light. You know. I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is so cool. And he engraved on it to

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<v Speaker 2>Bubba with love Papa, February tenth, nineteen eighty, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>on a little gold plated plaque that he had attached

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<v Speaker 2>to the to the right side of the stock so

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<v Speaker 2>when you cheeked it, the plate wouldn't touch your face.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be on the opposite side. And my uncle Mark,

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<v Speaker 2>he was one year younger than me because my grandma

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<v Speaker 2>had him at forty years old. My mom had me

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<v Speaker 2>at sixty. So my grandma had her last kid late

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<v Speaker 2>in life and my mom had me really young, so

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<v Speaker 2>we were like brothers. So he got a ten twenty

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<v Speaker 2>two ruger carbing with one serial number off and his

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<v Speaker 2>engraved plate that said to Mark, you know, with love

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<v Speaker 2>Dad on his birthday, right, So they were like a

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<v Speaker 2>matching set, and he ordered him that way. But that

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<v Speaker 2>was like one of the greatest birthday presents I ever had.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't able to tell my mom about it because

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<v Speaker 2>back then it's kind of a long story. I really

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to get into that today. But I lived

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<v Speaker 2>with my grandma and grandpa until I was five, and

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<v Speaker 2>then my mom kind of took me away from there

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<v Speaker 2>and she didn't want me seeing my grandma and grandpa.

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<v Speaker 2>So this was kind of a surprise visit. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was like the best birthday president ever. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 2>was a nice time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it sounds like it. And I'll bet your mom

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<v Speaker 1>would have freaked out if she would have known.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Back in nineteen or so, two years later,

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<v Speaker 2>when we were living in Florida, my mom said something

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<v Speaker 2>to me one day and I was like, well, I

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<v Speaker 2>already got a gun. No you don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Told her. You know, I was twelve, So I'm like, yeah, where,

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<v Speaker 2>I said, in Milwaukee? Who's got I said, Grandma's got it?

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<v Speaker 2>What who got it for you? I said, Papa did.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was like on my birthday, way back when

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<v Speaker 2>when I wasn't supposed to talk to him. Oh, sneak,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. I mean she really didn't care too much

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<v Speaker 2>because my grandpa got sick and died in eighty three,

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<v Speaker 2>so that was kind of a rough thing. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it brought her family back together because my mom didn't

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<v Speaker 2>really want to talk to them, and when my grandpa

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<v Speaker 2>got sick, then it we all, I don't know, got

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<v Speaker 2>back together.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I hate the fact that he passed away, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad at least your family got together after that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Brinda, please tell us about your encounter. Now

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<v Speaker 1>give us ever last detail that comes to mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, this was November seventeenth, nineteen ninety five. It was

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<v Speaker 2>the day before opening day of rifle season in Wisconsin,

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<v Speaker 2>and this happened around nine pm to ten thirty. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not positive on the time. I just kind of know

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<v Speaker 2>what time. Me and my uncle Tony left the trailer

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<v Speaker 2>and we went for a ride, and we went to

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<v Speaker 2>pick up some beer and food and snacks and lan

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<v Speaker 2>Jaeger's and jerky that we would take out in the

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<v Speaker 2>woods with us. So, yeah, everybody was already up here.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of my family members that live about well,

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<v Speaker 2>they don't live. They have a cabin a mile from

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<v Speaker 2>us on fourteenth A in Adams County, where just I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just off Highway thirteen north towards the Wisconsin Rapids and Adams, Wisconsin,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's where I'm at. And anyways, so we're back

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<v Speaker 2>here and my uncle Tony's like, hey, you want to

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<v Speaker 2>go for a ride and pick all this stuff up

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<v Speaker 2>and do this and that, and and I'm like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>let's go, you know, and He's He's somebody that I

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<v Speaker 2>just he was my closest uncle. I always got along

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<v Speaker 2>with them. He inspired me a lot of ways too,

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<v Speaker 2>because he played baseball in school and I like baseball

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<v Speaker 2>and all that. And he actually had a draft letter

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<v Speaker 2>for tryout for the Cincinnati Reds back in nineteen seventy nine.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, we just me and him were like peanut,

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<v Speaker 2>Butter and Jelly. Whenever there was a family reunion, they'd

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<v Speaker 2>be like, where's Bruno. He's hanging out with unkin Tony.

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<v Speaker 2>So we were just always together. We hunted together, we

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<v Speaker 2>thought alike everything, even though there was like a eight

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<v Speaker 2>year difference, which I guess isn't that much for an

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<v Speaker 2>uncle and a nephew. But anyway, I go with him.

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<v Speaker 2>We jump in his little geometro and we go for

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<v Speaker 2>a ride, and I'm trying to remember if it was mine.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was his idea. He's like, hey, let's

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<v Speaker 2>let's go drive through the hunting land. And I'm debating

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<v Speaker 2>with him, like, well, I don't know if it's a

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<v Speaker 2>very good idea, and why you know, we really never

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<v Speaker 2>did that. We drove around other areas to look at

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<v Speaker 2>where the deer are crossing the night before, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>looking for signs and stuff. But I didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>go in there because I'm like, yeah, driving in there

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<v Speaker 2>spooking them, you know. I mean we're going in there

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<v Speaker 2>at nine to ten thirty at night. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be in those woods at five six am, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't really want to scare them and stuff. He's

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<v Speaker 2>just like, ah, that's not going to one car. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not like we're chasing them down or we're doing donuts

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<v Speaker 2>or going really fast. So I'm like I finally agree

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<v Speaker 2>on it. I'm like, okay, So we go in and

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<v Speaker 2>this is it's seven hundred and sixty acres of public land.

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<v Speaker 2>And to describe this place to you is it's really

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<v Speaker 2>it was really nice. We hunted it from nineteen six

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty till the year twenty fifteen. Yeah, and it

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<v Speaker 2>got clear cutted and the DNR ended up selling the

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<v Speaker 2>land to some farmers and now it's farm fields. But

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<v Speaker 2>back then it was really nice. It had everything that

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<v Speaker 2>you wanted, like rolling oak ridges, big huge oak trees

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<v Speaker 2>with falling acorns and tamarack. It had lot like a

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<v Speaker 2>spot there where it had all these tamaracks and thickets

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<v Speaker 2>and dogwood where deer could hide and kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>a I don't know, it would be a peat moss,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's kind of a swampy. I wouldn't say swamp,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's wetter in that area. So there's a few

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<v Speaker 2>spots in there in this seven hundred and sixty acres

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<v Speaker 2>that has kind of a wetter area, and it's jackpines

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<v Speaker 2>in there, white pine, Scotch pine, just different kinds of

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<v Speaker 2>trees and wild hazel nuts. We got hazel nuts galore.

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<v Speaker 2>You really can't even harvest them around here because the

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<v Speaker 2>deer eat them before they get right. Like I'll go

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<v Speaker 2>out and I'll see them and I'll be like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>out to get them, and you can see the deer

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<v Speaker 2>nibbled him and ate him right off. So wild blueberries, raspberries,

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<v Speaker 2>just everything. And something that I talked to you yesterday

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<v Speaker 2>say they've seen that it's happened by water. I forgot

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<v Speaker 2>to tell you that that it's not that far away

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<v Speaker 2>from a thing called dead Horse Creek. Dead Horse Creek

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<v Speaker 2>is actually eight blocks. Now. I wouldn't even call it

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<v Speaker 2>blocks because I'm in the country. It's it's a five

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<v Speaker 2>or ten minute walk from my house. I can go

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<v Speaker 2>to dead Horse Creek and it runs for a long

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<v Speaker 2>ways and runs into Big Rascha Cree or Little Raschakree Lake.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's just a really nice place to hunt

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<v Speaker 2>that We've always shot deer there. We had places there

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<v Speaker 2>that we nicknamed them certain spots, like seven point corners

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<v Speaker 2>because there's seven corners there. The roads they're logging trails,

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<v Speaker 2>they go different ways, and a lot of our family

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<v Speaker 2>members or friends of the family shot deer there and

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<v Speaker 2>never shot any dough. They always shot a seven point

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<v Speaker 2>buck and it happened many times, so we called it

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<v Speaker 2>seven point corners or seven points. So anyway we're we

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<v Speaker 2>go in by Mike Bubla's because he has a an

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<v Speaker 2>easement that goes in either you can get in another way,

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<v Speaker 2>but you got to go way around and take Highway

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<v Speaker 2>thirteen and kind of go around one of the lakes

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<v Speaker 2>and come in the back way, and we just didn't

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<v Speaker 2>like doing that. And we knew Mike Bubla since the sixties.

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<v Speaker 2>He was friends with my grandma and grandpa, and he

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<v Speaker 2>would open up his property for us to drive through

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<v Speaker 2>there to get in, and so we go in there

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<v Speaker 2>after we already picked our stuff up from the store.

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<v Speaker 2>So this was just kind of a we were just

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<v Speaker 2>going to go in there, take one lap around, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of look around. You know. We weren't even really going

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<v Speaker 2>to get out of the car because we just didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to. We just kind of wanted to go in

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<v Speaker 2>there and have the brights on and the road these

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<v Speaker 2>logging roads too. To give you some idea, are you

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<v Speaker 2>can see down some of these roads twelve hundred yards.

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<v Speaker 2>If seven hundred and sixty acres is twelve hundred yards,

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<v Speaker 2>it probably is. I think I put a rangefinder on

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<v Speaker 2>it a couple times, and it's beyond that. But the

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<v Speaker 2>road is at some points thirty feet wide to fifty

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<v Speaker 2>feet wide from woods to woods because the seven hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and sixty acres butts up to another property that some

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<v Speaker 2>people own. So it really works out good because people

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<v Speaker 2>that we don't hunt with will be hunting in there

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<v Speaker 2>part of the woods on the logging roads, and they'll

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<v Speaker 2>chase the deer out into ours and they get shot

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<v Speaker 2>at and run back into theirs, and it's a back

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<v Speaker 2>and forth thing. So, and the road itself is maybe

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen feet wide, twelve to fifteen feet wide, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>just going down this road, you know, got the music

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<v Speaker 2>really low, we got the windows up and we're just

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<v Speaker 2>looking and he's got the uh, the bright's on, so

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<v Speaker 2>we can see a long long ways and we weren't

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<v Speaker 2>planning on shining or anything like that. You're not supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to have guns in your vehicle twenty four hours prior

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<v Speaker 2>to the rifle deer season. You're not supposed to shine

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<v Speaker 2>deer twenty four hours prior to the deer season, and

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<v Speaker 2>that includes shining with your headlights. So if you see

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<v Speaker 2>deer in a field you're not really you'd probably get

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<v Speaker 2>ticketed for turning around and using your car to to

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<v Speaker 2>look at him, even if you don't have a gun,

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<v Speaker 2>so we were trying to stay within rules and just

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<v Speaker 2>take a look around. And it's, like I said, it's

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<v Speaker 2>something we never did. I never remember one time that

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<v Speaker 2>we ever went there the night before or the day

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<v Speaker 2>before the season, just because that was always in our thought.

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<v Speaker 2>And if we would have said something to my grandma,

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<v Speaker 2>my grandma would say, no, stay the heck out of there.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to spooking my dear or whatever, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So we did it. Anyway, We're going down the road

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<v Speaker 2>and we get up till about seven point corners there,

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<v Speaker 2>and we just kept going straight because we were taking

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<v Speaker 2>a lap around. We were already down by a place

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<v Speaker 2>called Reese's Field, which a farmer owns, and that's more

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<v Speaker 2>on the south end. Yeah, and so we're up there,

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<v Speaker 2>we're just going along, going along, and out of the blue,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we're both got, we're both looking forward and

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<v Speaker 2>for people listening too to think, you know, some people

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<v Speaker 2>got didn't see something right, or it happened really fast.

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<v Speaker 2>This did happen really fast. But I had my I

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<v Speaker 2>have paperwork even showing it that back in ninety five

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<v Speaker 2>I had twenty thirteen vision. The doctor said, he said,

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<v Speaker 2>you got twenty thirteen visions. I thought something was wrong

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<v Speaker 2>with my eyes, and he said no, he's like, I've

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<v Speaker 2>never seen anybody be able to read those letters that

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<v Speaker 2>you just read off there on that bottom chart. He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty two or twenty six years whatever that he's

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<v Speaker 2>been the doctor, he's never seen somebody read something like

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<v Speaker 2>that fine print. So I'm just letting you know that

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<v Speaker 2>I know what I've seen, even though it was a

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<v Speaker 2>fraction of a second. And almost everybody in my family

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<v Speaker 2>just nobody wears glasses unless they're over forty and they

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<v Speaker 2>need them for reading. But everybody had really good long

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<v Speaker 2>range vision. And the doctor told me, well, what you

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<v Speaker 2>what somebody with twenty twenty vision can see? You can

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<v Speaker 2>see it seven feet further away. I'm like, really, huh, no,

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<v Speaker 2>wonder you know? I didn't know. So we're looking ahead

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<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden, from right to left, you

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<v Speaker 2>see this. It took up the whole road. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 2>was far away. I would I would guesstimate two hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and fifty to three hundred yards, probably three hundred yards,

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<v Speaker 2>but we were kind of at the top. These these

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<v Speaker 2>logging roads go up and down a lot, so you

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<v Speaker 2>once you get to a top of one. You can

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<v Speaker 2>see all the way to the end of the logging

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<v Speaker 2>road where it hits the woods, which is probably beyond

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<v Speaker 2>what most people can shoot. But anyway, I'm looking. Mount

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<v Speaker 2>Patony's looking too. He's driving. I'm a passenger, and from

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<v Speaker 2>right to left we just see this whole big, giant

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<v Speaker 2>brown mountain lion. And I'm just gonna tell you right

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<v Speaker 2>now mountain lion, because it took up the whole road.

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<v Speaker 2>The tail was like four or five feet long. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know how long their tails are, but it was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was so long, and it was so low to

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<v Speaker 2>the ground that it was just hauling. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>this thing, it cleared the whole fifty foot road, or

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<v Speaker 2>maybe it was thirty foot at that point, but it

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<v Speaker 2>was one leap. It like came out of the woods

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<v Speaker 2>on the right side and it just leapt over the

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<v Speaker 2>road all stretched out. You could see its front legs

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<v Speaker 2>all the way out like Superman, and its back legs

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<v Speaker 2>stretched out like it was flying across the road. And

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<v Speaker 2>it was so low to the ground, but it was

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<v Speaker 2>so big. It was like it looked like it was

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<v Speaker 2>twelve feet long with that tail, and it was like

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<v Speaker 2>that you know it happened in a flash, right, But

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<v Speaker 2>we're trying to compute what we just saw. And my

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<v Speaker 2>uncle Tony actually looks over and he's like, what, what

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<v Speaker 2>in the heck did you just see? And I said,

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<v Speaker 2>I saw a mountain lion. He's like, Okay, I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>checking because that's what I saw too, And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>they weren't. Just like, we can't believe it. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>wolves weren't even I guess reintroduced here in the state

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<v Speaker 2>until the early nineties. They put a small pack in,

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<v Speaker 2>so I didn't even see a wolf in Wisconsin yet.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've seen fissures and Pine Martin bobcats. I have

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<v Speaker 2>never seen, you know, links in Wisconsin, but they say

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<v Speaker 2>they have them too. But this wasn't a links. It

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't a bobcat. It wasn't a house cat. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a mountain lion. It was like two hundred pounds and

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<v Speaker 2>it had the longest tail, just like a mountain lion.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean. And the only mountain lion that I seen

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<v Speaker 2>in the whild was this one. So I've seen him

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<v Speaker 2>in zoos and I know they look like and We're

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<v Speaker 2>just sitting there going like, oh my god, dude, we

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<v Speaker 2>saw a mountain lion. You know, nobody's gonna believe us,

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<v Speaker 2>and only maybe twenty to maybe. I was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>think of the time yesterday when I talked to you, victim,

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<v Speaker 2>it was probably twenty seconds to a minute. It's just

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<v Speaker 2>hard to say the time, because it's everything slowed down.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like it slowed down and sped up because it

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<v Speaker 2>slowed down that we saw a mountain lion that I've

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<v Speaker 2>never seen a mountain lion, you know, in nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>five in Wisconsin, and nobody nobody even said anything about them,

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<v Speaker 2>and dn R didn't say anything, and it was just

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<v Speaker 2>like all these things going through her mind, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we gotta tell them back then at the cabin when

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<v Speaker 2>we get back, but they're not gonna believe us. And

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<v Speaker 2>then Graham was gonna be like, why were you over

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<v Speaker 2>on the hunting property and scaring dear Da Da Da

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<v Speaker 2>da da, And it wasn't it wasn't but twenty seconds

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<v Speaker 2>to him. Sixty seconds maybe after that, And when you

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<v Speaker 2>seeing them out in mine, we were still going and

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<v Speaker 2>we were only going ten to fifteen miles an hour,

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<v Speaker 2>so we probably closed the distance another one hundred yards.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>We could have been going even slower. I'm not positive,

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<v Speaker 2>but we weren't going fast at all. We're just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of at a crawl through there, and we're just like,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't we saw a mountainline. My uncle Tony was saying,

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<v Speaker 2>a cougar, but yeah, cougar, mountain lion, same thing. And

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<v Speaker 2>we're just trying to get over the fact that that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's what we've seen and how how are we going

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<v Speaker 2>to explain this and nobody is going to believe it,

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<v Speaker 2>no one, no one is gonna believe it. And so

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<v Speaker 2>we're now we're about one hundred yards closer. We're probably

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred yards away from where this thing we think

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<v Speaker 2>crossed where we seen it kind of cross and then

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<v Speaker 2>we kind of took a mental image. And we've all

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<v Speaker 2>always done that. My grandma taught me that, like when

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<v Speaker 2>you shoot a deer and it runs somewhere, don't get

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<v Speaker 2>so excited that you lose track of where it ran

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<v Speaker 2>in the woods. You want to keep your cool and

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<v Speaker 2>your calm. And if you see it running somewhere market

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<v Speaker 2>that's the last place you've seen it, or if it

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<v Speaker 2>makes it into the woods, keep your eye on it

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<v Speaker 2>until you can see that. You don't see the tail anymore,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't see the deer, and remember, you know, stay

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<v Speaker 2>sitted there and keep an eye on. Okay, that's the

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<v Speaker 2>last place I've seen it, because if we have to

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<v Speaker 2>track it, you might have to sit in that spot

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<v Speaker 2>and tell the other person, Nope, go to the right,

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<v Speaker 2>go to the left. Yep, right there is the last

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<v Speaker 2>place I seen it, because it's hard to see it

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<v Speaker 2>from when you get over there. Anyway, we're just about

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred yards closer, and all of a sudden, from

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<v Speaker 2>the same spot that we can tell that that mountain

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<v Speaker 2>lion came jumping out and clearing the road in one leap,

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<v Speaker 2>a giant black wolf's head comes out of the woods. So,

416
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<v Speaker 2>like I said, the woods can be the woods can

417
00:27:47.319 --> 00:27:51.720
<v Speaker 2>be maybe so fifteen feet fifty seven and a half feet,

418
00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:54.160
<v Speaker 2>if you want to get technical, the woods can be

419
00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:55.759
<v Speaker 2>seven and a half feet from the edge of the

420
00:27:55.839 --> 00:28:03.960
<v Speaker 2>road up to fifteen feet or yeah, or twelve feet maybe.

421
00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:09.680
<v Speaker 2>Because there's hazel nut bushes that grow along there, blueberries,

422
00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:14.960
<v Speaker 2>all kinds of red raspberries, and tangles and just stuff

423
00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:17.200
<v Speaker 2>like that that grows on the side of the row.

424
00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:20.079
<v Speaker 2>Of these logging trails. Nobody goes out there and cuts it,

425
00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:24.759
<v Speaker 2>so kind of grows wild. So when this head came out,

426
00:28:24.920 --> 00:28:28.640
<v Speaker 2>it's I've seen its left paw come out first, touched

427
00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:33.200
<v Speaker 2>just before, just before the edge of the road, and

428
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:35.920
<v Speaker 2>it had its ears back, so I couldn't see any

429
00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:38.680
<v Speaker 2>ears sticking up, but I could tell. I thought it

430
00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:42.839
<v Speaker 2>was a dog, for a giant, big dog, because that's

431
00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:45.519
<v Speaker 2>what my uncle said, whose dog, you know? And it

432
00:28:45.640 --> 00:28:47.599
<v Speaker 2>was like we barely got those words out and it

433
00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:51.079
<v Speaker 2>was like, no, that's a wolf. Oh my god, there's

434
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:59.079
<v Speaker 2>a wolf. And just after getting those words out, it

435
00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:05.640
<v Speaker 2>transition from So the mountain lion was like I said,

436
00:29:05.680 --> 00:29:11.279
<v Speaker 2>maybe thirty inches. I mean, I guess when it was

437
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:13.960
<v Speaker 2>leaping across the road it looked taller off the ground.

438
00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:18.720
<v Speaker 2>But this, this big black head you could tell, was

439
00:29:19.680 --> 00:29:23.680
<v Speaker 2>probably two feet higher up than as far as the

440
00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:28.440
<v Speaker 2>mountain lion jumped right. So when the head came out

441
00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:30.440
<v Speaker 2>like that, you could tell how big it was. It

442
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:33.599
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh my god, do that is you know? Yeah,

443
00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:36.640
<v Speaker 2>we're another one hundred yards closer too, maybe, you know,

444
00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:39.400
<v Speaker 2>which made it look bigger, but it was just way

445
00:29:39.440 --> 00:29:42.680
<v Speaker 2>beyond big than what I thought, and just all black.

446
00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:47.119
<v Speaker 2>And I've never seen an all black wolf. The only

447
00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:50.240
<v Speaker 2>black ones I seen were like in captivity, and they

448
00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:52.920
<v Speaker 2>had really long legs and kind of were skinny looking.

449
00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:57.839
<v Speaker 2>And this one wasn't like that. As we got out

450
00:29:57.839 --> 00:29:59.839
<v Speaker 2>those words about like, oh it's a wolf, it's a

451
00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:01.960
<v Speaker 2>it's like, you know, what's that doing out here? It

452
00:30:02.119 --> 00:30:08.039
<v Speaker 2>was whose farmer? Whose dog is out? It just stood

453
00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:11.400
<v Speaker 2>up from the four leg I didn't see the other

454
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:13.359
<v Speaker 2>legs because they were the back legs were in the

455
00:30:13.359 --> 00:30:18.039
<v Speaker 2>woods yet, and just the front leg or I, like

456
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:25.960
<v Speaker 2>I said to Vic, I said, the paws weren't really

457
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:30.519
<v Speaker 2>pause people say raccoon hands or whatever. I call them

458
00:30:31.240 --> 00:30:34.480
<v Speaker 2>pans like they were a cross between a paw and

459
00:30:34.519 --> 00:30:37.440
<v Speaker 2>a hand, because I actually saw like hair on the

460
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:42.319
<v Speaker 2>fingers and long claws, but it kind of looked like

461
00:30:42.359 --> 00:30:46.240
<v Speaker 2>a paw a little bit where the wrist kind of hinges,

462
00:30:48.000 --> 00:30:51.920
<v Speaker 2>and so it when it stood up and stepped out,

463
00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:58.079
<v Speaker 2>it stepped out. Yeah, yeah, I seen both legs. It

464
00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:03.680
<v Speaker 2>stepped out and stood right up. And this thing was

465
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:07.079
<v Speaker 2>like easily my uncle Tony said the same thing. He

466
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:11.240
<v Speaker 2>might have gauged it a foot taller than me. I said,

467
00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:13.200
<v Speaker 2>it was like seven or eight feet tall, because we

468
00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:15.839
<v Speaker 2>were looking at some of the trees that had some

469
00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:20.359
<v Speaker 2>overhanging branches. And I'll get to that later on. But

470
00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:22.880
<v Speaker 2>the next day we did go back and check it

471
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:27.240
<v Speaker 2>some of the heights but it stood up. But oh wait,

472
00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:30.880
<v Speaker 2>before it stood up, though, I forgot it actually from

473
00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:35.480
<v Speaker 2>the car like shining toward it. I forgot to say,

474
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:37.720
<v Speaker 2>it turned its head. And this is when its ears

475
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:41.079
<v Speaker 2>were still down, so it tears were still down, and

476
00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:42.960
<v Speaker 2>it was like stalking.

477
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:50.519
<v Speaker 4>Like like like anybody's anybody ever seen a wire hair

478
00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:53.319
<v Speaker 4>pointer or a German short hair pointer the way they

479
00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:54.039
<v Speaker 4>point birds.

480
00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:56.920
<v Speaker 2>That's how it came out of the woods like it

481
00:31:57.000 --> 00:32:00.319
<v Speaker 2>was like like it was stalking something like like a

482
00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:04.279
<v Speaker 2>cat does sometimes gets down real slow and sneaks. That's

483
00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:07.200
<v Speaker 2>how it looked. And its ears were down like that,

484
00:32:07.559 --> 00:32:12.680
<v Speaker 2>and it's paw and it just turned its head, not

485
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:16.759
<v Speaker 2>ninety degrees at us. It only turned it like forty

486
00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:19.279
<v Speaker 2>five degrees just to turn. Because I mean, we had

487
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:22.240
<v Speaker 2>bright shining all it lit up the whole road. The

488
00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:25.440
<v Speaker 2>light was shining off the trees and actually some of

489
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:29.480
<v Speaker 2>the trees drape over the road, the branches overhang the road.

490
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:33.319
<v Speaker 2>So it's like a tunnel. So that's how bright it was.

491
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:37.920
<v Speaker 2>There was no problem seeing anything. And when it turned

492
00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:42.400
<v Speaker 2>its head and looked like toward the car, you could

493
00:32:42.440 --> 00:32:48.279
<v Speaker 2>just see I saw golden glowing hives. They weren't yellow,

494
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:53.279
<v Speaker 2>they weren't red, they weren't it wasn't eyeshine, it was golden.

495
00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:56.759
<v Speaker 2>I didn't see a pupil. I didn't. I just saw

496
00:32:56.799 --> 00:33:03.160
<v Speaker 2>a big round, golden glowing eyes, like almost like a

497
00:33:03.200 --> 00:33:07.480
<v Speaker 2>mini flashlight that was coming out of there. But so

498
00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:13.039
<v Speaker 2>it just kind of looked at us, like how do

499
00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:15.279
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't even say it looked. It just kind of

500
00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:19.839
<v Speaker 2>looked that way for a second, like maybe I was thinking,

501
00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:23.000
<v Speaker 2>like what's that coming? Or where what's that light? You know,

502
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:25.359
<v Speaker 2>That's kind of the way it looked. And then it

503
00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:29.480
<v Speaker 2>just looked straight back ahead again to where that mountain

504
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:32.480
<v Speaker 2>lion we saw a run and that's when it stood up.

505
00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:44.200
<v Speaker 2>And when it stood up, it took two steps to

506
00:33:44.279 --> 00:33:47.200
<v Speaker 2>clear the road, so it was like one step and

507
00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:51.759
<v Speaker 2>I could see both legs in the back, and the

508
00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:57.880
<v Speaker 2>legs to me were just the upper legs looked like

509
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:03.519
<v Speaker 2>a running back's legs for like the NFL. I could

510
00:34:03.559 --> 00:34:06.680
<v Speaker 2>see the muscles in them. I mean, yeah, two hundred

511
00:34:06.759 --> 00:34:09.079
<v Speaker 2>yards is of distance. But I could see it clear

512
00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:11.679
<v Speaker 2>as day with the high beams on it and everything.

513
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:15.000
<v Speaker 2>And when it stepped with the first foot, I could

514
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:20.599
<v Speaker 2>see the definition and the split between the leg the

515
00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:25.960
<v Speaker 2>way when it stepped, I could see the muscles in

516
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:28.960
<v Speaker 2>between the upper quad or I guess that's what it's called,

517
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:32.519
<v Speaker 2>just kind of you could see the definition of the

518
00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:35.000
<v Speaker 2>lines in it like a muscle. And then I could

519
00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:39.320
<v Speaker 2>see it had that double I don't know, I guess

520
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:43.320
<v Speaker 2>it would be called a double hinged foot or whatever

521
00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:46.239
<v Speaker 2>they call that, where it has a knee, but then

522
00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:49.880
<v Speaker 2>it has that second leg just like a dog or

523
00:34:49.920 --> 00:34:53.760
<v Speaker 2>even a rabbit. It's kind of longer leg, and you

524
00:34:53.800 --> 00:34:57.920
<v Speaker 2>could I couldn't see those looked more like paused me,

525
00:34:58.079 --> 00:35:03.239
<v Speaker 2>but just oversized paws. I didn't see like long finger

526
00:35:03.360 --> 00:35:07.119
<v Speaker 2>claws like or cat claws on the bottom of the feet.

527
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:11.079
<v Speaker 2>It just looked like oversized giant feet. But it stood

528
00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:17.639
<v Speaker 2>up like like, yeah, it's crazy the way it stood up.

529
00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:20.880
<v Speaker 2>And when I explained it yesterday, I didn't explain it

530
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:23.800
<v Speaker 2>right either. I said it took two steps across the road.

531
00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:30.239
<v Speaker 2>These steps were kind of like a leaping a leaping,

532
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:34.280
<v Speaker 2>gliding step. It's kind of hard to explain. Now. It

533
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:39.320
<v Speaker 2>wasn't floating, it wasn't paranormal like, but it was. It

534
00:35:39.360 --> 00:35:42.360
<v Speaker 2>was so graceful and effortless. That's how it made it

535
00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:47.280
<v Speaker 2>look like. The body mechanics of it, the way it

536
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:51.239
<v Speaker 2>was able to just take those two steps, and the

537
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:55.199
<v Speaker 2>way it stood up. Yeah, it stood up all the way,

538
00:35:55.239 --> 00:35:57.360
<v Speaker 2>but it's still when it was stood up to me,

539
00:35:57.519 --> 00:35:59.840
<v Speaker 2>it was still kind of hunched over a little bit

540
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:03.639
<v Speaker 2>the top of the shoulders, and I could I only

541
00:36:03.679 --> 00:36:06.639
<v Speaker 2>seen the left arm and the left hand. My uncle

542
00:36:06.639 --> 00:36:09.519
<v Speaker 2>said he saw both arms. Maybe because I was sitting

543
00:36:09.559 --> 00:36:12.920
<v Speaker 2>in the passenger seat. He was in the driver's seat.

544
00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:16.760
<v Speaker 2>The angle I had, I maybe couldn't see the other

545
00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:20.719
<v Speaker 2>arm and the way it swung when and plus I

546
00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:23.880
<v Speaker 2>was looking at the feet and the head and the ears,

547
00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:26.719
<v Speaker 2>and but when it stood up, that's when the ears

548
00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:30.519
<v Speaker 2>went up. The ears went up straight, and I could

549
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:36.960
<v Speaker 2>see like the tufts like on a linx, like they

550
00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:40.079
<v Speaker 2>say a link, you know, links has those little pieces

551
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:45.559
<v Speaker 2>of fur up there. I could also see this before

552
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:47.480
<v Speaker 2>it stood up too tight. I could see its kind

553
00:36:47.480 --> 00:36:50.360
<v Speaker 2>of ears moving around like it was trying to pick

554
00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:56.320
<v Speaker 2>up noise or hone in on something. Sometimes a dogg

555
00:36:56.320 --> 00:36:58.280
<v Speaker 2>will hear a noise and you'll see its ears kind

556
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:01.519
<v Speaker 2>of twitch around like where that come from. It was

557
00:37:01.599 --> 00:37:03.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of like a radar. It was looked like it

558
00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:06.519
<v Speaker 2>was doing, you know. But when it stood up like that,

559
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:13.239
<v Speaker 2>its ears definitely moved left and right and not. It

560
00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:15.880
<v Speaker 2>wasn't even like uh at the same time. It was

561
00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:19.079
<v Speaker 2>like one kind of went left, one kind of went right,

562
00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:24.000
<v Speaker 2>one kind of like went upward and backward, and the

563
00:37:24.039 --> 00:37:26.559
<v Speaker 2>other one is kind of like tilting forward and left

564
00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:30.079
<v Speaker 2>and just a couple of funny things. And then it

565
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:34.280
<v Speaker 2>took those that other step, and like I said it,

566
00:37:36.760 --> 00:37:39.280
<v Speaker 2>the way the way it took those steps was just

567
00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:44.840
<v Speaker 2>it was effortless. It was just a gliding. It didn't

568
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:48.840
<v Speaker 2>even try to jump or run. It's just two effortless.

569
00:37:49.079 --> 00:37:50.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't even really even know how to explain it,

570
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:55.119
<v Speaker 2>because it kind of almost you would say it looked floating,

571
00:37:55.159 --> 00:37:58.840
<v Speaker 2>but it wasn't. It just like kind of like stepped

572
00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:01.679
<v Speaker 2>with its leg, but as it stepped, it kind of

573
00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:06.760
<v Speaker 2>like swung it along the ground, and it almost looked

574
00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:09.840
<v Speaker 2>like one leg was floating. And then it touched and

575
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:13.559
<v Speaker 2>then the other leg was kind of like flung out

576
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:18.320
<v Speaker 2>and dragged and stepped. But then it got to the

577
00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:21.760
<v Speaker 2>the left side of the road and had got into

578
00:38:21.760 --> 00:38:26.599
<v Speaker 2>the woods. That's when when it stood up and I

579
00:38:26.719 --> 00:38:30.239
<v Speaker 2>seen that and the glowing eyes. And it was after

580
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:33.800
<v Speaker 2>the glowing eyes I said to my uncle, that's a werewolf,

581
00:38:34.599 --> 00:38:39.199
<v Speaker 2>because that's all I could think of, you know, I'm like,

582
00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:41.599
<v Speaker 2>that's a were wolf. And he's like, no, that's not

583
00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:43.760
<v Speaker 2>a were wolf. And know, I'm like, that is a werewolf,

584
00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:47.639
<v Speaker 2>and he was actually said something like, that's somebody in

585
00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:50.119
<v Speaker 2>a costume. Nobody is out here in the middle of

586
00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:53.159
<v Speaker 2>nowhere at night in a costume. He's like, I know,

587
00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:54.639
<v Speaker 2>I know. I'm just trying to.

588
00:38:56.360 --> 00:38:56.519
<v Speaker 1>You know.

589
00:38:56.559 --> 00:38:58.880
<v Speaker 2>We're just kind of debating back and forth, like what

590
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:00.440
<v Speaker 2>the heck is it. We got to go see what

591
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:02.920
<v Speaker 2>that is. I'm not getting out of this car, he said,

592
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:04.719
<v Speaker 2>I'm not getting out of it either, But we got

593
00:39:04.719 --> 00:39:08.280
<v Speaker 2>to go up there and look, you know. And we

594
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:11.159
<v Speaker 2>were planning on doing that anyway, because for a second

595
00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:14.679
<v Speaker 2>we said, well before them, before we even seen the

596
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:17.159
<v Speaker 2>dog man come out, we said, well, when we get

597
00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:19.800
<v Speaker 2>up there, we're gonna look at those tracks. And we

598
00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:22.039
<v Speaker 2>were gonna throw a soda can out on the side

599
00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:25.639
<v Speaker 2>of the road even if we didn't see nothing, and

600
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:27.880
<v Speaker 2>look at it in the morning the next day after

601
00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:29.920
<v Speaker 2>we were done hunting, to see if we could see

602
00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:35.360
<v Speaker 2>those mountain lion tracks. Right, that was our plan. Well,

603
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:39.599
<v Speaker 2>after seeing the dog man, we're not throwing it out.

604
00:39:39.639 --> 00:39:42.719
<v Speaker 2>We're not getting out, you know. We kind of marked

605
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:44.719
<v Speaker 2>it and got up to there, and we drove over.

606
00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:49.480
<v Speaker 2>We looked into the woods. We didn't see anything. We

607
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:52.199
<v Speaker 2>couldn't see any tracks. There was a lot of leaves

608
00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:54.119
<v Speaker 2>on the ground, and it was kind of a colder

609
00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:57.920
<v Speaker 2>night too, I believe, and you really couldn't see much.

610
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:00.039
<v Speaker 2>And I don't even know if the mountain lion and

611
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:07.360
<v Speaker 2>left any tracks from the side of the road where

612
00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:13.000
<v Speaker 2>it's grassy and like berries, and I don't know if

613
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:15.280
<v Speaker 2>it would even dig in well it left across, I

614
00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:19.119
<v Speaker 2>don't know. Their paws are pretty soft. But I was thinking, well,

615
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:22.440
<v Speaker 2>the dog man, there's no way he's got to leave something.

616
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:26.440
<v Speaker 2>But when he had stepped on the road, I literally

617
00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:29.360
<v Speaker 2>think the first step he took with his leg landed

618
00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:31.079
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the road, so there's like a

619
00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:34.280
<v Speaker 2>six foot stride, so if the road's twelve to fifteen

620
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:36.280
<v Speaker 2>feet and he was on the edge of the road

621
00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:38.880
<v Speaker 2>when he took the first step, he is in the

622
00:40:38.920 --> 00:40:41.559
<v Speaker 2>middle of the road. Well, these roads aren't all sand.

623
00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:46.800
<v Speaker 2>They're actually sand where the tires are, where the tires go,

624
00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:49.599
<v Speaker 2>but in the middle it's all grass because people don't

625
00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:52.440
<v Speaker 2>drive back there that much, so then you got grass

626
00:40:52.599 --> 00:40:55.920
<v Speaker 2>and whatever. And sometimes in the middle of the roads

627
00:40:55.960 --> 00:41:00.440
<v Speaker 2>there's wild strawberries that grow just in that little area patch.

628
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:03.599
<v Speaker 2>So the car's driving, you know, in the tire tracks,

629
00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:05.400
<v Speaker 2>but underneath the car in the middle of the road

630
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:09.119
<v Speaker 2>there's wild strawberries that grow. Sometimes not in November, I'm sure,

631
00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:13.360
<v Speaker 2>but but that's what I thought. I'm like, well, it

632
00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:15.800
<v Speaker 2>should have left something. And then I thought, at the

633
00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:18.960
<v Speaker 2>next step it took before it got into the woods,

634
00:41:18.760 --> 00:41:21.000
<v Speaker 2>there's got to be some steps there. But we couldn't

635
00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:24.159
<v Speaker 2>see anything. It was dark, I mean not dark dark,

636
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:26.599
<v Speaker 2>but when we got up to the spot, our brights

637
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:29.760
<v Speaker 2>are shining forward. We're kind of past the point of

638
00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:33.199
<v Speaker 2>where we've seen it. So we kind of stopped with

639
00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:39.239
<v Speaker 2>the headlights and the bumper just passed where it crossed.

640
00:41:39.360 --> 00:41:42.559
<v Speaker 2>So it's tire. The tires were probably in line where

641
00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:45.280
<v Speaker 2>we thought it crossed. I'm looking out my window. I'm like,

642
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:47.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't see anything. He's looking out his window, he

643
00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:50.559
<v Speaker 2>don't see anything. Then we're both telling everybody, like, you know,

644
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:56.079
<v Speaker 2>we can't go back telling people we saw a dog

645
00:41:56.199 --> 00:41:58.119
<v Speaker 2>man and no one's even gonna believe. We see it

646
00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:01.199
<v Speaker 2>in a mountain lion. And they're just going to laugh

647
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:04.119
<v Speaker 2>at us, because every deer season somebody gets picked on.

648
00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:08.880
<v Speaker 2>They just do. Like. We also have a rule. It's

649
00:42:08.920 --> 00:42:13.400
<v Speaker 2>called shirttails if you miss a deer. If you shoot

650
00:42:13.480 --> 00:42:17.880
<v Speaker 2>and you miss a deer, we cut a piece of

651
00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:20.519
<v Speaker 2>your shirttail off. So the shirt you're wearing at camp

652
00:42:20.920 --> 00:42:23.760
<v Speaker 2>gets a little piece cut off it, you know, so

653
00:42:24.039 --> 00:42:28.800
<v Speaker 2>everybody gets weird stories or you know, we've had all

654
00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:31.840
<v Speaker 2>kinds of crazy things happen for a deer season that

655
00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:35.480
<v Speaker 2>people just do. You know, it's shooting a deer and

656
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:38.480
<v Speaker 2>find one drop of blood and they don't get it, well,

657
00:42:38.519 --> 00:42:41.679
<v Speaker 2>you missed, that's a shirttail. So we're sitting there thinking,

658
00:42:42.679 --> 00:42:45.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, well, we're going to have to tell them

659
00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:47.719
<v Speaker 2>we saw the mountain lion. We have to because that

660
00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:51.039
<v Speaker 2>thing's going to be out here. Hunting, and I have

661
00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:57.800
<v Speaker 2>a couple family members that are not in the greatest

662
00:42:57.880 --> 00:43:01.960
<v Speaker 2>shape at the time. Like one of my aunts is,

663
00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:05.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of overweight. She doesn't go very far

664
00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:08.559
<v Speaker 2>from the car, and she has foster kids that she

665
00:43:08.719 --> 00:43:11.880
<v Speaker 2>takes out hunting because she was you know, she was

666
00:43:11.920 --> 00:43:15.679
<v Speaker 2>growing up in that way with our family too, like

667
00:43:15.800 --> 00:43:18.960
<v Speaker 2>take a good kid hunting, teach them some responsibility, teach

668
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:24.480
<v Speaker 2>them safety things like that. You know, I think keeping

669
00:43:24.519 --> 00:43:27.639
<v Speaker 2>guns away from kids, no, you can't, you can't touch it,

670
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:32.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, creates a you know, it's just like, don't

671
00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:34.840
<v Speaker 2>ever do that, And well it makes you want to

672
00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:37.440
<v Speaker 2>do it because the parents said, why can't you do it?

673
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:39.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, but if you teach them a safe way,

674
00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:43.239
<v Speaker 2>well anyway, that's why I'm sitting there thinking, we got

675
00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:46.280
<v Speaker 2>to tell them we saw a mountain lion. And he's like, yeah,

676
00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:48.719
<v Speaker 2>we'll do that, but they're not going to believe it.

677
00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:54.440
<v Speaker 2>And my cousin Dennis had like abum knee and he's

678
00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:59.960
<v Speaker 2>twenty some years in the National Guard, and I'm just

679
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:03.320
<v Speaker 2>it's like my grandma. I wasn't worried about her because

680
00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:06.599
<v Speaker 2>she's been hunting her whole life and she shot antelope

681
00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:10.639
<v Speaker 2>and mule deer and white tail and wild boars. And

682
00:44:10.679 --> 00:44:15.000
<v Speaker 2>she shot almost all animals except over in Africa. But

683
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:19.559
<v Speaker 2>and she didn't even she was she didn't even hunt

684
00:44:19.599 --> 00:44:22.000
<v Speaker 2>over in that area. She was hunting on the opposite end.

685
00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:27.000
<v Speaker 2>And just I thought about some of the kids. Though.

686
00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:30.800
<v Speaker 2>Some of these foster kids are only twelve, the sixteen,

687
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:34.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, So I'm like, oh, they could be out there,

688
00:44:34.079 --> 00:44:38.400
<v Speaker 2>and who knows, you know, she she don't think there's

689
00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:41.239
<v Speaker 2>a mountain lying around. Yeah, go ahead and take a pee,

690
00:44:41.239 --> 00:44:43.440
<v Speaker 2>but make it fast, and you never know. I mean,

691
00:44:43.519 --> 00:44:47.280
<v Speaker 2>they could snatch up a kid. One of her kids

692
00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:52.440
<v Speaker 2>that she had up was very small. She was only

693
00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:56.280
<v Speaker 2>like twelve years old and eighty pounds, a very small

694
00:44:56.360 --> 00:44:59.800
<v Speaker 2>girl that she had that she took out hunting. So

695
00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:03.400
<v Speaker 2>we're just trying to sit there and debate on who

696
00:45:03.400 --> 00:45:06.519
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna tell and how we're gonna tell them. And

697
00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:10.400
<v Speaker 2>then now we're gonna get in trouble for going back

698
00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:13.679
<v Speaker 2>there and maybe scaring deer the day before deer season,

699
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:16.920
<v Speaker 2>and you know, they don't really like us doing that,

700
00:45:17.079 --> 00:45:20.480
<v Speaker 2>and that I was against it and got it d

701
00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:23.159
<v Speaker 2>da da, And then we're then and then we're sitting

702
00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:25.639
<v Speaker 2>there thinking about, well, we got a hunt here tomorrow too,

703
00:45:25.840 --> 00:45:28.000
<v Speaker 2>what if this thing is still around? That's what I

704
00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:31.000
<v Speaker 2>was telling my uncle Tony. And he's like, well, I

705
00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:33.360
<v Speaker 2>don't know, man, there's gonna be like twenty of us

706
00:45:33.719 --> 00:45:36.960
<v Speaker 2>back here, and there's at least another dozen people that

707
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:40.679
<v Speaker 2>come up from Illinois, and I mean all these guns

708
00:45:40.760 --> 00:45:44.480
<v Speaker 2>going off. He's like, that thing's not going to be around,

709
00:45:44.679 --> 00:45:48.440
<v Speaker 2>or that mountain lion, it's long gone. And I'm like, yeah,

710
00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:53.000
<v Speaker 2>I hope. So I mean start killing deer and there's

711
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:56.519
<v Speaker 2>gut piles laying around, it might it might stick around. Yeah,

712
00:45:56.719 --> 00:46:00.079
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't thinking of that. You know, maybe it'll come

713
00:46:00.119 --> 00:46:05.199
<v Speaker 2>back at night, you know, and some of us come

714
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:09.280
<v Speaker 2>hunting at you know. I always like to get in

715
00:46:09.320 --> 00:46:11.639
<v Speaker 2>the woods before the sun comes up. I go in

716
00:46:11.679 --> 00:46:17.400
<v Speaker 2>with a flashlight all the time, and even now I will,

717
00:46:17.599 --> 00:46:21.880
<v Speaker 2>but I'm usually with somebody if I do that. So

718
00:46:24.559 --> 00:46:27.280
<v Speaker 2>it was just crazy just trying to go through. They're

719
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:30.000
<v Speaker 2>not gonna believe we saw a mountain lion. There's no

720
00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:34.119
<v Speaker 2>way we can even tell them we saw. I called

721
00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:36.920
<v Speaker 2>it a werewolf because ninety five I don't think there

722
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:39.880
<v Speaker 2>was We knew about a dog man or anything like

723
00:46:39.960 --> 00:46:42.800
<v Speaker 2>I was saying to Vic. I told him I believed

724
00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:45.559
<v Speaker 2>in Sasquatch. I saw the video when I was a

725
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:51.480
<v Speaker 2>little kid. And my uncle Herman, He's he was a

726
00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:55.679
<v Speaker 2>guy that like would go out and just camp in

727
00:46:55.719 --> 00:46:59.920
<v Speaker 2>the Wasatch Mountains for like a whole month just to

728
00:46:59.880 --> 00:47:02.679
<v Speaker 2>say he did it. He did a lot of crazy things.

729
00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:06.599
<v Speaker 2>And he told me he saw a couple sasquatch before

730
00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:09.719
<v Speaker 2>they even came into his camp and stuff like that. Well,

731
00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:12.159
<v Speaker 2>he was one of the first I told before I

732
00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:15.440
<v Speaker 2>told my grandma. I told my grandma, like I think

733
00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:19.639
<v Speaker 2>it was. I think it was a year or two later,

734
00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:22.760
<v Speaker 2>or I might have told her after your season about

735
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:25.679
<v Speaker 2>the dog band thing too, but I'm not positive. I

736
00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:28.000
<v Speaker 2>did tell my uncle Hermit no, and he told me,

737
00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:31.119
<v Speaker 2>He's like, you can't. You can't go around telling people

738
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:34.800
<v Speaker 2>that they're gonna think you're nuts like me. And I'm

739
00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:39.400
<v Speaker 2>just like laughing, and I'm like, well whatever. So me

740
00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:41.920
<v Speaker 2>and my uncle Tony we finally decide, well, we're gonna

741
00:47:41.920 --> 00:47:43.880
<v Speaker 2>tell him that we saw mom and we have to

742
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:47.960
<v Speaker 2>because we saw it. There's no ifsands or butts, you know.

743
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:52.559
<v Speaker 2>And I was concerned a lot about the other one

744
00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:57.920
<v Speaker 2>because mountain lions I know about. I know that they

745
00:47:58.119 --> 00:48:01.079
<v Speaker 2>liked the stock up on, you know, things smaller than

746
00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:03.079
<v Speaker 2>them and snatch them up and run off. And they're

747
00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:06.039
<v Speaker 2>pretty silent and things like that, and or they could

748
00:48:06.079 --> 00:48:08.079
<v Speaker 2>sit up in a tree and pounce down on you.

749
00:48:08.599 --> 00:48:11.480
<v Speaker 2>But I don't know about a werewolf for a dog man,

750
00:48:11.559 --> 00:48:14.639
<v Speaker 2>or how it hunts or what it does. So that

751
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:19.199
<v Speaker 2>was concerning for me too. So when we did get

752
00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:25.519
<v Speaker 2>back and came inside and I told my aunt or

753
00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:29.519
<v Speaker 2>I told, we told everybody were like where were you guys? Well,

754
00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:31.920
<v Speaker 2>we went to get some land Jaeger's and beef jerky

755
00:48:31.960 --> 00:48:35.440
<v Speaker 2>and some beer for after hunting tomorrow. And we went

756
00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:39.360
<v Speaker 2>over by the hunting property over by Boublas. My Grandma's like,

757
00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:43.079
<v Speaker 2>what he's supposed to go in there? And well, yeah,

758
00:48:43.199 --> 00:48:45.920
<v Speaker 2>we only took one lap around. We only went like

759
00:48:46.000 --> 00:48:48.239
<v Speaker 2>ten or fifteen miles an hour. But we got to

760
00:48:48.280 --> 00:48:50.320
<v Speaker 2>tell you, you know, when we saw them outlining blah

761
00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:53.039
<v Speaker 2>blah blah, They're just like, you guys are so full

762
00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:58.280
<v Speaker 2>of crap. It's like, no, we really did. I swear,

763
00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:01.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, mynt Tony's like, I swear to God, I

764
00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:05.840
<v Speaker 2>swear to God, we did. And my cousin Ray, he

765
00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:08.679
<v Speaker 2>was in Vietnam. He took three tours of Vietnam. He

766
00:49:08.719 --> 00:49:11.320
<v Speaker 2>wasn't really scared of anything. He kept signing up to

767
00:49:11.320 --> 00:49:17.199
<v Speaker 2>go back and he just I don't know, I can't

768
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:18.880
<v Speaker 2>believe he made it through one tour and then he

769
00:49:18.920 --> 00:49:22.519
<v Speaker 2>went two more tours. But he wasn't scared of it.

770
00:49:22.559 --> 00:49:25.079
<v Speaker 2>He's like, well, you know, if you're scared of them,

771
00:49:25.519 --> 00:49:27.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, then they're gonna come after you. If you're

772
00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:29.400
<v Speaker 2>not scared of them, and you want to look bigger

773
00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:32.320
<v Speaker 2>than them and just don't put your in a sofa situation.

774
00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:36.360
<v Speaker 2>He's trying to say, well, there hasn't been a mountain

775
00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:40.360
<v Speaker 2>lion sighting in Wisconsin since way back in the eighteen

776
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:43.800
<v Speaker 2>hundreds or something like that. He was saying, we saw them,

777
00:49:44.199 --> 00:49:47.800
<v Speaker 2>and he sure it wasn't a no, I said, links

778
00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:52.760
<v Speaker 2>and bobcats don't have four or five foot tails. You know.

779
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:55.559
<v Speaker 2>It was like the same mountain lions almost looked the

780
00:49:55.599 --> 00:49:58.840
<v Speaker 2>same color as a deer. They got the same brownish

781
00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:04.280
<v Speaker 2>tan color or whatever. Yeah, they just they didn't want

782
00:50:04.320 --> 00:50:06.840
<v Speaker 2>to believe it. Well, there was a few jokes going

783
00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:10.159
<v Speaker 2>on to my aunt. My aunt was saying, well, I'm

784
00:50:10.199 --> 00:50:12.000
<v Speaker 2>not going to go out of fire in the woods anyway.

785
00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:14.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna sit over here by the road. And

786
00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:17.599
<v Speaker 2>that's when I said, well, that's kind of where I

787
00:50:17.639 --> 00:50:20.960
<v Speaker 2>saw it, where this is where we've seen it cross

788
00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:24.159
<v Speaker 2>right here. And I really didn't want to feel comfortable

789
00:50:24.199 --> 00:50:27.599
<v Speaker 2>with her sitting there, you know, watching the road. But

790
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:32.960
<v Speaker 2>nothing happened. Nobody ever seen it again. We didn't see

791
00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:37.039
<v Speaker 2>it again. I never got any kind of fear out

792
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:41.360
<v Speaker 2>of it, like some people say, and I attribute that

793
00:50:41.480 --> 00:50:44.079
<v Speaker 2>to I was in the car, the windows were up,

794
00:50:45.639 --> 00:50:49.360
<v Speaker 2>they were locked. I felt pretty safe. Yeah. I didn't

795
00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:51.320
<v Speaker 2>have a gun, but I had a knife, I had

796
00:50:51.320 --> 00:50:55.880
<v Speaker 2>a flashlight. My uncle Tony was with me. I felt

797
00:50:55.880 --> 00:50:59.000
<v Speaker 2>like if something like tried to get us, he'd be

798
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:03.280
<v Speaker 2>able to you know, outrun it or run it over

799
00:51:03.559 --> 00:51:05.840
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, and we'd be able to get away. I

800
00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:10.719
<v Speaker 2>didn't get that fear, but I did get the wow

801
00:51:10.920 --> 00:51:15.360
<v Speaker 2>factor when it looked our way out of the corner

802
00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:18.559
<v Speaker 2>of its eyes and they just I've never seen anything

803
00:51:19.719 --> 00:51:24.559
<v Speaker 2>shine yellow like not glow, well, yeah, glowing and shining.

804
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:28.519
<v Speaker 2>It was almost like it had many lights inside its eyes,

805
00:51:28.599 --> 00:51:34.280
<v Speaker 2>like it was crazy. That wowed me. I was like speechless,

806
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:37.079
<v Speaker 2>and then the ears came up and it stood up,

807
00:51:37.159 --> 00:51:42.360
<v Speaker 2>and it went from being just a wolf to something that, hey, man,

808
00:51:42.440 --> 00:51:47.320
<v Speaker 2>these ain't real, you know. The only thing next to

809
00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:49.880
<v Speaker 2>sea is you know, a vampire trying to get us

810
00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:54.119
<v Speaker 2>or something. It's just crazy that we see a mountain

811
00:51:54.199 --> 00:51:58.159
<v Speaker 2>lion and then within a minute a dog man or

812
00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:00.400
<v Speaker 2>a werewolf. That's like I said, that's what I call.

813
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:03.159
<v Speaker 2>My uncle Tony called it a werewolf too. He didn't

814
00:52:03.199 --> 00:52:06.639
<v Speaker 2>know what it was, but every year after that, before

815
00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:11.079
<v Speaker 2>deer season, we would talk about it, like if we

816
00:52:11.119 --> 00:52:14.079
<v Speaker 2>see that thing and blah blah blah. And something I

817
00:52:14.119 --> 00:52:18.320
<v Speaker 2>forgot to tell Vic yesterday was after that incident happened.

818
00:52:18.840 --> 00:52:23.480
<v Speaker 2>My uncle Tony always hunted with a thirty thirty Winchester. Well,

819
00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:25.599
<v Speaker 2>I have a three hundred weather be mag that my

820
00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:30.000
<v Speaker 2>grandpa left me when he died. It was one of

821
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:32.440
<v Speaker 2>the older models, a really nice one, the Mark five

822
00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:39.119
<v Speaker 2>action with the rosewood tips on it and got it

823
00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:42.960
<v Speaker 2>out really really nice gun. A three hundred weather be

824
00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:46.079
<v Speaker 2>mag would a scope and all that. He switched from

825
00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:49.400
<v Speaker 2>the thirty thirty to the three hundred weather Be opening

826
00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:52.719
<v Speaker 2>morning because he said, if I see it I want

827
00:52:52.760 --> 00:52:55.360
<v Speaker 2>to have some extra firepower to knock it down, you know.

828
00:52:55.440 --> 00:52:58.360
<v Speaker 2>And I use the two seventy Winchester, which I know

829
00:52:58.639 --> 00:53:03.800
<v Speaker 2>is enough to take anything. I mean, I've shot deer

830
00:53:04.599 --> 00:53:06.719
<v Speaker 2>four hundred and fifty five hundred yards with it and

831
00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:10.599
<v Speaker 2>dropped them right there. So plus I handload my own AMMO,

832
00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:14.000
<v Speaker 2>and I even handloaded for the weather Be. I handloaded

833
00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:18.280
<v Speaker 2>for the thirty thirty. But yeah, it was that was

834
00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:22.519
<v Speaker 2>just something that I forgot to tell Vic yesterday about.

835
00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:26.880
<v Speaker 2>My uncle Tony was definitely concerned about that, and he's like, hey,

836
00:53:26.920 --> 00:53:28.719
<v Speaker 2>can I use the Can I use your three hundred

837
00:53:28.719 --> 00:53:32.400
<v Speaker 2>weather Be? And that that gun was like, it's sentimental

838
00:53:32.440 --> 00:53:35.440
<v Speaker 2>to me, very sentimental. And it was made in like

839
00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:40.679
<v Speaker 2>I believe late fifties or early sixties when Roy Weatherby

840
00:53:40.760 --> 00:53:44.039
<v Speaker 2>first started making them, so it only had a four

841
00:53:44.079 --> 00:53:49.840
<v Speaker 2>digit serial number. I was kind of apprehensive. I don't

842
00:53:49.840 --> 00:53:52.840
<v Speaker 2>want I'm scratching in or falling. No, No, I won't,

843
00:53:52.920 --> 00:53:56.519
<v Speaker 2>I won't. Yeah, okay, fine, Yeah, I let him hunt

844
00:53:56.599 --> 00:54:00.039
<v Speaker 2>with it just because of that, and I was I

845
00:54:00.119 --> 00:54:03.199
<v Speaker 2>was definitely more aware when I was out there, but

846
00:54:03.239 --> 00:54:06.519
<v Speaker 2>it really didn't affect my hunting. And another thing that's

847
00:54:06.599 --> 00:54:11.599
<v Speaker 2>strange is I saw twenty three deer opening day, not

848
00:54:11.760 --> 00:54:15.280
<v Speaker 2>one buck. I had twenty three deer come out some

849
00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:18.280
<v Speaker 2>of them, so there was actually a herd of like

850
00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:22.280
<v Speaker 2>six of them. All those they stood within fifty yards

851
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:27.320
<v Speaker 2>of me watching another hunter that was going into his standard,

852
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:30.280
<v Speaker 2>walking into the woods, and they didn't even see me,

853
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:34.000
<v Speaker 2>and I had them each one. I'm lying up looking

854
00:54:34.039 --> 00:54:36.119
<v Speaker 2>at him in my scope. Yeah, oh boy, I'd like

855
00:54:36.159 --> 00:54:40.119
<v Speaker 2>to take you who you're fat one. And there was

856
00:54:40.159 --> 00:54:42.840
<v Speaker 2>probably like seven people that had a Hunter's Choice that

857
00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:48.119
<v Speaker 2>year in our party, but nobody wanted their deer shot

858
00:54:48.239 --> 00:54:51.440
<v Speaker 2>for him. Opening weekend. They said no, no, no, we

859
00:54:51.519 --> 00:54:53.880
<v Speaker 2>want to shoot our own. I was like, well, you

860
00:54:53.880 --> 00:54:56.320
<v Speaker 2>guys are going to be eating tag soup then, because

861
00:54:57.239 --> 00:55:01.159
<v Speaker 2>it gets harder to see deer after O weekend. Opening weekend,

862
00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:03.000
<v Speaker 2>they don't know what to do. They're running everywhere because

863
00:55:03.000 --> 00:55:06.960
<v Speaker 2>they're getting shot at, and then they finally find sanctuary

864
00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:11.280
<v Speaker 2>to hide and that's what they do. And yeah, it's

865
00:55:11.320 --> 00:55:14.119
<v Speaker 2>gonna get harder to get one. And yeah, twenty three

866
00:55:14.119 --> 00:55:17.800
<v Speaker 2>to year opening day. Fortunately me and my uncle Tony

867
00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:22.280
<v Speaker 2>though we did. Everybody went home on Sunday night and

868
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:25.760
<v Speaker 2>came back up after Thanksgiving, me and my uncle Tony

869
00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:28.039
<v Speaker 2>and my grandma stayed up the whole week, the whole

870
00:55:28.119 --> 00:55:36.239
<v Speaker 2>nine days, and my grandma shot a doe. We were

871
00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:38.320
<v Speaker 2>Me and my uncle Tony did a small drive on

872
00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:42.320
<v Speaker 2>by our property and did the small drive. My grandma

873
00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:46.239
<v Speaker 2>got a doe, my uncle Tony shot a doe. And

874
00:55:46.280 --> 00:55:48.840
<v Speaker 2>then on Thanksgiving Day, me and my uncle Tony went

875
00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:52.599
<v Speaker 2>back on the neighbor's property behind us, who owns eighty

876
00:55:52.639 --> 00:55:55.599
<v Speaker 2>acres and mountcle Tony said, well, I'm gonna walk all

877
00:55:55.639 --> 00:55:58.159
<v Speaker 2>around bow across dead Horse Creek, and then I'm gonna

878
00:55:58.159 --> 00:55:59.920
<v Speaker 2>sneak back see if I can push something to you.

879
00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:03.719
<v Speaker 2>Two hours go by and I don't see him. I'm like,

880
00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:08.199
<v Speaker 2>what the heck's going on? There's a long drive. Well,

881
00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:10.559
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden, I hear a shot go off,

882
00:56:11.039 --> 00:56:12.679
<v Speaker 2>and I see out of the corner of my eye

883
00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:16.119
<v Speaker 2>a white flag and it's a deer. It's a deer coming.

884
00:56:16.239 --> 00:56:19.559
<v Speaker 2>It's running toward me from far away, I mean, way

885
00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:23.760
<v Speaker 2>across this eighty acres of oak, and I was up

886
00:56:23.800 --> 00:56:29.440
<v Speaker 2>in a big tree stand that I kind of just

887
00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:33.239
<v Speaker 2>comming deer for that day. I did have permission to

888
00:56:33.320 --> 00:56:36.559
<v Speaker 2>hunt back there. He wasn't back there, the owner, but

889
00:56:36.960 --> 00:56:40.000
<v Speaker 2>this deer came running toward me and it stopped and

890
00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:42.280
<v Speaker 2>it was looking around, and all of a sudden, a

891
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:45.320
<v Speaker 2>shot goes off. Uncle Tony shot at it, and the

892
00:56:45.360 --> 00:56:48.599
<v Speaker 2>deer just runs about within one hundred yards of me,

893
00:56:48.639 --> 00:56:51.440
<v Speaker 2>and I shoot and I drop it, and he was like,

894
00:56:51.559 --> 00:56:53.960
<v Speaker 2>but he was yelling, it's coming your way, It's coming

895
00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:57.159
<v Speaker 2>your way, and this deer was just running. Man. That

896
00:56:57.239 --> 00:56:58.840
<v Speaker 2>thing was really out of breath by the time it

897
00:56:58.880 --> 00:57:00.480
<v Speaker 2>got to me, and it was a five point fuck

898
00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:04.039
<v Speaker 2>and my grandma was back making Thanksgiving dinner that day.

899
00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:07.239
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, so we got three deer that year. That

900
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:10.719
<v Speaker 2>was like one of our worst years. And I me

901
00:57:10.760 --> 00:57:14.320
<v Speaker 2>and my uncle Tony, we attributed that to that dog

902
00:57:14.440 --> 00:57:18.800
<v Speaker 2>man wolf where wolf Mountain lion thing is like just

903
00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:22.280
<v Speaker 2>bad luck because we never shot that few of deer

904
00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:27.000
<v Speaker 2>in a season out of usually is seventeen to twenty

905
00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:30.719
<v Speaker 2>five people hunting, and I think that year we had

906
00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:34.760
<v Speaker 2>twenty people, twenty one people, and we only got four deer.

907
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:39.800
<v Speaker 2>Usually we get at least half ten, you know, twelve

908
00:57:39.880 --> 00:57:44.599
<v Speaker 2>thirteen deer, and we only got that the whole season,

909
00:57:44.719 --> 00:57:46.679
<v Speaker 2>so it was like and we didn't even shoot any

910
00:57:46.719 --> 00:57:50.480
<v Speaker 2>deer over there. And that's the first year before or

911
00:57:50.679 --> 00:57:58.960
<v Speaker 2>since that we've seen that sighting of that thing. Years

912
00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:02.280
<v Speaker 2>after that, no problem. We've got lots of deer in there,

913
00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:08.360
<v Speaker 2>but that year, Nope, didn't get anything. So I mean

914
00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:11.000
<v Speaker 2>that's that's pretty much what happened.

915
00:58:12.039 --> 00:58:14.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that is a big number of hunters to only

916
00:58:14.079 --> 00:58:18.119
<v Speaker 1>come out with. So if you deer, I agree. If

917
00:58:18.159 --> 00:58:20.159
<v Speaker 1>you've had a dog mean encounter that you need help

918
00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:22.000
<v Speaker 1>dealing with, or if you'd like to be a guest

919
00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:25.599
<v Speaker 1>on the show, please go to Dogmanencounters dot com and

920
00:58:25.599 --> 00:58:28.880
<v Speaker 1>submit a report. If you've had a bigfoot sighting, we'd

921
00:58:28.960 --> 00:58:30.320
<v Speaker 1>like to be a guest on one of my two

922
00:58:30.320 --> 00:58:34.840
<v Speaker 1>big foot podcasts, please go to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com.

923
00:58:35.639 --> 00:58:37.320
<v Speaker 1>What's the understory that woods?

924
00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:39.719
<v Speaker 2>Like? The understory?

925
00:58:40.480 --> 00:58:42.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Is there a lot of brush or is it

926
00:58:42.400 --> 00:58:43.039
<v Speaker 1>pretty open?

927
00:58:44.559 --> 00:58:48.320
<v Speaker 2>Well? I said, it has oak rolling ridges with big

928
00:58:48.360 --> 00:58:52.320
<v Speaker 2>oak trees with rolling ridges in there. It has spots

929
00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:56.559
<v Speaker 2>where it's dogwood and tamarack. I don't know what you

930
00:58:56.840 --> 00:58:59.880
<v Speaker 2>if you know what that is, it's uh, they kind

931
00:58:59.880 --> 00:59:03.360
<v Speaker 2>of look like birch trees. They're white, but they really

932
00:59:03.440 --> 00:59:06.800
<v Speaker 2>don't get much bigger around than your wrist or your forearm,

933
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:10.800
<v Speaker 2>and they're really close together, you know, they're like really

934
00:59:10.840 --> 00:59:13.559
<v Speaker 2>close together, Like I mean, a deer can squeeze in

935
00:59:13.639 --> 00:59:16.639
<v Speaker 2>through it. And there's probably a section of it that's

936
00:59:16.679 --> 00:59:20.440
<v Speaker 2>probably well, I don't know, twenty acres of it, and

937
00:59:20.719 --> 00:59:23.639
<v Speaker 2>it's the area in there where it's kind of swampy

938
00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:28.360
<v Speaker 2>or pete mossy like on the other end of it,

939
00:59:28.559 --> 00:59:31.360
<v Speaker 2>there's like a lot of pine trees and stuff, and

940
00:59:31.400 --> 00:59:35.960
<v Speaker 2>then there's a few open areas, you know, but it's

941
00:59:36.039 --> 00:59:38.280
<v Speaker 2>the perfect place to hunt, like I said, with the

942
00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:41.880
<v Speaker 2>stream that runs through there too, they got water. And

943
00:59:41.920 --> 00:59:44.639
<v Speaker 2>then on the on the end of it by Reese's Field,

944
00:59:45.320 --> 00:59:48.760
<v Speaker 2>which is would have been behind us when we were

945
00:59:48.800 --> 00:59:52.119
<v Speaker 2>going down the road. Reese's Field. That guy he planted

946
00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:55.320
<v Speaker 2>corn there every year and they lived in Chicago and

947
00:59:55.360 --> 01:00:00.559
<v Speaker 2>they only came up opening weekend, so the would have

948
01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:06.079
<v Speaker 2>corn and just acorns galore too. I mean, you wouldn't

949
01:00:06.079 --> 01:00:09.639
<v Speaker 2>believe how many acorns would be all over that place

950
01:00:09.679 --> 01:00:14.199
<v Speaker 2>that these deer were eating. So it's sure to see

951
01:00:14.239 --> 01:00:17.519
<v Speaker 2>twenty three deer opening morning, I was just astounded. I

952
01:00:17.599 --> 01:00:20.800
<v Speaker 2>never seen that many deer, but it's like I didn't

953
01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:24.280
<v Speaker 2>see any books. I've never seen twenty three deer before,

954
01:00:24.440 --> 01:00:26.599
<v Speaker 2>so it was kind of like a blessing and a

955
01:00:26.639 --> 01:00:28.719
<v Speaker 2>curse all at once. I could have shot almost every

956
01:00:28.760 --> 01:00:32.480
<v Speaker 2>single one of them, but everyone's like no. I was like,

957
01:00:32.719 --> 01:00:35.199
<v Speaker 2>I saw so when I took my break and I

958
01:00:35.239 --> 01:00:39.079
<v Speaker 2>went back for hot chocolate and coffee and something like that,

959
01:00:39.599 --> 01:00:42.239
<v Speaker 2>I went back to the car at well, I don't know,

960
01:00:42.320 --> 01:00:45.519
<v Speaker 2>ten o'clock or something, and I'm like, yeah, I saw

961
01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:48.599
<v Speaker 2>like eight deer already. Why don't you shoot it? Well,

962
01:00:48.639 --> 01:00:51.159
<v Speaker 2>nobody wants to. They said they didn't want the tag

963
01:00:51.199 --> 01:00:55.440
<v Speaker 2>filled yet, and they're like, oh, well, yeah, that's true.

964
01:00:55.519 --> 01:00:58.039
<v Speaker 2>You know it is opening weekend, it's early. I'm like, well,

965
01:00:58.639 --> 01:01:00.000
<v Speaker 2>that's what I said. You guys are going to be

966
01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:04.239
<v Speaker 2>eating tag soup, and when you're gonna be crying that,

967
01:01:04.400 --> 01:01:05.800
<v Speaker 2>you know you should have me shoot it.

968
01:01:06.880 --> 01:01:09.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that they would be. And yet you did mention

969
01:01:09.920 --> 01:01:13.800
<v Speaker 1>that the woods had all those small trees and that brush,

970
01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:16.880
<v Speaker 1>but you never did say how denseil was. So that's

971
01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:19.760
<v Speaker 1>why I didn't know. Did the dog Man come out

972
01:01:19.760 --> 01:01:21.840
<v Speaker 1>of the woods at the exact same spot where the

973
01:01:21.840 --> 01:01:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Mountain Lion did, or a little bit different of a

974
01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:26.880
<v Speaker 1>place it did?

975
01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:30.119
<v Speaker 2>Come out at the from what we could tell. When

976
01:01:30.119 --> 01:01:33.079
<v Speaker 2>we went back the next day we measured it up.

977
01:01:33.159 --> 01:01:36.000
<v Speaker 2>We couldn't see any tracks. We couldn't see nothing because

978
01:01:36.840 --> 01:01:39.639
<v Speaker 2>we didn't go there like when light was up. We

979
01:01:39.679 --> 01:01:42.800
<v Speaker 2>actually went to our hunting spots, to our stands. Even

980
01:01:42.840 --> 01:01:47.920
<v Speaker 2>though I wanted to look at that and check it out,

981
01:01:49.000 --> 01:01:50.679
<v Speaker 2>I just felt like, well, there's not a lot of

982
01:01:50.719 --> 01:01:54.039
<v Speaker 2>people driving down the road. We only seem like maybe

983
01:01:54.920 --> 01:01:59.639
<v Speaker 2>uh two vehicles maybe that day, and they didn't even

984
01:01:59.639 --> 01:02:03.400
<v Speaker 2>go so if they would have crossed the tracks, they

985
01:02:03.400 --> 01:02:06.320
<v Speaker 2>didn't go back that way out, so they went across

986
01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:09.440
<v Speaker 2>it once and then they can actually turn into their property.

987
01:02:09.440 --> 01:02:12.039
<v Speaker 2>They were probably from over there. And then another one

988
01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:15.960
<v Speaker 2>turned over by seven point corners and then went out

989
01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:20.079
<v Speaker 2>that way toward Mike Boubla's property, which is the way

990
01:02:20.119 --> 01:02:26.719
<v Speaker 2>out of the property. But me and my uncle Tony

991
01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:31.599
<v Speaker 2>around the afternoon after we sat and I saw a

992
01:02:31.639 --> 01:02:34.840
<v Speaker 2>deer and I was like, man, and I told him too,

993
01:02:34.840 --> 01:02:36.639
<v Speaker 2>and he saw a bunch of dose too, And he

994
01:02:36.679 --> 01:02:39.760
<v Speaker 2>didn't have a tag. I didn't have a tag and

995
01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:41.960
<v Speaker 2>all that. That was the year too that he was

996
01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:44.840
<v Speaker 2>getting married and he didn't have a lot of money.

997
01:02:45.599 --> 01:02:47.880
<v Speaker 2>And I actually paid for his hunting license, which was

998
01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:50.679
<v Speaker 2>one hundred dollars, so out of state was like one

999
01:02:50.719 --> 01:02:53.519
<v Speaker 2>hundred bucks. And he's like, well, I really can't come

1000
01:02:53.559 --> 01:02:56.079
<v Speaker 2>down unless you're gonna pay for my I was like, yeah,

1001
01:02:56.119 --> 01:03:00.199
<v Speaker 2>I got you, man, I got you. So yeah, we

1002
01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:02.599
<v Speaker 2>went back and we looked and looked and looked, and

1003
01:03:03.920 --> 01:03:06.400
<v Speaker 2>we couldn't see nothing. And like I said, the ground

1004
01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:10.320
<v Speaker 2>was really hard too. It was, Yeah, it is sand,

1005
01:03:10.559 --> 01:03:14.840
<v Speaker 2>but it's like hard sands, it's not kind of like

1006
01:03:14.920 --> 01:03:17.960
<v Speaker 2>we got a few spots around. Maybe just down the

1007
01:03:18.039 --> 01:03:23.800
<v Speaker 2>road from me, there's another part that the DNR owns,

1008
01:03:23.920 --> 01:03:26.679
<v Speaker 2>and this is probably like maybe fifteen hundred acres. It's

1009
01:03:26.719 --> 01:03:29.480
<v Speaker 2>probably twice as big as this place. But they've already

1010
01:03:29.519 --> 01:03:33.039
<v Speaker 2>clear cut it twice, and they planted like pine trees

1011
01:03:33.079 --> 01:03:37.480
<v Speaker 2>in rows, but they did leave some bigger oaks so

1012
01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:40.280
<v Speaker 2>to kind of leave it like an old growth forest.

1013
01:03:40.599 --> 01:03:43.719
<v Speaker 2>But the place we hunted at was old growth forests.

1014
01:03:43.480 --> 01:03:48.320
<v Speaker 2>This place probably wasn't clear cut for eighty or one

1015
01:03:48.400 --> 01:03:52.519
<v Speaker 2>hundred years or something like that, you know, so it

1016
01:03:52.639 --> 01:03:55.119
<v Speaker 2>had a lot. It was like, this is the best

1017
01:03:55.159 --> 01:03:56.000
<v Speaker 2>hunting ever.

1018
01:03:57.079 --> 01:04:00.960
<v Speaker 1>Sounds like a nice woods. I saw that dog man

1019
01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:03.079
<v Speaker 1>how long did it take you to start thinking about

1020
01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:05.840
<v Speaker 1>all the time you'd spent in those woods without even

1021
01:04:05.880 --> 01:04:07.599
<v Speaker 1>knowing what could have been out.

1022
01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:11.480
<v Speaker 2>There Opening Day? That night, when I got back home,

1023
01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:13.960
<v Speaker 2>it was pretty hard to sleep because I was thinking

1024
01:04:13.960 --> 01:04:18.079
<v Speaker 2>about the next day. I mean, in the early eighties,

1025
01:04:18.280 --> 01:04:20.800
<v Speaker 2>we all sat, you know. My grandma basically taught me

1026
01:04:20.840 --> 01:04:23.639
<v Speaker 2>to sit on a stump or a log or something

1027
01:04:23.679 --> 01:04:26.039
<v Speaker 2>like that. We didn't really have deer stands in the eighties.

1028
01:04:26.079 --> 01:04:28.599
<v Speaker 2>They did for bow hunting, but not for rifle hunters.

1029
01:04:29.199 --> 01:04:32.199
<v Speaker 2>Nineties came along, everybody started stand hunting. I was one

1030
01:04:32.199 --> 01:04:35.320
<v Speaker 2>of the first to stand hunt, so in ninety five

1031
01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:38.239
<v Speaker 2>I was in a stand. A lot of my other

1032
01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:41.920
<v Speaker 2>party members didn't hunt and stand yet, so I felt

1033
01:04:41.920 --> 01:04:44.599
<v Speaker 2>pretty safe being in the stand. And my stand was

1034
01:04:44.679 --> 01:04:48.119
<v Speaker 2>like eighteen feet I mean, I like, I said, that's

1035
01:04:48.119 --> 01:04:51.559
<v Speaker 2>probably not too high up for a werewolf, dog man

1036
01:04:51.599 --> 01:04:55.039
<v Speaker 2>to get me or a mount lion. But usually I

1037
01:04:55.159 --> 01:04:57.239
<v Speaker 2>hunt in an area where I can see pretty good

1038
01:04:57.239 --> 01:05:02.159
<v Speaker 2>because I like to shoot more of a distance. So yeah,

1039
01:05:02.199 --> 01:05:09.119
<v Speaker 2>that Opening day, I was just man, you know, thinking, well,

1040
01:05:09.119 --> 01:05:11.480
<v Speaker 2>if it comes up on me, what am I gonna do?

1041
01:05:11.639 --> 01:05:17.920
<v Speaker 2>You know? And yeah, it's just now I know a

1042
01:05:17.920 --> 01:05:20.920
<v Speaker 2>little more about it, but back then it was very

1043
01:05:22.320 --> 01:05:24.960
<v Speaker 2>It was. It was just concerning. That's why I told

1044
01:05:25.000 --> 01:05:27.519
<v Speaker 2>you I was worried about other family members, like where

1045
01:05:27.559 --> 01:05:30.800
<v Speaker 2>they were sitting. And you know, not only the Mountain Lion,

1046
01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:34.679
<v Speaker 2>it was that dog man. Because I don't know anything

1047
01:05:34.719 --> 01:05:37.440
<v Speaker 2>about it. They don't tell you. Well, in my greats

1048
01:05:37.559 --> 01:05:40.320
<v Speaker 2>tier every year, and you know, it has these many

1049
01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:43.760
<v Speaker 2>pups and they weigh such and such, and you know

1050
01:05:43.880 --> 01:05:46.320
<v Speaker 2>they like the taste of people. I don't know, you know,

1051
01:05:47.599 --> 01:05:52.679
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, not knowing that it was the biggest thing

1052
01:05:52.719 --> 01:05:56.679
<v Speaker 2>in my mind, not knowing do they want to get you?

1053
01:05:57.079 --> 01:06:00.599
<v Speaker 2>Could they snatch you up and run away and nobody

1054
01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:04.079
<v Speaker 2>see you again? From what I seen, like I said,

1055
01:06:04.119 --> 01:06:06.840
<v Speaker 2>with them legs on it, it had legs like a

1056
01:06:06.960 --> 01:06:10.840
<v Speaker 2>running back like I don't know, not like an Emmitt Smith,

1057
01:06:10.880 --> 01:06:14.119
<v Speaker 2>but like a Terrelle Davis. I mean, big, huge, muscular,

1058
01:06:15.559 --> 01:06:19.719
<v Speaker 2>just cut legs. I could see the definition and the

1059
01:06:19.760 --> 01:06:22.119
<v Speaker 2>tone and the ripples in it, even in the shoulder,

1060
01:06:22.119 --> 01:06:24.840
<v Speaker 2>in the arm. You know, I probably didn't state that before.

1061
01:06:24.920 --> 01:06:30.239
<v Speaker 2>But and then the fur from the neck that came

1062
01:06:30.320 --> 01:06:34.840
<v Speaker 2>down was like a smoky grit. Well, yeah, it was

1063
01:06:34.880 --> 01:06:38.800
<v Speaker 2>like a black, all black until it got down to

1064
01:06:38.840 --> 01:06:41.239
<v Speaker 2>the waist and then marked towards the feet. I could

1065
01:06:41.280 --> 01:06:46.559
<v Speaker 2>see like a gray or a silver white. Even when

1066
01:06:46.599 --> 01:06:49.440
<v Speaker 2>certain people get gray hairs, they get white hairs instead,

1067
01:06:50.960 --> 01:06:52.599
<v Speaker 2>kind of like that. But it was a salt and

1068
01:06:52.599 --> 01:06:56.440
<v Speaker 2>pepper but it was mostly all black, like they say,

1069
01:06:56.559 --> 01:06:59.760
<v Speaker 2>it's like charcoal black that it blends in with the

1070
01:07:00.280 --> 01:07:04.920
<v Speaker 2>It was almost looked like a shadow like you know,

1071
01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:09.360
<v Speaker 2>like like they would say paranormal, but I could tell

1072
01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:12.599
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't paranormal. I could see it breathe. I could

1073
01:07:12.599 --> 01:07:14.639
<v Speaker 2>see it take a breath too, when you know, it

1074
01:07:14.719 --> 01:07:18.599
<v Speaker 2>stood up and stepped across the road and just all that.

1075
01:07:18.920 --> 01:07:21.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I didn't see big teeth or a yawn

1076
01:07:21.880 --> 01:07:23.840
<v Speaker 2>or a grin or nothing, because we were pretty far

1077
01:07:24.039 --> 01:07:27.000
<v Speaker 2>down the road. I'm sure our lights, I would think

1078
01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:30.039
<v Speaker 2>our lights were blinding it. It didn't know, And we

1079
01:07:30.039 --> 01:07:34.719
<v Speaker 2>were in a little Geometro three cylinder car that doesn't

1080
01:07:34.719 --> 01:07:38.159
<v Speaker 2>make a lot of noise and gets super gas mileage,

1081
01:07:38.159 --> 01:07:40.519
<v Speaker 2>so it's not very loud, so you can't even really

1082
01:07:40.559 --> 01:07:44.880
<v Speaker 2>hear it running. I'm like existing running, you know, so

1083
01:07:46.199 --> 01:07:48.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm sure we have better hearing, but yeah,

1084
01:07:48.440 --> 01:07:53.519
<v Speaker 2>it was I don't know, just yeah, I definitely thought

1085
01:07:53.519 --> 01:07:55.880
<v Speaker 2>about it, and me and my uncle Tony, we talked

1086
01:07:55.880 --> 01:07:57.559
<v Speaker 2>about it every year. That's why we're like, man, we

1087
01:07:57.599 --> 01:08:00.800
<v Speaker 2>should go hunt that thing one day. And you know,

1088
01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:05.320
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't until like year two thousand. I think it

1089
01:08:05.360 --> 01:08:08.320
<v Speaker 2>was about that two thousand and two thousand and one

1090
01:08:08.800 --> 01:08:14.679
<v Speaker 2>that I actually might have been ninety nine. Yeah, when

1091
01:08:14.719 --> 01:08:16.920
<v Speaker 2>I had a computer. I got my own computer, and

1092
01:08:16.960 --> 01:08:20.520
<v Speaker 2>I was looking it up and doing research on it.

1093
01:08:21.760 --> 01:08:23.399
<v Speaker 2>That's when I was saying that I'm like, we should

1094
01:08:23.439 --> 01:08:25.760
<v Speaker 2>go hunt that thing, and then if we get one,

1095
01:08:25.880 --> 01:08:27.439
<v Speaker 2>you know, we could turn it in and prove to

1096
01:08:27.479 --> 01:08:31.159
<v Speaker 2>everybody they do exist and then make sure not everybody's

1097
01:08:31.159 --> 01:08:35.640
<v Speaker 2>out there killing them or blah blah blah. Maybe they

1098
01:08:35.640 --> 01:08:39.880
<v Speaker 2>could study it or Yeah. Another story I had too

1099
01:08:40.000 --> 01:08:42.800
<v Speaker 2>is it's kind of funny, is when I was a kid,

1100
01:08:42.840 --> 01:08:45.560
<v Speaker 2>I got to be plus on it. My teacher said

1101
01:08:45.600 --> 01:08:47.800
<v Speaker 2>she wanted us to write a story on what we

1102
01:08:47.840 --> 01:08:50.439
<v Speaker 2>want to be when we grow up. Well, I wrote

1103
01:08:50.479 --> 01:08:54.920
<v Speaker 2>down that I was gonna get a sasquatch, turn it

1104
01:08:54.960 --> 01:08:57.960
<v Speaker 2>in and I would be rich off it, you know,

1105
01:08:58.239 --> 01:09:00.520
<v Speaker 2>and go on the news and all that donated to

1106
01:09:00.560 --> 01:09:05.039
<v Speaker 2>the museum. And she gave me credit for originality and stuff,

1107
01:09:05.039 --> 01:09:08.039
<v Speaker 2>but she said I should probably shoot for something more realistic.

1108
01:09:09.119 --> 01:09:14.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'd say so. Well, I tell you what, Bruno,

1109
01:09:14.319 --> 01:09:16.439
<v Speaker 1>We're about out of time. But before we get out

1110
01:09:16.439 --> 01:09:18.279
<v Speaker 1>of here, do you haveney clothes and comments you want

1111
01:09:18.279 --> 01:09:19.680
<v Speaker 1>to put out there for us?

1112
01:09:20.359 --> 01:09:24.600
<v Speaker 2>No, just that you know, I I came on here

1113
01:09:24.640 --> 01:09:28.560
<v Speaker 2>because not that I was traumatized from it. And again

1114
01:09:29.199 --> 01:09:31.520
<v Speaker 2>I may have been if I was in a different situation,

1115
01:09:31.840 --> 01:09:35.600
<v Speaker 2>if I was outside the car, or sitting in the

1116
01:09:35.600 --> 01:09:39.119
<v Speaker 2>woods all by myself like some of these people, or

1117
01:09:39.159 --> 01:09:41.000
<v Speaker 2>taking my dog out to go to the bathroom, and

1118
01:09:41.039 --> 01:09:44.840
<v Speaker 2>you see it, especially unarmed, I would feel Yeah, I

1119
01:09:44.880 --> 01:09:49.680
<v Speaker 2>don't know, but I mean I saw it way longer

1120
01:09:50.039 --> 01:09:53.840
<v Speaker 2>than I saw the mountain lion, right, And I know

1121
01:09:54.199 --> 01:10:00.159
<v Speaker 2>for a fact I saw a mountain lion, so I

1122
01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:05.079
<v Speaker 2>had to have seen a dog man. And my uncle

1123
01:10:05.199 --> 01:10:07.119
<v Speaker 2>was with me, and I wish he was still alive

1124
01:10:07.199 --> 01:10:13.159
<v Speaker 2>he died in twenty fourteen, because he would have told

1125
01:10:13.159 --> 01:10:16.840
<v Speaker 2>you the same story that just about to the tee,

1126
01:10:16.960 --> 01:10:20.319
<v Speaker 2>the exact same because you know, I mean we both

1127
01:10:20.359 --> 01:10:22.520
<v Speaker 2>described it the same way. He saw a few other

1128
01:10:22.600 --> 01:10:25.479
<v Speaker 2>things details that I didn't see, like he saw the

1129
01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:28.960
<v Speaker 2>right arm. He saw a couple other things I can't

1130
01:10:29.039 --> 01:10:33.039
<v Speaker 2>remember off hand, but that he noticed that I didn't,

1131
01:10:33.800 --> 01:10:37.039
<v Speaker 2>and of how big it was. That's why he switched

1132
01:10:37.039 --> 01:10:39.720
<v Speaker 2>to a different gun. And that's why I'm on here

1133
01:10:39.760 --> 01:10:43.359
<v Speaker 2>to let people know that I've told so with you,

1134
01:10:43.439 --> 01:10:46.119
<v Speaker 2>it's you're the eighth person I've ever told this story too,

1135
01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:51.520
<v Speaker 2>since nineteen ninety five, And the only other people I

1136
01:10:51.560 --> 01:10:54.039
<v Speaker 2>told were really close friends, So I never really got

1137
01:10:54.119 --> 01:10:56.239
<v Speaker 2>drunk at a party and like, hey, why aren't tell

1138
01:10:56.239 --> 01:10:59.199
<v Speaker 2>you a story? Where old? But I saw no. I mean,

1139
01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:02.319
<v Speaker 2>the only people I ever told were like, really really

1140
01:11:02.439 --> 01:11:07.920
<v Speaker 2>close friends, and I know they believed the cougar the

1141
01:11:07.960 --> 01:11:13.279
<v Speaker 2>mountain lion, and they did. A couple of them did

1142
01:11:13.319 --> 01:11:15.840
<v Speaker 2>tell me they believe me. They believed I saw it,

1143
01:11:15.880 --> 01:11:18.680
<v Speaker 2>but a couple of them was like, I don't know, man,

1144
01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:24.079
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. But it's just that I feel like

1145
01:11:24.920 --> 01:11:29.880
<v Speaker 2>people should know what I saw exist and if it

1146
01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:34.000
<v Speaker 2>was an apparition that looked like it was flesh and blood,

1147
01:11:34.119 --> 01:11:36.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I don't know what they are or

1148
01:11:37.000 --> 01:11:42.479
<v Speaker 2>I've never seen one since. I mean, there's so much

1149
01:11:42.920 --> 01:11:46.359
<v Speaker 2>unexplained that you just don't know. We don't have one,

1150
01:11:46.399 --> 01:11:49.359
<v Speaker 2>so we can't tell, but I know I saw it.

1151
01:11:50.600 --> 01:11:54.399
<v Speaker 2>You know, I've never seen a ghost, but I've seen this,

1152
01:11:54.640 --> 01:11:57.439
<v Speaker 2>and I've seen a mountain lion, and I've seen a moose,

1153
01:11:57.680 --> 01:12:01.640
<v Speaker 2>and i've seen an elk. You know, I'm seeing black beers,

1154
01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:07.000
<v Speaker 2>grizzly bears, porcupines, all that stuff. And I just want

1155
01:12:07.039 --> 01:12:10.439
<v Speaker 2>people to know that it is real. It's it's as

1156
01:12:10.520 --> 01:12:14.199
<v Speaker 2>real as you and me and me. And you had

1157
01:12:14.199 --> 01:12:16.920
<v Speaker 2>that talk too, and I said, well, you know, I

1158
01:12:16.960 --> 01:12:20.039
<v Speaker 2>think if I ever went out to try to hunt

1159
01:12:20.079 --> 01:12:22.000
<v Speaker 2>one or catch one or shoot it or whatever, and

1160
01:12:22.039 --> 01:12:23.800
<v Speaker 2>you're like, well, when they don't want to be seen,

1161
01:12:23.840 --> 01:12:25.920
<v Speaker 2>they don't want to be seen, And yeah, that may

1162
01:12:25.960 --> 01:12:30.760
<v Speaker 2>be true, but you know, I think if it is

1163
01:12:30.800 --> 01:12:34.159
<v Speaker 2>flesh and blood and it does bleed, you can kill it,

1164
01:12:34.840 --> 01:12:38.800
<v Speaker 2>but you know, you got to hit it in the

1165
01:12:38.880 --> 01:12:42.760
<v Speaker 2>right spot. And I think some of these people that say,

1166
01:12:42.800 --> 01:12:45.920
<v Speaker 2>well I shot it, I know I hit it. I

1167
01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:49.000
<v Speaker 2>know there's people that say they shot a deer, but

1168
01:12:49.079 --> 01:12:51.560
<v Speaker 2>we never found any blood. We never found a deer.

1169
01:12:52.560 --> 01:12:54.880
<v Speaker 2>And you got to remember, too, you're gonna shoot it

1170
01:12:55.000 --> 01:12:59.880
<v Speaker 2>something that doesn't exist. So if you don't believe it exists,

1171
01:13:00.560 --> 01:13:03.319
<v Speaker 2>how can you believe you can shoot it. You have

1172
01:13:03.399 --> 01:13:06.880
<v Speaker 2>to accept that it exists before you're gonna be able

1173
01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:12.159
<v Speaker 2>to hit it. That's my thoughts. I don't know, that's

1174
01:13:12.279 --> 01:13:15.600
<v Speaker 2>just if you don't believe it's real. I don't know

1175
01:13:15.640 --> 01:13:17.239
<v Speaker 2>if you're gonna believe you're gonna be able to hit

1176
01:13:17.279 --> 01:13:19.760
<v Speaker 2>it or believe you're gonna be able to kill it.

1177
01:13:20.479 --> 01:13:22.479
<v Speaker 2>I think you have to believe that it is real,

1178
01:13:23.000 --> 01:13:25.520
<v Speaker 2>and you need to take the extra steps, you know,

1179
01:13:25.880 --> 01:13:29.000
<v Speaker 2>just like they tell you, you know, take the safety off,

1180
01:13:29.159 --> 01:13:32.960
<v Speaker 2>take a nice breath, let it out, you know, don't

1181
01:13:33.319 --> 01:13:36.840
<v Speaker 2>jerk the trigger, don't yank the trigger. I've seen people

1182
01:13:36.880 --> 01:13:39.600
<v Speaker 2>shoot at a ten point buck one time with an

1183
01:13:39.720 --> 01:13:43.039
<v Speaker 2>m one car being and they had buck fever and

1184
01:13:43.079 --> 01:13:46.760
<v Speaker 2>they emptied all fifteen rounds out of the clip because

1185
01:13:46.800 --> 01:13:50.840
<v Speaker 2>there's a rear peep site and a front blade site.

1186
01:13:51.199 --> 01:13:54.119
<v Speaker 2>They looked over the front peep site and just looked

1187
01:13:54.159 --> 01:14:00.159
<v Speaker 2>at the front post and emptied their clip. So nerves happen, man,

1188
01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:03.119
<v Speaker 2>and something like that. I could see it definitely happen.

1189
01:14:03.960 --> 01:14:08.279
<v Speaker 2>If you didn't find blood. I just if they can

1190
01:14:08.399 --> 01:14:10.760
<v Speaker 2>bleed and they can die and they are flesh and blood.

1191
01:14:11.960 --> 01:14:14.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you see something like that. It does make it

1192
01:14:14.159 --> 01:14:16.399
<v Speaker 1>that much more difficult to get an accurate shot on.

1193
01:14:17.119 --> 01:14:19.640
<v Speaker 2>That's why I thought about that a lot too. I thought,

1194
01:14:19.680 --> 01:14:21.600
<v Speaker 2>if I was in the woods, I talk a big game,

1195
01:14:22.399 --> 01:14:24.479
<v Speaker 2>you know, would I be able to pull off keeping

1196
01:14:24.600 --> 01:14:29.039
<v Speaker 2>us steady? You know? That's my grandma taught me though.

1197
01:14:29.079 --> 01:14:31.279
<v Speaker 2>She's like, you don't look at the horns. You see

1198
01:14:31.279 --> 01:14:35.159
<v Speaker 2>a big buck out there, you aim your shot, you

1199
01:14:35.199 --> 01:14:37.720
<v Speaker 2>put it in there. You go for the right and

1200
01:14:37.760 --> 01:14:40.479
<v Speaker 2>the boilers and the lungs or in the heart. You

1201
01:14:40.520 --> 01:14:44.079
<v Speaker 2>go through your steps, you take your shot, and then

1202
01:14:44.279 --> 01:14:46.159
<v Speaker 2>when you're done hitting it, then you can do you're

1203
01:14:46.199 --> 01:14:49.640
<v Speaker 2>celebrating or look at the horns or your trophy or whatever.

1204
01:14:49.760 --> 01:14:52.119
<v Speaker 2>That's just a bonus. But you want to make a

1205
01:14:52.119 --> 01:14:54.960
<v Speaker 2>good shot, and that's you got to be the bullet,

1206
01:14:54.960 --> 01:14:56.600
<v Speaker 2>I guess, is what I'm saying.

1207
01:14:57.720 --> 01:14:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, easier said than done when you're shooting at some

1208
01:15:00.359 --> 01:15:03.359
<v Speaker 1>like that. But Bruno, I can't thank you enough for

1209
01:15:03.439 --> 01:15:06.399
<v Speaker 1>coming on to share the details of that experience with us.

1210
01:15:06.479 --> 01:15:07.680
<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate it.

1211
01:15:08.560 --> 01:15:13.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I hope it makes somebody be more aware and

1212
01:15:13.520 --> 01:15:16.319
<v Speaker 2>cautious when they go out. I don't know, with these

1213
01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:20.439
<v Speaker 2>missing four one to one things and or not even that,

1214
01:15:20.560 --> 01:15:23.479
<v Speaker 2>but just people going missing or getting lost. You know,

1215
01:15:23.800 --> 01:15:27.760
<v Speaker 2>carry a compass, carry a sidearm, or have somebody with you,

1216
01:15:27.840 --> 01:15:30.720
<v Speaker 2>carry a side arm, some kind of protection. You know,

1217
01:15:31.439 --> 01:15:36.279
<v Speaker 2>be prepared. The mother nature is not something to mess

1218
01:15:36.319 --> 01:15:39.039
<v Speaker 2>around with. And when you're out there, then you're susceptible

1219
01:15:39.039 --> 01:15:43.800
<v Speaker 2>to father time and he doesn't play either. So I

1220
01:15:43.800 --> 01:15:46.600
<v Speaker 2>don't know. I just feel like it's not like you're

1221
01:15:46.600 --> 01:15:48.600
<v Speaker 2>not at a grocery store. You're not at your house.

1222
01:15:48.680 --> 01:15:50.840
<v Speaker 2>You can't just call nine one one. You might not

1223
01:15:50.880 --> 01:15:53.239
<v Speaker 2>get a signal on your phone, or so many things

1224
01:15:53.279 --> 01:15:55.880
<v Speaker 2>could happen. You could cut your leg open and bleed

1225
01:15:55.920 --> 01:15:59.039
<v Speaker 2>to death before anybody gets to you, not even just

1226
01:15:59.119 --> 01:16:03.159
<v Speaker 2>a dog man. I don't know. I'm just saying, be more,

1227
01:16:04.439 --> 01:16:07.000
<v Speaker 2>be more vigilant, pay attention more when you're out there.

1228
01:16:07.000 --> 01:16:10.199
<v Speaker 2>I wish I would have paid attention more for some

1229
01:16:10.319 --> 01:16:13.680
<v Speaker 2>other times too, because some other strange things happened that

1230
01:16:13.760 --> 01:16:16.199
<v Speaker 2>I kind of just wrote off, and I'm like, I

1231
01:16:16.239 --> 01:16:19.840
<v Speaker 2>wonder if that was maybe something, But you know, you

1232
01:16:19.960 --> 01:16:22.479
<v Speaker 2>don't know now because you didn't pay attention to those

1233
01:16:23.079 --> 01:16:24.359
<v Speaker 2>signs before.

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<v Speaker 1>So well, you can't be faulted for that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we've all done, things like that where we should have

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<v Speaker 1>turned left when we turned right, so don't be too

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<v Speaker 1>hard on yourself. But having said that, thanks again so

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<v Speaker 1>much for your time Bruno, and have a great night.