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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is Bruno Thompson. Bruno,

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thanks so much for coming on the show.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you're welcome. Bruno. Please give us a brief bio

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on yourself.

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Speaker 2: A brief bio on myself. Okay, I'm fifty four years old.

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I live in central Wisconsin, Adams County, which is forty

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minutes north of the Wisconsin Dells. I like to hunt, fish, trap,

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anything outdoors. In my younger years, I did a lot

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of sports, high school baseball, certain things like that. I

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worked for the Wisconsin Conservation Corps for two years from

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nineteen ninety two to ninety three, and that involved building

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birdhouses or woodduck houses, and planting trees and just doing

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all kinds of things. We actually took third graders on

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field trips, planted trees with them, taught them about trees. Yeah,

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I did that for so I was twenty one at

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that time. I just kind of fast forward here, but yeah,

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and I learned a lot doing that, just wanting to

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be in the outdoors. It didn't pay a lot. The

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reason I took the job was because I found out

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I could get a scholarship from the state, because I

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ended up getting my ged I moved around a lot

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as a kid. We talked yesterday and I told you

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about I lived in five different states, you know, growing

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up Florida, Wisconsin, Alaska, Utah, and Michigan. So I moved

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around and went to quite a few different schools, and

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you know, but when I was finally fifteen, I pretty

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much stayed with my grandma and didn't live with my mom.

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But anyway, back to the Wisconsin Conservation Corps. I finished

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out my time there. I got my scholarship from them,

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and I went to MATC and I studied Ohm's law

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for about six months, and I got a job with

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Able Electric in Green Bay. I worked with them for

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a while, got a job with CC Electric, a Platinum Electric,

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but I basically ended up moving on from there and

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going into factory work. And that's just kind of like

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what I do now. And I only do electrical work

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on side jobs. I do do it, but I just

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do it as side jobs. So basically about me. I

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just love hunting, fishing, being outdoors, kayaking, trapping. Right now,

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I'm trying to go for a pilot's license. I was

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talking about that yesterday, building a small single seat aircraft.

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I live on ten acres up here. It's really nice.

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I only work ten minutes away, and I do a

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lot of reloading, building birdhouses, you know, just tinkering, like

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doing carpentry and target practice. So yeah, I just come

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from a family that they all did hunting.

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Speaker 3: And fishing, and my grandma, my grandpa, they all went

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out to Wyoming and they shot antelope and mule deer

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and all that.

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Speaker 2: And when I was growing up, you know, I was

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kind of wanted to be like my grandpa. So I

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don't know, that's really about it.

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Speaker 1: That must have been great growing up with your family,

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with your extended family being so interested in the outdoors.

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That'd be great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely. Like so, when I was six years old,

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I got my first geebe gun from my grandpa. I mean,

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I guess that's pretty young for a kid. My mom

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really didn't like it. And another story is when I

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was I mean, if you could imagine this, I got

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a ten twenty two ruger car. Being at eight years old,

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so I had to walk to school every day because

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I was a latch key kid, you know, I had

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to carry your house key around your neck because your

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parents both worked or whatever and you had to basically

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take care of yourself. Well, I walked to school and

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I was just going down the steps into the playground.

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And this was in Milwaukee, nineteen eighty February tenth. It

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was cold outside, and all of a sudden, I hear

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beep beep, and I look around. I don't see nothing.

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And the school I went to, there's a cools parking

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lot right across the street. And I look over and

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there's one car over. I don't see nobody, so I

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just start going on the steps again. Then I hear

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somebody yell hey, Bubba, and that's my grandpa called me.

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He called me bubb or Bubba. So I look up

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and there he is like waving out the window to me.

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I was like, oh my god. So I go running

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over there and he's like, hey, I brought you your

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birthday president. I was like what. He's like, yeah, jump in,

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and so I jump in the car and he hands

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me this big box and puts it on my lap.

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I'm like, what is it? He's open it up, you know,

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and I didn't know, but it was shaped like a gun,

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you know, in a big box. So I'm just like wow.

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I mean, I ripped that thing open so fast, and

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I had it out of the box and I'm looking

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down the sites and I had the gun out the window,

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aiming at the street light. You know. I was like, oh,

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this is so cool. And he engraved on it to

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Bubba with love Papa, February tenth, nineteen eighty, you know,

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on a little gold plated plaque that he had attached

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to the to the right side of the stock so

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when you cheeked it, the plate wouldn't touch your face.

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It would be on the opposite side. And my uncle Mark,

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he was one year younger than me because my grandma

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had him at forty years old. My mom had me

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at sixty. So my grandma had her last kid late

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in life and my mom had me really young, so

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we were like brothers. So he got a ten twenty

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two ruger carbing with one serial number off and his

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engraved plate that said to Mark, you know, with love

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Dad on his birthday, right, So they were like a

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matching set, and he ordered him that way. But that

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was like one of the greatest birthday presents I ever had.

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I wasn't able to tell my mom about it because

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back then it's kind of a long story. I really

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don't want to get into that today. But I lived

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with my grandma and grandpa until I was five, and

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then my mom kind of took me away from there

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and she didn't want me seeing my grandma and grandpa.

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So this was kind of a surprise visit. But yeah,

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it was like the best birthday president ever. Yeah, it

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was a nice time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like it. And I'll bet your mom

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would have freaked out if she would have known.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Back in nineteen or so, two years later,

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when we were living in Florida, my mom said something

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to me one day and I was like, well, I

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already got a gun. No you don't.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I.

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Speaker 2: Told her. You know, I was twelve, So I'm like, yeah, where,

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I said, in Milwaukee? Who's got I said, Grandma's got it?

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What who got it for you? I said, Papa did.

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When I was like on my birthday, way back when

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when I wasn't supposed to talk to him. Oh, sneak,

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you know. I mean she really didn't care too much

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because my grandpa got sick and died in eighty three,

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so that was kind of a rough thing. But yeah,

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it brought her family back together because my mom didn't

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really want to talk to them, and when my grandpa

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got sick, then it we all, I don't know, got

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back together.

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Speaker 1: Well I hate the fact that he passed away, but

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I'm glad at least your family got together after that. Yeah,

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all right, Brinda, please tell us about your encounter. Now

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give us ever last detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this was November seventeenth, nineteen ninety five. It was

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the day before opening day of rifle season in Wisconsin,

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and this happened around nine pm to ten thirty. I'm

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not positive on the time. I just kind of know

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what time. Me and my uncle Tony left the trailer

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and we went for a ride, and we went to

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pick up some beer and food and snacks and lan

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Jaeger's and jerky that we would take out in the

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woods with us. So, yeah, everybody was already up here.

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A lot of my family members that live about well,

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they don't live. They have a cabin a mile from

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us on fourteenth A in Adams County, where just I'm

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just off Highway thirteen north towards the Wisconsin Rapids and Adams, Wisconsin,

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so that's where I'm at. And anyways, so we're back

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here and my uncle Tony's like, hey, you want to

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go for a ride and pick all this stuff up

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and do this and that, and and I'm like, yeah,

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let's go, you know, and He's He's somebody that I

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just he was my closest uncle. I always got along

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with them. He inspired me a lot of ways too,

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because he played baseball in school and I like baseball

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and all that. And he actually had a draft letter

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for tryout for the Cincinnati Reds back in nineteen seventy nine.

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So anyway, we just me and him were like peanut,

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Butter and Jelly. Whenever there was a family reunion, they'd

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be like, where's Bruno. He's hanging out with unkin Tony.

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So we were just always together. We hunted together, we

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thought alike everything, even though there was like a eight

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year difference, which I guess isn't that much for an

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uncle and a nephew. But anyway, I go with him.

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We jump in his little geometro and we go for

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a ride, and I'm trying to remember if it was mine.

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I think it was his idea. He's like, hey, let's

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let's go drive through the hunting land. And I'm debating

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with him, like, well, I don't know if it's a

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very good idea, and why you know, we really never

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did that. We drove around other areas to look at

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where the deer are crossing the night before, you know,

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looking for signs and stuff. But I didn't want to

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go in there because I'm like, yeah, driving in there

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spooking them, you know. I mean we're going in there

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at nine to ten thirty at night. We're going to

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be in those woods at five six am, you know,

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we don't really want to scare them and stuff. He's

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just like, ah, that's not going to one car. It's

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not like we're chasing them down or we're doing donuts

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or going really fast. So I'm like I finally agree

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on it. I'm like, okay, So we go in and

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this is it's seven hundred and sixty acres of public land.

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And to describe this place to you is it's really

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it was really nice. We hunted it from nineteen six

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nineteen sixty till the year twenty fifteen. Yeah, and it

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got clear cutted and the DNR ended up selling the

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land to some farmers and now it's farm fields. But

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back then it was really nice. It had everything that

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you wanted, like rolling oak ridges, big huge oak trees

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with falling acorns and tamarack. It had lot like a

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spot there where it had all these tamaracks and thickets

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and dogwood where deer could hide and kind of like

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a I don't know, it would be a peat moss,

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but it's kind of a swampy. I wouldn't say swamp,

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but it's wetter in that area. So there's a few

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spots in there in this seven hundred and sixty acres

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that has kind of a wetter area, and it's jackpines

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in there, white pine, Scotch pine, just different kinds of

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trees and wild hazel nuts. We got hazel nuts galore.

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You really can't even harvest them around here because the

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deer eat them before they get right. Like I'll go

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out and I'll see them and I'll be like, yeah,

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those will be ready in another two weeks. I go

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out to get them, and you can see the deer

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nibbled him and ate him right off. So wild blueberries, raspberries,

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just everything. And something that I talked to you yesterday

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I forgot to tell you was in these encounters people

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say they've seen that it's happened by water. I forgot

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to tell you that that it's not that far away

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from a thing called dead Horse Creek. Dead Horse Creek

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is actually eight blocks. Now. I wouldn't even call it

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blocks because I'm in the country. It's it's a five

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or ten minute walk from my house. I can go

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to dead Horse Creek and it runs for a long

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ways and runs into Big Rascha Cree or Little Raschakree Lake.

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So yeah, it's just a really nice place to hunt

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that We've always shot deer there. We had places there

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that we nicknamed them certain spots, like seven point corners

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because there's seven corners there. The roads they're logging trails,

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they go different ways, and a lot of our family

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members or friends of the family shot deer there and

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never shot any dough. They always shot a seven point

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buck and it happened many times, so we called it

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seven point corners or seven points. So anyway we're we

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go in by Mike Bubla's because he has a an

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easement that goes in either you can get in another way,

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but you got to go way around and take Highway

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thirteen and kind of go around one of the lakes

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and come in the back way, and we just didn't

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like doing that. And we knew Mike Bubla since the sixties.

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He was friends with my grandma and grandpa, and he

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would open up his property for us to drive through

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there to get in, and so we go in there

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after we already picked our stuff up from the store.

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So this was just kind of a we were just

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going to go in there, take one lap around, kind

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of look around. You know. We weren't even really going

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to get out of the car because we just didn't

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want to. We just kind of wanted to go in

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there and have the brights on and the road these

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logging roads too. To give you some idea, are you

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can see down some of these roads twelve hundred yards.

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If seven hundred and sixty acres is twelve hundred yards,

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it probably is. I think I put a rangefinder on

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it a couple times, and it's beyond that. But the

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road is at some points thirty feet wide to fifty

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feet wide from woods to woods because the seven hundred

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and sixty acres butts up to another property that some

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people own. So it really works out good because people

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that we don't hunt with will be hunting in there

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part of the woods on the logging roads, and they'll

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chase the deer out into ours and they get shot

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at and run back into theirs, and it's a back

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and forth thing. So, and the road itself is maybe

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fifteen feet wide, twelve to fifteen feet wide, and we're

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just going down this road, you know, got the music

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really low, we got the windows up and we're just

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looking and he's got the uh, the bright's on, so

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we can see a long long ways and we weren't

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planning on shining or anything like that. You're not supposed

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to have guns in your vehicle twenty four hours prior

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to the rifle deer season. You're not supposed to shine

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deer twenty four hours prior to the deer season, and

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that includes shining with your headlights. So if you see

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deer in a field you're not really you'd probably get

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ticketed for turning around and using your car to to

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look at him, even if you don't have a gun,

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so we were trying to stay within rules and just

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take a look around. And it's, like I said, it's

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something we never did. I never remember one time that

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we ever went there the night before or the day

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before the season, just because that was always in our thought.

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And if we would have said something to my grandma,

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my grandma would say, no, stay the heck out of there.

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I don't want to spooking my dear or whatever, you know.

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So we did it. Anyway, We're going down the road

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and we get up till about seven point corners there,

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and we just kept going straight because we were taking

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a lap around. We were already down by a place

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called Reese's Field, which a farmer owns, and that's more

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on the south end. Yeah, and so we're up there,

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we're just going along, going along, and out of the blue,

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I mean, we're both got, we're both looking forward and

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for people listening too to think, you know, some people

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got didn't see something right, or it happened really fast.

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This did happen really fast. But I had my I

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have paperwork even showing it that back in ninety five

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I had twenty thirteen vision. The doctor said, he said,

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you got twenty thirteen visions. I thought something was wrong

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with my eyes, and he said no, he's like, I've

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never seen anybody be able to read those letters that

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you just read off there on that bottom chart. He's like,

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in twenty two or twenty six years whatever that he's

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been the doctor, he's never seen somebody read something like

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that fine print. So I'm just letting you know that

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I know what I've seen, even though it was a

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fraction of a second. And almost everybody in my family

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just nobody wears glasses unless they're over forty and they

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need them for reading. But everybody had really good long

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range vision. And the doctor told me, well, what you

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what somebody with twenty twenty vision can see? You can

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see it seven feet further away. I'm like, really, huh, no,

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wonder you know? I didn't know. So we're looking ahead

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and all of a sudden, from right to left, you

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see this. It took up the whole road. Yeah, it

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was far away. I would I would guesstimate two hundred

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and fifty to three hundred yards, probably three hundred yards,

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but we were kind of at the top. These these

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logging roads go up and down a lot, so you

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once you get to a top of one. You can

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see all the way to the end of the logging

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road where it hits the woods, which is probably beyond

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what most people can shoot. But anyway, I'm looking. Mount

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Patony's looking too. He's driving. I'm a passenger, and from

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right to left we just see this whole big, giant

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brown mountain lion. And I'm just gonna tell you right

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now mountain lion, because it took up the whole road.

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The tail was like four or five feet long. I

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don't know how long their tails are, but it was.

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It was so long, and it was so low to

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the ground that it was just hauling. But I mean,

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this thing, it cleared the whole fifty foot road, or

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maybe it was thirty foot at that point, but it

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was one leap. It like came out of the woods

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on the right side and it just leapt over the

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road all stretched out. You could see its front legs

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all the way out like Superman, and its back legs

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stretched out like it was flying across the road. And

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it was so low to the ground, but it was

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so big. It was like it looked like it was

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twelve feet long with that tail, and it was like

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that you know it happened in a flash, right, But

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we're trying to compute what we just saw. And my

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uncle Tony actually looks over and he's like, what, what

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in the heck did you just see? And I said,

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I saw a mountain lion. He's like, Okay, I'm just

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checking because that's what I saw too, And I'm like,

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they weren't. Just like, we can't believe it. You know,

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wolves weren't even I guess reintroduced here in the state

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until the early nineties. They put a small pack in,

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so I didn't even see a wolf in Wisconsin yet.

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And I've seen fissures and Pine Martin bobcats. I have

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never seen, you know, links in Wisconsin, but they say

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they have them too. But this wasn't a links. It

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wasn't a bobcat. It wasn't a house cat. It was

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a mountain lion. It was like two hundred pounds and

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it had the longest tail, just like a mountain lion.

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I mean. And the only mountain lion that I seen

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in the whild was this one. So I've seen him

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in zoos and I know they look like and We're

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just sitting there going like, oh my god, dude, we

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saw a mountain lion. You know, nobody's gonna believe us,

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and only maybe twenty to maybe. I was trying to

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think of the time yesterday when I talked to you, victim,

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it was probably twenty seconds to a minute. It's just

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hard to say the time, because it's everything slowed down.

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It's like it slowed down and sped up because it

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slowed down that we saw a mountain lion that I've

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never seen a mountain lion, you know, in nineteen ninety

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five in Wisconsin, and nobody nobody even said anything about them,

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and dn R didn't say anything, and it was just

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like all these things going through her mind, like, you know,

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we gotta tell them back then at the cabin when

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we get back, but they're not gonna believe us. And

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then Graham was gonna be like, why were you over

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on the hunting property and scaring dear Da Da Da

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da da, And it wasn't it wasn't but twenty seconds

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to him. Sixty seconds maybe after that, And when you

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seeing them out in mine, we were still going and

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we were only going ten to fifteen miles an hour,

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so we probably closed the distance another one hundred yards.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: We could have been going even slower. I'm not positive,

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but we weren't going fast at all. We're just kind

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of at a crawl through there, and we're just like,

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I can't we saw a mountainline. My uncle Tony was saying,

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a cougar, but yeah, cougar, mountain lion, same thing. And

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we're just trying to get over the fact that that's

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that's what we've seen and how how are we going

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to explain this and nobody is going to believe it,

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no one, no one is gonna believe it. And so

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we're now we're about one hundred yards closer. We're probably

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two hundred yards away from where this thing we think

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crossed where we seen it kind of cross and then

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we kind of took a mental image. And we've all

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always done that. My grandma taught me that, like when

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you shoot a deer and it runs somewhere, don't get

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so excited that you lose track of where it ran

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in the woods. You want to keep your cool and

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your calm. And if you see it running somewhere market

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that's the last place you've seen it, or if it

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makes it into the woods, keep your eye on it

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until you can see that. You don't see the tail anymore,

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you don't see the deer, and remember, you know, stay

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sitted there and keep an eye on. Okay, that's the

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last place I've seen it, because if we have to

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track it, you might have to sit in that spot

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and tell the other person, Nope, go to the right,

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go to the left. Yep, right there is the last

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place I seen it, because it's hard to see it

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from when you get over there. Anyway, we're just about

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one hundred yards closer, and all of a sudden, from

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the same spot that we can tell that that mountain

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lion came jumping out and clearing the road in one leap,

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a giant black wolf's head comes out of the woods. So,

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like I said, the woods can be the woods can

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be maybe so fifteen feet fifty seven and a half feet,

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if you want to get technical, the woods can be

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seven and a half feet from the edge of the

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road up to fifteen feet or yeah, or twelve feet maybe.

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Because there's hazel nut bushes that grow along there, blueberries,

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all kinds of red raspberries, and tangles and just stuff

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like that that grows on the side of the row.

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Of these logging trails. Nobody goes out there and cuts it,

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so kind of grows wild. So when this head came out,

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it's I've seen its left paw come out first, touched

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just before, just before the edge of the road, and

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it had its ears back, so I couldn't see any

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ears sticking up, but I could tell. I thought it

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was a dog, for a giant, big dog, because that's

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what my uncle said, whose dog, you know? And it

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was like we barely got those words out and it

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was like, no, that's a wolf. Oh my god, there's

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a wolf. And just after getting those words out, it

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transition from So the mountain lion was like I said,

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maybe thirty inches. I mean, I guess when it was

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leaping across the road it looked taller off the ground.

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But this, this big black head you could tell, was

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probably two feet higher up than as far as the

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mountain lion jumped right. So when the head came out

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like that, you could tell how big it was. It

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was like, oh my god, do that is you know? Yeah,

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we're another one hundred yards closer too, maybe, you know,

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which made it look bigger, but it was just way

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beyond big than what I thought, and just all black.

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And I've never seen an all black wolf. The only

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black ones I seen were like in captivity, and they

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had really long legs and kind of were skinny looking.

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And this one wasn't like that. As we got out

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those words about like, oh it's a wolf, it's a

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it's like, you know, what's that doing out here? It

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was whose farmer? Whose dog is out? It just stood

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up from the four leg I didn't see the other

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legs because they were the back legs were in the

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woods yet, and just the front leg or I, like

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I said to Vic, I said, the paws weren't really

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pause people say raccoon hands or whatever. I call them

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pans like they were a cross between a paw and

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a hand, because I actually saw like hair on the

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fingers and long claws, but it kind of looked like

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a paw a little bit where the wrist kind of hinges,

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and so it when it stood up and stepped out,

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it stepped out. Yeah, yeah, I seen both legs. It

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stepped out and stood right up. And this thing was

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like easily my uncle Tony said the same thing. He

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might have gauged it a foot taller than me. I said,

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it was like seven or eight feet tall, because we

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were looking at some of the trees that had some

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overhanging branches. And I'll get to that later on. But

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the next day we did go back and check it

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some of the heights but it stood up. But oh wait,

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before it stood up, though, I forgot it actually from

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the car like shining toward it. I forgot to say,

474
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,720
it turned its head. And this is when its ears

475
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,079
were still down, so it tears were still down, and

476
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:42,960
it was like stalking.

477
00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:50,519
Speaker 4: Like like like anybody's anybody ever seen a wire hair

478
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,319
pointer or a German short hair pointer the way they

479
00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:54,039
point birds.

480
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: That's how it came out of the woods like it

481
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,319
was like like it was stalking something like like a

482
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,279
cat does sometimes gets down real slow and sneaks. That's

483
00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:07,200
how it looked. And its ears were down like that,

484
00:32:07,559 --> 00:32:12,680
and it's paw and it just turned its head, not

485
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,759
ninety degrees at us. It only turned it like forty

486
00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:19,279
five degrees just to turn. Because I mean, we had

487
00:32:19,319 --> 00:32:22,240
bright shining all it lit up the whole road. The

488
00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:25,440
light was shining off the trees and actually some of

489
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,480
the trees drape over the road, the branches overhang the road.

490
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,319
So it's like a tunnel. So that's how bright it was.

491
00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:37,920
There was no problem seeing anything. And when it turned

492
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:42,400
its head and looked like toward the car, you could

493
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:48,279
just see I saw golden glowing hives. They weren't yellow,

494
00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:53,279
they weren't red, they weren't it wasn't eyeshine, it was golden.

495
00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:56,759
I didn't see a pupil. I didn't. I just saw

496
00:32:56,799 --> 00:33:03,160
a big round, golden glowing eyes, like almost like a

497
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,480
mini flashlight that was coming out of there. But so

498
00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:13,039
it just kind of looked at us, like how do

499
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:15,279
I wouldn't even say it looked. It just kind of

500
00:33:15,319 --> 00:33:19,839
looked that way for a second, like maybe I was thinking,

501
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:23,000
like what's that coming? Or where what's that light? You know,

502
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,359
That's kind of the way it looked. And then it

503
00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:29,480
just looked straight back ahead again to where that mountain

504
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:32,480
lion we saw a run and that's when it stood up.

505
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:44,200
And when it stood up, it took two steps to

506
00:33:44,279 --> 00:33:47,200
clear the road, so it was like one step and

507
00:33:47,319 --> 00:33:51,759
I could see both legs in the back, and the

508
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:57,880
legs to me were just the upper legs looked like

509
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:03,519
a running back's legs for like the NFL. I could

510
00:34:03,559 --> 00:34:06,680
see the muscles in them. I mean, yeah, two hundred

511
00:34:06,759 --> 00:34:09,079
yards is of distance. But I could see it clear

512
00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:11,679
as day with the high beams on it and everything.

513
00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:15,000
And when it stepped with the first foot, I could

514
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:20,599
see the definition and the split between the leg the

515
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:25,960
way when it stepped, I could see the muscles in

516
00:34:26,039 --> 00:34:28,960
between the upper quad or I guess that's what it's called,

517
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,519
just kind of you could see the definition of the

518
00:34:32,559 --> 00:34:35,000
lines in it like a muscle. And then I could

519
00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:39,320
see it had that double I don't know, I guess

520
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,320
it would be called a double hinged foot or whatever

521
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,239
they call that, where it has a knee, but then

522
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,880
it has that second leg just like a dog or

523
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,760
even a rabbit. It's kind of longer leg, and you

524
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,920
could I couldn't see those looked more like paused me,

525
00:34:58,079 --> 00:35:03,239
but just oversized paws. I didn't see like long finger

526
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,119
claws like or cat claws on the bottom of the feet.

527
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,079
It just looked like oversized giant feet. But it stood

528
00:35:11,159 --> 00:35:17,639
up like like, yeah, it's crazy the way it stood up.

529
00:35:17,679 --> 00:35:20,880
And when I explained it yesterday, I didn't explain it

530
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,800
right either. I said it took two steps across the road.

531
00:35:24,519 --> 00:35:30,239
These steps were kind of like a leaping a leaping,

532
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,280
gliding step. It's kind of hard to explain. Now. It

533
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:39,320
wasn't floating, it wasn't paranormal like, but it was. It

534
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,360
was so graceful and effortless. That's how it made it

535
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:47,280
look like. The body mechanics of it, the way it

536
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,239
was able to just take those two steps, and the

537
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,199
way it stood up. Yeah, it stood up all the way,

538
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,360
but it's still when it was stood up to me,

539
00:35:57,519 --> 00:35:59,840
it was still kind of hunched over a little bit

540
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:03,639
the top of the shoulders, and I could I only

541
00:36:03,679 --> 00:36:06,639
seen the left arm and the left hand. My uncle

542
00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:09,519
said he saw both arms. Maybe because I was sitting

543
00:36:09,559 --> 00:36:12,920
in the passenger seat. He was in the driver's seat.

544
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,760
The angle I had, I maybe couldn't see the other

545
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,719
arm and the way it swung when and plus I

546
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,880
was looking at the feet and the head and the ears,

547
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,719
and but when it stood up, that's when the ears

548
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,519
went up. The ears went up straight, and I could

549
00:36:30,559 --> 00:36:36,960
see like the tufts like on a linx, like they

550
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,079
say a link, you know, links has those little pieces

551
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:45,559
of fur up there. I could also see this before

552
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:47,480
it stood up too tight. I could see its kind

553
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,360
of ears moving around like it was trying to pick

554
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:56,320
up noise or hone in on something. Sometimes a dogg

555
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,280
will hear a noise and you'll see its ears kind

556
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,519
of twitch around like where that come from. It was

557
00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:03,280
kind of like a radar. It was looked like it

558
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:06,519
was doing, you know. But when it stood up like that,

559
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:13,239
its ears definitely moved left and right and not. It

560
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,880
wasn't even like uh at the same time. It was

561
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,079
like one kind of went left, one kind of went right,

562
00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:24,000
one kind of like went upward and backward, and the

563
00:37:24,039 --> 00:37:26,559
other one is kind of like tilting forward and left

564
00:37:26,639 --> 00:37:30,079
and just a couple of funny things. And then it

565
00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:34,280
took those that other step, and like I said it,

566
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,280
the way the way it took those steps was just

567
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,840
it was effortless. It was just a gliding. It didn't

568
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:48,840
even try to jump or run. It's just two effortless.

569
00:37:49,079 --> 00:37:50,960
I don't even really even know how to explain it,

570
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:55,119
because it kind of almost you would say it looked floating,

571
00:37:55,159 --> 00:37:58,840
but it wasn't. It just like kind of like stepped

572
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,679
with its leg, but as it stepped, it kind of

573
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,760
like swung it along the ground, and it almost looked

574
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,840
like one leg was floating. And then it touched and

575
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,559
then the other leg was kind of like flung out

576
00:38:13,599 --> 00:38:18,320
and dragged and stepped. But then it got to the

577
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,760
the left side of the road and had got into

578
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:26,599
the woods. That's when when it stood up and I

579
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,239
seen that and the glowing eyes. And it was after

580
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,800
the glowing eyes I said to my uncle, that's a werewolf,

581
00:38:34,599 --> 00:38:39,199
because that's all I could think of, you know, I'm like,

582
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:41,599
that's a were wolf. And he's like, no, that's not

583
00:38:41,679 --> 00:38:43,760
a were wolf. And know, I'm like, that is a werewolf,

584
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,639
and he was actually said something like, that's somebody in

585
00:38:47,679 --> 00:38:50,119
a costume. Nobody is out here in the middle of

586
00:38:50,199 --> 00:38:53,159
nowhere at night in a costume. He's like, I know,

587
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:54,639
I know. I'm just trying to.

588
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:56,519
Speaker 1: You know.

589
00:38:56,559 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 2: We're just kind of debating back and forth, like what

590
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,440
the heck is it. We got to go see what

591
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,920
that is. I'm not getting out of this car, he said,

592
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,719
I'm not getting out of it either, But we got

593
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,280
to go up there and look, you know. And we

594
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,159
were planning on doing that anyway, because for a second

595
00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:14,679
we said, well before them, before we even seen the

596
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,159
dog man come out, we said, well, when we get

597
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,800
up there, we're gonna look at those tracks. And we

598
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,039
were gonna throw a soda can out on the side

599
00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:25,639
of the road even if we didn't see nothing, and

600
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:27,880
look at it in the morning the next day after

601
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:29,920
we were done hunting, to see if we could see

602
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:35,360
those mountain lion tracks. Right, that was our plan. Well,

603
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,599
after seeing the dog man, we're not throwing it out.

604
00:39:39,639 --> 00:39:42,719
We're not getting out, you know. We kind of marked

605
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,719
it and got up to there, and we drove over.

606
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,480
We looked into the woods. We didn't see anything. We

607
00:39:49,519 --> 00:39:52,199
couldn't see any tracks. There was a lot of leaves

608
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,119
on the ground, and it was kind of a colder

609
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,920
night too, I believe, and you really couldn't see much.

610
00:39:58,199 --> 00:40:00,039
And I don't even know if the mountain lion and

611
00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:07,360
left any tracks from the side of the road where

612
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:13,000
it's grassy and like berries, and I don't know if

613
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,280
it would even dig in well it left across, I

614
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,119
don't know. Their paws are pretty soft. But I was thinking, well,

615
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,440
the dog man, there's no way he's got to leave something.

616
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:26,440
But when he had stepped on the road, I literally

617
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,360
think the first step he took with his leg landed

618
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,079
in the middle of the road, so there's like a

619
00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:34,280
six foot stride, so if the road's twelve to fifteen

620
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:36,280
feet and he was on the edge of the road

621
00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:38,880
when he took the first step, he is in the

622
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,559
middle of the road. Well, these roads aren't all sand.

623
00:40:42,639 --> 00:40:46,800
They're actually sand where the tires are, where the tires go,

624
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,599
but in the middle it's all grass because people don't

625
00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:52,440
drive back there that much, so then you got grass

626
00:40:52,599 --> 00:40:55,920
and whatever. And sometimes in the middle of the roads

627
00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:00,440
there's wild strawberries that grow just in that little area patch.

628
00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:03,599
So the car's driving, you know, in the tire tracks,

629
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:05,400
but underneath the car in the middle of the road

630
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,119
there's wild strawberries that grow. Sometimes not in November, I'm sure,

631
00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:13,360
but but that's what I thought. I'm like, well, it

632
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,800
should have left something. And then I thought, at the

633
00:41:16,559 --> 00:41:18,960
next step it took before it got into the woods,

634
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:21,000
there's got to be some steps there. But we couldn't

635
00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:24,159
see anything. It was dark, I mean not dark dark,

636
00:41:24,199 --> 00:41:26,599
but when we got up to the spot, our brights

637
00:41:26,599 --> 00:41:29,760
are shining forward. We're kind of past the point of

638
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:33,199
where we've seen it. So we kind of stopped with

639
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:39,239
the headlights and the bumper just passed where it crossed.

640
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,559
So it's tire. The tires were probably in line where

641
00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:45,280
we thought it crossed. I'm looking out my window. I'm like,

642
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,519
I don't see anything. He's looking out his window, he

643
00:41:47,559 --> 00:41:50,559
don't see anything. Then we're both telling everybody, like, you know,

644
00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:56,079
we can't go back telling people we saw a dog

645
00:41:56,199 --> 00:41:58,119
man and no one's even gonna believe. We see it

646
00:41:58,159 --> 00:42:01,199
in a mountain lion. And they're just going to laugh

647
00:42:01,199 --> 00:42:04,119
at us, because every deer season somebody gets picked on.

648
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,880
They just do. Like. We also have a rule. It's

649
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:13,400
called shirttails if you miss a deer. If you shoot

650
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,880
and you miss a deer, we cut a piece of

651
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,519
your shirttail off. So the shirt you're wearing at camp

652
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,760
gets a little piece cut off it, you know, so

653
00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:28,800
everybody gets weird stories or you know, we've had all

654
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,840
kinds of crazy things happen for a deer season that

655
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,480
people just do. You know, it's shooting a deer and

656
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,480
find one drop of blood and they don't get it, well,

657
00:42:38,519 --> 00:42:41,679
you missed, that's a shirttail. So we're sitting there thinking,

658
00:42:42,679 --> 00:42:45,000
I mean, well, we're going to have to tell them

659
00:42:45,039 --> 00:42:47,719
we saw the mountain lion. We have to because that

660
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,039
thing's going to be out here. Hunting, and I have

661
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:57,800
a couple family members that are not in the greatest

662
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,960
shape at the time. Like one of my aunts is,

663
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:05,039
you know, kind of overweight. She doesn't go very far

664
00:43:05,079 --> 00:43:08,559
from the car, and she has foster kids that she

665
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,880
takes out hunting because she was you know, she was

666
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,679
growing up in that way with our family too, like

667
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,960
take a good kid hunting, teach them some responsibility, teach

668
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:24,480
them safety things like that. You know, I think keeping

669
00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:27,639
guns away from kids, no, you can't, you can't touch it,

670
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:32,760
you know, creates a you know, it's just like, don't

671
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,840
ever do that, And well it makes you want to

672
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,440
do it because the parents said, why can't you do it?

673
00:43:37,519 --> 00:43:39,920
You know, but if you teach them a safe way,

674
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,239
well anyway, that's why I'm sitting there thinking, we got

675
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,280
to tell them we saw a mountain lion. And he's like, yeah,

676
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:48,719
we'll do that, but they're not going to believe it.

677
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:54,440
And my cousin Dennis had like abum knee and he's

678
00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:59,960
twenty some years in the National Guard, and I'm just

679
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,320
it's like my grandma. I wasn't worried about her because

680
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,599
she's been hunting her whole life and she shot antelope

681
00:44:06,639 --> 00:44:10,639
and mule deer and white tail and wild boars. And

682
00:44:10,679 --> 00:44:15,000
she shot almost all animals except over in Africa. But

683
00:44:17,639 --> 00:44:19,559
and she didn't even she was she didn't even hunt

684
00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:22,000
over in that area. She was hunting on the opposite end.

685
00:44:23,199 --> 00:44:27,000
And just I thought about some of the kids. Though.

686
00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:30,800
Some of these foster kids are only twelve, the sixteen,

687
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,039
you know, So I'm like, oh, they could be out there,

688
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:38,400
and who knows, you know, she she don't think there's

689
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,239
a mountain lying around. Yeah, go ahead and take a pee,

690
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:43,440
but make it fast, and you never know. I mean,

691
00:44:43,519 --> 00:44:47,280
they could snatch up a kid. One of her kids

692
00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:52,440
that she had up was very small. She was only

693
00:44:52,519 --> 00:44:56,280
like twelve years old and eighty pounds, a very small

694
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,800
girl that she had that she took out hunting. So

695
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,400
we're just trying to sit there and debate on who

696
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,519
we're gonna tell and how we're gonna tell them. And

697
00:45:06,559 --> 00:45:10,400
then now we're gonna get in trouble for going back

698
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,679
there and maybe scaring deer the day before deer season,

699
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,920
and you know, they don't really like us doing that,

700
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:20,480
and that I was against it and got it d

701
00:45:20,559 --> 00:45:23,159
da da, And then we're then and then we're sitting

702
00:45:23,199 --> 00:45:25,639
there thinking about, well, we got a hunt here tomorrow too,

703
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,000
what if this thing is still around? That's what I

704
00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:31,000
was telling my uncle Tony. And he's like, well, I

705
00:45:31,039 --> 00:45:33,360
don't know, man, there's gonna be like twenty of us

706
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,960
back here, and there's at least another dozen people that

707
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,679
come up from Illinois, and I mean all these guns

708
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,480
going off. He's like, that thing's not going to be around,

709
00:45:44,679 --> 00:45:48,440
or that mountain lion, it's long gone. And I'm like, yeah,

710
00:45:48,519 --> 00:45:53,000
I hope. So I mean start killing deer and there's

711
00:45:53,039 --> 00:45:56,519
gut piles laying around, it might it might stick around. Yeah,

712
00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:00,079
I wasn't thinking of that. You know, maybe it'll come

713
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:05,199
back at night, you know, and some of us come

714
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,280
hunting at you know. I always like to get in

715
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,639
the woods before the sun comes up. I go in

716
00:46:11,679 --> 00:46:17,400
with a flashlight all the time, and even now I will,

717
00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:21,880
but I'm usually with somebody if I do that. So

718
00:46:24,559 --> 00:46:27,280
it was just crazy just trying to go through. They're

719
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,000
not gonna believe we saw a mountain lion. There's no

720
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:34,119
way we can even tell them we saw. I called

721
00:46:34,159 --> 00:46:36,920
it a werewolf because ninety five I don't think there

722
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:39,880
was We knew about a dog man or anything like

723
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,800
I was saying to Vic. I told him I believed

724
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:45,559
in Sasquatch. I saw the video when I was a

725
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:51,480
little kid. And my uncle Herman, He's he was a

726
00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:55,679
guy that like would go out and just camp in

727
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,920
the Wasatch Mountains for like a whole month just to

728
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:02,679
say he did it. He did a lot of crazy things.

729
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:06,599
And he told me he saw a couple sasquatch before

730
00:47:06,679 --> 00:47:09,719
they even came into his camp and stuff like that. Well,

731
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,159
he was one of the first I told before I

732
00:47:12,199 --> 00:47:15,440
told my grandma. I told my grandma, like I think

733
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,639
it was. I think it was a year or two later,

734
00:47:20,039 --> 00:47:22,760
or I might have told her after your season about

735
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,679
the dog band thing too, but I'm not positive. I

736
00:47:25,679 --> 00:47:28,000
did tell my uncle Hermit no, and he told me,

737
00:47:28,039 --> 00:47:31,119
He's like, you can't. You can't go around telling people

738
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:34,800
that they're gonna think you're nuts like me. And I'm

739
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:39,400
just like laughing, and I'm like, well whatever. So me

740
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,920
and my uncle Tony we finally decide, well, we're gonna

741
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,880
tell him that we saw mom and we have to

742
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,960
because we saw it. There's no ifsands or butts, you know.

743
00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:52,559
And I was concerned a lot about the other one

744
00:47:52,719 --> 00:47:57,920
because mountain lions I know about. I know that they

745
00:47:58,119 --> 00:48:01,079
liked the stock up on, you know, things smaller than

746
00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:03,079
them and snatch them up and run off. And they're

747
00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:06,039
pretty silent and things like that, and or they could

748
00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:08,079
sit up in a tree and pounce down on you.

749
00:48:08,599 --> 00:48:11,480
But I don't know about a werewolf for a dog man,

750
00:48:11,559 --> 00:48:14,639
or how it hunts or what it does. So that

751
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:19,199
was concerning for me too. So when we did get

752
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:25,519
back and came inside and I told my aunt or

753
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,519
I told, we told everybody were like where were you guys? Well,

754
00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:31,920
we went to get some land Jaeger's and beef jerky

755
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,440
and some beer for after hunting tomorrow. And we went

756
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:39,360
over by the hunting property over by Boublas. My Grandma's like,

757
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,079
what he's supposed to go in there? And well, yeah,

758
00:48:43,199 --> 00:48:45,920
we only took one lap around. We only went like

759
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,239
ten or fifteen miles an hour. But we got to

760
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:50,320
tell you, you know, when we saw them outlining blah

761
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,039
blah blah, They're just like, you guys are so full

762
00:48:53,079 --> 00:48:58,280
of crap. It's like, no, we really did. I swear,

763
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,320
you know, mynt Tony's like, I swear to God, I

764
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,840
swear to God, we did. And my cousin Ray, he

765
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,679
was in Vietnam. He took three tours of Vietnam. He

766
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,320
wasn't really scared of anything. He kept signing up to

767
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:17,199
go back and he just I don't know, I can't

768
00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:18,880
believe he made it through one tour and then he

769
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,519
went two more tours. But he wasn't scared of it.

770
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:25,079
He's like, well, you know, if you're scared of them,

771
00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:27,199
you know, then they're gonna come after you. If you're

772
00:49:27,199 --> 00:49:29,400
not scared of them, and you want to look bigger

773
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,320
than them and just don't put your in a sofa situation.

774
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,360
He's trying to say, well, there hasn't been a mountain

775
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,360
lion sighting in Wisconsin since way back in the eighteen

776
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:43,800
hundreds or something like that. He was saying, we saw them,

777
00:49:44,199 --> 00:49:47,800
and he sure it wasn't a no, I said, links

778
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:52,760
and bobcats don't have four or five foot tails. You know.

779
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,559
It was like the same mountain lions almost looked the

780
00:49:55,599 --> 00:49:58,840
same color as a deer. They got the same brownish

781
00:49:59,559 --> 00:50:04,280
tan color or whatever. Yeah, they just they didn't want

782
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,840
to believe it. Well, there was a few jokes going

783
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,159
on to my aunt. My aunt was saying, well, I'm

784
00:50:10,199 --> 00:50:12,000
not going to go out of fire in the woods anyway.

785
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,519
I'm just gonna sit over here by the road. And

786
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,599
that's when I said, well, that's kind of where I

787
00:50:17,639 --> 00:50:20,960
saw it, where this is where we've seen it cross

788
00:50:21,039 --> 00:50:24,159
right here. And I really didn't want to feel comfortable

789
00:50:24,199 --> 00:50:27,599
with her sitting there, you know, watching the road. But

790
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,960
nothing happened. Nobody ever seen it again. We didn't see

791
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:37,039
it again. I never got any kind of fear out

792
00:50:37,039 --> 00:50:41,360
of it, like some people say, and I attribute that

793
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,079
to I was in the car, the windows were up,

794
00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:49,360
they were locked. I felt pretty safe. Yeah. I didn't

795
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,320
have a gun, but I had a knife, I had

796
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:55,880
a flashlight. My uncle Tony was with me. I felt

797
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,000
like if something like tried to get us, he'd be

798
00:50:59,039 --> 00:51:03,280
able to you know, outrun it or run it over

799
00:51:03,559 --> 00:51:05,840
or whatever, and we'd be able to get away. I

800
00:51:06,199 --> 00:51:10,719
didn't get that fear, but I did get the wow

801
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:15,360
factor when it looked our way out of the corner

802
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,559
of its eyes and they just I've never seen anything

803
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:24,559
shine yellow like not glow, well, yeah, glowing and shining.

804
00:51:25,079 --> 00:51:28,519
It was almost like it had many lights inside its eyes,

805
00:51:28,599 --> 00:51:34,280
like it was crazy. That wowed me. I was like speechless,

806
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:37,079
and then the ears came up and it stood up,

807
00:51:37,159 --> 00:51:42,360
and it went from being just a wolf to something that, hey, man,

808
00:51:42,440 --> 00:51:47,320
these ain't real, you know. The only thing next to

809
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,880
sea is you know, a vampire trying to get us

810
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:54,119
or something. It's just crazy that we see a mountain

811
00:51:54,199 --> 00:51:58,159
lion and then within a minute a dog man or

812
00:51:58,199 --> 00:52:00,400
a werewolf. That's like I said, that's what I call.

813
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,159
My uncle Tony called it a werewolf too. He didn't

814
00:52:03,199 --> 00:52:06,639
know what it was, but every year after that, before

815
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:11,079
deer season, we would talk about it, like if we

816
00:52:11,119 --> 00:52:14,079
see that thing and blah blah blah. And something I

817
00:52:14,119 --> 00:52:18,320
forgot to tell Vic yesterday was after that incident happened.

818
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:23,480
My uncle Tony always hunted with a thirty thirty Winchester. Well,

819
00:52:23,559 --> 00:52:25,599
I have a three hundred weather be mag that my

820
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:30,000
grandpa left me when he died. It was one of

821
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,440
the older models, a really nice one, the Mark five

822
00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:39,119
action with the rosewood tips on it and got it

823
00:52:39,199 --> 00:52:42,960
out really really nice gun. A three hundred weather be

824
00:52:43,079 --> 00:52:46,079
mag would a scope and all that. He switched from

825
00:52:46,079 --> 00:52:49,400
the thirty thirty to the three hundred weather Be opening

826
00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:52,719
morning because he said, if I see it I want

827
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,360
to have some extra firepower to knock it down, you know.

828
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,360
And I use the two seventy Winchester, which I know

829
00:52:58,639 --> 00:53:03,800
is enough to take anything. I mean, I've shot deer

830
00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:06,719
four hundred and fifty five hundred yards with it and

831
00:53:07,039 --> 00:53:10,599
dropped them right there. So plus I handload my own AMMO,

832
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:14,000
and I even handloaded for the weather Be. I handloaded

833
00:53:14,039 --> 00:53:18,280
for the thirty thirty. But yeah, it was that was

834
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:22,519
just something that I forgot to tell Vic yesterday about.

835
00:53:23,039 --> 00:53:26,880
My uncle Tony was definitely concerned about that, and he's like, hey,

836
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:28,719
can I use the Can I use your three hundred

837
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:32,400
weather Be? And that that gun was like, it's sentimental

838
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,440
to me, very sentimental. And it was made in like

839
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:40,679
I believe late fifties or early sixties when Roy Weatherby

840
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,039
first started making them, so it only had a four

841
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:49,840
digit serial number. I was kind of apprehensive. I don't

842
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,840
want I'm scratching in or falling. No, No, I won't,

843
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,519
I won't. Yeah, okay, fine, Yeah, I let him hunt

844
00:53:56,599 --> 00:54:00,039
with it just because of that, and I was I

845
00:54:00,119 --> 00:54:03,199
was definitely more aware when I was out there, but

846
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:06,519
it really didn't affect my hunting. And another thing that's

847
00:54:06,599 --> 00:54:11,599
strange is I saw twenty three deer opening day, not

848
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:15,280
one buck. I had twenty three deer come out some

849
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,280
of them, so there was actually a herd of like

850
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,280
six of them. All those they stood within fifty yards

851
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:27,320
of me watching another hunter that was going into his standard,

852
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,280
walking into the woods, and they didn't even see me,

853
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,000
and I had them each one. I'm lying up looking

854
00:54:34,039 --> 00:54:36,119
at him in my scope. Yeah, oh boy, I'd like

855
00:54:36,159 --> 00:54:40,119
to take you who you're fat one. And there was

856
00:54:40,159 --> 00:54:42,840
probably like seven people that had a Hunter's Choice that

857
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:48,119
year in our party, but nobody wanted their deer shot

858
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,440
for him. Opening weekend. They said no, no, no, we

859
00:54:51,519 --> 00:54:53,880
want to shoot our own. I was like, well, you

860
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,320
guys are going to be eating tag soup then, because

861
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:01,159
it gets harder to see deer after O weekend. Opening weekend,

862
00:55:01,199 --> 00:55:03,000
they don't know what to do. They're running everywhere because

863
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,960
they're getting shot at, and then they finally find sanctuary

864
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:11,280
to hide and that's what they do. And yeah, it's

865
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,119
gonna get harder to get one. And yeah, twenty three

866
00:55:14,119 --> 00:55:17,800
to year opening day. Fortunately me and my uncle Tony

867
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:22,280
though we did. Everybody went home on Sunday night and

868
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,760
came back up after Thanksgiving, me and my uncle Tony

869
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,039
and my grandma stayed up the whole week, the whole

870
00:55:28,119 --> 00:55:36,239
nine days, and my grandma shot a doe. We were

871
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,320
Me and my uncle Tony did a small drive on

872
00:55:38,639 --> 00:55:42,320
by our property and did the small drive. My grandma

873
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:46,239
got a doe, my uncle Tony shot a doe. And

874
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:48,840
then on Thanksgiving Day, me and my uncle Tony went

875
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,599
back on the neighbor's property behind us, who owns eighty

876
00:55:52,639 --> 00:55:55,599
acres and mountcle Tony said, well, I'm gonna walk all

877
00:55:55,639 --> 00:55:58,159
around bow across dead Horse Creek, and then I'm gonna

878
00:55:58,159 --> 00:55:59,920
sneak back see if I can push something to you.

879
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,719
Two hours go by and I don't see him. I'm like,

880
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:08,199
what the heck's going on? There's a long drive. Well,

881
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:10,559
all of a sudden, I hear a shot go off,

882
00:56:11,039 --> 00:56:12,679
and I see out of the corner of my eye

883
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,119
a white flag and it's a deer. It's a deer coming.

884
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,559
It's running toward me from far away, I mean, way

885
00:56:19,559 --> 00:56:23,760
across this eighty acres of oak, and I was up

886
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:29,440
in a big tree stand that I kind of just

887
00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:33,239
comming deer for that day. I did have permission to

888
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,559
hunt back there. He wasn't back there, the owner, but

889
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,000
this deer came running toward me and it stopped and

890
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:42,280
it was looking around, and all of a sudden, a

891
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,320
shot goes off. Uncle Tony shot at it, and the

892
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:48,599
deer just runs about within one hundred yards of me,

893
00:56:48,639 --> 00:56:51,440
and I shoot and I drop it, and he was like,

894
00:56:51,559 --> 00:56:53,960
but he was yelling, it's coming your way, It's coming

895
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:57,159
your way, and this deer was just running. Man. That

896
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:58,840
thing was really out of breath by the time it

897
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:00,480
got to me, and it was a five point fuck

898
00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:04,039
and my grandma was back making Thanksgiving dinner that day.

899
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:07,239
But yeah, so we got three deer that year. That

900
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,719
was like one of our worst years. And I me

901
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:14,320
and my uncle Tony, we attributed that to that dog

902
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:18,800
man wolf where wolf Mountain lion thing is like just

903
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,280
bad luck because we never shot that few of deer

904
00:57:23,039 --> 00:57:27,000
in a season out of usually is seventeen to twenty

905
00:57:27,039 --> 00:57:30,719
five people hunting, and I think that year we had

906
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:34,760
twenty people, twenty one people, and we only got four deer.

907
00:57:35,639 --> 00:57:39,800
Usually we get at least half ten, you know, twelve

908
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:44,599
thirteen deer, and we only got that the whole season,

909
00:57:44,719 --> 00:57:46,679
so it was like and we didn't even shoot any

910
00:57:46,719 --> 00:57:50,480
deer over there. And that's the first year before or

911
00:57:50,679 --> 00:57:58,960
since that we've seen that sighting of that thing. Years

912
00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,280
after that, no problem. We've got lots of deer in there,

913
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:08,360
but that year, Nope, didn't get anything. So I mean

914
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,000
that's that's pretty much what happened.

915
00:58:12,039 --> 00:58:14,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a big number of hunters to only

916
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:18,119
come out with. So if you deer, I agree. If

917
00:58:18,159 --> 00:58:20,159
you've had a dog mean encounter that you need help

918
00:58:20,199 --> 00:58:22,000
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919
00:58:22,039 --> 00:58:25,599
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920
00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:28,880
submit a report. If you've had a bigfoot sighting, we'd

921
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:30,320
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922
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923
00:58:35,639 --> 00:58:37,320
What's the understory that woods?

924
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,719
Speaker 2: Like? The understory?

925
00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: Yeah? Is there a lot of brush or is it

926
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:43,039
pretty open?

927
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:48,320
Speaker 2: Well? I said, it has oak rolling ridges with big

928
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:52,320
oak trees with rolling ridges in there. It has spots

929
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:56,559
where it's dogwood and tamarack. I don't know what you

930
00:58:56,840 --> 00:58:59,880
if you know what that is, it's uh, they kind

931
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:03,360
of look like birch trees. They're white, but they really

932
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,800
don't get much bigger around than your wrist or your forearm,

933
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,800
and they're really close together, you know, they're like really

934
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,559
close together, Like I mean, a deer can squeeze in

935
00:59:13,639 --> 00:59:16,639
through it. And there's probably a section of it that's

936
00:59:16,679 --> 00:59:20,440
probably well, I don't know, twenty acres of it, and

937
00:59:20,719 --> 00:59:23,639
it's the area in there where it's kind of swampy

938
00:59:23,719 --> 00:59:28,360
or pete mossy like on the other end of it,

939
00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:31,360
there's like a lot of pine trees and stuff, and

940
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:35,960
then there's a few open areas, you know, but it's

941
00:59:36,039 --> 00:59:38,280
the perfect place to hunt, like I said, with the

942
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:41,880
stream that runs through there too, they got water. And

943
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,639
then on the on the end of it by Reese's Field,

944
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:48,760
which is would have been behind us when we were

945
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:52,119
going down the road. Reese's Field. That guy he planted

946
00:59:52,199 --> 00:59:55,320
corn there every year and they lived in Chicago and

947
00:59:55,360 --> 01:00:00,559
they only came up opening weekend, so the would have

948
01:00:00,639 --> 01:00:06,079
corn and just acorns galore too. I mean, you wouldn't

949
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:09,639
believe how many acorns would be all over that place

950
01:00:09,679 --> 01:00:14,199
that these deer were eating. So it's sure to see

951
01:00:14,239 --> 01:00:17,519
twenty three deer opening morning, I was just astounded. I

952
01:00:17,599 --> 01:00:20,800
never seen that many deer, but it's like I didn't

953
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:24,280
see any books. I've never seen twenty three deer before,

954
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,599
so it was kind of like a blessing and a

955
01:00:26,639 --> 01:00:28,719
curse all at once. I could have shot almost every

956
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:32,480
single one of them, but everyone's like no. I was like,

957
01:00:32,719 --> 01:00:35,199
I saw so when I took my break and I

958
01:00:35,239 --> 01:00:39,079
went back for hot chocolate and coffee and something like that,

959
01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:42,239
I went back to the car at well, I don't know,

960
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:45,519
ten o'clock or something, and I'm like, yeah, I saw

961
01:00:45,639 --> 01:00:48,599
like eight deer already. Why don't you shoot it? Well,

962
01:00:48,639 --> 01:00:51,159
nobody wants to. They said they didn't want the tag

963
01:00:51,199 --> 01:00:55,440
filled yet, and they're like, oh, well, yeah, that's true.

964
01:00:55,519 --> 01:00:58,039
You know it is opening weekend, it's early. I'm like, well,

965
01:00:58,639 --> 01:01:00,000
that's what I said. You guys are going to be

966
01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:04,239
eating tag soup, and when you're gonna be crying that,

967
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:05,800
you know you should have me shoot it.

968
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that they would be. And yet you did mention

969
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,800
that the woods had all those small trees and that brush,

970
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,880
but you never did say how denseil was. So that's

971
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,760
why I didn't know. Did the dog Man come out

972
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,840
of the woods at the exact same spot where the

973
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,920
Mountain Lion did, or a little bit different of a

974
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:26,880
place it did?

975
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:30,119
Speaker 2: Come out at the from what we could tell. When

976
01:01:30,119 --> 01:01:33,079
we went back the next day we measured it up.

977
01:01:33,159 --> 01:01:36,000
We couldn't see any tracks. We couldn't see nothing because

978
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,639
we didn't go there like when light was up. We

979
01:01:39,679 --> 01:01:42,800
actually went to our hunting spots, to our stands. Even

980
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:47,920
though I wanted to look at that and check it out,

981
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:50,679
I just felt like, well, there's not a lot of

982
01:01:50,719 --> 01:01:54,039
people driving down the road. We only seem like maybe

983
01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:59,639
uh two vehicles maybe that day, and they didn't even

984
01:01:59,639 --> 01:02:03,400
go so if they would have crossed the tracks, they

985
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:06,320
didn't go back that way out, so they went across

986
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:09,440
it once and then they can actually turn into their property.

987
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,039
They were probably from over there. And then another one

988
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,960
turned over by seven point corners and then went out

989
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:20,079
that way toward Mike Boubla's property, which is the way

990
01:02:20,119 --> 01:02:26,719
out of the property. But me and my uncle Tony

991
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:31,599
around the afternoon after we sat and I saw a

992
01:02:31,639 --> 01:02:34,840
deer and I was like, man, and I told him too,

993
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:36,639
and he saw a bunch of dose too, And he

994
01:02:36,679 --> 01:02:39,760
didn't have a tag. I didn't have a tag and

995
01:02:39,960 --> 01:02:41,960
all that. That was the year too that he was

996
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,840
getting married and he didn't have a lot of money.

997
01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:47,880
And I actually paid for his hunting license, which was

998
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,679
one hundred dollars, so out of state was like one

999
01:02:50,719 --> 01:02:53,519
hundred bucks. And he's like, well, I really can't come

1000
01:02:53,559 --> 01:02:56,079
down unless you're gonna pay for my I was like, yeah,

1001
01:02:56,119 --> 01:03:00,199
I got you, man, I got you. So yeah, we

1002
01:03:00,239 --> 01:03:02,599
went back and we looked and looked and looked, and

1003
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,400
we couldn't see nothing. And like I said, the ground

1004
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:10,320
was really hard too. It was, Yeah, it is sand,

1005
01:03:10,559 --> 01:03:14,840
but it's like hard sands, it's not kind of like

1006
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,960
we got a few spots around. Maybe just down the

1007
01:03:18,039 --> 01:03:23,800
road from me, there's another part that the DNR owns,

1008
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:26,679
and this is probably like maybe fifteen hundred acres. It's

1009
01:03:26,719 --> 01:03:29,480
probably twice as big as this place. But they've already

1010
01:03:29,519 --> 01:03:33,039
clear cut it twice, and they planted like pine trees

1011
01:03:33,079 --> 01:03:37,480
in rows, but they did leave some bigger oaks so

1012
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:40,280
to kind of leave it like an old growth forest.

1013
01:03:40,599 --> 01:03:43,719
But the place we hunted at was old growth forests.

1014
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:48,320
This place probably wasn't clear cut for eighty or one

1015
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:52,519
hundred years or something like that, you know, so it

1016
01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:55,119
had a lot. It was like, this is the best

1017
01:03:55,159 --> 01:03:56,000
hunting ever.

1018
01:03:57,079 --> 01:04:00,960
Speaker 1: Sounds like a nice woods. I saw that dog man

1019
01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:03,079
how long did it take you to start thinking about

1020
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,840
all the time you'd spent in those woods without even

1021
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:07,599
knowing what could have been out.

1022
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:11,480
Speaker 2: There Opening Day? That night, when I got back home,

1023
01:04:11,559 --> 01:04:13,960
it was pretty hard to sleep because I was thinking

1024
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:18,079
about the next day. I mean, in the early eighties,

1025
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,800
we all sat, you know. My grandma basically taught me

1026
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:23,639
to sit on a stump or a log or something

1027
01:04:23,679 --> 01:04:26,039
like that. We didn't really have deer stands in the eighties.

1028
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:28,599
They did for bow hunting, but not for rifle hunters.

1029
01:04:29,199 --> 01:04:32,199
Nineties came along, everybody started stand hunting. I was one

1030
01:04:32,199 --> 01:04:35,320
of the first to stand hunt, so in ninety five

1031
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:38,239
I was in a stand. A lot of my other

1032
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,920
party members didn't hunt and stand yet, so I felt

1033
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:44,599
pretty safe being in the stand. And my stand was

1034
01:04:44,679 --> 01:04:48,119
like eighteen feet I mean, I like, I said, that's

1035
01:04:48,119 --> 01:04:51,559
probably not too high up for a werewolf, dog man

1036
01:04:51,599 --> 01:04:55,039
to get me or a mount lion. But usually I

1037
01:04:55,159 --> 01:04:57,239
hunt in an area where I can see pretty good

1038
01:04:57,239 --> 01:05:02,159
because I like to shoot more of a distance. So yeah,

1039
01:05:02,199 --> 01:05:09,119
that Opening day, I was just man, you know, thinking, well,

1040
01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:11,480
if it comes up on me, what am I gonna do?

1041
01:05:11,639 --> 01:05:17,920
You know? And yeah, it's just now I know a

1042
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,920
little more about it, but back then it was very

1043
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:24,960
It was. It was just concerning. That's why I told

1044
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,519
you I was worried about other family members, like where

1045
01:05:27,559 --> 01:05:30,800
they were sitting. And you know, not only the Mountain Lion,

1046
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:34,679
it was that dog man. Because I don't know anything

1047
01:05:34,719 --> 01:05:37,440
about it. They don't tell you. Well, in my greats

1048
01:05:37,559 --> 01:05:40,320
tier every year, and you know, it has these many

1049
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,760
pups and they weigh such and such, and you know

1050
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:46,320
they like the taste of people. I don't know, you know,

1051
01:05:47,599 --> 01:05:52,679
So yeah, not knowing that it was the biggest thing

1052
01:05:52,719 --> 01:05:56,679
in my mind, not knowing do they want to get you?

1053
01:05:57,079 --> 01:06:00,599
Could they snatch you up and run away and nobody

1054
01:06:00,719 --> 01:06:04,079
see you again? From what I seen, like I said,

1055
01:06:04,119 --> 01:06:06,840
with them legs on it, it had legs like a

1056
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:10,840
running back like I don't know, not like an Emmitt Smith,

1057
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:14,119
but like a Terrelle Davis. I mean, big, huge, muscular,

1058
01:06:15,559 --> 01:06:19,719
just cut legs. I could see the definition and the

1059
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,119
tone and the ripples in it, even in the shoulder,

1060
01:06:22,119 --> 01:06:24,840
in the arm. You know, I probably didn't state that before.

1061
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:30,239
But and then the fur from the neck that came

1062
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:34,840
down was like a smoky grit. Well, yeah, it was

1063
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:38,800
like a black, all black until it got down to

1064
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,239
the waist and then marked towards the feet. I could

1065
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:46,559
see like a gray or a silver white. Even when

1066
01:06:46,599 --> 01:06:49,440
certain people get gray hairs, they get white hairs instead,

1067
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:52,599
kind of like that. But it was a salt and

1068
01:06:52,599 --> 01:06:56,440
pepper but it was mostly all black, like they say,

1069
01:06:56,559 --> 01:06:59,760
it's like charcoal black that it blends in with the

1070
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:04,920
It was almost looked like a shadow like you know,

1071
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,360
like like they would say paranormal, but I could tell

1072
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:12,599
it wasn't paranormal. I could see it breathe. I could

1073
01:07:12,599 --> 01:07:14,639
see it take a breath too, when you know, it

1074
01:07:14,719 --> 01:07:18,599
stood up and stepped across the road and just all that.

1075
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:21,760
I mean, I didn't see big teeth or a yawn

1076
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:23,840
or a grin or nothing, because we were pretty far

1077
01:07:24,039 --> 01:07:27,000
down the road. I'm sure our lights, I would think

1078
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,039
our lights were blinding it. It didn't know, And we

1079
01:07:30,039 --> 01:07:34,719
were in a little Geometro three cylinder car that doesn't

1080
01:07:34,719 --> 01:07:38,159
make a lot of noise and gets super gas mileage,

1081
01:07:38,159 --> 01:07:40,519
so it's not very loud, so you can't even really

1082
01:07:40,559 --> 01:07:44,880
hear it running. I'm like existing running, you know, so

1083
01:07:46,199 --> 01:07:48,440
I mean, I'm sure we have better hearing, but yeah,

1084
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:53,519
it was I don't know, just yeah, I definitely thought

1085
01:07:53,519 --> 01:07:55,880
about it, and me and my uncle Tony, we talked

1086
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:57,559
about it every year. That's why we're like, man, we

1087
01:07:57,599 --> 01:08:00,800
should go hunt that thing one day. And you know,

1088
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:05,320
it wasn't until like year two thousand. I think it

1089
01:08:05,360 --> 01:08:08,320
was about that two thousand and two thousand and one

1090
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:14,679
that I actually might have been ninety nine. Yeah, when

1091
01:08:14,719 --> 01:08:16,920
I had a computer. I got my own computer, and

1092
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:20,520
I was looking it up and doing research on it.

1093
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:23,399
That's when I was saying that I'm like, we should

1094
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:25,760
go hunt that thing, and then if we get one,

1095
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:27,439
you know, we could turn it in and prove to

1096
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:31,159
everybody they do exist and then make sure not everybody's

1097
01:08:31,159 --> 01:08:35,640
out there killing them or blah blah blah. Maybe they

1098
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:39,880
could study it or Yeah. Another story I had too

1099
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,800
is it's kind of funny, is when I was a kid,

1100
01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:45,560
I got to be plus on it. My teacher said

1101
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:47,800
she wanted us to write a story on what we

1102
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,439
want to be when we grow up. Well, I wrote

1103
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:54,920
down that I was gonna get a sasquatch, turn it

1104
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,960
in and I would be rich off it, you know,

1105
01:08:58,239 --> 01:09:00,520
and go on the news and all that donated to

1106
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:05,039
the museum. And she gave me credit for originality and stuff,

1107
01:09:05,039 --> 01:09:08,039
but she said I should probably shoot for something more realistic.

1108
01:09:09,119 --> 01:09:14,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd say so. Well, I tell you what, Bruno,

1109
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:16,439
We're about out of time. But before we get out

1110
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:18,279
of here, do you haveney clothes and comments you want

1111
01:09:18,279 --> 01:09:19,680
to put out there for us?

1112
01:09:20,359 --> 01:09:24,600
Speaker 2: No, just that you know, I I came on here

1113
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:28,560
because not that I was traumatized from it. And again

1114
01:09:29,199 --> 01:09:31,520
I may have been if I was in a different situation,

1115
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:35,600
if I was outside the car, or sitting in the

1116
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:39,119
woods all by myself like some of these people, or

1117
01:09:39,159 --> 01:09:41,000
taking my dog out to go to the bathroom, and

1118
01:09:41,039 --> 01:09:44,840
you see it, especially unarmed, I would feel Yeah, I

1119
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:49,680
don't know, but I mean I saw it way longer

1120
01:09:50,039 --> 01:09:53,840
than I saw the mountain lion, right, And I know

1121
01:09:54,199 --> 01:10:00,159
for a fact I saw a mountain lion, so I

1122
01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:05,079
had to have seen a dog man. And my uncle

1123
01:10:05,199 --> 01:10:07,119
was with me, and I wish he was still alive

1124
01:10:07,199 --> 01:10:13,159
he died in twenty fourteen, because he would have told

1125
01:10:13,159 --> 01:10:16,840
you the same story that just about to the tee,

1126
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:20,319
the exact same because you know, I mean we both

1127
01:10:20,359 --> 01:10:22,520
described it the same way. He saw a few other

1128
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,479
things details that I didn't see, like he saw the

1129
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,960
right arm. He saw a couple other things I can't

1130
01:10:29,039 --> 01:10:33,039
remember off hand, but that he noticed that I didn't,

1131
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:37,039
and of how big it was. That's why he switched

1132
01:10:37,039 --> 01:10:39,720
to a different gun. And that's why I'm on here

1133
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:43,359
to let people know that I've told so with you,

1134
01:10:43,439 --> 01:10:46,119
it's you're the eighth person I've ever told this story too,

1135
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:51,520
since nineteen ninety five, And the only other people I

1136
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:54,039
told were really close friends, So I never really got

1137
01:10:54,119 --> 01:10:56,239
drunk at a party and like, hey, why aren't tell

1138
01:10:56,239 --> 01:10:59,199
you a story? Where old? But I saw no. I mean,

1139
01:11:00,039 --> 01:11:02,319
the only people I ever told were like, really really

1140
01:11:02,439 --> 01:11:07,920
close friends, and I know they believed the cougar the

1141
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:13,279
mountain lion, and they did. A couple of them did

1142
01:11:13,319 --> 01:11:15,840
tell me they believe me. They believed I saw it,

1143
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:18,680
but a couple of them was like, I don't know, man,

1144
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:24,079
I don't know. But it's just that I feel like

1145
01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:29,880
people should know what I saw exist and if it

1146
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:34,000
was an apparition that looked like it was flesh and blood,

1147
01:11:34,119 --> 01:11:36,720
I don't know. I don't know what they are or

1148
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:42,479
I've never seen one since. I mean, there's so much

1149
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:46,359
unexplained that you just don't know. We don't have one,

1150
01:11:46,399 --> 01:11:49,359
so we can't tell, but I know I saw it.

1151
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:54,399
You know, I've never seen a ghost, but I've seen this,

1152
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:57,439
and I've seen a mountain lion, and I've seen a moose,

1153
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:01,640
and i've seen an elk. You know, I'm seeing black beers,

1154
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:07,000
grizzly bears, porcupines, all that stuff. And I just want

1155
01:12:07,039 --> 01:12:10,439
people to know that it is real. It's it's as

1156
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:14,199
real as you and me and me. And you had

1157
01:12:14,199 --> 01:12:16,920
that talk too, and I said, well, you know, I

1158
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:20,039
think if I ever went out to try to hunt

1159
01:12:20,079 --> 01:12:22,000
one or catch one or shoot it or whatever, and

1160
01:12:22,039 --> 01:12:23,800
you're like, well, when they don't want to be seen,

1161
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:25,920
they don't want to be seen, And yeah, that may

1162
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:30,760
be true, but you know, I think if it is

1163
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:34,159
flesh and blood and it does bleed, you can kill it,

1164
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:38,800
but you know, you got to hit it in the

1165
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:42,760
right spot. And I think some of these people that say,

1166
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,920
well I shot it, I know I hit it. I

1167
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:49,000
know there's people that say they shot a deer, but

1168
01:12:49,079 --> 01:12:51,560
we never found any blood. We never found a deer.

1169
01:12:52,560 --> 01:12:54,880
And you got to remember, too, you're gonna shoot it

1170
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:59,880
something that doesn't exist. So if you don't believe it exists,

1171
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:03,319
how can you believe you can shoot it. You have

1172
01:13:03,399 --> 01:13:06,880
to accept that it exists before you're gonna be able

1173
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:12,159
to hit it. That's my thoughts. I don't know, that's

1174
01:13:12,279 --> 01:13:15,600
just if you don't believe it's real. I don't know

1175
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:17,239
if you're gonna believe you're gonna be able to hit

1176
01:13:17,279 --> 01:13:19,760
it or believe you're gonna be able to kill it.

1177
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:22,479
I think you have to believe that it is real,

1178
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:25,520
and you need to take the extra steps, you know,

1179
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:29,000
just like they tell you, you know, take the safety off,

1180
01:13:29,159 --> 01:13:32,960
take a nice breath, let it out, you know, don't

1181
01:13:33,319 --> 01:13:36,840
jerk the trigger, don't yank the trigger. I've seen people

1182
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,600
shoot at a ten point buck one time with an

1183
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:43,039
m one car being and they had buck fever and

1184
01:13:43,079 --> 01:13:46,760
they emptied all fifteen rounds out of the clip because

1185
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:50,840
there's a rear peep site and a front blade site.

1186
01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:54,119
They looked over the front peep site and just looked

1187
01:13:54,159 --> 01:14:00,159
at the front post and emptied their clip. So nerves happen, man,

1188
01:14:00,000 --> 01:14:03,119
and something like that. I could see it definitely happen.

1189
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:08,279
If you didn't find blood. I just if they can

1190
01:14:08,399 --> 01:14:10,760
bleed and they can die and they are flesh and blood.

1191
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:14,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, you see something like that. It does make it

1192
01:14:14,159 --> 01:14:16,399
that much more difficult to get an accurate shot on.

1193
01:14:17,119 --> 01:14:19,640
Speaker 2: That's why I thought about that a lot too. I thought,

1194
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:21,600
if I was in the woods, I talk a big game,

1195
01:14:22,399 --> 01:14:24,479
you know, would I be able to pull off keeping

1196
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:29,039
us steady? You know? That's my grandma taught me though.

1197
01:14:29,079 --> 01:14:31,279
She's like, you don't look at the horns. You see

1198
01:14:31,279 --> 01:14:35,159
a big buck out there, you aim your shot, you

1199
01:14:35,199 --> 01:14:37,720
put it in there. You go for the right and

1200
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:40,479
the boilers and the lungs or in the heart. You

1201
01:14:40,520 --> 01:14:44,079
go through your steps, you take your shot, and then

1202
01:14:44,279 --> 01:14:46,159
when you're done hitting it, then you can do you're

1203
01:14:46,199 --> 01:14:49,640
celebrating or look at the horns or your trophy or whatever.

1204
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,119
That's just a bonus. But you want to make a

1205
01:14:52,119 --> 01:14:54,960
good shot, and that's you got to be the bullet,

1206
01:14:54,960 --> 01:14:56,600
I guess, is what I'm saying.

1207
01:14:57,720 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 1: Well, easier said than done when you're shooting at some

1208
01:15:00,359 --> 01:15:03,359
like that. But Bruno, I can't thank you enough for

1209
01:15:03,439 --> 01:15:06,399
coming on to share the details of that experience with us.

1210
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:07,680
I really appreciate it.

1211
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope it makes somebody be more aware and

1212
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:16,319
cautious when they go out. I don't know, with these

1213
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:20,439
missing four one to one things and or not even that,

1214
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:23,479
but just people going missing or getting lost. You know,

1215
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:27,760
carry a compass, carry a sidearm, or have somebody with you,

1216
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:30,720
carry a side arm, some kind of protection. You know,

1217
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:36,279
be prepared. The mother nature is not something to mess

1218
01:15:36,319 --> 01:15:39,039
around with. And when you're out there, then you're susceptible

1219
01:15:39,039 --> 01:15:43,800
to father time and he doesn't play either. So I

1220
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:46,600
don't know. I just feel like it's not like you're

1221
01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:48,600
not at a grocery store. You're not at your house.

1222
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:50,840
You can't just call nine one one. You might not

1223
01:15:50,880 --> 01:15:53,239
get a signal on your phone, or so many things

1224
01:15:53,279 --> 01:15:55,880
could happen. You could cut your leg open and bleed

1225
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:59,039
to death before anybody gets to you, not even just

1226
01:15:59,119 --> 01:16:03,159
a dog man. I don't know. I'm just saying, be more,

1227
01:16:04,439 --> 01:16:07,000
be more vigilant, pay attention more when you're out there.

1228
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:10,199
I wish I would have paid attention more for some

1229
01:16:10,319 --> 01:16:13,680
other times too, because some other strange things happened that

1230
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,199
I kind of just wrote off, and I'm like, I

1231
01:16:16,239 --> 01:16:19,840
wonder if that was maybe something, But you know, you

1232
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:22,479
don't know now because you didn't pay attention to those

1233
01:16:23,079 --> 01:16:24,359
signs before.

1234
01:16:24,199 --> 01:16:28,199
Speaker 1: So well, you can't be faulted for that. I mean,

1235
01:16:28,199 --> 01:16:30,800
we've all done, things like that where we should have

1236
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:33,520
turned left when we turned right, so don't be too

1237
01:16:33,560 --> 01:16:36,680
hard on yourself. But having said that, thanks again so

1238
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:52,640
much for your time Bruno, and have a great night.