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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Tonight's guest is Bruno Thompson. Bruno,
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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're welcome. Bruno. Please give us a brief bio
on yourself.
Speaker 2: A brief bio on myself. Okay, I'm fifty four years old.
I live in central Wisconsin, Adams County, which is forty
minutes north of the Wisconsin Dells. I like to hunt, fish, trap,
anything outdoors. In my younger years, I did a lot
of sports, high school baseball, certain things like that. I
worked for the Wisconsin Conservation Corps for two years from
nineteen ninety two to ninety three, and that involved building
birdhouses or woodduck houses, and planting trees and just doing
all kinds of things. We actually took third graders on
field trips, planted trees with them, taught them about trees. Yeah,
I did that for so I was twenty one at
that time. I just kind of fast forward here, but yeah,
and I learned a lot doing that, just wanting to
be in the outdoors. It didn't pay a lot. The
reason I took the job was because I found out
I could get a scholarship from the state, because I
ended up getting my ged I moved around a lot
as a kid. We talked yesterday and I told you
about I lived in five different states, you know, growing
up Florida, Wisconsin, Alaska, Utah, and Michigan. So I moved
around and went to quite a few different schools, and
you know, but when I was finally fifteen, I pretty
much stayed with my grandma and didn't live with my mom.
But anyway, back to the Wisconsin Conservation Corps. I finished
out my time there. I got my scholarship from them,
and I went to MATC and I studied Ohm's law
for about six months, and I got a job with
Able Electric in Green Bay. I worked with them for
a while, got a job with CC Electric, a Platinum Electric,
but I basically ended up moving on from there and
going into factory work. And that's just kind of like
what I do now. And I only do electrical work
on side jobs. I do do it, but I just
do it as side jobs. So basically about me. I
just love hunting, fishing, being outdoors, kayaking, trapping. Right now,
I'm trying to go for a pilot's license. I was
talking about that yesterday, building a small single seat aircraft.
I live on ten acres up here. It's really nice.
I only work ten minutes away, and I do a
lot of reloading, building birdhouses, you know, just tinkering, like
doing carpentry and target practice. So yeah, I just come
from a family that they all did hunting.
Speaker 3: And fishing, and my grandma, my grandpa, they all went
out to Wyoming and they shot antelope and mule deer
and all that.
Speaker 2: And when I was growing up, you know, I was
kind of wanted to be like my grandpa. So I
don't know, that's really about it.
Speaker 1: That must have been great growing up with your family,
with your extended family being so interested in the outdoors.
That'd be great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely. Like so, when I was six years old,
I got my first geebe gun from my grandpa. I mean,
I guess that's pretty young for a kid. My mom
really didn't like it. And another story is when I
was I mean, if you could imagine this, I got
a ten twenty two ruger car. Being at eight years old,
so I had to walk to school every day because
I was a latch key kid, you know, I had
to carry your house key around your neck because your
parents both worked or whatever and you had to basically
take care of yourself. Well, I walked to school and
I was just going down the steps into the playground.
And this was in Milwaukee, nineteen eighty February tenth. It
was cold outside, and all of a sudden, I hear
beep beep, and I look around. I don't see nothing.
And the school I went to, there's a cools parking
lot right across the street. And I look over and
there's one car over. I don't see nobody, so I
just start going on the steps again. Then I hear
somebody yell hey, Bubba, and that's my grandpa called me.
He called me bubb or Bubba. So I look up
and there he is like waving out the window to me.
I was like, oh my god. So I go running
over there and he's like, hey, I brought you your
birthday president. I was like what. He's like, yeah, jump in,
and so I jump in the car and he hands
me this big box and puts it on my lap.
I'm like, what is it? He's open it up, you know,
and I didn't know, but it was shaped like a gun,
you know, in a big box. So I'm just like wow.
I mean, I ripped that thing open so fast, and
I had it out of the box and I'm looking
down the sites and I had the gun out the window,
aiming at the street light. You know. I was like, oh,
this is so cool. And he engraved on it to
Bubba with love Papa, February tenth, nineteen eighty, you know,
on a little gold plated plaque that he had attached
to the to the right side of the stock so
when you cheeked it, the plate wouldn't touch your face.
It would be on the opposite side. And my uncle Mark,
he was one year younger than me because my grandma
had him at forty years old. My mom had me
at sixty. So my grandma had her last kid late
in life and my mom had me really young, so
we were like brothers. So he got a ten twenty
two ruger carbing with one serial number off and his
engraved plate that said to Mark, you know, with love
Dad on his birthday, right, So they were like a
matching set, and he ordered him that way. But that
was like one of the greatest birthday presents I ever had.
I wasn't able to tell my mom about it because
back then it's kind of a long story. I really
don't want to get into that today. But I lived
with my grandma and grandpa until I was five, and
then my mom kind of took me away from there
and she didn't want me seeing my grandma and grandpa.
So this was kind of a surprise visit. But yeah,
it was like the best birthday president ever. Yeah, it
was a nice time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like it. And I'll bet your mom
would have freaked out if she would have known.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Back in nineteen or so, two years later,
when we were living in Florida, my mom said something
to me one day and I was like, well, I
already got a gun. No you don't.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I.
Speaker 2: Told her. You know, I was twelve, So I'm like, yeah, where,
I said, in Milwaukee? Who's got I said, Grandma's got it?
What who got it for you? I said, Papa did.
When I was like on my birthday, way back when
when I wasn't supposed to talk to him. Oh, sneak,
you know. I mean she really didn't care too much
because my grandpa got sick and died in eighty three,
so that was kind of a rough thing. But yeah,
it brought her family back together because my mom didn't
really want to talk to them, and when my grandpa
got sick, then it we all, I don't know, got
back together.
Speaker 1: Well I hate the fact that he passed away, but
I'm glad at least your family got together after that. Yeah,
all right, Brinda, please tell us about your encounter. Now
give us ever last detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 2: Okay, this was November seventeenth, nineteen ninety five. It was
the day before opening day of rifle season in Wisconsin,
and this happened around nine pm to ten thirty. I'm
not positive on the time. I just kind of know
what time. Me and my uncle Tony left the trailer
and we went for a ride, and we went to
pick up some beer and food and snacks and lan
Jaeger's and jerky that we would take out in the
woods with us. So, yeah, everybody was already up here.
A lot of my family members that live about well,
they don't live. They have a cabin a mile from
us on fourteenth A in Adams County, where just I'm
just off Highway thirteen north towards the Wisconsin Rapids and Adams, Wisconsin,
so that's where I'm at. And anyways, so we're back
here and my uncle Tony's like, hey, you want to
go for a ride and pick all this stuff up
and do this and that, and and I'm like, yeah,
let's go, you know, and He's He's somebody that I
just he was my closest uncle. I always got along
with them. He inspired me a lot of ways too,
because he played baseball in school and I like baseball
and all that. And he actually had a draft letter
for tryout for the Cincinnati Reds back in nineteen seventy nine.
So anyway, we just me and him were like peanut,
Butter and Jelly. Whenever there was a family reunion, they'd
be like, where's Bruno. He's hanging out with unkin Tony.
So we were just always together. We hunted together, we
thought alike everything, even though there was like a eight
year difference, which I guess isn't that much for an
uncle and a nephew. But anyway, I go with him.
We jump in his little geometro and we go for
a ride, and I'm trying to remember if it was mine.
I think it was his idea. He's like, hey, let's
let's go drive through the hunting land. And I'm debating
with him, like, well, I don't know if it's a
very good idea, and why you know, we really never
did that. We drove around other areas to look at
where the deer are crossing the night before, you know,
looking for signs and stuff. But I didn't want to
go in there because I'm like, yeah, driving in there
spooking them, you know. I mean we're going in there
at nine to ten thirty at night. We're going to
be in those woods at five six am, you know,
we don't really want to scare them and stuff. He's
just like, ah, that's not going to one car. It's
not like we're chasing them down or we're doing donuts
or going really fast. So I'm like I finally agree
on it. I'm like, okay, So we go in and
this is it's seven hundred and sixty acres of public land.
And to describe this place to you is it's really
it was really nice. We hunted it from nineteen six
nineteen sixty till the year twenty fifteen. Yeah, and it
got clear cutted and the DNR ended up selling the
land to some farmers and now it's farm fields. But
back then it was really nice. It had everything that
you wanted, like rolling oak ridges, big huge oak trees
with falling acorns and tamarack. It had lot like a
spot there where it had all these tamaracks and thickets
and dogwood where deer could hide and kind of like
a I don't know, it would be a peat moss,
but it's kind of a swampy. I wouldn't say swamp,
but it's wetter in that area. So there's a few
spots in there in this seven hundred and sixty acres
that has kind of a wetter area, and it's jackpines
in there, white pine, Scotch pine, just different kinds of
trees and wild hazel nuts. We got hazel nuts galore.
You really can't even harvest them around here because the
deer eat them before they get right. Like I'll go
out and I'll see them and I'll be like, yeah,
those will be ready in another two weeks. I go
out to get them, and you can see the deer
nibbled him and ate him right off. So wild blueberries, raspberries,
just everything. And something that I talked to you yesterday
I forgot to tell you was in these encounters people
say they've seen that it's happened by water. I forgot
to tell you that that it's not that far away
from a thing called dead Horse Creek. Dead Horse Creek
is actually eight blocks. Now. I wouldn't even call it
blocks because I'm in the country. It's it's a five
or ten minute walk from my house. I can go
to dead Horse Creek and it runs for a long
ways and runs into Big Rascha Cree or Little Raschakree Lake.
So yeah, it's just a really nice place to hunt
that We've always shot deer there. We had places there
that we nicknamed them certain spots, like seven point corners
because there's seven corners there. The roads they're logging trails,
they go different ways, and a lot of our family
members or friends of the family shot deer there and
never shot any dough. They always shot a seven point
buck and it happened many times, so we called it
seven point corners or seven points. So anyway we're we
go in by Mike Bubla's because he has a an
easement that goes in either you can get in another way,
but you got to go way around and take Highway
thirteen and kind of go around one of the lakes
and come in the back way, and we just didn't
like doing that. And we knew Mike Bubla since the sixties.
He was friends with my grandma and grandpa, and he
would open up his property for us to drive through
there to get in, and so we go in there
after we already picked our stuff up from the store.
So this was just kind of a we were just
going to go in there, take one lap around, kind
of look around. You know. We weren't even really going
to get out of the car because we just didn't
want to. We just kind of wanted to go in
there and have the brights on and the road these
logging roads too. To give you some idea, are you
can see down some of these roads twelve hundred yards.
If seven hundred and sixty acres is twelve hundred yards,
it probably is. I think I put a rangefinder on
it a couple times, and it's beyond that. But the
road is at some points thirty feet wide to fifty
feet wide from woods to woods because the seven hundred
and sixty acres butts up to another property that some
people own. So it really works out good because people
that we don't hunt with will be hunting in there
part of the woods on the logging roads, and they'll
chase the deer out into ours and they get shot
at and run back into theirs, and it's a back
and forth thing. So, and the road itself is maybe
fifteen feet wide, twelve to fifteen feet wide, and we're
just going down this road, you know, got the music
really low, we got the windows up and we're just
looking and he's got the uh, the bright's on, so
we can see a long long ways and we weren't
planning on shining or anything like that. You're not supposed
to have guns in your vehicle twenty four hours prior
to the rifle deer season. You're not supposed to shine
deer twenty four hours prior to the deer season, and
that includes shining with your headlights. So if you see
deer in a field you're not really you'd probably get
ticketed for turning around and using your car to to
look at him, even if you don't have a gun,
so we were trying to stay within rules and just
take a look around. And it's, like I said, it's
something we never did. I never remember one time that
we ever went there the night before or the day
before the season, just because that was always in our thought.
And if we would have said something to my grandma,
my grandma would say, no, stay the heck out of there.
I don't want to spooking my dear or whatever, you know.
So we did it. Anyway, We're going down the road
and we get up till about seven point corners there,
and we just kept going straight because we were taking
a lap around. We were already down by a place
called Reese's Field, which a farmer owns, and that's more
on the south end. Yeah, and so we're up there,
we're just going along, going along, and out of the blue,
I mean, we're both got, we're both looking forward and
for people listening too to think, you know, some people
got didn't see something right, or it happened really fast.
This did happen really fast. But I had my I
have paperwork even showing it that back in ninety five
I had twenty thirteen vision. The doctor said, he said,
you got twenty thirteen visions. I thought something was wrong
with my eyes, and he said no, he's like, I've
never seen anybody be able to read those letters that
you just read off there on that bottom chart. He's like,
in twenty two or twenty six years whatever that he's
been the doctor, he's never seen somebody read something like
that fine print. So I'm just letting you know that
I know what I've seen, even though it was a
fraction of a second. And almost everybody in my family
just nobody wears glasses unless they're over forty and they
need them for reading. But everybody had really good long
range vision. And the doctor told me, well, what you
what somebody with twenty twenty vision can see? You can
see it seven feet further away. I'm like, really, huh, no,
wonder you know? I didn't know. So we're looking ahead
and all of a sudden, from right to left, you
see this. It took up the whole road. Yeah, it
was far away. I would I would guesstimate two hundred
and fifty to three hundred yards, probably three hundred yards,
but we were kind of at the top. These these
logging roads go up and down a lot, so you
once you get to a top of one. You can
see all the way to the end of the logging
road where it hits the woods, which is probably beyond
what most people can shoot. But anyway, I'm looking. Mount
Patony's looking too. He's driving. I'm a passenger, and from
right to left we just see this whole big, giant
brown mountain lion. And I'm just gonna tell you right
now mountain lion, because it took up the whole road.
The tail was like four or five feet long. I
don't know how long their tails are, but it was.
It was so long, and it was so low to
the ground that it was just hauling. But I mean,
this thing, it cleared the whole fifty foot road, or
maybe it was thirty foot at that point, but it
was one leap. It like came out of the woods
on the right side and it just leapt over the
road all stretched out. You could see its front legs
all the way out like Superman, and its back legs
stretched out like it was flying across the road. And
it was so low to the ground, but it was
so big. It was like it looked like it was
twelve feet long with that tail, and it was like
that you know it happened in a flash, right, But
we're trying to compute what we just saw. And my
uncle Tony actually looks over and he's like, what, what
in the heck did you just see? And I said,
I saw a mountain lion. He's like, Okay, I'm just
checking because that's what I saw too, And I'm like,
they weren't. Just like, we can't believe it. You know,
wolves weren't even I guess reintroduced here in the state
until the early nineties. They put a small pack in,
so I didn't even see a wolf in Wisconsin yet.
And I've seen fissures and Pine Martin bobcats. I have
never seen, you know, links in Wisconsin, but they say
they have them too. But this wasn't a links. It
wasn't a bobcat. It wasn't a house cat. It was
a mountain lion. It was like two hundred pounds and
it had the longest tail, just like a mountain lion.
I mean. And the only mountain lion that I seen
in the whild was this one. So I've seen him
in zoos and I know they look like and We're
just sitting there going like, oh my god, dude, we
saw a mountain lion. You know, nobody's gonna believe us,
and only maybe twenty to maybe. I was trying to
think of the time yesterday when I talked to you, victim,
it was probably twenty seconds to a minute. It's just
hard to say the time, because it's everything slowed down.
It's like it slowed down and sped up because it
slowed down that we saw a mountain lion that I've
never seen a mountain lion, you know, in nineteen ninety
five in Wisconsin, and nobody nobody even said anything about them,
and dn R didn't say anything, and it was just
like all these things going through her mind, like, you know,
we gotta tell them back then at the cabin when
we get back, but they're not gonna believe us. And
then Graham was gonna be like, why were you over
on the hunting property and scaring dear Da Da Da
da da, And it wasn't it wasn't but twenty seconds
to him. Sixty seconds maybe after that, And when you
seeing them out in mine, we were still going and
we were only going ten to fifteen miles an hour,
so we probably closed the distance another one hundred yards.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: We could have been going even slower. I'm not positive,
but we weren't going fast at all. We're just kind
of at a crawl through there, and we're just like,
I can't we saw a mountainline. My uncle Tony was saying,
a cougar, but yeah, cougar, mountain lion, same thing. And
we're just trying to get over the fact that that's
that's what we've seen and how how are we going
to explain this and nobody is going to believe it,
no one, no one is gonna believe it. And so
we're now we're about one hundred yards closer. We're probably
two hundred yards away from where this thing we think
crossed where we seen it kind of cross and then
we kind of took a mental image. And we've all
always done that. My grandma taught me that, like when
you shoot a deer and it runs somewhere, don't get
so excited that you lose track of where it ran
in the woods. You want to keep your cool and
your calm. And if you see it running somewhere market
that's the last place you've seen it, or if it
makes it into the woods, keep your eye on it
until you can see that. You don't see the tail anymore,
you don't see the deer, and remember, you know, stay
sitted there and keep an eye on. Okay, that's the
last place I've seen it, because if we have to
track it, you might have to sit in that spot
and tell the other person, Nope, go to the right,
go to the left. Yep, right there is the last
place I seen it, because it's hard to see it
from when you get over there. Anyway, we're just about
one hundred yards closer, and all of a sudden, from
the same spot that we can tell that that mountain
lion came jumping out and clearing the road in one leap,
a giant black wolf's head comes out of the woods. So,
like I said, the woods can be the woods can
be maybe so fifteen feet fifty seven and a half feet,
if you want to get technical, the woods can be
seven and a half feet from the edge of the
road up to fifteen feet or yeah, or twelve feet maybe.
Because there's hazel nut bushes that grow along there, blueberries,
all kinds of red raspberries, and tangles and just stuff
like that that grows on the side of the row.
Of these logging trails. Nobody goes out there and cuts it,
so kind of grows wild. So when this head came out,
it's I've seen its left paw come out first, touched
just before, just before the edge of the road, and
it had its ears back, so I couldn't see any
ears sticking up, but I could tell. I thought it
was a dog, for a giant, big dog, because that's
what my uncle said, whose dog, you know? And it
was like we barely got those words out and it
was like, no, that's a wolf. Oh my god, there's
a wolf. And just after getting those words out, it
transition from So the mountain lion was like I said,
maybe thirty inches. I mean, I guess when it was
leaping across the road it looked taller off the ground.
But this, this big black head you could tell, was
probably two feet higher up than as far as the
mountain lion jumped right. So when the head came out
like that, you could tell how big it was. It
was like, oh my god, do that is you know? Yeah,
we're another one hundred yards closer too, maybe, you know,
which made it look bigger, but it was just way
beyond big than what I thought, and just all black.
And I've never seen an all black wolf. The only
black ones I seen were like in captivity, and they
had really long legs and kind of were skinny looking.
And this one wasn't like that. As we got out
those words about like, oh it's a wolf, it's a
it's like, you know, what's that doing out here? It
was whose farmer? Whose dog is out? It just stood
up from the four leg I didn't see the other
legs because they were the back legs were in the
woods yet, and just the front leg or I, like
I said to Vic, I said, the paws weren't really
pause people say raccoon hands or whatever. I call them
pans like they were a cross between a paw and
a hand, because I actually saw like hair on the
fingers and long claws, but it kind of looked like
a paw a little bit where the wrist kind of hinges,
and so it when it stood up and stepped out,
it stepped out. Yeah, yeah, I seen both legs. It
stepped out and stood right up. And this thing was
like easily my uncle Tony said the same thing. He
might have gauged it a foot taller than me. I said,
it was like seven or eight feet tall, because we
were looking at some of the trees that had some
overhanging branches. And I'll get to that later on. But
the next day we did go back and check it
some of the heights but it stood up. But oh wait,
before it stood up, though, I forgot it actually from
the car like shining toward it. I forgot to say,
it turned its head. And this is when its ears
were still down, so it tears were still down, and
it was like stalking.
Speaker 4: Like like like anybody's anybody ever seen a wire hair
pointer or a German short hair pointer the way they
point birds.
Speaker 2: That's how it came out of the woods like it
was like like it was stalking something like like a
cat does sometimes gets down real slow and sneaks. That's
how it looked. And its ears were down like that,
and it's paw and it just turned its head, not
ninety degrees at us. It only turned it like forty
five degrees just to turn. Because I mean, we had
bright shining all it lit up the whole road. The
light was shining off the trees and actually some of
the trees drape over the road, the branches overhang the road.
So it's like a tunnel. So that's how bright it was.
There was no problem seeing anything. And when it turned
its head and looked like toward the car, you could
just see I saw golden glowing hives. They weren't yellow,
they weren't red, they weren't it wasn't eyeshine, it was golden.
I didn't see a pupil. I didn't. I just saw
a big round, golden glowing eyes, like almost like a
mini flashlight that was coming out of there. But so
it just kind of looked at us, like how do
I wouldn't even say it looked. It just kind of
looked that way for a second, like maybe I was thinking,
like what's that coming? Or where what's that light? You know,
That's kind of the way it looked. And then it
just looked straight back ahead again to where that mountain
lion we saw a run and that's when it stood up.
And when it stood up, it took two steps to
clear the road, so it was like one step and
I could see both legs in the back, and the
legs to me were just the upper legs looked like
a running back's legs for like the NFL. I could
see the muscles in them. I mean, yeah, two hundred
yards is of distance. But I could see it clear
as day with the high beams on it and everything.
And when it stepped with the first foot, I could
see the definition and the split between the leg the
way when it stepped, I could see the muscles in
between the upper quad or I guess that's what it's called,
just kind of you could see the definition of the
lines in it like a muscle. And then I could
see it had that double I don't know, I guess
it would be called a double hinged foot or whatever
they call that, where it has a knee, but then
it has that second leg just like a dog or
even a rabbit. It's kind of longer leg, and you
could I couldn't see those looked more like paused me,
but just oversized paws. I didn't see like long finger
claws like or cat claws on the bottom of the feet.
It just looked like oversized giant feet. But it stood
up like like, yeah, it's crazy the way it stood up.
And when I explained it yesterday, I didn't explain it
right either. I said it took two steps across the road.
These steps were kind of like a leaping a leaping,
gliding step. It's kind of hard to explain. Now. It
wasn't floating, it wasn't paranormal like, but it was. It
was so graceful and effortless. That's how it made it
look like. The body mechanics of it, the way it
was able to just take those two steps, and the
way it stood up. Yeah, it stood up all the way,
but it's still when it was stood up to me,
it was still kind of hunched over a little bit
the top of the shoulders, and I could I only
seen the left arm and the left hand. My uncle
said he saw both arms. Maybe because I was sitting
in the passenger seat. He was in the driver's seat.
The angle I had, I maybe couldn't see the other
arm and the way it swung when and plus I
was looking at the feet and the head and the ears,
and but when it stood up, that's when the ears
went up. The ears went up straight, and I could
see like the tufts like on a linx, like they
say a link, you know, links has those little pieces
of fur up there. I could also see this before
it stood up too tight. I could see its kind
of ears moving around like it was trying to pick
up noise or hone in on something. Sometimes a dogg
will hear a noise and you'll see its ears kind
of twitch around like where that come from. It was
kind of like a radar. It was looked like it
was doing, you know. But when it stood up like that,
its ears definitely moved left and right and not. It
wasn't even like uh at the same time. It was
like one kind of went left, one kind of went right,
one kind of like went upward and backward, and the
other one is kind of like tilting forward and left
and just a couple of funny things. And then it
took those that other step, and like I said it,
the way the way it took those steps was just
it was effortless. It was just a gliding. It didn't
even try to jump or run. It's just two effortless.
I don't even really even know how to explain it,
because it kind of almost you would say it looked floating,
but it wasn't. It just like kind of like stepped
with its leg, but as it stepped, it kind of
like swung it along the ground, and it almost looked
like one leg was floating. And then it touched and
then the other leg was kind of like flung out
and dragged and stepped. But then it got to the
the left side of the road and had got into
the woods. That's when when it stood up and I
seen that and the glowing eyes. And it was after
the glowing eyes I said to my uncle, that's a werewolf,
because that's all I could think of, you know, I'm like,
that's a were wolf. And he's like, no, that's not
a were wolf. And know, I'm like, that is a werewolf,
and he was actually said something like, that's somebody in
a costume. Nobody is out here in the middle of
nowhere at night in a costume. He's like, I know,
I know. I'm just trying to.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: We're just kind of debating back and forth, like what
the heck is it. We got to go see what
that is. I'm not getting out of this car, he said,
I'm not getting out of it either, But we got
to go up there and look, you know. And we
were planning on doing that anyway, because for a second
we said, well before them, before we even seen the
dog man come out, we said, well, when we get
up there, we're gonna look at those tracks. And we
were gonna throw a soda can out on the side
of the road even if we didn't see nothing, and
look at it in the morning the next day after
we were done hunting, to see if we could see
those mountain lion tracks. Right, that was our plan. Well,
after seeing the dog man, we're not throwing it out.
We're not getting out, you know. We kind of marked
it and got up to there, and we drove over.
We looked into the woods. We didn't see anything. We
couldn't see any tracks. There was a lot of leaves
on the ground, and it was kind of a colder
night too, I believe, and you really couldn't see much.
And I don't even know if the mountain lion and
left any tracks from the side of the road where
it's grassy and like berries, and I don't know if
it would even dig in well it left across, I
don't know. Their paws are pretty soft. But I was thinking, well,
the dog man, there's no way he's got to leave something.
But when he had stepped on the road, I literally
think the first step he took with his leg landed
in the middle of the road, so there's like a
six foot stride, so if the road's twelve to fifteen
feet and he was on the edge of the road
when he took the first step, he is in the
middle of the road. Well, these roads aren't all sand.
They're actually sand where the tires are, where the tires go,
but in the middle it's all grass because people don't
drive back there that much, so then you got grass
and whatever. And sometimes in the middle of the roads
there's wild strawberries that grow just in that little area patch.
So the car's driving, you know, in the tire tracks,
but underneath the car in the middle of the road
there's wild strawberries that grow. Sometimes not in November, I'm sure,
but but that's what I thought. I'm like, well, it
should have left something. And then I thought, at the
next step it took before it got into the woods,
there's got to be some steps there. But we couldn't
see anything. It was dark, I mean not dark dark,
but when we got up to the spot, our brights
are shining forward. We're kind of past the point of
where we've seen it. So we kind of stopped with
the headlights and the bumper just passed where it crossed.
So it's tire. The tires were probably in line where
we thought it crossed. I'm looking out my window. I'm like,
I don't see anything. He's looking out his window, he
don't see anything. Then we're both telling everybody, like, you know,
we can't go back telling people we saw a dog
man and no one's even gonna believe. We see it
in a mountain lion. And they're just going to laugh
at us, because every deer season somebody gets picked on.
They just do. Like. We also have a rule. It's
called shirttails if you miss a deer. If you shoot
and you miss a deer, we cut a piece of
your shirttail off. So the shirt you're wearing at camp
gets a little piece cut off it, you know, so
everybody gets weird stories or you know, we've had all
kinds of crazy things happen for a deer season that
people just do. You know, it's shooting a deer and
find one drop of blood and they don't get it, well,
you missed, that's a shirttail. So we're sitting there thinking,
I mean, well, we're going to have to tell them
we saw the mountain lion. We have to because that
thing's going to be out here. Hunting, and I have
a couple family members that are not in the greatest
shape at the time. Like one of my aunts is,
you know, kind of overweight. She doesn't go very far
from the car, and she has foster kids that she
takes out hunting because she was you know, she was
growing up in that way with our family too, like
take a good kid hunting, teach them some responsibility, teach
them safety things like that. You know, I think keeping
guns away from kids, no, you can't, you can't touch it,
you know, creates a you know, it's just like, don't
ever do that, And well it makes you want to
do it because the parents said, why can't you do it?
You know, but if you teach them a safe way,
well anyway, that's why I'm sitting there thinking, we got
to tell them we saw a mountain lion. And he's like, yeah,
we'll do that, but they're not going to believe it.
And my cousin Dennis had like abum knee and he's
twenty some years in the National Guard, and I'm just
it's like my grandma. I wasn't worried about her because
she's been hunting her whole life and she shot antelope
and mule deer and white tail and wild boars. And
she shot almost all animals except over in Africa. But
and she didn't even she was she didn't even hunt
over in that area. She was hunting on the opposite end.
And just I thought about some of the kids. Though.
Some of these foster kids are only twelve, the sixteen,
you know, So I'm like, oh, they could be out there,
and who knows, you know, she she don't think there's
a mountain lying around. Yeah, go ahead and take a pee,
but make it fast, and you never know. I mean,
they could snatch up a kid. One of her kids
that she had up was very small. She was only
like twelve years old and eighty pounds, a very small
girl that she had that she took out hunting. So
we're just trying to sit there and debate on who
we're gonna tell and how we're gonna tell them. And
then now we're gonna get in trouble for going back
there and maybe scaring deer the day before deer season,
and you know, they don't really like us doing that,
and that I was against it and got it d
da da, And then we're then and then we're sitting
there thinking about, well, we got a hunt here tomorrow too,
what if this thing is still around? That's what I
was telling my uncle Tony. And he's like, well, I
don't know, man, there's gonna be like twenty of us
back here, and there's at least another dozen people that
come up from Illinois, and I mean all these guns
going off. He's like, that thing's not going to be around,
or that mountain lion, it's long gone. And I'm like, yeah,
I hope. So I mean start killing deer and there's
gut piles laying around, it might it might stick around. Yeah,
I wasn't thinking of that. You know, maybe it'll come
back at night, you know, and some of us come
hunting at you know. I always like to get in
the woods before the sun comes up. I go in
with a flashlight all the time, and even now I will,
but I'm usually with somebody if I do that. So
it was just crazy just trying to go through. They're
not gonna believe we saw a mountain lion. There's no
way we can even tell them we saw. I called
it a werewolf because ninety five I don't think there
was We knew about a dog man or anything like
I was saying to Vic. I told him I believed
in Sasquatch. I saw the video when I was a
little kid. And my uncle Herman, He's he was a
guy that like would go out and just camp in
the Wasatch Mountains for like a whole month just to
say he did it. He did a lot of crazy things.
And he told me he saw a couple sasquatch before
they even came into his camp and stuff like that. Well,
he was one of the first I told before I
told my grandma. I told my grandma, like I think
it was. I think it was a year or two later,
or I might have told her after your season about
the dog band thing too, but I'm not positive. I
did tell my uncle Hermit no, and he told me,
He's like, you can't. You can't go around telling people
that they're gonna think you're nuts like me. And I'm
just like laughing, and I'm like, well whatever. So me
and my uncle Tony we finally decide, well, we're gonna
tell him that we saw mom and we have to
because we saw it. There's no ifsands or butts, you know.
And I was concerned a lot about the other one
because mountain lions I know about. I know that they
liked the stock up on, you know, things smaller than
them and snatch them up and run off. And they're
pretty silent and things like that, and or they could
sit up in a tree and pounce down on you.
But I don't know about a werewolf for a dog man,
or how it hunts or what it does. So that
was concerning for me too. So when we did get
back and came inside and I told my aunt or
I told, we told everybody were like where were you guys? Well,
we went to get some land Jaeger's and beef jerky
and some beer for after hunting tomorrow. And we went
over by the hunting property over by Boublas. My Grandma's like,
what he's supposed to go in there? And well, yeah,
we only took one lap around. We only went like
ten or fifteen miles an hour. But we got to
tell you, you know, when we saw them outlining blah
blah blah, They're just like, you guys are so full
of crap. It's like, no, we really did. I swear,
you know, mynt Tony's like, I swear to God, I
swear to God, we did. And my cousin Ray, he
was in Vietnam. He took three tours of Vietnam. He
wasn't really scared of anything. He kept signing up to
go back and he just I don't know, I can't
believe he made it through one tour and then he
went two more tours. But he wasn't scared of it.
He's like, well, you know, if you're scared of them,
you know, then they're gonna come after you. If you're
not scared of them, and you want to look bigger
than them and just don't put your in a sofa situation.
He's trying to say, well, there hasn't been a mountain
lion sighting in Wisconsin since way back in the eighteen
hundreds or something like that. He was saying, we saw them,
and he sure it wasn't a no, I said, links
and bobcats don't have four or five foot tails. You know.
It was like the same mountain lions almost looked the
same color as a deer. They got the same brownish
tan color or whatever. Yeah, they just they didn't want
to believe it. Well, there was a few jokes going
on to my aunt. My aunt was saying, well, I'm
not going to go out of fire in the woods anyway.
I'm just gonna sit over here by the road. And
that's when I said, well, that's kind of where I
saw it, where this is where we've seen it cross
right here. And I really didn't want to feel comfortable
with her sitting there, you know, watching the road. But
nothing happened. Nobody ever seen it again. We didn't see
it again. I never got any kind of fear out
of it, like some people say, and I attribute that
to I was in the car, the windows were up,
they were locked. I felt pretty safe. Yeah. I didn't
have a gun, but I had a knife, I had
a flashlight. My uncle Tony was with me. I felt
like if something like tried to get us, he'd be
able to you know, outrun it or run it over
or whatever, and we'd be able to get away. I
didn't get that fear, but I did get the wow
factor when it looked our way out of the corner
of its eyes and they just I've never seen anything
shine yellow like not glow, well, yeah, glowing and shining.
It was almost like it had many lights inside its eyes,
like it was crazy. That wowed me. I was like speechless,
and then the ears came up and it stood up,
and it went from being just a wolf to something that, hey, man,
these ain't real, you know. The only thing next to
sea is you know, a vampire trying to get us
or something. It's just crazy that we see a mountain
lion and then within a minute a dog man or
a werewolf. That's like I said, that's what I call.
My uncle Tony called it a werewolf too. He didn't
know what it was, but every year after that, before
deer season, we would talk about it, like if we
see that thing and blah blah blah. And something I
forgot to tell Vic yesterday was after that incident happened.
My uncle Tony always hunted with a thirty thirty Winchester. Well,
I have a three hundred weather be mag that my
grandpa left me when he died. It was one of
the older models, a really nice one, the Mark five
action with the rosewood tips on it and got it
out really really nice gun. A three hundred weather be
mag would a scope and all that. He switched from
the thirty thirty to the three hundred weather Be opening
morning because he said, if I see it I want
to have some extra firepower to knock it down, you know.
And I use the two seventy Winchester, which I know
is enough to take anything. I mean, I've shot deer
four hundred and fifty five hundred yards with it and
dropped them right there. So plus I handload my own AMMO,
and I even handloaded for the weather Be. I handloaded
for the thirty thirty. But yeah, it was that was
just something that I forgot to tell Vic yesterday about.
My uncle Tony was definitely concerned about that, and he's like, hey,
can I use the Can I use your three hundred
weather Be? And that that gun was like, it's sentimental
to me, very sentimental. And it was made in like
I believe late fifties or early sixties when Roy Weatherby
first started making them, so it only had a four
digit serial number. I was kind of apprehensive. I don't
want I'm scratching in or falling. No, No, I won't,
I won't. Yeah, okay, fine, Yeah, I let him hunt
with it just because of that, and I was I
was definitely more aware when I was out there, but
it really didn't affect my hunting. And another thing that's
strange is I saw twenty three deer opening day, not
one buck. I had twenty three deer come out some
of them, so there was actually a herd of like
six of them. All those they stood within fifty yards
of me watching another hunter that was going into his standard,
walking into the woods, and they didn't even see me,
and I had them each one. I'm lying up looking
at him in my scope. Yeah, oh boy, I'd like
to take you who you're fat one. And there was
probably like seven people that had a Hunter's Choice that
year in our party, but nobody wanted their deer shot
for him. Opening weekend. They said no, no, no, we
want to shoot our own. I was like, well, you
guys are going to be eating tag soup then, because
it gets harder to see deer after O weekend. Opening weekend,
they don't know what to do. They're running everywhere because
they're getting shot at, and then they finally find sanctuary
to hide and that's what they do. And yeah, it's
gonna get harder to get one. And yeah, twenty three
to year opening day. Fortunately me and my uncle Tony
though we did. Everybody went home on Sunday night and
came back up after Thanksgiving, me and my uncle Tony
and my grandma stayed up the whole week, the whole
nine days, and my grandma shot a doe. We were
Me and my uncle Tony did a small drive on
by our property and did the small drive. My grandma
got a doe, my uncle Tony shot a doe. And
then on Thanksgiving Day, me and my uncle Tony went
back on the neighbor's property behind us, who owns eighty
acres and mountcle Tony said, well, I'm gonna walk all
around bow across dead Horse Creek, and then I'm gonna
sneak back see if I can push something to you.
Two hours go by and I don't see him. I'm like,
what the heck's going on? There's a long drive. Well,
all of a sudden, I hear a shot go off,
and I see out of the corner of my eye
a white flag and it's a deer. It's a deer coming.
It's running toward me from far away, I mean, way
across this eighty acres of oak, and I was up
in a big tree stand that I kind of just
comming deer for that day. I did have permission to
hunt back there. He wasn't back there, the owner, but
this deer came running toward me and it stopped and
it was looking around, and all of a sudden, a
shot goes off. Uncle Tony shot at it, and the
deer just runs about within one hundred yards of me,
and I shoot and I drop it, and he was like,
but he was yelling, it's coming your way, It's coming
your way, and this deer was just running. Man. That
thing was really out of breath by the time it
got to me, and it was a five point fuck
and my grandma was back making Thanksgiving dinner that day.
But yeah, so we got three deer that year. That
was like one of our worst years. And I me
and my uncle Tony, we attributed that to that dog
man wolf where wolf Mountain lion thing is like just
bad luck because we never shot that few of deer
in a season out of usually is seventeen to twenty
five people hunting, and I think that year we had
twenty people, twenty one people, and we only got four deer.
Usually we get at least half ten, you know, twelve
thirteen deer, and we only got that the whole season,
so it was like and we didn't even shoot any
deer over there. And that's the first year before or
since that we've seen that sighting of that thing. Years
after that, no problem. We've got lots of deer in there,
but that year, Nope, didn't get anything. So I mean
that's that's pretty much what happened.
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What's the understory that woods?
Speaker 2: Like? The understory?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Is there a lot of brush or is it
pretty open?
Speaker 2: Well? I said, it has oak rolling ridges with big
oak trees with rolling ridges in there. It has spots
where it's dogwood and tamarack. I don't know what you
if you know what that is, it's uh, they kind
of look like birch trees. They're white, but they really
don't get much bigger around than your wrist or your forearm,
and they're really close together, you know, they're like really
close together, Like I mean, a deer can squeeze in
through it. And there's probably a section of it that's
probably well, I don't know, twenty acres of it, and
it's the area in there where it's kind of swampy
or pete mossy like on the other end of it,
there's like a lot of pine trees and stuff, and
then there's a few open areas, you know, but it's
the perfect place to hunt, like I said, with the
stream that runs through there too, they got water. And
then on the on the end of it by Reese's Field,
which is would have been behind us when we were
going down the road. Reese's Field. That guy he planted
corn there every year and they lived in Chicago and
they only came up opening weekend, so the would have
corn and just acorns galore too. I mean, you wouldn't
believe how many acorns would be all over that place
that these deer were eating. So it's sure to see
twenty three deer opening morning, I was just astounded. I
never seen that many deer, but it's like I didn't
see any books. I've never seen twenty three deer before,
so it was kind of like a blessing and a
curse all at once. I could have shot almost every
single one of them, but everyone's like no. I was like,
I saw so when I took my break and I
went back for hot chocolate and coffee and something like that,
I went back to the car at well, I don't know,
ten o'clock or something, and I'm like, yeah, I saw
like eight deer already. Why don't you shoot it? Well,
nobody wants to. They said they didn't want the tag
filled yet, and they're like, oh, well, yeah, that's true.
You know it is opening weekend, it's early. I'm like, well,
that's what I said. You guys are going to be
eating tag soup, and when you're gonna be crying that,
you know you should have me shoot it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that they would be. And yet you did mention
that the woods had all those small trees and that brush,
but you never did say how denseil was. So that's
why I didn't know. Did the dog Man come out
of the woods at the exact same spot where the
Mountain Lion did, or a little bit different of a
place it did?
Speaker 2: Come out at the from what we could tell. When
we went back the next day we measured it up.
We couldn't see any tracks. We couldn't see nothing because
we didn't go there like when light was up. We
actually went to our hunting spots, to our stands. Even
though I wanted to look at that and check it out,
I just felt like, well, there's not a lot of
people driving down the road. We only seem like maybe
uh two vehicles maybe that day, and they didn't even
go so if they would have crossed the tracks, they
didn't go back that way out, so they went across
it once and then they can actually turn into their property.
They were probably from over there. And then another one
turned over by seven point corners and then went out
that way toward Mike Boubla's property, which is the way
out of the property. But me and my uncle Tony
around the afternoon after we sat and I saw a
deer and I was like, man, and I told him too,
and he saw a bunch of dose too, And he
didn't have a tag. I didn't have a tag and
all that. That was the year too that he was
getting married and he didn't have a lot of money.
And I actually paid for his hunting license, which was
one hundred dollars, so out of state was like one
hundred bucks. And he's like, well, I really can't come
down unless you're gonna pay for my I was like, yeah,
I got you, man, I got you. So yeah, we
went back and we looked and looked and looked, and
we couldn't see nothing. And like I said, the ground
was really hard too. It was, Yeah, it is sand,
but it's like hard sands, it's not kind of like
we got a few spots around. Maybe just down the
road from me, there's another part that the DNR owns,
and this is probably like maybe fifteen hundred acres. It's
probably twice as big as this place. But they've already
clear cut it twice, and they planted like pine trees
in rows, but they did leave some bigger oaks so
to kind of leave it like an old growth forest.
But the place we hunted at was old growth forests.
This place probably wasn't clear cut for eighty or one
hundred years or something like that, you know, so it
had a lot. It was like, this is the best
hunting ever.
Speaker 1: Sounds like a nice woods. I saw that dog man
how long did it take you to start thinking about
all the time you'd spent in those woods without even
knowing what could have been out.
Speaker 2: There Opening Day? That night, when I got back home,
it was pretty hard to sleep because I was thinking
about the next day. I mean, in the early eighties,
we all sat, you know. My grandma basically taught me
to sit on a stump or a log or something
like that. We didn't really have deer stands in the eighties.
They did for bow hunting, but not for rifle hunters.
Nineties came along, everybody started stand hunting. I was one
of the first to stand hunt, so in ninety five
I was in a stand. A lot of my other
party members didn't hunt and stand yet, so I felt
pretty safe being in the stand. And my stand was
like eighteen feet I mean, I like, I said, that's
probably not too high up for a werewolf, dog man
to get me or a mount lion. But usually I
hunt in an area where I can see pretty good
because I like to shoot more of a distance. So yeah,
that Opening day, I was just man, you know, thinking, well,
if it comes up on me, what am I gonna do?
You know? And yeah, it's just now I know a
little more about it, but back then it was very
It was. It was just concerning. That's why I told
you I was worried about other family members, like where
they were sitting. And you know, not only the Mountain Lion,
it was that dog man. Because I don't know anything
about it. They don't tell you. Well, in my greats
tier every year, and you know, it has these many
pups and they weigh such and such, and you know
they like the taste of people. I don't know, you know,
So yeah, not knowing that it was the biggest thing
in my mind, not knowing do they want to get you?
Could they snatch you up and run away and nobody
see you again? From what I seen, like I said,
with them legs on it, it had legs like a
running back like I don't know, not like an Emmitt Smith,
but like a Terrelle Davis. I mean, big, huge, muscular,
just cut legs. I could see the definition and the
tone and the ripples in it, even in the shoulder,
in the arm. You know, I probably didn't state that before.
But and then the fur from the neck that came
down was like a smoky grit. Well, yeah, it was
like a black, all black until it got down to
the waist and then marked towards the feet. I could
see like a gray or a silver white. Even when
certain people get gray hairs, they get white hairs instead,
kind of like that. But it was a salt and
pepper but it was mostly all black, like they say,
it's like charcoal black that it blends in with the
It was almost looked like a shadow like you know,
like like they would say paranormal, but I could tell
it wasn't paranormal. I could see it breathe. I could
see it take a breath too, when you know, it
stood up and stepped across the road and just all that.
I mean, I didn't see big teeth or a yawn
or a grin or nothing, because we were pretty far
down the road. I'm sure our lights, I would think
our lights were blinding it. It didn't know, And we
were in a little Geometro three cylinder car that doesn't
make a lot of noise and gets super gas mileage,
so it's not very loud, so you can't even really
hear it running. I'm like existing running, you know, so
I mean, I'm sure we have better hearing, but yeah,
it was I don't know, just yeah, I definitely thought
about it, and me and my uncle Tony, we talked
about it every year. That's why we're like, man, we
should go hunt that thing one day. And you know,
it wasn't until like year two thousand. I think it
was about that two thousand and two thousand and one
that I actually might have been ninety nine. Yeah, when
I had a computer. I got my own computer, and
I was looking it up and doing research on it.
That's when I was saying that I'm like, we should
go hunt that thing, and then if we get one,
you know, we could turn it in and prove to
everybody they do exist and then make sure not everybody's
out there killing them or blah blah blah. Maybe they
could study it or Yeah. Another story I had too
is it's kind of funny, is when I was a kid,
I got to be plus on it. My teacher said
she wanted us to write a story on what we
want to be when we grow up. Well, I wrote
down that I was gonna get a sasquatch, turn it
in and I would be rich off it, you know,
and go on the news and all that donated to
the museum. And she gave me credit for originality and stuff,
but she said I should probably shoot for something more realistic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd say so. Well, I tell you what, Bruno,
We're about out of time. But before we get out
of here, do you haveney clothes and comments you want
to put out there for us?
Speaker 2: No, just that you know, I I came on here
because not that I was traumatized from it. And again
I may have been if I was in a different situation,
if I was outside the car, or sitting in the
woods all by myself like some of these people, or
taking my dog out to go to the bathroom, and
you see it, especially unarmed, I would feel Yeah, I
don't know, but I mean I saw it way longer
than I saw the mountain lion, right, And I know
for a fact I saw a mountain lion, so I
had to have seen a dog man. And my uncle
was with me, and I wish he was still alive
he died in twenty fourteen, because he would have told
you the same story that just about to the tee,
the exact same because you know, I mean we both
described it the same way. He saw a few other
things details that I didn't see, like he saw the
right arm. He saw a couple other things I can't
remember off hand, but that he noticed that I didn't,
and of how big it was. That's why he switched
to a different gun. And that's why I'm on here
to let people know that I've told so with you,
it's you're the eighth person I've ever told this story too,
since nineteen ninety five, And the only other people I
told were really close friends, So I never really got
drunk at a party and like, hey, why aren't tell
you a story? Where old? But I saw no. I mean,
the only people I ever told were like, really really
close friends, and I know they believed the cougar the
mountain lion, and they did. A couple of them did
tell me they believe me. They believed I saw it,
but a couple of them was like, I don't know, man,
I don't know. But it's just that I feel like
people should know what I saw exist and if it
was an apparition that looked like it was flesh and blood,
I don't know. I don't know what they are or
I've never seen one since. I mean, there's so much
unexplained that you just don't know. We don't have one,
so we can't tell, but I know I saw it.
You know, I've never seen a ghost, but I've seen this,
and I've seen a mountain lion, and I've seen a moose,
and i've seen an elk. You know, I'm seeing black beers,
grizzly bears, porcupines, all that stuff. And I just want
people to know that it is real. It's it's as
real as you and me and me. And you had
that talk too, and I said, well, you know, I
think if I ever went out to try to hunt
one or catch one or shoot it or whatever, and
you're like, well, when they don't want to be seen,
they don't want to be seen, And yeah, that may
be true, but you know, I think if it is
flesh and blood and it does bleed, you can kill it,
but you know, you got to hit it in the
right spot. And I think some of these people that say,
well I shot it, I know I hit it. I
know there's people that say they shot a deer, but
we never found any blood. We never found a deer.
And you got to remember, too, you're gonna shoot it
something that doesn't exist. So if you don't believe it exists,
how can you believe you can shoot it. You have
to accept that it exists before you're gonna be able
to hit it. That's my thoughts. I don't know, that's
just if you don't believe it's real. I don't know
if you're gonna believe you're gonna be able to hit
it or believe you're gonna be able to kill it.
I think you have to believe that it is real,
and you need to take the extra steps, you know,
just like they tell you, you know, take the safety off,
take a nice breath, let it out, you know, don't
jerk the trigger, don't yank the trigger. I've seen people
shoot at a ten point buck one time with an
m one car being and they had buck fever and
they emptied all fifteen rounds out of the clip because
there's a rear peep site and a front blade site.
They looked over the front peep site and just looked
at the front post and emptied their clip. So nerves happen, man,
and something like that. I could see it definitely happen.
If you didn't find blood. I just if they can
bleed and they can die and they are flesh and blood.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you see something like that. It does make it
that much more difficult to get an accurate shot on.
Speaker 2: That's why I thought about that a lot too. I thought,
if I was in the woods, I talk a big game,
you know, would I be able to pull off keeping
us steady? You know? That's my grandma taught me though.
She's like, you don't look at the horns. You see
a big buck out there, you aim your shot, you
put it in there. You go for the right and
the boilers and the lungs or in the heart. You
go through your steps, you take your shot, and then
when you're done hitting it, then you can do you're
celebrating or look at the horns or your trophy or whatever.
That's just a bonus. But you want to make a
good shot, and that's you got to be the bullet,
I guess, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Well, easier said than done when you're shooting at some
like that. But Bruno, I can't thank you enough for
coming on to share the details of that experience with us.
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope it makes somebody be more aware and
cautious when they go out. I don't know, with these
missing four one to one things and or not even that,
but just people going missing or getting lost. You know,
carry a compass, carry a sidearm, or have somebody with you,
carry a side arm, some kind of protection. You know,
be prepared. The mother nature is not something to mess
around with. And when you're out there, then you're susceptible
to father time and he doesn't play either. So I
don't know. I just feel like it's not like you're
not at a grocery store. You're not at your house.
You can't just call nine one one. You might not
get a signal on your phone, or so many things
could happen. You could cut your leg open and bleed
to death before anybody gets to you, not even just
a dog man. I don't know. I'm just saying, be more,
be more vigilant, pay attention more when you're out there.
I wish I would have paid attention more for some
other times too, because some other strange things happened that
I kind of just wrote off, and I'm like, I
wonder if that was maybe something, But you know, you
don't know now because you didn't pay attention to those
signs before.
Speaker 1: So well, you can't be faulted for that. I mean,
we've all done, things like that where we should have
turned left when we turned right, so don't be too
hard on yourself. But having said that, thanks again so
much for your time Bruno, and have a great night.