Speaker 1: This night side with Dan Ray on WBZ Causton's video.
Speaker 2: All right, thanks very much, Dan Watkins. As we move
Speaker 2: into the talk portion of our program during the eight
Speaker 2: o'clock hour, it's primarily informational again. Tonight we talked about
Speaker 2: a variety of issues, the upcoming two hundred and fiftieth
Speaker 2: anniversary of everything that led up to the American Revolution
Speaker 2: with Chris van Buskirk of the Boston Herald, talk with
Speaker 2: author John Allen about coping with grief, talk with Amy
Speaker 2: Laramie about the twenty twenty four Big Killington Cup competition
Speaker 2: at the Stiefel Killington Cup. And we also talked about
Speaker 2: with Dana Gerber the Boston Globe about who's leaving Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: There is an outflow of people leaving in particularly young people,
Speaker 2: which we need to be concerned about. But those are
Speaker 2: all informational, meaning you could not participate in the conversation.
Speaker 2: Now as we move to other topics and other issues,
Speaker 2: you have a chance to join the conversation, whatever your
Speaker 2: point of view. So there was a horrific tragedy last Thursday.
Speaker 2: I talked about it Monday night. I think that many
Speaker 2: of you now know about it. A young man who,
Speaker 2: by all accounts an outstanding young man. Enrique Delgado Garcia.
Speaker 2: He was in the training program to become a member
Speaker 2: of the Massachusetts State Police. Now the training program for
Speaker 2: this class, and I think it's the ninetieth class. Every
Speaker 2: class they give a sequential number two. I think my
Speaker 2: brother was in the they call the fighting fifty fourth
Speaker 2: or something, many many years ago. The ninetieth class began
Speaker 2: in April, and as one might expect, they you get
Speaker 2: put through the ringer. Okay, I mean it's I hate
Speaker 2: to put it like that, but you want to become
Speaker 2: a state police officer. They want the best. They want
Speaker 2: people who are disciplined, who can control themselves, who can
Speaker 2: handle any situation they might have to deal with out
Speaker 2: in the roads late at night. So it's not a
Speaker 2: job that the faint of heart are going to apply for.
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, let's be honest. Okay, you
Speaker 2: want people, many of whom are they can handle themselves. Okay,
Speaker 2: they need to be able to handle themselves. If they
Speaker 2: stop someone on the mass Turnpike at two o'clock in
Speaker 2: the morning and the person is not cooperative, that trooper
Speaker 2: is not going to say, okay, you don't want to
Speaker 2: show me a license. I'm sorry to have bothered you one.
Speaker 2: As you go on your way, and if you want
Speaker 2: to speed, I'll just kind of look up. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: that's not what state police or any police officer is
Speaker 2: supposed to be prepared to do. And of course, of course,
Speaker 2: as I'm sure you would expect, they have to do
Speaker 2: some training. They've got to do some physical training, they
Speaker 2: have to do some mental training, they have to they
Speaker 2: have to be toughened up.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: And they have to you know, not just be tough,
Speaker 2: but they also have to be judged. They have to
Speaker 2: have good judgment. They have to know when it is
Speaker 2: time to to impose themselves on someone and say I
Speaker 2: told you to get out of the car, it's not
Speaker 2: time to get out of the car, or I'm going
Speaker 2: to call my my colleagues. So essentially, essentially all we're
Speaker 2: what we're talking about here is how someone becomes a
Speaker 2: police officer and for and there's a lot of state
Speaker 2: police who listen to my program. Look, it's it's not
Speaker 2: an easy course. They just like in the military, Uh,
Speaker 2: they they want to break you of your individuality. It's
Speaker 2: one of the reasons why when you go in the military,
Speaker 2: the first thing they do is cut your hair, those
Speaker 2: beautiful locks that so and anyone's been in the military
Speaker 2: understands it, okay, And they also they're not going to
Speaker 2: say to you, oh no, you know, you don't really
Speaker 2: need to worry about taking your your weapon apart. Now,
Speaker 2: that's that's for other people to worry about. Now, of course,
Speaker 2: you need to do that, and you have to do
Speaker 2: it in a certain period of time, and you've got
Speaker 2: to be able to make your bed and all all
Speaker 2: the things that you folks know about it. Well, the
Speaker 2: State Police is as tough as and probably tougher, because
Speaker 2: they they want the best and not only the toughest,
Speaker 2: but the fairest. Now, they've had their problems, okay in
Speaker 2: recent years, all right, So that's we're not going to
Speaker 2: deny that there's been a number of State Police officers
Speaker 2: who have gotten into all sorts of trouble. However, However,
Speaker 2: this young man, Enrique Delgado Garcia, from everything that I
Speaker 2: have watched, including a District Attorney Joe Early's news conference,
Speaker 2: I believe it was on Saturday, after this young man
Speaker 2: had passed, he sounded like the perfect request for the
Speaker 2: State police. He had worked in the District Attorney's office
Speaker 2: in Worcester County under the leadership of Joe Early. He
Speaker 2: had been a victim's advocate, so he understood why police
Speaker 2: work is important for every community in Massachusetts, not only
Speaker 2: the wealthy neighborhoods, but the poorer neighborhoods as well, where
Speaker 2: there's probably more criminality and you know, street crime, if
Speaker 2: you will, than in some of the communities in Massachusetts
Speaker 2: which are are are perhaps you know, blessed a little
Speaker 2: bit more blessed economically. Well, something happened, something happened last
Speaker 2: Thursday afternoon. What we we haven't been told anything officially.
Speaker 2: We've been told that there was some sort of program,
Speaker 2: an exercise program, in which this twenty five year old
Speaker 2: young man from Worcester died because he suffered critical injuries
Speaker 2: in a boxing exercise and he was rushed to the
Speaker 2: hospital at UMass Memorial Memorial Medical Center in Worcester, and
Speaker 2: he survived, and they actually had a ceremony Friday night
Speaker 2: while he was surrounded by his family and some of
Speaker 2: his friends and some of his classmates, and the oath
Speaker 2: of office was administered to him. He was given a
Speaker 2: trooper badge, and then he passed and he was body
Speaker 2: was taken to the Medical Examiner's office out in Westfield
Speaker 2: with a State Police escort. Now, the only statement that
Speaker 2: I have seen is that it said he died Friday
Speaker 2: after he became unresponsive. He became unresponsive during a defensive
Speaker 2: tactics training exercise at the Massachusetts State Police Academy in
Speaker 2: New Braintree on Thursday afternoon. That's what State Police said.
Speaker 2: So at this time last week, this young man was
Speaker 2: in probably peak physical condition after having undergone whatever number
Speaker 2: of weeks. They've been there since April. So April, some
Speaker 2: part of April, I don't know how long, but May, June, July, August.
Speaker 2: That's sixteen weeks right there, and at least one week
Speaker 2: two weeks into September. The class was going to graduate
Speaker 2: on October ninth at the DCU Center. These young men
Speaker 2: and women are just finishing up their training. Well, something
Speaker 2: horrible happened, and so far we've received little specificity. Now,
Speaker 2: the Boston Globe and an article that to me is
Speaker 2: the best article that's been written so far by a
Speaker 2: fellow named Nick Stoiko of the Globe staff wrote that
Speaker 2: several news outlets have reported that Delgatto Garcia was covered
Speaker 2: in bruises and missing tea after the boxing exercise. He
Speaker 2: suffered a broken neck and a brain injury, and was
Speaker 2: placed on life support at the hospital. According to NBC
Speaker 2: ten Boston and CBS Boston, you do not suffer those
Speaker 2: injuries in a normal boxing competition, okay. The state police
Speaker 2: spokesperson said he could not confirm the details about Delgado
Speaker 2: Garcia's injuries. I wonder why well the medical care he received,
Speaker 2: citing privacy laws. Recruits wear boxing gloves, oversized boxing gloves,
Speaker 2: which are because they're oversized, they do not hit with
Speaker 2: the impact that a regular boxing glove would hit with headgear,
Speaker 2: which of course is protective and protective athletic cup during
Speaker 2: the so called exercise. So the bottom line is the
Speaker 2: governor has said she's committed, that she mourns his laws,
Speaker 2: saying that he had committed himself to a career of
Speaker 2: protecting the people of Massachusetts. The governor said she was
Speaker 2: heartbroken by his death. So who was there to protect
Speaker 2: en Rique? And how could have he suffered injuries of
Speaker 2: that consequence? Those are the questions I want answered. I
Speaker 2: have a lot of friends on the State Police have
Speaker 2: had relatives of the State Police. It's a great institution.
Speaker 2: It protects all of us here in Massachusetts. But who
Speaker 2: was there to protect Enrique is my question. On Monday,
Speaker 2: I said, And by the way, the District Attorney, Joe
Speaker 2: Early out in Worcester, said that, in his opinion, his
Speaker 2: office was conflicted because this young man worked in his
Speaker 2: office as a victim's advocate. And Early went on to say, normally,
Speaker 2: in a situation like this, it's passed on to another
Speaker 2: DA's office. He doesn't think that it should be us
Speaker 2: onto a DA's office. I proposed Ed Davis. I actually
Speaker 2: spoke with Ed Davis today and Ed Davis would be
Speaker 2: a perfect person to investigate this. I'll tell you who
Speaker 2: else I would suggest could be someone who would investigate this.
Speaker 2: I mentioned Willie Gross, the former police commissioner in Boston.
Speaker 2: I mentioned Dan Lynsky, who was a superintendent, Billy Evans
Speaker 2: former commissioner, his brother Paul Evans, former police commissioner in Boston. Certainly,
Speaker 2: Kathy O'Toole, who was a police superintendent here in the
Speaker 2: Boston area. She also was the she was in charge
Speaker 2: of the NBTA Police. If I'm recalling correctly. She was
Speaker 2: in charge of the police force, which is at national
Speaker 2: police force in Ireland called the GARDA. I want to
Speaker 2: add one more name, and my name is John. The
Speaker 2: name that I would like to add is John Blodgett.
Speaker 2: He's a former district attorney out of Essex County. Of
Speaker 2: twenty years, you've been the national president of the District
Speaker 2: Attorney's Association. No one has ever questioned his integrity. So
Speaker 2: there are people who can look into this, and I
Speaker 2: would certainly put John Blodgett's name into that group as well.
Speaker 2: So I'm asking who would you suggest would conduct this investigation.
Speaker 2: That's number one. Number two, why has the State Police
Speaker 2: not provided us with more information? There are a group
Speaker 2: of people who have to know what happened. They have
Speaker 2: to know what happened. There's no question that there are
Speaker 2: officials within the State Police as well as people who
Speaker 2: probably observed what happened. Now, a lot of those people
Speaker 2: probably have been told do not talk to the media, okay,
Speaker 2: because that's the way it works so often here in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: But there are people out there who know. And the
Speaker 2: longer that the Commonwealth goes without providing information, without providing
Speaker 2: the information, the more theories that will be circulated. This
Speaker 2: is Massachusetts. This is not Mississippi in the nineteen fifties. Okay,
Speaker 2: this is Massachusetts twenty twenty four. We should have already
Speaker 2: a report from the state Police. Doesn't have to be thorough,
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be complete, and autopsy has at this
Speaker 2: point been performed. They have to know the specific cause
Speaker 2: of death. In my opinion, and I know there was
Speaker 2: one gentleman who questioned me the other night and said
Speaker 2: that I was jumping at conclusions. No, I want answers.
Speaker 2: I'm a taxpayer. I pay a lot of taxes to Massachusetts,
Speaker 2: as many of you do as well. Many of you
Speaker 2: probably pay more than I do. But we are invested
Speaker 2: in the State Police of Massachusetts. We're invested in their reputation.
Speaker 2: I want leadership, I want transparency, and I want accountability. Now.
Speaker 2: They can give us an update tomorrow if they want.
Speaker 2: My question is why aren't they six one, seven, two, five,
Speaker 2: four ten thirty six one seven, nine, three one ten thirty.
Speaker 2: I will stay on this, okay, because we cannot forget
Speaker 2: the name of Enrique Delgado Garcia. It's as simple as
Speaker 2: that he died under circumstances where he never should have
Speaker 2: lost his life. I mean, if if he tripped and
Speaker 2: fell and hit his head and suffered, you know, a
Speaker 2: serious brain injury, we would know about it at this point.
Speaker 2: They would have told us. I want to know, why
Speaker 2: are they not talking to us? Why are they allowing
Speaker 2: us to be in situation where all sorts of rumors
Speaker 2: might start. Let's let's get the truth out as they
Speaker 2: know it. If they're not sure, that's fine, but they
Speaker 2: need to tell us. Was it a boxing exercise? How
Speaker 2: long was he in the ring? Was he in with
Speaker 2: someone who was over overpowered him physically? Why was the
Speaker 2: fight not stopped? All of this, all of this has
Speaker 2: to be answered, and I believe it has to be
Speaker 2: answered quickly. So I hope you'll join me as a
Speaker 2: listener to this program and convince the authorities of Massachusetts
Speaker 2: that it is in the interest of everyone in Massachusetts,
Speaker 2: but particularly the family of Enrique Delgado Garcia, for us
Speaker 2: to know as much as possible. They don't have to
Speaker 2: get into lurid details. They don't have to get into
Speaker 2: lurid details, but look, we need information. Join the conversation.
Speaker 2: My name's Dan Ray.
Speaker 1: This is Nightside Now bent to Dan ray Line from
Speaker 1: the Window World Light Side Studios on WBZ to news radio.
Speaker 2: Let's go right to the calls. We want to see
Speaker 2: what people think on this issue. I think we need
Speaker 2: more information than less agree or disagree, and sooner rather
Speaker 2: than later. Tricia in Winthrop, Tricia, welcome, you are next first,
Speaker 2: it's our nightside go on head, Trisha.
Speaker 4: Hi, Dan, I totally agree. It almost reminds me of
Speaker 4: the movie A Few Good Men with Jack Nicholson that
Speaker 4: you can't that you can't handle the truth.
Speaker 2: Yes, I handle the truth.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I truly believe it's definitely a cover up. And
Speaker 4: correct me if I'm wrong. In the news, I thought
Speaker 4: the gentleman that just has been killed reached out.
Speaker 2: To let me just say his name, because I think
Speaker 2: that's supporting Enrique Delgado Garcia go.
Speaker 4: Ahead, yeah, thank you, called out to his friends. I
Speaker 4: don't know about family, but he said it was if
Speaker 4: he could survive, that it's a big hazing situation.
Speaker 2: Well, they're not supposed to that hazing. I can tell
Speaker 2: you this. It's not a garden party. It's not Tea
Speaker 2: and crumforts.
Speaker 4: I know that. I know that, Dan, I totally agree.
Speaker 4: But and that's why I want people. I heard that
Speaker 4: he had called friends and said it was like a
Speaker 4: hazing situation. Now, I could be totally wrong, I could
Speaker 4: be mislet with the news or whatever. But but but
Speaker 4: but but honestly, you don't get a broken neck and
Speaker 4: teeth just in about like that.
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely broke a broken neck. And I know that
Speaker 2: there was some suggestion that he might have had a
Speaker 2: skull fracture. I mean, all of this they must know
Speaker 2: by now. The autopsy, I'm sure is completed, and I
Speaker 2: can understand they may want to take a couple of
Speaker 2: days to share it with the family. But but I
Speaker 2: think enough time has passed.
Speaker 4: Oh totally. And you know what, from all reports and everything,
Speaker 4: he was an amazing person, very dedicated to what he did,
Speaker 4: and he was so looking for it and he was
Speaker 4: They gave him the metal in his hospital bed.
Speaker 2: They gave his badge, they gave him.
Speaker 4: His badge whatever.
Speaker 2: Well, badge is important. Badge is important because that showed
Speaker 2: that he died as a member of the Massachusetts State Police.
Speaker 2: That may not mean a lot to some people, but
Speaker 2: I'm sure it meant a lot to him. You know,
Speaker 2: they say that you're hearing is the last of your
Speaker 2: senses to.
Speaker 5: Go so absolutely.
Speaker 4: My mother used to say, you're going to say something
Speaker 4: good or bad, don't But I don't mean to make
Speaker 4: light of it. But I believe it's a definite cover up.
Speaker 2: Well, the longer more people are going to have that opinion,
Speaker 2: and I think that it's in the state and it's
Speaker 2: in the interest of the state police, it's in the
Speaker 2: interest of the family of god Garcia. If there's something
Speaker 2: they're not sure, that's fine, but they should be able
Speaker 2: to give us information on the things of which they
Speaker 2: are sure, simple as that.
Speaker 4: And Dan, I'm gonna hang up to let other people.
Speaker 4: I have no agenda on this. I do not know
Speaker 4: the person, but it just reminds me in a few
Speaker 4: good men. You watch that movie with Jack Nicholas.
Speaker 2: Very familiar with this matter of fact. Ye look, a
Speaker 2: very close friend of mine is a lawyer who was
Speaker 2: in the cases on which that movie was built. And
Speaker 2: friend the attorney reminds me of it.
Speaker 4: Whatever we get a chance to be And you know what, Unfortunately,
Speaker 4: just like Jack Nichol, you can't handle the truth. And
Speaker 4: unfortunately in this day and age, yep, people can't handle
Speaker 4: the truth.
Speaker 2: We can handle the truth and they can they work
Speaker 2: for us. You know, we pay the salary, and that
Speaker 2: goes from the governor right on down.
Speaker 6: So let's say, yeah, thank you for taking.
Speaker 2: You bet you, thanks Trish, thank you very much. Going
Speaker 2: to take a very quick good night. Good night, Trish.
Speaker 2: The only line that is opened right now is six one,
Speaker 2: seven thirty. My intention is to change time topics at
Speaker 2: ten o'clock. So if you want to get in, get
Speaker 2: in now. Six one seven nine three one ten thirty.
Speaker 2: I got Joe, I got Gail, I got Rachel and
Speaker 2: Suzanne there they're up next and you will be behind
Speaker 2: them if you call six one seven nine three one
Speaker 2: ten thirty. We'll move people as quickly as we can
Speaker 2: so we get to as many people as possible. And
Speaker 2: I want the authorities in Massachusetts to understand that there
Speaker 2: is a desire on the part of a lot of
Speaker 2: people to find out as soon as ProAb. You know
Speaker 2: what happens is there'll be a big story tomorrow and
Speaker 2: we'll be worrying about another story, and these stories tend
Speaker 2: to be forgotten. I won't let them forget about this story.
Speaker 2: I give you my word on that, and I'm back
Speaker 2: at it tonight after having been on it on Monday night.
Speaker 2: We'll be back on Nightside right after the news at
Speaker 2: the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2: Let's go next to Joe and Belmont. Joe, welcome back.
Speaker 2: You are on Nightside, Joe.
Speaker 7: Go ahead, Dan, I want to get give you some encouragement.
Speaker 7: Great is your patriotism and positive attitude in Danzi Man.
Speaker 7: If he can't do it, no one can. Dan. I
Speaker 7: agree with you, and I back up your last call
Speaker 7: at Tricia, and I want to ask you, do you
Speaker 7: think there's a cover up.
Speaker 2: Well, it's too early to say there's a cover up.
Speaker 2: It's not too early to say that they have given
Speaker 2: us a scant information on a tragedy that looks very
Speaker 2: suspicious from the outside. I mean, this is a twenty
Speaker 2: five year old who had just gone through whatever it was,
Speaker 2: sixteen weeks of training. He probably was in the best
Speaker 2: physical condition of his life, and to have this happen
Speaker 2: to him on a Thursday afternoon under the auspice of
Speaker 2: state police training. I need answers. I want answers. I
Speaker 2: want answers as a citizen, I want answers as a
Speaker 2: human being, and I want answers as a taxpayer. I
Speaker 2: want to know what the hell happened?
Speaker 7: God bless you. Dan.
Speaker 2: That's it, Thanks Joe, I appreciate it. Sweeten to the
Speaker 2: point as always, great call. Thanks Joe, Thank you, Yi soon,
Speaker 2: good night. Let me go next. We move people a
Speaker 2: little bit here. Let me go to Rachel and Quincy. Rachel,
Speaker 2: You're next, Don Nice, I welcome.
Speaker 8: Hey Dan, how are you? And I can't tell you
Speaker 8: how much I agree with you. He went through all
Speaker 8: that training, so why put a young kid whatever? Okay,
Speaker 8: he wants to be a state trooper, maybe he doesn't
Speaker 8: want to be out on the street or whatever. But
Speaker 8: who was watching this match that he got hit that
Speaker 8: many times? It should have been stopped at the first hit.
Speaker 8: He's not a boxer. You don't have to be a
Speaker 8: gorilla to be a state trooper. Because what he did
Speaker 8: in his resume, maybe he wanted to continue that. And
Speaker 8: shame on anybody that allowed this young man to get
Speaker 8: hurt the way he was. And yes, and I agree
Speaker 8: with you.
Speaker 3: Where the answers, Yeah, I mean, look, it's different from
Speaker 3: being a civilian, a victim's advocate in the district attorney's office.
Speaker 2: It's a different proposition than being a state police trooper
Speaker 2: out on the road at two o'clock in the morning
Speaker 2: when you pull some person over who is difficult to
Speaker 2: deal with, might be drunk and might actually be potentially combative,
Speaker 2: so cruel. Clearly, these folks need to be taught a
Speaker 2: little bit how to handle themselves. And there's no but
Speaker 2: we don't expect them all to be Mike Tyson either,
Speaker 2: And that's the point.
Speaker 8: And I agree with I agree with you. But isn't
Speaker 8: that when they call in backup?
Speaker 2: Well yeah, sometimes though state police, when they're out on
Speaker 2: some of the major roads ninety five four ninety five,
Speaker 2: the mass turnpike, backup might be ten minutes or longer away.
Speaker 2: I mean, they they're out there, it's they're in what
Speaker 2: called one man or one person patrol cars. It's not
Speaker 2: as if they're they've got two troopers, which of course
Speaker 2: would be the ideal circumstances. But this guy to have
Speaker 2: suffered this extent of injuries, something was definitely wrong. Either
Speaker 2: they put him in the ring with you know, someone
Speaker 2: who who decided they were going to impress their their
Speaker 2: friends or their their classmates with their their abilities as
Speaker 2: a boxer. I don't know. Something went terribly wrong here.
Speaker 8: And okay, Dan, and that is the person that so
Speaker 8: that's the person that doesn't belong in the training class.
Speaker 8: That's the person that they should have already seen signs
Speaker 8: he should not have been what he's doing. And I
Speaker 8: get trying to protect yourself, right, Okay, teach them karate,
Speaker 8: teach him this and okay, okay, boxing doesn't matter. This
Speaker 8: is where you have, you know what, the tases whatever.
Speaker 8: This gentleman never ever should have been put through what
Speaker 8: he went through. And now maybe it's a can of
Speaker 8: worms that are opening up, you know what I mean,
Speaker 8: mister Gorilla.
Speaker 2: Yes, well, but I also blame the supervision. I mean,
Speaker 2: when you have when you're putting people in a situation
Speaker 2: where they're gonna fight one another, there has to be
Speaker 2: someone there in a supervisory capacity. So if all of
Speaker 2: a sudden someone gets hit and and you know, basically
Speaker 2: is defenseless, which can happen, you got to stop it
Speaker 2: right there. It's as simple as that, Rachel, I got
Speaker 2: pack lines, I got you on early, but I gotta
Speaker 2: let you go.
Speaker 3: Okay, thank you much, all right again, Gus Black.
Speaker 2: I made your points. You made him, Well, right back
Speaker 2: at you. Let me go too, Suzanne in New Hampshire. Susanne,
Speaker 2: you were next one night, stick go right.
Speaker 6: Ahead, Hey, Dan Harriet, thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 2: You're very welcome. What's your thought on this?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 6: This is completely completely disgusting and reprehensible. They were two
Speaker 6: weeks the way from graduating, right. They don't do this
Speaker 6: stuff at the end. They don't want them up on
Speaker 6: stage with bruce faces and lips and all that. And
Speaker 6: I don't understand, like you just said. You know, I'm
Speaker 6: not gonna say it to cover up. It's too soon.
Speaker 6: But first of all, this poor family has been treated poorly.
Speaker 6: They were brought out on stage. They didn't know they
Speaker 6: were floided. They don't speak the language. And then you know,
Speaker 6: they were two weeks away. Who was there? You know what?
Speaker 6: There were retired state troopers there. This was like a
Speaker 6: thing happening. How not one person stopped it? How do
Speaker 6: you suffer those injuries?
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, let me just say this was
Speaker 2: in I don't know that they were retired state troopers.
Speaker 2: There were instructors who would be you know, experienced.
Speaker 6: States I'll forget that part I write. But he was
Speaker 6: on life support as soon as he got to the hospital.
Speaker 6: And this has been stated by the family. I know
Speaker 6: for a fact he was on life port as soon
Speaker 6: as he got to the hospital. How does that happen? Like,
Speaker 6: I don't care if the cover apart. We need justice
Speaker 6: for this man and for his family. It's so sickening
Speaker 6: that poor mother.
Speaker 2: And in order to get justice. In order to get justice,
Speaker 2: we got to get information. And I don't want exactly,
Speaker 2: I want people not to forget Enrique Delgado Garcia. Okay,
Speaker 2: he suffered a loss of his life while in training
Speaker 2: to become a state police officer. This is not a
Speaker 2: situation where let's say, I don't know, you you read
Speaker 2: stories about how that at a at a military base, Uh,
Speaker 2: there was a an accident and someone fell off a
Speaker 2: truck or whatever. Okay, this this was a controlled setting.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this was at the hands of the old people
Speaker 6: that are supposed to be out and then gonna protect
Speaker 6: citizens and they're supposed to be camaraderie and protecting each other.
Speaker 6: I don't know, someone was on a mission. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope, I hope that is not the case.
Speaker 2: If it is the case that that person, yeah, well
Speaker 2: and The only way we're gonna be able to judge
Speaker 2: it is if we get information as quickly as possible.
Speaker 2: We don't need to wait six to get the final report.
Speaker 2: They should give us what they know. They should give
Speaker 2: us what they know tomorrow. Susan, I got pack lines.
Speaker 2: I gotta keep rolling. Thank you, I love I love
Speaker 2: your passion for justice. Thank you. Good night. Let me
Speaker 2: go to Gail and situate. Gail, you were next on night,
Speaker 2: Siger ahead, I'm gonna get you in here before the break. Gail.
Speaker 9: Hey, Dan, I got some questions. So now, is it
Speaker 9: possible to file a foyer a Freedom of Information Act
Speaker 9: with a state police to get that documentation on what happened?
Speaker 2: They could that could be filed by you know, normally
Speaker 2: that's filed by newspapers or television stations who have lawyers,
Speaker 2: you know, they have a legal staff who goes through
Speaker 2: the process of filing a foyer. And then of course
Speaker 2: they're just because they file a foyer, the state could say, well,
Speaker 2: there's sensitive information here, we have an ongoing investigation and
Speaker 2: we do not want to compromise the investigation. And then
Speaker 2: it's the the Massachusetts you know, Freedom of informat Nation Act,
Speaker 2: which which they weigh. They weighed the balance and interest.
Speaker 2: I just think it's more important I can put more
Speaker 2: pressure on the state police by doing this and having
Speaker 2: people talk and call and let them understand that there's
Speaker 2: a bunch of people out there who you've all heard,
Speaker 2: you've just heard from, who want to know what happened
Speaker 2: the family.
Speaker 9: But there's documentation made, and of course it's probably going
Speaker 9: to be redacted a bit. If you're if you yourself,
Speaker 9: I mean you're you're a lawyer and you're also in
Speaker 9: the media, you could have you could file a for
Speaker 9: you and whatever you get would probably be redacted, but
Speaker 9: you might get some answers. But there I'm curius in
Speaker 9: about the timeline. So Enrique is is having a boxing.
Speaker 2: Match Thursday afternoon.
Speaker 9: Who's he fighting.
Speaker 2: Against another another trainee.
Speaker 9: Another trainee, Okay, and we don't know if that training
Speaker 9: had previously experience of boxing.
Speaker 2: Well, that'll be part of the investigation, okay. And again
Speaker 2: even if look, if I jumped into the ring with
Speaker 2: Mike Tyson, Okay, which is never gonna happen, by the way,
Speaker 2: But but if I did, I would assume that Mike Tyson,
Speaker 2: as a professional would uh he's going to hold back
Speaker 2: on his punches a little bit. Come on. I mean
Speaker 2: it's like if I said, well, I want to go
Speaker 2: to Fenway Park and for you know, Roger Clemens every
Speaker 2: year for the Jimmy Fund throws batting practice to people. Uh,
Speaker 2: and you can say that you're bad against Roger Clemens.
Speaker 2: Now if I do that and I make a contribution
Speaker 2: to the Jimmy Fund in order to do that or
Speaker 2: whatever it is, Children's hospital and and Clemens throws one
Speaker 2: at my head, I mean, come on, that's you know,
Speaker 2: you have to and that's why they have supervision there.
Speaker 2: And if all of a sudden it was a parent
Speaker 2: that this kid didn't have any You give someone training
Speaker 2: in self defense before you put them in the ring.
Speaker 9: I mean, okay, let's look at his injuries. Broken back,
Speaker 9: which is serious and he could die from that alone.
Speaker 9: Oh my god. He had head injury.
Speaker 2: He lost teeth, lost teeth, not a tooth, but teeth.
Speaker 2: Now you're supposed to have a mouth guard, you should
Speaker 2: have a head should have headgear on.
Speaker 9: I mean, hight, So he's boxing in the match, all right,
Speaker 9: he boxing? So does he go to the hospital right
Speaker 9: after that or does home?
Speaker 2: They took him. No, no, no, no no. The story
Speaker 2: that we have is he was immediately rushed to the
Speaker 2: Worcester UMass Memorial Medical Center. He was put on life support.
Speaker 2: He lived for about a day. They had a ceremony
Speaker 2: the next day at his bedside. He was on life support,
Speaker 2: and he was basically given his badge, and so his
Speaker 2: family realized that he died as a member of the
Speaker 2: Massachusetts Police, which I'm sure was an honor. But at
Speaker 2: the same time, can you imagine the family is just
Speaker 2: looking at him. Uh. And then he was taken to
Speaker 2: have an autopsy'd done on Saturday out in Westfield at
Speaker 2: the Medical Examiner's Office for Western Massachusetts. And they have
Speaker 2: yet to appoint an independent investigator. I said the other night,
Speaker 2: someone like Ed Davis. I want to add, what about
Speaker 2: John Bodgett, the district attorney, former District attorney of Essex County,
Speaker 2: a man who has great credentials, or or Ed Davis.
Speaker 2: There are a number of people who should be put
Speaker 2: in charge of that and that investigation. All records would
Speaker 2: be you know, no, no records are destroyed, it's evidence.
Speaker 9: Davis would be great. But like what I'm trying to understand,
Speaker 9: is that he when he went directly from the boxing
Speaker 9: ring to the hospital. Yes, and no one's ever taken
Speaker 9: him out, and he's been watched constantly twenty four to
Speaker 9: seven by nurses and doctors.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 9: Then then that tells me that no one else got
Speaker 9: to him. So maybe the injuries from the boxing really
Speaker 9: did to him.
Speaker 2: And oh, there's no question about that. Was There's no
Speaker 2: question about that now. I mean, I guess if they
Speaker 2: found out that he didn't have a broken neck, if
Speaker 2: the autopsy said, oh, no, he didn't have a broken
Speaker 2: neck and a matter of fact, all of his teeth
Speaker 2: were fine. Uh, and they say he had a massive
Speaker 2: cardiac arrest. I mean, all of these young men and
Speaker 2: women go through extensive physicals in order to enter the academy,
Speaker 2: and you know this, it defies logic that it is
Speaker 2: anything other than these serious injuries that took his life. Right.
Speaker 9: You know, you're not gonna probably have more information until
Speaker 9: you get that autopsy report.
Speaker 2: But I think I think it should the public should
Speaker 2: be told. The public should be told at this point,
Speaker 2: what were the injuries he suffered, what has what was
Speaker 2: he what did he die from? Okay? And then the
Speaker 2: follow up question is how many people were physically there
Speaker 2: when this match occurred. Was it a boxing match? Did
Speaker 2: he have all of his protective equipment on? Could it
Speaker 2: be a situation where somehow he didn't tie a chin
Speaker 2: scrap chin strap and a blow knock the protective headgear
Speaker 2: off and the other fighter continued to hit him. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know the facts, but I gotta tell you,
Speaker 2: it's a week tomorrow that this kid lost his life.
Speaker 2: We need to get them because the longer we go,
Speaker 2: that's when funny things happen. To two documents and pieces
Speaker 2: of information. If you get my drift.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I just want to ascertain whether or not somebody
Speaker 9: got to him before he got to the uh to
Speaker 9: the hospital.
Speaker 3: But that's not the case, not at all, no question.
Speaker 9: Yeah, he went, he went directly from the fighting, the
Speaker 9: fighting ring, the boxing ring to the hospital. Yes, and
Speaker 9: it's being launched and yes, so it's it's it's a mystery.
Speaker 9: It's right up there with John John. What's your saying,
Speaker 9: Karen Reid's boyfriend. We don't know how he died. Well yeah, yeah, Well,
Speaker 9: like I said, you're not going to no more. Please
Speaker 9: see the autopsy report.
Speaker 2: All right, Thanks Gail, I appreciate it. Let's if the
Speaker 2: autopsy report is finalized, they don't have to give us
Speaker 2: the entire report, give us the results right now. Thanks Gail,
Speaker 2: I appreciate it. All right. We've got two more coming up.
Speaker 2: I got Dawn and Carlton, got Bill in New York.
Speaker 2: I got to them. Maybe room for you. The only
Speaker 2: lines is open six one, seven thirty. We are going
Speaker 2: to change topics at ten o'clock, and I want to
Speaker 2: talk about the decision of the Teamsters, the International Brotherhood
Speaker 2: of the Teamsters, to choose not to endorse a presidential candidate.
Speaker 2: There are some serious implications in there. We will talk
Speaker 2: about that after the ten o'clock news.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Sorry, we're running out of time here, and I gonna change.
Speaker 2: I will change topics at ten. So let me get
Speaker 2: Bill in New York in real quickly, and then Dawn
Speaker 2: and Charlton and maybe Lawrence and west Roxbury. Bill in
Speaker 2: New York, you'll comment, go run hit sir.
Speaker 10: Hey, Dan, thanks for taking my call.
Speaker 2: You're welcome. What's up?
Speaker 5: So?
Speaker 11: I want to talk about UH Trooper dougatdo Garcia.
Speaker 3: Yep, you talked.
Speaker 11: About hazing earlier and what he said to his friends
Speaker 11: about the hazing whole thing.
Speaker 2: I never talked about that. That was in the newscast.
Speaker 2: I don't know that to be true. If that's true,
Speaker 2: that has to be part of it as well everything
Speaker 2: that we've read so far as it deals with the
Speaker 2: boxing activity or the so called defensive exercise activity.
Speaker 5: Correct.
Speaker 11: Yeah, No, I agree with one thousand percent. Maybe if
Speaker 11: there was hazing going on, maybe he shouldn't have been
Speaker 11: put in that ring. Maybe maybe the hazing was a
Speaker 11: battle between two guys that were having to be for whatever.
Speaker 11: Being a veteran myself back in the day, I was
Speaker 11: in ninety two to ninety six, and it was a
Speaker 11: completely different military back then than it is now when
Speaker 11: people go through basic training.
Speaker 2: And no, I went through basic training about twenty years
Speaker 2: before that, so I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 10: So you can see over the progression of the years,
Speaker 10: it's gotten a lot looser and people, you know, he
Speaker 10: knew what he was signing up for.
Speaker 2: Well, I know, but this, but no one should sign
Speaker 2: up for this bill. Do me a favorite. I want
Speaker 2: to get one more local caller in before I but
Speaker 2: I got to let you go, but you made your point.
Speaker 2: Thank you for your service. Please call again, call earlier
Speaker 2: to give you much more time.
Speaker 10: Okay, thank you's there.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Let me go to Dawn and Charlton, Massachusetts. Dawn,
Speaker 2: you were next on night side. You get the final
Speaker 2: word tonight on this one. Go ahead.
Speaker 5: Hi, thanks for taking my call. My heart goes out
Speaker 5: to trooper delgattoism. I can't imagine firsthand what he's going through.
Speaker 5: Like you mentioned earlier in your conversation, I to support
Speaker 5: the troopers and all their hard work that they, you know,
Speaker 5: sacrifice each and every day. I think that's first and
Speaker 5: foremal topic of concerns that we need to appreciate all
Speaker 5: the law enforcement. However, a lot of speculation, I must
Speaker 5: say from a lot of these listeners. No one was there,
Speaker 5: So again, there were a lot.
Speaker 2: Of There were a lot of people that know, there
Speaker 2: were a lot of people there, don't I mean I
Speaker 2: wasn't there, but my Carlins weren't there. There are newspaper.
Speaker 3: Reports which have not been denied.
Speaker 2: By the state police, that he suffered from broken neck
Speaker 2: and had lost teeth in this so called defensive exercise.
Speaker 5: Correct I mean, like you mentioned, it's one of those
Speaker 5: things that none of us are there, none of us
Speaker 5: referring to all the listeners that you know, we can
Speaker 5: all again speculate, but no one is there until as
Speaker 5: I'm sure they're wearing protective headgearner I would imagine they
Speaker 5: said that.
Speaker 2: I accept that they said that, so, which makes it
Speaker 2: all more difficult to understand how we could have suffered
Speaker 2: such traumatic injuries. That's and all I'm just saying is
Speaker 2: give us the information you have, don't. I'm not going
Speaker 2: to wait around for some six month report. I want
Speaker 2: to thorough investigation, and that's why I suggested ed Davis
Speaker 2: or John Blatchett. But I also want an interim report,
Speaker 2: and I want like yesterday, simple as that. Don I
Speaker 2: am flat out of time. Have you called before since
Speaker 2: your first call?
Speaker 5: First call?
Speaker 2: Well, we'll give you a quick round of applause and
Speaker 2: come on back shirt and I'll give you a much
Speaker 2: more time. Thank you, don I appreciate it. Where's we're
Speaker 2: gonna do? All right, good night, I'm gonna stick with this.
Speaker 2: I've changed my mind. Lawrence and west Roxby, you stay
Speaker 2: there if you if you want to exercise your point
Speaker 2: of view on this go ahead. We will get to
Speaker 2: the teamster's UH non endorsement a little bit later on,
Speaker 2: but we'll continue with this right after the ten