Speaker 1: Imagine the texture of fear, real palpable fear. It is
December nineteen ninety two, right, a cold, crisp night in Houston, Texas.
Maybe you are driving home after a late shift. You know,
the heater is just humming against the chill. Or maybe
you're asleep in your bed, perfectly safe under the covers,
and suddenly the ambient noise of this city, all of it, Yeah,
the distant traffic, the hum of the refrigerator, the wind
against the glass, it just cuts out absolute silence.
Speaker 2: And that silence is almost always the first sign. It's
the precursor to the shift right, and then the world shifts.
Speaker 1: You aren't in Houston anymore. You aren't in your car,
you aren't in your bed. You are somewhere sterile, somewhere
incredibly cool, and you are surrounded by entities that do
not look like you. And the absolute worst part, you
know instinctively that this has happened to you before.
Speaker 2: And the most terrifying part of that scenario isn't even
the isolation. It isn't the creatures themselves. It is the
realization that happens later when you try to tell someone
what happened to.
Speaker 1: You exactly because usually when we hear abduction stories, it's
a deeply lonely experience. It's one person in the dark
wondering if they just entirely lost their mind.
Speaker 2: They dismiss it.
Speaker 1: We do. We say, oh, it's sleep paralysis or a hallucination,
or just a plea for attention. But this specific incident
was different. We are talking about the Houston mass subduction.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the case that breaks the mold. It
really does.
Speaker 1: Eight different people, eight members of the Houston UFO network.
They are all reporting independent abduction that occurred on this
exact same night.
Speaker 2: And that is the detail that transforms this from a
spooky anecdote into a solid data set. In intelligence analysis,
which is the lens we are using today, we look
for corroboration. These eight people didn't just share some vague
feeling of missing time. No, they have specifics, highly specific
They identified the exact interior lay out of the craft,
They identified the entities, and in a detail that honestly
makes the hair on the back of my next stand up,
they identified each other.
Speaker 1: That is the kicker.
Speaker 2: It really is. Imagine waking up in a literal nightmare,
looking across the sterile room and seeing your neighbor.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Thrilling Threads. I am your host, and today
we are initiating a protocol we love to call thrilling threads.
We aren't just swapping ghost stories around a campfire. Here.
We are taking the raw.
Speaker 2: Data, the eyewitness testimony.
Speaker 1: Exactly eyewitness testimony, historical documents dating all the way back
to the sixteen hundreds, and strange biological anomalies, and we
were pulling at those loose threads to see if they
weave a coherent and frankly, a pretty terrifying tapestry.
Speaker 2: And my role here is to keep us grounded in
the patterns, because if you look at the phenomenon of
high strangeness, it is so easy to get lost in
the noise.
Speaker 1: There's so much noise.
Speaker 2: Out there, there is, but if you filter that out,
you start to see a highly organized structure. We are
looking at the abduction phenomenon today not as a series
of random scares, but potentially as a deeply managed long
term program.
Speaker 1: A program with a time timeline.
Speaker 2: And if the sources we are diving into today are correct,
a deadline.
Speaker 1: That is the thrilling thread that we are going to
follow all the way to the very end. Today we
are going to move from the suburbs of Houston to
the Puritan colonies of sixteen thirty nine, through the really
clumsy cover ups of Roswell, straight into the disturbing genetics
of the hybridization program, and then underground. Yes, finally, we
are going deep underground to look at ancient evidence that suggests, well,
they have been here a lot longer than we have.
Speaker 2: It's a massive network casting, but it all points to
the exact same center.
Speaker 1: So let's go back to Houston nineteen ninety two. I
really want to unpack the investigation itself because the way
this was handled completely separates it from your standard you know,
I saw a Light in the sky kind of story. Right,
this was investigated by Darryl Simms. Now, Simms is a character.
Speaker 2: He absolutely is. Daryl Simms is a polarizing figure in
this field. He's often called the alien Hunter, but his
background is the key here. He is a former US
intelligence operative and he's a master hypnotist.
Speaker 1: Which changes the whole dynamic completely.
Speaker 2: He doesn't approach these people like a therapist trying to
heal their emotional trauma. He approaches them like a detective
working a high K case. He assumes there is a
massive conspiracy and he looks for the leaks.
Speaker 1: He treated it like a literal crime scene exactly.
Speaker 2: The methodology is what gives this entire case its weight.
He isolated the witnesses. This is absolutely crucial. You have
eight people, you do not let them meet for coffee.
You don't let them sit and swap stories in the waiting.
Speaker 1: Room lobby, right, because then their stories merge.
Speaker 2: Yes, you interview them strictly separately. You completely blind them
to each other's testimony to.
Speaker 1: Prevent cross contamination. I mean that is just law enforcement
one oh one.
Speaker 2: Precisely in witness testimony, cross contamination is the absolute enemy.
If I say to you, hey, did you see the
blue light? Your brain might just invent a blue light
just to be helpful to me.
Speaker 1: Right. People want to please the.
Speaker 2: Investigator exactly, But Simms didn't lead them. He used deep
progression hypnotherapy to bypass their conscious screen memories.
Speaker 1: Let's explain screen memories real quick for anyone who isn't familiar.
Speaker 2: Sure. Screen memories are these fake placeholder memories that the
human mind creates to block out severe trauma. So instead
of remembering a terrifying entity. An abductee might remember seeing
a giant owl staring at them through the window, or
a deer standing unnaturally still in the road.
Speaker 1: The brain just throws up a generic image to protect.
Speaker 2: Itself, exactly. But sims bypassed those screens and he got
straight to the raw data.
Speaker 1: And the raw data across all eight people was identical.
Speaker 2: Structurally identical. They all described the transfer process. They weren't
just magically beamed up. They were physically taken from their
homes or their cars into a smaller secondary scout craft,
and then that craft physically transported them up to a
much larger mothership. It implies a whole system of logistics.
It implies a shuttle service.
Speaker 1: It feels bureaucratic. It's like catching a connecting flight at
a major hub airport.
Speaker 2: It creates a terrifying sense of scale. This isn't just
some joy ride. This is an industrial operation. But the
detail that we really need to stop and analyze, the
thread that ties this to our central theme for this
deep dive is the map.
Speaker 1: The map. Yes, one of the abductees under very deep
progression described seeing a visual display on the wall of
the craft, and.
Speaker 2: This is the ticking clock of our discussion today. Usually
when abductees report seeing displays, they see star.
Speaker 1: Charts, right dots and lines connecting different solar systems exactly.
Speaker 2: Betty Hill famously saw a star map. But this Houston
witness saw a timeline, a visual linear representation of this
specific alien group's involvement with humanity.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't a short timeline we aren't talking about,
you know, since the atomic bomb in eighteen forty seven.
Speaker 2: No, the witness interpreted the data on that wall to
represent approximately six thousand years, six millennia of interaction.
Speaker 1: Or management or whatever you want to call it, which
perfectly tracks with the beginning of what we can consider
human civilization in Samaria and Egypt exactly.
Speaker 2: But the sheer span of history isn't the scary part.
It is the position of the you are here marker
on that timeline.
Speaker 1: The witness said, we were at the very very end
of it.
Speaker 2: Yes, they described the timeline as a long visual bar
representing that entire six thousand year history and the marker
for current time. And remember the current time for this
witness is nineteen ninety two. That marker was in the
final tiny terminal sliver of the bar.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: The witness estimated that relative to the massive six thousand
year span, there is only about one hundred years left
on the clock.
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to pause right there and just let
that sink in for a second. That puts a very
specific tangible date on this whole thing. If the timeline
ends exactly one hundred years from nineteen ninety two, we
are looking at a hard deadline of twenty ninety two, correct,
Which means, as you are listening to us talk about
this right now, we are well over a third of
the way through that final countdown. We are moving rapidly
toward the end of that bar.
Speaker 2: It forces a really uncomfort question what happens when the
bar runs out? If this has been a six thousand
year experiment, or a farming operation or some sort of
genetic uplift program, what actually happens at the completion date?
What happens at the harvest?
Speaker 1: You use the word harvest, That is a really heavy word.
It implies consumption, or at the very least, utility. We
are being used for something. But it fits perfectly with
the description of the museum that the witnesses saw inside
that mother ship.
Speaker 2: It does Darryl Simms often refers to the specific area
of the craft as the archive. The witnesses were led
through this massive, cavernous hall, and it wasn't a sterile
medical bay with bright surgical lights. It was a gallery,
a gallery of what they saw species, yes, animals and
human beings.
Speaker 1: Human beings inside glass cases.
Speaker 2: In suspension. Yes. The witness was incredibly adamant about this distinction.
During the hypnosis, they said, I don't think they were dead.
I think they were in suspended animation. They were frozen,
they were being stored.
Speaker 1: See this immediately makes me think of the Missing four
one one phenomenal. Absolutely, we have thousands and thousands of
people who just vanish in national parks without a single trace,
no boots, no bones, no equipment ever found. The tracking
dogs just stop at a tree line and sit down.
Speaker 2: The scent just vanishes into thin air.
Speaker 1: Right, And we always just assume, well, they fell in
a ravine, or they got disoriented, or they got eaten
by a mountain lion. But if there is an active,
ongoing archival program happening above.
Speaker 2: Us, it is a terrifyingly logical explanation for total traceless disappearances.
If you are running a massive genetic library. You don't
want dead, decaying DNA. You don't want a corpse. You
want living, breathing samples preserved perfectly in stasis. Wow, if
the grand experiment of Earth is nearing its end date,
maybe you start grabbing the best samples you can find
to store them before the lab closes down for good.
Speaker 1: That is such a bleak thought. The lab is closing.
Speaker 2: Time to pack up the racks, or, to use a
different metaphor, the flood is coming. Time to load the arc.
Speaker 1: Right, respective matters whether it's a farm or an arc,
the result is the same for us. But is this
unique to nineteen ninety two? Because one of the things
we promised you at the start of this deep dive
is that we would pull this thread way back through history.
Speaker 2: We have to because skeptics always say the same thing.
They say UFOs are just a modern invention. They were
created by Cold War paranoia in nineteen fifties Hollywood b movies, and.
Speaker 1: The historical record proves that is simply not true. The
terminology changes. Obviously, they didn't have the word ufo or
alien back then. But the core phenomenon, the lights, the
impossible physics, the abductions. It is remarkably consistent for centuries exactly.
Speaker 2: Let's look at the Puritan connection sixteen thirty nine, Boston.
Speaker 1: This is wild. Let's get into it.
Speaker 2: This is one of the strongest historical cases we have
purely because of the credibility of the source. We are
talking about John Winthrop. Right, he isn't the town gossip.
He isn't a guy looking to sell a science fiction book.
He is the governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony.
Speaker 1: He's the guy on the money figurevatively speaking.
Speaker 2: Literally in some historical contexts, his journal is the absolute
bedrock of early American history. If John Winthrop writes about
corn yields in sixteen thirty nine, modern historians believe him
without question. If he writes about the harsh winter or
the laws regarding livestock, it's accepted as historical fact.
Speaker 1: But then, right next to the mundane notes about corn yields,
he writes about James.
Speaker 2: Avro exactly, James Avro, whom Winthrop specifically describes as a
sober and discreet man, meaning he wasn't a town junkard,
and he wasn't known for spinning tall tails.
Speaker 1: A reliable witness, highly reliable.
Speaker 2: So Avro, along with two other men, is rowing a
small boat down the muddy River in Boston. It is night,
pitch black. Remember this is sixteen thirty nine. There is
zero light pollution, no street lights, no neon signs, just
the stars in the dark water. And suddenly they see
a massive, brilliant light in the sky.
Speaker 1: And here's where the language gets a little tricky and frankly,
a little funny if you don't understand the historical context.
Winthrop rites in his official journal that the light contracted
into the shape of a swinehig.
Speaker 2: It sounds totally absurd to us today, a glowing space
pig hovering over colonial Boston. But we really have to
apply a strict linguistic filter.
Speaker 1: Here, right, We have to put ourselves in their shoes.
Speaker 2: These are puritans, They are farmers and settlers. They don't
have the word fuselage. They don't have cigar shaped craft
or tic tech or dirigible in their vocabulary.
Speaker 1: They don't even have machinery in the modern sense of
the word. A wagon wheel is their highest tech exactly.
Speaker 2: Their entire vocabulary is agricultural. Their entire world is defined
by animals and crops. So if you are a Puritan
in sixteen thirty nine. And you see a glowing oblong
metallic object, perhaps with four landing year struts protruding from
the bottom. What is the closest shape in your mental encyclopedia.
Speaker 1: A pig, an oval, thick body with four short, stubby legs.
Speaker 2: Exactly. He was just describing the physical geometry of the
craft using the absolute only metaphors he had available to him.
He wasn't saying it was literally a giant glowing pick.
He was saying it was swinelike in its form.
Speaker 1: It makes so much sense when you break it down.
It is like if we saw a fourth dimensional object
floating in the sky today, we would probably describe it
as a shifting cube or something, because that is the
math we know. We're always limited by our current language always.
Speaker 2: But the pig description isn't even the most important part
of winterrops century. It is the physics of what happened.
Speaker 1: Next, the movement of the objects.
Speaker 2: Yes, Winter records that this light shot back and forth
across the sky swift.
Speaker 1: As an arrow, which implies instantaneous acceleration inertia defying speed,
the exact same kind of movement Navy pilots are reporting
with the tic TACs today and then we get the
missing time anomaly. The boat tell him about the boat.
Speaker 2: So the men watched this light darting around for what
they thought was maybe a few minutes, maybe an hour
at most. But when the light finally vanished, they suddenly
realized they weren't why they should have been on the river.
They were miles upstream.
Speaker 1: Now, anyone who has ever rowed a boat knows exactly
how exhausting it is to row upstream.
Speaker 2: It's grueling, and they had been rowing against the tide
when they saw the light. Yet when it disappeared, they
had moved further up the river than was physically possible
for three men to row in that timeframe. And they
had absolutely no memory of how they got there. They
had been moved, they had been physically displaced.
Speaker 1: That's classic displacement.
Speaker 2: It is the absolute hallmark of modern adduction reports. Missing time,
deep disorientation, physical displacement. It happened to Betty and Barney
Hill in nineteen sixty one, it happened to Travis Walton
in nineteen seventy five, and it happened to James Avrou
in sixteen thirty nine. The core phenomenon is completely stable,
only our cultural description of it changes over time.
Speaker 1: It really just pulls the rug out from right of
the hole. It's just a modern movie trope.
Speaker 2: Argument completely destroys it.
Speaker 1: Speaking of descriptions changing, let's move forward a bit to
the Founding Fathers. I think there's a really weird gap
in our history books. Here. We learn all about their politics,
we'll learn about the Declaration of Independence, but we don't
learn anything about their cosmology. No, we don't. I think
there's a major misconception today that believing in aliens or
extraterrestrial life is somehow anti intellectual, that it's fringe. Yeah,
But back in the seventeen hundreds, it was actually the
ultimate sign of a high IQ.
Speaker 2: It was the smart man's belief without a doubt. It
was called the plurality of worlds. Men like Benjamin Franklin,
John Adams, and Thomas Jefferson were deeply, deeply interested in astronomy.
They were men of science and reason. They looked at
the sheer, staggering size of the universe that was slowly
being revealed by better and better telescopes, and they concluded
that it was the height of human arrogance. To think
Earth was entirely unique.
Speaker 1: It was almost a purely statistical argument for that it was.
Speaker 2: They argued, if God is truly infinite, why would he
create a universe of infinite waste? Why have billions and
billions of stars if only one tiny rock, or being
one average star has life on it. It just seemed
wildly inefficient to them.
Speaker 1: But there was a line you couldn't cross with this theory,
and Thomas Pain, who was always the firebrand, he crossed it.
Speaker 2: Thomas Pain is such a tragic figure in this specific context.
The man wrote common Sense. He practically ignited the American
Revolution with his pamphlets. He was a massive hero. But
in seventeen ninety three he wrote a book called The
Age of Reason, and in it he tried to logically
reconcile the existence of aliens with Christianity.
Speaker 1: And the Church did not like that at all.
Speaker 2: He made a logical argument that absolutely devastated the religious
dogma of the time. He said, effectively, if there are
infinite worlds out there, with infinite populations, does Jesus go
to every single one of them, get born, get crucified,
and die over and over again for all of eternity?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that brings up a massive logistical issue for theology.
Speaker 2: It's a huge issue. Pain argued that the one world
at a time concept of salvation just didn't make any
sense for an infinite creator. Argued that the traditional Christian
narrative was just too small for the massive universe that
science was discovering. But putting this in print got him
officially branded a dangerous heretic, and.
Speaker 1: The consequences for him were incredibly real, very real.
Speaker 2: He was over in France at the time, and he
actually got arrested during their revolution for political reasons. But
the sad part is he blamed George Washington for letting
him rot in that French prison. Really, yes, he felt
that Washington entirely abandoned him because Paine's views on extraterrestrials
and religion had made him politically toxic back home, so
he'd had an absolute outcast.
Speaker 1: So the stigma, the public ridicule, that isn't a new
invention by the CIA. It's been used to silence people
on this topic for over two hundred years.
Speaker 2: It is the ultimate control mechanism. If you can't logically
disprove the idea, you just aggressively ridicule the person holding it.
You push them so far to the fringe that polite
society feels they don't have to listen to them anymore.
Speaker 1: Which brings us perfectly to the ultimate moment of ridicule
and government cover up, nineteen forty seven.
Speaker 2: Roswell the great turning point.
Speaker 1: We have to talk about Roswell, obviously, but I want
to focus on something a little different than the usual narrative.
Usually people just talk about the crash itself. I want
to talk about the sheer incompetence of the coverup. I
was a mess because we tend to think of the
government and the military as these master manipulators playing forty
chess with the public. But in nineteen forty seven they
really fumbled the ball.
Speaker 2: They tanicked. It was absolute panic. It was early July.
Mac Brazil, a local rancher, finds this massive debris field
on his property. Now this isn't a guy who gets
easily confused by wind blown trash. He lives out there.
He knows exactly what weather balloons look like, he knows
what standard tinfoil looks like. But he finds this strange material,
the memory metal.
Speaker 1: This is the detail that never ever leaves the story
the foil right.
Speaker 2: Major Jesse Marcel, who is the prime intelligence officer for
the five hundred ninth bomb Group. He actually out and
handled this stuff himself, and he was so mind blown
by it that he brought some of it home and
laid it out on his kitchen floor. He showed it
to his young son, which, by the way, is.
Speaker 1: A wild breach of military protocol.
Speaker 2: It just shows how utterly baffled he was by what
he was looking at. He described the material as being
as light as a feather, but you couldn't cut it
with shears, you couldn't burn it with a lighter, and
you couldn't even dent it with a heavy sledgehammer.
Speaker 1: And the memory aspect of it, Yes.
Speaker 2: If you took a piece of it and crumpled it
up tightly into a ball on your fist, the moment
you let go, it would fluidly uncrump itself right back
to a perfectly flat, rigid surface, no creases, no wrinkles,
no signs it had ever been bent.
Speaker 1: I mean, we have barely mastered nittinal memory alloys today
modern engineering. In nineteen forty seven, this was basically magic.
It was Arthur C. Clarke's exact definition of magic.
Speaker 2: It was impossible technology for the era and the bodies.
We definitely have to mention the bodies. The internal sources
indicate that five biological entities were recovered from the secondary
crash site. Small maybe three and a half to four
feet tall, large disproportionate heads, large black wraparound.
Speaker 1: Eyes, the classic gray architect exactly.
Speaker 2: And they were allegedly put into hermetically sealed coffin sized
boxes and shipped off to highly classified research areas.
Speaker 1: And then comes the press release. To me, this is
the absolute smoking gun of the entire Roswell incident.
Speaker 2: It is arguably the only time in modern history that
the US military has actually told the truth about UFOs.
And it lasted exactly twenty four hours. The public information
officer of the base issued an official statement that literally
read our AAF captures flying saucer on ranch in Roswell region.
It ran in the local papers, it was broadcast on
the radio.
Speaker 1: And then what happened the next day. The very next day,
General Ramie flies in all the way from Fort Worth, Texas.
He calls a press conference, holds up some very obvious,
flimsy pieces of rubber and standard tinfoil for the newspaper
cameras material that clearly wasn't what Marcel had described, and
he basically says, sorry, folks, nothing to see here. It
was just a balloon.
Speaker 2: It is incredibly insulting to our intelligence. You are asking
the American public to believe that the five hundred and
ninth bomb Group, which let's remember was the only atomic
bomb wing in the entire world at that time, the
absolute elite of the elite military personnel, that they couldn't
tell the difference between a neopren rubber balloon with a
foil radar reflector and a craft extraterrestrial spacecraft exactly. It
implies that our primary nuclear custodians are bumbling idiots, which
they absolutely weren't. They were covering it up. But as
researcher Sabina Magleoco points out so brilliantly, this massive public
fumble birthed the modern conspiracy theorist because before Roswell, Americans
generally trusted their government implicitly. After Roswell, the seed was
planted deep in the cultural consciousness, the idea that wait
a minute, they know something huge and they are actively
lying to us. In a democracy and if they.
Speaker 1: Are lying with that level of panic, it is probably
because the truth is far too disturbing to share with
the general public, which naturally leads us right back to
the abductions. We talked about the history, but we really
need to look at the biology, the physical reality, Yes,
the physical reality of what actually happens to people on
their ships, because it isn't just standing around looking at
timeline maps on a.
Speaker 2: Wall, No, not at all. It is deeply physically invasive.
We have to look at the Adam and Eve of
this modern phenomenon. Betty and Barney Hill nineteen sixty one.
Speaker 1: Their story is incredibly famous, but I think people gloss
over how gruesome the migable details actually were.
Speaker 2: They really do under a clinical hypnosis, Betty described a
terrifying procedure. She said a very long needle was inserted
directly into her navel, and the entities communicated to her
that it was a pregnancy test.
Speaker 1: Which to a modern ear sounds exactly like a forced
egg extraction.
Speaker 2: That is the consensus modern interpretation. Yes, and Barney Hill
described a cuplike device being placed securely over his genitals.
Sperm samples were taken, skin samples were scraped. This wasn't
some sort of friendly diplomat meet and greet. This was
a cold, clinical, biological survey. They were treating the hills
exactly like we treat wild fauna when we tag and
release them.
Speaker 1: And that theme gets so much darker as we move
into the eighties and nineties. Let's talk about Kim Carlsberg.
Her story is so visceral.
Speaker 2: Kim Carlsberg's account really takes the horror to the next level.
She was a highly successful commercial photographer living in Pacific
Palisades in nineteen eighty eight, just a normal professional person.
She sees a light jetting into the stars, and then
she is taken. She wakes up paralyzed, naked, surrounded by
these small, off white beings, and she describes the environment
not as the bridge of a spaceship, but as a clinic.
Speaker 1: She specifically talked about being used.
Speaker 2: That is a true horror of her account. She explicitly
said I was being used for my DNA. She described
an ongoing multi year cycle. She would be taken from
her bed, artificially impregnated, and then a few months later taken.
Speaker 1: Again and the fetus what happened to it?
Speaker 2: Removed harvested from her body. She described being away and
seeing vast rooms inside this craft filled with glowing tanks,
and inside those tanks were small hybrid fetuses, floating and fluid,
half human and half something else entirely.
Speaker 1: Okay, this brings us to the massive why of this
whole deep dive. Why would an incredibly advanced civilization, one
that can travel faster than light or maybe even move
fluidly between dimensions. Why would they ever need to steal
genetic material from a photographer in California? Why do they
need us at all?
Speaker 2: Our sources, particularly the deeply researched work by George Nori
and Linda Malton Howe boil this down to three primary theories,
and frankly, none of them are particularly comforting. They all
severely diminish our status as the so called crown of creation.
Speaker 1: Break those three theories down for us.
Speaker 2: Theory A is what they call the arc. This connects
directly back to the timeline map we discussed earlier, the
idea that the experiment is ending. Maybe these entities know
that Earth is doomed, either by our o ecological collapse
or a cosmic event, and they are systematically backing up
our genetic.
Speaker 1: Code, like saving data onto a hard drive.
Speaker 2: Exactly, they are saving the biological software, which is our
DNA before they just scrap the planetary hardware.
Speaker 1: So it's essentially a rescue mission. But they don't actually
care about you or me as individuals. They just want
the genetic library secured spot on.
Speaker 2: It is cold calculated preservation. Now, theory B is evolutionary management.
This is the idea that Earth is essentially a massive
Petri dish. We aren't developing naturally, We are being constantly
tweaked and pruned. Maybe our inherent aggression is too high
or our spiritual intelligence is too low, and they are
hybridizing us to fix the flaws in our design.
Speaker 1: So genetic engineering on a global planetary scale.
Speaker 2: Yes, we are an ongoing lab experiment. And then there
is theory C.
Speaker 1: Theory C.
Speaker 2: Theory C is, without a doubt, the darkest. It is
the farm theory, the idea that they are actually the
dying race. They have cloned and genetically modified themselves for
so many millennia that they have lost all their original
genetic viability. They are suffering from severe terminal genetic degradation.
Speaker 1: So they need fresh DNA to survive.
Speaker 2: They need us like a vampire needs blood. We are
the fresh, vibrant stock. They are harvesting our reproductive material
simply to save themselves from extinction.
Speaker 1: And that perfectly aligns with the museum concept we talked
about earlier. I mean, you don't ask the cattle for
permission to take a stake. You don't ask the lab
rat to sign a consent form before you take a
blood sample.
Speaker 2: You absolutely do not. It assumes a strict, rigid hierarchy
where humans are permanently at the bottom of the food chain.
Speaker 1: Okay, I need to pivot here because we have been
looking up at the sky this entire time talking about
space and craft. But there is a whole other dimension
to this thread that looks down, straight down underground. Because
if you're going to farm a massive population of eight
billion people, you need to live somewhat close to.
Speaker 2: The farm, right Strategically speaking, Yes, if you wanted to
hide a massive operational base on Earth, where is the
absolutely one place humans can not easily go?
Speaker 1: Deep underground? Yeah? I mean we can barely drill a
few miles down for oil. It is incredibly hot, it
is insanely high pressure. It is the perfect impenetrable camouflage.
Speaker 2: Precisely, and this is exactly where we get into the
ancient ant people legends and the Shaman's panel hidden away
in the Grand Canyon.
Speaker 1: Tell me about the technology used on the Shaman's panel,
because this is fascinating science. It beautifully bridges the gap
between ancient folklore and modern forensics.
Speaker 2: The technique is called photogrammetry. Researchers Greg Downing and Eric
Hanson went deep into these restricted ancient rock art sites
in the canyon. Now, to the naked human eye, these panels,
which are many thousands of years old, they just look
like faded, reddish smudges.
Speaker 1: On the rock wall, right, just ancient graffiti exactly.
Speaker 2: But Downing and Hanson took thousands of ultra high resolution
photos of the rock face and they used advanced software
to build incredibly detailed three D models. Then they digitally
stripped away the microscopic layers of mineral build up natural oxidation.
Speaker 1: They essentially cleaned the painting in a virtual space.
Speaker 2: Exactly, and underneath the visible surface level art they found
ghost layers. Older images that had been painted over are
completely faded by the passage of time, and these ghost
layers showed very strange anthropomorphic figures, large bulbous eyes, odd
shaped heads, torso shapes that just do not match human anatomy.
And these figures were depicted interacting closely with the ancient tribes.
Speaker 1: So this wasn't just some shamans drug induced imagination. They
were actively documenting a real physical relationship, a.
Speaker 2: Relationship that, according to Deep Hope legend, actually saved their
entire civilization. The Hopies speak very reverently of the Ant people,
which they call the Anusnome. They say that during the
great cataclysms of the ancient pastimes, when there was fire
raining down and then later ice covering the surface, the
Ant people took the Hope deep underground into their cavern cities.
Speaker 1: They took them into the subterranean bunkers.
Speaker 2: Yes, they took them down, fed them, and taught them
how to survive until the surface was safe again.
Speaker 1: That's incredible. But as we know, not all underground legends
are friendly rescue stories.
Speaker 2: No, we definitely have to talk about Richard Shaver, the
infamous Shaver mystery. This is a wild wild rabbit Hole.
Speaker 1: Set the scene for US nineteen forty five.
Speaker 2: Nineteen forty five Amazing Stories magazine, which was a very
popular sci fi publication at the time. A man named
Richard Shaver writes a story called I Remember Lemria, but
he sends an urgent, frantic letter to the editor along
with the manuscript, insisting this is not fiction, this is
real history.
Speaker 1: He claimed he was a victim of abduction, yes.
Speaker 2: But not by aliens from outer space. He claimed he
was abducted by beings from deep inside the Earth. He
stated that the Earth's crust is totally honeycombed with massive caverns,
and they are inhabited by a race he called the Darros,
which stands for detrimental robots, but he.
Speaker 1: Meant robots in the sense of biological machines, right, not
like clunky metal.
Speaker 2: Mass right, biological entities acting on dark programming. He described
them as the degenerate, mutated remnants of a super advanced
ancient race that fled underground when our son became highly
radioactive eons ago. Some of that race left in spaceships,
but the ones left behind degenerated into these Darrows, and
they a hostile extremely He claimed. They use ancient mech
which are these massive machines left behind that they barely
even understand how to operate anymore to actively torture surface dwellers.
He blamed them for causing accidents, manipulating human minds, and
kidnapping people off the surface for food and experiments.
Speaker 1: I mean, on its face, it sounds like pure pulp
fiction madness.
Speaker 2: It does. It sounds like the textbook definition of schizophrenia.
But Shaver had physical evidence, or at least he claimed,
to the rock books.
Speaker 1: Right tell us about the rock books.
Speaker 2: He would find these specific stones, mostly geodes and agates,
that he firmly believed were sliced cross sections of ancient
informational devices books. He claimed they contained complex, holographic, multifaceted
imagery embedded right into the crystal structure.
Speaker 1: How do you read them.
Speaker 2: He said, If you looked at them at the exact
right angle with the right light source, they projected detailed
pictures of this lost underground civilization. He was convinced these
weren't random geological patterns, but high tech artifacts from a
pre human culture that was over thirty thousand years old.
Speaker 1: Whether Shaver was genuinely mentally ill or whether he was
actually tapping into something real but lacking the vocabulary to
explain it, his core narrative perfectly aligns with so many
other modern stories.
Speaker 2: It really does look at the research of David Childress
the whole crypto terrestrial theory. When you layer Shaver's wild
claims with the Phil Schneider accounts of massive underground firefights
in the nineties or the persistent rumors of multi level
genetic bases in Dilce, New Mexico, the thread holds tight.
Speaker 1: The idea that the aliens we keep looking up for
might not be extraterrestrial at all. They might be cryptoterestrics.
Speaker 2: Exactly. They have been here the whole time, just a
few miles beneath their feet, completely out of sight.
Speaker 1: We are just the oblivious tenants living on the roof.
They are the actual landlords, managing everything from the basement.
Speaker 2: That is exactly the dynamic it implies.
Speaker 1: So let's take a breath and really try to pull
this entire tapestry together. It is a terrifying picture when
you step back, but we need to see the whole
image clearly.
Speaker 2: Let's gather the threads.
Speaker 1: We have a literal map seen on our ship in
nineteen ninety two that says the Grand experiment ends around
twenty ninety two we have sober Puritans in sixteen thirty
nine seeing the exact same craft and experiencing the exact
same missing time physics anomalies that we see reported today.
We have the US government in nineteen forty seven terrified
enough to completely lie to the world about recovered memory
metal and biological bodies. And we have a deeply invasive
biological program that is actively harvesting human DNA to create hybrids.
Speaker 2: And we have the ancient Underground Connection strongly suggesting a permanent,
subterranean presence on this planet. When you say it all
in one breath like that, the conclusion is incredibly hard
to avoid. We are not alone, and more importantly, we
are not in charge.
Speaker 1: We are managed.
Speaker 2: We are completely managed.
Speaker 1: So here's the final question we want to leave you
with today, and is a question I want you to
really sit with on your drive home or while you're
lying in bed tonight. If that timeline map was right,
if that mass subduction in Houston wasn't some shared hallucination
but an actual briefing, and we are racing right now
toward that twenty ninety two deadline. What happens then, right?
Speaker 2: Is it a graduation? Do we finally join the wider
galactic community. Do we get the keys to the cosmic.
Speaker 1: Car or is it a harvest? Does the farmer finally
come out to clear the field?
Speaker 2: Look at the sheer vertical acceleration of our technology right now,
the environmental chaos, the sudden, unprompted shift in government disclosure
where they are finally openly admitting that UAPs are real
and in our airspace. It feels like something major is
ramping up.
Speaker 1: It feels exactly like the end of the semester. Everyone
is frantically cramming for the final or.
Speaker 2: The end of the growing season, and the reapers are
quietly sharpening their sides.
Speaker 1: We really want to know what you think. Are we
the equal partners in this grand cosmic dance or are
we just the crop? Are we being carefully prepared for
contact or for collection?
Speaker 2: It is a vital conversation we all need to start having.
Speaker 1: Tell us your stance in the comments. We read every
single one of them.
Speaker 2: Until next time, keep your eyes on the skies.
Speaker 1: I keep pulling the threads