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Speaker 4: A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share
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Speaker 5: Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you
Speaker 5: all this week? I'm Nick Hunter and this is the
Speaker 5: UFO Chronicles podcast. New Jersey in the US is our
Speaker 5: destination tonight as we meet Leo. And Leo has had
Speaker 5: paranormal experiences since childhood, including an encounter with an et
Speaker 5: as a child. As an adult, he has experienced paranormal
Speaker 5: visits in some of the houses that he has lived in,
Speaker 5: and has seen UFOs and orbs in the sky, including
Speaker 5: a strange sighting in Sweden. Leo is up next, but first,
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Speaker 5: with the show. Good evening, Leo, Welcome to.
Speaker 2: The podcast, Nick, Thank you for having me, Thank.
Speaker 5: You for join us today. And you're calling from New
Speaker 5: Jersey in the US.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a small city. It's arguably a city. It's
Speaker 2: pretty much a small town. Called Hoboken, New Jersey. It's
Speaker 2: in the Tri State metro area of New York City.
Speaker 2: Goods def le.
Speaker 5: Oh, okay, now you have some experiences to share with us,
Speaker 5: So would you like start the beginning please, sir?
Speaker 2: Sure, I'd love to, uh, maybe a little bit about myself.
Speaker 2: I'm forty eight years old. Like I said, I live
Speaker 2: in New Jersey and Hoboken. Born and raised in Manhattan
Speaker 2: and the Washington Heights section of New York City of Manhattan.
Speaker 2: Normal middle class family upbringing. We weren't overly religious. We
Speaker 2: never really spoke about ets or spirits. It wasn't something
Speaker 2: we discussed as a family. My parents were pretty strict.
Speaker 2: We didn't really have any friends, sleepovers. We grew up
Speaker 2: in a very controlled environment. The TV was really restricted
Speaker 2: growing up. And these are all important things about why
Speaker 2: I think I've had so many sightings and experiences over
Speaker 2: the years. And I would say that I was an
Speaker 2: empathic kind of kid, pretty sensitive. I didn't have a
Speaker 2: lot of friends. I mean, I was well liked, but
Speaker 2: I wasn't bullied. So I didn't really have a lot
Speaker 2: of friends growing up. And I was pretty in tune
Speaker 2: with how people's emotions and energy was and I couldn't
Speaker 2: explain that at the time growing up, but I think
Speaker 2: that was something I was aware of, but I couldn't
Speaker 2: articulate what I was thinking. And as an adult, I've
Speaker 2: lived in different cities throughout the US and I lived
Speaker 2: in another country, so some of these experiences were in
Speaker 2: different cities and homes that I lived. So my first
Speaker 2: encounter encounters began, or that I remember, were between the
Speaker 2: ages of four and around thirteen fourteen years old. In
Speaker 2: the eighties, I was in New York City in the
Speaker 2: Washington Heights of Manhattan. My family lived in a pre
Speaker 2: war building, which is pretty typical of that area up there.
Speaker 2: They're huge apartments, spacious rooms and corridors, dining rooms, libraries,
Speaker 2: et cetera. I shared a room with my younger brother
Speaker 2: and my older sister was in the room adjacent to hours.
Speaker 2: My mom and dad slept in their bedroom about fifteen
Speaker 2: twenty feet away, and my parents made us sleep with
Speaker 2: our doors open. They were very, very protective and they
Speaker 2: wanted to keep a protective eye on us at all times.
Speaker 2: So my room, this is an important part of the story.
Speaker 2: My room faced the long part of the apartment all
Speaker 2: the way I had a view from all the way
Speaker 2: from my room to the front entrance of the apartment.
Speaker 2: It was kind of like what they call like a
Speaker 2: railroad style apartment here in New York City, which is
Speaker 2: a long, narrow apartment length and then there's rooms along
Speaker 2: the left and the right side of it. But I
Speaker 2: had a view straight through to the front entrance. And
Speaker 2: during the day and mostly at night, I would see
Speaker 2: things that I couldn't explain. I would see shadow figures
Speaker 2: passing through. At nighttime, I would see light figures moving
Speaker 2: through the apartment, always, sometimes through the closer to the
Speaker 2: front door, sometimes towards my parents' room, just passing through.
Speaker 2: There were entities. They were light colored, faint fluorescent green, white,
Speaker 2: blue sometimes and I couldn't explain what they were. I
Speaker 2: thought as a kid, I was so young, I didn't
Speaker 2: know how to explain it. And they were walking around
Speaker 2: as if they were lost. They weren't aware of me,
Speaker 2: but I was definitely aware of them. They never came
Speaker 2: into my room, which was very good, but I used
Speaker 2: to see them all the time, and apparently as I
Speaker 2: got older, I spoke to my older sister and she
Speaker 2: saw them as well. But it was something we never
Speaker 2: talked about until we became adults. As a kid, I
Speaker 2: thought it was normal, something that everyone saw. I never
Speaker 2: spoken about it, and it didn't frighten me when I
Speaker 2: was young, But as I got older, the shadow figures
Speaker 2: kind of did bother me. I sensed that they kind
Speaker 2: of had an afarious vibe, even though I never interacted
Speaker 2: with them, but I just felt it. Thought it was
Speaker 2: normal for everyone to see them. So I mentioned it
Speaker 2: maybe once or twice to my parents and they just
Speaker 2: got angry. I just restricted my TV viewing even more.
Speaker 2: But I realized that seeing these entities was not normal,
Speaker 2: so I kept it all to myself. Then a few
Speaker 2: years later, when I was five or six, I was
Speaker 2: in the eighties, I had an encounter with a non
Speaker 2: human entity. My parents. We lived on the first floor
Speaker 2: of that building and my mom's brother's family lived on
Speaker 2: the fourth floor. And I remember it was late afternoon,
Speaker 2: early evening, and my mom was definitely a cooking dinner
Speaker 2: and wanted to go upstairs to my cousin's house on
Speaker 2: the fourth floor because he had an Atari game console
Speaker 2: and that was pretty big back in the eighties, and
Speaker 2: I begged my mom to let me go play the
Speaker 2: video game at my cousin's place, and since she was cooking,
Speaker 2: she didn't want to take me, so she kind of
Speaker 2: begged her and begged her. Finally she begrudgingly let me
Speaker 2: go alone. And meanwhile, I have to remember that she's
Speaker 2: super controlling, never let me out of her sight, never
Speaker 2: allowed me to play with any kids outside. It was
Speaker 2: always like she had to have a watchful eye on me.
Speaker 2: So she told me to run upstairs quickly to my
Speaker 2: cousin's place. So I grabbed the Atari joystick controller, the
Speaker 2: little black joystick with the red button on it. I
Speaker 2: don't know if you remember from the eighties, but I
Speaker 2: put it under my arm, and I had a trading
Speaker 2: a stack of trading cards that I wanted to take
Speaker 2: to my cousin's place. And I ran as fast as
Speaker 2: I could because I knew I didn't want my mom
Speaker 2: to change her mind. I remember the door slamming behind
Speaker 2: me when I left. So I'm running up the stairs
Speaker 2: flight of stairs. I didn't even take the elevator. I
Speaker 2: just ran up the stairs and I was trying to
Speaker 2: go as fast as I could. And as I went
Speaker 2: up the second flight of stairs, I see this strange
Speaker 2: looking kid standing there, and I froze, I froze. I
Speaker 2: just didn't recognize the kid. I didn't know who it was,
Speaker 2: but he looked very strange from where I was standing,
Speaker 2: and I didn't want to stare at him, because we
Speaker 2: were taught by my parents not to stare anyone. This
Speaker 2: person looked like if he had a deformity or hear
Speaker 2: it or she, I couldn't tell, so we were taught
Speaker 2: not to look at any not stare at people with
Speaker 2: a disability or handicap or deformity. Young children tend to
Speaker 2: do that when they're trying to understand and analyze what
Speaker 2: they're seeing and they're not used to seeing that. But us,
Speaker 2: as kids, we were taught by our parents not to
Speaker 2: stare because it was disrespectful. So as I walked up
Speaker 2: the stairs, I tried to pass on the left side
Speaker 2: of it or him, and tried to avoid looking in
Speaker 2: his face. And remembered the strange, oldor like a bad
Speaker 2: pungent smell, and it followed my movement, and then I
Speaker 2: turned and stared at it straight in the face. It
Speaker 2: was about my height, had a huge head about twice
Speaker 2: the size of mine. The only way I could describe
Speaker 2: the skin. It wasn't gray. It looked like a burn
Speaker 2: victim when somebody has probably disfigured burn scars that kind
Speaker 2: of tone and texture, shiny, kind of no hair, no
Speaker 2: hair at all, and had huge eyes and they were
Speaker 2: not black because I saw pupils, big pupils looking around
Speaker 2: at me, down and up, really tiny neck, really small neck.
Speaker 2: And the only way I could describe it at the
Speaker 2: time was a ballet outfit, because my older sister was
Speaker 2: in ballet and it was like a tight leotard. I
Speaker 2: don't know what they call ballet outfits that ballerinas wear,
Speaker 2: but it looked like that, but it was all black. Froze,
Speaker 2: I completely froze. I was scared out of my mind.
Speaker 2: It grabbed me by my left arm, and I remember
Speaker 2: that it had cold hands and it stabbed me in
Speaker 2: the forearm and a weird kind of spot with a
Speaker 2: metal like a silver object, like a metal stick. So
Speaker 2: I don't know how long that took because I was
Speaker 2: just frozen and out of fear. I don't know if
Speaker 2: it was just fear or hypnotize me or something. I
Speaker 2: don't know, but I was just frozen. Finally I came
Speaker 2: to and I ran as fast as I could up
Speaker 2: the stairs and I started to cry because I was
Speaker 2: like hysterically crying because I was scared, and I didn't
Speaker 2: turn around, and I ran upstairs to the fourth floor
Speaker 2: and I banged on the door as hard as I could.
Speaker 2: Finally my aunt answered the door and she was asking
Speaker 2: me what happened, and she didn't let me in. She
Speaker 2: was like, who is this kid? And I said, there's
Speaker 2: a kid. There's a kid. So she's looking down the rail,
Speaker 2: like to look down to the second floor if the
Speaker 2: kid was still there. And she was asking me, it's
Speaker 2: a neighbor. Do you know what's whose kid is it?
Speaker 2: And I just I couldn't explain it. I said, I
Speaker 2: don't know who it is. So anyway, she took me inside,
Speaker 2: and I remember she was trying to calm me down,
Speaker 2: and she took some alcohol that was in it. It
Speaker 2: was a green alcohol, which was kind of weird minty
Speaker 2: smelling thing, and she cleansed that spot. It wasn't bleeding,
Speaker 2: but I told her and there was something there. And
Speaker 2: I was in complete hysterics about the whole thing. And
Speaker 2: my cousin actually was there and he was just staring
Speaker 2: at me, and obviously I didn't want to play the
Speaker 2: Atari console anymore. So my aunt called my mom to
Speaker 2: come upstairs and get me, and my mom was livid.
Speaker 2: She was beyond angry because the first time she lets
Speaker 2: me out of her sight something happens to her kid.
Speaker 2: So obviously she was very upset, and she was also
Speaker 2: even more upset that she couldn't get a straight story
Speaker 2: out of me because I didn't know who the kid was,
Speaker 2: and she wanted to find out who did that to me.
Speaker 2: But there was something in my arm for many many
Speaker 2: years since that time. It was about the size of
Speaker 2: a grain of rice. It was dark, little. The only
Speaker 2: way I could describe it as a kid, with the
Speaker 2: experiences that I had to that point, I just I
Speaker 2: told my mom that he stabbed me with a pencil,
Speaker 2: but it was a silver If it was a pencil,
Speaker 2: would have been a pen because it was a silver object,
Speaker 2: and pencil wouldn't have left such a big object in
Speaker 2: the size of what it was in my arm. And
Speaker 2: you know, when I was a kid, my arm was
Speaker 2: pretty small, so it was pretty big, and I had
Speaker 2: it there for many, many years, for about thirty plus years,
Speaker 2: and about maybe ten years ago it just disappeared. It
Speaker 2: was not there anymore. I don't know what happened to it.
Speaker 2: I'd never heard about that before, you know. As I
Speaker 2: got older, I looked into about implants and people that
Speaker 2: are experiencers or abductees and they get things implanted into them,
Speaker 2: but it's usually in the nose. I think I heard
Speaker 2: once about a guy that had one put in his leg,
Speaker 2: and a researcher sent extracted it and sent it to
Speaker 2: be analyzed at an Ivy League school, but I never
Speaker 2: really heard anything about it. So the next one was
Speaker 2: in the same apartment. I was older. I was about
Speaker 2: fourteen fifteen years old. During that time, I became really
Speaker 2: good at having lucid dreams. I didn't know how to
Speaker 2: describe it. There was something that people didn't really talk about,
Speaker 2: but I was really good at lucid dreaming and controlling
Speaker 2: certain things in my dream. I enjoyed sleep at the time.
Speaker 2: I look forward to going to sleep because I had
Speaker 2: dreams where I was cognizant and I could control it.
Speaker 2: I had a lot of fun, like getting skills within
Speaker 2: the dream, and it was super difficult at first control.
Speaker 2: But the first thing that I mastered was just being
Speaker 2: aware that I was dreaming, and it took a long
Speaker 2: period of time to get that skill, but I finally
Speaker 2: got it. But anyway, one night, it was probably pretty
Speaker 2: late at night. I don't recall the time. I was
Speaker 2: asleep and I thought I was dreaming, but it felt
Speaker 2: completely different from a lucid dream, different feeling. I couldn't
Speaker 2: control it. I was aware I was in my room,
Speaker 2: I couldn't move, a sleep paralysis kind of situation. But
Speaker 2: I have never had that happen before, so that I
Speaker 2: could remember. I didn't see anyone or anything in the
Speaker 2: room other than my younger brother sleeping across from me.
Speaker 2: What I could remember was that I started to float
Speaker 2: up and I was frozen. I couldn't move, and I
Speaker 2: levitated off the bed and I went through the wall
Speaker 2: behind me. I remember I flew through above the headboard
Speaker 2: and through the wall, and when I went through the wall,
Speaker 2: everything went dark briefly, and next thing you know, I
Speaker 2: come out the other side and I'm on the street.
Speaker 2: And my family lived on the first floor, so I
Speaker 2: was right on the street level and I wasn't really scared.
Speaker 2: It's like a dream where you're not really you don't
Speaker 2: get surprised by it, but you know it's weird, but
Speaker 2: you're not really surprised by it. So I'm just floating
Speaker 2: and I start floating up, but not straight up. It
Speaker 2: was kind of like at an angle. So I'm able
Speaker 2: to move my neck just a tiny bit, and my eyes.
Speaker 2: I could move around. I was aware of what was happening,
Speaker 2: but I couldn't move my body. So I started floating
Speaker 2: up and I could see the cars, the street signs,
Speaker 2: the street post, you know, saying no parking here, fire hydrant,
Speaker 2: and I was just kind of observing everything, and I
Speaker 2: was pretty much a willing participant until I floated above
Speaker 2: a street light on the corner and I looked over
Speaker 2: it as I passed it, and I saw a metal
Speaker 2: strip containing serial numbers edged on it. And that's when
Speaker 2: I realized it was real. This was not a dream.
Speaker 2: And that's when I really freaked out and I became combative,
Speaker 2: and I didn't know where I was going, but I
Speaker 2: didn't want to go where I was heading, so I
Speaker 2: was kind of able to fight it, not with my body,
Speaker 2: just like kind of just fighting and saying I'm not going,
Speaker 2: I'm not going, really being combative in my mind and
Speaker 2: I don't even know who I was talking to, but
Speaker 2: I was just saying that I'm not going. And then
Speaker 2: I quickly reversed course, so I went back in a
Speaker 2: differ the ten I came out from. I went through
Speaker 2: the other side of the wall of my room, and
Speaker 2: I ended up on my bed, kind of floated up,
Speaker 2: kind of levitating above my bed, and then I went
Speaker 2: down really softly, and I remember that clearly because I
Speaker 2: started to come to like my body. I felt like
Speaker 2: it was sedated, but I was aware, like I was cognizant,
Speaker 2: and I had a really odd, cold, tangly sensation. That's
Speaker 2: when I started to feel. During the whole process of
Speaker 2: being levitating and levitating in the air, I felt nothing
Speaker 2: on my skin, felt nothing. The minute I was on
Speaker 2: my bed, I started to feel my body again and
Speaker 2: it was really like what I guess what they call
Speaker 2: pins and needles all over my body, on my skin
Speaker 2: and all my muscles. It was just all over. And
Speaker 2: then when I was able to sit up, I realized
Speaker 2: that that was not a dream. I was literally outside
Speaker 2: And it was the craziest experience because who do you
Speaker 2: talk to, who do you explain this to? And the
Speaker 2: only reason I think I broke the levitation was because
Speaker 2: I was able to lucid dream. I think that was
Speaker 2: my saving grace. Really, if I wasn't able to lose
Speaker 2: a dream, I don't think I would be able to
Speaker 2: get out of that. And that was something that took
Speaker 2: me a really long time to process because it was
Speaker 2: during that Yeah, I was around the eighties, mid eighties,
Speaker 2: late eighties when those shows like Here in America. There
Speaker 2: was a show called Unsolved Mysteries and a Current Affair,
Speaker 2: and they were kind of talking about abductions, but not
Speaker 2: in detail. So I couldn't really make the connection because
Speaker 2: I didn't see a craft. I just saw a light
Speaker 2: because I was going up to a light above the
Speaker 2: street lamp. But I didn't never saw a craft. I
Speaker 2: never went inside the craft think I might have been taken.
Speaker 2: So I couldn't really relate to the stories that I
Speaker 2: was hearing on Unsolved Mysteries. So that was a pretty
Speaker 2: significant experience in my early ten years. Had some other
Speaker 2: stuff happen, nothing that I would really want to talk
Speaker 2: about that was really remarkable, but I was older. This
Speaker 2: was around nineteen ninety seven, I was twenty one. I
Speaker 2: had moved out of my parents' home, still in New
Speaker 2: York City, and I was lego from a job that
Speaker 2: I had that I was working with nice severance pay,
Speaker 2: so I decided to take the summer off. And I
Speaker 2: started dating someone around that same time, and the relationship
Speaker 2: blossomed pretty quickly. And he had mentioned to me that
Speaker 2: his father lived in Florida. I was in the late
Speaker 2: stages of terminal cancer, so kind of fast forwarding through
Speaker 2: the story. He passed away a few weeks after we met,
Speaker 2: maybe a little month after we met, and the funeral
Speaker 2: was in Florida, and he asked me to accompany him
Speaker 2: to his dad's funeral, even though we barely really knew
Speaker 2: each other, but I decided to go, so we flew
Speaker 2: down to Fort Lauderdale. I met some of his family
Speaker 2: for the first time on the plane, and some of
Speaker 2: them there at the airport, and nine of us got
Speaker 2: into a rental van because we were driving up to Gainesville, Florida,
Speaker 2: which is no West I believe of Orlando. It's a
Speaker 2: small city for the funeral. And it was late night.
Speaker 2: It was around one thirty in the morning, and we
Speaker 2: were driving and everybody was kind of passing out, falling asleep,
Speaker 2: but I don't trust people that I don't know when
Speaker 2: they're driving, so I can't sleep. I can't get comfortable
Speaker 2: to sleep. So it's like around one thirty in the morning.
Speaker 2: It's a stretch of highway. It's on the Everglade section
Speaker 2: of the highway. I think it's seventy five that heads
Speaker 2: up towards Orlando, and there's no lamps, there's no street lights,
Speaker 2: just long stretches of road with wetlands around you, and
Speaker 2: all you can see are the lights from the opposite
Speaker 2: side of the oncoming traffic. That's the only light you
Speaker 2: could see, and maybe stars in the sky. And there
Speaker 2: was no moonlight. It was for whatever reason there was
Speaker 2: no moonlight. Then it was just pretty dark. So I'm
Speaker 2: leaning my head against the window and I look up
Speaker 2: and I see a light coming across, like shooting, like
Speaker 2: it's coming down, And it was not going straight across.
Speaker 2: It was kind of coming out down at an angle.
Speaker 2: And there was no contrail, there was no like, no smoke. No,
Speaker 2: it wasn't a comment. So then I started kind of rational,
Speaker 2: like what is it? What could it be? Could it
Speaker 2: be a street light? Could it be the reflection of
Speaker 2: the other side of a car coming from the opposite direction.
Speaker 2: I couldn't really figure out what it was. And then
Speaker 2: finally the thing just was. I want to say it
Speaker 2: was about mile and half away from the highway, but
Speaker 2: it was about a mile and half away and about
Speaker 2: five hundred feet in the air, pretty low to the ground,
Speaker 2: and so it's flying. Then it just suddenly stops in
Speaker 2: the air and it starts to glow and grow in size.
Speaker 2: So it was kind of like an orange color, and
Speaker 2: then I started changing colors like white and blue, and
Speaker 2: at that point I freaked out. So I start freaking
Speaker 2: out in the car. I'm like yelling at everybody that
Speaker 2: these people are I just met a few like an
Speaker 2: hour ago, and I'm freaking out. I'm like, what the
Speaker 2: hell is that? What is that in the sky, And
Speaker 2: you know, everybody's like waking up all groggy, and so
Speaker 2: I told the driver, I said, oh my god, you
Speaker 2: have to stop the car. What is that? So we
Speaker 2: all stopped and we looked, and that's when they started
Speaker 2: seeing the same thing I was. And this thing was
Speaker 2: just glowing brighter and brighter and brighter and changing colors,
Speaker 2: and other people on the highway also started stopping behind us,
Speaker 2: and one guy pulled up in front of us, and
Speaker 2: everybody's watching the same thing that we couldn't explain what
Speaker 2: it was, and then it started to descend really slowly.
Speaker 2: It stayed a blue color as it descended, and it
Speaker 2: just disappeared behind some grass and we didn't know what
Speaker 2: it was. Everybody was kind of on the side of
Speaker 2: the highway just talking to each other. With other drivers,
Speaker 2: we were like, what was that? You know. Some people
Speaker 2: were joking saying it was just a UFO ufo. Some
Speaker 2: people were trying to explain it as a Harrier jet,
Speaker 2: like those jets that can kind of levitate and then
Speaker 2: come straight down. But I looked it up on the
Speaker 2: internet from Harrier jets at nighttime landings and looked nothing
Speaker 2: like that, nothing at all. And everybody was amazed about it,
Speaker 2: but we didn't speak about it again. I think, Nick,
Speaker 2: I heard on one of your podcasts that you call it,
Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong. I think you call it
Speaker 2: alien apathy. Okay, great, yeah, because I had never heard
Speaker 2: that expression before, and everybody was just kind of not
Speaker 2: even talking about it, and not surprising because the patriarch
Speaker 2: of the family passed away, but the only person I
Speaker 2: wanted to talk about it with me was the widow
Speaker 2: who I met that night, and I kind of didn't
Speaker 2: want to talk about it with her because she had
Speaker 2: just lost her husband, so but she was really really
Speaker 2: intrigued by what we saw. But I didn't really speak
Speaker 2: to anybody else about it. But I had never heard
Speaker 2: of an ORB before that, I had never seen a
Speaker 2: picture of an ORB, and this was witnessed by multiple people.
Speaker 2: It wasn't just me, and I couldn't wrap my head
Speaker 2: around it, and I couldn't find information about it since
Speaker 2: the Internet was kind of in its infancy at that time.
Speaker 2: The books that I looked at in the bookstores, they
Speaker 2: had no mentions of orbs, at least nothing like what
Speaker 2: I saw. They were usually the really tiny ones. So
Speaker 2: after a while I started questioning what I saw, like, well,
Speaker 2: did I really see what I saw?
Speaker 3: On?
Speaker 2: Was it what I think I saw? And then you
Speaker 2: start kind of just putting it in the back of
Speaker 2: your mind, putting it away and just wanting to forget it.
Speaker 2: But that was another experience. Then when it got really
Speaker 2: cramped up. It was August of twenty ten. I was
Speaker 2: working at an airport here in New York called Guardia
Speaker 2: is one of the three major airports in New York City.
Speaker 2: That was bartending. It's early morning, and I woke up
Speaker 2: really sick that morning with flue light symptoms, and I
Speaker 2: had to go to work because I couldn't call out
Speaker 2: of work because I couldn't get anyone to replace me
Speaker 2: at that time. It was like I had to be
Speaker 2: at like six am to barteness Sam. I don't ask
Speaker 2: me why, but they made me bartendess six am, even
Speaker 2: though the bar wasn't open. And I was in a
Speaker 2: new relationship while we lived together in the Queen's section
Speaker 2: of New York City. I was about fifteen minutes away
Speaker 2: from the airport that I worked at, and Tea worked
Speaker 2: at the same place as well. He was bartending at
Speaker 2: the same time, and when my shifts ended, I asked
Speaker 2: him to pick me up because I was just so tired.
Speaker 2: I felt horrible, horrible, horrible, and I didn't want to
Speaker 2: walk home. I didn't want to take public transport, and
Speaker 2: ride share was not a thing yet at that time,
Speaker 2: so I would have to find a taxi and I
Speaker 2: was down in the move, so I asked him to
Speaker 2: pick me up in our car. Once I got home,
Speaker 2: I laid down in bed and I was miserable. I
Speaker 2: had a fever, chills, everything you could think of. And
Speaker 2: I as I was laying that we closed all the
Speaker 2: blinds because I was feeling miserable. I didn't even want
Speaker 2: sunlight to come through. I got a strong feeling. It
Speaker 2: was the first time that ever happened. It was like
Speaker 2: a strong, overwhelming feeling that I had to go lay
Speaker 2: in the sun in Flushing Metals Park. Now, Flushing Metals
Speaker 2: Park is a pretty big park in Queens. It's pretty
Speaker 2: deep into Queens to where the US Open is held
Speaker 2: every year, where Arthur ash Stadium is where the US
Speaker 2: Open is held. And I think one of the men
Speaker 2: in Black Movies was filmed there where they have those
Speaker 2: big towers where they turned the spaceships or whatever. But
Speaker 2: that's the park. But I had a really strong feeling
Speaker 2: to go there. I couldn't explain why. So I told
Speaker 2: my partner at him and said let's go, and he
Speaker 2: was not in the mood to go, and I really
Speaker 2: want to go. I need to lay in the sun.
Speaker 2: I need to lay in the sun. And he reluctantly agreed,
Speaker 2: and we took the subway there. Out of all things,
Speaker 2: which was when I'm not feeling good, which was kind
Speaker 2: of weird. I took the subway there, and I'm not
Speaker 2: a big fan of that park, to be honest, because
Speaker 2: it's kind of a ways from where it's not easy
Speaker 2: to get to from where I was, and nicer parks
Speaker 2: that were closer than to where I lived. But for
Speaker 2: some reason I wanted to go there, and we laid
Speaker 2: out in the grass. We had some stuff to drink,
Speaker 2: and he was being grumpy because he didn't want to
Speaker 2: be there, and he was giving me the silent treatment,
Speaker 2: so I couldn't really say anything. But I was just
Speaker 2: laying in the sun. It was hot. It was really hot.
Speaker 2: It was in August, so it was very very hot.
Speaker 2: And mind you, I have a fever, so I don't
Speaker 2: know the logic and that. But anyway, as I was
Speaker 2: laying there, I looked over at a tree at a
Speaker 2: distance it was probably about maybe about five hundred feet away,
Speaker 2: and I noticed something flying in the air. It was
Speaker 2: just hovering, and the usual thing you try to make
Speaker 2: out what it is, you try to do a process
Speaker 2: of elimination. It was a blimp, a kite. Drones were
Speaker 2: not a thing back in twenty ten at least not
Speaker 2: commercial drones, and we were not too far from it.
Speaker 2: It wasn't making any sound, it didn't move it. It
Speaker 2: wasn't a balloon because it was in the same position
Speaker 2: for like a good solid four or five minutes before
Speaker 2: I even said anything. And I have to say, it
Speaker 2: was a stereotypical flying saucer. It was exactly what they described,
Speaker 2: And you know, I didn't want to believe it. I
Speaker 2: didn't want to. I didn't want that to be my
Speaker 2: conclusion that it's a flying saucer. So I told my
Speaker 2: partner at the time, I said, look at that, what
Speaker 2: is it? And he went through the same thing. Oh,
Speaker 2: it's a balloon, a helicopter, even though they didn't have
Speaker 2: any rotors and it wasn't making any sound. It's a
Speaker 2: blimp flattened out, too small to be a blimp, although
Speaker 2: a lot of blimps did fly around that area because
Speaker 2: there's a baseball stadium nearby, but it was not a blimp.
Speaker 2: So we're looking at it and staring and he takes
Speaker 2: out his It was one of the early I don't
Speaker 2: think it was the first version of the iPhone. It
Speaker 2: might have been the second iPhone. That came out at
Speaker 2: the time, I don't really remember. He had one of
Speaker 2: the second or third generation, and he snapped the picture
Speaker 2: of it with the camera and when we zoomed in,
Speaker 2: we got details and it was exactly what a flying
Speaker 2: saucer is supposed to look like. And at that point
Speaker 2: we were just like frozen. So we were staring at
Speaker 2: for about a good eight minutes the same spot. All
Speaker 2: of a sudden, it wobbled, did a little wobble, and
Speaker 2: it shot straight up vertically like so fast. I mean
Speaker 2: when people say fast, thousands of miles an hour, I
Speaker 2: can't even say it was thousands of miles an hour
Speaker 2: because it was so fast that it just looked like
Speaker 2: a streak of its color that just went straight up
Speaker 2: in the air. It was so quick. There's no rocket
Speaker 2: that we have. They can go that fast. You can't
Speaker 2: even move a light. I think it was faster than
Speaker 2: speed a light because it was just a streak in
Speaker 2: the air. And at that point we started freaking out
Speaker 2: and we're just like kind of we're being a little
Speaker 2: bit loud, and there were some people laying next to us,
Speaker 2: so we told them, we're like, did you guys see that?
Speaker 2: And they were with a baby, and they kind of thought,
Speaker 2: what are these guys on Are they smoking or are
Speaker 2: they drinking something? And they're like no, and he showed
Speaker 2: them the picture of the thing next to the tree,
Speaker 2: and so they were intrigued by it. And about maybe
Speaker 2: three minutes later, two fighter jets flew right over the
Speaker 2: same position that the UFO was before it shot up.
Speaker 2: And that's when those people to us believed us because
Speaker 2: they were like, oh, wow, that's crazy because those fighter
Speaker 2: jets would not fly in that because that's near LaGuardia
Speaker 2: Airport and that's where the planes come in for landing,
Speaker 2: so you would have to kind of reroute the landing
Speaker 2: path for the planes going into LaGuardia. And that's when
Speaker 2: we knew we saw something significant. It was like, without
Speaker 2: a shadow of a doubt that we did see a UFO,
Speaker 2: and that started the journey down the rabbit hole for
Speaker 2: me when I needed to figure out what that was.
Speaker 2: And luckily my partner at the time he was the
Speaker 2: same way. He was the first person I had ever
Speaker 2: met that really got into it and really wanted to
Speaker 2: find out about it, not just ignore it or sweep
Speaker 2: it under the rock. He really wanted to look into
Speaker 2: it with me, and it was good to have someone
Speaker 2: next to me, because when you experienced something like that,
Speaker 2: it could be pretty isolating. You don't really have anyone
Speaker 2: to talk to about these kind of things. There's not
Speaker 2: even a lot of resources online, or there wasn't at
Speaker 2: the time, not a lot of good stuff. You had
Speaker 2: to read through the garbage really to find any good
Speaker 2: information about what these things might be. So that was
Speaker 2: a pretty significant sighting. And I do have the picture.
Speaker 2: I have the picture. It's a really clear picture. It's
Speaker 2: a little pixelated because it was one of the resolution
Speaker 2: on those early phones weren't that great, but it's pretty
Speaker 2: clear to see. I have to find it. It's on
Speaker 2: a device called the time machine. It's called the Apple
Speaker 2: time Machine. It was like a backup data storage for computers,
Speaker 2: and I had three different computers, so I have about
Speaker 2: maybe twenty thirty thousand pictures that the dates are not
Speaker 2: properly noted on the picture, so I'm sure it's in there,
Speaker 2: so I have to find that. I wasn't able to
Speaker 2: find it in time for the podcast, but it is
Speaker 2: a really amazing picture. I'll have to look for that
Speaker 2: for you.
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Speaker 2: X and then I only have I think they have
Speaker 2: two more to share. So that same partner that I had,
Speaker 2: we ended up moving to Sweden. He was Swedish, and
Speaker 2: we moved to a city called Malma. It's in the
Speaker 2: south of Sweden near the closest city is probably Copenhagen, Denmark,
Speaker 2: the country of Denmark, very close to Denmark. We moved there.
Speaker 2: I got a job there and he was was going
Speaker 2: back to school and we lived in the central of
Speaker 2: Malman and the park called Slussen, pretty small, little neighborhood,
Speaker 2: so it was next setting I saw. I was pretty significant.
Speaker 2: It was on December thirty first, twenty eleven. It was
Speaker 2: New Year's Eve. He was at work. He was working
Speaker 2: for the Hilton at the time in Triangan, which is
Speaker 2: kind of the central Malma. It was a hotel at
Speaker 2: the time. He was working there, and he was getting
Speaker 2: off and I was waiting for him to get off
Speaker 2: of work and we were going to go celebrate with
Speaker 2: his family Year's Eve. So I was in my kitchen
Speaker 2: waiting to go and meet him. But I went on
Speaker 2: sky with a friend of mine who was in the
Speaker 2: States and he was in Sedona, Arizona. And when he
Speaker 2: got he told me he was in Sedona and I said, oh,
Speaker 2: you just jokingly said you should keep an eye because
Speaker 2: that's Ufu country out there, and we both laughed about it.
Speaker 2: He didn't believe in any of that. Never really could
Speaker 2: speak to him about any of it. So I was
Speaker 2: in my kitchen. I was in the kitchen table facing
Speaker 2: my windows. So these windows, I don't I guess what
Speaker 2: they're called. In English, they are called inns swing casement windows,
Speaker 2: which they kind of open like a door sort of.
Speaker 2: They can open outwards or inwards or kind of lean
Speaker 2: out for airflow. And I was facing the windows and
Speaker 2: three huge ones, and I was talking to him. It
Speaker 2: were just I remember what we were talking about. But
Speaker 2: from the corner of my eye, I see fireball just
Speaker 2: floating right up the same level as my window, and
Speaker 2: it's moving really erradically, kind of like sort of bouncing around.
Speaker 2: And so I see it and I'm talking to him
Speaker 2: and I said, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on a minute.
Speaker 2: So I go up to the window and like I said,
Speaker 2: the door, the window opens like a door inward. So
Speaker 2: I opened it and I could see it. It was
Speaker 2: a fireball. And Nick, this is an important part that
Speaker 2: I kind of have to interrupt the story. The reason
Speaker 2: why I wanted to share any of these experiences with
Speaker 2: you on your podcast was because you had another guests
Speaker 2: on and I think the show was called Minnesota Skies,
Speaker 2: and I believe his name was Matthew, and he was
Speaker 2: the first person that I had ever heard explain this
Speaker 2: orb because I believe he saw it at thirteen, and
Speaker 2: he saw it again as later on as an adult,
Speaker 2: and he described it as lava. And all I kept
Speaker 2: saying when I was trying to describe it. I was
Speaker 2: saying it looked like the sun, and he said the
Speaker 2: same thing. It was like the sun. It was a
Speaker 2: energy flowing into itself. Instead of how do you see
Speaker 2: you know stock footage of the sun, the energy is
Speaker 2: going outward, you know, everything shooting outward. This was going
Speaker 2: inward and it was orange and white, had tones of yellow,
Speaker 2: and I could almost wear I heard like a buzzing,
Speaker 2: but I don't know if it was coming from that
Speaker 2: or maybe the building across the street, but it had
Speaker 2: like like a little buzz sound. So at that point,
Speaker 2: I grabbed my computer and I took took it to
Speaker 2: the window and I told my friend, can you see
Speaker 2: what I'm seeing right now? And he said, yeah, what
Speaker 2: is that? And I said, it's a ball of fire.
Speaker 2: And then he says, who's controlling that? I don't know.
Speaker 2: There's nobody in the street. There's literally nobody in the street.
Speaker 2: And he said, what is that. The whole time my
Speaker 2: phone was sitting there, my iPhone, not once did I
Speaker 2: ever think to pick it up and film it, Not
Speaker 2: even once. I was just trying to figure out what
Speaker 2: it was. Number one, number two. I was trying to
Speaker 2: figure out was it dangerous number. And then I'm trying
Speaker 2: to figure out am I dreaming right now? Because this
Speaker 2: is not supposed to exist. So the thing is, I
Speaker 2: felt like it was staring at me. I really felt
Speaker 2: like it was watching me and my friend on Skypseid.
Speaker 2: I think, I think it's scoping you out. And he
Speaker 2: was joking and I said, I cannot believe what I'm
Speaker 2: witnessing right now. So it kind of started floating away,
Speaker 2: and it flew across the street. There was a a
Speaker 2: building that was lower. I lived in a tall apartment building,
Speaker 2: but there was a like a designer furniture store right
Speaker 2: across the street, but it was only one level, and
Speaker 2: there were two people at that point that started coming
Speaker 2: walking off. So I yelled at them, man Sweeters, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, look up, do you see that? And They're like,
Speaker 2: what the hell are you talking about? They're just looking
Speaker 2: at me, like are you drunk? So the thing just
Speaker 2: flew up and flew away, and as crazy as it sounds,
Speaker 2: it flew up pretty slowly, and it turned into a
Speaker 2: star that you see in the night sky. And I
Speaker 2: know it sounds really cliche, but that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 2: Any star that you could see on a bright, bright,
Speaker 2: starry night. That's what it turned into. And it sounds corny,
Speaker 2: but it's exactly what happened. And your guest explained that,
Speaker 2: and when he explained it, it really hit me and
Speaker 2: I said, I have to share my story too, because
Speaker 2: I can't believe that someone else saw what I saw
Speaker 2: and explained it the same better than what I even
Speaker 2: was able to explain it. So that was a pretty
Speaker 2: significant sighting with somebody else also, and that person just chose,
Speaker 2: the person that witnessed it with me online, just chose
Speaker 2: to ignore it. They didn't want to talk about it,
Speaker 2: they didn't want to, you know, look into it, moving
Speaker 2: on with life, and I just couldn't. I could not
Speaker 2: move on with life. I just had to figure out
Speaker 2: what it was that was in Sweden. And nothing else
Speaker 2: happened after that. I mean, I never had anything in
Speaker 2: the apartment. I've had parisions passing through in other apartments,
Speaker 2: you know, stuff I'm not going to discuss today, But
Speaker 2: nothing in that apartment ever happened inside. It was just
Speaker 2: that one orb that it was about the size of
Speaker 2: what the I guess they're called medicine balls that they
Speaker 2: used at the gym. It was about that size, and
Speaker 2: it was really bright, but it was contained light, like
Speaker 2: it wasn't shining light anywhere, but it was like contained
Speaker 2: within itself. And that's the only way I could describe it.
Speaker 2: But it was a pretty significant sighting. And then the
Speaker 2: next one is I moved back to New York City.
Speaker 2: This was September first, twenty fifteen. I was living alone.
Speaker 2: Moved back to the same building I lived in Queens,
Speaker 2: but a different apartment on the same floor. But I
Speaker 2: was pretty happy and that building was close to the city.
Speaker 2: I had no complaints about it. I love living there.
Speaker 2: So I moved back. But I brought my cat from
Speaker 2: Sweden and she was living with me in the apartment.
Speaker 2: And I've had this cat since she was a kid,
Speaker 2: and pretty consistent behavior. She was always playful, slept a lot,
Speaker 2: normal cat stuff. But then one day she started acting
Speaker 2: bizarrely like she started staring at things at the wall
Speaker 2: for a good twenty thirty minutes and kind of following
Speaker 2: something something that I couldn't see, and I thought it
Speaker 2: was maybe a bug flu in. I don't know what
Speaker 2: is she staring at it. I didn't see anything or
Speaker 2: like a dust or something but she would mew and
Speaker 2: sept incessantly, and just she would wake up and just
Speaker 2: be I'd wake up and she'd be staring at something
Speaker 2: at the wall, and I'm like, and I'd have to
Speaker 2: snap her out of it. I'd be like, her name
Speaker 2: is Misho, and I'd be like, me should snap out
Speaker 2: of it. And I had mentioned it to some of
Speaker 2: my friends. I'm like, she's acting really bizarrely. I mean,
Speaker 2: I even thought about taking her to a vet to
Speaker 2: see maybe she had like dementia, early stages of dementia.
Speaker 2: But I had a surveillance camera in the apartment. I
Speaker 2: had two of them, actually, and one I had facing
Speaker 2: in the bedroom and had one facing the front door
Speaker 2: for security and also to watch her to see what
Speaker 2: she's doing, because I would work long hours sometimes and
Speaker 2: I'd feel bad that she was by herself. She was
Speaker 2: kind of a needy cat. But one day I was
Speaker 2: at work and the camera just motion. It was motion censored,
Speaker 2: so it would send me nap an image of anything
Speaker 2: that would move in front of the camera, and it
Speaker 2: snapped several pictures in a row with nothing in it.
Speaker 2: My cat was not in it. It was just blank
Speaker 2: blank blank blank blank so one of them. It was
Speaker 2: a series of pictures. So I was at work, I
Speaker 2: did really pay attention to it, but on my way home,
Speaker 2: I started kind of reviewing the images, and in the
Speaker 2: image there was a captured an entity floating above a
Speaker 2: chair that I had that I used to block the
Speaker 2: closet because the cat learned how to open the closet
Speaker 2: door and she would rummage through my clothes and there
Speaker 2: would be fur all over it and I would have
Speaker 2: to spend, you know, twenty thirty minutes cleaning one pair
Speaker 2: of black pants. So I would put a desk chair
Speaker 2: in front of it to block it, and this entity
Speaker 2: was floating above it, and you can see it clearly.
Speaker 2: I'm going to send you that when Nick I sent
Speaker 2: you to the same one and captured that image. So
Speaker 2: that's when I knew that's what what the cat was
Speaker 2: looking at. I knew right away that's what the cat
Speaker 2: was seeing. It was seeing something that I could not
Speaker 2: and this camera captured something I could not see. So
Speaker 2: the next day I was freaking out. I just was
Speaker 2: looking online everything, just trying to find anything I could
Speaker 2: about what I was experiencing at home. I had experienced
Speaker 2: things before, but I had never really captured anything. I
Speaker 2: never saw them since I was a kid. I remember
Speaker 2: seeing those things walking around in my parents' house, but
Speaker 2: you know, as I grew up older, I never saw
Speaker 2: them until I moved back into this apartment. So I
Speaker 2: was in bookstores trying to figure out, picking up a
Speaker 2: bunch of books, just a lot of garbage to sort through,
Speaker 2: or things that were irrelevant, like stuff in the nineteen
Speaker 2: twenties ponted hotels, that nothing that I could really reference
Speaker 2: for what I was going through. And I remember I
Speaker 2: picked up one book. This was the very next day
Speaker 2: it happened. I picked up one book at a bookstore
Speaker 2: called Barnes and Noble here in America. And I picked
Speaker 2: up one book and I started sorting through it, and
Speaker 2: it was great. I had a lot of information about
Speaker 2: spirits and dead and not in a religious kind of way,
Speaker 2: no religio, not in a religious connotation, but it was
Speaker 2: kind of just in spirit realm and just sorting through
Speaker 2: the book. I loved it. But then at one point
Speaker 2: I was just no, I can't, I can't, I can't
Speaker 2: go down that rabbit hole again. So I put the
Speaker 2: book back. I put it right back, and so I
Speaker 2: went to work. I went straight to work. So I worked.
Speaker 2: I was bartending again the Suzari Waterfront Pop property in
Speaker 2: the By the Seaport area by Seul Street Seaport in
Speaker 2: New York City, and my manager came up to me
Speaker 2: and they said, listen, we have a big event happening tonight.
Speaker 2: It's the Dutch and wrap up for a TV show
Speaker 2: and it's going to be about one hundred and fifty people.
Speaker 2: You're the only bars there tonight, and I said, and
Speaker 2: they asked, can you handle it? I was like, of course, man,
Speaker 2: I've been doing this for god knows how many years.
Speaker 2: I could do this in my sleep. So they said,
Speaker 2: it's for a TV show called The Long Island Medium
Speaker 2: And I said, where do I Where did I hear
Speaker 2: about that? And it was the same book I had
Speaker 2: picked up earlier that day that her name is Teresa Kakuro.
Speaker 2: She wrote the book regarding the Spirits, and she was
Speaker 2: she showed up at my job that same night, so
Speaker 2: I was just floored. I said, there's no way that
Speaker 2: that's too much of a coincidence. No way, But anyway,
Speaker 2: the party started, it was got so busy and I
Speaker 2: really wanted to try to talk to her, but it
Speaker 2: was just too busy for me. I couldn't get any
Speaker 2: opportunity to get close to her. And they were actually
Speaker 2: sitting outside and I was indoors in the bar inside,
Speaker 2: and so we were starting to wrap up, and I said, okay, well,
Speaker 2: I guess I didn't have a chance to talk to her.
Speaker 2: What are you going to do? It's just a weird coincidence.
Speaker 2: All of a sudden, she walks through, she walks into
Speaker 2: my area and she comes straight to me, and she
Speaker 2: asked me, do you know where the waitress is? And
Speaker 2: I said no, as she said, oh, because I just
Speaker 2: need to talk to her. And I asked her, is
Speaker 2: everything okay? And she said, yeah, everything's great. I just
Speaker 2: want to open another tab and we're going to stay
Speaker 2: a little bit longer. And I said, oh, yeah, of course,
Speaker 2: it's no problem. I can start that for you. We
Speaker 2: can just reopen it. And I said, I'm so sorry, Teresa.
Speaker 2: My name is Leo. I really have to talk to
Speaker 2: you for a second, and she said, yeah, what's up?
Speaker 2: And I explained to her the story of what I
Speaker 2: was going through. And at this point everybody started kind
Speaker 2: of around this because they wanted to hear what I
Speaker 2: was saying to her and what her response was going
Speaker 2: to be. And she was really sweet about it, and
Speaker 2: she told me, I know she goes. I could tell
Speaker 2: you have a lot of energy that attracts energy like
Speaker 2: attracts like she goes. I could tell she's right away.
Speaker 2: And she said that she also has camera set up
Speaker 2: in her back area and the she said there's a
Speaker 2: lot of things that she captures on camera. And I
Speaker 2: told her, I've seen these things since I was a kid,
Speaker 2: and she said, don't worry about it. Don't go crazy
Speaker 2: trying to figure out what it is. You have a
Speaker 2: good energy. Nothing ever is going to come to you
Speaker 2: with a bad energy. And I remember she said that
Speaker 2: to me, and I said, thank you so much for
Speaker 2: saying that, and I'm really sorry for bothering you. She said, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: she goes, not at all. She goes, if you need anything,
Speaker 2: just shoot me an email and she goes, anything happens,
Speaker 2: I can let me know. And she was really sweet
Speaker 2: about it. And I said, may I take a picture
Speaker 2: with you, because if I tell this story to anyone,
Speaker 2: no one would ever believe me. And she was so
Speaker 2: sweet about it. And that's one of the pictures I
Speaker 2: sent you with her when I was bartending. That was
Speaker 2: beyond a coincidence, you know, like what I could say
Speaker 2: about something like that happening. Yeah, I moved around after that.
Speaker 2: I lived in Los Angeles, in Miami, nothing happened. Nothing
Speaker 2: happened in those apartments. There's no weird knockings, no sidings,
Speaker 2: absolutely nothing. And this I lived in LA during COVID.
Speaker 2: I was indoors a lot of the time. Nothing ever
Speaker 2: happened in my apartment in Santa Monica, lived in Miami,
Speaker 2: then finally I moved back to New York and now
Speaker 2: I'm in Hoboken, And this is where I'm going to
Speaker 2: kind of start wrapping up and why I wanted to
Speaker 2: talk about this because I became sober recently, and I
Speaker 2: think that that kind of opened up my communication to
Speaker 2: these things. Sober from alcohol, not from drugs or anything,
Speaker 2: but I think it opened up my communication with these
Speaker 2: things because I've been I started spotting them again and
Speaker 2: they're letting me know they're there. And I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you've heard this from other people on your podcast.
Speaker 2: I was sitting on my balcony. I think this was
Speaker 2: I think I sent you a video of that. On
Speaker 2: June thirteenth. I was just sitting looking at the city.
Speaker 2: I have a clear city view of Manhattan on the
Speaker 2: balcony and just kind of relaxing. It was a beautiful
Speaker 2: day and something in my head it was like a
Speaker 2: voice that said turn around. And I turned around and
Speaker 2: there was black triangle UFO. It was pretty high up.
Speaker 2: I mean it was just hovering. And now I'm not
Speaker 2: so much a little bit more quicker on the trigger
Speaker 2: to be able to take a picture. But for that one,
Speaker 2: I called my friend. I was trying to get someone
Speaker 2: on FaceTime video call to see this. Kept calling her
Speaker 2: and she's like, I'm in the shower. I'm in the shower.
Speaker 2: I said, oh, you got a coup I have a
Speaker 2: UFO right in front of me. So by then, by
Speaker 2: the time I hung up with her, it started to
Speaker 2: float away, but it sent me a message in it
Speaker 2: let me know it was there. There was another time also,
Speaker 2: that's another short kind of clip, and I was actually,
Speaker 2: if you're ined the clip today, Nick, When I was
Speaker 2: going through the video, I didn't realize there were four
Speaker 2: orbs there because it was a really bright day and
Speaker 2: I only saw three. When you look at the video
Speaker 2: this four. I just realized it today, And this happened
Speaker 2: last year. I was coming out of a supermarket and
Speaker 2: the same thing just said, look up, looked tough and
Speaker 2: there were these Now I guess four orbs. I thought
Speaker 2: it was three until I looked at the video today.
Speaker 2: Four orbs flying right above me in the daylight. It
Speaker 2: was not like these things happened at night. And you know,
Speaker 2: I don't want to say that I'm anything special or like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to sound like I have a delusions
Speaker 2: of grandeur or anything. I just trying to figure out
Speaker 2: what this all means because I'm experiencing things that are
Speaker 2: not supposed to be real. It's just supposed to be folklore.
Speaker 2: And I'm trying to get information. And that's one of
Speaker 2: the reasons why I wanted to come on here and
Speaker 2: talk to you, Nick, because I know you've heard so
Speaker 2: many stories, so many accounts, and you probably have a
Speaker 2: lot of pieces to the puzzle, but maybe not the
Speaker 2: whole puzzles. We don't have full disclosure. I wanted to
Speaker 2: come forward, especially because of your guests from that show,
Speaker 2: and talk about it. And also there's a lot of
Speaker 2: people coming forward, like really high ranking people that are
Speaker 2: coming forward with information about experiencing things. And it's not
Speaker 2: like before where they would report these things on the
Speaker 2: news and they would you know, preface the story with
Speaker 2: like talking about Little Green Men, or they would have
Speaker 2: the X Files music playing on the background. It's definitely
Speaker 2: taken a lot more serious now and I kind of
Speaker 2: feel more inclined to talk about it. So that's one
Speaker 2: of the reasons why I wanted to, you know, tell
Speaker 2: my story, and I appreciate you giving me the opportunity
Speaker 2: to do so wonderful stuff. Leo.
Speaker 5: First things, First, congratulations on remaining sober. How long has
Speaker 5: it been now?
Speaker 2: Thank you. It's been about thirty some days. But I
Speaker 2: had a few stints where there were like forty five
Speaker 2: days last year, longer periods, but now it's like really stuck.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's good. It's not an easy thing to overcome.
Speaker 5: Keep doing it. It's way better for you. Yeah, So
Speaker 5: anyone else struggling out there, listen to Leo. It is
Speaker 5: completely possible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And I think that they're coming around more
Speaker 2: because now I'm more clear headed, I sleep better, I'm
Speaker 2: able to get insights on a lot of different things
Speaker 2: that I wasn't able to be in the past when
Speaker 2: I was. You know, I was never really like a heavy,
Speaker 2: heavy drinker, but I know that I was drinking more
Speaker 2: than I should have, and it was something I just
Speaker 2: wanted to cut out completely. So I'm really glad that
Speaker 2: I did, and thank you for that. I appreciate you
Speaker 2: saying that.
Speaker 5: Just going back to the Long Island medium, we don't
Speaker 5: really believe in coincidences on this show, this definitely does
Speaker 5: seem like synchronicity. You know, you picked up a book
Speaker 5: in the bookstore and then you ended up working at
Speaker 5: a place where she was that very evening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a pretty big shock because I didn't
Speaker 2: know who she was. To be honest, I didn't watch TV.
Speaker 2: I'm not a big TV watcher, and I had never
Speaker 2: really heard about her, To be honest, I was more
Speaker 2: amazed that it was the person that wrote the book,
Speaker 2: and she was the only author that I picked up
Speaker 2: that day that really resonated with her message, really resonated
Speaker 2: with what I needed to hear with my experience. I
Speaker 2: had gone through a lot of books and I just
Speaker 2: was not impression. It was just stuff that I wasn't
Speaker 2: really explaining anything, but her book was really good, and yeah,
Speaker 2: I was kind of weird that she ended up showing
Speaker 2: up that night, So, yeah, you're right. I don't think
Speaker 2: there aren't any coincidences in life.
Speaker 5: No, I don't know. I think we're on a path
Speaker 5: and people come into our lives for whatever reason, and
Speaker 5: you know, whether it's to teach something or for us
Speaker 5: to teach them maybe, But this does happen time after time.
Speaker 2: I hear this absolutely, And a friend of mine mentioned
Speaker 2: something to me also about that she doesn't think it
Speaker 2: is a coincidence about the New Jersey drone happening and
Speaker 2: I moved here about a year ago. Maybe she said,
Speaker 2: I just don't think it's a quincy because I had
Speaker 2: mentioned it to her before they were being reported, because
Speaker 2: I could have a goo advantage point pretty far from
Speaker 2: where I am and Hoboken, but I can see them
Speaker 2: late at night on a cleared night, I saw many
Speaker 2: of them, and I couldn't see the way they're being
Speaker 2: filmed on the news, but they would be floating very
Speaker 2: low to the ground for hours. And I know because
Speaker 2: I have the view that I have is unobstructed. There's
Speaker 2: no other tall building blocking mine. I have a great
Speaker 2: view of the city and a great view west and
Speaker 2: all of these were west of where I am, and
Speaker 2: they were pretty significant things, not good enough for me
Speaker 2: to film, but I can see them. They were just bright.
Speaker 2: They turn it to really bright, shiny objects and they
Speaker 2: start shooting things to the ground. Witnessed their way before
Speaker 2: they were being reported, and I'm like, okay, good, somebody's
Speaker 2: talking about it. We need to know what it is.
Speaker 2: Then something very strange that happened. Also, This was after
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving here in the US. It was probably the end
Speaker 2: of November. There was a during that time that they
Speaker 2: were really being reported heavily on the news. Really thick
Speaker 2: fog came through here. I don't know if you've heard
Speaker 2: about that. There's a lot a phenomenon here in different
Speaker 2: parts of the country. They don't know what it is.
Speaker 2: They think it's like some man made thing. But it
Speaker 2: was coming from that area from west and it was
Speaker 2: a really thick, fast moving fog. It enveloped the whole
Speaker 2: of Hoboken, so thick that you couldn't even I couldn't
Speaker 2: even see down to the street from where I am.
Speaker 2: And I'm used to fog because I lived in California,
Speaker 2: and I can see when the fog was coming off
Speaker 2: the ocean into off the Pacific Ocean into Santa Monica.
Speaker 2: It's a slow moving thing. It takes like a good
Speaker 2: forty five minutes to an hour before you see it
Speaker 2: from there coming into land. This moved really quickly. A
Speaker 2: few weeks later, I started being reported like some phenomenon,
Speaker 2: like some weird fog. That's another weird thing that happened here.
Speaker 2: I don't know, don't. I can't tell you Nick what
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that fog was strange, I believe. Also at the
Speaker 5: same time it happened in the United Kingdom.
Speaker 2: Oh really, it was reported there, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Exactly the same time as it was happening in the US.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And it was weird because this happened weeks before
Speaker 2: it was reported, and I just just was right in
Speaker 2: the middle of it. I didn't even care to film it.
Speaker 2: I just thought it was odd. And as quickly as
Speaker 2: it came through, it left, and it just went east
Speaker 2: towards Manhattan and and off. There was nothing behind it.
Speaker 2: It wasn't even cloudy. It just looked like a really condensed,
Speaker 2: thick fog. And nobody spoke about it on the news here.
Speaker 2: I just couldnt believe it. So things weird, things happening, Nick,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe it's twenty twenty five. Is the
Speaker 2: big shift, big paradigm shift for people.
Speaker 5: I guess, very very possible. But your apartment you're in now,
Speaker 5: Hoboken is on the Hudson.
Speaker 2: Yes, on the Hudson side. I'm very close to the water.
Speaker 5: So the apartment you're in now, there really been anything
Speaker 5: happening recently.
Speaker 2: I did see a shadow figure. Again, it was questionable
Speaker 2: because I saw her from the corner of my eye
Speaker 2: and I didn't want to look straight at it because
Speaker 2: I wanted to make sure that it wasn't just like
Speaker 2: a reflection of something from the outside. I did kind
Speaker 2: of see a shadow figure, but I don't want to
Speaker 2: se hundred percent. But overall, nothing major has happened here, thankfulness,
Speaker 2: because late at night it could be pretty creepy in
Speaker 2: the dark.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you, Leo. You know, I've lived in haunted
Speaker 5: ices over the years, and it's one thing go into place,
Speaker 5: whether it's a haunted hotel, there's one thing doing that.
Speaker 5: It's another thing living in the same location, you know,
Speaker 5: where you have to sleep with one eye open sometimes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, that was what I explained to the medium
Speaker 2: because I told her, is it something I have to
Speaker 2: vanish or get an extracist or something, And she said, no,
Speaker 2: it's a good energy, so don't even lose any sleep
Speaker 2: over it. She was very matter of fact about it.
Speaker 2: She said, you have good energy. There was no way
Speaker 2: that you'd be issue because if you were carrying around
Speaker 2: a bad energy, I would tell you, I would know.
Speaker 2: That's her exact words.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the thing. In a lot of situations, they
Speaker 5: basically live among us. I would live, but they reside there.
Speaker 5: They may have lived there in the past, and they
Speaker 5: just kind of just doing their own thing, and if
Speaker 5: there's no problem, we tend to leave them be.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And someone asked me I work the
Speaker 2: other day. They asked me if I had seen the
Speaker 2: new Jersey drones, and I said, yeah, and I've seen
Speaker 2: other crazy stuff throughout my life. I don't really elaborate
Speaker 2: because a lot of times when you talk to people
Speaker 2: about stuff like this, they tend to stare at you
Speaker 2: kind of blankly, and then at the end of when
Speaker 2: you kind of tell the story, they give you like
Speaker 2: a figure pad on the head, like, oh, you have
Speaker 2: a nice overactive imagination, so I don't really talk about it.
Speaker 2: He asked me, why is it that you see these
Speaker 2: things all the time, and I said, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I can't answer that. He said, I've never seen anything
Speaker 2: my whole life, and that seems to be the case
Speaker 2: with a lot of people. I don't know why. I
Speaker 2: would just like to know why I've seen all these.
Speaker 5: Things, trying to get answers that I don't know why
Speaker 5: some do and some don't. But what I do know is,
Speaker 5: like you said, these things aren't supposed to be real,
Speaker 5: supposed to remain in the bracket of folklore. But these
Speaker 5: things are real and people do experience them, and not
Speaker 5: everyone shares, and not everyone speaks about am for because
Speaker 5: of ridiculed and the old the pat on the head.
Speaker 5: Just go by the guests I've had on over the
Speaker 5: years and the hundreds of emails I get every month.
Speaker 2: People are experienced, and yeah, and that's great, and everybody
Speaker 2: should come forward. And like I said, it was compelled
Speaker 2: to come forward because of the guests you had on
Speaker 2: your show. Had it not been for it was actually
Speaker 2: his closing statement. He exactly said that if you have
Speaker 2: an experience, you know, come forward and talk about it,
Speaker 2: because that's speaking about it is what you know, gets
Speaker 2: that conversation going and normalizes it in a way. You know,
Speaker 2: I've lived with all these experiences over the years because
Speaker 2: I just didn't feel I had anyone to really talk
Speaker 2: to about it or you know, And I appreciate you
Speaker 2: giving me a platform to like express not only the experiences,
Speaker 2: but everything that happened after that was just as significant
Speaker 2: because my perspective on life really changed. I started looking
Speaker 2: into things and I started questioning things. I mean, I
Speaker 2: obviously go into things with a broader perspective. Now I
Speaker 2: don't just go believing everything, but I definitely have a
Speaker 2: broader perspective on things from experiencing this, and I want
Speaker 2: to find out more and listening to people coming on
Speaker 2: your show and sharing their experiences. I don't even like
Speaker 2: to say stories because when you say story probably has
Speaker 2: like a fictional connotation. So I like to say experiences
Speaker 2: because I know what our experience is real, no question
Speaker 2: about it. I mean, I don't have to try to
Speaker 2: prove it. I just want to know what the hell
Speaker 2: it is, and I want to normalize it the same
Speaker 2: way those whistleblowers are coming forth now and they're going
Speaker 2: to Congress, the US Congress and trying to get the
Speaker 2: truth out there. It's so important.
Speaker 5: Let's hope so.
Speaker 2: Leo.
Speaker 5: Well, Leo, it's great that you've come on and shared
Speaker 5: all this and definitely keeps updated. If anything else does happen,
Speaker 5: and any videos and photo you shared with us, I'll
Speaker 5: put them on the website so people can go and
Speaker 5: check them out.
Speaker 2: Awesome, thank you. I really appreciate it. Again. Thank you
Speaker 2: for having me on and letting me speak my truth.
Speaker 2: You're always great. You always create a good setting and
Speaker 2: a comfortable, safe space for people to speak openly. And
Speaker 2: I think that's why I really enjoy your show, because
Speaker 2: a lot of people talk about things that it's like
Speaker 2: they want to get it off their chest and they
Speaker 2: want to release that from that weight off and have
Speaker 2: people that are open minded listen to them, as opposed
Speaker 2: to someone who's just going to turn around and ridicule
Speaker 2: them or just be like oh or whatever. It's a
Speaker 2: great space and I think what you're doing is great
Speaker 2: and I appreciate it. And I'm sure other people out
Speaker 2: there maybe had the same experience and maybe what I
Speaker 2: said will help them, And that's that makes me feel better,
Speaker 2: So thank you.
Speaker 5: You're more than welcome, okay, Leo, Leo, I really appreciate
Speaker 5: you coming on sharing that for our listeners.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate you giving me the opportunity.
Speaker 5: Wonderful seeking you today. Okay, please keep in contact Leo
Speaker 5: and you enjoyed.
Speaker 2: The rest of your night. Thank you, Thank you one bye,
Speaker 2: take care brother speak soon.
Speaker 5: That is all for this episode. Keep updated and connected
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Speaker 2: And if you have an.
Speaker 5: Encounter that you'd like to share on the podcast, you
Speaker 5: can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com,
Speaker 5: or you can reach out to me via the contact
Speaker 5: page on my website Ufo Chronicles podcast dot com. A
Speaker 5: big fanga de Leo for sharing tonight and thank you
Speaker 5: all for listening. I will be back next week. Till then,
Speaker 5: stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye, s