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<v Speaker 1>You'll be away five seventeen. Do you want to report

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<v Speaker 1>a UFO hanging in?

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<v Speaker 2>We don't want to report every thirty one.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you wish to report a.

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<v Speaker 1>UFO over hey, we want to one of.

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<v Speaker 3>Those data.

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<v Speaker 1>Areas thirty one.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you wish to find a report of any kind

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<v Speaker 2>of it?

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds.

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<v Speaker 1>Time areas thirty one me neither there were self if

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<v Speaker 1>it was anybody above us to pass us, Like thirty

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<v Speaker 1>seconds ago, we were sending one top of golf negative, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>OFFI the UFO.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's murder two nine o'clock.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I'll passed over God. I don't know what it was,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's from at least to three thousand feet above us. See,

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<v Speaker 3>I passed right over the top of us.

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<v Speaker 1>Ninety one one.

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<v Speaker 3>You just called both to me be four re they're

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<v Speaker 3>after staying the airplanes he is, swear to God. More

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<v Speaker 3>calm on an unidentified object every liberty four call or

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<v Speaker 3>calm on an unidentified flying object.

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<v Speaker 4>A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share

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<v Speaker 4>their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had

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<v Speaker 4>an encounter, I would like to be on the show.

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<v Speaker 4>You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com.

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<v Speaker 5>Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you

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<v Speaker 5>all this week? I'm Nick Hunter and this is the

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<v Speaker 5>UFO Chronicles podcast. New Jersey in the US is our

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<v Speaker 5>destination tonight as we meet Leo. And Leo has had

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<v Speaker 5>paranormal experiences since childhood, including an encounter with an et

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<v Speaker 5>as a child. As an adult, he has experienced paranormal

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<v Speaker 5>visits in some of the houses that he has lived in,

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<v Speaker 5>and has seen UFOs and orbs in the sky, including

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<v Speaker 5>a strange sighting in Sweden. Leo is up next, but first,

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<v Speaker 5>You can also find a link in the description of

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<v Speaker 5>this episode. Any help is very much appreciated. Now on

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<v Speaker 5>with the show. Good evening, Leo, Welcome to.

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<v Speaker 2>The podcast, Nick, Thank you for having me, Thank.

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<v Speaker 5>You for join us today. And you're calling from New

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<v Speaker 5>Jersey in the US.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it's a small city. It's arguably a city. It's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much a small town. Called Hoboken, New Jersey. It's

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<v Speaker 2>in the Tri State metro area of New York City.

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<v Speaker 2>Goods def le.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, okay, now you have some experiences to share with us,

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<v Speaker 5>So would you like start the beginning please, sir?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, I'd love to, uh, maybe a little bit about myself.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm forty eight years old. Like I said, I live

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<v Speaker 2>in New Jersey and Hoboken. Born and raised in Manhattan

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<v Speaker 2>and the Washington Heights section of New York City of Manhattan.

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<v Speaker 2>Normal middle class family upbringing. We weren't overly religious. We

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<v Speaker 2>never really spoke about ets or spirits. It wasn't something

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<v Speaker 2>we discussed as a family. My parents were pretty strict.

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<v Speaker 2>We didn't really have any friends, sleepovers. We grew up

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<v Speaker 2>in a very controlled environment. The TV was really restricted

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<v Speaker 2>growing up. And these are all important things about why

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<v Speaker 2>I think I've had so many sightings and experiences over

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<v Speaker 2>the years. And I would say that I was an

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<v Speaker 2>empathic kind of kid, pretty sensitive. I didn't have a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of friends. I mean, I was well liked, but

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't bullied. So I didn't really have a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of friends growing up. And I was pretty in tune

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<v Speaker 2>with how people's emotions and energy was and I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>explain that at the time growing up, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>that was something I was aware of, but I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>articulate what I was thinking. And as an adult, I've

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<v Speaker 2>lived in different cities throughout the US and I lived

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<v Speaker 2>in another country, so some of these experiences were in

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<v Speaker 2>different cities and homes that I lived. So my first

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<v Speaker 2>encounter encounters began, or that I remember, were between the

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<v Speaker 2>ages of four and around thirteen fourteen years old. In

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<v Speaker 2>the eighties, I was in New York City in the

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<v Speaker 2>Washington Heights of Manhattan. My family lived in a pre

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<v Speaker 2>war building, which is pretty typical of that area up there.

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<v Speaker 2>They're huge apartments, spacious rooms and corridors, dining rooms, libraries,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera. I shared a room with my younger brother

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<v Speaker 2>and my older sister was in the room adjacent to hours.

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<v Speaker 2>My mom and dad slept in their bedroom about fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>twenty feet away, and my parents made us sleep with

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<v Speaker 2>our doors open. They were very, very protective and they

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to keep a protective eye on us at all times.

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<v Speaker 2>So my room, this is an important part of the story.

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<v Speaker 2>My room faced the long part of the apartment all

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<v Speaker 2>the way I had a view from all the way

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<v Speaker 2>from my room to the front entrance of the apartment.

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<v Speaker 2>It was kind of like what they call like a

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<v Speaker 2>railroad style apartment here in New York City, which is

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<v Speaker 2>a long, narrow apartment length and then there's rooms along

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<v Speaker 2>the left and the right side of it. But I

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<v Speaker 2>had a view straight through to the front entrance. And

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<v Speaker 2>during the day and mostly at night, I would see

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<v Speaker 2>things that I couldn't explain. I would see shadow figures

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<v Speaker 2>passing through. At nighttime, I would see light figures moving

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<v Speaker 2>through the apartment, always, sometimes through the closer to the

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<v Speaker 2>front door, sometimes towards my parents' room, just passing through.

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<v Speaker 2>There were entities. They were light colored, faint fluorescent green, white,

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<v Speaker 2>blue sometimes and I couldn't explain what they were. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought as a kid, I was so young, I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>know how to explain it. And they were walking around

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<v Speaker 2>as if they were lost. They weren't aware of me,

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<v Speaker 2>but I was definitely aware of them. They never came

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<v Speaker 2>into my room, which was very good, but I used

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<v Speaker 2>to see them all the time, and apparently as I

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<v Speaker 2>got older, I spoke to my older sister and she

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<v Speaker 2>saw them as well. But it was something we never

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<v Speaker 2>talked about until we became adults. As a kid, I

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<v Speaker 2>thought it was normal, something that everyone saw. I never

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<v Speaker 2>spoken about it, and it didn't frighten me when I

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<v Speaker 2>was young, But as I got older, the shadow figures

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<v Speaker 2>kind of did bother me. I sensed that they kind

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<v Speaker 2>of had an afarious vibe, even though I never interacted

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<v Speaker 2>with them, but I just felt it. Thought it was

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<v Speaker 2>normal for everyone to see them. So I mentioned it

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<v Speaker 2>maybe once or twice to my parents and they just

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<v Speaker 2>got angry. I just restricted my TV viewing even more.

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<v Speaker 2>But I realized that seeing these entities was not normal,

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<v Speaker 2>so I kept it all to myself. Then a few

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<v Speaker 2>years later, when I was five or six, I was

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<v Speaker 2>in the eighties, I had an encounter with a non

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<v Speaker 2>human entity. My parents. We lived on the first floor

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<v Speaker 2>of that building and my mom's brother's family lived on

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<v Speaker 2>the fourth floor. And I remember it was late afternoon,

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<v Speaker 2>early evening, and my mom was definitely a cooking dinner

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<v Speaker 2>and wanted to go upstairs to my cousin's house on

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<v Speaker 2>the fourth floor because he had an Atari game console

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<v Speaker 2>and that was pretty big back in the eighties, and

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<v Speaker 2>I begged my mom to let me go play the

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<v Speaker 2>video game at my cousin's place, and since she was cooking,

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<v Speaker 2>she didn't want to take me, so she kind of

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<v Speaker 2>begged her and begged her. Finally she begrudgingly let me

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<v Speaker 2>go alone. And meanwhile, I have to remember that she's

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<v Speaker 2>super controlling, never let me out of her sight, never

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<v Speaker 2>allowed me to play with any kids outside. It was

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<v Speaker 2>always like she had to have a watchful eye on me.

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<v Speaker 2>So she told me to run upstairs quickly to my

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<v Speaker 2>cousin's place. So I grabbed the Atari joystick controller, the

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<v Speaker 2>little black joystick with the red button on it. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if you remember from the eighties, but I

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<v Speaker 2>put it under my arm, and I had a trading

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<v Speaker 2>a stack of trading cards that I wanted to take

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<v Speaker 2>to my cousin's place. And I ran as fast as

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<v Speaker 2>I could because I knew I didn't want my mom

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<v Speaker 2>to change her mind. I remember the door slamming behind

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<v Speaker 2>me when I left. So I'm running up the stairs

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<v Speaker 2>flight of stairs. I didn't even take the elevator. I

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<v Speaker 2>just ran up the stairs and I was trying to

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<v Speaker 2>go as fast as I could. And as I went

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<v Speaker 2>up the second flight of stairs, I see this strange

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<v Speaker 2>looking kid standing there, and I froze, I froze. I

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<v Speaker 2>just didn't recognize the kid. I didn't know who it was,

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<v Speaker 2>but he looked very strange from where I was standing,

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<v Speaker 2>and I didn't want to stare at him, because we

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<v Speaker 2>were taught by my parents not to stare anyone. This

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<v Speaker 2>person looked like if he had a deformity or hear

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<v Speaker 2>it or she, I couldn't tell, so we were taught

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<v Speaker 2>not to look at any not stare at people with

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<v Speaker 2>a disability or handicap or deformity. Young children tend to

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<v Speaker 2>do that when they're trying to understand and analyze what

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<v Speaker 2>they're seeing and they're not used to seeing that. But us,

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<v Speaker 2>as kids, we were taught by our parents not to

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<v Speaker 2>stare because it was disrespectful. So as I walked up

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<v Speaker 2>the stairs, I tried to pass on the left side

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<v Speaker 2>of it or him, and tried to avoid looking in

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<v Speaker 2>his face. And remembered the strange, oldor like a bad

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<v Speaker 2>pungent smell, and it followed my movement, and then I

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<v Speaker 2>turned and stared at it straight in the face. It

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<v Speaker 2>was about my height, had a huge head about twice

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<v Speaker 2>the size of mine. The only way I could describe

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<v Speaker 2>the skin. It wasn't gray. It looked like a burn

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<v Speaker 2>victim when somebody has probably disfigured burn scars that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of tone and texture, shiny, kind of no hair, no

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<v Speaker 2>hair at all, and had huge eyes and they were

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<v Speaker 2>not black because I saw pupils, big pupils looking around

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<v Speaker 2>at me, down and up, really tiny neck, really small neck.

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<v Speaker 2>And the only way I could describe it at the

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<v Speaker 2>time was a ballet outfit, because my older sister was

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<v Speaker 2>in ballet and it was like a tight leotard. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what they call ballet outfits that ballerinas wear,

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<v Speaker 2>but it looked like that, but it was all black. Froze,

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<v Speaker 2>I completely froze. I was scared out of my mind.

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<v Speaker 2>It grabbed me by my left arm, and I remember

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<v Speaker 2>that it had cold hands and it stabbed me in

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<v Speaker 2>the forearm and a weird kind of spot with a

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<v Speaker 2>metal like a silver object, like a metal stick. So

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how long that took because I was

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<v Speaker 2>just frozen and out of fear. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>it was just fear or hypnotize me or something. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, but I was just frozen. Finally I came

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<v Speaker 2>to and I ran as fast as I could up

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<v Speaker 2>the stairs and I started to cry because I was

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<v Speaker 2>like hysterically crying because I was scared, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>turn around, and I ran upstairs to the fourth floor

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<v Speaker 2>and I banged on the door as hard as I could.

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<v Speaker 2>Finally my aunt answered the door and she was asking

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<v Speaker 2>me what happened, and she didn't let me in. She

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<v Speaker 2>was like, who is this kid? And I said, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a kid. There's a kid. So she's looking down the rail,

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<v Speaker 2>like to look down to the second floor if the

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<v Speaker 2>kid was still there. And she was asking me, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a neighbor. Do you know what's whose kid is it?

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<v Speaker 2>And I just I couldn't explain it. I said, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know who it is. So anyway, she took me inside,

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<v Speaker 2>and I remember she was trying to calm me down,

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<v Speaker 2>and she took some alcohol that was in it. It

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<v Speaker 2>was a green alcohol, which was kind of weird minty

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<v Speaker 2>smelling thing, and she cleansed that spot. It wasn't bleeding,

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<v Speaker 2>but I told her and there was something there. And

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<v Speaker 2>I was in complete hysterics about the whole thing. And

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<v Speaker 2>at me, and obviously I didn't want to play the

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<v Speaker 2>Atari console anymore. So my aunt called my mom to

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<v Speaker 2>come upstairs and get me, and my mom was livid.

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<v Speaker 2>She was beyond angry because the first time she lets

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<v Speaker 2>me out of her sight something happens to her kid.

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<v Speaker 2>So obviously she was very upset, and she was also

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<v Speaker 2>even more upset that she couldn't get a straight story

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<v Speaker 2>out of me because I didn't know who the kid was,

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<v Speaker 2>and she wanted to find out who did that to me.

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<v Speaker 2>But there was something in my arm for many many

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<v Speaker 2>years since that time. It was about the size of

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<v Speaker 2>a grain of rice. It was dark, little. The only

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<v Speaker 2>experiences that I had to that point, I just I

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<v Speaker 2>told my mom that he stabbed me with a pencil,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was a silver If it was a pencil,

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<v Speaker 2>would have been a pen because it was a silver object,

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<v Speaker 2>and pencil wouldn't have left such a big object in

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when I was a kid, my arm was

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<v Speaker 2>it there for many, many years, for about thirty plus years,

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<v Speaker 2>and about maybe ten years ago it just disappeared. It

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<v Speaker 2>was not there anymore. I don't know what happened to it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd never heard about that before, you know. As I

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<v Speaker 2>got older, I looked into about implants and people that

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<v Speaker 2>are experiencers or abductees and they get things implanted into them,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's usually in the nose. I think I heard

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<v Speaker 2>once about a guy that had one put in his leg,

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<v Speaker 2>and a researcher sent extracted it and sent it to

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<v Speaker 2>be analyzed at an Ivy League school, but I never

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<v Speaker 2>really heard anything about it. So the next one was

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<v Speaker 2>in the same apartment. I was older. I was about

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<v Speaker 2>fourteen fifteen years old. During that time, I became really

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<v Speaker 2>good at having lucid dreams. I didn't know how to

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<v Speaker 2>describe it. There was something that people didn't really talk about,

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<v Speaker 2>but I was really good at lucid dreaming and controlling

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<v Speaker 2>certain things in my dream. I enjoyed sleep at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I look forward to going to sleep because I had

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<v Speaker 2>dreams where I was cognizant and I could control it.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a lot of fun, like getting skills within

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<v Speaker 2>the dream, and it was super difficult at first control.

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<v Speaker 2>But the first thing that I mastered was just being

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<v Speaker 2>aware that I was dreaming, and it took a long

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<v Speaker 2>period of time to get that skill, but I finally

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<v Speaker 2>got it. But anyway, one night, it was probably pretty

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<v Speaker 2>late at night. I don't recall the time. I was

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<v Speaker 2>asleep and I thought I was dreaming, but it felt

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<v Speaker 2>completely different from a lucid dream, different feeling. I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>control it. I was aware I was in my room,

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't move, a sleep paralysis kind of situation. But

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<v Speaker 2>I have never had that happen before, so that I

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<v Speaker 2>could remember. I didn't see anyone or anything in the

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<v Speaker 2>room other than my younger brother sleeping across from me.

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<v Speaker 2>What I could remember was that I started to float

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<v Speaker 2>up and I was frozen. I couldn't move, and I

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<v Speaker 2>levitated off the bed and I went through the wall

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<v Speaker 2>behind me. I remember I flew through above the headboard

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<v Speaker 2>and through the wall, and when I went through the wall,

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<v Speaker 2>everything went dark briefly, and next thing you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>come out the other side and I'm on the street.

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<v Speaker 2>And my family lived on the first floor, so I

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<v Speaker 2>was right on the street level and I wasn't really scared.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a dream where you're not really you don't

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<v Speaker 2>get surprised by it, but you know it's weird, but

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<v Speaker 2>you're not really surprised by it. So I'm just floating

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<v Speaker 2>and I start floating up, but not straight up. It

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of like at an angle. So I'm able

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<v Speaker 2>to move my neck just a tiny bit, and my eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>I could move around. I was aware of what was happening,

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<v Speaker 2>but I couldn't move my body. So I started floating

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<v Speaker 2>up and I could see the cars, the street signs,

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<v Speaker 2>the street post, you know, saying no parking here, fire hydrant,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was just kind of observing everything, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was pretty much a willing participant until I floated above

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<v Speaker 2>a street light on the corner and I looked over

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<v Speaker 2>it as I passed it, and I saw a metal

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<v Speaker 2>strip containing serial numbers edged on it. And that's when

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<v Speaker 2>I realized it was real. This was not a dream.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's when I really freaked out and I became combative,

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<v Speaker 2>and I didn't know where I was going, but I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't want to go where I was heading, so I

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of able to fight it, not with my body,

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<v Speaker 2>just like kind of just fighting and saying I'm not going,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going, really being combative in my mind and

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know who I was talking to, but

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<v Speaker 2>I was just saying that I'm not going. And then

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<v Speaker 2>I quickly reversed course, so I went back in a

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<v Speaker 2>differ the ten I came out from. I went through

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<v Speaker 2>the other side of the wall of my room, and

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<v Speaker 2>I ended up on my bed, kind of floated up,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of levitating above my bed, and then I went

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<v Speaker 2>down really softly, and I remember that clearly because I

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<v Speaker 2>started to come to like my body. I felt like

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<v Speaker 2>it was sedated, but I was aware, like I was cognizant,

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<v Speaker 2>and I had a really odd, cold, tangly sensation. That's

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<v Speaker 2>when I started to feel. During the whole process of

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<v Speaker 2>being levitating and levitating in the air, I felt nothing

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<v Speaker 2>on my skin, felt nothing. The minute I was on

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<v Speaker 2>my bed, I started to feel my body again and

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<v Speaker 2>it was really like what I guess what they call

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<v Speaker 2>pins and needles all over my body, on my skin

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<v Speaker 2>and all my muscles. It was just all over. And

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<v Speaker 2>then when I was able to sit up, I realized

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<v Speaker 2>that that was not a dream. I was literally outside

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<v Speaker 2>And it was the craziest experience because who do you

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<v Speaker 2>talk to, who do you explain this to? And the

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<v Speaker 2>only reason I think I broke the levitation was because

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<v Speaker 2>I was able to lucid dream. I think that was

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<v Speaker 2>my saving grace. Really, if I wasn't able to lose

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<v Speaker 2>a dream, I don't think I would be able to

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<v Speaker 2>get out of that. And that was something that took

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<v Speaker 2>me a really long time to process because it was

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<v Speaker 2>during that Yeah, I was around the eighties, mid eighties,

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<v Speaker 2>late eighties when those shows like Here in America. There

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<v Speaker 2>was a show called Unsolved Mysteries and a Current Affair,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were kind of talking about abductions, but not

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<v Speaker 2>in detail. So I couldn't really make the connection because

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't see a craft. I just saw a light

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<v Speaker 2>because I was going up to a light above the

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<v Speaker 2>street lamp. But I didn't never saw a craft. I

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<v Speaker 2>never went inside the craft think I might have been taken.

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<v Speaker 2>So I couldn't really relate to the stories that I

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<v Speaker 2>was hearing on Unsolved Mysteries. So that was a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>significant experience in my early ten years. Had some other

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<v Speaker 2>stuff happen, nothing that I would really want to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about that was really remarkable, but I was older. This

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<v Speaker 2>was around nineteen ninety seven, I was twenty one. I

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<v Speaker 2>had moved out of my parents' home, still in New

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<v Speaker 2>York City, and I was lego from a job that

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<v Speaker 2>I had that I was working with nice severance pay,

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<v Speaker 2>so I decided to take the summer off. And I

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<v Speaker 2>started dating someone around that same time, and the relationship

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<v Speaker 2>blossomed pretty quickly. And he had mentioned to me that

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<v Speaker 2>his father lived in Florida. I was in the late

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<v Speaker 2>stages of terminal cancer, so kind of fast forwarding through

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<v Speaker 2>the story. He passed away a few weeks after we met,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe a little month after we met, and the funeral

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<v Speaker 2>was in Florida, and he asked me to accompany him

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<v Speaker 2>to his dad's funeral, even though we barely really knew

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<v Speaker 2>each other, but I decided to go, so we flew

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<v Speaker 2>down to Fort Lauderdale. I met some of his family

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<v Speaker 2>for the first time on the plane, and some of

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<v Speaker 2>them there at the airport, and nine of us got

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<v Speaker 2>into a rental van because we were driving up to Gainesville, Florida,

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<v Speaker 2>which is no West I believe of Orlando. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>small city for the funeral. And it was late night.

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<v Speaker 2>It was around one thirty in the morning, and we

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<v Speaker 2>were driving and everybody was kind of passing out, falling asleep,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't trust people that I don't know when

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<v Speaker 2>they're driving, so I can't sleep. I can't get comfortable

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<v Speaker 2>to sleep. So it's like around one thirty in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a stretch of highway. It's on the Everglade section

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<v Speaker 2>of the highway. I think it's seventy five that heads

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<v Speaker 2>up towards Orlando, and there's no lamps, there's no street lights,

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<v Speaker 2>just long stretches of road with wetlands around you, and

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<v Speaker 2>all you can see are the lights from the opposite

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<v Speaker 2>side of the oncoming traffic. That's the only light you

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<v Speaker 2>could see, and maybe stars in the sky. And there

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<v Speaker 2>was no moonlight. It was for whatever reason there was

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<v Speaker 2>no moonlight. Then it was just pretty dark. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>leaning my head against the window and I look up

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<v Speaker 2>and I see a light coming across, like shooting, like

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<v Speaker 2>it's coming down, And it was not going straight across.

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<v Speaker 2>It was kind of coming out down at an angle.

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<v Speaker 2>And there was no contrail, there was no like, no smoke. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't a comment. So then I started kind of rational,

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<v Speaker 2>like what is it? What could it be? Could it

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<v Speaker 2>be a street light? Could it be the reflection of

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<v Speaker 2>the other side of a car coming from the opposite direction.

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't really figure out what it was. And then

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<v Speaker 2>finally the thing just was. I want to say it

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<v Speaker 2>was about mile and half away from the highway, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was about a mile and half away and about

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<v Speaker 2>five hundred feet in the air, pretty low to the ground,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it's flying. Then it just suddenly stops in

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<v Speaker 2>the air and it starts to glow and grow in size.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was kind of like an orange color, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I started changing colors like white and blue, and

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<v Speaker 2>at that point I freaked out. So I start freaking

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<v Speaker 2>out in the car. I'm like yelling at everybody that

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<v Speaker 2>these people are I just met a few like an

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<v Speaker 2>hour ago, and I'm freaking out. I'm like, what the

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<v Speaker 2>hell is that? What is that in the sky, And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, everybody's like waking up all groggy, and so

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<v Speaker 2>I told the driver, I said, oh my god, you

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<v Speaker 2>have to stop the car. What is that? So we

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<v Speaker 2>all stopped and we looked, and that's when they started

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<v Speaker 2>seeing the same thing I was. And this thing was

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<v Speaker 2>just glowing brighter and brighter and brighter and changing colors,

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<v Speaker 2>and other people on the highway also started stopping behind us,

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<v Speaker 2>and one guy pulled up in front of us, and

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<v Speaker 2>everybody's watching the same thing that we couldn't explain what

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<v Speaker 2>it was, and then it started to descend really slowly.

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<v Speaker 2>It stayed a blue color as it descended, and it

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<v Speaker 2>just disappeared behind some grass and we didn't know what

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<v Speaker 2>it was. Everybody was kind of on the side of

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<v Speaker 2>the highway just talking to each other. With other drivers,

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<v Speaker 2>we were like, what was that? You know. Some people

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<v Speaker 2>were joking saying it was just a UFO ufo. Some

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<v Speaker 2>people were trying to explain it as a Harrier jet,

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<v Speaker 2>like those jets that can kind of levitate and then

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<v Speaker 2>come straight down. But I looked it up on the

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<v Speaker 2>internet from Harrier jets at nighttime landings and looked nothing

420
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<v Speaker 2>like that, nothing at all. And everybody was amazed about it,

421
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<v Speaker 2>but we didn't speak about it again. I think, Nick,

422
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<v Speaker 2>I heard on one of your podcasts that you call it,

423
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<v Speaker 2>correct me if I'm wrong. I think you call it

424
00:23:05.799 --> 00:23:09.920
<v Speaker 2>alien apathy. Okay, great, yeah, because I had never heard

425
00:23:09.920 --> 00:23:14.960
<v Speaker 2>that expression before, and everybody was just kind of not

426
00:23:15.319 --> 00:23:17.880
<v Speaker 2>even talking about it, and not surprising because the patriarch

427
00:23:18.079 --> 00:23:21.279
<v Speaker 2>of the family passed away, but the only person I

428
00:23:21.319 --> 00:23:23.359
<v Speaker 2>wanted to talk about it with me was the widow

429
00:23:23.480 --> 00:23:26.119
<v Speaker 2>who I met that night, and I kind of didn't

430
00:23:26.160 --> 00:23:27.839
<v Speaker 2>want to talk about it with her because she had

431
00:23:27.880 --> 00:23:30.880
<v Speaker 2>just lost her husband, so but she was really really

432
00:23:31.599 --> 00:23:34.440
<v Speaker 2>intrigued by what we saw. But I didn't really speak

433
00:23:34.440 --> 00:23:37.960
<v Speaker 2>to anybody else about it. But I had never heard

434
00:23:38.200 --> 00:23:40.799
<v Speaker 2>of an ORB before that, I had never seen a

435
00:23:40.839 --> 00:23:44.720
<v Speaker 2>picture of an ORB, and this was witnessed by multiple people.

436
00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:47.200
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't just me, and I couldn't wrap my head

437
00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:49.799
<v Speaker 2>around it, and I couldn't find information about it since

438
00:23:49.799 --> 00:23:52.920
<v Speaker 2>the Internet was kind of in its infancy at that time.

439
00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:55.720
<v Speaker 2>The books that I looked at in the bookstores, they

440
00:23:55.920 --> 00:23:58.759
<v Speaker 2>had no mentions of orbs, at least nothing like what

441
00:23:58.839 --> 00:24:01.400
<v Speaker 2>I saw. They were usually the really tiny ones. So

442
00:24:01.519 --> 00:24:04.359
<v Speaker 2>after a while I started questioning what I saw, like, well,

443
00:24:04.359 --> 00:24:05.920
<v Speaker 2>did I really see what I saw?

444
00:24:05.960 --> 00:24:06.079
<v Speaker 3>On?

445
00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:08.519
<v Speaker 2>Was it what I think I saw? And then you

446
00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:11.119
<v Speaker 2>start kind of just putting it in the back of

447
00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:14.039
<v Speaker 2>your mind, putting it away and just wanting to forget it.

448
00:24:14.319 --> 00:24:17.759
<v Speaker 2>But that was another experience. Then when it got really

449
00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:22.079
<v Speaker 2>cramped up. It was August of twenty ten. I was

450
00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:24.839
<v Speaker 2>working at an airport here in New York called Guardia

451
00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:27.440
<v Speaker 2>is one of the three major airports in New York City.

452
00:24:28.240 --> 00:24:31.519
<v Speaker 2>That was bartending. It's early morning, and I woke up

453
00:24:31.680 --> 00:24:34.519
<v Speaker 2>really sick that morning with flue light symptoms, and I

454
00:24:34.559 --> 00:24:36.720
<v Speaker 2>had to go to work because I couldn't call out

455
00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:38.839
<v Speaker 2>of work because I couldn't get anyone to replace me

456
00:24:38.920 --> 00:24:40.480
<v Speaker 2>at that time. It was like I had to be

457
00:24:40.559 --> 00:24:43.680
<v Speaker 2>at like six am to barteness Sam. I don't ask

458
00:24:43.720 --> 00:24:46.160
<v Speaker 2>me why, but they made me bartendess six am, even

459
00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:48.160
<v Speaker 2>though the bar wasn't open. And I was in a

460
00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:51.640
<v Speaker 2>new relationship while we lived together in the Queen's section

461
00:24:51.960 --> 00:24:54.480
<v Speaker 2>of New York City. I was about fifteen minutes away

462
00:24:54.519 --> 00:24:57.400
<v Speaker 2>from the airport that I worked at, and Tea worked

463
00:24:57.440 --> 00:24:59.640
<v Speaker 2>at the same place as well. He was bartending at

464
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<v Speaker 2>the same time, and when my shifts ended, I asked

465
00:25:02.119 --> 00:25:04.319
<v Speaker 2>him to pick me up because I was just so tired.

466
00:25:04.359 --> 00:25:07.680
<v Speaker 2>I felt horrible, horrible, horrible, and I didn't want to

467
00:25:07.720 --> 00:25:10.480
<v Speaker 2>walk home. I didn't want to take public transport, and

468
00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:13.519
<v Speaker 2>ride share was not a thing yet at that time,

469
00:25:13.640 --> 00:25:15.720
<v Speaker 2>so I would have to find a taxi and I

470
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<v Speaker 2>was down in the move, so I asked him to

471
00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:19.200
<v Speaker 2>pick me up in our car. Once I got home,

472
00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:21.359
<v Speaker 2>I laid down in bed and I was miserable. I

473
00:25:21.359 --> 00:25:24.200
<v Speaker 2>had a fever, chills, everything you could think of. And

474
00:25:24.240 --> 00:25:26.160
<v Speaker 2>I as I was laying that we closed all the

475
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<v Speaker 2>blinds because I was feeling miserable. I didn't even want

476
00:25:28.519 --> 00:25:31.599
<v Speaker 2>sunlight to come through. I got a strong feeling. It

477
00:25:31.640 --> 00:25:33.519
<v Speaker 2>was the first time that ever happened. It was like

478
00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:37.960
<v Speaker 2>a strong, overwhelming feeling that I had to go lay

479
00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:43.119
<v Speaker 2>in the sun in Flushing Metals Park. Now, Flushing Metals

480
00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:47.480
<v Speaker 2>Park is a pretty big park in Queens. It's pretty

481
00:25:47.480 --> 00:25:50.599
<v Speaker 2>deep into Queens to where the US Open is held

482
00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:54.200
<v Speaker 2>every year, where Arthur ash Stadium is where the US

483
00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Open is held. And I think one of the men

484
00:25:56.680 --> 00:25:59.319
<v Speaker 2>in Black Movies was filmed there where they have those

485
00:25:59.359 --> 00:26:02.759
<v Speaker 2>big towers where they turned the spaceships or whatever. But

486
00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:05.640
<v Speaker 2>that's the park. But I had a really strong feeling

487
00:26:05.720 --> 00:26:09.279
<v Speaker 2>to go there. I couldn't explain why. So I told

488
00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:11.319
<v Speaker 2>my partner at him and said let's go, and he

489
00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:14.400
<v Speaker 2>was not in the mood to go, and I really

490
00:26:14.440 --> 00:26:15.680
<v Speaker 2>want to go. I need to lay in the sun.

491
00:26:15.720 --> 00:26:19.440
<v Speaker 2>I need to lay in the sun. And he reluctantly agreed,

492
00:26:19.640 --> 00:26:22.039
<v Speaker 2>and we took the subway there. Out of all things,

493
00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:25.200
<v Speaker 2>which was when I'm not feeling good, which was kind

494
00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:27.200
<v Speaker 2>of weird. I took the subway there, and I'm not

495
00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:29.000
<v Speaker 2>a big fan of that park, to be honest, because

496
00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:31.200
<v Speaker 2>it's kind of a ways from where it's not easy

497
00:26:31.240 --> 00:26:33.519
<v Speaker 2>to get to from where I was, and nicer parks

498
00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:36.599
<v Speaker 2>that were closer than to where I lived. But for

499
00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:38.720
<v Speaker 2>some reason I wanted to go there, and we laid

500
00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:41.160
<v Speaker 2>out in the grass. We had some stuff to drink,

501
00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:44.359
<v Speaker 2>and he was being grumpy because he didn't want to

502
00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:46.680
<v Speaker 2>be there, and he was giving me the silent treatment,

503
00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:48.720
<v Speaker 2>so I couldn't really say anything. But I was just

504
00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:51.119
<v Speaker 2>laying in the sun. It was hot. It was really hot.

505
00:26:51.160 --> 00:26:53.440
<v Speaker 2>It was in August, so it was very very hot.

506
00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:56.039
<v Speaker 2>And mind you, I have a fever, so I don't

507
00:26:56.039 --> 00:26:58.640
<v Speaker 2>know the logic and that. But anyway, as I was

508
00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:01.400
<v Speaker 2>laying there, I looked over at a tree at a

509
00:27:01.480 --> 00:27:05.960
<v Speaker 2>distance it was probably about maybe about five hundred feet away,

510
00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:08.519
<v Speaker 2>and I noticed something flying in the air. It was

511
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:13.599
<v Speaker 2>just hovering, and the usual thing you try to make

512
00:27:13.640 --> 00:27:15.720
<v Speaker 2>out what it is, you try to do a process

513
00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:19.519
<v Speaker 2>of elimination. It was a blimp, a kite. Drones were

514
00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:22.519
<v Speaker 2>not a thing back in twenty ten at least not

515
00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:27.880
<v Speaker 2>commercial drones, and we were not too far from it.

516
00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:30.039
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't making any sound, it didn't move it. It

517
00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:32.119
<v Speaker 2>wasn't a balloon because it was in the same position

518
00:27:32.319 --> 00:27:35.440
<v Speaker 2>for like a good solid four or five minutes before

519
00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:38.599
<v Speaker 2>I even said anything. And I have to say, it

520
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:43.559
<v Speaker 2>was a stereotypical flying saucer. It was exactly what they described,

521
00:27:44.079 --> 00:27:45.920
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I didn't want to believe it. I

522
00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:48.079
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to. I didn't want that to be my

523
00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:51.319
<v Speaker 2>conclusion that it's a flying saucer. So I told my

524
00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:52.960
<v Speaker 2>partner at the time, I said, look at that, what

525
00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:55.079
<v Speaker 2>is it? And he went through the same thing. Oh,

526
00:27:55.079 --> 00:27:58.000
<v Speaker 2>it's a balloon, a helicopter, even though they didn't have

527
00:27:58.079 --> 00:28:00.400
<v Speaker 2>any rotors and it wasn't making any sound. It's a

528
00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:03.839
<v Speaker 2>blimp flattened out, too small to be a blimp, although

529
00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:05.799
<v Speaker 2>a lot of blimps did fly around that area because

530
00:28:05.799 --> 00:28:08.440
<v Speaker 2>there's a baseball stadium nearby, but it was not a blimp.

531
00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:11.319
<v Speaker 2>So we're looking at it and staring and he takes

532
00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:13.759
<v Speaker 2>out his It was one of the early I don't

533
00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:15.920
<v Speaker 2>think it was the first version of the iPhone. It

534
00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:18.960
<v Speaker 2>might have been the second iPhone. That came out at

535
00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:20.839
<v Speaker 2>the time, I don't really remember. He had one of

536
00:28:20.839 --> 00:28:24.039
<v Speaker 2>the second or third generation, and he snapped the picture

537
00:28:24.119 --> 00:28:26.599
<v Speaker 2>of it with the camera and when we zoomed in,

538
00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:30.559
<v Speaker 2>we got details and it was exactly what a flying

539
00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:33.319
<v Speaker 2>saucer is supposed to look like. And at that point

540
00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:37.200
<v Speaker 2>we were just like frozen. So we were staring at

541
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:40.839
<v Speaker 2>for about a good eight minutes the same spot. All

542
00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:45.319
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, it wobbled, did a little wobble, and

543
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:49.880
<v Speaker 2>it shot straight up vertically like so fast. I mean

544
00:28:50.319 --> 00:28:52.799
<v Speaker 2>when people say fast, thousands of miles an hour, I

545
00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:54.640
<v Speaker 2>can't even say it was thousands of miles an hour

546
00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:57.119
<v Speaker 2>because it was so fast that it just looked like

547
00:28:57.119 --> 00:28:59.839
<v Speaker 2>a streak of its color that just went straight up

548
00:28:59.880 --> 00:29:03.000
<v Speaker 2>in the air. It was so quick. There's no rocket

549
00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:05.279
<v Speaker 2>that we have. They can go that fast. You can't

550
00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:08.000
<v Speaker 2>even move a light. I think it was faster than

551
00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:10.200
<v Speaker 2>speed a light because it was just a streak in

552
00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:13.200
<v Speaker 2>the air. And at that point we started freaking out

553
00:29:13.319 --> 00:29:16.279
<v Speaker 2>and we're just like kind of we're being a little

554
00:29:16.279 --> 00:29:18.319
<v Speaker 2>bit loud, and there were some people laying next to us,

555
00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:20.599
<v Speaker 2>so we told them, we're like, did you guys see that?

556
00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:24.000
<v Speaker 2>And they were with a baby, and they kind of thought,

557
00:29:24.039 --> 00:29:26.160
<v Speaker 2>what are these guys on Are they smoking or are

558
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:29.440
<v Speaker 2>they drinking something? And they're like no, and he showed

559
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:32.119
<v Speaker 2>them the picture of the thing next to the tree,

560
00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:35.759
<v Speaker 2>and so they were intrigued by it. And about maybe

561
00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:39.880
<v Speaker 2>three minutes later, two fighter jets flew right over the

562
00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:43.720
<v Speaker 2>same position that the UFO was before it shot up.

563
00:29:44.240 --> 00:29:47.000
<v Speaker 2>And that's when those people to us believed us because

564
00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:49.720
<v Speaker 2>they were like, oh, wow, that's crazy because those fighter

565
00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:52.319
<v Speaker 2>jets would not fly in that because that's near LaGuardia

566
00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:54.400
<v Speaker 2>Airport and that's where the planes come in for landing,

567
00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:56.920
<v Speaker 2>so you would have to kind of reroute the landing

568
00:29:57.400 --> 00:30:01.039
<v Speaker 2>path for the planes going into LaGuardia. And that's when

569
00:30:01.039 --> 00:30:04.119
<v Speaker 2>we knew we saw something significant. It was like, without

570
00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:06.599
<v Speaker 2>a shadow of a doubt that we did see a UFO,

571
00:30:06.680 --> 00:30:09.519
<v Speaker 2>and that started the journey down the rabbit hole for

572
00:30:09.559 --> 00:30:12.839
<v Speaker 2>me when I needed to figure out what that was.

573
00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:17.839
<v Speaker 2>And luckily my partner at the time he was the

574
00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:19.960
<v Speaker 2>same way. He was the first person I had ever

575
00:30:20.039 --> 00:30:24.039
<v Speaker 2>met that really got into it and really wanted to

576
00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:26.880
<v Speaker 2>find out about it, not just ignore it or sweep

577
00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:29.000
<v Speaker 2>it under the rock. He really wanted to look into

578
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:31.039
<v Speaker 2>it with me, and it was good to have someone

579
00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:34.119
<v Speaker 2>next to me, because when you experienced something like that,

580
00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:37.279
<v Speaker 2>it could be pretty isolating. You don't really have anyone

581
00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:40.119
<v Speaker 2>to talk to about these kind of things. There's not

582
00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:42.839
<v Speaker 2>even a lot of resources online, or there wasn't at

583
00:30:42.839 --> 00:30:45.519
<v Speaker 2>the time, not a lot of good stuff. You had

584
00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:48.519
<v Speaker 2>to read through the garbage really to find any good

585
00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:51.599
<v Speaker 2>information about what these things might be. So that was

586
00:30:51.640 --> 00:30:55.920
<v Speaker 2>a pretty significant sighting. And I do have the picture.

587
00:30:56.839 --> 00:30:59.039
<v Speaker 2>I have the picture. It's a really clear picture. It's

588
00:30:59.079 --> 00:31:01.960
<v Speaker 2>a little pixelated because it was one of the resolution

589
00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:04.079
<v Speaker 2>on those early phones weren't that great, but it's pretty

590
00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:06.359
<v Speaker 2>clear to see. I have to find it. It's on

591
00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:10.640
<v Speaker 2>a device called the time machine. It's called the Apple

592
00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:14.519
<v Speaker 2>time Machine. It was like a backup data storage for computers,

593
00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:16.960
<v Speaker 2>and I had three different computers, so I have about

594
00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:20.000
<v Speaker 2>maybe twenty thirty thousand pictures that the dates are not

595
00:31:20.119 --> 00:31:23.119
<v Speaker 2>properly noted on the picture, so I'm sure it's in there,

596
00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:24.680
<v Speaker 2>so I have to find that. I wasn't able to

597
00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:26.599
<v Speaker 2>find it in time for the podcast, but it is

598
00:31:27.200 --> 00:31:29.880
<v Speaker 2>a really amazing picture. I'll have to look for that

599
00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:30.160
<v Speaker 2>for you.

600
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<v Speaker 2>X and then I only have I think they have

613
00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:35.160
<v Speaker 2>two more to share. So that same partner that I had,

614
00:32:35.680 --> 00:32:38.480
<v Speaker 2>we ended up moving to Sweden. He was Swedish, and

615
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:41.599
<v Speaker 2>we moved to a city called Malma. It's in the

616
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:46.720
<v Speaker 2>south of Sweden near the closest city is probably Copenhagen, Denmark,

617
00:32:46.880 --> 00:32:49.839
<v Speaker 2>the country of Denmark, very close to Denmark. We moved there.

618
00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:52.880
<v Speaker 2>I got a job there and he was was going

619
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:56.519
<v Speaker 2>back to school and we lived in the central of

620
00:32:56.559 --> 00:33:01.480
<v Speaker 2>Malman and the park called Slussen, pretty small, little neighborhood,

621
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<v Speaker 2>so it was next setting I saw. I was pretty significant.

622
00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:08.880
<v Speaker 2>It was on December thirty first, twenty eleven. It was

623
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<v Speaker 2>New Year's Eve. He was at work. He was working

624
00:33:11.960 --> 00:33:16.319
<v Speaker 2>for the Hilton at the time in Triangan, which is

625
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:20.839
<v Speaker 2>kind of the central Malma. It was a hotel at

626
00:33:20.880 --> 00:33:22.440
<v Speaker 2>the time. He was working there, and he was getting

627
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<v Speaker 2>off and I was waiting for him to get off

628
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:27.079
<v Speaker 2>of work and we were going to go celebrate with

629
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:30.519
<v Speaker 2>his family Year's Eve. So I was in my kitchen

630
00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:32.519
<v Speaker 2>waiting to go and meet him. But I went on

631
00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:34.039
<v Speaker 2>sky with a friend of mine who was in the

632
00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:39.440
<v Speaker 2>States and he was in Sedona, Arizona. And when he

633
00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:41.799
<v Speaker 2>got he told me he was in Sedona and I said, oh,

634
00:33:41.839 --> 00:33:44.319
<v Speaker 2>you just jokingly said you should keep an eye because

635
00:33:44.359 --> 00:33:47.839
<v Speaker 2>that's Ufu country out there, and we both laughed about it.

636
00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:50.200
<v Speaker 2>He didn't believe in any of that. Never really could

637
00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:51.839
<v Speaker 2>speak to him about any of it. So I was

638
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:55.079
<v Speaker 2>in my kitchen. I was in the kitchen table facing

639
00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:57.920
<v Speaker 2>my windows. So these windows, I don't I guess what

640
00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:01.359
<v Speaker 2>they're called. In English, they are called inns swing casement windows,

641
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:04.200
<v Speaker 2>which they kind of open like a door sort of.

642
00:34:04.400 --> 00:34:07.640
<v Speaker 2>They can open outwards or inwards or kind of lean

643
00:34:07.759 --> 00:34:12.119
<v Speaker 2>out for airflow. And I was facing the windows and

644
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:15.880
<v Speaker 2>three huge ones, and I was talking to him. It

645
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:19.239
<v Speaker 2>were just I remember what we were talking about. But

646
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:24.199
<v Speaker 2>from the corner of my eye, I see fireball just

647
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:27.559
<v Speaker 2>floating right up the same level as my window, and

648
00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:32.519
<v Speaker 2>it's moving really erradically, kind of like sort of bouncing around.

649
00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:35.400
<v Speaker 2>And so I see it and I'm talking to him

650
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:37.400
<v Speaker 2>and I said, wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on a minute.

651
00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:40.760
<v Speaker 2>So I go up to the window and like I said,

652
00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:43.360
<v Speaker 2>the door, the window opens like a door inward. So

653
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:46.039
<v Speaker 2>I opened it and I could see it. It was

654
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:50.800
<v Speaker 2>a fireball. And Nick, this is an important part that

655
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:53.199
<v Speaker 2>I kind of have to interrupt the story. The reason

656
00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:56.119
<v Speaker 2>why I wanted to share any of these experiences with

657
00:34:56.840 --> 00:35:01.159
<v Speaker 2>you on your podcast was because you had another guests

658
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:05.159
<v Speaker 2>on and I think the show was called Minnesota Skies,

659
00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:09.599
<v Speaker 2>and I believe his name was Matthew, and he was

660
00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:13.400
<v Speaker 2>the first person that I had ever heard explain this

661
00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:16.960
<v Speaker 2>orb because I believe he saw it at thirteen, and

662
00:35:17.000 --> 00:35:19.039
<v Speaker 2>he saw it again as later on as an adult,

663
00:35:19.639 --> 00:35:23.440
<v Speaker 2>and he described it as lava. And all I kept

664
00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:26.159
<v Speaker 2>saying when I was trying to describe it. I was

665
00:35:26.199 --> 00:35:29.280
<v Speaker 2>saying it looked like the sun, and he said the

666
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:30.800
<v Speaker 2>same thing. It was like the sun. It was a

667
00:35:31.599 --> 00:35:35.000
<v Speaker 2>energy flowing into itself. Instead of how do you see

668
00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:38.400
<v Speaker 2>you know stock footage of the sun, the energy is

669
00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:41.599
<v Speaker 2>going outward, you know, everything shooting outward. This was going

670
00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:47.119
<v Speaker 2>inward and it was orange and white, had tones of yellow,

671
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:49.920
<v Speaker 2>and I could almost wear I heard like a buzzing,

672
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:51.480
<v Speaker 2>but I don't know if it was coming from that

673
00:35:51.639 --> 00:35:53.840
<v Speaker 2>or maybe the building across the street, but it had

674
00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:56.199
<v Speaker 2>like like a little buzz sound. So at that point,

675
00:35:56.280 --> 00:36:00.639
<v Speaker 2>I grabbed my computer and I took took it to

676
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:03.039
<v Speaker 2>the window and I told my friend, can you see

677
00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:06.920
<v Speaker 2>what I'm seeing right now? And he said, yeah, what

678
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:09.719
<v Speaker 2>is that? And I said, it's a ball of fire.

679
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:13.280
<v Speaker 2>And then he says, who's controlling that? I don't know.

680
00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:16.119
<v Speaker 2>There's nobody in the street. There's literally nobody in the street.

681
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:19.280
<v Speaker 2>And he said, what is that. The whole time my

682
00:36:19.400 --> 00:36:23.039
<v Speaker 2>phone was sitting there, my iPhone, not once did I

683
00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:26.639
<v Speaker 2>ever think to pick it up and film it, Not

684
00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:29.039
<v Speaker 2>even once. I was just trying to figure out what

685
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:31.159
<v Speaker 2>it was. Number one, number two. I was trying to

686
00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:34.960
<v Speaker 2>figure out was it dangerous number. And then I'm trying

687
00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:38.320
<v Speaker 2>to figure out am I dreaming right now? Because this

688
00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:41.320
<v Speaker 2>is not supposed to exist. So the thing is, I

689
00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:45.159
<v Speaker 2>felt like it was staring at me. I really felt

690
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:48.199
<v Speaker 2>like it was watching me and my friend on Skypseid.

691
00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:51.840
<v Speaker 2>I think, I think it's scoping you out. And he

692
00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:54.679
<v Speaker 2>was joking and I said, I cannot believe what I'm

693
00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:57.199
<v Speaker 2>witnessing right now. So it kind of started floating away,

694
00:36:57.400 --> 00:37:00.320
<v Speaker 2>and it flew across the street. There was a a

695
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:03.800
<v Speaker 2>building that was lower. I lived in a tall apartment building,

696
00:37:03.800 --> 00:37:06.239
<v Speaker 2>but there was a like a designer furniture store right

697
00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:09.760
<v Speaker 2>across the street, but it was only one level, and

698
00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:12.679
<v Speaker 2>there were two people at that point that started coming

699
00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:15.239
<v Speaker 2>walking off. So I yelled at them, man Sweeters, and

700
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:18.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, look up, do you see that? And They're like,

701
00:37:18.199 --> 00:37:20.760
<v Speaker 2>what the hell are you talking about? They're just looking

702
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:23.480
<v Speaker 2>at me, like are you drunk? So the thing just

703
00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:28.440
<v Speaker 2>flew up and flew away, and as crazy as it sounds,

704
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:33.559
<v Speaker 2>it flew up pretty slowly, and it turned into a

705
00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:35.679
<v Speaker 2>star that you see in the night sky. And I

706
00:37:36.039 --> 00:37:39.559
<v Speaker 2>know it sounds really cliche, but that's exactly what happened.

707
00:37:39.760 --> 00:37:42.079
<v Speaker 2>Any star that you could see on a bright, bright,

708
00:37:42.119 --> 00:37:45.519
<v Speaker 2>starry night. That's what it turned into. And it sounds corny,

709
00:37:45.559 --> 00:37:49.880
<v Speaker 2>but it's exactly what happened. And your guest explained that,

710
00:37:50.280 --> 00:37:52.719
<v Speaker 2>and when he explained it, it really hit me and

711
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:55.159
<v Speaker 2>I said, I have to share my story too, because

712
00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:58.159
<v Speaker 2>I can't believe that someone else saw what I saw

713
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:01.840
<v Speaker 2>and explained it the same better than what I even

714
00:38:02.039 --> 00:38:04.599
<v Speaker 2>was able to explain it. So that was a pretty

715
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:09.360
<v Speaker 2>significant sighting with somebody else also, and that person just chose,

716
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:12.880
<v Speaker 2>the person that witnessed it with me online, just chose

717
00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:14.920
<v Speaker 2>to ignore it. They didn't want to talk about it,

718
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:19.199
<v Speaker 2>they didn't want to, you know, look into it, moving

719
00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:22.440
<v Speaker 2>on with life, and I just couldn't. I could not

720
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:25.360
<v Speaker 2>move on with life. I just had to figure out

721
00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:29.079
<v Speaker 2>what it was that was in Sweden. And nothing else

722
00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:31.480
<v Speaker 2>happened after that. I mean, I never had anything in

723
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:35.400
<v Speaker 2>the apartment. I've had parisions passing through in other apartments,

724
00:38:35.480 --> 00:38:37.079
<v Speaker 2>you know, stuff I'm not going to discuss today, But

725
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:40.519
<v Speaker 2>nothing in that apartment ever happened inside. It was just

726
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:43.800
<v Speaker 2>that one orb that it was about the size of

727
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:47.199
<v Speaker 2>what the I guess they're called medicine balls that they

728
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:51.079
<v Speaker 2>used at the gym. It was about that size, and

729
00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:54.519
<v Speaker 2>it was really bright, but it was contained light, like

730
00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:57.480
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't shining light anywhere, but it was like contained

731
00:38:57.639 --> 00:39:00.880
<v Speaker 2>within itself. And that's the only way I could describe it.

732
00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:04.960
<v Speaker 2>But it was a pretty significant sighting. And then the

733
00:39:05.039 --> 00:39:08.280
<v Speaker 2>next one is I moved back to New York City.

734
00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:12.760
<v Speaker 2>This was September first, twenty fifteen. I was living alone.

735
00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:17.039
<v Speaker 2>Moved back to the same building I lived in Queens,

736
00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:19.519
<v Speaker 2>but a different apartment on the same floor. But I

737
00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:22.039
<v Speaker 2>was pretty happy and that building was close to the city.

738
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:24.480
<v Speaker 2>I had no complaints about it. I love living there.

739
00:39:24.519 --> 00:39:26.920
<v Speaker 2>So I moved back. But I brought my cat from

740
00:39:27.159 --> 00:39:30.039
<v Speaker 2>Sweden and she was living with me in the apartment.

741
00:39:30.119 --> 00:39:31.840
<v Speaker 2>And I've had this cat since she was a kid,

742
00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:36.079
<v Speaker 2>and pretty consistent behavior. She was always playful, slept a lot,

743
00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:39.119
<v Speaker 2>normal cat stuff. But then one day she started acting

744
00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:42.239
<v Speaker 2>bizarrely like she started staring at things at the wall

745
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:44.880
<v Speaker 2>for a good twenty thirty minutes and kind of following

746
00:39:44.920 --> 00:39:47.079
<v Speaker 2>something something that I couldn't see, and I thought it

747
00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:49.920
<v Speaker 2>was maybe a bug flu in. I don't know what

748
00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:52.000
<v Speaker 2>is she staring at it. I didn't see anything or

749
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:55.000
<v Speaker 2>like a dust or something but she would mew and

750
00:39:55.079 --> 00:39:58.800
<v Speaker 2>sept incessantly, and just she would wake up and just

751
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:01.239
<v Speaker 2>be I'd wake up and she'd be staring at something

752
00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:03.880
<v Speaker 2>at the wall, and I'm like, and I'd have to

753
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:05.760
<v Speaker 2>snap her out of it. I'd be like, her name

754
00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:07.760
<v Speaker 2>is Misho, and I'd be like, me should snap out

755
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:09.400
<v Speaker 2>of it. And I had mentioned it to some of

756
00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:11.760
<v Speaker 2>my friends. I'm like, she's acting really bizarrely. I mean,

757
00:40:11.880 --> 00:40:14.400
<v Speaker 2>I even thought about taking her to a vet to

758
00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:18.679
<v Speaker 2>see maybe she had like dementia, early stages of dementia.

759
00:40:18.760 --> 00:40:23.159
<v Speaker 2>But I had a surveillance camera in the apartment. I

760
00:40:23.199 --> 00:40:27.199
<v Speaker 2>had two of them, actually, and one I had facing

761
00:40:27.599 --> 00:40:31.000
<v Speaker 2>in the bedroom and had one facing the front door

762
00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:33.519
<v Speaker 2>for security and also to watch her to see what

763
00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:35.719
<v Speaker 2>she's doing, because I would work long hours sometimes and

764
00:40:35.960 --> 00:40:37.840
<v Speaker 2>I'd feel bad that she was by herself. She was

765
00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:40.280
<v Speaker 2>kind of a needy cat. But one day I was

766
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:45.079
<v Speaker 2>at work and the camera just motion. It was motion censored,

767
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:47.840
<v Speaker 2>so it would send me nap an image of anything

768
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:50.679
<v Speaker 2>that would move in front of the camera, and it

769
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:54.440
<v Speaker 2>snapped several pictures in a row with nothing in it.

770
00:40:54.760 --> 00:40:56.480
<v Speaker 2>My cat was not in it. It was just blank

771
00:40:56.480 --> 00:41:00.280
<v Speaker 2>blank blank blank blank so one of them. It was

772
00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:01.880
<v Speaker 2>a series of pictures. So I was at work, I

773
00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:04.159
<v Speaker 2>did really pay attention to it, but on my way home,

774
00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:06.559
<v Speaker 2>I started kind of reviewing the images, and in the

775
00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:12.800
<v Speaker 2>image there was a captured an entity floating above a

776
00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:15.280
<v Speaker 2>chair that I had that I used to block the

777
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:18.239
<v Speaker 2>closet because the cat learned how to open the closet

778
00:41:18.280 --> 00:41:21.239
<v Speaker 2>door and she would rummage through my clothes and there

779
00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:22.920
<v Speaker 2>would be fur all over it and I would have

780
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:25.880
<v Speaker 2>to spend, you know, twenty thirty minutes cleaning one pair

781
00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:29.119
<v Speaker 2>of black pants. So I would put a desk chair

782
00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:31.679
<v Speaker 2>in front of it to block it, and this entity

783
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:34.519
<v Speaker 2>was floating above it, and you can see it clearly.

784
00:41:34.679 --> 00:41:36.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to send you that when Nick I sent

785
00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:40.000
<v Speaker 2>you to the same one and captured that image. So

786
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:42.239
<v Speaker 2>that's when I knew that's what what the cat was

787
00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:44.199
<v Speaker 2>looking at. I knew right away that's what the cat

788
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:45.920
<v Speaker 2>was seeing. It was seeing something that I could not

789
00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:49.800
<v Speaker 2>and this camera captured something I could not see. So

790
00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:52.320
<v Speaker 2>the next day I was freaking out. I just was

791
00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:56.280
<v Speaker 2>looking online everything, just trying to find anything I could

792
00:41:56.400 --> 00:41:59.440
<v Speaker 2>about what I was experiencing at home. I had experienced

793
00:41:59.519 --> 00:42:03.880
<v Speaker 2>things before, but I had never really captured anything. I

794
00:42:03.960 --> 00:42:06.679
<v Speaker 2>never saw them since I was a kid. I remember

795
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:10.239
<v Speaker 2>seeing those things walking around in my parents' house, but

796
00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:12.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, as I grew up older, I never saw

797
00:42:12.280 --> 00:42:15.679
<v Speaker 2>them until I moved back into this apartment. So I

798
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:18.760
<v Speaker 2>was in bookstores trying to figure out, picking up a

799
00:42:18.760 --> 00:42:21.280
<v Speaker 2>bunch of books, just a lot of garbage to sort through,

800
00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:23.760
<v Speaker 2>or things that were irrelevant, like stuff in the nineteen

801
00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:27.400
<v Speaker 2>twenties ponted hotels, that nothing that I could really reference

802
00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:30.559
<v Speaker 2>for what I was going through. And I remember I

803
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:32.960
<v Speaker 2>picked up one book. This was the very next day

804
00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:35.320
<v Speaker 2>it happened. I picked up one book at a bookstore

805
00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:38.119
<v Speaker 2>called Barnes and Noble here in America. And I picked

806
00:42:38.199 --> 00:42:40.760
<v Speaker 2>up one book and I started sorting through it, and

807
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:43.599
<v Speaker 2>it was great. I had a lot of information about

808
00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:48.360
<v Speaker 2>spirits and dead and not in a religious kind of way,

809
00:42:48.599 --> 00:42:50.679
<v Speaker 2>no religio, not in a religious connotation, but it was

810
00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:54.360
<v Speaker 2>kind of just in spirit realm and just sorting through

811
00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:56.199
<v Speaker 2>the book. I loved it. But then at one point

812
00:42:56.199 --> 00:42:58.239
<v Speaker 2>I was just no, I can't, I can't, I can't

813
00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:00.159
<v Speaker 2>go down that rabbit hole again. So I put the

814
00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:02.760
<v Speaker 2>book back. I put it right back, and so I

815
00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:05.360
<v Speaker 2>went to work. I went straight to work. So I worked.

816
00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:09.800
<v Speaker 2>I was bartending again the Suzari Waterfront Pop property in

817
00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:13.079
<v Speaker 2>the By the Seaport area by Seul Street Seaport in

818
00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:16.159
<v Speaker 2>New York City, and my manager came up to me

819
00:43:16.199 --> 00:43:19.599
<v Speaker 2>and they said, listen, we have a big event happening tonight.

820
00:43:19.719 --> 00:43:22.440
<v Speaker 2>It's the Dutch and wrap up for a TV show

821
00:43:22.800 --> 00:43:24.599
<v Speaker 2>and it's going to be about one hundred and fifty people.

822
00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:27.000
<v Speaker 2>You're the only bars there tonight, and I said, and

823
00:43:27.039 --> 00:43:29.480
<v Speaker 2>they asked, can you handle it? I was like, of course, man,

824
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:31.639
<v Speaker 2>I've been doing this for god knows how many years.

825
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:33.679
<v Speaker 2>I could do this in my sleep. So they said,

826
00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:37.760
<v Speaker 2>it's for a TV show called The Long Island Medium

827
00:43:38.039 --> 00:43:40.519
<v Speaker 2>And I said, where do I Where did I hear

828
00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:43.880
<v Speaker 2>about that? And it was the same book I had

829
00:43:43.920 --> 00:43:46.920
<v Speaker 2>picked up earlier that day that her name is Teresa Kakuro.

830
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:50.199
<v Speaker 2>She wrote the book regarding the Spirits, and she was

831
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:52.840
<v Speaker 2>she showed up at my job that same night, so

832
00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:56.039
<v Speaker 2>I was just floored. I said, there's no way that

833
00:43:56.039 --> 00:44:00.320
<v Speaker 2>that's too much of a coincidence. No way, But anyway,

834
00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:04.360
<v Speaker 2>the party started, it was got so busy and I

835
00:44:04.519 --> 00:44:06.320
<v Speaker 2>really wanted to try to talk to her, but it

836
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:08.400
<v Speaker 2>was just too busy for me. I couldn't get any

837
00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:10.760
<v Speaker 2>opportunity to get close to her. And they were actually

838
00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:14.159
<v Speaker 2>sitting outside and I was indoors in the bar inside,

839
00:44:14.199 --> 00:44:19.679
<v Speaker 2>and so we were starting to wrap up, and I said, okay, well,

840
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:21.039
<v Speaker 2>I guess I didn't have a chance to talk to her.

841
00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:23.360
<v Speaker 2>What are you going to do? It's just a weird coincidence.

842
00:44:23.519 --> 00:44:26.840
<v Speaker 2>All of a sudden, she walks through, she walks into

843
00:44:26.920 --> 00:44:29.239
<v Speaker 2>my area and she comes straight to me, and she

844
00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:31.519
<v Speaker 2>asked me, do you know where the waitress is? And

845
00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:36.000
<v Speaker 2>I said no, as she said, oh, because I just

846
00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:37.239
<v Speaker 2>need to talk to her. And I asked her, is

847
00:44:37.239 --> 00:44:39.079
<v Speaker 2>everything okay? And she said, yeah, everything's great. I just

848
00:44:39.119 --> 00:44:40.800
<v Speaker 2>want to open another tab and we're going to stay

849
00:44:40.840 --> 00:44:42.760
<v Speaker 2>a little bit longer. And I said, oh, yeah, of course,

850
00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:44.519
<v Speaker 2>it's no problem. I can start that for you. We

851
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:48.039
<v Speaker 2>can just reopen it. And I said, I'm so sorry, Teresa.

852
00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:50.239
<v Speaker 2>My name is Leo. I really have to talk to

853
00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:52.679
<v Speaker 2>you for a second, and she said, yeah, what's up?

854
00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:55.440
<v Speaker 2>And I explained to her the story of what I

855
00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:58.840
<v Speaker 2>was going through. And at this point everybody started kind

856
00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:02.400
<v Speaker 2>of around this because they wanted to hear what I

857
00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:04.239
<v Speaker 2>was saying to her and what her response was going

858
00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:07.079
<v Speaker 2>to be. And she was really sweet about it, and

859
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:09.800
<v Speaker 2>she told me, I know she goes. I could tell

860
00:45:09.920 --> 00:45:12.159
<v Speaker 2>you have a lot of energy that attracts energy like

861
00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:14.719
<v Speaker 2>attracts like she goes. I could tell she's right away.

862
00:45:15.039 --> 00:45:17.280
<v Speaker 2>And she said that she also has camera set up

863
00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:20.119
<v Speaker 2>in her back area and the she said there's a

864
00:45:20.119 --> 00:45:24.639
<v Speaker 2>lot of things that she captures on camera. And I

865
00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:28.039
<v Speaker 2>told her, I've seen these things since I was a kid,

866
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:30.800
<v Speaker 2>and she said, don't worry about it. Don't go crazy

867
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:32.719
<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out what it is. You have a

868
00:45:32.760 --> 00:45:35.320
<v Speaker 2>good energy. Nothing ever is going to come to you

869
00:45:35.360 --> 00:45:38.119
<v Speaker 2>with a bad energy. And I remember she said that

870
00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:39.800
<v Speaker 2>to me, and I said, thank you so much for

871
00:45:39.840 --> 00:45:42.480
<v Speaker 2>saying that, and I'm really sorry for bothering you. She said, no, no, no,

872
00:45:42.519 --> 00:45:44.960
<v Speaker 2>she goes, not at all. She goes, if you need anything,

873
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:47.719
<v Speaker 2>just shoot me an email and she goes, anything happens,

874
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:49.599
<v Speaker 2>I can let me know. And she was really sweet

875
00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:51.840
<v Speaker 2>about it. And I said, may I take a picture

876
00:45:51.920 --> 00:45:54.800
<v Speaker 2>with you, because if I tell this story to anyone,

877
00:45:54.920 --> 00:45:57.320
<v Speaker 2>no one would ever believe me. And she was so

878
00:45:57.320 --> 00:45:59.199
<v Speaker 2>sweet about it. And that's one of the pictures I

879
00:45:59.239 --> 00:46:02.199
<v Speaker 2>sent you with her when I was bartending. That was

880
00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:06.199
<v Speaker 2>beyond a coincidence, you know, like what I could say

881
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:09.880
<v Speaker 2>about something like that happening. Yeah, I moved around after that.

882
00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:15.559
<v Speaker 2>I lived in Los Angeles, in Miami, nothing happened. Nothing

883
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:21.440
<v Speaker 2>happened in those apartments. There's no weird knockings, no sidings,

884
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:24.880
<v Speaker 2>absolutely nothing. And this I lived in LA during COVID.

885
00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:27.920
<v Speaker 2>I was indoors a lot of the time. Nothing ever

886
00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:31.880
<v Speaker 2>happened in my apartment in Santa Monica, lived in Miami,

887
00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:35.400
<v Speaker 2>then finally I moved back to New York and now

888
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:38.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm in Hoboken, And this is where I'm going to

889
00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:40.159
<v Speaker 2>kind of start wrapping up and why I wanted to

890
00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:43.639
<v Speaker 2>talk about this because I became sober recently, and I

891
00:46:43.679 --> 00:46:47.679
<v Speaker 2>think that that kind of opened up my communication to

892
00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:51.000
<v Speaker 2>these things. Sober from alcohol, not from drugs or anything,

893
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:54.159
<v Speaker 2>but I think it opened up my communication with these

894
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:58.559
<v Speaker 2>things because I've been I started spotting them again and

895
00:46:58.599 --> 00:47:01.800
<v Speaker 2>they're letting me know they're there. And I don't know.

896
00:47:02.039 --> 00:47:05.639
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you've heard this from other people on your podcast.

897
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:08.519
<v Speaker 2>I was sitting on my balcony. I think this was

898
00:47:08.679 --> 00:47:10.480
<v Speaker 2>I think I sent you a video of that. On

899
00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:13.079
<v Speaker 2>June thirteenth. I was just sitting looking at the city.

900
00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:15.400
<v Speaker 2>I have a clear city view of Manhattan on the

901
00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:18.800
<v Speaker 2>balcony and just kind of relaxing. It was a beautiful

902
00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:22.480
<v Speaker 2>day and something in my head it was like a

903
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:25.320
<v Speaker 2>voice that said turn around. And I turned around and

904
00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:29.480
<v Speaker 2>there was black triangle UFO. It was pretty high up.

905
00:47:29.559 --> 00:47:33.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean it was just hovering. And now I'm not

906
00:47:33.159 --> 00:47:36.679
<v Speaker 2>so much a little bit more quicker on the trigger

907
00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:39.360
<v Speaker 2>to be able to take a picture. But for that one,

908
00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:41.360
<v Speaker 2>I called my friend. I was trying to get someone

909
00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:45.119
<v Speaker 2>on FaceTime video call to see this. Kept calling her

910
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:46.679
<v Speaker 2>and she's like, I'm in the shower. I'm in the shower.

911
00:47:46.679 --> 00:47:47.960
<v Speaker 2>I said, oh, you got a coup I have a

912
00:47:48.039 --> 00:47:50.239
<v Speaker 2>UFO right in front of me. So by then, by

913
00:47:50.280 --> 00:47:52.000
<v Speaker 2>the time I hung up with her, it started to

914
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:54.880
<v Speaker 2>float away, but it sent me a message in it

915
00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:57.119
<v Speaker 2>let me know it was there. There was another time also,

916
00:47:57.320 --> 00:48:00.000
<v Speaker 2>that's another short kind of clip, and I was actually,

917
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:01.840
<v Speaker 2>if you're ined the clip today, Nick, When I was

918
00:48:01.880 --> 00:48:04.000
<v Speaker 2>going through the video, I didn't realize there were four

919
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:06.639
<v Speaker 2>orbs there because it was a really bright day and

920
00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:09.039
<v Speaker 2>I only saw three. When you look at the video

921
00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:11.559
<v Speaker 2>this four. I just realized it today, And this happened

922
00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:14.480
<v Speaker 2>last year. I was coming out of a supermarket and

923
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:18.119
<v Speaker 2>the same thing just said, look up, looked tough and

924
00:48:18.360 --> 00:48:21.480
<v Speaker 2>there were these Now I guess four orbs. I thought

925
00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:23.800
<v Speaker 2>it was three until I looked at the video today.

926
00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:27.559
<v Speaker 2>Four orbs flying right above me in the daylight. It

927
00:48:27.599 --> 00:48:30.639
<v Speaker 2>was not like these things happened at night. And you know,

928
00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:34.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to say that I'm anything special or like,

929
00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:36.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to sound like I have a delusions

930
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:39.199
<v Speaker 2>of grandeur or anything. I just trying to figure out

931
00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:44.159
<v Speaker 2>what this all means because I'm experiencing things that are

932
00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:47.360
<v Speaker 2>not supposed to be real. It's just supposed to be folklore.

933
00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:52.239
<v Speaker 2>And I'm trying to get information. And that's one of

934
00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:54.519
<v Speaker 2>the reasons why I wanted to come on here and

935
00:48:54.559 --> 00:48:57.559
<v Speaker 2>talk to you, Nick, because I know you've heard so

936
00:48:57.679 --> 00:49:01.519
<v Speaker 2>many stories, so many accounts, and you probably have a

937
00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:03.920
<v Speaker 2>lot of pieces to the puzzle, but maybe not the

938
00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:06.920
<v Speaker 2>whole puzzles. We don't have full disclosure. I wanted to

939
00:49:06.960 --> 00:49:10.239
<v Speaker 2>come forward, especially because of your guests from that show,

940
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:14.239
<v Speaker 2>and talk about it. And also there's a lot of

941
00:49:14.280 --> 00:49:19.639
<v Speaker 2>people coming forward, like really high ranking people that are

942
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:24.760
<v Speaker 2>coming forward with information about experiencing things. And it's not

943
00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:28.519
<v Speaker 2>like before where they would report these things on the

944
00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:31.239
<v Speaker 2>news and they would you know, preface the story with

945
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:34.400
<v Speaker 2>like talking about Little Green Men, or they would have

946
00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:37.280
<v Speaker 2>the X Files music playing on the background. It's definitely

947
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:40.000
<v Speaker 2>taken a lot more serious now and I kind of

948
00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:43.519
<v Speaker 2>feel more inclined to talk about it. So that's one

949
00:49:43.519 --> 00:49:46.639
<v Speaker 2>of the reasons why I wanted to, you know, tell

950
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:49.360
<v Speaker 2>my story, and I appreciate you giving me the opportunity

951
00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:52.480
<v Speaker 2>to do so wonderful stuff. Leo.

952
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:56.920
<v Speaker 5>First things, First, congratulations on remaining sober. How long has

953
00:49:56.960 --> 00:49:57.440
<v Speaker 5>it been now?

954
00:49:57.800 --> 00:50:00.599
<v Speaker 2>Thank you. It's been about thirty some days. But I

955
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:03.199
<v Speaker 2>had a few stints where there were like forty five

956
00:50:03.519 --> 00:50:07.280
<v Speaker 2>days last year, longer periods, but now it's like really stuck.

957
00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:10.840
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's good. It's not an easy thing to overcome.

958
00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:13.679
<v Speaker 5>Keep doing it. It's way better for you. Yeah, So

959
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:16.880
<v Speaker 5>anyone else struggling out there, listen to Leo. It is

960
00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:17.920
<v Speaker 5>completely possible.

961
00:50:18.199 --> 00:50:22.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, And I think that they're coming around more

962
00:50:22.639 --> 00:50:26.599
<v Speaker 2>because now I'm more clear headed, I sleep better, I'm

963
00:50:26.639 --> 00:50:29.280
<v Speaker 2>able to get insights on a lot of different things

964
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:31.000
<v Speaker 2>that I wasn't able to be in the past when

965
00:50:31.000 --> 00:50:33.039
<v Speaker 2>I was. You know, I was never really like a heavy,

966
00:50:33.079 --> 00:50:35.800
<v Speaker 2>heavy drinker, but I know that I was drinking more

967
00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:37.440
<v Speaker 2>than I should have, and it was something I just

968
00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:40.079
<v Speaker 2>wanted to cut out completely. So I'm really glad that

969
00:50:40.119 --> 00:50:42.360
<v Speaker 2>I did, and thank you for that. I appreciate you

970
00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:42.760
<v Speaker 2>saying that.

971
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:45.840
<v Speaker 5>Just going back to the Long Island medium, we don't

972
00:50:45.880 --> 00:50:49.079
<v Speaker 5>really believe in coincidences on this show, this definitely does

973
00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:52.559
<v Speaker 5>seem like synchronicity. You know, you picked up a book

974
00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:56.719
<v Speaker 5>in the bookstore and then you ended up working at

975
00:50:56.719 --> 00:50:59.599
<v Speaker 5>a place where she was that very evening.

976
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:02.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was a pretty big shock because I didn't

977
00:51:02.800 --> 00:51:06.000
<v Speaker 2>know who she was. To be honest, I didn't watch TV.

978
00:51:06.079 --> 00:51:09.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm not a big TV watcher, and I had never

979
00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:11.639
<v Speaker 2>really heard about her, To be honest, I was more

980
00:51:11.639 --> 00:51:14.440
<v Speaker 2>amazed that it was the person that wrote the book,

981
00:51:14.840 --> 00:51:18.639
<v Speaker 2>and she was the only author that I picked up

982
00:51:18.679 --> 00:51:21.719
<v Speaker 2>that day that really resonated with her message, really resonated

983
00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:25.000
<v Speaker 2>with what I needed to hear with my experience. I

984
00:51:25.039 --> 00:51:26.840
<v Speaker 2>had gone through a lot of books and I just

985
00:51:26.920 --> 00:51:29.360
<v Speaker 2>was not impression. It was just stuff that I wasn't

986
00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:33.199
<v Speaker 2>really explaining anything, but her book was really good, and yeah,

987
00:51:33.239 --> 00:51:34.639
<v Speaker 2>I was kind of weird that she ended up showing

988
00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:36.880
<v Speaker 2>up that night, So, yeah, you're right. I don't think

989
00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:38.920
<v Speaker 2>there aren't any coincidences in life.

990
00:51:39.039 --> 00:51:41.400
<v Speaker 5>No, I don't know. I think we're on a path

991
00:51:41.599 --> 00:51:44.920
<v Speaker 5>and people come into our lives for whatever reason, and

992
00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:47.800
<v Speaker 5>you know, whether it's to teach something or for us

993
00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:50.760
<v Speaker 5>to teach them maybe, But this does happen time after time.

994
00:51:50.800 --> 00:51:54.119
<v Speaker 2>I hear this absolutely, And a friend of mine mentioned

995
00:51:54.159 --> 00:51:56.599
<v Speaker 2>something to me also about that she doesn't think it

996
00:51:56.679 --> 00:52:01.719
<v Speaker 2>is a coincidence about the New Jersey drone happening and

997
00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:04.519
<v Speaker 2>I moved here about a year ago. Maybe she said,

998
00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:06.360
<v Speaker 2>I just don't think it's a quincy because I had

999
00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:09.199
<v Speaker 2>mentioned it to her before they were being reported, because

1000
00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:11.599
<v Speaker 2>I could have a goo advantage point pretty far from

1001
00:52:11.599 --> 00:52:13.840
<v Speaker 2>where I am and Hoboken, but I can see them

1002
00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:16.599
<v Speaker 2>late at night on a cleared night, I saw many

1003
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:19.519
<v Speaker 2>of them, and I couldn't see the way they're being

1004
00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:22.880
<v Speaker 2>filmed on the news, but they would be floating very

1005
00:52:22.880 --> 00:52:26.840
<v Speaker 2>low to the ground for hours. And I know because

1006
00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:29.519
<v Speaker 2>I have the view that I have is unobstructed. There's

1007
00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:31.880
<v Speaker 2>no other tall building blocking mine. I have a great

1008
00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:34.000
<v Speaker 2>view of the city and a great view west and

1009
00:52:34.079 --> 00:52:36.679
<v Speaker 2>all of these were west of where I am, and

1010
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:39.559
<v Speaker 2>they were pretty significant things, not good enough for me

1011
00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:42.239
<v Speaker 2>to film, but I can see them. They were just bright.

1012
00:52:42.400 --> 00:52:45.440
<v Speaker 2>They turn it to really bright, shiny objects and they

1013
00:52:45.480 --> 00:52:49.000
<v Speaker 2>start shooting things to the ground. Witnessed their way before

1014
00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:52.000
<v Speaker 2>they were being reported, and I'm like, okay, good, somebody's

1015
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:54.559
<v Speaker 2>talking about it. We need to know what it is.

1016
00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:58.159
<v Speaker 2>Then something very strange that happened. Also, This was after

1017
00:52:58.400 --> 00:53:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Thanksgiving here in the US. It was probably the end

1018
00:53:00.960 --> 00:53:03.960
<v Speaker 2>of November. There was a during that time that they

1019
00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:07.639
<v Speaker 2>were really being reported heavily on the news. Really thick

1020
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:10.119
<v Speaker 2>fog came through here. I don't know if you've heard

1021
00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:12.760
<v Speaker 2>about that. There's a lot a phenomenon here in different

1022
00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:14.719
<v Speaker 2>parts of the country. They don't know what it is.

1023
00:53:14.840 --> 00:53:17.280
<v Speaker 2>They think it's like some man made thing. But it

1024
00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:20.239
<v Speaker 2>was coming from that area from west and it was

1025
00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:25.480
<v Speaker 2>a really thick, fast moving fog. It enveloped the whole

1026
00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:29.559
<v Speaker 2>of Hoboken, so thick that you couldn't even I couldn't

1027
00:53:29.559 --> 00:53:31.039
<v Speaker 2>even see down to the street from where I am.

1028
00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:33.519
<v Speaker 2>And I'm used to fog because I lived in California,

1029
00:53:33.559 --> 00:53:35.480
<v Speaker 2>and I can see when the fog was coming off

1030
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:38.559
<v Speaker 2>the ocean into off the Pacific Ocean into Santa Monica.

1031
00:53:38.719 --> 00:53:41.280
<v Speaker 2>It's a slow moving thing. It takes like a good

1032
00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:43.880
<v Speaker 2>forty five minutes to an hour before you see it

1033
00:53:43.880 --> 00:53:48.400
<v Speaker 2>from there coming into land. This moved really quickly. A

1034
00:53:48.440 --> 00:53:51.920
<v Speaker 2>few weeks later, I started being reported like some phenomenon,

1035
00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:55.480
<v Speaker 2>like some weird fog. That's another weird thing that happened here.

1036
00:53:55.599 --> 00:53:57.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, don't. I can't tell you Nick what

1037
00:53:57.559 --> 00:53:57.880
<v Speaker 2>it is.

1038
00:53:58.119 --> 00:54:01.079
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that fog was strange, I believe. Also at the

1039
00:54:01.119 --> 00:54:03.679
<v Speaker 5>same time it happened in the United Kingdom.

1040
00:54:03.840 --> 00:54:06.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh really, it was reported there, Yeah.

1041
00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:08.000
<v Speaker 5>Exactly the same time as it was happening in the US.

1042
00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:12.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And it was weird because this happened weeks before

1043
00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:15.119
<v Speaker 2>it was reported, and I just just was right in

1044
00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:17.199
<v Speaker 2>the middle of it. I didn't even care to film it.

1045
00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:19.719
<v Speaker 2>I just thought it was odd. And as quickly as

1046
00:54:19.719 --> 00:54:22.199
<v Speaker 2>it came through, it left, and it just went east

1047
00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:26.280
<v Speaker 2>towards Manhattan and and off. There was nothing behind it.

1048
00:54:26.280 --> 00:54:29.519
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't even cloudy. It just looked like a really condensed,

1049
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:33.760
<v Speaker 2>thick fog. And nobody spoke about it on the news here.

1050
00:54:33.840 --> 00:54:37.039
<v Speaker 2>I just couldnt believe it. So things weird, things happening, Nick,

1051
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:39.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Maybe it's twenty twenty five. Is the

1052
00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:42.239
<v Speaker 2>big shift, big paradigm shift for people.

1053
00:54:42.280 --> 00:54:46.000
<v Speaker 5>I guess, very very possible. But your apartment you're in now,

1054
00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:48.599
<v Speaker 5>Hoboken is on the Hudson.

1055
00:54:48.400 --> 00:54:50.679
<v Speaker 2>Yes, on the Hudson side. I'm very close to the water.

1056
00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:54.159
<v Speaker 5>So the apartment you're in now, there really been anything

1057
00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:55.159
<v Speaker 5>happening recently.

1058
00:54:55.519 --> 00:55:00.000
<v Speaker 2>I did see a shadow figure. Again, it was questionable

1059
00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:02.239
<v Speaker 2>because I saw her from the corner of my eye

1060
00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:04.960
<v Speaker 2>and I didn't want to look straight at it because

1061
00:55:04.960 --> 00:55:06.920
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to make sure that it wasn't just like

1062
00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:10.639
<v Speaker 2>a reflection of something from the outside. I did kind

1063
00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:12.280
<v Speaker 2>of see a shadow figure, but I don't want to

1064
00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:16.039
<v Speaker 2>se hundred percent. But overall, nothing major has happened here, thankfulness,

1065
00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:19.159
<v Speaker 2>because late at night it could be pretty creepy in

1066
00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:19.760
<v Speaker 2>the dark.

1067
00:55:20.039 --> 00:55:22.920
<v Speaker 5>I'll tell you, Leo. You know, I've lived in haunted

1068
00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:26.679
<v Speaker 5>ices over the years, and it's one thing go into place,

1069
00:55:26.719 --> 00:55:29.320
<v Speaker 5>whether it's a haunted hotel, there's one thing doing that.

1070
00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:32.480
<v Speaker 5>It's another thing living in the same location, you know,

1071
00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:35.320
<v Speaker 5>where you have to sleep with one eye open sometimes.

1072
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:39.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, that was what I explained to the medium

1073
00:55:39.199 --> 00:55:41.199
<v Speaker 2>because I told her, is it something I have to

1074
00:55:41.719 --> 00:55:45.360
<v Speaker 2>vanish or get an extracist or something, And she said, no,

1075
00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:48.360
<v Speaker 2>it's a good energy, so don't even lose any sleep

1076
00:55:48.400 --> 00:55:51.079
<v Speaker 2>over it. She was very matter of fact about it.

1077
00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:53.519
<v Speaker 2>She said, you have good energy. There was no way

1078
00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:56.599
<v Speaker 2>that you'd be issue because if you were carrying around

1079
00:55:56.599 --> 00:55:58.199
<v Speaker 2>a bad energy, I would tell you, I would know.

1080
00:55:58.360 --> 00:55:59.960
<v Speaker 2>That's her exact words.

1081
00:56:00.679 --> 00:56:03.519
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's the thing. In a lot of situations, they

1082
00:56:03.559 --> 00:56:07.880
<v Speaker 5>basically live among us. I would live, but they reside there.

1083
00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:10.639
<v Speaker 5>They may have lived there in the past, and they

1084
00:56:10.760 --> 00:56:12.719
<v Speaker 5>just kind of just doing their own thing, and if

1085
00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:15.719
<v Speaker 5>there's no problem, we tend to leave them be.

1086
00:56:16.159 --> 00:56:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And someone asked me I work the

1087
00:56:20.079 --> 00:56:22.159
<v Speaker 2>other day. They asked me if I had seen the

1088
00:56:22.199 --> 00:56:24.639
<v Speaker 2>new Jersey drones, and I said, yeah, and I've seen

1089
00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:28.119
<v Speaker 2>other crazy stuff throughout my life. I don't really elaborate

1090
00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:30.159
<v Speaker 2>because a lot of times when you talk to people

1091
00:56:30.159 --> 00:56:33.159
<v Speaker 2>about stuff like this, they tend to stare at you

1092
00:56:33.239 --> 00:56:36.679
<v Speaker 2>kind of blankly, and then at the end of when

1093
00:56:36.679 --> 00:56:39.199
<v Speaker 2>you kind of tell the story, they give you like

1094
00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:41.559
<v Speaker 2>a figure pad on the head, like, oh, you have

1095
00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:44.679
<v Speaker 2>a nice overactive imagination, so I don't really talk about it.

1096
00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:46.880
<v Speaker 2>He asked me, why is it that you see these

1097
00:56:46.920 --> 00:56:49.079
<v Speaker 2>things all the time, and I said, I don't know.

1098
00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:52.159
<v Speaker 2>I can't answer that. He said, I've never seen anything

1099
00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:54.159
<v Speaker 2>my whole life, and that seems to be the case

1100
00:56:54.159 --> 00:56:56.000
<v Speaker 2>with a lot of people. I don't know why. I

1101
00:56:56.039 --> 00:56:58.679
<v Speaker 2>would just like to know why I've seen all these.

1102
00:56:58.559 --> 00:57:01.559
<v Speaker 5>Things, trying to get answers that I don't know why

1103
00:57:01.599 --> 00:57:04.159
<v Speaker 5>some do and some don't. But what I do know is,

1104
00:57:04.360 --> 00:57:06.719
<v Speaker 5>like you said, these things aren't supposed to be real,

1105
00:57:06.760 --> 00:57:10.519
<v Speaker 5>supposed to remain in the bracket of folklore. But these

1106
00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:14.039
<v Speaker 5>things are real and people do experience them, and not

1107
00:57:14.079 --> 00:57:16.840
<v Speaker 5>everyone shares, and not everyone speaks about am for because

1108
00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:19.559
<v Speaker 5>of ridiculed and the old the pat on the head.

1109
00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:21.440
<v Speaker 5>Just go by the guests I've had on over the

1110
00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:24.039
<v Speaker 5>years and the hundreds of emails I get every month.

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00:57:24.199 --> 00:57:27.679
<v Speaker 2>People are experienced, and yeah, and that's great, and everybody

1112
00:57:27.679 --> 00:57:29.960
<v Speaker 2>should come forward. And like I said, it was compelled

1113
00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:31.719
<v Speaker 2>to come forward because of the guests you had on

1114
00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:34.519
<v Speaker 2>your show. Had it not been for it was actually

1115
00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:36.920
<v Speaker 2>his closing statement. He exactly said that if you have

1116
00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:39.199
<v Speaker 2>an experience, you know, come forward and talk about it,

1117
00:57:39.239 --> 00:57:42.000
<v Speaker 2>because that's speaking about it is what you know, gets

1118
00:57:42.039 --> 00:57:45.639
<v Speaker 2>that conversation going and normalizes it in a way. You know,

1119
00:57:45.679 --> 00:57:47.960
<v Speaker 2>I've lived with all these experiences over the years because

1120
00:57:47.960 --> 00:57:50.639
<v Speaker 2>I just didn't feel I had anyone to really talk

1121
00:57:50.840 --> 00:57:53.920
<v Speaker 2>to about it or you know, And I appreciate you

1122
00:57:54.039 --> 00:57:58.760
<v Speaker 2>giving me a platform to like express not only the experiences,

1123
00:57:58.840 --> 00:58:03.000
<v Speaker 2>but everything that happened after that was just as significant

1124
00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:07.199
<v Speaker 2>because my perspective on life really changed. I started looking

1125
00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:09.519
<v Speaker 2>into things and I started questioning things. I mean, I

1126
00:58:09.559 --> 00:58:13.000
<v Speaker 2>obviously go into things with a broader perspective. Now I

1127
00:58:13.000 --> 00:58:15.840
<v Speaker 2>don't just go believing everything, but I definitely have a

1128
00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:18.480
<v Speaker 2>broader perspective on things from experiencing this, and I want

1129
00:58:18.480 --> 00:58:21.239
<v Speaker 2>to find out more and listening to people coming on

1130
00:58:21.280 --> 00:58:24.239
<v Speaker 2>your show and sharing their experiences. I don't even like

1131
00:58:24.320 --> 00:58:27.480
<v Speaker 2>to say stories because when you say story probably has

1132
00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:30.679
<v Speaker 2>like a fictional connotation. So I like to say experiences

1133
00:58:31.199 --> 00:58:33.639
<v Speaker 2>because I know what our experience is real, no question

1134
00:58:33.719 --> 00:58:36.280
<v Speaker 2>about it. I mean, I don't have to try to

1135
00:58:36.320 --> 00:58:38.480
<v Speaker 2>prove it. I just want to know what the hell

1136
00:58:38.519 --> 00:58:41.280
<v Speaker 2>it is, and I want to normalize it the same

1137
00:58:41.320 --> 00:58:44.519
<v Speaker 2>way those whistleblowers are coming forth now and they're going

1138
00:58:44.559 --> 00:58:47.280
<v Speaker 2>to Congress, the US Congress and trying to get the

1139
00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:48.960
<v Speaker 2>truth out there. It's so important.

1140
00:58:49.239 --> 00:58:49.840
<v Speaker 5>Let's hope so.

1141
00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:50.199
<v Speaker 2>Leo.

1142
00:58:50.360 --> 00:58:53.239
<v Speaker 5>Well, Leo, it's great that you've come on and shared

1143
00:58:53.280 --> 00:58:56.960
<v Speaker 5>all this and definitely keeps updated. If anything else does happen,

1144
00:58:57.079 --> 00:59:00.679
<v Speaker 5>and any videos and photo you shared with us, I'll

1145
00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:02.719
<v Speaker 5>put them on the website so people can go and

1146
00:59:03.360 --> 00:59:03.920
<v Speaker 5>check them out.

1147
00:59:04.039 --> 00:59:06.559
<v Speaker 2>Awesome, thank you. I really appreciate it. Again. Thank you

1148
00:59:06.599 --> 00:59:08.719
<v Speaker 2>for having me on and letting me speak my truth.

1149
00:59:08.920 --> 00:59:11.800
<v Speaker 2>You're always great. You always create a good setting and

1150
00:59:11.840 --> 00:59:16.360
<v Speaker 2>a comfortable, safe space for people to speak openly. And

1151
00:59:16.440 --> 00:59:18.880
<v Speaker 2>I think that's why I really enjoy your show, because

1152
00:59:18.880 --> 00:59:21.119
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people talk about things that it's like

1153
00:59:21.159 --> 00:59:23.679
<v Speaker 2>they want to get it off their chest and they

1154
00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:27.360
<v Speaker 2>want to release that from that weight off and have

1155
00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:32.639
<v Speaker 2>people that are open minded listen to them, as opposed

1156
00:59:32.679 --> 00:59:35.119
<v Speaker 2>to someone who's just going to turn around and ridicule

1157
00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:38.159
<v Speaker 2>them or just be like oh or whatever. It's a

1158
00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:40.679
<v Speaker 2>great space and I think what you're doing is great

1159
00:59:40.719 --> 00:59:43.440
<v Speaker 2>and I appreciate it. And I'm sure other people out

1160
00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:46.039
<v Speaker 2>there maybe had the same experience and maybe what I

1161
00:59:46.079 --> 00:59:48.559
<v Speaker 2>said will help them, And that's that makes me feel better,

1162
00:59:48.639 --> 00:59:50.559
<v Speaker 2>So thank you.

1163
00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:54.679
<v Speaker 5>You're more than welcome, okay, Leo, Leo, I really appreciate

1164
00:59:54.760 --> 00:59:56.559
<v Speaker 5>you coming on sharing that for our listeners.

1165
00:59:56.719 --> 00:59:59.760
<v Speaker 2>Thank you. I appreciate you giving me the opportunity.

1166
00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:02.440
<v Speaker 5>Wonderful seeking you today. Okay, please keep in contact Leo

1167
01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:03.840
<v Speaker 5>and you enjoyed.

1168
01:00:03.599 --> 01:00:06.960
<v Speaker 2>The rest of your night. Thank you, Thank you one bye,

1169
01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:08.239
<v Speaker 2>take care brother speak soon.

1170
01:00:09.559 --> 01:00:12.880
<v Speaker 5>That is all for this episode. Keep updated and connected

1171
01:00:12.920 --> 01:00:15.679
<v Speaker 5>with the show on x Facebook and Instagram.

1172
01:00:15.800 --> 01:00:16.679
<v Speaker 2>And if you have an.

1173
01:00:16.599 --> 01:00:19.320
<v Speaker 5>Encounter that you'd like to share on the podcast, you

1174
01:00:19.360 --> 01:00:23.599
<v Speaker 5>can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com,

1175
01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:26.000
<v Speaker 5>or you can reach out to me via the contact

1176
01:00:26.000 --> 01:00:30.360
<v Speaker 5>page on my website Ufo Chronicles podcast dot com. A

1177
01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:33.239
<v Speaker 5>big fanga de Leo for sharing tonight and thank you

1178
01:00:33.400 --> 01:00:37.719
<v Speaker 5>all for listening. I will be back next week. Till then,

1179
01:00:38.159 --> 01:01:08.639
<v Speaker 5>stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye, s