1 00:00:12,679 --> 00:00:16,079 Speaker 1: Welcome to the KTPF Reload Show. In case you're wondering 2 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,199 what the Reload Show is about if you haven't heard 3 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,519 previous shows, these are the interviews that were conducted by 4 00:00:21,519 --> 00:00:23,559 a good friends of mine, Steven Sue Tagget in the 5 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,519 days of the KTPF radio show. They're on radio show 6 00:00:26,559 --> 00:00:29,359 around for just over four years, broadcasting every week for 7 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,119 over three hours. I joined them in the last eighteen 8 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,560 months of the show's run, but eventually the guys felt 9 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,119 they've just about had enough. It was a monumental effort 10 00:00:37,119 --> 00:00:39,240 to keep broadcasting every week for three hours. It was 11 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,960 a wonderful show, but unfortunately they are longer involved and 12 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:44,920 the shows have just sort of sat in the archives. 13 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:46,679 So I thought it would be nice to bring them 14 00:00:46,719 --> 00:00:49,399 back to life and bringing you the interviews that the 15 00:00:49,439 --> 00:00:52,039 guy has conducted over those four years and include some 16 00:00:52,119 --> 00:00:54,159 of the most interesting people within the world of the 17 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,079 paranormal and some not so well known but nevertheless still 18 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,719 very interesting. We even have one or two rather than 19 00:00:59,799 --> 00:01:02,840 you your shows, including a live science and other things 20 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:06,359 along those lines. Anyway, hopefully you enjoy tonight's show. And 21 00:01:06,439 --> 00:01:08,280 this is the KTPF for Releoach show. 22 00:01:08,719 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 2: Enjoy. 23 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:20,799 Speaker 3: You're in the right place online on Aware and Honor. 24 00:01:22,439 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 2: All over the world talk radio. 25 00:01:27,599 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 1: You hear us, We hear you. 26 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:36,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, goodeving everybody, and welcome to the KTPF Community Talk Radio. Yeah, 27 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,760 it's talk radio show tonight. And and for those of 28 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,799 you who have never been listening to the show before, 29 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:47,000 my name is Susan and we're here to try and 30 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:53,480 talk everything paranormal, creature, zoology and strange phenomena to your 31 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:59,319 phenomena phenomenon later on, but we're going to speak speaking 32 00:01:59,359 --> 00:02:03,400 to Ellen Gwilly I think that's how to pronounce it, 33 00:02:03,439 --> 00:02:07,799 or Gilly. She's a leading expert on the paranormal and supernatural. 34 00:02:08,159 --> 00:02:13,240 She conducts original field investigations of haunted and mysterious sights. 35 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:17,639 And she's written more than forty five books, including nine 36 00:02:17,719 --> 00:02:22,400 psyclopedias and hundreds of articles in imprint on a wide 37 00:02:22,479 --> 00:02:26,479 range of paranormal, spiritual and mystical topics. And she possesses 38 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,080 an exceptional knowledge of the field. And she's written a 39 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,960 book about the Gin, and she feels as though that 40 00:02:34,199 --> 00:02:41,479 the Gin is connected to everything and anything paranormal. To 41 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,159 be honest with then we're going to get her take 42 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:49,560 on it and find out just what she believes is 43 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:53,199 is the gin? Is that guest for tonight from America? 44 00:02:55,439 --> 00:02:58,120 Miss Rosemary Gwilly? I hope that's how you pronounce it. 45 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 3: Hello, Hi, there's is Suzanne. 46 00:03:01,719 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 4: Hi Rosemary? How are you? 47 00:03:04,599 --> 00:03:06,199 Speaker 3: Oh? I'm doing very well? Thank you? 48 00:03:06,319 --> 00:03:09,159 Speaker 4: Oh good? Can you please tell the people have a 49 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,000 chat in your name? I hope I haven't got it wrong. 50 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,039 Can you pronounce it for us please? 51 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 3: It's Guiley Cosmarin Ellen Guiley. 52 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:22,599 Speaker 4: Right, okay, welcome to the show. Firstival, can tell about yourself, Rosemary. 53 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 3: Yes, I'm a paranormal researcher, an investigator and author. I've 54 00:03:29,039 --> 00:03:32,479 been working full time in the field for thirty years now, 55 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,840 and I started out with an interest in ghost hunting. 56 00:03:35,879 --> 00:03:38,439 In fact, I'm a lifetime member of the Ghost Club 57 00:03:38,479 --> 00:03:42,280 of London. I have a lot of friends in that community, 58 00:03:43,319 --> 00:03:48,479 and my paranormal interests just spread very far and wide, 59 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,840 to the point where I've done over fifty books now 60 00:03:53,319 --> 00:03:58,159 on everything A to Z literally angels to zombies and 61 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:06,520 everything in between. I keep track of UFOs, mysterious creatures, angels, fairies, 62 00:04:07,599 --> 00:04:16,920 mystical experiences, demons, all kinds of things paranormal they'll relate together, 63 00:04:17,879 --> 00:04:23,319 and I teach classes, give lectures, and I'm always investigating 64 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,480 the book The Gin Connection, and I believe we're going 65 00:04:27,519 --> 00:04:32,000 to be talking more about the Gin this evening. That 66 00:04:32,439 --> 00:04:36,240 was an outgrowth of a lot of my research into 67 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:41,519 haunting cases that seemed to very difficult to deal with, 68 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:46,959 what I call persistent negative hauntings that never seemed to 69 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,560 be able to resolve no matter what solutions were applied. 70 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,839 And I had been interested in the Gin for quite 71 00:04:54,879 --> 00:04:58,040 a long time. I had read about them for years. 72 00:04:58,079 --> 00:05:05,079 Of course, when I realized that they are participating in 73 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:09,759 all of our paranormal experiences, including our hauntings, a lot 74 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:13,720 of things started to make sense. So that that's really 75 00:05:13,759 --> 00:05:19,920 where I'm at today, is looking for more evidence of 76 00:05:19,959 --> 00:05:23,120 their involvement with us and what they're doing and why. 77 00:05:24,439 --> 00:05:27,399 Speaker 4: Right Well, just to give people an idea of who 78 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:31,680 you are and what you've been your passed positions held. 79 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:35,720 You were columnists for Power magazine. 80 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:42,399 Speaker 3: I'm a former columnist. Yes, for some time, I did 81 00:05:42,439 --> 00:05:47,319 a column for the official magazine of The Ghost Hunters Show, 82 00:05:47,879 --> 00:05:53,120 and I'm also a consulting editor of Fate Magazine. I've 83 00:05:53,199 --> 00:05:58,120 had positions on the board in the International Association for 84 00:05:58,199 --> 00:06:02,240 the Study of Dreams and for an organization that's now 85 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,639 called it's had different names in the past. It's now 86 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:11,600 called the Academy of Consciousness Studies, and that looks into 87 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:18,120 a lot of metaphysical areas. So I've been active on 88 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:23,160 many fronts. I study near death experiences and and the dreams. 89 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,439 As I mentioned, dreams are a very important gateway into 90 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:31,040 the unknown. I consult with a lot of paranormal groups. 91 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:35,199 I don't have a group. I like to be independent, 92 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,279 but I consult with people literally all over the world 93 00:06:39,319 --> 00:06:42,959 on their cases and experiences. 94 00:06:43,519 --> 00:06:48,160 Speaker 4: So now we've we've had a bit about the GM 95 00:06:49,319 --> 00:06:54,560 that UH say it can because it is a lot 96 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,480 more about this than I have to be honest with the. 97 00:07:02,879 --> 00:07:07,480 Speaker 5: Client teach us about their side of things. And he 98 00:07:07,959 --> 00:07:12,879 was telling us that the Gin are made of that 99 00:07:13,079 --> 00:07:19,360 pure fire. And originally there was twelve of the Gin 100 00:07:19,519 --> 00:07:25,120 that actually stayed and studied under Muhammed, and the rest 101 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,279 obviously went there went their own way mhm. But he 102 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,040 was telling us that there's no such thing as ghosts. 103 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:38,560 It's the Gin that's making us think who we're seeing 104 00:07:38,639 --> 00:07:39,839 is relatives and things. 105 00:07:42,639 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 4: It's the theory that you've got. 106 00:07:45,439 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 3: There are variations of that same theory. Yes, the theories 107 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:52,399 are essentially the same, and sometimes the details are a 108 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:57,040 bit different. But the Quran explains the Gin as being 109 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:02,560 made of smokeless fire, and that they existed with the angels. 110 00:08:03,439 --> 00:08:06,240 They weren't the equivalent of angels, but they had access 111 00:08:06,279 --> 00:08:11,759 to heaven and they trafficked with the angels. And when 112 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,720 the story that's told in the Quran is that when 113 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,439 God decided to make human beings, he instructed the angels 114 00:08:19,519 --> 00:08:23,959 to bow down before Adam. But Iblis, who was the 115 00:08:24,079 --> 00:08:26,480 leader of the Gin and who was in heaven with 116 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:31,319 the angels, refused because he felt that human beings were 117 00:08:31,399 --> 00:08:35,039 inferior to the Gin. And so the Gin then were 118 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:40,960 cast out, and they were granted until Judgment Day to 119 00:08:41,039 --> 00:08:47,559 make their case. And so the evil ones have followed 120 00:08:47,639 --> 00:08:52,840 Ibliss and are dedicated to tormenting and harassing human beings. 121 00:08:53,639 --> 00:08:57,039 There are good Gin just like human beings. The Gin 122 00:08:57,639 --> 00:09:03,559 have a variety of dispositions, temperaments, and intentions, and some 123 00:09:03,759 --> 00:09:07,720 of them convert to the faiths, some of them follow 124 00:09:07,799 --> 00:09:13,000 other faiths, some of them have no faith. The Kuran 125 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:16,519 has preached to them as well as to human beings. 126 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:26,039 I do believe that they are players, significant players in 127 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:30,759 all of our entity contact experiences, from ghosts to fairies, 128 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:37,840 to unknown entities, to demons to extraterrestrials. They are masterful 129 00:09:37,919 --> 00:09:41,440 shape shifters. In fact, nobody really knows what the true 130 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:45,480 form of the Gin is. How do you embody? Smokeless fire? 131 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:50,759 And in the pre Quranic legends about the Gin before 132 00:09:51,279 --> 00:09:54,200 Islam came into being, they were said to be made 133 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:58,200 out of the wind, again, something very formless. But they've 134 00:09:58,279 --> 00:10:04,639 always been known for their shape shifting ability and for 135 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:09,360 their hostility toward human beings. It seems that the ones 136 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:14,480 who are engaging with us and interacting with us are 137 00:10:14,919 --> 00:10:19,279 the hostile ones, and they have found many ways to 138 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:24,440 create problems for us. So I have indeed revised my 139 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:31,679 own feelings about ghosts over the years that most of 140 00:10:31,759 --> 00:10:37,399 what we call hauntings if the phenomena aren't interactive. That is, 141 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,320 you know, the footsteps that are always in the same corridor, 142 00:10:40,639 --> 00:10:44,120 the cold spot in the room, the sounds that are 143 00:10:44,159 --> 00:10:47,600 always in the same part of the house. These are 144 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:52,679 probably due to residues that are left behind. But when 145 00:10:52,759 --> 00:10:57,679 we have something more interactive, a spirit who seems to 146 00:10:57,879 --> 00:11:03,559 watch us and actively look for ways to get our attention. 147 00:11:04,879 --> 00:11:09,639 That's probably something else, and the gin can take on 148 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:15,039 the guise of human ghosts make us think that we're 149 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,159 dealing with something else, when in fact we're really dealing 150 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:18,600 with them. 151 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 4: So what made you saw all this? 152 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 3: Up? 153 00:11:22,799 --> 00:11:23,159 Speaker 2: My ass? 154 00:11:23,279 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 4: Are you? 155 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:29,279 Speaker 3: I'm not. I was raised a Methodist. In the course 156 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:33,600 of my work, I have always studied cross cultural and 157 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:40,080 cross religious inquiries because all all of these paths address 158 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:44,279 the same things from different perspectives, and we find the 159 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:52,080 same stories, the same legends, and similar perspectives with with 160 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,080 of course, the the added perspective of different you know, 161 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:03,159 each unique religion and even spiritual tradition. I've always been 162 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,960 interested in the paranormal since I was a little kid, 163 00:12:06,519 --> 00:12:12,639 and members of my family, including myself, had experiences. I 164 00:12:12,799 --> 00:12:16,080 believe that all people do, and especially children do. It's 165 00:12:16,159 --> 00:12:20,840 not unusual for children to have invisible playmates, to occasionally 166 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:25,679 see dead family members, to have other kinds of experiences. 167 00:12:26,399 --> 00:12:29,600 For many adults, these experience are many people. As we 168 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:34,440 become adults, these experiences fade into the background, and for me, 169 00:12:35,559 --> 00:12:38,879 they remained in the foreground. And I was intensely curious 170 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:44,600 about them. So I also have a journalistic background, and 171 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:51,960 I'm naturally curious about everything, so I've always looked at 172 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:57,480 a big picture. It's been evident to me from the 173 00:12:57,519 --> 00:12:59,840 beginning of my research that all of these things are 174 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:05,519 interconnected in strange ways, and we need to pull back 175 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,120 and see a big picture for going to have any 176 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,679 hope of understanding it at all. So I've never I've 177 00:13:12,759 --> 00:13:16,000 never gone down the path of just choosing to specialize 178 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,960 in any one area. I became acquainted with the Gin 179 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:26,120 actually through magic, and I was researching magic and witchcraft 180 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:30,559 and sorcery for a book in the nineteen eighties and 181 00:13:31,399 --> 00:13:35,000 started reading about the Gin. There really wasn't much published 182 00:13:35,039 --> 00:13:38,840 about them for an English speaking market back then, and 183 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,320 I didn't even realize until that time that these were 184 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,559 the beings responsible for our concepts of the Genie in 185 00:13:46,639 --> 00:13:51,879 the Bottle. That genie is a derivative of, actually a 186 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:57,399 corruption of the name Gin, which has spelled both DJN 187 00:13:57,519 --> 00:14:00,879 and JN, and it means the hidden ones. And of 188 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:04,120 course we're all familiar in the West with the folk 189 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:08,600 tales of the genie and the bottle, and curiously, these 190 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:14,039 genies are often portrayed in our culture, through our fiction 191 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:18,320 and our film and television as kind of silly beings, 192 00:14:18,399 --> 00:14:21,159 you know, something that you couldn't possibly think were real. 193 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,000 They come out of a bottle and supposedly grant wishes 194 00:14:26,200 --> 00:14:30,519 and usually rek havoc in some way. But they are 195 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,960 very real. The entity behind those legends is very real 196 00:14:35,679 --> 00:14:41,759 and capable of interacting with us in supernatural ways, oftentimes 197 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:45,399 well below our radar. We don't really know what we're 198 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,039 dealing with if we think it's anything supernatural at all. 199 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,360 We look for explanations that are more familiar to us, 200 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:58,519 the ghosts, the fairy, the demonig ourselves. 201 00:14:58,639 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 4: We go to ledged haunted places, and obviously that they're 202 00:15:04,039 --> 00:15:08,840 supposed to be haunted by the people that frequented there 203 00:15:09,039 --> 00:15:11,440 or lived there, or anything like that. So what you're 204 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,879 saying is that these are these gin that are actually 205 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:18,559 fooling us. We're not getting, say, for instance, I don't 206 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:23,519 know Radcliffe from Oldsol Hall, We're getting somebody that's falling us. 207 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 3: It might very well be the case, and sometimes it's 208 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:32,240 difficult to know exactly what you're dealing with until you've 209 00:15:32,279 --> 00:15:33,440 had a chance to observe it. 210 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 2: For a while. 211 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,639 Speaker 3: I've been specializing in these negative cases now for some time, 212 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:43,159 but I've done quite a bit of paranormal investigations of 213 00:15:43,279 --> 00:15:47,480 all kinds, and I think that we're dealing with combinations 214 00:15:47,559 --> 00:15:51,240 of things. There's residues left by the dead. There are 215 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:57,759 earth bound souls, for example, that still linger, and there 216 00:15:57,799 --> 00:16:01,759 are spirits and spirits who want to fool us by 217 00:16:02,919 --> 00:16:06,399 by acting like ghosts. And we also have fought forms 218 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:11,399 that we're dealing with which can acquire personalities and animation, 219 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:17,320 and of course investigators energize those things as well. You know, 220 00:16:17,399 --> 00:16:21,559 when we go in and investigate, we're putting energy into 221 00:16:21,639 --> 00:16:28,039 an environment that is capable of responding back. 222 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 4: Now, in your book, obviously the title of your book 223 00:16:33,399 --> 00:16:36,759 is the Gin Connection, The Hidden makes between the Gin, 224 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:44,240 shadow People, Eties, Nephelin, our Concert, Italians and other entities. Now, 225 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:50,120 when it comes to ets and extra how does that 226 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:54,480 go about when you hear about alien abductions and stuff 227 00:16:54,559 --> 00:16:54,720 like that. 228 00:16:56,159 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 3: I discovered a very disturbing link between the Gin and 229 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:05,000 ET abductions a few years ago. I started researching a 230 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:10,200 phenomenon called shadow people and you probably run into them too. 231 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,720 These are dark forms that have the shape of a human, 232 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:18,279 but they're solid black and they often look like tall 233 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:23,000 men wearing coats and hats. They're usually bedroom visitors, but 234 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:26,559 they also lurk around in haunted places too, and they 235 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,599 have the capability of absolutely terrifying people. They seem to 236 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:36,119 throw off this very malevolent energy. Well, in two thousand 237 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:41,000 and four, I had received quite a few reports of 238 00:17:41,079 --> 00:17:43,960 these entities and people wanting to know what they were, 239 00:17:44,079 --> 00:17:50,319 so I decided to put together a formal research an 240 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:54,079 investigation project to interview a lot of people and collect 241 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:56,960 a lot of data. People were making the automatic assumption 242 00:17:58,279 --> 00:18:01,279 that these things were likely to be demons, and yet 243 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:06,519 their behavior pattern, their modus operandi didn't really strike me 244 00:18:06,599 --> 00:18:14,000 as demonic, and so shadow people led me to the 245 00:18:14,279 --> 00:18:20,599 abducting ets and I concluded that shadow people were a 246 00:18:20,839 --> 00:18:24,200 form of a form taken by the GIN and that 247 00:18:24,319 --> 00:18:29,720 that suits there the kinds of personalities we're dealing with. 248 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:36,359 It suits their modus operandi and enables them to remain hidden. 249 00:18:37,039 --> 00:18:39,359 They're just totally black. You don't know what they are, 250 00:18:39,759 --> 00:18:45,000 and they don't communicate very often. As well, aside from 251 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:49,960 just seeming to watch people, they do attack people. They 252 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:53,519 will take take off the life force. People feel that 253 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:57,519 they're having their life force, you know, literally sucked off them. 254 00:18:59,319 --> 00:19:03,000 Sometimes it would be rarely there would be sexual encounters, 255 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:12,680 but oftentimes very aggressive physical assaults. I discovered that, and 256 00:19:12,759 --> 00:19:18,960 this was through voluntary description. People would send me their descriptions, 257 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:24,359 and I started noticing that a lot of these experiencers 258 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:30,519 were also et abductees, more than I might expect from 259 00:19:32,319 --> 00:19:36,160 just you know, some people have a variety of experiences, 260 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,440 they're just kind of psychically open. But this struck me 261 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,960 as a very odd connection, and it kept repeating. So 262 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:48,920 I broadened out my research project and looked more deeply 263 00:19:49,039 --> 00:19:52,799 into that, both by interviewing people and by researching the 264 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:57,599 abduction literature, and I discovered that there's a very obvious 265 00:19:57,799 --> 00:20:03,440 link between shadow people and et inductions. That's that many, 266 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:08,880 but not all, abductees are visited first by shadow people 267 00:20:09,079 --> 00:20:14,799 before they have abductions. It's not in the same episode, 268 00:20:15,599 --> 00:20:19,440 but it seemed like the shadow people are for warners 269 00:20:19,559 --> 00:20:24,119 or precursors to the abduction experience. So, of course that 270 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:31,720 length then made me wonder are the gin actively involved 271 00:20:31,759 --> 00:20:36,519 in other aspects of the abduction phenomenon as well? Well? 272 00:20:37,079 --> 00:20:42,079 Whenever you're dealing with these entities and subjective experiences. You 273 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:47,640 have only the reports of eyewitnesses and experiencers to go on. 274 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:53,839 You know, this is a very murky area. And I 275 00:20:55,240 --> 00:21:00,799 then studied hundreds and hundreds of accounts looking for patterns 276 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:05,079 and could I find the same descriptions or some telltale 277 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:11,680 evidence of what something that would give the GIN away. 278 00:21:12,799 --> 00:21:16,359 And in the Gin connection, I build that case where 279 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,880 I found quite a bit of evidence for the presence 280 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,880 of the Gin in the abduction literature, going back to 281 00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:28,480 cases from the nineteen fifties. But the thing is that 282 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:35,799 Westerners and including Western euthologists, we're not thinking about the GIN. 283 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,559 We don't even think to factor them into the equation 284 00:21:38,759 --> 00:21:40,880 because most of us don't even know who they are. 285 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,359 So how are you going to wonder whether or not 286 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,839 they're involved if you don't realize who they are and 287 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:52,079 how they can stay hidden. And there is quite a 288 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,160 bit of evidence for the presence of the GIN in 289 00:21:55,279 --> 00:22:02,839 the abduction phenomenon, whether or not they account for all abductions, 290 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:07,480 or they're working in concert with other beings doing these 291 00:22:07,759 --> 00:22:12,519 or even working against them with their own agendas in mind, 292 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,759 nobody really knows yet we don't even know what the 293 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:22,480 full ramifications are of the abduction phenomenon, except for what 294 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:26,799 experiences tell us about being used to create hybrids. 295 00:22:29,599 --> 00:22:33,319 Speaker 4: Right, we've got a question for you in the chat room, 296 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,759 ghost Ride. I would like to know what your views 297 00:22:37,759 --> 00:22:41,720 are on premonitions, just to expand that. Do you feel 298 00:22:41,759 --> 00:22:44,519 as though people like mediums and psychics when they get 299 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,400 messages they're being fooled as well? 300 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 3: It's a hazard, and that hazard has been acknowledged, you know, 301 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:59,079 for a very long long time, and people develop different 302 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,559 ways of validating their messages, you know, their bona fides 303 00:23:03,599 --> 00:23:09,480 and whatnot. I really do strongly believe that we get 304 00:23:09,599 --> 00:23:15,519 genuine communications. Otherwise we would have to discard everything, and 305 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:20,799 that literally would paralyze us from pursuing any meaningful research 306 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,319 and inquiry into the spirit world. That would be a 307 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:32,839 serious mistake. But we do have masqueraders and entities who 308 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:37,799 deceive us. Sooner or later those deceptions come out, and 309 00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:43,960 I think that people who deal regularly in spirit communications 310 00:23:45,279 --> 00:23:52,519 learn how to discern the genuine from the fraudulent. They 311 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,480 often give themselves a way through the kinds of things 312 00:23:56,599 --> 00:24:04,119 they say through communication that gradually deteriorates over time or 313 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:13,160 becomes manipulative. But you know they Unfortunately, we have no 314 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:21,079 universal guidelines and no universal ground rules in this area questions. 315 00:24:33,519 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 5: Black eyed people, I do the. 316 00:24:41,039 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 3: Black eyed children. We've been hearing more and more of 317 00:24:44,279 --> 00:24:51,240 these entities since about the nineteen eighties, excuse me, and 318 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:57,559 I have gotten reports of them myself, and I've I've 319 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,960 also spoken at length that David Weatherly, who lives in 320 00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:06,000 the Southwest, he's out in Arizona, and he's written really 321 00:25:06,079 --> 00:25:08,880 the only definitive book to date on the subject, called 322 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:15,039 Black Eyed Children, and we've compared notes. I believe that 323 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,519 the black eyed children are yet another form taken by 324 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:25,680 jin and they seem to have multiple purposes in interacting 325 00:25:25,759 --> 00:25:30,119 with us. Some of them seem to want to just 326 00:25:30,279 --> 00:25:33,839 mess around with us, play tricks on us, aggravate us, 327 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,920 scare us. It's almost for their own entertainment and amusement. 328 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,559 Others seem to be more focused in their hostility. They 329 00:25:43,599 --> 00:25:48,759 are interested in harming human beings and in getting something 330 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,279 off of us, like the life force. Others want to 331 00:25:52,440 --> 00:26:01,160 have romantic relationships with us, and some are more predatory. 332 00:26:02,279 --> 00:26:06,160 So you know, here, again, just like human beings, there 333 00:26:06,319 --> 00:26:11,640 are different agendas and purposes going on. The Black Eyed 334 00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:20,039 Children seems to be a way for the GIN to harass, terrorize, 335 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,839 and trick people. And many of the people who've had 336 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:32,119 contact with these forms also suffer health wise, They feel 337 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,799 a wasting way of health, They suffer some kind of 338 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,480 injuries where contact has been made. Sometimes their lives start 339 00:26:39,599 --> 00:26:45,079 falling apart. These are patterns that also happen in GIN 340 00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:50,119 cases and also in shadow people cases, so it seems 341 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:56,759 to be just another way to distract us. We tend 342 00:26:56,839 --> 00:26:59,359 to think that all of these different forms that we 343 00:26:59,519 --> 00:27:03,599 see are different entities. Many of them may be just 344 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,680 different shape shifted versions of a single type of entity. 345 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,799 The GIN would be capable of doing that. 346 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:21,559 Speaker 5: Okay, okay, your book on the Gin, did you ever 347 00:27:21,599 --> 00:27:25,640 get the failing that you're being dictated as. 348 00:27:25,559 --> 00:27:26,279 Speaker 4: To what to put in it? 349 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 3: I never felt dictated, but I definitely had plenty of 350 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,119 company while I was working on the book, and I had, 351 00:27:37,599 --> 00:27:41,359 you know, lots of problems. I had visitations, I bedroom, 352 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:45,799 you know, the shadow people visitations. I had a ports, 353 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,559 things that would go missing, things that would break down. 354 00:27:51,319 --> 00:27:55,279 In general. Over the course of my career doing my work, 355 00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:01,720 I have felt very protected and guided by spiritual forces. 356 00:28:02,599 --> 00:28:05,240 Whenever you do this kind of work, you're going to 357 00:28:05,319 --> 00:28:10,799 attract the attention of negative entities as well as well 358 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,759 as the benevolent ones. That's just a given and at 359 00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:19,319 varying points. Sometimes depending on the nature of the work 360 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,440 you're doing, you have to engage with them. They will 361 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:27,960 interfere in that. So I have had interferences. I do 362 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:35,640 feel that I've been guided to look into certain areas, 363 00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:43,920 to meet people, to come across sources and other things 364 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:49,599 that illuminate the research. Especially in this area. It's very 365 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,720 important for us to know who all the players are 366 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,559 out there in the spirit world that we're dealing with, 367 00:28:56,119 --> 00:29:00,799 from the good to the bad. Men of these beings 368 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:05,599 have ways of manipulating us without us really knowing it, 369 00:29:05,799 --> 00:29:07,160 and we need to know that too. 370 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:13,759 Speaker 5: Yeah, the big question is do you have any any 371 00:29:13,839 --> 00:29:16,279 solid evidence that you're doing this? 372 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,079 Speaker 3: As always in the paranormal and dealing with the spirit world, 373 00:29:24,359 --> 00:29:28,680 the hard evidence is very hard to come by, and 374 00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:32,799 this is why scientists very easily dismiss all of this, 375 00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:36,759 because you know, you can't get somebody like the Gin 376 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,200 to materialize in front of you and sit down and 377 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,319 give you an interview and be videotaped and uh, you know, 378 00:29:44,519 --> 00:29:50,279 thumb printed, so to speak. Yeah, we all wish. So 379 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,240 we have to deal with is a body of evidence 380 00:29:55,400 --> 00:30:01,599 in support of something. It's very soft evidence, and people 381 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,519 in parapsychology have to deal with this all the time, 382 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,880 evidence in support of something, and even the hard evidence 383 00:30:10,079 --> 00:30:14,759 that's accumulated, such as in cases of mediumship and apports 384 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:20,839 and things like that, it's still argued and refuted by 385 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,480 the scientific establishment. So what I do in my work 386 00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:29,240 because for me, the paranormal exists, It's existed since childhood, 387 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,680 and so I'm really not trying to prove the paranormal. 388 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:38,160 But what I do look at is the how and 389 00:30:38,279 --> 00:30:43,799 the why behind our experiences. What are the experiences that 390 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,759 human beings share as common ground, and what is the 391 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:53,680 documentation for those experiences throughout history, through our mythology, our folklore, 392 00:30:55,160 --> 00:31:00,440 case recordings, the written and oral evidence. And I look 393 00:31:00,519 --> 00:31:06,440 for patterns in those experiences. So when you can accumulate 394 00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:13,519 hundreds and hundreds of descriptions and find patterns that reach 395 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:18,319 over time, that reach around the globe among people who've 396 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,119 never spoken to each other or met or may not 397 00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:26,119 even know about such things in general, and the same 398 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:32,279 things show up. It's very compelling to me that something 399 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,400 that this is evidence of some concrete interaction with the 400 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:44,839 spirit world. So that really is the basis for all 401 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,720 of these fields, you know, for the paranormal, for the 402 00:31:47,759 --> 00:31:53,640 ghost hunting community, for the eufhology community, for mysterious creatures, 403 00:31:54,039 --> 00:31:59,039 the cryptids researchers, even people who are on the more 404 00:31:59,119 --> 00:32:03,400 metaphysical side of things within your death experiences, mediumship and channeling. 405 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:10,440 All of these things really from a scientific perspective don't 406 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:16,119 have a leg to stand on yet. Clearly human beings 407 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:20,359 have been involved in these experiences for as long as 408 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:25,599 we've had recorded history. So what I look for is 409 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:30,119 the evidence that links all of this together, and at 410 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,000 the very least it helps people understand their experiences better, 411 00:32:34,079 --> 00:32:37,920 helps them deal with the problematic side of things. And 412 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:47,160 hopefully we're all contributing knowledge and insight into these experiences 413 00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:50,960 that can help explain them and maybe someday we will 414 00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:56,319 have that bridge between the subjective and scientific that we 415 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,839 can make the two sides come together better. 416 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:05,039 Speaker 4: Now, apart from the obviously gene and the shadow people, 417 00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:08,720 you also mentioned nephilims and archons for our guests, Could 418 00:33:08,759 --> 00:33:10,559 you explain what they actually are? 419 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:20,319 Speaker 3: Yes, The Nephylene were the half human half entity hybrids 420 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:25,319 referenced very briefly in the Bible, but written about extensively 421 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,640 and ex canonical works and Genesis. There is a very 422 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:34,000 short reference to the sons of God or the watchers, 423 00:33:35,359 --> 00:33:39,680 who were assigned to watch over humanity, and decided that 424 00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:42,559 human women looked pretty good, and they left their posts 425 00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:47,400 and cohabited with women and created these monstrous offspring called 426 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:52,599 the Nebeline. The Nephylene were giants. They would have been, 427 00:33:53,359 --> 00:33:58,240 by our standards, over thirty seven feet high, and they 428 00:33:58,279 --> 00:34:01,839 were very corrupt. They were can ballistic, they were flesh eaters, 429 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:08,599 they were blood drinkers, and they spread lawlessness around the land. Now, 430 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,320 the Bible doesn't tell us all of that, but the 431 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,960 Book of Enoch does, and the Book of Enoch goes 432 00:34:17,039 --> 00:34:22,519 into quite a bit of detail about these watchers, who 433 00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:28,119 are sometimes described as angels. About two hundred of them 434 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:33,760 leave their watch post and start all of this up. Well, 435 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:40,480 the angels become very upset with this corruption, and they 436 00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:43,079 go to God and tell him what's going on, and 437 00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:48,679 he gets upset about this too and decides to wipe 438 00:34:48,679 --> 00:34:50,880 everything out in the flood, and so that is the 439 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,159 reason why we had the flood. But whether or not 440 00:34:55,360 --> 00:35:00,599 all of these nepheline were destroyed is a matter of certainty, 441 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:07,239 because there were subsequent references to giants in other books 442 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,559 of the Bible. Well, one of the things that I 443 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,599 argue in the Gin connection is if the Gin have 444 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,559 been the hidden ones interacting with us, and they're interacting 445 00:35:19,639 --> 00:35:22,960 with us now, they've probably been doing it all along 446 00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:27,559 in hidden ways, and we need to reevaluate all of 447 00:35:27,639 --> 00:35:31,599 our stories about our involvement with ancient aliens and ancient 448 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:37,800 beings and gods to look for the trademarks of the Gin, 449 00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:43,599 the actions of the watchers or the sons of God. 450 00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:46,559 And by the way, the Gin were called God's other 451 00:35:46,679 --> 00:35:52,000 people as well, just like the fairies, they're called God's 452 00:35:52,079 --> 00:36:00,880 other people. The actions of leaving their posts and cohabiting 453 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,039 with human women would be very characteristic of the Gin, 454 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,480 and the Gin have long been known as great deal makers, 455 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,960 so in exchange for teaching the forbidden arts to humanity, 456 00:36:13,079 --> 00:36:20,280 they get sex and these offspring, which have Gin characteristics 457 00:36:21,519 --> 00:36:27,960 than result. Now giants over thirty seven feet tall would 458 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:31,519 seem to be an impossibility given the gravity of the planet. 459 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,360 But if they were not completely physical, not completely material 460 00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:41,039 as Gin would be, they could be any size they 461 00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:46,039 wanted to be. So I think it's very plausible that 462 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:53,239 the nepheline were half Gin and half human. The Arkans 463 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,280 who come out of gnosticism were false creator gods who 464 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:02,079 also wanted to manipulate human beings for their own purposes. 465 00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,119 This is a characteristic that we find through Gin more 466 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,679 over and over again, the manipulation of human beings for 467 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,840 their own purposes, and whether that purpose is amusement or 468 00:37:14,039 --> 00:37:18,159 the life force or blood sacrifice, it's always to the 469 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,400 gain of the Gin and a loss of humanity. So 470 00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:27,760 these scenarios crop up over and over again in almost 471 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:34,079 all of our dealings with powerful beings. Might they be Gin? 472 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 4: Okay? So what do we need to know about this? 473 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:42,920 How should we respond? 474 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:51,119 Speaker 3: Right now? We have more questions than answers. And one 475 00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:57,199 of my purposes in writing the Gin Connection, and that 476 00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,840 was preceded by the Vengeful Gin a couple of years 477 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,519 ago go, which was just a basic introduction to Gin, 478 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:09,679 is to educate people that these are real entities who 479 00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,840 are involved with us in many ways, and we need 480 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,000 to know more about them and not just dismiss them 481 00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:20,760 as superstition. In many parts of the world, especially the 482 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:26,320 Middle Eastern world, the Gin are assumed to be players 483 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,679 in the landscape. They're involved in all kinds of human affairs, 484 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:36,960 for better or for worse, and we can't dismiss this 485 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:42,440 as superstition. We have to realize that this is happening 486 00:38:42,519 --> 00:38:46,159 right in our own backyard. One of the things that 487 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,800 I've been researching at length is how do we confront 488 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:56,119 this and combat it. People have varying degrees of trouble, 489 00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:01,119 from mild annoyances to serious dis options of life and 490 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:06,119 even life threatening situations. I haven't yet found a single 491 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,840 remedy that works in all cases all the time. There 492 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,320 are lots of remedies that work in certain cases some 493 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,400 of the time, but not all of the time, and 494 00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:18,960 that's very frustrating for a lot of people to deal with. 495 00:39:19,559 --> 00:39:22,480 I include a lot of those in the Gin connection. 496 00:39:23,079 --> 00:39:29,039 There's a chapter I have called Battle or Interdimensional Martial Arts, 497 00:39:29,199 --> 00:39:32,599 where I discuss some of the things that have worked 498 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:37,719 for other people. They seem to be able to have 499 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:42,320 the epper hand on us, and even if we gain 500 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,400 the upper hand, at some point they can come back 501 00:39:45,519 --> 00:39:51,599 and sees the advantage again, whether or not that's permanently 502 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,920 the case. I would like to not think so that 503 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,519 we are sovereign in our own reality in the physical world. 504 00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:04,800 At at the very least, we might have to learn 505 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:09,360 how to coexist with with some of these entities who 506 00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:13,119 seem to have a very firm foothold in our landscape. 507 00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:21,679 But there's no good solutions right now, no good permanent solutions. 508 00:40:24,679 --> 00:40:27,519 Speaker 4: Okay, I've just been looking at your your I think 509 00:40:27,559 --> 00:40:31,639 it's your website on the universe, and you've covered quite 510 00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:34,239 a few topics there, haven't you with your with your 511 00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:39,840 publications ghost hauntings and spirit communication, talking to the Dead, 512 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:46,840 Readable the Witches, Book of the Dead, just not multi 513 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:53,159 dimensional portals. You know, how did you get into this writing, 514 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:58,320 to get into all this covering quite vast subjects. 515 00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:03,239 Speaker 3: It is, and it's ever expanding in new directions, And 516 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:09,039 it probably stems from my very early childhood interests and 517 00:41:09,199 --> 00:41:14,559 experiences and my curiosity about wanting to know about everything 518 00:41:14,679 --> 00:41:18,920 as much as possible. And also as I pursued my 519 00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:25,159 research and followed all of the research leads, you wind 520 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:29,119 up realizing how interconnected things are, and that if you 521 00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,639 look in this in one particular direction, then well you've 522 00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:37,199 got to consider something that's related to it. I believe 523 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:42,400 that the Gin, as well as other entities that we encounter, 524 00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:46,840 they come and go in our reality through poor multi 525 00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:51,599 dimensional portals. These are thin spots between our dimension and 526 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:56,360 parallel dimensions that all really have a connection to the Earth. 527 00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,840 Their land based they're tied to the Earth, and they're 528 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,440 these entities living in these other dimensions that because of 529 00:42:04,559 --> 00:42:11,880 the difference in vibrational qualities of these dimensions, we don't 530 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,480 see them or interact with them on an ongoing basis, 531 00:42:16,639 --> 00:42:21,880 but we have these kind of openings and bleed throughs. 532 00:42:22,639 --> 00:42:25,639 They seem to be able to come into our world 533 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:28,199 more than we go into theirs at will, and I'm 534 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:33,559 not sure why that is. I do have two websites, 535 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,679 and one is Visionaryliving dot com. That's my main website, 536 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,280 and a lot of the topics that I write on 537 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,920 are on that website. I have quite a library of articles, 538 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:51,079 and if anyone is interested in subscribing to my newsletter, 539 00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:54,480 I encourage that too, because I put my latest material 540 00:42:54,559 --> 00:42:57,079 in the newsletter and there's a it comes out once 541 00:42:57,159 --> 00:43:02,000 a month and it's delivered via email. It's complementary the 542 00:43:02,119 --> 00:43:05,320 other website that you mentioned, the GIN Universe, and that's 543 00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:09,880 dji n n universe dot com. I set up two 544 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:15,679 years ago as an educational website to publish and have 545 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:21,000 discussions of things about the Gin, and I have collected 546 00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:28,559 hundreds of testimonials and stories contributed from around the world 547 00:43:30,199 --> 00:43:35,920 from people who've had GIN encounters. It's quite eye opening 548 00:43:36,199 --> 00:43:39,840 and even hair raising some of these stories, and people 549 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:45,719 have weighed in with their their metaphysical views, their religious views. 550 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,079 Some of the experiences, a small minority of them are 551 00:43:51,519 --> 00:43:56,840 benign or benevolent, most of them are negative, and some 552 00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,519 of them are quite terrifying. So I think it's a 553 00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:03,039 good place to go. It's a real eye opener to 554 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,760 you know, just get the gist of what the gen 555 00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:10,159 are and what they're doing with people. 556 00:44:11,039 --> 00:44:12,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you've done a lot. I've got a lot 557 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,920 of documentaries and docudramas and TV shows as well, or 558 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,360 you've worked on them, including Supernatural. 559 00:44:21,199 --> 00:44:25,960 Speaker 3: Yes, I did. It was called the extras for season 560 00:44:26,119 --> 00:44:29,199 four of Supernatural, which is a fabulous show, you know, 561 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,400 and they get into all these topics as well, and 562 00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:39,639 the extras on the DVD set was a scenario built 563 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:47,480 like Dante's Inferno and Paradisio that his his journeys through 564 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:52,159 through heaven and Hell and Purgatory and Purgatorio, and they 565 00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:56,320 assembled some experts like me to talk about themes on 566 00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:03,639 the show and their basis in in mythology and supernatural reality. 567 00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:05,320 Quite well done. 568 00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:11,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely, You've definitely covered quite a lot. And when 569 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,599 did you start doing this writing and getting into it? 570 00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:16,880 There's definitely a lot there. 571 00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,480 Speaker 3: I started my writing career full time thirty years ago. 572 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:26,159 Speaker 4: Wow, you've got more than fifty books. More than fifty books, yeah, 573 00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:32,800 and fifteen languages. You know, you've been full full time 574 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:41,239 since eighty three. You've done encyclopedias. It's wow. It's a lot. 575 00:45:42,039 --> 00:45:44,039 Speaker 5: Writing something that comes. 576 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,199 Speaker 4: Did you get that I didn't? 577 00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:50,679 Speaker 3: I didn't. 578 00:45:51,199 --> 00:45:54,440 Speaker 4: It's writing something that comes easy for you. 579 00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,480 Speaker 3: Oh, it is indeed. In fact, I often joke that 580 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,920 I came out of the womb with a on my hand. 581 00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,599 And I've been writing ever since I can remember, and 582 00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:10,880 I really enjoy writing. I feel very blessed actually to 583 00:46:12,519 --> 00:46:17,760 work full time in subjects that really interest me, intrigue me, 584 00:46:18,639 --> 00:46:22,920 and enable me to pursue my art, which is writing, 585 00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:28,760 and so in spite of the harrowing circumstances I find 586 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:33,360 myself in sometimes it's been quite a right never a 587 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:34,679 dull day, that's for sure. 588 00:46:35,159 --> 00:46:37,320 Speaker 4: So is this your full time thing or is this 589 00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:39,880 something that you actually do apart from this? 590 00:46:41,039 --> 00:46:45,880 Speaker 3: It is my full time work. I have a balance 591 00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,519 of research and writing, and I'm on the road a lot. 592 00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:57,360 I travel to give lectures and presentations. I maintain media appearances, 593 00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,480 a lot of radio shows and mixed in with television 594 00:47:01,639 --> 00:47:06,199 and documentaries, so all of those things together, and then 595 00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:10,679 I'm constantly interviewing people, and i also consult with a 596 00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,639 lot of people. People, you know, they have problems. They 597 00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,840 sometimes they just want to talk to someone who understands 598 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:22,400 what they're going through so they feel that they're they're 599 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:27,079 not crazy. This is very a very important aspect of 600 00:47:27,159 --> 00:47:31,599 all of this, that are very real. Engagements with the 601 00:47:31,679 --> 00:47:35,599 spirit world can be quite destabilizing and upsetting to people, 602 00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:40,199 and if they have no way of talking about those 603 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:49,360 experiences and being taken seriously, then it actually adds to 604 00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:52,800 the whole burden, you know, it adds to the stress. 605 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:59,360 So I'm often consulting with people about their experiences and 606 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,159 you know, looking for solutions. I consult with a lot 607 00:48:05,199 --> 00:48:09,079 of investigation teams on their cases. I conduct a lot 608 00:48:09,159 --> 00:48:12,400 of investigations myself, and some of them are long term. 609 00:48:12,559 --> 00:48:18,440 They span years. I've had the good fortune of being 610 00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,280 able to follow case some cases for a long period 611 00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:26,719 of time. And as you know from investigating yourself, sometimes 612 00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:32,400 you only have one or two opportunities to do an investigation. 613 00:48:34,679 --> 00:48:38,679 Speaker 4: So if anyone wanted to buy your books from your website, 614 00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:44,000 obviously being in England, is there a Kindle version? 615 00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:49,840 Speaker 3: Yes, many of my books are available on Kindle, and 616 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:54,679 the Gin Connection is available by Kindle, and if people 617 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:58,719 order hardprint, I send them out autographed and I do 618 00:48:58,840 --> 00:48:59,960 ship all over the world. 619 00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:04,159 Speaker 4: Old right, Okay, So if anyone's interested in then just 620 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,960 go to Visionaryliving dot com. I've put the website on 621 00:49:09,159 --> 00:49:11,639 the chat rooms. We're go and have a look. There's 622 00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:15,360 quite a few books there to choose from. So what's 623 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:19,280 next for Rosemary? Have you got a book pending or 624 00:49:20,039 --> 00:49:21,599 thinking of starting at the moment. 625 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:23,159 Speaker 1: I do. 626 00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,960 Speaker 3: In fact, I'm usually working on several projects at once. 627 00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,079 This seems to be the nature of my research, probably 628 00:49:31,159 --> 00:49:35,400 because all things are interrelated and folded together. I'm working 629 00:49:35,559 --> 00:49:39,519 on a book, another book about the gin Uh, and 630 00:49:39,679 --> 00:49:45,000 this one will we'll focus more on how they they're 631 00:49:45,119 --> 00:49:50,239 engaged with people in where they seem to haunt places. 632 00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:56,280 I'm working on inter dimensional portals and how the planet 633 00:49:56,519 --> 00:50:01,039 is has many of these doorways and what those doorways 634 00:50:01,039 --> 00:50:07,239 are like. I have a book on that I'm working 635 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:14,320 on on afterlife communications, especially through dreams. I've been interested 636 00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:20,280 in psychic dreaming since i was very small, so those 637 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,599 and some other projects. Have a ghost and hauntings book 638 00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:27,719 that I'm doing, and a lot of things going on 639 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,960 right now. In fact, I could use a few doppelgangers. 640 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,119 Speaker 4: I'm just not curiousity. Do you feel sensitive yourself? 641 00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:41,559 Speaker 3: Yes? I never considered myself to be, you know, a 642 00:50:41,639 --> 00:50:45,800 wonder kind by any means, But like most children, I 643 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:51,440 had visionary and psychic experiences. I think that this is 644 00:50:51,639 --> 00:50:55,719 part of childhood in general, and in my family. On 645 00:50:55,800 --> 00:51:00,599 my mother's side, my grandmother had psychic sensitivity. My mother did. 646 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:05,920 She had a variety of encounters with good and bad 647 00:51:06,039 --> 00:51:11,000 kinds of beings. She had precognitive dreaming, and my sister 648 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:15,880 has psychic sensitivity as well. So I think those things 649 00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,559 added to my interest in these areas. When you're small, 650 00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,079 when you're a kid and you have these experiences, you 651 00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:27,320 think everybody does. And as I got old, I realized 652 00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,679 everybody doesn't. And not only that, the people who do 653 00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:36,800 their experiences are quite varied indifferent. So that has been 654 00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:41,039 a major factor in my research. As I got older 655 00:51:41,119 --> 00:51:45,880 than I wanted to learn more about that and also 656 00:51:46,159 --> 00:51:51,000 how to increase it. Instead of being a passive recipient 657 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:56,840 of premonitions and precognitions and impressions, I wanted to be 658 00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,159 able to have it available more on demand. So I 659 00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:03,960 did quite a bit of training with psychics and sensitives. 660 00:52:04,639 --> 00:52:09,599 I did energy healing, and energy healing really helped me 661 00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:14,960 open up very fast. And I had been fascinated by 662 00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:18,000 the tarot, so I studied the tarot, I did readings, 663 00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,599 and all of these things have improved my own psychic 664 00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:25,840 sensitivity quite a bit over the years. And it's an 665 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,559 asset for this kind of work most definitely. 666 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:33,199 Speaker 4: Right, Well, it's a very impressive resume you've got there, 667 00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:38,960 I must admit, Rosemary, Well, thank you, just say thank 668 00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:41,320 you for taking your time for talking to us. 669 00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:47,440 Speaker 3: Well, it's my pleasure Suzannne, and I helped you visit 670 00:52:47,559 --> 00:52:48,840 with you again on your show. 671 00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,000 Speaker 4: Yes, definitely, you know, and when your book comes next 672 00:52:52,039 --> 00:52:54,119 book comes out, come on and tell us all about it. 673 00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,960 Speaker 3: I certainly will. We'll stay in touch and anyone out 674 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,239 there in the audience. I get a lot of cases 675 00:53:02,519 --> 00:53:06,960 and inquiries from the UK, so I'm always interested in 676 00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:08,039 hearing from people. 677 00:53:08,519 --> 00:53:12,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, Well, I'll let everybody know. And as I say, 678 00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:17,719 if you want to join the KTPS on Facebook, then 679 00:53:18,119 --> 00:53:21,840 it's out there for you. I'll send you the link 680 00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,440 and you're more than welcome to advertise on there, and 681 00:53:24,639 --> 00:53:27,559 we'll also put it on the website once it's sorted out. 682 00:53:27,639 --> 00:53:32,559 It's gone a bit a well today unfortunately a DNS problem, 683 00:53:32,639 --> 00:53:36,719 but it's all technicality to me. But yes, definitely, we'll 684 00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:38,360 definitely advertise you as much as we can. 685 00:53:39,159 --> 00:53:40,519 Speaker 3: Well, thank you and I will join. 686 00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,320 Speaker 4: Okay, Well, thanks a lot, Rosemary, all the best of 687 00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:45,920 the future, All right, take care. 688 00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:46,880 Speaker 3: Okay. 689 00:53:49,039 --> 00:53:51,840 Speaker 4: Well that was Rosemary. And and in seven h seven's 690 00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:54,920 just come in, which is a bit hard because I 691 00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,000 did say I was going to put on our past 692 00:53:57,079 --> 00:54:02,440 nine yes, just for him, and he wasn't here. 693 00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,800 Speaker 5: I don't know, so it would have been very handy 694 00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:06,679 to ask the questions. 695 00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:07,719 Speaker 4: Yes, he would have done. 696 00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,840 Speaker 5: I mean, no disrespectful lady, but I mean she's making 697 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:16,719 these these links. Sorry, I don't see any. 698 00:54:18,639 --> 00:54:26,719 Speaker 4: Actual They don't seem she's saying that that there's the 699 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:37,400 Gin is ets, the Gin's responsible for ghosts, nephleium or 700 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:43,480 whatever it was, arcons, reptilians, you know, even shadow people 701 00:54:43,639 --> 00:54:45,639 and also alien reductions. 702 00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:48,440 Speaker 3: You know. 703 00:54:49,559 --> 00:54:51,519 Speaker 4: So as say it's. 704 00:54:53,679 --> 00:54:55,440 Speaker 5: It is, uh, it seems a bit of a leak. 705 00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:56,280 Speaker 3: It does. 706 00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,639 Speaker 4: It does. But she's done ahead of a lot of 707 00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:02,960 work and research, and as I say, she's been connected 708 00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,840 to it, writing about it for many, many years. We're 709 00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:07,760 gonna have to call it a day, I'm afraid, and 710 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:11,800 we'll see you again next week. Until next time, ladies 711 00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:14,840 and gentlemen, all we can say is keep the paranormal friendly. 712 00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,199 Good night and God bless thank you. 713 00:55:17,039 --> 00:55:21,760 Speaker 2: Hellia, Harry Price here, good evening. If there's nothing myself 714 00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,920 and everybody else enjoy here on the other side, more 715 00:55:25,079 --> 00:55:27,960 is the sit back and relax and listen to Parasearch 716 00:55:28,159 --> 00:55:32,000 Radio with its paranormal news, views and reviews from across 717 00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:35,880 the UK and beyond. 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