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Speaker 2: How you doing today?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely fantastic. How are you doing today, sir?

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Speaker 2: Excellent? Thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: Well, you've got a movie on your hands here that's

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going to create a serious amount of conversation because it's

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been a long time since I've seen a movie that

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actually relates with every generation. I mean, I've sat here

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and talked with more people about this movie and everybody's

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going just tell me more. Where can I find out more?

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What can we learn from this? And because it almost

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activates us to get involved in the in the community.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a great film. We were we

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had a screening year a lot in DC. Last night

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I'm in d C four at the Naval Museum and

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so many veterans in words were coming up to us,

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going this movie has changed my life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't you see a movie like this as being

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that one thing that really is because we were all

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searching for the needle in the haystack, and when a

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movie like this comes along, it's almost like there, it

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is right there, It's right there. Let's get the ball bouncing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is definitely one of those films. I was

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so happy when I when I saw the first screening

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of it, it was just like wow, just just blown away.

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You know, the movie guys have to smile on you.

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It's very difficult to make a good movie, and so

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I was very happy to be a part of this film.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad that you brought up the movie people

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that create the movies. And the reason why is because

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I'm so addicted to watching the behind the scenes documentaries

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because I just I love how many people is required

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to tell a story and then here comes the actors.

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we were here because we were invited to play out

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these roles. But it required this entire team to make

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this role a part of you.

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Speaker 3: I like that it takes an entire the entire team

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to make this really part of you. Yes, it is,

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it takes. It takes it definitely takes a very large village.

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still there. I don't know how many people on the crew.

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And of course Steven it took. It was a fourteen

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year journey of for he and Matt to interview people

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and talk about folks and try to get the movie made.

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So it definitely takes a number of people, the work

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that goes into it. And then then you know, picking

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the perfect cast. I mean, you know, then the movie

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gods have to smile on you that that there's chemist street,

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that you know, the actors are all, you know, giving

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their best, and gel you don't feel people are out

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of our miscast. So yeah, this is this is a

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this is a good one, This is this is this

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Speaker 1: Well, there's something very authentic about this movie. And you're

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gonna think I'm crazy for bringing this up, but the

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way that the movie sets were put together, because first

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of all, the thing that really started grabbing my heart

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it's in a yellow house and the rooms are very tiny.

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That to me is reality because when I go back

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home to Montana, my god, yellows in the house and

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the rooms are very tiny. What is it, dude? Do

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houses shrink as we get older.

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Speaker 3: Yes, they do. I give him my grandmother's house. I

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thought it was massive, you know, then I drive by it,

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you know, when I'm in Michigan and see my grandma's eyes,

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is like, wow, that's so small.

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Speaker 1: There's a quote inside this movie that I know is

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going to resonate in every one of us in the

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way that through any walk of life. The quote is,

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you can't pretend what it's like to be in combat.

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pretend they know what's going on and they do not?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's so true. You can't unless you walk

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in another man's shoes. Yep, you know, you have no idea.

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he's referred to you in combat, and you bring that

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combat back home.

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Speaker 2: That's or you bring the war back home.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes not everybody, but you know, in the case of

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this guy, yes, and the case of many veterans, yes,

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you got seventeen veterans committing suicide a day, and so

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you haven't been there. We kind of you know, it's

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only one half of one percent serve it now, and

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so many people have no idea. They don't even know.

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Speaker 2: Anybody who's in the service, right you, Now.

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Speaker 3: So and and and so many are misunderstood.

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Speaker 2: You come home and you're a different person.

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Speaker 1: Well, the one the one thing that I that I

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those that have dedicated their life to our nation and

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then they go, it was just a job. But in

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my heart, it was not a job. It was a conviction.

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It was dedication, loyalty, perseverance, It was a you know,

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just just a sense of leadership in their life that

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is protecting us.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, it's not. It's thank thank you for

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allowing us to continue our way of life. Yes, yeah,

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thank you for your country.

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Speaker 2: You know. It's every body is not interested in that.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's not everybody meant so many people are interested in

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serving themselves, right yeah, and not that that that that altruistic. Uh,

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you know, I care about my country and I want

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to do something to help.

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Speaker 4: Please do not move. There's more with Vondi Curtis Hall

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coming up next. The name of the movie Sheep Dog

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starring Vandi Curtis Hall. How do you prepare for a

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role like this, because I almost feel like it's the

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movie gods that have selected you to say we need

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you to show up and to create that conversation beyond

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that movie theater screen.

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Speaker 3: M Yeah, for me, Uh, it's really about many of

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my friends, people that I personally knew I came out

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of high school because this is my era.

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Speaker 2: I was. I was saying to someone else.

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Speaker 3: Half of my friends coming out of high school, I'm

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from Detroit enlisted and you know so and then the

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Speaker 2: Uh uh, the other half you know, went to college.

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Speaker 3: But half of the half that enlisted died, didn't come back.

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Speaker 2: My best friend didn't come back. Uh. And then the

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Speaker 3: Half that came back over carrying some sort of wounds.

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Speaker 2: You know, I have a friend who's got.

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Speaker 3: Cancer now from Agent Orange, and the government's giving him money,

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you know, to try and you know, compensate for that.

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that people told me. Uh, you know, the pain that

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they they felt coming home without a ticket Tate Parade,

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coming home and saying, well, they act like it was

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our fault.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're the bad guy at home. You know,

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the Vietnam.

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Speaker 3: Vets, of course, and there's a distinction between the Vietnam

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bets and of course, you know those who served in

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Iraq and Afghanistan and the more recent wars. But for

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those guys, you know, they were not happy about about

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how they were treated and when they came home.

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Speaker 2: See.

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Speaker 1: And that's one of the points I wanted to bring

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up about this movie Sheep Dog, and that is is

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that in my heart, and I said in these conversations

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and I talked about that this movie actually brings together,

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it ties together the generations of war Vietnam versus Korean

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because the men and women of the Korean War, they

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know that it's the forgotten war. But you know what,

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if you listen to their stories, oh my god, they

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still get inside your heart.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, uh yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely.

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Speaker 2: And some and then you know there's some that.

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Speaker 3: That don't talk about it, you know, like my father didn't.

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My name is after the person who is my father

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made me after the person who saved his life in

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the war, and so you know, but he didn't really

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talk about it, you know. So, so I think now

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it's still difficult to get get vets to talk about

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their experience, but I think it's getting better now. And

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I think there's so many many There are a great

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number of veteran support services that were at our screening

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last night, and you're just amazed at the resources that

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are out there, and and so it's just about getting

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those getting the world out that this help the things

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that things that.

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Speaker 2: Are working.

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Speaker 3: Great technology now for our veterans, that that are accessible

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through the VA and other great organizations to support our veterans.

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Speaker 1: See, that's why this is so important. And and you

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know this is all part of the continuation because your

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father was in Italy, you're sharing this story today. This

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is what I love about how we bring it forward

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through the generations, is that if we don't start sharing

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those stories of those before us, it's going to get lost.

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step into a big old bucket of mud.

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, Uh, you're so right, you're.

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Speaker 2: Right, you're you're right on, you're right on, you're right

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on the money with that.

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Speaker 1: Now, what would be the next step after this, because

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you know there's going to be men and women who

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have served this nation, as well as families. Because my

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father was the one that served in World War Two.

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I think this movie really does help me. I'm the

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second generation and and and it's like you're trying to

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piece it all together and understand their journey while keeping

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your journey. Where we are in this world today, What

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Speaker 2: Do you know?

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Speaker 1: Is there a website for these soldiers and families to

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go to. They're going to need help, they know they

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need help.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, there there's so many great organizations.

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Speaker 2: I will start with the VA.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and people at the VA gets a little bit

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of a bad, bad rap, you know, because they say

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they're underfunded, they're this that that is true, but they

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still have great They're on our panel last night was

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Linda I can't remember last night. She heads the v

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the resources they now have to support and then they

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refer you to all these different organizations.

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Speaker 2: I'm off the top of my head.

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Speaker 3: But but, but, but there's but there's so many that

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next step. The next step is make a phone call.

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The next step call your buddy, Call your buddy. You

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served with us, Say how you doing.

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Speaker 2: How's it.

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Speaker 3: Let's go have a beer this weekend. You know, are

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you okay? Brother you know? Uh, reach out to each other.

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Don't bottle it up, don't keep it, don't keep it.

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out and there things are spiraling. Don't feel as though

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there's no hope. There's there's post dramatic growth. That's what

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this film is about, post traumatic post traumatic growth.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't have to end. There's a way out.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, because what you're saying right now

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It is fighting for your country versus living for your

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country and living for your country, to me is what

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I think one of our our panelists now

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our host, I mean the person who was asking our questions,

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Speaker 2: Saying that was her favorite that was her favorite.

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Speaker 3: Quote in the movie that you know, those who fought

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for the country, but now it's time to live this.

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Speaker 1: In the Country's it yep, yep. And and I mean

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one of the things that I find so inspiring is

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how the brotherhood still gets together because we have a

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VA hospital here in Carolina and to go and be

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with the men and women of this VA hospital. I

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wish the community would come to these celebrations they have

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so that when you hear the PTSD stories, you understand

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it and it's not just something you read on the

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front page of the CNN or or some sort of

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New York Times.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's the thing that's the genesis of this

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of this movie.

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Speaker 2: You know, of course, a.

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Speaker 3: Person who served of who's telling his story to Stephen

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as they were driving as card broke down three hours

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outside of LA and he's driving with a tow truck

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driver who tells him his entire life and his struggles

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with his wife, his family, the medication he's taking because

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of because of his servant, and saying, I never told

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anybody this. I have told my wife, I haven't told

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therapist anybody. But I think Steve was saying because he

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felt he was never going to see this guy again,

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he just was able to speak. But as you say,

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you know, when you hear these stories in fourteen years

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of well eleven years before he started shooting, fourteen years

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to it's coming out now of interviewing and talking.

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Speaker 2: To people and being at the VA.

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Speaker 3: Steven spent a lot of time at the VA in Detroit,

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which is where my father died. In the VA, you know,

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we had a lot of great hospitals in Detroit around

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not far from where I lived. My father would always say,

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take me to the VA. Yes, I want to go

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to the and but hearing these stories so so you know,

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the speeches that I give in the movie, so many

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of the speeches were things that he actually heard people say,

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Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: See.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, where can people go to find out more about

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this movie? To support this movie and and to get

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them to understand although the title is sheep Dog, oh,

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it's more than just what they assume it is. Do

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not judge this book by its cover.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, we're coming out on the

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sixteenth in theaters theater near you.

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Speaker 2: Sheep Dog dot Com.

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Speaker 3: I believe, and and Trum try to follow us and

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and then you know, the movie doesn't end just because

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of this weekend. You know, Uh, uh, find find some organization.

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Speaker 5: But we we we are hope hopefully are trying to

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do more tours uh for vets around the country after

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uh just talk to people.

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Speaker 3: So uh then talk about the movie. So see the

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movie so we can all have a conversation about it.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 1: Well, please come back to this show anytime in the future.

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The door is always going to be open for you, sir.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you. I appreciate y'all.

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Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today?

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Speaker 2: Okay, sir, thanks so much.

