Speaker 1: At the drone warfare, AI algorithms, the alien deception and
Speaker 1: how this all relates to the coming one world government.
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Speaker 2: Jay Daya, thank you so much for joining us today.
Speaker 2: We appreciate you being here.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Maria. I'm glad to be back with you.
Speaker 1: It's been a hot minute since we've done a broadcast,
Speaker 1: and we've covered so many interesting things like the project
Speaker 1: Blue Beam Delusion. We've spoken about some writings of Father
Speaker 1: Seraphim Rose in the past, and the deception of the
Speaker 1: end times. And now it seems that the UFO alien
Speaker 1: deception is rearing its ugly head like we've never seen before,
Speaker 1: you know, specifically sparked on by these drones. So I
Speaker 1: am very very keen to hear from you about the
Speaker 1: history of this and why they're moving in this direction.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they seem to roll this out every few months
Speaker 3: when it's useful. I'm not sure exactly what the motives
Speaker 3: are behind the present situation, because there could be many
Speaker 3: things going on. They might be setting up a false
Speaker 3: flag situation where the drones are blamed on some other
Speaker 3: country and we're being invaded. I think they tested that
Speaker 3: with Iran at the beginning, or they might flip it
Speaker 3: over into oh, you know, supporters of Trump conservatives are
Speaker 3: going to engage in some kind of false flag event.
Speaker 3: It also could be a situation where they are ultimately
Speaker 3: just trying to reinvigorate the alien deception narrative, And it
Speaker 3: is something that we've talked about a lot, because this
Speaker 3: is a long term narrative and myth that they've been
Speaker 3: pushing and creating by design, according to some of their
Speaker 3: own white papers, like the nineteen sixties nineteen sixty Brooking
Speaker 3: Institute paper, which says that the discovery of alien life
Speaker 3: would upend all of the Western Biblical tradition because it
Speaker 3: would undermine the incarnation, and then they could really steer
Speaker 3: us into a new religion with some kind of so
Speaker 3: called alien life announcement. So all those things are on
Speaker 3: the table, all those things are relevant. Exactly what they're
Speaker 3: up to, I don't know, but everybody always jumps on aliens,
Speaker 3: which I think is just so ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm actually I was very grateful that Alen Musk
Speaker 1: called this out and he posted this meme. Everyone please
Speaker 1: stop creating fake narratives for ball government Iran. The Iranian mothership.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's really interesting people are seeing through all
Speaker 1: of this. But what I am concerned about, Jay, is
Speaker 1: that you know a lot of people in our.
Speaker 2: Audience as well.
Speaker 1: They'll say to me, oh, but you know alien the
Speaker 1: evidence for aliens or whatever the case may be, And
Speaker 1: my biblical worldview is that this is demonic activity. And
Speaker 1: so you mentioned something recently on an Info Wars broadcast
Speaker 1: that I thought was fantastic, which was the Mirage Men,
Speaker 1: And I'd love for you to talk people through how
Speaker 1: people were actually sioped into being proponents of the UFO conspiracy.
Speaker 3: Only mothership I care about its p Funk's mothership. Do
Speaker 3: you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 2: I don't, but I always.
Speaker 3: The most the most famous Funk in the world. Their
Speaker 3: theme is a mothership. Yeah. So I think the history
Speaker 3: of this is really what tells the story. When we
Speaker 3: go back to H. G. Wells, we go back to
Speaker 3: people who were the premier propagandists of their of their time.
Speaker 3: He was a war propaganda a fabian socialist, high level freemason,
Speaker 3: and he's one of the key figures in crafting the
Speaker 3: entire alien narrative. He wrote War the Worlds or the
Speaker 3: Worlds is probably the biggest alien sci fi story of
Speaker 3: all time, been remade many, many times, most recently by Spielberg.
Speaker 3: So I think, you know, this is a long term
Speaker 3: myth that they've had the Western power structure that they've
Speaker 3: been pushing on purpose. You know, when we come up
Speaker 3: to the nineteen four I'll talk about Mirageman in a second,
Speaker 3: but I think you have to lay the groundwork with
Speaker 3: the long history deception in this domain and how flimsy
Speaker 3: all the so called alien proofs are and the claims
Speaker 3: around it. They're just laughable. You know. You have the
Speaker 3: Roswell event with this military guy holding up a piece
Speaker 3: of tinfoil and saying that it was an alien ship
Speaker 3: that crashed.
Speaker 2: Like a pullar.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just like a polar You have the story of
Speaker 3: the first abductees, Georgia Damski history is mimicked from a
Speaker 3: fam a science fiction novel at that time about being
Speaker 3: taken up and seeing large breasted Venusian women on a ship.
Speaker 3: It's all obviously absurd. And the weird part though, is
Speaker 3: that you have people at the CIA actually defending the
Speaker 3: head of the CIA al and dullest defendant and threatened
Speaker 3: to lot to take the court threaten lawsuits against anyone
Speaker 3: who would challenge Georgia Damski. So why would they be
Speaker 3: covering up and pushing something so ridiculous as this. The
Speaker 3: first alien cult people were also early abductees Betty and
Speaker 3: Barney Hill. They're immediately involved in weird occultic alien ritual groups.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's just all really bizarre. There's
Speaker 3: no there's only substantial to ever suggest that there's extraterrestrial
Speaker 3: life or extra bio, extra threscial biological life EDES or whatever.
Speaker 3: I agree with you that, yeah, there's a lot of craft,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of unexplained things that could be chalked
Speaker 3: up to angelic phenomenon, demons, angels, whatever. But when we
Speaker 3: look at this whole genre, if you go back to
Speaker 3: the MJ twelve documents, you have a bunch of people
Speaker 3: that are involved in psychological operations who if you don't
Speaker 3: know those people, don't tell the truth. Psyops is how
Speaker 3: to lie and trick people, and there's always a close
Speaker 3: connection between the alien stuff and psyops. If you look
Speaker 3: at the Aviary, which is a group of a bunch
Speaker 3: of military contractors and former intelligence agents, one of whom
Speaker 3: I think is Richard dody They're also involved in black ops.
Speaker 3: They're also involved in pushing the alien narrative. And Doty
Speaker 3: is important because he's a key figure in the documentary
Speaker 3: that you mentioned called Miraje Men. I think everybody should
Speaker 3: watch that documentary because it's an interview with various people
Speaker 3: like Dodie and others who was working in Air Force counterintelligence,
Speaker 3: and his story is about how he would pick very
Speaker 3: people to disseminate disinformation to and he taught document is
Speaker 3: not just about him. It also goes in a bunch
Speaker 3: of other people too, But it's the stories of people
Speaker 3: who are chosen to be disseminators of disinformation. Particularly they're
Speaker 3: taken to military bases, they're given all these weird, fake
Speaker 3: stories and they're told, all you're special. We want you
Speaker 3: to go out and tell everybody about the secret deal
Speaker 3: that the government's made with the Pleaateans or whatever, and
Speaker 3: it's all just made up. They even talk about the
Speaker 3: Hollywood people that they bring into film and craft the
Speaker 3: stories and narratives, and I think that's another indicator that
Speaker 3: this is all just wrapped up in deception, and why
Speaker 3: would we believe the government on any of this stuff,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like it's the government is
Speaker 3: now pushing the narrative that we reverse engineered crashed craft.
Speaker 3: That's resurrecting the Roswell story. We have advanced technology from
Speaker 3: alien beings. You know, they're pushing this. They had the
Speaker 3: hearings in Congress last year or whatever. It's just really
Speaker 3: absurd if you if you look into it.
Speaker 1: In every character, who was it that came out from
Speaker 1: that jay and they said that they went to some briefing.
Speaker 1: I can't remember the men's name, but he said Americans
Speaker 1: should be terrified.
Speaker 3: There's a couple of figures that are pushing this. I
Speaker 3: mean there's Auvi Loeb who says that there's motherships off
Speaker 3: the Jewish guy, Auvy Loob, and then there's Louise Loasondo
Speaker 3: is another one of these figures who's been to the
Speaker 3: briefings and he's yeah, so what's funny is that the
Speaker 3: people that you see now, the Tom DeLong from b
Speaker 3: linkeln ighty two is pushing the alien stuff. These people interesting.
Speaker 3: They fit the profile of exactly what Dodie talks about
Speaker 3: in the documentary where he says, we find these narcissistic
Speaker 3: people who think that they're chosen to deliver this message,
Speaker 3: and we use them to spit out whatever nonsense we
Speaker 3: feed them, and they leave it. So I think, you know,
Speaker 3: when you talk about the Blink one eighty two guy,
Speaker 3: he's a perfect example of that. And he just says, well,
Speaker 3: I talked to the generals and they told me it's real.
Speaker 3: There's real alien. It's like as if a general doesn't lie,
Speaker 3: I mean, what are you talking about. Military people are
Speaker 3: trained to lie. CIA is trained to lie. That's what
Speaker 3: they do. So yeah, I mean, I'm sorry, I'm rambling,
Speaker 3: but I just think if you anywhere you really poke
Speaker 3: holes in this whole story, that you just end up
Speaker 3: at CIA Black Ops. And that doesn't exclude, like you
Speaker 3: talked about earlier, private corporations, those are always military dustrial complexes,
Speaker 3: you know, a public private joining at the hips, so
Speaker 3: all these things overlap. This is the military dustra complex
Speaker 3: that we were warned about that's ruling us and running
Speaker 3: us into the ground.
Speaker 1: Basically, Well, I want to talk about that briefly. So
Speaker 1: this just came out that the government is I said,
Speaker 1: the government is letting Black Rock and Co fly.
Speaker 2: Drones in Brooklyn in the midst.
Speaker 1: Of a drone crisis, although I did correct it and
Speaker 1: say it may not necessarily be in the midst of
Speaker 1: a drone crisis.
Speaker 2: The official story.
Speaker 1: Is that the company that's affiliated with Black Rock had
Speaker 1: a party a little while ago and this drone was
Speaker 1: left over, which is super convenient. But nonetheless they're saying, well,
Speaker 1: the biggest thing that's coming out of this is that
Speaker 1: we need to outlaw civilian owned drones or put restrictions
Speaker 1: on that. In the meantime, you have Pallanteer at the
Speaker 1: Army versus Navy game, you know, airing there ad about
Speaker 1: the mothership and drones coming out and how we win
Speaker 1: before it's even started, almost rubbing it in the faces
Speaker 1: of Americans for goodness sake. So we're gonna we are
Speaker 1: winning the drone war. We're winning this syop. You don't
Speaker 1: get to own drones to counter the potential ways in
Speaker 1: which this will be later on utilized to used against civilians.
Speaker 2: It's really twisted.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think of a couple of fiction stories recently.
Speaker 3: Black Mirror had an episode where there were AI Autonomus
Speaker 3: drones that were basically targeting and assassinating various people. I'm
Speaker 3: not saying that's necessarily gonna happen, But I mean I
Speaker 3: think that eventually, you know, if you've watched a lot
Speaker 3: of the sci fi stuff, if you read my books,
Speaker 3: I talked about how a lot of film, a lot
Speaker 3: of television, a lot of novels are predicted programming, so
Speaker 3: they're kind of preparing us for what they plan to do.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's obviously as a sensational as what
Speaker 3: you see in the movies, but a lot of times
Speaker 3: the films do contain the propaganda that they want people
Speaker 3: to accept, and so you know, you have these very
Speaker 3: prominent examples like Black Mirror's episode where really the drones
Speaker 3: are they've eventually become autonomous to the extent that they
Speaker 3: run their own operations. I'm not saying that that necessarily
Speaker 3: will happened, but I mean if AI does advance to
Speaker 3: a degree beyond what we presently know or think, then
Speaker 3: that might be possible that, you know, you could have
Speaker 3: these targeted assassinations. You could have patriots, you could have conservatives,
Speaker 3: Christians being targeted.
Speaker 1: By a true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's another I remember one of the more
Speaker 3: recent X Files episodes, they had the idea of AI
Speaker 3: autonomous drones targeting people as well. That was also I
Speaker 3: think the plot of one of the Avengers movies. I'm
Speaker 3: not a huge fan of Marvel, but yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: I think that they've been preparing us for the sort
Speaker 3: of sky net world and it's not really necessarily the government.
Speaker 3: I mean, the government plays a key role in it,
Speaker 3: but like you're mentioning with black Rock or these other
Speaker 3: mega corporations or shareholding entities, they're the ones that really
Speaker 3: run things, and they, I would say, will have a
Speaker 3: huge say so in the acceptance of AI and a
Speaker 3: lot of corporations, and I think that, I mean, it's
Speaker 3: just I'm not terribly afraid of AI, but I think
Speaker 3: that when you combine it with drones, when you combine
Speaker 3: it with sky Neet, there's a potentiality for the technocratic
Speaker 3: control grid being rolled out that they want to create.
Speaker 3: So I think we have to be totally opposed to
Speaker 3: that obviously, But I mean there's a connection to between
Speaker 3: AI and aliens. I mean, a lot of alien stories
Speaker 3: are joined at the hip with AI. The idea that
Speaker 3: maybe the aliens are advanced, you know, artificial intelligence from
Speaker 3: another planet, or they're here to give us the AI
Speaker 3: or and that that actually makes sense because I think
Speaker 3: they want us to think that we if we submit
Speaker 3: to the technocratic system, that we will participate in this
Speaker 3: great evolutionary leave will become you know, transhuman deities or whatever.
Speaker 3: So it's all connected in a massive web of deception.
Speaker 3: But I think you're right to point to whenever it's
Speaker 3: you know, intities like black Rock or DARP or whatever,
Speaker 3: they're all really just joined at the hip. They work together.
Speaker 3: It's a public private corporate. I mean, that's really what
Speaker 3: fascism is. I mean a lot of people on Twitter
Speaker 3: talk about fascism, but it's not really the thing that
Speaker 3: they're calling out Antifa. That's not real fascism. What's fascism
Speaker 3: is the actual deep state that runs us and has
Speaker 3: a lot of this you know, advanced technicology that they
Speaker 3: want to roll out as a tech control. That's what's
Speaker 3: probably about. So when you say they want to ban
Speaker 3: it for their average citizen or anybody else, that's exactly right,
Speaker 3: because they want to have total control, as the Pentagon
Speaker 3: said some years back, full spectrum dominance over every area
Speaker 3: of life, which just happens to be exactly what Davos
Speaker 3: and the World Economic Forum.
Speaker 2: Says, yeah, that's exactly right.
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what came out of the joint statement
Speaker 1: from the DHS, FBI, FAA, and DoD which basically said, oh,
Speaker 1: there's nothing to see. First it was no, it's not happening.
Speaker 1: Then well, yeah, it is happening. Then there's nothing to
Speaker 1: see here. It's a combination of civilian drones and other things.
Speaker 1: But we recognize the concern I'm quoting now among many communities.
Speaker 1: We continue to support the state and local authorities. We
Speaker 1: urge Congress to enact counter uas legislation when it reconvenes
Speaker 1: that would extend and expand existing counter drone authorities to
Speaker 1: identify and mitigate any threat that may emerge. And of
Speaker 1: course this includes the limited use of civilian drones. And
Speaker 1: so when you consider the future of drone warfare, and
Speaker 1: I think this was mentioned on a Tucker Carson interview
Speaker 1: as well, where the future battlefield is drones like this is,
Speaker 1: and consider that they know far ahead of what we know.
Speaker 1: We've already seen the deployment of drones targeting civilians in
Speaker 1: the Middle East, for example. This is kind of the
Speaker 1: future that these technocrats would have for us. You say
Speaker 1: it may not get that bad, But what's to say
Speaker 1: it couldn't. What's to say that you wouldn't train an
Speaker 1: AI to say anyone that admits too much CO two
Speaker 1: is a threat to the planet thus needs to be eliminated.
Speaker 1: Let's send the drone after them. I mean that we're
Speaker 1: talking about a murderous class of people here. I wanted
Speaker 1: to get your take on something, Jay, because you met
Speaker 1: you you recently mentioned that really at the heart of
Speaker 1: so much of this alien deception really is the move
Speaker 1: towards the world order. Like they've always said that this
Speaker 1: is kind of going to be what dismantles Christianity and
Speaker 1: all this sort of stuff. I've brought this up so
Speaker 1: many times, but I'm going to keep doing it because
Speaker 1: this is absolutely shocking. The un seventy five an unexpected
Speaker 1: message from the future. So this is Vinton's surf, who
Speaker 1: they call the Evangelist of the Internet, saying I was
Speaker 1: mucking around with some frequencies and then this being contacted
Speaker 1: me from the year twenty forty five and said, look,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty is the year that we found out that
Speaker 1: we needed to go really, really hard with climate change and.
Speaker 2: Tackle global warming.
Speaker 1: Global warming to make it to the year twenty forty five,
Speaker 1: and that's what they say, the past twenty five years
Speaker 1: have been critical to our survival as a society and
Speaker 1: a species.
Speaker 2: So first of all, the UN is.
Speaker 1: Communicating with some unknown entity, demon thing that's saying you
Speaker 1: need to enslave the planet to get us to the
Speaker 1: year twenty forty five, and that's published on their website.
Speaker 1: So what a psychopathic organization. But secondly, again this is
Speaker 1: this common pattern of talking to these entities, and we
Speaker 1: see that with so many We see that with Crowley
Speaker 1: Bailey always communicating with some entities.
Speaker 2: Talk to us about that aspect.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean early on, when the UN was me
Speaker 3: in its sort of formative stages, you had the people
Speaker 3: behind it were big supporters of Madame Lebatski, the first
Speaker 3: famous theosophist. So the UN's birth really comes out of
Speaker 3: the ideology of people like Rothschild, Rhodes Milner, and they
Speaker 3: did promote and think that the theosophical religion of Madame
Speaker 3: Levatski might be a potential future world religion. They've batted
Speaker 3: around some other possibilities too, like the cult named the
Speaker 3: Christian Science. None of those actually panned out, but what
Speaker 3: they got was a kind of joining at the hit
Speaker 3: when the UN is eventually created with some kind of
Speaker 3: loose New agey sort of religion. You mentioned Bailey. Her
Speaker 3: works are still promoted and printed by UN affiliate groups.
Speaker 3: So this idea of channeling and talking to ascended masters,
Speaker 3: I mean, it's been there since Bolbaski, Bailey, Anni Vassant,
Speaker 3: all the three Witches of the early phases of the
Speaker 3: United Nations. They've always been claiming to talk to these entities.
Speaker 3: Whether that's true or not. I think in Bolbatski's case,
Speaker 3: she had people from the British government investigate her and
Speaker 3: they thought she was a fraud. So she was writing
Speaker 3: her own letters from the ascended Masters, which just happened
Speaker 3: to back up everything that she taught and what she
Speaker 3: wanted to be the case. So in Bailey's case, she
Speaker 3: wrote a ten point plan to take over the West
Speaker 3: and Detroit Christianity. I did a podcast on that about
Speaker 3: a year ago. So we know what the goal of
Speaker 3: those people is, and it is to create a new
Speaker 3: world religion. And you mentioned this more recent person here
Speaker 3: with channeling. I didn't know about this one, but the
Speaker 3: UN has this long I mean They basically always been
Speaker 3: doing this. If you go back to the nineteen eighties,
Speaker 3: they had a guy David who was their channeler, and
Speaker 3: he was talking about the great world Teacher that was coming.
Speaker 3: I have his book over here. He talks about the
Speaker 3: cosmic Christ, and it's always some channeled, weird, supposed off
Speaker 3: world entity, which like you are, I think hinting at,
Speaker 3: kind of matches up to aliens, right, I mean the psychonauts,
Speaker 3: all those guys too, whether it's Tim of the Tim Leary,
Speaker 3: Terrence McKenna. When they talk about the entities that they encounter,
Speaker 3: John z Lili too, Uh, they say that, you know
Speaker 3: it's they're they're in another dimension and they're giving me
Speaker 3: true they're giving me information and creativity and ideas, And
Speaker 3: that I do think is real because I think I've
Speaker 3: had my own experiences on LSD and I've seen what
Speaker 3: you interact with very close to what people who do
Speaker 3: DMT say when they talk to the clockwork elves and
Speaker 3: the d MT entities say, you know, create a one
Speaker 3: roll government, kill all the people, you know, de arm yourselves,
Speaker 3: and we'll you know, will help you save the world
Speaker 3: because there's a coming crisis. So the purpose of this
Speaker 3: is the same with when Reagan said at the United
Speaker 3: Nations that an off world threat from alien entities could
Speaker 3: unite the world in a world government. And I keep
Speaker 3: going back to science fiction and movies on purpose because
Speaker 3: most people are getting their narrati their worldview from movies
Speaker 3: and TV and music and so forth. So when you've
Speaker 3: watched since you were a little kid, one hundred alien
Speaker 3: movies and TV shows, you're already just primed with the
Speaker 3: alien presubpositions and narrative. And so this this narrative has
Speaker 3: been there since et I grew up in the eighties,
Speaker 3: So you know, I'm supposed to love the aliens when
Speaker 3: they come. Again, I don't think there's aliens, but I
Speaker 3: think it is ultimately a demonic deception. Even people from
Speaker 3: the establishment who are not Christians, people like doctor Jacques
Speaker 3: Vallee have written you know, famous books about how he
Speaker 3: even he realized that this is some kind of big deception,
Speaker 3: and he even says it's not off world, it's something
Speaker 3: to do with entities. Here again, the psychonauts, the things
Speaker 3: that they channel and talk to, same thing that people
Speaker 3: that do DMT. It's always the same message of have
Speaker 3: a world government create a new religion, there's a crisis coming,
Speaker 3: the planet has to be depopulated. It's always the same stuff,
Speaker 3: and it just happens to be the very message that
Speaker 3: the United Nations has founded on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really fascinating. And I know people that have
Speaker 1: had these experiences with certain drugs like DMT who say
Speaker 1: that they say that they met some goddess like figure
Speaker 1: who gave them that type of message.
Speaker 2: It's always the same.
Speaker 1: You reference the Ronald Reagan quote, perhaps we need some
Speaker 1: outside universal threat to make us recognize.
Speaker 2: This common bond.
Speaker 1: I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish
Speaker 1: if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world.
Speaker 3: Have you ever watched the movie Day the Earth Stood Still?
Speaker 3: I think so there's a remake with Keano. It's not
Speaker 3: very good, but the original movie I don't mean, I
Speaker 3: don't think the original one is that good. But that
Speaker 3: was one of the earliest narrative propaganda movies about extraterrestrial
Speaker 3: beings coming here and giving us a message to like
Speaker 3: save the world. And if you watch the movie, the
Speaker 3: entity that comes down from space who's the good guy
Speaker 3: is a carpenter. So he's a kind of a christ figure,
Speaker 3: and he warns the world about this other alien race
Speaker 3: that's coming to destroy everybody. I think his name is
Speaker 3: Klatu or something, and those beings when they get here,
Speaker 3: they say, if you don't disarm yourselves, so gun control,
Speaker 3: no nukes, and all this kind of stuff, and if
Speaker 3: you don't create a world government run by scientists, then
Speaker 3: you will be destroyed. So the idea of one of
Speaker 3: the first big alien movies that was creating I think
Speaker 3: it was twentieth Century Fox. And by the way, the
Speaker 3: guy who was running that production company was involved in
Speaker 3: that film, Zanuk. I think he was working with the
Speaker 3: OSS and government intelligence. So you've got people from the
Speaker 3: OSS CIA working on movies from the very beginning about aliens. C. D. Jackson,
Speaker 3: who was involved in the CIA's doctrinal warfare program to
Speaker 3: co opt the churches to be used as instruments of
Speaker 3: the CIA in the Cold War. He was also working
Speaker 3: and helping to craft movies for twenty sidree Fox at
Speaker 3: this time relating to aliens. So you've got the guy
Speaker 3: who wants to control the narratives that people in the
Speaker 3: religious world believe in Hollywood trying to help craft alien
Speaker 3: movie narratives which is new religion we're supposed to believe
Speaker 3: and just think about panspermia. This is the view that
Speaker 3: a lot of actually famous scientists, Newton and others. Watson Creek,
Speaker 3: I think one of the two of those, believed in panspermia.
Speaker 3: This is the idea that we were seated here by
Speaker 3: alien life and we're kind of a genetic experiment by
Speaker 3: some awfworld entity. They're coming back to check on us,
Speaker 3: and they need to tend us, and they have to
Speaker 3: breed us, and they have to depopulate us like we're
Speaker 3: you know, deer or something like that. I mean, that
Speaker 3: narrative is going to be. It fits into technocracy, it
Speaker 3: fits into transhumanism. It's if it's into Darwinism, and that's
Speaker 3: what I think will be a big deception in the
Speaker 3: coming future.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, and I want to ask. So
Speaker 1: we've already had some religious leaders, you know, adding to this.
Speaker 1: Pope friends is famously talking about the need to potentially
Speaker 1: baptize aliens. Just my goodness, I can never get over that.
Speaker 1: Just the complete heresy of a statement like that, it's
Speaker 1: just crazy. But the contribution of I just did an
Speaker 1: interview recently JA where we spoke about. I spoke with
Speaker 1: Alex Newman and we spoke about the UN's recent climate
Speaker 1: conference in Azerbaijan and a lot of their inter faith
Speaker 1: things where they're talking about, you know, even previously the
Speaker 1: New Ten Commandments for a Better Earth and all of
Speaker 1: this sort of stuff where all these religious leaders are
Speaker 1: joining in and saying, Yah, let's go hard with a
Speaker 1: humanism so that we.
Speaker 2: Can create world peace.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's crazy, but all of this is actually
Speaker 1: related to all of that. So I want to ask
Speaker 1: you what is the problem with the human condition where
Speaker 1: they look to some sort of external savior but they
Speaker 1: won't look to the actual savior, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: What is it that draws them?
Speaker 1: Because it really does say something about the human condition
Speaker 1: that those who believe that aliens are coming to save
Speaker 1: us are actually still looking for a savior, right, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 3: An interesting point. Yeah. It seems like there's a natural,
Speaker 3: innate desire that humans have for God. Obviously we're made
Speaker 3: for God, so we're going to have that inclination. But
Speaker 3: because we're falling, we seek to fill that with all
Speaker 3: these other things. The reason that we look to other
Speaker 3: things is that we want to continue the way we are.
Speaker 3: We don't want to have to change anything. We don't
Speaker 3: want to have to say, oh, I was wrong, I
Speaker 3: made a mistake. This this has got to change, you know.
Speaker 3: In the New Testament it talks about Paul says to
Speaker 3: Timothy that in the future people will listen to false
Speaker 3: teachers who will tell them what their itching ears want
Speaker 3: to hear. So the message in the narrative of the
Speaker 3: u n and the coming fake world religion and all
Speaker 3: this kind of stuff, it's in the New Age itself.
Speaker 3: It's always like you are God, you're your own ruler,
Speaker 3: you're your own creator. You give everything meaning, which is
Speaker 3: the very thing that Satan tempted Adam and Eve with.
Speaker 3: You know, did God really say that you will be
Speaker 3: like God? And that's why he doesn't want you to,
Speaker 3: you know, have fun or whatever. It's the same message
Speaker 3: as Satan in the Garden. Ironically, you would think that
Speaker 3: we would be able to figure it out, but I
Speaker 3: think humans humans want to you know, that they're always
Speaker 3: going to choose the power where they think that they're
Speaker 3: getting a shortcut, they think they're getting they're basically humans
Speaker 3: are basically self worshippers. They worship themselves and you have
Speaker 3: to be broken from that, you know, usually through some
Speaker 3: kind of event or something where God humbles you and
Speaker 3: then you repent and you realize, oh, I'm not actually God,
Speaker 3: I'm not the son of the universe, I'm not my
Speaker 3: own meaning maker. Meaning has to be found outside of myself.
Speaker 3: And so that's that's where we have to come to,
Speaker 3: I think, before we start to believe. But people like
Speaker 3: at the un or Davos and Clouds and these people
Speaker 3: like they are unknowingly probably maybe some of them knowingly
Speaker 3: subservient to fallen spiritual powers, so they actually work for
Speaker 3: the entity who is the real alien entity that fell
Speaker 3: from heaven a long time ago. I mean, the closest
Speaker 3: thing I think to like the alien stories, Actually, Lucifer
Speaker 3: fell from heaven like lightning, right, that's kind of an
Speaker 3: alien story. You could say, yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm so fast this ja because you're saying and you're right,
Speaker 1: you know, we've got to reach this point of humility
Speaker 1: and we don't want to change, and all of that
Speaker 1: is true.
Speaker 2: That's the human condition.
Speaker 1: It certainly was mine at one point where I just
Speaker 1: knew I needed to repent and didn't want to.
Speaker 2: You know, it's happened to all of us. But imagine being.
Speaker 1: A person, and this is because so many people are
Speaker 1: captivated by the UFO stuff, right, Imagine being a person
Speaker 1: that rejects the biblical worldview because they don't want to change,
Speaker 1: but they're willing to accept someone telling them, yeah, we've
Speaker 1: got to depopulate, We've got to cut off our energy
Speaker 1: used to save the trees. That I can't I can't
Speaker 1: really understand how you can be in such a deep
Speaker 1: deception like that. I mean, how do people get to
Speaker 1: that point? Is just purely propaganda. Plus the sinful condition
Speaker 1: is that all it takes.
Speaker 3: Well also our own choices. I mean, humans are accountable.
Speaker 3: So you know, if you've been raised from infancy and
Speaker 3: childhood with aliens and alien movies and all the propaganda
Speaker 3: and all the Darwinism taught in the education system, and
Speaker 3: you know, you're just a monkey and all this, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think we're all and humans are also kind of
Speaker 3: pack herd creatures, and so that, you know, they want
Speaker 3: to go along with what they think everyone else believes
Speaker 3: because they don't want to be seen as outsiders. They
Speaker 3: want to feel like they're part of the group. That's
Speaker 3: a natural sort of survival instinct that I think we have,
Speaker 3: which can be a good thing, but it can also
Speaker 3: be a bad thing because if if everyone is in
Speaker 3: the majority wrong, then wanting to be in with the
Speaker 3: group or believe what everyone else believes, or you just
Speaker 3: go along to get along is not a good thing.
Speaker 3: It's a bad thing. So all those things are part
Speaker 3: of it too. And I think people tend to defer.
Speaker 3: Most people defer to authorities, and so when they see
Speaker 3: the authority structure, whether it's the UN or the government
Speaker 3: or whatever, when they see them touting and pushing thing,
Speaker 3: so they don't want to go against it. They don't
Speaker 3: want to go against the grain. It's just an easy again,
Speaker 3: it's a lot of its easier path that the humans choose.
Speaker 3: They think that they're going to get a shortcut. Humans
Speaker 3: love shortcuts. I mean, I've noticed so many people now,
Speaker 3: for example, everyone asks chat GPT this or that, or
Speaker 3: GROCK this and that, and they don't read books anymore.
Speaker 3: They don't they think that they're getting and I mean
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that they can't be helpful, which I
Speaker 3: use it every now and then, but you can't replace
Speaker 3: reading these books with chat GPT summarizing something. It's in
Speaker 3: other words, it's a lot of laziness going on. So
Speaker 3: it's all those things. I guess all the vices contribute
Speaker 3: to why that's such a good point.
Speaker 1: And I noticed in recent times when you Google something
Speaker 1: you get an AI summary, and so it's it's all
Speaker 1: moving in that direction. We have an Internet, a mixed
Speaker 1: reality experience already where life is being run by algorithms,
Speaker 1: our perceptions being run by algorithms. And this is exactly,
Speaker 1: by the way, what the World Economic Forum recently published
Speaker 1: in a white paper where they said, oh, we need
Speaker 1: to create a one world government and make sure everyone's
Speaker 1: got their digital idea and biometrics and everything linked up
Speaker 1: for the coming world order. Okay, that's only what we've
Speaker 1: been warning about for several years. But I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people see through that. And then when you know,
Speaker 1: they may be secular people that see through that stuff,
Speaker 1: but they don't really understand the role of the interfaith movement.
Speaker 1: So here's Pope Francis per the Atlantic and you can
Speaker 1: find this everywhere says he would definitely baptize aliens if
Speaker 1: they asked him to. And then I really want to
Speaker 1: show people the ten point plan of Alice Bailey, which
Speaker 1: you brought up. So take God and prayer out of
Speaker 1: the education system, reduce parental authority over the children, destroy
Speaker 1: the Judeo Christian family structure, the traditional Christian family structure.
Speaker 2: If sex is.
Speaker 1: Free, then make abortion legal, make it easy, make divorce
Speaker 1: easy and legal. Free people from the concept of marriage
Speaker 1: for life. Make homosexuality and alternative lifestyle debase art, make
Speaker 1: it run mad. Use media to promote and change mindsets.
Speaker 1: Create an interfaith movement. We're already seeing that now. It's
Speaker 1: such a big part of this. And get governments to
Speaker 1: make all these law and get the church to endorse
Speaker 1: these changes.
Speaker 2: I mean we're pretty much at point ten.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the interfaith movement has always been since the late
Speaker 3: eighteen nineties an establishment, elite, oligarchical promoted thing to control religion. So,
Speaker 3: you know, the state, going all the way back to
Speaker 3: the ancient world, wanted to control the church. You had
Speaker 3: different emperors who wanted to promote heresies like arianism and iconoclasm.
Speaker 3: And although the emperors didn't succeed at times, they did
Speaker 3: get quite a few people on their side. They did
Speaker 3: get the upper hand. But eventually, you know, the church
Speaker 3: continues on the emperors die, the empires go away, and
Speaker 3: the church continues. But that doesn't change. We're going to
Speaker 3: a world. It's not like, oh, that's something back then.
Speaker 3: The state has always tried to control the church in
Speaker 3: various ways. And I don't just mean the state. I
Speaker 3: also mean the elite families that run the state, that
Speaker 3: own it and own the Federal Reserve, and own all
Speaker 3: the corporations and so forth, and so yeah. I mean
Speaker 3: religion is a very powerful, potent thing in people's lives.
Speaker 3: It's how they gather their meaning. It influences their actions.
Speaker 3: It's a huge force for social action. And if you're
Speaker 3: the state, or if you're the corporate state, if you're
Speaker 3: the deep state, whatever, like, obviously you want to steer
Speaker 3: that because that allows you to influence and nudge and
Speaker 3: socially engineering massive groups of people. I mentioned earlier CD Jackson,
Speaker 3: who was involved in the production of certain alien movies.
Speaker 3: He was the CIA's point man for what's called the
Speaker 3: doctrinal Warfare program. That wasn't I mean it related to acumenism.
Speaker 3: It wasn't directly about acumenism. That was just the CIA saying,
Speaker 3: how can we marshal all of these churches in the
Speaker 3: Cold War to promote out Americanism overseas and in the world.
Speaker 3: And you might think, well, but we had to defeat
Speaker 3: the Soviets, and well that's true. Like you know, if
Speaker 3: you believe in the dialectors of the Cold War, you're
Speaker 3: now basically signing the church over to Oh, I'm just
Speaker 3: going to listen to what the CIA tells me to do. Right,
Speaker 3: So when the CIA says now it's time for your
Speaker 3: churches to start flying, you know, skittles, flags and doing
Speaker 3: all the other stuff we say, you see the point, right,
Speaker 3: you're already submitted to deep state controllers in the church
Speaker 3: and they were very effective at that. And it's the
Speaker 3: same with the interfaith movement, because the interfaith movement has
Speaker 3: always been promoted by the CIA. It's the same elite families,
Speaker 3: the rock Fellers and others who really put the seed
Speaker 3: money into the interfaith movement, the entire humanist movement by
Speaker 3: the time of the World Council Churches, National Council Churches.
Speaker 3: That's all fun for the Rockfellers directly. It's in their
Speaker 3: biography right there. It's admitted bart of the Rockefeller's whole
Speaker 3: chapter on them creating and funding the ecumenist movement. So
Speaker 3: why why would they do that again? Because churches are
Speaker 3: what they call soft power. Soft power is a way
Speaker 3: to express non kinetic warfare power in other countries and
Speaker 3: other regions across the world. Hollywood is a form of
Speaker 3: soft power to push American values and Hollywood values to
Speaker 3: the rest of the world as part of social engineering.
Speaker 3: So the point is that humanism interfaith always been wrapped
Speaker 3: up in the oss and ca And if you read
Speaker 3: the David Wimhop book, it's about a six seven hundred
Speaker 3: page book on that very topic where it's all admitted.
Speaker 2: I want to.
Speaker 1: Ask you how likely you think it is that, because okay,
Speaker 1: so I look at this as a Christian and I go,
Speaker 1: there's no way I would fall for this stuff, because
Speaker 1: I've been warned in advance. Although maybe I'm thinking too
Speaker 1: highly of myself here that I can't be fooled as well.
Speaker 2: And hopefully you know that's.
Speaker 1: Not the case, and we should all pray that we're
Speaker 1: not deceived.
Speaker 3: But just listen to what I say. Won't before.
Speaker 2: But I look at that and I go, there's no
Speaker 2: way that people will buy this.
Speaker 1: But they will, and many will and so I want
Speaker 1: to ask you how likely you think it is that
Speaker 1: they would go in the path of an alien deception,
Speaker 1: maybe pre or even post war.
Speaker 3: I think that they study and see where public opinion
Speaker 3: is on these things. You know, the people who formulated
Speaker 3: public opinion, people like Walter Lippmann and all the people
Speaker 3: from Tavsak Institute. They were studying public opinion and polling
Speaker 3: as a way to socially engineer and steer the masses
Speaker 3: back in the nineteen twenties because they realized that, well,
Speaker 3: I just we just put out fake polls. Because people
Speaker 3: want to be part of the group, they'll go along
Speaker 3: with whatever the majority says in the poll. That's how
Speaker 3: kind of naive people were back at that time, in
Speaker 3: the thirties, forties, fifties, and so they were putting out polls,
Speaker 3: for example, saying that majority of Americans support the war,
Speaker 3: you know, and then people wouldn't question the war because
Speaker 3: they didn't want to be outsiders. They want to be
Speaker 3: part of the group. So they realized very quickly that
Speaker 3: just make up a fake poll that says the majority
Speaker 3: believe this, and it works. That doesn't work as much anymore.
Speaker 3: People don't really care about poles. You know, we've seen
Speaker 3: Trump era poles didn't even matter. They were all fake,
Speaker 3: selective and who they survey. So the reason I bring
Speaker 3: up polling though, is because it's the same type of
Speaker 3: deception that we're talking about here, where where people will
Speaker 3: want to be a part of the group that want
Speaker 3: to feel like they're not an outsider. And it's the
Speaker 3: same with the alien threat, because they're only going to
Speaker 3: roll that out if they feel like enough people will
Speaker 3: fall for it or believe it. So I would imagine
Speaker 3: probably part of the r and D, the research and
Speaker 3: development that goes on when the drone sigh out, whatever's
Speaker 3: going on with this, it's probably also being studied to
Speaker 3: see how many people talk about and think that it's aliens, right,
Speaker 3: And I would guess this is just my opinion and
Speaker 3: my guessing here that if the percentage of people that
Speaker 3: talk about believing aliens that they can graph from the Internet,
Speaker 3: from AI or whatever, if that reaches a certain point,
Speaker 3: then maybe then they would roll it out. I think
Speaker 3: there's a lot of people that are still skeptical. You know,
Speaker 3: it's last year when they were doing all these UFO
Speaker 3: hearings and stuff, like people didn't even care. It's kind
Speaker 3: of like blip on the radar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's different when you start to see weird
Speaker 1: stuff in the sky, right yeah.
Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, yeah, like maybe they roll out weirder and
Speaker 3: weirder blue beam type stuff, people will be more susceptible
Speaker 3: to believing it.
Speaker 1: And you you mentioned something really crucial there, which is
Speaker 1: and this is where my concern comes in with AI
Speaker 1: and algorithms and things, because okay, polling doesn't work anymore,
Speaker 1: fake narratives through the fake media don't work anymore. But
Speaker 1: what does work is algorithms. And when you have, for example,
Speaker 1: what your screen is giving me the thumbs down?
Speaker 2: Did you see that bubble pop up? You didn't see it? Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're not, We're not. It's quite all right, So.
Speaker 3: I didn't do that. Who's who's thumbing me down? I
Speaker 3: don't know down.
Speaker 1: Yes, But anyway, so what they have now in their
Speaker 1: tool chest is AI. And you mentioned, you know, sort
Speaker 1: of scraping of the internet, AI dissecting through the public
Speaker 1: response at faster speeds than a pole ever could, and
Speaker 1: algorithms to boost certain things that they want in the
Speaker 1: public domain. You know, you'll see a particular story and
Speaker 1: it's not it doesn't seem to be of that much importance,
Speaker 1: but that's all you see, Why do the algorithms but
Speaker 1: boost that specific thing. It's like the propaganda machine of
Speaker 1: the mainstream media doesn't work anymore, but it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: because now they have algorithms.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think Jack Dorsey, who I'm sure people are
Speaker 3: critical of, had a whole talk recently where you talked
Speaker 3: about we're all ruled by our rhythms now, and so
Speaker 3: it's a question of what types of algorithms are being
Speaker 3: put out is it Are they ones that respect and
Speaker 3: believe in liberty and the ability to assess the information
Speaker 3: on your own, or are they just feeding us the
Speaker 3: slop and the propaganda. Well, I'm sure it's going to
Speaker 3: be the slop and the propaganda. So we're probably already
Speaker 3: under some degree of AI control that we don't know about.
Speaker 3: In other words, probably what they're rolling out in the
Speaker 3: public versions of the latest chat GPT these are probably
Speaker 3: you know, older things. I remember a news story from
Speaker 3: about twenty fourteen where they were saying back then that
Speaker 3: AI was capable of doing basically what chad gip does,
Speaker 3: what chat GPT does now. So if you know that
Speaker 3: was ten years ago. It's probably a lot more advanced
Speaker 3: in terms of the secret corporate versions of it, whatever
Speaker 3: those are, so we might actually already be under some
Speaker 3: kind of large scale AI Internet control. I watched the
Speaker 3: video the other night about I don't believe that dead
Speaker 3: Internet theory is totally true. It's a little over the top,
Speaker 3: but that's a theory that the Internet theory. This is
Speaker 3: the idea that the Internet as we used to know
Speaker 3: of it, like from you know, beginning until around twenty fourteen,
Speaker 3: fifteen sixteen, that that internet's pretty much gone, and that
Speaker 3: perhaps they were they are intentionally destroying the existing Internet.
Speaker 3: It's a theory. I don't know if it's true, but
Speaker 3: the idea is that they're flooding it with AI and bots,
Speaker 3: and the reason for that is that the more they
Speaker 3: do that, the less useful, the less relevant it becomes,
Speaker 3: and then they can roll out the new Internet, right
Speaker 3: which fixes all these problems where you don't have to
Speaker 3: have bots everywhere, but you've got to sign on with
Speaker 3: an Internet ID and you have to be tracked and traced.
Speaker 3: So that's an interesting theory that they might be trying
Speaker 3: to kind of do away with or blow up the
Speaker 3: existing Internet to bring the new one, which is all
Speaker 3: a centralized tract and controlled and will will require an ID.
Speaker 3: That's very plausible. I don't know if that's the case,
Speaker 3: but I did see a video where someone was going
Speaker 3: through the capabilities of bots now too, basically not just
Speaker 3: flood you know everybody's comments with bots and you know
Speaker 3: Twitter with bots, but actually that the same bots that
Speaker 3: are flooding that are fake bots flooding comments. They're all
Speaker 3: they actually make like entire websites like like right away
Speaker 3: to give the appearance that it's a real, you know,
Speaker 3: person and they really want to run a website. It's
Speaker 3: all just a I bots. So it's getting really sophisticated.
Speaker 3: But it's like, I don't know what purpose it would
Speaker 3: served other than to just kind of destroy the Internet.
Speaker 1: Well, and probably to to advance the narrative of we
Speaker 1: need to combat miss in disinformation. You know, AIL all
Speaker 1: unreliable unless.
Speaker 2: We yeah, well, I mean the E he's a perfect
Speaker 2: example of this. We've got to.
Speaker 1: Regulate AI because of deep fakes, because of this, that
Speaker 1: the other, but we.
Speaker 2: Still retain control of the AI.
Speaker 1: And that's very much what they published in their book
Speaker 1: remaking the world towards an age of global enlightenment. The
Speaker 1: UN's AI World Society that describes this mixed reality.
Speaker 2: Which the WF is saying, yeah, we've got to do
Speaker 2: this now.
Speaker 1: I think that there's already a version of this now, Jay,
Speaker 1: that a lot of people are living online. They're already
Speaker 1: living in the metaverse, which is actually the AI World Society,
Speaker 1: but you know they're calling it the metaverse. There's already
Speaker 1: a version of this now, and so I think you're
Speaker 1: right in that there may already be a huge element
Speaker 1: of algorithmic control in people's lives, in people's minds, in
Speaker 1: their belief systems. And that's really my concern for whatever
Speaker 1: comes next. It doesn't matter what comes next, how much
Speaker 1: of how much are people actually going to be able
Speaker 1: to discern.
Speaker 3: I'm not too black, cold or negative. I think there's
Speaker 3: a lot of paus it is on the scene. A
Speaker 3: lot of good things are happening, you know that. I
Speaker 3: think they tried rolling out hotels and different characters and
Speaker 3: they kind of hint they hinted at like a new
Speaker 3: scam deemic, and that it just didn't People don't seem
Speaker 3: to be interested in going down that Road like nobody.
Speaker 3: Everybody just ignored it. Nobody cares about another so called scandemic,
Speaker 3: So I don't I don't know. We were talking about
Speaker 3: this the other day, my wife and I. I don't
Speaker 3: know what thing they're going to pull that will work.
Speaker 3: I mean maybe if they, you know, pull some giant
Speaker 3: false flag that would work. But I mean people are
Speaker 3: kind of just not believing anything. Nobody cared about all
Speaker 3: the alien stuff last year that they were, and they
Speaker 3: were pushing that hard with hearings and Congress and reverse
Speaker 3: engineer technology. I'm just just I've never seen anything that
Speaker 3: heavily pushed that really didn't excite anyone. Yeah, now everybody's
Speaker 3: interested in the drones, but it seems like the dominant
Speaker 3: narrative is still that it's drone, so it's not really
Speaker 3: I mean, I see people talking about aliens. I just
Speaker 3: don't know what they're going to be able to pull
Speaker 3: that would actually work where people aren't going to just
Speaker 3: immediately see through it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's such a good point.
Speaker 1: And the interest in the drones is more about who's
Speaker 1: doing it and why not always being invaded. So it's
Speaker 1: people are at this level where they're just distrusting every
Speaker 1: official narrative that comes out, which is which is a
Speaker 1: very very good sign.
Speaker 2: I there was a.
Speaker 1: Very important thing that I wanted to read to everyone,
Speaker 1: which was a warning from Saint Gabriel that said, during
Speaker 1: the times of Antichrist, the strongest temptation will be anticipation
Speaker 1: of salvation from the cosmos from humanoids extraterrestrials that.
Speaker 2: Are actually the demons.
Speaker 1: One should rarely look up at the sky, as the
Speaker 1: signs might be deceptive, and thus one may be ruined.
Speaker 1: The very very strong words there, one may be ruined
Speaker 1: by these deceptive signs. And so I think that what
Speaker 1: people are going to buy it or not Jay, they
Speaker 1: will run with things like this, you know, in cycles
Speaker 1: or in a big event, whatever the case may be,
Speaker 1: they'll still try it because as they try these minisiops,
Speaker 1: then they get more and more sophisticated to figure out
Speaker 1: what level do we need to go to for people
Speaker 1: to believe us. And I have a few people I've
Speaker 1: seen comments in some of my comments that are like,
Speaker 1: but yeah, but there are ancient civilizations and what about
Speaker 1: some people talk about, you know, what about mentions of
Speaker 1: things that are like UFOs in the Bible. How do
Speaker 1: we reconcile that with the belief that this is all
Speaker 1: just amnic activity.
Speaker 2: Can you spend a bit of time on that.
Speaker 3: Well, I think in the Bible the references like in
Speaker 3: Ezekiel are not two aliens. They're specifically a rank of
Speaker 3: the angelic hierarchy known as cherubs. So Ezekiel is seeing
Speaker 3: a series of visions of angelic beings and he sees
Speaker 3: one like the Son of Man that chariot. So that's
Speaker 3: that's Jesus, as identified in Revelations one and two, commenting
Speaker 3: on Ezekiel one through ten. So there's nothing in Ezekiel
Speaker 3: one through ten or Revelation one that in any way
Speaker 3: suggests extra biological entities, crafts, whatever. And a big part
Speaker 3: of the whole alien mythos is the idea that, oh, well,
Speaker 3: because the universe you see is four point five billion
Speaker 3: years old, there has to have been all the opportunity
Speaker 3: for life to have evolved on all the other infinite
Speaker 3: worlds out there. Well, that just assumes, you know, Big
Speaker 3: Bang narrative and all that, which I don't believe makes
Speaker 3: any sense philosophically. So it's all based on these assumptions
Speaker 3: that are unproven in terms of the age of the
Speaker 3: universe to where people get to the possibility of there
Speaker 3: being alien life on other planets. It's also I think
Speaker 3: in the talmud by the way that there's one hundred
Speaker 3: or eighteen thousand worlds out there or something like that. So,
Speaker 3: I mean, we just don't even know that that's the case.
Speaker 3: It's all kind of based on ancient even ancient Hindu
Speaker 3: theology posits the infinite worlds of the gods and all
Speaker 3: this kind of stuff. So it's all really bound up
Speaker 3: with the We get.
Speaker 1: That in Marvel too, right, Marvel Is it Marvel that
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of with the multi universe and things like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, multiverse plays into this because Marvel pushes that, I think,
Speaker 3: to give to people who don't believe in religion or God.
Speaker 3: It's like a new kind of magic metaphysics to where
Speaker 3: anything can happen because we live in a multiverse and
Speaker 3: you can pull, you know, powers from other dimensions. I mean,
Speaker 3: the literal Marvel nonsense that you see was being sighted
Speaker 3: the other day when they were talking about the chip
Speaker 3: that Google's supposedly developed Willow, they were saying that they
Speaker 3: were saying that it proves the multiverse because this chip
Speaker 3: can pull from other dimensions. I mean, it's it's just
Speaker 3: that's just sci fi. Like people will literally believe I
Speaker 3: Fi stuff if it's a science entity that claims that
Speaker 3: that's what was going on. I don't believe any of that.
Speaker 3: I just think that that and there's a long history
Speaker 3: of science being involved in fraud and making up stuff too. Anyway,
Speaker 3: I forgot where we were going with this, but or
Speaker 3: what your question was. I'm in rambling.
Speaker 2: It's quite all right, my I think I was talking.
Speaker 1: About I quoted that one should rarely look up at
Speaker 1: the skies. The signs might be deceptive, and thus one
Speaker 1: may be ruined. And how some people still think that
Speaker 1: this is you know, there is more like they quote
Speaker 1: Bible references and they quote ancient civilizations and I don't
Speaker 1: know Tataria, and you know, they blump it all up
Speaker 1: into one basket and there, like, yeah, there's there's something
Speaker 1: they're not telling us. Although you know, there we do
Speaker 1: have the Nephelim referenced in the Bible, but that's it's
Speaker 1: not what this is.
Speaker 2: This is different.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean I don't see how Nephelin have
Speaker 3: anything to do with aliens. I mean there's actually an
Speaker 3: evangelical guy that wrote a good book many many years ago.
Speaker 3: I think I still have it up there on my shelf.
Speaker 3: It's called Alien Deception, and he kind of went into
Speaker 3: the whole history of you know, the alien stuff, and
Speaker 3: I think some of his lectures are on YouTube. Those
Speaker 3: are pretty good if people are looking for like a
Speaker 3: biblical breakdown. Obviously, father so from Rose's book, you know,
Speaker 3: orthodotically Religion in the Future as a classic, and trying
Speaker 3: to think of the different critiques of this idea from
Speaker 3: a biblical perspective that I've looked at over the years,
Speaker 3: I just think it doesn't make any and there's not
Speaker 3: really anything in divine revelation at all. It talks about
Speaker 3: extra biological entities. It's bound up with the evolutionary mythos
Speaker 3: and four point five billion years to give the other
Speaker 3: planets enough time to produce life magically or accidentally. It's
Speaker 3: just kind of absurd. And when you look at this
Speaker 3: is I always tell people I can't find anybody, by
Speaker 3: the way, whoever debate me on this. I do a
Speaker 3: lot of debates, as you know. One of the big
Speaker 3: alien proponents the other day was calling me out after
Speaker 3: my Alex Jones show, and I said, hey, let's do
Speaker 3: a debate, because I've never heard anybody who believes in
Speaker 3: aliens actually give me a good argument or proof or
Speaker 3: evidence of an alien. There's a blurry video. Okay, well,
Speaker 3: how does this blurry video tell me that it's an
Speaker 3: extra biological entity? Maybe it's maybe it's an interdimensional spiritual
Speaker 3: being from Earth, you know what I mean. And there's
Speaker 3: never any alien bodies. It's like, this is X files
Speaker 3: level stuff they were showing on X files in the nineties,
Speaker 3: like the Alien autopsy. Fox played the alien autopsy in
Speaker 3: the nineteen nineties and it was obviously a joke. They
Speaker 3: even said it was a joke. So it's like, where's
Speaker 3: the bodies, where's anything that proves extra biological entities? And
Speaker 3: if it's not an ebe, then there's no basis to
Speaker 3: believe that we're being visited by other planets unless you
Speaker 3: believe that demons are you know, fallen spiritual entity. Well,
Speaker 3: that's a demon, that's not an alien.
Speaker 1: Right, Father Seraphim Rose in that book that the orthodoxy
Speaker 1: in the religion of the Future. And if anyone hasn't
Speaker 1: seen my interview with Jay on this we did a
Speaker 1: book review of that text. It's fantastic book, and I think,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a timeless, timeless book.
Speaker 2: I encourage everyone to buy it. It's not that expensive
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 1: I think you can pick it up for twenty bucks
Speaker 1: on Amazon, or if you visit some of the Orthodox
Speaker 1: bookshops they have at for the same price. I'd rather
Speaker 1: people support them than Amazon. But nonetheless, it's a fantastic book.
Speaker 1: And Father Seraphim raises a very good point, which is
Speaker 1: that we can't completely discount all these people that are
Speaker 1: claiming they're having these alien encounters, especially sort of in
Speaker 1: the eighties, like what we have to actually look at
Speaker 1: what's happening with these people. Of course, the Christian view
Speaker 1: is this is attributed to demonic visitations. Some of it
Speaker 1: is on drugs, some of it isn't Jay and so
Speaker 1: it could very well be the powers that be working
Speaker 1: with demonic entities, which is the view of anyone who
Speaker 1: really studies the New Old Order.
Speaker 2: They're working with demonic entity.
Speaker 1: To receive their plan for how they're going to subjugate
Speaker 1: the earth in preparation for Antichrist. That's really what this
Speaker 1: whole thing is. And so if you're interacting with these beings,
Speaker 1: that's who they are.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a there was a situation I remember
Speaker 3: a few years back where I interviewed, Actually, you should
Speaker 3: interview these guys. Do you know the Collins brothers. Are
Speaker 3: you familiar with them?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: Paul and Philip Collins wrote a really big book. It's
Speaker 3: called Invoking the Beyond. I'll send you a couple of
Speaker 3: their interviews that I've had them on many times. I've
Speaker 3: known them for many years. They wrote a really good,
Speaker 3: really big thick book that if you're looking just for
Speaker 3: the alien section, it's about the middle three hundred pages
Speaker 3: of their big thick book where they do the best
Speaker 3: coverage of the alien stuff that I've ever seen from
Speaker 3: a like a journalistic perspective. And they go into a
Speaker 3: lot of the geopolitics too, and I think they would
Speaker 3: admit that there's a demonic element too. They don't focus
Speaker 3: on the demonic element, but they do focus on the
Speaker 3: propaganda control system element of the whole alien mythos. And
Speaker 3: we had a really good interview on this topic, and
Speaker 3: you know, they were talking about how it's almost always
Speaker 3: been connected to associated with people who were themselves deviants, again,
Speaker 3: a lot of the abductees were describing scenarios that involve
Speaker 3: very bizarre sexual things, a lot of butt probing and
Speaker 3: this kind of stuff. Why has that always been at
Speaker 3: the root of the alien phenomenon. Well, this is my
Speaker 3: own speculation. I've always thought there's an interesting connection between
Speaker 3: what you read about in cases of satanic ritual abuse
Speaker 3: SRA and the experiences and claims of people in the
Speaker 3: alien abduction phenomenon. They're very close to sexual abuse SRA.
Speaker 3: The Collins Brothers cover that pretty extensively in their book.
Speaker 3: So I don't know in every case obviously what's going on,
Speaker 3: but there is there are these patterns that suggest probably
Speaker 3: both human and demonic psychological operations, abuse, etc. Also, I
Speaker 3: think if you look at the history of MK ultra,
Speaker 3: this is an untapped area you could look at, and
Speaker 3: I think the Collins Brothers touch on this some in
Speaker 3: their book, but not many people have made a connection
Speaker 3: between the UFO abduction phenomena and MK ultra. But if
Speaker 3: you look at the possibility of dosing people with LSD,
Speaker 3: the kind of entities that people experience and see on
Speaker 3: powerful who's hallucinogens, the kind of you know, bright lights
Speaker 3: out of body experiences that people have on LSD, they
Speaker 3: also match up with what happens in abduction scenarios, supposedly,
Speaker 3: So I could see a scenario where perhaps the military,
Speaker 3: perhaps the deep state, is experimenting on unwitting people. And
Speaker 3: you know, if you're some backwoods farmer and somebody doses
Speaker 3: you with LSD in the nineteen sixties, you've never heard
Speaker 3: of LSD. You don't know what it is. And LSD
Speaker 3: I would know, I mean, I know what it's like
Speaker 3: like you you would think you were talking to aliens
Speaker 3: and seeing heavenly visions, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: And so I could easily see a scenario where abductees,
Speaker 3: you know, were given drugs and they thought that they
Speaker 3: were seeing entities. In fact, there was a famous case
Speaker 3: that Tristan and I covered on a livestream a few
Speaker 3: years ago. It's in the BBC. There was a professor,
Speaker 3: I think it was a professor who is literally drugging
Speaker 3: people and then staging and faking alien scenarios with people,
Speaker 3: and he got caught doing this. He went it's in
Speaker 3: the BBC. He went to I think he went to
Speaker 3: prison for this, or he was recruited to the establishment
Speaker 3: to help, right. I mean, I forget exactly what happened
Speaker 3: to him, but this is an example of hey, wait
Speaker 3: a minute, this is what we're talking about. This is
Speaker 3: like people are manipulating using these scenarios. They're drugging people.
Speaker 3: I could see that happening. And one last thing is
Speaker 3: that I don't know a whole lot about this, but
Speaker 3: the people who describe sleep paralysis also sound very close
Speaker 3: to situations that people describe in terms of abductions. So
Speaker 3: there's a lot of parallels there. I mean, not everybody
Speaker 3: who has sleep paralysis sees a gray, but many of
Speaker 3: them do. And not every person who has sleep paralysis
Speaker 3: has you know, their butt probed, but there's commonalities there
Speaker 3: to where I was terrified, I couldn't move, I was
Speaker 3: out of body experience, and the entities came in the
Speaker 3: room and they they were examining me and you know,
Speaker 3: messing with me, and it's it's very similar. So I
Speaker 3: think all of these suggest like there's some sort of
Speaker 3: a spiritual phenomena of demonic oppression that's going on, and
Speaker 3: probably government operatives and agents and mad scientists who you know,
Speaker 3: get off on dosing people with LSD and studying their
Speaker 3: reactions and by the way to see I actually did
Speaker 3: that in Operation Midnight Climax, where they worked with the
Speaker 3: organized crime structure to dose unwitting John visiting prostitutes, and
Speaker 3: they do. In other words, there is precedent for the
Speaker 3: establishment dosing people they else do without their knowledge.
Speaker 2: That's fascinating.
Speaker 1: And you know, even when we consider the sort of
Speaker 1: the biodigital convergence, the linking all humans.
Speaker 2: To the AI hive mind, I think.
Speaker 1: Neuralink is probably a primitive version of what they're actually.
Speaker 2: Planning, if I'm honest.
Speaker 1: But you know, we have to also consider the possibility
Speaker 1: of technological influence on people. Maybe they don't need to
Speaker 1: dose you with a drug anymore, you know, they can.
Speaker 1: They have voice to skull, they have all sorts of
Speaker 1: things now.
Speaker 2: So even for.
Speaker 1: The most sort of fortified mind, there are other external
Speaker 1: things that could influence is in the wrong direction essentially,
Speaker 1: J What do you think is the biggest, the most
Speaker 1: effective way for people to protect themselves against this deception.
Speaker 3: I think you have to kind of have a biblically
Speaker 3: focused attitude and worldview. You have to be orthodox. I mean,
Speaker 3: I see a lot of people in the Protestant and
Speaker 3: Catholic sphere falling for all kinds of delusions. I mean,
Speaker 3: if you're a Catholic and you follow Francis, you're going
Speaker 3: to be baptizing aliens. So I wouldn't. I don't think
Speaker 3: there's any discernment left in those spheres. I think you've
Speaker 3: got to be Orthodox. You got to be involved in
Speaker 3: the liturgy, you got to be involved in the church,
Speaker 3: you got to be in the scripture as constantly. Also,
Speaker 3: I think that not spending a lot of time on
Speaker 3: the internet. As I get older, like more and more,
Speaker 3: I come to the conclusion that the less time you're
Speaker 3: spending on the Internet and the more that you're spending
Speaker 3: the real world is better. And I say that as
Speaker 3: a person who works on the internet. So you know,
Speaker 3: you and I, I think you're around the same age
Speaker 3: with me. You're probably a little bit younger. But you
Speaker 3: remember the world before the internet was everywhere, and although
Speaker 3: we weren't as sophisticated, we didn't know as much of
Speaker 3: what was going on in the world. The world was
Speaker 3: a lot more healthy and normal, and people were having
Speaker 3: normal human experiences. And that's kind of going away a
Speaker 3: lot of the you know, younger gen z like all
Speaker 3: their life is on the Internet, and I think that's
Speaker 3: really dangerous. I don't think humans were meant to live
Speaker 3: that way. It's kind of like a god level technology
Speaker 3: that you could use in a wise way, or it
Speaker 3: can destroy you. So I would not spend a lot
Speaker 3: of time on the internet. I would start eating organic food,
Speaker 3: I would start working out, I would start you know,
Speaker 3: that's about it. I mean, I'm a big believer in
Speaker 3: bitcoin too. I don't believe bitcoin is the mark of
Speaker 3: the beast. So for economics, it's better than gold, even
Speaker 3: so you could get your.
Speaker 1: Oh we'll have a fight about that, Jay, Huh, We're gonna.
Speaker 2: Have a fight about this about bitcoin, about bitcoin big
Speaker 2: better than gold. I'm kidding, of course that I'm going
Speaker 2: to fight with you. I see the parers both.
Speaker 3: And by the way, my joke is that here's my
Speaker 3: life hack for how you get gold. If you want
Speaker 3: all the gold you want, you just stack bitcoin for
Speaker 3: the next ten years, and then ten years you can
Speaker 3: buy all the gold you want.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I definitely see the benefit of some of the crypto,
Speaker 1: especially right now, people can make quite quite a bit
Speaker 1: of money on things like bank I mean, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, sorry, what was that also being debanked? I mean
Speaker 3: a lot of the people in the Canadian trucker scenario
Speaker 3: when they were debanked, they were able to survive through bitcoin.
Speaker 3: So you know, if the system moves towards d banking,
Speaker 3: you can presently live literally just on bitcoin. Jack Mollers
Speaker 3: has created the stroke app to do that. There's also
Speaker 3: a bit pay where you can basically use crypto to buy,
Speaker 3: like if you want to go to Kroger something like that,
Speaker 3: or the grocery store and you weren't able to, like
Speaker 3: for the in the foreseeable future, let's say that they
Speaker 3: turn off your credit card and you can't get a bank,
Speaker 3: and let's say they don't accept cash anymore, you can,
Speaker 3: through various apps, presently live literally just on crypto. It's
Speaker 3: a little bit of a hassle because you have to
Speaker 3: buy through the app the gift cards for the grocery
Speaker 3: store or right or whatever. But you can do it,
Speaker 3: and people have already been been having to do it.
Speaker 1: Yes, there are people that have to do it already.
Speaker 1: And my my only concern is with anything digital that
Speaker 1: you know, we've already seen them trying to control you know,
Speaker 1: digital currencies and put their claws into it, and so
Speaker 1: I see an element of freedom in it. But I
Speaker 1: also see, oh well, e and p there goes my currency.
Speaker 1: You know, so things I think both is a good outlook.
Speaker 1: You know, use the system that you can while you
Speaker 1: can absolutely and tangible assets are never going anywhere.
Speaker 2: So I'm all.
Speaker 3: On the MP point. I know you don't want to
Speaker 3: have a debate on this, but just one point on that.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's do it. Roll my sleeves up.
Speaker 3: So the Bitcoin ledger is stored everywhere that there's a node,
Speaker 3: and there's ten ten thousand plus we don't even know
Speaker 3: how many there are across the world, so you would
Speaker 3: have to have a global emp to knock out everything.
Speaker 3: There's also satellites that have the Bitcoin ledger, so it's
Speaker 3: really not it's the most secure network.
Speaker 1: That's interesting because even if they went down the path
Speaker 1: of cyber COVID, which is knocking down the entire world's internet, electricity, everything,
Speaker 1: the whole grid, satellites are still used by the military.
Speaker 1: They're not going to let the military not be able
Speaker 1: to communicate. I've always said this, The satellite never would
Speaker 1: be the last thing to be attacked.
Speaker 2: Bitcoin's attached to that.
Speaker 3: Then, Yeah, there are satellites that broadcast a Bitcoin ledger
Speaker 3: and network, which means that even if every node on
Speaker 3: Earth went down, conceivably it would still exist. But also,
Speaker 3: an MP is probably not going to be the entire world.
Speaker 3: It's going to be a re area. And even if
Speaker 3: the Internet goes out for some time period, Bitcoin doesn't
Speaker 3: go away. It still exists. You were just waiting for
Speaker 3: the Internet to come back. I also don't think that
Speaker 3: they've built all this infrastructure to take us back to
Speaker 3: the eighteen hundreds. I think that they want a technocratic
Speaker 3: control where they want that, so it only makes a
Speaker 3: sense of my Viewtube have elements within that system that
Speaker 3: are decentralized and not subject to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you, actually, Jay, It's probably an
Speaker 1: area I need to learn more about. I've started to
Speaker 1: in recent times, particularly you know, privacy coins and things
Speaker 1: like that. People are functioning this way, and so I
Speaker 1: think it is important to have an alternative to things
Speaker 1: like cash or the fee out.
Speaker 2: System for sure. For sure.
Speaker 1: So people can learn more about everything.
Speaker 2: That Jay talks about.
Speaker 1: By visiting Jay'sanalysis dot com. You can see his bookstore
Speaker 1: in there as well. He has a fantastic writings and
Speaker 1: incredible content breaking down syops, whether it be Hollywood, whether
Speaker 1: it be whether it be current events. Probably one of
Speaker 1: the most best read people. I see you like a
Speaker 1: like a like one of the veterans of conspiracy in
Speaker 1: modern times.
Speaker 2: That's what I see you as, Jay, So.
Speaker 1: Just a wealth of knowledge, and you're also doing debates
Speaker 1: regularly on your YouTube and your ex so just tell
Speaker 1: people about that, because I think your debates are great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that just kind of happened accidentally. Back
Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen, somebody invited me to do a debate
Speaker 3: with a couple of atheists and libertarians, and that kind
Speaker 3: of snowballed into just a thing where I kind of
Speaker 3: regularly do debates. They get a lot they get a
Speaker 3: lot lot more traction than when I'm summarizing books. I
Speaker 3: would actually prefer to read and summarize books because I
Speaker 3: kind of get tired of doing I've been doing debates
Speaker 3: since college, so twenty plus years. It's okay, I don't
Speaker 3: mind it, but people really watching the debates, they always
Speaker 3: kind of end up for me being the same debates.
Speaker 3: But yeah, we do those regularly where we invite Muslims, Atheists,
Speaker 3: Roman Catholics, Protestants, Pagans, Gnostics, Mormons, you name it. It's
Speaker 3: a wild, wide variety in cast of characters. And so
Speaker 3: I do that pretty much every week. But we've also
Speaker 3: done formal debates with pretty, you know, big name atheists,
Speaker 3: and I've debated all the top Muslims except for one
Speaker 3: hit job.
Speaker 1: Because he won't right what he won't do it, he
Speaker 1: keeps he keeps making excuses for me.
Speaker 3: I'm not popular enough, which was his excuse. So I'm
Speaker 3: popular enough to respond to, but I'm not popular to debate.
Speaker 3: And by the way, he's debated people with much smaller
Speaker 3: audiences than me. So yeah, so we do that. That's fun.
Speaker 3: In my book wise, though, I just remember, like there's
Speaker 3: like probably sixty seventy pages of this one that deals
Speaker 3: with aliens. So I've been this came out in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 3: I'm writing the third book, by the way, that's circularly
Speaker 3: with three right now. I've got three hundred pages of
Speaker 3: that one. Done nothing about aliens in that one because
Speaker 3: in esetera, Hollywood one and two both of them actually
Speaker 3: cover aliens pretty extensively. So I'm kind of done writing
Speaker 3: about the alien topic, but you can get the first
Speaker 3: two books that kind of it talks a lot about
Speaker 3: what you and I talked about today. I'd go with
Speaker 3: Deep into HG. Wells The History of Mythos so the
Speaker 3: alien nonsense and cover it through the lens of movies amazing.
Speaker 1: You can also follow Jay at j Underscore d DO
Speaker 1: seven on X and that's where he does I think
Speaker 1: you do, and you invite people from your X space
Speaker 1: onto the YouTube debate. But visual is always better, so
Speaker 1: you can watch that on YouTube. Thank you so much today,
Speaker 1: Really really appreciate your time today. And ultimately, people just
Speaker 1: can protect themselves from deception by being close to God.
Speaker 1: And really, you and I both believe the only way
Speaker 1: to truly do that is to.
Speaker 2: Be within the original and true cho the Orthodox Church.
Speaker 1: So and by the way, I'm just just side notes.
Speaker 1: I've been reading so many prophecies of the saints relating
Speaker 1: to the times, relating to all of this stuff that
Speaker 1: we've spoken about today, and it is the most accurate
Speaker 1: that I've found in the Orthodox Church compared to anywhere
Speaker 1: else that I've seen. It seems to be quite sheltered
Speaker 1: from a lot of this deception. So it's got to
Speaker 1: say something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Orthodox Saints and Orthodox people who you
Speaker 3: know are faithful, you'll have discernment. You're not going to
Speaker 3: fall for the stuff that's out there. And the other
Speaker 3: groups you know, don't dislike them on a personal level.
Speaker 3: But I really don't think that Calvolcs and Protestants have discernment.
Speaker 3: I think that they've lost that and they're going to
Speaker 3: fall for or you're much more susceptible to falling for,
Speaker 3: you know, whatever deceptions are coming.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to agree with you, Jay Daya, Thank
Speaker 1: you so much, and I'm sure we'll speak again soon. Sure,
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