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Speaker 1: At the drone warfare, AI algorithms, the alien deception and

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how this all relates to the coming one world government.

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Speaker 2: Jay Daya, thank you so much for joining us today.

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We appreciate you being here.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Maria. I'm glad to be back with you.

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Speaker 1: It's been a hot minute since we've done a broadcast,

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and we've covered so many interesting things like the project

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Blue Beam Delusion. We've spoken about some writings of Father

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Seraphim Rose in the past, and the deception of the

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end times. And now it seems that the UFO alien

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deception is rearing its ugly head like we've never seen before,

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you know, specifically sparked on by these drones. So I

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am very very keen to hear from you about the

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history of this and why they're moving in this direction.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they seem to roll this out every few months

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when it's useful. I'm not sure exactly what the motives

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are behind the present situation, because there could be many

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things going on. They might be setting up a false

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flag situation where the drones are blamed on some other

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country and we're being invaded. I think they tested that

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with Iran at the beginning, or they might flip it

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over into oh, you know, supporters of Trump conservatives are

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going to engage in some kind of false flag event.

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It also could be a situation where they are ultimately

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just trying to reinvigorate the alien deception narrative, And it

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is something that we've talked about a lot, because this

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is a long term narrative and myth that they've been

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pushing and creating by design, according to some of their

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own white papers, like the nineteen sixties nineteen sixty Brooking

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Institute paper, which says that the discovery of alien life

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would upend all of the Western Biblical tradition because it

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would undermine the incarnation, and then they could really steer

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us into a new religion with some kind of so

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called alien life announcement. So all those things are on

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the table, all those things are relevant. Exactly what they're

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up to, I don't know, but everybody always jumps on aliens,

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which I think is just so ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm actually I was very grateful that Alen Musk

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called this out and he posted this meme. Everyone please

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stop creating fake narratives for ball government Iran. The Iranian mothership.

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I mean, it's really interesting people are seeing through all

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of this. But what I am concerned about, Jay, is

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that you know a lot of people in our.

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Speaker 2: Audience as well.

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Speaker 1: They'll say to me, oh, but you know alien the

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evidence for aliens or whatever the case may be, And

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my biblical worldview is that this is demonic activity. And

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so you mentioned something recently on an Info Wars broadcast

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that I thought was fantastic, which was the Mirage Men,

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And I'd love for you to talk people through how

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people were actually sioped into being proponents of the UFO conspiracy.

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Speaker 3: Only mothership I care about its p Funk's mothership. Do

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you know what I'm talking about?

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Speaker 2: I don't, but I always.

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Speaker 3: The most the most famous Funk in the world. Their

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theme is a mothership. Yeah. So I think the history

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of this is really what tells the story. When we

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go back to H. G. Wells, we go back to

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people who were the premier propagandists of their of their time.

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and he's one of the key figures in crafting the

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entire alien narrative. He wrote War the Worlds or the

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all time, been remade many, many times, most recently by Spielberg.

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myth that they've had the Western power structure that they've

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been pushing on purpose. You know, when we come up

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to the nineteen four I'll talk about Mirageman in a second,

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but I think you have to lay the groundwork with

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the long history deception in this domain and how flimsy

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all the so called alien proofs are and the claims

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around it. They're just laughable. You know. You have the

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Roswell event with this military guy holding up a piece

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of tinfoil and saying that it was an alien ship

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that crashed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just like a polar You have the story of

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the first abductees, Georgia Damski history is mimicked from a

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fam a science fiction novel at that time about being

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taken up and seeing large breasted Venusian women on a ship.

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that you have people at the CIA actually defending the

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head of the CIA al and dullest defendant and threatened

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to lot to take the court threaten lawsuits against anyone

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who would challenge Georgia Damski. So why would they be

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covering up and pushing something so ridiculous as this. The

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first alien cult people were also early abductees Betty and

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Barney Hill. They're immediately involved in weird occultic alien ritual groups.

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I mean, it's just it's just all really bizarre. There's

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no there's only substantial to ever suggest that there's extraterrestrial

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life or extra bio, extra threscial biological life EDES or whatever.

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there's a lot of unexplained things that could be chalked

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up to angelic phenomenon, demons, angels, whatever. But when we

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look at this whole genre, if you go back to

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the MJ twelve documents, you have a bunch of people

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that are involved in psychological operations who if you don't

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know those people, don't tell the truth. Psyops is how

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to lie and trick people, and there's always a close

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connection between the alien stuff and psyops. If you look

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at the Aviary, which is a group of a bunch

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of military contractors and former intelligence agents, one of whom

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I think is Richard dody They're also involved in black ops.

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is important because he's a key figure in the documentary

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that you mentioned called Miraje Men. I think everybody should

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watch that documentary because it's an interview with various people

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like Dodie and others who was working in Air Force counterintelligence,

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and his story is about how he would pick very

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people to disseminate disinformation to and he taught document is

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not just about him. It also goes in a bunch

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of other people too, But it's the stories of people

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who are chosen to be disseminators of disinformation. Particularly they're

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taken to military bases, they're given all these weird, fake

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stories and they're told, all you're special. We want you

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to go out and tell everybody about the secret deal

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that the government's made with the Pleaateans or whatever, and

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it's all just made up. They even talk about the

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Hollywood people that they bring into film and craft the

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stories and narratives, and I think that's another indicator that

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this is all just wrapped up in deception, and why

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would we believe the government on any of this stuff,

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you know what I mean, Like it's the government is

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now pushing the narrative that we reverse engineered crashed craft.

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alien beings. You know, they're pushing this. They had the

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hearings in Congress last year or whatever. It's just really

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absurd if you if you look into it.

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Speaker 1: In every character, who was it that came out from

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that jay and they said that they went to some briefing.

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I can't remember the men's name, but he said Americans

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should be terrified.

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Speaker 3: There's a couple of figures that are pushing this. I

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mean there's Auvi Loeb who says that there's motherships off

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the Jewish guy, Auvy Loob, and then there's Louise Loasondo

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is another one of these figures who's been to the

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briefings and he's yeah, so what's funny is that the

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people that you see now, the Tom DeLong from b

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linkeln ighty two is pushing the alien stuff. These people interesting.

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They fit the profile of exactly what Dodie talks about

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in the documentary where he says, we find these narcissistic

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people who think that they're chosen to deliver this message,

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and we use them to spit out whatever nonsense we

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feed them, and they leave it. So I think, you know,

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he's a perfect example of that. And he just says, well,

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I talked to the generals and they told me it's real.

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There's real alien. It's like as if a general doesn't lie,

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I mean, what are you talking about. Military people are

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trained to lie. CIA is trained to lie. That's what

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they do. So yeah, I mean, I'm sorry, I'm rambling,

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but I just think if you anywhere you really poke

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holes in this whole story, that you just end up

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at CIA Black Ops. And that doesn't exclude, like you

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you know, a public private joining at the hips, so

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all these things overlap. This is the military dustra complex

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that we were warned about that's ruling us and running

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Speaker 1: Basically, Well, I want to talk about that briefly. So

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this just came out that the government is I said,

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the government is letting Black Rock and Co fly.

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Speaker 2: Drones in Brooklyn in the midst.

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Speaker 1: Of a drone crisis, although I did correct it and

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say it may not necessarily be in the midst of

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a drone crisis.

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Speaker 2: The official story.

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Speaker 1: Is that the company that's affiliated with Black Rock had

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a party a little while ago and this drone was

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left over, which is super convenient. But nonetheless they're saying, well,

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the biggest thing that's coming out of this is that

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we need to outlaw civilian owned drones or put restrictions

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on that. In the meantime, you have Pallanteer at the

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Army versus Navy game, you know, airing there ad about

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the mothership and drones coming out and how we win

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before it's even started, almost rubbing it in the faces

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of Americans for goodness sake. So we're gonna we are

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winning the drone war. We're winning this syop. You don't

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get to own drones to counter the potential ways in

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which this will be later on utilized to used against civilians.

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Speaker 2: It's really twisted.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think of a couple of fiction stories recently.

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Black Mirror had an episode where there were AI Autonomus

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drones that were basically targeting and assassinating various people. I'm

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think that eventually, you know, if you've watched a lot

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of the sci fi stuff, if you read my books,

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of television, a lot of novels are predicted programming, so

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they're kind of preparing us for what they plan to do.

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I don't think it's obviously as a sensational as what

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the films do contain the propaganda that they want people

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will happened, but I mean if AI does advance to

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a degree beyond what we presently know or think, then

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that might be possible that, you know, you could have

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these targeted assassinations. You could have patriots, you could have conservatives,

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Christians being targeted.

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Speaker 1: By a true.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's another I remember one of the more

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recent X Files episodes, they had the idea of AI

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autonomous drones targeting people as well. That was also I

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I mean, the government plays a key role in it,

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mega corporations or shareholding entities, they're the ones that really

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run things, and they, I would say, will have a

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huge say so in the acceptance of AI and a

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lot of corporations, and I think that, I mean, it's

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that when you combine it with drones, when you combine

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it with sky Neet, there's a potentiality for the technocratic

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control grid being rolled out that they want to create.

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that obviously, But I mean there's a connection to between

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AI and aliens. I mean, a lot of alien stories

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are joined at the hip with AI. The idea that

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maybe the aliens are advanced, you know, artificial intelligence from

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another planet, or they're here to give us the AI

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or and that that actually makes sense because I think

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they want us to think that we if we submit

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to the technocratic system, that we will participate in this

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great evolutionary leave will become you know, transhuman deities or whatever.

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you know, intities like black Rock or DARP or whatever,

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they're all really just joined at the hip. They work together.

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fascism is. I mean a lot of people on Twitter

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talk about fascism, but it's not really the thing that

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they're calling out Antifa. That's not real fascism. What's fascism

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is the actual deep state that runs us and has

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a lot of this you know, advanced technicology that they

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want to roll out as a tech control. That's what's

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probably about. So when you say they want to ban

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it for their average citizen or anybody else, that's exactly right,

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because they want to have total control, as the Pentagon

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said some years back, full spectrum dominance over every area

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of life, which just happens to be exactly what Davos

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Speaker 2: Says, yeah, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 1: And that's exactly what came out of the joint statement

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from the DHS, FBI, FAA, and DoD which basically said, oh,

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there's nothing to see. First it was no, it's not happening.

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see here. It's a combination of civilian drones and other things.

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urge Congress to enact counter uas legislation when it reconvenes

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that would extend and expand existing counter drone authorities to

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identify and mitigate any threat that may emerge. And of

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course this includes the limited use of civilian drones. And

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so when you consider the future of drone warfare, and

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as well, where the future battlefield is drones like this is,

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and consider that they know far ahead of what we know.

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the Middle East, for example. This is kind of the

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future that these technocrats would have for us. You say

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it may not get that bad, But what's to say

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it couldn't. What's to say that you wouldn't train an

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AI to say anyone that admits too much CO two

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is a threat to the planet thus needs to be eliminated.

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talking about a murderous class of people here. I wanted

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to get your take on something, Jay, because you met

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you you recently mentioned that really at the heart of

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so much of this alien deception really is the move

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towards the world order. Like they've always said that this

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is kind of going to be what dismantles Christianity and

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all this sort of stuff. I've brought this up so

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many times, but I'm going to keep doing it because

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this is absolutely shocking. The un seventy five an unexpected

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message from the future. So this is Vinton's surf, who

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they call the Evangelist of the Internet, saying I was

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mucking around with some frequencies and then this being contacted

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me from the year twenty forty five and said, look,

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twenty twenty is the year that we found out that

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we needed to go really, really hard with climate change and.

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Speaker 2: Tackle global warming.

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Speaker 1: Global warming to make it to the year twenty forty five,

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and that's what they say, the past twenty five years

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have been critical to our survival as a society and

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a species.

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Speaker 2: So first of all, the UN is.

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Speaker 1: Communicating with some unknown entity, demon thing that's saying you

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need to enslave the planet to get us to the

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year twenty forty five, and that's published on their website.

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So what a psychopathic organization. But secondly, again this is

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this common pattern of talking to these entities, and we

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see that with so many We see that with Crowley

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Bailey always communicating with some entities.

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Speaker 2: Talk to us about that aspect.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean early on, when the UN was me

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in its sort of formative stages, you had the people

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behind it were big supporters of Madame Lebatski, the first

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famous theosophist. So the UN's birth really comes out of

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the ideology of people like Rothschild, Rhodes Milner, and they

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did promote and think that the theosophical religion of Madame

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Levatski might be a potential future world religion. They've batted

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around some other possibilities too, like the cult named the

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Christian Science. None of those actually panned out, but what

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they got was a kind of joining at the hit

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when the UN is eventually created with some kind of

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loose New agey sort of religion. You mentioned Bailey. Her

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works are still promoted and printed by UN affiliate groups.

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all the three Witches of the early phases of the

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United Nations. They've always been claiming to talk to these entities.

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Whether that's true or not. I think in Bolbatski's case,

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she had people from the British government investigate her and

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they thought she was a fraud. So she was writing

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her own letters from the ascended Masters, which just happened

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to back up everything that she taught and what she

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wanted to be the case. So in Bailey's case, she

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wrote a ten point plan to take over the West

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and Detroit Christianity. I did a podcast on that about

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a year ago. So we know what the goal of

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those people is, and it is to create a new

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world religion. And you mentioned this more recent person here

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with channeling. I didn't know about this one, but the

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UN has this long I mean They basically always been

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doing this. If you go back to the nineteen eighties,

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they had a guy David who was their channeler, and

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he was talking about the great world Teacher that was coming.

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I have his book over here. He talks about the

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cosmic Christ, and it's always some channeled, weird, supposed off

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world entity, which like you are, I think hinting at,

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kind of matches up to aliens, right, I mean the psychonauts,

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all those guys too, whether it's Tim of the Tim Leary,

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Terrence McKenna. When they talk about the entities that they encounter,

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John z Lili too, Uh, they say that, you know

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it's they're they're in another dimension and they're giving me

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true they're giving me information and creativity and ideas, And

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that I do think is real because I think I've

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had my own experiences on LSD and I've seen what

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you interact with very close to what people who do

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DMT say when they talk to the clockwork elves and

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the d MT entities say, you know, create a one

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roll government, kill all the people, you know, de arm yourselves,

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and we'll you know, will help you save the world

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because there's a coming crisis. So the purpose of this

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is the same with when Reagan said at the United

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Nations that an off world threat from alien entities could

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unite the world in a world government. And I keep

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going back to science fiction and movies on purpose because

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most people are getting their narrati their worldview from movies

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and TV and music and so forth. So when you've

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watched since you were a little kid, one hundred alien

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movies and TV shows, you're already just primed with the

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alien presubpositions and narrative. And so this this narrative has

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been there since et I grew up in the eighties,

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So you know, I'm supposed to love the aliens when

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they come. Again, I don't think there's aliens, but I

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think it is ultimately a demonic deception. Even people from

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the establishment who are not Christians, people like doctor Jacques

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Vallee have written you know, famous books about how he

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even he realized that this is some kind of big deception,

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and he even says it's not off world, it's something

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to do with entities. Here again, the psychonauts, the things

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that they channel and talk to, same thing that people

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that do DMT. It's always the same message of have

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a world government create a new religion, there's a crisis coming,

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the planet has to be depopulated. It's always the same stuff,

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and it just happens to be the very message that

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the United Nations has founded on.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really fascinating. And I know people that have

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had these experiences with certain drugs like DMT who say

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that they say that they met some goddess like figure

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who gave them that type of message.

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Speaker 2: It's always the same.

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Speaker 1: You reference the Ronald Reagan quote, perhaps we need some

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outside universal threat to make us recognize.

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Speaker 2: This common bond.

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Speaker 1: I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world.

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Speaker 3: Have you ever watched the movie Day the Earth Stood Still?

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I think so there's a remake with Keano. It's not

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very good, but the original movie I don't mean, I

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don't think the original one is that good. But that

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was one of the earliest narrative propaganda movies about extraterrestrial

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beings coming here and giving us a message to like

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save the world. And if you watch the movie, the

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entity that comes down from space who's the good guy

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is a carpenter. So he's a kind of a christ figure,

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and he warns the world about this other alien race

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that's coming to destroy everybody. I think his name is

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Klatu or something, and those beings when they get here,

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they say, if you don't disarm yourselves, so gun control,

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no nukes, and all this kind of stuff, and if

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you don't create a world government run by scientists, then

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you will be destroyed. So the idea of one of

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the first big alien movies that was creating I think

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it was twentieth Century Fox. And by the way, the

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guy who was running that production company was involved in

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that film, Zanuk. I think he was working with the

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OSS and government intelligence. So you've got people from the

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OSS CIA working on movies from the very beginning about aliens. C. D. Jackson,

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who was involved in the CIA's doctrinal warfare program to

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co opt the churches to be used as instruments of

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the CIA in the Cold War. He was also working

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and helping to craft movies for twenty sidree Fox at

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this time relating to aliens. So you've got the guy

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who wants to control the narratives that people in the

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religious world believe in Hollywood trying to help craft alien

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movie narratives which is new religion we're supposed to believe

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and just think about panspermia. This is the view that

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a lot of actually famous scientists, Newton and others. Watson Creek,

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I think one of the two of those, believed in panspermia.

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This is the idea that we were seated here by

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alien life and we're kind of a genetic experiment by

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some awfworld entity. They're coming back to check on us,

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and they need to tend us, and they have to

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breed us, and they have to depopulate us like we're

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you know, deer or something like that. I mean, that

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narrative is going to be. It fits into technocracy, it

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fits into transhumanism. It's if it's into Darwinism, and that's

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what I think will be a big deception in the

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Speaker 1: I agree with you, and I want to ask. So

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we've already had some religious leaders, you know, adding to this.

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Pope friends is famously talking about the need to potentially

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baptize aliens. Just my goodness, I can never get over that.

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Just the complete heresy of a statement like that, it's

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just crazy. But the contribution of I just did an

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interview recently JA where we spoke about. I spoke with

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Alex Newman and we spoke about the UN's recent climate

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conference in Azerbaijan and a lot of their inter faith

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things where they're talking about, you know, even previously the

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New Ten Commandments for a Better Earth and all of

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this sort of stuff where all these religious leaders are

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joining in and saying, Yah, let's go hard with a

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humanism so that we.

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Speaker 2: Can create world peace.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's crazy, but all of this is actually

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related to all of that. So I want to ask

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you what is the problem with the human condition where

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they look to some sort of external savior but they

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won't look to the actual savior, Jesus Christ.

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Speaker 2: What is it that draws them?

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Speaker 1: Because it really does say something about the human condition

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that those who believe that aliens are coming to save

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us are actually still looking for a savior, right, Yeah, that's.

476
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:46,279
Speaker 3: An interesting point. Yeah. It seems like there's a natural,

477
00:27:46,319 --> 00:27:50,279
innate desire that humans have for God. Obviously we're made

478
00:27:50,319 --> 00:27:53,599
for God, so we're going to have that inclination. But

479
00:27:53,799 --> 00:27:57,839
because we're falling, we seek to fill that with all

480
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,319
these other things. The reason that we look to other

481
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,599
things is that we want to continue the way we are.

482
00:28:04,599 --> 00:28:06,319
We don't want to have to change anything. We don't

483
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,000
want to have to say, oh, I was wrong, I

484
00:28:08,079 --> 00:28:11,920
made a mistake. This this has got to change, you know.

485
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,440
In the New Testament it talks about Paul says to

486
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,279
Timothy that in the future people will listen to false

487
00:28:18,319 --> 00:28:22,720
teachers who will tell them what their itching ears want

488
00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:25,920
to hear. So the message in the narrative of the

489
00:28:26,039 --> 00:28:30,279
u n and the coming fake world religion and all

490
00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:32,559
this kind of stuff, it's in the New Age itself.

491
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,759
It's always like you are God, you're your own ruler,

492
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,920
you're your own creator. You give everything meaning, which is

493
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,000
the very thing that Satan tempted Adam and Eve with.

494
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,400
You know, did God really say that you will be

495
00:28:45,559 --> 00:28:47,519
like God? And that's why he doesn't want you to,

496
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,160
you know, have fun or whatever. It's the same message

497
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,400
as Satan in the Garden. Ironically, you would think that

498
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,440
we would be able to figure it out, but I

499
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,759
think humans humans want to you know, that they're always

500
00:28:57,759 --> 00:29:01,200
going to choose the power where they think that they're

501
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:06,799
getting a shortcut, they think they're getting they're basically humans

502
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:11,440
are basically self worshippers. They worship themselves and you have

503
00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:14,799
to be broken from that, you know, usually through some

504
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,279
kind of event or something where God humbles you and

505
00:29:17,319 --> 00:29:20,000
then you repent and you realize, oh, I'm not actually God,

506
00:29:20,039 --> 00:29:21,680
I'm not the son of the universe, I'm not my

507
00:29:21,759 --> 00:29:25,640
own meaning maker. Meaning has to be found outside of myself.

508
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,599
And so that's that's where we have to come to,

509
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,960
I think, before we start to believe. But people like

510
00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:34,759
at the un or Davos and Clouds and these people

511
00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:38,720
like they are unknowingly probably maybe some of them knowingly

512
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,960
subservient to fallen spiritual powers, so they actually work for

513
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,759
the entity who is the real alien entity that fell

514
00:29:47,799 --> 00:29:49,759
from heaven a long time ago. I mean, the closest

515
00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:52,640
thing I think to like the alien stories, Actually, Lucifer

516
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,240
fell from heaven like lightning, right, that's kind of an

517
00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:58,759
alien story. You could say, yeah.

518
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: I'm so fast this ja because you're saying and you're right,

519
00:30:02,599 --> 00:30:04,599
you know, we've got to reach this point of humility

520
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,519
and we don't want to change, and all of that

521
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:07,319
is true.

522
00:30:07,359 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 2: That's the human condition.

523
00:30:08,519 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 1: It certainly was mine at one point where I just

524
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,480
knew I needed to repent and didn't want to.

525
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:18,279
Speaker 2: You know, it's happened to all of us. But imagine being.

526
00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: A person, and this is because so many people are

527
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,000
captivated by the UFO stuff, right, Imagine being a person

528
00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:28,319
that rejects the biblical worldview because they don't want to change,

529
00:30:28,359 --> 00:30:30,680
but they're willing to accept someone telling them, yeah, we've

530
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,400
got to depopulate, We've got to cut off our energy

531
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:38,279
used to save the trees. That I can't I can't

532
00:30:38,359 --> 00:30:41,400
really understand how you can be in such a deep

533
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,799
deception like that. I mean, how do people get to

534
00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:48,839
that point? Is just purely propaganda. Plus the sinful condition

535
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:50,319
is that all it takes.

536
00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:56,039
Speaker 3: Well also our own choices. I mean, humans are accountable.

537
00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:01,039
So you know, if you've been raised from infancy and

538
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,880
childhood with aliens and alien movies and all the propaganda

539
00:31:06,079 --> 00:31:10,559
and all the Darwinism taught in the education system, and

540
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,279
you know, you're just a monkey and all this, I mean, yeah,

541
00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:16,079
I think we're all and humans are also kind of

542
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,400
pack herd creatures, and so that, you know, they want

543
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,960
to go along with what they think everyone else believes

544
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,839
because they don't want to be seen as outsiders. They

545
00:31:24,839 --> 00:31:27,519
want to feel like they're part of the group. That's

546
00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:29,960
a natural sort of survival instinct that I think we have,

547
00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:33,079
which can be a good thing, but it can also

548
00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:36,240
be a bad thing because if if everyone is in

549
00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:39,319
the majority wrong, then wanting to be in with the

550
00:31:39,319 --> 00:31:42,079
group or believe what everyone else believes, or you just

551
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:44,160
go along to get along is not a good thing.

552
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,960
It's a bad thing. So all those things are part

553
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:50,599
of it too. And I think people tend to defer.

554
00:31:50,799 --> 00:31:53,079
Most people defer to authorities, and so when they see

555
00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:56,599
the authority structure, whether it's the UN or the government

556
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,839
or whatever, when they see them touting and pushing thing,

557
00:32:00,119 --> 00:32:02,519
so they don't want to go against it. They don't

558
00:32:02,519 --> 00:32:04,400
want to go against the grain. It's just an easy again,

559
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,000
it's a lot of its easier path that the humans choose.

560
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:09,680
They think that they're going to get a shortcut. Humans

561
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,920
love shortcuts. I mean, I've noticed so many people now,

562
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,400
for example, everyone asks chat GPT this or that, or

563
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,359
GROCK this and that, and they don't read books anymore.

564
00:32:20,359 --> 00:32:22,599
They don't they think that they're getting and I mean

565
00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:24,720
I'm not saying that they can't be helpful, which I

566
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:27,000
use it every now and then, but you can't replace

567
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:34,079
reading these books with chat GPT summarizing something. It's in

568
00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:37,160
other words, it's a lot of laziness going on. So

569
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,240
it's all those things. I guess all the vices contribute

570
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,640
to why that's such a good point.

571
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: And I noticed in recent times when you Google something

572
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,880
you get an AI summary, and so it's it's all

573
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:54,519
moving in that direction. We have an Internet, a mixed

574
00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:59,200
reality experience already where life is being run by algorithms,

575
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,119
our perceptions being run by algorithms. And this is exactly,

576
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,559
by the way, what the World Economic Forum recently published

577
00:33:04,599 --> 00:33:06,359
in a white paper where they said, oh, we need

578
00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:08,359
to create a one world government and make sure everyone's

579
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,759
got their digital idea and biometrics and everything linked up

580
00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:14,519
for the coming world order. Okay, that's only what we've

581
00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:19,480
been warning about for several years. But I think a

582
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,480
lot of people see through that. And then when you know,

583
00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:24,839
they may be secular people that see through that stuff,

584
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:29,000
but they don't really understand the role of the interfaith movement.

585
00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:32,359
So here's Pope Francis per the Atlantic and you can

586
00:33:32,359 --> 00:33:35,480
find this everywhere says he would definitely baptize aliens if

587
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,960
they asked him to. And then I really want to

588
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:41,519
show people the ten point plan of Alice Bailey, which

589
00:33:41,599 --> 00:33:45,160
you brought up. So take God and prayer out of

590
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,000
the education system, reduce parental authority over the children, destroy

591
00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:53,519
the Judeo Christian family structure, the traditional Christian family structure.

592
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:54,799
Speaker 2: If sex is.

593
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,599
Speaker 1: Free, then make abortion legal, make it easy, make divorce

594
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,720
easy and legal. Free people from the concept of marriage

595
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,720
for life. Make homosexuality and alternative lifestyle debase art, make

596
00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:09,000
it run mad. Use media to promote and change mindsets.

597
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,920
Create an interfaith movement. We're already seeing that now. It's

598
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,519
such a big part of this. And get governments to

599
00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:18,199
make all these law and get the church to endorse

600
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:18,880
these changes.

601
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:20,639
Speaker 2: I mean we're pretty much at point ten.

602
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, the interfaith movement has always been since the late

603
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:33,280
eighteen nineties an establishment, elite, oligarchical promoted thing to control religion. So,

604
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,440
you know, the state, going all the way back to

605
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,639
the ancient world, wanted to control the church. You had

606
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:44,840
different emperors who wanted to promote heresies like arianism and iconoclasm.

607
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:48,360
And although the emperors didn't succeed at times, they did

608
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,400
get quite a few people on their side. They did

609
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,360
get the upper hand. But eventually, you know, the church

610
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,239
continues on the emperors die, the empires go away, and

611
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,800
the church continues. But that doesn't change. We're going to

612
00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:02,119
a world. It's not like, oh, that's something back then.

613
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,199
The state has always tried to control the church in

614
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,400
various ways. And I don't just mean the state. I

615
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,679
also mean the elite families that run the state, that

616
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,079
own it and own the Federal Reserve, and own all

617
00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:15,719
the corporations and so forth, and so yeah. I mean

618
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:21,599
religion is a very powerful, potent thing in people's lives.

619
00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:25,280
It's how they gather their meaning. It influences their actions.

620
00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:29,920
It's a huge force for social action. And if you're

621
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:32,000
the state, or if you're the corporate state, if you're

622
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,800
the deep state, whatever, like, obviously you want to steer

623
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,880
that because that allows you to influence and nudge and

624
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:42,920
socially engineering massive groups of people. I mentioned earlier CD Jackson,

625
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,320
who was involved in the production of certain alien movies.

626
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,559
He was the CIA's point man for what's called the

627
00:35:48,639 --> 00:35:52,960
doctrinal Warfare program. That wasn't I mean it related to acumenism.

628
00:35:53,039 --> 00:35:56,079
It wasn't directly about acumenism. That was just the CIA saying,

629
00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:58,960
how can we marshal all of these churches in the

630
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,119
Cold War to promote out Americanism overseas and in the world.

631
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,119
And you might think, well, but we had to defeat

632
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:08,400
the Soviets, and well that's true. Like you know, if

633
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,239
you believe in the dialectors of the Cold War, you're

634
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,920
now basically signing the church over to Oh, I'm just

635
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,079
going to listen to what the CIA tells me to do. Right,

636
00:36:17,079 --> 00:36:19,840
So when the CIA says now it's time for your

637
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,119
churches to start flying, you know, skittles, flags and doing

638
00:36:24,199 --> 00:36:27,079
all the other stuff we say, you see the point, right,

639
00:36:27,119 --> 00:36:33,199
you're already submitted to deep state controllers in the church

640
00:36:34,039 --> 00:36:36,280
and they were very effective at that. And it's the

641
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,920
same with the interfaith movement, because the interfaith movement has

642
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,639
always been promoted by the CIA. It's the same elite families,

643
00:36:43,679 --> 00:36:45,800
the rock Fellers and others who really put the seed

644
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,400
money into the interfaith movement, the entire humanist movement by

645
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,679
the time of the World Council Churches, National Council Churches.

646
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,239
That's all fun for the Rockfellers directly. It's in their

647
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:58,719
biography right there. It's admitted bart of the Rockefeller's whole

648
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,920
chapter on them creating and funding the ecumenist movement. So

649
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,000
why why would they do that again? Because churches are

650
00:37:06,039 --> 00:37:08,519
what they call soft power. Soft power is a way

651
00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:13,679
to express non kinetic warfare power in other countries and

652
00:37:13,679 --> 00:37:16,000
other regions across the world. Hollywood is a form of

653
00:37:16,039 --> 00:37:20,880
soft power to push American values and Hollywood values to

654
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,800
the rest of the world as part of social engineering.

655
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:27,079
So the point is that humanism interfaith always been wrapped

656
00:37:27,159 --> 00:37:29,840
up in the oss and ca And if you read

657
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,639
the David Wimhop book, it's about a six seven hundred

658
00:37:32,639 --> 00:37:34,960
page book on that very topic where it's all admitted.

659
00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:36,119
Speaker 2: I want to.

660
00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:41,280
Speaker 1: Ask you how likely you think it is that, because okay,

661
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,199
so I look at this as a Christian and I go,

662
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,000
there's no way I would fall for this stuff, because

663
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,960
I've been warned in advance. Although maybe I'm thinking too

664
00:37:50,079 --> 00:37:53,039
highly of myself here that I can't be fooled as well.

665
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 2: And hopefully you know that's.

666
00:37:54,679 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: Not the case, and we should all pray that we're

667
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:58,559
not deceived.

668
00:37:58,599 --> 00:38:00,599
Speaker 3: But just listen to what I say. Won't before.

669
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 2: But I look at that and I go, there's no

670
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:06,400
way that people will buy this.

671
00:38:06,559 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: But they will, and many will and so I want

672
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,599
to ask you how likely you think it is that

673
00:38:12,639 --> 00:38:15,840
they would go in the path of an alien deception,

674
00:38:17,159 --> 00:38:19,000
maybe pre or even post war.

675
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 3: I think that they study and see where public opinion

676
00:38:26,039 --> 00:38:29,800
is on these things. You know, the people who formulated

677
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,320
public opinion, people like Walter Lippmann and all the people

678
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:36,639
from Tavsak Institute. They were studying public opinion and polling

679
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,760
as a way to socially engineer and steer the masses

680
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,760
back in the nineteen twenties because they realized that, well,

681
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,039
I just we just put out fake polls. Because people

682
00:38:47,079 --> 00:38:49,320
want to be part of the group, they'll go along

683
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,519
with whatever the majority says in the poll. That's how

684
00:38:51,639 --> 00:38:53,639
kind of naive people were back at that time, in

685
00:38:53,679 --> 00:38:56,800
the thirties, forties, fifties, and so they were putting out polls,

686
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,920
for example, saying that majority of Americans support the war,

687
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:04,440
you know, and then people wouldn't question the war because

688
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,280
they didn't want to be outsiders. They want to be

689
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:08,199
part of the group. So they realized very quickly that

690
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,119
just make up a fake poll that says the majority

691
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,280
believe this, and it works. That doesn't work as much anymore.

692
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,559
People don't really care about poles. You know, we've seen

693
00:39:16,119 --> 00:39:19,519
Trump era poles didn't even matter. They were all fake,

694
00:39:20,679 --> 00:39:24,519
selective and who they survey. So the reason I bring

695
00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:27,599
up polling though, is because it's the same type of

696
00:39:27,599 --> 00:39:31,480
deception that we're talking about here, where where people will

697
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:34,920
want to be a part of the group that want

698
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,320
to feel like they're not an outsider. And it's the

699
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,800
same with the alien threat, because they're only going to

700
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,880
roll that out if they feel like enough people will

701
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,800
fall for it or believe it. So I would imagine

702
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:50,840
probably part of the r and D, the research and

703
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,280
development that goes on when the drone sigh out, whatever's

704
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,159
going on with this, it's probably also being studied to

705
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,119
see how many people talk about and think that it's aliens, right,

706
00:40:02,519 --> 00:40:07,199
And I would guess this is just my opinion and

707
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:11,079
my guessing here that if the percentage of people that

708
00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:14,239
talk about believing aliens that they can graph from the Internet,

709
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,000
from AI or whatever, if that reaches a certain point,

710
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,599
then maybe then they would roll it out. I think

711
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:21,519
there's a lot of people that are still skeptical. You know,

712
00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:23,360
it's last year when they were doing all these UFO

713
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:26,079
hearings and stuff, like people didn't even care. It's kind

714
00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:28,239
of like blip on the radar.

715
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's different when you start to see weird

716
00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:32,119
stuff in the sky, right yeah.

717
00:40:32,199 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, yeah, like maybe they roll out weirder and

718
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,639
weirder blue beam type stuff, people will be more susceptible

719
00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:39,280
to believing it.

720
00:40:39,559 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 1: And you you mentioned something really crucial there, which is

721
00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:45,639
and this is where my concern comes in with AI

722
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,559
and algorithms and things, because okay, polling doesn't work anymore,

723
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,760
fake narratives through the fake media don't work anymore. But

724
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,679
what does work is algorithms. And when you have, for example,

725
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,960
what your screen is giving me the thumbs down?

726
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:03,280
Speaker 2: Did you see that bubble pop up? You didn't see it? Yeah,

727
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:10,119
we're not, We're not. It's quite all right, So.

728
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 3: I didn't do that. Who's who's thumbing me down? I

729
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,400
don't know down.

730
00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: Yes, But anyway, so what they have now in their

731
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,719
tool chest is AI. And you mentioned, you know, sort

732
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,559
of scraping of the internet, AI dissecting through the public

733
00:41:26,599 --> 00:41:30,400
response at faster speeds than a pole ever could, and

734
00:41:30,519 --> 00:41:34,000
algorithms to boost certain things that they want in the

735
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,960
public domain. You know, you'll see a particular story and

736
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,880
it's not it doesn't seem to be of that much importance,

737
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,320
but that's all you see, Why do the algorithms but

738
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,039
boost that specific thing. It's like the propaganda machine of

739
00:41:47,079 --> 00:41:49,320
the mainstream media doesn't work anymore, but it doesn't matter

740
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:50,719
because now they have algorithms.

741
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think Jack Dorsey, who I'm sure people are

742
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:57,960
critical of, had a whole talk recently where you talked

743
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,960
about we're all ruled by our rhythms now, and so

744
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,719
it's a question of what types of algorithms are being

745
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,599
put out is it Are they ones that respect and

746
00:42:07,639 --> 00:42:11,960
believe in liberty and the ability to assess the information

747
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,960
on your own, or are they just feeding us the

748
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,079
slop and the propaganda. Well, I'm sure it's going to

749
00:42:16,119 --> 00:42:19,840
be the slop and the propaganda. So we're probably already

750
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,400
under some degree of AI control that we don't know about.

751
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,280
In other words, probably what they're rolling out in the

752
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,639
public versions of the latest chat GPT these are probably

753
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:34,400
you know, older things. I remember a news story from

754
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:39,320
about twenty fourteen where they were saying back then that

755
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:43,760
AI was capable of doing basically what chad gip does,

756
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,840
what chat GPT does now. So if you know that

757
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,079
was ten years ago. It's probably a lot more advanced

758
00:42:51,079 --> 00:42:55,920
in terms of the secret corporate versions of it, whatever

759
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,800
those are, so we might actually already be under some

760
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:04,480
kind of large scale AI Internet control. I watched the

761
00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:07,320
video the other night about I don't believe that dead

762
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,079
Internet theory is totally true. It's a little over the top,

763
00:43:10,159 --> 00:43:13,679
but that's a theory that the Internet theory. This is

764
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,880
the idea that the Internet as we used to know

765
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:20,159
of it, like from you know, beginning until around twenty fourteen,

766
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:23,880
fifteen sixteen, that that internet's pretty much gone, and that

767
00:43:24,159 --> 00:43:28,000
perhaps they were they are intentionally destroying the existing Internet.

768
00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:29,360
It's a theory. I don't know if it's true, but

769
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,519
the idea is that they're flooding it with AI and bots,

770
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,039
and the reason for that is that the more they

771
00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:39,400
do that, the less useful, the less relevant it becomes,

772
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,119
and then they can roll out the new Internet, right

773
00:43:43,199 --> 00:43:46,119
which fixes all these problems where you don't have to

774
00:43:46,199 --> 00:43:49,800
have bots everywhere, but you've got to sign on with

775
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,199
an Internet ID and you have to be tracked and traced.

776
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,880
So that's an interesting theory that they might be trying

777
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:58,639
to kind of do away with or blow up the

778
00:43:58,679 --> 00:44:00,960
existing Internet to bring the new one, which is all

779
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,800
a centralized tract and controlled and will will require an ID.

780
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,039
That's very plausible. I don't know if that's the case,

781
00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:11,400
but I did see a video where someone was going

782
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:16,400
through the capabilities of bots now too, basically not just

783
00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:20,480
flood you know everybody's comments with bots and you know

784
00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:23,920
Twitter with bots, but actually that the same bots that

785
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,639
are flooding that are fake bots flooding comments. They're all

786
00:44:28,039 --> 00:44:31,800
they actually make like entire websites like like right away

787
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,280
to give the appearance that it's a real, you know,

788
00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,559
person and they really want to run a website. It's

789
00:44:36,599 --> 00:44:39,599
all just a I bots. So it's getting really sophisticated.

790
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,079
But it's like, I don't know what purpose it would

791
00:44:43,079 --> 00:44:45,079
served other than to just kind of destroy the Internet.

792
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:52,119
Speaker 1: Well, and probably to to advance the narrative of we

793
00:44:52,159 --> 00:44:57,119
need to combat miss in disinformation. You know, AIL all

794
00:44:57,199 --> 00:44:58,639
unreliable unless.

795
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,559
Speaker 2: We yeah, well, I mean the E he's a perfect

796
00:45:00,599 --> 00:45:01,760
example of this. We've got to.

797
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,679
Speaker 1: Regulate AI because of deep fakes, because of this, that

798
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,239
the other, but we.

799
00:45:06,119 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 2: Still retain control of the AI.

800
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: And that's very much what they published in their book

801
00:45:10,559 --> 00:45:13,519
remaking the world towards an age of global enlightenment. The

802
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:17,440
UN's AI World Society that describes this mixed reality.

803
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 2: Which the WF is saying, yeah, we've got to do

804
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:19,400
this now.

805
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 1: I think that there's already a version of this now, Jay,

806
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,719
that a lot of people are living online. They're already

807
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,920
living in the metaverse, which is actually the AI World Society,

808
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,639
but you know they're calling it the metaverse. There's already

809
00:45:35,679 --> 00:45:38,079
a version of this now, and so I think you're

810
00:45:38,159 --> 00:45:41,199
right in that there may already be a huge element

811
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,119
of algorithmic control in people's lives, in people's minds, in

812
00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:47,840
their belief systems. And that's really my concern for whatever

813
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,719
comes next. It doesn't matter what comes next, how much

814
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,239
of how much are people actually going to be able

815
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:54,719
to discern.

816
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 3: I'm not too black, cold or negative. I think there's

817
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,840
a lot of paus it is on the scene. A

818
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:05,400
lot of good things are happening, you know that. I

819
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,239
think they tried rolling out hotels and different characters and

820
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:11,400
they kind of hint they hinted at like a new

821
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,559
scam deemic, and that it just didn't People don't seem

822
00:46:14,599 --> 00:46:18,119
to be interested in going down that Road like nobody.

823
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:23,199
Everybody just ignored it. Nobody cares about another so called scandemic,

824
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,440
So I don't I don't know. We were talking about

825
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,559
this the other day, my wife and I. I don't

826
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:29,519
know what thing they're going to pull that will work.

827
00:46:29,639 --> 00:46:33,000
I mean maybe if they, you know, pull some giant

828
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,079
false flag that would work. But I mean people are

829
00:46:36,159 --> 00:46:39,079
kind of just not believing anything. Nobody cared about all

830
00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:40,920
the alien stuff last year that they were, and they

831
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,719
were pushing that hard with hearings and Congress and reverse

832
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:50,800
engineer technology. I'm just just I've never seen anything that

833
00:46:51,159 --> 00:46:55,920
heavily pushed that really didn't excite anyone. Yeah, now everybody's

834
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,519
interested in the drones, but it seems like the dominant

835
00:46:58,599 --> 00:47:00,920
narrative is still that it's drone, so it's not really

836
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,440
I mean, I see people talking about aliens. I just

837
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,960
don't know what they're going to be able to pull

838
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,760
that would actually work where people aren't going to just

839
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,199
immediately see through it.

840
00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's such a good point.

841
00:47:13,519 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: And the interest in the drones is more about who's

842
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:19,280
doing it and why not always being invaded. So it's

843
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:22,360
people are at this level where they're just distrusting every

844
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,800
official narrative that comes out, which is which is a

845
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:25,880
very very good sign.

846
00:47:26,679 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: I there was a.

847
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: Very important thing that I wanted to read to everyone,

848
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,920
which was a warning from Saint Gabriel that said, during

849
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,719
the times of Antichrist, the strongest temptation will be anticipation

850
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:44,559
of salvation from the cosmos from humanoids extraterrestrials that.

851
00:47:44,559 --> 00:47:46,119
Speaker 2: Are actually the demons.

852
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:49,159
Speaker 1: One should rarely look up at the sky, as the

853
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:53,400
signs might be deceptive, and thus one may be ruined.

854
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,559
The very very strong words there, one may be ruined

855
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,800
by these deceptive signs. And so I think that what

856
00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:01,880
people are going to buy it or not Jay, they

857
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:06,000
will run with things like this, you know, in cycles

858
00:48:06,199 --> 00:48:08,199
or in a big event, whatever the case may be,

859
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:12,800
they'll still try it because as they try these minisiops,

860
00:48:13,159 --> 00:48:15,480
then they get more and more sophisticated to figure out

861
00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:17,480
what level do we need to go to for people

862
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:21,880
to believe us. And I have a few people I've

863
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,239
seen comments in some of my comments that are like,

864
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:27,280
but yeah, but there are ancient civilizations and what about

865
00:48:27,639 --> 00:48:30,079
some people talk about, you know, what about mentions of

866
00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:32,760
things that are like UFOs in the Bible. How do

867
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,280
we reconcile that with the belief that this is all

868
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:36,360
just amnic activity.

869
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:37,599
Speaker 2: Can you spend a bit of time on that.

870
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 3: Well, I think in the Bible the references like in

871
00:48:43,039 --> 00:48:48,599
Ezekiel are not two aliens. They're specifically a rank of

872
00:48:48,639 --> 00:48:52,800
the angelic hierarchy known as cherubs. So Ezekiel is seeing

873
00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:58,239
a series of visions of angelic beings and he sees

874
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,480
one like the Son of Man that chariot. So that's

875
00:49:02,599 --> 00:49:08,000
that's Jesus, as identified in Revelations one and two, commenting

876
00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:11,519
on Ezekiel one through ten. So there's nothing in Ezekiel

877
00:49:11,519 --> 00:49:14,039
one through ten or Revelation one that in any way

878
00:49:14,159 --> 00:49:19,159
suggests extra biological entities, crafts, whatever. And a big part

879
00:49:19,199 --> 00:49:22,599
of the whole alien mythos is the idea that, oh, well,

880
00:49:22,599 --> 00:49:25,679
because the universe you see is four point five billion

881
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:30,159
years old, there has to have been all the opportunity

882
00:49:30,199 --> 00:49:32,559
for life to have evolved on all the other infinite

883
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:35,920
worlds out there. Well, that just assumes, you know, Big

884
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,559
Bang narrative and all that, which I don't believe makes

885
00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:42,679
any sense philosophically. So it's all based on these assumptions

886
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:46,480
that are unproven in terms of the age of the

887
00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:50,719
universe to where people get to the possibility of there

888
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:54,000
being alien life on other planets. It's also I think

889
00:49:54,039 --> 00:49:57,360
in the talmud by the way that there's one hundred

890
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,280
or eighteen thousand worlds out there or something like that. So,

891
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:03,039
I mean, we just don't even know that that's the case.

892
00:50:03,079 --> 00:50:05,880
It's all kind of based on ancient even ancient Hindu

893
00:50:06,159 --> 00:50:09,519
theology posits the infinite worlds of the gods and all

894
00:50:09,519 --> 00:50:11,760
this kind of stuff. So it's all really bound up

895
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,639
with the We get.

896
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 1: That in Marvel too, right, Marvel Is it Marvel that

897
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,920
I'm thinking of with the multi universe and things like that.

898
00:50:20,119 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, multiverse plays into this because Marvel pushes that, I think,

899
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:28,159
to give to people who don't believe in religion or God.

900
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,960
It's like a new kind of magic metaphysics to where

901
00:50:32,159 --> 00:50:34,920
anything can happen because we live in a multiverse and

902
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:39,320
you can pull, you know, powers from other dimensions. I mean,

903
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:44,920
the literal Marvel nonsense that you see was being sighted

904
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:46,880
the other day when they were talking about the chip

905
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,280
that Google's supposedly developed Willow, they were saying that they

906
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,639
were saying that it proves the multiverse because this chip

907
00:50:53,679 --> 00:50:56,760
can pull from other dimensions. I mean, it's it's just

908
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,119
that's just sci fi. Like people will literally believe I

909
00:51:00,199 --> 00:51:04,639
Fi stuff if it's a science entity that claims that

910
00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:07,280
that's what was going on. I don't believe any of that.

911
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,639
I just think that that and there's a long history

912
00:51:09,679 --> 00:51:13,239
of science being involved in fraud and making up stuff too. Anyway,

913
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,199
I forgot where we were going with this, but or

914
00:51:17,199 --> 00:51:18,719
what your question was. I'm in rambling.

915
00:51:20,679 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 2: It's quite all right, my I think I was talking.

916
00:51:23,639 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: About I quoted that one should rarely look up at

917
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:30,519
the skies. The signs might be deceptive, and thus one

918
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:34,280
may be ruined. And how some people still think that

919
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,079
this is you know, there is more like they quote

920
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:44,360
Bible references and they quote ancient civilizations and I don't

921
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:49,679
know Tataria, and you know, they blump it all up

922
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,800
into one basket and there, like, yeah, there's there's something

923
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,360
they're not telling us. Although you know, there we do

924
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:00,199
have the Nephelim referenced in the Bible, but that's it's

925
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:01,320
not what this is.

926
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 2: This is different.

927
00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean I don't see how Nephelin have

928
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:08,280
anything to do with aliens. I mean there's actually an

929
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,119
evangelical guy that wrote a good book many many years ago.

930
00:52:11,119 --> 00:52:12,559
I think I still have it up there on my shelf.

931
00:52:12,599 --> 00:52:16,800
It's called Alien Deception, and he kind of went into

932
00:52:17,159 --> 00:52:20,119
the whole history of you know, the alien stuff, and

933
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,119
I think some of his lectures are on YouTube. Those

934
00:52:22,119 --> 00:52:23,920
are pretty good if people are looking for like a

935
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:28,199
biblical breakdown. Obviously, father so from Rose's book, you know,

936
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:31,559
orthodotically Religion in the Future as a classic, and trying

937
00:52:31,559 --> 00:52:34,880
to think of the different critiques of this idea from

938
00:52:35,079 --> 00:52:37,920
a biblical perspective that I've looked at over the years,

939
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:39,559
I just think it doesn't make any and there's not

940
00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:42,559
really anything in divine revelation at all. It talks about

941
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:47,880
extra biological entities. It's bound up with the evolutionary mythos

942
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,360
and four point five billion years to give the other

943
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:55,159
planets enough time to produce life magically or accidentally. It's

944
00:52:55,159 --> 00:52:58,719
just kind of absurd. And when you look at this

945
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,880
is I always tell people I can't find anybody, by

946
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,480
the way, whoever debate me on this. I do a

947
00:53:02,519 --> 00:53:04,719
lot of debates, as you know. One of the big

948
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,920
alien proponents the other day was calling me out after

949
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,760
my Alex Jones show, and I said, hey, let's do

950
00:53:10,800 --> 00:53:13,719
a debate, because I've never heard anybody who believes in

951
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,440
aliens actually give me a good argument or proof or

952
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:20,760
evidence of an alien. There's a blurry video. Okay, well,

953
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,400
how does this blurry video tell me that it's an

954
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,559
extra biological entity? Maybe it's maybe it's an interdimensional spiritual

955
00:53:26,599 --> 00:53:29,800
being from Earth, you know what I mean. And there's

956
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:33,760
never any alien bodies. It's like, this is X files

957
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,800
level stuff they were showing on X files in the nineties,

958
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,960
like the Alien autopsy. Fox played the alien autopsy in

959
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,920
the nineteen nineties and it was obviously a joke. They

960
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,280
even said it was a joke. So it's like, where's

961
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:50,079
the bodies, where's anything that proves extra biological entities? And

962
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:52,280
if it's not an ebe, then there's no basis to

963
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:56,159
believe that we're being visited by other planets unless you

964
00:53:56,239 --> 00:54:00,320
believe that demons are you know, fallen spiritual entity. Well,

965
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,559
that's a demon, that's not an alien.

966
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 1: Right, Father Seraphim Rose in that book that the orthodoxy

967
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,280
in the religion of the Future. And if anyone hasn't

968
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,000
seen my interview with Jay on this we did a

969
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:13,400
book review of that text. It's fantastic book, and I think,

970
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,719
you know, it's a timeless, timeless book.

971
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 2: I encourage everyone to buy it. It's not that expensive

972
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:18,679
at all.

973
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: I think you can pick it up for twenty bucks

974
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,440
on Amazon, or if you visit some of the Orthodox

975
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,920
bookshops they have at for the same price. I'd rather

976
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:29,840
people support them than Amazon. But nonetheless, it's a fantastic book.

977
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,480
And Father Seraphim raises a very good point, which is

978
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:34,920
that we can't completely discount all these people that are

979
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:38,000
claiming they're having these alien encounters, especially sort of in

980
00:54:38,039 --> 00:54:40,960
the eighties, like what we have to actually look at

981
00:54:41,039 --> 00:54:43,960
what's happening with these people. Of course, the Christian view

982
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,559
is this is attributed to demonic visitations. Some of it

983
00:54:47,679 --> 00:54:49,920
is on drugs, some of it isn't Jay and so

984
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,519
it could very well be the powers that be working

985
00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:56,599
with demonic entities, which is the view of anyone who

986
00:54:56,679 --> 00:54:58,039
really studies the New Old Order.

987
00:54:58,599 --> 00:55:00,159
Speaker 2: They're working with demonic entity.

988
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 1: To receive their plan for how they're going to subjugate

989
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,119
the earth in preparation for Antichrist. That's really what this

990
00:55:05,199 --> 00:55:07,639
whole thing is. And so if you're interacting with these beings,

991
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:08,800
that's who they are.

992
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a there was a situation I remember

993
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,639
a few years back where I interviewed, Actually, you should

994
00:55:19,679 --> 00:55:22,239
interview these guys. Do you know the Collins brothers. Are

995
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:23,079
you familiar with them?

996
00:55:23,199 --> 00:55:23,639
Speaker 2: I don't.

997
00:55:24,679 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 3: Paul and Philip Collins wrote a really big book. It's

998
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,960
called Invoking the Beyond. I'll send you a couple of

999
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:32,559
their interviews that I've had them on many times. I've

1000
00:55:32,559 --> 00:55:35,079
known them for many years. They wrote a really good,

1001
00:55:35,159 --> 00:55:38,000
really big thick book that if you're looking just for

1002
00:55:38,039 --> 00:55:40,639
the alien section, it's about the middle three hundred pages

1003
00:55:40,679 --> 00:55:43,880
of their big thick book where they do the best

1004
00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:46,639
coverage of the alien stuff that I've ever seen from

1005
00:55:46,639 --> 00:55:50,000
a like a journalistic perspective. And they go into a

1006
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,079
lot of the geopolitics too, and I think they would

1007
00:55:52,079 --> 00:55:54,559
admit that there's a demonic element too. They don't focus

1008
00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:57,400
on the demonic element, but they do focus on the

1009
00:55:57,440 --> 00:56:02,000
propaganda control system element of the whole alien mythos. And

1010
00:56:02,679 --> 00:56:04,440
we had a really good interview on this topic, and

1011
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,760
you know, they were talking about how it's almost always

1012
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:14,599
been connected to associated with people who were themselves deviants, again,

1013
00:56:14,679 --> 00:56:20,119
a lot of the abductees were describing scenarios that involve

1014
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:23,800
very bizarre sexual things, a lot of butt probing and

1015
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:26,320
this kind of stuff. Why has that always been at

1016
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,400
the root of the alien phenomenon. Well, this is my

1017
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:33,679
own speculation. I've always thought there's an interesting connection between

1018
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,440
what you read about in cases of satanic ritual abuse

1019
00:56:36,639 --> 00:56:41,440
SRA and the experiences and claims of people in the

1020
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:46,920
alien abduction phenomenon. They're very close to sexual abuse SRA.

1021
00:56:47,559 --> 00:56:50,119
The Collins Brothers cover that pretty extensively in their book.

1022
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,760
So I don't know in every case obviously what's going on,

1023
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,960
but there is there are these patterns that suggest probably

1024
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:04,880
both human and demonic psychological operations, abuse, etc. Also, I

1025
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:06,840
think if you look at the history of MK ultra,

1026
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,960
this is an untapped area you could look at, and

1027
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:11,599
I think the Collins Brothers touch on this some in

1028
00:57:11,639 --> 00:57:14,199
their book, but not many people have made a connection

1029
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:18,519
between the UFO abduction phenomena and MK ultra. But if

1030
00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:21,760
you look at the possibility of dosing people with LSD,

1031
00:57:22,639 --> 00:57:25,280
the kind of entities that people experience and see on

1032
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,960
powerful who's hallucinogens, the kind of you know, bright lights

1033
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,800
out of body experiences that people have on LSD, they

1034
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:39,079
also match up with what happens in abduction scenarios, supposedly,

1035
00:57:39,639 --> 00:57:44,159
So I could see a scenario where perhaps the military,

1036
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:49,920
perhaps the deep state, is experimenting on unwitting people. And

1037
00:57:50,159 --> 00:57:54,199
you know, if you're some backwoods farmer and somebody doses

1038
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,880
you with LSD in the nineteen sixties, you've never heard

1039
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:00,480
of LSD. You don't know what it is. And LSD

1040
00:58:00,599 --> 00:58:02,119
I would know, I mean, I know what it's like

1041
00:58:02,119 --> 00:58:04,559
like you you would think you were talking to aliens

1042
00:58:04,559 --> 00:58:07,039
and seeing heavenly visions, right, you know what I mean?

1043
00:58:07,679 --> 00:58:11,519
And so I could easily see a scenario where abductees,

1044
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,920
you know, were given drugs and they thought that they

1045
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,559
were seeing entities. In fact, there was a famous case

1046
00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:19,480
that Tristan and I covered on a livestream a few

1047
00:58:19,519 --> 00:58:23,199
years ago. It's in the BBC. There was a professor,

1048
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:27,719
I think it was a professor who is literally drugging

1049
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:32,840
people and then staging and faking alien scenarios with people,

1050
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:34,840
and he got caught doing this. He went it's in

1051
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,519
the BBC. He went to I think he went to

1052
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:40,159
prison for this, or he was recruited to the establishment

1053
00:58:40,199 --> 00:58:42,480
to help, right. I mean, I forget exactly what happened

1054
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,519
to him, but this is an example of hey, wait

1055
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:45,920
a minute, this is what we're talking about. This is

1056
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:49,840
like people are manipulating using these scenarios. They're drugging people.

1057
00:58:50,519 --> 00:58:52,760
I could see that happening. And one last thing is

1058
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:55,320
that I don't know a whole lot about this, but

1059
00:58:55,960 --> 00:59:03,639
the people who describe sleep paralysis also sound very close

1060
00:59:03,679 --> 00:59:09,119
to situations that people describe in terms of abductions. So

1061
00:59:10,119 --> 00:59:11,960
there's a lot of parallels there. I mean, not everybody

1062
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,760
who has sleep paralysis sees a gray, but many of

1063
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:18,119
them do. And not every person who has sleep paralysis

1064
00:59:18,159 --> 00:59:22,079
has you know, their butt probed, but there's commonalities there

1065
00:59:22,119 --> 00:59:24,159
to where I was terrified, I couldn't move, I was

1066
00:59:24,239 --> 00:59:26,199
out of body experience, and the entities came in the

1067
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,639
room and they they were examining me and you know,

1068
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,159
messing with me, and it's it's very similar. So I

1069
00:59:32,159 --> 00:59:36,000
think all of these suggest like there's some sort of

1070
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:40,320
a spiritual phenomena of demonic oppression that's going on, and

1071
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:44,360
probably government operatives and agents and mad scientists who you know,

1072
00:59:44,519 --> 00:59:49,519
get off on dosing people with LSD and studying their

1073
00:59:49,519 --> 00:59:51,880
reactions and by the way to see I actually did

1074
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,199
that in Operation Midnight Climax, where they worked with the

1075
00:59:55,840 --> 01:00:01,639
organized crime structure to dose unwitting John visiting prostitutes, and

1076
01:00:01,679 --> 01:00:04,480
they do. In other words, there is precedent for the

1077
01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:08,119
establishment dosing people they else do without their knowledge.

1078
01:00:09,079 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 2: That's fascinating.

1079
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:14,599
Speaker 1: And you know, even when we consider the sort of

1080
01:00:14,639 --> 01:00:19,760
the biodigital convergence, the linking all humans.

1081
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,599
Speaker 2: To the AI hive mind, I think.

1082
01:00:22,519 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: Neuralink is probably a primitive version of what they're actually.

1083
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,239
Speaker 2: Planning, if I'm honest.

1084
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 1: But you know, we have to also consider the possibility

1085
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,239
of technological influence on people. Maybe they don't need to

1086
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:38,480
dose you with a drug anymore, you know, they can.

1087
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,360
They have voice to skull, they have all sorts of

1088
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:42,079
things now.

1089
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 2: So even for.

1090
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 1: The most sort of fortified mind, there are other external

1091
01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:53,400
things that could influence is in the wrong direction essentially,

1092
01:00:53,519 --> 01:00:56,199
J What do you think is the biggest, the most

1093
01:00:56,199 --> 01:00:59,280
effective way for people to protect themselves against this deception.

1094
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,639
Speaker 3: I think you have to kind of have a biblically

1095
01:01:06,719 --> 01:01:10,920
focused attitude and worldview. You have to be orthodox. I mean,

1096
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,559
I see a lot of people in the Protestant and

1097
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:17,360
Catholic sphere falling for all kinds of delusions. I mean,

1098
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:19,679
if you're a Catholic and you follow Francis, you're going

1099
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:23,880
to be baptizing aliens. So I wouldn't. I don't think

1100
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:27,559
there's any discernment left in those spheres. I think you've

1101
01:01:27,559 --> 01:01:30,360
got to be Orthodox. You got to be involved in

1102
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,360
the liturgy, you got to be involved in the church,

1103
01:01:32,519 --> 01:01:39,480
you got to be in the scripture as constantly. Also,

1104
01:01:39,559 --> 01:01:41,519
I think that not spending a lot of time on

1105
01:01:41,559 --> 01:01:43,920
the internet. As I get older, like more and more,

1106
01:01:44,519 --> 01:01:46,960
I come to the conclusion that the less time you're

1107
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:48,679
spending on the Internet and the more that you're spending

1108
01:01:48,719 --> 01:01:51,400
the real world is better. And I say that as

1109
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:55,519
a person who works on the internet. So you know,

1110
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:58,639
you and I, I think you're around the same age

1111
01:01:58,639 --> 01:02:00,199
with me. You're probably a little bit younger. But you

1112
01:02:00,239 --> 01:02:05,320
remember the world before the internet was everywhere, and although

1113
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:07,960
we weren't as sophisticated, we didn't know as much of

1114
01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,679
what was going on in the world. The world was

1115
01:02:10,719 --> 01:02:13,719
a lot more healthy and normal, and people were having

1116
01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:17,920
normal human experiences. And that's kind of going away a

1117
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:21,599
lot of the you know, younger gen z like all

1118
01:02:21,679 --> 01:02:24,760
their life is on the Internet, and I think that's

1119
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:26,840
really dangerous. I don't think humans were meant to live

1120
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:30,519
that way. It's kind of like a god level technology

1121
01:02:30,599 --> 01:02:33,800
that you could use in a wise way, or it

1122
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:37,760
can destroy you. So I would not spend a lot

1123
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:41,840
of time on the internet. I would start eating organic food,

1124
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:46,440
I would start working out, I would start you know,

1125
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:49,639
that's about it. I mean, I'm a big believer in

1126
01:02:49,679 --> 01:02:51,679
bitcoin too. I don't believe bitcoin is the mark of

1127
01:02:51,719 --> 01:02:55,199
the beast. So for economics, it's better than gold, even

1128
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:56,960
so you could get your.

1129
01:02:57,079 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 1: Oh we'll have a fight about that, Jay, Huh, We're gonna.

1130
01:03:01,039 --> 01:03:05,599
Speaker 2: Have a fight about this about bitcoin, about bitcoin big

1131
01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:07,960
better than gold. I'm kidding, of course that I'm going

1132
01:03:08,039 --> 01:03:11,679
to fight with you. I see the parers both.

1133
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 3: And by the way, my joke is that here's my

1134
01:03:15,039 --> 01:03:18,480
life hack for how you get gold. If you want

1135
01:03:18,519 --> 01:03:20,639
all the gold you want, you just stack bitcoin for

1136
01:03:20,639 --> 01:03:22,400
the next ten years, and then ten years you can

1137
01:03:22,440 --> 01:03:23,360
buy all the gold you want.

1138
01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1139
01:03:24,679 --> 01:03:28,079
Speaker 1: I definitely see the benefit of some of the crypto,

1140
01:03:28,199 --> 01:03:30,679
especially right now, people can make quite quite a bit

1141
01:03:30,679 --> 01:03:34,199
of money on things like bank I mean, I.

1142
01:03:34,119 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 3: Mean, sorry, what was that also being debanked? I mean

1143
01:03:37,599 --> 01:03:40,000
a lot of the people in the Canadian trucker scenario

1144
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,920
when they were debanked, they were able to survive through bitcoin.

1145
01:03:43,039 --> 01:03:47,159
So you know, if the system moves towards d banking,

1146
01:03:48,119 --> 01:03:52,920
you can presently live literally just on bitcoin. Jack Mollers

1147
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,440
has created the stroke app to do that. There's also

1148
01:03:55,519 --> 01:03:58,599
a bit pay where you can basically use crypto to buy,

1149
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:00,559
like if you want to go to Kroger something like that,

1150
01:04:00,719 --> 01:04:04,800
or the grocery store and you weren't able to, like

1151
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:06,679
for the in the foreseeable future, let's say that they

1152
01:04:06,719 --> 01:04:08,960
turn off your credit card and you can't get a bank,

1153
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,840
and let's say they don't accept cash anymore, you can,

1154
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:17,159
through various apps, presently live literally just on crypto. It's

1155
01:04:17,199 --> 01:04:18,599
a little bit of a hassle because you have to

1156
01:04:18,639 --> 01:04:23,119
buy through the app the gift cards for the grocery

1157
01:04:23,159 --> 01:04:25,800
store or right or whatever. But you can do it,

1158
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:28,119
and people have already been been having to do it.

1159
01:04:28,679 --> 01:04:30,719
Speaker 1: Yes, there are people that have to do it already.

1160
01:04:30,719 --> 01:04:33,719
And my my only concern is with anything digital that

1161
01:04:34,119 --> 01:04:37,760
you know, we've already seen them trying to control you know,

1162
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:42,119
digital currencies and put their claws into it, and so

1163
01:04:42,239 --> 01:04:44,760
I see an element of freedom in it. But I

1164
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:47,800
also see, oh well, e and p there goes my currency.

1165
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:51,760
You know, so things I think both is a good outlook.

1166
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,119
You know, use the system that you can while you

1167
01:04:54,159 --> 01:04:58,440
can absolutely and tangible assets are never going anywhere.

1168
01:04:58,480 --> 01:04:59,920
Speaker 2: So I'm all.

1169
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 3: On the MP point. I know you don't want to

1170
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:03,840
have a debate on this, but just one point on that.

1171
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:06,159
Speaker 2: Okay, let's do it. Roll my sleeves up.

1172
01:05:07,519 --> 01:05:11,400
Speaker 3: So the Bitcoin ledger is stored everywhere that there's a node,

1173
01:05:11,400 --> 01:05:13,840
and there's ten ten thousand plus we don't even know

1174
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,400
how many there are across the world, so you would

1175
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:19,800
have to have a global emp to knock out everything.

1176
01:05:20,559 --> 01:05:25,119
There's also satellites that have the Bitcoin ledger, so it's

1177
01:05:25,159 --> 01:05:27,840
really not it's the most secure network.

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Speaker 1: That's interesting because even if they went down the path

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of cyber COVID, which is knocking down the entire world's internet, electricity, everything,

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the whole grid, satellites are still used by the military.

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They're not going to let the military not be able

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to communicate. I've always said this, The satellite never would

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be the last thing to be attacked.

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Speaker 2: Bitcoin's attached to that.

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Speaker 3: Then, Yeah, there are satellites that broadcast a Bitcoin ledger

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and network, which means that even if every node on

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Earth went down, conceivably it would still exist. But also,

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an MP is probably not going to be the entire world.

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It's going to be a re area. And even if

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the Internet goes out for some time period, Bitcoin doesn't

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go away. It still exists. You were just waiting for

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the Internet to come back. I also don't think that

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they've built all this infrastructure to take us back to

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the eighteen hundreds. I think that they want a technocratic

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control where they want that, so it only makes a

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sense of my Viewtube have elements within that system that

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are decentralized and not subject to that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you, actually, Jay, It's probably an

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area I need to learn more about. I've started to

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in recent times, particularly you know, privacy coins and things

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like that. People are functioning this way, and so I

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think it is important to have an alternative to things

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like cash or the fee out.

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Speaker 2: System for sure. For sure.

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Speaker 1: So people can learn more about everything.

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Speaker 2: That Jay talks about.

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Speaker 1: By visiting Jay'sanalysis dot com. You can see his bookstore

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in there as well. He has a fantastic writings and

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incredible content breaking down syops, whether it be Hollywood, whether

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it be whether it be current events. Probably one of

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the most best read people. I see you like a

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like a like one of the veterans of conspiracy in

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modern times.

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Speaker 2: That's what I see you as, Jay, So.

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Speaker 1: Just a wealth of knowledge, and you're also doing debates

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regularly on your YouTube and your ex so just tell

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people about that, because I think your debates are great.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that just kind of happened accidentally. Back

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in twenty seventeen, somebody invited me to do a debate

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with a couple of atheists and libertarians, and that kind

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of snowballed into just a thing where I kind of

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regularly do debates. They get a lot they get a

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lot lot more traction than when I'm summarizing books. I

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would actually prefer to read and summarize books because I

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kind of get tired of doing I've been doing debates

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since college, so twenty plus years. It's okay, I don't

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mind it, but people really watching the debates, they always

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kind of end up for me being the same debates.

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But yeah, we do those regularly where we invite Muslims, Atheists,

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Roman Catholics, Protestants, Pagans, Gnostics, Mormons, you name it. It's

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a wild, wide variety in cast of characters. And so

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I do that pretty much every week. But we've also

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done formal debates with pretty, you know, big name atheists,

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and I've debated all the top Muslims except for one

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hit job.

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Speaker 1: Because he won't right what he won't do it, he

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keeps he keeps making excuses for me.

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Speaker 3: I'm not popular enough, which was his excuse. So I'm

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popular enough to respond to, but I'm not popular to debate.

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And by the way, he's debated people with much smaller

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audiences than me. So yeah, so we do that. That's fun.

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In my book wise, though, I just remember, like there's

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like probably sixty seventy pages of this one that deals

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with aliens. So I've been this came out in twenty sixteen.

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I'm writing the third book, by the way, that's circularly

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with three right now. I've got three hundred pages of

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that one. Done nothing about aliens in that one because

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in esetera, Hollywood one and two both of them actually

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cover aliens pretty extensively. So I'm kind of done writing

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about the alien topic, but you can get the first

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two books that kind of it talks a lot about

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what you and I talked about today. I'd go with

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Deep into HG. Wells The History of Mythos so the

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alien nonsense and cover it through the lens of movies amazing.

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Speaker 1: You can also follow Jay at j Underscore d DO

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seven on X and that's where he does I think

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you do, and you invite people from your X space

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onto the YouTube debate. But visual is always better, so

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you can watch that on YouTube. Thank you so much today,

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Really really appreciate your time today. And ultimately, people just

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can protect themselves from deception by being close to God.

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And really, you and I both believe the only way

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to truly do that is to.

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Speaker 2: Be within the original and true cho the Orthodox Church.

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Speaker 1: So and by the way, I'm just just side notes.

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I've been reading so many prophecies of the saints relating

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to the times, relating to all of this stuff that

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we've spoken about today, and it is the most accurate

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that I've found in the Orthodox Church compared to anywhere

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else that I've seen. It seems to be quite sheltered

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from a lot of this deception. So it's got to

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say something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Orthodox Saints and Orthodox people who you

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know are faithful, you'll have discernment. You're not going to

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fall for the stuff that's out there. And the other

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groups you know, don't dislike them on a personal level.

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But I really don't think that Calvolcs and Protestants have discernment.

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I think that they've lost that and they're going to

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fall for or you're much more susceptible to falling for,

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you know, whatever deceptions are coming.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to agree with you, Jay Daya, Thank

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you so much, and I'm sure we'll speak again soon. Sure,

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