Speaker 1: The infinite complaces people went to and pro fears about
their little affairs, serene in the assurance of their dominion
over this small binning fragment of solar driftwood, which, by
chance or design, man has inherited out of the dark
mystery of time and face.
Speaker 2: On this episode of Into the Fray, I welcome Kevin
lestarje On with me. And he has of course a
high interest in Bigfoot, like myself, and he's actually written
a couple of children's books, and he runs what is
called the Bigfoot Archive, and he's been out himself for
Bigfoot for sasquaddle out in the field, So he does
more than just write about it and talk about it
whilst sitting in a chair like we are doing right now.
But keV, that is your official title for your book,
So should I should have asked that? Should I call
you keV or Kevin?
Speaker 3: keV is great, it's my author name. But then at
the end of the day, everyone in my family, if
you're in the inner circle, you can call me keV. Shannon,
you can call me keV.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I should have asked that before we officially started.
I apologize because I have it written down right here
you you write under keV Lestars, so well, welcome those Yeah,
thank you so much. Yeah, there are worse things, right
but still I just I try to cover my basis
so well. Yeah, I'm so happy to be talking to you.
I've had a lot of Bigfoot centric shows lately, which
is wonderful. Sometimes it just takes me poking all of
the algorithms and actually being better about posting and asking
for what I want, which lately has been more Bigfoot
topic centric shows. And that's what has happened. And Nicole
of the Peep podcast is who put us in contact,
and I just want to say thank you to her
for doing such a thing. Yes, I appreciate that so
much because I feel like I know a lot of people,
but I don't always know everybody and for some reason,
which I feel is kind of weird sometimes when I
get to know someone and then they come on the
show and I'm kind of going, why haven't I come
across this person before? You know, I don't know why
the algos work that way.
Speaker 3: I knew at some point our paths was crossed. I
don't know if that's a weird thing to say or not,
but like I was I was very sure. At some point,
I was like, we will talk. And that's how the
Bigfoot circles are. I mean, at some point you just can't.
You know, this community is so broad and it is
a community because there are certain spectrums of folks on
this community, right, so it really becomes almost like a
sociology circle. And so that's where But I'm glad I
was able to connect with Nicole. She is an amazing person,
very sweet person. Was not her podcast a bit ago,
but yeah, she I'm glad she made the introduction and
just thrilled to be here and be able to talk
with you today.
Speaker 2: We know what's funny, keV, is that once I I
of course looked yep, and she emailed and we're talking
and touch and base. I recall seeing one of your
books posted somewhere. I don't know which one, but I
just like, I love the covers of your book. They're
very striking. So I was like, oh see, there was
always this one very of separation there, so but here
we are finally. Okay. So that's right. You say you
grew up in the woods of Wisconsin, and that I
mean from a young age. It sounds like you were
into sasquatdle And so why is that? Do you even
because like myself, I don't really recall my first thought
of you know, bigfoot coming out across my gray matter
and why that was interesting to me? And so, you know,
was it a movie for you? Was it some kind
of a book for you?
Speaker 3: You know, I always for me, it's it was that.
And this is maybe perhaps a different answer than you
were expecting. But I grew up in a household where
my parents gave me the space to question, and I
think that that, to me is really what allowed me
to I mean, and they were reading things to me
like where the you know, Morris Index, Where the Wild
Things Are? That was I love that book, favorite children's book.
I loved the drawings in it. I loved how they were,
the different large life creatures in it. The main character Max.
If you go and reread that book, like he is
a piece of work, Like he's not the nicest of children,
but like you know, kind of have an attitude and
get sent to his room and then that's where his
imagination takes over, right, And that, to me is where
my parents were all for that. And I think if
you have a little in your life, or if you're
a guardian or aunt, uncle, whomever you are and little's life,
please give them the space to imagine and to ask questions,
because it really is the foundation to allowing that person
to grow up and actually, you know, be a really
awesome person. Not to say that I'm an awesome person,
but maybe. And so that was kind of an I
think the the you have to have the space for
imagination to happen. But then I guess being in Wisconsin,
we always and I have an older sibling, and I
think they were very much apart and I actually just
kind of realizing I'm talking to do this now, but
like they were very much a part of my growth
into the you know, I know you like to call
pre normal, and it's not paranormal, it's pre normal, right,
And so kind of being able to, you know, when
they were having sleepovers and they're watching a horror movie
and it's like, oh, there's a ghost movie, and like
I was very drawn to that to begin with. And
then there was a particular house. It was way off
in like a field, and it was a white house
kind of I mean it wasn't it's kind of like
a white farmhouse, but black windows like you know, I
mean just window, but it looks black from where we are,
and it was just in this field kind of with
some cornstocks, kind of not kind of dead woods around it.
So you just automatically was like, that's theunted house in
our neighborhood, and so drawn to some of the ghost things.
And I probably knew more about ghosts before, and I
think I was the only second or third grader that
could say things like a poltergeist, like I'm pretty sure
I was the only person to be able to say that,
but drawn to the ghost side of things. And then
when I was looking at some of the books that
we had in our elementary school library about ghosts and
like the fame, like the Infamous, like ghost story books
with the amazing drawings, and like you know, you read
things like the Dead Toe, and it's like, oh my god,
what has happened?
Speaker 2: Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark. That's actually what
I have a memorial tattoo for my brother, and it's
based upon one of the one of the art scenes
from one of the Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark.
It's it's this brother and sister walking down this creepy
path and I showed it to the artist and I said,
not this exactly, of course, making your own like you
want to do, but that's what I base it off of.
So huge. I five for that, because scary stories to
tell in the dark. The original art, of course was
just it smoked everything that even today usually you can
come across and this is, like you said, this is
an elementary school.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yes, like I'm talking about grounding people up the what
is that the best sausage or whatever? That that?
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, that one. It's like literally just looking at
the cover, I'm surprised. But back then, I think, you know,
you could still bring lighters to school back then, right, yeah,
And so it's different these days of course, but reading
books like that, having you know, and then they had
cryptied books, I mean, because I think this is kind
of all a part in some books obviously talked about ghosts, scrypteds,
things like that, aliens and so seeing I think that
was truly one of the first times where I saw
the you know, the infamous again still frame three fifty
two of the Patterson Gamblin footage of Patty kind of
doing the walk right like that stuck out but then
we also had Luckiness Monster like that I was also
interested in, and being from Wisconsin, I think we're just
I think we're one of the weird states. But Ogo
Pogo things like that, like but that's all to answer
your question in short, those are the things that kind
of open the door. And then of course I always
referenced this to Pete's Dragon with Mickey Rooney. That was
a like a large bend life character, only the child
who kind of have a cordial relationship with this character,
somewhat like MEPs and Where the Wild Things Are. But
then Harry and Henderson's like that was I loved that
movie and kind of would watch that on repeat. And
then nineteen ninety five came around Internet was booming. First
website bfro dot net. I mean my first search was
Bigfoot pictures, Bigfoot videos, Bigfoot sounds, and it helped continue
that flame that I once had as a kid into
the mysteriousness of things. But Bigfoot and maybe we're gonna
appreciate this, Shanna, But like Bigfoot was always it for me.
Ghosts were cool, but they could be kind of crazy
because the polterguys stuff aliens were just to me, that's
a whole other kettle offish, like I'd almost rather not
think about that, just because of the immense technology that
could be available to them, not us, all those types
of things. But Bigfoot was always it because it was
just this, this is a creature of the earth like
us humans. Are we separated? Are we somehow acted at
some point? Like when did the jeene pulled decide to
split off? Was it with the apes? Was it with
the chip? Like how did does this all come about?
So that's kind of where I was also drawn at
the topic.
Speaker 2: So besides because so many people bring up the PG film.
Of course, besides the PG film even today right now,
are there your go tos if somebody says there's no
good pictures or videos and you're looking, what about this?
Speaker 3: I love the Prince Edward Island footage. That is one
where I mean, it's a very quick clip online and
I've yet to see the whole thing, and I've yet
to even hear if this has been debunked or anything
to that degree. But it was this guy kind of
bolting out of this like tree line because he sees something.
They're already kind of like filming a video for something,
But do you know what I are you familiar with?
Speaker 2: That is that the pot where there light off fireworks
against a berm.
Speaker 3: No no, no, no. This was in the day time,
and this was in Canada, obviously, but the guys like
running around this this little tree line thicket area. But
then you just see this black mass kind of it
looked like it was on the ground and then kind
of stands up to run.
Speaker 2: So yes, my.
Speaker 3: Friend and I we were like, oh, we got to
try this out. So we were actually in the backyard
trying to run on all fours and see how easy
it is for us to stand up and sprint and
like could it be fluid? So we were I don't know,
we were like eleven doing this. That video stuck out
to me. There was, of course the snow walker, where
you see this sasquatch kind of climbing up this mountain
and it's up to its what hips at least waist
right in thick snow and it's just kind of lumbering
up this up this mountain side. I suppose I recall
that being debunked, but now I think it's a challenge
these days because anything that was debunked then because of
the science is now being rethought of today because of
the science and like that's opened up a whole can
of worms of things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, So I don't know if we should
talk about well, yeah, let's go here now, because you
kind of mentioned, you know, did did the gene pool
split off? You know, apes and gorillas and all these
other things. So do you think then that they are
flesh and blood? Are you? Are you fully in that
camp or are you kind of in the middle. You're
not really sure if there's something paranormal to them.
Speaker 3: I love to be on the fence that way, I
can see both sides. And I don't know if that's
a cliche answer, but it allows me to hear people's
stories when they say they see a sasquatch that came
out of a spaceship that was handcuffed to a briefcase.
But it also allows me to understand that there are footprints,
there's dermal ridges, there's hair samples. Cliff Berrickman has butt
samples and all sorts of elbow samples and hand samples, right,
So that to me, it's like, okay, well then it's physical.
So I think the reason why this topic is also
so much fun is because we don't have that Jane
Goodall like character yet or figure who can actually say
that I'm studying these animals, I know their patterns, I
know where they are. Until we have that, I think
that we're still going to be it's all going to
be still led up to someone's experience or the samples
or the you know, true data like footprints that they
can bring to the table that can be studied and exampled.
I answer question on the fence.
Speaker 2: I'm right there with you, and I think it depends
on what day and who I'm talking to. And you know,
I can sway a little bit this way or that
way depending on who I'm speaking to them. Yeah, you know,
because at least from however much information you can gather
just from speaking to someone. Of course, you weren't there
with them, but they believe what they saw. And I
get that so often, you know, and I know that
you do too, And you go, well, it wasn't there,
but they saw something and they believe they saw what
they said they saw. So I get swayed depending on
who I'm talking to. But I definitely don't sit in
one camp or the other because I think it does
as you pretty much said, it does a disservice in
a way. You know, just to sit in one camp
and say I'm not gonna listen to it, and you
do the it doesn't really help push anything forward because
there are stranger aspects to this and maybe one day
we'll figure out why that is. But there's a lot
of weird SISA that goes on around Bigfoot.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know well and to your you know,
I'm familiar with your past experience with seeing these shadow figures, right,
and so how and this is kind of where everyone
should start to kind of be a little bit more
human about people's experiences. And this is where it's like
just because you didn't have an experience, but this person
did put their glasses on literally and right. And if
you had an experience and you wanted to tell someone,
and you're being brave and vulnerable enough to tell someone,
what would you want someone to respond to you with,
You're crazy? That's probably not very polite, right or humane? Right.
So that's where I very much appreciate all the stories
and candidly again, until we can actually start putting these circumstances.
And I don't know if you can even say a
controlled environment but in something where it's not. I mean,
this is going to go off in a bit of
a tangent, but like with today's AI, you you really
can't believe your eyes and ears anymore. And this is
where it's it's actually kind of an opportunity for those
who are passionate enough to ask the questions is it
real or not? Which is my second book. I'll segue
slip that in there. But it's actually asking those questions,
and it's going to force people to get off, get
off their chair and like go have that experience.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: Granted you might be the lucky one where you could
simply just look out your window and there's a big Foot, sasquatch,
dumpster diving right there are those reports, but it's it's
going to stop people from looking at their phone to
be like, oh, this this video clip is real, this
this sund is real. And something that I was thinking
about earlier, Shan, you want to know a really poetic
circular framing to all of this. I think the only
way in which we're actually going to have someone believe
in the Bigfoot if it is filmed, is we're going
to have to go back to real the reel and
people are going to be out in the woods and
a reel to reel because that's the only way we
can actually gauge it that there's an object blocking light
that is now transferred into film, and that's just like
P and G.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, you have to have that physical where's
the negative, where's the actual film for it?
Speaker 3: You're like, right here, exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think you're spot on with that at
this point. Unless you produce a physical film backup for
whatever it is, or you can confirm that, then it's
Unfortunately it it all, especially for once you put it
onto a Facebook group or onto YouTube, everyone's going to
go double thumbs down. Man, sorry h KBCA, No, uh sorry,
yes it's a fake. And even though in your head
you're screaming, but I was there, I saw it, I
filmed this doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: Doesn't matter. Yeah, but there's also I think it also
depends on I think a little bit of your clout
right and a little bit of who you truly are.
Like I think, again, this is this is wright. I
go back to the spectrum of this big foot culture
where it's like we have these spectrum of characters, those
who are kind of questionable, those who are Oh, they're
the you know, to me doctor Jeffrey Maldrum. He was
the steady handed like he's got academia behind him, Like
he's a smart dude. I've been out in the force
with him, you know, twice I was able to truly
do like almost a solo camping with him was him
and my family member and so got to just be
around him in the intelligence was off the chart. And
so this is where it's like, if you have a
figure like that, and he's been on probably every single
Bigfoot documentary since you know, the late eighty and so
figure like that versus potentially other ones, this is where
it's well, where are you getting this data from? Or
how are you coming up with these conclusions? What's your background?
This is where I think it's really up to. And
there might be a relational is you know, a friendship
or relationship that other Bigfooters might say, Oh I know
that person. And I literally just had this conversation earlier
this week with someone was oh I know that person.
They're a good dude. I don't know if I know
that person. They might not be a good due, but
it seems like their footage or what they're trying to
do is a little clever, which makes people question or
it's a little bit too miraculous that they're coming up
with certain footage, or you know, whatever the storyline is.
So's it's a tricky it's a tricky pendulum.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's also the problem is that
you get a let's go with the hip habituation situation, right,
and you have some family that they could be having daily, weekly, monthly,
whatever it is, and sometimes there's a little bit of
audio going on, but there's not a lot of video.
But then that opens up the conversation of why, well
they know there's video there, of course they do, and
then there's all these rabbit holes that you can go
down with just the video side of just just take
this habituation situation. But then there's others that they're getting,
as you said, incredible video, almost too good to be
true all the time. So because you have people screaming,
where's the video? Is a video? But then you give
them the video and I'm not saying that all of
those situations are taking actual video, but then they're going,
oh this is bs. We're like, well, what did you want?
You wanted the video? I gave you the video, so
I think that. But that said, there is a lot
of bad actors who are obviously just doing tilly stuff,
and I think that mostly we can figure that out,
I think, you know, with certain folks. But that's the
funny thing also about the community, though, is that you
you give them what they want and then it's it's
just not ever go.
Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's tough. It's tough out there, but that's the
day and age that we we live in. And that's
why I love that you said, really the only way
as far as video evidence is to go back to
old school. You got to take it back to film,
and that way you have that providence and you have
actual physical proof of what is laying on that film.
So yeah, absolutely that is a problem. Okay, so let's
talk a little bit because you did bring up the
fact that you went out a couple of times with
doctor Meltrum, and you say you've went out with Jeff,
you went out with Cliff, Cliff Berrickman, Tom Palell, Sabyla Irwin,
all kinds folks. So can you talk a little bit about,
you know, any experiences that that you did have and
even if it's not I don't need to keep it
like strictly bigfoot, even if you had strange experiences while
you were out for the purposes a bigfoot, which I've
also encountered myself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, so I'll just start the first one.
I mean, I guess I won the lottery outside of
having a class A, which is actually seeing a sassquatch.
You know. The first night, this was the first expedition
ever Shannon, and this was in Los almost New Mexico
with the BFRO and we were kind of in the
first night, we were on a campfire, but I kept
seeing in like it was almost like fireflies, right, but
they were they were red. They were red dots. And
I don't know if my eyes were just adjusting if
I was actually seeing something that I remember, like, you know,
there's a vfroro, you know, God bless them, but there's
like a groups of like twenty plus, right, and so
I don't know why anything would have gotten as close
as it would have, But kept seeing these red dots.
And what I kept saying, you know, thinking, is like
they're peaking because I would see them and when I
would look at them, they would just kind of disappear,
and I think for me, and I always try to
try to logically think of like, Okay, what what is
my brain processing as it's processing, as I'm thinking of this,
as I'm seeing this, And so are these red dots
like hiding behind the tree, Like why are they disappearing?
What's happening? But I couldn't focus on anyone long enough
for me to make sense. But they're just kind of
here and there. We decided to split up. Okay, we're
going to go out on on our night hike. And
this is the first night. You heard this lumbrous crunch, crunch, crunch,
and like it totally had the pace of what you
would think would be at least a bipedal, a two
legged figure walking in the woods. And it wasn't acute
enough or for legged to maybe be a deer because
I've heard of that in the woods before, or scampering.
Nothing like that. A crunch crunch, and like the pace
was very interesting. And I'll get to this, but everyone
was accounted for, everyone, you know, kind of radioed in.
One of our leaders heard it. Mean, this was like
six or seven in the group and we all heard this.
Second night is where things really just went off the map.
So my family member and I were in this one
area kind of away from like where I think most
people were camping, and we had this trail that just
kind of went behind our tent. But we were very
drawn to that. And when it finally came to the
group of five that we were in, one of the
leader's names was Bill. I wish I could know his
last name. I would love to get in contact with him,
but his last name was his person was Bill. And
so we said, we really want to go back here.
We're just drawn to it and it's okay, great, but
they wanted to split off. So him and this other
fella they split off. They went down one trail. It
was myself, family member and this other fella, and I thought,
you know, let's do something very different. Let's kind of
walk a couple of paces every thirty or so feet,
and let's just stop in the shadows, because to me,
the the moon was very bright that day, and you know,
full moon, which I think to me is good luck.
Others I think will say that that's oh, you want
to go on the pitch black, But like I kind
of want to see what I'm looking at. If I'm
going to get bluff charged or something. But it was
perfect because it was creating these awesome shadows from these
you know, giant furs, and so this is kind of
where our pine trees, right, So this is where we
were stopping and starting in the shadows, just trying to
be because it felt as if we could be different
than that typical camper just simply walking back to their
camp or simply walking on a hike and like not stopping,
like that might not be interesting enough for a sasquatch.
So we were stopping and starting and then we hear
this pebble for whatever reason, kind of u lodge itself
or get thrown or something. But you hear this trickle
coming from our right, and we all kind of got
in a circle and like, okay, we hear that again.
That was that was at your three, It was at
my three. It was at your two because you were
looking at Okay, so we're trying to figure out like
the clock system of where we heard this, and like, yeah,
of course it was just here continued and well we looked.
I was expecting candidly to see like a sasquat looking
at us, like yeah, I threw that, and like just
kind of punched over because it was that clear and
it was close, but nothing. I mean you could the
moon was shining on this incline so well that you
could see maybe like thirty forty yards into this area.
It was just nothing. Continued maybe about twenty more feet
thirty more feet, and then we get this very deep
guttural growl that you know, shook the Trump major shirt
tremble on your chest. And it was so quiet, you know,
at this point channel where you know, you could actually
hear your pulse beating in your ears, Like that's how quiet.
There was no flies, insects, bugs, nothing, There was no wind.
I mean, it was dead quiet. And so when this
growl happened, I mean this was maybe an eight second
guttural growl deep, and we immediately all stopped huddled up
over like we should probably leave, Like yeah, we need
to go back and get the other two and like
at least share this with Bill. Now here's the thing
Bill was, And I'll get to the kind of leading here.
But like Bill was like six seven six eight, He's
a tall dude, and I think that this there's this
leads to something else. But as we were going back
to get Bill, because he's the tallest of us and
he's the leader. Like, all right, we got to get Bill.
Radioed Bill and said, hey, we just got growled out.
What do we do? Okay, come back to where we
split off. We'll meet you there. So we did radio
a little bit later back to Bill like okay, we're
at the cutoff point. He's like, are you around? And
you go and I was like, oh, I think I
see you. I remember saying this. Unfortunately this is also
later on. But we were a bit novice in our
big footing skills, so like didn't have audio running, didn't
have night vision, and of course that's when you get something.
But I, as I was talking to him, I saw
this orangish amberish. I don't know if I can call
it an orb, because candidly, I don't know what an
orb looks like. I still don't, but that's what I
will say it was because it turned it was like
a grapefruit. But then it was like it turned on
and it kind of got bigger to like a best ball,
then as big as like a medicine ball, a beach ball.
And I was seeing it off in the distance and
what I thought was the trail the next day realized, oh,
that's in the tree line, so that's so what is that?
But when I said to Bill, I said, oh, I
think I see you, because there's no way we like
have yet to even get out of the position that
we are at, and so didn't think anything of a
channel because I I mean again, at the point in time,
I said, oh, okay, well that's not them. I don't
know what that is. Erase it because we just got
growl that right, and so, but what was kind of
interesting was the fact that, I mean this was a
true like one eighty from like where we got and
growled at, which was behind us. So now in front
of us there's this light source happening. And I don't
believe the other fellas saw it because it was true
like boom boom, you know, light and then off. And
so okay, well that's not Bill waited, looked again, not there.
You know. I'm blinking my eyes furiously because I'm like, okay,
is it me? What's happening? Finally met up a Bill
told them what happened. We get down to where we
thought we were growled. We got growled that, but that
turned out to be a meadow in this meadow kind
of you know, inclined from the right, declined all the
way to come to the left of us, and on
the other side of this meadow was another tree line,
and we started to okay, we're going to approach where
this other tree line was because maybe this thing went
over there. And as we got about halfway through, this
metal Bill goes, Okay, I need to make sure that
you know this. If we get bluff charged, you have
to just sit down and don't look at it in
the eyes, and immediately you have to just kind of
give your verbal affirmation of like yep, sure thing, I'll
do that. But so many things went through my mind
where it's like, Okay, I have to acknowledge that this exists.
And not only do I have to acknowledge it, I
now have to accept it. Not freaking panic, do nothing.
You just sit and like as almost as if this
was a silver back in like an African safari that
you were getting charged. You just have to totally be done.
You know what's the opposite of dominant submissive, right, and
so totally be submissive. Sure, gave a verbal commit went
to that next tree line, he whips out this woodblock,
gave it like two wraps nothing. As we continued into
this tree line. This was maybe like another fifteen twenty feet.
As we like got just into this, like we passed
a tree and like we're now we're in this tree line.
We hear this crunch, cracked snap, you know, all the
sleeve flitter and twigs and branches starting to crack and
pop and like going towards owner. So we're getting a
tree get broken and knocked down towards us. What was
next was happening was this rumble. We hear this, So
we hear this rumble and things snapping and popping in like,
so what was a tree break in front of me?
Which I probably could tell you immediately, Okay, that's a sasponge.
We just got a tree get knocked down. But the
rumbling and things were happening over here, so it was
caused me to figure, okay, I need to focus on
the rumbling because I don't know what that is. And
you start to see these shadows pop up and dance
and do it like all these things. Well, what happened
was this is a about i'll just say thirty to
forty unintended mountain cattle got up from their slumber and
then stampeded down the meadow that we had just crossed.
So and then as that kind of subsided and this
was like maybe a minute. I mean that's how much
they hauled, literally hauled tail out of there. You hear
this same pace, same rhythm, crunch crunch front. Is it
just kind of disappears down whatever hill or you know,
mountain valley whatever it was. And when we went back
there the next day, I mean, this was a drop off.
This was like nothing should have descended where this things
like where we heard this takeoff or like walk away
and it was a walk. I mean, this was not
a run by any means or jog or jawn nothing.
The only thing I'll say about it about the the
last well, the last thing I'll say about like the
cattle pieces was it doing that? Would like, did it
go to that cattle? Didn't know it was there? Did
it tried to go there because or was it there
in the first place? And was it growling at us
because it was trying to get a burger? Was it
did it get frightened of us and crossed the meadow
and be by this, you know, a herd of cattle
because it wanted warmth protection, maybe to take us away
from the scent, although we did not smell anything. The
air was too still. We wouldn't have probably anyways. But
so many questions about how this cattle didn't move once
this thing crossed. Did they? Are they aware of the
fact that this sasquatch is there and they are constantly
around each other and weren't scared. They weren't scared of
us when we crossed the meadow. They didn't do anything.
We didn't even know they were there. The whole spark
of this stampede everything was the tree gun knocked down,
So that either that or was it doing some type
of infrasound that said get the hell out of here,
And we were too you know, I don't know, too
human to understand what it was telling us, but it's
signaled to this cop of these cows to get out,
and they did. So many questions.
Speaker 2: Is this private property?
Speaker 3: No, which is also why I was like, how are
their unattended cattle here? It didn't make.
Speaker 2: Sense to me an interesting location, of course, Los Alamos.
I mean, that's a whole nother rabbit hole right there.
But so obviously they've been to this location before and
that's why they go there because there is there is
some activity. Is that kind of par for the course
for that location? Did you find out what before going?
Did they kind of give you a rundown sheet of
what's doing there?
Speaker 3: Agree they go to the BFA goes to locations that
they are for a reason. Case in point, we were
going to twenty fourteen, We went to Sam Houston National
Park in Texas, and we were going there because there
was apparently some bigfoot activity where a camp had gotten disturbed,
and by disturbed I mean destroyed, and by destroyed, I
mean so much so that the FBI had been called
in like the week prior to investigate, because now it
turned into a four to one one situation. And when
we went to investigate that, we were told by the
park rangers. Literally I was hearing these conversations, was that
because that camp's being investigated, you can't go there. And
so unfortunately there's no website that I'm aware of that
you can go to search what happened? Why is the
FBI investigating this site? Right? But it was because of
that instance where we were, you know, somehow we were
trying to perhaps get ahead of the FBI or the
BFRO was didn't make it because they were there right away. Yes,
I think they're always drawn to a location where something
is happening. That's why the BFRORO goes there. Now, the
super uper duper hotspots, I think that those are kind
of kept close to the chest. But I think where
it's a I don't know if there's any type of
measuring system that the BFRORO has, but okay, this is
like a yellow orange, it's not a red right, But yeah,
let's see if someone can have some type of instance
where I don't know if the BFRO candidly has ever
gone back to or at least publicly shared that they were,
so I think that might have become an area of No,
we got to keep this closer than chest.
Speaker 2: Well, that's pretty cool about keV, because that means that you,
I mean, we don't know for sure, and I'm sure
you'd probably say the same thing, but it sounds like
you saw Bigfoot. So exciting because.
Speaker 3: I wish, I will say, I wish I could have
seen it. Right, we're sure as how we're within forty
feet of one, which is crazy. Yeah, another question I
asked myself is when this pebble gotck you know, trickled
down and then we walked a couple of feet. I
mean we didn't hear anything tracking us or paralleling us,
nothing like that. We I would just hear this growl.
But it's like where the two there, let's say this.
I mean, it just was such a still night. There
would be no reason why this pebble would just kind
of trickle down. Was it thrown? If it was too
big foot there? Then could one have parallel or perhaps
this way if it was only one big foot and
the pebble happened by the time we moved fifteen feet,
could this thing have traveled so fast and made you know,
made zero noise that now it's growling at us literally
from in front of us. So many questions that are
left unanswered. And perhaps of course that's that was the
full on genesis of like the bigfoot bite, where I
was like, okay, great, now I've got the Now I'm hooked. Yeah,
what is it? I got to have an experience? You know,
it fell down the well pretty hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're done for now once you even and all
it takes is a cool auditory experience, which is all
I've ever had. I am slightly jealous that. I mean
not only that, of course you saw one, but that
the growling and things like that, because as you said,
you can feel things just physically moving when it is growling. Now,
that is not some dude in a bush able to
do that. I'm sorry, no, no.
Speaker 3: I mean you would have had to have a subble
for ready to go at like eleven to make your
shirt jiggle. And I just it's one of those things
too where we didn't have the audio. We were too novice.
And at the same time that's probably the reason why
we did get something potentially, is you know, there's a
theory that they can kind of pick up on those things. Yes,
they can pick up better equipment, So lucky or unlucky
it you know, I don't know if that glass is
half full or half empty at that point, but at
least I could say I had an experience class B.
At most I did have another one off in mountain
Hood where and this is I actually somewhat came prepared
where I actually have audio which is on the Bigfoot
archive where you can listen to where I believe I
captured a baby sas watching a tree blowing raspberries or bubbles.
And I because I have sound engineer experience PASS, so
I actually showed the waveform of what it is that
I'm hearing to kind of just help the listener visually
understand because there's a lot going on. There's you know,
trees and rustling and things like that. But you can
hear this, and I'm like, this is in a tree.
Tell me if it's it's not. You know, it's either
a human. I don't think wildcat does that. Horses have lips.
Horsesn't in the.
Speaker 2: Tree, right, Like that would be terrifying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, primates too. So those are the two major experiences
that I've had where I've had an auditorial success.
Speaker 2: I guess yeah, and I will agree. I mean, that
is all it takes to light the fire, is even
just a strange auditory experience is pretty profound. But and
bless you And you're like, well it's class B. It
sounds like class A to me. Yeah, that's awesome. You
got You're like, hey, Bill, which do know of there?
But feels like, nah, that ain't mean what.
Speaker 3: Well? And I will say this, Shannon, So when we're
in also in sam Houston, this is actually where I
forget what I want to say. This was also the
second night where for whatever reason, everyone was accounted for
and we saw this kind of I did, and I
and I this is again. I have an audio where
it's I saw this pinkish or reddish light source, and
I kind of in the audio, I say, what's a
car doing in the woods? Because this was as long
or bright as like an early nineties Cadillac tail light.
You know how they were long, And that's what my
brain like, you know, it's a car doing in the woods,
Like how do you even get there? It went on,
it illumined and went off. Everyone's accounting for. I don't
know if there's any type of correlation to these things.
But what was interesting is is that the next day,
when I kind of was telling people about this light
source and we kind of went to investigate, like what's
in this area? This is actually where we came across
a what we called the cathedral because this was a
This is probably gonna make some big foot nerds twitch,
but when I say a nest right where you had
this double decker weaving of branches that when you walked
into it, this was a bi level and it was
so intricate, and there's you know, folks took pictures of it,
and we we didn't have a camera, but we had
out ego, so we're getting better. But the BFO took
pictures of it, and like this was so such an
amazing structure where it was like, okay, this wasn't too
far off from that light source. And so the problem
that I have with that is kind of going back
to our original conversation, Like our initial conversation was what
set of defense are you want when these things happen?
Because okay, there's a light source, call it an ORB
that's been documented. Candidly, I will call that documented, But
I can't connect the two. What did the two have
in common? Why is one? Why are they both here?
But yet like one was completely one hundred and eighty
degrees from each other and obviously nowhere you know, I'll
say nowhere in like the vicinity of what was happening.
So it just you know, you end up finding yourself
potentially leaving the woods asking more questions. That's perfectly fine,
but I think that's also kind of what stirs the
pot on the topic. And our is sounds much more woo,
more physical, like it just it's that's a.
Speaker 2: Challenge Sam Houston. That's also place that I've been that
is a It's a very unique place because the terrain
changes so greatly as you're moving through that entire area.
It's more kind of open, almost an aspen type utah
where there's not a lot of ground cover and thorny stuff,
and then you move into the thorny, nasty stuff, and
then you go into swamps. And did you guys, did
you guys run into the packs of dogs? Did you
see any dogs while you were there? Like, that's a
huge problem in the sam Houston is feral, massive package dogs.
Speaker 3: We're told about that, yeah, but didn't experience any of that.
What I One family member reported that they were walking
up by the stench of onions and urine and just
garbage and it like brushed the tent. Now, granted, the
location that we got moved to Shannon was truly like
Grand Central Station, Like we couldn't be have been further
than fifty yards from like the toilets, but the fact
that this had brushed the tent. The family member heard
like the squeaky, you know, vinyl tent sound, and then
like kind of open up their eyes smelled it and
was like what in the hell is that like gross?
Immediately like gross, but that's not the way the wind
was blowing. So because the group was like, well, because
they shared that information, and it was like, well was it?
Was it the dumpsters? How do you know it wasn't
the dumpster? It was like, because do you smell the dumpsters? Now? No,
you don't like that. We didn't smell. This was like pulling.
But the dog thing like that, I mean, which makes
me kind of wonder like, could that have been a dog?
But I don't know why would it be just the one?
I would assume that they'd travel in packs and the
one wouldn't just be wandering around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not impossible, but probably doubtful because I think that's
kind of one of the one of the big things
about it is they just travel in these packs of
varying sizes. So and then the smell on top of
that that is said to come and go and be
so strong when it comes in.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never smelled anything strange in the woods for
any reason that I was like, oh, maybe that's a
big No. Never has never happened. But as we well
know that it's not always the case when these things
are around for whatever reasons, and some bathe I guess
more than others, you know, or lack their up.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some are just a little bit cleaner, someoney.
Speaker 3: Someone had talking with someone on podcasts and they were
saying that, well, maybe that's a defense mechanism to be
able to like discrete some type of an odor skunk. Sure, like,
let's just call it that. What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2: I mean, so it's not that they're staying dirty and smelly,
it's that they have some kind of a gland, possibly
like it's a It's okay, I mean yeah, why not
that that would make sense?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's just it. Number one. Can't prove it or
disprove it. So yeah, it's your discretion, but it's it
was said, and I was like, well, that would be
a crazy evolutionary trait potentially to be like I want
you auto here, so I'm going to start stinking.
Speaker 2: Yeah, or maybe it's just you know they yeah, yeah, yeah,
Frank the tank over here and he smells like garbage
and urine. You know, you're like, oh, by foul.
Speaker 3: Just don't want I just want you to leave, That's
all I was trying to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like where's your secret clinical you need to you
need to roll that on. I mean that's a that's
as good of a thought as anything else, to be
honest with you, And you know, for anybody to poo
poo really any idea, I think that's a great idea.
I think that that's high. That could be highly likely too,
that it's some kind of a gland or that they
choose to they're like on button and you know, that
would be very effective if we're going to.
Speaker 3: And I have a zapping story, at least what I
believe is a zapping story.
Speaker 2: Oh what were you doing, keV, let's hear it. What
did you do?
Speaker 3: You know? So this was in Gifford Pinchot in Washington
and again me a close friend and a relative, like,
I gotta say, gang going threes three to me is
such a magical number and go in the moonlight. I
think it's a fantastic like combination and just a little
psa bigfoot fellow nerds like start sharing your stories and
like sharks, start sharing your your fishing holes, like we
gotta we gotta do this together. But we so we
were three and this is actually a time where we said, okay,
we're gonna do some we're gonna do some gifting. So
we had some blueberries, well the whole thing of blueberries,
just like we're gonna just leave this whole like little
carra and open it up, leave it here. And I
was like, let's just try and truly like sit here,
start a fire. But everyone just kind of close your
eyes and talk to whatever might be out there. And
I remember doing this and seeing like, you know, I
don't know if it was the flicker of fire, but
just seeing a lot of shapes and just you and
I know people are thinking, oh, he was on something. Okay,
I had it like two beers, so sat down, but
just remember kind of like this openness is what we're
trying to do and zero ill will intent of course,
like we're not packing any protection, Like I don't even
think we had bear spray. Any type of machete was
like in a trunk and like what are you going
to do with that anyways to anything. So we said,
there's blueberris here. We're just opening ourselves up, love to
have an experience. You know, you're welcoming to our camp.
Take anything you want. Right, nothing happened. We all decided
to kind of go to bed, but then I woke
up and truly didn't know. I felt so ill. I
was like, oh my gosh, and my food poisoned from
like the you know stop shot that we you know,
the restaurant whatever or that that we stopped at before
we got to the you know, our camp here. But
everyone ate the exact same thing, besides the fact that
I had horse radis were like Worshshire sauce on my sandwich,
which I don't think would have caused what happened there.
But immediately woke up, it was like, oh my gosh,
I'm going to be sick or I'm gonna you know,
it's is it springtime or is it autumn? Is the
best way I can kind of share that, right, like
which end is it going to come out of?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: And so, but then I look over to my relative
who's sleeping in this, you know, the car seat next
to me, and I was and they were going through something,
and I was like, what's going on with you? And
They're like, I just can't sleep, I feel anxious. I
think I'm going to have I'm scared. Like they're like,
are you okay? And I was like, yeah, I feel
like absolute crap. But like I need to like leave
because I don't know what's going to happen. I don't
want to do it in the car. And so they
were kind of going through some type of things, which
was canded the first time I've ever experienced this. I remember
going through something like that which it broke my heart.
I didn't know how to help them. I didn't know
how to help myself. And as I leave the vehicle
to try to figure out, like, Okay, what tree am
I going to like lean or sit against? Then I
look at the other friend and now they are They
were sleeping one minute, so okay, they're sleeping. But then
as I try to find something to you know, just
like what am I doing? How am I feeling? Like
trying to tune into myself, The next thing I noticed
is that they have a bushel of logs that they're
carrying around to try to start a fire. And I'm like,
what are you doing? And there said, well, you're making
so much noise. I you know, I was going to
start a fire. I'm like, it's the middle of the night, Like,
why are you starting a fire in shan This is
kind of the weird thing. But then the next thing
that and was like, as I'm still trying to figure
out like what I'm what I'm trying to do, and
trying to find, you know, some type of water or something.
And the next thing I know, I looked at again
and this person's now in their tent and they didn't
start a fire.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: And so I'm like, so the time of a lot
of the things that were happening were just mind blowing,
and it was really hard not to worry about this
family member, worry about me physically what was happening, worry
about the fact that this friend was like up and
down with wood and now sleeping. Now he wasn't. Now
he is, what's happening? And then like we we kind
of so everything subsided. But then when we kind of
talked about it the next morning, we couldn't really describe
why things happened the way they did and why I
felt the way I did, because I didn't feel that
way anymore. Why this family member was having kind of
a mental issue was happening, Why this other friend thought
that they needed to build a fire right away but
then like didn't, and there it just was it just
didn't make sense. So that's kind of where I say Okay,
I don't know. The only thing I could say was
we opened ourselves up to for this potential creature to
a reader minds, because we were trying to be more
on the wu side that night. Come in, have these blueberries.
Take them. We're not going to hurt you, do nothing.
But we certainly got affected by whatever presence was in
that area, and we were I'll put it this way though,
that we were so distraught that morning we didn't even
check on the blueberries, which was it's hard to do
when a certain circumstant Im'm sure the listeners are like,
you got to be kidding. You took me through that
whole story. Didn't even check the blueberries. Yeah, because when
you go through a night like that, it's like, you
know what, we're good. I don't know what it is.
We're gonna leave it alone and give it a space.
We'll try it with something or something else next time.
But that was the zapping story, if you will.
Speaker 2: All right, that's actually pretty fascinating unfortunate though for all
of you. That sounds like a terrible night of camping.
Talk about varying levels of effects for everybody. So the
next morning, the person that was carrying the logs is
most concerning to me. Did they did they? Well, I
do feel bad that you are so sick, you know,
but at least you seem to be of sound mind
that the person carrying the logs. Did they remember the
next day carrying logs saying I need to build a fire.
Did they remember any.
Speaker 3: Of that fade? They did? They were like, yeah, I
was cold. I thought I was going to start a fire.
But then they they were just like, yeah, but I didn't.
So I was like, but you took all that energy
to go get the logs like you were. You were
walking around like I remember as I was having a
moment that they were gathering things like I could kind
of see them. But it also freaked me out because
in that moment, chin and I was like, and the
first time I'll say it, I was like, what if
this is a sasquatch telling, you know, making me think
that I'm seeing my friend gather wood but it's not.
And that was a very eerie feeling. Where then I
started to kind of go into a little bit of
a spiral myself mentally, and I was like, Okay, I'm
I'm tapping out, but this this the friend did it
but then didn't do anything of it, and he was like,
I can't candidly, I don't think he could say why
he gathered would and then didn't do anything with it.
Speaker 2: So were you pretty relieved then to hear that he
remembered at least starting to do that action. You were
probably like, oh, thank goodness, I do, but.
Speaker 3: No, one he can't answer why he didn't go through
with it. Yeah, to to do all of that and
then to not do anything with it, and especially after
I told him that, like, hey, I think we're going
through something, he was he was on his own like
path at that point for the night.
Speaker 2: Okay, because I tend to be a dark person anyway,
so it's easy for me to go here. But if
they you know, if they have these kinds of abilities
to make your friend, you know, go gather logs and
I'm I'm cold. But wait, now I changed my mind,
you know? Did so did they change their minds with
whatever that they were doing to him and say okay,
we're done with him. He can go, you can go
lay down, he doesn't need to, you know, keep on
doing this path. But does that mean then that if
if they continue to do something like this, especially with
somebody who is alone, or if they incapacity, like your
your other, your fam your family member was the one
having like the panic attack. Right, So if certain people
are incapacitated and they felt like take your your friend
with the logs, my mind just instantly goes to missing people.
And if they follow all the way through with something
like that, I mean, he could have just walked off
into the woods or something.
Speaker 3: Well, the funny thing is is we were all sleeping.
We had zero, zero defenses. They could have this thing
entity whatever you want to call it, could have come
in full on, taken whatever it wanted and left. I mean,
there's stealthy enough. Yeah, I can't understand why unless and
I thought you were going to go here, unless we
opened ourselves up to a different entity of the forest.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's where I was going next is I honestly,
the part of me goes, I don't even know if
this is a bigfoot thing, you know at all?
Speaker 3: Like this was this was a weird and we're having
such a good time to initially right like.
Speaker 2: It's going so well, but it.
Speaker 3: Was, yeah, it was going so well, and then it
was like then later on checking with this family member
apparently they yeah, they were having some concerns. But then
when I started to oh, I don't know if I
feel well, and I got to get out of this car,
like I just I got to leave and leave. That
I think struck a chord with them because obviously they
were concerned about my health, and like, where do we go?
What do I do? What did I just get this
loved one?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: What situation? And that's a spiraling thought and feeling. All
I can say was, again, I think if we would
have checked the blueberries and seeing that they were either
there or not, that would have full on changed the story.
But I feel like it's worth saying. It goes to
a lot of other bigfooters stories where they're there for
a purpose, they might even be solo camping. They have
some type of disturbance or brush racket that happens, and
it scares them enough that even though their sole purpose
is to have an experience, they get scared out of
their wits and they can't take it anymore and they leave.
It's such a common tale, I think with bigfooters, where
you're so hell bent on having an experience that you
think you can handle it, but then when it comes
down to it, and when like that rubber is on
the road and that brushes you know, there sounds like
a boulder coming through or a rhinoceros or whatever you
want to call it coming through that brush like that
causes such a flight signal in your brain where I
just it's hard to fight that. It's super hard to
fight that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that was not me diminishing what you went
through or your family member that was having the panic attack,
because the whole thing is actually I mean, when you
really think about it, I mean it's it's you know,
there's a little giggle here and there, but that's honestly,
it's a scary situation. I mean, when you really think
about it, that's very very terrifying and unnatural and very
intrusive and rude. Really, whoever or whatever did that, it
like it's sleeping. So yeah, And also, I mean the
other side of this is, like you said, it could
have just left you asleep and came in and got
whatever the hell they wanted. But they decided to do
all these theatrics and give me you guys for entertainment
or something.
Speaker 3: That's a hell of a viewpoint for entertainment. And I don't.
I mean, and you could think of it this way too.
There are humans who love mischief, and although we weren't
necessarily asking for that, you know, this is totally let's
just theorize here for a second. We're opening ourselves up. Hey, Sasquatch,
there's food here, there's blueberries. You love blueberries, don't yet
Sasquatch said, oh yeah, Hey, we're getting the sense that
the you know, the little hair, Yeah, the little hairlessens
little green take offense to that, Shannon.
Speaker 2: You could have picked another way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could have said anything. The two okay, but
the little green men right are saying, I hope we're
picking up a signal they got they got food or
bluebirds for us, right, whatever they call it. You know what,
that's cool. Check this out, Roy, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, exactly,
hold my pond water. Check this out.
Speaker 2: Or maybe there was never a big foot out there
to begin with. And the second that you shut your
eyes and you go, we're just here. We come in peace,
we're chill, we don't have Yeah. Something else is like
a Friday night, let's go party time.
Speaker 3: Hey, demon Roy, check this.
Speaker 2: Out, Demon Roy and Demon Gary. I tell you what
those boys go those do on that. Yes, tell you what?
So what about what about lasting effects besides the trip?
I mean really that was a traumatic little event that happened.
So what about physical lasting effects physical not not not
how it I want to ask this after, but just
a physical side first?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: None, Okay, that's good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean no more than well, perhaps when I
saw the shadow person up at Duluth the Insane Asylum,
that was probably more lasting than anything else. Yeah, but
this was not This was I mean, this affected me
just because we couldn't really put our finger on why
we were all having an episode or doing weird stuff
and or not, you know, doing something not doing something right.
And then but you tend to kind of compart to
mentally that And I've heard others on your show say
the same thing, and it's like, yeah, because what else
can you do? Yeah, I mean, and I guess. I
mean I have I have two fears in the forest,
which I'll share. It's like, yeah, I will be honest
and vulnerable to say that, Yes, one of my fears
is experiencing a sasquatch like but one of my fears
is also seeing it and then not being able to
go ever back into the forest, because that is a
very common tale with hunters, especially where forty fifty years
hunting and then they see something it's like I can't
go back to where I hunted as a child like that.
That stucks. Yeah, but I feel like that's where if
you can partmentalize it and say like, yeah, that happened
like and then I think for me, I try to
play that off. The logic side of me kicks sin says, Okay,
maybe I was food poisoned. Maybe this person had too
much to drink. Maybe this other person was in fact
cold and then hot or just felt like gathering firewood
and said, oh screw it. It's like I'm too tired
for this and didn't want to do it. Super logical,
super appropriate. So I think most of me tries to
explain it off in the logical sense. So that's why
I've kind of like I call it zapping. I call
it you know, it just happened. But it was a
weird enough circumstance to where I think it's interesting because
we were trying to again be open enough mentally and
energetically to contact a quote unquote ass watch and potentially
what read our thoughts like, don't I don't know if
I don't know if there is any logical like framing
of that.
Speaker 2: So do you think then that you will ever ever
attempt to go out into the woods and try that
tactic again?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you know why. I'm a silly lizard human
bringing person. It says, well, I didn't learn my lesson,
and until I get burned by the stove, I'm going
to continue to touch it. That's the type of person.
Speaker 2: You want spring and summer at the same time. keV,
give it, let's go, I only had one before.
Speaker 3: No, I don't want spring, and.
Speaker 2: Let's bring it autumn. There we go. Yeah. Yeah, it's
no fun, is it.
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: I mean we can wear diapers, but you can't really
hide it if you're wearing such a thing.
Speaker 3: That's why I say you want to sit or lean
against the tree. It's like, I'm just.
Speaker 2: Gonna lay on my side. I guess. Thanks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, lay there and cry between bouts.
Speaker 3: This is an awesome podcast.
Speaker 2: Everyone's gonna love this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, check this out.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, Shannon's talking about poop again. That's that's
pretty much as she rolls brown pants. Yeah, it happens.
It happens. I'm sorry everyone.
Speaker 3: I did not mean it wholehearted. I didn't mean to
bring me down.
Speaker 2: Even Sam would be like, Oh, we're gonna talk about
poop again today, Shannon. Great, Yeah, I've been doing that
for a long time for some reason. Yeah, we're gonna close.
Speaker 3: On more.
Speaker 2: So okay, So then how has it changed? Has it
changed it all for any three of you. I don't
know how often they go out for the purposes of
bigfoot or camping or fishing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my my friend he's he's actually in Boring, Oregon,
so he's he's close with Cliff and Okay, Yeah, he's
very in tuned to the Sasquatch you know, vibe and
things like that. I remember. I just think it's their
age of I mean it was. It's a lot to
get out to that area, especially if you're flying, you know, right,
So they might be in a different you know, headspace
with it literally, But for myself, I try to do
what I can do. So we're actually going to Canada.
This is up in like the Lockdo Mills area of Canada, Ontario.
It's really more camping with a purpose at least for me.
But then going to the up in September obviously, after
or before hunting season starts, so it's not stopped me
so much. And of course, with all the things that
I'm doing with book writing and trying to make this
topic as accessible as possible the children, I gotta got
to keep moving forward.
Speaker 2: Has Clifford about this zapping incident, especially since the log
guy is right there? And I mean, what does Cliff
say about that?
Speaker 3: I haven't. I haven't specifically told Cliff. Potentially my friend
has because they're close. But Cliff's also pretty I mean,
he's open, I think to these but until and we
always had these experiences where he's had, you know, zappik instances,
and so I think it's I think it's a part
of Cliff's arena. But I don't know if I've yet
to hear him say that he's having experienced himself.
Speaker 2: It's just that level of confusion. I mean, at least
he remembered doing it the next day. But that's kind
of freaky, man. And was it in fact really cold
where you? I mean, building a fire wouldn't be insane.
Speaker 3: I mean I was sweating through my shirt because I
didn't know what was happening.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, Okay, you.
Speaker 3: Want to go back to that topic.
Speaker 2: Dude, that weird.
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, I was, I was exploding somewhere
or another.
Speaker 2: Okay, but okay, So but without your sickness though, where
was it actually cold? I mean to where a fire
would be cookie or not cookie. Rather, a fire would
be a normal thing to.
Speaker 3: Build amount of wood that this person it was almost
as if he was going to start a blaze.
Speaker 2: Oh my gracious, like a bonfire, like you all are
going to have a bonfire while you're just like he.
Speaker 3: And I was like, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: Wow? That's honestly, keV, that's pretty freaky, dude, that's a
really weird I would be freaked out.
Speaker 3: The family member was just in the car just like
this is all going out.
Speaker 5: I know what.
Speaker 2: Everyone's got their own thing.
Speaker 3: Everyone had their own weird thing happening. And so please
tell me that you've heard something like this before.
Speaker 2: I have not exactly this situation, but I definitely have
where there's it does seem like there's they talk about infrasound.
There's confusion, there's sickness. But I have to say, I
don't know. There's just something about your friend carrying those
logs around and being so adamant that I gotta start
this fire with this crap ton of wood, and then
going nope, just kidding. Do you remember if he like,
if he just I just gathered all and it must
have taken time to gather all that damn wood up.
Speaker 3: Which is why I was having like damn near hallucinations.
Shannona play right, it's not really my friend. Oh that's
a sasquatch pretending to be my friend who's walking around
the camp now taking things, and like it just was
a weird, weird moment.
Speaker 2: Moment unless it was a sasquatch and he implanted, you know,
the thoughts of the friend actually carrying the logs when
he actually wasn't carrying the logs. There could be all
kind of tomfoolery going on. Who knows sure, but it.
Speaker 3: Wasn't shared with Cliff. I at least I don't think.
I don't know if Cliff, I mean Cliff had let
him speak himself on that topic. But it's like, listen,
there's these things that happen, and at least folks like
Bobo haven't happened to them where they can kind of
corroborate the fact that like, yeah, you things happen like
this Running LeBlanc, I think was also another one of
Expedition Bigfoot where he was taken out like what the
entire season damn near the first season of Expedition Bigfoot
because he had a migraine and like he got zapped
like that was they kind of wrote him off the
show because of that potential instance. So I don't doubt
that things. I mean, it happens enough in these instances
and it will bring any person potentially to tears or
to say, I've like I'm tapping out. But this is
where I go back. I'm like, depending upon how big
that bigfoot bug bite is, like it might not deter you,
like it candidly, it hasn't deterred me or Bobo or
any anyone or or Ronnie like it's it's so it's
it happens, but like you work through it mentally, and
you because I don't think we have those answers of
truly what is it? Was it truly that Bigfoot? Was
it something else? You give the sasquatch some grace, and
this is I realized how kind of silly that might sound,
but like you give sasquatch some grace to be like, No,
this is the thing I've been looking forward to since
I was a child, Like, I'm going to give it
the room to potentially like show me different the next
time I goes you know, bigfooting or whatever.
Speaker 2: Well, on the other side of that is I mean,
I've talked to it like Chris Uh. He's over in
the Mogi on Rim and he had debilitating work injury
that decimated his hand and up to his arm. And
I've done several Patreon chafts of him too, where we
delved into this more but his experience, and I guess
you would say he's full on on the quote unquote
WU side, right. Everyone loves that three letter word, but
they get they get spoken to telepathically. But he feels
like he has been healed by going out and interacting
with at least this particular group of sass bottel. You know,
they're they're not making him given them explosive diarrhea and
all that. So that's nice.
Speaker 3: You know that that happened. I didn't say that. I
didn't say that. I didn't describe that.
Speaker 2: Just for the record, Yeah, let's just back it up.
You just said I just wasn't feeling well, Shannon, come on,
don't put words on my mount please. You were editorializing
my symptoms.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're it's a great pr.
Speaker 2: You're like, well, I won't list this on my website.
Whoa you're You're like I was just on coast to
coast and they were so professional, and then I go
to to I T I thinks, I'm so.
Speaker 3: Looking forward to this. About this is this is the
human element of going on on big footing, Like there
are things that happen, and yeah, you have to laugh
about this if you were if it's if you weren't
truly bodily harmed or mentally, physically whatever it is. But
like if you're still maybe you're okay that next morning
you can have coffee. You can then like you're pretty
we have a beer or whatever it is, to like relax,
like you're fine. And I think that that's perhaps like
the biggest like highlight of this story is that everyone
was fine with a story. Everyone continues to love this topic.
We can't explain what happened, but like we move on
and like that to me is perhaps like the most
important thing. And it is super unfortunate when I hear
these stories of these hunters or wherever of not feeling
as if they can go back to this area where
they love, like, oh, that's that's I couldn't imagine being
able to do that, right, So yeah, for whatever that's worth.
Speaker 2: And can I just say, and on a serious note,
but I do appreciate the fact that you actually you
share every aspect of what occurred, especially with you, right,
like I mean, I thank you, thank you for doing that,
because it's easy to leave certain parts out or just
not tell the story at all, which we know happens
a lot, which I do wish. I think it's slowly
even though there's a million podcasts now, I think it's
getting a little bit more ECST. But no matter what,
there's gonna be people that are going to I'm gonna
tell us all that this happened because it's just too weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I the reason why I tell it is
because I think it's important. A because again it's interesting.
It seems like our conversation is all about space, right.
You have to give those who have these stories this
space to tell it, and you're allowing me the space
when you're show and tell these stories, and hopefully it
gives others some of that, you know, selas to think, oh, okay,
I've been that that happened to me. I should maybe
tell my best friend or whomever. But yeah, it's it's
so important to share this because I think that there's
these are all data points, and I think that this
is why, whether it's the BFO or anyone else's mission
to kind of collect these stories, perhaps yourself, Shannon, to
collect these stories, I wish And this kind of goes
back to AI perhaps right where it's like we can
feed AI all these stories and map out what is
it that exactly like statistically are we getting at? Is
this more like what is this more on the spectrum
of all of these stories. I think that would be
such an amazing data point to have of where this
potential topic lies on, because at the end of the day,
for me, it's like, well, is it truly more wou
or is it truly paranormal whatever you want to call it,
or is it truly more scientific like nope, this was
a flesh and blood thing, and that would be such
an amazing data point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I agree that I the more data points
that we have, the better, So I just but I
always say this because even if it's a more tongue
in cheek or embarrassing detail, or maybe it's a detail
that someone thinks is so so innocuous, so tiny, I
shouldn't even I don't know why I'm going to mention this,
but I'll just mention it. And sometimes it's that little
detail that gets three other people to email me and
they're like, oh my gosh, that's how I know they're
telling the truth, you know, like I believe them because
they said this. What that was just one little thing?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, which is which makes this You're the
first person to ever focus on the friend gathering the logs,
because that is something that hearing the story was like,
well why were they? Well what compelled them to do so?
And then not follow through? I mean that sounds like
something like I don't know, Boris Karloff as Dracula being
like you're you know, you're attracted, you know, look into
my eyes and then like, hey, I'm done with you
like that just kidding. It's like yeah, right, And so
that to me is you're making me think about that,
and I'm like, I couldn't. It's a very interesting if
that's let's just say that's the case, very interesting detail.
And I don't know what to make of that now,
So thank you for that.
Speaker 2: I appreciate it, like took it dark. Thanks. That's concerning great.
Speaker 3: Now I have to call and be like, are you okay?
Speaker 2: Did you walk off into the woods at any point
while I was asleep? While we were asleep, Well.
Speaker 3: I was enjoying life for you good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean people, and you've said it, and I
appreciate so much that you said this, and I'm right
there with you because I'm also on the page. I
want to see big foot. I need to see it.
I need I need to see it for myself to
know one. And you know, I do believe that they're
out there.
Speaker 3: But you have to be careful, worried about the facts
that are going to have on you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to be careful because we've both heard horrifying,
horrible tales and you said it. The best way to
say it is like this hunter they forty fifty years
as their favorite thing to do, and they've they've there
now they're my neighbor in Vegas. Because they don't even
want to see any woods anymore, you know it something horrible, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Because they don't want to be worn near a forest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that is so, that's so sad, that's
it's something they'd love to do. I've heard, We've heard
that time and again. And there's so many varying levels
of this topic that you just don't know what your
what that situation's going to look like. And you sure
as heck can't pick it.
Speaker 3: No, no, but the question doesn't pick you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right right, because that whole night, you guys could
have sat in the cars and had a campfire and
roasted some mollows and not heard or seen a dang thing.
And if you hadn't have closed your eyes and asked
for it, would that have happened anyway? So I can't say,
come on, keV, you need to give me the answers.
I'm just kidd Okay, you're an expert. I want to
talk to the experts that know everything. I love those.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, sorry, you have to pretend.
Speaker 2: Okay, So let's actually talk about Bigfoot archive and then
of course your your books. Now that we've gotten all
the other the D word out of the way, demons
and the other D word, let's talk about Bigfoot archive first.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Bigfoot archive was kind of a thought of
this friend who knew that I was collecting all of
this bigfoot stuff and books, magazines, anything that told the
wild man Sasquatch story at a global scale. And so
this is where you know I was. Part of me
was trying to differentiate myself from say Barrickman's museum at
the North American Bigfoot Center, that's a lot about prints
and the science of it, and so there are others
as well in the country. But for me, it was like,
there's an angle potentially here of the global story, not
just North America. And as well as that, the there's
a there's a medium story here, right, whether that's in
a board game, whether that's in a magazine, whether it's
in a newspaper, whether it's in a book, audio, video, movie. Right,
these are all things that are happening around this planet
that are centered around this topic. So, now this is
a bit of an expensive goal because you have to
acquire these things, but I thought it was necessary because
it's telling a story, and that story is that these
things are truly out there and that you know, when
we look at say sorry to hear those things. If
you look at say, you know, the abominable Stima Legend
Come to Life by Ivan Sanderson. You know, this is
a really fantastic book of the exploration of the yetty
and similar cryptids around the world. Right, So Sanderson really
combines all the field research, folklore, first handing accounts to
presents a really comprehensive look at the evidence and theories
surrounding this creature. And so I think that that, to
me is where I was kind of taking that and saying,
what if I were to gather the magazines that he
lists in the back of his book, what if I
were to take the board games and all these things
that kind of drive kind of the psyche of this
topic into the forefront into mainstream domain. And so that's
what the Bigfoot Archive is really all about. And so
I literally post every Monday and Thursday as much as
I can, whether it's a different book, medium, things like that,
but give a little bit of a background too as
to like why this is so important. So that's that's
really what the Bigfoot Archive is all about.
Speaker 2: And that's Instagram, right or do you are you also
on Twitter and all the others or is that just
specifically on Twitter?
Speaker 3: On Facebook?
Speaker 2: I don't blame you for not being on Twitter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I can go into why I'm not,
but like, that's that's easiest for one person to kind
of put all their chatch keys up in one area.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I understand that, trust me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Bigfoot archive on Instagram. And the books. Okay, Billy Finds
Bigfoot was your first, and the latest one is Is
It Real or Not?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and a little bit of a news update. The
true latest is Cedar's Soup Day. That is for kind
of a just like two to five, but candidly, anyone
who just loves Bigfoot books, this is a great one.
But yeah, Billy Find's Bigfoot was my first, and then
is It Really or Not? Was my second.
Speaker 2: So Cedar Soup Day is about to be released then,
because I did write that down, but.
Speaker 3: Or already is available on Amazon as well as Barnes
and Noble. And that is more of my attempt to
do claymation. I always wanted to do that. But this
is a very simple, more again picture book kind of
intro story, and you could potentially look at it as
you could do Theedar Soup Day as they get older
and read them a bed time story. The littles in
your life. You could do Billy Fine's Bigfoot and then
as they Gident's Middle School, say eight years old and above,
they can do is it real or not? But yeah,
Theedar soupd is just a very simple story about a
Sasquatch named Cedar. He wants to wake up one day
and he says, no, what, Today's a good day for
soup and he goes mushroom hunting.
Speaker 2: They're so cute. The children's books with any anything having
to do with Bigfoot. I just love and you do
write under like I mentioned, keV Kyev, just like it
sounds keV listars. So you can find those books on Amazon,
Barnes and Noble and of course Bigfoot Archive on Instagram,
but I'll have everything linked. Did you want to mention
any other any socials or anything that you wanted to mention, you.
Speaker 3: Know, so yeah, the Bigfoot Archive on Instagram. Please give
me a follow. But then if you like, you know
some Bigfoot merch, Sasquatch things, T shirts, whatever, you can
find that on Pine Shadow Design that's on that s.
You can also find Billy Fan's Bigfoot on Doug Hicheck's
publishing company, Hanger One Publishing, which I mean, if you
want to talk about lightning striking. It's the story of
meeting Doug hi Check for the first time in the
Wisconsin forest and just letting him know that I had
a Bigfoot children's book ready and he would just so
happen to be like in the market for more Bigfoot
children's books, and so I got signed. So that was
kind of how Doug and I started a report and
got signed. But also, if you want to talk about
strange things following a person, Doug is he's got high
strangeness following him wherever he goes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some people sure do. And I don't know if
it's like if you had any I'm sure that you
would have mentioned this.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: I forgot to ask keV when was the Gifford Pinchot
zapping incident? When did that occur?
Speaker 3: Uh? Twenty twenty twenty?
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Did you have any any any weird
stuff happened at home after that?
Speaker 3: No? But I will say the weird things that happened
at home were when I did do more of the
ghost hunting thing, and that was my one and only
time up at that insane asylum at Duluth, Minnesota. I
actually had a I mean, so we were in this hallway.
And again, this is like a group of like ten
to fifteen folks right already feeling a lot of things.
And perhaps I'm a sensitive person, but we were in
the basement kind of celler started to feel very strange.
But then once we got up to towards like the
main floor, we were all kind of like, all, you know,
all there's a hallway, people are leaning against this wall,
people are learning leaning against another and I'm to like
just adjust my feet. But what I saw was a
full on like shadow figure. Because you can kind of
see a light where people are standing things, but this
thing was so black it blocked out the light, and
I thought that someone was in like what I saw
was someone in a feel position, lying on the floor.
And I literally went on my tiptoes because I thought
I was going to fall on this person. So like
I literally went on my tiptoes and like leaned back,
and I was like my thought process was, what the
hell is someone doing laying on the floor, Like who
is laying the floor right now? But then kind of,
you know, blink or whatever, and this figure was gone.
I didn't say anything, Shannon until the one of the
leaders and one of the leaders of the group, was like, oh, sorry,
I didn't mean to hit you with my backpack. Oh
whoa wait, that was super weird. I thought I just
was going to hit someone with my backpack, and but
they're not there. And so then I said, okay, time out.
Turn on the lights right, like, get this place lit up,
although they couldn't, and I was like, okay, I just
got to stop the group. I'm sorry. I swear I
just saw that same figure by my feet. I thought
I was going to fall on them. And so explained
the situation. And I will say that I don't know
if it was necessarily that figure or that situation, but
like it was a steady couple of years of not
feeling mentally whole, and it continued and visited Las Vegas.
There's a specific museum. I'm sorry. I'm just not going
to mention it because it also continued the mental illness. Yeah,
I know, I know, you know ye, And so it
was just like I got did not deal with this stuff.
Speaker 2: I used to. Did you go in the the last room?
Speaker 3: Is that why I saw all of it?
Speaker 2: Do you think that's why that was because you went
in the in the basement section.
Speaker 3: No, I think because there was I mean, just a.
Speaker 2: Whole place in general, probably.
Speaker 3: All of that section is just not fun, right. I
guess it's just you're you're holding onto things that aren't
particularly energetically.
Speaker 2: Positive, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: And so but the thing is, these things were happening
way before then. So again I kind of liken it
too well. I associate it with potentially that maybe it
was in a bad relationship, which is also true at
that point in time. But boy, just one thing after
another with just not feeling mentally whole for few years
and kind of like the big thing, like you you
figure out ways to get past it and to confront things,
and you know, I do consider myself a bit lucky
in those instances where it's like, yeah, I think those
years are past me now, Like sure they creep up
here and there, but it's you find ways to work
through it. But that particularly so when you talk about
you know, clingers, if that's you know, kind of what
you're referring to, that would be probably the only time
where I was like, those were those were unfortunate couple
of years.
Speaker 2: See, And I mean, honestly, I think most people would
count me lucky, of course, And I do too when I.
Speaker 3: Talk to places.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I went to Fox Hello Farm and I
slept in the basement right next to the pool where
he did all these horrible things and he killed these
people and there's bodies buried and nothing happened. Zero. I
didn't bring anything home. And that is good, Yeah, actually
so great. Not the first night, but it was just
there was so much going on, and I mean, Robert
was so amazing showing me everything everywhere we walked it anyway,
But and I realized that how stupid that sounds to
sound like I'm so bummed out? Did I you know,
nothing horrible and terrifying and happened.
Speaker 3: One night, but like when something happens like month after
month or week after week after month after well.
Speaker 2: Right, And that's where I was going is you can
people will go to a place and have something happen
and that's why they went there, And others can leave
and there's a cool story from one night, others that
might have been in that same room, Like you, well,
you have a little you got a little gum on
your shoe now and you're gonna be dealing with that.
And the problem is and not that I'm saying and
honestly the mental aspect of it, and and just feeling
down or feeling blue or sad or not being able
to deal with things that we normally deal with things horrible.
But it's not just oh there's knocking, Oh there's knocking
at night, or oh I see a shadow out of
the corner of my eye. Sometimes it is just this
internal battle that has started and you don't know why.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, to me, that's the most intrusive.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely that's the worst.
Speaker 3: And you see that. I saw something in the court
of my eye the other the other day and I
was like, okay, well what right, Like it just happens, right,
But no, this feeling was very particular for a very
long time. But there's resources, whether it's therapy, whether it's
you know, talking to a loved one, whether it's sharing
your experience. And again this is why full circle where
it's just comes back to like if you have a
friend or loved one or even acquaintance or whatever who's
sharing something with you, they're doing it to be vulnerable
and you know, just just listen, right and just yeah,
even though you might not be able to reciprocate, it's
like it's totally it's but it's it's when those things happen.
But yeah, you've got to really be strong and like
try to move past it the best you can. And
I feel like I have. But and I don't know
if it's the last room of this place because there
was one room in particular, or I was like, uhh,
this is not do.
Speaker 2: You feel comfortable to say which room? I've been there
a couple of times.
Speaker 3: So I don't even remember what trum it was, but like,
do I identify it? I don't want to put that
out there per ses shanting.
Speaker 2: No, it's okay, No, no, yeah, absolutely, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3: I wasn't trying to story, but this story is like, yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I get it.
Speaker 3: Someone's antenna is up for a specific place, right, because
then they're like, oh this person had yeah no no, no,
I just don't want to ruin anyone else.
Speaker 2: Yes, no, you're right, you're right. So did you and
this again, if this might also be I don't want
to talk about this and that's completely fun. Did you
did you ever think, oh maybe I should have a
like a cleansing of some sort or did you go
down that route?
Speaker 3: Or no I didn't. I'm well I might have tried
to do either white or green sage in an apartment
that I lived at in Chicago because I just had
had it. But then it smells so much like cigars. Yeah,
and I don't know if I did the right stage.
So it's like ultimately I didn't have anyone to do
anything before me, but what I did then have is
just more and this is more like relational therapy type
of things. And but I got to say, like it
it just it's it kind of comes from within, like
you've got to find what makes you happy and what
makes you whole and grounded. Right, So like that to
me is you know, the if if it's any consolation
to these hunters or anyone who's had some type of experience,
whether it's ghost related, AI related or Bigfoot related, in
this is me potentially taking some of my own medicines.
Like you maybe have to go have to go back
to where you know you had the biggest challenge with
something after the fact. Now granted I will never go
back to this place in Las Vegas, but like, but
maybe somewhere along the way I should or accept the
fact that it happened, but I can move on and
that that's not who I am today, because I think
that's a big thing too. It's like there's so much
room or these topics to be exciting in someone's life
to like, you don't have to make it negative unless
you're particularly looking at some type of you know, demon
work or something like that. But it should be exciting,
it should be fun because we don't have a whole
lot of time when this starts, and like, why cramp
your style with anything that's that's negative. I don't know,
is that is that too?
Speaker 2: No? No, No, that's that's wonderful. And thank you for
sharing what you did about how you were feeling after
all of that and how it lasted a long time
for you and you know you pulled yourself out of that.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 2: For sharing that.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I know that it's just very mental health is a
taboo thing still to talk about, and people don't and
that's so sad. And it's a lot of people out
there need help for all kinds of various reasons. And
I have to say though, because I I'll close out
before we do a final plug of all of where
to find you. That dude laying on the ground is
so effing creepy. The fetal position. Oh, it was a
woman in a fetal position on the ground.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she had I was gonna and I thought about
when I was listening to another episode that you were having,
and I was like, oh, my gosh, that's that's who
I saw. Go ahead and pull up the like don't
smoke ads. Do you remember the one where there was
like a picture of a female who was all covered
in tar. Oh, yes, nice, that's who that was. Something
like that, like kind of like a curly ish hair,
but like, that's the just that type of female is
kind of who I saw.
Speaker 2: Oh so much. Nope, that is such a bag and
note just laying on the floor.
Speaker 3: They were in that position. I was like, oh, they're hurting.
They're still hurting. No, but yeah, or they're pretending to hurt.
Because other people saw things crawling on walls that night,
and I was like, nope, that to me was a.
Speaker 2: Nope, that's worse. That that's worse. It's an interesting world
that we live in, though. That's for sure, fun, very
usually fun, slightly terrifying, sometimes occasional brown pants.
Speaker 3: That basement, that's that is some brass and kudosi. I'm
sure I know, you know that this is nothing I
have to you know, validate for you. But goodness, that
love it lot. That's I.
Speaker 2: I loved it because I I definitely wasn't. I was there.
I was there solo except for the couple of people
that came through that you know, one one gentleman kind
of new and you know, uh, I loved it for
the investigative aspect. I didn't love it a course, for
the horrible life decimating story.
Speaker 3: Do you feel that energy?
Speaker 2: I feel nothing, keV. I am dead inside. I'm like
a psychic as a.
Speaker 3: Rock, like, oh, where's a tree?
Speaker 2: I didn't, Yeah, I didn't. It didn't feel it didn't
feel creepy at all. I mean, I think that by
the time the first night was done, because I had
just you know, come into this. It's a gorgeous house,
it's a lovely property, horses and all these things going on.
But then, you know, I I was hearing all these
different aspects of you know, what actually happened on this
property and the people that have varying opinions on it,
and looking at the articles and the rooms where these
things happened. That that built up in my mind. So
it was kind of freaky that first night, But no, nothing, Uh,
I would have I would do things differently if I
could go back. I think that, and I'm not trying
and speaking of the place here which we shall not name,
we shall not name. Who owns that place we shall
not name, But I wouldn't do it like he does
on his slightly popular show, right like poke like that,
But I would do things differently to try to elicit
some kind of our response or I was just I
think I was just trying to be so very not
that at whatever you disrespect. I was fly respectful of
the graves because they were home, they were well, I
was priend to be respectful of them because they were
they were home, and you know they're doing that. But
I should have known, like they do this all the time.
They have people over quite a bit, you know, for
such a thing. So I should have just been more
more comfortable to do that. And I wish I could,
Uh I could do that again. It's not an impossibility.
I still speak to Robert occasionally, but but they were
there's one. They're just wonderful people.
Speaker 3: And uh what I wonder if because of those wonderful people,
the energy is changing.
Speaker 2: It could be it could be, and right, like, do
things wear off in certain places for that very reason,
you know? Or or is there people coming through there
that maybe even unbeknownst to the Graves is trying to
release some things and maybe that's working. Right. So I
don't know, But no gum on my shoe because nobody
gives a crap about When Shannon comes around, They're like,
you're annoying. I am not even talking to you girl.
Speaker 3: You know everyone, I think everyone has gum on their shoe.
I think everybody. I think so oh energy carries.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, but I want the knocks not not at
my house.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but don't have it mentally clutter you're there's
life's too short for that. Yeah, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: All right. So last time, keV let everybody know, just
mention the Big Photo Archive again and your books.
Speaker 3: Yeah sure, so you can follow me on Instagram on
the Bigfoot Archive. Please give me a follow. You can
also find my books Big Billy Finds Bigfoot that's on
Amazon and hanging around publishing. You could find Is It
Really or Not? That's on Amazon or Barnes and Noble,
just like Cedars Soup day As on Amazon and Barnes
Noble as well. If you like bigfoot merch, you can
get that at sea at Pine Shadow Design. Other than that,
I hope to follow up with you, Shannon on my
expeditions to Canada and the up and see how that goes.
Speaker 2: I do hope that you can come back on please do.
I've enjoyed it, and I will tamp down the d discussion,
not demons the other one next time, I promise. I
think I got it out of my system, so I
feel pretty good. We'll see yeah, no upon intended, right,
Oh sorry, yeah, thanks keV.
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