1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: The infinite complaces people went to and pro fears about 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:08,080 their little affairs, serene in the assurance of their dominion 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:12,359 over this small binning fragment of solar driftwood, which, by 4 00:00:12,519 --> 00:00:16,000 chance or design, man has inherited out of the dark 5 00:00:16,199 --> 00:00:17,719 mystery of time and face. 6 00:01:00,119 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 2: On this episode of Into the Fray, I welcome Kevin 7 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:07,040 lestarje On with me. And he has of course a 8 00:01:07,159 --> 00:01:11,920 high interest in Bigfoot, like myself, and he's actually written 9 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,359 a couple of children's books, and he runs what is 10 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:20,480 called the Bigfoot Archive, and he's been out himself for 11 00:01:20,879 --> 00:01:24,519 Bigfoot for sasquaddle out in the field, So he does 12 00:01:24,719 --> 00:01:27,239 more than just write about it and talk about it 13 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:29,959 whilst sitting in a chair like we are doing right now. 14 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,879 But keV, that is your official title for your book, 15 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,040 So should I should have asked that? Should I call 16 00:01:36,079 --> 00:01:36,959 you keV or Kevin? 17 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,159 Speaker 3: keV is great, it's my author name. But then at 18 00:01:40,159 --> 00:01:43,200 the end of the day, everyone in my family, if 19 00:01:43,239 --> 00:01:45,680 you're in the inner circle, you can call me keV. Shannon, 20 00:01:45,719 --> 00:01:46,519 you can call me keV. 21 00:01:46,719 --> 00:01:50,200 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I should have asked that before we officially started. 22 00:01:50,239 --> 00:01:52,480 I apologize because I have it written down right here 23 00:01:52,599 --> 00:01:57,280 you you write under keV Lestars, so well, welcome those Yeah, 24 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,480 thank you so much. Yeah, there are worse things, right 25 00:02:00,599 --> 00:02:05,040 but still I just I try to cover my basis 26 00:02:05,079 --> 00:02:07,200 so well. Yeah, I'm so happy to be talking to you. 27 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:11,039 I've had a lot of Bigfoot centric shows lately, which 28 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:16,159 is wonderful. Sometimes it just takes me poking all of 29 00:02:16,199 --> 00:02:20,599 the algorithms and actually being better about posting and asking 30 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,280 for what I want, which lately has been more Bigfoot 31 00:02:23,439 --> 00:02:29,439 topic centric shows. And that's what has happened. And Nicole 32 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:34,599 of the Peep podcast is who put us in contact, 33 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,680 and I just want to say thank you to her 34 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,400 for doing such a thing. Yes, I appreciate that so 35 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,360 much because I feel like I know a lot of people, 36 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,360 but I don't always know everybody and for some reason, 37 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:50,479 which I feel is kind of weird sometimes when I 38 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,120 get to know someone and then they come on the 39 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,520 show and I'm kind of going, why haven't I come 40 00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:57,039 across this person before? You know, I don't know why 41 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,080 the algos work that way. 42 00:03:00,759 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 3: I knew at some point our paths was crossed. I 43 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:04,719 don't know if that's a weird thing to say or not, 44 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:07,439 but like I was I was very sure. At some point, 45 00:03:07,479 --> 00:03:09,599 I was like, we will talk. And that's how the 46 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:13,039 Bigfoot circles are. I mean, at some point you just can't. 47 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,800 You know, this community is so broad and it is 48 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,560 a community because there are certain spectrums of folks on 49 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,439 this community, right, so it really becomes almost like a 50 00:03:22,599 --> 00:03:29,319 sociology circle. And so that's where But I'm glad I 51 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,919 was able to connect with Nicole. She is an amazing person, 52 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,599 very sweet person. Was not her podcast a bit ago, 53 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:38,080 but yeah, she I'm glad she made the introduction and 54 00:03:38,159 --> 00:03:40,240 just thrilled to be here and be able to talk 55 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:40,960 with you today. 56 00:03:41,199 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: We know what's funny, keV, is that once I I 57 00:03:44,439 --> 00:03:47,319 of course looked yep, and she emailed and we're talking 58 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,639 and touch and base. I recall seeing one of your 59 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,400 books posted somewhere. I don't know which one, but I 60 00:03:53,479 --> 00:03:55,800 just like, I love the covers of your book. They're 61 00:03:55,919 --> 00:03:58,800 very striking. So I was like, oh see, there was 62 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,439 always this one very of separation there, so but here 63 00:04:02,479 --> 00:04:06,199 we are finally. Okay. So that's right. You say you 64 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,840 grew up in the woods of Wisconsin, and that I 65 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,080 mean from a young age. It sounds like you were 66 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,560 into sasquatdle And so why is that? Do you even 67 00:04:15,639 --> 00:04:19,120 because like myself, I don't really recall my first thought 68 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,560 of you know, bigfoot coming out across my gray matter 69 00:04:22,639 --> 00:04:25,920 and why that was interesting to me? And so, you know, 70 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,040 was it a movie for you? Was it some kind 71 00:04:28,079 --> 00:04:30,000 of a book for you? 72 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,959 Speaker 3: You know, I always for me, it's it was that. 73 00:04:35,959 --> 00:04:37,920 And this is maybe perhaps a different answer than you 74 00:04:37,959 --> 00:04:40,600 were expecting. But I grew up in a household where 75 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,920 my parents gave me the space to question, and I 76 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,600 think that that, to me is really what allowed me 77 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:50,759 to I mean, and they were reading things to me 78 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,399 like where the you know, Morris Index, Where the Wild 79 00:04:53,439 --> 00:04:57,319 Things Are? That was I love that book, favorite children's book. 80 00:04:57,639 --> 00:04:59,800 I loved the drawings in it. I loved how they were, 81 00:04:59,879 --> 00:05:04,319 the different large life creatures in it. The main character Max. 82 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,800 If you go and reread that book, like he is 83 00:05:06,879 --> 00:05:11,040 a piece of work, Like he's not the nicest of children, 84 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,360 but like you know, kind of have an attitude and 85 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:15,639 get sent to his room and then that's where his 86 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,920 imagination takes over, right, And that, to me is where 87 00:05:19,519 --> 00:05:22,680 my parents were all for that. And I think if 88 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,360 you have a little in your life, or if you're 89 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,680 a guardian or aunt, uncle, whomever you are and little's life, 90 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,959 please give them the space to imagine and to ask questions, 91 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:37,480 because it really is the foundation to allowing that person 92 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,319 to grow up and actually, you know, be a really 93 00:05:41,079 --> 00:05:43,480 awesome person. Not to say that I'm an awesome person, 94 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:47,879 but maybe. And so that was kind of an I 95 00:05:47,879 --> 00:05:51,000 think the the you have to have the space for 96 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:56,040 imagination to happen. But then I guess being in Wisconsin, 97 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:02,240 we always and I have an older sibling, and I 98 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:06,439 think they were very much apart and I actually just 99 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,399 kind of realizing I'm talking to do this now, but 100 00:06:08,519 --> 00:06:11,399 like they were very much a part of my growth 101 00:06:11,399 --> 00:06:15,560 into the you know, I know you like to call 102 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,480 pre normal, and it's not paranormal, it's pre normal, right, 103 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:25,000 And so kind of being able to, you know, when 104 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,079 they were having sleepovers and they're watching a horror movie 105 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,040 and it's like, oh, there's a ghost movie, and like 106 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:34,319 I was very drawn to that to begin with. And 107 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:38,079 then there was a particular house. It was way off 108 00:06:38,199 --> 00:06:41,000 in like a field, and it was a white house 109 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,240 kind of I mean it wasn't it's kind of like 110 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,319 a white farmhouse, but black windows like you know, I 111 00:06:48,319 --> 00:06:50,199 mean just window, but it looks black from where we are, 112 00:06:50,399 --> 00:06:53,439 and it was just in this field kind of with 113 00:06:53,519 --> 00:06:57,040 some cornstocks, kind of not kind of dead woods around it. 114 00:06:57,079 --> 00:07:01,480 So you just automatically was like, that's theunted house in 115 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:06,600 our neighborhood, and so drawn to some of the ghost things. 116 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:11,439 And I probably knew more about ghosts before, and I 117 00:07:11,439 --> 00:07:13,639 think I was the only second or third grader that 118 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,720 could say things like a poltergeist, like I'm pretty sure 119 00:07:17,759 --> 00:07:19,439 I was the only person to be able to say that, 120 00:07:20,079 --> 00:07:21,720 but drawn to the ghost side of things. And then 121 00:07:21,759 --> 00:07:23,879 when I was looking at some of the books that 122 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,040 we had in our elementary school library about ghosts and 123 00:07:27,079 --> 00:07:30,079 like the fame, like the Infamous, like ghost story books 124 00:07:30,439 --> 00:07:34,720 with the amazing drawings, and like you know, you read 125 00:07:34,759 --> 00:07:37,519 things like the Dead Toe, and it's like, oh my god, 126 00:07:37,519 --> 00:07:38,279 what has happened? 127 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 2: Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark. That's actually what 128 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,079 I have a memorial tattoo for my brother, and it's 129 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,759 based upon one of the one of the art scenes 130 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:51,480 from one of the Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark. 131 00:07:51,519 --> 00:07:55,399 It's it's this brother and sister walking down this creepy 132 00:07:55,439 --> 00:07:57,680 path and I showed it to the artist and I said, 133 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,800 not this exactly, of course, making your own like you 134 00:08:00,839 --> 00:08:02,839 want to do, but that's what I base it off of. 135 00:08:02,879 --> 00:08:05,199 So huge. I five for that, because scary stories to 136 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,519 tell in the dark. The original art, of course was 137 00:08:08,959 --> 00:08:14,279 just it smoked everything that even today usually you can 138 00:08:14,319 --> 00:08:16,360 come across and this is, like you said, this is 139 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:18,120 an elementary school. 140 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. 141 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,879 Speaker 2: Yes, like I'm talking about grounding people up the what 142 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,879 is that the best sausage or whatever? That that? 143 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, that one. It's like literally just looking at 144 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:36,039 the cover, I'm surprised. But back then, I think, you know, 145 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,639 you could still bring lighters to school back then, right, yeah, 146 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,720 And so it's different these days of course, but reading 147 00:08:42,759 --> 00:08:47,480 books like that, having you know, and then they had 148 00:08:47,519 --> 00:08:49,679 cryptied books, I mean, because I think this is kind 149 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,559 of all a part in some books obviously talked about ghosts, scrypteds, 150 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:57,240 things like that, aliens and so seeing I think that 151 00:08:57,399 --> 00:08:59,080 was truly one of the first times where I saw 152 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:04,559 the you know, the infamous again still frame three fifty 153 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,519 two of the Patterson Gamblin footage of Patty kind of 154 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:10,399 doing the walk right like that stuck out but then 155 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,159 we also had Luckiness Monster like that I was also 156 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:17,000 interested in, and being from Wisconsin, I think we're just 157 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:21,759 I think we're one of the weird states. But Ogo 158 00:09:21,799 --> 00:09:27,919 Pogo things like that, like but that's all to answer 159 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,480 your question in short, those are the things that kind 160 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:34,879 of open the door. And then of course I always 161 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:40,240 referenced this to Pete's Dragon with Mickey Rooney. That was 162 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,679 a like a large bend life character, only the child 163 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:48,200 who kind of have a cordial relationship with this character, 164 00:09:48,879 --> 00:09:52,159 somewhat like MEPs and Where the Wild Things Are. But 165 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:56,320 then Harry and Henderson's like that was I loved that 166 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:00,159 movie and kind of would watch that on repeat. And 167 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:06,159 then nineteen ninety five came around Internet was booming. First 168 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:09,519 website bfro dot net. I mean my first search was 169 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:18,559 Bigfoot pictures, Bigfoot videos, Bigfoot sounds, and it helped continue 170 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,600 that flame that I once had as a kid into 171 00:10:20,639 --> 00:10:25,519 the mysteriousness of things. But Bigfoot and maybe we're gonna 172 00:10:25,519 --> 00:10:28,039 appreciate this, Shanna, But like Bigfoot was always it for me. 173 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,440 Ghosts were cool, but they could be kind of crazy 174 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:36,279 because the polterguys stuff aliens were just to me, that's 175 00:10:36,279 --> 00:10:38,879 a whole other kettle offish, like I'd almost rather not 176 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:44,720 think about that, just because of the immense technology that 177 00:10:44,919 --> 00:10:47,360 could be available to them, not us, all those types 178 00:10:47,399 --> 00:10:49,600 of things. But Bigfoot was always it because it was 179 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,120 just this, this is a creature of the earth like 180 00:10:53,279 --> 00:11:00,759 us humans. Are we separated? Are we somehow acted at 181 00:11:00,759 --> 00:11:03,759 some point? Like when did the jeene pulled decide to 182 00:11:03,759 --> 00:11:05,720 split off? Was it with the apes? Was it with 183 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,799 the chip? Like how did does this all come about? 184 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,559 So that's kind of where I was also drawn at 185 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:10,919 the topic. 186 00:11:11,919 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 2: So besides because so many people bring up the PG film. 187 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:20,320 Of course, besides the PG film even today right now, 188 00:11:20,879 --> 00:11:23,679 are there your go tos if somebody says there's no 189 00:11:23,879 --> 00:11:26,240 good pictures or videos and you're looking, what about this? 190 00:11:27,639 --> 00:11:31,879 Speaker 3: I love the Prince Edward Island footage. That is one 191 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:35,279 where I mean, it's a very quick clip online and 192 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,159 I've yet to see the whole thing, and I've yet 193 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,080 to even hear if this has been debunked or anything 194 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,799 to that degree. But it was this guy kind of 195 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:48,440 bolting out of this like tree line because he sees something. 196 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,039 They're already kind of like filming a video for something, 197 00:11:51,159 --> 00:11:53,559 But do you know what I are you familiar with? 198 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 2: That is that the pot where there light off fireworks 199 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,799 against a berm. 200 00:11:58,519 --> 00:12:00,399 Speaker 3: No no, no, no. This was in the day time, 201 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,279 and this was in Canada, obviously, but the guys like 202 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,679 running around this this little tree line thicket area. But 203 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:11,840 then you just see this black mass kind of it 204 00:12:11,919 --> 00:12:14,679 looked like it was on the ground and then kind 205 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:15,759 of stands up to run. 206 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:17,799 Speaker 2: So yes, my. 207 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 3: Friend and I we were like, oh, we got to 208 00:12:20,519 --> 00:12:23,399 try this out. So we were actually in the backyard 209 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:26,360 trying to run on all fours and see how easy 210 00:12:26,360 --> 00:12:28,519 it is for us to stand up and sprint and 211 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,360 like could it be fluid? So we were I don't know, 212 00:12:32,639 --> 00:12:36,559 we were like eleven doing this. That video stuck out 213 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,440 to me. There was, of course the snow walker, where 214 00:12:39,519 --> 00:12:43,720 you see this sasquatch kind of climbing up this mountain 215 00:12:43,799 --> 00:12:47,720 and it's up to its what hips at least waist 216 00:12:47,919 --> 00:12:52,240 right in thick snow and it's just kind of lumbering 217 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:57,320 up this up this mountain side. I suppose I recall 218 00:12:57,519 --> 00:13:02,840 that being debunked, but now I think it's a challenge 219 00:13:02,879 --> 00:13:05,600 these days because anything that was debunked then because of 220 00:13:05,639 --> 00:13:08,879 the science is now being rethought of today because of 221 00:13:08,879 --> 00:13:11,080 the science and like that's opened up a whole can 222 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:11,919 of worms of things. 223 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:18,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, So I don't know if we should 224 00:13:18,039 --> 00:13:22,279 talk about well, yeah, let's go here now, because you 225 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:24,879 kind of mentioned, you know, did did the gene pool 226 00:13:24,919 --> 00:13:28,200 split off? You know, apes and gorillas and all these 227 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,919 other things. So do you think then that they are 228 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,559 flesh and blood? Are you? Are you fully in that 229 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,440 camp or are you kind of in the middle. You're 230 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:39,759 not really sure if there's something paranormal to them. 231 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 3: I love to be on the fence that way, I 232 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,720 can see both sides. And I don't know if that's 233 00:13:45,759 --> 00:13:51,320 a cliche answer, but it allows me to hear people's 234 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,039 stories when they say they see a sasquatch that came 235 00:13:54,039 --> 00:13:57,039 out of a spaceship that was handcuffed to a briefcase. 236 00:13:57,919 --> 00:14:01,440 But it also allows me to understand that there are footprints, 237 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:05,879 there's dermal ridges, there's hair samples. Cliff Berrickman has butt 238 00:14:05,919 --> 00:14:08,759 samples and all sorts of elbow samples and hand samples, right, 239 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:12,000 So that to me, it's like, okay, well then it's physical. 240 00:14:13,039 --> 00:14:16,320 So I think the reason why this topic is also 241 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:20,799 so much fun is because we don't have that Jane 242 00:14:20,799 --> 00:14:24,600 Goodall like character yet or figure who can actually say 243 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:27,240 that I'm studying these animals, I know their patterns, I 244 00:14:27,279 --> 00:14:31,960 know where they are. Until we have that, I think 245 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,240 that we're still going to be it's all going to 246 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:41,000 be still led up to someone's experience or the samples 247 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:45,039 or the you know, true data like footprints that they 248 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,120 can bring to the table that can be studied and exampled. 249 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,200 I answer question on the fence. 250 00:14:51,639 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 2: I'm right there with you, and I think it depends 251 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,480 on what day and who I'm talking to. And you know, 252 00:14:57,559 --> 00:14:59,720 I can sway a little bit this way or that 253 00:14:59,759 --> 00:15:02,440 way depending on who I'm speaking to them. Yeah, you know, 254 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:07,720 because at least from however much information you can gather 255 00:15:07,799 --> 00:15:10,039 just from speaking to someone. Of course, you weren't there 256 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,559 with them, but they believe what they saw. And I 257 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,600 get that so often, you know, and I know that 258 00:15:15,679 --> 00:15:17,919 you do too, And you go, well, it wasn't there, 259 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,720 but they saw something and they believe they saw what 260 00:15:22,759 --> 00:15:25,639 they said they saw. So I get swayed depending on 261 00:15:25,679 --> 00:15:27,879 who I'm talking to. But I definitely don't sit in 262 00:15:27,919 --> 00:15:29,960 one camp or the other because I think it does 263 00:15:30,759 --> 00:15:33,200 as you pretty much said, it does a disservice in 264 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:35,039 a way. You know, just to sit in one camp 265 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:36,840 and say I'm not gonna listen to it, and you 266 00:15:36,879 --> 00:15:42,120 do the it doesn't really help push anything forward because 267 00:15:42,159 --> 00:15:45,960 there are stranger aspects to this and maybe one day 268 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,360 we'll figure out why that is. But there's a lot 269 00:15:48,399 --> 00:15:51,440 of weird SISA that goes on around Bigfoot. 270 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know well and to your you know, 271 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,720 I'm familiar with your past experience with seeing these shadow figures, right, 272 00:16:01,879 --> 00:16:05,759 and so how and this is kind of where everyone 273 00:16:05,799 --> 00:16:08,399 should start to kind of be a little bit more 274 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:13,360 human about people's experiences. And this is where it's like 275 00:16:13,519 --> 00:16:16,600 just because you didn't have an experience, but this person 276 00:16:16,759 --> 00:16:23,080 did put their glasses on literally and right. And if 277 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,399 you had an experience and you wanted to tell someone, 278 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:28,559 and you're being brave and vulnerable enough to tell someone, 279 00:16:29,679 --> 00:16:32,440 what would you want someone to respond to you with, 280 00:16:32,679 --> 00:16:37,519 You're crazy? That's probably not very polite, right or humane? Right. 281 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:42,399 So that's where I very much appreciate all the stories 282 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:47,720 and candidly again, until we can actually start putting these circumstances. 283 00:16:47,759 --> 00:16:49,600 And I don't know if you can even say a 284 00:16:49,639 --> 00:16:55,440 controlled environment but in something where it's not. I mean, 285 00:16:55,679 --> 00:16:56,799 this is going to go off in a bit of 286 00:16:56,799 --> 00:17:00,559 a tangent, but like with today's AI, you you really 287 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:04,759 can't believe your eyes and ears anymore. And this is 288 00:17:04,799 --> 00:17:07,839 where it's it's actually kind of an opportunity for those 289 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:12,839 who are passionate enough to ask the questions is it 290 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,240 real or not? Which is my second book. I'll segue 291 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:22,200 slip that in there. But it's actually asking those questions, 292 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:25,559 and it's going to force people to get off, get 293 00:17:25,599 --> 00:17:27,799 off their chair and like go have that experience. 294 00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 4: Now. 295 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 3: Granted you might be the lucky one where you could 296 00:17:31,519 --> 00:17:34,200 simply just look out your window and there's a big Foot, sasquatch, 297 00:17:34,279 --> 00:17:39,559 dumpster diving right there are those reports, but it's it's 298 00:17:39,599 --> 00:17:42,920 going to stop people from looking at their phone to 299 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,559 be like, oh, this this video clip is real, this 300 00:17:45,559 --> 00:17:50,200 this sund is real. And something that I was thinking 301 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,480 about earlier, Shan, you want to know a really poetic 302 00:17:54,920 --> 00:17:59,559 circular framing to all of this. I think the only 303 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:04,720 way in which we're actually going to have someone believe 304 00:18:04,759 --> 00:18:06,519 in the Bigfoot if it is filmed, is we're going 305 00:18:06,599 --> 00:18:08,359 to have to go back to real the reel and 306 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:09,720 people are going to be out in the woods and 307 00:18:09,759 --> 00:18:12,359 a reel to reel because that's the only way we 308 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,519 can actually gauge it that there's an object blocking light 309 00:18:15,599 --> 00:18:19,440 that is now transferred into film, and that's just like 310 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:19,799 P and G. 311 00:18:20,079 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, you have to have that physical where's 312 00:18:23,759 --> 00:18:25,720 the negative, where's the actual film for it? 313 00:18:25,759 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 3: You're like, right here, exactly. 314 00:18:28,519 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 2: I mean, I think you're spot on with that at 315 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:36,519 this point. Unless you produce a physical film backup for 316 00:18:36,599 --> 00:18:39,720 whatever it is, or you can confirm that, then it's 317 00:18:40,079 --> 00:18:44,160 Unfortunately it it all, especially for once you put it 318 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,880 onto a Facebook group or onto YouTube, everyone's going to 319 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:53,480 go double thumbs down. Man, sorry h KBCA, No, uh sorry, 320 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,079 yes it's a fake. And even though in your head 321 00:18:56,079 --> 00:18:58,440 you're screaming, but I was there, I saw it, I 322 00:18:58,559 --> 00:18:59,759 filmed this doesn't matter. 323 00:19:00,759 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 3: Doesn't matter. Yeah, but there's also I think it also 324 00:19:04,759 --> 00:19:10,160 depends on I think a little bit of your clout 325 00:19:10,519 --> 00:19:14,039 right and a little bit of who you truly are. 326 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,640 Like I think, again, this is this is wright. I 327 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:19,799 go back to the spectrum of this big foot culture 328 00:19:19,799 --> 00:19:23,480 where it's like we have these spectrum of characters, those 329 00:19:23,519 --> 00:19:26,160 who are kind of questionable, those who are Oh, they're 330 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,880 the you know, to me doctor Jeffrey Maldrum. He was 331 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,759 the steady handed like he's got academia behind him, Like 332 00:19:34,599 --> 00:19:36,440 he's a smart dude. I've been out in the force 333 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:39,279 with him, you know, twice I was able to truly 334 00:19:39,319 --> 00:19:41,799 do like almost a solo camping with him was him 335 00:19:41,839 --> 00:19:46,519 and my family member and so got to just be 336 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,960 around him in the intelligence was off the chart. And 337 00:19:51,039 --> 00:19:53,200 so this is where it's like, if you have a 338 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:57,079 figure like that, and he's been on probably every single 339 00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:01,720 Bigfoot documentary since you know, the late eighty and so 340 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,720 figure like that versus potentially other ones, this is where 341 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,359 it's well, where are you getting this data from? Or 342 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:12,799 how are you coming up with these conclusions? What's your background? 343 00:20:12,839 --> 00:20:16,079 This is where I think it's really up to. And 344 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:20,160 there might be a relational is you know, a friendship 345 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,960 or relationship that other Bigfooters might say, Oh I know 346 00:20:24,079 --> 00:20:26,480 that person. And I literally just had this conversation earlier 347 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:29,240 this week with someone was oh I know that person. 348 00:20:29,319 --> 00:20:32,440 They're a good dude. I don't know if I know 349 00:20:32,519 --> 00:20:34,319 that person. They might not be a good due, but 350 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,920 it seems like their footage or what they're trying to 351 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:42,039 do is a little clever, which makes people question or 352 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,960 it's a little bit too miraculous that they're coming up 353 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,039 with certain footage, or you know, whatever the storyline is. 354 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:54,240 So's it's a tricky it's a tricky pendulum. 355 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that's also the problem is that 356 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:02,240 you get a let's go with the hip habituation situation, right, 357 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:08,119 and you have some family that they could be having daily, weekly, monthly, 358 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:12,599 whatever it is, and sometimes there's a little bit of 359 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,799 audio going on, but there's not a lot of video. 360 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,039 But then that opens up the conversation of why, well 361 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:21,680 they know there's video there, of course they do, and 362 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:23,839 then there's all these rabbit holes that you can go 363 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,000 down with just the video side of just just take 364 00:21:27,039 --> 00:21:31,440 this habituation situation. But then there's others that they're getting, 365 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,519 as you said, incredible video, almost too good to be 366 00:21:35,599 --> 00:21:39,000 true all the time. So because you have people screaming, 367 00:21:39,039 --> 00:21:40,880 where's the video? Is a video? But then you give 368 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,559 them the video and I'm not saying that all of 369 00:21:43,559 --> 00:21:48,279 those situations are taking actual video, but then they're going, 370 00:21:49,559 --> 00:21:51,920 oh this is bs. We're like, well, what did you want? 371 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,880 You wanted the video? I gave you the video, so 372 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,599 I think that. But that said, there is a lot 373 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,680 of bad actors who are obviously just doing tilly stuff, 374 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:04,559 and I think that mostly we can figure that out, 375 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:09,160 I think, you know, with certain folks. But that's the 376 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,160 funny thing also about the community, though, is that you 377 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,319 you give them what they want and then it's it's 378 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:16,559 just not ever go. 379 00:22:18,319 --> 00:22:19,400 Speaker 3: Right. Yeah, exactly. 380 00:22:19,599 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 2: Yes, it's tough. It's tough out there, but that's the 381 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,680 day and age that we we live in. And that's 382 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,039 why I love that you said, really the only way 383 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:31,720 as far as video evidence is to go back to 384 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,559 old school. You got to take it back to film, 385 00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:37,160 and that way you have that providence and you have 386 00:22:37,319 --> 00:22:41,799 actual physical proof of what is laying on that film. 387 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:48,519 So yeah, absolutely that is a problem. Okay, so let's 388 00:22:48,559 --> 00:22:50,599 talk a little bit because you did bring up the 389 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,400 fact that you went out a couple of times with 390 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,440 doctor Meltrum, and you say you've went out with Jeff, 391 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,319 you went out with Cliff, Cliff Berrickman, Tom Palell, Sabyla Irwin, 392 00:22:59,519 --> 00:23:03,720 all kinds folks. So can you talk a little bit about, 393 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,720 you know, any experiences that that you did have and 394 00:23:07,799 --> 00:23:10,079 even if it's not I don't need to keep it 395 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,400 like strictly bigfoot, even if you had strange experiences while 396 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,839 you were out for the purposes a bigfoot, which I've 397 00:23:15,839 --> 00:23:17,359 also encountered myself. 398 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, so I'll just start the first one. 399 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,200 I mean, I guess I won the lottery outside of 400 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,920 having a class A, which is actually seeing a sassquatch. 401 00:23:27,599 --> 00:23:30,599 You know. The first night, this was the first expedition 402 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,160 ever Shannon, and this was in Los almost New Mexico 403 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:38,640 with the BFRO and we were kind of in the 404 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,480 first night, we were on a campfire, but I kept 405 00:23:42,519 --> 00:23:48,279 seeing in like it was almost like fireflies, right, but 406 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,440 they were they were red. They were red dots. And 407 00:23:51,519 --> 00:23:54,960 I don't know if my eyes were just adjusting if 408 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,200 I was actually seeing something that I remember, like, you know, 409 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,160 there's a vfroro, you know, God bless them, but there's 410 00:24:01,279 --> 00:24:06,359 like a groups of like twenty plus, right, and so 411 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,640 I don't know why anything would have gotten as close 412 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,400 as it would have, But kept seeing these red dots. 413 00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:15,000 And what I kept saying, you know, thinking, is like 414 00:24:15,039 --> 00:24:16,839 they're peaking because I would see them and when I 415 00:24:16,839 --> 00:24:18,480 would look at them, they would just kind of disappear, 416 00:24:18,599 --> 00:24:21,279 and I think for me, and I always try to 417 00:24:22,599 --> 00:24:25,200 try to logically think of like, Okay, what what is 418 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,920 my brain processing as it's processing, as I'm thinking of this, 419 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,279 as I'm seeing this, And so are these red dots 420 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,720 like hiding behind the tree, Like why are they disappearing? 421 00:24:35,759 --> 00:24:39,359 What's happening? But I couldn't focus on anyone long enough 422 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,400 for me to make sense. But they're just kind of 423 00:24:41,519 --> 00:24:44,440 here and there. We decided to split up. Okay, we're 424 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,319 going to go out on on our night hike. And 425 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:53,680 this is the first night. You heard this lumbrous crunch, crunch, crunch, 426 00:24:53,759 --> 00:24:58,640 and like it totally had the pace of what you 427 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:03,559 would think would be at least a bipedal, a two 428 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:10,240 legged figure walking in the woods. And it wasn't acute 429 00:25:10,319 --> 00:25:12,799 enough or for legged to maybe be a deer because 430 00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:16,000 I've heard of that in the woods before, or scampering. 431 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:21,200 Nothing like that. A crunch crunch, and like the pace 432 00:25:21,319 --> 00:25:24,640 was very interesting. And I'll get to this, but everyone 433 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,119 was accounted for, everyone, you know, kind of radioed in. 434 00:25:28,279 --> 00:25:31,160 One of our leaders heard it. Mean, this was like 435 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,119 six or seven in the group and we all heard this. 436 00:25:34,319 --> 00:25:36,880 Second night is where things really just went off the map. 437 00:25:37,039 --> 00:25:42,319 So my family member and I were in this one 438 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,880 area kind of away from like where I think most 439 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,440 people were camping, and we had this trail that just 440 00:25:47,519 --> 00:25:49,759 kind of went behind our tent. But we were very 441 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:54,519 drawn to that. And when it finally came to the 442 00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:57,000 group of five that we were in, one of the 443 00:25:57,039 --> 00:26:00,400 leader's names was Bill. I wish I could know his 444 00:26:00,759 --> 00:26:02,599 last name. I would love to get in contact with him, 445 00:26:02,599 --> 00:26:05,359 but his last name was his person was Bill. And 446 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,200 so we said, we really want to go back here. 447 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:12,000 We're just drawn to it and it's okay, great, but 448 00:26:12,039 --> 00:26:14,079 they wanted to split off. So him and this other 449 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,960 fella they split off. They went down one trail. It 450 00:26:17,079 --> 00:26:21,319 was myself, family member and this other fella, and I thought, 451 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,920 you know, let's do something very different. Let's kind of 452 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,440 walk a couple of paces every thirty or so feet, 453 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,319 and let's just stop in the shadows, because to me, 454 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:36,880 the the moon was very bright that day, and you know, 455 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,839 full moon, which I think to me is good luck. 456 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,720 Others I think will say that that's oh, you want 457 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:42,440 to go on the pitch black, But like I kind 458 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:43,880 of want to see what I'm looking at. If I'm 459 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:46,799 going to get bluff charged or something. But it was 460 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,240 perfect because it was creating these awesome shadows from these 461 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,400 you know, giant furs, and so this is kind of 462 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,720 where our pine trees, right, So this is where we 463 00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:59,720 were stopping and starting in the shadows, just trying to 464 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:06,119 be because it felt as if we could be different 465 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,519 than that typical camper just simply walking back to their 466 00:27:09,519 --> 00:27:12,480 camp or simply walking on a hike and like not stopping, 467 00:27:12,519 --> 00:27:16,039 like that might not be interesting enough for a sasquatch. 468 00:27:16,079 --> 00:27:18,720 So we were stopping and starting and then we hear 469 00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:23,279 this pebble for whatever reason, kind of u lodge itself 470 00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,759 or get thrown or something. But you hear this trickle 471 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,039 coming from our right, and we all kind of got 472 00:27:30,039 --> 00:27:31,559 in a circle and like, okay, we hear that again. 473 00:27:31,759 --> 00:27:33,720 That was that was at your three, It was at 474 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:35,240 my three. It was at your two because you were 475 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,079 looking at Okay, so we're trying to figure out like 476 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,319 the clock system of where we heard this, and like, yeah, 477 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:46,200 of course it was just here continued and well we looked. 478 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,200 I was expecting candidly to see like a sasquat looking 479 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,839 at us, like yeah, I threw that, and like just 480 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:56,079 kind of punched over because it was that clear and 481 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,839 it was close, but nothing. I mean you could the 482 00:27:58,839 --> 00:28:02,279 moon was shining on this incline so well that you 483 00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:06,680 could see maybe like thirty forty yards into this area. 484 00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:11,279 It was just nothing. Continued maybe about twenty more feet 485 00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:14,000 thirty more feet, and then we get this very deep 486 00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:19,160 guttural growl that you know, shook the Trump major shirt 487 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:24,400 tremble on your chest. And it was so quiet, you know, 488 00:28:24,599 --> 00:28:28,079 at this point channel where you know, you could actually 489 00:28:28,079 --> 00:28:31,079 hear your pulse beating in your ears, Like that's how quiet. 490 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,839 There was no flies, insects, bugs, nothing, There was no wind. 491 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,880 I mean, it was dead quiet. And so when this 492 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:44,640 growl happened, I mean this was maybe an eight second 493 00:28:44,759 --> 00:28:52,440 guttural growl deep, and we immediately all stopped huddled up 494 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,279 over like we should probably leave, Like yeah, we need 495 00:28:55,319 --> 00:28:56,799 to go back and get the other two and like 496 00:28:56,839 --> 00:29:00,880 at least share this with Bill. Now here's the thing 497 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,079 Bill was, And I'll get to the kind of leading here. 498 00:29:05,119 --> 00:29:09,480 But like Bill was like six seven six eight, He's 499 00:29:09,519 --> 00:29:14,160 a tall dude, and I think that this there's this 500 00:29:14,359 --> 00:29:18,279 leads to something else. But as we were going back 501 00:29:18,319 --> 00:29:20,319 to get Bill, because he's the tallest of us and 502 00:29:20,319 --> 00:29:22,119 he's the leader. Like, all right, we got to get Bill. 503 00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:24,960 Radioed Bill and said, hey, we just got growled out. 504 00:29:25,119 --> 00:29:27,480 What do we do? Okay, come back to where we 505 00:29:27,759 --> 00:29:32,240 split off. We'll meet you there. So we did radio 506 00:29:32,279 --> 00:29:33,880 a little bit later back to Bill like okay, we're 507 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,720 at the cutoff point. He's like, are you around? And 508 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,759 you go and I was like, oh, I think I 509 00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:44,640 see you. I remember saying this. Unfortunately this is also 510 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,640 later on. But we were a bit novice in our 511 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,720 big footing skills, so like didn't have audio running, didn't 512 00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:56,720 have night vision, and of course that's when you get something. 513 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,640 But I, as I was talking to him, I saw 514 00:30:01,799 --> 00:30:07,880 this orangish amberish. I don't know if I can call 515 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,119 it an orb, because candidly, I don't know what an 516 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,000 orb looks like. I still don't, but that's what I 517 00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:15,960 will say it was because it turned it was like 518 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,960 a grapefruit. But then it was like it turned on 519 00:30:18,039 --> 00:30:19,920 and it kind of got bigger to like a best ball, 520 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,680 then as big as like a medicine ball, a beach ball. 521 00:30:24,839 --> 00:30:27,240 And I was seeing it off in the distance and 522 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:32,839 what I thought was the trail the next day realized, oh, 523 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,799 that's in the tree line, so that's so what is that? 524 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,880 But when I said to Bill, I said, oh, I 525 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,960 think I see you, because there's no way we like 526 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:44,799 have yet to even get out of the position that 527 00:30:44,839 --> 00:30:50,920 we are at, and so didn't think anything of a 528 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,880 channel because I I mean again, at the point in time, 529 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,839 I said, oh, okay, well that's not them. I don't 530 00:30:56,839 --> 00:31:00,000 know what that is. Erase it because we just got 531 00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:05,279 growl that right, and so, but what was kind of 532 00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:07,240 interesting was the fact that, I mean this was a 533 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,680 true like one eighty from like where we got and 534 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,319 growled at, which was behind us. So now in front 535 00:31:12,319 --> 00:31:16,279 of us there's this light source happening. And I don't 536 00:31:16,279 --> 00:31:19,039 believe the other fellas saw it because it was true 537 00:31:19,119 --> 00:31:23,079 like boom boom, you know, light and then off. And 538 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:28,480 so okay, well that's not Bill waited, looked again, not there. 539 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,839 You know. I'm blinking my eyes furiously because I'm like, okay, 540 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,160 is it me? What's happening? Finally met up a Bill 541 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,039 told them what happened. We get down to where we 542 00:31:38,079 --> 00:31:41,559 thought we were growled. We got growled that, but that 543 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,880 turned out to be a meadow in this meadow kind 544 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,279 of you know, inclined from the right, declined all the 545 00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:51,039 way to come to the left of us, and on 546 00:31:51,079 --> 00:31:54,160 the other side of this meadow was another tree line, 547 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:58,319 and we started to okay, we're going to approach where 548 00:31:58,319 --> 00:32:00,640 this other tree line was because maybe this thing went 549 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:04,000 over there. And as we got about halfway through, this 550 00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:07,599 metal Bill goes, Okay, I need to make sure that 551 00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:11,000 you know this. If we get bluff charged, you have 552 00:32:11,039 --> 00:32:12,839 to just sit down and don't look at it in 553 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,960 the eyes, and immediately you have to just kind of 554 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,279 give your verbal affirmation of like yep, sure thing, I'll 555 00:32:19,319 --> 00:32:22,039 do that. But so many things went through my mind 556 00:32:22,039 --> 00:32:24,319 where it's like, Okay, I have to acknowledge that this exists. 557 00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:26,640 And not only do I have to acknowledge it, I 558 00:32:26,759 --> 00:32:31,880 now have to accept it. Not freaking panic, do nothing. 559 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,319 You just sit and like as almost as if this 560 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,480 was a silver back in like an African safari that 561 00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:39,880 you were getting charged. You just have to totally be done. 562 00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:43,920 You know what's the opposite of dominant submissive, right, and 563 00:32:44,039 --> 00:32:49,400 so totally be submissive. Sure, gave a verbal commit went 564 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,400 to that next tree line, he whips out this woodblock, 565 00:32:52,519 --> 00:32:58,240 gave it like two wraps nothing. As we continued into 566 00:32:58,279 --> 00:33:01,039 this tree line. This was maybe like another fifteen twenty feet. 567 00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:03,480 As we like got just into this, like we passed 568 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,160 a tree and like we're now we're in this tree line. 569 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,480 We hear this crunch, cracked snap, you know, all the 570 00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:12,640 sleeve flitter and twigs and branches starting to crack and 571 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,640 pop and like going towards owner. So we're getting a 572 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:19,720 tree get broken and knocked down towards us. What was 573 00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:24,640 next was happening was this rumble. We hear this, So 574 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,359 we hear this rumble and things snapping and popping in like, 575 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,440 so what was a tree break in front of me? 576 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,400 Which I probably could tell you immediately, Okay, that's a sasponge. 577 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,839 We just got a tree get knocked down. But the 578 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,599 rumbling and things were happening over here, so it was 579 00:33:40,759 --> 00:33:43,200 caused me to figure, okay, I need to focus on 580 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,599 the rumbling because I don't know what that is. And 581 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,039 you start to see these shadows pop up and dance 582 00:33:48,079 --> 00:33:51,079 and do it like all these things. Well, what happened 583 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,720 was this is a about i'll just say thirty to 584 00:33:54,720 --> 00:34:00,039 forty unintended mountain cattle got up from their slumber and 585 00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:04,039 then stampeded down the meadow that we had just crossed. 586 00:34:05,799 --> 00:34:11,719 So and then as that kind of subsided and this 587 00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,239 was like maybe a minute. I mean that's how much 588 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:19,960 they hauled, literally hauled tail out of there. You hear 589 00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:27,320 this same pace, same rhythm, crunch crunch front. Is it 590 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:31,360 just kind of disappears down whatever hill or you know, 591 00:34:31,519 --> 00:34:35,039 mountain valley whatever it was. And when we went back 592 00:34:35,079 --> 00:34:37,639 there the next day, I mean, this was a drop off. 593 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:43,639 This was like nothing should have descended where this things 594 00:34:44,559 --> 00:34:47,000 like where we heard this takeoff or like walk away 595 00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:49,079 and it was a walk. I mean, this was not 596 00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:52,280 a run by any means or jog or jawn nothing. 597 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,480 The only thing I'll say about it about the the 598 00:34:56,519 --> 00:34:58,079 last well, the last thing I'll say about like the 599 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,800 cattle pieces was it doing that? Would like, did it 600 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,239 go to that cattle? Didn't know it was there? Did 601 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,239 it tried to go there because or was it there 602 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,119 in the first place? And was it growling at us 603 00:35:11,159 --> 00:35:13,280 because it was trying to get a burger? Was it 604 00:35:13,679 --> 00:35:16,559 did it get frightened of us and crossed the meadow 605 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:21,079 and be by this, you know, a herd of cattle 606 00:35:21,679 --> 00:35:27,800 because it wanted warmth protection, maybe to take us away 607 00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,559 from the scent, although we did not smell anything. The 608 00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:33,599 air was too still. We wouldn't have probably anyways. But 609 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:39,880 so many questions about how this cattle didn't move once 610 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,760 this thing crossed. Did they? Are they aware of the 611 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:45,440 fact that this sasquatch is there and they are constantly 612 00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,599 around each other and weren't scared. They weren't scared of 613 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,400 us when we crossed the meadow. They didn't do anything. 614 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:57,000 We didn't even know they were there. The whole spark 615 00:35:57,079 --> 00:35:59,639 of this stampede everything was the tree gun knocked down, 616 00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:05,400 So that either that or was it doing some type 617 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,800 of infrasound that said get the hell out of here, 618 00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,599 And we were too you know, I don't know, too 619 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,840 human to understand what it was telling us, but it's 620 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,800 signaled to this cop of these cows to get out, 621 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,920 and they did. So many questions. 622 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,559 Speaker 2: Is this private property? 623 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 3: No, which is also why I was like, how are 624 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,519 their unattended cattle here? It didn't make. 625 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:36,519 Speaker 2: Sense to me an interesting location, of course, Los Alamos. 626 00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:39,480 I mean, that's a whole nother rabbit hole right there. 627 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:44,440 But so obviously they've been to this location before and 628 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,599 that's why they go there because there is there is 629 00:36:47,679 --> 00:36:52,039 some activity. Is that kind of par for the course 630 00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:55,639 for that location? Did you find out what before going? 631 00:36:55,679 --> 00:36:57,639 Did they kind of give you a rundown sheet of 632 00:36:57,639 --> 00:36:58,440 what's doing there? 633 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 3: Agree they go to the BFA goes to locations that 634 00:37:03,039 --> 00:37:07,159 they are for a reason. Case in point, we were 635 00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:13,079 going to twenty fourteen, We went to Sam Houston National 636 00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:16,719 Park in Texas, and we were going there because there 637 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,199 was apparently some bigfoot activity where a camp had gotten disturbed, 638 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,559 and by disturbed I mean destroyed, and by destroyed, I 639 00:37:23,639 --> 00:37:27,039 mean so much so that the FBI had been called 640 00:37:27,039 --> 00:37:29,599 in like the week prior to investigate, because now it 641 00:37:29,679 --> 00:37:33,519 turned into a four to one one situation. And when 642 00:37:33,519 --> 00:37:36,320 we went to investigate that, we were told by the 643 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,679 park rangers. Literally I was hearing these conversations, was that 644 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:45,519 because that camp's being investigated, you can't go there. And 645 00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:49,239 so unfortunately there's no website that I'm aware of that 646 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,599 you can go to search what happened? Why is the 647 00:37:53,679 --> 00:38:00,159 FBI investigating this site? Right? But it was because of 648 00:38:00,199 --> 00:38:04,039 that instance where we were, you know, somehow we were 649 00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:06,400 trying to perhaps get ahead of the FBI or the 650 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:13,239 BFRO was didn't make it because they were there right away. Yes, 651 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,559 I think they're always drawn to a location where something 652 00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:19,920 is happening. That's why the BFRORO goes there. Now, the 653 00:38:20,039 --> 00:38:22,679 super uper duper hotspots, I think that those are kind 654 00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,880 of kept close to the chest. But I think where 655 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,320 it's a I don't know if there's any type of 656 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,280 measuring system that the BFRORO has, but okay, this is 657 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:37,920 like a yellow orange, it's not a red right, But yeah, 658 00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,480 let's see if someone can have some type of instance 659 00:38:41,519 --> 00:38:44,880 where I don't know if the BFRO candidly has ever 660 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:49,079 gone back to or at least publicly shared that they were, 661 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,920 so I think that might have become an area of No, 662 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,440 we got to keep this closer than chest. 663 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,199 Speaker 2: Well, that's pretty cool about keV, because that means that you, 664 00:38:59,199 --> 00:39:01,760 I mean, we don't know for sure, and I'm sure 665 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,400 you'd probably say the same thing, but it sounds like 666 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,360 you saw Bigfoot. So exciting because. 667 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,639 Speaker 3: I wish, I will say, I wish I could have 668 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:16,760 seen it. Right, we're sure as how we're within forty 669 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:21,519 feet of one, which is crazy. Yeah, another question I 670 00:39:21,519 --> 00:39:25,119 asked myself is when this pebble gotck you know, trickled 671 00:39:25,159 --> 00:39:27,719 down and then we walked a couple of feet. I 672 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:34,119 mean we didn't hear anything tracking us or paralleling us, 673 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,920 nothing like that. We I would just hear this growl. 674 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,960 But it's like where the two there, let's say this. 675 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,199 I mean, it just was such a still night. There 676 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,800 would be no reason why this pebble would just kind 677 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:50,880 of trickle down. Was it thrown? If it was too 678 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:56,639 big foot there? Then could one have parallel or perhaps 679 00:39:56,639 --> 00:40:00,400 this way if it was only one big foot and 680 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,440 the pebble happened by the time we moved fifteen feet, 681 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:08,079 could this thing have traveled so fast and made you know, 682 00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:11,239 made zero noise that now it's growling at us literally 683 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,239 from in front of us. So many questions that are 684 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:21,119 left unanswered. And perhaps of course that's that was the 685 00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:23,599 full on genesis of like the bigfoot bite, where I 686 00:40:23,639 --> 00:40:28,320 was like, okay, great, now I've got the Now I'm hooked. Yeah, 687 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,920 what is it? I got to have an experience? You know, 688 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,440 it fell down the well pretty hard. 689 00:40:34,119 --> 00:40:36,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're done for now once you even and all 690 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,960 it takes is a cool auditory experience, which is all 691 00:40:40,039 --> 00:40:43,400 I've ever had. I am slightly jealous that. I mean 692 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,920 not only that, of course you saw one, but that 693 00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:50,840 the growling and things like that, because as you said, 694 00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:56,199 you can feel things just physically moving when it is growling. Now, 695 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,880 that is not some dude in a bush able to 696 00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:02,679 do that. I'm sorry, no, no. 697 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,039 Speaker 3: I mean you would have had to have a subble 698 00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:09,119 for ready to go at like eleven to make your 699 00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:14,199 shirt jiggle. And I just it's one of those things 700 00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:16,280 too where we didn't have the audio. We were too novice. 701 00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:19,840 And at the same time that's probably the reason why 702 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,559 we did get something potentially, is you know, there's a 703 00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:25,639 theory that they can kind of pick up on those things. Yes, 704 00:41:25,679 --> 00:41:29,239 they can pick up better equipment, So lucky or unlucky 705 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,599 it you know, I don't know if that glass is 706 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,079 half full or half empty at that point, but at 707 00:41:34,119 --> 00:41:36,880 least I could say I had an experience class B. 708 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,400 At most I did have another one off in mountain 709 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,159 Hood where and this is I actually somewhat came prepared 710 00:41:45,199 --> 00:41:48,039 where I actually have audio which is on the Bigfoot 711 00:41:48,159 --> 00:41:50,320 archive where you can listen to where I believe I 712 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:54,639 captured a baby sas watching a tree blowing raspberries or bubbles. 713 00:41:55,519 --> 00:42:00,559 And I because I have sound engineer experience PASS, so 714 00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:03,320 I actually showed the waveform of what it is that 715 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,119 I'm hearing to kind of just help the listener visually 716 00:42:06,199 --> 00:42:07,960 understand because there's a lot going on. There's you know, 717 00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:11,239 trees and rustling and things like that. But you can 718 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:16,039 hear this, and I'm like, this is in a tree. 719 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,599 Tell me if it's it's not. You know, it's either 720 00:42:20,639 --> 00:42:26,079 a human. I don't think wildcat does that. Horses have lips. 721 00:42:26,199 --> 00:42:27,000 Horsesn't in the. 722 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,320 Speaker 2: Tree, right, Like that would be terrifying. 723 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:36,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, primates too. So those are the two major experiences 724 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:41,039 that I've had where I've had an auditorial success. 725 00:42:41,159 --> 00:42:44,519 Speaker 2: I guess yeah, and I will agree. I mean, that 726 00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:47,320 is all it takes to light the fire, is even 727 00:42:47,519 --> 00:42:52,840 just a strange auditory experience is pretty profound. But and 728 00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:55,000 bless you And you're like, well it's class B. It 729 00:42:55,079 --> 00:42:58,039 sounds like class A to me. Yeah, that's awesome. You 730 00:42:58,039 --> 00:42:59,800 got You're like, hey, Bill, which do know of there? 731 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,239 But feels like, nah, that ain't mean what. 732 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,039 Speaker 3: Well? And I will say this, Shannon, So when we're 733 00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:12,840 in also in sam Houston, this is actually where I 734 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,000 forget what I want to say. This was also the 735 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:21,480 second night where for whatever reason, everyone was accounted for 736 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,400 and we saw this kind of I did, and I 737 00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:27,360 and I this is again. I have an audio where 738 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:35,400 it's I saw this pinkish or reddish light source, and 739 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,039 I kind of in the audio, I say, what's a 740 00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:44,800 car doing in the woods? Because this was as long 741 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:49,320 or bright as like an early nineties Cadillac tail light. 742 00:43:49,599 --> 00:43:53,880 You know how they were long, And that's what my 743 00:43:54,039 --> 00:43:56,320 brain like, you know, it's a car doing in the woods, 744 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,960 Like how do you even get there? It went on, 745 00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:05,679 it illumined and went off. Everyone's accounting for. I don't 746 00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:08,440 know if there's any type of correlation to these things. 747 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,360 But what was interesting is is that the next day, 748 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,679 when I kind of was telling people about this light 749 00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:16,679 source and we kind of went to investigate, like what's 750 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,199 in this area? This is actually where we came across 751 00:44:20,519 --> 00:44:25,519 a what we called the cathedral because this was a 752 00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,599 This is probably gonna make some big foot nerds twitch, 753 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,280 but when I say a nest right where you had 754 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:38,440 this double decker weaving of branches that when you walked 755 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:43,079 into it, this was a bi level and it was 756 00:44:43,159 --> 00:44:45,840 so intricate, and there's you know, folks took pictures of it, 757 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:49,480 and we we didn't have a camera, but we had 758 00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:53,360 out ego, so we're getting better. But the BFO took 759 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,920 pictures of it, and like this was so such an 760 00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:02,079 amazing structure where it was like, okay, this wasn't too 761 00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:06,519 far off from that light source. And so the problem 762 00:45:06,519 --> 00:45:08,400 that I have with that is kind of going back 763 00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,039 to our original conversation, Like our initial conversation was what 764 00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:14,280 set of defense are you want when these things happen? 765 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,800 Because okay, there's a light source, call it an ORB 766 00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:24,480 that's been documented. Candidly, I will call that documented, But 767 00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,840 I can't connect the two. What did the two have 768 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,000 in common? Why is one? Why are they both here? 769 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,760 But yet like one was completely one hundred and eighty 770 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,920 degrees from each other and obviously nowhere you know, I'll 771 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,800 say nowhere in like the vicinity of what was happening. 772 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:48,000 So it just you know, you end up finding yourself 773 00:45:48,039 --> 00:45:53,079 potentially leaving the woods asking more questions. That's perfectly fine, 774 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,079 but I think that's also kind of what stirs the 775 00:45:56,119 --> 00:46:01,559 pot on the topic. And our is sounds much more woo, 776 00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,840 more physical, like it just it's that's a. 777 00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:11,360 Speaker 2: Challenge Sam Houston. That's also place that I've been that 778 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:15,320 is a It's a very unique place because the terrain 779 00:46:15,519 --> 00:46:19,599 changes so greatly as you're moving through that entire area. 780 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:24,880 It's more kind of open, almost an aspen type utah 781 00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:28,719 where there's not a lot of ground cover and thorny stuff, 782 00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:30,960 and then you move into the thorny, nasty stuff, and 783 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:39,000 then you go into swamps. And did you guys, did 784 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,960 you guys run into the packs of dogs? Did you 785 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,079 see any dogs while you were there? Like, that's a 786 00:46:43,159 --> 00:46:47,719 huge problem in the sam Houston is feral, massive package dogs. 787 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:53,920 Speaker 3: We're told about that, yeah, but didn't experience any of that. 788 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:59,920 What I One family member reported that they were walking 789 00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:06,039 up by the stench of onions and urine and just 790 00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:12,079 garbage and it like brushed the tent. Now, granted, the 791 00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:14,639 location that we got moved to Shannon was truly like 792 00:47:14,679 --> 00:47:17,760 Grand Central Station, Like we couldn't be have been further 793 00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,480 than fifty yards from like the toilets, but the fact 794 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:25,400 that this had brushed the tent. The family member heard 795 00:47:25,519 --> 00:47:29,880 like the squeaky, you know, vinyl tent sound, and then 796 00:47:30,159 --> 00:47:33,079 like kind of open up their eyes smelled it and 797 00:47:33,199 --> 00:47:35,920 was like what in the hell is that like gross? 798 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:42,159 Immediately like gross, but that's not the way the wind 799 00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:44,719 was blowing. So because the group was like, well, because 800 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,239 they shared that information, and it was like, well was it? 801 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:50,039 Was it the dumpsters? How do you know it wasn't 802 00:47:50,039 --> 00:47:53,519 the dumpster? It was like, because do you smell the dumpsters? Now? No, 803 00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,840 you don't like that. We didn't smell. This was like pulling. 804 00:47:59,519 --> 00:48:02,480 But the dog thing like that, I mean, which makes 805 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:06,480 me kind of wonder like, could that have been a dog? 806 00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,159 But I don't know why would it be just the one? 807 00:48:11,159 --> 00:48:13,119 I would assume that they'd travel in packs and the 808 00:48:13,159 --> 00:48:14,679 one wouldn't just be wandering around. 809 00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:19,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, not impossible, but probably doubtful because I think that's 810 00:48:19,519 --> 00:48:22,320 kind of one of the one of the big things 811 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,559 about it is they just travel in these packs of 812 00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:29,159 varying sizes. So and then the smell on top of 813 00:48:29,199 --> 00:48:31,559 that that is said to come and go and be 814 00:48:31,679 --> 00:48:33,239 so strong when it comes in. 815 00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:34,079 Speaker 5: Uh. 816 00:48:34,199 --> 00:48:39,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never smelled anything strange in the woods for 817 00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,119 any reason that I was like, oh, maybe that's a 818 00:48:42,159 --> 00:48:45,400 big No. Never has never happened. But as we well 819 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,320 know that it's not always the case when these things 820 00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,880 are around for whatever reasons, and some bathe I guess 821 00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,639 more than others, you know, or lack their up. 822 00:48:55,679 --> 00:48:55,920 Speaker 3: Yeah. 823 00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:00,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, some are just a little bit cleaner, someoney. 824 00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:03,559 Speaker 3: Someone had talking with someone on podcasts and they were 825 00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:07,760 saying that, well, maybe that's a defense mechanism to be 826 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,360 able to like discrete some type of an odor skunk. Sure, like, 827 00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,920 let's just call it that. What are your thoughts on that? 828 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,679 Speaker 2: I mean, so it's not that they're staying dirty and smelly, 829 00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,840 it's that they have some kind of a gland, possibly 830 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,159 like it's a It's okay, I mean yeah, why not 831 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,559 that that would make sense? 832 00:49:29,639 --> 00:49:31,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's just it. Number one. Can't prove it or 833 00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,800 disprove it. So yeah, it's your discretion, but it's it 834 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,280 was said, and I was like, well, that would be 835 00:49:40,599 --> 00:49:44,800 a crazy evolutionary trait potentially to be like I want 836 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,880 you auto here, so I'm going to start stinking. 837 00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:56,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, or maybe it's just you know they yeah, yeah, yeah, 838 00:49:56,119 --> 00:49:59,039 Frank the tank over here and he smells like garbage 839 00:49:59,079 --> 00:50:02,360 and urine. You know, you're like, oh, by foul. 840 00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,679 Speaker 3: Just don't want I just want you to leave, That's 841 00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:05,519 all I was trying to. 842 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:09,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, like where's your secret clinical you need to you 843 00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:11,679 need to roll that on. I mean that's a that's 844 00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:13,880 as good of a thought as anything else, to be 845 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,320 honest with you, And you know, for anybody to poo 846 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:19,559 poo really any idea, I think that's a great idea. 847 00:50:19,639 --> 00:50:22,800 I think that that's high. That could be highly likely too, 848 00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:26,840 that it's some kind of a gland or that they 849 00:50:27,199 --> 00:50:30,480 choose to they're like on button and you know, that 850 00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:35,119 would be very effective if we're going to. 851 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,440 Speaker 3: And I have a zapping story, at least what I 852 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,039 believe is a zapping story. 853 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,360 Speaker 2: Oh what were you doing, keV, let's hear it. What 854 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:45,800 did you do? 855 00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,199 Speaker 3: You know? So this was in Gifford Pinchot in Washington 856 00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:56,000 and again me a close friend and a relative, like, 857 00:50:56,559 --> 00:51:00,679 I gotta say, gang going threes three to me is 858 00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:03,280 such a magical number and go in the moonlight. I 859 00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:08,199 think it's a fantastic like combination and just a little 860 00:51:08,199 --> 00:51:12,159 psa bigfoot fellow nerds like start sharing your stories and 861 00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,480 like sharks, start sharing your your fishing holes, like we 862 00:51:15,559 --> 00:51:19,719 gotta we gotta do this together. But we so we 863 00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,599 were three and this is actually a time where we said, okay, 864 00:51:22,639 --> 00:51:25,639 we're gonna do some we're gonna do some gifting. So 865 00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:29,880 we had some blueberries, well the whole thing of blueberries, 866 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,800 just like we're gonna just leave this whole like little 867 00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:37,400 carra and open it up, leave it here. And I 868 00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,119 was like, let's just try and truly like sit here, 869 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,840 start a fire. But everyone just kind of close your 870 00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:51,159 eyes and talk to whatever might be out there. And 871 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:57,840 I remember doing this and seeing like, you know, I 872 00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,320 don't know if it was the flicker of fire, but 873 00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,239 just seeing a lot of shapes and just you and 874 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,599 I know people are thinking, oh, he was on something. Okay, 875 00:52:04,639 --> 00:52:08,840 I had it like two beers, so sat down, but 876 00:52:09,159 --> 00:52:12,280 just remember kind of like this openness is what we're 877 00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:16,519 trying to do and zero ill will intent of course, 878 00:52:16,639 --> 00:52:20,079 like we're not packing any protection, Like I don't even 879 00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:23,559 think we had bear spray. Any type of machete was 880 00:52:23,599 --> 00:52:26,840 like in a trunk and like what are you going 881 00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:31,480 to do with that anyways to anything. So we said, 882 00:52:31,519 --> 00:52:34,360 there's blueberris here. We're just opening ourselves up, love to 883 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,199 have an experience. You know, you're welcoming to our camp. 884 00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:42,159 Take anything you want. Right, nothing happened. We all decided 885 00:52:42,159 --> 00:52:45,679 to kind of go to bed, but then I woke 886 00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:51,760 up and truly didn't know. I felt so ill. I 887 00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,559 was like, oh my gosh, and my food poisoned from 888 00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,079 like the you know stop shot that we you know, 889 00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,639 the restaurant whatever or that that we stopped at before 890 00:53:01,679 --> 00:53:04,719 we got to the you know, our camp here. But 891 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,679 everyone ate the exact same thing, besides the fact that 892 00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:13,440 I had horse radis were like Worshshire sauce on my sandwich, 893 00:53:13,519 --> 00:53:16,920 which I don't think would have caused what happened there. 894 00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,519 But immediately woke up, it was like, oh my gosh, 895 00:53:20,519 --> 00:53:22,199 I'm going to be sick or I'm gonna you know, 896 00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,840 it's is it springtime or is it autumn? Is the 897 00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:26,760 best way I can kind of share that, right, like 898 00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:27,960 which end is it going to come out of? 899 00:53:28,079 --> 00:53:28,800 Speaker 2: Yeah? 900 00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,679 Speaker 3: And so, but then I look over to my relative 901 00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,239 who's sleeping in this, you know, the car seat next 902 00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,679 to me, and I was and they were going through something, 903 00:53:38,599 --> 00:53:40,679 and I was like, what's going on with you? And 904 00:53:40,679 --> 00:53:43,639 They're like, I just can't sleep, I feel anxious. I 905 00:53:43,679 --> 00:53:46,880 think I'm going to have I'm scared. Like they're like, 906 00:53:47,079 --> 00:53:49,400 are you okay? And I was like, yeah, I feel 907 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,400 like absolute crap. But like I need to like leave 908 00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:53,920 because I don't know what's going to happen. I don't 909 00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:57,400 want to do it in the car. And so they 910 00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:02,079 were kind of going through some type of things, which 911 00:54:02,199 --> 00:54:05,840 was canded the first time I've ever experienced this. I remember 912 00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,360 going through something like that which it broke my heart. 913 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:09,639 I didn't know how to help them. I didn't know 914 00:54:09,639 --> 00:54:13,440 how to help myself. And as I leave the vehicle 915 00:54:13,599 --> 00:54:15,480 to try to figure out, like, Okay, what tree am 916 00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:19,639 I going to like lean or sit against? Then I 917 00:54:19,679 --> 00:54:25,639 look at the other friend and now they are They 918 00:54:25,639 --> 00:54:30,000 were sleeping one minute, so okay, they're sleeping. But then 919 00:54:30,039 --> 00:54:31,960 as I try to find something to you know, just 920 00:54:32,159 --> 00:54:33,639 like what am I doing? How am I feeling? Like 921 00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,920 trying to tune into myself, The next thing I noticed 922 00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,440 is that they have a bushel of logs that they're 923 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:44,519 carrying around to try to start a fire. And I'm like, 924 00:54:45,639 --> 00:54:47,639 what are you doing? And there said, well, you're making 925 00:54:47,679 --> 00:54:50,440 so much noise. I you know, I was going to 926 00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,079 start a fire. I'm like, it's the middle of the night, Like, 927 00:54:53,159 --> 00:54:57,719 why are you starting a fire in shan This is 928 00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,639 kind of the weird thing. But then the next thing 929 00:54:59,679 --> 00:55:01,760 that and was like, as I'm still trying to figure 930 00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:03,440 out like what I'm what I'm trying to do, and 931 00:55:04,119 --> 00:55:07,719 trying to find, you know, some type of water or something. 932 00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,239 And the next thing I know, I looked at again 933 00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,599 and this person's now in their tent and they didn't 934 00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:12,199 start a fire. 935 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:14,000 Speaker 2: Wow. 936 00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:18,440 Speaker 3: And so I'm like, so the time of a lot 937 00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:22,000 of the things that were happening were just mind blowing, 938 00:55:22,679 --> 00:55:27,239 and it was really hard not to worry about this 939 00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:30,440 family member, worry about me physically what was happening, worry 940 00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,320 about the fact that this friend was like up and 941 00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,360 down with wood and now sleeping. Now he wasn't. Now 942 00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:42,159 he is, what's happening? And then like we we kind 943 00:55:42,159 --> 00:55:48,039 of so everything subsided. But then when we kind of 944 00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:52,840 talked about it the next morning, we couldn't really describe 945 00:55:53,039 --> 00:55:59,239 why things happened the way they did and why I 946 00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,119 felt the way I did, because I didn't feel that 947 00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:03,719 way anymore. Why this family member was having kind of 948 00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:08,000 a mental issue was happening, Why this other friend thought 949 00:56:08,039 --> 00:56:12,000 that they needed to build a fire right away but 950 00:56:12,039 --> 00:56:17,679 then like didn't, and there it just was it just 951 00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,199 didn't make sense. So that's kind of where I say Okay, 952 00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,679 I don't know. The only thing I could say was 953 00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,400 we opened ourselves up to for this potential creature to 954 00:56:27,920 --> 00:56:29,960 a reader minds, because we were trying to be more 955 00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:33,119 on the wu side that night. Come in, have these blueberries. 956 00:56:33,679 --> 00:56:35,440 Take them. We're not going to hurt you, do nothing. 957 00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:41,280 But we certainly got affected by whatever presence was in 958 00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:45,880 that area, and we were I'll put it this way though, 959 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:50,000 that we were so distraught that morning we didn't even 960 00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:53,599 check on the blueberries, which was it's hard to do 961 00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:57,519 when a certain circumstant Im'm sure the listeners are like, 962 00:56:57,599 --> 00:56:59,280 you got to be kidding. You took me through that 963 00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:04,360 whole story. Didn't even check the blueberries. Yeah, because when 964 00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,280 you go through a night like that, it's like, you 965 00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,800 know what, we're good. I don't know what it is. 966 00:57:09,199 --> 00:57:12,239 We're gonna leave it alone and give it a space. 967 00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:17,440 We'll try it with something or something else next time. 968 00:57:17,519 --> 00:57:21,119 But that was the zapping story, if you will. 969 00:57:22,159 --> 00:57:25,559 Speaker 2: All right, that's actually pretty fascinating unfortunate though for all 970 00:57:25,559 --> 00:57:27,920 of you. That sounds like a terrible night of camping. 971 00:57:28,719 --> 00:57:31,800 Talk about varying levels of effects for everybody. So the 972 00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:36,760 next morning, the person that was carrying the logs is 973 00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:42,280 most concerning to me. Did they did they? Well, I 974 00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:43,960 do feel bad that you are so sick, you know, 975 00:57:44,119 --> 00:57:48,119 but at least you seem to be of sound mind 976 00:57:48,599 --> 00:57:51,400 that the person carrying the logs. Did they remember the 977 00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:55,159 next day carrying logs saying I need to build a fire. 978 00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:56,599 Did they remember any. 979 00:57:56,440 --> 00:58:02,559 Speaker 3: Of that fade? They did? They were like, yeah, I 980 00:58:02,639 --> 00:58:04,440 was cold. I thought I was going to start a fire. 981 00:58:04,599 --> 00:58:09,760 But then they they were just like, yeah, but I didn't. 982 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:14,119 So I was like, but you took all that energy 983 00:58:14,159 --> 00:58:18,559 to go get the logs like you were. You were 984 00:58:18,599 --> 00:58:23,920 walking around like I remember as I was having a 985 00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:28,320 moment that they were gathering things like I could kind 986 00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,159 of see them. But it also freaked me out because 987 00:58:31,199 --> 00:58:35,719 in that moment, chin and I was like, and the 988 00:58:35,719 --> 00:58:37,880 first time I'll say it, I was like, what if 989 00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:44,960 this is a sasquatch telling, you know, making me think 990 00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:50,079 that I'm seeing my friend gather wood but it's not. 991 00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:55,360 And that was a very eerie feeling. Where then I 992 00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:56,760 started to kind of go into a little bit of 993 00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,639 a spiral myself mentally, and I was like, Okay, I'm 994 00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:06,519 I'm tapping out, but this this the friend did it 995 00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,199 but then didn't do anything of it, and he was like, 996 00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:14,119 I can't candidly, I don't think he could say why 997 00:59:14,159 --> 00:59:16,519 he gathered would and then didn't do anything with it. 998 00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,559 Speaker 2: So were you pretty relieved then to hear that he 999 00:59:20,639 --> 00:59:24,199 remembered at least starting to do that action. You were 1000 00:59:24,239 --> 00:59:26,880 probably like, oh, thank goodness, I do, but. 1001 00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:31,719 Speaker 3: No, one he can't answer why he didn't go through 1002 00:59:31,719 --> 00:59:35,480 with it. Yeah, to to do all of that and 1003 00:59:35,519 --> 00:59:38,920 then to not do anything with it, and especially after 1004 00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:40,639 I told him that, like, hey, I think we're going 1005 00:59:40,639 --> 00:59:45,159 through something, he was he was on his own like 1006 00:59:45,519 --> 00:59:47,559 path at that point for the night. 1007 00:59:48,159 --> 00:59:52,000 Speaker 2: Okay, because I tend to be a dark person anyway, 1008 00:59:52,039 --> 00:59:55,800 so it's easy for me to go here. But if 1009 00:59:55,800 --> 01:00:02,199 they you know, if they have these kinds of abilities 1010 01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:06,719 to make your friend, you know, go gather logs and 1011 01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,360 I'm I'm cold. But wait, now I changed my mind, 1012 01:00:09,559 --> 01:00:11,960 you know? Did so did they change their minds with 1013 01:00:12,079 --> 01:00:15,760 whatever that they were doing to him and say okay, 1014 01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:17,559 we're done with him. He can go, you can go 1015 01:00:17,639 --> 01:00:19,519 lay down, he doesn't need to, you know, keep on 1016 01:00:19,559 --> 01:00:22,760 doing this path. But does that mean then that if 1017 01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:26,079 if they continue to do something like this, especially with 1018 01:00:26,119 --> 01:00:28,960 somebody who is alone, or if they incapacity, like your 1019 01:00:29,039 --> 01:00:31,480 your other, your fam your family member was the one 1020 01:00:31,519 --> 01:00:35,639 having like the panic attack. Right, So if certain people 1021 01:00:35,639 --> 01:00:40,079 are incapacitated and they felt like take your your friend 1022 01:00:40,119 --> 01:00:47,000 with the logs, my mind just instantly goes to missing people. 1023 01:00:47,239 --> 01:00:50,159 And if they follow all the way through with something 1024 01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:52,920 like that, I mean, he could have just walked off 1025 01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:54,440 into the woods or something. 1026 01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,800 Speaker 3: Well, the funny thing is is we were all sleeping. 1027 01:01:01,199 --> 01:01:07,920 We had zero, zero defenses. They could have this thing 1028 01:01:09,239 --> 01:01:11,320 entity whatever you want to call it, could have come 1029 01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:15,280 in full on, taken whatever it wanted and left. I mean, 1030 01:01:15,320 --> 01:01:23,239 there's stealthy enough. Yeah, I can't understand why unless and 1031 01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:25,239 I thought you were going to go here, unless we 1032 01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:28,320 opened ourselves up to a different entity of the forest. 1033 01:01:28,519 --> 01:01:31,039 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's where I was going next is I honestly, 1034 01:01:31,199 --> 01:01:32,559 the part of me goes, I don't even know if 1035 01:01:32,599 --> 01:01:35,079 this is a bigfoot thing, you know at all? 1036 01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:40,079 Speaker 3: Like this was this was a weird and we're having 1037 01:01:40,199 --> 01:01:43,000 such a good time to initially right like. 1038 01:01:43,079 --> 01:01:46,719 Speaker 2: It's going so well, but it. 1039 01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:48,559 Speaker 3: Was, yeah, it was going so well, and then it 1040 01:01:48,599 --> 01:01:51,400 was like then later on checking with this family member 1041 01:01:52,559 --> 01:01:58,800 apparently they yeah, they were having some concerns. But then 1042 01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,199 when I started to oh, I don't know if I 1043 01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:04,199 feel well, and I got to get out of this car, 1044 01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:08,079 like I just I got to leave and leave. That 1045 01:02:08,159 --> 01:02:11,639 I think struck a chord with them because obviously they 1046 01:02:11,719 --> 01:02:15,519 were concerned about my health, and like, where do we go? 1047 01:02:15,679 --> 01:02:18,239 What do I do? What did I just get this 1048 01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:18,840 loved one? 1049 01:02:19,199 --> 01:02:19,280 Speaker 2: Like? 1050 01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:25,559 Speaker 3: What situation? And that's a spiraling thought and feeling. All 1051 01:02:25,599 --> 01:02:27,639 I can say was, again, I think if we would 1052 01:02:27,639 --> 01:02:30,559 have checked the blueberries and seeing that they were either 1053 01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:34,480 there or not, that would have full on changed the story. 1054 01:02:35,719 --> 01:02:38,800 But I feel like it's worth saying. It goes to 1055 01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:43,239 a lot of other bigfooters stories where they're there for 1056 01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,920 a purpose, they might even be solo camping. They have 1057 01:02:46,039 --> 01:02:51,840 some type of disturbance or brush racket that happens, and 1058 01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:55,159 it scares them enough that even though their sole purpose 1059 01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,920 is to have an experience, they get scared out of 1060 01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:02,119 their wits and they can't take it anymore and they leave. 1061 01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:06,239 It's such a common tale, I think with bigfooters, where 1062 01:03:06,360 --> 01:03:09,039 you're so hell bent on having an experience that you 1063 01:03:09,079 --> 01:03:12,000 think you can handle it, but then when it comes 1064 01:03:12,039 --> 01:03:14,119 down to it, and when like that rubber is on 1065 01:03:14,159 --> 01:03:17,559 the road and that brushes you know, there sounds like 1066 01:03:17,599 --> 01:03:20,639 a boulder coming through or a rhinoceros or whatever you 1067 01:03:20,639 --> 01:03:23,800 want to call it coming through that brush like that 1068 01:03:25,639 --> 01:03:30,679 causes such a flight signal in your brain where I 1069 01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,760 just it's hard to fight that. It's super hard to 1070 01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:34,119 fight that. 1071 01:03:34,639 --> 01:03:37,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that was not me diminishing what you went 1072 01:03:37,519 --> 01:03:40,920 through or your family member that was having the panic attack, 1073 01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,840 because the whole thing is actually I mean, when you 1074 01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:46,480 really think about it, I mean it's it's you know, 1075 01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,559 there's a little giggle here and there, but that's honestly, 1076 01:03:50,599 --> 01:03:53,280 it's a scary situation. I mean, when you really think 1077 01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:57,559 about it, that's very very terrifying and unnatural and very 1078 01:03:57,599 --> 01:04:01,320 intrusive and rude. Really, whoever or whatever did that, it 1079 01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:06,840 like it's sleeping. So yeah, And also, I mean the 1080 01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,800 other side of this is, like you said, it could 1081 01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:11,639 have just left you asleep and came in and got 1082 01:04:11,639 --> 01:04:14,280 whatever the hell they wanted. But they decided to do 1083 01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:17,360 all these theatrics and give me you guys for entertainment 1084 01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:17,880 or something. 1085 01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:24,519 Speaker 3: That's a hell of a viewpoint for entertainment. And I don't. 1086 01:04:24,599 --> 01:04:26,800 I mean, and you could think of it this way too. 1087 01:04:27,159 --> 01:04:32,360 There are humans who love mischief, and although we weren't 1088 01:04:32,400 --> 01:04:36,000 necessarily asking for that, you know, this is totally let's 1089 01:04:36,039 --> 01:04:41,559 just theorize here for a second. We're opening ourselves up. Hey, Sasquatch, 1090 01:04:43,159 --> 01:04:45,880 there's food here, there's blueberries. You love blueberries, don't yet 1091 01:04:47,639 --> 01:04:52,599 Sasquatch said, oh yeah, Hey, we're getting the sense that 1092 01:04:52,679 --> 01:04:57,800 the you know, the little hair, Yeah, the little hairlessens 1093 01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:59,960 little green take offense to that, Shannon. 1094 01:05:03,519 --> 01:05:04,960 Speaker 2: You could have picked another way. 1095 01:05:05,679 --> 01:05:13,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, you could have said anything. The two okay, but 1096 01:05:14,119 --> 01:05:17,920 the little green men right are saying, I hope we're 1097 01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,880 picking up a signal they got they got food or 1098 01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:24,159 bluebirds for us, right, whatever they call it. You know what, 1099 01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:31,880 that's cool. Check this out, Roy, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, exactly, 1100 01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:33,840 hold my pond water. Check this out. 1101 01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:37,119 Speaker 2: Or maybe there was never a big foot out there 1102 01:05:37,119 --> 01:05:39,199 to begin with. And the second that you shut your 1103 01:05:39,199 --> 01:05:41,599 eyes and you go, we're just here. We come in peace, 1104 01:05:42,159 --> 01:05:45,039 we're chill, we don't have Yeah. Something else is like 1105 01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:49,119 a Friday night, let's go party time. 1106 01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:51,840 Speaker 3: Hey, demon Roy, check this. 1107 01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:57,280 Speaker 2: Out, Demon Roy and Demon Gary. I tell you what 1108 01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:03,039 those boys go those do on that. Yes, tell you what? 1109 01:06:04,599 --> 01:06:09,320 So what about what about lasting effects besides the trip? 1110 01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,800 I mean really that was a traumatic little event that happened. 1111 01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:17,400 So what about physical lasting effects physical not not not 1112 01:06:17,559 --> 01:06:19,840 how it I want to ask this after, but just 1113 01:06:19,880 --> 01:06:20,920 a physical side first? 1114 01:06:23,159 --> 01:06:23,280 Speaker 3: Uh? 1115 01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:26,119 Speaker 2: None, Okay, that's good. 1116 01:06:26,639 --> 01:06:33,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean no more than well, perhaps when I 1117 01:06:33,199 --> 01:06:38,480 saw the shadow person up at Duluth the Insane Asylum, 1118 01:06:39,239 --> 01:06:43,880 that was probably more lasting than anything else. Yeah, but 1119 01:06:44,039 --> 01:06:47,320 this was not This was I mean, this affected me 1120 01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:50,480 just because we couldn't really put our finger on why 1121 01:06:50,519 --> 01:06:53,119 we were all having an episode or doing weird stuff 1122 01:06:53,159 --> 01:06:56,360 and or not, you know, doing something not doing something right. 1123 01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:59,639 And then but you tend to kind of compart to 1124 01:06:59,679 --> 01:07:01,599 mentally that And I've heard others on your show say 1125 01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:05,400 the same thing, and it's like, yeah, because what else 1126 01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:10,159 can you do? Yeah, I mean, and I guess. I 1127 01:07:10,199 --> 01:07:15,119 mean I have I have two fears in the forest, 1128 01:07:15,159 --> 01:07:19,480 which I'll share. It's like, yeah, I will be honest 1129 01:07:19,559 --> 01:07:22,000 and vulnerable to say that, Yes, one of my fears 1130 01:07:22,079 --> 01:07:27,239 is experiencing a sasquatch like but one of my fears 1131 01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:32,159 is also seeing it and then not being able to 1132 01:07:32,199 --> 01:07:35,719 go ever back into the forest, because that is a 1133 01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:39,440 very common tale with hunters, especially where forty fifty years 1134 01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:41,280 hunting and then they see something it's like I can't 1135 01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:43,599 go back to where I hunted as a child like that. 1136 01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:49,679 That stucks. Yeah, but I feel like that's where if 1137 01:07:49,719 --> 01:07:52,559 you can partmentalize it and say like, yeah, that happened 1138 01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:56,360 like and then I think for me, I try to 1139 01:07:56,440 --> 01:08:00,440 play that off. The logic side of me kicks sin says, Okay, 1140 01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,679 maybe I was food poisoned. Maybe this person had too 1141 01:08:02,719 --> 01:08:05,639 much to drink. Maybe this other person was in fact 1142 01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:10,119 cold and then hot or just felt like gathering firewood 1143 01:08:10,119 --> 01:08:12,199 and said, oh screw it. It's like I'm too tired 1144 01:08:12,239 --> 01:08:14,840 for this and didn't want to do it. Super logical, 1145 01:08:15,039 --> 01:08:22,079 super appropriate. So I think most of me tries to 1146 01:08:22,119 --> 01:08:24,239 explain it off in the logical sense. So that's why 1147 01:08:24,279 --> 01:08:27,840 I've kind of like I call it zapping. I call 1148 01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:31,039 it you know, it just happened. But it was a 1149 01:08:31,079 --> 01:08:33,800 weird enough circumstance to where I think it's interesting because 1150 01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:39,359 we were trying to again be open enough mentally and 1151 01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:42,520 energetically to contact a quote unquote ass watch and potentially 1152 01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:49,319 what read our thoughts like, don't I don't know if 1153 01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:53,560 I don't know if there is any logical like framing 1154 01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:53,960 of that. 1155 01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:02,800 Speaker 2: So do you think then that you will ever ever 1156 01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:06,319 attempt to go out into the woods and try that 1157 01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:07,199 tactic again? 1158 01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:12,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, because you know why. I'm a silly lizard human 1159 01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:17,960 bringing person. It says, well, I didn't learn my lesson, 1160 01:09:18,039 --> 01:09:20,159 and until I get burned by the stove, I'm going 1161 01:09:20,199 --> 01:09:22,479 to continue to touch it. That's the type of person. 1162 01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:25,159 Speaker 2: You want spring and summer at the same time. keV, 1163 01:09:26,079 --> 01:09:29,000 give it, let's go, I only had one before. 1164 01:09:29,880 --> 01:09:32,079 Speaker 3: No, I don't want spring, and. 1165 01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:36,680 Speaker 2: Let's bring it autumn. There we go. Yeah. Yeah, it's 1166 01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:37,279 no fun, is it. 1167 01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:39,960 Speaker 3: Oh? 1168 01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:42,520 Speaker 2: I mean we can wear diapers, but you can't really 1169 01:09:42,600 --> 01:09:44,159 hide it if you're wearing such a thing. 1170 01:09:44,279 --> 01:09:45,760 Speaker 3: That's why I say you want to sit or lean 1171 01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,600 against the tree. It's like, I'm just. 1172 01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:50,279 Speaker 2: Gonna lay on my side. I guess. Thanks. 1173 01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:52,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, so fun. 1174 01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, lay there and cry between bouts. 1175 01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:57,199 Speaker 3: This is an awesome podcast. 1176 01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:58,840 Speaker 2: Everyone's gonna love this. 1177 01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:00,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, check this out. 1178 01:10:02,119 --> 01:10:05,000 Speaker 2: They're like, oh, Shannon's talking about poop again. That's that's 1179 01:10:05,079 --> 01:10:11,640 pretty much as she rolls brown pants. Yeah, it happens. 1180 01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:13,600 It happens. I'm sorry everyone. 1181 01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:18,520 Speaker 3: I did not mean it wholehearted. I didn't mean to 1182 01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:19,119 bring me down. 1183 01:10:19,359 --> 01:10:21,439 Speaker 2: Even Sam would be like, Oh, we're gonna talk about 1184 01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:24,520 poop again today, Shannon. Great, Yeah, I've been doing that 1185 01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:29,319 for a long time for some reason. Yeah, we're gonna close. 1186 01:10:29,119 --> 01:10:29,560 Speaker 3: On more. 1187 01:10:33,039 --> 01:10:38,880 Speaker 2: So okay, So then how has it changed? Has it 1188 01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,840 changed it all for any three of you. I don't 1189 01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:43,560 know how often they go out for the purposes of 1190 01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:45,159 bigfoot or camping or fishing. 1191 01:10:46,399 --> 01:10:50,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, my my friend he's he's actually in Boring, Oregon, 1192 01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:55,239 so he's he's close with Cliff and Okay, Yeah, he's 1193 01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,800 very in tuned to the Sasquatch you know, vibe and 1194 01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:01,920 things like that. I remember. I just think it's their 1195 01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:04,720 age of I mean it was. It's a lot to 1196 01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:08,720 get out to that area, especially if you're flying, you know, right, 1197 01:11:08,840 --> 01:11:12,760 So they might be in a different you know, headspace 1198 01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:16,079 with it literally, But for myself, I try to do 1199 01:11:16,119 --> 01:11:23,640 what I can do. So we're actually going to Canada. 1200 01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:27,920 This is up in like the Lockdo Mills area of Canada, Ontario. 1201 01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:31,319 It's really more camping with a purpose at least for me. 1202 01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:38,359 But then going to the up in September obviously, after 1203 01:11:39,119 --> 01:11:43,680 or before hunting season starts, so it's not stopped me 1204 01:11:44,279 --> 01:11:46,800 so much. And of course, with all the things that 1205 01:11:46,800 --> 01:11:49,199 I'm doing with book writing and trying to make this 1206 01:11:49,279 --> 01:11:53,520 topic as accessible as possible the children, I gotta got 1207 01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:54,439 to keep moving forward. 1208 01:11:56,359 --> 01:12:00,359 Speaker 2: Has Clifford about this zapping incident, especially since the log 1209 01:12:00,399 --> 01:12:03,000 guy is right there? And I mean, what does Cliff 1210 01:12:03,039 --> 01:12:03,720 say about that? 1211 01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:10,000 Speaker 3: I haven't. I haven't specifically told Cliff. Potentially my friend 1212 01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:13,760 has because they're close. But Cliff's also pretty I mean, 1213 01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:16,720 he's open, I think to these but until and we 1214 01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:20,239 always had these experiences where he's had, you know, zappik instances, 1215 01:12:20,279 --> 01:12:22,319 and so I think it's I think it's a part 1216 01:12:22,319 --> 01:12:27,479 of Cliff's arena. But I don't know if I've yet 1217 01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:29,760 to hear him say that he's having experienced himself. 1218 01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:34,039 Speaker 2: It's just that level of confusion. I mean, at least 1219 01:12:34,079 --> 01:12:38,119 he remembered doing it the next day. But that's kind 1220 01:12:38,159 --> 01:12:40,920 of freaky, man. And was it in fact really cold 1221 01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:43,680 where you? I mean, building a fire wouldn't be insane. 1222 01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:47,399 Speaker 3: I mean I was sweating through my shirt because I 1223 01:12:47,399 --> 01:12:48,560 didn't know what was happening. 1224 01:12:49,039 --> 01:12:52,600 Speaker 2: Oh gosh, Okay, you. 1225 01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:53,920 Speaker 3: Want to go back to that topic. 1226 01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:56,399 Speaker 2: Dude, that weird. 1227 01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:03,880 Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, I was, I was exploding somewhere 1228 01:13:04,319 --> 01:13:04,760 or another. 1229 01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:08,800 Speaker 2: Okay, but okay, So but without your sickness though, where 1230 01:13:09,199 --> 01:13:11,439 was it actually cold? I mean to where a fire 1231 01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:16,680 would be cookie or not cookie. Rather, a fire would 1232 01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:18,039 be a normal thing to. 1233 01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:21,600 Speaker 3: Build amount of wood that this person it was almost 1234 01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:23,840 as if he was going to start a blaze. 1235 01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:26,079 Speaker 2: Oh my gracious, like a bonfire, like you all are 1236 01:13:26,079 --> 01:13:28,199 going to have a bonfire while you're just like he. 1237 01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:30,840 Speaker 3: And I was like, what are you doing? 1238 01:13:31,880 --> 01:13:35,960 Speaker 2: Wow? That's honestly, keV, that's pretty freaky, dude, that's a 1239 01:13:36,199 --> 01:13:40,119 really weird I would be freaked out. 1240 01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:44,520 Speaker 3: The family member was just in the car just like 1241 01:13:45,079 --> 01:13:46,000 this is all going out. 1242 01:13:46,119 --> 01:13:46,399 Speaker 5: I know what. 1243 01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:48,039 Speaker 2: Everyone's got their own thing. 1244 01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:53,880 Speaker 3: Everyone had their own weird thing happening. And so please 1245 01:13:53,880 --> 01:13:57,199 tell me that you've heard something like this before. 1246 01:13:57,800 --> 01:14:01,399 Speaker 2: I have not exactly this situation, but I definitely have 1247 01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:04,479 where there's it does seem like there's they talk about infrasound. 1248 01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:08,800 There's confusion, there's sickness. But I have to say, I 1249 01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:12,319 don't know. There's just something about your friend carrying those 1250 01:14:12,359 --> 01:14:15,439 logs around and being so adamant that I gotta start 1251 01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:18,079 this fire with this crap ton of wood, and then 1252 01:14:18,119 --> 01:14:20,880 going nope, just kidding. Do you remember if he like, 1253 01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:25,239 if he just I just gathered all and it must 1254 01:14:25,239 --> 01:14:27,800 have taken time to gather all that damn wood up. 1255 01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:32,720 Speaker 3: Which is why I was having like damn near hallucinations. 1256 01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:36,119 Shannona play right, it's not really my friend. Oh that's 1257 01:14:36,159 --> 01:14:39,319 a sasquatch pretending to be my friend who's walking around 1258 01:14:39,359 --> 01:14:44,399 the camp now taking things, and like it just was 1259 01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:46,079 a weird, weird moment. 1260 01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:52,000 Speaker 2: Moment unless it was a sasquatch and he implanted, you know, 1261 01:14:52,039 --> 01:14:54,640 the thoughts of the friend actually carrying the logs when 1262 01:14:54,680 --> 01:14:56,720 he actually wasn't carrying the logs. There could be all 1263 01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:03,720 kind of tomfoolery going on. Who knows sure, but it. 1264 01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:06,119 Speaker 3: Wasn't shared with Cliff. I at least I don't think. 1265 01:15:06,279 --> 01:15:08,680 I don't know if Cliff, I mean Cliff had let 1266 01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:12,880 him speak himself on that topic. But it's like, listen, 1267 01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:17,199 there's these things that happen, and at least folks like 1268 01:15:17,239 --> 01:15:19,479 Bobo haven't happened to them where they can kind of 1269 01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:23,479 corroborate the fact that like, yeah, you things happen like 1270 01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:26,319 this Running LeBlanc, I think was also another one of 1271 01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:29,560 Expedition Bigfoot where he was taken out like what the 1272 01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:34,640 entire season damn near the first season of Expedition Bigfoot 1273 01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:37,760 because he had a migraine and like he got zapped 1274 01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:42,199 like that was they kind of wrote him off the 1275 01:15:42,319 --> 01:15:49,159 show because of that potential instance. So I don't doubt 1276 01:15:49,199 --> 01:15:54,039 that things. I mean, it happens enough in these instances 1277 01:15:54,279 --> 01:15:59,560 and it will bring any person potentially to tears or 1278 01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:03,079 to say, I've like I'm tapping out. But this is 1279 01:16:03,079 --> 01:16:05,359 where I go back. I'm like, depending upon how big 1280 01:16:05,399 --> 01:16:09,439 that bigfoot bug bite is, like it might not deter you, 1281 01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:14,079 like it candidly, it hasn't deterred me or Bobo or 1282 01:16:14,119 --> 01:16:17,319 any anyone or or Ronnie like it's it's so it's 1283 01:16:18,079 --> 01:16:21,720 it happens, but like you work through it mentally, and 1284 01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:25,600 you because I don't think we have those answers of 1285 01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:29,159 truly what is it? Was it truly that Bigfoot? Was 1286 01:16:29,199 --> 01:16:33,479 it something else? You give the sasquatch some grace, and 1287 01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:37,880 this is I realized how kind of silly that might sound, 1288 01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:40,000 but like you give sasquatch some grace to be like, No, 1289 01:16:40,119 --> 01:16:43,119 this is the thing I've been looking forward to since 1290 01:16:43,159 --> 01:16:45,119 I was a child, Like, I'm going to give it 1291 01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:50,840 the room to potentially like show me different the next 1292 01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:52,760 time I goes you know, bigfooting or whatever. 1293 01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:55,640 Speaker 2: Well, on the other side of that is I mean, 1294 01:16:55,680 --> 01:16:57,880 I've talked to it like Chris Uh. He's over in 1295 01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:02,960 the Mogi on Rim and he had debilitating work injury 1296 01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:07,399 that decimated his hand and up to his arm. And 1297 01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:10,159 I've done several Patreon chafts of him too, where we 1298 01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:14,760 delved into this more but his experience, and I guess 1299 01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:16,800 you would say he's full on on the quote unquote 1300 01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:20,000 WU side, right. Everyone loves that three letter word, but 1301 01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:24,800 they get they get spoken to telepathically. But he feels 1302 01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:28,199 like he has been healed by going out and interacting 1303 01:17:28,319 --> 01:17:32,039 with at least this particular group of sass bottel. You know, 1304 01:17:32,119 --> 01:17:37,000 they're they're not making him given them explosive diarrhea and 1305 01:17:37,039 --> 01:17:38,239 all that. So that's nice. 1306 01:17:38,319 --> 01:17:43,119 Speaker 3: You know that that happened. I didn't say that. I 1307 01:17:43,159 --> 01:17:45,039 didn't say that. I didn't describe that. 1308 01:17:45,319 --> 01:17:48,560 Speaker 2: Just for the record, Yeah, let's just back it up. 1309 01:17:50,039 --> 01:17:52,760 You just said I just wasn't feeling well, Shannon, come on, 1310 01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:56,840 don't put words on my mount please. You were editorializing 1311 01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:58,680 my symptoms. 1312 01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:03,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're it's a great pr. 1313 01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:07,159 Speaker 2: You're like, well, I won't list this on my website. 1314 01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:14,479 Whoa you're You're like I was just on coast to 1315 01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:16,399 coast and they were so professional, and then I go 1316 01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:19,680 to to I T I thinks, I'm so. 1317 01:18:19,800 --> 01:18:27,439 Speaker 3: Looking forward to this. About this is this is the 1318 01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:30,000 human element of going on on big footing, Like there 1319 01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:34,039 are things that happen, and yeah, you have to laugh 1320 01:18:34,039 --> 01:18:38,399 about this if you were if it's if you weren't 1321 01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:42,920 truly bodily harmed or mentally, physically whatever it is. But 1322 01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:45,159 like if you're still maybe you're okay that next morning 1323 01:18:45,199 --> 01:18:47,680 you can have coffee. You can then like you're pretty 1324 01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:50,560 we have a beer or whatever it is, to like relax, 1325 01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:55,319 like you're fine. And I think that that's perhaps like 1326 01:18:55,359 --> 01:19:00,840 the biggest like highlight of this story is that everyone 1327 01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:04,399 was fine with a story. Everyone continues to love this topic. 1328 01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:10,039 We can't explain what happened, but like we move on 1329 01:19:10,359 --> 01:19:12,640 and like that to me is perhaps like the most 1330 01:19:12,680 --> 01:19:15,359 important thing. And it is super unfortunate when I hear 1331 01:19:15,399 --> 01:19:19,640 these stories of these hunters or wherever of not feeling 1332 01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:22,560 as if they can go back to this area where 1333 01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:27,640 they love, like, oh, that's that's I couldn't imagine being 1334 01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:33,039 able to do that, right, So yeah, for whatever that's worth. 1335 01:19:34,199 --> 01:19:36,640 Speaker 2: And can I just say, and on a serious note, 1336 01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:39,279 but I do appreciate the fact that you actually you 1337 01:19:39,399 --> 01:19:43,279 share every aspect of what occurred, especially with you, right, 1338 01:19:43,399 --> 01:19:46,079 like I mean, I thank you, thank you for doing that, 1339 01:19:46,159 --> 01:19:49,079 because it's easy to leave certain parts out or just 1340 01:19:49,119 --> 01:19:51,399 not tell the story at all, which we know happens 1341 01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:55,840 a lot, which I do wish. I think it's slowly 1342 01:19:56,199 --> 01:19:58,880 even though there's a million podcasts now, I think it's 1343 01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:02,079 getting a little bit more ECST. But no matter what, 1344 01:20:02,199 --> 01:20:04,199 there's gonna be people that are going to I'm gonna 1345 01:20:04,199 --> 01:20:06,520 tell us all that this happened because it's just too weird. 1346 01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:12,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, But I the reason why I tell it is 1347 01:20:12,399 --> 01:20:17,479 because I think it's important. A because again it's interesting. 1348 01:20:18,319 --> 01:20:20,520 It seems like our conversation is all about space, right. 1349 01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:23,600 You have to give those who have these stories this 1350 01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:27,159 space to tell it, and you're allowing me the space 1351 01:20:27,359 --> 01:20:30,600 when you're show and tell these stories, and hopefully it 1352 01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:34,000 gives others some of that, you know, selas to think, oh, okay, 1353 01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:37,600 I've been that that happened to me. I should maybe 1354 01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:41,760 tell my best friend or whomever. But yeah, it's it's 1355 01:20:41,840 --> 01:20:46,319 so important to share this because I think that there's 1356 01:20:47,119 --> 01:20:51,199 these are all data points, and I think that this 1357 01:20:51,319 --> 01:20:54,319 is why, whether it's the BFO or anyone else's mission 1358 01:20:54,359 --> 01:20:56,600 to kind of collect these stories, perhaps yourself, Shannon, to 1359 01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:01,840 collect these stories, I wish And this kind of goes 1360 01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:04,640 back to AI perhaps right where it's like we can 1361 01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:09,399 feed AI all these stories and map out what is 1362 01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:14,399 it that exactly like statistically are we getting at? Is 1363 01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:17,399 this more like what is this more on the spectrum 1364 01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:19,840 of all of these stories. I think that would be 1365 01:21:20,199 --> 01:21:25,000 such an amazing data point to have of where this 1366 01:21:25,039 --> 01:21:27,800 potential topic lies on, because at the end of the day, 1367 01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:30,720 for me, it's like, well, is it truly more wou 1368 01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:33,560 or is it truly paranormal whatever you want to call it, 1369 01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:37,359 or is it truly more scientific like nope, this was 1370 01:21:37,399 --> 01:21:40,159 a flesh and blood thing, and that would be such 1371 01:21:40,199 --> 01:21:41,520 an amazing data point. 1372 01:21:42,039 --> 01:21:47,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I agree that I the more data points 1373 01:21:47,399 --> 01:21:50,560 that we have, the better, So I just but I 1374 01:21:50,560 --> 01:21:56,000 always say this because even if it's a more tongue 1375 01:21:56,039 --> 01:21:59,399 in cheek or embarrassing detail, or maybe it's a detail 1376 01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:03,600 that someone thinks is so so innocuous, so tiny, I 1377 01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:05,520 shouldn't even I don't know why I'm going to mention this, 1378 01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:08,039 but I'll just mention it. And sometimes it's that little 1379 01:22:08,119 --> 01:22:11,560 detail that gets three other people to email me and 1380 01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:14,319 they're like, oh my gosh, that's how I know they're 1381 01:22:14,359 --> 01:22:17,199 telling the truth, you know, like I believe them because 1382 01:22:17,199 --> 01:22:19,159 they said this. What that was just one little thing? 1383 01:22:20,119 --> 01:22:25,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, which is which makes this You're the 1384 01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:29,720 first person to ever focus on the friend gathering the logs, 1385 01:22:31,119 --> 01:22:36,640 because that is something that hearing the story was like, 1386 01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:40,680 well why were they? Well what compelled them to do so? 1387 01:22:41,439 --> 01:22:44,159 And then not follow through? I mean that sounds like 1388 01:22:44,239 --> 01:22:48,159 something like I don't know, Boris Karloff as Dracula being 1389 01:22:48,239 --> 01:22:50,640 like you're you know, you're attracted, you know, look into 1390 01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:52,600 my eyes and then like, hey, I'm done with you 1391 01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:56,640 like that just kidding. It's like yeah, right, And so 1392 01:22:57,079 --> 01:23:00,359 that to me is you're making me think about that, 1393 01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:05,039 and I'm like, I couldn't. It's a very interesting if 1394 01:23:05,079 --> 01:23:08,920 that's let's just say that's the case, very interesting detail. 1395 01:23:09,159 --> 01:23:14,000 And I don't know what to make of that now, 1396 01:23:14,399 --> 01:23:15,159 So thank you for that. 1397 01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:20,039 Speaker 2: I appreciate it, like took it dark. Thanks. That's concerning great. 1398 01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:24,079 Speaker 3: Now I have to call and be like, are you okay? 1399 01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:27,039 Speaker 2: Did you walk off into the woods at any point 1400 01:23:27,159 --> 01:23:31,199 while I was asleep? While we were asleep, Well. 1401 01:23:31,079 --> 01:23:33,800 Speaker 3: I was enjoying life for you good. 1402 01:23:35,600 --> 01:23:39,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean people, and you've said it, and I 1403 01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:42,399 appreciate so much that you said this, and I'm right 1404 01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:46,000 there with you because I'm also on the page. I 1405 01:23:46,039 --> 01:23:47,359 want to see big foot. I need to see it. 1406 01:23:47,399 --> 01:23:49,159 I need I need to see it for myself to 1407 01:23:49,199 --> 01:23:52,359 know one. And you know, I do believe that they're 1408 01:23:52,359 --> 01:23:52,720 out there. 1409 01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:55,159 Speaker 3: But you have to be careful, worried about the facts 1410 01:23:55,199 --> 01:23:56,319 that are going to have on you. 1411 01:23:56,439 --> 01:24:00,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to be careful because we've both heard horrifying, 1412 01:24:00,239 --> 01:24:02,680 horrible tales and you said it. The best way to 1413 01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:05,960 say it is like this hunter they forty fifty years 1414 01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:09,560 as their favorite thing to do, and they've they've there 1415 01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:11,640 now they're my neighbor in Vegas. Because they don't even 1416 01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:15,560 want to see any woods anymore, you know it something horrible, Yeah. 1417 01:24:15,399 --> 01:24:17,279 Speaker 3: Because they don't want to be worn near a forest. 1418 01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:21,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that is so, that's so sad, that's 1419 01:24:21,239 --> 01:24:23,920 it's something they'd love to do. I've heard, We've heard 1420 01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:27,600 that time and again. And there's so many varying levels 1421 01:24:27,680 --> 01:24:33,079 of this topic that you just don't know what your 1422 01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:35,800 what that situation's going to look like. And you sure 1423 01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:36,840 as heck can't pick it. 1424 01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:42,119 Speaker 3: No, no, but the question doesn't pick you. 1425 01:24:42,399 --> 01:24:45,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, right right, because that whole night, you guys could 1426 01:24:45,680 --> 01:24:48,239 have sat in the cars and had a campfire and 1427 01:24:48,399 --> 01:24:52,640 roasted some mollows and not heard or seen a dang thing. 1428 01:24:53,159 --> 01:24:57,800 And if you hadn't have closed your eyes and asked 1429 01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:02,960 for it, would that have happened anyway? So I can't say, 1430 01:25:03,319 --> 01:25:05,039 come on, keV, you need to give me the answers. 1431 01:25:05,199 --> 01:25:10,479 I'm just kidd Okay, you're an expert. I want to 1432 01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:12,800 talk to the experts that know everything. I love those. 1433 01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:16,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, sorry, sorry, you have to pretend. 1434 01:25:18,119 --> 01:25:21,520 Speaker 2: Okay, So let's actually talk about Bigfoot archive and then 1435 01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:25,159 of course your your books. Now that we've gotten all 1436 01:25:25,199 --> 01:25:27,720 the other the D word out of the way, demons 1437 01:25:27,720 --> 01:25:30,760 and the other D word, let's talk about Bigfoot archive first. 1438 01:25:31,479 --> 01:25:36,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, so Bigfoot archive was kind of a thought of 1439 01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:40,640 this friend who knew that I was collecting all of 1440 01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:47,119 this bigfoot stuff and books, magazines, anything that told the 1441 01:25:47,359 --> 01:25:52,119 wild man Sasquatch story at a global scale. And so 1442 01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:56,760 this is where you know I was. Part of me 1443 01:25:56,880 --> 01:26:01,399 was trying to differentiate myself from say Barrickman's museum at 1444 01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:05,399 the North American Bigfoot Center, that's a lot about prints 1445 01:26:05,399 --> 01:26:08,960 and the science of it, and so there are others 1446 01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:12,479 as well in the country. But for me, it was like, 1447 01:26:13,159 --> 01:26:17,039 there's an angle potentially here of the global story, not 1448 01:26:17,199 --> 01:26:22,720 just North America. And as well as that, the there's 1449 01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:27,199 a there's a medium story here, right, whether that's in 1450 01:26:27,239 --> 01:26:29,720 a board game, whether that's in a magazine, whether it's 1451 01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:34,880 in a newspaper, whether it's in a book, audio, video, movie. Right, 1452 01:26:35,119 --> 01:26:38,399 these are all things that are happening around this planet 1453 01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:43,479 that are centered around this topic. So, now this is 1454 01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:47,520 a bit of an expensive goal because you have to 1455 01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:52,279 acquire these things, but I thought it was necessary because 1456 01:26:52,319 --> 01:26:55,960 it's telling a story, and that story is that these 1457 01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:59,720 things are truly out there and that you know, when 1458 01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:03,960 we look at say sorry to hear those things. If 1459 01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:06,840 you look at say, you know, the abominable Stima Legend 1460 01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:09,680 Come to Life by Ivan Sanderson. You know, this is 1461 01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:15,600 a really fantastic book of the exploration of the yetty 1462 01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:20,279 and similar cryptids around the world. Right, So Sanderson really 1463 01:27:20,319 --> 01:27:25,439 combines all the field research, folklore, first handing accounts to 1464 01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:30,279 presents a really comprehensive look at the evidence and theories 1465 01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:33,000 surrounding this creature. And so I think that that, to 1466 01:27:33,079 --> 01:27:36,640 me is where I was kind of taking that and saying, 1467 01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:40,960 what if I were to gather the magazines that he 1468 01:27:41,079 --> 01:27:43,439 lists in the back of his book, what if I 1469 01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:46,720 were to take the board games and all these things 1470 01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:51,720 that kind of drive kind of the psyche of this 1471 01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:57,720 topic into the forefront into mainstream domain. And so that's 1472 01:27:57,760 --> 01:28:00,520 what the Bigfoot Archive is really all about. And so 1473 01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:03,319 I literally post every Monday and Thursday as much as 1474 01:28:03,319 --> 01:28:07,399 I can, whether it's a different book, medium, things like that, 1475 01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:09,720 but give a little bit of a background too as 1476 01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:13,279 to like why this is so important. So that's that's 1477 01:28:13,319 --> 01:28:15,479 really what the Bigfoot Archive is all about. 1478 01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,479 Speaker 2: And that's Instagram, right or do you are you also 1479 01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:20,359 on Twitter and all the others or is that just 1480 01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:22,439 specifically on Twitter? 1481 01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:23,600 Speaker 3: On Facebook? 1482 01:28:24,039 --> 01:28:25,920 Speaker 2: I don't blame you for not being on Twitter. 1483 01:28:26,920 --> 01:28:31,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I can go into why I'm not, 1484 01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:34,960 but like, that's that's easiest for one person to kind 1485 01:28:35,000 --> 01:28:37,479 of put all their chatch keys up in one area. 1486 01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:39,359 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I understand that, trust me. 1487 01:28:39,439 --> 01:28:39,640 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1488 01:28:39,640 --> 01:28:43,760 Speaker 2: Bigfoot archive on Instagram. And the books. Okay, Billy Finds 1489 01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:47,319 Bigfoot was your first, and the latest one is Is 1490 01:28:47,359 --> 01:28:49,159 It Real or Not? 1491 01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:54,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, and a little bit of a news update. The 1492 01:28:54,920 --> 01:29:01,159 true latest is Cedar's Soup Day. That is for kind 1493 01:29:01,159 --> 01:29:04,199 of a just like two to five, but candidly, anyone 1494 01:29:04,239 --> 01:29:06,560 who just loves Bigfoot books, this is a great one. 1495 01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:10,399 But yeah, Billy Find's Bigfoot was my first, and then 1496 01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:12,159 is It Really or Not? Was my second. 1497 01:29:13,319 --> 01:29:16,359 Speaker 2: So Cedar Soup Day is about to be released then, 1498 01:29:16,399 --> 01:29:18,239 because I did write that down, but. 1499 01:29:18,359 --> 01:29:22,039 Speaker 3: Or already is available on Amazon as well as Barnes 1500 01:29:22,079 --> 01:29:25,560 and Noble. And that is more of my attempt to 1501 01:29:27,199 --> 01:29:31,439 do claymation. I always wanted to do that. But this 1502 01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:34,880 is a very simple, more again picture book kind of 1503 01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:39,720 intro story, and you could potentially look at it as 1504 01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:43,119 you could do Theedar Soup Day as they get older 1505 01:29:43,159 --> 01:29:45,640 and read them a bed time story. The littles in 1506 01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:48,199 your life. You could do Billy Fine's Bigfoot and then 1507 01:29:48,239 --> 01:29:52,760 as they Gident's Middle School, say eight years old and above, 1508 01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:55,399 they can do is it real or not? But yeah, 1509 01:29:55,439 --> 01:29:59,000 Theedar soupd is just a very simple story about a 1510 01:29:59,319 --> 01:30:02,239 Sasquatch named Cedar. He wants to wake up one day 1511 01:30:02,479 --> 01:30:04,600 and he says, no, what, Today's a good day for 1512 01:30:04,680 --> 01:30:06,319 soup and he goes mushroom hunting. 1513 01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:11,279 Speaker 2: They're so cute. The children's books with any anything having 1514 01:30:11,279 --> 01:30:15,119 to do with Bigfoot. I just love and you do 1515 01:30:15,239 --> 01:30:19,600 write under like I mentioned, keV Kyev, just like it 1516 01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:24,039 sounds keV listars. So you can find those books on Amazon, 1517 01:30:24,279 --> 01:30:27,439 Barnes and Noble and of course Bigfoot Archive on Instagram, 1518 01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:29,520 but I'll have everything linked. Did you want to mention 1519 01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:34,159 any other any socials or anything that you wanted to mention, you. 1520 01:30:34,119 --> 01:30:37,800 Speaker 3: Know, so yeah, the Bigfoot Archive on Instagram. Please give 1521 01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:40,720 me a follow. But then if you like, you know 1522 01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:43,880 some Bigfoot merch, Sasquatch things, T shirts, whatever, you can 1523 01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:46,000 find that on Pine Shadow Design that's on that s. 1524 01:30:46,439 --> 01:30:49,800 You can also find Billy Fan's Bigfoot on Doug Hicheck's 1525 01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:53,560 publishing company, Hanger One Publishing, which I mean, if you 1526 01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:58,800 want to talk about lightning striking. It's the story of 1527 01:30:59,359 --> 01:31:01,840 meeting Doug hi Check for the first time in the 1528 01:31:01,880 --> 01:31:05,840 Wisconsin forest and just letting him know that I had 1529 01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:09,479 a Bigfoot children's book ready and he would just so 1530 01:31:09,560 --> 01:31:12,359 happen to be like in the market for more Bigfoot 1531 01:31:12,399 --> 01:31:15,079 children's books, and so I got signed. So that was 1532 01:31:15,159 --> 01:31:19,239 kind of how Doug and I started a report and 1533 01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:23,720 got signed. But also, if you want to talk about 1534 01:31:24,239 --> 01:31:30,319 strange things following a person, Doug is he's got high 1535 01:31:30,399 --> 01:31:32,560 strangeness following him wherever he goes. 1536 01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:37,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, some people sure do. And I don't know if 1537 01:31:38,000 --> 01:31:42,199 it's like if you had any I'm sure that you 1538 01:31:42,239 --> 01:31:43,159 would have mentioned this. 1539 01:31:43,239 --> 01:31:43,520 Speaker 1: Oh. 1540 01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:47,520 Speaker 2: I forgot to ask keV when was the Gifford Pinchot 1541 01:31:48,039 --> 01:31:49,600 zapping incident? When did that occur? 1542 01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:58,319 Speaker 3: Uh? Twenty twenty twenty? 1543 01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:05,479 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, Did you have any any any weird 1544 01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:07,399 stuff happened at home after that? 1545 01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:13,359 Speaker 3: No? But I will say the weird things that happened 1546 01:32:13,399 --> 01:32:18,039 at home were when I did do more of the 1547 01:32:18,079 --> 01:32:20,399 ghost hunting thing, and that was my one and only 1548 01:32:20,479 --> 01:32:27,319 time up at that insane asylum at Duluth, Minnesota. I 1549 01:32:27,399 --> 01:32:31,880 actually had a I mean, so we were in this hallway. 1550 01:32:31,920 --> 01:32:33,600 And again, this is like a group of like ten 1551 01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:37,359 to fifteen folks right already feeling a lot of things. 1552 01:32:37,439 --> 01:32:40,600 And perhaps I'm a sensitive person, but we were in 1553 01:32:40,640 --> 01:32:44,159 the basement kind of celler started to feel very strange. 1554 01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:46,840 But then once we got up to towards like the 1555 01:32:46,880 --> 01:32:50,640 main floor, we were all kind of like, all, you know, 1556 01:32:50,760 --> 01:32:54,279 all there's a hallway, people are leaning against this wall, 1557 01:32:54,880 --> 01:33:00,479 people are learning leaning against another and I'm to like 1558 01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:03,600 just adjust my feet. But what I saw was a 1559 01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:08,640 full on like shadow figure. Because you can kind of 1560 01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:10,640 see a light where people are standing things, but this 1561 01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:13,079 thing was so black it blocked out the light, and 1562 01:33:13,079 --> 01:33:17,000 I thought that someone was in like what I saw 1563 01:33:17,119 --> 01:33:19,520 was someone in a feel position, lying on the floor. 1564 01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:25,079 And I literally went on my tiptoes because I thought 1565 01:33:25,119 --> 01:33:27,319 I was going to fall on this person. So like 1566 01:33:27,359 --> 01:33:29,279 I literally went on my tiptoes and like leaned back, 1567 01:33:29,279 --> 01:33:33,039 and I was like my thought process was, what the 1568 01:33:33,119 --> 01:33:35,039 hell is someone doing laying on the floor, Like who 1569 01:33:35,079 --> 01:33:38,520 is laying the floor right now? But then kind of, 1570 01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:42,439 you know, blink or whatever, and this figure was gone. 1571 01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:47,800 I didn't say anything, Shannon until the one of the 1572 01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:51,680 leaders and one of the leaders of the group, was like, oh, sorry, 1573 01:33:51,720 --> 01:33:54,680 I didn't mean to hit you with my backpack. Oh 1574 01:33:54,720 --> 01:33:57,680 whoa wait, that was super weird. I thought I just 1575 01:33:57,880 --> 01:34:02,439 was going to hit someone with my backpack, and but 1576 01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:06,279 they're not there. And so then I said, okay, time out. 1577 01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:10,199 Turn on the lights right, like, get this place lit up, 1578 01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:12,920 although they couldn't, and I was like, okay, I just 1579 01:34:12,920 --> 01:34:16,319 got to stop the group. I'm sorry. I swear I 1580 01:34:16,359 --> 01:34:20,439 just saw that same figure by my feet. I thought 1581 01:34:20,479 --> 01:34:23,079 I was going to fall on them. And so explained 1582 01:34:23,119 --> 01:34:29,720 the situation. And I will say that I don't know 1583 01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:34,880 if it was necessarily that figure or that situation, but 1584 01:34:35,119 --> 01:34:41,359 like it was a steady couple of years of not 1585 01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:49,479 feeling mentally whole, and it continued and visited Las Vegas. 1586 01:34:49,479 --> 01:34:51,720 There's a specific museum. I'm sorry. I'm just not going 1587 01:34:51,800 --> 01:34:57,840 to mention it because it also continued the mental illness. Yeah, 1588 01:34:57,880 --> 01:35:01,720 I know, I know, you know ye, And so it 1589 01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:06,520 was just like I got did not deal with this stuff. 1590 01:35:06,319 --> 01:35:10,319 Speaker 2: I used to. Did you go in the the last room? 1591 01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:12,760 Speaker 3: Is that why I saw all of it? 1592 01:35:13,359 --> 01:35:15,199 Speaker 2: Do you think that's why that was because you went 1593 01:35:15,239 --> 01:35:16,800 in the in the basement section. 1594 01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:21,359 Speaker 3: No, I think because there was I mean, just a. 1595 01:35:21,319 --> 01:35:23,319 Speaker 2: Whole place in general, probably. 1596 01:35:23,039 --> 01:35:27,520 Speaker 3: All of that section is just not fun, right. I 1597 01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:30,239 guess it's just you're you're holding onto things that aren't 1598 01:35:30,479 --> 01:35:32,600 particularly energetically. 1599 01:35:32,039 --> 01:35:33,479 Speaker 2: Positive, that's for sure. 1600 01:35:34,399 --> 01:35:37,359 Speaker 3: And so but the thing is, these things were happening 1601 01:35:37,439 --> 01:35:40,960 way before then. So again I kind of liken it 1602 01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:49,399 too well. I associate it with potentially that maybe it 1603 01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:52,000 was in a bad relationship, which is also true at 1604 01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:56,520 that point in time. But boy, just one thing after 1605 01:35:56,560 --> 01:36:00,720 another with just not feeling mentally whole for few years 1606 01:36:00,960 --> 01:36:05,399 and kind of like the big thing, like you you 1607 01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:11,239 figure out ways to get past it and to confront things, 1608 01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:14,960 and you know, I do consider myself a bit lucky 1609 01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:18,000 in those instances where it's like, yeah, I think those 1610 01:36:18,079 --> 01:36:19,920 years are past me now, Like sure they creep up 1611 01:36:19,960 --> 01:36:23,319 here and there, but it's you find ways to work 1612 01:36:23,359 --> 01:36:27,239 through it. But that particularly so when you talk about 1613 01:36:27,359 --> 01:36:29,479 you know, clingers, if that's you know, kind of what 1614 01:36:29,520 --> 01:36:32,399 you're referring to, that would be probably the only time 1615 01:36:32,399 --> 01:36:35,840 where I was like, those were those were unfortunate couple 1616 01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:36,600 of years. 1617 01:36:37,399 --> 01:36:40,840 Speaker 2: See, And I mean, honestly, I think most people would 1618 01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:43,960 count me lucky, of course, And I do too when I. 1619 01:36:43,880 --> 01:36:46,159 Speaker 3: Talk to places. 1620 01:36:46,359 --> 01:36:48,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, like I went to Fox Hello Farm and I 1621 01:36:48,840 --> 01:36:51,119 slept in the basement right next to the pool where 1622 01:36:51,159 --> 01:36:53,159 he did all these horrible things and he killed these 1623 01:36:53,159 --> 01:36:57,479 people and there's bodies buried and nothing happened. Zero. I 1624 01:36:57,520 --> 01:37:01,439 didn't bring anything home. And that is good, Yeah, actually 1625 01:37:01,520 --> 01:37:04,159 so great. Not the first night, but it was just 1626 01:37:04,199 --> 01:37:06,960 there was so much going on, and I mean, Robert 1627 01:37:07,079 --> 01:37:11,159 was so amazing showing me everything everywhere we walked it anyway, 1628 01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:14,279 But and I realized that how stupid that sounds to 1629 01:37:14,399 --> 01:37:16,399 sound like I'm so bummed out? Did I you know, 1630 01:37:16,520 --> 01:37:21,079 nothing horrible and terrifying and happened. 1631 01:37:21,560 --> 01:37:26,319 Speaker 3: One night, but like when something happens like month after 1632 01:37:26,399 --> 01:37:28,439 month or week after week after month after well. 1633 01:37:28,399 --> 01:37:31,319 Speaker 2: Right, And that's where I was going is you can 1634 01:37:31,920 --> 01:37:35,439 people will go to a place and have something happen 1635 01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:38,119 and that's why they went there, And others can leave 1636 01:37:38,199 --> 01:37:41,840 and there's a cool story from one night, others that 1637 01:37:42,239 --> 01:37:46,399 might have been in that same room, Like you, well, 1638 01:37:46,760 --> 01:37:48,680 you have a little you got a little gum on 1639 01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:51,000 your shoe now and you're gonna be dealing with that. 1640 01:37:51,079 --> 01:37:54,000 And the problem is and not that I'm saying and 1641 01:37:54,199 --> 01:37:59,399 honestly the mental aspect of it, and and just feeling 1642 01:37:59,439 --> 01:38:03,079 down or feeling blue or sad or not being able 1643 01:38:03,079 --> 01:38:07,439 to deal with things that we normally deal with things horrible. 1644 01:38:09,119 --> 01:38:12,560 But it's not just oh there's knocking, Oh there's knocking 1645 01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:14,960 at night, or oh I see a shadow out of 1646 01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:17,960 the corner of my eye. Sometimes it is just this 1647 01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:23,439 internal battle that has started and you don't know why. 1648 01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:28,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, to me, that's the most intrusive. 1649 01:38:28,199 --> 01:38:31,319 Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely that's the worst. 1650 01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:34,560 Speaker 3: And you see that. I saw something in the court 1651 01:38:34,560 --> 01:38:36,279 of my eye the other the other day and I 1652 01:38:36,319 --> 01:38:40,279 was like, okay, well what right, Like it just happens, right, 1653 01:38:40,399 --> 01:38:45,039 But no, this feeling was very particular for a very 1654 01:38:45,079 --> 01:38:52,279 long time. But there's resources, whether it's therapy, whether it's 1655 01:38:52,359 --> 01:38:54,479 you know, talking to a loved one, whether it's sharing 1656 01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:57,479 your experience. And again this is why full circle where 1657 01:38:57,479 --> 01:39:00,159 it's just comes back to like if you have a 1658 01:39:00,159 --> 01:39:02,840 friend or loved one or even acquaintance or whatever who's 1659 01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:05,039 sharing something with you, they're doing it to be vulnerable 1660 01:39:05,039 --> 01:39:09,880 and you know, just just listen, right and just yeah, 1661 01:39:12,239 --> 01:39:14,439 even though you might not be able to reciprocate, it's 1662 01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:19,640 like it's totally it's but it's it's when those things happen. 1663 01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:23,800 But yeah, you've got to really be strong and like 1664 01:39:24,159 --> 01:39:26,279 try to move past it the best you can. And 1665 01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:30,720 I feel like I have. But and I don't know 1666 01:39:30,760 --> 01:39:33,000 if it's the last room of this place because there 1667 01:39:33,079 --> 01:39:37,000 was one room in particular, or I was like, uhh, 1668 01:39:37,039 --> 01:39:38,199 this is not do. 1669 01:39:38,159 --> 01:39:40,479 Speaker 2: You feel comfortable to say which room? I've been there 1670 01:39:40,520 --> 01:39:41,640 a couple of times. 1671 01:39:41,319 --> 01:39:44,840 Speaker 3: So I don't even remember what trum it was, but like, 1672 01:39:45,279 --> 01:39:49,800 do I identify it? I don't want to put that 1673 01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:50,800 out there per ses shanting. 1674 01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:53,840 Speaker 2: No, it's okay, No, no, yeah, absolutely, I'm sorry. 1675 01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:59,159 Speaker 3: I wasn't trying to story, but this story is like, yeah. 1676 01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:00,199 Speaker 2: No, I get it. 1677 01:40:00,359 --> 01:40:04,000 Speaker 3: Someone's antenna is up for a specific place, right, because 1678 01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:06,720 then they're like, oh this person had yeah no no, no, 1679 01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:09,039 I just don't want to ruin anyone else. 1680 01:40:09,119 --> 01:40:12,279 Speaker 2: Yes, no, you're right, you're right. So did you and 1681 01:40:12,399 --> 01:40:15,479 this again, if this might also be I don't want 1682 01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:18,039 to talk about this and that's completely fun. Did you 1683 01:40:18,239 --> 01:40:20,319 did you ever think, oh maybe I should have a 1684 01:40:21,159 --> 01:40:24,760 like a cleansing of some sort or did you go 1685 01:40:24,840 --> 01:40:25,760 down that route? 1686 01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:32,640 Speaker 3: Or no I didn't. I'm well I might have tried 1687 01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:37,600 to do either white or green sage in an apartment 1688 01:40:37,800 --> 01:40:40,680 that I lived at in Chicago because I just had 1689 01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:45,920 had it. But then it smells so much like cigars. Yeah, 1690 01:40:45,960 --> 01:40:47,640 and I don't know if I did the right stage. 1691 01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:51,479 So it's like ultimately I didn't have anyone to do 1692 01:40:51,560 --> 01:40:56,439 anything before me, but what I did then have is 1693 01:40:56,520 --> 01:41:00,720 just more and this is more like relational therapy type 1694 01:41:00,720 --> 01:41:03,600 of things. And but I got to say, like it 1695 01:41:03,600 --> 01:41:06,239 it just it's it kind of comes from within, like 1696 01:41:06,399 --> 01:41:09,119 you've got to find what makes you happy and what 1697 01:41:09,239 --> 01:41:14,239 makes you whole and grounded. Right, So like that to 1698 01:41:14,319 --> 01:41:19,359 me is you know, the if if it's any consolation 1699 01:41:19,479 --> 01:41:22,279 to these hunters or anyone who's had some type of experience, 1700 01:41:22,319 --> 01:41:26,640 whether it's ghost related, AI related or Bigfoot related, in 1701 01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:30,279 this is me potentially taking some of my own medicines. 1702 01:41:30,319 --> 01:41:32,439 Like you maybe have to go have to go back 1703 01:41:32,479 --> 01:41:38,039 to where you know you had the biggest challenge with 1704 01:41:38,239 --> 01:41:40,760 something after the fact. Now granted I will never go 1705 01:41:40,920 --> 01:41:47,359 back to this place in Las Vegas, but like, but 1706 01:41:47,479 --> 01:41:50,439 maybe somewhere along the way I should or accept the 1707 01:41:50,479 --> 01:41:53,079 fact that it happened, but I can move on and 1708 01:41:53,079 --> 01:41:55,199 that that's not who I am today, because I think 1709 01:41:55,920 --> 01:41:59,239 that's a big thing too. It's like there's so much 1710 01:41:59,439 --> 01:42:03,399 room or these topics to be exciting in someone's life 1711 01:42:03,439 --> 01:42:05,960 to like, you don't have to make it negative unless 1712 01:42:05,960 --> 01:42:11,920 you're particularly looking at some type of you know, demon 1713 01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:15,520 work or something like that. But it should be exciting, 1714 01:42:15,560 --> 01:42:18,520 it should be fun because we don't have a whole 1715 01:42:18,520 --> 01:42:20,600 lot of time when this starts, and like, why cramp 1716 01:42:20,680 --> 01:42:24,239 your style with anything that's that's negative. I don't know, 1717 01:42:24,279 --> 01:42:26,199 is that is that too? 1718 01:42:26,640 --> 01:42:31,760 Speaker 2: No? No, No, that's that's wonderful. And thank you for 1719 01:42:32,079 --> 01:42:35,039 sharing what you did about how you were feeling after 1720 01:42:35,079 --> 01:42:37,600 all of that and how it lasted a long time 1721 01:42:37,680 --> 01:42:39,800 for you and you know you pulled yourself out of that. 1722 01:42:39,880 --> 01:42:41,000 Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you. 1723 01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:41,680 Speaker 2: For sharing that. 1724 01:42:43,159 --> 01:42:43,840 Speaker 3: I appreciate it. 1725 01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:47,520 Speaker 2: I know that it's just very mental health is a 1726 01:42:47,560 --> 01:42:50,039 taboo thing still to talk about, and people don't and 1727 01:42:50,079 --> 01:42:53,520 that's so sad. And it's a lot of people out 1728 01:42:53,520 --> 01:42:55,800 there need help for all kinds of various reasons. And 1729 01:42:57,479 --> 01:42:59,880 I have to say though, because I I'll close out 1730 01:43:00,720 --> 01:43:03,279 before we do a final plug of all of where 1731 01:43:03,319 --> 01:43:07,479 to find you. That dude laying on the ground is 1732 01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:11,600 so effing creepy. The fetal position. Oh, it was a 1733 01:43:11,640 --> 01:43:13,520 woman in a fetal position on the ground. 1734 01:43:14,359 --> 01:43:19,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, she had I was gonna and I thought about 1735 01:43:19,600 --> 01:43:22,119 when I was listening to another episode that you were having, 1736 01:43:22,159 --> 01:43:24,600 and I was like, oh, my gosh, that's that's who 1737 01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:28,079 I saw. Go ahead and pull up the like don't 1738 01:43:28,159 --> 01:43:31,439 smoke ads. Do you remember the one where there was 1739 01:43:31,560 --> 01:43:35,239 like a picture of a female who was all covered 1740 01:43:35,239 --> 01:43:42,840 in tar. Oh, yes, nice, that's who that was. Something 1741 01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:46,600 like that, like kind of like a curly ish hair, 1742 01:43:47,079 --> 01:43:53,560 but like, that's the just that type of female is 1743 01:43:53,640 --> 01:43:54,520 kind of who I saw. 1744 01:43:56,279 --> 01:43:59,800 Speaker 2: Oh so much. Nope, that is such a bag and 1745 01:43:59,840 --> 01:44:02,760 note just laying on the floor. 1746 01:44:03,319 --> 01:44:06,319 Speaker 3: They were in that position. I was like, oh, they're hurting. 1747 01:44:06,439 --> 01:44:12,159 They're still hurting. No, but yeah, or they're pretending to hurt. 1748 01:44:12,199 --> 01:44:14,880 Because other people saw things crawling on walls that night, 1749 01:44:14,920 --> 01:44:16,520 and I was like, nope, that to me was a. 1750 01:44:16,520 --> 01:44:23,279 Speaker 2: Nope, that's worse. That that's worse. It's an interesting world 1751 01:44:23,279 --> 01:44:27,039 that we live in, though. That's for sure, fun, very 1752 01:44:27,159 --> 01:44:31,119 usually fun, slightly terrifying, sometimes occasional brown pants. 1753 01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:36,560 Speaker 3: That basement, that's that is some brass and kudosi. I'm 1754 01:44:36,560 --> 01:44:38,159 sure I know, you know that this is nothing I 1755 01:44:38,199 --> 01:44:42,199 have to you know, validate for you. But goodness, that 1756 01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:45,720 love it lot. That's I. 1757 01:44:45,720 --> 01:44:50,359 Speaker 2: I loved it because I I definitely wasn't. I was there. 1758 01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:54,680 I was there solo except for the couple of people 1759 01:44:54,680 --> 01:44:59,079 that came through that you know, one one gentleman kind 1760 01:44:59,119 --> 01:45:03,760 of new and you know, uh, I loved it for 1761 01:45:03,800 --> 01:45:06,800 the investigative aspect. I didn't love it a course, for 1762 01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:10,760 the horrible life decimating story. 1763 01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:14,159 Speaker 3: Do you feel that energy? 1764 01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:18,880 Speaker 2: I feel nothing, keV. I am dead inside. I'm like 1765 01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:19,880 a psychic as a. 1766 01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:24,399 Speaker 3: Rock, like, oh, where's a tree? 1767 01:45:24,560 --> 01:45:28,000 Speaker 2: I didn't, Yeah, I didn't. It didn't feel it didn't 1768 01:45:28,039 --> 01:45:30,000 feel creepy at all. I mean, I think that by 1769 01:45:30,039 --> 01:45:32,880 the time the first night was done, because I had 1770 01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:35,159 just you know, come into this. It's a gorgeous house, 1771 01:45:35,199 --> 01:45:38,399 it's a lovely property, horses and all these things going on. 1772 01:45:38,640 --> 01:45:41,600 But then, you know, I I was hearing all these 1773 01:45:42,039 --> 01:45:46,000 different aspects of you know, what actually happened on this 1774 01:45:46,119 --> 01:45:51,000 property and the people that have varying opinions on it, 1775 01:45:51,119 --> 01:45:55,000 and looking at the articles and the rooms where these 1776 01:45:55,039 --> 01:45:58,720 things happened. That that built up in my mind. So 1777 01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:03,199 it was kind of freaky that first night, But no, nothing, Uh, 1778 01:46:03,880 --> 01:46:06,079 I would have I would do things differently if I 1779 01:46:06,119 --> 01:46:08,880 could go back. I think that, and I'm not trying 1780 01:46:09,159 --> 01:46:12,319 and speaking of the place here which we shall not name, 1781 01:46:12,640 --> 01:46:15,399 we shall not name. Who owns that place we shall 1782 01:46:15,479 --> 01:46:18,119 not name, But I wouldn't do it like he does 1783 01:46:18,199 --> 01:46:22,199 on his slightly popular show, right like poke like that, 1784 01:46:22,479 --> 01:46:25,159 But I would do things differently to try to elicit 1785 01:46:25,239 --> 01:46:28,800 some kind of our response or I was just I 1786 01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:31,720 think I was just trying to be so very not 1787 01:46:31,720 --> 01:46:34,279 that at whatever you disrespect. I was fly respectful of 1788 01:46:34,319 --> 01:46:36,880 the graves because they were home, they were well, I 1789 01:46:36,920 --> 01:46:39,800 was priend to be respectful of them because they were 1790 01:46:39,880 --> 01:46:42,119 they were home, and you know they're doing that. But 1791 01:46:42,239 --> 01:46:44,239 I should have known, like they do this all the time. 1792 01:46:44,239 --> 01:46:46,079 They have people over quite a bit, you know, for 1793 01:46:46,239 --> 01:46:48,159 such a thing. So I should have just been more 1794 01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:50,960 more comfortable to do that. And I wish I could, 1795 01:46:51,000 --> 01:46:55,239 Uh I could do that again. It's not an impossibility. 1796 01:46:55,279 --> 01:46:57,960 I still speak to Robert occasionally, but but they were 1797 01:46:57,960 --> 01:46:59,760 there's one. They're just wonderful people. 1798 01:46:59,840 --> 01:47:04,840 Speaker 3: And uh what I wonder if because of those wonderful people, 1799 01:47:04,920 --> 01:47:05,960 the energy is changing. 1800 01:47:06,720 --> 01:47:08,960 Speaker 2: It could be it could be, and right, like, do 1801 01:47:09,079 --> 01:47:12,399 things wear off in certain places for that very reason, 1802 01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:16,560 you know? Or or is there people coming through there 1803 01:47:16,640 --> 01:47:20,239 that maybe even unbeknownst to the Graves is trying to 1804 01:47:20,279 --> 01:47:24,680 release some things and maybe that's working. Right. So I 1805 01:47:24,720 --> 01:47:28,159 don't know, But no gum on my shoe because nobody 1806 01:47:28,159 --> 01:47:31,119 gives a crap about When Shannon comes around, They're like, 1807 01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:35,399 you're annoying. I am not even talking to you girl. 1808 01:47:35,560 --> 01:47:39,279 Speaker 3: You know everyone, I think everyone has gum on their shoe. 1809 01:47:39,439 --> 01:47:43,760 I think everybody. I think so oh energy carries. 1810 01:47:43,359 --> 01:47:47,159 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, but I want the knocks not not at 1811 01:47:47,159 --> 01:47:47,560 my house. 1812 01:47:48,039 --> 01:47:52,039 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, but don't have it mentally clutter you're there's 1813 01:47:52,479 --> 01:47:54,960 life's too short for that. Yeah, that's for sure. 1814 01:47:55,479 --> 01:47:58,159 Speaker 2: All right. So last time, keV let everybody know, just 1815 01:47:58,239 --> 01:48:00,600 mention the Big Photo Archive again and your books. 1816 01:48:01,600 --> 01:48:04,039 Speaker 3: Yeah sure, so you can follow me on Instagram on 1817 01:48:04,199 --> 01:48:07,760 the Bigfoot Archive. Please give me a follow. You can 1818 01:48:07,800 --> 01:48:12,079 also find my books Big Billy Finds Bigfoot that's on 1819 01:48:12,119 --> 01:48:15,279 Amazon and hanging around publishing. You could find Is It 1820 01:48:15,319 --> 01:48:17,840 Really or Not? That's on Amazon or Barnes and Noble, 1821 01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:22,439 just like Cedars Soup day As on Amazon and Barnes 1822 01:48:22,520 --> 01:48:24,600 Noble as well. If you like bigfoot merch, you can 1823 01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:28,760 get that at sea at Pine Shadow Design. Other than that, 1824 01:48:29,439 --> 01:48:31,319 I hope to follow up with you, Shannon on my 1825 01:48:31,399 --> 01:48:34,880 expeditions to Canada and the up and see how that goes. 1826 01:48:35,079 --> 01:48:36,920 Speaker 2: I do hope that you can come back on please do. 1827 01:48:38,279 --> 01:48:42,000 I've enjoyed it, and I will tamp down the d discussion, 1828 01:48:42,439 --> 01:48:45,359 not demons the other one next time, I promise. I 1829 01:48:45,399 --> 01:48:47,359 think I got it out of my system, so I 1830 01:48:47,359 --> 01:48:51,039 feel pretty good. We'll see yeah, no upon intended, right, 1831 01:48:51,239 --> 01:48:53,840 Oh sorry, yeah, thanks keV. 1832 01:48:58,520 --> 01:48:59,359 Speaker 1: So I was given this. 1833 01:48:59,479 --> 01:49:02,000 Speaker 3: Name parentsy business. I've such college. 1834 01:49:02,199 --> 01:49:04,399 Speaker 6: I've done these things as my professional I produce a 1835 01:49:04,399 --> 01:49:06,760 little bark, but it says. 1836 01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:12,399 Speaker 3: Forget it, that's not that's something for story, that's all gone, 1837 01:49:12,439 --> 01:49:13,199 that's all pass. 1838 01:49:13,560 --> 01:49:15,760 Speaker 6: I want to see the really you who are now. 1839 01:49:16,840 --> 01:49:22,039 Speaker 4: But nobody knows who learning is because we don't know 1840 01:49:22,199 --> 01:49:23,840 our silves. 1841 01:49:23,359 --> 01:49:28,279 Speaker 3: Except wh listening to our es and consulting our memmbers. 1842 01:49:29,119 --> 01:49:31,720 Speaker 6: But then that's a really And then again needs expect 1843 01:49:32,479 --> 01:49:33,239 this question. 1844 01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:37,600 Speaker 3: What are you? That is the meaning? 1845 01:49:39,359 --> 01:49:42,239 Speaker 6: We shall see how they play with this acceps but 1846 01:49:42,439 --> 01:49:45,760 by the cons to get you to come out of 1847 01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:48,119 your show and find. 1848 01:49:47,880 --> 01:50:24,720 Speaker 5: Out when you're really old prospects. It's it's, it's, it's, it's, 1849 01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:57,279 it's its aspects. 1850 01:51:40,119 --> 01:51:42,239 Speaker 3: People, for example, are quite divided on us. 1851 01:51:42,920 --> 01:51:46,199 Speaker 6: They will say, no, we don't believe literally in reincarnation 1852 01:51:47,560 --> 01:51:52,279 that after your funeral you will suddenly become somebody different 1853 01:51:53,239 --> 01:51:59,199 living somewhere else. They will say, reincarnation means this that 1854 01:51:59,359 --> 01:52:02,319 if you sit here now I've really convinced that you're 1855 01:52:02,359 --> 01:52:03,800 the same person the funding at the. 1856 01:52:03,840 --> 01:52:06,880 Speaker 3: Door half an hour ago, there'll be a recoming. 1857 01:52:08,479 --> 01:52:12,479 Speaker 6: If you're liberating your fathers now that you're gone. The 1858 01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:16,880 past doesn't existence, the future doesn't existence. 1859 01:52:17,479 --> 01:52:18,640 Speaker 3: There is only the present. 1860 01:52:19,279 --> 01:52:23,479 Speaker 6: That's the only Aweenia the iss send master, don't get 1861 01:52:23,479 --> 01:52:28,560 away in displace in spring does not become the sense 1862 01:52:30,520 --> 01:52:33,119 because there is something and then there is spring. 1863 01:53:00,600 --> 01:53:26,680 Speaker 5: This it's it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's. 1864 01:53:32,000 --> 01:54:27,840 Speaker 4: Posts ts isn't That's the same ideas four more Days, 1865 01:54:28,680 --> 01:54:30,119 where he says, when you. 1866 01:54:30,199 --> 01:54:32,439 Speaker 6: Settle down in the train, you can read your newspaper, 1867 01:54:32,960 --> 01:54:35,560 and so you're not the same person. 1868 01:54:37,079 --> 01:54:38,319 Speaker 3: While I go to live on the platform. 1869 01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:42,880 Speaker 6: If you think you are, you are linking your moments 1870 01:54:42,960 --> 01:54:47,880 up in the check. And this is what binds the wheel. 1871 01:54:50,960 --> 01:54:53,239 When you know that every moment of what you are 1872 01:54:53,479 --> 01:54:54,279 is the only moment. 1873 01:54:55,439 --> 01:54:58,039 Speaker 3: This counts into zer. And the Master will say from somebody, 1874 01:54:58,359 --> 01:54:59,319 I can have a walk. 1875 01:54:59,119 --> 01:54:59,760 Speaker 2: Acrost the rock. 1876 01:55:00,880 --> 01:55:02,720 Speaker 3: And it comes back and he says, where are your footmen? 1877 01:55:05,439 --> 01:55:06,159 They've gone a book? 1878 01:55:07,439 --> 01:55:08,000 Speaker 6: So where are you? 1879 01:55:08,680 --> 01:55:09,039 Speaker 2: Who are you? 1880 01:55:10,159 --> 01:55:12,720 Speaker 6: When we are asked who we are, we usually give 1881 01:55:12,760 --> 01:55:15,239 a kind of recitation of an instrums insensi