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<v Speaker 1>The weird things happened.

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<v Speaker 2>In the back. Weird, weird, weird.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, we're running it. What episode is this? This is

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<v Speaker 3>episode sixty six and sixty seven. One sixty six. Oh

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<v Speaker 3>s the number of the beast.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well there's one sixty six. The number of the beast.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, some people believe it was sixty one.

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<v Speaker 4>Route sixty six. Oh yeah, that's the highway. That's where

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<v Speaker 4>Lightning McQueen got lost.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the highway to hell.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh. You want to hear a funny story. When I

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<v Speaker 4>was a kid, when I was like little my I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>my dad's always been so into like classic rock. He

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<v Speaker 4>loved ac DC. He would one one time he was

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<v Speaker 4>playing that in the car real loud and he was

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<v Speaker 4>singing it at the top of his lunch. I was

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<v Speaker 4>crying in the back seat because I was like, my

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<v Speaker 4>dad's going to hell. I was probably five, but I

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<v Speaker 4>was like, no.

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<v Speaker 3>My dad be playing Van Halen and it's like running

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<v Speaker 3>with the Devil.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well that's my dad's like all time favorite band,

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<v Speaker 4>Ben Halen. Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I always knew there was something about him, your dad,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, oh, okay, because of the Van Halen thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, they're bonded over their love of Van Halen. Oh

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<v Speaker 4>as are we.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, dude, remember the first time I ever came to

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<v Speaker 3>your house, I was like, can you play a eruption

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<v Speaker 3>on guitar?

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<v Speaker 4>And I that's what got me to play guitar.

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<v Speaker 3>I've told that story, yeah, yeah, but still cool anyway. Yeah, So,

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<v Speaker 3>speaking of the Highway of Hell, we wanted to do

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<v Speaker 3>a series on the beginning and the end Genesis and Revelations.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, before we really get.

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<v Speaker 3>Into that, I like to take these moments where we

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<v Speaker 3>like reflect on those days of like reading these books.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's like it's sort of nostalgic in a way.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I remember being a kid and going to church

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<v Speaker 3>and the thing that I would do the most was

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<v Speaker 3>either read the Book of Revelations or read the Book

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<v Speaker 3>of Genesis.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay? Is that some kind of did did you do that? Alex?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that?

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<v Speaker 4>I feel like that's some kind of phenomenon.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think I really ever read the Bible Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>outside of like in religious class in Catholic school.

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<v Speaker 3>In all seriousness, like not joking here, to my understanding,

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<v Speaker 3>that's not really like a thing in Catholicism.

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<v Speaker 4>Just like picking it up, reading it. Yeah, gotcha.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean I read the hell out of that hymn

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<v Speaker 5>book because we had to sing probably four songs every

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<v Speaker 5>every mass.

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<v Speaker 4>And was it a good read? No?

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, I mean I read the songs and I sang

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<v Speaker 5>the verses because you had to.

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<v Speaker 3>Weren't you one of the boys, the Backstreet boys? No,

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<v Speaker 3>the altar boys?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 5>Actually I did not go to my training for that.

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<v Speaker 5>Why not, dude, because my parents didn't make me.

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<v Speaker 4>Probably could have got an end.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, dude, you could have been in a position of power.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know a lot about ultimate That.

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<v Speaker 4>Is the opposite of a position of power. You are

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<v Speaker 4>in a position of being dominated.

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<v Speaker 5>Stand there for like however long the priest acides, and

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<v Speaker 5>hold the gospel in front of him.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well, you pay your dues and you rise through

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<v Speaker 3>the ranks.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think that's how it works. Yeah, man, you're

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<v Speaker 4>like a little servant boy.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at any pyramid power structure, right, you start on

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<v Speaker 3>the bottom and then you're That's not now that works

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<v Speaker 3>at all, not even a little bit.

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<v Speaker 5>Well you mean a reverse funnel system. Okay, yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm following you, just saying, man, opportunity missed. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I was always reading the Book of Revelations in the

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<v Speaker 5>Book of Genesis. Same and if I if I wasn't

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<v Speaker 5>doing that, then the rare times that And I'm talking

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<v Speaker 5>like when I was young, you know, if I wasn't

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<v Speaker 5>doing that, I was probably playing like POKEMONO Metroid. But

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<v Speaker 5>then when I got busted it, I'd be, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>reading the Book of my mom be like put that away, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>or my grandma or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>So you just hide the game boy inside the Bible.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, dude, especially when it was the sp And it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think I ever actually did that. That's ingenius.

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<v Speaker 3>I would have never figured that out as a kid.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, very nostalgic. So let's let's start with revelations.

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<v Speaker 3>It's natural that we would start with the beginning. You said,

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<v Speaker 3>did I'm all crossed up.

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<v Speaker 4>We all know the beginning is revelation. Yeah, Genesis, Genesis

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<v Speaker 4>as other people would pronounce it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, that that makes sense to me.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know who. I don't know who would pronounce

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<v Speaker 4>it like that, but somebody out there pronounces it Genesis.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm just saying you're valid, and I hear you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, it's it's like if you think about it,

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<v Speaker 3>it just rolls right off the tongue Genesis.

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<v Speaker 4>And Alex's alreadyo We're four minutes in. Alex is done.

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<v Speaker 3>It makes me envision like running off into the sunset.

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<v Speaker 3>And I look over and I'm like, I love.

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<v Speaker 4>You, Genesus.

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<v Speaker 3>She looks at you and says, it's only the beginning.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, dude, I could see it. I could see

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<v Speaker 3>the whole scenario play out right down to.

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<v Speaker 4>The end, which is relations or revelation.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, revelation. Okay, all right, He's like, dude, I've never

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<v Speaker 3>read this book. Please tell me what happens. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 3>let's let's go through. Like what happens in the Book

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<v Speaker 3>of Genesis. It's the creation story. It's basically like it's

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<v Speaker 3>believed to have been written by Moses, which now we

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<v Speaker 3>know is probably not true. They think it was written

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<v Speaker 3>somewhere around five or six hundred years uh BC, by

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<v Speaker 3>like anonymous Jewish mystics. And it tells the story of

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<v Speaker 3>like God creating the earth, and the story of the

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<v Speaker 3>creating everything, Yeah, creating everything, the Garden of Eden, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, the fall of Adam and even into

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to say my interpretation yet, but the

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<v Speaker 3>expulsion from the Garden of Eden from Paradise.

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<v Speaker 4>I got a question right off the bat, as an idiot,

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<v Speaker 4>did the Garden of e didn't come after he made Earth?

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, okay, so the garden is on Earth because

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<v Speaker 4>I'm thinking from like the the the Norse Mythology episode

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<v Speaker 4>that we did, how like the like Eden's orchard is

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<v Speaker 4>like a realm. It's not like on Earth. It was

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<v Speaker 4>like a realm outside of Earth kind of thing. So

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, is it kind of the same with

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<v Speaker 4>the Garden of Eden, But well.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean it might be, yeah, but according to the Bible,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's it's like basically God creates the earth

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<v Speaker 3>in six days. Very interesting account. There parallels to other stories,

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<v Speaker 3>like you know, Hinduism per se, where they say that

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<v Speaker 3>it's created through the Word and then on the seventh

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<v Speaker 3>day he rested, right, and the story goes that Adam

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<v Speaker 3>was created, they take the rib from Adam and then

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<v Speaker 3>they create Eve. But this is sometime after like animals,

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<v Speaker 3>like I think it was the birds of the sky

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<v Speaker 3>and the sea creatures are created on like the fourth

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<v Speaker 3>or fifth day or something like that. I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what exactly In my head because I'm going to focus

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<v Speaker 3>on the esoteric version of it. And then Adam comes

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<v Speaker 3>around and he's just kind of chilling by himself. He's lonely,

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<v Speaker 3>and God's like, let me make.

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<v Speaker 4>Him a companion, let me give him a check.

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<v Speaker 3>And then he comes up with Eve. He makes her

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<v Speaker 3>out of his rib and they're together, and then they

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<v Speaker 3>obviously commit their crime, the expelled from the Garden of Eden.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so that's the first three chapters. By the way,

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<v Speaker 4>that's that's all in the first three chapters. It's the

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<v Speaker 4>first chapter is the creation. The second chapter is God

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<v Speaker 4>creating Adam, giving him the garden, except the tree of

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<v Speaker 4>good and evil. The tree of good and Evil is

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<v Speaker 4>the one that he was like. God was like, you

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<v Speaker 4>can't eat from that one though, Yeah, don't eat it.

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<v Speaker 4>Do not eat that apple. And then yeah, evil's created.

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<v Speaker 4>And the chapter three, No, chapter three is when the

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<v Speaker 4>snake arrives. Yeah, the soy pen if you will.

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<v Speaker 3>And none of the other animals talk.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, just a snake. You sound bitter about that.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean it's just like none of the other

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<v Speaker 3>animals can talk. And then one talks to you and

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<v Speaker 3>you're like, yeah, I'll listen. To you.

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<v Speaker 4>I would, Yeah, I would. I would too, especially if

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<v Speaker 4>there was like a really shiny apple and you wanted

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<v Speaker 4>it so bad and then that snake starts talking to

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<v Speaker 4>you and it's like you can eat it, I'd be like, real,

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<v Speaker 4>it's good. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And according to this version, the snake had like feet

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 3>Remember that's the punishment to the serpent is he removes

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<v Speaker 3>his legs and his feet and he can't speak anymore,

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<v Speaker 3>and he like.

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<v Speaker 4>Has to talking lizard Komodo dragon.

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<v Speaker 3>Well it says serpent, it does says to the.

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<v Speaker 4>Lizard, it's like a dragon.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean dragon episode, show me dragon. I mean technically

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<v Speaker 3>it could be said to be a dragon, like you

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<v Speaker 3>know the Great Dragon in Revelation.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, whoa is that foreshadowing? It might be? Okay cool?

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<v Speaker 4>What happened after that? Eve's son? Oh right, Eve's son.

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<v Speaker 4>So they had a bunch of babies after they ate,

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<v Speaker 4>because because the apple is an alex it's thought to

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<v Speaker 4>be an allegory four sex.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, well yeah, the tree, the whole.

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<v Speaker 4>Thing, Okay, gotcha. So then they had a bunch of

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<v Speaker 4>babies and Eve's sons made offerings to the Lord. This

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<v Speaker 4>is chapter four, Eve's sons made offerings to the Lord.

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<v Speaker 4>Only Abels was acceptable, So Cain killed him his brother Kane.

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<v Speaker 6>Damn.

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<v Speaker 4>That's chapter four of Genesis.

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<v Speaker 2>Hm.

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<v Speaker 4>That's like probably freaking a bunch of years later.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, when Caine kills his brother and then God

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<v Speaker 3>like puts a mark on his head and it's like

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<v Speaker 3>this curse mark and he says that, Uh, basically, you're

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<v Speaker 3>cursed of Rome. Through this land with like giants and

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<v Speaker 3>all these horrific beasts. You can't touch them. And it's

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<v Speaker 3>it's something like anything that you do will be raw

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<v Speaker 3>on you sevenfold. It will be avenged sevenfold. Oh, that's

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<v Speaker 3>where avenged sevenfold comes from, dumn. That's crazy, he is it?

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<v Speaker 3>Is there a tenfold reference.

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<v Speaker 4>In the Bible?

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<v Speaker 3>Is like, I will reward you tenfold?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, job, Yeah, I'm pretty sure because there was

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<v Speaker 5>this boat, I think, and this yacht in the name

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<v Speaker 5>of the yacht was tenfold, And I've always liked that

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<v Speaker 5>because I was pretty sure it was Bible reference.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a cool name for a boat, tenfold.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I like that.

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<v Speaker 4>There's some names for boats out there. How often do

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<v Speaker 3>Every day I take pictures of the girl. I've seen

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<v Speaker 3>some cool names, really, uh huh, don't put me on

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<v Speaker 5>I'm just like they fall into categories. There's like hardcore

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<v Speaker 5>Like that's just sick. And then there's like the punny

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<v Speaker 4>Or.

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<v Speaker 5>Ones that are like heartfelt and like they name them

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<v Speaker 5>And then there's just ones that are just like what

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<v Speaker 4>Who, that's a different book of the Bible.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but it's all been there, man. But I feel

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<v Speaker 5>But here's how I think about it, right. Imagine, so

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<v Speaker 4>That's may Day, may Day.

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<v Speaker 4>No, No, that's worse for sure.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah no, but like may Day Gladiator going down, Like

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<v Speaker 4>Realistically, if I had like a boat, I would name

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<v Speaker 4>freaking well Viva pinata. Yeah, that'd be a good one.

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<v Speaker 5>There's a there's there's another fishing boat and rids full.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's a cool name. It's just called horse.

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<v Speaker 4>Like I kind of love that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's awesome. It's just it's a beautiful boat, and it's

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<v Speaker 4>I kind of love that's like that. If you had one,

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<v Speaker 4>it would be called pig pigs.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm gonna name mine after my dog ss Hog. The

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<v Speaker 5>boat the boat that I retire on and travel the

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<v Speaker 5>east coast on. I'm gonna name it after my dog Ad.

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<v Speaker 5>We've already talked about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, now that'll be romantic, man. And we'll sell together,

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<v Speaker 3>and we can take Nick with us and he can

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<v Speaker 3>be I didn't say captor or captain captain. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 3>for other activities.

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<v Speaker 4>You guys ad many youths in this situation.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we're going to start a new like it's like

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<v Speaker 3>the Titanic. Oh, my, you's standing up on the front.

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<v Speaker 3>I should I shouldn't have told you.

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<v Speaker 4>On the SS hog Damn dude.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, dude, the SS forbidden fruit. Oh I like that,

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<v Speaker 3>the SS apple.

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<v Speaker 4>But then y'all's dinghy will be named hog.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, no, that's that's that's a good point, man,

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<v Speaker 3>because God made the hogs in the Book of Genesis.

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<v Speaker 5>I remembered one. Y'all tell me if you like this

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<v Speaker 5>one or not. The boat was called Someday came that

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<v Speaker 5>like everybody's like, I'll get one someday. The boat's name

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<v Speaker 5>was Someday came.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't know about it's a second word that

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<v Speaker 3>throws me off A little bit like I love it,

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<v Speaker 3>But what do you guys think? Actually, no, I agree, Like.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, I don't.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't express my opinion. Oh you don't think it's

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<v Speaker 5>really I could have the name man.

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<v Speaker 4>I could have.

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<v Speaker 3>So what happens next?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh? What happens next? Okay? Chapter five is just describing

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<v Speaker 4>Adam's line his like lineage seth Enosh Keenan, Mahalalel Jared Enoch,

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<v Speaker 4>into all of his sons and stuff. Then chapter six,

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<v Speaker 4>human kind corrupted the earth with evil freaking already.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like we suck like Noah, like the story of Noah. Right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>we should be around it. I've decided to destroy them

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<v Speaker 3>hate me because I have free will.

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<v Speaker 4>Bro Dude, Noah had a boat, he did. Do you

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<v Speaker 4>have a name of it? Just two for why when?

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<v Speaker 3>Because two of every.

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<v Speaker 4>Man? It's just called the arc?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah great.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what's funny.

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<v Speaker 3>My grandma's ninety years old, and you know, travel is

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<v Speaker 3>let's go somewhere. And she told me all these years,

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<v Speaker 3>I've never been in the grand canyon. You want to go.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, I'll go with you. I'll go with you.

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<v Speaker 3>She and now her last like final destination she wants

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<v Speaker 3>the arc.

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<v Speaker 4>Kentucky to see the arc. It's like a like a model. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>thing is it like life size?

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<v Speaker 4>Isn't like the proportions and everything, like I'm not sure,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's's crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like it's like a display. But I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>you buy me a ticket, I'll go with you. How

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<v Speaker 3>many how much? How much boat do you need to

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<v Speaker 3>put every animale? It's a big boat.

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<v Speaker 4>Man, I mean it would have to be a freaking

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<v Speaker 4>huge boat anyway. Chapter seven, Noah and his family go

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<v Speaker 4>into the arc with two of each creature. It rained

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<v Speaker 4>for forty days and forty nights, and the earth was

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<v Speaker 4>covered in water flooded it all. Chapter eight. The flood abated,

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<v Speaker 4>Noah sent out a raven and two doves. He sent

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<v Speaker 4>it out ravens. I never knew.

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<v Speaker 3>He's four hundred and forty ft long according to Google.

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<v Speaker 4>Interesting are you saying it would have to be that

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<v Speaker 4>big to hold.

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<v Speaker 5>The structure of the arc and the chronology of the flood.

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<v Speaker 5>The arc has to be three hundred cubits by fifty

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<v Speaker 5>cubits by thirty cubits, which approximately means four hundred and

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<v Speaker 5>forty feet in length. A big freaking I want to

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<v Speaker 5>look up with the icon of the seas is that's

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<v Speaker 5>the biggest boat in existence right now.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I thought it was a Titanic.

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<v Speaker 4>That that doesn't exist right now. It doesn't exist.

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<v Speaker 3>Supposed to be the biggest ship that ever sailed.

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<v Speaker 5>But if you got a little, uh little Xbox remote,

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<v Speaker 5>you can go down and see it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's true, that's true. That is true.

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<v Speaker 3>So they got they got the boat. He sent out

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<v Speaker 3>the ravens, he sent the doves.

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<v Speaker 4>The flood abated. This is chapter eight. The flood abated.

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<v Speaker 4>No sent out a raven, two doves. When the earth

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<v Speaker 4>was dry, God called them all out of the ark.

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<v Speaker 4>Noah built an altar cool. So freaking Noah and his

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<v Speaker 4>people and all the animals survived. Everybody else freaking died.

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<v Speaker 4>So they got to repopulate the earth again. Just know

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<v Speaker 4>and his chick You know who.

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<v Speaker 3>They are, right? Who isn't very well known. But from

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<v Speaker 3>what I read as an adult and understood this a

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<v Speaker 3>little differently. His daughter's got him drunk and seduced him.

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<v Speaker 4>No, whoa, whoa, whoa what? No?

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<v Speaker 3>Unless I just made it up? Okay, wait wait, I

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<v Speaker 3>was looking at what did you just say?

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<v Speaker 4>Who? He said? Noah's daughters seduced him to repopulate the earth.

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<v Speaker 3>They're in a mission from God. I need I need

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<v Speaker 3>to verify that, Okay.

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<v Speaker 5>I also wanted you to know that the longest ship

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<v Speaker 5>that exists right now is the Sea Wise Giant, and

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<v Speaker 5>it's fifteen hundred feet long.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 5>The icon of the seas is like eleven hundred and change,

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<v Speaker 5>which is a cruise ship.

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<v Speaker 3>Hang on, that's did know us?

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<v Speaker 4>Did Noah repopulate earth with his daughters? I gotta look

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<v Speaker 4>at us. It's pretty wild. It was on the movie.

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<v Speaker 4>But also, look, you gotta think about it. I was

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<v Speaker 4>actually gonna say this like freaking Adam and Eve, like

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<v Speaker 4>their kids had to you know what I'm saying. There

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<v Speaker 4>was definitely some targarian type shit going on.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, yeah, there was like two people, right, so

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<v Speaker 3>they had to figure something.

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<v Speaker 4>But then I never really put it together that that

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<v Speaker 4>happened twice.

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<v Speaker 5>Are you getting this confused with a lot. I might

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<v Speaker 5>be this is saying, yeah, I'm looking it up and sane,

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<v Speaker 5>but that's not making me feel better.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, well I need to know how Noah repopulated his

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<v Speaker 4>I'm assuming his wife was with him, and then that's

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<v Speaker 4>just that's crazy. I always think about Adam and Eved.

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<v Speaker 4>All their children had to make babies together. This was creepy.

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<v Speaker 4>It happened twice in Genesis. I never considered that when

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<v Speaker 4>the flood happened, Noah had to do it too. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>then almost had episode nine.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, in the Bible it doesn't say really, and God

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<v Speaker 3>blessed Noah and his sons and said, unto them, be

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<v Speaker 3>fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth. Multiply with God

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<v Speaker 3>does not go into details.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, all right, they were I guess he just laid

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<v Speaker 4>a bunch of eggs. Then they were. They just started

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<v Speaker 4>laying eggs or something. Okay. Chapter nine, God blessed Noah

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<v Speaker 4>and set the rainbow as a sign where he would

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<v Speaker 4>never flood the earth again.

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<v Speaker 3>His son, his son's head wives.

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<v Speaker 4>Where did they come from?

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<v Speaker 3>I must have gotten that confused with another story, because

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<v Speaker 3>there is a story where they.

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<v Speaker 4>Get him drunk.

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<v Speaker 3>They find him drunk and he's laying naked. But I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think he repopulated with his daughters.

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<v Speaker 4>Well that's I think that's good. I think that's ultimately

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<v Speaker 4>a win, absolutely, But that that didn't happen.

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<v Speaker 3>It says Noah began to be a man of the soil,

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<v Speaker 3>and he planted a vineyard. He drank of the wine

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<v Speaker 3>and became drunk and lay uncovered in his tent. And

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<v Speaker 3>Ham a pig Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the

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<v Speaker 3>Then Shim and Jeth took a garment, laid it on

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<v Speaker 3>both their shoulders, and walk backward and covered the nakedness

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<v Speaker 3>of their father. Their faces were turned backward, and they

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<v Speaker 3>did not see their father's nakedness. When Noah woke from

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<v Speaker 3>to him, he said, Chris to be Kanan, a servant

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<v Speaker 3>of servants, shall be to his brothers. He also said,

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<v Speaker 3>blessed be the Lord, the god of Shim, and let

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<v Speaker 3>Kanan be a servant. May God in large Jfeth, and

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<v Speaker 3>let him do all the tentsive Shim, and let Kanan

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<v Speaker 3>be a servant. Then he lived for another fifty three

427
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<v Speaker 3>hundred and fifty years God and peaced out. But yeah,

428
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<v Speaker 3>I must have gotten confused with the population part, so

429
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<v Speaker 3>my bad.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, bro, his sons wouldn't even look at him naked.

431
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<v Speaker 4>They turned their heads around.

432
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I somehow got that the opposite.

433
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<v Speaker 4>And then his daughter's were just like, ooh dad, okay, no, let's.

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<v Speaker 3>Not Yeah, I sworry. I read that the other day

435
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<v Speaker 3>and I was like, oh, that's interesting.

436
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<v Speaker 4>But you know that is what you just were talking about,

437
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<v Speaker 4>was chapter nine going into ten or actually Noah got

438
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<v Speaker 4>drunk and cursed Ham's son Kanaan. That's in chapter nine,

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<v Speaker 4>chapter ten. Jeffif j fifth, how do if I don't know? Fifth?

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<v Speaker 4>Jef fifth almost go with that. Jeffeth's line lived in

441
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<v Speaker 4>the coast lands. Hams included Nimrod and the Canaanites. You're

442
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<v Speaker 4>just saying Shim's lived in the east. These formed the nations. Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>And then eleven, chapter eleven, it starts getting Craig Cray.

444
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<v Speaker 4>They began, what what alex as if it wasn't I mean, yes, yeah,

445
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<v Speaker 4>you're right, we're ten. We're ten chapters in and like

446
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<v Speaker 4>the Earth's been flooded. There's a snake with feet. There's

447
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<v Speaker 4>a bunch of weird stuff going on. Chapter eleven, they

448
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<v Speaker 4>start building the Great Tower, but the Lord confused their language.

449
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<v Speaker 4>We're talking about the Tower of God, right, not Tower God.

450
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<v Speaker 4>That's an anime. Shim's line included Abram who married SARAHI

451
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<v Speaker 4>that's Abraham, it is, Yeah, why is it spelled Abram.

452
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<v Speaker 3>Because it's different when he basically leaves Babylon and goes

453
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<v Speaker 3>to Israel and like forms his covenant with God.

454
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<v Speaker 4>Hold up, So this dude had a son named Abram

455
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<v Speaker 4>and a son named Ham, and then he just Abraham.

456
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<v Speaker 4>Wait did Abram eat Ham? And he absorbed his power

457
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<v Speaker 4>or something? I don't know, and that's how he became Ara.

458
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<v Speaker 3>I don't think that's how it goes. I think there's

459
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<v Speaker 3>probably a little story in there that tells us how

460
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<v Speaker 3>that happens. But I'll be yeah, okay, you want to

461
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<v Speaker 3>know something funny the tracks on those lines.

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<v Speaker 6>But my.

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<v Speaker 5>Grandmother on my dad's side, so my dad's mom's maiden

464
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<v Speaker 5>name was Camp, dad's middle name is Camp. His mom's

465
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<v Speaker 5>name was Anne, so her name was Camp Anne or

466
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<v Speaker 5>Anne Camp. Right, and then he marries my mom and

467
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<v Speaker 5>my mom's maiden name is Campana.

468
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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's crazy.

469
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<v Speaker 5>So now that's my middle name.

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<v Speaker 4>Somebody ate somebody.

471
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<v Speaker 5>That's exactly what I'm saying.

472
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<v Speaker 4>I was picking that up.

473
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<v Speaker 3>I mean, yeah, if the shoe fits. If in your

474
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<v Speaker 3>world it's cannibal is it's the only thing that makes

475
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<v Speaker 3>which We do not condone. No, we do not, no,

476
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<v Speaker 3>we do con damn it, we don't condone.

477
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<v Speaker 4>How does this happen every time condone condom?

478
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<v Speaker 3>It's tricky.

479
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<v Speaker 4>Okay, you're right, it's tricky to all right. Chapter twelve,

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<v Speaker 4>God told Abram, go I will make you a great nation.

481
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<v Speaker 4>You will be a blessing and an Egypt. Abram lied

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<v Speaker 4>about Sarah and Pharaoh was cursed. Damn trifling, dude.

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<v Speaker 3>You know what's a fun fact. And the Book of

484
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<v Speaker 3>Genesis the word eloheim has said thirty three times.

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<v Speaker 4>No way, that's nutty. I don't even ever remember reading

486
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<v Speaker 4>the word elohem from the Bible.

487
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<v Speaker 3>Well, of course, because you were reading the King James

488
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<v Speaker 3>version and it just said the word God. But when

489
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<v Speaker 3>it was written like thousands of years ago, it said elohem.

490
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<v Speaker 4>Does it never say eloheim once in the King James,

491
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<v Speaker 4>King James version.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not sure if it does. I mean, it's been

493
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<v Speaker 3>a long time since I was sitting around reading King

494
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<v Speaker 3>James Bibles.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but Eloheim was like the original it's either Hebrew

497
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<v Speaker 3>or Aramaic, like that was their word for God.

498
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<v Speaker 4>He correct me if I'm wrong. But Elohem is a

499
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<v Speaker 4>plural word, isn't it? Yeah? Which is like thought? Is

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<v Speaker 4>it thought to reference like God and his counsel of.

501
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<v Speaker 3>Depends on your point of view. If you ask some

502
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<v Speaker 3>religious scholars, like you know, what I was learning in college,

503
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<v Speaker 3>they would say, well, it's because if you think about

504
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<v Speaker 3>it like this, back in the days of kings and queens,

505
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<v Speaker 3>when you addressed royals, they had a different way to

506
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<v Speaker 3>say it. So they would say, you know, like like

507
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<v Speaker 3>it's an honorific They would say that the plural is

508
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<v Speaker 3>like because it's God, it's royal. But then if you

509
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<v Speaker 3>look at the esoteric view, it's like, come on, dude,

510
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<v Speaker 3>it's it's male and female, it's plural, it's multitudes.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's okay, Okay, I like that.

512
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<v Speaker 3>So people like come up with this idea to try

513
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<v Speaker 3>to justify it being this one father God.

514
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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, that's cool, Okay, Chapter thirteen, Abram journeyed with

515
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<v Speaker 4>his nephew Lot. There we go Lot. Their servants argued,

516
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<v Speaker 4>so a Lot went to Sodom, Abram to Canaan. The

517
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<v Speaker 4>lord promised Abram the land. Chapter fourteen, the kings went

518
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<v Speaker 4>to war and took Lot captive. Abram rescued Lot. Malcheese

519
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<v Speaker 4>a deck blessed Abram, and Abram gave him a tenth

520
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<v Speaker 4>of everything he owned.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting, who's mel cheese a deck? So mel Cheese a

522
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<v Speaker 3>deck is It's a very interesting figure in the esoteric

523
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<v Speaker 3>you know, studies or whatever you want to call it. Yeah,

524
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<v Speaker 3>like the wisdom traditions, you could say, Melcheesadek is considered

525
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<v Speaker 3>to be like a grand priest of an initiatory society.

526
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<v Speaker 3>And like there's even scriptures and the New Testament that

527
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<v Speaker 3>say that Jesus. I'm gonna find it because I don't

528
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<v Speaker 3>want to misquote it like I did the Noah story.

529
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<v Speaker 3>I want to actually read it. But there is a

530
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<v Speaker 3>story where Jesus is being crowned as a high priest

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<v Speaker 3>like the Order of melchees Adek, which is.

532
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<v Speaker 4>The Order of Melcheese a dik okay. So we're thinking

533
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<v Speaker 4>this is like a priest guy. Yes, he has a

534
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<v Speaker 4>name that sounds like a vampire.

535
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but it actually means something along the lines of

536
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<v Speaker 3>Jupiter like Zedek was like a ancient name to say,

537
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<v Speaker 3>Jupiter whoa an ancient.

538
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<v Speaker 4>Like like a Hebrew thing or oh what.

539
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<v Speaker 3>Hebrews seven thirteen seventeen. Jesus is considered a priest in

540
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<v Speaker 3>the order of melchies A dec whoa. So the point

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<v Speaker 3>there is there was you know, realistically, if we're looking

542
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<v Speaker 3>at the actual historical roots of the Bible, there was

543
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<v Speaker 3>a few hundred years there between these texts. But if

544
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<v Speaker 3>you think about it in terms of like the Church

545
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<v Speaker 3>biblical canon, we're talking that, you know, they believed Genesis

546
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<v Speaker 3>was written thousands and thousands of years before Christ. But

547
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<v Speaker 3>the idea here is that Melchesadek existed way before Jesus

548
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<v Speaker 3>and for bare minimum, you know, five hundred or so years.

549
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<v Speaker 3>This was a name that carried significance that they passed

550
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<v Speaker 3>on through their tradition as this you know, grand priest

551
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<v Speaker 3>that they said, you know, Jesus is like mel Jesudec,

552
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<v Speaker 3>He's like the priest.

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<v Speaker 4>Then it was like kind of like a title. Yeah

554
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<v Speaker 4>that was passed down. Yeah, Okay, cool, all right. Chapter fifteen,

555
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<v Speaker 4>The Lord promised Abram and Air and many descendants. Abram

556
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<v Speaker 4>believed he was told that they would be enslaved, but

557
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<v Speaker 4>that they would return. Okay, that's already wild. God's like,

558
00:28:50.920 --> 00:28:53.640
<v Speaker 4>you're definitely gonna have a bunch of sons and heirs,

559
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<v Speaker 4>but they're going to be slaves for sure, but don't worry,

560
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<v Speaker 4>they'll come back as if that's like comforting, right, okay.

561
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<v Speaker 4>Sixteen Sir I told Abraham to have children with Hagar,

562
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<v Speaker 4>Sammy Hagar bro we were we were just talking about

563
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<v Speaker 4>you running with the devil did well. That was David

564
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<v Speaker 4>Lee Roth. Oh, it's okay, that's just that's funny. Hey,

565
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<v Speaker 4>Hagar Hagar conceived then ran don't keep it together, Alex

566
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<v Speaker 4>Hagar can conceived then ran away. That's wild, like immediately okay,

567
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<v Speaker 4>but an angel sent her back. Hagar's son was Ishmael.

568
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<v Speaker 3>There's an interesting theory there too, tell me it. So

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<v Speaker 3>let me get this straight. You just said that Ishmael

570
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<v Speaker 3>was Sarah's son, who was Abraham's wife, but she couldn't conceive, right, right,

571
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<v Speaker 3>So it's Sarah's son, but not Abraham's, right, So he's

572
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<v Speaker 3>his bastard yes, right, eventually spoiler he's gonna have a son.

573
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<v Speaker 3>When when Sarah's like ninety something years olah.

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<v Speaker 4>Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait no, no, no, no, no,

575
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<v Speaker 4>it's the the Ishmael is the son of abram Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>With another woman and right right, I had it backwards.

577
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<v Speaker 4>Hagar woman, because you picture.

578
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<v Speaker 3>That beautiful Okay, So I got a backwards So Sarah

579
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<v Speaker 3>couldn't have a baby. So he had a baby with

580
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<v Speaker 3>another one. It's his bastard, right yeah. And then eventually

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<v Speaker 3>spoiler God comes to Sarah. He's like, hey, it's gonna

582
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<v Speaker 3>be a miracle, even though you're ninety something years old,

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna have a baby. And they do and it's Isaac.

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<v Speaker 6>Right.

585
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<v Speaker 3>So some traditions say that Ishmael, the bastard son of

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<v Speaker 3>Abraham is like the lineage of Islam, right, yes, where

587
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<v Speaker 3>Isaac is, you know, the lineage of which is So

588
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<v Speaker 3>it's just something I always heard in church growing up,

589
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<v Speaker 3>you know, and it's like, wow, that's really fascinating.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. But there's even like, you know, when they do

591
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<v Speaker 4>like the movie and TV show versions of the Bible stories,

592
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<v Speaker 4>they always show that isn't isn't and that story isn't

593
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<v Speaker 4>like the baby in the basket and it goes down

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<v Speaker 4>the little stream and like whatt Moses? Oh wait wait,

595
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<v Speaker 4>so it wasn't Moses supposed to be the the No, okay,

596
00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:05.400
<v Speaker 4>well I'm just wrong. That's okay.

597
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<v Speaker 3>Moses comes later chapter seven. I know what you're talking about. Though,

598
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<v Speaker 3>I've seen baby in a basketball. That's Moses, the Prince

599
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<v Speaker 3>of Egypt.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

601
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<v Speaker 3>That is a good movie.

602
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<v Speaker 4>The was that Disney?

603
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<v Speaker 3>I think it was.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a good one. I haven't seen it forever though.

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<v Speaker 4>So what you just described was chapter seventeen, So we'll

606
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<v Speaker 4>just skip over that one. Chapter eighteen three. Visitors came

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<v Speaker 4>and said that Sarah would have a son next year.

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<v Speaker 4>Sodom was very evil. Abram Abraham. Okay, so he's become Abraham.

609
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<v Speaker 3>Now he's transformed. He transformed.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you have any information for me about Abraham transforming?

611
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's told to sacrifice his son and he's like, okay,

612
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<v Speaker 3>I guess I'll do it.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh that's that story.

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<v Speaker 3>No, that's not why he gets the name. He gets

615
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<v Speaker 3>the name. I think it's because he makes the covenant

616
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<v Speaker 3>with God. He leaves to a new land and it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>all right, your name will be Abraham, and it's it's.

618
00:31:56.799 --> 00:31:59.960
<v Speaker 4>Like, oh, you're right, you're right, you're right. Chapter seventeen

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<v Speaker 4>I just skipped it because you read most of it

620
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<v Speaker 4>or you quoted most of it. But chapter seventeen God

621
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<v Speaker 4>made a covenant with Abram and renamed him Abraham.

622
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:10.440
<v Speaker 3>If you read like the actual story, Abram comes from

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<v Speaker 3>the land of Earth, which is Babylon. He was a

624
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<v Speaker 3>Babylonian dude, damn. And he's probably been exposed to all

625
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:20.799
<v Speaker 3>these other Babylonian deities, you know, and he he comes

626
00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:28.079
<v Speaker 3>around and he's like, uh, starts you know the Judaic system. Yeah, basically,

627
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<v Speaker 3>but it's it's interesting, like he was in Babylon.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, just a little fun fact. That is a fun

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<v Speaker 4>that's fun. God also renamed Sarah. Sarah promised them a son.

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<v Speaker 4>The men were circumcised. Yeah, it's the covenant right right,

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<v Speaker 4>all right, So three visitors came said that It's like,

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<v Speaker 4>immediately I thought that was like a sound effect that

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<v Speaker 4>you play.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was that was pretty visceral.

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<v Speaker 4>It was okay. Abraham pleaded with the Lord for the city.

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<v Speaker 4>He prayed over the city of Sodom. Chapter nineteen. Angels

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<v Speaker 4>took a lot out of Sodom. The city was destroyed

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<v Speaker 4>by fire, and Lot's wife was turned to salt. His

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<v Speaker 4>daughters had children for.

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<v Speaker 3>Him, which is like that's it, Yeah, that's it, okay, right,

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<v Speaker 3>which is like I got, I knew, I got a

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<v Speaker 3>Genesis story confused somewhere with having children with his daughter. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>but I was right about the Noah being drunk thing

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<v Speaker 3>I got. I'm confused. But anyway, so that story with Lot, right,

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<v Speaker 3>they go back and they're like, don't look back. A

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<v Speaker 3>Lot is like trying to take them out of you know, Sodom,

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<v Speaker 3>and the angels are like, don't look back or you

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<v Speaker 3>know you're gonna regret it, and he looks back and

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<v Speaker 3>they turn into a pillar of salt.

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<v Speaker 4>Right. Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Like Orpheus, Orpheus goes into the underworld to save his

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<v Speaker 3>wife and Hades is like, you can take her out

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<v Speaker 3>of the underworld, but if you look back, she's she's

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<v Speaker 3>gonna stay forever. And he's traveling to get out of

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<v Speaker 3>the underworld, and then he looks back to see if

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<v Speaker 3>she's still with him, and she's trapped there forever.

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<v Speaker 6>Yo.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a crazy parallel. That is a really crazy parallel.

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<v Speaker 4>I love that okay uh. Chapter twenty in Jarrar, Abraham said,

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<v Speaker 4>Sarah is my sister. King Abimelech took her, but God

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<v Speaker 4>warned him in a dream. He restored Sarah to Abraham.

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<v Speaker 4>Twenty one, As promised, Sarah had a son, Isaac. She

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<v Speaker 4>had Hagar and Ishmael sent away, but God preserved them.

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<v Speaker 4>Abraham and Abemelek made a treaty. Chapter twenty two. God

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<v Speaker 4>told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac here we go. As Abraham obeyed,

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<v Speaker 4>an angel stopped him. The Lord provided a ram instead

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<v Speaker 4>and blessed Abraham. So everybody knows that story. Everybody talks

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<v Speaker 4>about it all the time. Right, freaking God's like, kill

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<v Speaker 4>your son. Abraham was like all right, Like, God's like,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just kidding, dude, what the hell's wrong with you?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're worthy.

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<v Speaker 4>You were seriously about to kill your So I'm just joking.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm joking.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a great story though.

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<v Speaker 4>It is. It is. It's about faith. It's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a powerful story about faith. It's crazy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but oh no, no, no, I definitely wouldn't do it.

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't do it.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm good, but thanks though. Chapter twenty three, Sarah died

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<v Speaker 4>in Kyriath Arba. Abraham asked the Hittites for a burial site.

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<v Speaker 4>He bought a cave from Ephron and buried Sarah there.

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<v Speaker 4>All Ip Sarah, I know, right first of her name first? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>literally probably literally, we're talking about the Bible here. Genesis

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<v Speaker 4>chapter twenty four. Abraham's servant went to neahor ney Or

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<v Speaker 4>to find a wife for Isaac. He met Rebecca by

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<v Speaker 4>the well. She went back with him and married Isaac. Damn,

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<v Speaker 4>we're moving on quick.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a lot of drama.

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<v Speaker 4>It's crazy. It is crazy, straight up, like a soap opera.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, freaking first dated the world and then they're hitched. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Chapter twenty five Abraham game he does, I mean ship dude,

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<v Speaker 4>like one of the only guys on the planet.

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<v Speaker 3>They probably got a couple thousand or something.

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<v Speaker 4>At this point, probably probably, but he's like so super old.

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<v Speaker 4>Abraham died and was buried with Sarah. Isaac and Rebecca

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<v Speaker 4>had twins, Soul and Jacob. Wow, dude, how are you

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<v Speaker 4>How the hell are you going to do that to

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<v Speaker 4>one kid? Well, I mean you're gonna name one kid Jacob,

699
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<v Speaker 4>and then the other kid seesaw.

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<v Speaker 3>Like like is this Jacob's ladder.

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<v Speaker 4>That is, yes, Jacobs, that kid hated his life.

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<v Speaker 3>What's the kid?

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<v Speaker 4>What's the kid?

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<v Speaker 5>They had all the jacket of many colors, the jacket

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<v Speaker 5>of many colors. Yeah, the cloak of many colors.

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<v Speaker 4>Harry Potter, dude, you couldn't even get that out.

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<v Speaker 3>Harry Potter, dude, I think it's lost on me. Isn't

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<v Speaker 3>it a parable in the New Testament?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 5>I'll look at it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not familiar with that story, to be honest me neither.

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<v Speaker 5>Clearly.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll look at up.

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<v Speaker 3>The kid with a jacket of mini colors.

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<v Speaker 4>That is kind of like Harry Potter. If you would

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<v Speaker 4>read Harry Potter, you'd be familiar with it. Chapter twenty

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<v Speaker 4>six and gerar Isaac lied about Rebecca. He grew so

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<v Speaker 4>rich that abem Alex sent him away. What the hater?

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<v Speaker 4>What a hater?

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<v Speaker 3>I know, man, they're always like making.

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<v Speaker 4>Sammy haydar Damn dude, you hating him because he's up? Now?

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<v Speaker 4>Like what that's whack? It is, man, that's a whack.

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<v Speaker 4>That's not a real home.

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<v Speaker 3>That's jealousy.

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<v Speaker 4>That's jealousy exactly, He dug wells, what's up with all

726
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<v Speaker 4>these wales, he dug wells.

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<v Speaker 3>How do you think they got watered?

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<v Speaker 4>Dude? Oh yeah, that's probably true. He dug wells. And

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<v Speaker 4>at beer shep Beer Sheba, the Lord blessed him. What's

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<v Speaker 4>beer Sheba.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a maiden. It's a woman at beer Sebba, the

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<v Speaker 3>Lord blessed him. Oh, I'm thinking about Yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 3>beer Chevy beer s h e b a.

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<v Speaker 4>You know who is huh?

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<v Speaker 3>You know who bath is? Bathsheba was this uh, this

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<v Speaker 3>naked maiden who was in her bathtub on the roof

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<v Speaker 3>of her house.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And King David Caesar and he's like yeah, and he

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<v Speaker 3>finds out that her husband is a general in his army.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know what he does. He sends him to

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<v Speaker 3>fight on the front lines and die.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's right. I remember that, just so

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<v Speaker 4>he can get with her. Yeah, he wants to get

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<v Speaker 4>up in that bath.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, with bath Sheba.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what I'm saying. So I wonder if this is.

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<v Speaker 3>Saying that, uh, for Sheba is the Beer Sheba. Southernmost

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<v Speaker 3>city in the territory is settled by the Israelites.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, cool, all right? Twenty seven Rebecca and Jacob tricked

751
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<v Speaker 4>Isaac into giving Jacob his blessing. Sea saw Esal vowed revenge,

752
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<v Speaker 4>so Rebecca told Jacob to go to her brother Lebon. Dude,

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<v Speaker 4>the drama, Oh my god.

754
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<v Speaker 3>It should be Jacob's Ladder coming up.

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<v Speaker 4>At twenty eight, Isaac sent Jacob to marry one of

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<v Speaker 4>Lebon's daughters. On the way, Jacob dreamed of a ladder

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<v Speaker 4>reaching to heaven.

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<v Speaker 3>Which is esoterically the path of initiation. This is something

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<v Speaker 3>I want to get into because I'm pretty sure we're

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<v Speaker 3>nearing the end of Genesis here.

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<v Speaker 4>We got like twenty more chapters. But oh it's okay,

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<v Speaker 4>Well we don't have to know, No, we don't want

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<v Speaker 4>we don't.

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<v Speaker 3>But we did the tower babble, we did Jacob's Ladder,

765
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<v Speaker 3>we did.

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<v Speaker 4>The creation story, we did the creation story.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because I'm going to focus heavily on the creation story.

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<v Speaker 3>But what I wanted to talk about, the reason we discussed, like,

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<v Speaker 3>let's talk about Genesis and Revelation was the idea that

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<v Speaker 3>some of these texts might have dual meanings. Right, Yes,

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<v Speaker 3>some of them might have esoteric meanings.

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<v Speaker 4>We've already pointed out a couple.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, But if you look towards like the Rosicrucians, or

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<v Speaker 3>the Freemasons, or Theosophy, Anthroposophy, a lot of these other

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<v Speaker 3>secret traditions throughout the past have said that there are

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<v Speaker 3>secret meanings behind these stories, right, just for the listener's sake,

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<v Speaker 3>for those who might not be aware. And it's believed

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<v Speaker 3>that Jacob's Ladder is an allegory about the ascension and

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<v Speaker 3>the awakening of consciousness, right because he sees this vision,

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<v Speaker 3>he sees this ladder. How many rungs are on the ladder?

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<v Speaker 4>It doesn't say in my notes.

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<v Speaker 3>Look it up?

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<v Speaker 4>Is it thirty three?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it?

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<v Speaker 4>Can you confirm it that thirty three wouldn't be very high?

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<v Speaker 4>I know, is it like eleven thirty three?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I don't know either. But my first thought when

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<v Speaker 4>you mentioned that it's like an allegory, it is also

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<v Speaker 4>like the Chakras, the Chalkras quite.

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<v Speaker 3>Great climb climbing up the Kundalini the spine, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the Kundalini energy climbing the spine through ascension. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know that it actually says how many rungs there are

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<v Speaker 3>on the ladder, but that would be interesting if they

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<v Speaker 3>were like there's thirty three.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I thought you were asking like you knew the answer.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I don't.

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<v Speaker 4>Octually gotcha?

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<v Speaker 3>Does it say I'm seeing mostly seven? And then this?

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<v Speaker 3>And then Wikipedia is saying that many details are added

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<v Speaker 3>to the Genesis narrative.

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<v Speaker 5>The letter is made of twelve steps.

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<v Speaker 3>Either way, I mean seven and twelve or mystical isn't Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>And then this is saying and on each step there

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<v Speaker 3>are two human forms. Seven and twelve are numbers. We're

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<v Speaker 3>going to find a lot in Revelation yep. And in

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<v Speaker 3>the Book of Genesis, actually there are different I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's like this is something I learned in college and

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<v Speaker 3>Alex you should look this up. But I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>like the number seven is literally encoded in the Book

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<v Speaker 3>of Genesis, like the way that they wrote the actual alphabet,

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<v Speaker 3>like you know, the Aramaic that the letters it was mathematical.

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<v Speaker 3>They have all this jamatrius stuff, right, you know what

814
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<v Speaker 3>jamatria is. It's like if you take the Greek alphabet

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<v Speaker 3>or the Hebrew alphabet and you assign numeric values to

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<v Speaker 3>the letters. So now words have a numeric value in

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<v Speaker 3>these languages. Cool, which is like something we'll talk about later.

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<v Speaker 3>With Emperor Nero being six sixty six. So it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>for example, Elohem being in Genesis thirty three times, or

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<v Speaker 3>at least in the Creation story, a lot of numerology, right,

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<v Speaker 3>And in the Creation story when it's talking about, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the first seven days, it's like, God, I wish I

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<v Speaker 3>could remember, but it's like the number seven constantly repeats

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<v Speaker 3>in the actual composition of the story. It's crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>But like the math of the words, yes.

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<v Speaker 3>The actual math of the words. It's not that they like,

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<v Speaker 3>say the number seven, but it's like if you know

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<v Speaker 3>your stuff and you look at the numbers, the numerology

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<v Speaker 3>of the words, it's like coded into it.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, the idea is that it was mystics

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<v Speaker 3>who wrote these stories, that maybe it was while they

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<v Speaker 3>were in captivity in Babylon. Yeah, you know, I'm not

834
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<v Speaker 3>so sure, but we have this ancient Kabalistic tradition kabbala, right,

835
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<v Speaker 3>so there was this secret initiatory judae tradition that you know,

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<v Speaker 3>some people argue that maybe they were responsible for writing

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<v Speaker 3>some of these Old Testament scrolls, which would explain why

838
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<v Speaker 3>they would have all this secret numerology behind them and everything.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, so the Tower of Babel, the Creation Story,

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<v Speaker 3>and Jacob Slatter are allegedly esoteric stories, right, but specifically

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<v Speaker 3>for today, I wanted to focus on the Creation story

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<v Speaker 3>and the theosophic perspective. So theosophy, we've done episodes on theosophy.

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<v Speaker 3>We've done at least one, the Ageless Wisdom, and it

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<v Speaker 3>was basically started by Heleno Blovotsky right in the I

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<v Speaker 3>think it was.

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<v Speaker 4>The eighteen hundreds, right, like late eighteen hundred, wasn't that longer?

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<v Speaker 3>And Helena Blovotsky is really cool at least her work

848
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<v Speaker 3>is cool. And the way that she like explains esoteric

849
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<v Speaker 3>terminology is very I don't know how to say it.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe you could help me with this, but it's it's

851
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<v Speaker 3>very like comparative, like the way that it seeks to

852
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<v Speaker 3>dispel the symbolism between the different mythologies, like or rather

853
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<v Speaker 3>compare the symbolism between the mythologies and dispel the secrecy

854
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<v Speaker 3>behind them, you know. But yeah, so I I have

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of really interesting takes about the Creation story.

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<v Speaker 3>So we're going to start with the principle of the monad.

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<v Speaker 3>The monad, according to the theosophic perspective, is a fundamental,

858
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<v Speaker 3>pure spiritual essence or entity that exists within the life

859
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<v Speaker 3>of the logos or the divine source.

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<v Speaker 4>Within the life of the Logos.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>It represents the highest, most universal aspect of consciousness, embodying

864
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<v Speaker 3>a state of pure spirituality and unity. The monad as

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<v Speaker 3>seen as a divine spark or individual expression of the

866
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<v Speaker 3>divine consciousness that undergoes a process of incarnation into matter,

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<v Speaker 3>experiencing limitations and the duality of physical existence. This journey

868
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<v Speaker 3>into matter involves a transformation where the monad must navigate

869
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:29.280
<v Speaker 3>the challenges and separations inherent in physical embodiment. So like,

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<v Speaker 3>it's been suggested that the story of Lucifer is an allegory,

871
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<v Speaker 3>right like, the whole story of he falls into material

872
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<v Speaker 3>reality and he's trapped there and locked away for a

873
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<v Speaker 3>thousand years or whatever, and then you know, he's unleashed.

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<v Speaker 3>From the Cabbalistic perspective, when you look at the Tree

875
00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:51.239
<v Speaker 3>of Life, it's suggested that it's it's duality, right, one

876
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<v Speaker 3>side is light, one side is dark. It's suggested that

877
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<v Speaker 3>one side is Lucifer and one side is Christ or enlightenment,

878
00:45:56.840 --> 00:46:00.280
<v Speaker 3>right like that, maybe it's the lightning bolt path, right,

879
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<v Speaker 3>that we descend into the depths and then we ascend

880
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:05.079
<v Speaker 3>back to the godhood.

881
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:05.360
<v Speaker 4>Right.

882
00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:12.360
<v Speaker 3>So it's been suggested that we as you know, the

883
00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:17.000
<v Speaker 3>way that we exist now material humans, we existed as

884
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<v Speaker 3>a part of this monad, as a part of the logos,

885
00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:23.000
<v Speaker 3>the life force, like we come from a higher.

886
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<v Speaker 4>We are a material expression of that higher consciousness. Right.

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<v Speaker 3>And the esoteric tradition teaches that these stories of like

888
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<v Speaker 3>the Devil certain elements of the Old Testament and the Bible,

889
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<v Speaker 3>because again it's not that the Bible is not true,

890
00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:39.679
<v Speaker 3>but rather that it is esoteric and it has a

891
00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:43.000
<v Speaker 3>deeper wisdom about reality itself and the the you know,

892
00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:45.880
<v Speaker 3>the cosmos and everything. But the idea is that we

893
00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:50.559
<v Speaker 3>existed perfectly in a spiritual state before we incarnated here

894
00:46:51.079 --> 00:46:55.000
<v Speaker 3>we fell into material matter, right, and now we are

895
00:46:55.039 --> 00:46:59.920
<v Speaker 3>ascending back. It's that lightning bulb path. So the expulsion

896
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<v Speaker 3>from Eden. According to the theosophical view, the serpent's deception

897
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:09.039
<v Speaker 3>is the awakening of our duality. Right, So the serpent

898
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<v Speaker 3>is a symbol of the Kundalini energy, or the latent

899
00:47:11.599 --> 00:47:14.599
<v Speaker 3>spiritual power within attempts eve to eat from the tree

900
00:47:14.599 --> 00:47:17.199
<v Speaker 3>of knowledge of good and evil. It represents the awakening

901
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:20.599
<v Speaker 3>of consciousness and duality within humanity, moving from a state

902
00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:23.519
<v Speaker 3>of pure spirit to one of dual awareness. Adam and

903
00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:26.880
<v Speaker 3>Eve's realization of their nakedness symbolizes the loss of primal

904
00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:31.119
<v Speaker 3>unity in the emergence of self consciousness. The curses placed

905
00:47:31.199 --> 00:47:33.679
<v Speaker 3>upon Adam and Eve and the serpent are symbolic of

906
00:47:33.719 --> 00:47:38.719
<v Speaker 3>the karmic consequences of spiritual descent. Eve's pain in childbirth

907
00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:43.159
<v Speaker 3>signifies the burden of material existence and the cycle of

908
00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:46.239
<v Speaker 3>birth and death, while Adam's toil represents the struggle of

909
00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:50.519
<v Speaker 3>the soul within the dense physical realm. The ground cursed

910
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:53.199
<v Speaker 3>to produce thorns and thistles is emblematic of the hardships

911
00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:56.199
<v Speaker 3>encountered in the material plane as a result of humanity's

912
00:47:56.320 --> 00:47:59.559
<v Speaker 3>choice to experience duality, and we'll get into the choice later.

913
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:05.599
<v Speaker 3>The expulsion guarded by the flaming sword, you know, the Cherubim,

914
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:09.400
<v Speaker 3>represents the soul's departure from the higher spiritual planes into

915
00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:12.719
<v Speaker 3>the physical world. The sword of fire is a symbol

916
00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:15.119
<v Speaker 3>of divine wisdom, which both protects the way to the

917
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:17.719
<v Speaker 3>Tree of life and signifies the barrier between the higher

918
00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:20.760
<v Speaker 3>states of consciousness and the physical world. The journey into

919
00:48:20.760 --> 00:48:24.079
<v Speaker 3>the material realm is a necessary phase of the soul's evolution,

920
00:48:24.559 --> 00:48:28.320
<v Speaker 3>leading to the eventual return to divine unity after experiencing

921
00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:31.320
<v Speaker 3>and transcending duality again. It's like the lightning bolt path

922
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:34.639
<v Speaker 3>and Kabbala. It strikes down and then it ascends back

923
00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:39.400
<v Speaker 3>up right. The monad ego in the Seven bodies. According

924
00:48:39.400 --> 00:48:43.880
<v Speaker 3>to theosophy, the narrative of Eden symbolizes the monad or

925
00:48:43.880 --> 00:48:47.000
<v Speaker 3>the egos, descent into the physical plane, taking on the

926
00:48:47.079 --> 00:48:50.559
<v Speaker 3>seven bodies of human existence, which, according to the esoteric view,

927
00:48:50.639 --> 00:48:54.280
<v Speaker 3>or the physical body, the etheric body, the astral body,

928
00:48:54.559 --> 00:48:57.719
<v Speaker 3>the lower mental body, the higher mental or the causal body,

929
00:48:57.800 --> 00:48:59.639
<v Speaker 3>which is like the version of you that exists in

930
00:48:59.639 --> 00:49:03.400
<v Speaker 3>the call or karmic plane, the intuitional or the booty

931
00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:07.599
<v Speaker 3>like Buddha, the booty, and the spiritual or the monad atma,

932
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:09.519
<v Speaker 3>which is like the pure form of your soul that

933
00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:13.760
<v Speaker 3>exists in a higher reality. You know, Otman is like

934
00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:17.519
<v Speaker 3>soul and Hinduism. Obviously we said this in the in

935
00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:20.360
<v Speaker 3>the in the Wisdom Traditions episode, not the Wisdom Traditions,

936
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:23.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, the Ageless Wisdom episode, but it you know,

937
00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:27.920
<v Speaker 3>It's a nice little reminder that Helena Blovotski likes to

938
00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:31.119
<v Speaker 3>relate a lot of these terms to like Hinduism or

939
00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:35.440
<v Speaker 3>Tibetan Buddhism, because in her belief, they held like the

940
00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:39.559
<v Speaker 3>most pure version of spiritual wisdom. Which is something that

941
00:49:39.639 --> 00:49:44.280
<v Speaker 3>I read today from a very interesting guy that I've

942
00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:47.559
<v Speaker 3>never heard of. His name is let me find it

943
00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:50.440
<v Speaker 3>because I have it written down. His name is I

944
00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:53.400
<v Speaker 3>think it's Bill Donahue. Yeah, it's Bill Donahue. And he

945
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:55.719
<v Speaker 3>was like a Catholic priest and now he has this

946
00:49:55.760 --> 00:50:02.960
<v Speaker 3>website that is very very interesting and he just constantly

947
00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:08.719
<v Speaker 3>dispels like esoteric wisdom, or not dispels, but like yeah, yeah,

948
00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:11.320
<v Speaker 3>like just expounds on the symbolism and the Bible and

949
00:50:11.400 --> 00:50:13.599
<v Speaker 3>all this stuff and what it really means. And something

950
00:50:13.599 --> 00:50:14.960
<v Speaker 3>that he said in one of his videos that I

951
00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:20.599
<v Speaker 3>watched today was that the uh, the story and revelations,

952
00:50:20.679 --> 00:50:22.760
<v Speaker 3>which you know, we'll get to later, but he said

953
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:25.519
<v Speaker 3>that the story and revelations of all of the seven

954
00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:32.360
<v Speaker 3>rivers in the East are symbolic of the hidden mysteries

955
00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:35.039
<v Speaker 3>of the East. So like the idea of what he

956
00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:36.920
<v Speaker 3>was saying is that like, even though you know, Western

957
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:39.559
<v Speaker 3>esotericism is true, and you know, God and deities and

958
00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:45.400
<v Speaker 3>the soul, but that the wisdom of here's what he said.

959
00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:50.400
<v Speaker 3>He said that the path to initiation, to awaken the

960
00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:52.079
<v Speaker 3>soul is hidden in the mysteries of the East. So

961
00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:54.519
<v Speaker 3>I was like, that's very interesting. I've had this thought

962
00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:57.280
<v Speaker 3>for a while. It's like, I feel like you can't

963
00:50:57.320 --> 00:51:00.239
<v Speaker 3>really have the truth unless you blend the wisdom of

964
00:51:00.320 --> 00:51:01.960
<v Speaker 3>the East and the West. And when you put it

965
00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:05.119
<v Speaker 3>in these terms, that's very fascinating because when you dive

966
00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:09.039
<v Speaker 3>into these esoteric traditions of Western society, they have these

967
00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:13.000
<v Speaker 3>like meditation practices and kundalini and tantra and like raising

968
00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:17.159
<v Speaker 3>your your energy like they practice in Hinduism or Tibetan Buddhism. Yeah,

969
00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:19.719
<v Speaker 3>you know, so it's like that's an interesting thought. It's

970
00:51:19.760 --> 00:51:22.599
<v Speaker 3>like the concepts of the West have great ideas about

971
00:51:22.679 --> 00:51:30.440
<v Speaker 3>like angelic hierarchies, you know, you could say like ritual magic, allegory, symbolism,

972
00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:33.280
<v Speaker 3>all this other amazing stuff. But then maybe it's like

973
00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:38.039
<v Speaker 3>the practices of the East have actual practices, like meditative practices.

974
00:51:38.239 --> 00:51:41.079
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. I think there are two necessary sides to the

975
00:51:41.079 --> 00:51:43.079
<v Speaker 4>same coin, and they Mesh. That's one of the things

976
00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:46.320
<v Speaker 4>that I adore so much about theosophy is that it

977
00:51:46.559 --> 00:51:51.440
<v Speaker 4>pulls from both Western and Eastern philosophy, and it recognizes

978
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:55.199
<v Speaker 4>that it's all important to the whole, to the whole picture.

979
00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:58.320
<v Speaker 3>That's right. And the amazing thing is that her Meticism

980
00:51:58.320 --> 00:52:01.400
<v Speaker 3>itself did that too. It like, the whole point of

981
00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:03.480
<v Speaker 3>these sages is they were traveling and they were learning

982
00:52:03.480 --> 00:52:05.760
<v Speaker 3>all this knowledge and taking these scrolls. It was it

983
00:52:05.800 --> 00:52:10.239
<v Speaker 3>was very syncretic, right, And there's that whole alternate version

984
00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:17.599
<v Speaker 3>of Jesus where maybe he traveled to India, Tibet, Persia, Greece,

985
00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:21.519
<v Speaker 3>you know, Egypt, and like Pythagorast did this. He actually,

986
00:52:21.559 --> 00:52:23.920
<v Speaker 3>like the historical Pythagorast did this. He was like a

987
00:52:24.039 --> 00:52:27.719
<v Speaker 3>sage who traveled. Yeah, and Plato did this, you know.

988
00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:30.079
<v Speaker 3>And it's like, there's there's something to this notion that

989
00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:33.039
<v Speaker 3>there is some profound, you know, mysticism in the East.

990
00:52:33.280 --> 00:52:35.320
<v Speaker 3>But anyway, so I wanted to preface that that a

991
00:52:35.320 --> 00:52:37.679
<v Speaker 3>lot of these terms are going to be in like Tibetan,

992
00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:41.480
<v Speaker 3>Buddhist or Hindu terms, because it was Helena Bblovotsky's way

993
00:52:41.480 --> 00:52:48.679
<v Speaker 3>of understanding it anyway, So back to that, these bodies

994
00:52:48.719 --> 00:52:53.000
<v Speaker 3>represent varying degrees of materiality, with the monad ego's divine

995
00:52:53.039 --> 00:52:57.400
<v Speaker 3>consciousness becoming increasingly enmeshed in the densest physical matter symbolized

996
00:52:57.400 --> 00:53:00.320
<v Speaker 3>by the physical body. The descent is both a fall

997
00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:04.000
<v Speaker 3>and yet also a necessary stage in the evolutionary journey

998
00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:08.000
<v Speaker 3>and theosophical terms, the Lord God is not a single

999
00:53:08.119 --> 00:53:12.840
<v Speaker 3>anthropomorphic entity or deity, rather but represents the collective forces

1000
00:53:12.840 --> 00:53:18.079
<v Speaker 3>of the elohem or spiritual intelligences driving the evolutionary process.

1001
00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:22.199
<v Speaker 3>These forces, while divine and origin manifest differently across various

1002
00:53:22.199 --> 00:53:26.480
<v Speaker 3>planes of existence, from a lower material perspective, they appear

1003
00:53:26.519 --> 00:53:30.719
<v Speaker 3>as limiting or even malevolent or satanic, symbolizing the dual

1004
00:53:30.760 --> 00:53:34.039
<v Speaker 3>aspect of divine will both creative and destructive as it

1005
00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:39.400
<v Speaker 3>pushes the monad ego toward physical incarnation and then eventual liberation.

1006
00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:44.079
<v Speaker 3>So think about that, and it talks about this later too.

1007
00:53:44.440 --> 00:53:49.920
<v Speaker 3>But the way that we understand satan, right, most people

1008
00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:54.239
<v Speaker 3>think it's an actual being, the stories of the devil

1009
00:53:54.239 --> 00:54:00.320
<v Speaker 3>in the Bible, that there's this one central evil personification

1010
00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:04.199
<v Speaker 3>that like is oppressing every living soul on earth. But

1011
00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:07.679
<v Speaker 3>then this view is like well, the stories of the

1012
00:54:07.719 --> 00:54:11.920
<v Speaker 3>devil and you know, the malevolent forces. When you really

1013
00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:15.199
<v Speaker 3>think about it and you zoom up to the highest

1014
00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:20.960
<v Speaker 3>level of reality where you're observing evolutionary processes, that it

1015
00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:26.360
<v Speaker 3>was necessary for our soul to suffer the experience of

1016
00:54:26.440 --> 00:54:31.639
<v Speaker 3>material reality and incarnate here, come lower and incarnate here

1017
00:54:31.639 --> 00:54:34.960
<v Speaker 3>for the experience of being here, and then evolve and

1018
00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:38.719
<v Speaker 3>grow and then you know, ascend back out of here.

1019
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:40.239
<v Speaker 3>Not that it's like we're trapped here.

1020
00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:40.639
<v Speaker 4>You know.

1021
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:42.760
<v Speaker 3>The gnostic view is like we're trapped here, We're in hell.

1022
00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:46.280
<v Speaker 3>It's a nightmare, and it's like maybe it is, but

1023
00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:50.280
<v Speaker 3>maybe it's also in the bigger picture, it's just a

1024
00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:51.159
<v Speaker 3>part of our journey.

1025
00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:55.119
<v Speaker 4>That's yeah, it's part of the journey. Like this, like this,

1026
00:54:55.719 --> 00:54:57.599
<v Speaker 4>what did you call it? The I know it's not

1027
00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:03.239
<v Speaker 4>no monad, monad said nomad. It's like the the monad

1028
00:55:03.480 --> 00:55:07.199
<v Speaker 4>is like this higher ultimate high consciousness thing, like this

1029
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:12.599
<v Speaker 4>primordial consciousness wouldn't trap itself in a material realm to

1030
00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:17.800
<v Speaker 4>be tortured. It would willingly send itself to this material

1031
00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:20.800
<v Speaker 4>realm to learn what duality.

1032
00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:23.440
<v Speaker 3>Is to knowing that it will be tortured, yes, knowing

1033
00:55:23.480 --> 00:55:26.079
<v Speaker 3>that it's necessary because it will grow exactly, you know.

1034
00:55:26.159 --> 00:55:28.800
<v Speaker 3>So it's like on this level, it's it's perspective, right.

1035
00:55:28.719 --> 00:55:31.519
<v Speaker 4>No learning in heaven. Remember we said that before, Like

1036
00:55:31.599 --> 00:55:32.960
<v Speaker 4>it's that it's perspective.

1037
00:55:33.320 --> 00:55:37.119
<v Speaker 3>Like on the one hand, when you're you know, on

1038
00:55:37.199 --> 00:55:40.480
<v Speaker 3>the ground looking at things from a certain perspective, you're like, wow,

1039
00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:43.119
<v Speaker 3>this ocean is really big, and you know it's or

1040
00:55:43.159 --> 00:55:45.400
<v Speaker 3>you know, these trees are really big and they're as

1041
00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:47.039
<v Speaker 3>far as I can see, and then you're up in

1042
00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:48.800
<v Speaker 3>the sky and you look down in their little dots.

1043
00:55:48.960 --> 00:55:51.480
<v Speaker 3>It's just it's all about perspective, right. And it's the

1044
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<v Speaker 3>same with the soul, And that's that's a very interesting take,

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<v Speaker 3>like maybe there even aren't negative and malevolent forces, which

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<v Speaker 3>obviously I believe that there are. But then again, it's

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<v Speaker 3>like when you go to the higher levels of reality,

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00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:06.079
<v Speaker 3>it's like, but you know, maybe that's a necessary part

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00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:08.559
<v Speaker 3>of this phase.

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<v Speaker 4>It absolutely is.

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00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:13.039
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's one hundred percent necessary to test us

1052
00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:15.880
<v Speaker 3>to you know, to make us evolve even higher. And

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00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:18.840
<v Speaker 3>like there's some grand cosmic plan for us to come

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00:56:18.880 --> 00:56:21.159
<v Speaker 3>here into this place where it sucks. But it's like, well,

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00:56:21.199 --> 00:56:22.920
<v Speaker 3>you know, but it's going to be good. After, it's

1056
00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:24.440
<v Speaker 3>going to be better after, and it can be good

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00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:24.840
<v Speaker 3>here too.

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00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:29.480
<v Speaker 4>Yes, it's to learn to appreciate the cosmic truth, like

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00:56:29.679 --> 00:56:31.880
<v Speaker 4>to learn to appreciate the soul.

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00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:36.719
<v Speaker 3>And it's like building an immune system. Man, Like, you know,

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00:56:36.960 --> 00:56:39.159
<v Speaker 3>you can be exposed to pathogens that kill you. But

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00:56:39.239 --> 00:56:42.079
<v Speaker 3>then from a scientific perspective, you could be like, but

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00:56:42.119 --> 00:56:44.679
<v Speaker 3>what if in an intelligent way, I expose myself to

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00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:48.480
<v Speaker 3>these pathogens or you know, I'm not whatever, so that

1065
00:56:48.480 --> 00:56:50.960
<v Speaker 3>I could build an immune system and be stronger, you know,

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00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:54.239
<v Speaker 3>and be more resilient. And it's it's just like, it's

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00:56:54.280 --> 00:56:56.719
<v Speaker 3>the same with the soul. It's the same with higher realities.

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<v Speaker 3>So the traditional Christian doctrine of original sin, which is

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00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:05.239
<v Speaker 3>obviously when they eat from the tree, roots in the

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00:57:05.239 --> 00:57:07.199
<v Speaker 3>Fall of Adam and Eve, as seen in Theosophy as

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<v Speaker 3>a misunderstanding rather than a moral transgression. The fall symbolizes

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00:57:11.639 --> 00:57:14.320
<v Speaker 3>the natural descent of the human monads or souls into

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00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:17.079
<v Speaker 3>physical bodies as a necessary step in the human evolution.

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<v Speaker 3>In this view, the use of procreative power by early

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00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:25.039
<v Speaker 3>humanity was not sinful, but it is a natural process

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00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:28.679
<v Speaker 3>essential for the survival and development of the species. The

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00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:33.159
<v Speaker 3>notion that sexuality is inherently impure is rejected. Rather, it

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00:57:33.199 --> 00:57:37.360
<v Speaker 3>is a neutral, impersonal force that can either be elevated

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00:57:37.519 --> 00:57:41.960
<v Speaker 3>or degraded depending on its use. Theosophy and pretty much

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00:57:41.960 --> 00:57:45.039
<v Speaker 3>all esoteric doctrines that aren't you know, like on the

1081
00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:51.400
<v Speaker 3>dark side, like the good shit. Theosophy emphasizes that while

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00:57:51.519 --> 00:57:55.239
<v Speaker 3>misuse of sexual energy can lead to negative outcomes, its

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00:57:55.280 --> 00:58:01.079
<v Speaker 3>proper transmutation can result in spiritual and intellectual creativity, inspiring genius,

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00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:04.119
<v Speaker 3>and even granting esoteric stages superhuman abilities.

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<v Speaker 4>Just like everything in nature. Everything in nature can be

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00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:11.199
<v Speaker 4>elevated or degraded right on use, and leak can lead

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<v Speaker 4>to awakening. Yeah.

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00:58:13.320 --> 00:58:17.400
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, when procreative nature is channeled and transmuted, it can

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00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:21.480
<v Speaker 3>lead to profound, spiritual and intellectual achievements. This process is

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00:58:21.519 --> 00:58:25.400
<v Speaker 3>not about rejecting physicality, but rather about elevating and integrating

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00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:29.000
<v Speaker 3>it into a higher spiritual context, aligning with the ultimate

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00:58:29.039 --> 00:58:33.320
<v Speaker 3>goal of human evolution, self realization and union with the divine.

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<v Speaker 3>And it talks later about how a part of our

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00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:41.760
<v Speaker 3>a part of our experience here is like incarnating with

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00:58:42.000 --> 00:58:45.639
<v Speaker 3>like part of the fall into material reality was like

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00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:49.519
<v Speaker 3>the higher monad. This this ultra transcendent consciousness being like, Okay,

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00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:53.159
<v Speaker 3>I'm a perfect being, but I must subject myself to

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00:58:53.199 --> 00:58:57.079
<v Speaker 3>go down there to where I am subject to emotional, physical,

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00:58:57.159 --> 00:59:01.519
<v Speaker 3>and intellectual impulses, which on the physical level is like obviously,

1100
00:59:01.559 --> 00:59:04.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, the Seven Deadly sins devices whatever. It's like,

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00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:09.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to be subjected to these impulses, but then

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00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:13.599
<v Speaker 3>it's going to manifest on the human level as a

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00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:17.679
<v Speaker 3>desire for love. So it's like it's it's a part

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00:59:17.679 --> 00:59:21.679
<v Speaker 3>of the it's like, you know, anyway, we'll get to

1105
00:59:21.679 --> 00:59:26.679
<v Speaker 3>it later. But so the temptation by the devil, right, So,

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00:59:26.719 --> 00:59:28.960
<v Speaker 3>in esoteric philosophy, the devil in Eden is not a

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00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:34.320
<v Speaker 3>singular being, but a personification of various formative forces, processes,

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00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:39.599
<v Speaker 3>and intelligences. Satan represents differentiated matter, its inherent life force,

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00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:43.079
<v Speaker 3>and the influence these have on human consciousness. The devil

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00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:47.440
<v Speaker 3>embodies the negative pole of the cosmic energy spectrum, where

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00:59:47.519 --> 00:59:50.719
<v Speaker 3>matter plays a crucial role in the awakening of creative

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00:59:50.760 --> 00:59:54.679
<v Speaker 3>fire within the spirit. Spirit and matter are viewed as

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00:59:54.719 --> 00:59:58.519
<v Speaker 3>the positive and negative poles of one energy, and their

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00:59:58.559 --> 01:00:04.360
<v Speaker 3>interaction generates elect tromagnetic attraction, symbolizing the creative process, and

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01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:07.800
<v Speaker 3>this allegory, eve represents the universal substance responding to the

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01:00:07.840 --> 01:00:13.559
<v Speaker 3>life force. In parentheses, the devil and tempts atom symbolizing

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01:00:13.639 --> 01:00:18.440
<v Speaker 3>spirit to engage in material expression. The role of the

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<v Speaker 3>devil in the human evolution, or the temptation by the

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01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:25.519
<v Speaker 3>devil rather, is not a malevolent act, but it is

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<v Speaker 3>an essential aspect of the evolutionary process. It reflects the

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01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:34.719
<v Speaker 3>lure of material existence and the necessary descent of spirit

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01:00:34.880 --> 01:00:40.800
<v Speaker 3>into matter to achieve full self expression and ultimately spiritual growth.

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<v Speaker 3>So at one point the mode add up in this

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01:00:43.519 --> 01:00:47.280
<v Speaker 3>high you know, extending you know, existing state of reality,

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01:00:47.480 --> 01:00:50.360
<v Speaker 3>which isn't even like you got to think about it,

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01:00:50.360 --> 01:00:53.039
<v Speaker 3>like there's one original consciousness, which is true from the

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01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:56.920
<v Speaker 3>Theosophic perspective, the Hermetic, the resicrution, the Mason that all

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<v Speaker 3>these different traditions, you know, secret society, they're all like

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<v Speaker 3>there's one consciousness. The Gnostics, whatever, the you know, Brahm

1130
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<v Speaker 3>and the supreme God of Hinduism. It's this one mind. Right.

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01:01:09.960 --> 01:01:13.519
<v Speaker 3>Theosophy and some other traditions say, well, at some point

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<v Speaker 3>that mind was like but I want to experience, right, Yeah,

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01:01:17.639 --> 01:01:23.679
<v Speaker 3>So it seeks individualization. Individualization, that's a hard word. So

1134
01:01:23.719 --> 01:01:27.280
<v Speaker 3>it comes down here and it seeks to be individuals. Yeah,

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01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:31.280
<v Speaker 3>not just this one thing, but many different individuals.

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01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:32.880
<v Speaker 4>In order to see different perspectives.

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01:01:32.960 --> 01:01:34.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because it's like what would that be, Like, Yeah,

1138
01:01:35.039 --> 01:01:35.760
<v Speaker 3>it's gonna suck.

1139
01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:38.079
<v Speaker 4>Sure, it's going to really suck. It's to get the

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01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:40.719
<v Speaker 4>full picture. It's to like actually be able to have

1141
01:01:40.800 --> 01:01:45.880
<v Speaker 4>an experience rather than just like existing. It's an experience

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01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:49.719
<v Speaker 4>versus just you know, being out there exactly nothing going on.

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01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:50.880
<v Speaker 3>So that's what this is suggesting.

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01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:54.480
<v Speaker 4>Like if I was a ball of primordial energy and

1145
01:01:54.519 --> 01:01:57.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm just floating out there in the cosmos, I'd be like,

1146
01:01:58.199 --> 01:02:01.159
<v Speaker 4>this is fucking boring. I want to do something.

1147
01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:03.199
<v Speaker 3>I want to play Sonic Adventure to Battle.

1148
01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:05.360
<v Speaker 4>Literally, bro. I want to go to Sonic three in

1149
01:02:05.400 --> 01:02:06.800
<v Speaker 4>the theaters with my homies.

1150
01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:09.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Like I want to role play as egg Man.

1151
01:02:11.280 --> 01:02:14.599
<v Speaker 4>Okay, all right, I'll role play with you. Okay, I'll

1152
01:02:14.599 --> 01:02:20.360
<v Speaker 4>be older grandpa boys. Yeah yeah, I'll be older Grandpa man. Yeah.

1153
01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:20.559
<v Speaker 2>Man.

1154
01:02:20.639 --> 01:02:23.519
<v Speaker 4>But like, yeah, it makes sense. It makes so much

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01:02:23.559 --> 01:02:28.800
<v Speaker 4>sense to me, Like the want, the desire for those

1156
01:02:28.840 --> 01:02:32.039
<v Speaker 4>different experiences and that like if I was that infinite

1157
01:02:32.119 --> 01:02:35.280
<v Speaker 4>ball of energy, I would want to experience everything possible

1158
01:02:35.639 --> 01:02:40.360
<v Speaker 4>by throwing myself into billions of different entities, right, you know,

1159
01:02:41.480 --> 01:02:43.880
<v Speaker 4>and having continuous different experience.

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01:02:44.000 --> 01:02:46.000
<v Speaker 3>It's almost like a paradox to think about from a

1161
01:02:46.039 --> 01:02:48.840
<v Speaker 3>human perspective, right, Like, you know, because then I think

1162
01:02:48.880 --> 01:02:50.039
<v Speaker 3>about this perfect being and I'm like.

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01:02:50.039 --> 01:02:52.480
<v Speaker 4>Why would you do this? Why would you do this?

1164
01:02:53.159 --> 01:02:55.519
<v Speaker 3>But then it's like, but I also kind of get

1165
01:02:55.519 --> 01:02:56.519
<v Speaker 3>it because it's like.

1166
01:02:56.559 --> 01:02:59.599
<v Speaker 4>Why not, right, It's like if you didn't do this,

1167
01:03:00.119 --> 01:03:04.320
<v Speaker 4>and just what nothing ever happens ever, and there's no

1168
01:03:04.480 --> 01:03:06.239
<v Speaker 4>purpose or point to anything.

1169
01:03:06.440 --> 01:03:08.800
<v Speaker 3>It's just kind of you know there.

1170
01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:13.679
<v Speaker 4>Yes, literally it's gray. It's nothing. It's more interesting this way,

1171
01:03:13.840 --> 01:03:18.760
<v Speaker 4>infinitely infinitely more interesting. Yeah, there's you know, like yeah,

1172
01:03:18.840 --> 01:03:22.400
<v Speaker 4>the gray, the in between everything no hot, no cold,

1173
01:03:22.440 --> 01:03:25.960
<v Speaker 4>no good, no bad, no nothing, no hungry, no full.

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01:03:26.079 --> 01:03:27.679
<v Speaker 3>It's it's above my pay grade.

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01:03:27.800 --> 01:03:31.360
<v Speaker 4>Think about when you're freaking hungry for twenty four hours,

1176
01:03:31.599 --> 01:03:34.039
<v Speaker 4>you do a twenty four hour fast, or let's just

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01:03:34.039 --> 01:03:35.519
<v Speaker 4>say you go a day and you don't get to

1178
01:03:35.559 --> 01:03:38.320
<v Speaker 4>eat for a long time. Yeah, when you freaking eat,

1179
01:03:39.039 --> 01:03:41.119
<v Speaker 4>it's like the best thing that's ever happened.

1180
01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:41.960
<v Speaker 3>It's kind of nice.

1181
01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:45.440
<v Speaker 4>Yes, it's like the best thing that's ever happened to you. Yeah,

1182
01:03:45.440 --> 01:03:49.440
<v Speaker 4>it's like the good stuff is infinitely better when you

1183
01:03:49.599 --> 01:03:53.880
<v Speaker 4>had to go through something difficult to get to it, right,

1184
01:03:54.400 --> 01:03:56.400
<v Speaker 4>it's infinitely more rewarding.

1185
01:03:56.679 --> 01:03:59.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's that's how I like to think it makes sense,

1186
01:04:00.079 --> 01:04:06.480
<v Speaker 3>like God being like, okay, I'm perfect, I'm omniscient whatever,

1187
01:04:06.719 --> 01:04:09.440
<v Speaker 3>But like what if I actually went down there and

1188
01:04:09.519 --> 01:04:10.920
<v Speaker 3>like tested myself.

1189
01:04:10.719 --> 01:04:11.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, saw what it was like.

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01:04:12.119 --> 01:04:15.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just like just to see, yeah, I'm back stronger.

1191
01:04:16.159 --> 01:04:16.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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01:04:17.199 --> 01:04:19.480
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. It's over my pay grade to understand it.

1193
01:04:19.400 --> 01:04:24.880
<v Speaker 1>But weird things happen in the backyard, lets house or shit,

1194
01:04:25.199 --> 01:04:33.639
<v Speaker 1>oh god, it's so weird.

1195
01:04:35.159 --> 01:04:44.239
<v Speaker 6>Coming clutter to like smirre ing on the inside of it.

1196
01:04:46.880 --> 01:04:47.559
<v Speaker 6>No one knows that.

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01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:54.519
<v Speaker 5>It's coming right over.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, sighed every happy
