Speaker 1: The weird things happened.
Speaker 2: In the back. Weird, weird, weird.
Speaker 3: Wow, we're running it. What episode is this? This is
Speaker 3: episode sixty six and sixty seven. One sixty six. Oh
Speaker 3: s the number of the beast.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well there's one sixty six. The number of the beast.
Speaker 3: Well, some people believe it was sixty one.
Speaker 4: Route sixty six. Oh yeah, that's the highway. That's where
Speaker 4: Lightning McQueen got lost.
Speaker 3: It's the highway to hell.
Speaker 4: Oh. You want to hear a funny story. When I
Speaker 4: was a kid, when I was like little my I mean,
Speaker 4: my dad's always been so into like classic rock. He
Speaker 4: loved ac DC. He would one one time he was
Speaker 4: playing that in the car real loud and he was
Speaker 4: singing it at the top of his lunch. I was
Speaker 4: crying in the back seat because I was like, my
Speaker 4: dad's going to hell. I was probably five, but I
Speaker 4: was like, no.
Speaker 3: My dad be playing Van Halen and it's like running
Speaker 3: with the Devil.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's my dad's like all time favorite band,
Speaker 4: Ben Halen. Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: I always knew there was something about him, your dad,
Speaker 3: I mean, oh, okay, because of the Van Halen thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're bonded over their love of Van Halen. Oh
Speaker 4: as are we.
Speaker 3: Well, dude, remember the first time I ever came to
Speaker 3: your house, I was like, can you play a eruption
Speaker 3: on guitar?
Speaker 4: And I that's what got me to play guitar.
Speaker 3: I've told that story, yeah, yeah, but still cool anyway. Yeah, So,
Speaker 3: speaking of the Highway of Hell, we wanted to do
Speaker 3: a series on the beginning and the end Genesis and Revelations.
Speaker 4: Yes, before we really get.
Speaker 3: Into that, I like to take these moments where we
Speaker 3: like reflect on those days of like reading these books.
Speaker 3: You know, it's like it's sort of nostalgic in a way.
Speaker 3: Like I remember being a kid and going to church
Speaker 3: and the thing that I would do the most was
Speaker 3: either read the Book of Revelations or read the Book
Speaker 3: of Genesis.
Speaker 4: Okay? Is that some kind of did did you do that? Alex?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 4: I feel like that's some kind of phenomenon.
Speaker 5: I don't think I really ever read the Bible Okay,
Speaker 5: outside of like in religious class in Catholic school.
Speaker 3: In all seriousness, like not joking here, to my understanding,
Speaker 3: that's not really like a thing in Catholicism.
Speaker 4: Just like picking it up, reading it. Yeah, gotcha.
Speaker 5: I mean I read the hell out of that hymn
Speaker 5: book because we had to sing probably four songs every
Speaker 5: every mass.
Speaker 4: And was it a good read? No?
Speaker 5: Okay, I mean I read the songs and I sang
Speaker 5: the verses because you had to.
Speaker 3: Weren't you one of the boys, the Backstreet boys? No,
Speaker 3: the altar boys?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: Actually I did not go to my training for that.
Speaker 5: Why not, dude, because my parents didn't make me.
Speaker 4: Probably could have got an end.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, you could have been in a position of power.
Speaker 3: I don't know a lot about ultimate That.
Speaker 4: Is the opposite of a position of power. You are
Speaker 4: in a position of being dominated.
Speaker 5: Stand there for like however long the priest acides, and
Speaker 5: hold the gospel in front of him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you pay your dues and you rise through
Speaker 3: the ranks.
Speaker 4: I don't think that's how it works. Yeah, man, you're
Speaker 4: like a little servant boy.
Speaker 3: Look at any pyramid power structure, right, you start on
Speaker 3: the bottom and then you're That's not now that works
Speaker 3: at all, not even a little bit.
Speaker 5: Well you mean a reverse funnel system. Okay, yeah, okay,
Speaker 5: I'm following you, just saying, man, opportunity missed. But yeah,
Speaker 5: I was always reading the Book of Revelations in the
Speaker 5: Book of Genesis. Same and if I if I wasn't
Speaker 5: doing that, then the rare times that And I'm talking
Speaker 5: like when I was young, you know, if I wasn't
Speaker 5: doing that, I was probably playing like POKEMONO Metroid. But
Speaker 5: then when I got busted it, I'd be, you know,
Speaker 5: reading the Book of my mom be like put that away, yeah,
Speaker 5: or my grandma or whatever.
Speaker 4: So you just hide the game boy inside the Bible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, especially when it was the sp And it's like,
Speaker 3: I don't think I ever actually did that. That's ingenius.
Speaker 3: I would have never figured that out as a kid.
Speaker 3: But yeah, very nostalgic. So let's let's start with revelations.
Speaker 3: It's natural that we would start with the beginning. You said,
Speaker 3: did I'm all crossed up.
Speaker 4: We all know the beginning is revelation. Yeah, Genesis, Genesis
Speaker 4: as other people would pronounce it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that that makes sense to me.
Speaker 4: I don't know who. I don't know who would pronounce
Speaker 4: it like that, but somebody out there pronounces it Genesis.
Speaker 4: And I'm just saying you're valid, and I hear you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's it's like if you think about it,
Speaker 3: it just rolls right off the tongue Genesis.
Speaker 4: And Alex's alreadyo We're four minutes in. Alex is done.
Speaker 3: It makes me envision like running off into the sunset.
Speaker 3: And I look over and I'm like, I love.
Speaker 4: You, Genesus.
Speaker 3: She looks at you and says, it's only the beginning.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, dude, I could see it. I could see
Speaker 3: the whole scenario play out right down to.
Speaker 4: The end, which is relations or revelation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, revelation. Okay, all right, He's like, dude, I've never
Speaker 3: read this book. Please tell me what happens. Okay, so
Speaker 3: let's let's go through. Like what happens in the Book
Speaker 3: of Genesis. It's the creation story. It's basically like it's
Speaker 3: believed to have been written by Moses, which now we
Speaker 3: know is probably not true. They think it was written
Speaker 3: somewhere around five or six hundred years uh BC, by
Speaker 3: like anonymous Jewish mystics. And it tells the story of
Speaker 3: like God creating the earth, and the story of the
Speaker 3: creating everything, Yeah, creating everything, the Garden of Eden, yes,
Speaker 3: and you know, the fall of Adam and even into
Speaker 3: I don't want to say my interpretation yet, but the
Speaker 3: expulsion from the Garden of Eden from Paradise.
Speaker 4: I got a question right off the bat, as an idiot,
Speaker 4: did the Garden of e didn't come after he made Earth?
Speaker 4: So yeah, okay, so the garden is on Earth because
Speaker 4: I'm thinking from like the the the Norse Mythology episode
Speaker 4: that we did, how like the like Eden's orchard is
Speaker 4: like a realm. It's not like on Earth. It was
Speaker 4: like a realm outside of Earth kind of thing. So
Speaker 4: I was like, is it kind of the same with
Speaker 4: the Garden of Eden, But well.
Speaker 3: I mean it might be, yeah, but according to the Bible,
Speaker 3: you know, it's it's like basically God creates the earth
Speaker 3: in six days. Very interesting account. There parallels to other stories,
Speaker 3: like you know, Hinduism per se, where they say that
Speaker 3: it's created through the Word and then on the seventh
Speaker 3: day he rested, right, and the story goes that Adam
Speaker 3: was created, they take the rib from Adam and then
Speaker 3: they create Eve. But this is sometime after like animals,
Speaker 3: like I think it was the birds of the sky
Speaker 3: and the sea creatures are created on like the fourth
Speaker 3: or fifth day or something like that. I don't know
Speaker 3: what exactly In my head because I'm going to focus
Speaker 3: on the esoteric version of it. And then Adam comes
Speaker 3: around and he's just kind of chilling by himself. He's lonely,
Speaker 3: and God's like, let me make.
Speaker 4: Him a companion, let me give him a check.
Speaker 3: And then he comes up with Eve. He makes her
Speaker 3: out of his rib and they're together, and then they
Speaker 3: obviously commit their crime, the expelled from the Garden of Eden.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's the first three chapters. By the way,
Speaker 4: that's that's all in the first three chapters. It's the
Speaker 4: first chapter is the creation. The second chapter is God
Speaker 4: creating Adam, giving him the garden, except the tree of
Speaker 4: good and evil. The tree of good and Evil is
Speaker 4: the one that he was like. God was like, you
Speaker 4: can't eat from that one though, Yeah, don't eat it.
Speaker 4: Do not eat that apple. And then yeah, evil's created.
Speaker 4: And the chapter three, No, chapter three is when the
Speaker 4: snake arrives. Yeah, the soy pen if you will.
Speaker 3: And none of the other animals talk.
Speaker 4: Yeah, just a snake. You sound bitter about that.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's just like none of the other
Speaker 3: animals can talk. And then one talks to you and
Speaker 3: you're like, yeah, I'll listen. To you.
Speaker 4: I would, Yeah, I would. I would too, especially if
Speaker 4: there was like a really shiny apple and you wanted
Speaker 4: it so bad and then that snake starts talking to
Speaker 4: you and it's like you can eat it, I'd be like, real,
Speaker 4: it's good. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And according to this version, the snake had like feet
Speaker 3: and he was walking around.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: Remember that's the punishment to the serpent is he removes
Speaker 3: his legs and his feet and he can't speak anymore,
Speaker 3: and he like.
Speaker 4: Has to talking lizard Komodo dragon.
Speaker 3: Well it says serpent, it does says to the.
Speaker 4: Lizard, it's like a dragon.
Speaker 3: I mean dragon episode, show me dragon. I mean technically
Speaker 3: it could be said to be a dragon, like you
Speaker 3: know the Great Dragon in Revelation.
Speaker 4: Yeah, whoa is that foreshadowing? It might be? Okay cool?
Speaker 4: What happened after that? Eve's son? Oh right, Eve's son.
Speaker 4: So they had a bunch of babies after they ate,
Speaker 4: because because the apple is an alex it's thought to
Speaker 4: be an allegory four sex.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, well yeah, the tree, the whole.
Speaker 4: Thing, Okay, gotcha. So then they had a bunch of
Speaker 4: babies and Eve's sons made offerings to the Lord. This
Speaker 4: is chapter four, Eve's sons made offerings to the Lord.
Speaker 4: Only Abels was acceptable, So Cain killed him his brother Kane.
Speaker 6: Damn.
Speaker 4: That's chapter four of Genesis.
Speaker 2: Hm.
Speaker 4: That's like probably freaking a bunch of years later.
Speaker 3: You know, when Caine kills his brother and then God
Speaker 3: like puts a mark on his head and it's like
Speaker 3: this curse mark and he says that, Uh, basically, you're
Speaker 3: cursed of Rome. Through this land with like giants and
Speaker 3: all these horrific beasts. You can't touch them. And it's
Speaker 3: it's something like anything that you do will be raw
Speaker 3: on you sevenfold. It will be avenged sevenfold. Oh, that's
Speaker 3: where avenged sevenfold comes from, dumn. That's crazy, he is it?
Speaker 3: Is there a tenfold reference.
Speaker 4: In the Bible?
Speaker 3: Is like, I will reward you tenfold?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, job, Yeah, I'm pretty sure because there was
Speaker 5: this boat, I think, and this yacht in the name
Speaker 5: of the yacht was tenfold, And I've always liked that
Speaker 5: because I was pretty sure it was Bible reference.
Speaker 4: That's a cool name for a boat, tenfold.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I like that.
Speaker 4: There's some names for boats out there. How often do
Speaker 4: you see terrible names for boats in your in your
Speaker 4: line of work a lot.
Speaker 3: Every day I take pictures of the girl. I've seen
Speaker 3: some cool names, really, uh huh, don't put me on
Speaker 3: the spot. That's I've seen some cool names. I've seen
Speaker 3: some names.
Speaker 5: I'm just like they fall into categories. There's like hardcore
Speaker 5: names like that's intimidating, Like there's a fishing boat called gladiator,
Speaker 5: Like that's just sick. And then there's like the punny
Speaker 5: stuff like uh like CEO it would be se a
Speaker 5: like right.
Speaker 4: Or.
Speaker 3: I don't want to put anybody on blast.
Speaker 5: Out here but them.
Speaker 3: Then then there's just like the.
Speaker 5: Ones that are like heartfelt and like they name them
Speaker 5: after a pet or their or their daughter, their beautiful bride.
Speaker 5: Uh like a lot of daughter names that kind of thing.
Speaker 5: And then there's just ones that are just like what
Speaker 5: in the world are you thinking.
Speaker 3: Garfield scar Like that would be funny, Like that's good
Speaker 3: in my book, that's good, I get it, ha ha, Right,
Speaker 3: But I don't know some battles, Yeah, I don't know, man.
Speaker 3: I think it's like it's almost I don't know if
Speaker 3: I should say this because people might crucify me, like
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 4: Who, that's a different book of the Bible.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's all been there, man. But I feel
Speaker 3: like it's almost like try hard to be like the Gladiator,
Speaker 3: you know, like come on, okay.
Speaker 5: But here's how I think about it, right. Imagine, so
Speaker 5: you're imagine you're sinking and you're putting in a may
Speaker 5: Day call.
Speaker 4: That's may Day, may Day.
Speaker 3: This is ceo.
Speaker 4: No, No, that's worse for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah no, but like may Day Gladiator going down, Like
Speaker 5: I'm going to help that guy's the s s play
Speaker 5: de lasagna.
Speaker 4: Realistically, if I had like a boat, I would name
Speaker 4: it after some video game character or something. The ss
Speaker 4: freaking well Viva pinata. Yeah, that'd be a good one.
Speaker 5: There's a there's there's another fishing boat and rids full.
Speaker 5: I think it's a cool name. It's just called horse.
Speaker 4: Like I kind of love that.
Speaker 3: It's awesome. It's just it's a beautiful boat, and it's
Speaker 3: it's not the horses, it's just hor Yeah.
Speaker 4: I kind of love that's like that. If you had one,
Speaker 4: it would be called pig pigs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'd be pigsy or pig yeah yeah. Or hog.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna name mine after my dog ss Hog. The
Speaker 5: boat the boat that I retire on and travel the
Speaker 5: east coast on. I'm gonna name it after my dog Ad.
Speaker 5: We've already talked about it.
Speaker 3: Wow, now that'll be romantic, man. And we'll sell together,
Speaker 3: and we can take Nick with us and he can
Speaker 3: be I didn't say captor or captain captain. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: you'll pilot the ship so that we can be freed
Speaker 3: for other activities.
Speaker 4: You guys ad many youths in this situation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to start a new like it's like
Speaker 3: the Titanic. Oh, my, you's standing up on the front.
Speaker 3: I should I shouldn't have told you.
Speaker 4: On the SS hog Damn dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, the SS forbidden fruit. Oh I like that,
Speaker 3: the SS apple.
Speaker 4: But then y'all's dinghy will be named hog.
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, that's that's that's a good point, man,
Speaker 3: because God made the hogs in the Book of Genesis.
Speaker 5: I remembered one. Y'all tell me if you like this
Speaker 5: one or not. The boat was called Someday came that
Speaker 5: like everybody's like, I'll get one someday. The boat's name
Speaker 5: was Someday came.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know about it's a second word that
Speaker 3: throws me off A little bit like I love it,
Speaker 3: But what do you guys think? Actually, no, I agree, Like.
Speaker 4: No, no, I don't.
Speaker 5: I didn't express my opinion. Oh you don't think it's
Speaker 5: really I could have the name man.
Speaker 4: I could have.
Speaker 3: So what happens next?
Speaker 4: Oh? What happens next? Okay? Chapter five is just describing
Speaker 4: Adam's line his like lineage seth Enosh Keenan, Mahalalel Jared Enoch,
Speaker 4: Methusa lah blah blah blah blah blah. It just goes
Speaker 4: into all of his sons and stuff. Then chapter six,
Speaker 4: human kind corrupted the earth with evil freaking already.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like we suck like Noah, like the story of Noah. Right, yeah,
Speaker 3: we should be around it. I've decided to destroy them
Speaker 3: hate me because I have free will.
Speaker 4: Bro Dude, Noah had a boat, he did. Do you
Speaker 4: have a name of it? Just two for why when?
Speaker 3: Because two of every.
Speaker 4: Man? It's just called the arc?
Speaker 3: Yeah great.
Speaker 4: You know what's funny.
Speaker 3: My grandma's ninety years old, and you know, travel is
Speaker 3: getting to be like if you want to go somewhere,
Speaker 3: let's go somewhere. And she told me all these years,
Speaker 3: I've never been in the grand canyon. You want to go.
Speaker 3: I was like, I'll go with you. I'll go with you.
Speaker 3: She and now her last like final destination she wants
Speaker 3: to see. She wants to go to Kentucky to see
Speaker 3: the arc.
Speaker 4: Kentucky to see the arc. It's like a like a model. Yeah,
Speaker 4: thing is it like life size?
Speaker 3: Like yeah, what they're built on a life size?
Speaker 4: Isn't like the proportions and everything, like I'm not sure,
Speaker 4: but it's's crazy.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like a display. But I was like,
Speaker 3: you buy me a ticket, I'll go with you. How
Speaker 3: many how much? How much boat do you need to
Speaker 3: put every animale? It's a big boat.
Speaker 4: Man, I mean it would have to be a freaking
Speaker 4: huge boat anyway. Chapter seven, Noah and his family go
Speaker 4: into the arc with two of each creature. It rained
Speaker 4: for forty days and forty nights, and the earth was
Speaker 4: covered in water flooded it all. Chapter eight. The flood abated,
Speaker 4: Noah sent out a raven and two doves. He sent
Speaker 4: it out ravens. I never knew.
Speaker 3: He's four hundred and forty ft long according to Google.
Speaker 4: Interesting are you saying it would have to be that
Speaker 4: big to hold.
Speaker 5: The structure of the arc and the chronology of the flood.
Speaker 5: The arc has to be three hundred cubits by fifty
Speaker 5: cubits by thirty cubits, which approximately means four hundred and
Speaker 5: forty feet in length. A big freaking I want to
Speaker 5: look up with the icon of the seas is that's
Speaker 5: the biggest boat in existence right now.
Speaker 3: I think I thought it was a Titanic.
Speaker 4: That that doesn't exist right now. It doesn't exist.
Speaker 3: Supposed to be the biggest ship that ever sailed.
Speaker 5: But if you got a little, uh little Xbox remote,
Speaker 5: you can go down and see it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true, that's true. That is true.
Speaker 3: So they got they got the boat. He sent out
Speaker 3: the ravens, he sent the doves.
Speaker 4: The flood abated. This is chapter eight. The flood abated.
Speaker 4: No sent out a raven, two doves. When the earth
Speaker 4: was dry, God called them all out of the ark.
Speaker 4: Noah built an altar cool. So freaking Noah and his
Speaker 4: people and all the animals survived. Everybody else freaking died.
Speaker 4: So they got to repopulate the earth again. Just know
Speaker 4: and his chick You know who.
Speaker 3: They are, right? Who isn't very well known. But from
Speaker 3: what I read as an adult and understood this a
Speaker 3: little differently. His daughter's got him drunk and seduced him.
Speaker 4: No, whoa, whoa, whoa what? No?
Speaker 3: Unless I just made it up? Okay, wait wait, I
Speaker 3: was looking at what did you just say?
Speaker 4: Who? He said? Noah's daughters seduced him to repopulate the earth.
Speaker 3: They're in a mission from God. I need I need
Speaker 3: to verify that, Okay.
Speaker 5: I also wanted you to know that the longest ship
Speaker 5: that exists right now is the Sea Wise Giant, and
Speaker 5: it's fifteen hundred feet long.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: The icon of the seas is like eleven hundred and change,
Speaker 5: which is a cruise ship.
Speaker 3: Hang on, that's did know us?
Speaker 4: Did Noah repopulate earth with his daughters? I gotta look
Speaker 4: at us. It's pretty wild. It was on the movie.
Speaker 4: But also, look, you gotta think about it. I was
Speaker 4: actually gonna say this like freaking Adam and Eve, like
Speaker 4: their kids had to you know what I'm saying. There
Speaker 4: was definitely some targarian type shit going on.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, there was like two people, right, so
Speaker 3: they had to figure something.
Speaker 4: But then I never really put it together that that
Speaker 4: happened twice.
Speaker 5: Are you getting this confused with a lot. I might
Speaker 5: be this is saying, yeah, I'm looking it up and sane,
Speaker 5: but that's not making me feel better.
Speaker 4: Okay, well I need to know how Noah repopulated his
Speaker 4: I'm assuming his wife was with him, and then that's
Speaker 4: just that's crazy. I always think about Adam and Eved.
Speaker 4: All their children had to make babies together. This was creepy.
Speaker 4: It happened twice in Genesis. I never considered that when
Speaker 4: the flood happened, Noah had to do it too. So anyway,
Speaker 4: then almost had episode nine.
Speaker 3: Well, in the Bible it doesn't say really, and God
Speaker 3: blessed Noah and his sons and said, unto them, be
Speaker 3: fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth. Multiply with God
Speaker 3: does not go into details.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, they were I guess he just laid
Speaker 4: a bunch of eggs. Then they were. They just started
Speaker 4: laying eggs or something. Okay. Chapter nine, God blessed Noah
Speaker 4: and set the rainbow as a sign where he would
Speaker 4: never flood the earth again.
Speaker 3: His son, his son's head wives.
Speaker 4: Where did they come from?
Speaker 3: I must have gotten that confused with another story, because
Speaker 3: there is a story where they.
Speaker 4: Get him drunk.
Speaker 3: They find him drunk and he's laying naked. But I
Speaker 3: don't think he repopulated with his daughters.
Speaker 4: Well that's I think that's good. I think that's ultimately
Speaker 4: a win, absolutely, But that that didn't happen.
Speaker 3: It says Noah began to be a man of the soil,
Speaker 3: and he planted a vineyard. He drank of the wine
Speaker 3: and became drunk and lay uncovered in his tent. And
Speaker 3: Ham a pig Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the
Speaker 3: nakedness of his father, and told his two brothers outside.
Speaker 3: Then Shim and Jeth took a garment, laid it on
Speaker 3: both their shoulders, and walk backward and covered the nakedness
Speaker 3: of their father. Their faces were turned backward, and they
Speaker 3: did not see their father's nakedness. When Noah woke from
Speaker 3: his wine and knew what his youngest son had done
Speaker 3: to him, he said, Chris to be Kanan, a servant
Speaker 3: of servants, shall be to his brothers. He also said,
Speaker 3: blessed be the Lord, the god of Shim, and let
Speaker 3: Kanan be a servant. May God in large Jfeth, and
Speaker 3: let him do all the tentsive Shim, and let Kanan
Speaker 3: be a servant. Then he lived for another fifty three
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty years God and peaced out. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I must have gotten confused with the population part, so
Speaker 3: my bad.
Speaker 4: Yeah, bro, his sons wouldn't even look at him naked.
Speaker 4: They turned their heads around.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I somehow got that the opposite.
Speaker 4: And then his daughter's were just like, ooh dad, okay, no, let's.
Speaker 3: Not Yeah, I sworry. I read that the other day
Speaker 3: and I was like, oh, that's interesting.
Speaker 4: But you know that is what you just were talking about,
Speaker 4: was chapter nine going into ten or actually Noah got
Speaker 4: drunk and cursed Ham's son Kanaan. That's in chapter nine,
Speaker 4: chapter ten. Jeffif j fifth, how do if I don't know? Fifth?
Speaker 4: Jef fifth almost go with that. Jeffeth's line lived in
Speaker 4: the coast lands. Hams included Nimrod and the Canaanites. You're
Speaker 4: just saying Shim's lived in the east. These formed the nations. Uh.
Speaker 4: And then eleven, chapter eleven, it starts getting Craig Cray.
Speaker 4: They began, what what alex as if it wasn't I mean, yes, yeah,
Speaker 4: you're right, we're ten. We're ten chapters in and like
Speaker 4: the Earth's been flooded. There's a snake with feet. There's
Speaker 4: a bunch of weird stuff going on. Chapter eleven, they
Speaker 4: start building the Great Tower, but the Lord confused their language.
Speaker 4: We're talking about the Tower of God, right, not Tower God.
Speaker 4: That's an anime. Shim's line included Abram who married SARAHI
Speaker 4: that's Abraham, it is, Yeah, why is it spelled Abram.
Speaker 3: Because it's different when he basically leaves Babylon and goes
Speaker 3: to Israel and like forms his covenant with God.
Speaker 4: Hold up, So this dude had a son named Abram
Speaker 4: and a son named Ham, and then he just Abraham.
Speaker 4: Wait did Abram eat Ham? And he absorbed his power
Speaker 4: or something? I don't know, and that's how he became Ara.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's how it goes. I think there's
Speaker 3: probably a little story in there that tells us how
Speaker 3: that happens. But I'll be yeah, okay, you want to
Speaker 3: know something funny the tracks on those lines.
Speaker 6: But my.
Speaker 5: Grandmother on my dad's side, so my dad's mom's maiden
Speaker 5: name was Camp, dad's middle name is Camp. His mom's
Speaker 5: name was Anne, so her name was Camp Anne or
Speaker 5: Anne Camp. Right, and then he marries my mom and
Speaker 5: my mom's maiden name is Campana.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 5: So now that's my middle name.
Speaker 4: Somebody ate somebody.
Speaker 5: That's exactly what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I was picking that up.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, if the shoe fits. If in your
Speaker 3: world it's cannibal is it's the only thing that makes
Speaker 3: which We do not condone. No, we do not, no,
Speaker 3: we do con damn it, we don't condone.
Speaker 4: How does this happen every time condone condom?
Speaker 3: It's tricky.
Speaker 4: Okay, you're right, it's tricky to all right. Chapter twelve,
Speaker 4: God told Abram, go I will make you a great nation.
Speaker 4: You will be a blessing and an Egypt. Abram lied
Speaker 4: about Sarah and Pharaoh was cursed. Damn trifling, dude.
Speaker 3: You know what's a fun fact. And the Book of
Speaker 3: Genesis the word eloheim has said thirty three times.
Speaker 4: No way, that's nutty. I don't even ever remember reading
Speaker 4: the word elohem from the Bible.
Speaker 3: Well, of course, because you were reading the King James
Speaker 3: version and it just said the word God. But when
Speaker 3: it was written like thousands of years ago, it said elohem.
Speaker 4: Does it never say eloheim once in the King James,
Speaker 4: King James version.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if it does. I mean, it's been
Speaker 3: a long time since I was sitting around reading King
Speaker 3: James Bibles.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but Eloheim was like the original it's either Hebrew
Speaker 3: or Aramaic, like that was their word for God.
Speaker 4: He correct me if I'm wrong. But Elohem is a
Speaker 4: plural word, isn't it? Yeah? Which is like thought? Is
Speaker 4: it thought to reference like God and his counsel of.
Speaker 3: Depends on your point of view. If you ask some
Speaker 3: religious scholars, like you know, what I was learning in college,
Speaker 3: they would say, well, it's because if you think about
Speaker 3: it like this, back in the days of kings and queens,
Speaker 3: when you addressed royals, they had a different way to
Speaker 3: say it. So they would say, you know, like like
Speaker 3: it's an honorific They would say that the plural is
Speaker 3: like because it's God, it's royal. But then if you
Speaker 3: look at the esoteric view, it's like, come on, dude,
Speaker 3: it's it's male and female, it's plural, it's multitudes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's okay, Okay, I like that.
Speaker 3: So people like come up with this idea to try
Speaker 3: to justify it being this one father God.
Speaker 4: But yeah, that's cool, Okay, Chapter thirteen, Abram journeyed with
Speaker 4: his nephew Lot. There we go Lot. Their servants argued,
Speaker 4: so a Lot went to Sodom, Abram to Canaan. The
Speaker 4: lord promised Abram the land. Chapter fourteen, the kings went
Speaker 4: to war and took Lot captive. Abram rescued Lot. Malcheese
Speaker 4: a deck blessed Abram, and Abram gave him a tenth
Speaker 4: of everything he owned.
Speaker 3: Interesting, who's mel cheese a deck? So mel Cheese a
Speaker 3: deck is It's a very interesting figure in the esoteric
Speaker 3: you know, studies or whatever you want to call it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like the wisdom traditions, you could say, Melcheesadek is considered
Speaker 3: to be like a grand priest of an initiatory society.
Speaker 3: And like there's even scriptures and the New Testament that
Speaker 3: say that Jesus. I'm gonna find it because I don't
Speaker 3: want to misquote it like I did the Noah story.
Speaker 3: I want to actually read it. But there is a
Speaker 3: story where Jesus is being crowned as a high priest
Speaker 3: like the Order of melchees Adek, which is.
Speaker 4: The Order of Melcheese a dik okay. So we're thinking
Speaker 4: this is like a priest guy. Yes, he has a
Speaker 4: name that sounds like a vampire.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it actually means something along the lines of
Speaker 3: Jupiter like Zedek was like a ancient name to say,
Speaker 3: Jupiter whoa an ancient.
Speaker 4: Like like a Hebrew thing or oh what.
Speaker 3: Hebrews seven thirteen seventeen. Jesus is considered a priest in
Speaker 3: the order of melchies A dec whoa. So the point
Speaker 3: there is there was you know, realistically, if we're looking
Speaker 3: at the actual historical roots of the Bible, there was
Speaker 3: a few hundred years there between these texts. But if
Speaker 3: you think about it in terms of like the Church
Speaker 3: biblical canon, we're talking that, you know, they believed Genesis
Speaker 3: was written thousands and thousands of years before Christ. But
Speaker 3: the idea here is that Melchesadek existed way before Jesus
Speaker 3: and for bare minimum, you know, five hundred or so years.
Speaker 3: This was a name that carried significance that they passed
Speaker 3: on through their tradition as this you know, grand priest
Speaker 3: that they said, you know, Jesus is like mel Jesudec,
Speaker 3: He's like the priest.
Speaker 4: Then it was like kind of like a title. Yeah
Speaker 4: that was passed down. Yeah, Okay, cool, all right. Chapter fifteen,
Speaker 4: The Lord promised Abram and Air and many descendants. Abram
Speaker 4: believed he was told that they would be enslaved, but
Speaker 4: that they would return. Okay, that's already wild. God's like,
Speaker 4: you're definitely gonna have a bunch of sons and heirs,
Speaker 4: but they're going to be slaves for sure, but don't worry,
Speaker 4: they'll come back as if that's like comforting, right, okay.
Speaker 4: Sixteen Sir I told Abraham to have children with Hagar,
Speaker 4: Sammy Hagar bro we were we were just talking about
Speaker 4: you running with the devil did well. That was David
Speaker 4: Lee Roth. Oh, it's okay, that's just that's funny. Hey,
Speaker 4: Hagar Hagar conceived then ran don't keep it together, Alex
Speaker 4: Hagar can conceived then ran away. That's wild, like immediately okay,
Speaker 4: but an angel sent her back. Hagar's son was Ishmael.
Speaker 3: There's an interesting theory there too, tell me it. So
Speaker 3: let me get this straight. You just said that Ishmael
Speaker 3: was Sarah's son, who was Abraham's wife, but she couldn't conceive, right, right,
Speaker 3: So it's Sarah's son, but not Abraham's, right, So he's
Speaker 3: his bastard yes, right, eventually spoiler he's gonna have a son.
Speaker 3: When when Sarah's like ninety something years olah.
Speaker 4: Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: it's the the Ishmael is the son of abram Oh.
Speaker 3: With another woman and right right, I had it backwards.
Speaker 4: Hagar woman, because you picture.
Speaker 3: That beautiful Okay, So I got a backwards So Sarah
Speaker 3: couldn't have a baby. So he had a baby with
Speaker 3: another one. It's his bastard, right yeah. And then eventually
Speaker 3: spoiler God comes to Sarah. He's like, hey, it's gonna
Speaker 3: be a miracle, even though you're ninety something years old,
Speaker 3: You're gonna have a baby. And they do and it's Isaac.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 3: So some traditions say that Ishmael, the bastard son of
Speaker 3: Abraham is like the lineage of Islam, right, yes, where
Speaker 3: Isaac is, you know, the lineage of which is So
Speaker 3: it's just something I always heard in church growing up,
Speaker 3: you know, and it's like, wow, that's really fascinating.
Speaker 4: Yeah. But there's even like, you know, when they do
Speaker 4: like the movie and TV show versions of the Bible stories,
Speaker 4: they always show that isn't isn't and that story isn't
Speaker 4: like the baby in the basket and it goes down
Speaker 4: the little stream and like whatt Moses? Oh wait wait,
Speaker 4: so it wasn't Moses supposed to be the the No, okay,
Speaker 4: well I'm just wrong. That's okay.
Speaker 3: Moses comes later chapter seven. I know what you're talking about. Though,
Speaker 3: I've seen baby in a basketball. That's Moses, the Prince
Speaker 3: of Egypt.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: That is a good movie.
Speaker 4: The was that Disney?
Speaker 3: I think it was.
Speaker 4: That's a good one. I haven't seen it forever though.
Speaker 4: So what you just described was chapter seventeen, So we'll
Speaker 4: just skip over that one. Chapter eighteen three. Visitors came
Speaker 4: and said that Sarah would have a son next year.
Speaker 4: Sodom was very evil. Abram Abraham. Okay, so he's become Abraham.
Speaker 3: Now he's transformed. He transformed.
Speaker 4: Do you have any information for me about Abraham transforming?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's told to sacrifice his son and he's like, okay,
Speaker 3: I guess I'll do it.
Speaker 4: Oh that's that story.
Speaker 3: No, that's not why he gets the name. He gets
Speaker 3: the name. I think it's because he makes the covenant
Speaker 3: with God. He leaves to a new land and it's like,
Speaker 3: all right, your name will be Abraham, and it's it's.
Speaker 4: Like, oh, you're right, you're right, you're right. Chapter seventeen
Speaker 4: I just skipped it because you read most of it
Speaker 4: or you quoted most of it. But chapter seventeen God
Speaker 4: made a covenant with Abram and renamed him Abraham.
Speaker 3: If you read like the actual story, Abram comes from
Speaker 3: the land of Earth, which is Babylon. He was a
Speaker 3: Babylonian dude, damn. And he's probably been exposed to all
Speaker 3: these other Babylonian deities, you know, and he he comes
Speaker 3: around and he's like, uh, starts you know the Judaic system. Yeah, basically,
Speaker 3: but it's it's interesting, like he was in Babylon.
Speaker 4: Wow, just a little fun fact. That is a fun
Speaker 4: that's fun. God also renamed Sarah. Sarah promised them a son.
Speaker 4: The men were circumcised. Yeah, it's the covenant right right,
Speaker 4: all right, So three visitors came said that It's like,
Speaker 4: immediately I thought that was like a sound effect that
Speaker 4: you play.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was that was pretty visceral.
Speaker 4: It was okay. Abraham pleaded with the Lord for the city.
Speaker 4: He prayed over the city of Sodom. Chapter nineteen. Angels
Speaker 4: took a lot out of Sodom. The city was destroyed
Speaker 4: by fire, and Lot's wife was turned to salt. His
Speaker 4: daughters had children for.
Speaker 3: Him, which is like that's it, Yeah, that's it, okay, right,
Speaker 3: which is like I got, I knew, I got a
Speaker 3: Genesis story confused somewhere with having children with his daughter. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but I was right about the Noah being drunk thing
Speaker 3: I got. I'm confused. But anyway, so that story with Lot, right,
Speaker 3: they go back and they're like, don't look back. A
Speaker 3: Lot is like trying to take them out of you know, Sodom,
Speaker 3: and the angels are like, don't look back or you
Speaker 3: know you're gonna regret it, and he looks back and
Speaker 3: they turn into a pillar of salt.
Speaker 4: Right. Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: Like Orpheus, Orpheus goes into the underworld to save his
Speaker 3: wife and Hades is like, you can take her out
Speaker 3: of the underworld, but if you look back, she's she's
Speaker 3: gonna stay forever. And he's traveling to get out of
Speaker 3: the underworld, and then he looks back to see if
Speaker 3: she's still with him, and she's trapped there forever.
Speaker 6: Yo.
Speaker 4: That's a crazy parallel. That is a really crazy parallel.
Speaker 4: I love that okay uh. Chapter twenty in Jarrar, Abraham said,
Speaker 4: Sarah is my sister. King Abimelech took her, but God
Speaker 4: warned him in a dream. He restored Sarah to Abraham.
Speaker 4: Twenty one, As promised, Sarah had a son, Isaac. She
Speaker 4: had Hagar and Ishmael sent away, but God preserved them.
Speaker 4: Abraham and Abemelek made a treaty. Chapter twenty two. God
Speaker 4: told Abraham to sacrifice Isaac here we go. As Abraham obeyed,
Speaker 4: an angel stopped him. The Lord provided a ram instead
Speaker 4: and blessed Abraham. So everybody knows that story. Everybody talks
Speaker 4: about it all the time. Right, freaking God's like, kill
Speaker 4: your son. Abraham was like all right, Like, God's like,
Speaker 4: I'm just kidding, dude, what the hell's wrong with you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're worthy.
Speaker 4: You were seriously about to kill your So I'm just joking.
Speaker 4: I'm joking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great story though.
Speaker 4: It is. It is. It's about faith. It's like, you know,
Speaker 4: it's a powerful story about faith. It's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but oh no, no, no, I definitely wouldn't do it.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't do it.
Speaker 4: I'm good, but thanks though. Chapter twenty three, Sarah died
Speaker 4: in Kyriath Arba. Abraham asked the Hittites for a burial site.
Speaker 4: He bought a cave from Ephron and buried Sarah there.
Speaker 4: All Ip Sarah, I know, right first of her name first? Yeah,
Speaker 4: literally probably literally, we're talking about the Bible here. Genesis
Speaker 4: chapter twenty four. Abraham's servant went to neahor ney Or
Speaker 4: to find a wife for Isaac. He met Rebecca by
Speaker 4: the well. She went back with him and married Isaac. Damn,
Speaker 4: we're moving on quick.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of drama.
Speaker 4: It's crazy. It is crazy, straight up, like a soap opera.
Speaker 3: Yeah, freaking first dated the world and then they're hitched. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Chapter twenty five Abraham game he does, I mean ship dude,
Speaker 4: like one of the only guys on the planet.
Speaker 3: They probably got a couple thousand or something.
Speaker 4: At this point, probably probably, but he's like so super old.
Speaker 4: Abraham died and was buried with Sarah. Isaac and Rebecca
Speaker 4: had twins, Soul and Jacob. Wow, dude, how are you
Speaker 4: How the hell are you going to do that to
Speaker 4: one kid? Well, I mean you're gonna name one kid Jacob,
Speaker 4: and then the other kid seesaw.
Speaker 3: Like like is this Jacob's ladder.
Speaker 4: That is, yes, Jacobs, that kid hated his life.
Speaker 3: What's the kid?
Speaker 4: What's the kid?
Speaker 5: They had all the jacket of many colors, the jacket
Speaker 5: of many colors. Yeah, the cloak of many colors.
Speaker 4: Harry Potter, dude, you couldn't even get that out.
Speaker 3: Harry Potter, dude, I think it's lost on me. Isn't
Speaker 3: it a parable in the New Testament?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I'll look at it.
Speaker 3: I'm not familiar with that story, to be honest me neither.
Speaker 5: Clearly.
Speaker 4: I'll look at up.
Speaker 3: The kid with a jacket of mini colors.
Speaker 4: That is kind of like Harry Potter. If you would
Speaker 4: read Harry Potter, you'd be familiar with it. Chapter twenty
Speaker 4: six and gerar Isaac lied about Rebecca. He grew so
Speaker 4: rich that abem Alex sent him away. What the hater?
Speaker 4: What a hater?
Speaker 3: I know, man, they're always like making.
Speaker 4: Sammy haydar Damn dude, you hating him because he's up? Now?
Speaker 4: Like what that's whack? It is, man, that's a whack.
Speaker 4: That's not a real home.
Speaker 3: That's jealousy.
Speaker 4: That's jealousy exactly, He dug wells, what's up with all
Speaker 4: these wales, he dug wells.
Speaker 3: How do you think they got watered?
Speaker 4: Dude? Oh yeah, that's probably true. He dug wells. And
Speaker 4: at beer shep Beer Sheba, the Lord blessed him. What's
Speaker 4: beer Sheba.
Speaker 3: It's a maiden. It's a woman at beer Sebba, the
Speaker 3: Lord blessed him. Oh, I'm thinking about Yeah, this is
Speaker 3: beer Chevy beer s h e b a.
Speaker 4: You know who is huh?
Speaker 3: You know who bath is? Bathsheba was this uh, this
Speaker 3: naked maiden who was in her bathtub on the roof
Speaker 3: of her house.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: And King David Caesar and he's like yeah, and he
Speaker 3: finds out that her husband is a general in his army.
Speaker 3: So you know what he does. He sends him to
Speaker 3: fight on the front lines and die.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's right. I remember that, just so
Speaker 4: he can get with her. Yeah, he wants to get
Speaker 4: up in that bath.
Speaker 3: Yeah, with bath Sheba.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. So I wonder if this is.
Speaker 3: Saying that, uh, for Sheba is the Beer Sheba. Southernmost
Speaker 3: city in the territory is settled by the Israelites.
Speaker 4: Okay, cool, all right? Twenty seven Rebecca and Jacob tricked
Speaker 4: Isaac into giving Jacob his blessing. Sea saw Esal vowed revenge,
Speaker 4: so Rebecca told Jacob to go to her brother Lebon. Dude,
Speaker 4: the drama, Oh my god.
Speaker 3: It should be Jacob's Ladder coming up.
Speaker 4: At twenty eight, Isaac sent Jacob to marry one of
Speaker 4: Lebon's daughters. On the way, Jacob dreamed of a ladder
Speaker 4: reaching to heaven.
Speaker 3: Which is esoterically the path of initiation. This is something
Speaker 3: I want to get into because I'm pretty sure we're
Speaker 3: nearing the end of Genesis here.
Speaker 4: We got like twenty more chapters. But oh it's okay,
Speaker 4: Well we don't have to know, No, we don't want
Speaker 4: we don't.
Speaker 3: But we did the tower babble, we did Jacob's Ladder,
Speaker 3: we did.
Speaker 4: The creation story, we did the creation story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I'm going to focus heavily on the creation story.
Speaker 3: But what I wanted to talk about, the reason we discussed, like,
Speaker 3: let's talk about Genesis and Revelation was the idea that
Speaker 3: some of these texts might have dual meanings. Right, Yes,
Speaker 3: some of them might have esoteric meanings.
Speaker 4: We've already pointed out a couple.
Speaker 3: Right, But if you look towards like the Rosicrucians, or
Speaker 3: the Freemasons, or Theosophy, Anthroposophy, a lot of these other
Speaker 3: secret traditions throughout the past have said that there are
Speaker 3: secret meanings behind these stories, right, just for the listener's sake,
Speaker 3: for those who might not be aware. And it's believed
Speaker 3: that Jacob's Ladder is an allegory about the ascension and
Speaker 3: the awakening of consciousness, right because he sees this vision,
Speaker 3: he sees this ladder. How many rungs are on the ladder?
Speaker 4: It doesn't say in my notes.
Speaker 3: Look it up?
Speaker 4: Is it thirty three?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 4: Can you confirm it that thirty three wouldn't be very high?
Speaker 4: I know, is it like eleven thirty three?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know either. But my first thought when
Speaker 4: you mentioned that it's like an allegory, it is also
Speaker 4: like the Chakras, the Chalkras quite.
Speaker 3: Great climb climbing up the Kundalini the spine, you know,
Speaker 3: the Kundalini energy climbing the spine through ascension. I don't
Speaker 3: know that it actually says how many rungs there are
Speaker 3: on the ladder, but that would be interesting if they
Speaker 3: were like there's thirty three.
Speaker 4: Oh, I thought you were asking like you knew the answer.
Speaker 3: No, I don't.
Speaker 4: Octually gotcha?
Speaker 3: Does it say I'm seeing mostly seven? And then this?
Speaker 3: And then Wikipedia is saying that many details are added
Speaker 3: to the Genesis narrative.
Speaker 5: The letter is made of twelve steps.
Speaker 3: Either way, I mean seven and twelve or mystical isn't Yeah,
Speaker 3: And then this is saying and on each step there
Speaker 3: are two human forms. Seven and twelve are numbers. We're
Speaker 3: going to find a lot in Revelation yep. And in
Speaker 3: the Book of Genesis, actually there are different I think
Speaker 3: it's like this is something I learned in college and
Speaker 3: Alex you should look this up. But I think it's
Speaker 3: like the number seven is literally encoded in the Book
Speaker 3: of Genesis, like the way that they wrote the actual alphabet,
Speaker 3: like you know, the Aramaic that the letters it was mathematical.
Speaker 3: They have all this jamatrius stuff, right, you know what
Speaker 3: jamatria is. It's like if you take the Greek alphabet
Speaker 3: or the Hebrew alphabet and you assign numeric values to
Speaker 3: the letters. So now words have a numeric value in
Speaker 3: these languages. Cool, which is like something we'll talk about later.
Speaker 3: With Emperor Nero being six sixty six. So it's like,
Speaker 3: for example, Elohem being in Genesis thirty three times, or
Speaker 3: at least in the Creation story, a lot of numerology, right,
Speaker 3: And in the Creation story when it's talking about, you know,
Speaker 3: the first seven days, it's like, God, I wish I
Speaker 3: could remember, but it's like the number seven constantly repeats
Speaker 3: in the actual composition of the story. It's crazy.
Speaker 4: But like the math of the words, yes.
Speaker 3: The actual math of the words. It's not that they like,
Speaker 3: say the number seven, but it's like if you know
Speaker 3: your stuff and you look at the numbers, the numerology
Speaker 3: of the words, it's like coded into it.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: But you know, the idea is that it was mystics
Speaker 3: who wrote these stories, that maybe it was while they
Speaker 3: were in captivity in Babylon. Yeah, you know, I'm not
Speaker 3: so sure, but we have this ancient Kabalistic tradition kabbala, right,
Speaker 3: so there was this secret initiatory judae tradition that you know,
Speaker 3: some people argue that maybe they were responsible for writing
Speaker 3: some of these Old Testament scrolls, which would explain why
Speaker 3: they would have all this secret numerology behind them and everything.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so the Tower of Babel, the Creation Story,
Speaker 3: and Jacob Slatter are allegedly esoteric stories, right, but specifically
Speaker 3: for today, I wanted to focus on the Creation story
Speaker 3: and the theosophic perspective. So theosophy, we've done episodes on theosophy.
Speaker 3: We've done at least one, the Ageless Wisdom, and it
Speaker 3: was basically started by Heleno Blovotsky right in the I
Speaker 3: think it was.
Speaker 4: The eighteen hundreds, right, like late eighteen hundred, wasn't that longer?
Speaker 3: And Helena Blovotsky is really cool at least her work
Speaker 3: is cool. And the way that she like explains esoteric
Speaker 3: terminology is very I don't know how to say it.
Speaker 3: Maybe you could help me with this, but it's it's
Speaker 3: very like comparative, like the way that it seeks to
Speaker 3: dispel the symbolism between the different mythologies, like or rather
Speaker 3: compare the symbolism between the mythologies and dispel the secrecy
Speaker 3: behind them, you know. But yeah, so I I have
Speaker 3: a lot of really interesting takes about the Creation story.
Speaker 3: So we're going to start with the principle of the monad.
Speaker 3: The monad, according to the theosophic perspective, is a fundamental,
Speaker 3: pure spiritual essence or entity that exists within the life
Speaker 3: of the logos or the divine source.
Speaker 4: Within the life of the Logos.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: It represents the highest, most universal aspect of consciousness, embodying
Speaker 3: a state of pure spirituality and unity. The monad as
Speaker 3: seen as a divine spark or individual expression of the
Speaker 3: divine consciousness that undergoes a process of incarnation into matter,
Speaker 3: experiencing limitations and the duality of physical existence. This journey
Speaker 3: into matter involves a transformation where the monad must navigate
Speaker 3: the challenges and separations inherent in physical embodiment. So like,
Speaker 3: it's been suggested that the story of Lucifer is an allegory,
Speaker 3: right like, the whole story of he falls into material
Speaker 3: reality and he's trapped there and locked away for a
Speaker 3: thousand years or whatever, and then you know, he's unleashed.
Speaker 3: From the Cabbalistic perspective, when you look at the Tree
Speaker 3: of Life, it's suggested that it's it's duality, right, one
Speaker 3: side is light, one side is dark. It's suggested that
Speaker 3: one side is Lucifer and one side is Christ or enlightenment,
Speaker 3: right like that, maybe it's the lightning bolt path, right,
Speaker 3: that we descend into the depths and then we ascend
Speaker 3: back to the godhood.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: So it's been suggested that we as you know, the
Speaker 3: way that we exist now material humans, we existed as
Speaker 3: a part of this monad, as a part of the logos,
Speaker 3: the life force, like we come from a higher.
Speaker 4: We are a material expression of that higher consciousness. Right.
Speaker 3: And the esoteric tradition teaches that these stories of like
Speaker 3: the Devil certain elements of the Old Testament and the Bible,
Speaker 3: because again it's not that the Bible is not true,
Speaker 3: but rather that it is esoteric and it has a
Speaker 3: deeper wisdom about reality itself and the the you know,
Speaker 3: the cosmos and everything. But the idea is that we
Speaker 3: existed perfectly in a spiritual state before we incarnated here
Speaker 3: we fell into material matter, right, and now we are
Speaker 3: ascending back. It's that lightning bulb path. So the expulsion
Speaker 3: from Eden. According to the theosophical view, the serpent's deception
Speaker 3: is the awakening of our duality. Right, So the serpent
Speaker 3: is a symbol of the Kundalini energy, or the latent
Speaker 3: spiritual power within attempts eve to eat from the tree
Speaker 3: of knowledge of good and evil. It represents the awakening
Speaker 3: of consciousness and duality within humanity, moving from a state
Speaker 3: of pure spirit to one of dual awareness. Adam and
Speaker 3: Eve's realization of their nakedness symbolizes the loss of primal
Speaker 3: unity in the emergence of self consciousness. The curses placed
Speaker 3: upon Adam and Eve and the serpent are symbolic of
Speaker 3: the karmic consequences of spiritual descent. Eve's pain in childbirth
Speaker 3: signifies the burden of material existence and the cycle of
Speaker 3: birth and death, while Adam's toil represents the struggle of
Speaker 3: the soul within the dense physical realm. The ground cursed
Speaker 3: to produce thorns and thistles is emblematic of the hardships
Speaker 3: encountered in the material plane as a result of humanity's
Speaker 3: choice to experience duality, and we'll get into the choice later.
Speaker 3: The expulsion guarded by the flaming sword, you know, the Cherubim,
Speaker 3: represents the soul's departure from the higher spiritual planes into
Speaker 3: the physical world. The sword of fire is a symbol
Speaker 3: of divine wisdom, which both protects the way to the
Speaker 3: Tree of life and signifies the barrier between the higher
Speaker 3: states of consciousness and the physical world. The journey into
Speaker 3: the material realm is a necessary phase of the soul's evolution,
Speaker 3: leading to the eventual return to divine unity after experiencing
Speaker 3: and transcending duality again. It's like the lightning bolt path
Speaker 3: and Kabbala. It strikes down and then it ascends back
Speaker 3: up right. The monad ego in the Seven bodies. According
Speaker 3: to theosophy, the narrative of Eden symbolizes the monad or
Speaker 3: the egos, descent into the physical plane, taking on the
Speaker 3: seven bodies of human existence, which, according to the esoteric view,
Speaker 3: or the physical body, the etheric body, the astral body,
Speaker 3: the lower mental body, the higher mental or the causal body,
Speaker 3: which is like the version of you that exists in
Speaker 3: the call or karmic plane, the intuitional or the booty
Speaker 3: like Buddha, the booty, and the spiritual or the monad atma,
Speaker 3: which is like the pure form of your soul that
Speaker 3: exists in a higher reality. You know, Otman is like
Speaker 3: soul and Hinduism. Obviously we said this in the in
Speaker 3: the in the Wisdom Traditions episode, not the Wisdom Traditions,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, the Ageless Wisdom episode, but it you know,
Speaker 3: It's a nice little reminder that Helena Blovotski likes to
Speaker 3: relate a lot of these terms to like Hinduism or
Speaker 3: Tibetan Buddhism, because in her belief, they held like the
Speaker 3: most pure version of spiritual wisdom. Which is something that
Speaker 3: I read today from a very interesting guy that I've
Speaker 3: never heard of. His name is let me find it
Speaker 3: because I have it written down. His name is I
Speaker 3: think it's Bill Donahue. Yeah, it's Bill Donahue. And he
Speaker 3: was like a Catholic priest and now he has this
Speaker 3: website that is very very interesting and he just constantly
Speaker 3: dispels like esoteric wisdom, or not dispels, but like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: like just expounds on the symbolism and the Bible and
Speaker 3: all this stuff and what it really means. And something
Speaker 3: that he said in one of his videos that I
Speaker 3: watched today was that the uh, the story and revelations,
Speaker 3: which you know, we'll get to later, but he said
Speaker 3: that the story and revelations of all of the seven
Speaker 3: rivers in the East are symbolic of the hidden mysteries
Speaker 3: of the East. So like the idea of what he
Speaker 3: was saying is that like, even though you know, Western
Speaker 3: esotericism is true, and you know, God and deities and
Speaker 3: the soul, but that the wisdom of here's what he said.
Speaker 3: He said that the path to initiation, to awaken the
Speaker 3: soul is hidden in the mysteries of the East. So
Speaker 3: I was like, that's very interesting. I've had this thought
Speaker 3: for a while. It's like, I feel like you can't
Speaker 3: really have the truth unless you blend the wisdom of
Speaker 3: the East and the West. And when you put it
Speaker 3: in these terms, that's very fascinating because when you dive
Speaker 3: into these esoteric traditions of Western society, they have these
Speaker 3: like meditation practices and kundalini and tantra and like raising
Speaker 3: your your energy like they practice in Hinduism or Tibetan Buddhism. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, so it's like that's an interesting thought. It's
Speaker 3: like the concepts of the West have great ideas about
Speaker 3: like angelic hierarchies, you know, you could say like ritual magic, allegory, symbolism,
Speaker 3: all this other amazing stuff. But then maybe it's like
Speaker 3: the practices of the East have actual practices, like meditative practices.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I think there are two necessary sides to the
Speaker 4: same coin, and they Mesh. That's one of the things
Speaker 4: that I adore so much about theosophy is that it
Speaker 4: pulls from both Western and Eastern philosophy, and it recognizes
Speaker 4: that it's all important to the whole, to the whole picture.
Speaker 3: That's right. And the amazing thing is that her Meticism
Speaker 3: itself did that too. It like, the whole point of
Speaker 3: these sages is they were traveling and they were learning
Speaker 3: all this knowledge and taking these scrolls. It was it
Speaker 3: was very syncretic, right, And there's that whole alternate version
Speaker 3: of Jesus where maybe he traveled to India, Tibet, Persia, Greece,
Speaker 3: you know, Egypt, and like Pythagorast did this. He actually,
Speaker 3: like the historical Pythagorast did this. He was like a
Speaker 3: sage who traveled. Yeah, and Plato did this, you know.
Speaker 3: And it's like, there's there's something to this notion that
Speaker 3: there is some profound, you know, mysticism in the East.
Speaker 3: But anyway, so I wanted to preface that that a
Speaker 3: lot of these terms are going to be in like Tibetan,
Speaker 3: Buddhist or Hindu terms, because it was Helena Bblovotsky's way
Speaker 3: of understanding it anyway, So back to that, these bodies
Speaker 3: represent varying degrees of materiality, with the monad ego's divine
Speaker 3: consciousness becoming increasingly enmeshed in the densest physical matter symbolized
Speaker 3: by the physical body. The descent is both a fall
Speaker 3: and yet also a necessary stage in the evolutionary journey
Speaker 3: and theosophical terms, the Lord God is not a single
Speaker 3: anthropomorphic entity or deity, rather but represents the collective forces
Speaker 3: of the elohem or spiritual intelligences driving the evolutionary process.
Speaker 3: These forces, while divine and origin manifest differently across various
Speaker 3: planes of existence, from a lower material perspective, they appear
Speaker 3: as limiting or even malevolent or satanic, symbolizing the dual
Speaker 3: aspect of divine will both creative and destructive as it
Speaker 3: pushes the monad ego toward physical incarnation and then eventual liberation.
Speaker 3: So think about that, and it talks about this later too.
Speaker 3: But the way that we understand satan, right, most people
Speaker 3: think it's an actual being, the stories of the devil
Speaker 3: in the Bible, that there's this one central evil personification
Speaker 3: that like is oppressing every living soul on earth. But
Speaker 3: then this view is like well, the stories of the
Speaker 3: devil and you know, the malevolent forces. When you really
Speaker 3: think about it and you zoom up to the highest
Speaker 3: level of reality where you're observing evolutionary processes, that it
Speaker 3: was necessary for our soul to suffer the experience of
Speaker 3: material reality and incarnate here, come lower and incarnate here
Speaker 3: for the experience of being here, and then evolve and
Speaker 3: grow and then you know, ascend back out of here.
Speaker 3: Not that it's like we're trapped here.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: The gnostic view is like we're trapped here, We're in hell.
Speaker 3: It's a nightmare, and it's like maybe it is, but
Speaker 3: maybe it's also in the bigger picture, it's just a
Speaker 3: part of our journey.
Speaker 4: That's yeah, it's part of the journey. Like this, like this,
Speaker 4: what did you call it? The I know it's not
Speaker 4: no monad, monad said nomad. It's like the the monad
Speaker 4: is like this higher ultimate high consciousness thing, like this
Speaker 4: primordial consciousness wouldn't trap itself in a material realm to
Speaker 4: be tortured. It would willingly send itself to this material
Speaker 4: realm to learn what duality.
Speaker 3: Is to knowing that it will be tortured, yes, knowing
Speaker 3: that it's necessary because it will grow exactly, you know.
Speaker 3: So it's like on this level, it's it's perspective, right.
Speaker 4: No learning in heaven. Remember we said that before, Like
Speaker 4: it's that it's perspective.
Speaker 3: Like on the one hand, when you're you know, on
Speaker 3: the ground looking at things from a certain perspective, you're like, wow,
Speaker 3: this ocean is really big, and you know it's or
Speaker 3: you know, these trees are really big and they're as
Speaker 3: far as I can see, and then you're up in
Speaker 3: the sky and you look down in their little dots.
Speaker 3: It's just it's all about perspective, right. And it's the
Speaker 3: same with the soul, And that's that's a very interesting take,
Speaker 3: like maybe there even aren't negative and malevolent forces, which
Speaker 3: obviously I believe that there are. But then again, it's
Speaker 3: like when you go to the higher levels of reality,
Speaker 3: it's like, but you know, maybe that's a necessary part
Speaker 3: of this phase.
Speaker 4: It absolutely is.
Speaker 3: You know, it's one hundred percent necessary to test us
Speaker 3: to you know, to make us evolve even higher. And
Speaker 3: like there's some grand cosmic plan for us to come
Speaker 3: here into this place where it sucks. But it's like, well,
Speaker 3: you know, but it's going to be good. After, it's
Speaker 3: going to be better after, and it can be good
Speaker 3: here too.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's to learn to appreciate the cosmic truth, like
Speaker 4: to learn to appreciate the soul.
Speaker 3: And it's like building an immune system. Man, Like, you know,
Speaker 3: you can be exposed to pathogens that kill you. But
Speaker 3: then from a scientific perspective, you could be like, but
Speaker 3: what if in an intelligent way, I expose myself to
Speaker 3: these pathogens or you know, I'm not whatever, so that
Speaker 3: I could build an immune system and be stronger, you know,
Speaker 3: and be more resilient. And it's it's just like, it's
Speaker 3: the same with the soul. It's the same with higher realities.
Speaker 3: So the traditional Christian doctrine of original sin, which is
Speaker 3: obviously when they eat from the tree, roots in the
Speaker 3: Fall of Adam and Eve, as seen in Theosophy as
Speaker 3: a misunderstanding rather than a moral transgression. The fall symbolizes
Speaker 3: the natural descent of the human monads or souls into
Speaker 3: physical bodies as a necessary step in the human evolution.
Speaker 3: In this view, the use of procreative power by early
Speaker 3: humanity was not sinful, but it is a natural process
Speaker 3: essential for the survival and development of the species. The
Speaker 3: notion that sexuality is inherently impure is rejected. Rather, it
Speaker 3: is a neutral, impersonal force that can either be elevated
Speaker 3: or degraded depending on its use. Theosophy and pretty much
Speaker 3: all esoteric doctrines that aren't you know, like on the
Speaker 3: dark side, like the good shit. Theosophy emphasizes that while
Speaker 3: misuse of sexual energy can lead to negative outcomes, its
Speaker 3: proper transmutation can result in spiritual and intellectual creativity, inspiring genius,
Speaker 3: and even granting esoteric stages superhuman abilities.
Speaker 4: Just like everything in nature. Everything in nature can be
Speaker 4: elevated or degraded right on use, and leak can lead
Speaker 4: to awakening. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, when procreative nature is channeled and transmuted, it can
Speaker 3: lead to profound, spiritual and intellectual achievements. This process is
Speaker 3: not about rejecting physicality, but rather about elevating and integrating
Speaker 3: it into a higher spiritual context, aligning with the ultimate
Speaker 3: goal of human evolution, self realization and union with the divine.
Speaker 3: And it talks later about how a part of our
Speaker 3: a part of our experience here is like incarnating with
Speaker 3: like part of the fall into material reality was like
Speaker 3: the higher monad. This this ultra transcendent consciousness being like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm a perfect being, but I must subject myself to
Speaker 3: go down there to where I am subject to emotional, physical,
Speaker 3: and intellectual impulses, which on the physical level is like obviously,
Speaker 3: you know, the Seven Deadly sins devices whatever. It's like,
Speaker 3: I'm going to be subjected to these impulses, but then
Speaker 3: it's going to manifest on the human level as a
Speaker 3: desire for love. So it's like it's it's a part
Speaker 3: of the it's like, you know, anyway, we'll get to
Speaker 3: it later. But so the temptation by the devil, right, So,
Speaker 3: in esoteric philosophy, the devil in Eden is not a
Speaker 3: singular being, but a personification of various formative forces, processes,
Speaker 3: and intelligences. Satan represents differentiated matter, its inherent life force,
Speaker 3: and the influence these have on human consciousness. The devil
Speaker 3: embodies the negative pole of the cosmic energy spectrum, where
Speaker 3: matter plays a crucial role in the awakening of creative
Speaker 3: fire within the spirit. Spirit and matter are viewed as
Speaker 3: the positive and negative poles of one energy, and their
Speaker 3: interaction generates elect tromagnetic attraction, symbolizing the creative process, and
Speaker 3: this allegory, eve represents the universal substance responding to the
Speaker 3: life force. In parentheses, the devil and tempts atom symbolizing
Speaker 3: spirit to engage in material expression. The role of the
Speaker 3: devil in the human evolution, or the temptation by the
Speaker 3: devil rather, is not a malevolent act, but it is
Speaker 3: an essential aspect of the evolutionary process. It reflects the
Speaker 3: lure of material existence and the necessary descent of spirit
Speaker 3: into matter to achieve full self expression and ultimately spiritual growth.
Speaker 3: So at one point the mode add up in this
Speaker 3: high you know, extending you know, existing state of reality,
Speaker 3: which isn't even like you got to think about it,
Speaker 3: like there's one original consciousness, which is true from the
Speaker 3: Theosophic perspective, the Hermetic, the resicrution, the Mason that all
Speaker 3: these different traditions, you know, secret society, they're all like
Speaker 3: there's one consciousness. The Gnostics, whatever, the you know, Brahm
Speaker 3: and the supreme God of Hinduism. It's this one mind. Right.
Speaker 3: Theosophy and some other traditions say, well, at some point
Speaker 3: that mind was like but I want to experience, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: So it seeks individualization. Individualization, that's a hard word. So
Speaker 3: it comes down here and it seeks to be individuals. Yeah,
Speaker 3: not just this one thing, but many different individuals.
Speaker 4: In order to see different perspectives.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's like what would that be, Like, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's gonna suck.
Speaker 4: Sure, it's going to really suck. It's to get the
Speaker 4: full picture. It's to like actually be able to have
Speaker 4: an experience rather than just like existing. It's an experience
Speaker 4: versus just you know, being out there exactly nothing going on.
Speaker 3: So that's what this is suggesting.
Speaker 4: Like if I was a ball of primordial energy and
Speaker 4: I'm just floating out there in the cosmos, I'd be like,
Speaker 4: this is fucking boring. I want to do something.
Speaker 3: I want to play Sonic Adventure to Battle.
Speaker 4: Literally, bro. I want to go to Sonic three in
Speaker 4: the theaters with my homies.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I want to role play as egg Man.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, I'll role play with you. Okay, I'll
Speaker 4: be older grandpa boys. Yeah yeah, I'll be older Grandpa man. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: But like, yeah, it makes sense. It makes so much
Speaker 4: sense to me, Like the want, the desire for those
Speaker 4: different experiences and that like if I was that infinite
Speaker 4: ball of energy, I would want to experience everything possible
Speaker 4: by throwing myself into billions of different entities, right, you know,
Speaker 4: and having continuous different experience.
Speaker 3: It's almost like a paradox to think about from a
Speaker 3: human perspective, right, Like, you know, because then I think
Speaker 3: about this perfect being and I'm like.
Speaker 4: Why would you do this? Why would you do this?
Speaker 3: But then it's like, but I also kind of get
Speaker 3: it because it's like.
Speaker 4: Why not, right, It's like if you didn't do this,
Speaker 4: and just what nothing ever happens ever, and there's no
Speaker 4: purpose or point to anything.
Speaker 3: It's just kind of you know there.
Speaker 4: Yes, literally it's gray. It's nothing. It's more interesting this way,
Speaker 4: infinitely infinitely more interesting. Yeah, there's you know, like yeah,
Speaker 4: the gray, the in between everything no hot, no cold,
Speaker 4: no good, no bad, no nothing, no hungry, no full.
Speaker 3: It's it's above my pay grade.
Speaker 4: Think about when you're freaking hungry for twenty four hours,
Speaker 4: you do a twenty four hour fast, or let's just
Speaker 4: say you go a day and you don't get to
Speaker 4: eat for a long time. Yeah, when you freaking eat,
Speaker 4: it's like the best thing that's ever happened.
Speaker 3: It's kind of nice.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's like the best thing that's ever happened to you. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's like the good stuff is infinitely better when you
Speaker 4: had to go through something difficult to get to it, right,
Speaker 4: it's infinitely more rewarding.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's how I like to think it makes sense,
Speaker 3: like God being like, okay, I'm perfect, I'm omniscient whatever,
Speaker 3: But like what if I actually went down there and
Speaker 3: like tested myself.
Speaker 4: Yeah, saw what it was like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just like just to see, yeah, I'm back stronger.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's over my pay grade to understand it.
Speaker 1: But weird things happen in the backyard, lets house or shit,
Speaker 1: oh god, it's so weird.
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Speaker 6: No one knows that.
Speaker 5: It's coming right over.
Speaker 2: Now, sighed every happy