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Speaker 2: This is Jonathan Peschel, Welcome to the symbolic world.

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Speaker 1: So with the recent announcement about Project Stargate, which is

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infrastructure project, we have to start thinking a little bit

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more about, you know, how all of the questions of

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long history. But there's also a very coherent symbolic relationship

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between things like the Project Stargate that was already existing

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that some of the proponents of that project ended up

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also talking about connecting to extraterrestrials or interdimensional beings as

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conspiracy theory types, you can often get a good sense

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narrative what is happening sometimes in off and I would

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terms of just material causes and understanding, you know, what

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relationships between the different aspects. But in terms of narrative,

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they seem to get it right. And so that's what

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to be a crazy year, and you know it really

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thanks to your support and to the support you bring

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to the symbolic world. You know, we are going to

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forget who he was, that all these AI guys appeared

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you to join me for my new Symbolic World course,

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Tolkien and Universal History. In this course, we're going to

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Tolkien's Legendarium and see how Tolkien sort of shows us

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a blueprint for reclaiming a legendary mythical Christian framework for storytelling,

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Speaker 2: The difference is the difference between.

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Speaker 1: You know, being a can I say this, this capacity

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Speaker 1: That all the miracles, all the things, all of this

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seems like opposites, but they're actually quite related to each other.

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narrative of AI is exactly that it's really crazy to

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think about it. We we on the one hand, say,

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we are going to create this intelligence, and it will

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give us more power than any technology that the human

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has ever come up with until now, and it'll probably

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subjugate us. It'll probably like rise up against us and

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make us its slaves or at least like control us.

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you know, simultaneously together like that we can that we

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Speaker 2: But that's actually.

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Speaker 1: How this thing works, right, Usually, you know, the way

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that you understand it is, you know, the kind of

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cliche or the story trope is that you at first

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think that you are downloading this intelligence in order to

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control it, and then the table flips and it turns

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out that it's controlling you.

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Speaker 1: You see that in a lot of stories, a lot

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of pulp stories, a lot of a lot of you know,

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kind of bad horror movies, all that stuff.

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in Fantasia, where you know, where basically Mickey makes the

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brooms intelligent in order to do his job for him,

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but then he loses control of it, and ultimately they

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turn against him, like they overwhelm him, you could say,

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and so that he can't he can't control them anymore.

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Speaker 1: Golum, where you know, you create this intelligent extension of you,

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this monster that is like an intelligent robot or kind

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of an intelligent being, but then ultimately it turns against you.

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that is one way of understanding it, you know, which

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is this desire to like to take the fruit, and

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then that desire then rules over you like that desire

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slave to desire. And that seems to be what is

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other thing we really need to think about is really

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the idea of the strange and the idea of a

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strange intelligent because you know, if you think about angels

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or God, you have a sentence with you have intelligence,

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infinite intelligen of course in the in the.

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Speaker 2: Framed in terms of God. But then let's say lower

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version of that.

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Speaker 1: Let's say, like angels, there's a sense in which those

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angels are related to you, like they're causal to you, right,

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they have a beneficent effect down you. They care for you,

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and they kind of oversee like something like that overseer

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of reality. So that's what angels do. That's what patron

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saints are. That's what your guardian angel is. Is a

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non human intelligence that is in some ways above you

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the alien intelligences or the strange intelligences. The AI doesn't

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cause humans. The AI isn't naturally the the overseer of

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the human. Neither is the extraterrestrial. Neither is the you

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know like whatever, neither is the being that people encounter

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in psychedelics. None of these are recognized as being your

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natural overseer. They're recognized as being fascinating strange intelligence. And

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so because of that, they represent the foreign influence. That's

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what they represent, and they necessarily represent that, and it's

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going to happen in every like in every sense in

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which we look at this question and understanding that, like

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understanding the danger of these playing with misunderstood or non

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understood alien intelligences. You know, if you see it that way,

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then the causality doesn't really matter that much. We're not

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asking ourselves so much. What is really happening? Like this

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is the question. So you know, think about the UAP

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example or the UFO example. You know, you have extra

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the idea of extra of alien life form, extraterrestrial life form,

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and then you have these unidentified lights in the sky,

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these unidentified flying objects that are kind of invading our

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heavens and invading our space, and you can ask yourself,

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and then you can see like the government is obviously

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shifty about it, like they're lying or they're disclosing some

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things and not disclosing others, and they're acting very weird

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about it. They've been acting like that since the nineteen

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sixties or maybe the nineteen fifties even, And so people

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are too obsessed with asking themselves what are these phenomena?

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What are the US? What are the aliens that people see?

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Are they extraterrestrials from other planets? Are they extraterrestrials from

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another dimension? Are they government like foreign government like beings

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or foreign government weapons that are appearing in our space

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and are kind of invading us or spying on us,

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or are they a SI out from our own government

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that is lying to us for reasons that we don't understand,

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for reasons that we don't know. And the thing about

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all of those is that they're really the same thing

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in terms of story. What they are is there are

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alien intelligences that are trying to influence us, and we

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don't know what they are. We don't know what exactly

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their purpose is, we don't know what their end goal is.

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There's a hidden agenda behind the intelligence and we can't

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completely discern it. And therefore it's not like my overseer.

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guardian angel. It is a foreign intelligence, a strange intelligence.

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And what I want to do is people are trying

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to basically encounter this strange intelligence and now gather stuff

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from it in order to have more power. Now, whether

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it is that we're going to catch these flying spaceships

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and we're going to get their tech and we're going

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to reverse engineer their technology, and if.

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Speaker 2: That, where does that spaceship come from.

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is it space technology? Is it technology from the future

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that is coming back to us? Those secondary questions, obviously

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they matter for the people that are trying to be powerful,

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but they don't matter for those of us that are

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trying to understand what is happening to us, Like why

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is it that we are now so minded and obsessed

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with the question of foreign influence on us?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: And like I said, this is also what is happening

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with the whole migrant thing.

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and be animals. They want they are obsessed with strange

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identity and strange intelligence, and they are trying to bring

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that in to the into our experience in order to

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increase their potential to like increase they have a sense

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that it will increase their identity. So I think that

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that's really important to understand as we see this happening,

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and so it's going to reflect itself mythologically, which is why,

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whether on purpose or not, the idea of a stargate,

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you know, is perfectly reasonable because, as you know, if

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you've been following the Samoic world.

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Speaker 2: Then the stars.

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Speaker 1: The stars in the ancient world, they are images of principalities.

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So the idea that you're creating a gait for a star,

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you're creating a gate for something that will then that

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will like act as your principality. That's the final step

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is to like treat these foreign intelligences, or some of

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them at least, as truly our principality, when in fact

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they're not. They're not because of look at the means

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by which we encounter them. They're all these these like

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external artificial means and these kind of weird you know,

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esthetic transformations, like you change your body, like the idea

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of like changing your body instead of changing your heart.

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Speaker 2: You know, this is the difference between the kind of.

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a chip in your brain, or wearing a dog's tail or,

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you know, getting breast in plants.

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Speaker 2: Are all of these.

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Speaker 1: Things, they are all they are all extensions of the

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same type of problem that we're facing in our society,

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which is that we are no longer connected to the

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highest good, We're no longer connected to God, We're no

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longer see ourselves as being in the image of God,

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and so now we are basically broke down. Like think

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about the doubles, the double move of the Tower of Babel.

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Speaker 2: That's what it is.

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a name for ourselves, or to reach heaven on our

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own and not receive the gifts from above. And now

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we're fragmenting, and now all the gods are fighting, and

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now all the foreign influences are manifesting themselves in ways

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that is haphazard, and it's not clear. It's ambiguous. We

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don't know exactly what it is that's happening.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's not like the it's not like a priest standing

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in front of the church and giving a homily. It's

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not like the angel Gabriel appearing to the Mother of

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God and instantiating a new world. No, it's muddled and

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it's confused, you know. And it looks like those AI

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videos that are like fragments of intelligence that are connecting

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with the world and manifesting themselves in all kinds of

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chaotic ways, like residues of intelligence that people are like

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are catching and are trying to bring into the world.

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Those AI videos like the weird the weird ones that

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move from identity to another where you clearly the machine

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doesn't know what it's dealing with, and it's just kind

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of gluing different halfhazard forms together in order to give

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you something that connects at least just in terms of images.

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That is really an example of what it is we're

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dealing with, which is why all the imagery around this stuff,

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whether it's the cyborg imagery, whether it's the furry, whether

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it's the gender ambiguous ambiguity. The drag queen is a

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good example, you know. But then also the lizard people

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that you have, lizard that that were like a human

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mass or lizards behind all of the imagery, it's all

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different versions of the same things.

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Speaker 2: And so I think that we have.

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Speaker 1: To be able to see through the smoke and see

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through the chaos of what's going on and be able

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to identify beyond the specifics of the thing we're looking at,

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how we're dealing with a very very large pattern, a

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very large pattern of let's say, people who should be

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worshiping God, adrift from their original alignment and purpose and

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now just grabbing at anything that seems solid. As we're

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floating away. And so that's my take on what is happening.

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We definitely need to be very very attentive and to

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pay attention to what's going to happen like now, like

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in the next few months, in the next year, in

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the next two years, you know how all that's going

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to all that's going to come together and yeah revealed

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to us, you know, show us what it is that

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these intelligence want and why they are peeking in on us.

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And then hopefully that will also wake a lot of

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people up to the importance of being connected in the

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right community towards the right transcendent will and right transcending goals.

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And so thanks again everybody for your support. Truly appreciate it.

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Since this is the first video of January, first Patre

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video of January, I wish you a happy new year

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and I hope you will.

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Speaker 2: Have a great twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: There are clearly exciting things that are happening right now,

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things that could yield a reprieved in the chaos that

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I could yield some new possibilities, some new seeds, some

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new shoots that you know, could give us some give

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us some hope, and give us a path to tread,

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but we definitely need to not let up on being

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attentive to what's happening. So I thank everybody for your

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support and I'll talk to you very soon.

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Speaker 2: Bye bye,