Speaker 1: You can see how all of these are kind of
are kind of connected together mythologically in story form, because
there's not necessarily like a mechanical cause of relationship between
the remote viewing Project Stargate, which you know, for it
was around from the nineteen seventies to the nineteen nineties.
There's not a direct connection between that probably and the
Project Stargate, which is AI, but there is a weird
thread that flows through that gives you the sense that
there is a connection and that this connection is of
course the idea of connecting to contacting with, or mastering
something which is transhuman and is not normal human intelligence
in order to gain power.
Speaker 2: This is Jonathan Peschel, Welcome to the symbolic world.
Speaker 1: So with the recent announcement about Project Stargate, which is
the federal US federal government's five hundred billion dollar AI
infrastructure project, we have to start thinking a little bit
more about, you know, how all of the questions of
what we could call alien intelligence are, how they're related
to each other, and how there is in fact a
long history. But there's also a very coherent symbolic relationship
between things like the Project Stargate that was already existing
in the US government, which was about remote viewing, but
that some of the proponents of that project ended up
also talking about connecting to extraterrestrials or interdimensional beings as
people are now calling them.
Speaker 2: What's the relationship between that?
Speaker 1: And also just the Stargate franchise, how it's you know,
it's imagery of opening up a gate into other worlds
and to other kind of realities, you know, and how
that's related, for example, to AI, to psychedelics.
Speaker 2: It's it's like you can.
Speaker 1: Kind of see the coalition of points floating in front
of you. But what is the relationship between all these things?
And you know, I think it's becoming clear and clear,
you know, And you can when you listen to the
conspiracy theory types, you can often get a good sense
of what it is that's going on because you know,
it kind of bubbles around and get mixed up, and
you know, you have a mix of intelligent and not
so intelligent people kind of diving in and bringing out
their their their vision, and what you end up with
end up with is a is a coherent vision of
narrative what is happening sometimes in off and I would
say the conspiracy types get the causality wrong, like in
terms of just material causes and understanding, you know, what
is the cause, what are the material cause cause of
relationships between the different aspects. But in terms of narrative,
they seem to get it right. And so that's what
I want to explore with you today on our patron
video for the month of January. So before we start,
I just want to say that this year is going
to be a crazy year, and you know it really
thanks to your support and to the support you bring
to the symbolic world. You know, we are going to
publish several books this year. We're going to publish at
least two, maybe three fairy tale books. Godzog two's coming
out like in the next few weeks. We're just waiting
for it to arrive in the warehouse. Plus Gods Doog
three will probably probably be published again this year towards
the end of the year, because that is like halfway
finished already the symbolism books that are around the.
Speaker 2: Fairy tale books.
Speaker 1: Plus JP Maxo's book is coming out like imminently in
the next few weeks as well. And Richard Rowlands Finding
the Golden Key book, which is about the Sacramento imagination
that is also something. So we've got a lot of
stuff happening on that front. And then plus I'm exploring
all kinds of possibilities. I wrote a pilot dramatizing Genesis
with Greg Hurwitz, which we kind of have to look
around to see if people are interested.
Speaker 2: There is so many.
Speaker 1: Things happening, and really, you know, the support you're bringing
to the Sabolic world is what makes it possible. Like I,
you know, because I'm not necessarily generating revenue, at least
not yet. With all these other ventures, I think they're
important and they're kind of pushing culture in the right direction.
But you know, my family and my capacity to kind
of do the things I want to do is really
is really thanks to people signing up to the Sambolic
world and supporting us financially.
Speaker 2: So it is much appreciated. And so what is going on.
So you know, as you know.
Speaker 1: The Sam Autman and Larry Ellison and the other guy
forget who he was, that all these AI guys appeared
with Donald Trump to announce the project Starlink, which is
a huge infrastructure project five hundred billion dollars for AI
in the United States, you know, which is not surprising
that the United States wants to do that. But then
they said it was going to be called Project Stargate,
and I couldn't believe that they were calling a Project Stargate, because,
as most of you know, it was the name of
the remote viewing project in the United States, and you know,
which was seems to also in some ways been named
after the movie Stargate, which was like a kind of
cheesy science fiction movie about moving between different directions, different dimensions.
That there were series and stuff. I don't even I
haven't really followed that series. I think there's also like
a TV series. You know, the science fiction nerds will
know more. But all of this is kind of weirdly related.
And as we are obsessed with UFOs now and what
they call UAPs, I guess now, as we are also
obsessed with psychedelics and obsessed with AI, as we are
also obsessed with the LGBT question and the question of
identity and gender, as people are you know, let's say,
constantly talking about immigration and migrants and all of this stuff,
and as we're also kind of seeing the return of
the gods and the return of principalities, and people are
noticing and starting to take seriously the idea of the
of the of the fallen angels or you know, and
then all the weird conspiracy people that are obsessed with
the what they call the anunaki or the idea that
our civilization was seated by interdimensional beings that appeared to
us as gods, like you have that on Joe Rogan,
you know, likes that kind of stuff, you know, the
obsession with the idea like with like pre flood civilizations,
you know, which you see and in Graham Hancock and
all these types of people, and the fact that this
is like just buzzing around and like people that talk
about this stuff are getting like millions and millions of views.
All of these things are actually related in all of
these aspects, and they're related because you have to kind
of understand it as an obsession with strange intelligence.
Speaker 2: That's the way to think about it.
Speaker 1: So an obsession with non human intelligence, but not just
an obsession with it, not just like a knowledge of
its existing, but mostly a way in which you can
capture non human intelligence and then use it in order
to increase your power.
Speaker 2: And this kind of feeds itself.
Speaker 1: So you can imagine like the transhuman it is the
simple transhuman in the sense of augmenting yourself technologically. How
that has to do with the idea of being able
to change your gender or to become gender neutral or
some kind of hybrid of gender.
Speaker 2: All of this.
Speaker 1: Is related to It's related also to people taking psychedelics
and wanting to like encounter or to master, you know,
encounter non human intelligences and to get some kind of
insight or some kind of power from those non human intelligences,
you know, and the ancient way of understanding this that
was available to many people, like in the Middle Ages,
they would call this demonology. That is, the capacity to
invoke non human strange principalities, those that aren't.
Speaker 2: Clearly aligned, at least clearly aligned.
Speaker 1: You could say, you know, that's what the idea of
the genie in the bottle is as well, because the
genie is not an angel.
Speaker 2: The genie is in the Islamic idea as a gin.
Speaker 1: It's a neutral but mostly ambiguous being that you can
encounter and then you can make like put under your power,
like putting it in the lamp. Is already this idea
of like controlling it and putting it in your power
and then use it in order to accomplish what you want,
to get your desire right, And so you can see
how all of these are kind of are kind of
connected together mythologically in story form, because there's not necessarily
like a mechanical cause of relationship between the Remote Viewing
Project Stargate, which you know, for it was around for
the nineteen seventies to the nineteen nineties. There's there's not
a direct connection between that probably and the Project Stargate,
which is AI, but there is a weird thread that
flows through that gives you the sense that there is
a connection, and that this connection is of course the
idea of connecting to contacting with or mastering something which
is transhuman and is not normal human intelligence.
Speaker 2: In order to gain power.
Speaker 1: Because if you think of the remote viewing project that happened,
you know, in the in the US Secret Services, in
the CIA, you know.
Speaker 2: It wasn't how can I say this, like.
Speaker 1: It wasn't the same as a religious endeavor, Like it
wasn't the same as the idea of bylocation, for example,
So in the story of Saints, you have this notion
of bylocation. It's actually part of the qualities that saints
often acquire and so even there are all these weird
stories about like living people now like starrets that are
either living or have died recently.
Speaker 2: Who would you know?
Speaker 1: In the morning, they would say something like, oh, I
talked to so and so, you know the elder of
the other monastery last night, and everybody is like, what,
what do you How could he talk to the.
Speaker 2: Elder of the other monastery.
Speaker 1: The elder of the monastery is like, you know, two
hours walk away, so there's no way that he talked
to him. And then as this started to happen, people
realize that the saints, that the holy men in the
monasteries were capable of by location, and we're capable of
encountering each other.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't care. I can't do that,
but like encountering each.
Speaker 1: Other somehow and then exchanging with each other and then
you know, then but without leaving their monastery.
Speaker 2: These are things that happen in all in many.
Speaker 1: Of the sane stories, like weirder stuff than that too,
you know, getting revelation from angels, like seeing angels, seeing
seeing seeing Christ, seeing the Mother of God, seeing all
these people. What is the difference between that and what
we're doing now?
Speaker 3: Hello friends, this is Richard Roland, and I am inviting
you to join me for my new Symbolic World course,
Tolkien and Universal History. In this course, we're going to
go over the deep mythological and universal history roots of
Tolkien's Legendarium and see how Tolkien sort of shows us
a blueprint for reclaiming a legendary mythical Christian framework for storytelling,
and in fact, we're going to even do some storytelling
of our own. This is a five week course. It
starts on March the third. We had to postpont it
a week, which means there's a little more time for
you to sign up, and I hope to see you there.
Speaker 2: The difference is the difference between.
Speaker 1: You know, being a can I say this, this capacity
being a side effect of your wisdom, your holiness, your
dedication to a transcendent unity, your dedication to God, and
you're standing here and reaching out trying to grab this
intelligence and then bring it into the lamp, like put
it into the lamp in order to be able to
get what you want, which is faster, stronger, you know, better,
more power really is then that's the difference, and it's
important to be able to see the difference, because that
is actually the difference between true religion and fake religion
and false religion.
Speaker 2: True religion is it's not.
Speaker 1: That all the miracles, all the things, all of this
stuff all exists, but it's not something that you master
in order to increase your power. It's not something that
you can control completely, you know, and subjugate to your will.
And at the same time, it's also not something that
you are can I say this that you are yielding
your control to. So those are the two opposites, are
the two extremes. One is the idea that I'm going
to get a demon and I'm going to capture it
in a in a like in some way, and that
I'm going to you know, wrestle insight from it and
basically control it in order to create things or to
do things.
Speaker 2: That's one extreme, and the other extreme.
Speaker 1: Is something like relinquishing my own power, you know, and
then being completely subject to this higher thing. And those
seems like opposites, but they're actually quite related to each other.
Think about how how the narrative of AI functions. The
narrative of AI is exactly that it's really crazy to
think about it. We we on the one hand, say,
we are going to create this intelligence, and it will
give us more power than any technology that the human
has ever come up with until now, and it'll probably
subjugate us. It'll probably like rise up against us and
make us its slaves or at least like control us.
And so it's weird that we can actually have that narrative,
you know, simultaneously together like that we can that we
can think those two opposite things at the same time.
Speaker 2: But that's actually.
Speaker 1: How this thing works, right, Usually, you know, the way
that you understand it is, you know, the kind of
cliche or the story trope is that you at first
think that you are downloading this intelligence in order to
control it, and then the table flips and it turns
out that it's controlling you.
Speaker 2: Right, That's a simple trope.
Speaker 1: You see that in a lot of stories, a lot
of pulp stories, a lot of a lot of you know,
kind of bad horror movies, all that stuff.
Speaker 2: You see it happen.
Speaker 1: You see it in the story of the Magician's Apprentice
in Fantasia, where you know, where basically Mickey makes the
brooms intelligent in order to do his job for him,
but then he loses control of it, and ultimately they
turn against him, like they overwhelm him, you could say,
and so that he can't he can't control them anymore.
Speaker 2: Right. That's also the story of the.
Speaker 1: Golum, where you know, you create this intelligent extension of you,
this monster that is like an intelligent robot or kind
of an intelligent being, but then ultimately it turns against you.
And that is, of course, it's an image of the fall.
If you think about it, you know that that is
that is one way of understanding it, you know, which
is this desire to like to take the fruit, and
then that desire then rules over you like that desire
then kind of crushes you, and then you become a
slave to desire. And that seems to be what is
going on quite a bit in these discussions. And the
other thing we really need to think about is really
the idea of the strange and the idea of a
strange intelligent because you know, if you think about angels
or saints, or of course the logos itself, you know,
or God, you have a sentence with you have intelligence,
infinite intelligen of course in the in the.
Speaker 2: Framed in terms of God. But then let's say lower
version of that.
Speaker 1: Let's say, like angels, there's a sense in which those
angels are related to you, like they're causal to you, right,
They are something like your king, your prince. You know,
they have a beneficent effect down you. They care for you,
and they kind of oversee like something like that overseer
of reality. So that's what angels do. That's what patron
saints are. That's what your guardian angel is. Is a
non human intelligence that is in some ways above you
and that is overseeing you. That is very different from
these other types of intelligences, like what you could call
the alien intelligences or the strange intelligences. The AI doesn't
cause humans. The AI isn't naturally the the overseer of
the human. Neither is the extraterrestrial. Neither is the you
know like whatever, neither is the being that people encounter
in psychedelics. None of these are recognized as being your
natural overseer. They're recognized as being fascinating strange intelligence. And
so because of that, they represent the foreign influence. That's
what they represent, and they necessarily represent that, and it's
going to happen in every like in every sense in
which we look at this question and understanding that, like
understanding the danger of these playing with misunderstood or non
understood alien intelligences. You know, if you see it that way,
then the causality doesn't really matter that much. We're not
asking ourselves so much. What is really happening? Like this
is the question. So you know, think about the UAP
example or the UFO example. You know, you have extra
the idea of extra of alien life form, extraterrestrial life form,
and then you have these unidentified lights in the sky,
these unidentified flying objects that are kind of invading our
heavens and invading our space, and you can ask yourself,
and then you can see like the government is obviously
shifty about it, like they're lying or they're disclosing some
things and not disclosing others, and they're acting very weird
about it. They've been acting like that since the nineteen
sixties or maybe the nineteen fifties even, And so people
are too obsessed with asking themselves what are these phenomena?
What are the US? What are the aliens that people see?
Are they extraterrestrials from other planets? Are they extraterrestrials from
another dimension? Are they government like foreign government like beings
or foreign government weapons that are appearing in our space
and are kind of invading us or spying on us,
or are they a SI out from our own government
that is lying to us for reasons that we don't understand,
for reasons that we don't know. And the thing about
all of those is that they're really the same thing
in terms of story. What they are is there are
alien intelligences that are trying to influence us, and we
don't know what they are. We don't know what exactly
their purpose is, we don't know what their end goal is.
There's a hidden agenda behind the intelligence and we can't
completely discern it. And therefore it's not like my overseer.
It's not like my father or my principality or my
guardian angel. It is a foreign intelligence, a strange intelligence.
And what I want to do is people are trying
to basically encounter this strange intelligence and now gather stuff
from it in order to have more power. Now, whether
it is that we're going to catch these flying spaceships
and we're going to get their tech and we're going
to reverse engineer their technology, and if.
Speaker 2: That, where does that spaceship come from.
Speaker 1: Does it come from a foreign government, Is it foreign technology,
is it space technology? Is it technology from the future
that is coming back to us? Those secondary questions, obviously
they matter for the people that are trying to be powerful,
but they don't matter for those of us that are
trying to understand what is happening to us, Like why
is it that we are now so minded and obsessed
with the question of foreign influence on us?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: And like I said, this is also what is happening
with the whole migrant thing.
Speaker 2: It's the same as like furries. Like furries are the.
Speaker 1: Same like people who want to be dogs and cats
and be animals. They want they are obsessed with strange
identity and strange intelligence, and they are trying to bring
that in to the into our experience in order to
increase their potential to like increase they have a sense
that it will increase their identity. So I think that
that's really important to understand as we see this happening,
and so it's going to reflect itself mythologically, which is why,
whether on purpose or not, the idea of a stargate,
you know, is perfectly reasonable because, as you know, if
you've been following the Samoic world.
Speaker 2: Then the stars.
Speaker 1: The stars in the ancient world, they are images of principalities.
So the idea that you're creating a gait for a star,
you're creating a gate for something that will then that
will like act as your principality. That's the final step
is to like treat these foreign intelligences, or some of
them at least, as truly our principality, when in fact
they're not. They're not because of look at the means
by which we encounter them. They're all these these like
external artificial means and these kind of weird you know,
esthetic transformations, like you change your body, like the idea
of like changing your body instead of changing your heart.
Speaker 2: You know, this is the difference between the kind of.
Speaker 1: You know, let's say, having some kind of augmentation like
a chip in your brain, or wearing a dog's tail or,
you know, getting breast in plants.
Speaker 2: Are all of these.
Speaker 1: Things, they are all they are all extensions of the
same type of problem that we're facing in our society,
which is that we are no longer connected to the
highest good, We're no longer connected to God, We're no
longer see ourselves as being in the image of God,
and so now we are basically broke down. Like think
about the doubles, the double move of the Tower of Babel.
Speaker 2: That's what it is.
Speaker 1: We try to like remove ourselves from heaven to make
a name for ourselves, or to reach heaven on our
own and not receive the gifts from above. And now
we're fragmenting, and now all the gods are fighting, and
now all the foreign influences are manifesting themselves in ways
that is haphazard, and it's not clear. It's ambiguous. We
don't know exactly what it is that's happening.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's not like the it's not like a priest standing
in front of the church and giving a homily. It's
not like the angel Gabriel appearing to the Mother of
God and instantiating a new world. No, it's muddled and
it's confused, you know. And it looks like those AI
videos that are like fragments of intelligence that are connecting
with the world and manifesting themselves in all kinds of
chaotic ways, like residues of intelligence that people are like
are catching and are trying to bring into the world.
Those AI videos like the weird the weird ones that
move from identity to another where you clearly the machine
doesn't know what it's dealing with, and it's just kind
of gluing different halfhazard forms together in order to give
you something that connects at least just in terms of images.
That is really an example of what it is we're
dealing with, which is why all the imagery around this stuff,
whether it's the cyborg imagery, whether it's the furry, whether
it's the gender ambiguous ambiguity. The drag queen is a
good example, you know. But then also the lizard people
that you have, lizard that that were like a human
mass or lizards behind all of the imagery, it's all
different versions of the same things.
Speaker 2: And so I think that we have.
Speaker 1: To be able to see through the smoke and see
through the chaos of what's going on and be able
to identify beyond the specifics of the thing we're looking at,
how we're dealing with a very very large pattern, a
very large pattern of let's say, people who should be
worshiping God, adrift from their original alignment and purpose and
now just grabbing at anything that seems solid. As we're
floating away. And so that's my take on what is happening.
We definitely need to be very very attentive and to
pay attention to what's going to happen like now, like
in the next few months, in the next year, in
the next two years, you know how all that's going
to all that's going to come together and yeah revealed
to us, you know, show us what it is that
these intelligence want and why they are peeking in on us.
And then hopefully that will also wake a lot of
people up to the importance of being connected in the
right community towards the right transcendent will and right transcending goals.
And so thanks again everybody for your support. Truly appreciate it.
Since this is the first video of January, first Patre
video of January, I wish you a happy new year
and I hope you will.
Speaker 2: Have a great twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: There are clearly exciting things that are happening right now,
things that could yield a reprieved in the chaos that
I could yield some new possibilities, some new seeds, some
new shoots that you know, could give us some give
us some hope, and give us a path to tread,
but we definitely need to not let up on being
attentive to what's happening. So I thank everybody for your
support and I'll talk to you very soon.
Speaker 2: Bye bye,