WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.200 --> 00:00:05.040 You see, something's going to happen. 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:10.599 What's going to happen? 3 00:00:15.480 --> 00:00:22.719 What help? 4 00:00:24.440 --> 00:00:28.559 Welcome to the occult rejects this episode. I got a 5 00:00:28.559 --> 00:00:30.920 couple of rejects with us this morning, and we will 6 00:00:31.039 --> 00:00:34.479 this afternoon and we will be talking about the inniads 7 00:00:34.520 --> 00:00:39.280 with arrows. Very excited to cover this topic or this stuff. 8 00:00:39.880 --> 00:00:42.679 This was associated with the platinis. People haven't listened to 9 00:00:42.679 --> 00:00:45.439 my Platinus episode. I highly highly suggest to go listen 10 00:00:45.479 --> 00:00:47.799 to tons of info in there and you will hear 11 00:00:47.840 --> 00:00:50.520 about the indiads. But before we get to the guest, 12 00:00:50.719 --> 00:00:52.560 I'm going to introduce the other rejects on the show. 13 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:55.079 And today we got the lovely Lisa with us. What's 14 00:00:55.079 --> 00:00:56.719 going on? The cult reject mad scientist? 15 00:00:56.799 --> 00:00:58.240 How are you good? 16 00:00:58.079 --> 00:01:02.119 And thank you for inviting me on. Hey, fellow rejects. 17 00:01:02.719 --> 00:01:06.640 I'm very excited to hear about the indiods. I listened 18 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:10.319 to Nick's Platinus and so he touches about the idiods 19 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:13.200 and theirs uff. It's going to go deep down into it, 20 00:01:13.280 --> 00:01:16.200 So I'm very much looking forward to that. You can 21 00:01:16.200 --> 00:01:19.680 find me on Twitter, sois Lisa or a Cult Research 22 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:20.560 Institute dot org. 23 00:01:20.840 --> 00:01:24.840 Thank you awesome, Thank you very much. And Headless Giant, 24 00:01:24.840 --> 00:01:25.599 what is going on, sir? 25 00:01:25.760 --> 00:01:27.920 How will you you doing? 26 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:30.799 You can find me on Twitter and on x or 27 00:01:31.120 --> 00:01:33.040 x a Twitter, I guess they're the same thing. And 28 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:36.079 you can find me on YouTube. Look up the Headless 29 00:01:36.079 --> 00:01:40.560 Gai podcast. And I love the topic. Platinus is so 30 00:01:40.799 --> 00:01:46.239 influential in early Christian thought, you know, late antiquity thought, 31 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:48.840 and it's it's a really interesting bridge between the two. 32 00:01:48.959 --> 00:01:51.760 So I think this is going to be a great episode. 33 00:01:52.560 --> 00:01:55.239 So check me out. On Thursdays, me and Nick do 34 00:01:55.400 --> 00:01:58.120 a show where we read your occult email, So send 35 00:01:58.200 --> 00:02:01.000 them over to the Headless Guy Podcast gmail dot com 36 00:02:01.040 --> 00:02:03.280 and he will send you some stickers if you include 37 00:02:03.280 --> 00:02:07.879 your address, So that's great. Tomorrow we have the Trilogus 38 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:12.199 with Ethan and Ricardo, so check that out early in 39 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:15.159 the morning. And that's about it. 40 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:18.800 Thank you, yeah sending those sending those emails. I mean 41 00:02:18.840 --> 00:02:20.639 even at this point, you could be making up a 42 00:02:20.639 --> 00:02:22.960 fabricated story and you're gonna get free stickers out of it. 43 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:24.759 So I mean, just fucking said something at this point, 44 00:02:24.879 --> 00:02:30.199 Jesus Ethan Indigo, my man, what is going on? So 45 00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:30.759 how were you? 46 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:33.960 Thank you for making it thanks so much everyone. 47 00:02:34.120 --> 00:02:36.439 I'm honored to be here. Yeah, I'm excited for tomorrow 48 00:02:36.560 --> 00:02:40.639 doing the trialogue. I'm easy to find on social media 49 00:02:40.879 --> 00:02:44.800 and frequently share writing and so forth, and I've written 50 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:49.360 a couple of books. And Nick, yeah, props on your Platonius. 51 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:49.439 Show, and thank you. 52 00:02:49.479 --> 00:02:53.000 I'm excited to learn more about all this. Thanks for 53 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:53.960 being here at else. 54 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:57.159 Yeah, thank you for joining Ethan. I really appreciate it, 55 00:02:57.400 --> 00:02:58.960 really wanted you here. I figured this would be right 56 00:02:59.039 --> 00:03:01.280 up your rally as well, your kind of speed and 57 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:02.039 your style. 58 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:07.919 Of fascination anything numerological and it is. 59 00:03:09.759 --> 00:03:14.360 Awesome. And finally, Arrows, let everybody know what your deal 60 00:03:14.439 --> 00:03:16.000 is and where they can find your stuff. Please. 61 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:20.719 Yeah. Sure, So I'm Arrows Up. You can find me 62 00:03:20.840 --> 00:03:26.039 on Twitter, I think at Arrows Up Arrows to eat 63 00:03:26.120 --> 00:03:33.240 those on Twitter or x. And then I'm also on YouTube, 64 00:03:33.280 --> 00:03:37.759 where I've been going through the eniads and studying them 65 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:40.400 and presenting that. 66 00:03:42.039 --> 00:03:43.800 Yeah, I came across I can't even remember how I 67 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:46.879 came across your stuff. I don't know if maybe you 68 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:48.719 commented on a video and then I went and noticed 69 00:03:48.759 --> 00:03:50.560 that you had your own channel, but like somehow I 70 00:03:50.599 --> 00:03:51.960 came across you know, I was like, Yo, what's the 71 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:54.280 odds of this go like covering this stuff? Why I'm 72 00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:57.919 working on Platonis. I think I had even mentioned you 73 00:03:57.960 --> 00:03:59.560 and told you I was working on it. After it 74 00:03:59.599 --> 00:04:01.120 came out, I was like, I'd really like to have 75 00:04:01.159 --> 00:04:02.800 you on to cover the inniads. So it was like, 76 00:04:03.400 --> 00:04:05.360 it was even really weird how I even came across 77 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:07.960 you in the timing. So I was really excited to 78 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:09.960 finally get you on because I do think this stuff 79 00:04:10.759 --> 00:04:12.319 the ani ads from the stuff that I looked at 80 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:15.520 when I covered Platonis, there was some real, real deep 81 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:17.800 shit to me. And there's actually a lot of chapters 82 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:20.360 in there that are on topics that I think are 83 00:04:20.360 --> 00:04:22.800 actually very important. It's interesting to know that he does 84 00:04:22.879 --> 00:04:25.600 cover stuff on site. He does have a whole ch 85 00:04:25.959 --> 00:04:28.839 chapter that I think, you know, people are into the occult, 86 00:04:29.560 --> 00:04:31.720 you should read his chapter or narcissism. I think he 87 00:04:31.879 --> 00:04:38.560 has a solid solid point. But yeah, that's enough about that. Eros. 88 00:04:38.600 --> 00:04:42.680 What got you into I guess Platinus. I'm assuming it's Platonis. 89 00:04:42.720 --> 00:04:44.439 I don't know if it was Porphyry that or however 90 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:46.480 you say that guy's name that got you into the 91 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:48.839 Inniads because he wrote them. But you know, how did 92 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:51.759 you come across I guess the Aniads and Platonius and 93 00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:52.279 other stuff. 94 00:04:55.680 --> 00:05:01.600 A long journey, I guess, but what really, Like I 95 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:10.519 would say, initially, I was really into Taoism and Taro, 96 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:20.720 and I practiced astrology, and then I got into Thelema 97 00:05:20.759 --> 00:05:29.480 a little bit, and then just I guess, weirdly, Christian mysticism, 98 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:33.879 and I think that Christian mysticism is really what brought 99 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:39.680 me to Platinus. And I also wanted to say that, yeah, 100 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:42.319 I watched you guys religiously, like I've watched you guys 101 00:05:42.360 --> 00:05:44.959 for a long time, so I think I probably did 102 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:50.639 comment on something, and that's probably I think you're right 103 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:55.079 recalling those details. But yeah, I just wanted to thank 104 00:05:55.120 --> 00:06:01.519 you guys for continuously expanding my perception on things, and 105 00:06:02.319 --> 00:06:05.720 obviously the awesome guests that you have on as well. 106 00:06:07.079 --> 00:06:08.879 Thank you, Thank you. You know what I think it was. 107 00:06:08.920 --> 00:06:13.120 I think you commented on the premiere something about like 108 00:06:13.160 --> 00:06:15.000 you're excited for this. I was like, Oh, somebody actually 109 00:06:15.000 --> 00:06:17.600 knows who this guy is, you know, so when he 110 00:06:17.639 --> 00:06:19.160 clicked at his stuff, I was like, oh, she covers 111 00:06:19.160 --> 00:06:22.959 the eniots that is wild. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so uh 112 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:26.000 uh you mentioned Thelma. I had no idea about that. 113 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:29.240 Uh is is that kind of where? I mean? That 114 00:06:29.279 --> 00:06:31.399 brought you to Platinus in a sense as well. You 115 00:06:31.399 --> 00:06:36.040 were saying, is he one of the saints. 116 00:06:38.720 --> 00:06:39.519 Platinis? 117 00:06:39.600 --> 00:06:40.560 Yeah, he may not be. 118 00:06:41.560 --> 00:06:42.680 No, absolutely not. 119 00:06:43.839 --> 00:06:45.439 That would be kind of funny, that would be actually 120 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:47.399 hysterical if he became a Gnostic scene. 121 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:55.720 See, Augustine was very influenced by Platinists though, so, and 122 00:06:55.839 --> 00:06:59.279 he talked about about that in some of his writings. 123 00:06:59.360 --> 00:07:07.240 But Platinis is definitely not a saint. He probably would 124 00:07:07.279 --> 00:07:10.480 have been murdered by the Christians. 125 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:14.639 Well, see that was something you had interesting that you 126 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:17.399 mentioned before with a Lima and then you went straight 127 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:21.040 into Christianity or Fellos. Uh do you think there is 128 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:24.079 do you think there is a that's do you think 129 00:07:24.120 --> 00:07:29.160 that's in the Lima? 130 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:36.120 I think that there is a tie between Thurgy and 131 00:07:37.360 --> 00:07:42.360 uh neo Platonism. So maybe in that. 132 00:07:42.199 --> 00:07:45.360 Way I like that how you explained that, that's interesting? 133 00:07:46.040 --> 00:07:49.399 Yeah all right, so, uh we'll get into it. I 134 00:07:49.399 --> 00:07:52.079 guess I don't want to get too hung up on 135 00:07:52.120 --> 00:07:56.519 that on the Lima and stuff. So yeah, what what 136 00:07:56.519 --> 00:07:59.360 what did you pick and why to let people know 137 00:07:59.399 --> 00:08:00.439 what we're getting to here. 138 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:09.160 Yes, I wanted to focus a bit on are the tractate? 139 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:14.199 Are the stars causes? So that's any two track tate three, 140 00:08:14.600 --> 00:08:20.680 I believe, And I think it just really showcases some 141 00:08:20.759 --> 00:08:25.000 of his depth that maybe a lot of us don't 142 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:30.120 always get to see. So I'm really excited about that. 143 00:08:31.279 --> 00:08:33.080 And one thing I just wanted to add, maybe correct 144 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:34.720 me if I'm wrong, just for people were listening and 145 00:08:34.799 --> 00:08:37.919 may not have listened to the Latina's episode. Uh, these 146 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:41.600 were notes that were compiled by somebody else and put 147 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:42.759 him into the indiads. 148 00:08:42.799 --> 00:08:48.840 Correct, right, yep, Poor free his student went through the 149 00:08:49.000 --> 00:08:57.840 nads and he ordered them and published them. 150 00:08:57.879 --> 00:09:00.200 And if I even remember correctly, they put it in 151 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:02.360 an order that was kind of like some people question 152 00:09:02.480 --> 00:09:04.039 like why'd you do it like that? But isn't there 153 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:05.639 I think in one of his books, I think Poor 154 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:08.039 Forey actually lists like how if you wanted to do 155 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:09.919 it in order, there is an order that you could 156 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:11.559 do it in, but he just didn't put it out 157 00:09:11.559 --> 00:09:13.120 that way something like that. 158 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:20.039 Right, Yeah, that's right, And I think but I think 159 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:25.360 in general, you can really read any tractee independently. 160 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:30.080 Oh yeah, there's a thousand pages, so there must be 161 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:33.360 a lot of something in there. All right, So here 162 00:09:33.360 --> 00:09:36.200 I'll pull this up and we got sorry, what was 163 00:09:36.200 --> 00:09:40.559 this one again? On the stars? 164 00:09:40.679 --> 00:09:45.279 Yeah, yep, are the stars causes. So these are just 165 00:09:45.879 --> 00:09:50.559 some quotes from the Enyads to kind of give us 166 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:55.320 a teleological view and then also get our us thinking 167 00:09:55.720 --> 00:09:59.879 about some of these ideas that we're going to be covering. 168 00:10:04.799 --> 00:10:08.120 So one thing, one thing I did want to just 169 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:12.840 bring up real quick, or I could be wrong, because 170 00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:15.000 there's been a few people I've covered recently that felt 171 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:18.559 this way. Was he also in belief that these stars 172 00:10:18.559 --> 00:10:21.639 did not, like put you in a cage like they 173 00:10:21.679 --> 00:10:24.679 could influence, but they were not as said Destiny. Did 174 00:10:24.720 --> 00:10:25.799 he feel that way as well? 175 00:10:27.960 --> 00:10:29.440 Yeah, absolutely, like the. 176 00:10:32.799 --> 00:10:37.960 I didn't. Unfortunately, I feel like nowadays it's kind of 177 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:39.919 looked at it like that. I think a lot of 178 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:42.080 people who want to get into zodiacs are these woo 179 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:45.960 wool people. They putting you in shackles with the zodiac, 180 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:49.480 in my opinion, or they'll blame the zodiac when they're 181 00:10:49.519 --> 00:10:51.440 acting out. You know. 182 00:10:52.960 --> 00:10:55.519 Well, I think that's that's why it's so important is 183 00:10:55.559 --> 00:10:59.039 because he provides sort of a philosophy behind it. Instead 184 00:10:59.080 --> 00:11:01.320 of just saying, here's the stars, here's what they do, 185 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:05.279 he's actually making the distinction between these are the influences 186 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:08.000 and these are your actions. It sounds like they were 187 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:09.600 having the same problem back then as well. 188 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:11.159 Probably. 189 00:11:12.879 --> 00:11:19.159 Yeah, I think it's a it's a response to Plato's Timaeus, right, kiss. 190 00:11:19.240 --> 00:11:26.399 Plato did think of the planets as gods and of 191 00:11:26.480 --> 00:11:32.559 like having will themselves, and so it's kind of just 192 00:11:32.679 --> 00:11:38.240 a response to that and expressing his different opinion on that. 193 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:45.399 All right, so how did you what? Did you just 194 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:47.039 want to read through this and then we'll just talk 195 00:11:47.080 --> 00:11:50.440 on it what we think and stuff. That's good to me? 196 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:56.519 Well, yeah, I can just I'll just run through this 197 00:11:57.120 --> 00:12:00.919 and just feel free to stop ye at any time 198 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:04.000 for questions or if you want to provide an insight. 199 00:12:04.720 --> 00:12:06.720 All right, sounds good works for me. 200 00:12:08.440 --> 00:12:14.639 All right, bear with me through these quotes. But I 201 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:18.639 think that they're important because they really show the nuance 202 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:21.279 of the one and then just kind of some of 203 00:12:21.320 --> 00:12:27.679 these other ideas that are going to follow up from it. So, okay, 204 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:32.519 the one is perfect because it seeks nothing, has nothing 205 00:12:32.600 --> 00:12:37.159 and needs nothing, but instead it overflows, and this overflowing 206 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:42.120 is creative. The one perfect and full generates from its 207 00:12:42.159 --> 00:12:43.559 own super abundance. 208 00:12:44.759 --> 00:12:47.360 That sorry, sorry to jumping already, but I was like, 209 00:12:47.399 --> 00:12:51.600 totally Kabala right there. That's like Ketha. I actually use that. 210 00:12:51.919 --> 00:12:55.039 I used that quote in my episode. That's that's exactly. 211 00:12:55.039 --> 00:12:57.120 I love that quote. 212 00:12:57.279 --> 00:13:01.519 You know, I'm so much Kabbala. So that's interesting. 213 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:05.799 I was going to say, it's so Dallas. 214 00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:11.440 It's like almost directly in correspondence with the Eating or 215 00:13:12.600 --> 00:13:16.080 some other similar work, and in fact too that I 216 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:22.080 wanted to ask Erros what you mentioned that you're into Daoism, 217 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:25.559 What aspect of Daoism and did you find, I mean, 218 00:13:25.840 --> 00:13:30.519 other aspects of the Aeneods that may sound dallast or 219 00:13:30.919 --> 00:13:32.799 have Dallas elements. 220 00:13:33.799 --> 00:13:37.639 Yeah, I feel very far removed from Daoism now, you know. 221 00:13:37.960 --> 00:13:44.480 I studied all of that, like I don't know, close 222 00:13:44.559 --> 00:13:51.200 to eight ten years ago, and so you know, I 223 00:13:51.200 --> 00:13:54.120 only remember some of the big principles. I did a 224 00:13:54.120 --> 00:14:00.320 lot of tai chi back then. But the idea of 225 00:14:00.519 --> 00:14:05.000 kind of becoming one with the cosmos, I think that 226 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:12.000 definitely aligns to platinis like his ultimate teaching of returning 227 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:16.480 to the one. It's a very similar idea because it's 228 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:23.840 different than Yeah, it's different than Nirvana. So to say, 229 00:14:24.279 --> 00:14:28.759 I guess if you're to compare Buddhism in Daoism. 230 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:34.879 Are you familiar with the Eleatic school of philosophy with 231 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:37.919 Xeno's paradox and all the rest of that stuff like 232 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:43.000 five hundred BC and Greece. I'm not, well, that sounds 233 00:14:43.039 --> 00:14:45.679 like where he's getting this from. On nature, they talk 234 00:14:45.720 --> 00:14:49.480 about specifically how everything is an emanation from the one thing, 235 00:14:50.440 --> 00:14:52.279 and then they go through all of the gods and 236 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:55.440 how that that sort of relates back, and that that 237 00:14:55.559 --> 00:14:59.879 sort of ethos you could see through Plato and you know, 238 00:15:00.279 --> 00:15:03.799 all of his people and then right up into the Neoplatinust. 239 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:06.600 It's like, this was the surviving thread that seems to 240 00:15:07.559 --> 00:15:11.559 come through in Kabbalah, hermeticism, all that stuff. 241 00:15:12.399 --> 00:15:15.440 Yeah, all right, so we'll try it in the second one. 242 00:15:15.799 --> 00:15:17.600 I'll try to interrupt it again. 243 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:23.720 No, it's great, it's great. In the act of vision, 244 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:27.080 the seer and the scene are two, but here in 245 00:15:27.120 --> 00:15:30.399 the one they are not yet too. From this unity, 246 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:33.879 the vision is born, and with it the distinction of 247 00:15:34.159 --> 00:15:40.080 nowhere and known. Thus from the one arises multiplicity. All 248 00:15:40.120 --> 00:15:43.879 things are different from one another, because each draws from 249 00:15:43.919 --> 00:15:47.279 the one its own share, not as if divided, but 250 00:15:47.440 --> 00:15:51.159 as each, according to its nature, receives what it can. 251 00:15:51.720 --> 00:15:54.440 In this way, the one is present to all, yet 252 00:15:54.559 --> 00:16:00.000 each is distinct. The one overflowing produces something other than it's. 253 00:16:00.559 --> 00:16:04.720 This other turns back towards it and becomes intellect, containing 254 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:08.879 all things different within itself, yet unified by their origin. 255 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:13.159 If there were no one, there would be no number, 256 00:16:13.279 --> 00:16:16.919 but only non being. Because of the one, there are two, 257 00:16:17.480 --> 00:16:22.240 and so multiplicity. From unity, difference is born. But the 258 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:27.000 one itself remains without difference. And then the last one, 259 00:16:27.159 --> 00:16:31.480 intellect springing from the one, is the first to contain difference. 260 00:16:31.919 --> 00:16:35.159 It thinks itself, and in doing so it contains both 261 00:16:35.200 --> 00:16:38.399 the thinker and the thought, and the many beings which 262 00:16:38.399 --> 00:16:38.919 it knows. 263 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:42.919 Nice, you know a lot of that's still before you 264 00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:44.759 go on. I mean, it really doesn't remind me a 265 00:16:44.759 --> 00:16:48.480 lot of the Kabbalah. There was even one, the one overflowing, 266 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:52.240 producing something other than itself. This other turns back towards 267 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:55.240 it and becomes intellect. That right there even gave me 268 00:16:55.279 --> 00:16:58.360 the whole idea of Chokmah, because that's like coming face 269 00:16:58.399 --> 00:17:00.399 to face with God. And obviously, like if you're gonna 270 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:02.639 keep going down the tree, you're turning the yellow way 271 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:05.559 because of going up the tree, coming face to face, 272 00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:08.599 you know you're heading a different direction. So just a 273 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:11.079 lot of and even like recently, I think when I 274 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:15.119 was covering the Kabbalah, I had taken like a quote 275 00:17:15.160 --> 00:17:19.920 out of Gareth Knight's Cabalistics book, and it was very 276 00:17:20.000 --> 00:17:23.400 much like even describing how like Cather starts off and 277 00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:27.480 like everything exists due to Cather and everything that kind 278 00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:30.240 of was created falling from that. I mean, it's like 279 00:17:30.279 --> 00:17:32.759 the same thing you're hear and here you know, it's 280 00:17:32.799 --> 00:17:36.759 within everything. You know, even like in the Tree of Life, 281 00:17:36.799 --> 00:17:39.559 when you look at the four worlds of each sphere, 282 00:17:39.640 --> 00:17:42.680 there is like this the middle one, or this one 283 00:17:42.759 --> 00:17:44.519 right in the smallest one in the middle is supposed 284 00:17:44.519 --> 00:17:46.240 to be like the God essence or like the god 285 00:17:46.319 --> 00:17:50.680 idea of God in that sphere. And that's pretty much 286 00:17:50.759 --> 00:17:53.039 like how I feel like this is describing how it's 287 00:17:53.079 --> 00:17:56.559 in everything. Like even I think Platinus was saying that's 288 00:17:56.559 --> 00:17:59.759 why he didn't agree with the gnostics is because if 289 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:03.200 they existence, Scott is in there somewhere and it's not bad, 290 00:18:04.200 --> 00:18:06.680 you know what I'm saying. So it's within everything, you know, 291 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:10.039 It's very cabalistic to me. I like it. 292 00:18:12.880 --> 00:18:16.799 As well as the Emerald Tablet of thought. It's almost 293 00:18:17.119 --> 00:18:20.480 like one to one of the Emerald tablet there. 294 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:23.920 All right, even say, I'm like. 295 00:18:25.079 --> 00:18:28.799 I was going to say that this particular part of 296 00:18:28.960 --> 00:18:34.759 the one where these quotes are talking about it immediately 297 00:18:34.920 --> 00:18:37.480 brings me when it says the one, and it says 298 00:18:37.480 --> 00:18:40.480 the beginning, and it seeks nothing and it just interprets, 299 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:45.200 and then as it begins it turns into itself. It 300 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:50.640 reminds me of what the Pythagoras is used to represent 301 00:18:50.680 --> 00:18:54.119 the metaphysical being the monad which you have the circumpunked, 302 00:18:54.799 --> 00:18:58.720 and when you look at the circumpunked it looks like 303 00:18:59.000 --> 00:19:02.480 an eyeball with with the iris as the white part 304 00:19:03.079 --> 00:19:07.839 controlling the aperture of the pupil itself, and that that 305 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:13.680 is the representation or interpretation of reality. And as the 306 00:19:13.759 --> 00:19:18.759 pupil ingests the message of light or the message of 307 00:19:18.799 --> 00:19:22.720 the photons, it then turns into itself on the retina 308 00:19:23.039 --> 00:19:27.599 and then back into the actual optic nerve to interpret 309 00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:33.440 and begin the process of reality or begin the interpretation 310 00:19:34.079 --> 00:19:36.759 of reality. And that is at the beginning, but it 311 00:19:36.839 --> 00:19:41.400 also is at the end, so it's like an actual circle, 312 00:19:41.519 --> 00:19:44.119 like coming back to So it's you know, the one, 313 00:19:44.319 --> 00:19:46.559 we came from the one, and then we will return 314 00:19:46.720 --> 00:19:49.359 back to the one. And you see that kind of 315 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:53.400 like lay out in most of the quotes that you selected, 316 00:19:53.519 --> 00:19:54.880 So I just wanted to insert that. 317 00:19:57.759 --> 00:20:00.880 Yeah, that's awesome. I feel like that does tie into 318 00:20:01.240 --> 00:20:06.119 everything that we're going to be talking about. All right, 319 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:12.279 so all of these ideas are that. Then the one 320 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:17.240 pours out of itself to experience the multiplicity of existence 321 00:20:21.720 --> 00:20:26.960 almost like a it's based off of differentiation, so it's 322 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:33.400 almost like a constant state of gnosis or novelty producing. 323 00:20:36.039 --> 00:20:38.960 And so I like to tie it to this principle 324 00:20:39.000 --> 00:20:45.079 of chaos, and I think you'll see that. I think 325 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:52.640 uh Platinis does parallel that a bit. And this is 326 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:57.359 echoed in multiple creation stories. Right, It's like the orphic 327 00:20:57.519 --> 00:21:02.000 creation story. You know, you have the cosmic egg, which 328 00:21:02.039 --> 00:21:07.960 represents unity, and then Fames emerges and out of him 329 00:21:08.200 --> 00:21:15.640 multiplicity and ordered cosmos, and then the Egyptian creation story 330 00:21:15.720 --> 00:21:25.000 is similar. Sometimes like like there's this infinite potential and 331 00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:31.160 sometimes a like unified egg, and then from this egg 332 00:21:31.559 --> 00:21:37.960 arises a god or a creator, and out of them 333 00:21:38.440 --> 00:21:46.720 the multiplicity. And then Hermeticism as well, right, a primordial 334 00:21:47.119 --> 00:21:55.440 chaos identified with the mind, which brings awareness and order 335 00:21:55.519 --> 00:22:01.119 to what was previously undifferentiated. I feel like that's that 336 00:22:01.279 --> 00:22:04.559 exactly ties into what we're going to be talking about. 337 00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:12.240 From this differentiation and ordering, the cosmos becomes alive and structured, 338 00:22:12.519 --> 00:22:16.640 and all living beings emerge, each reflecting aspects of the 339 00:22:16.680 --> 00:22:27.279 original unity that was contained within the boundless chaos. Kay. 340 00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:36.400 And then that just brings it to you know, like, 341 00:22:36.559 --> 00:22:42.000 how is the one kind of represented in different schools 342 00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:46.039 of magic. I think it's kind of interesting to talk 343 00:22:46.079 --> 00:22:52.319 about how it's seen differently in different schools of thought. 344 00:22:52.599 --> 00:22:58.559 Like hermeticis believe that chaos is onto logical and that 345 00:22:58.599 --> 00:23:04.359 it's a fundamental nature of reality. It serves as the 346 00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:08.640 substrate from which all order, form and life emerge. The 347 00:23:08.759 --> 00:23:13.440 focus is as is on chaos as something to understand 348 00:23:13.480 --> 00:23:18.960 and align with rather than something to manipulate. But for 349 00:23:19.240 --> 00:23:25.799 chaos magicians, you know, they believe that this is like 350 00:23:25.960 --> 00:23:31.759 a primordial soup that can be shaped like a stem 351 00:23:31.839 --> 00:23:36.640 cell or a source of you know, creative potential. 352 00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:45.079 And about the electron, huh, what about the electron? So, 353 00:23:45.480 --> 00:23:49.200 for instance, if you think about photons, right, and the 354 00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:52.480 speed of light being the upward limit of the entire 355 00:23:52.720 --> 00:23:57.119 visible frame of reference. Right back to what Lisa was 356 00:23:57.160 --> 00:23:59.839 saying about, how the divine is sort of an emanation 357 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:02.880 that can be reflected in the way that we perceive 358 00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:06.480 the world, and so the upward limit of light would 359 00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:10.160 be the speed of light, and that sort of represents 360 00:24:10.160 --> 00:24:12.720 the god of this world because they can't imagine a 361 00:24:12.759 --> 00:24:16.000 place outside of the speed of light. You know, that's 362 00:24:16.279 --> 00:24:19.359 something that a lot of scientists have no idea what 363 00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:21.880 they're grappling with, but we do know that it exists. 364 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:25.880 So it's almost like the spiritual realm exists outside of 365 00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:28.200 the light world that we live in. That's like the 366 00:24:28.279 --> 00:24:32.599 upward limit that's Phani's again, is the god of light, 367 00:24:32.839 --> 00:24:33.759 and so from that. 368 00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:34.680 All things are emanated. 369 00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:38.079 It's almost like they're describing physics at the same time 370 00:24:38.119 --> 00:24:41.839 that they're making these poetic illustrations. 371 00:24:42.400 --> 00:24:43.039 I can see that. 372 00:24:43.279 --> 00:24:48.319 Yeah, that's so interesting too, because Platinus uses light as 373 00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:50.359 an analogy so often. 374 00:24:50.720 --> 00:24:53.799 Right, Yeah, that nil the grassy guy if I even 375 00:24:53.839 --> 00:24:56.440 say his day, Right, he came out with like he 376 00:24:56.559 --> 00:24:58.440 was saying some shit, what tied with his boy on 377 00:24:58.519 --> 00:25:03.519 some show, theorizing that the reason we can't go past 378 00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:05.240 the speed of light is because we're in a matrix, 379 00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:09.440 and then the program wouldn't be written. So that's why 380 00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:10.359 we can't go past it. 381 00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:15.759 Well, photons and electrons are the same thing. Their vibrations 382 00:25:16.000 --> 00:25:19.839 change the p everything would be well, you know, it's 383 00:25:19.880 --> 00:25:23.319 like the energy transfer from electron to photon is really easy, 384 00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:25.680 so there's there's something going on there. It's almost like 385 00:25:25.720 --> 00:25:29.599 that's the matrix of realities, all these little light particles 386 00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:30.559 vibrating together. 387 00:25:32.839 --> 00:25:34.480 I think it's like say it was like in the Sims. 388 00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:36.240 It's like you can't get to that room yet because 389 00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:36.960 it didn't make it. 390 00:25:38.599 --> 00:25:41.759 Yeah, the photons are going to be smaller than electrons, 391 00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:45.240 and photons do not have electrons, but they are the 392 00:25:45.319 --> 00:25:51.000 elementary particles. They're smaller than the fundamental particles. And so 393 00:25:51.119 --> 00:25:55.160 when you get a photon, it's like zero mass and 394 00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:57.920 it's like pure energy like there is it is its 395 00:25:57.960 --> 00:26:02.400 own you know message, there is nothing kind of that 396 00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:07.359 can change it its its own entity. But yeah, just 397 00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:07.799 a fire. 398 00:26:08.559 --> 00:26:10.119 I would also think if you went past the speed 399 00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:14.480 of light, wouldn't that just be into the darkness the 400 00:26:14.960 --> 00:26:17.359 light again, Well, if you went past light, where would 401 00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:18.079