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<v Speaker 1>Astonishing Legends Network.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Flashback Friday, and you know what that means. A

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<v Speaker 2>classic episode of Scared all the time's fan favorite bonus show,

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<v Speaker 2>New Fear Unlocked is out of the vault and on

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<v Speaker 3>This episode originally aired on Patreon September eleventh, twenty twenty five,

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<v Speaker 3>but is being played by you right now.

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<v Speaker 4>Disclaimer. This episode includes the usual amount of adult language

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<v Speaker 4>and graphic discussions you've come to expect around here, but

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<v Speaker 4>in the event it becomes an unusual amount, expect another

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<v Speaker 4>call from me.

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<v Speaker 5>You can't take a week. So it's not the Trump

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<v Speaker 5>with something half feightycent.

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<v Speaker 6>That which is.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, decent?

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<v Speaker 6>So when do a lime.

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<v Speaker 7>Bonus episode?

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<v Speaker 1>And the name new kind of show?

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<v Speaker 7>Did you read the post?

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<v Speaker 2>You know?

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<v Speaker 5>And now and now.

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<v Speaker 6>Hey everybody, Welcome back to New Fear Unlocked Video edition

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<v Speaker 6>in September.

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<v Speaker 7>Take two.

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<v Speaker 6>Take two, we're learning. You're seeing some new angles, a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of new angles, but some new angles, more of

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<v Speaker 6>Chris's face, a little bit more of my face. I'm

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<v Speaker 6>not completely hidden behind a microphone, not that I think

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<v Speaker 6>you're watching to uh see that good of a look

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<v Speaker 6>at us, but I do feel like it's a little

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<v Speaker 6>weird if one of us is looks human in the

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<v Speaker 6>other looks.

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<v Speaker 7>Like a just a fat guy.

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<v Speaker 6>I was gonna say a microphone stand.

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<v Speaker 7>But oh, because I'm the human one in this, you're

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<v Speaker 7>the human one.

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<v Speaker 6>So I'm holding the mic. Now we'll see how that works,

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<v Speaker 6>and hopefully I'm worried that if I'm holding it, I'm

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<v Speaker 6>going to crunch forward a lot because I'm reading off

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<v Speaker 6>the article here.

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<v Speaker 7>So I think it's a good time for people to

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<v Speaker 7>write in the comments that there is an audio medium,

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<v Speaker 7>that this is a supplemental aspect too. So yeah, because

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<v Speaker 7>you know what we're not. We don't have to play

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<v Speaker 7>these cameras. No one's going to be looking into our eyes.

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<v Speaker 7>They are still going to be driving, They're still going

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<v Speaker 7>to be.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I think we're going to play this sort of

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<v Speaker 6>fly on the wall style in the first version, first

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<v Speaker 6>first take the first episode, I was trying to look

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<v Speaker 6>at my at the audience a little bit no way,

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<v Speaker 6>but now I kind of feel like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 6>maybe that looked weird.

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<v Speaker 7>I can't do any of my legs, so it's like

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<v Speaker 7>I'm not trying to perform.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, well, we aren't here to discuss

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<v Speaker 6>our two cameras set up.

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<v Speaker 7>Which is the whole world has used three cameras. We

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<v Speaker 7>just don't have a third camera. We're already borrowing the

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<v Speaker 7>working on it.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, we're working on it. No, what we are here

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<v Speaker 6>to discuss today is a very concerning lifestyle creep that

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<v Speaker 6>I think we've just I know we've discussed on the

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<v Speaker 6>show before, the seed of this, which is the reborn doll. Oh. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>so in our Dolls episode with Dolls coming out soon.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, we'll have a link for that when it's us.

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<v Speaker 7>We're very excited to read it.

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<v Speaker 6>We discussed the horrifying world of reborn dolls, which for

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<v Speaker 6>the uninitiated.

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<v Speaker 7>Are stop right now and go listen to other episode

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<v Speaker 7>top right now and goes to that episode, because we're

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<v Speaker 7>not going to finish the sentence.

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<v Speaker 6>But the reborn dolls are these incredibly lifelike looking baby dolls.

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<v Speaker 7>I'll probably put one up on the screen around here.

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<v Speaker 6>That are theoretically created for women who are suffering sort

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<v Speaker 6>of lost. Yeah, then, and they need some kind of

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<v Speaker 6>a psychological anchor, yeah, tether to the world. But they've

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<v Speaker 6>become extremely popular with there are people who don't have

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<v Speaker 6>these problems and it's a little bit weird because the babies,

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<v Speaker 6>you just gotta go look them up, because if you've

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<v Speaker 6>never seen one of these, they are they are chillingly realistic,

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<v Speaker 6>but they're in that they're in the uncanny valley where

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<v Speaker 6>they seem dead eyed. You look at it and you're

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<v Speaker 6>like a bit.

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<v Speaker 7>And it's from a distance, you saw it in a stroller.

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<v Speaker 7>You're like, that's a real fucking baby. It would be

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<v Speaker 7>a very convincing, like on screen movie baby if it's

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<v Speaker 7>just over their shoulder.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah. I wonder why Clint Eastwood didn't use one in

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<v Speaker 6>American Sniper because that baby doll they had in that

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<v Speaker 6>movie was I never saw it five dollars baby doll.

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<v Speaker 6>And I know these existed back then.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, the baby think baby from Trainspotting on the Ceiling

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<v Speaker 7>is the baby I always go to for movie babies,

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<v Speaker 7>and that was terrifying. Yeah, couldn't use the reborn.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know if they had reborns for back then.

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<v Speaker 7>No, it's how they got the edge of train spotting.

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<v Speaker 6>But these reborn dolls are taking over social media in Brazil. Okay,

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<v Speaker 6>so I found an article that walks us through sort

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<v Speaker 6>of the weird spread of how these babies are getting

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<v Speaker 6>their toothless little mouths onto the women and I think

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<v Speaker 6>some men of Brazil. Okay, so this is from the

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<v Speaker 6>New York Times, a New York Times feeling New York Times,

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<v Speaker 6>but a much more reputable paper than most of the

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<v Speaker 6>dog shit that we website.

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<v Speaker 7>This for this lawyer's website.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, this article starts. A young woman posts a video

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<v Speaker 6>that appears to show her holding her baby Bento and

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<v Speaker 6>packing his bag for a trip to the hospital. She

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<v Speaker 6>calls it one of the busiest and scariest days for me,

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<v Speaker 6>So right off the top, that's why you're here scared.

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<v Speaker 6>She's scared, She's scared.

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<v Speaker 7>He here first after the New York Times.

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<v Speaker 6>She grabs onesies, a bottle in medical documents and tucks

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<v Speaker 6>him Bento in the back of a car. At the hospital,

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<v Speaker 6>he's weighed and lies in a bed where she removes

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<v Speaker 6>his pacifier, bottle feeds him and wipes a few drops

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<v Speaker 6>of formula from his cheek. But this was not an

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<v Speaker 6>actual medical emergency. It was role playing by a content creator,

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<v Speaker 6>and the baby was not a real baby. It was

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<v Speaker 6>a shockingly lifelike doll called a reborn doll, which as

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<v Speaker 6>we just mentioned, is handcrafted to look and feel like

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<v Speaker 6>a baby.

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<v Speaker 7>Sure this might see some of these medical papers she

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<v Speaker 7>had for that she scooped up.

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<v Speaker 6>This video received more than sixteen million views on TikTok.

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<v Speaker 6>It's doing better than us, and is it doing way

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<v Speaker 6>better than us? Maybe that's what we need.

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<v Speaker 7>Is we need to have a reborn with her.

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<v Speaker 6>I get my real baby.

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<v Speaker 7>I just made that little baby outfit too.

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<v Speaker 6>Ed made a good scared all the time onesie for

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<v Speaker 6>Felix in his trip to Greece. But maybe we need

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<v Speaker 6>a fake Felix.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, for the show, we'll see a reborn. We'll sponsor.

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<v Speaker 7>It's probably not have the two episodes we've talked on them.

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<v Speaker 6>But probably not. This video over see more than sixty

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<v Speaker 6>million views on TikTok, and it's part of a social

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<v Speaker 6>media craze. It has turned into a cultural and political

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<v Speaker 6>flashpoint in Brazil.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 6>Widely circulated videos show women taking hyper realistic dolls to

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<v Speaker 6>the park and strollers, celebrating their birthdays with cake and songs,

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<v Speaker 6>and simulating childbirth, which depending on how well simulated. I

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<v Speaker 6>feel like there's some crimes being committed just to set

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<v Speaker 6>up the simulation.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Fuck yeah, I guess. I'm

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<v Speaker 7>sure we can google that, but I don't want to.

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<v Speaker 6>If you put a reborn baby doll inside someone into

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<v Speaker 6>your own womb, I guess it's maybe not a crime.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know. I mean how the body works. So

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<v Speaker 7>I imagine if I had to do it, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 7>guess I would take the head off the baby, put

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<v Speaker 7>that in the vagina, get that shot on camera, then

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<v Speaker 7>cut to the whole thing being taken out, so you

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<v Speaker 7>have the like crowning if we're making the movie of

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<v Speaker 7>this person's reborn doll. Yeah, you get the crowning. Hard

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<v Speaker 7>cut too full baby, because I don't know why you're

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<v Speaker 7>putting the legs and everything in there.

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<v Speaker 6>This reminds me of a I have this memory.

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<v Speaker 7>Discussion we should never have public.

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<v Speaker 6>I have this memory of being at my friend's house

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<v Speaker 6>in like seventh grade and flipping through the channels and

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<v Speaker 6>we passed like a medical documentary or miracle of life

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<v Speaker 6>you'll see, and I as we flip past it, I

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<v Speaker 6>swear to God, this baby there was a woman like

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<v Speaker 6>giving birth and the baby like like shot out. Oh

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<v Speaker 6>this and I but I'd never seen a baby being

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<v Speaker 6>thought babies had momentum welling out.

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<v Speaker 7>I just had drinks with a friend of ours, yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>who recently had a baby, and they mentioned that their

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<v Speaker 7>baby shot out.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh okay, so this happened in that.

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<v Speaker 7>They were very concerned that the nurse on the radio

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<v Speaker 7>or whomever it was who was there to they barely

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<v Speaker 7>reacted in time like they catch the baby. They said,

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<v Speaker 7>the baby flipped one time, like flipped forward like a

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<v Speaker 6>This seems like an even more poorly remembered memory than mine,

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<v Speaker 6>because now this this sounds like a Naruto.

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<v Speaker 7>Baby with those weapons arms dude, like running out.

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<v Speaker 6>Damn.

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<v Speaker 7>But yeah, because they were like, is this person about

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<v Speaker 7>the drop my child around? Because it shot out so aggressively.

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<v Speaker 6>You want to see you want to see the champagne

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<v Speaker 6>acting that way, not the baby.

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<v Speaker 7>You know they don't want But I'm just saying that

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<v Speaker 7>maybe that's a thing. That's why they caught it on TLC.

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<v Speaker 7>And then this person just the other day was like, yoh,

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<v Speaker 7>fucking fire out of my wife.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah no, that's I mean, that's good to know that

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<v Speaker 6>I saw something that was accurate. I guess it was not.

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<v Speaker 6>When Felix was born, he shot nowhere. He was a

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<v Speaker 6>very slow He's just dripped out one at a time.

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<v Speaker 6>A few of these women even simulate the dolls having

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<v Speaker 6>a nosebleed or potty training, which, again, where are we

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<v Speaker 6>getting this blood ship? Where are we getting this ship?

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<v Speaker 6>I assume it's probably not. Maybe they're just using like

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<v Speaker 6>brownies and ketchup or something.

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<v Speaker 7>I would hope, But.

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<v Speaker 6>Then you go, I don't know how easy is to

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<v Speaker 6>clean these things. They're very realistic, but that I don't

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<v Speaker 6>know what the actual I mean, they kind of look

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<v Speaker 6>like vinyly some of them.

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<v Speaker 7>Or Yeah, I don't know what their texture is, and

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<v Speaker 7>I don't honestly want to find out.

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<v Speaker 6>No, I touching them has gotta be well. I think

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<v Speaker 6>maybe that's part of what I I've talked before about

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<v Speaker 6>how I hate the idea of touching a smurf. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>because they feel they feel like they'd be dolphin skin,

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<v Speaker 6>and I feel like these babies have similar there's a

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<v Speaker 6>quote here. Yeah, the ones I like the most are

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<v Speaker 6>the newborns, said Juliana Drew's todd. I mean, if you

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<v Speaker 6>look at this photo, we'll put this photo up. These

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<v Speaker 7>Oh, the one in the back is like unless it

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<v Speaker 6>That one's in daycare. And this one on the side here.

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<v Speaker 7>It just came out of just came just flew out,

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<v Speaker 7>just dripped out, popped through. But the one in the back,

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<v Speaker 7>so the baby, I don't because it's you buy the

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<v Speaker 7>the back, and you're just like drag and its legs

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<v Speaker 7>and shit across it.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it looks like just a bratty child that you

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, but it's also big enough. That's the practicing they're

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<v Speaker 7>doing it, just punishing, but it's also fast the corner.

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<v Speaker 7>It's just big enough that people will judge you if

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>So.

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<v Speaker 6>Juliana Drew's Magri thirty six, lives in Kurtiba, the capital

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<v Speaker 6>of the Brazilian state of Piranha, and works in human resources.

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<v Speaker 6>She said she began collecting the dolls in twenty eighteen

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<v Speaker 6>and now has twenty two dolls. Twenty two dolls, which

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<v Speaker 6>still has that one job, which is twenty it's a

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<v Speaker 7>She's resourceful in collecting humans.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, the world of Make Believes is an escape valve

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<v Speaker 6>for me, she said. And no, I don't treat it

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<v Speaker 6>like a real baby. Oh okay, so that's good or bad?

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<v Speaker 6>Someone brought that up. You were pretty you had that

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<v Speaker 6>in the ready. Yeah, you had that reply and a holster.

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<v Speaker 6>The dolls have flooded into pop culture. They were featured

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<v Speaker 6>this month in an episode of valet Tudo, a primetime telenovella,

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<v Speaker 6>and a rap song trending on social media about a

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<v Speaker 6>gang that walks down the street quote kicking reborn dolls okay,

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<v Speaker 6>which raises a lot of questions about we're gonna have

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<v Speaker 6>to have them on what this gang is kicking usually.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, yeah, they are. They so mad at the

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<v Speaker 7>reborn doll craze. They're just gonna kick reborn dollands dolls

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<v Speaker 7>into a sewer or they like normally kicking. Now, they

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<v Speaker 7>wrote a song about how mad it is that they

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<v Speaker 7>get tricked all the time.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean, I guess we come from a culture

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<v Speaker 6>where certain segments of the population like burn their shoes

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<v Speaker 6>and stuff to show that they're mad. So it's possible

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<v Speaker 6>that this gang just doesn't like these reborn dolls.

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<v Speaker 7>I think there it's encroaching on their I'm never gonna

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<v Speaker 7>look it up.

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<v Speaker 6>Maybe they're mad because you can't as easily traffic drugs

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<v Speaker 6>in them.

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<v Speaker 7>If you'd be more easily traffic drugs and a reborn

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<v Speaker 7>doll than a real newborn, well, I was just filled

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<v Speaker 7>a baby with drugs.

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<v Speaker 6>I was saying. I was thinking more like in the movies,

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<v Speaker 6>you always see like a really cheap looking baby doll

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<v Speaker 6>that's filled up with cocaine or something, and these seem

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<v Speaker 6>probably harder to You can't just cut them open.

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<v Speaker 7>No, you might be able to, but I think your

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<v Speaker 7>bottom line takes a hit because they definitely cost more

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<v Speaker 7>than just like a cabbage batch dog.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's true. That's true. This is why you're the

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<v Speaker 6>business half of this equation. That's also why we operated

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<v Speaker 6>a loss newspaper Calmness. Influencers and lawmakers have all weighed

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<v Speaker 6>in with varying degrees of sincerity about what some perceive

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<v Speaker 6>as a threat to the social order and what others

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<v Speaker 6>have described as a harmless hobby. In the northwestern Brazilian

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<v Speaker 6>state of Amazonas, one lawmaker Yao Luise recently carried one

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<v Speaker 6>of the dolls into the legislature and argued without evidence

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<v Speaker 6>that some women have been demanding public benefits.

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<v Speaker 7>From there we go, and I can I see that

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<v Speaker 7>happening here soon.

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<v Speaker 6>His colleague Joanna Dark also voiced concern. Quote, you can't

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<v Speaker 6>just force a doctor in a hospital, for example, to

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<v Speaker 6>treat a reborn doll as if it were a child,

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<v Speaker 6>which is a living being.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, this is like on the floor, show me the

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<v Speaker 7>fucking litter boxes. That's what this is the situation here.

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<v Speaker 6>You think this is a rumor more than a real this.

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<v Speaker 7>No, this is a political stance to like.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I mean this is this next? This is her

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<v Speaker 6>next political.

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<v Speaker 7>Stunt, no different than here with the like kids want

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<v Speaker 7>to be they identify as a cat.

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<v Speaker 6>The next quote is literally that you can't force a

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<v Speaker 6>teacher to accept a child in a daycare center because

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<v Speaker 6>the person wants the reborn doll to start, which is

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<v Speaker 6>basically you can't put a litter box in it.

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<v Speaker 7>No, or but I just think that, like, Okay, show

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<v Speaker 7>me one example of that happening.

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<v Speaker 6>She asked, where would it end with people taking reborn

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<v Speaker 6>pets to the veterinarian to be neutered.

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<v Speaker 7>This is exactly the same argument. This is exactly the

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<v Speaker 7>same argument they're making here.

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<v Speaker 6>What's next, We're gonna marry dogs?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, this is this. They're using the same stupid straw

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<v Speaker 7>man argument for the like same thing with like gender stuff. Here.

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<v Speaker 6>In what looked like a bit of trolling, the official

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<v Speaker 6>social media account of Kreetiva warned the quote mothers of

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<v Speaker 6>reborn dolls not to sit in the yellow seats on

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<v Speaker 6>city buses reserved for pregnant women. Quote reborns are cute,

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<v Speaker 6>but they don't guarantee a place in the yellow seat. Okay.

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<v Speaker 6>The post read, Okay, well look that I'll I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 6>for not taking those seats. I'm also for this seems

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<v Speaker 6>more like something the way that somebody might try to

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<v Speaker 6>some This seems like something it might have actually happened.

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<v Speaker 7>But I don't think it's like if you have the

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<v Speaker 7>thing is for sure not happen.

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<v Speaker 6>If you had a reborn doll in Los Angeles, I

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<v Speaker 6>would absolutely keep one on standby to use the carpool lane.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, but I mean that's like a Larry David thing

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<v Speaker 7>to do. But I'm just saying that they is that

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<v Speaker 7>on curve He didn't some people do the blow up

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<v Speaker 7>doll thing. I think he just got a prostitute to

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<v Speaker 7>get in hov lane. No reason. But you would also

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<v Speaker 7>wouldn't see this in Los Angeles because America doesn't have

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<v Speaker 7>a yellow seat. There's no like pregnant Lady special seats.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, well you wouldn't see this in America. I'm just

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<v Speaker 6>saying this is more believable to me that maybe, oh

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<v Speaker 6>people used reborn dolls to try to sit on a

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<v Speaker 6>bus seat.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, nobody's doing any other thing except for the mentally ill.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>In defense of the dolls, the Rio de Jannio City

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<v Speaker 6>Council proved a proposal to make September fourth Reborn or

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<v Speaker 6>in Stork Day. Okay, that's holiday honoring the artisans who

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<v Speaker 6>make the dolls.

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<v Speaker 7>This is now, This is now. The political gauntlet's been

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<v Speaker 7>thrown here, but.

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<v Speaker 6>Now the political gauntlet gets thrown back the other way.

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<v Speaker 7>Shit.

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<v Speaker 6>The mayor of Rio de Janeiro Eduardo Payees vetoed the proposal, saying, quote,

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<v Speaker 6>with all due respect to those interested, this isn't happening.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, I'm I'm super for that. Actually, I mean

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<v Speaker 7>i will say it's a day.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 7>No, that's a silly day.

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<v Speaker 6>It's honor the people who make them.

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<v Speaker 7>But as is Reborn, a Brazilian company, that's probably not.

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<v Speaker 7>If it's not, then that's insane. If you were in Soul,

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<v Speaker 7>Korea right now and you're like, we're gonna have a

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<v Speaker 7>day on day, yeah, or like honoring the fucking peanut

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<v Speaker 7>M and M people.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, but the manufacturers of the pena eminem.

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<v Speaker 7>But I also have never I've never looked into like

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<v Speaker 7>international days is always like the International Day of Donuts,

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<v Speaker 7>International Day of hot dog skin. Yeah, It's like I've

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<v Speaker 7>never been in another country for that to be like,

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<v Speaker 7>are you guys also or is this just like a

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<v Speaker 7>weird marketing thing in America for stuff?

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<v Speaker 6>Every day is a day somewhere exactly. At least thirty

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<v Speaker 6>bills have been filed in legislative houses across the country

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<v Speaker 6>to bar the dolls from receiving services in public health facilities.

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<v Speaker 6>Again according to the public records.

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<v Speaker 7>Again performative bills. I'm you could submit it and then

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<v Speaker 7>it's not going to get voted in. Yeah, we're enacted.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm kind of surprised. I feel like when they said

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<v Speaker 6>that that they were concerned about the dolls receiving public services.

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<v Speaker 6>I was thinking more like their conspiracy was that women

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<v Speaker 6>were trying to file like welfare claims for yeah baby,

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<v Speaker 6>like the case, Yeah I have two children, I have

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<v Speaker 6>a two child tax credit.

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<v Speaker 7>Or benefits for three children.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, But there appears to have just been one documented

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<v Speaker 6>case if a woman with a psychiatric disorder showing up

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<v Speaker 6>at a hospital to seek treatment for her doll, only

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<v Speaker 6>to be turned away at the entrance.

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<v Speaker 7>What did I say?

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<v Speaker 6>Most bill most of the bills have been introduced by

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<v Speaker 6>members of right wing parties.

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<v Speaker 7>There you go, I seem like an idiot, but I

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<v Speaker 7>can fucking see ship for what it is, like shit

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<v Speaker 7>like this.

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<v Speaker 6>It's nice to know every country does this.

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<v Speaker 7>Well every country now, but like, yeah, it is a

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<v Speaker 7>well there's essentral like a media literacy thing that we

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<v Speaker 7>all need to just go. This is bullshit.

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<v Speaker 6>This also feels a bit this sort of political back

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<v Speaker 6>in fighting whatever feels like an American export.

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<v Speaker 7>Straw man arguments with a strong man like leader stuff,

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<v Speaker 7>so you know, they it's very like performative bill shit.

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<v Speaker 7>But I will say this, I wonder my last question

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<v Speaker 7>on this, which we don't have answers to, is it

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<v Speaker 7>seems like there's been a decrease in births and population

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<v Speaker 7>stuff across the Western world. And I do wonder also

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<v Speaker 7>Eastern because yeah, and so I do wonder if it's

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<v Speaker 7>part of that, like it's part and parcel also with

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<v Speaker 7>like low birth rate. Now we've got these cat lady.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, it's part and parcel with it's fucking it's expensive

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<v Speaker 6>to Oh, it's fucking expensive to have a kid. I

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<v Speaker 6>mean now granted I have a kid in a very

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<v Speaker 6>high cost of living area. Yes, but I'm sure you know,

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<v Speaker 6>all around the world, all the prices for all this

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<v Speaker 6>stuff's going up. So I think there is probably no

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<v Speaker 6>small degree of women who feel like they want a

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<v Speaker 6>baby and just can't fucking afford one, but they can

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<v Speaker 6>shell out two grand for a really good looking doll

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<v Speaker 6>in that like it's I mean, it's incredibly sad, but

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<v Speaker 6>it but it, you know, helps it helps them feel

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<v Speaker 6>more complete or whatever.

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<v Speaker 7>And I just was talking to my buddy. His name

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<v Speaker 7>I won't mention right now, but like he was just

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<v Speaker 7>complaining to me about like how they want a third kid. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>he was like, the second one has already just become

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<v Speaker 7>such a burden financially and they haven't even gone into

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<v Speaker 7>like the real schooling payment stuff. And he's like, it's

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<v Speaker 7>already bad enough that you got to fly and pay

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<v Speaker 7>the three tickets. Yeah, it's and it's or sort of

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<v Speaker 7>the movies or do whatever.

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<v Speaker 6>It sucks to think, but.

430
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<v Speaker 7>They want the third kid badly because they're both one

431
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<v Speaker 7>of three, and they were just like, we want it.

432
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<v Speaker 7>We loved our dynamic growing up. But they're like we

433
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<v Speaker 7>and they do well.

434
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<v Speaker 6>I'm one of they do well, and I wish I

435
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<v Speaker 6>had never been born.

436
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<v Speaker 7>So yeah, but they do well financially. And I'm saying,

437
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<v Speaker 7>we are living in this world, you know where they

438
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<v Speaker 7>do polls, which is like how many kids you know

439
00:20:09.079 --> 00:20:11.559
<v Speaker 7>do you want? And people say, I want three kids,

440
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<v Speaker 7>And then the second question is how many kids do

441
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<v Speaker 7>you think you can have? And people always just go one.

442
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I mean I really in the modern era, Yeah,

443
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<v Speaker 6>unless you really make a lot of money or you

444
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<v Speaker 6>live in a very low cost of living area. I mean,

445
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<v Speaker 6>I can't imagine having more than one kid, honestly. I

446
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<v Speaker 6>mean two kids maybe, but everything becomes So we're dealing

447
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<v Speaker 6>with flying with Felix right now, and he's still young

448
00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:41.039
<v Speaker 6>enough to sit in our lapse, but that's becoming an

449
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<v Speaker 6>issue because he doesn't want to sit still. But the

450
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<v Speaker 6>only other option is buy him a seat on an airplane.

451
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<v Speaker 6>So suddenly a family trip is now a twenty five

452
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<v Speaker 6>hundred dollars round trip to these coasts.

453
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<v Speaker 7>Yeah. I mean even back when we were kids, you know,

454
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<v Speaker 7>my family only took one family vacation ever, and I

455
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<v Speaker 7>can only imagine that, No, we flew, and I can

456
00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:04.680
<v Speaker 7>only imagine like what the drain was. And then back then,

457
00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:07.559
<v Speaker 7>you know, money went a lot further. Yeah, but still

458
00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:09.160
<v Speaker 7>it's like and then, you know, I'm sure we have

459
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<v Speaker 7>listeners who are like, I have thirty eight kids and

460
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<v Speaker 7>it's fine, but yeah.

461
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<v Speaker 6>My sister has ah has eight kids, maybe nine someday.

462
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<v Speaker 7>If there's nine, what are you doing but.

463
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<v Speaker 6>Starting a farm? I think, yeah, I will.

464
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<v Speaker 7>Say I have a lot of farm friends Becky's too,

465
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<v Speaker 7>who like, yeah, they do have big families. Let's have

466
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<v Speaker 7>free labor.

467
00:21:24.599 --> 00:21:27.440
<v Speaker 6>But I mean, and in her case, they're very much

468
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<v Speaker 6>a part of the Catholic community and they're really I mean,

469
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<v Speaker 6>you do see the benefit of the it takes a

470
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<v Speaker 6>village kind of thing where you know, there is a

471
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<v Speaker 6>lot of free work or labor put in by babysitters

472
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<v Speaker 6>or the church or people driving people, but it's all

473
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<v Speaker 6>no one's keeping tabs and going, oh, i've you know,

474
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<v Speaker 6>it's just part of how you live and raise a family,

475
00:21:49.279 --> 00:21:51.240
<v Speaker 6>and there's there is something nice about that, but it

476
00:21:51.279 --> 00:21:54.960
<v Speaker 6>is it becomes a huge, a huge burden at a

477
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<v Speaker 6>certain point.

478
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<v Speaker 7>That's why I always get annoyed when I see the

479
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<v Speaker 7>or like I agree with when I see the things

480
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<v Speaker 7>that I'm annoyed by what brings about but the lake.

481
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<v Speaker 7>Everybody says it takes a village. Unless that village is

482
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<v Speaker 7>like snap benefits or welfare or like, unless the village

483
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<v Speaker 7>is provided by taxpayers, then all of a sudden you're

484
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<v Speaker 7>on your own, right. That's that's so fucking greasy. But anyway,

485
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<v Speaker 7>we're talking about these these realistic dolls.

486
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<v Speaker 6>VV Laurencini, an actress from Kuritiba thirty years old, has

487
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<v Speaker 6>been making reborn dolls, makings bespoke since twenty twenty, including

488
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<v Speaker 6>some for the Brazilian productions of Wicked and Matilda. My

489
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<v Speaker 6>life has turned into chaos with this boom, she said,

490
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<v Speaker 6>referring to the frenzy around the dolls. It's been good

491
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<v Speaker 6>exposure in this sense, but it's an exposure that is

492
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<v Speaker 6>causing so much stress.

493
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<v Speaker 7>Well.

494
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, people are kicking your creations.

495
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<v Speaker 7>Down, Yeah, and writing songs about about it.

496
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<v Speaker 6>Camilla.

497
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<v Speaker 7>There's like TikTok challenges probably.

498
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, TikTok challenge, break into this woman's house and steal

499
00:22:50.240 --> 00:22:54.559
<v Speaker 6>her reborn dolls, yeah, Camilla and Fanger, a doctoral candidate

500
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<v Speaker 6>in political science at the University of South Paulo, said

501
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<v Speaker 6>there had been a noticeable difference in the response to

502
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<v Speaker 6>hobbies associated with women and those associated with men. Because

503
00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:05.519
<v Speaker 6>women are doing it and women are the principal actors

504
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<v Speaker 6>in this, it's been stigmatized differently, she said, adding that

505
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<v Speaker 6>the backlash was quote just another way to regulate women's lives.

506
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<v Speaker 7>I agree with that.

507
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<v Speaker 6>It does. It does sound that way, yeah, but also.

508
00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:16.960
<v Speaker 7>But also, don't do this.

509
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<v Speaker 6>Don't do this just like I can.

510
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<v Speaker 7>There can be it's weird, it can be mutually exclusive,

511
00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:24.799
<v Speaker 7>like we can agree that this tactic is that. Yeah,

512
00:23:24.839 --> 00:23:27.519
<v Speaker 7>but we can also agree this is in a response

513
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<v Speaker 7>to something.

514
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<v Speaker 6>It's the girl version of carrying around an AR fifteen

515
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<v Speaker 6>in public. I think it's that it's like I look

516
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<v Speaker 6>at that and go, this is weird. Why are you

517
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<v Speaker 6>doing this?

518
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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I mean that's probably they're both costplaying at that point. Yeah,

519
00:23:40.799 --> 00:23:43.119
<v Speaker 7>they're both at one's costplaying as a parent, one's costplaying

520
00:23:43.160 --> 00:23:44.279
<v Speaker 7>as like a soldier.

521
00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:46.640
<v Speaker 6>And they're both filling a void. One is lonely and

522
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<v Speaker 6>the other is a coward.

523
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<v Speaker 7>So I will say I own more guns than I

524
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<v Speaker 7>own reborns.

525
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<v Speaker 6>For sure, But I'm just saying exactly. I think I

526
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<v Speaker 6>think that's sort of the it's the look some people

527
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<v Speaker 6>need to heal. But there is something these dolls. Again.

528
00:24:01.240 --> 00:24:04.359
<v Speaker 6>Part of my pushback against these dolls is they just

529
00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:07.440
<v Speaker 6>it feels like carrying around a dead body. Basically, it

530
00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:09.559
<v Speaker 6>feels like carrying around something that.

531
00:24:09.759 --> 00:24:12.119
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, you're not wrong that you're just like, that's why

532
00:24:12.119 --> 00:24:13.799
<v Speaker 7>you got to make them bleed every once in a while.

533
00:24:14.240 --> 00:24:14.759
<v Speaker 7>They're alive.

534
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah. The dolls this article tells us have been around

535
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<v Speaker 6>since the nineteen nineties, when people started stripping the paint

536
00:24:20.519 --> 00:24:23.720
<v Speaker 6>and hair off of store bought vinyl dolls and painstakingly

537
00:24:23.759 --> 00:24:26.920
<v Speaker 6>reworking them to be more lifelike, and the interest in

538
00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:31.039
<v Speaker 6>them is not limited to Brazil. Dave Stack of Cleveland,

539
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<v Speaker 6>the owner of reborns, an online marketplace for reborn dolls,

540
00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:36.079
<v Speaker 6>which I believe that's the website and.

541
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<v Speaker 7>We went to to look at those monstrous things, said he'd.

542
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<v Speaker 6>Seen a slow and steady increase in sales since he

543
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<v Speaker 6>started the site in twenty twelve. He now sells forty

544
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<v Speaker 6>to sixty dollars per day, up from about ten per

545
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<v Speaker 6>day five years ago.

546
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<v Speaker 7>But he's a reseller, though he's not like I imagine.

547
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<v Speaker 7>You can also buy things from reborn, Yes, but you

548
00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:58.440
<v Speaker 7>can go to him and be like the site we went,

549
00:24:58.480 --> 00:25:00.880
<v Speaker 7>he's are slightly selling site. I think these have been

550
00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:03.000
<v Speaker 7>wheeled around in the strollery. Yeah, these have been kicked

551
00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:04.279
<v Speaker 7>down the street. Yeah.

552
00:25:04.839 --> 00:25:07.440
<v Speaker 6>Most costs around two hundred to two hundred and fifty dollars

553
00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:10.680
<v Speaker 6>and are made of vinyl. Okay, well, a few limited

554
00:25:10.759 --> 00:25:13.359
<v Speaker 6>edition dollars made of softer silicone have sold for more

555
00:25:13.400 --> 00:25:15.799
<v Speaker 6>than four thousand dollars. You want a soft baby, you

556
00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:17.640
<v Speaker 6>do want a soft baby. You don't want a vinyl baby.

557
00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:19.680
<v Speaker 7>You don't want a baby made from melted down records.

558
00:25:19.880 --> 00:25:23.960
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, if you put this baby on a turntable, you

559
00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:28.079
<v Speaker 6>can hear the sounds of the strokes. Percentage of the

560
00:25:28.119 --> 00:25:30.640
<v Speaker 6>dolls are purchased by mothers who are grieving the loss

561
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<v Speaker 6>of a child.

562
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<v Speaker 7>Which, by the way, I'm not trying to hurt the

563
00:25:33.400 --> 00:25:36.480
<v Speaker 7>reborn business. Yeah, but I almost kind of feel like

564
00:25:36.720 --> 00:25:40.759
<v Speaker 7>it should have pretty early on been like a what

565
00:25:40.759 --> 00:25:42.079
<v Speaker 7>do they call that thing where you're allowed to bring

566
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<v Speaker 7>your fucking dog on a plane.

567
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<v Speaker 6>Annoying, Yeah, but I'm saying.

568
00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:49.079
<v Speaker 7>Like people always abuse it. Oh oh whatever animal.

569
00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:51.880
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, your mental health or your service animal.

570
00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:54.759
<v Speaker 7>Yeah. I almost feel like this should I imagine I

571
00:25:54.759 --> 00:25:57.640
<v Speaker 7>would like to think you have to submit some sort

572
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<v Speaker 7>of paperwork to get the service animal like recognition, like

573
00:26:01.319 --> 00:26:03.119
<v Speaker 7>hey you know, hey, you can't bring that on here.

574
00:26:03.119 --> 00:26:04.559
<v Speaker 7>It's like, well, actually have a dope for my doctor.

575
00:26:04.759 --> 00:26:06.440
<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah you do. But those are really easy to.

576
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<v Speaker 7>Get, That's what I'm saying. It seemed very like scammy,

577
00:26:08.920 --> 00:26:11.200
<v Speaker 7>But I almost feel like rebirth should have that same

578
00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:13.720
<v Speaker 7>level of like one extra step, yeah, where it's like, hey,

579
00:26:13.720 --> 00:26:15.920
<v Speaker 7>I had to submit it's like medical.

580
00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:17.799
<v Speaker 6>Marijuana, like the way it used to be. People just

581
00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:20.079
<v Speaker 6>want it, But hey, you gotta go through the hoop

582
00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:22.759
<v Speaker 6>at least of saying that you have a macular degeneration.

583
00:26:23.079 --> 00:26:24.519
<v Speaker 7>You got to talk to a twenty two year old

584
00:26:24.599 --> 00:26:27.200
<v Speaker 7>doctor in a fucking lap coat and a hoodie. Yeah,

585
00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:28.559
<v Speaker 7>so like, do you know what I mean? Like, make

586
00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:31.440
<v Speaker 7>someone do at least one extra step? Yeah, because I

587
00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:34.039
<v Speaker 7>think you can right now be like add to cart

588
00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:36.000
<v Speaker 7>now I have a psychosis.

589
00:26:37.319 --> 00:26:40.759
<v Speaker 6>Yeah. So honestly, the small percentage of dolls purchased by

590
00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:42.400
<v Speaker 6>mothers who are grieving the loss of a child, I

591
00:26:42.480 --> 00:26:44.920
<v Speaker 6>sort of feel like, is the only percentage that should.

592
00:26:44.680 --> 00:26:47.079
<v Speaker 7>Be exactly, you should get a thing that says, hey,

593
00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:48.480
<v Speaker 7>you can't stop me, I have a thing.

594
00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:52.559
<v Speaker 6>Others have been bought by memory care facilities, Oh that's interesting,

595
00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:56.960
<v Speaker 6>lawyers who use the re court room renactly, show they touched, Yeah,

596
00:26:57.079 --> 00:27:00.480
<v Speaker 6>got it? And people making movies and televison and shows

597
00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:01.160
<v Speaker 6>obviously which.

598
00:27:01.000 --> 00:27:02.920
<v Speaker 7>Obviously should just makes sense. We want to keep putting

599
00:27:02.920 --> 00:27:04.559
<v Speaker 7>hot lights on top of these kids in real life.

600
00:27:04.599 --> 00:27:07.960
<v Speaker 6>But most buyers are quote just people who love babies.

601
00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:10.400
<v Speaker 7>People who missed the the beanie baby boom.

602
00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:13.680
<v Speaker 6>But that and that is the problem. Just people who

603
00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:18.279
<v Speaker 6>love babies. I a guy. Okay, I don't know. If

604
00:27:18.279 --> 00:27:20.000
<v Speaker 6>my wife wants to me sharing this story.

605
00:27:19.759 --> 00:27:20.880
<v Speaker 7>I can't cut it. This is a new If you're

606
00:27:20.920 --> 00:27:22.240
<v Speaker 7>on larned, it's fine.

607
00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:24.319
<v Speaker 6>We were at a coffee shop with Felix the other

608
00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:28.039
<v Speaker 6>day and this guy in his like sixties maybe who

609
00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:33.559
<v Speaker 6>I had clocked, because I'm pretty sure I had seen

610
00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:36.680
<v Speaker 6>him watch like two twelve year old girls walk past

611
00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:38.440
<v Speaker 6>him on the street. He was sitting at a coffee

612
00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:39.200
<v Speaker 6>table outside.

613
00:27:39.599 --> 00:27:42.599
<v Speaker 7>So you clocked it the same day, not like, yes,

614
00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:43.559
<v Speaker 7>oh he lives in the neighborhood.

615
00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:45.960
<v Speaker 6>No, no, no, same. I'm wearing the coffee shop, I'm out

616
00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:47.599
<v Speaker 6>looking out the window and I see this guy and

617
00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:49.079
<v Speaker 6>it kind of out of the corner of my eye.

618
00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:52.200
<v Speaker 6>Was like, I think he just checked out those two children. Yeah,

619
00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:54.359
<v Speaker 6>he But then he came in and he was like

620
00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:56.000
<v Speaker 6>doing something. He got out a cup of coffee. On

621
00:27:56.000 --> 00:28:01.559
<v Speaker 6>the way out, he stopped and started talking to Felix and.

622
00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:04.200
<v Speaker 7>He's a baby though he's not gonna talk back.

623
00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:04.960
<v Speaker 6>No I know, but he was.

624
00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:05.279
<v Speaker 7>He was.

625
00:28:05.319 --> 00:28:07.839
<v Speaker 6>He was like, oh, he's such a bright eyed little boy,

626
00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:11.640
<v Speaker 6>and I will see he had his phone in his

627
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:15.079
<v Speaker 6>hand and I was like is in a picture. I

628
00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:16.880
<v Speaker 6>was looking at the screen to make sure he wasn't

629
00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:18.640
<v Speaker 6>and then I was getting ready for him to ask,

630
00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:20.559
<v Speaker 6>and he didn't, but he did ask if he could

631
00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:22.640
<v Speaker 6>squeeze one of Felix's toes.

632
00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:24.640
<v Speaker 7>Sir, And I don't want it to be like this

633
00:28:24.720 --> 00:28:30.680
<v Speaker 7>is me stigmatizing. Yeah, but like if you're a lady, maybe,

634
00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:33.599
<v Speaker 7>but I don't want a guy, a stranger guy, Oh

635
00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:36.319
<v Speaker 7>touch it, my baby touched anybody's toes well, but and

636
00:28:36.359 --> 00:28:39.200
<v Speaker 7>that the lady. I might give you like a seconds

637
00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:40.519
<v Speaker 7>more grace on this.

638
00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:43.720
<v Speaker 6>But I tell this story to say, obviously, we said

639
00:28:43.799 --> 00:28:46.279
<v Speaker 6>yes because we were He said yes, we were super uncomfortable,

640
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:48.359
<v Speaker 6>and we were just like, I mean, we were. He

641
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<v Speaker 6>wasn't get a kidnap. You know, we're in a busy coffee.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, what did it pass your cross your mind

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<v Speaker 7>at all to be like for eight dollars?

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<v Speaker 6>Not until after he left? Okay, But I bring this

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<v Speaker 6>up to say, a this guy might have just been

646
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<v Speaker 6>a creep, but be it. What did cross my mind was, oh,

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<v Speaker 6>this is like a person who loves babies and like

648
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<v Speaker 6>also might be a pedophile, but like this this is

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<v Speaker 6>a guy who like you hear about people who love babies,

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<v Speaker 6>but I feel like I don't really come across them

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<v Speaker 6>in day.

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<v Speaker 7>To day life, especially not in the modern era.

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<v Speaker 6>No, because it's a little weird, A.

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<v Speaker 7>Little yeah, it's a lot weird. And that's why I'm saying,

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<v Speaker 7>old grandma, ass lady, you got some baboushka rolling up

656
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<v Speaker 7>being like, oh you can see this lady probably raising kids,

657
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<v Speaker 7>has grandkids, gets excited. I want to eat them up

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<v Speaker 7>energy in a goodish way. I'm saying. You know how

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<v Speaker 7>the aways people always referring to like cuteness of babies

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<v Speaker 7>as like an edible thing. It's they're always saying it,

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<v Speaker 7>and so I'm fine with that. But if I'm just

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<v Speaker 7>like a man alone, you know, who doesn't accidentally on

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<v Speaker 7>purpose drop his wallet to be like, oh those are

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<v Speaker 7>my grandkids pictures that flopped out. Yeah, so like buy himself.

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<v Speaker 6>Stops on his way up and goes look at these

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<v Speaker 6>little toes.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah. I just feel like you can go through your

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<v Speaker 7>day without touching toes. Yeah, and so just live your

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<v Speaker 7>life that way. Yeah. Anyway, anyway, your kid's been marked

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<v Speaker 7>by him. He has the market. Yeah, yeah, he's going

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<v Speaker 7>to put a tracker on him.

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<v Speaker 6>This article continues that some popular videos made by content

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<v Speaker 6>creators show these reborn dolls getting a bloody nose as discussed, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>going on their first outing to target spaon con or

675
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<v Speaker 6>throwing up in the car.

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<v Speaker 7>Sure, what I have to imagine there's some cuts in

677
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<v Speaker 7>these videos. There are some medits. Yeah, I think so

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<v Speaker 7>if it throws up on its own, this is a

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<v Speaker 7>totally different video about a possessed y'all.

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<v Speaker 6>This is a religious miracle.

681
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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, your baby has stigmata.

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<v Speaker 6>Jennifer Granado, forty three, who makes the dolls with her

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<v Speaker 6>husband and daughter in Indiana, said about half of her

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<v Speaker 6>customers or collectors, and about half are coping with some

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<v Speaker 6>type of trauma or loss.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, I even watching this video if you're not

687
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<v Speaker 7>just listening. I mean, obviously I'm a collector of things.

688
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but luckily they're not not lifelike children dolls.

689
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<v Speaker 7>Yeah there, I mean the things I collect might keep

690
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<v Speaker 7>you childless because no one wants to date someone who

691
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<v Speaker 7>lives this lifestyle. That's not true, but like it's definitely

692
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<v Speaker 7>better than whever. This is.

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<v Speaker 6>One customer, Miss Granado said, takes her dolls shopping into

694
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<v Speaker 6>the doctor's office feeds them baby food and takes pictures

695
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<v Speaker 6>of them with Santa Claus on Christmas. I mean she

696
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<v Speaker 6>is unable to have kids, so this is as close

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<v Speaker 6>as she can get for her and her husband. Miss

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<v Speaker 6>Granado said there's definitely a large group of people who

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<v Speaker 6>don't understand why a grown adult would be playing with

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<v Speaker 6>a baby doll. But they don't see it as a

701
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<v Speaker 6>baby doll. They see it as a baby.

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<v Speaker 7>This is the woman who also makes them in the

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<v Speaker 7>airh Okay, got you.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean she's just selling her wares.

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<v Speaker 7>That's what I'm saying. That's a little bit and she

706
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<v Speaker 7>could have gotten into it for this purpose, yes, but

707
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<v Speaker 7>I think once you're in there, it's a nice sales pitch.

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<v Speaker 6>MSS Drew's, the collector from Kuratiba, called the dolls a

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<v Speaker 6>calming fun I would even say innocent hobby a damning sentence.

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<v Speaker 7>Like that's a yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>I would even say totally normal and very innocent.

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<v Speaker 7>I will say a lot of people have hobbies, very

713
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<v Speaker 7>few of them have to defend the hobby.

714
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<v Speaker 6>As being totally total yeah. She said she was frustrated

715
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<v Speaker 6>with being judged for her interest in them. Quote. I

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<v Speaker 6>hope that after this is all over. We can continue

717
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<v Speaker 6>our collections in peace and do what we like without

718
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<v Speaker 6>being labeled. She said, I think that reborn dolls are

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<v Speaker 6>an art, and art deserves to be appreciated. I'd like

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<v Speaker 6>to point out that the tree. Yeah, this photo, which

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<v Speaker 6>we'll put up on the screen is haunted by demonic tree.

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<v Speaker 7>In that tree. Whose hobby was to make that?

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know, but I mean I do like this.

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<v Speaker 7>Picture, and it'll be either on the screen or in

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<v Speaker 7>the show notes if you're just listening. There is a

726
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<v Speaker 7>sense of community here. It's nice to have.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, it's a community of witches worshiping a sentient tree.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes. Babies, yeah, yeah, but I'm saying anything that gets

729
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<v Speaker 7>people out that getting them touching grass, yeah, maybe that's good.

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<v Speaker 6>And so that that is the end of the article.

731
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<v Speaker 6>That's the end of the article.

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<v Speaker 7>Is at the end of the episode.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, we can discuss these babies a little bit more.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean we've discussed them a lot. We've discussed them

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<v Speaker 7>another episode if you want to hear it. Probably some overlap,

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<v Speaker 7>just a.

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<v Speaker 6>Little not much, just a little bit. Yeah, go check

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<v Speaker 6>out the Dollars episode if you haven't, and let.

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<v Speaker 7>Us know if you are a collector. I don't think

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<v Speaker 7>we said anything that was to me.

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<v Speaker 6>If you collect reborn dolls, we would love to hear

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<v Speaker 6>from you.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, we'll have you on and we won't make fun

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<v Speaker 7>of you.

745
00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:15.920
<v Speaker 6>Pick your brain and donate it to science.

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00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:17.960
<v Speaker 7>Pick your brain and a reborn doll and see if

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<v Speaker 7>it comes to life.

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<v Speaker 6>Well while we try that experiment, friends, fans out there

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<v Speaker 6>in podcast world, I'm Chris Calari and I'm ed FORCLA

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<v Speaker 6>And this has been New Fear Unlocked.

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<v Speaker 7>Almost do we say new Fear on lot the last one?

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<v Speaker 6>I think so? Okay, this has been New Fear Unlocked.

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<v Speaker 6>We'll see you next time.

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<v Speaker 7>Bye bye, bye bye.

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<v Speaker 1>The theme song may say this show has no name,

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<v Speaker 1>but as you know, it actually has a name, New

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<v Speaker 1>Fear Unlocked. The thing you guys always say, that's the name.

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<v Speaker 1>The name is New Fear Unlocked. But now it's over,

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<v Speaker 1>so you could turn it off. There's nothing more after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for coming see you next time. For not necessarily fears,

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<v Speaker 1>more than likely for sure not fears