WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.480 --> 00:00:04.960 I'm John Glover. I was Lionel Luthor on a Smallville 2 00:00:05.719 --> 00:00:10.839 and I will always always hold on to Smallville, and 3 00:00:10.880 --> 00:00:12.039 I hope you all do too. 4 00:00:56.439 --> 00:00:59.679 Welcome to always hold on to Smallville. In this podcast, 5 00:00:59.719 --> 00:01:01.719 we talk about each in every episode of the Young 6 00:01:01.759 --> 00:01:04.079 Superman show that ran from two thousand and one to 7 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:08.200 twenty eleven on the WB and the CW. I'm your host, 8 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:10.879 Zach Moore, and I'm joined by a very old Lionel Luther. 9 00:01:10.959 --> 00:01:14.159 He's back from Earth too, Matthew Roca. What's up? Roca? 10 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:19.879 Looks like I'm back in the nick of time exactly? 11 00:01:20.040 --> 00:01:25.239 Is that not the greatest fourth wall breaking of all time? Right? 12 00:01:25.840 --> 00:01:28.000 Rewatching that, I was like, oh wow, man, this is 13 00:01:28.040 --> 00:01:31.480 some Shakespeare, This is some Richard the Third. John Glover 14 00:01:31.599 --> 00:01:33.079 must have been having a blast doing that. 15 00:01:33.200 --> 00:01:36.359 Yeah, it's funny to say that. So we're talking about 16 00:01:36.439 --> 00:01:39.200 Luther obviously, and who else could I have but you 17 00:01:39.280 --> 00:01:41.400 on this episode? And uh O, great to have you 18 00:01:41.439 --> 00:01:43.680 back on the show. And so I recently went to 19 00:01:43.760 --> 00:01:47.719 the Lutha Smallville Convention, the first annual Smallville Convention, and 20 00:01:48.519 --> 00:01:51.719 how Sean Glover was there and everybody had panels and 21 00:01:52.040 --> 00:01:54.640 he had panel and he was talking about someone asked 22 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:58.319 him about coming back, you know, for season ten. He's like, well, 23 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:01.959 you know, all the good writers had left by then, 24 00:02:02.000 --> 00:02:09.360 and it wasn't quite as interesting. But if you know 25 00:02:09.599 --> 00:02:12.080 John Glover in real life is this is a sweet 26 00:02:12.120 --> 00:02:12.719 old man. 27 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:12.879 Now. 28 00:02:12.879 --> 00:02:15.439 I mean he's eighty years old, God bless him, right, yeah, 29 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:18.719 and he's on he's on Instagram and he's eighty years 30 00:02:18.719 --> 00:02:20.240 old and I have him on Instagram and it's like 31 00:02:20.280 --> 00:02:23.039 what but he is just he just tells it how 32 00:02:23.080 --> 00:02:25.759 it is, you know, his thought like that's the unfilteredness 33 00:02:25.840 --> 00:02:28.400 is so adorable as well, and he's like, oh, well 34 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:31.319 you know why probably you know, so he felt about 35 00:02:31.400 --> 00:02:33.199 saying that, but that was that was how he felt 36 00:02:33.199 --> 00:02:35.840 about it because and I do understand where he's coming 37 00:02:35.800 --> 00:02:37.479 to think about it from an actress, because he was 38 00:02:37.479 --> 00:02:40.639 talking about the evolution of Lionel and in season one, 39 00:02:40.719 --> 00:02:43.000 because look, this is the big Lionel Luther return episode, right, 40 00:02:43.000 --> 00:02:45.039 That's that's what We'll just jump off with that, which 41 00:02:45.080 --> 00:02:48.520 is which is why I'm so think about it. He 42 00:02:48.560 --> 00:02:50.400 was talking about well, in season one he was kind 43 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:53.159 of like a one note tough dad. But then as 44 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:55.800 we went on I became a regular and they kind 45 00:02:55.800 --> 00:02:58.000 of peel back the layers of you know why you know, 46 00:02:58.080 --> 00:02:59.840 Lex and Lionel felt the way he did about each other. 47 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:03.639 And then you know, obviously, you know, writing wise, they 48 00:03:03.639 --> 00:03:05.520 were kind of all over the place around four and five, 49 00:03:05.560 --> 00:03:06.759 they were kind of like, I don't know if he's 50 00:03:06.759 --> 00:03:09.560 good or bad whatever. But when they settled in, like 51 00:03:09.599 --> 00:03:11.479 you know, the first you know, three years in line, 52 00:03:11.479 --> 00:03:13.240 on the last couple of years they had a kind 53 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:15.520 of a clear vision. And then of course he died, 54 00:03:15.879 --> 00:03:17.560 and then you know, they brought him back, and he 55 00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:20.879 probably he felt like from an acting standpoint, it was 56 00:03:20.919 --> 00:03:22.599 more kind of a reset to what he was doing 57 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:26.840 before all this nuance, which is true, total, totally valid. Well, 58 00:03:26.840 --> 00:03:29.800 that doesn't make it any less enjoyable. And then knowing 59 00:03:29.840 --> 00:03:32.439 that he thought it was like whatever, but but then 60 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:35.280 him to still bring his eight plus game was is amazing. Right. 61 00:03:35.719 --> 00:03:38.400 I love that I've heard him say the same thing 62 00:03:38.400 --> 00:03:41.639 about just like even Lionel at his most evil in 63 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:46.080 regular Earth one Linel like that he's so nuanced, and 64 00:03:46.159 --> 00:03:48.560 he felt like Earth two Linel was just like one 65 00:03:48.599 --> 00:03:52.000 dimensional mustache swirler, evil kind of thing, and it's like 66 00:03:52.960 --> 00:03:54.639 I feel the same way as you. It doesn't make 67 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:57.120 it any less enjoyable, and in fact, I think kind 68 00:03:57.159 --> 00:04:01.560 of like his more one note evil as this Linel. 69 00:04:02.199 --> 00:04:05.479 It's what we need in the final season if we're 70 00:04:05.520 --> 00:04:08.360 gonna if we're gonna do alternate Linel, just make him 71 00:04:08.400 --> 00:04:14.080 completely cartoonishly evil and even still even still John Glover 72 00:04:14.159 --> 00:04:16.920 brings that Shakespearean nuance to it. 73 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:19.439 He manages to do that, you know, like he is 74 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:22.680 the best actor on this show. Yeah, start to finish. 75 00:04:22.759 --> 00:04:25.360 She's the best main cast. Remember, he's the best guest star. 76 00:04:25.480 --> 00:04:27.839 He's totally like he's in a league of his own. 77 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:30.879 I mean, it's incredible, right, and so he's such a resource, 78 00:04:31.319 --> 00:04:34.120 and so to have him back just just I mean 79 00:04:34.199 --> 00:04:35.800 I was because you know, when you watch his back 80 00:04:35.800 --> 00:04:37.399 in the day in season ten, it had been three 81 00:04:37.480 --> 00:04:39.800 years since you've seen him. Oh yeah, and you're you're 82 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:41.920 so caught up in the excitement of Lionel being back. 83 00:04:41.959 --> 00:04:44.759 You're so fascinated by, Oh, how's Lex gonna play into 84 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:46.279 this because you don't know yet because the season is 85 00:04:46.279 --> 00:04:49.199 still going on, right, And I'm like, all right, did 86 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:51.560 I love it so much? Then? Because it was so exciting, 87 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:53.879 Like but no revisiting it now for this No, it's 88 00:04:53.959 --> 00:04:56.319 so great. I'm so happy to report it wasn't just 89 00:04:56.399 --> 00:04:56.800 the hype. 90 00:04:57.079 --> 00:05:00.399 That's totally how I felt too. Rewatching it, I was like, man, 91 00:05:00.439 --> 00:05:02.399 this is just so much fun, Like it's like this 92 00:05:02.480 --> 00:05:04.680 is this is it's so it's so fun, and it was. 93 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:08.480 It was like the whole the whole thing just felt 94 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:11.480 like it was nostalgic in the best possible way. Where 95 00:05:11.519 --> 00:05:15.360 it was it was nostalgic for the Luthers, reminding us 96 00:05:15.360 --> 00:05:18.199 of the the like sort of golden era, if you will, 97 00:05:18.279 --> 00:05:20.399 of the show. And at the same time, it was 98 00:05:20.439 --> 00:05:23.680 progressing the plot forward in a really different way too, 99 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:27.319 because it's like, you wouldn't get alternate universe and all 100 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:30.959 that weird stuff in seasons one to three, you know, Like. 101 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:33.160 No, I mean, it's it's interesting that it took him 102 00:05:33.199 --> 00:05:35.120 this long to do this. Yeah, I mean this is 103 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:38.120 the last season. Like, well, I guess we'll do like 104 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:40.600 a barrel universe like that, because that's like sci fi 105 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:43.720 one on one, like parrel universes. Right, And but you're right, 106 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:46.199 it would not have fit in any other era of 107 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:48.480 the show, but but this one and we'll we'll talk 108 00:05:48.480 --> 00:05:50.759 about that as we do. But yeah, you were there 109 00:05:50.759 --> 00:05:52.839 back in the day watching this live. Did you go 110 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:55.959 look up like episode titles before they came out, like 111 00:05:56.240 --> 00:05:58.240 howevern around crypton site. I don't know if you if 112 00:05:58.279 --> 00:06:00.879 you did this or not. You know, you're of course. 113 00:06:01.879 --> 00:06:05.959 So so the title Luther comes up, I'm like, right, 114 00:06:06.079 --> 00:06:09.319 oh my god, we're like, blows our minds. We probably think, oh, 115 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:11.600 this is the big Lex return episode. That's what you think. 116 00:06:11.839 --> 00:06:15.360 That's what you think. You're like, it's so it's so 117 00:06:15.519 --> 00:06:18.279 interesting that I mean, we're pretty much almost halfway through 118 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:20.920 season ten. They've been really like there's been a lot 119 00:06:20.959 --> 00:06:25.399 of Lexes around clones and kids and you know, other 120 00:06:25.480 --> 00:06:27.399 actors who'd played him over the years who'd come back 121 00:06:27.439 --> 00:06:29.680 and it's fantastic stuff and they'll continue to do so. 122 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:33.959 But there's no Michael Rose. Bomb there's They're very It's 123 00:06:34.040 --> 00:06:36.920 so interesting that even like even in Homecoming, you see 124 00:06:37.040 --> 00:06:41.519 stock footage of Wana, Kristen Kurk, Chloe Allison Max, we 125 00:06:41.639 --> 00:06:44.879 see John Schneider, John Glover and that O'Toole in the 126 00:06:44.920 --> 00:06:50.600 clips from Reckoning, No Lex, no Michael Rose, and they're like, uh, 127 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:53.279 and I I understand the type world. They're walking because 128 00:06:53.279 --> 00:06:55.000 they don't. They don't they don't want to remind you 129 00:06:55.040 --> 00:06:57.000 of him just in case he never comes back, Right, 130 00:06:57.360 --> 00:06:58.120 I was gonna. 131 00:06:57.920 --> 00:06:59.800 Say, like, Okay, I was going to ask you if 132 00:06:59.839 --> 00:07:03.040 you knew if there was anything else contractually or something 133 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:06.839 or whatever, because it does seem weird that like, like, yes, 134 00:07:07.879 --> 00:07:10.000 it's true about like okay, what if he doesn't come back? 135 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:12.800 But at the same time, I feel like they had 136 00:07:12.839 --> 00:07:15.480 to have almost had some degree of like, well, he 137 00:07:15.560 --> 00:07:19.000 is going to come back, because otherwise you're really pushing 138 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:22.160 Luthor's storylines so much and if he didn't come back, 139 00:07:22.480 --> 00:07:23.959 it would have been really disappointing. 140 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:26.439 We we were this close, I know, we were this 141 00:07:26.480 --> 00:07:29.800 close to not having Now that's what's like if if 142 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:33.519 Lazarus the first episode, like yeah, there was talk and 143 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:37.639 as Craig Burnam krypton Site has communicated to us and 144 00:07:37.720 --> 00:07:40.040 to me, they were like, oh, yeah, well Michael's going 145 00:07:40.120 --> 00:07:41.959 to come back for this, like that was the episode 146 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:45.480 was written with that in mind, which makes perfect sense. 147 00:07:45.560 --> 00:07:47.240 And I'm like, because it gives you that a little bit. 148 00:07:47.279 --> 00:07:49.560 Alex at the beginning completely chases out all these fillers 149 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:51.800 in between, and then yeah, he would return at the end. 150 00:07:52.319 --> 00:07:54.240 I don't know how far that went as far as 151 00:07:54.279 --> 00:07:57.399 talk or negotiation or I don't even I don't even know, right, 152 00:07:57.600 --> 00:08:00.079 but we all know how Michael felt about it, and 153 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:01.879 and all krettd he came back in the end, and 154 00:08:01.920 --> 00:08:04.079 he he did what he needed to do to close 155 00:08:04.120 --> 00:08:07.800 the circle. Thank god, totally. But there's no debating the 156 00:08:07.839 --> 00:08:10.920 fact if he was around and more available in season ten, 157 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:13.079 it would have been a much stronger season. I'm just 158 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:15.439 no debating that because they're they're just trying to patchwork 159 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:16.120 all this stuff. 160 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:18.639 Yeah, I mean imagine just you saying that kind of 161 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:21.120 gives me chills imagining. And by the way, I love 162 00:08:21.199 --> 00:08:24.639 the actor who played last year. Yeah, yeah, the one 163 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:29.199 from Cyborg and it's you know, he's great and did 164 00:08:29.240 --> 00:08:31.439 a really good job as creepy old Lex like. 165 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:33.840 Twenty years older. It's so funny rewatching it, I was 166 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:37.720 like twenty like should we have said like fifty years old? 167 00:08:38.200 --> 00:08:39.440 Because I know I was thinking that. 168 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:43.519 Too, because I like when we're I mean, when we're younger, 169 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:46.639 like twenty years older seems so much more, you know, 170 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:49.519 probably when we were younger, like watching the show, like oh, 171 00:08:49.559 --> 00:08:52.320 twenty years old. But yeah, it's like when you rewatch, 172 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:54.879 it's like my ex girlfriend is twenty two years older 173 00:08:54.879 --> 00:08:55.080 than me. 174 00:08:55.120 --> 00:09:00.919 She doesn't look that like that. Well, you see Michael 175 00:09:00.960 --> 00:09:04.799 Rosebam today and like that's him now, Like it's doesn't 176 00:09:04.799 --> 00:09:07.200 look like a different person. Dude, he's like fifty now 177 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:09.120 and he looks so young. He looks great. But I 178 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:10.679 just saw an interview with him too. 179 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:11.240 Oh. 180 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:12.000 I was just gonna say. 181 00:09:12.039 --> 00:09:13.919 The thing that gave me chills was picturing him though, 182 00:09:14.039 --> 00:09:18.559 delivering those lines in Lazarus, Like picturing Michael Rosenbaum doing the. 183 00:09:18.679 --> 00:09:22.320 Weard on your chest, the scarlet letter and all that happening. 184 00:09:24.639 --> 00:09:27.000 No, but it's like I just saw an interview with him. 185 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:30.360 You probably saw it too, where he was talking about 186 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:34.919 I guess the politics of the money and the things 187 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:37.600 of the show like for him, and and how he 188 00:09:38.080 --> 00:09:38.600 likes to talk. 189 00:09:38.519 --> 00:09:42.600 To about that a lot, doesn't. Yeah, he does. 190 00:09:42.639 --> 00:09:47.120 He was he said, I guess that what was his name, 191 00:09:47.399 --> 00:09:51.399 I think something rot. I forget what his first name. 192 00:09:51.320 --> 00:09:54.320 Was, Yes, Peter. 193 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:57.919 I think it was. I think he was talking about him. Uh, 194 00:09:57.960 --> 00:10:00.840 and he he really just played. He was like saying 195 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:02.840 he didn't like the guy and blah, blah blah. And 196 00:10:02.840 --> 00:10:04.879 he never talked to him. I mean, the guy never 197 00:10:04.919 --> 00:10:08.360 talked to him, like during almost the whole show. And 198 00:10:08.399 --> 00:10:11.480 then he towards you know, the end of season seven, 199 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:14.840 like when his contract he stayed longer than his contract 200 00:10:14.879 --> 00:10:18.639 was supposed to be, and then he's like, mister Roth wants. 201 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:19.159 To have dinner with you. 202 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:20.919 And he's like, oh, he never has talked to me 203 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:23.120 this whole time. And he goes ahead and he's like 204 00:10:23.159 --> 00:10:25.519 you gotta stay, you gotta stay, Michael, blah blah blah. 205 00:10:25.720 --> 00:10:30.000 And Michael's like, you know, if you give me an offer, 206 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:32.720 you know, I probably won't do it still because artistically 207 00:10:32.759 --> 00:10:34.919 I want to do other things, but like I'll think 208 00:10:34.919 --> 00:10:36.840 about it, you know kind of thing. And then the 209 00:10:36.879 --> 00:10:39.080 offer they gave him was the exact same thing they 210 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:42.519 were paying him before, and that was what the final 211 00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:44.559 nail in the coffin for him, where he was just like, 212 00:10:45.279 --> 00:10:47.559 even if they tried to make me another offer, now, 213 00:10:47.639 --> 00:10:49.799 it's like too late. That's a slap in the face 214 00:10:49.919 --> 00:10:50.320 kind of thing. 215 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:53.840 Like yeah, and I think, you know, and as you 216 00:10:53.879 --> 00:10:56.759 get older, right, you understand why people make the decisions 217 00:10:56.799 --> 00:10:59.720 they make, right, I mean, especially working in the industry 218 00:10:59.720 --> 00:11:03.000 and very as storms as we have and do. It's like, yeah, 219 00:11:03.000 --> 00:11:04.879 I never want to work with that person. Get done 220 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:06.840 and all right, Like I will never work on a 221 00:11:06.840 --> 00:11:10.720 project with this person. I totally understand that. Or conversely, oh, yeah, 222 00:11:10.840 --> 00:11:13.120 this guy's on it. Whatever it is, I'm there right. 223 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:14.960 So like you you want to work with the same people, 224 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:16.399 or you don't want to work with the same people, 225 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:18.679 or you you need space, you need distance. So like 226 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:20.679 it's it's fun for us to sit here and talk 227 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:22.960 and laugh and speculate about him coming back and not 228 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:25.399 going back to the bored Thing is he came back 229 00:11:25.440 --> 00:11:29.519 for the series finale. THINGK got. His legacy is preserved 230 00:11:29.600 --> 00:11:32.360 because of that. Had he not come back for the 231 00:11:32.399 --> 00:11:36.200 series finale, then how dare you do Talkville service? I 232 00:11:36.200 --> 00:11:41.559 mean seriously, seriously seriously that that was he really meant 233 00:11:41.559 --> 00:11:44.200 it too. I can tell that, like, you know, just 234 00:11:44.320 --> 00:11:48.879 hearing Talkville and like listening to that his podcast and stuff, 235 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:51.320 like he really meant it back in twenty eleven when 236 00:11:51.320 --> 00:11:53.799 he said like he came back for the fans, I 237 00:11:53.840 --> 00:11:56.600 feel like he really and and for how much you 238 00:11:56.639 --> 00:11:58.759 really love the character? You know, probably for a good 239 00:11:58.840 --> 00:12:02.000 chunk change, but no really, he said that at the time. 240 00:12:02.000 --> 00:12:03.320 I do believe, like, look, I did it for the 241 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:05.320 fans because he is a fan of things. He might 242 00:12:05.360 --> 00:12:06.879 not be a fan of small vill his talk fill, 243 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:10.480 but he is a fan of you know, genre movies 244 00:12:10.559 --> 00:12:13.200 and all this stuff, so he understands fandom. Yeah. So yeah, 245 00:12:13.600 --> 00:12:15.240 that was big for him to come back for that. 246 00:12:15.440 --> 00:12:17.720 So season ten is in the shadow of Lex and 247 00:12:17.759 --> 00:12:19.360 micro Rosemon. That's what we're really And. 248 00:12:19.360 --> 00:12:23.879 Can you imagine like the I think the one big 249 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:26.679 miss opportunity, and it was probably a scheduling thing or 250 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:30.039 timing or whatever, but like if they you know, they 251 00:12:30.039 --> 00:12:32.919 brought Michael back, right, and they managed to pull that off, 252 00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:37.039 and then they also had Glover back, and if they 253 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:39.840 had a scene together in the finale too, that would 254 00:12:39.879 --> 00:12:41.080 have been so epic, like. 255 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:44.039 It would have I don't know what it would have been, 256 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:47.159 but just to see the two of them together, Lex 257 00:12:47.240 --> 00:12:50.399 kills him again. Now, well yeah, see, I mean that's 258 00:12:50.440 --> 00:12:52.480 the thing. What do you what do you even do 259 00:12:52.759 --> 00:12:56.240 at that point? Right? So I kind of that is 260 00:12:56.279 --> 00:12:59.000 the greatest missed opportunity of those two. I mean there's 261 00:12:59.000 --> 00:13:01.320 a lot of missed opportunities serious finale, So I'm not 262 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:04.320 gonna say that, but it isn't we all wanted that again, 263 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:06.080 but but we we love what we had with them 264 00:13:06.120 --> 00:13:08.399 for years. I mean, they had some of the best 265 00:13:08.440 --> 00:13:11.159 scenes on the show for years. And even though Clover 266 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:15.440 comes back here without Rosenbomb, it doesn't you don't. This 267 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:18.120 episode does a good job of positioning like, look, Lex 268 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:21.519 is not here, well, there's certainly no getting him back. Yeah. 269 00:13:21.639 --> 00:13:24.320 I thought that was a really funny met like that's 270 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:29.039 a metallion. We can't tell that. But hey, we're we're 271 00:13:29.039 --> 00:13:31.200 here in season ten, and look, man, I gotta be honest, 272 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:33.840 like season ten, it's been kind of rough to start off. 273 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:36.559 I mean there's there's some good. I mean, there's homecomings, great, 274 00:13:36.639 --> 00:13:40.200 las Rus is very enjoyable. Yeah, you know, I like 275 00:13:40.240 --> 00:13:43.799 Harvest more than most people probably really the Lex, Yeah, yeah, 276 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:46.440 because I have really fallen in love with this text. 277 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:48.639 I've really fallen in love with this Test and Lex 278 00:13:48.679 --> 00:13:52.440 subplot going on, Like originally yea, her raising little Lex 279 00:13:52.480 --> 00:13:56.360 and then all the weird dynamics there and now now 280 00:13:56.360 --> 00:13:58.919 she is a Luther, right, So I love that is 281 00:13:58.960 --> 00:14:01.720 what I'm clutching onto in season ten because I don't 282 00:14:02.120 --> 00:14:06.279 the suicide squad is lame and death stroke is the 283 00:14:06.320 --> 00:14:09.039 worst death stroke. I kind of forgot about some of 284 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:10.960 that stuff. Like when you think of season ten, what 285 00:14:10.960 --> 00:14:12.039 do you think of Broka? 286 00:14:12.440 --> 00:14:14.559 When I think of season ten, I kind of glamorize 287 00:14:14.559 --> 00:14:16.039 it a little in my head, Like I think of 288 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:18.080 all the cool stuff we've been talking I think about 289 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:21.600 all the Luther stuff. I think about Clark becoming Superman, 290 00:14:21.919 --> 00:14:25.200 like the returns, like the return of Jonathan, the return 291 00:14:25.279 --> 00:14:28.519 of Martha, like you know, all of that, the nostalgia 292 00:14:29.080 --> 00:14:33.480 him and Lois, like their relationship really blossoming into the 293 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:36.120 iconic relation. Like that's all the stuff I think about. 294 00:14:36.159 --> 00:14:39.840 I kind of like, uh, choose to forget about the other? 295 00:14:41.279 --> 00:14:43.240 Well, yeah, I mean the episodes I've rewatched over the 296 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:45.480 years are I mean the ones I'm talking about like Homecoming, 297 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:48.120 Luther can't down the Road, like like the Earth two 298 00:14:48.159 --> 00:14:51.279 stuff just a plug and that gives us, oh yeah, 299 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:53.039 iin ol back and so there's so much of that. 300 00:14:53.120 --> 00:14:55.279 So I'm like, I'm just really glad for this episode 301 00:14:55.279 --> 00:14:58.240 to show up finally, because I was waiting to really 302 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:00.440 love an episode again because it's like I feel like 303 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:02.639 I've been I might you know, guys, listen back, you know, 304 00:15:02.679 --> 00:15:04.000 you know, I have a good time I'm talking about 305 00:15:04.039 --> 00:15:06.360 these episodes, but like, oh, man, like I feel like 306 00:15:06.399 --> 00:15:08.799 I've been rewriting like every episode that as I covered it. 307 00:15:08.840 --> 00:15:10.360 I'm like, Oh, wouldn't it be better if we did this? 308 00:15:10.480 --> 00:15:13.679 Like that's strange because season everybody knows I love Season 309 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:15.840 nine so much. Season nine had a clear vision and arc, 310 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:20.399 and seasons well, I mean, we're people are coming back 311 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:22.840 and we'll do that, and then he's gonna be Superman 312 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:25.960 at the end, and here's some stuff. But it's just 313 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:28.759 it's just kind of it's it's very it's not cohesive 314 00:15:28.799 --> 00:15:30.039 in the way that Season nine it's. 315 00:15:29.960 --> 00:15:33.200 Like season It's it's like season like like I feel 316 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:35.240 like the same way. I feel kind of like Season 317 00:15:35.320 --> 00:15:38.799 nine is like Season three in the sense that they 318 00:15:38.799 --> 00:15:41.159 have a very cohesive arc. There's kind of a strong 319 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:44.399 continuity between episode to episode and callback and you know, 320 00:15:44.759 --> 00:15:46.759 like it's all very well thought out and you can 321 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:49.720 really see that on the screen. And I and like, 322 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:52.960 because of all the stuff we've talked about, like all 323 00:15:53.000 --> 00:15:56.279 the fun stuff in season ten, it's still like like 324 00:15:56.320 --> 00:15:58.799 one of my favorites more than Season nine. But I 325 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:02.720 feel like season nine is a much stronger objectively seasoned 326 00:16:02.720 --> 00:16:07.240 because there's a clear A B, two C plot and everything. 327 00:16:07.279 --> 00:16:10.279 And but that being said, just like all the gold 328 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:13.240 Nuggets and ten kind of spread out or awesome, you know. 329 00:16:13.480 --> 00:16:16.240 I guess my new my new conversation is like, which 330 00:16:16.279 --> 00:16:19.799 is better season ten or season eight? I think that'll be. 331 00:16:19.799 --> 00:16:22.200 My Oh my gosh, that's a good one. That's really 332 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:25.000 interesting because eight started so strong and. 333 00:16:24.919 --> 00:16:28.279 Then it went this season eight A is so good, 334 00:16:28.759 --> 00:16:32.039 but a B is this by even though it's a 335 00:16:32.039 --> 00:16:35.320 couple of great steps. I mean, uh, Lesion is great, 336 00:16:35.360 --> 00:16:39.360 Hex is great, right yeah, oh yeah, totally that's it, 337 00:16:39.679 --> 00:16:41.960 and H in the second half of season. So I 338 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:44.039 don't know, like that's well, those are the fun conversations 339 00:16:44.039 --> 00:16:46.240 to have down the road. But but here we are 340 00:16:46.279 --> 00:16:49.519 in season ten. We're working to our Superman and John 341 00:16:49.559 --> 00:16:53.720 Glover is back Luther, the titular Luther, the titular Luther there, 342 00:16:54.159 --> 00:16:56.320 And I do wonder how they if they planned out 343 00:16:56.360 --> 00:16:59.440 like we're gonna have one focus on Lionel and that's 344 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:01.759 gonna be loose. I'm gonna have one focus on Jonathan. 345 00:17:01.759 --> 00:17:03.080 They'll be kid. I don't know if they planned it 346 00:17:03.120 --> 00:17:06.359 out because knowing this show, they probably didn't. But the 347 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:08.920 fact that worked out so well though, because you know what, 348 00:17:09.039 --> 00:17:11.119 so and obviously Ken is a different episode and we'll 349 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:12.400 talk about it then, but these are two of my 350 00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:15.079 favorite episodes of the season. Lionel is in this one. 351 00:17:15.160 --> 00:17:17.440 He's not in the next one. They're they're looking around 352 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:19.920 for him, like like Clark, Luther and Test. Oh, there 353 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:21.759 he is, and they're like, you know what I'm saying, 354 00:17:21.880 --> 00:17:23.440 but he's not it. You don't realize that he's not 355 00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:29.400 in it, you know. Yeah, anyway, but hey, we're here 356 00:17:29.400 --> 00:17:32.319 to talk about Luther. Let's get into it. Luther. I 357 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:33.160 hook up this morning. 358 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:34.079 Everything is different. 359 00:17:34.119 --> 00:17:36.160 It's darker. Did you stay away from you? Clark? 360 00:17:36.599 --> 00:17:39.920 He'm so afraid of me. It's like a parallel reality. 361 00:17:40.720 --> 00:17:41.680 I am your father. 362 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:44.920 I alone raised joke in my own image. 363 00:17:46.240 --> 00:17:50.759 Clark Wilther Smallville All New episode Friday, de Summer third 364 00:17:50.799 --> 00:17:57.000 and eight, seventh Central on the CW Luther. It's the 365 00:17:57.039 --> 00:18:00.960 tenth episode of Smallville's tenth season. It aired on December third, 366 00:18:01.039 --> 00:18:05.039 twenty ten. Was written by Ryan Q. Miller and directed 367 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:10.039 by Kelly Sounders. Now Kelly Sounders, she's been writing for 368 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:13.000 the show with her writing partner Brian Peterson for years 369 00:18:13.079 --> 00:18:16.000 since season two, and she's one of the executive producers 370 00:18:16.039 --> 00:18:18.400 now of the show. Right, I love this is the 371 00:18:18.440 --> 00:18:22.200 only episode she directed. This is the only one. This 372 00:18:22.240 --> 00:18:26.680 is actually her only director credit in anything. WHOA, that's 373 00:18:26.759 --> 00:18:30.839 that's wild because she did knocked it out man, because like, yeah, 374 00:18:31.079 --> 00:18:33.480 the visual and we'll talk about it, but the visual 375 00:18:33.519 --> 00:18:37.160 differences between We're gonna call it Worth two because Earth 376 00:18:37.160 --> 00:18:38.799 too low was lane they throw that out there. I know, 377 00:18:38.920 --> 00:18:41.319 the all the comic fans get so mad because it's like, well, 378 00:18:41.400 --> 00:18:44.599 Ultraman's Earth three and I'm like, yes, yes, the flash 379 00:18:44.640 --> 00:18:47.680 shit the same thing with like like evil Zoom flash 380 00:18:47.839 --> 00:18:49.599 or some Earth two and all that stuff. So yeah, 381 00:18:49.960 --> 00:18:52.920 so this would be Earth one sixty eight, right, if 382 00:18:52.920 --> 00:18:54.880 some almost one sixty seven, if you really want to 383 00:18:54.880 --> 00:18:57.720 get down to it, we're gonna call it Earth two. 384 00:18:58.519 --> 00:19:03.400 But insider baseball, that's the definitely way too deep into it. 385 00:19:04.119 --> 00:19:06.680 But yeah, no, there's the visual distinction between. You know, 386 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:09.240 there's all these warm colors and bright and it's all 387 00:19:09.319 --> 00:19:12.039 very locked off and smooth shots, and then you go 388 00:19:12.079 --> 00:19:14.119 to Earth too and it's all handhaild and you know, 389 00:19:14.359 --> 00:19:18.759 uh shaky and like gray, you know, so. 390 00:19:19.279 --> 00:19:23.680 Yes, yes, very muted color palette. Very It almost feels 391 00:19:23.720 --> 00:19:27.640 like we're going from like classic Metropolis in Earth one 392 00:19:28.039 --> 00:19:30.640 to like got them Yeah, oh us, you know, like 393 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:32.799 it's just it's it's really you didn't. 394 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:34.680 Need to have some like Earth two super at the 395 00:19:34.680 --> 00:19:36.880 bottom that showed you you show, don't tell it's a 396 00:19:36.960 --> 00:19:39.640 visual media, you get it. Yeah, it's not a different space. 397 00:19:39.759 --> 00:19:42.039 But but but you know, she did. 398 00:19:42.079 --> 00:19:45.240 It's interesting that Kelly like the first time director credit thing, 399 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:49.440 because there must be something about the Luthers that just 400 00:19:49.519 --> 00:19:52.720 bring out the artistic brilliance and first time directors because 401 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:54.960 Miles Miller back with memorial. 402 00:19:54.640 --> 00:19:56.880 Right, Lionel may bring out the worst in people, but 403 00:19:56.920 --> 00:19:59.079 the Luthers bring out the vest in the directing of 404 00:19:59.119 --> 00:20:06.200 the show. But but ratings watch Okay, So the last episode, Patriot, 405 00:20:06.559 --> 00:20:08.880 it aired a couple of weeks before. There was a 406 00:20:08.920 --> 00:20:11.720 break before, you know, for Thanksgiving. And that's that's also 407 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:16.160 interesting because Smallville usually only had maybe one episode in December, right, 408 00:20:16.519 --> 00:20:19.319 but no, there's two. This is not the mid season finale. 409 00:20:19.400 --> 00:20:21.480 I mean it should have been, but it would have 410 00:20:21.480 --> 00:20:24.599 been such a stronger inding. But then you know Icarus 411 00:20:24.640 --> 00:20:27.519 is next week, so they have two December episodes. That's right, 412 00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:31.720 but this episode December third. The previous episode on November nineteenth, 413 00:20:32.000 --> 00:20:37.079 Patriot got two point six million viewers, and Lazarus, the 414 00:20:37.160 --> 00:20:41.160 season premiere, got two point nine to eight million viewers. 415 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:43.640 So with those stats in mind, what do you think 416 00:20:43.720 --> 00:20:48.680 Luther got? Ooh, that's a good one. I'm gonna go 417 00:20:48.759 --> 00:20:58.000 with two point seven five. All right, two point seven 418 00:20:58.000 --> 00:20:59.519 to six. You might be like, this might be the 419 00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:05.640 closest guess of anyone in the ratings. Watch well done, sir. Wow, Wow, 420 00:21:05.799 --> 00:21:08.400 Nyl brings people back, all right? People are like, come 421 00:21:08.440 --> 00:21:12.960 back in see John Glover even after Thanksgiving. That's what 422 00:21:13.000 --> 00:21:13.519 I was thinking. 423 00:21:13.559 --> 00:21:17.519 It's like, it's like people like even casual fans who 424 00:21:17.559 --> 00:21:20.319 haven't been watching as much, they probably see like a 425 00:21:20.359 --> 00:21:23.759 preview and they're like, oh, Linyl's back, what like, yeah, 426 00:21:23.759 --> 00:21:25.680 I want to check that out's yeah, Like you know, 427 00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:29.920 So the episode starts out and all right, let's just 428 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:31.640 let's just let's just rip this fan ad off. 429 00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:37.279 What what what the is going on with the Verrettas 430 00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:43.839 window because the the episode starts out with the with 431 00:21:43.920 --> 00:21:47.880 the loot with the season one through six stained Glass 432 00:21:47.920 --> 00:21:51.799 Window of the l Witch, which had previously reappeared at 433 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:54.440 the end of Abandon when Test finds out she's a Luther. 434 00:21:54.519 --> 00:21:56.359 It's it's kind of like the reverse shot of that. 435 00:21:56.359 --> 00:21:59.039 That's what's so interesting that there's like, yeah, there shouldn't 436 00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:01.279 have been an episode in between these two, like Patriot, 437 00:22:01.839 --> 00:22:04.400 Can we have done that earlier or later? Because yes, 438 00:22:04.559 --> 00:22:07.200 because Abandon ends with this shot of Tesse looking out 439 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:09.480 the window and we pan up and we see the 440 00:22:09.519 --> 00:22:13.000 Luther l because she's a Luther. Now I get it, right, 441 00:22:13.119 --> 00:22:15.559 I get it. And then this episode starts out we 442 00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:18.839 started the stained glass window, we go back down into 443 00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:23.039 the window. But dude, you've been here. You know, like, 444 00:22:23.799 --> 00:22:25.359 first of all, that l is in the wrong spot, 445 00:22:25.400 --> 00:22:29.720 and it's not it doesn't look like us anymore. It's dude, 446 00:22:30.599 --> 00:22:36.359 of all things, the continuity, you know, all things continuity 447 00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:39.680 wise in this show, there's something about the damn window 448 00:22:39.799 --> 00:22:43.559 that is just like so seemingly hard for them to 449 00:22:43.559 --> 00:22:46.640 get right, and yet it should be the simplest well, 450 00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:50.960 and it's you know what's even worse, it's not like 451 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:53.319 they're changing it back and forth, right, It's like, look, 452 00:22:53.319 --> 00:22:55.279 they changed it. Yeah, I think I think it might 453 00:22:55.279 --> 00:22:57.400 have been Traveler. You and I were on that episode. 454 00:22:57.400 --> 00:23:00.200 I think him in the first time they changed the wind, 455 00:23:00.279 --> 00:23:03.240 which is ridiculous because like they should have known in 456 00:23:03.319 --> 00:23:05.480 season Like I would have been way chiller about this 457 00:23:05.640 --> 00:23:07.920 if between season six and seven they switched that out 458 00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:10.680 and didn't talk about it, like, oh, look here it is. 459 00:23:11.200 --> 00:23:13.240 It's like, oh, it's like it's been more of a clue, 460 00:23:13.519 --> 00:23:17.079 but instead it's like, literally, it's been here this whole time, 461 00:23:17.920 --> 00:23:21.200 right under my note. And then they keep and this 462 00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:23.079 is before they got the veritas up. They keep moving 463 00:23:23.079 --> 00:23:25.640 the l down right, because if you're like in Tempest, 464 00:23:25.720 --> 00:23:28.680 for I throw out Tempest the season one finale, cause 465 00:23:28.720 --> 00:23:30.960 you see the tornado come and the window break and 466 00:23:31.039 --> 00:23:33.480 Line and Lextra in their office, Ell is way up there. 467 00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:35.880 It's way up there. But then they they kind of 468 00:23:35.880 --> 00:23:38.400 move it down lower. It's kind of behind Lex's desk, right, 469 00:23:38.559 --> 00:23:41.960 follow me, right, So it's already like it's already already moved. 470 00:23:42.039 --> 00:23:45.440 And I'm like, look, they fixed the window, they moved it, fine, whatever, 471 00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:47.160 But I know you guys are why are you so 472 00:23:47.200 --> 00:23:50.680 fixated on this? Well, let me tell you, because because 473 00:23:50.680 --> 00:23:52.839 I'm like, okay, they changed it back for season ten. 474 00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:56.160 That's that is so annoying, but whatever, it's right. But 475 00:23:56.160 --> 00:23:59.160 but broka, they didn't change it back because we we 476 00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:01.720 panned down from this l at the very top and 477 00:24:01.799 --> 00:24:05.119 we go through the glass with a Veritas sign is 478 00:24:05.160 --> 00:24:09.079 gone from the exterior. Yep, but there are all the 479 00:24:09.119 --> 00:24:12.799 scenes in Luthor Library here it's back, and it's back 480 00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:17.680 as the Luthor Veritas window, and it's unacceptable. I am 481 00:24:17.720 --> 00:24:20.960 so angry about this, Roca. I don't I. 482 00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:24.000 Don't even understand, like the like with with the other one, 483 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:27.039 with the you know, the first appearance of it, at 484 00:24:27.119 --> 00:24:29.680 least it's like, Okay, this is what they're trying to do, 485 00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:31.960 even though it's like really goofy right, like they're trying 486 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:34.160 to pretend like it's always been there, which is so silly. 487 00:24:34.640 --> 00:24:36.119 But I don't even get what they're trying to do 488 00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:36.480 right now. 489 00:24:39.279 --> 00:24:43.160 It's it's all the other earth too when we get there. Anyway, 490 00:24:43.400 --> 00:24:46.240 this is my this is my favorite thing of this 491 00:24:46.319 --> 00:24:47.920 show to just rant about. 492 00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:51.440 Yes, if they were gonna do this whole v thing 493 00:24:51.559 --> 00:24:53.920 in general, it's it's an idea that just came to me. 494 00:24:54.160 --> 00:24:57.359 It's they had to do it, which is so silly anyway, Like, 495 00:24:57.359 --> 00:24:59.200 but if they had to do it, you know what 496 00:24:59.240 --> 00:25:02.279 they could have done probably they could have probably had 497 00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:07.759 like lex like in season seven, you know, like looking 498 00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:12.640 at the l and being you know, to emphasize more 499 00:25:12.680 --> 00:25:14.799 of like the genius that he is kind of thing 500 00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:17.680 that could really have him like study it with a 501 00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:20.119 magnifying glass or something like he sees he sees a 502 00:25:20.119 --> 00:25:23.839 glint of something that is like wait, and it's like 503 00:25:24.079 --> 00:25:26.039 and it's like yeah, and it's like really like baked 504 00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:27.119 into it or something. 505 00:25:28.720 --> 00:25:33.039 Instead of like a L slash V. Because I know, 506 00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:35.160 we're like we're like half an hour in we're talking 507 00:25:35.160 --> 00:25:37.400 about the first shot. We have to though, because because 508 00:25:37.480 --> 00:25:40.240 Test sits down and it's right behind her head, it's 509 00:25:40.279 --> 00:25:47.319 the I just this is unacceptable. But anyway, Test is 510 00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:51.920 at her desk and h who is simply credited as 511 00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:55.960 Luther Lawyer walks in Actres's name is Linda Coe. She 512 00:25:55.960 --> 00:25:59.119 looked familiar. She's an NSA official on the Flash in 513 00:25:59.200 --> 00:26:02.240 one episode. She's also in Supernatural. You know, she's in 514 00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:03.599 a lot of the shows up there, So that's why 515 00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:08.279 she looked from there. Oh that was Oh, that's interesting, Like, yeah, 516 00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:11.240 that was like it felt like there was something with 517 00:26:11.279 --> 00:26:14.319 that character, because you know, they gave her that ominous 518 00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:20.039 like the way she delivered her line to test and 519 00:26:20.079 --> 00:26:22.240 I'm like okay, but then like that's it. She's in 520 00:26:22.240 --> 00:26:25.079 this one, and I'm like, okay, but hey for day 521 00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:30.160 player A plus, well done. So she comes in says, oh, 522 00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:33.119 finols of state blah blah blah blah blah. And this 523 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:36.559 particular line item wasn't discovered until after Les passed. Little dude, 524 00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:39.480 we know you were his final day, like just to 525 00:26:39.559 --> 00:26:41.400 kind of like, this is your boss, Like were you 526 00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:42.640 talking mess? You know? 527 00:26:43.119 --> 00:26:44.920 And I was thinking that too. I was like, whoa, 528 00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:48.799 if your tests, that lady's fired. That's why that's why 529 00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:53.920 I never saw her again. I forgot that this episode, 530 00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:58.079 rewatching it that this was. I forgot that it was 531 00:26:58.079 --> 00:27:00.680 because I haven't rewatched the later seasons and long in 532 00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:03.400 like a while, and I forgot that it took this 533 00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:09.480 long to realize that she's the illegitimate daughter of Lionel. 534 00:27:09.559 --> 00:27:10.880 Yeah. I mean it took about a third of the 535 00:27:10.880 --> 00:27:12.440 way in to reveal it and then a couple more 536 00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:13.359 to tell everybody. 537 00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:17.920 Yeah, which is really interesting. Like because because when she 538 00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:20.000 first appeared on the show and season eight, I think 539 00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:22.119 we all just assumed that she was like, you know, 540 00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:24.559 miss test marker tests, that she was like. 541 00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:28.599 Mercy Gray Lex's lover. Yeah exactly, Yeah, yeah, Like this 542 00:27:28.680 --> 00:27:31.039 works so much better though, Oh it really does. As 543 00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:33.599 much as I'm being angry about retcons, there's the thing 544 00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:35.680 to rec con objects that you see with your two 545 00:27:35.680 --> 00:27:39.079 eyes and then reccon like vague backstories of characters which 546 00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:41.319 can be cleaned up. Like making her a Luther makes 547 00:27:41.359 --> 00:27:43.559 everything click and makes so much like why why would 548 00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:45.440 Lex put her in charge of all this stuff? Like 549 00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:47.759 he knew, as he says, and as Michael Rose his 550 00:27:47.799 --> 00:27:50.200 mom himself says, because he came back for the series 551 00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:50.799 finale and the. 552 00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:56.920 Sade Yes exactly exactly, and you know it really it really, 553 00:27:57.599 --> 00:28:01.599 it really does serve the character a lot. Her character 554 00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:05.519 really is starting with this, I mean this episode in particular, 555 00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:10.680 then going forward, like she serves the themes of the 556 00:28:10.720 --> 00:28:13.960 whole season and like the you know, the series in general, 557 00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:15.720 but really the whole season with the idea of like 558 00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:17.599 nature versus nurture. 559 00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:22.359 Yeah, so in this box is well we always they 560 00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:24.000 don't really show it to us yet do they. It's 561 00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:27.279 like this, you open up this box. What's in the box? Right, 562 00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:30.720 and it's like something in this velvet bag and she's 563 00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:32.839 like and she's gonna open it, but then she gets 564 00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:34.839 a call from Clark. He's like, we have a lead 565 00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:37.880 maybe a Cadamists labs, and like text is like, because 566 00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:41.039 that's where you know, that's where she was healed and 567 00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:43.640 that's where all the lex clones were. I also want 568 00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:45.319 to shout out this editing moment where like we see 569 00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:47.279 tests walk out of her office and we just cut 570 00:28:47.359 --> 00:28:50.440 her walking into Cadmus's labs. Like that's just a cool moment. 571 00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:53.160 Like I'll just yeah, yeah, it's a great way to 572 00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:55.480 kind of move between locations without having to establish this 573 00:28:55.599 --> 00:28:58.119 or that. And uh, apparently a Meal. I love how 574 00:28:58.119 --> 00:29:00.000 they call him doctor a Meal or a Meal. It's 575 00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:03.000 doctor Hamilton, all right. The reason, in my opinion, the 576 00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:04.599 reason they do this is because doctor Hamilton in the 577 00:29:04.599 --> 00:29:08.240 first couple of seasons, right, yes, yes, it's it's confusing. 578 00:29:09.119 --> 00:29:12.880 Mort He's a legend. He's a legend and genre legend 579 00:29:13.359 --> 00:29:17.559 and incredible. But they're like it's like it's not Yeah, 580 00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:21.319 he's a pediatrician. It's just amuses. 581 00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:25.880 It's probably like so many things in the show that 582 00:29:26.039 --> 00:29:27.799 you know, you've talked about so much on the podcast 583 00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:30.839 in terms of like obviously there's like a kind of 584 00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:33.319 a five yearsh plan, and they really didn't think they 585 00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:34.680 were going to go on as long as they did. 586 00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:37.319 So it's like they probably thought, oh, cool, little easter 587 00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:40.759 egg doctor Hamilton and season two, but it's not really 588 00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:45.640 you know, related to to the traditional Doctor ham but 589 00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:47.559 you know, that's just a little easter egg for the 590 00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:51.319 fans or whatever, and then all these years later they're like, oh, 591 00:29:51.920 --> 00:29:54.799 you know, we can have an actual doctor Hamilton. 592 00:29:56.559 --> 00:29:59.000 Clark says a meal due to final search and there's 593 00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:02.680 one body still on account of far LX one five 594 00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:05.960 and tests. Is like, oh, well, you know, just because 595 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:09.839 he's Luther doesn't mean maybe he's not causing trouble at all. 596 00:30:09.880 --> 00:30:12.720 Maybe it's you know, maybe it's fine. And of course 597 00:30:12.759 --> 00:30:16.440 like no tests. It's in their blood. They're born that way. 598 00:30:16.759 --> 00:30:20.880 I'm like, damn, Clark, I understand, I understand why, because 599 00:30:20.920 --> 00:30:23.480 this is she is real. She's in a tough spot 600 00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:26.359 here because she's just found out she's Lionel's illegitimate daughter. 601 00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:30.279 She hasn't told anybody she's she's been hiding baby Lex 602 00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:35.400 all right here, and uh, I understand they want to 603 00:30:35.400 --> 00:30:37.119 put in a position where she doesnt feel comfortable telling 604 00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:39.839 Clark and put him in this mindset. Right. So yeah, 605 00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:42.440 but that's what kind of harsh it makes. 606 00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:44.960 It makes sense from the episode standpoint, but it does 607 00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:46.519 seem a little bit, like you said, a little bit 608 00:30:46.519 --> 00:30:51.480 harsh and in context of the full series because of 609 00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:53.319 the fact that Clark like. 610 00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:55.359 I'm never gonna leave you a little Alexander. I'll be 611 00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:58.480 there looking out for your evils in your blood. Uh, 612 00:30:58.519 --> 00:31:01.279 because even Tess is like, we'll have her to everyone 613 00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:05.079 deserving a second chance, which is the Superman, but Luther 614 00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:09.200 blood it's poison. But he must be behind this door. 615 00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:12.480 It's a lead only one lined with lead, right, which 616 00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:15.119 how did how did how did Lex know that Clark 617 00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:15.880 can't see through lead? 618 00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:18.880 No, I don't mean that's that's a good question. That 619 00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:22.559 sounds like that sounds like a question for Eisenberg Lex. 620 00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:25.359 Yeah, also true. 621 00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:28.039 Yeah, the question I had in my head was like, 622 00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:31.559 maybe it's just not not rewatching season ten in a while, 623 00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:35.319 but like, what was okay, test is protecting little Lax 624 00:31:35.359 --> 00:31:36.000 all that stuff. 625 00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:40.359 If Clark found him, though, like, what's he gonna what's 626 00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:42.440 the plan? Like, what's he gonna do with him? Clark's 627 00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:48.839 obviously gonna kill it because he's playing killed this little child. Well, 628 00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:51.079 Clark doesn't know that it's a it's a kid, like 629 00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:52.759 he doesn't. He just knows it's a Lex clone and 630 00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:54.799 somebody's been helping. Oh that's right, that's right. Yeah. Yeah. 631 00:31:54.839 --> 00:31:56.559 Well what's what's interesting is like, so at the end 632 00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:00.359 of Harvest, the kid who played Lex in season seven 633 00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:04.200 and eight, the kid he came back for Harvest, Connor Stanhope. Yeah, yes, 634 00:32:04.279 --> 00:32:06.759 I believe he's fantastic, unless I'm mixing up my young 635 00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:08.799 looks actress. He's the one of all the one and 636 00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:10.720 they all did you know good to various degrees. Yeah, 637 00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:12.440 he's the one that really like felt like the spirit 638 00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:15.039 of micro ros Bom was in this child, and so 639 00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:16.920 he gives he like that. He makes his turn on 640 00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:19.559 that episode and test them. We're sending away to facility. 641 00:32:19.559 --> 00:32:21.720 He's gonna die. I don't care, And I'm like, okay, 642 00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:24.599 because he's got the accelerated aging. I'm I don't really 643 00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:27.079 remember what happened about the accelerated aging. I'm wondering how 644 00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:29.759 the show's gonna address it. I think they addressed it 645 00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:31.640 because oh, he's super boy, Like, I think that's how 646 00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:34.880 they fix it. Yes, he is right, It's like, yeah, 647 00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:37.920 that canceled out and stopped his age and whatever. Because 648 00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:40.200 you're asking me about the plant. The original plan was 649 00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:42.720 this Lex kid was gonna grow into micros bomb. That 650 00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:45.480 was gonna be Lex right, which which in retrospect would 651 00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:46.240 have been so much. 652 00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:48.279 Better that that makes that makes a lot of sense 653 00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:52.400 that that it's good because Okay, we always go back. 654 00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:52.920 To this, but. 655 00:32:55.039 --> 00:33:01.039 In the go ahead, in the finale, it's like, so 656 00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:06.000 we get Lex zero right, like Lex zero. I feel 657 00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:09.119 like still to this day, it's like there's still questions 658 00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:12.079 online about like so it is so Lex zero is 659 00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:15.559 basically like a Frankinson monster of Lex parts, right, But 660 00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:20.000 is Lex original the one that died in the truck 661 00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:25.200 the truck and if so, this is just a cobble together, 662 00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:27.000 you know, of all the parts. 663 00:33:27.200 --> 00:33:29.480 That's what the show wants you to believe, and I 664 00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:33.279 don't like that. So I choose to believe that Lex 665 00:33:33.359 --> 00:33:35.880 zero was like Lex Prime. Yeah, and the one in 666 00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:38.519 the truck was like lex one, lex one or whatever. 667 00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:41.160 That's what I try to believe. They keep it just 668 00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:45.799 vague enough where it's like, ah, okay, but anyway, I'll 669 00:33:45.920 --> 00:33:49.480 have to say, I don't know what Clark's plan was 670 00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.160 with Lex here, but they show up and it's you know, 671 00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:55.039 it's a chessboard because of course there is this little 672 00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:58.960 cot and his old book and and thanks for the 673 00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:01.599 read tests. But I'm all growing up now. It sounds 674 00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:05.319 exactly like something Lex would leave it totally totally, but 675 00:34:06.920 --> 00:34:10.400 it's switches Clark onto tests. So he's like, you knew 676 00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:12.840 about this, like, and he just goes into his oh yeah, 677 00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:15.280 he changes a gear here, and I look, this is 678 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:17.800 a very close this is arch Nemesis, right, so I 679 00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:19.480 can understand why he's so fired up. But man, I 680 00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:21.519 feel bad for Test here, right, That's how I felt too. 681 00:34:21.559 --> 00:34:24.079 I was like, dude, just like like I get it right, Like, 682 00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:28.360 but but Test has been your sort of ally for 683 00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:30.760 a while now, like let it let her explain, you know, 684 00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:31.519 even just. 685 00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:34.480 Like, even after everything Oliver and I did for you, 686 00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:36.199 this is how you repaying us. And it's like, because 687 00:34:36.239 --> 00:34:38.280 Oliver has been very skeptical and Clark's like, no, no, no, 688 00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:40.280 give her a chance. Man. Yeah, it's not like she's 689 00:34:40.320 --> 00:34:43.480 a Luther or anything. I won't deserve second chances. But 690 00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:46.519 I under loook this is it's a little contrived, but 691 00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:49.239 I understand. Yeah it was. She's like, I was just 692 00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:51.360 trying to protect your trying to protect shelf, and he 693 00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:53.719 is true, He's right, yeah, yeah, it's like it. 694 00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:57.320 Works for It's like, yes, he is jumping to conclusions, 695 00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:00.480 but it works for the situation and how you feeling. 696 00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:02.880 And that is just like a Clark trait anyway, about 697 00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:06.679 jumping the conclusion, so like it makes sense for the character. 698 00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:09.760 You know, well, speaking of jumping to conclusion. So she 699 00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:13.039 drops her bag and then then we see this maybe 700 00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:19.039 the mirror box. What do you have this? She's like, wait, 701 00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:22.320 let me explain, Yeah, why would you? Why would you 702 00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:23.920 do that? She's like it's a Cartoni real, Like I 703 00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:25.320 just got it. I sure to god, I was gonna 704 00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:27.320 tell you she was. That's so sad, like she was, 705 00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:29.719 and it's legitimate questions why you have it? And she 706 00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:31.440 can't explain it yet because she doesn't want to say 707 00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:33.480 she inherited from Winyl. Yeah, this is a cool prop 708 00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:35.559 I've actually gotten to see this prop and it does 709 00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:37.559 miss like this and it has some way to it. 710 00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:40.639 I don't know if they based it off of the 711 00:35:41.239 --> 00:35:45.320 projector from Veritas with the message Linel leaves him, Oh yeah, 712 00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:47.239 if not, it's it's based off the same kind of 713 00:35:47.239 --> 00:35:50.840 like Kryptoni and Rubikski where you turn to I wish 714 00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:51.639 I had that prop. 715 00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:53.920 I have a lot of replica props from back in 716 00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:56.000 the day, but I wish I had that. 717 00:35:55.920 --> 00:35:59.159 That's a good one. That the Mirror Box. I'm like, okay, 718 00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:01.280 all right, okay, somebody watch Star Trek because this is 719 00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:04.480 very original series Star Trek. Mirror Mirror one of the 720 00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:07.079 most famous episodes of the original Star Trek. It kind 721 00:36:07.079 --> 00:36:10.280 of popularized we talked about Parallel Universe. That was one 722 00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:13.320 of the most mainstream ones about alternate universes and all that, 723 00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:14.800 and that's I think where a lot of the vibe 724 00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:17.840 and the vernacular comes from. That's really cool. 725 00:36:18.199 --> 00:36:20.039 I did not know that actually that that was like 726 00:36:20.239 --> 00:36:22.280 one of the things that made it like more popular 727 00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:24.440 in mainstream like that, Yeah, that's really cool. 728 00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:26.639 Which it's it's like us but just a little different, 729 00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:29.280 and I mean much like you know, Onyx in season 730 00:36:29.280 --> 00:36:31.239 four is the enemy within that episode of Star Trek 731 00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:33.599 where Captain Kirk is split into good and evil. That's 732 00:36:33.639 --> 00:36:37.320 that one, and then this one is clearly mirror mirrors. 733 00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:40.760 My Star Trek fan coming out here, check it out now. Yeah, 734 00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:46.320 so Test drops her bag, picks up the mirror box, 735 00:36:46.360 --> 00:36:48.599 and he just starts twisting, just ignoring what she's saying 736 00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:51.440 and just starts twisting it. And here's the thing man, 737 00:36:51.920 --> 00:36:55.239 talk about this show in continuity, like the contunity gives 738 00:36:55.280 --> 00:36:59.480 and continuity takes away, Like the fact that the mirror box, 739 00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:03.320 which support you to another universe is the transference symbol 740 00:37:03.800 --> 00:37:05.719 is pretty cool. That was cool. 741 00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:08.320 That was like okay, it's like, yeah, you have weird, 742 00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:11.039 silly stuff like the the window, and then you get 743 00:37:11.079 --> 00:37:13.199 really cool stuff like that where it's in the same 744 00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:16.079 episode where it's like, wow, that's that's awesome. 745 00:37:16.119 --> 00:37:20.679 That's a really cool callback. So he wakes up with 746 00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:23.519 a couple of your favorite characters of the show, right, 747 00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:31.559 Mandy and Bamby. We don't watch risk another audit. Oh 748 00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:35.360 but so so yeah, he wakes up and he puts 749 00:37:35.360 --> 00:37:37.719 his T shirt on. It's the ultraman T shirt, like 750 00:37:37.800 --> 00:37:41.199 look at you Smallville so cool. That was awesome. Yeah, 751 00:37:41.239 --> 00:37:44.920 that is an amazing loophole of like, well, we're not Superman, 752 00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:47.199 but he has been the Blur, he's got the well 753 00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:49.920 we'll give him the ultraman T shirt. I'm like, that's brilliant, 754 00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:52.480 Like I love that. That is how small the would do. 755 00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:54.480 Ultra Man. Yes, you know they call him ultraman if 756 00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:55.559 because he is ultra Man. 757 00:37:55.719 --> 00:37:59.440 Yeah, which is that's cool, which is really like, yeah, 758 00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:01.719 it's interesting because it's like I remember a friend of 759 00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:04.320 mine who did He didn't really watch the show, but 760 00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:06.159 I was always talking to him about the show at 761 00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:10.039 nauseum in high school and stuff, and like he I 762 00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:12.760 remember him commenting when he you know, just see like 763 00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:15.159 previews and stuff like that for the later seasons, and 764 00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:17.559 he's like, you know, because sometimes he would make fun 765 00:38:17.559 --> 00:38:19.519 of the show, and he's like, you know, I got 766 00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:21.440 to give it to the show. Like I'm not watching it, 767 00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:23.280 but it's pretty cool that they're doing all this like 768 00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:24.159 comic book stuff. 769 00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:26.400 It's like it's a different it's a different show that 770 00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:31.559 than than it used to be. Oh man, but there's 771 00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:33.760 this like slow reveal, like youau, you don't know where 772 00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:35.800 Clarky is really like he puts his clothes on, he's 773 00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:38.639 in a mirror, and then Lionel comes out of the shadows, right. 774 00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:44.519 I love that, Like right away they got him doing 775 00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:47.599 his Linel thing, like, you know, him stepping out of 776 00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:50.280 the shadows, having his quote head and just I. 777 00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:56.480 Live be alive. He's I can only live once? So 778 00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:00.440 like what a what a way to go? The opening 779 00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:02.119 curds like we knew, we knew he was coming back, 780 00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:04.280 but like what a perfect read or not? Because again 781 00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:07.960 he's dead, right yeah, establishes that he's not, and then 782 00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:10.480 calls him something like he calls Clark's son a lot 783 00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:12.360 but like what does this mean? Like Luther Men, Like 784 00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:14.960 what does this mean? Yeah, we Luther Men must seize 785 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:19.599 our day. So good. And that's the thing, right because 786 00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:21.440 there's always been talk. It's so funny because you know, 787 00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:23.679 I don't blame Tom Willing for not remembering everything on 788 00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:26.000 the show, but but there's been talk on talk. He's like, yeah, 789 00:39:26.440 --> 00:39:27.960 it would be cool if we did an episodeer like 790 00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:30.239 if if Lionel raised Clark and somebody's like, well, you 791 00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:34.199 guys did that, you know, but people had talked with 792 00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:37.000 that for years, right, It's like an ultimate what if episode. Yeah, 793 00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:39.119 and we're getting it and they're they're hitting the ground 794 00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:42.079 running and they're really delivering on that concept immediately immediately. 795 00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:44.280 It was always I remember that on Krypton say. It 796 00:39:44.280 --> 00:39:46.400 was always like speculation of, oh well, what if Clark 797 00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:48.679 was raised by Lionel. They even said it in the show, 798 00:39:48.880 --> 00:39:51.679 you know where, like the Kents would say, like you know, 799 00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:54.280 things like that, like you know, thank god we found you, 800 00:39:54.760 --> 00:39:57.039 or you know what if someone else like Lionel, and 801 00:39:57.360 --> 00:39:58.719 you know, all those kinds we didn't. 802 00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:02.920 Find you, you found us. Actually, actually no, your your 803 00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:05.719 biological father was here like forty years ago and really 804 00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:11.280 liked it. And since you specifically here, that's the actual truth. 805 00:40:11.320 --> 00:40:13.800 But talk about a reccon anyway, So we go to 806 00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:17.159 the open credits, We come back and Clark is walking 807 00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:19.880 through the hallways of Luther Mansion with Lionel, the Ultraman 808 00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:22.800 Persona's genius. It's great with a strong arm. My opponents, right, 809 00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:26.039 he's like knop Son because his Ultraman shirt is showing. 810 00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:28.480 So I assume when he does he like rip open 811 00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:30.320 his shirt and go to evil stuff his Ultraman and 812 00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:30.840 his T shirt. 813 00:40:31.880 --> 00:40:34.480 I think so, right, because it's like like later on 814 00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:38.360 Clark has you know, Ultraman, Clark has that line about like, 815 00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:40.880 you know, I'm not used to it being lunch and 816 00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:42.920 not having blood on my hands, you know, Like it's 817 00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:45.880 like he literally just wakes up and goes out and 818 00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:49.880 kills people and does evil stuff. And Lionel couldn't be 819 00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:53.800 more proud any what any son would any father would want. 820 00:40:55.400 --> 00:40:59.119 Now they go to the Luther Library here and damn it, 821 00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:02.480 the Veritas one was there as well. But you know what, 822 00:41:02.519 --> 00:41:04.400 they kind of mentioned the queens and the Swans and 823 00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:07.199 very I'm like, okay, well that's fine, Like I don't 824 00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:08.880 I'm not going to complain about this universe because that 825 00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:11.639 has an established contradictory this universe exactly, it could be 826 00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:13.440 this universe could have the v there the whole time. 827 00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:16.039 I don't care. But we get we get a plus 828 00:41:16.039 --> 00:41:19.400 one for amazing technical or kryptonite because Lionel throws out 829 00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:22.760 some fencing swords that and they have bluekryptonite to kind 830 00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:25.840 of equal the footing, which is which is great. It's 831 00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:28.599 exactly what this Linel would do to kind of somewhat 832 00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:31.079 control and get some interesting insight at the end of 833 00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:33.280 the episode from him about this whole thing. Oh my gosh, yeah, 834 00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:36.320 it's this whole this whole time Clark is questioning is 835 00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:39.400 like this is possible, Like this is a trial. Yes, 836 00:41:39.599 --> 00:41:42.199 here's a trial. Like like I like call Clark throughout 837 00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:44.079 the first like third ist episode, he's trying to reason 838 00:41:44.079 --> 00:41:46.119 out like what is what is going on? What the hell? 839 00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:51.639 Yeah, it's like and and Lionel's are like Tom Wellings, 840 00:41:52.800 --> 00:41:54.320 you know, we've we've talked. 841 00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:54.719 About this before. 842 00:41:54.719 --> 00:41:57.119 I think that he's really great with like he's really 843 00:41:57.159 --> 00:41:59.880 great with comedy, and but I think I think that 844 00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:03.559 his performance in these first few scenes, I think it's 845 00:42:03.599 --> 00:42:07.519 like underrated comedy, Like it's because it's it's not that 846 00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:10.320 they're playing it for comedy, but it's really funny because 847 00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:12.000 he's just like, what the hell is happening? And he's 848 00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:14.320 just trying to catch as Lionel's just so energetic and 849 00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:17.320 ready to go and ready to quote Marcus Aurelius and 850 00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:19.800 fence with Clark, well what is happening? 851 00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:24.239 Then you know, Clark's default state is like confusion right 852 00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:26.320 on the show, like in general, and so it worked 853 00:42:26.360 --> 00:42:28.519 so well here because he's like I don't know really 854 00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:32.199 what's going at all? And we get some good again. 855 00:42:33.039 --> 00:42:35.920 The right actor can deliver exposition and you don't care 856 00:42:35.960 --> 00:42:39.400 because it's like, remember, I am your father, I alone 857 00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:42.519 raised you, Cork Ruth the Man of Tomorrow, and I'm 858 00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:45.519 like John Lover just just eating it, man, Oh it 859 00:42:45.599 --> 00:42:48.440 up completely. It's it's like, even though he thinks the 860 00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:49.440 bad writers a writing. 861 00:42:54.960 --> 00:42:57.440 Oh man, this is the thing I've always said about him, 862 00:42:57.639 --> 00:42:59.599 and you really see it in this episode that I 863 00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:03.079 love that he's not as as an actor. He's not 864 00:43:03.199 --> 00:43:05.360 afraid to go too far, like he's not afraid to 865 00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:11.360 hamm it a and he does that so expertly, and 866 00:43:11.400 --> 00:43:14.079 he's still able to make the character human, you know, 867 00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:17.840 like he's he's the world's a stage, you know, he's 868 00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:20.480 just he's so theatrical and it's great. 869 00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:22.840 It's amazing. I love how he says the Man of 870 00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:25.519 Tomorrow bringing back the whole I mean, was Lexus Logan 871 00:43:26.360 --> 00:43:29.519 in season one? Yeah, yeah, now let's let's talk about 872 00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:32.519 this now. Clark Luther. He should not be named Clark. 873 00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:36.400 That's like my one real complaint, me. 874 00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:40.599 Too, me too, What would what would Lionel actually name it? 875 00:43:40.599 --> 00:43:43.639 It's definitely wouldn't be Clark obviously Julian. I mean, could 876 00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:47.800 this be Julian reassigned the name, yeah, Julian because they're 877 00:43:47.840 --> 00:43:50.280 so like it's Clark Can versus Clark Luther. I'm like, well, 878 00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:52.960 that's not an ultraman. Isn't even these either of these 879 00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:55.760 guys names so like they could have leaned into their 880 00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:56.639 mythology a little more. 881 00:43:56.719 --> 00:44:00.199 Lucas Lucas that's the thing. Where is Lucas Luther? Like 882 00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:03.920 they have completely three children? I'm like, well, what about 883 00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:06.920 Lucas Luthor? Like even like I can on this earth, 884 00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:11.119 he didn't exist? Fine, yea, fine, got it? But in general, like, dude, like, 885 00:44:11.760 --> 00:44:13.800 where is he inheriting the mirror of box? Right? Where? 886 00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:16.800 Paul Wesley? Dude, you you're on Vampire Diaries. I can't 887 00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:20.000 just one. All they needed was one episode with you 888 00:44:20.199 --> 00:44:23.079 to wrap that up. Yep, totally totally even even a 889 00:44:23.280 --> 00:44:25.400 even a mention of some kind, right, like, you know, 890 00:44:25.719 --> 00:44:28.199 just have Lex have killed We brought back Julian and 891 00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:31.519 clone him to kill him off. Yeah, so just kill anyway. 892 00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:33.639 But I would have getten back on point with the 893 00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:35.559 name I would have I would have named him Julian 894 00:44:35.559 --> 00:44:37.960 because it leans into small the mythology, yes, and if 895 00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:39.840 and if you know, you know, and if you don't know, oh, well, 896 00:44:39.880 --> 00:44:41.639 clearly you know that he wouldn't be named Clark because 897 00:44:41.639 --> 00:44:44.199 that's Martha's middle name. Totally and even totally. They even 898 00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:46.320 had a way to kind of bring the Earth two 899 00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:48.280 linell interact with Martha later and they could have brought 900 00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:50.199 it back around, but they don't, like with like the 901 00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:54.199 Clark name. I think they might the Clark exactly like it. 902 00:44:54.559 --> 00:44:57.519 Yeah, that really that's the only I mean, you know, 903 00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:02.000 other otherwise, continuity wise, the episode really mostly holds up 904 00:45:02.039 --> 00:45:04.960 so well besides like the window, but like that's the 905 00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:06.599 other thing is you. 906 00:45:06.559 --> 00:45:08.960 Know, is the name. Yeah, I agree, Julian would have been. 907 00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:11.599 They just thought we were too dumb to not understand 908 00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:16.199 why he wouldn't be named Clark. Well, they'll be news. Yeah, 909 00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:17.920 but you know, Lionel has a line who's like I 910 00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:20.679 shuddered to think when happened to my Little Traveler, which 911 00:45:20.719 --> 00:45:23.639 I thought we were done with the Traveler, but like 912 00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:26.760 you know, Verita's window was right there, lean into it. Yes, 913 00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:29.440 it works, it works if he had been discovered in 914 00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:32.440 that field by the first ignorant farmer. 915 00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:34.679 That came along, right, that's where we are line because 916 00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:37.719 it's like, for all the times the Kents have shuddered 917 00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:40.880 to think, what if Clark was found by Lionel or 918 00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:43.719 by a bad person in general, or you know, someone 919 00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:46.280 who wouldn't be supportive, you know, and they've always had 920 00:45:46.280 --> 00:45:49.679 that worry. It was so fun to see from the 921 00:45:49.800 --> 00:45:54.800 villain's perspective. You know, from Lionel's perspective, his fear would 922 00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:56.639 be Clark being found by. 923 00:45:57.079 --> 00:46:01.039 Good, good people. It's so good. But this form where 924 00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:03.559 on Earth would you be now? And then like Clark's like, oh, 925 00:46:03.719 --> 00:46:06.280 the farm, and so he goes to the farm. I 926 00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:08.719 have a I have a connuity. No, it's not really 927 00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:10.559 a deal breakers with throughout there's a big signs a 928 00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:13.000 farm auction July twenty eighth. I'm like, okay, yeah, the 929 00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:15.079 farm's on auction. I like it. I really like how 930 00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:17.400 they lean into this the next episode can't in the 931 00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:19.960 next Earth two episode, but Oliver Queen is buying up 932 00:46:19.960 --> 00:46:21.800 all these farms to burn it from meteor rock makes 933 00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:25.039 perfect sense. Like it's like, truly, I joke about things 934 00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:26.800 being air tight when they're not on the show. This 935 00:46:26.840 --> 00:46:31.679 is air tight. Applaud you why so July twenty eighth, like, 936 00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:34.239 because this is I assume this takes place in November 937 00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:37.639 December when it came out, right, yes, because like if 938 00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:40.599 we're because on our Earth, the Lex he was found 939 00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:42.880 in October and he's getting old, like there's yeah, there's 940 00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:46.079 a timeline we're working with here, and they probably just 941 00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:47.800 had that sign and they didn't think about the date 942 00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:49.480 because it's fine, but I just had to put it 943 00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:52.559 out yes, because they were probably filming in July or something, right, 944 00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:58.400 And I have to also say, real quick, just going 945 00:46:58.400 --> 00:47:02.320 back to the previous scene, how much I'm sure you 946 00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:04.639 felt this way too, just geeking out so much seeing 947 00:47:04.760 --> 00:47:09.079 the the sword fight thing. Yeah that since the Lionel 948 00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:13.599 and Lex days so great. Yeah. Yeah, So Clark's at 949 00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:16.800 the farm here and this is so he's so slow 950 00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:18.559 in the uptake and I love how Earth to Test 951 00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:20.079 calls him out, are you just naive on your Earth? 952 00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:23.000 Because he's like, yeah, I'm like all right, look listen, 953 00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:26.000 even if your parents were here and they were alive, 954 00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:32.159 you were not their son, like like they're not like 955 00:47:32.199 --> 00:47:33.000 who are you? Who are you? 956 00:47:33.079 --> 00:47:33.199 Right? 957 00:47:33.280 --> 00:47:36.280 Yeah? Exactly, because like remembering Apocalypse and alternate Earth, like 958 00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:38.280 the other that other kid who's named Clark Kent, which 959 00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:40.480 shows you, no matter what happened, they would have named 960 00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:42.519 a kid Clark Kent right, much in the same way 961 00:47:42.559 --> 00:47:45.000 that Lionel should not have named this so Clark. It's 962 00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:47.599 just funny because Clark is just so like, dude, get 963 00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:50.320 get up to speed. So he goes upstairs to talk 964 00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:51.719 to Test and let me say, you know, I have 965 00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:53.639 I've kind of fallen in love with Cassidy Freeman rewatching 966 00:47:53.679 --> 00:47:56.679 the show and yeah, it's pretty hot. It's pretty hot. Scene. 967 00:47:56.840 --> 00:47:59.639 Oh yeah, she's she's I always I always had a 968 00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:01.480 little touch on her right from when she started on 969 00:48:01.559 --> 00:48:06.480 the show. And then it's just continued, yeah she's uh, yeah, 970 00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:08.519 she's she's great, and it was it was so fun 971 00:48:08.559 --> 00:48:13.519 to see the the like frisky in this yeah. 972 00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:15.639 Like you know, and oh you love to keep me waiting, huh. 973 00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:18.000 And then later on and then worth too, Clark is like, oh, 974 00:48:18.039 --> 00:48:19.679 I love to keep you waiting. So they gotta think 975 00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:23.039 it's like this. I mean, it's this, it's this taboo thing, 976 00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:25.000 right because it's like he's like, well, last time I checked, 977 00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:28.320 you're still adopted, and my half it's like, oh, but 978 00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:31.760 that's what's kind of like it's wrong. That's what makes 979 00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:35.039 it like interesting. Yeah, it just it just goes with 980 00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:39.079 the ft up lu this universe is best off, right, 981 00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:42.719 father will over find us here? Father like our father, 982 00:48:43.239 --> 00:48:46.239 Oh you're a Luther? Right? Interesting that this is how 983 00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:50.519 Clark finds out the the information here. Yeah, and he's 984 00:48:50.519 --> 00:48:53.599 still trying to process. He's like okay, like so there's 985 00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:55.800 like time travel and if and if I fix something, 986 00:48:55.840 --> 00:48:57.159 I'll get to go back and make it right. Like 987 00:48:57.199 --> 00:48:59.880 he's just round. It's like okay, like it. 988 00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:02.840 For some reason, it reminds me, you know, when he's 989 00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:05.239 like this gus like trying to piece it together and 990 00:49:05.239 --> 00:49:07.719 he's like, wait, you're a Luther, like, you know, figuring 991 00:49:07.760 --> 00:49:10.079 it out out loud like that. It just reminds me 992 00:49:10.119 --> 00:49:12.280 of one of my other favorite Clark trying to figure 993 00:49:12.320 --> 00:49:14.760 something out out loud moments. The way back in season 994 00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:18.440 four when Lana's like upset because she thinks Clark got 995 00:49:18.559 --> 00:49:19.960 Jason fired and all that stuff. 996 00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:26.639 It was like you and Jason, yeahs again confusion, that 997 00:49:26.800 --> 00:49:31.159 is his standard gear. But she said, well, where's your scar? 998 00:49:31.159 --> 00:49:32.599 At least your scar? He doesn't have what is a 999 00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:34.239 scar we're gonna find out in a second, but he 1000 00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:36.280 doesn't have a scar. He's like, what's that about? Right? 1001 00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:37.920 So it turns and tests like, oh, he tells me 1002 00:49:37.960 --> 00:49:40.000 about this mirror box and then he says he can't 1003 00:49:40.039 --> 00:49:41.840 find it. And I can't believe I ever thought it'd 1004 00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:43.679 worked with us. Like, so they had you know, Clark 1005 00:49:43.760 --> 00:49:46.519 Luthor and Tess here on the Earth too. They had 1006 00:49:46.519 --> 00:49:49.639 this plan to kind of switch with with you know themselves, 1007 00:49:49.679 --> 00:49:52.639 you know, the universe and leave Linel behind, which is 1008 00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:55.719 that's interesting, Like Clark Luthor likes he is a little 1009 00:49:55.719 --> 00:49:57.480 interesting that I thought, because I think at the time 1010 00:49:57.559 --> 00:49:59.719 I was like, all right, I think we're as good 1011 00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:02.320 as he isn't playing Evil Clark, Like we're kind of 1012 00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:04.519 run out of shades at that. We got rid Kryptonite 1013 00:50:04.519 --> 00:50:07.800 cr we got Bizarro, we got Lionel as Clark. I'm like, 1014 00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:10.000 how how much more can you do? But I think 1015 00:50:10.039 --> 00:50:11.840 this kind of like trying to get out of Linyl 1016 00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:14.880 Shadow is an interesting motivation for this character. Yeah, for 1017 00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:16.119 both of them. Yeah, definitely. 1018 00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:20.639 And it's cool because it really does put Clark the 1019 00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:26.039 Earth one Clerk. It gives him more uh empathy for 1020 00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:30.599 like what Lex had to go through too, Like it's seeing, Oh, 1021 00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:33.079 I could have become just as bad, if not worse, 1022 00:50:33.320 --> 00:50:36.559 you know, than Lex did if I was raised this way. 1023 00:50:36.679 --> 00:50:40.239 And like that's a really interesting you know kind of 1024 00:50:41.480 --> 00:50:44.440 I'm always a fan of when they when they give 1025 00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:50.239 Clark more layers of empathy and understanding as he becomes 1026 00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:53.119 superman like, as he becomes less judgmental. 1027 00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:57.559 Luther blood is poisoned, they're born like, well, no, it's good. 1028 00:50:57.840 --> 00:50:59.719 He needed this to course correct because he had his 1029 00:50:59.719 --> 00:51:02.559 pinch and swung all the way around. So this experience 1030 00:51:02.599 --> 00:51:04.800 gets him back where he needs to be. But yeah, 1031 00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:06.800 this is he keeps guessing and Tests is like, are 1032 00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:08.719 you really this naive in your world because you can't 1033 00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:11.440 figure it out? You don't feel bad for Tests because 1034 00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:13.199 she thought they were gonna, you know, get a rendezvous 1035 00:51:13.239 --> 00:51:15.079 with Clark Luthor and then that's it, Like I know, 1036 00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:17.079 like we'll talk about it in her seat with Lionel. 1037 00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:18.880 But I'm like, does he have her killed? 1038 00:51:20.840 --> 00:51:24.719 You mean you mean oh, you mean like is Earth 1039 00:51:24.760 --> 00:51:28.000 too Test killed? Yeah, but oh wow, that's. 1040 00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:32.599 A great if she's in kn't again, So I don't, 1041 00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:34.639 I don't know, it's less left Ambigo. 1042 00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:37.400 Wow, that's I didn't even think that. That's a really 1043 00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:42.000 good question. I mean, he certainly this Lionel certainly wouldn't hesitate, 1044 00:51:42.280 --> 00:51:45.480 even even Earth one Lionel was about to kill Lucas. 1045 00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:50.760 So I'm not get you knew anyway, but but this 1046 00:51:50.800 --> 00:51:52.800 is important next. But it makes sense that Test would 1047 00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:54.239 know this because her and Club Luthor raining on it 1048 00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:56.760 together and she explains like, oh, yeah, the your kinder 1049 00:51:56.800 --> 00:51:59.079 gentle world is about to get an explosive awakening because 1050 00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:02.639 we've switched place, so that this tells Clark what's going on. 1051 00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:05.320 And I'm still I'm waiting. I'm like, when are we 1052 00:52:05.320 --> 00:52:07.960 going to see Ultra Man on Earth? Because like, so 1053 00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:11.840 they switch places physically. We'll talk about this more. We've talked, 1054 00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:14.039 We've talked about it, we'll talking about it more. So. 1055 00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:16.199 Clark Luther goes where Clark Kent was and Clark kit 1056 00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:17.800 goes where Clark Ruth was. So Clark Luther should have 1057 00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:20.440 appeared right there, right there, in the same did he 1058 00:52:20.559 --> 00:52:22.440 just like super speed off or what? Like, I don't 1059 00:52:23.719 --> 00:52:25.679 that's I'm just saying. 1060 00:52:25.559 --> 00:52:29.119 Yeah, like he you would think you'd see him right 1061 00:52:29.119 --> 00:52:30.400 there at Cadinets, right. 1062 00:52:30.519 --> 00:52:32.800 Yeah, But then you know, we can't can't get the 1063 00:52:32.800 --> 00:52:36.559 setup we get later, so we cut to Metropolis and hey, 1064 00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:39.440 credit to them. The production value is great here they 1065 00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:42.280 add Luthor Corp To everything. Luthor Corp Media is the 1066 00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:45.239 Daily Planet. Everything's gray and dark and like that, like 1067 00:52:45.679 --> 00:52:49.480 do you really feel like this is a true alternate universe? Right? 1068 00:52:49.519 --> 00:52:51.480 And I respect that, like because they don't have they 1069 00:52:51.480 --> 00:52:52.960 don't have a lot of budget in season ten, but 1070 00:52:53.199 --> 00:52:55.239 they're doing what they can with their flags and their 1071 00:52:55.280 --> 00:52:57.679 buildings and their size. There's even a truck that says 1072 00:52:57.760 --> 00:52:59.760 Luther Corp Media. I was like, good for you. Show 1073 00:53:00.480 --> 00:53:02.039 so great? Yeah, so great. 1074 00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:04.679 It's like and and really it also really highlighted, like 1075 00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:09.039 seeing Luther Corp everywhere, Like that really highlighted to me. 1076 00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:15.360 In Earth one, we have Clerk and lex and and 1077 00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:18.840 Clark was to stop and this is what wo exactly exactly, 1078 00:53:18.920 --> 00:53:20.679 this is what it would be right like. 1079 00:53:21.079 --> 00:53:23.920 But then Lois runs into him in her nineteen seventies car. 1080 00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:26.480 I maybe, I mean that is that a thing about? 1081 00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:28.480 Because you know what the did you watch the eroverse 1082 00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:31.280 some I don't know how much I think I think 1083 00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:34.400 I saw well, I think I did see a couple 1084 00:53:34.440 --> 00:53:38.199 of episodes a couple of ya. No, it's I know 1085 00:53:38.239 --> 00:53:41.760 you've been telling me. Did you watch the Flash at all? Yes? Yeah, 1086 00:53:42.159 --> 00:53:46.320 like two in their Earth on their Earth too, it's 1087 00:53:46.400 --> 00:53:50.039 kind of like this kind of retro technology, different vibe, 1088 00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:53.159 but they went for like vertical gvs and fifties vibe 1089 00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:55.880 right for to differentiate it. And I think I might 1090 00:53:55.880 --> 00:53:57.679 have been what they're doing here with lowess car. But 1091 00:53:57.719 --> 00:54:00.280 because it's it's like from the seventies for some I 1092 00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:00.679 don't know. 1093 00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:02.639 Why, but yeah, I could see that in a way, 1094 00:54:02.719 --> 00:54:05.679 kind of like like in BTAS. So it's like, yeah, 1095 00:54:05.840 --> 00:54:10.039 the cars look like the forties universe. Yeah, the hyper 1096 00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:11.960 time reality of the forties and eighties. 1097 00:54:11.960 --> 00:54:14.119 Anyway, I like that. I like product I like it 1098 00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:17.519 intentional production design like that. And so they did this here, yeah, 1099 00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:20.639 and so well, let's runs into in this car. She's 1100 00:54:20.639 --> 00:54:22.360 like if all the people were into and then he 1101 00:54:22.400 --> 00:54:25.159 fixes the bumper with his hands, like very cute. I 1102 00:54:25.199 --> 00:54:28.920 love those small displays of power. But we get Clark, dude, 1103 00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:32.880 she's not your wife or not say her girlfriend here, dude, Like, 1104 00:54:32.920 --> 00:54:36.559 get with it, man, because Walas, Oh my god, so 1105 00:54:36.599 --> 00:54:37.960 great to see. She's like, why would I want to 1106 00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:40.880 see you and then enter Oliver Queen and this show 1107 00:54:41.320 --> 00:54:44.519 it cannot get past the less and Oliver thing. But 1108 00:54:44.599 --> 00:54:46.880 I like it here and it works, and I think 1109 00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:49.159 that works really. The other layer here is like they 1110 00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:52.320 both feel like, well, this isn't perfect, but I guess 1111 00:54:52.360 --> 00:54:56.599 it's the best we got right on this, right. Yeah, 1112 00:54:56.639 --> 00:54:59.760 he has darker hair here, an interesting choice also, I 1113 00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:03.920 think starting blue contact lenses or does Justin Hardley have 1114 00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:05.880 blue eyes? And I honestly don't know anymore. This episode 1115 00:55:05.880 --> 00:55:08.000 has to be questioning everything. I thought. I thought he 1116 00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:10.360 had brown eyes. Well in real life he does, but 1117 00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:12.639 I think yeah, they pulled a Brandon Ralph on him 1118 00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:18.480 and gave this blonde guy uh dark hair blue. Yeah, yeah, 1119 00:55:18.639 --> 00:55:20.039 that's yeah. It was. 1120 00:55:20.119 --> 00:55:23.360 It was like interesting the different look like that, and 1121 00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:26.880 to see like the whole him and Lois of it all. 1122 00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:30.840 I think it's really interesting too because it's like me 1123 00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:32.519 and my mom talked about this like back in the 1124 00:55:32.599 --> 00:55:35.480 day in season six when it was you know, Lois 1125 00:55:35.480 --> 00:55:38.920 and Oliver and stuff, like we always were like, wow, 1126 00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:41.599 you know, if there wasn't Clark, like, we would really 1127 00:55:41.639 --> 00:55:42.920 ship them like they're great. 1128 00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:45.079 Oh yeah, I ship all over with tests, I ship 1129 00:55:45.079 --> 00:55:47.840 Oliver the Lewis, I've started to ship all over less 1130 00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:50.239 with Chloe though honestly, I mean, I mean that's that's 1131 00:55:50.239 --> 00:55:53.280 a turnaround I've had over rewatching the show because I'm like, 1132 00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:55.559 you guys, him and Lois and him and the tests 1133 00:55:55.559 --> 00:55:58.320 are these great like foundation and I like, yeah, just 1134 00:55:58.519 --> 00:56:01.559 romantically Chloe and all of her, Like I. 1135 00:56:01.519 --> 00:56:04.360 Don't it's I guess in a way it makes sense 1136 00:56:04.400 --> 00:56:05.960 because it's like if he's not if he can't be 1137 00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:08.440 with Lois, then who's the most like Lowis? 1138 00:56:09.000 --> 00:56:11.280 Well, yeah, that's for sure, right. But then also on 1139 00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:13.400 the flip side, if she can't be with Superman, she 1140 00:56:13.400 --> 00:56:15.159 can be with this universe as Batman. That's how I 1141 00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:17.480 saw it when I was, you know, watching for the 1142 00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:20.760 first time. So well, good for you, Chloe, you be okay, 1143 00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:23.159 you did it op crazy or dead or whatever and 1144 00:56:23.199 --> 00:56:25.199 all the things like tease. But now I'm like, like, 1145 00:56:25.280 --> 00:56:26.920 in concept, I like it, but like I'm like, I 1146 00:56:26.920 --> 00:56:29.119 don't know, y'all. Hears so much better chemistry with these 1147 00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:31.400 other two. Oh yeah, yeah. Our porter comes up. She 1148 00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:33.599 wants to talk to Lois about like what Oliver Queen's 1149 00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:35.880 doing and all. What is he up to, right, but 1150 00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:37.760 then we established, like how long we know you show 1151 00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:40.599 Luther was a boarding school, right. I'm like that establishes it, 1152 00:56:40.639 --> 00:56:43.519 like Clark. You can just kind of insert Lex's backstory 1153 00:56:43.519 --> 00:56:46.039 for Clark here for him, Yeah, exactly because he went 1154 00:56:46.079 --> 00:56:49.559 to Celsier School, and I wonder if they killed that 1155 00:56:49.639 --> 00:56:50.960 kid with the school bus. I don't like. 1156 00:56:55.320 --> 00:56:57.400 I was gonna say yeah, But probably the big difference 1157 00:56:57.440 --> 00:57:00.920 is there's definitely no beating up and bullying. I certainly 1158 00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:04.000 Clark Luther, Yeah, certainly don't think so. 1159 00:57:04.000 --> 00:57:08.039 So he's the one being the bully. So he also says, 1160 00:57:08.079 --> 00:57:11.159 you know all the things, what have you done to 1161 00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:12.880 make this world have been a place? Like that's Oliver's 1162 00:57:12.960 --> 00:57:15.119 kind of It's interesting like in every universe, Oliver is 1163 00:57:15.159 --> 00:57:17.840 giving Clark crap about that. So that I know tracks 1164 00:57:18.960 --> 00:57:20.880 but no, I I in the background of the scene, 1165 00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:22.360 I'm serious, Like, there's there's a there's a truck. This 1166 00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:24.920 is Luthercork Media, and I respect the fact that's a 1167 00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:27.960 physical truck because it's so I mean, you go in 1168 00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:30.039 a computer and you can change some Luther Cork graphics 1169 00:57:30.039 --> 00:57:31.599 and all that stuff for them, like to have a 1170 00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:33.800 physical thing there I respected that. But then uh yeah, 1171 00:57:34.400 --> 00:57:36.840 then some guy's still in a Blu ray player, right, 1172 00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:40.280 Clark decides to be a hero, goes don't belong to you? 1173 00:57:42.480 --> 00:57:43.760 And what did What did you make it? 1174 00:57:43.800 --> 00:57:43.840 Is? 1175 00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:47.519 I thought it was funny that the guy thought, I mean, 1176 00:57:48.079 --> 00:57:51.880 it's funny, but also revealing of the Ultraman character that 1177 00:57:51.960 --> 00:57:53.519 he thought he was going to kill him for that. 1178 00:57:54.159 --> 00:57:56.719 You know Clark again, Sony, were you so Afraie Clark? 1179 00:57:56.760 --> 00:57:59.000 Why do you think people are afraid of all ultramat 1180 00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:00.719 But he said because no, but he lives to see 1181 00:58:00.760 --> 00:58:03.119 ultra man's face. I'm like, oh, well that makes sense, 1182 00:58:03.400 --> 00:58:06.079 Like there's a secret identity. If he sees you, he's 1183 00:58:06.079 --> 00:58:08.840 gonna kill you, Yeah, to maintain a secret identity. And 1184 00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:12.360 he's like, why don't turn me into a murderer. I'm like, yeah, yeah, 1185 00:58:12.400 --> 00:58:14.880 you're right. But but you know what I found really amusing. 1186 00:58:14.960 --> 00:58:17.320 I feel like, you know what I found really amusing 1187 00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:20.199 is I'm talking about how the Blur has gone around 1188 00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:23.199 burning the S symbol everywhere, just burning it everywhere, and 1189 00:58:23.239 --> 00:58:26.960 like property damage and all this. We see this Ultraman 1190 00:58:27.079 --> 00:58:29.800 symbol on the wall, but it's like spray paint. I'm like, 1191 00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:36.719 is he less destructive than the Blur. I'm just saying, yeah, 1192 00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:39.519 you would think he would be like just literally torching 1193 00:58:39.559 --> 00:58:41.840 buildings now the only and I thought, and then I 1194 00:58:41.880 --> 00:58:44.880 thought to myself, I counterthought to myself, Oh, Luther corbones 1195 00:58:44.880 --> 00:58:47.000 all these buildings, so he doesn't want to creat property damage, 1196 00:58:47.559 --> 00:58:52.119 property damage. That makes total sense. But I love this 1197 00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:54.199 transit because this is the transition, right, Clark's in this 1198 00:58:54.239 --> 00:58:56.079 alleyway and he sees the Ultraman symbol and so we 1199 00:58:56.400 --> 00:58:58.760 do this kind of like the camera pans up and 1200 00:58:58.760 --> 00:59:00.639 he keeps paying against the kind of three sixteen. Then 1201 00:59:00.679 --> 00:59:04.320 flip around. Yeah, and in the same alleyway and and 1202 00:59:04.400 --> 00:59:07.280 it's a Superman symbol or a Blur symbol there. 1203 00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:11.719 Yeah, that was awesome. The transitions are really great and 1204 00:59:12.280 --> 00:59:15.639 the episode like good taking us from one earth to 1205 00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:16.880 the other is really awesome. 1206 00:59:16.960 --> 00:59:19.800 We can only assume that Clark Luthor super sped to 1207 00:59:19.840 --> 00:59:23.719 that spot after he was a cadmus. I don't I 1208 00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:25.920 don't get it, but uh, anyway, but it's a cool. 1209 00:59:26.000 --> 00:59:29.199 Oh we see the scar the Luther crest from that 1210 00:59:29.280 --> 00:59:32.440 opening shot of the wind. Yeah, that's why Roka, that's 1211 00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:34.039 why they've like, well, we can't have the V and 1212 00:59:34.119 --> 00:59:36.280 that that's a little complicated. We got a simplify it. Well, 1213 00:59:36.679 --> 00:59:38.480 should we just switch it out? No, no, that would 1214 00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:42.599 be dumb. Let's just let's just have two, Like okay, anyway, 1215 00:59:43.400 --> 00:59:45.599 that's whatever. No no, no, no no no no no no, 1216 00:59:45.599 --> 00:59:50.320 no no one. So we go to commercial. We've established 1217 00:59:50.320 --> 00:59:53.400 the Clark Luther's he's on our Earth. We come back. 1218 00:59:53.480 --> 00:59:56.880 Test is like frantically doing research and then on the 1219 00:59:57.000 --> 00:59:59.239 Daily Planet and trying to figure the stuff out, and uh, 1220 00:59:59.440 --> 01:00:01.320 somebody comes in. She's like, I told you I didn't 1221 01:00:01.320 --> 01:00:04.079 want to be disturbed. It's it's Clark Luthor. And again 1222 01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:07.079 this this energy between them. I'm like, I'm kind of 1223 01:00:07.079 --> 01:00:10.599 digging it right because it's Clark and Test. Yeah, Clark 1224 01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:12.400 and Test. No, it was, it was. It was great. 1225 01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:15.239 And I also thought it was really you know, they 1226 01:00:15.239 --> 01:00:17.440 have great chemistry. And it was also I thought really 1227 01:00:17.480 --> 01:00:21.280 funny that, like you could tell Tests was like into it, 1228 01:00:21.440 --> 01:00:22.000 like Earth one. 1229 01:00:22.039 --> 01:00:24.400 Test was into it. She was like yeah, well at 1230 01:00:24.440 --> 01:00:29.079 first she was like okay, okay, of course she's in 1231 01:00:29.119 --> 01:00:30.800 love with Clark, and as Lionel says that he is 1232 01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:33.960 a god, of course you love Clark yes, yes, he 1233 01:00:34.079 --> 01:00:35.599 is a god and you are a whore with a 1234 01:00:35.639 --> 01:00:38.440 Magdalene complex. I would just laughed him too good for 1235 01:00:38.480 --> 01:00:41.840 you test. And then Clark's like, I like making you wait, 1236 01:00:41.880 --> 01:00:43.639 So it's there. It's there. It's whatever game they have 1237 01:00:43.719 --> 01:00:47.239 on the other earth. And he thinks this is his tests. 1238 01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:49.719 And then she activated the mirror box somehow without his 1239 01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:52.559 knowledge and brought them both there. That's what that's what 1240 01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:55.079 he thinks. And she's like, this is so Cassidy Freeman 1241 01:00:55.159 --> 01:00:56.599 is really playing the scene because she has to play 1242 01:00:56.639 --> 01:00:59.320 like because she turns her back to poor Drink, She's like, 1243 01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:01.239 oh my god, we're gonna say and then she's trying 1244 01:01:01.239 --> 01:01:05.519 to like fool him to thinking that she's his It's great. 1245 01:01:05.360 --> 01:01:08.760 And she does a great job of playing those different 1246 01:01:08.880 --> 01:01:12.599 layers so that the audience sees what's going on in 1247 01:01:12.599 --> 01:01:15.719 her head, you know, but that it's like it's it's 1248 01:01:15.719 --> 01:01:20.000 an interesting thing as an actor to play like subtly, 1249 01:01:20.199 --> 01:01:22.400 I'm not trying to show my cards. I'm not trying 1250 01:01:22.400 --> 01:01:25.320 to give it away, you know how she and she's 1251 01:01:25.360 --> 01:01:26.920 she does a good job of that. I think when 1252 01:01:26.920 --> 01:01:29.800 she's like, you know, trying not to give it away 1253 01:01:29.800 --> 01:01:30.880 with ultramat. 1254 01:01:30.880 --> 01:01:34.239 Now she noticed this. His scar still bothers you. Lecture 1255 01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:36.400 knew how to leave an impression. Huh, there's no take 1256 01:01:36.440 --> 01:01:39.039 backs with gold k. I'm like, all right, cool gold kryptonite, 1257 01:01:39.320 --> 01:01:41.840 gold kryptinite. They established that on Earth too, and then 1258 01:01:41.920 --> 01:01:47.639 comes back around on this Earth plus two for ryite. Well, 1259 01:01:47.719 --> 01:01:50.079 well we don't see it though, right, so I guess 1260 01:01:50.079 --> 01:01:52.000 we shouldn't we and we do see it will count 1261 01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:54.559 when we see it, we'll count. But let's let me 1262 01:01:54.679 --> 01:01:56.400 let me ask you about ryptonite Rocca for a minute. 1263 01:01:56.840 --> 01:02:01.079 If he's exposed to it, he should lose his power, right, yes, 1264 01:02:01.559 --> 01:02:05.199 So how how would one go about carving the Luther 1265 01:02:05.360 --> 01:02:08.400 Shield in his arm without removing his powers permanently? What 1266 01:02:08.440 --> 01:02:09.039 are your thoughts? 1267 01:02:11.559 --> 01:02:16.280 That's a good question, Like, yeah, that's a really good question. 1268 01:02:17.039 --> 01:02:19.880 How how would that work? What is the what I'm 1269 01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:22.559 trying to remember? What is the reset? 1270 01:02:23.480 --> 01:02:25.800 Is there? Like, what's the Well, no, it's it's there. 1271 01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:29.800 There are no take backs, that's it. Yeah. So then 1272 01:02:29.840 --> 01:02:32.599 thinking thinking about the series finale, remember when Oliver has 1273 01:02:32.639 --> 01:02:36.239 the gold crib knit ring and close. Oh Yea's so ridiculous. 1274 01:02:36.679 --> 01:02:39.760 I'm like, this is them not understanding krystin. They think. 1275 01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:41.599 I've watched Lord of the Rings the night before, and 1276 01:02:41.679 --> 01:02:43.320 like this is like the the one ring and if 1277 01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:45.880 you you put it on, it's like the red cryb 1278 01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:48.039 Knight Ring and blue one of the most frustrating episodes 1279 01:02:48.039 --> 01:02:49.920 of the show. You guys already cover it like he's 1280 01:02:49.920 --> 01:02:52.760 worrying around this. He's walking with the blue crypt knite, like, oh, 1281 01:02:52.760 --> 01:02:55.079 here it is Clark, and it doesn't effectively puts on 1282 01:02:55.119 --> 01:02:58.639 the ring, like come on, man, and so like if 1283 01:02:58.679 --> 01:03:00.920 a gold krym knite anything is right in front of him, 1284 01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:03.119 he should know how any powers. And then it's that's 1285 01:03:03.119 --> 01:03:05.639 it came over, right, Yeah, Like and I get whether 1286 01:03:05.960 --> 01:03:08.679 I applaud the introducing gold kryptonite, I don't know. And 1287 01:03:08.760 --> 01:03:11.199 you know what, we didn't see this happen. We don't 1288 01:03:11.199 --> 01:03:14.000 know how it went down. So I really can't dissect 1289 01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:16.519 it and say it's wrong. I'm just saying, like I'm 1290 01:03:16.559 --> 01:03:19.239 raising the question. Yes, I guess he has a gold 1291 01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:22.000 crypt Night dagger and carved it into his arm when 1292 01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:22.960 or something. 1293 01:03:23.000 --> 01:03:26.960 I Yeah, that's that's really interesting when you think of 1294 01:03:27.000 --> 01:03:29.679 all the different forms of kryptonite that they've done on 1295 01:03:29.719 --> 01:03:36.719 the show, like it's interesting to think how like how 1296 01:03:36.800 --> 01:03:40.199 far it's it's come into the again with that with 1297 01:03:40.280 --> 01:03:42.920 the comic book territory thing, like in terms of just 1298 01:03:42.960 --> 01:03:46.000 having so many Kryptonites and all these different things they 1299 01:03:46.039 --> 01:03:49.239 can do, even if it can be inconsistent. Like just 1300 01:03:49.639 --> 01:03:53.920 back in the day when Red first aired, it was like, oh, 1301 01:03:54.199 --> 01:03:56.760 you know, this is a different Krystinite, Like it was 1302 01:03:56.800 --> 01:03:59.800 like that was such a different thing for the show, 1303 01:04:00.480 --> 01:04:03.119 so kind of bizarre to have this other crypto and 1304 01:04:03.159 --> 01:04:05.679 now it's like various different ones you know. 1305 01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:08.320 Well, yeah, because if you think back, I mean they 1306 01:04:08.320 --> 01:04:11.920 had green and Red, they introduced black, and there was 1307 01:04:11.960 --> 01:04:14.599 like a one off, two off thing, and of course 1308 01:04:14.639 --> 01:04:16.159 then they brought it back in season eight. Yeah, then 1309 01:04:16.199 --> 01:04:18.079 silver crypto night but Brinia came up with that, but 1310 01:04:18.079 --> 01:04:19.679 they're like, okay, we're gonna stop there. I'm like, okay, 1311 01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:22.480 that's cool. But now it's like blue Gold jim Stone 1312 01:04:22.519 --> 01:04:27.719 cryptonite last season, which is like what anyway, So Tess 1313 01:04:27.760 --> 01:04:31.280 and Clark Luther is still talking here and he's like, yeah, no, 1314 01:04:31.320 --> 01:04:33.800 there's not even a hint of Lionel here, and ts like, yeah, 1315 01:04:33.880 --> 01:04:35.480 lex Lex killed in a few years ago. I guess 1316 01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:38.159 Lex get something right on this earth. I love that. 1317 01:04:38.159 --> 01:04:40.559 That was so great, so good. 1318 01:04:40.599 --> 01:04:45.679 Well, interestingly, it raised the question for me, why has 1319 01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:49.000 Clark Luther not killed Lionel. 1320 01:04:48.639 --> 01:04:50.719 Because he's not a true Luther. He's not the strongest. 1321 01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:53.199 I am the I am the strongest. 1322 01:04:53.280 --> 01:04:55.440 Well that's true, because Lionel says that about you know, 1323 01:04:55.800 --> 01:04:58.440 no true some would have let me live this long, right, there. 1324 01:04:58.360 --> 01:05:00.320 Is something to be said about that. Firs shou Is 1325 01:05:00.320 --> 01:05:02.480 this episode in the next one makes ultraman this like 1326 01:05:02.519 --> 01:05:05.760 unsympathetic bastard. There is a redemption for him at the end, 1327 01:05:05.800 --> 01:05:07.320 and I'm like, I don't know how I feel about that, 1328 01:05:07.440 --> 01:05:09.880 but I'm like, okay, like the fact that he didn't 1329 01:05:09.920 --> 01:05:15.320 do that, I'm like, huh, maybe some good to your point. 1330 01:05:15.400 --> 01:05:17.920 Here comes the line of like feels wrong having blood 1331 01:05:17.920 --> 01:05:20.239 in my hands before, And this this is where we 1332 01:05:20.280 --> 01:05:23.719 get more like because Tests is like, well, you know, 1333 01:05:23.800 --> 01:05:25.239 the great thing about here is you can have lunch 1334 01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:27.039 anytime you want. He's like, what if I want lunch 1335 01:05:27.119 --> 01:05:33.079 right now? And She's like that was so great, Oh 1336 01:05:33.159 --> 01:05:36.320 my goodness. And because Test, only only Test could survive 1337 01:05:36.360 --> 01:05:39.920 this Switter interaction because her like her Luther training yes, 1338 01:05:41.440 --> 01:05:41.679 I know. 1339 01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:44.159 Later on Lionel has that line where he's like, you know, 1340 01:05:44.840 --> 01:05:47.559 don't lie tests, you're not any good at it, and 1341 01:05:47.599 --> 01:05:49.559 I was like, I'm thinking she's pretty good, Like well 1342 01:05:49.599 --> 01:05:51.840 that test, that's the that's why the opposite is right. 1343 01:05:53.199 --> 01:05:54.559 But Clark Luther wants the box. 1344 01:05:54.760 --> 01:05:57.480 I'm called Ultraman, right, call hi ultramat because when else 1345 01:05:57.480 --> 01:05:59.480 are we gonna get use those names? So Ultraman wants 1346 01:05:59.519 --> 01:06:02.119 to box and uh, Tests is like, oh let me 1347 01:06:02.199 --> 01:06:04.360 uh let me go on a mansion and and I'll 1348 01:06:04.360 --> 01:06:05.800 get it and then we can then we can celebrate. 1349 01:06:05.840 --> 01:06:09.079 I'm like, oh yeah, all right, all right test because 1350 01:06:09.159 --> 01:06:11.880 if he just if Clark the ultra man, his plan 1351 01:06:12.039 --> 01:06:14.559 is we destroyed the box, then they can't send us back. 1352 01:06:14.719 --> 01:06:17.199 And I'm like, okay, that makes their motivation. They don't 1353 01:06:17.480 --> 01:06:20.119 the thing is oh a new Earth to conquer. Yeah, maybe, 1354 01:06:20.159 --> 01:06:22.400 but their their main motivation is get out of life, 1355 01:06:22.519 --> 01:06:24.960 out of Lionel's which makes it because that's what he says, 1356 01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:26.079 it is lils world. 1357 01:06:26.239 --> 01:06:30.679 Yeah, so there there there's even as evil as Ultraman is, 1358 01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:34.000 there is a little bit of sympathy for that motivation, 1359 01:06:34.239 --> 01:06:37.159 you know, like just escaping Lionel. 1360 01:06:37.880 --> 01:06:40.519 Yeah, So Ultraman goes on his way and we getnother 1361 01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:43.800 close up a test like, oh my god, screwed. Uh 1362 01:06:43.920 --> 01:06:45.719 now this is a I totally forgot the scene. This 1363 01:06:45.760 --> 01:06:48.000 is an honorable scene. Lois is gonna get some coffee 1364 01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:50.599 on her day off call from Test and Mercier. No, 1365 01:06:50.639 --> 01:06:52.280 of course not. Don't take any work calls on your 1366 01:06:52.320 --> 01:06:55.079 day off, That's what Lois says. So she she goes 1367 01:06:55.119 --> 01:06:57.440 to this uh verista. She's like, regular black coffee. You 1368 01:06:57.440 --> 01:07:00.400 can tell. The guys like huh, Like what what a 1369 01:07:00.480 --> 01:07:05.719 cheap Oh? She's like, I don't quit your day job 1370 01:07:05.760 --> 01:07:07.400 and kind of pisss the guy off. So she tips 1371 01:07:07.400 --> 01:07:10.079 extra and the karma jar, which I like. There's a 1372 01:07:10.159 --> 01:07:12.280 random guy behind them. We don't know why yet, but 1373 01:07:12.280 --> 01:07:14.960 it's gonna come clear out a second. Her card gets 1374 01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:17.239 the climb and she's like, well that's not that can't 1375 01:07:17.239 --> 01:07:19.039 be right. And then while this is going on, this 1376 01:07:19.079 --> 01:07:21.599 guy behind her gets hello, who is this you want 1377 01:07:21.599 --> 01:07:26.039 to speak to? Lowest Lane Like, I just I love 1378 01:07:26.079 --> 01:07:26.880 this little scene. 1379 01:07:28.039 --> 01:07:30.199 I know that was great, Like it's just it's fun 1380 01:07:30.199 --> 01:07:33.639 to see Lois just on her day off, just doing 1381 01:07:33.719 --> 01:07:38.320 Lois things blissfully unaware of how you know, how weird 1382 01:07:38.400 --> 01:07:40.159 everything's gotten in the episode. 1383 01:07:41.360 --> 01:07:43.079 So it's like, are you Lowis Lane, She's like, who 1384 01:07:43.119 --> 01:07:46.159 wants to know? And then it's Tasha Lane, I'm calling you. 1385 01:07:46.239 --> 01:07:48.199 It's for a reason you need to get to watch 1386 01:07:48.519 --> 01:07:50.519 right now because obviously she's watched over now so she 1387 01:07:50.840 --> 01:07:52.880 saw her on a security camp, obviously made her credit 1388 01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:58.679 card get climbs using that power. Lois gives this guy 1389 01:07:58.760 --> 01:08:01.000 his phone back and he's like, oh, nice to meet you. 1390 01:08:01.159 --> 01:08:04.719 Blewis so like that was just a nice like you 1391 01:08:04.760 --> 01:08:07.079 didn't need it. But it just fleshes out the world 1392 01:08:07.199 --> 01:08:09.000 kind of the way that like the Sam Raimi trilogy 1393 01:08:09.039 --> 01:08:11.320 fleshes out in New York with characters and things. It's 1394 01:08:11.320 --> 01:08:12.880 the same kind of energy I got because we don't 1395 01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:14.800 we don't see that a lot on Small No. 1396 01:08:14.760 --> 01:08:17.000 It's a little a lot of times we're more just like, Okay, 1397 01:08:17.039 --> 01:08:18.840 get to the next pop point like kind of thing. 1398 01:08:18.880 --> 01:08:20.760 And it's fun when they have those little moments. It 1399 01:08:20.920 --> 01:08:24.439 just like just a little fun character moment like that, 1400 01:08:24.520 --> 01:08:24.720 you know. 1401 01:08:25.640 --> 01:08:29.720 Yeah, but she gets up there and uh tests all 1402 01:08:29.720 --> 01:08:32.000 these screens and it's just like, well, uh, I con 1403 01:08:32.039 --> 01:08:33.920 frown her technology if you think that all, because what 1404 01:08:34.039 --> 01:08:37.319 she what she gonna do to help? Right? Yeah, this 1405 01:08:37.399 --> 01:08:39.159 is I can't I can't get in contact with the team. 1406 01:08:39.159 --> 01:08:41.000 You can see you see Oliver, you see Barts in 1407 01:08:41.000 --> 01:08:43.800 the background, Like Okay, even though it's frustrating, we're never 1408 01:08:43.800 --> 01:08:46.680 gonna see half these people again. For example, at. 1409 01:08:46.600 --> 01:08:50.479 Least there's yeah, exactly, they're still out there. 1410 01:08:50.600 --> 01:08:53.960 Yeah, like yeah, well that's that one was so funny 1411 01:08:53.960 --> 01:08:58.520 about like like isis? For example that episode, I said, 1412 01:08:58.520 --> 01:08:59.720 I wasn't gonna say the name of Yah, but I'll 1413 01:09:00.039 --> 01:09:03.800 up here because like Hawkman, dude, that's totally Hawkman's fault. 1414 01:09:03.840 --> 01:09:06.760 I'm like, dude, you're you're escavating this site. You lost 1415 01:09:06.760 --> 01:09:08.399 the necklace of Isis? Dude? What do you do it? 1416 01:09:08.479 --> 01:09:10.960 And they try to call him that he's unanswered. But 1417 01:09:11.680 --> 01:09:14.239 that's good on you show, because if they hadn't called Hawkman, 1418 01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:15.920 I'd be like, dude, why don't you call Hawkman? This 1419 01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:18.079 is his problem? Right? So they I don't know what 1420 01:09:18.079 --> 01:09:20.399 they're doing to be somewhere without cell phone reception, but 1421 01:09:20.439 --> 01:09:23.640 they didn't really work on their satellites. But but do 1422 01:09:23.680 --> 01:09:25.680 we want the Justice League showing up in every episode. No, 1423 01:09:26.000 --> 01:09:28.039 we first of all, real world, we can't afford them. 1424 01:09:28.079 --> 01:09:30.359 But some of all, this is a Superman show. We 1425 01:09:30.359 --> 01:09:32.880 can't have them showing up over the mess. 1426 01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:35.560 Exactly like but you know, it would have been funny 1427 01:09:35.560 --> 01:09:37.239 if on one of the cameras you saw just a 1428 01:09:37.239 --> 01:09:38.079 little batsymbol. 1429 01:09:38.920 --> 01:09:43.399 Oh no, well that's right. A billionaire with wonderful toys, right, 1430 01:09:43.600 --> 01:09:45.560 and a wondrous woman who'll throwy for loop. One of 1431 01:09:45.600 --> 01:09:47.640 my most hated lions of the show. You probably like it, 1432 01:09:47.680 --> 01:09:52.840 don't you. You probably like that. I nerd out. It's ridiculous, 1433 01:09:52.880 --> 01:09:57.079 but it's great. I just like got just just don't 1434 01:09:57.119 --> 01:09:59.640 act like they exist. Don't have Chloe, say a lion 1435 01:09:59.720 --> 01:10:02.199 from eighty nine to tell me Batman exists, you know 1436 01:10:02.199 --> 01:10:07.520 what I'm saying. But they do in season eleven. There 1437 01:10:07.520 --> 01:10:12.800 it is so Clark Luthor. You know, he got himself 1438 01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:15.000 a nice coat along the way. Uh, I don't. Maybe 1439 01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:16.319 he had the coat, he took it off, he got 1440 01:10:16.319 --> 01:10:21.000 it back on. Yeah that's right. Wait Wait a minute, 1441 01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:26.439 Wait a minute, Wait a minute. So Clark switched places 1442 01:10:26.439 --> 01:10:29.960 with him, so he was naked in bed. Clark Luther 1443 01:10:30.039 --> 01:10:31.720 switched places with Clark. He should have been wearing that 1444 01:10:31.960 --> 01:10:34.880 blue shirt and jacket. Oh yes, he just immediately went 1445 01:10:34.920 --> 01:10:38.399 and got it. He just a suit. He immediately saw 1446 01:10:38.399 --> 01:10:40.720 it and was like, what the hell is this? And 1447 01:10:40.800 --> 01:10:43.119 he stole a suit. Okay, this I believe this guy 1448 01:10:43.119 --> 01:10:44.520 would do it. I believe this guy would do it. 1449 01:10:44.920 --> 01:10:47.319 But anyway, speaking of Clark Ruthor, he shows up and 1450 01:10:47.359 --> 01:10:49.520 he means business. He comes through the skylight. Oh that 1451 01:10:49.640 --> 01:10:53.600 was a great Superhero superl landing. Superl landing. That was 1452 01:10:53.600 --> 01:10:57.319 a great Superhero landing. And it was rolls backs and Lois. 1453 01:10:57.880 --> 01:11:01.640 That was really like I really like the dramatic, you 1454 01:11:01.680 --> 01:11:05.439 know in the editing, the the silence that followed that moment, 1455 01:11:05.640 --> 01:11:08.479 because usually I feel like there's those type of moments 1456 01:11:08.479 --> 01:11:10.479 like you know, Clark throws someone and you know he 1457 01:11:10.520 --> 01:11:12.800 does this and that, and there's like like the sound 1458 01:11:12.800 --> 01:11:15.800 effects and the music and but this was like really 1459 01:11:15.840 --> 01:11:19.439 emphasized the scariness of it. That is like bam and 1460 01:11:19.479 --> 01:11:22.640 then silence, deadly silence as he's looking. 1461 01:11:22.439 --> 01:11:26.600 Even his complete, even his complete just disregard for Loa. 1462 01:11:26.680 --> 01:11:27.960 She's like, oh, Clark, this is some kind of red 1463 01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:29.680 k episode we can work on. He just picture up 1464 01:11:29.720 --> 01:11:31.760 and throws her. Yeah, I'm like this is like like 1465 01:11:31.920 --> 01:11:32.960 violence is well. 1466 01:11:32.960 --> 01:11:37.600 Really emphasized what a monster ultraman is and there's there's 1467 01:11:37.880 --> 01:11:41.159 zero connection because there wouldn't be with Lois, you know. 1468 01:11:42.359 --> 01:11:44.920 Yeah, and I think he just superheard them. He's like 1469 01:11:44.920 --> 01:11:46.640 a remarkable which you can hear when you stop and listen. 1470 01:11:46.680 --> 01:11:48.159 I'm like, oh, that's how you found out of what's 1471 01:11:48.199 --> 01:11:50.960 going on? Right, Yes, so he keeps fit this. This 1472 01:11:51.000 --> 01:11:53.560 is a character tick that he has which comes into 1473 01:11:53.560 --> 01:11:55.680 play in the next episode that he's in, which they 1474 01:11:55.800 --> 01:11:57.359 plant the seats for it. Here he has his ring 1475 01:11:57.840 --> 01:11:59.640 and he keeps filling with it. Yeah, because you know 1476 01:11:59.640 --> 01:12:01.760 people have like jewelry and the like. He has his 1477 01:12:01.880 --> 01:12:04.079 tick and we see it. I'm like, they didn't just 1478 01:12:04.119 --> 01:12:08.640 invent that for the next time we see him, Yes, totally, yes, 1479 01:12:08.880 --> 01:12:11.239 Like so he tells tests like look, I want the 1480 01:12:11.279 --> 01:12:13.159 mirror box. Actually, what if I give it to He's 1481 01:12:13.159 --> 01:12:16.159 like hmm, then I'll kill you. I'm like, damn like that. See, 1482 01:12:16.159 --> 01:12:19.159 I'm like, okay, like Tom Welling, he's doing something here 1483 01:12:19.199 --> 01:12:23.760 with all. Yeah. So I think I mean, obviously Lionel 1484 01:12:23.920 --> 01:12:28.000 As Clark is number one Red K Clark a those 1485 01:12:28.039 --> 01:12:30.399 people call him should always annoy me, but col is 1486 01:12:30.479 --> 01:12:35.000 number two, then Ultraman, Yeah, and then Bizarre is probably 1487 01:12:35.039 --> 01:12:39.119 at the bottom the Guard with the Wars in terms 1488 01:12:39.159 --> 01:12:41.720 of your favorite alternate Clark. Yeah, that's how it ranked 1489 01:12:41.720 --> 01:12:43.439 the evil clerks of the show. 1490 01:12:43.560 --> 01:12:47.000 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree. I agree, Yeah, yeah, 1491 01:12:47.039 --> 01:12:47.880 that's a great ranking. 1492 01:12:48.000 --> 01:12:48.479 I agree. 1493 01:12:48.520 --> 01:12:54.479 And it's fun to see just completely uninhibited Ultraman. Uh 1494 01:12:54.800 --> 01:12:57.920 you know, yeah, he liked you know, he had his 1495 01:12:57.920 --> 01:13:01.039 fling with Tests in Earth too, but he's totally ready 1496 01:13:01.079 --> 01:13:02.800 to kill her if she doesn't do what he wants. 1497 01:13:02.800 --> 01:13:06.039 Like, yeah, I believe, and I believe. You've seen his 1498 01:13:06.079 --> 01:13:08.840 brutality and his reputation in the Other Earth, so you 1499 01:13:08.880 --> 01:13:11.279 know he'll do it. Yeah, he's Ryan P. Thrusts. So uh. 1500 01:13:11.399 --> 01:13:13.279 Then we go to a commercial. We come back right 1501 01:13:13.279 --> 01:13:16.479 on Earth too. We're in Lionel's office as we find out, 1502 01:13:16.520 --> 01:13:20.920 and and Tess is going through the Veritas journals, rips 1503 01:13:20.960 --> 01:13:22.920 out a page of the Mirror Box, a new page 1504 01:13:22.920 --> 01:13:25.600 of the I love like keep adding these pages? Was 1505 01:13:25.600 --> 01:13:31.039 there along? Right? And hey, Cassidy Freeman gets some scenes 1506 01:13:31.039 --> 01:13:33.079 with John glomer How about that we were talking about 1507 01:13:33.079 --> 01:13:34.960 one of Mike rosmant to get some more Cassidy Freeman 1508 01:13:35.000 --> 01:13:36.159 gets some so great. 1509 01:13:36.800 --> 01:13:39.640 The two of them played so so well off of 1510 01:13:39.640 --> 01:13:44.239 each other, and like she Cassidy did does such a 1511 01:13:44.279 --> 01:13:47.880 great job of just showing her heartbreak and you know, 1512 01:13:48.760 --> 01:13:50.680 you like trying trying to be tough and trying to 1513 01:13:50.720 --> 01:13:53.000 do you know, but but like just how sad she 1514 01:13:53.159 --> 01:13:56.960 is that Lionel is just so cruel to her and dismissive, 1515 01:13:57.479 --> 01:14:01.520 and you know, John Glovery is just so heartless in 1516 01:14:01.560 --> 01:14:04.359 the scene. It's great because it's like you really see 1517 01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:07.640 as evil as earth One Lionel is, you know, and 1518 01:14:07.640 --> 01:14:10.640 it was until his whole redemption, you know, I. 1519 01:14:10.600 --> 01:14:13.079 Feel like a lot of. 1520 01:14:14.760 --> 01:14:17.479 Yeah, he did still love Lex in his twisted way, 1521 01:14:17.520 --> 01:14:22.880 and he even with an illegitimate son like Lucas, you know, 1522 01:14:23.000 --> 01:14:24.600 I mean he was ready to kill him, but like 1523 01:14:25.000 --> 01:14:29.079 but he and he tried to kill him. 1524 01:14:31.640 --> 01:14:33.720 I love that scene. So he should have just killed him. 1525 01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:35.880 He should have killed They might as well have killed him. 1526 01:14:35.920 --> 01:14:37.840 If they killed him, then they wouldn't have to worry 1527 01:14:37.840 --> 01:14:44.720 about continuity. Like but but even when he's like manipulating Lucas, 1528 01:14:44.800 --> 01:14:48.840 let's say, there's still a lot of guile and charm, 1529 01:14:48.960 --> 01:14:51.920 like false charm and like I'm just gonna tell this 1530 01:14:52.000 --> 01:14:54.680 kid what he wants, you know, and pretend to be 1531 01:14:54.720 --> 01:14:57.520 a nice dad or whatever, like even though he's just 1532 01:14:57.520 --> 01:15:00.359 my bastard son and I don't really care where is 1533 01:15:00.439 --> 01:15:04.079 in earth to you. It's like he's just like says 1534 01:15:04.119 --> 01:15:06.760 exactly what he's thinking to tests and he knows it's 1535 01:15:06.800 --> 01:15:09.479 gonna crush her, and he just like goes for the juguler. 1536 01:15:10.279 --> 01:15:12.560 Yeah, and he knows everything about what's going on. So 1537 01:15:12.560 --> 01:15:14.960 it's funny he comes in here the the the Veritas 1538 01:15:15.119 --> 01:15:18.600 book is a jar. So oh doing research for for 1539 01:15:18.680 --> 01:15:21.439 that ill advised coup. It's a great tragedy. You and 1540 01:15:21.479 --> 01:15:23.319 your brother are playing. Yes, I know all about that, Like, 1541 01:15:23.479 --> 01:15:25.199 so he knows that. I buy it. Man, he's he's 1542 01:15:25.239 --> 01:15:27.159 boundering everybody. I mean, this is how he's got to 1543 01:15:27.199 --> 01:15:29.239 stay on top. Yeah, he's got to know what's going on. 1544 01:15:29.279 --> 01:15:31.359 It's only his only way to survive. By the way, 1545 01:15:31.560 --> 01:15:33.760 I noticed that there's a Bonzeye tree on his desk. 1546 01:15:33.960 --> 01:15:35.920 I don't know if there's ever been one there before. 1547 01:15:36.560 --> 01:15:38.159 That's a nice touch. And it reminded me that there's 1548 01:15:38.159 --> 01:15:40.119 a scene shout out to the guys in the All 1549 01:15:40.119 --> 01:15:44.279 Star super Fan podcast because they love the John Shay 1550 01:15:44.359 --> 01:15:47.199 LICKSU thro oh a whole scene, he's like clipping a 1551 01:15:47.279 --> 01:15:51.279 bonzeye tree talking about it. Yes, I made me think that, yes, 1552 01:15:51.359 --> 01:15:54.880 this is a specific thing, that's what he would do. Yes. 1553 01:15:55.560 --> 01:15:57.399 Oh, I feel like that had to have been like 1554 01:15:57.479 --> 01:16:00.960 an intentional not intentional Yeah maybe maybe, I mean yeah, 1555 01:16:01.079 --> 01:16:02.960 but seeing it just made me think of that. I 1556 01:16:03.039 --> 01:16:05.079 know they've talked about that before, so I can just 1557 01:16:05.119 --> 01:16:10.359 see Lionel monologue clipping away, which again one of the 1558 01:16:10.399 --> 01:16:13.800 missed opportunities John Shay lex one of the clones. 1559 01:16:13.840 --> 01:16:16.319 We talked about that before, all these clones. Why is 1560 01:16:16.399 --> 01:16:20.359 John Shane I want to Oh my goodness, man, he 1561 01:16:20.479 --> 01:16:22.199 was doing you next. You can do that, you can 1562 01:16:22.239 --> 01:16:26.520 do small realize Anyway, Lionel has that line to her 1563 01:16:26.560 --> 01:16:29.920 about being a whore. Basically that's what he says, and 1564 01:16:30.000 --> 01:16:33.800 she slaps him, like, hey, good for you. Test right, Well, 1565 01:16:33.800 --> 01:16:35.319 that just makes what I have to do a whole 1566 01:16:35.359 --> 01:16:37.640 lot easier than call security. And like, I think he's 1567 01:16:37.720 --> 01:16:39.680 just had to execute it after this man, Like, I 1568 01:16:39.680 --> 01:16:42.560 don't know if we see her again, test crazy. I 1569 01:16:43.239 --> 01:16:44.720 didn't even think of that. I thought he was just 1570 01:16:44.720 --> 01:16:46.760 throwing her out, But I could easily see that. Just 1571 01:16:47.920 --> 01:16:50.119 like she's like, well, why you'll never love Clark, Like, 1572 01:16:50.560 --> 01:16:52.760 of course you love Clark. He's a god among men, 1573 01:16:52.840 --> 01:16:55.399 you know. So I just feel so bad for both 1574 01:16:55.439 --> 01:16:56.760 test tests. A tragic character. 1575 01:16:56.960 --> 01:17:00.840 She really is cheated terribly by both Lionels and with universes, 1576 01:17:00.960 --> 01:17:02.680 like in different ways. 1577 01:17:02.439 --> 01:17:04.720 You know, talk about Leani into the comics though more roka, 1578 01:17:04.800 --> 01:17:06.840 like they should have just had to be Lena Luther. 1579 01:17:07.199 --> 01:17:10.439 I was gonna say, and like call Clark Julian and 1580 01:17:10.479 --> 01:17:13.079 call her and Lena, But again, I think they don't 1581 01:17:13.079 --> 01:17:15.399 want to confuse the audience. I think that's what it is. 1582 01:17:15.479 --> 01:17:17.720 I was gonna say, if she was Yeah, if she 1583 01:17:17.960 --> 01:17:20.720 was Leana, like that would have made so much sense, 1584 01:17:20.840 --> 01:17:21.560 right because that's. 1585 01:17:21.399 --> 01:17:25.880 Her middle Lea Luthor. Then fine, but just just you're 1586 01:17:25.920 --> 01:17:29.960 calling him ultra man's just just go with her. She 1587 01:17:30.039 --> 01:17:32.319 picks up this picture, this is this photoshop picture of 1588 01:17:32.359 --> 01:17:36.039 like young Clark and younger John Glover. She's like, why 1589 01:17:36.079 --> 01:17:37.760 couldn't you love me the way you love Clark? And 1590 01:17:37.800 --> 01:17:43.159 he's like, well you just weren't that special, dam and 1591 01:17:43.239 --> 01:17:46.880 she shatters the picture and it's so cruel. Take her away. 1592 01:17:47.319 --> 01:17:49.079 She's like he's going to betray you. And she's right, 1593 01:17:49.279 --> 01:17:51.720 I mean she is she is right. Yeah, but what 1594 01:17:51.800 --> 01:17:53.319 a great what a great So, what a gift for 1595 01:17:53.439 --> 01:17:56.319 Cassie Freeman to have scenes with John Looverlow there we'll 1596 01:17:56.319 --> 01:17:58.119 talk about the finale. She's the one that's the scenes 1597 01:17:58.159 --> 01:18:01.880 with him, Yes, she and he's just as contestating to 1598 01:18:01.920 --> 01:18:04.680 her there. He's like, flex is a visionary. You're not like, 1599 01:18:07.760 --> 01:18:11.039 oh my god, this is great stuff, so so good. 1600 01:18:11.119 --> 01:18:12.920 And I think another reason we enjoy it so much 1601 01:18:12.960 --> 01:18:14.800 is like it's cements her as Luthor, like it all 1602 01:18:14.920 --> 01:18:17.239 just fits into place, Like Lionel's talking to her like 1603 01:18:17.279 --> 01:18:20.119 it's all like it's an alternate Earth, so it makes sense. 1604 01:18:20.159 --> 01:18:22.680 And she she doesn't feel out of place, doesn't feel 1605 01:18:22.680 --> 01:18:24.600 like you try to weirdly graft her on, like she 1606 01:18:24.720 --> 01:18:25.359 fits right in. 1607 01:18:25.560 --> 01:18:29.600 Yes, it's it really just adds so much to her character. 1608 01:18:29.800 --> 01:18:35.520 And it's really uh interesting to see the just the 1609 01:18:35.600 --> 01:18:38.720 dynamic in just that one scene, you know, like that's 1610 01:18:38.800 --> 01:18:41.479 that scene in that short amount of time just told 1611 01:18:41.560 --> 01:18:44.119 us everything we need to know about their whole dynamic 1612 01:18:44.239 --> 01:18:44.520 on Earth. 1613 01:18:45.520 --> 01:18:49.560 Right, So we stayed on Lionel's face, He's like considering 1614 01:18:49.560 --> 01:18:52.039 what Test said, and maybe and he's like, hmm, she's right, 1615 01:18:52.079 --> 01:18:54.520 maybe Clark is gonna betray me. So Clark goes to 1616 01:18:54.560 --> 01:18:57.520 the fortress. You know, we're in a bit of a 1617 01:18:57.520 --> 01:18:59.239 tell spout right now, and Lionel's like, i'd call that 1618 01:18:59.359 --> 01:18:59.960 another state. 1619 01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:03.800 That whole part made me laugh because, like one, it 1620 01:19:03.840 --> 01:19:06.000 made me laugh of when he says that about we're 1621 01:19:06.039 --> 01:19:08.680 not on good terms or whatever to Durell, because because 1622 01:19:08.800 --> 01:19:11.680 I haven't revisited season ten in a while, I was like, 1623 01:19:12.000 --> 01:19:13.960 that just made me laugh because it was like I 1624 01:19:14.039 --> 01:19:15.920 forgot why, but I was just like, when are they not? 1625 01:19:16.079 --> 01:19:17.920 And when are when are they in a good spot? 1626 01:19:18.000 --> 01:19:21.199 You know, like and then and then just that's an 1627 01:19:21.279 --> 01:19:22.279 understatement and he. 1628 01:19:24.079 --> 01:19:27.239 Alid this reminds me of when he takes over the caves, right, yeah, 1629 01:19:27.319 --> 01:19:29.039 season three, That's what I was thinking. 1630 01:19:29.159 --> 01:19:32.239 Yeah, yeah, I was thinking of the him taking over 1631 01:19:32.279 --> 01:19:36.399 the caves and les of course finding the fortress. There's 1632 01:19:36.439 --> 01:19:39.359 just some in season seven, you know, like there's just something. 1633 01:19:39.199 --> 01:19:43.239 Step above from the barn. Yeah, there's just something really 1634 01:19:43.279 --> 01:19:47.479 creepy and sinister and wrong about seeing a Luther in 1635 01:19:47.880 --> 01:19:53.439 the Fortress of Solitude. And yes, yeah too even right yeah, yeah, 1636 01:19:53.479 --> 01:19:55.920 So It's funny because I'm like, has Lionel been in 1637 01:19:55.920 --> 01:19:57.840 the Fortress four? And I thought, yes, and hidden when 1638 01:19:57.880 --> 01:20:00.159 he's the the when he's the Oracle of Jorel, like 1639 01:20:00.199 --> 01:20:02.199 Lionel's there, but he's not, like they're there, but his 1640 01:20:02.239 --> 01:20:04.760 body is there. So yes. But this is a fun scene. 1641 01:20:04.760 --> 01:20:07.000 You know, Lionel starts quoting Leers, like wherever lear Son 1642 01:20:07.520 --> 01:20:08.600 he had the three children? 1643 01:20:09.239 --> 01:20:13.159 It might as you as you know, I love Shakespeare 1644 01:20:13.199 --> 01:20:16.479 and so it was really fun, like rewatching that that scene. 1645 01:20:17.159 --> 01:20:19.920 One of the classes, the drama film classes that I taught, 1646 01:20:20.039 --> 01:20:22.319 we would always do Shakespeare plays and turn them into 1647 01:20:22.399 --> 01:20:25.720 movies and uh and yeah. So it was really fun, 1648 01:20:25.760 --> 01:20:27.560 and we did one of our years, we did King 1649 01:20:27.640 --> 01:20:30.039 Lear as a spaghetti western like Good, the Bad, and 1650 01:20:30.079 --> 01:20:35.479 the Ugly style. But when I was describing King Lear 1651 01:20:35.560 --> 01:20:37.680 to the students who didn't know anything about it, I 1652 01:20:37.720 --> 01:20:40.039 pretty much just quoted Lionel like. 1653 01:20:42.319 --> 01:20:44.800 It's very if he can explain it succinctly to confuse 1654 01:20:44.880 --> 01:20:49.479 Clark over here. Well, and and I'm one of their like, oh, 1655 01:20:49.479 --> 01:20:51.439 we can't mention lucas a screws up our analogy, so 1656 01:20:51.520 --> 01:20:54.479 let's just ignore him. Forget about it, but on Earth 1657 01:20:54.520 --> 01:20:58.079 too didn't exist? Fine, perfect works, it works. It's you know, 1658 01:20:58.119 --> 01:20:59.960 he has the two sons fighting and the one who 1659 01:21:00.159 --> 01:21:02.159 at the least and or the two kid whatever, right, yes, 1660 01:21:02.239 --> 01:21:06.079 the the so so in his analogy, right, it's like 1661 01:21:06.840 --> 01:21:10.399 he's coming to terms with that Lex in this universe 1662 01:21:11.399 --> 01:21:14.159 was maybe the son, the child that loved him the most. 1663 01:21:14.560 --> 01:21:15.439 Right is when he's. 1664 01:21:15.439 --> 01:21:20.319 He's saying that he that was his, uh Cordelia, like 1665 01:21:20.359 --> 01:21:23.159 that was his, the one that was the good child 1666 01:21:23.880 --> 01:21:29.439 that he disowned, right right, yeah, which is interesting like. 1667 01:21:29.640 --> 01:21:33.039 The show, we can't get him back, you know why? 1668 01:21:34.560 --> 01:21:37.680 That's good? Like I have no idea what occurred? Right, 1669 01:21:38.039 --> 01:21:40.359 but Clark's like I killed Lex. I'm like, I don't 1670 01:21:40.399 --> 01:21:43.000 know what happened there? Like did he did he? Did 1671 01:21:43.079 --> 01:21:44.960 that happen in the incident where he scarred him and 1672 01:21:44.960 --> 01:21:47.439 then he killed him? After that? I don't know? 1673 01:21:47.560 --> 01:21:50.479 And later later later Lionel says, I let you kill Lex. 1674 01:21:50.680 --> 01:21:54.079 So it's like he he knew Clark was planning to 1675 01:21:54.159 --> 01:21:58.600 kill him, right, Like, but it would be I would 1676 01:21:58.600 --> 01:22:02.439 love to have seen flashback of but of course that 1677 01:22:02.479 --> 01:22:06.000 would have needed a right, let's flashback of that? 1678 01:22:06.039 --> 01:22:08.319 But but how old were they when that happen? You think, oh, yeah, 1679 01:22:08.319 --> 01:22:10.960 because he could have just been kids sending kids bring 1680 01:22:10.960 --> 01:22:14.760 back they could bring up like Junger actress. That's and 1681 01:22:14.800 --> 01:22:16.640 so that's that's a good thing to talk about her. 1682 01:22:16.720 --> 01:22:18.720 Like there's so much you could look at it as 1683 01:22:18.720 --> 01:22:20.720 missed opportunity, Like if you go to an altern universe 1684 01:22:21.000 --> 01:22:24.960 and like where's Lex, Where's Jimmy, where's Coley? I'm like, 1685 01:22:25.119 --> 01:22:27.520 all valid questions. I mean, we get the Jonathan and 1686 01:22:27.560 --> 01:22:29.840 Martha answer in the next episode on Earth too, so 1687 01:22:29.880 --> 01:22:32.920 that covers that. But they're telling such a good story 1688 01:22:32.920 --> 01:22:34.680 that I'm not cut up in that same I'm like, 1689 01:22:34.680 --> 01:22:38.520 where's where's Wada? Shouldn't she be around? Right, don't worry 1690 01:22:38.560 --> 01:22:40.880 about that. Don't worry about that exactly. It's like you're 1691 01:22:40.920 --> 01:22:43.479 just you're You're in the moment with the story. This 1692 01:22:43.560 --> 01:22:45.720 is the story they're telling on this alternate Earth. I 1693 01:22:45.800 --> 01:22:48.439 gotta be cool because oh, if Wanda was around in theory, right, 1694 01:22:48.479 --> 01:22:50.760 But like, no, no, no, that's gonna just be a distraction. 1695 01:22:50.880 --> 01:22:54.880 So yeah, but uh, Winea pulls out this paper. He's like, 1696 01:22:55.119 --> 01:22:57.119 it's very confusing. You were looking for this because I 1697 01:22:57.159 --> 01:22:59.199 thought we were all looking for things to uh to 1698 01:22:59.239 --> 01:23:02.439 destroy anything fun kryptod and I that's exactly what they 1699 01:23:02.439 --> 01:23:06.439 would do, because you should probably should have anywhere, right 1700 01:23:06.479 --> 01:23:09.840 because all the pro Zaw Doomsday, all these things Dark 1701 01:23:09.920 --> 01:23:13.479 Site came from a Kryptonian portal or whatever. Krypton is bad. 1702 01:23:14.000 --> 01:23:16.039 Yeah, when you think about it, is there ever besides 1703 01:23:16.079 --> 01:23:19.279 the fortress? Is there ever anything that comes from Krypton 1704 01:23:19.319 --> 01:23:19.840 that's helpful? 1705 01:23:20.760 --> 01:23:22.560 I mean, Henry Cavill had a right man, Krypton had 1706 01:23:22.560 --> 01:23:27.199 his chance. It's a shamber, right, I mean seriously, Lionel 1707 01:23:27.199 --> 01:23:29.520 tells Kark and oh Oliver Queen him and his family 1708 01:23:29.520 --> 01:23:32.880 had possession of it when Veritas was dissolved. I'm like, oh, okay, 1709 01:23:32.960 --> 01:23:36.439 very okay, Yeah, totally fine with Veritas in the university. 1710 01:23:37.199 --> 01:23:38.960 I lean into it. Right, he had the best and 1711 01:23:39.199 --> 01:23:40.600 for people who haven't heard it, I don't know what 1712 01:23:40.600 --> 01:23:42.800 probably was Traveler the episode were on together talking about 1713 01:23:43.159 --> 01:23:46.399 you had the best alternate idea for Vertos where it's 1714 01:23:46.439 --> 01:23:49.159 like the Queens and the Tigues and the Swans could 1715 01:23:49.159 --> 01:23:51.119 all done it. And then Lionel was like, I want 1716 01:23:51.159 --> 01:23:52.800 in on this group and I'm gonna kill you all off, 1717 01:23:52.840 --> 01:23:55.720 and you know, like that's yes, instead of him knowing 1718 01:23:55.760 --> 01:23:57.840 all along. Yeah, it makes so much sense. Thank you. 1719 01:23:57.880 --> 01:24:00.600 I forgot about my theory but yes, I mean my idea, 1720 01:24:00.640 --> 01:24:03.319 but yes, yeah, that would have made so much sense. Right, 1721 01:24:03.399 --> 01:24:06.279 It's like they still could have had their secret society thing, 1722 01:24:06.399 --> 01:24:10.880 but not You're doing a total mess up of continuity. 1723 01:24:11.359 --> 01:24:14.199 Yeah, it's just right. Cons Lionel one through seven, and 1724 01:24:14.239 --> 01:24:18.199 I know Clark is the traveler anyway, but I like 1725 01:24:18.239 --> 01:24:20.920 the little little sprinkling that little references there. So he's 1726 01:24:20.960 --> 01:24:23.800 turned Clark onto Oliver Queen. 1727 01:24:23.760 --> 01:24:27.720 Which, by the way, was I forgot that and rewatching 1728 01:24:27.760 --> 01:24:30.680 it until later. I forgot that Lionel was lying, so 1729 01:24:30.720 --> 01:24:33.079 that was right doublecross. 1730 01:24:33.319 --> 01:24:36.479 Yeah, that was really great. So I just yeah, I 1731 01:24:36.600 --> 01:24:38.159 just want to make a proud dad and he's like 1732 01:24:38.520 --> 01:24:38.840 thank you. 1733 01:24:39.439 --> 01:24:41.800 Oh yeah that moment too, when when he puts his 1734 01:24:41.880 --> 01:24:44.319 hand on Clark and then Clark like backs away. 1735 01:24:45.039 --> 01:24:47.399 Were you thinking of that moment? Did it remind the 1736 01:24:47.479 --> 01:24:48.239 series finale? 1737 01:24:48.680 --> 01:24:51.439 I was I was going to say, oh yeah, that dude, No, 1738 01:24:51.479 --> 01:24:53.960 I was gonna say from Legacy when he's like, after all, 1739 01:24:54.079 --> 01:24:55.079 you only get one. 1740 01:24:55.479 --> 01:25:00.960 All right, Yeah, what do you doing down here? It 1741 01:25:01.079 --> 01:25:06.560 must be hard to see him so weak. Yeah. So seriously, 1742 01:25:06.600 --> 01:25:09.199 like again, like I have not had as much fun 1743 01:25:09.239 --> 01:25:12.239 watching a season ten episode as this one just because 1744 01:25:12.239 --> 01:25:16.600 of the presence of John Glover, just totally just he's magnetic. Man, 1745 01:25:16.800 --> 01:25:17.880 He's so magnetic, you know. 1746 01:25:18.760 --> 01:25:23.520 Side personal note, I've for years obviously wanted to work 1747 01:25:23.560 --> 01:25:25.279 with him, you know, as a director because I make 1748 01:25:25.319 --> 01:25:28.880 movies and stuff, and you know, I don't know if 1749 01:25:28.880 --> 01:25:34.319 he's really acting like anymore at eighty or not. 1750 01:25:34.479 --> 01:25:36.960 But he's He's mentioned that like he doesn't take a 1751 01:25:37.000 --> 01:25:38.279 lot of jobs and more because it takes him so 1752 01:25:38.359 --> 01:25:41.119 long to rememborize lions, right, because he's like he's back 1753 01:25:41.159 --> 01:25:42.680 in the day, it takes me a day, but now 1754 01:25:42.680 --> 01:25:43.880 I'm like it give me a week, you know. 1755 01:25:44.079 --> 01:25:45.880 Yeah, So maybe the key is just not not to 1756 01:25:45.920 --> 01:25:48.119 write him too many lions and it's. 1757 01:25:47.920 --> 01:25:49.880 Something where you can read off of or he's like 1758 01:25:50.239 --> 01:25:54.079 Marlon Brendo style. Yeah, Like, okay, John Glover, if you're listening, 1759 01:25:54.840 --> 01:25:58.520 Oh man, we cut to the the the engagement party 1760 01:25:58.520 --> 01:26:01.079 for Lowis and Oliver, right those and all of ours, yes, 1761 01:26:01.119 --> 01:26:03.079 which is so interesting. At the Ace of Clubs. So 1762 01:26:03.119 --> 01:26:06.439 there's the little flyer here. It's on Friday December twelfth, 1763 01:26:06.439 --> 01:26:09.479 twenty ten. That's when this day is taking place. So 1764 01:26:09.479 --> 01:26:12.319 when when is that farm four quote is you know what? 1765 01:26:12.399 --> 01:26:14.039 You know what, I'll be too hard on it. That 1766 01:26:14.239 --> 01:26:17.279 sign this is July left over six months ago. There 1767 01:26:17.319 --> 01:26:19.960 we go. I just didn't take it down. Makes sense. 1768 01:26:20.399 --> 01:26:25.119 Sure it air tight, air tight. He's out there. You 1769 01:26:25.159 --> 01:26:27.239 know he doesn't like the crowd. The crowd doesn't like him. 1770 01:26:27.279 --> 01:26:29.399 Apparently it was like the whole world doesn't hate He 1771 01:26:29.439 --> 01:26:31.600 was like, yeah, no, just the Greater Metropolitan area because 1772 01:26:31.640 --> 01:26:34.720 he's buying up these these I guess small being a 1773 01:26:34.720 --> 01:26:38.800 small town right outside the city right established, he's buying 1774 01:26:38.840 --> 01:26:41.880 up this land. He's a real estate guy. He's he's 1775 01:26:41.880 --> 01:26:44.680 he's kind of lex and Bruce Wayne, now yeah, land 1776 01:26:45.479 --> 01:26:49.239 and he is he's the Donna verse like Sluper and 1777 01:26:49.319 --> 01:26:53.560 he's Bruce. He's a lot more Bruce Wayne here than Doliver, 1778 01:26:53.640 --> 01:26:56.119 Queen of our universes. Well, was it just me or 1779 01:26:56.199 --> 01:26:59.159 did you that building in the background did it look 1780 01:26:59.239 --> 01:27:02.520 like the like, I know, I know what you want 1781 01:27:02.520 --> 01:27:07.000 you're talking about. It's like the Wayne Tower. Likely, but Oliver, 1782 01:27:07.159 --> 01:27:08.760 like he really does love this loss and he's like, 1783 01:27:08.800 --> 01:27:10.479 why me? You know, it's the lowest. He's like, because 1784 01:27:10.479 --> 01:27:12.880 you're like you're a good man. He said, well there's 1785 01:27:12.880 --> 01:27:14.560 better people out there, Like, well there is, I haven't 1786 01:27:14.560 --> 01:27:18.359 found him. So that's that's an interesting undercurrent, Like yeah, 1787 01:27:18.399 --> 01:27:20.800 they're together by default because this Clark is evil. 1788 01:27:21.159 --> 01:27:24.359 Yes, yes, totally, Like it's well it's and it's so 1789 01:27:24.520 --> 01:27:27.159 interesting because it's like I think about that stuff all 1790 01:27:27.199 --> 01:27:29.960 the time as a hopeless romantic, you know, like the 1791 01:27:30.039 --> 01:27:32.760 butterfly effect thing, you know, of like if this thing 1792 01:27:32.840 --> 01:27:35.199 happens and that thing happens, and is this a sign 1793 01:27:35.239 --> 01:27:37.399 from the universe? And then I meant to be with 1794 01:27:37.479 --> 01:27:39.720 this perer you know, like like that whole thing, And 1795 01:27:39.880 --> 01:27:42.439 so I think it's really interesting to see it in 1796 01:27:43.000 --> 01:27:46.720 this context of like the alternate reality, and it makes 1797 01:27:46.760 --> 01:27:49.199 you think about like just in life, you know, like 1798 01:27:49.600 --> 01:27:52.680 ex girlfriend, like what in our alternate reality will we 1799 01:27:52.720 --> 01:27:54.479 be together? Or what I be with someone else entire 1800 01:27:54.560 --> 01:27:56.359 you know, all that kind of stuff. It's like, uh, 1801 01:27:57.039 --> 01:27:58.920 that's one of the cool things about sci fi. It 1802 01:27:59.039 --> 01:28:01.119 can you can really related to life in that way. 1803 01:28:01.319 --> 01:28:02.960 No, that's the funt of all these alternate you know, 1804 01:28:03.199 --> 01:28:06.279 infinite possibilities, right, so you know, every every choice you 1805 01:28:06.359 --> 01:28:08.720 make creates a branch and who knows where how different 1806 01:28:08.720 --> 01:28:10.680 your life would be. That that's the certain thing about 1807 01:28:10.760 --> 01:28:12.319 some of these I mean, honestly, some of these alternate 1808 01:28:12.399 --> 01:28:15.000 universes where it's like he gets really close to like 1809 01:28:15.119 --> 01:28:19.119 our life. He gets like, you know, if everybody's making 1810 01:28:19.159 --> 01:28:22.359 different choices, like it'd be radically be unrecognizable. But yeah, 1811 01:28:23.319 --> 01:28:24.680 I feel bad for this off because like, hey, I 1812 01:28:24.720 --> 01:28:26.199 really too love you, and most is like, oh, like 1813 01:28:26.479 --> 01:28:28.880 and you can tell that he likes her? Yes, yeah, 1814 01:28:29.000 --> 01:28:32.439 totally to always tell everybody you can always So they're 1815 01:28:32.439 --> 01:28:34.399 about to kiss and then Clark super Speeds are away. 1816 01:28:35.039 --> 01:28:37.560 Oh my god, that surprised me. I forgot about that 1817 01:28:37.720 --> 01:28:41.039 moment and I was like, whoa like cleric? That was 1818 01:28:41.279 --> 01:28:43.119 like I was applauding his. 1819 01:28:44.880 --> 01:28:47.520 Actually using a luther like tactic to get what he 1820 01:28:47.640 --> 01:28:51.000 wanted for the scene, you know, like because he calls 1821 01:28:51.039 --> 01:28:54.920 Oliver on the phones and the mirror Boxing Possession, give 1822 01:28:54.920 --> 01:28:57.079 it to me, text me the address Lowis will be fine. 1823 01:28:57.159 --> 01:28:59.800 So he's it's an exchange. He's like on exchange Lois 1824 01:28:59.840 --> 01:29:02.720 for the yeah for the horror box. Right, And this 1825 01:29:02.840 --> 01:29:05.640 is a really great scene between Lewis and uh Clark here. 1826 01:29:05.920 --> 01:29:09.720 Oh I love that scene. Actually, that scene, no joke, 1827 01:29:10.680 --> 01:29:12.600 it made me tear up a little bit. That scene 1828 01:29:12.600 --> 01:29:15.760 when he's when he's explaining, you know, you're a terrible speller. 1829 01:29:15.800 --> 01:29:19.000 You misspell normal words that are free, alarming. 1830 01:29:18.720 --> 01:29:19.479 Alarming words. 1831 01:29:19.920 --> 01:29:22.600 Yeah, and he's saying all the different things about her 1832 01:29:22.720 --> 01:29:25.359 that he loves, and like, I could just I could 1833 01:29:25.399 --> 01:29:27.680 really relate to that scene. And it was a great moment, 1834 01:29:27.840 --> 01:29:31.680 you know. And then with his you know, with his 1835 01:29:31.760 --> 01:29:33.840 final line about I can't live in a in a 1836 01:29:33.880 --> 01:29:35.439 world where you don't love me, I was like, oh 1837 01:29:35.720 --> 01:29:40.279 the fels emotions, my emotions. And it comes back so 1838 01:29:40.399 --> 01:29:42.840 full circle at the end with that moment with the 1839 01:29:42.880 --> 01:29:44.479 two of them when she's the only one who can 1840 01:29:45.199 --> 01:29:47.199 can tell I'm me and she looks in his eyes 1841 01:29:47.239 --> 01:29:47.640 and sees it. 1842 01:29:47.680 --> 01:29:51.199 Like such a beautiful moment, absolutely, and she has this pipe, 1843 01:29:51.279 --> 01:29:54.119 but she's gonna use against him. Hey, she's not going 1844 01:29:54.159 --> 01:29:56.479 now without a fight, right. She thinks he's gonna kill her, right, 1845 01:29:57.079 --> 01:29:58.800 but no, it's it's a beautiful scene where he's trying 1846 01:29:58.840 --> 01:30:00.399 to convince her like you can see, you know, you 1847 01:30:00.520 --> 01:30:01.760 can know what I'm lying. You don't tell the truth. 1848 01:30:01.760 --> 01:30:03.880 Then he leaves that great line like you said, ah, 1849 01:30:04.800 --> 01:30:07.079 and then that probably leaves her like, oh, I'm stuck 1850 01:30:07.119 --> 01:30:12.239 with Oliver Queens. I want this Clark because clearly, clearly 1851 01:30:12.319 --> 01:30:15.279 she she knows, like you know, she's settling for Oliver Queen. 1852 01:30:15.319 --> 01:30:18.000 I think they communicate that. Yeah, it's like, I mean, 1853 01:30:18.039 --> 01:30:20.439 you're a good guy. I mean you know, yeah, it's yeah, 1854 01:30:20.479 --> 01:30:23.159 it's like yeah, it's like it's it's the did you 1855 01:30:23.199 --> 01:30:26.520 ever watch the show How I Met Your Mother? I 1856 01:30:26.800 --> 01:30:27.119 know of it. 1857 01:30:27.199 --> 01:30:30.199 Yes, you know, there's a whole thing about like this 1858 01:30:30.319 --> 01:30:33.319 modelogue about like the the thing that's just the almost 1859 01:30:33.399 --> 01:30:35.640 the thing you want, but it's not one hundred percent 1860 01:30:35.840 --> 01:30:36.960 the thing you want in a person. 1861 01:30:37.239 --> 01:30:39.319 And it's like that's her and Oliver here, you know. 1862 01:30:39.439 --> 01:30:39.840 There it is. 1863 01:30:40.399 --> 01:30:42.319 But you know the show that they just keep hanging 1864 01:30:42.319 --> 01:30:45.359 on that little Olliver thing, finding ways to work it in. 1865 01:30:45.880 --> 01:30:50.359 Speaking of Oliver, he has sent Clark the location for 1866 01:30:50.439 --> 01:30:53.279 the exchange and it's currently the watch Tower. So cool 1867 01:30:53.279 --> 01:30:56.239 because we have that set. I mean, like, I'm not 1868 01:30:56.279 --> 01:30:58.319 gonna I'm not gonna complain about it because it makes 1869 01:30:58.359 --> 01:30:59.960 the whole switch root great at the end and all 1870 01:31:00.039 --> 01:31:01.760 that stuff, like the fact that there's no reason for 1871 01:31:01.800 --> 01:31:02.720 them to be in the same building. 1872 01:31:03.159 --> 01:31:05.600 Fine, it's fine, but you know all buy it, right, 1873 01:31:05.680 --> 01:31:07.760 It's like, you know, well, and what was cool to 1874 01:31:07.960 --> 01:31:11.399 this this scene and connecting it also with the last 1875 01:31:11.399 --> 01:31:14.520 scene with the with the roof, Like I like this 1876 01:31:14.680 --> 01:31:19.479 whole kind of switching roles with you know, in the 1877 01:31:19.520 --> 01:31:22.520 alternate universe, like switching roles with Lex in a way 1878 01:31:22.560 --> 01:31:25.880 where like in like when he's on the roof with Lois, 1879 01:31:26.479 --> 01:31:30.800 from Lois's perspective, at first, thinking it's ultraman, right, it 1880 01:31:30.880 --> 01:31:33.319 seems like we're going to get what would be a 1881 01:31:33.520 --> 01:31:36.439 traditional iconic Lex and Lois on the roof scene, which 1882 01:31:36.600 --> 01:31:39.720 we know ends traditionally with him pushing her off the roof, right, 1883 01:31:41.000 --> 01:31:41.680 pretty little. 1884 01:31:41.520 --> 01:31:45.199 Thing called Lois le But then instaid we get the 1885 01:31:45.640 --> 01:31:48.840 superman in Lewis, you know, and taking a BVS like 1886 01:31:48.880 --> 01:31:51.199 this is very BVS with all of her, like you know, 1887 01:31:51.720 --> 01:31:55.960 front Clark is the mysterious ultramat of a Trumples, Like 1888 01:31:56.039 --> 01:31:58.359 this is totally a trap that Batman would set for 1889 01:31:58.560 --> 01:31:59.359 one hundred percent. 1890 01:31:59.439 --> 01:32:01.399 Yeah, when he says that about I've had all these 1891 01:32:01.520 --> 01:32:04.279 all these mouse traps around the around the city for 1892 01:32:04.359 --> 01:32:07.159 your waiting for your rat ass to show like, it's yeah, 1893 01:32:07.359 --> 01:32:09.000 very very Batman. 1894 01:32:08.800 --> 01:32:11.680 Totally, Like I love his line about Ultramann. That name sucks, 1895 01:32:11.760 --> 01:32:15.840 by the way, so funny. It's such an Oliver things. 1896 01:32:16.319 --> 01:32:19.920 Those those things are what separate Oliver from Batmanda like that. Yes, 1897 01:32:19.960 --> 01:32:22.399 Batman wouldn't say something funny, would not say that for 1898 01:32:22.479 --> 01:32:26.159 that chat. Right. So he's like, look, my eyes in 1899 01:32:26.159 --> 01:32:27.800 the sky from from Lois is safe and I don't 1900 01:32:27.800 --> 01:32:29.560 know anything about your box. And I was like, why 1901 01:32:29.640 --> 01:32:31.000 is he lying to him? What's the dealer? Did he 1902 01:32:31.039 --> 01:32:34.560 double cross? Yeah? Because Clarkson, why Breebier then, because I've 1903 01:32:34.560 --> 01:32:37.159 been waiting for years to get Ultraman face to face. 1904 01:32:37.239 --> 01:32:41.239 And he turns the watchtower window into a Kryptonite cool window. Uh, 1905 01:32:41.760 --> 01:32:44.239 And it's it's great and I really like it. And 1906 01:32:44.479 --> 01:32:46.119 I think all the actors are so on point in 1907 01:32:46.199 --> 01:32:48.880 this episode, Like like Justin Harley is like I believe 1908 01:32:48.920 --> 01:32:51.960 him as like more jaded like Oliver Queen, Like he 1909 01:32:52.079 --> 01:32:53.800 is Oliver Queen still, but he's got a different energy 1910 01:32:53.840 --> 01:32:55.720 to him. I think everybody, everybody's doing a good job. 1911 01:32:55.800 --> 01:32:57.720 Just just adjust in a couple a couple of notches 1912 01:32:57.720 --> 01:32:59.920 for these alternate versions of themselves where you're just it's 1913 01:33:00.039 --> 01:33:03.720 they're recognizable, but they're just not them quite themselves like 1914 01:33:03.800 --> 01:33:07.319 that completely. And he's been hunting Ultraman since he murdered 1915 01:33:07.319 --> 01:33:09.920 the Swans. So there you go. This is the Veritas 1916 01:33:10.000 --> 01:33:13.680 family all which that accounted for. 1917 01:33:14.239 --> 01:33:18.520 That's like if it's like, you know, that makes sense 1918 01:33:18.560 --> 01:33:22.279 in this universe, right, like that that's what ultra Man 1919 01:33:22.520 --> 01:33:22.840 would do. 1920 01:33:23.279 --> 01:33:26.640 Yeah, would send him to do that. Yeah. It's like, 1921 01:33:27.279 --> 01:33:30.439 but Ultramate, he probably really ultrama probably killed your parents, Oliver. 1922 01:33:30.479 --> 01:33:34.920 I'm sure you know, but that's okay, but that's how 1923 01:33:34.960 --> 01:33:38.560 he found out, uh what culture Man's weakness was. So sure, great, 1924 01:33:38.640 --> 01:33:41.680 I am on board with everything you're saying here. So 1925 01:33:41.800 --> 01:33:44.880 he's uh loading up a gun, not a kryptonite gun, 1926 01:33:44.920 --> 01:33:45.439 but just the gun. 1927 01:33:45.520 --> 01:33:48.079 But okay, which, yeah, kind of kind of strange, but 1928 01:33:48.479 --> 01:33:50.399 but I guess I guess they have enough. He has 1929 01:33:50.520 --> 01:33:52.840 enough Rypton eight. There, it's doing the job. 1930 01:33:53.680 --> 01:33:53.800 Now. 1931 01:33:53.960 --> 01:33:56.119 He's he keeps trying to like reason with Olivers, like, 1932 01:33:56.119 --> 01:33:58.359 oh he's maniac and he's delusional. It's like, well, it 1933 01:33:58.399 --> 01:33:59.960 makes me feel better about being the enemy of small. 1934 01:34:00.520 --> 01:34:03.000 This is how he explains like buying up this Land 1935 01:34:03.479 --> 01:34:06.640 to get Metea Rock. I'm like, it makes perfect sense, totally. Yeah, 1936 01:34:06.960 --> 01:34:08.520 Like if I like in the cod books, if you 1937 01:34:08.600 --> 01:34:10.840 reset it or whatever, like and I had a Ground 1938 01:34:10.880 --> 01:34:12.720 one Superman story, be like, yeah, there'll be a meteor 1939 01:34:12.760 --> 01:34:14.880 shower in Smallville and there would be a plot where 1940 01:34:14.920 --> 01:34:16.960 at some point Luther Korp comes to buy up Smallville 1941 01:34:16.960 --> 01:34:19.840 to get meteor Rock. Exactly. It makes total sense. Yeah, 1942 01:34:20.720 --> 01:34:21.319 and it makes sense. 1943 01:34:21.359 --> 01:34:23.000 It's like all over it, Like it makes sense with 1944 01:34:23.079 --> 01:34:26.479 Alliver his character in general, right, like the Oliver that 1945 01:34:26.560 --> 01:34:29.760 we've seen you know on Earth one too, that he 1946 01:34:29.920 --> 01:34:32.640 has more of an end justify the means mentality, which 1947 01:34:32.720 --> 01:34:36.520 is like, you know, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna buy 1948 01:34:36.600 --> 01:34:39.680 these you know, these businesses, and some people might you know, 1949 01:34:40.439 --> 01:34:42.439 lose their land and this and that, but it's worth 1950 01:34:42.479 --> 01:34:46.039 it because obviously the world saving the world from ultramat. 1951 01:34:46.279 --> 01:34:49.520 Yeah. Well, then then Oliver makes a person Guilois it 1952 01:34:49.640 --> 01:34:51.840 you took her away from me. She only knows my 1953 01:34:51.920 --> 01:34:54.199 secret supports me. I'm like, okay, so it's it's got 1954 01:34:54.239 --> 01:34:58.239 a little personal Yeah, because he stole his wife from 1955 01:34:58.279 --> 01:35:01.199 his engagement party. Someone I really get the BBS. She's 1956 01:35:01.199 --> 01:35:03.680 like I believe in justice and oh yeah, I can 1957 01:35:03.720 --> 01:35:07.000 see him monologuing too. Superman totally was the blueprint here. 1958 01:35:07.119 --> 01:35:09.239 But were you also thinking of Dark Knight? What do 1959 01:35:09.319 --> 01:35:12.880 you believe? Of course? Yeah, of course. And then Oliver 1960 01:35:13.119 --> 01:35:14.880 braids him in He's like, with all your powers, you 1961 01:35:14.920 --> 01:35:16.439 know how much good you could accomplish? We could have 1962 01:35:16.439 --> 01:35:17.800 made a hell of a team, right. 1963 01:35:17.880 --> 01:35:20.359 Which was really cool because it's also the classic Lex 1964 01:35:20.399 --> 01:35:23.520 and Clark thing only turned now well also true, Yeah, 1965 01:35:23.520 --> 01:35:26.159 Oliver and Oliver. Oliver is his melting pot of Lex 1966 01:35:26.199 --> 01:35:29.800 and Bruce together here. And then last ditch effort and 1967 01:35:29.920 --> 01:35:31.600 I actually, I don't know if I remembered this and 1968 01:35:31.680 --> 01:35:33.000 mouthed it with the lion or I knew it was 1969 01:35:33.039 --> 01:35:35.239 coming because I watched them on television and fiction. But 1970 01:35:35.600 --> 01:35:38.119 Clark's like, you're not a murderer, and Ali's like, but 1971 01:35:38.359 --> 01:35:41.800 you are, like, ah, there is And then out of nowhere, 1972 01:35:42.560 --> 01:35:43.640 Lionel shows up with the. 1973 01:35:43.680 --> 01:35:47.680 Pipe so badass. That was fantastic. This is the most 1974 01:35:47.800 --> 01:35:50.239 physical we've seen Lionel, Like, I'm not the Lionel. You 1975 01:35:50.319 --> 01:35:55.039 knew a later episode he just listen this guy. He 1976 01:35:55.119 --> 01:35:56.560 got worried he didn't get where he is but not 1977 01:35:56.600 --> 01:35:57.439 getting his hands dirty. 1978 01:35:57.600 --> 01:36:01.840 Yeah, he's he reminds you of his in both universes 1979 01:36:01.920 --> 01:36:03.600 that he would have grown up on suicide, you know, 1980 01:36:03.760 --> 01:36:07.079 suicide salum and everything. Right, he had to he had 1981 01:36:07.119 --> 01:36:09.680 to have got his hands dirty, He had to kind 1982 01:36:09.720 --> 01:36:13.239 of probably know how to fight, you know, like and 1983 01:36:13.359 --> 01:36:16.960 like a skinny, you know, intellectual dude like Lionel. He 1984 01:36:17.000 --> 01:36:19.520 probably had to like extra learn those things, right because 1985 01:36:19.520 --> 01:36:22.079 he could have, you know, gotten killed on the streets 1986 01:36:22.159 --> 01:36:25.000 right right, So this is you see street Linel come out. 1987 01:36:25.039 --> 01:36:31.319 It's but he's like, I've been monitoring Oliver Queen's activities constantly. 1988 01:36:31.319 --> 01:36:32.720 You should have known I would be doing that. And 1989 01:36:33.319 --> 01:36:35.680 it's like the mirror box, Oh you mean this, He's 1990 01:36:35.720 --> 01:36:38.279 like he had it the whole time. He's like, your 1991 01:36:38.359 --> 01:36:41.359 betrayal has been staring me in the face. That couldn't 1992 01:36:41.359 --> 01:36:43.800 ad been and it makes sense why. But what I 1993 01:36:43.880 --> 01:36:47.840 find so interesting here is like he's basically well because 1994 01:36:48.119 --> 01:36:49.680 Clark's like, just let me go and you don't have 1995 01:36:49.720 --> 01:36:51.960 to worry about me, He's like, worry about you. All 1996 01:36:52.039 --> 01:36:53.920 I done is worry about you. I like, so like, 1997 01:36:54.000 --> 01:36:56.119 I love that he's he's felt like he's been trapped 1998 01:36:56.159 --> 01:36:58.199 trying to keep this alien monster in check. 1999 01:36:58.399 --> 01:37:00.840 It's interesting, right, Yeah, It's like it's like as as 2000 01:37:01.079 --> 01:37:06.520 evil as Lionel, as as this Lionel is, like John 2001 01:37:06.560 --> 01:37:09.439 Glover still makes that moment a little bit human, you know, 2002 01:37:09.640 --> 01:37:13.439 like you can kind of understand, you know, it doesn't 2003 01:37:13.600 --> 01:37:15.439 justify any of the horrible things he's done, but you 2004 01:37:15.520 --> 01:37:19.600 can kind of understand it from his perspective that he 2005 01:37:19.800 --> 01:37:22.079 feels like he's the one who's trapped, like in a way, 2006 01:37:22.199 --> 01:37:26.359 like he's like scared, as much as he would never 2007 01:37:26.439 --> 01:37:29.279 admit it, that he's actually scared of ultra man like, 2008 01:37:29.520 --> 01:37:33.000 of this of the monster that he's created that he's 2009 01:37:33.239 --> 01:37:35.159 you know, yeah, you're right. 2010 01:37:35.039 --> 01:37:38.399 It doesn't make him like any way, like, but it's 2011 01:37:39.239 --> 01:37:42.520 an interesting layer. So what you know, it's like, to 2012 01:37:42.640 --> 01:37:45.119 John Glover's point about the writing here, like more two 2013 01:37:45.159 --> 01:37:47.239 dimensional the Lionel had been in the later season, so 2014 01:37:47.359 --> 01:37:49.119 that that is the more dimension that I give it 2015 01:37:49.199 --> 01:37:51.920 credit for. And yeah, I'll let you kill Lex, your 2016 01:37:51.960 --> 01:37:55.479 own brother, my son so good, which which it gives 2017 01:37:55.560 --> 01:37:58.479 them so much more motivation for when he does go 2018 01:37:58.600 --> 01:38:01.960 into Earth one. You know, he's not getting Lex back, 2019 01:38:02.119 --> 01:38:04.840 He's not just going over just to do evil things. 2020 01:38:04.920 --> 01:38:07.199 He's also trying to get Lex back, and so that 2021 01:38:07.399 --> 01:38:09.960 right gives him another little human motivation. 2022 01:38:09.800 --> 01:38:12.760 Like absolutely, but then he got like he was. He 2023 01:38:12.800 --> 01:38:16.079 starts kicking him. Oh, I've always been afraid of you, Clark, 2024 01:38:16.119 --> 01:38:18.199 your power. He takes his belt to the belt starts 2025 01:38:18.319 --> 01:38:18.840 beating him. 2026 01:38:19.119 --> 01:38:21.439 That was my favorite, one of my favorite moments of 2027 01:38:21.439 --> 01:38:24.079 the episode because it just really was like, dude, like 2028 01:38:24.199 --> 01:38:28.000 this Lionel is brutal, and he's and like it takes 2029 01:38:28.079 --> 01:38:30.000 the whole, Like I love how they took the whole 2030 01:38:30.119 --> 01:38:34.800 abusive father, you know, that trope of the belt thing, 2031 01:38:35.119 --> 01:38:37.920 like the old school abusive father, because we're so used to, 2032 01:38:38.159 --> 01:38:42.079 you know, mentally abusive Lionel, Like there's nothing mentally he 2033 01:38:42.159 --> 01:38:45.359 wouldn't do to f with you, you know as a kid. 2034 01:38:45.760 --> 01:38:48.600 But physically abusive. We've seen that just a little like 2035 01:38:48.720 --> 01:38:51.239 in Fracture when he you know, in a memorial and 2036 01:38:51.319 --> 01:38:54.239 what have you done? You know, like, but this was 2037 01:38:54.359 --> 01:38:58.119 like whoa dude? Seeing him beat his son with the 2038 01:38:58.159 --> 01:39:01.840 belt was that was that was And as he's you know, 2039 01:39:02.279 --> 01:39:04.159 beating him down, he's like, no true luthor would have 2040 01:39:04.279 --> 01:39:07.640 let me live this lot And it's it's true. It's 2041 01:39:07.680 --> 01:39:09.199 true dead in our universe. 2042 01:39:09.239 --> 01:39:11.239 It's what I killed him, and and and and it 2043 01:39:11.920 --> 01:39:14.640 made me think back to uh in Dissent when he 2044 01:39:14.720 --> 01:39:16.600 has the little smile on his face when he's falling 2045 01:39:16.680 --> 01:39:19.359 from the window, like he's kind of that's interesting. Of 2046 01:39:19.399 --> 01:39:21.640 course you you would have that different interpretation of that 2047 01:39:21.760 --> 01:39:23.279 than me, because I always see it as like the 2048 01:39:23.319 --> 01:39:25.520 Obi one Kenobi's smile in Star Wars and he dies 2049 01:39:25.640 --> 01:39:27.920 like he knows it's gonna be okay because Clark's gonna 2050 01:39:27.920 --> 01:39:28.600 stop him or whatever. 2051 01:39:28.680 --> 01:39:31.000 Like that's what I saw it. We'll see redeemed Lionel. 2052 01:39:31.399 --> 01:39:32.359 I I I. 2053 01:39:33.640 --> 01:39:36.000 Interpreted it as both. I think it's both. 2054 01:39:36.079 --> 01:39:41.880 I think he I think it's redeemed Lionel, happy that Clark, 2055 01:39:42.119 --> 01:39:43.720 that he dies protecting Clark. 2056 01:39:44.399 --> 01:39:47.920 But at his core, I don't. I don't think that 2057 01:39:48.079 --> 01:39:50.720 you could ever. I don't think he could ever change 2058 01:39:50.840 --> 01:39:57.600 so much, even if he's luisoned. Oh man. I like 2059 01:39:57.680 --> 01:39:59.239 the ambiguity though, and that's something that's some of the 2060 01:39:59.279 --> 01:40:01.079 of course Jungle were probably brought to it that probably 2061 01:40:01.079 --> 01:40:05.479 wasn't even in the script. It's probably interesting because if not, 2062 01:40:05.560 --> 01:40:07.439 if you just throw a body off window, it's not interesting, 2063 01:40:07.479 --> 01:40:08.800 Like you need to see that what is what is 2064 01:40:08.880 --> 01:40:10.000 his what is going through his mind? 2065 01:40:10.760 --> 01:40:10.800 What? 2066 01:40:11.920 --> 01:40:14.159 It's a mystery to the end. That seems like a 2067 01:40:14.319 --> 01:40:19.439 very Glover touch. I'm going to eat this peach who 2068 01:40:19.720 --> 01:40:24.720 peaches that way? John, Those aren't apples. It's fine, it's fine. 2069 01:40:26.079 --> 01:40:27.960 But this He's like, I am the most fit, I 2070 01:40:28.079 --> 01:40:30.119 am the survivor. I'm like, I'm like, damn all right, 2071 01:40:30.199 --> 01:40:32.359 Like he has beaten the hell out of cug Luthor 2072 01:40:32.399 --> 01:40:34.600 and then all who have been overhearing all this turns 2073 01:40:34.640 --> 01:40:39.560 off the kryptonite. And then uh, then Clark what a 2074 01:40:39.600 --> 01:40:42.279 ball or movie. He's like, hey, thanks to the advice dad, 2075 01:40:42.680 --> 01:40:45.399 but he has the box. Like you never hear these 2076 01:40:45.439 --> 01:40:46.439 one lighters from Clark. 2077 01:40:46.479 --> 01:40:46.840 I like it. 2078 01:40:47.039 --> 01:40:49.000 I know it was flex. It was great. 2079 01:40:49.119 --> 01:40:51.119 That was such a great moment. And then of course 2080 01:40:52.000 --> 01:40:55.119 plus one for throwing someone across the room, right, all right, 2081 01:40:55.319 --> 01:40:56.239 I did knockout right. 2082 01:40:57.359 --> 01:40:58.960 But then I was like, yeah, yeah, I heard, you're 2083 01:40:59.000 --> 01:41:00.840 the good one. And he's Oliver listened to me like 2084 01:41:00.880 --> 01:41:03.600 when you when you when I activate this box, lionel 2085 01:41:03.680 --> 01:41:05.119 Son's gonna be in my spot. You gotta turn that 2086 01:41:05.159 --> 01:41:07.920 thing on and you gotta kill him and it's like, sadly, 2087 01:41:09.239 --> 01:41:11.520 obviously it didn't go well because as we find out later, 2088 01:41:11.640 --> 01:41:13.560 like he killed Oliver Queen, right, So this is what 2089 01:41:14.039 --> 01:41:15.439 So this is what makes me think of mirror mirror, 2090 01:41:15.439 --> 01:41:17.279 and I recommend you like the original Star Trek work. 2091 01:41:17.319 --> 01:41:18.359 I don't know how much of it you watch, but 2092 01:41:18.680 --> 01:41:21.000 we'll seek it out the end of that episode. So 2093 01:41:21.279 --> 01:41:22.920 that's what's so interesting about this one because we see 2094 01:41:22.960 --> 01:41:25.680 what both sides are doing on that episode of Star Trek, 2095 01:41:25.840 --> 01:41:27.760 like in our universe, like Spock puts them the brig 2096 01:41:27.800 --> 01:41:29.560 and mainly and there's not a story there, but here, 2097 01:41:29.640 --> 01:41:32.159 like where Clark Luther's doing stuff, our Clark's doing stuff. 2098 01:41:32.319 --> 01:41:34.119 The end of that episode, Captain Kirk is talking to 2099 01:41:34.479 --> 01:41:36.359 the spot from the universe. He's like, listen, He's like, 2100 01:41:36.840 --> 01:41:38.760 you you can be the difference in this universe. You 2101 01:41:38.840 --> 01:41:40.439 can choose to make a difference and change. 2102 01:41:40.479 --> 01:41:40.560 Right. 2103 01:41:40.800 --> 01:41:43.520 So the idea is like he inspires that guy to 2104 01:41:43.840 --> 01:41:46.159 turn things around, much like Clark here is inspiring all 2105 01:41:46.199 --> 01:41:49.239 of He's like, he's like, you know, you said you 2106 01:41:49.239 --> 01:41:50.600 wish we could have saved the world together. In my 2107 01:41:50.680 --> 01:41:52.800 world we do. I'm like, oh man, Like it's it's 2108 01:41:52.880 --> 01:41:56.840 so good, Like it's that was such a great feels moment. 2109 01:41:56.960 --> 01:41:58.920 It was like you need it because you were beat 2110 01:41:58.960 --> 01:42:01.159 you're beaten down as much as Clark gives in this episode. Yeah, 2111 01:42:02.239 --> 01:42:05.399 this is a this is a really dark episode. Yeah, 2112 01:42:05.479 --> 01:42:09.520 it's like, oh man, but but gosh, I'm like, oh no, 2113 01:42:09.840 --> 01:42:11.960 did he not turn onsen it off? Yeah, it's like 2114 01:42:12.399 --> 01:42:14.239 it's like, we know that doesn't end. Well, that makes 2115 01:42:14.239 --> 01:42:17.199 it even more tragic. Yeah, maybe maybe there's a different encounter, 2116 01:42:17.640 --> 01:42:19.279 you know, maybe it's not this one, but this seems 2117 01:42:19.319 --> 01:42:22.600 like this would be the time when yeah, Clark, when 2118 01:42:22.680 --> 01:42:26.760 Ultraman showed back up and and killed uh killed Oliver 2119 01:42:26.840 --> 01:42:29.800 Queen here unfortunately. Yeah, so we see Clark stand up, 2120 01:42:29.880 --> 01:42:32.000 he starts turning the box and you see Lione like no, 2121 01:42:32.520 --> 01:42:36.039 he's running. I'm like, oh, I know what's gonna happen 2122 01:42:36.199 --> 01:42:38.840 because we knew, we knew John Glover was gonna be 2123 01:42:38.880 --> 01:42:41.479 back from multiple episodes right now. People love how they 2124 01:42:41.520 --> 01:42:42.319 don't spell it out. 2125 01:42:42.439 --> 01:42:45.640 I was gonna say when I saw this episode, I 2126 01:42:45.720 --> 01:42:47.760 don't think I knew he was gonna be back for 2127 01:42:47.920 --> 01:42:50.920 multiple because I remember that the ending of this episode 2128 01:42:51.000 --> 01:42:53.239 made me like get up and cheer it because I 2129 01:42:53.359 --> 01:42:56.399 was so excited. I was like, oh cool, Like so 2130 01:42:56.520 --> 01:42:58.399 I don't think I knew, and I was like, oh 2131 01:42:58.439 --> 01:42:59.960 my gosh, yes, they're gonna have him back. 2132 01:43:00.159 --> 01:43:03.279 That's awesome. But it's like you see him running and 2133 01:43:03.359 --> 01:43:05.000 then you see the three sixty and you don't really 2134 01:43:05.079 --> 01:43:07.119 know what's going on. But we so we've talked about 2135 01:43:07.159 --> 01:43:10.840 this before, right, So like people switched places with the 2136 01:43:10.960 --> 01:43:14.920 other universe body of them. Right, yeah, So man, dude, 2137 01:43:14.920 --> 01:43:16.399 I don't know. I think we've talked about this before 2138 01:43:16.399 --> 01:43:18.760 I lived. But like in my head canon, this Lionel 2139 01:43:19.560 --> 01:43:21.640 was in Lionel's grave and then he pulled a killer 2140 01:43:23.079 --> 01:43:25.560 and duve himself up through the ground. Right, How bad 2141 01:43:25.600 --> 01:43:27.800 ass is that? That's such a oh my gosh, I 2142 01:43:27.880 --> 01:43:30.399 love that chilled I've never thought of that, but that 2143 01:43:30.560 --> 01:43:32.680 is that. I guess. The only way it works is 2144 01:43:32.720 --> 01:43:35.119 because it's like a cheap coffin, because like, like you know, 2145 01:43:35.319 --> 01:43:38.279 like if you really start no pun intended digging deep 2146 01:43:38.319 --> 01:43:40.720 into how this is going to happen, Like I don't know, 2147 01:43:40.880 --> 01:43:42.600 like because it's a it's a pine box. I mean, 2148 01:43:42.640 --> 01:43:44.359 he's a bad ass. He's room on the streets, like 2149 01:43:44.479 --> 01:43:46.920 no dude, No, that's my head can. No, Linel was 2150 01:43:46.960 --> 01:43:52.119 trained by Pie obviously, and then his his skeletal corpse 2151 01:43:52.159 --> 01:43:57.319 appeared in that room when Clark switched by that that's 2152 01:43:57.359 --> 01:43:59.840 my head cannon. Now the loophole is, well, he touched 2153 01:44:00.079 --> 01:44:01.720 Lark and Clark was of the mirror. But then where 2154 01:44:01.760 --> 01:44:03.760 did he go? Like, that's where did he go? Where 2155 01:44:03.880 --> 01:44:06.119 he And that's my head canon. That's my head can dude. 2156 01:44:06.439 --> 01:44:08.039 I think that's awesome. I love this. 2157 01:44:08.199 --> 01:44:11.239 And then Lionel just like walks across it covered in 2158 01:44:11.319 --> 01:44:15.039 dirt like uma to the restaurant and then instead of 2159 01:44:15.119 --> 01:44:17.920 asking for a water, he asked for like a Chardonnay 2160 01:44:18.079 --> 01:44:20.119 or no for a Scotch, for a scotch. 2161 01:44:21.039 --> 01:44:24.239 Oh man, uh but no, we see we see Clark 2162 01:44:24.920 --> 01:44:27.479 back in our universe and the Watchtower is completely trashed. 2163 01:44:28.319 --> 01:44:31.560 Tests and Oliver and Lois all have weapons on him. 2164 01:44:31.560 --> 01:44:33.640 We got some kryptonize. Good thing, Chloy mantle those Kryptoni 2165 01:44:33.760 --> 01:44:36.760 weapons to fight the Cantarian. They're about to kill him. 2166 01:44:36.760 --> 01:44:38.359 I think they got him dead to rights, you know, yeah, 2167 01:44:38.800 --> 01:44:40.399 he's got a Oliver has a crypt I know. I 2168 01:44:40.479 --> 01:44:43.319 was like, say good night or whatever, and no, wait wait, wait, wait, wait, 2169 01:44:43.359 --> 01:44:44.960 it's me, Lowis, tell tell it's me. He look into 2170 01:44:44.960 --> 01:44:47.680 my eyes and Lois and a lot of the fandom 2171 01:44:47.720 --> 01:44:49.640 has made a big point about this, Okay, ye, yeah, 2172 01:44:50.119 --> 01:44:54.159 Lois versus can tell the difference between Ultraman and Clark 2173 01:44:54.159 --> 01:44:56.199 when Lana could not tell there between Clark and Mazaro. 2174 01:44:56.520 --> 01:44:59.800 So that's why they're meant to be. There's a proof. 2175 01:45:00.800 --> 01:45:03.680 It's such a great it's such a great point, right, 2176 01:45:03.800 --> 01:45:06.479 It's like they have that soul connection. 2177 01:45:06.640 --> 01:45:09.880 She can see it right in his eyes. And then 2178 01:45:09.880 --> 01:45:13.720 everybody kind of looks at each other and all right, Okay, 2179 01:45:14.680 --> 01:45:16.359 still couldn't get in touch with us of Justice League, 2180 01:45:16.359 --> 01:45:19.760 but at least great Arrow, So we kept the commercial. 2181 01:45:19.800 --> 01:45:22.439 We come back. Lois is a at the hospital, but 2182 01:45:22.640 --> 01:45:24.640 it's it's a quick at the hospital. She's just kind 2183 01:45:24.680 --> 01:45:27.159 of it's not a room. It's like the waiting area 2184 01:45:27.239 --> 01:45:29.000 with all the beds of the R room whatever. But 2185 01:45:29.079 --> 01:45:34.119 it still counts of course. Oh yes, self awareness, because 2186 01:45:34.159 --> 01:45:36.439 I was like, man, the amount of times I've signed 2187 01:45:36.439 --> 01:45:39.279 one of those charge forms, and lucky for us, the 2188 01:45:39.359 --> 01:45:42.199 planet's got great coverage. I thought that was a really funny, 2189 01:45:42.560 --> 01:45:45.920 funny line. But you're deductibles through the roof. I bet right. 2190 01:45:45.960 --> 01:45:48.439 He's like, yeah, something like that. So they're self aware, right, 2191 01:45:48.840 --> 01:45:51.399 And I love again the playfulness here. He gives us 2192 01:45:51.399 --> 01:45:53.680 some flowers and she's like, what are these for? He 2193 01:45:53.760 --> 01:45:55.880 says nothing, says sorry, my dappa anger tried to kill 2194 01:45:55.920 --> 01:45:58.560 you like flowers. I think there's a card for that. Well, 2195 01:45:58.560 --> 01:46:01.159 they were out, like it's these human back and forth 2196 01:46:01.479 --> 01:46:05.159 are so important. I think he established these relationships. 2197 01:46:04.640 --> 01:46:08.079 Right, totally, totally, and especially when you you see any 2198 01:46:08.239 --> 01:46:10.920 any time that they really get to show Clark and 2199 01:46:11.000 --> 01:46:15.039 Lewis being playful together in the later years, is like, 2200 01:46:15.840 --> 01:46:18.199 I really like that, you know, because that their whole 2201 01:46:18.239 --> 01:46:21.479 relationship started with playful banter, even if it was like 2202 01:46:21.600 --> 01:46:23.439 I don't like you or whatever, but it was still 2203 01:46:23.479 --> 01:46:25.239 like playful banter, you know. So I like that. 2204 01:46:25.319 --> 01:46:27.520 I like when they keep that, when they keep that going, 2205 01:46:27.920 --> 01:46:30.359 because it can get like the show can get so 2206 01:46:30.760 --> 01:46:33.359 serious with all the saving the world, all the dark 2207 01:46:33.399 --> 01:46:35.640 things happening and stuff, that it's fun to see those 2208 01:46:35.720 --> 01:46:39.039 moments in between. She does drop a he wasn't you, Clark, 2209 01:46:39.079 --> 01:46:41.000 But I'm I don't think that's what You're not yourself, 2210 01:46:41.439 --> 01:46:43.199 you know, I'm not going to count that as you're not, 2211 01:46:44.239 --> 01:46:47.000 because it's he really was a different person. It wasn't. Yeah, 2212 01:46:48.359 --> 01:46:50.159 he does say that. I mean he's like, it still 2213 01:46:50.279 --> 01:46:51.960 was me in that mirror, right, and the way you 2214 01:46:52.000 --> 01:46:54.359 looked at me, Lewis, you know, it calls back again, 2215 01:46:54.520 --> 01:46:56.760 like you know, the I can't live in a world 2216 01:46:56.760 --> 01:47:00.560 where you don't love me, right, yes, totally. Now he 2217 01:47:00.640 --> 01:47:02.680 says he destroyed the mirror box. We'll never be seeing 2218 01:47:02.720 --> 01:47:07.119 him again. We know that's not the case. Something we'll 2219 01:47:07.119 --> 01:47:08.600 see when we get the Kent. What kind of techno 2220 01:47:08.640 --> 01:47:10.560 babble they say how it worked for Clark. We've finally 2221 01:47:10.600 --> 01:47:13.600 come back over here. But anyway, Oh yeah, I forgot 2222 01:47:13.680 --> 01:47:17.039 how they how they pulled that off. Yeah, well we'll 2223 01:47:17.079 --> 01:47:20.960 find out. Always on the smudgle uh. Because Clark's like, man, 2224 01:47:21.119 --> 01:47:23.159 he was a monster. I was a monster, right, because 2225 01:47:23.159 --> 01:47:25.680 he realizes, you know, Lionyl. This is when it just 2226 01:47:25.800 --> 01:47:28.399 goes into his conversation with Test about Lionel. Maybe this 2227 01:47:28.479 --> 01:47:30.199 way and this is where Lowis drops that makes you 2228 01:47:30.239 --> 01:47:33.039 wonder how earth to lois Lane managed to put up 2229 01:47:33.039 --> 01:47:37.000 with such a colossal tool. He doesn't he doesn't tell 2230 01:47:37.039 --> 01:47:38.680 her like, oh, we weren't together, you were wearing all over. 2231 01:47:38.760 --> 01:47:42.439 He just he's like, over that, we're not gonna I 2232 01:47:42.479 --> 01:47:46.960 don't want to refan those flames, right. But he's like, eh, 2233 01:47:47.399 --> 01:47:49.039 but I bet you give him another chance. And she's like, 2234 01:47:49.279 --> 01:47:50.800 you don't have to worry about a second chances with me. 2235 01:47:50.840 --> 01:47:52.439 You're doing great with the first chance right here. I'm like, 2236 01:47:52.680 --> 01:47:54.520 I love it. That's so cute. I love that. Now, 2237 01:47:54.640 --> 01:47:56.640 technically this is like his eighth chance with her basically, 2238 01:47:56.760 --> 01:47:58.479 but that's okay, you know, you know what I mean 2239 01:47:58.560 --> 01:48:03.600 for all the failing launch situations. Yeah, but it's it's 2240 01:48:03.720 --> 01:48:06.279 very cute. They leave the hospital together and she likes 2241 01:48:06.319 --> 01:48:08.760 her flowers, and it's it's just, I'm really, do you 2242 01:48:08.800 --> 01:48:10.760 guys have known the journey I've been on with Clark 2243 01:48:10.800 --> 01:48:12.880 and Lewis on this show. But I am one thousand 2244 01:48:12.960 --> 01:48:14.760 percent on board and they have really sold me on 2245 01:48:14.800 --> 01:48:16.920 this and I am one hundred percent team Clois. I 2246 01:48:17.039 --> 01:48:18.880 love team Klois. And this reminded me. 2247 01:48:18.960 --> 01:48:21.600 It was interesting, like again, all these callbacks we've been 2248 01:48:21.600 --> 01:48:24.680 talking about, Like, there were two little things that reminded 2249 01:48:24.680 --> 01:48:26.920 me of with this scene with Lois and Clark, Like 2250 01:48:27.520 --> 01:48:31.680 the flowers in the hospital reminded me of a rival. Oh, 2251 01:48:31.760 --> 01:48:35.079 she just takes the flowers and then yeah, and then 2252 01:48:35.159 --> 01:48:37.000 she's like, no, no, it's okay, there for there for 2253 01:48:37.079 --> 01:48:40.039 her whatever, like like, but I always thought that was 2254 01:48:40.119 --> 01:48:43.399 like like a cute little moment back then of like 2255 01:48:43.479 --> 01:48:46.239 foreshadowing with the two of them, you know, and uh 2256 01:48:46.600 --> 01:48:50.760 and also also kind of calling back to season three 2257 01:48:50.920 --> 01:48:52.399 with Clark being like I can't bear for you to 2258 01:48:52.520 --> 01:48:55.159 ever look at me that way again to Lana when 2259 01:48:55.239 --> 01:48:58.319 he read Clark, you know. So it was just cool 2260 01:48:58.359 --> 01:49:00.640 to see those like different parallels. But how it's like 2261 01:49:01.079 --> 01:49:02.560 now this happier thing with low is. 2262 01:49:03.079 --> 01:49:07.000 Yeah. So let me cut to Luther mansion and Test 2263 01:49:07.079 --> 01:49:09.760 has some some photos all spread out. She has a 2264 01:49:09.840 --> 01:49:15.760 promotional photo from hot Head of John Glover. She's got 2265 01:49:15.840 --> 01:49:18.199 a picture of the baby Lex actor from the first 2266 01:49:18.359 --> 01:49:20.039 couple episodes of the season. And then I assume a 2267 01:49:20.159 --> 01:49:22.359 picture of young young Cassidy Freeman here, I don't I 2268 01:49:22.439 --> 01:49:25.079 didn't recognize it. So then just random other pictures and 2269 01:49:25.319 --> 01:49:28.920 this this is my point from earlier brok no lx no, 2270 01:49:29.039 --> 01:49:32.880 Michael Rosenbaum Lex right, yeah, yeah, like where why would 2271 01:49:33.319 --> 01:49:36.359 that doesn't make sense? What are we doing like like 2272 01:49:36.439 --> 01:49:39.600 in the season nine finale picture of him on the paper, right, yeah, President, 2273 01:49:39.600 --> 01:49:42.600 I'm like you can use these, yeah you it's I 2274 01:49:42.640 --> 01:49:46.720 don't know how much the license rights likeness rights work here, but. 2275 01:49:46.840 --> 01:49:49.720 I yeah, but I would you would think they would 2276 01:49:49.800 --> 01:49:53.039 have because the character was on the show for seven years. 2277 01:49:53.119 --> 01:49:55.359 You would think they would have like perpetuity rights for 2278 01:49:55.800 --> 01:49:56.600 old picture with me. 2279 01:49:58.119 --> 01:50:01.039 But uh, you know, she's just we wallowing in her 2280 01:50:01.159 --> 01:50:03.800 sorrows here and a family history. And then Clark shows 2281 01:50:03.920 --> 01:50:05.800 up and he's uh to make up for what he 2282 01:50:05.840 --> 01:50:11.119 said earlier, like Luthor blood is poisoned. Sorry I said that, right. 2283 01:50:12.560 --> 01:50:14.000 This is a really good scene between the two of them. 2284 01:50:14.000 --> 01:50:16.119 It's interesting. So we've we've seen this like sexual chemistry 2285 01:50:16.119 --> 01:50:18.960 between in this episode and yeah, it's like it's just 2286 01:50:19.119 --> 01:50:22.239 just platonic care chemistry between them and and uh yeah 2287 01:50:22.319 --> 01:50:24.039 it's it's it's a great scene for Clark and test. 2288 01:50:24.279 --> 01:50:26.399 I really loved the scene too. I thought it was 2289 01:50:26.600 --> 01:50:29.720 a great a great moment to see them bonding. Uh 2290 01:50:30.199 --> 01:50:31.960 it like you said, in this platonic way after we 2291 01:50:32.000 --> 01:50:37.560 saw the sexual with Ultra Man and Clark's whole point 2292 01:50:37.680 --> 01:50:40.039 about like you know, when he says that to test 2293 01:50:40.119 --> 01:50:42.800 about I was wrong. It wasn't Luthor blood, it's the 2294 01:50:42.880 --> 01:50:45.239 man himself that corrupts. 2295 01:50:45.000 --> 01:50:50.520 Which which yes, that's the message. But like, I feel 2296 01:50:50.560 --> 01:50:53.439 like they unintentionally kind of undercut the whole redemption arc 2297 01:50:53.520 --> 01:50:55.159 for Lionel here. I was wondering. 2298 01:50:55.199 --> 01:50:56.880 I was, I was gonna ask you what you thought 2299 01:50:56.880 --> 01:50:59.680 about Like like it's like, I know he's talking about 2300 01:51:00.199 --> 01:51:02.479 evil line o, but yeah, it still kind of feels 2301 01:51:02.520 --> 01:51:07.439 a little bit like you know, he's forgotten about that 2302 01:51:07.520 --> 01:51:10.319 because he's like, well, I mean because Test is upsetting, 2303 01:51:10.319 --> 01:51:13.159 Like you know what the worst weirdest part about it 2304 01:51:13.239 --> 01:51:16.000 all is is I'm upset he threw be away, right yeah. 2305 01:51:16.079 --> 01:51:19.479 And Clark's like, well, you know, Lionel raised tests over 2306 01:51:19.520 --> 01:51:21.000 there in her life is a lot worse, so you 2307 01:51:21.039 --> 01:51:21.880 know they're not okay. 2308 01:51:21.880 --> 01:51:23.800 And I'm like, okay, well you don't. I don't know 2309 01:51:23.920 --> 01:51:26.920 who's to say, right, who's to say? But totally it 2310 01:51:27.000 --> 01:51:29.000 totally tracks. It totally fits. I also like how Clark's 2311 01:51:29.039 --> 01:51:30.920 is wearing like a gray sweater. I'm like, it's like 2312 01:51:31.079 --> 01:51:35.119 Season one, normal person Clark close, Oh yeah, that's true. 2313 01:51:35.319 --> 01:51:37.319 That's like he's not wearing a blue jacket. Yeah, it's 2314 01:51:37.359 --> 01:51:41.159 just a normal person Like, yeah, god, yeah, I've missed 2315 01:51:41.319 --> 01:51:44.680 I've missed season one. Normal person Clark close you know 2316 01:51:45.199 --> 01:51:47.279 you know what I mean though, because you know season 2317 01:51:47.479 --> 01:51:49.600 it goes up to about season three, all right, then 2318 01:51:49.640 --> 01:51:51.680 after that, no more normal clothes up this guy. Yeah 2319 01:51:51.800 --> 01:51:53.760 unless he's in like actually this season. But you know 2320 01:51:54.039 --> 01:51:56.239 they're making up a little more with you know, it's 2321 01:51:56.319 --> 01:51:58.640 civilian ware. But you guys, you know what I'm saying. Yes, 2322 01:51:59.079 --> 01:52:01.039 Tess is like, you're lucky either the kids found you, 2323 01:52:01.119 --> 01:52:03.640 and Clark just said, you know, they didn't find me. 2324 01:52:03.720 --> 01:52:06.359 I found them. That would have been great. And then 2325 01:52:06.399 --> 01:52:09.720 he just said, you know, actually my biological think we 2326 01:52:09.840 --> 01:52:13.560 said a couple hours ago he was here in the 2327 01:52:13.600 --> 01:52:17.399 sixties and he really liked it. But anyway, this is 2328 01:52:17.399 --> 01:52:19.520 a good bonding scene, like they hold each other's hand 2329 01:52:19.760 --> 01:52:21.720 and Clark's like, look, I'm gonna be there, Like I 2330 01:52:21.880 --> 01:52:26.600 think that's the thing with they are the positive outcome 2331 01:52:26.680 --> 01:52:28.560 of what could have been between Lex and Clark. 2332 01:52:28.920 --> 01:52:34.119 Yes, yes, totally totally the the Luther and Clark, you know, 2333 01:52:34.479 --> 01:52:38.359 Luther and Superman team up right, like the tests, like 2334 01:52:38.760 --> 01:52:42.720 you know, like Lex having her intelligence, her resources, and 2335 01:52:43.600 --> 01:52:46.159 that really is like I think still to this day, 2336 01:52:46.279 --> 01:52:51.079 like if Clark told season one through three Lex, I 2337 01:52:51.159 --> 01:52:52.119 think that's where they'd be. 2338 01:52:53.840 --> 01:52:56.760 At the end, you know. And if they weren't both 2339 01:52:56.800 --> 01:53:00.159 in love with LTA, that was probably if they were. 2340 01:53:00.279 --> 01:53:02.359 If they weren't, even if they were, they probably would 2341 01:53:02.359 --> 01:53:04.640 have ended up like Lexmith's where Clark's like, okay with 2342 01:53:04.800 --> 01:53:07.960 lex beiing with her, you know, yeah, like think it's. 2343 01:53:07.840 --> 01:53:11.880 Like maybe, and then Tessa's you know. The one of 2344 01:53:11.880 --> 01:53:13.920 the big reasons I kept Alexander's secret is I was 2345 01:53:13.960 --> 01:53:15.319 afraid that he might be the closest thing to a 2346 01:53:15.359 --> 01:53:18.560 family I would ever know, just sad, yeah, totally no, 2347 01:53:18.960 --> 01:53:19.640 where are your family? 2348 01:53:19.800 --> 01:53:23.000 You know, I'm like, all right, that's great moment. Yeah, Like, 2349 01:53:24.000 --> 01:53:28.239 and it was also really interesting how how how ominous 2350 01:53:28.359 --> 01:53:30.640 the ending of that scene is after it was so heartwarming, 2351 01:53:30.720 --> 01:53:35.439 But then there's that you know about Alexander could be Yeah, like. 2352 01:53:35.479 --> 01:53:40.279 He's just as smart as Okay, you're trying to build 2353 01:53:40.359 --> 01:53:43.199 up this criminal genius from the comics. He wasn't before, right, 2354 01:53:43.199 --> 01:53:44.039 I think that's what they're doing. 2355 01:53:44.439 --> 01:53:48.279 Which yes, I was thinking, Okay, that's thinking of the 2356 01:53:48.359 --> 01:53:51.239 original plan, that that's that would have made total sense. 2357 01:53:51.520 --> 01:53:53.560 Oh right, you're right, Yeah, you're right, because this is 2358 01:53:53.640 --> 01:53:54.119 super Boy. 2359 01:53:54.600 --> 01:53:54.880 This is. 2360 01:53:56.840 --> 01:54:01.319 He's smarter than Lexlithor that's super Boy, tell you that's hey. 2361 01:54:02.279 --> 01:54:05.000 We we live in a world where Superboice is smarter 2362 01:54:05.119 --> 01:54:08.960 than Lex Luthor. And Oliver Queen killed Lex leu All. Yes, 2363 01:54:09.039 --> 01:54:13.159 when Oliver Queen killed Lex Luthor, Oh my goodness. And 2364 01:54:13.239 --> 01:54:16.640 that leads us to our final scene, Brocup, potentially the 2365 01:54:16.800 --> 01:54:19.800 best final scene of any episode of small Boy. Yeah, 2366 01:54:19.840 --> 01:54:23.399 that's strong words, I know. Yeah, it's definitely in the 2367 01:54:23.479 --> 01:54:28.199 conversation because the headline, the blur saves under scrutiny because 2368 01:54:28.199 --> 01:54:30.720 of the you know, Vigilante Registration Act that's supplogging on 2369 01:54:30.800 --> 01:54:34.159 the season. And then the paper comes down it's a 2370 01:54:34.159 --> 01:54:34.640 line a Luther. 2371 01:54:36.239 --> 01:54:40.560 Such this moment every time I watch it like chills, 2372 01:54:40.800 --> 01:54:42.920 and I'll never forget how excited I was when when 2373 01:54:43.000 --> 01:54:45.840 this first aired, and you just the reveal of him 2374 01:54:45.880 --> 01:54:49.119 with you know, his gloved hands, which is a very 2375 01:54:49.199 --> 01:54:51.000 lex thing too, you know, the gloved hand. 2376 01:54:51.039 --> 01:54:53.199 It's like boom, his faith and. 2377 01:54:54.800 --> 01:54:57.359 Very like I said, the fourth wall break, you know, 2378 01:54:57.640 --> 01:55:01.800 it's with all of his all the Shakespeare elements in 2379 01:55:01.840 --> 01:55:05.279 this episode like King Lear. You know that uh the 2380 01:55:05.359 --> 01:55:09.119 fourth wall break you know really comes from Shakespeare. Like 2381 01:55:09.479 --> 01:55:13.119 Richard the third was one of the first where he's 2382 01:55:13.159 --> 01:55:17.920 not just doing a soliloquy on stage to himself. He's 2383 01:55:18.039 --> 01:55:21.760 literally looking at the audience and he's a villain who's 2384 01:55:22.000 --> 01:55:25.159 you know, sucking the audience into his orbit, right, And 2385 01:55:25.239 --> 01:55:27.199 so I was thinking, Ah, that's a great Richard the 2386 01:55:27.239 --> 01:55:27.680 third moment. 2387 01:55:27.800 --> 01:55:29.720 No, that's that's a Lara. I hadn't thought of it before, 2388 01:55:29.760 --> 01:55:31.399 but you're right, you're he's like if there's, if there 2389 01:55:31.439 --> 01:55:32.880 was ever gonna be a character and an actor that 2390 01:55:32.960 --> 01:55:34.840 break the fourth wall in the show. He's a guy. Yes, 2391 01:55:35.399 --> 01:55:36.760 I got I got a shout out to the to 2392 01:55:36.840 --> 01:55:41.279 the to the newspaper worker, the newspaper stand guy, Joe Maffei. 2393 01:55:41.640 --> 01:55:44.520 This is his fourth episode as basically the newspaper stand 2394 01:55:45.079 --> 01:55:47.079 coffee vendor guy. So I remember he's in a few 2395 01:55:47.119 --> 01:55:49.760 episodes and so the good Audi sir. He was also 2396 01:55:49.800 --> 01:55:51.880 in one episode of season one as a janitor. So anyway, 2397 01:55:51.880 --> 01:55:53.159 he's he's been just around. 2398 01:55:53.560 --> 01:55:56.880 I thought he looked familiar from all previous episodes. Yeah, 2399 01:55:57.000 --> 01:56:00.479 that's I just like his I like his like he 2400 01:56:00.640 --> 01:56:03.079 just has such a normal guy persona. It's just like 2401 01:56:03.239 --> 01:56:05.359 it's a It makes for an interesting clash with like 2402 01:56:05.479 --> 01:56:08.439 the universe, like the story we're in. You know, he 2403 01:56:08.560 --> 01:56:09.039 just seems like. 2404 01:56:09.079 --> 01:56:10.600 Such a normal guy. Oh, I haven't ever seen you 2405 01:56:10.640 --> 01:56:13.399 around you know well, I mean don't I know even 2406 01:56:13.439 --> 01:56:15.880 sort Yeah, dude, it's like Donald Trump buying a newspaper 2407 01:56:15.920 --> 01:56:17.399 from me. What are you talking about you? 2408 01:56:18.239 --> 01:56:20.159 I was gonna say, I was gonna say that the 2409 01:56:20.279 --> 01:56:23.119 Donald Trump is exactly the metaphorm. 2410 01:56:23.159 --> 01:56:25.199 Even if he's been dead for three years, I would 2411 01:56:25.239 --> 01:56:28.399 recognize maybe that's right. But anyway, he's like, but anyway, 2412 01:56:28.560 --> 01:56:31.199 so he's like, I'm from out of town, unexpected visit. 2413 01:56:31.399 --> 01:56:34.439 Like every every line he says to her is and 2414 01:56:34.479 --> 01:56:36.039 I would try to use in my every day. 2415 01:56:40.800 --> 01:56:42.640 And of course I'm sure this happens to you as 2416 01:56:42.680 --> 01:56:44.560 it does to me all the time. Like I'll say 2417 01:56:44.640 --> 01:56:48.800 those things and and and no one knows what I'm 2418 01:56:48.840 --> 01:56:51.399 talking about, right, I'll do it in the voice too, 2419 01:56:51.600 --> 01:56:53.960 you know, and like and and and they just stare 2420 01:56:53.960 --> 01:56:57.560 at you. And it's like if if someone responds by 2421 01:56:57.640 --> 01:57:00.560 actually knowing, I'm like, that's how you know, Yeah, there 2422 01:57:00.640 --> 01:57:00.800 we go. 2423 01:57:03.199 --> 01:57:06.439 But you know, it's raining, there's umbrellas everywhere, you know. 2424 01:57:06.479 --> 01:57:08.600 He takes a moment, you know, and he's like, guess 2425 01:57:08.600 --> 01:57:10.079 I'm backing the niked time and he just takes in 2426 01:57:10.119 --> 01:57:12.279 the rain and he looks dead into the camera. He says, 2427 01:57:13.520 --> 01:57:15.319 wouldn't want to missenter. All turns out, and then he 2428 01:57:15.359 --> 01:57:17.680 opens up the umbrella and he fades into the crowd, 2429 01:57:18.199 --> 01:57:20.479 and I'm like, that's brilliant, Like he doing out there, 2430 01:57:20.800 --> 01:57:23.359 so so good. It's not talking about himself, He's talking 2431 01:57:23.359 --> 01:57:25.800 about season ten of Smallville, the whole series, Like this 2432 01:57:25.960 --> 01:57:28.640 is the most medal line of all time ever, ever, 2433 01:57:28.840 --> 01:57:29.680 It's like it was. 2434 01:57:29.840 --> 01:57:33.079 It was just See, this is why I love being 2435 01:57:33.119 --> 01:57:34.800 on the show, because I know, even though you and 2436 01:57:34.880 --> 01:57:37.279 I didn't know each other back in the day, we 2437 01:57:37.399 --> 01:57:40.960 were experiencing the exact same thing together, you know, like 2438 01:57:41.479 --> 01:57:44.359 as this show was on, like the same feelings and 2439 01:57:44.439 --> 01:57:48.319 geeking out over it. I don't know if you if this, 2440 01:57:48.560 --> 01:57:50.000 if you thought of this too, but every time I 2441 01:57:50.079 --> 01:57:52.720 see that moment where he disappears into the crowd, I 2442 01:57:52.960 --> 01:57:53.960 always think of. 2443 01:57:55.000 --> 01:58:00.840 I'm having an old friend for dinner, Clarice. That very, 2444 01:58:01.159 --> 01:58:03.920 very may well have influenced that, but it's just the 2445 01:58:04.000 --> 01:58:08.399 fact that this evil is out there, Anonymous, dangerous. It's 2446 01:58:08.439 --> 01:58:11.479 it's incredible and just like smallA had never done a 2447 01:58:11.520 --> 01:58:14.680 fourth Wall break up, never never, Yeah, No, this is 2448 01:58:14.720 --> 01:58:17.119 the only one. Yeah, And that's why it's so amazing 2449 01:58:17.159 --> 01:58:18.920 and it's and it's and that's and that's why I'm 2450 01:58:18.920 --> 01:58:20.880 like this should have been the mid season finale, you know, 2451 01:58:21.079 --> 01:58:23.479 like I don't care how all the superheroes got knocked 2452 01:58:23.520 --> 01:58:25.720 out and they're in the Matrix. I mean whatever, that's nonsense. 2453 01:58:26.159 --> 01:58:28.560 This is what I'm here for, like here for Lex 2454 01:58:28.680 --> 01:58:33.359 Luthor things. Yes, yes, they really if they left it, 2455 01:58:33.880 --> 01:58:36.119 it really is the perfect cliffhanger. 2456 01:58:35.680 --> 01:58:39.319 Like literally Lionel stepping out of the fourth to the 2457 01:58:39.399 --> 01:58:42.039 Fourth Wall to tell us that we shouldn't. 2458 01:58:42.399 --> 01:59:12.840 It turns out very street eenchanti they said, he wanted. 2459 01:59:14.239 --> 01:59:27.840 Lem So what are you matter, super Mad? And what 2460 01:59:27.960 --> 01:59:29.920 if my soulmate comes along and I'm too blind to 2461 01:59:29.960 --> 01:59:32.399 see it? Just follow your heart and you'll always do 2462 01:59:32.479 --> 01:59:39.520 the right thing, Oh Mad, you can past life. 2463 01:59:40.239 --> 01:59:41.319 World needs your quirk. 2464 01:59:41.800 --> 01:59:44.159 What about what we need? Man need it. 2465 01:59:46.039 --> 01:59:53.119 Said this sweet set, Who are you? Lois? Lois my 2466 01:59:53.560 --> 01:59:54.800 three pas? 2467 02:00:04.000 --> 02:00:15.720 Just you're more than just a hero. They're superhero. 2468 02:00:26.439 --> 02:00:41.119 Give me a nerd with glasses any day of the week. Whatesome, 2469 02:00:42.920 --> 02:00:44.119 something dark is coming. 2470 02:00:44.359 --> 02:00:46.960 You're gonna be tested like you have never been tested before. 2471 02:00:47.600 --> 02:00:54.760 Sweet Jessy, I know my destiny. 2472 02:00:55.319 --> 02:00:58.600 Smallville season premiere next Friday at eighty seventh. 2473 02:00:58.399 --> 02:01:02.439 Central New One, Blue ray and DVD. 2474 02:01:03.199 --> 02:01:06.000 This is where it's all been leading you become. 2475 02:01:06.359 --> 02:01:07.760 That's great to say it. 2476 02:01:08.039 --> 02:01:10.920 More than two hours of special features the final season 2477 02:01:10.960 --> 02:01:13.239 of Small Tale on Blue ray and DVD November twenty 2478 02:01:13.359 --> 02:01:18.840 nine and on the Complete series collection on DVD. Luther 2479 02:01:19.720 --> 02:01:21.960 got an eight point six out of ten on IMDb 2480 02:01:22.600 --> 02:01:25.520 and Douglas Trouble from the Superman homepage go to four 2481 02:01:26.039 --> 02:01:30.720 out of five. So on the letter grade scale, Brokay, 2482 02:01:30.800 --> 02:01:33.600 what would you give Luther? Oh? My gosh, A plus? 2483 02:01:33.800 --> 02:01:36.520 I mean this is come on, this this episode is 2484 02:01:37.079 --> 02:01:41.319 It's as though they, the the showrunners and every writers 2485 02:01:41.319 --> 02:01:44.880 and everyone knew me personally and they and they gift 2486 02:01:45.039 --> 02:01:46.520 rapped it for Christmas for me. 2487 02:01:48.439 --> 02:01:50.000 I am right there with you. I'm gonna give it 2488 02:01:50.000 --> 02:01:52.000 an A plus as well. This is one of the 2489 02:01:52.039 --> 02:01:56.079 most enjoyable episodes of not just the season, but the series. Yep, 2490 02:01:56.520 --> 02:01:59.039 you heard us going on fun continuity rants, right, but 2491 02:02:00.319 --> 02:02:03.319 those are all part of it, right, But you're so right. 2492 02:02:03.560 --> 02:02:06.640 Like mentioned earlier, we'd been talking about what what if 2493 02:02:06.720 --> 02:02:09.359 episode of Litel fell and Clark right and like, and 2494 02:02:09.520 --> 02:02:11.560 they did it, and they nailed it. Like there's nothing 2495 02:02:11.600 --> 02:02:13.640 more frustrating when like they give you what you've been 2496 02:02:13.640 --> 02:02:17.680 waiting for and it's not not yes, yes, or it's 2497 02:02:17.760 --> 02:02:20.359 like almost but it doesn't quite stick the landing, like 2498 02:02:20.600 --> 02:02:22.800 you know, but this one, you can play what if 2499 02:02:22.840 --> 02:02:24.720 all day long? Oh what if my girl's mom was here? 2500 02:02:24.800 --> 02:02:26.239 They could have brought in a lot or what about 2501 02:02:26.239 --> 02:02:29.520 the kids? Like yeah, yeah, but the story they're telling here, yes, 2502 02:02:29.720 --> 02:02:31.680 past being the kind of the through line sort of 2503 02:02:32.239 --> 02:02:35.359 like that it works so well, so so a plus 2504 02:02:35.399 --> 02:02:38.640 for I needed this in season ten. I have been 2505 02:02:38.760 --> 02:02:41.880 kind of like, oh eh, like this one was like 2506 02:02:41.960 --> 02:02:44.239 a lifeboat for you in seasons ten, it's a shot 2507 02:02:44.319 --> 02:02:45.840 on the arm. It's a shot on the arm for 2508 02:02:46.000 --> 02:02:48.520 season ten, we'll put it that way. But oh man, 2509 02:02:48.560 --> 02:02:50.800 let's get to the tally board short tellyboard. We have 2510 02:02:50.880 --> 02:02:54.560 amazing technical or cryptonite plus one for the blue Krypton 2511 02:02:54.600 --> 02:02:57.520 kite that we see Clark and Litel fight with so 2512 02:02:57.600 --> 02:03:00.239 that brings us to twenty one. Wow, and we have 2513 02:03:00.319 --> 02:03:02.840 a plus one for hospital visit. We have one hundred 2514 02:03:02.880 --> 02:03:07.279 and fifty two. I don't think we're gonna get to 2515 02:03:07.319 --> 02:03:12.600 two hundred. I'm shame I predicted. I predicted two hundred 2516 02:03:12.680 --> 02:03:14.760 back in the day when when we talked about this, 2517 02:03:14.880 --> 02:03:16.600 I mean, we need, we need a lot of people 2518 02:03:16.640 --> 02:03:18.479 to the hospital last half of the season. But uh, 2519 02:03:19.319 --> 02:03:21.359 but yeah, that's that's gonna for the tally board. And 2520 02:03:21.439 --> 02:03:23.199 you know what, I just want to throw this out there, Okay, 2521 02:03:23.239 --> 02:03:27.880 the the monogram jacket. Right, we're ten episodes in how 2522 02:03:27.920 --> 02:03:29.680 many how many episodes do you think we've seen that thing? 2523 02:03:30.039 --> 02:03:36.439 Has he worn it? I'm gonna say at this point seven, 2524 02:03:37.640 --> 02:03:42.000 Now you you would think yeah, right, four. Really it's 2525 02:03:42.079 --> 02:03:46.239 just there's not He's fairly warring it. What's the point 2526 02:03:46.279 --> 02:03:51.000 of this costume? I'm I'm saying my old runner is ten. 2527 02:03:51.359 --> 02:03:53.800 I'm taking the under you know, for the season because 2528 02:03:53.800 --> 02:03:57.319 I'm like why anyway, you know my stance about the 2529 02:03:57.880 --> 02:04:01.239 trench coversus the jack in this That's why I'm made 2530 02:04:01.279 --> 02:04:02.920 in so on category to prove my point, Like, if 2531 02:04:02.960 --> 02:04:05.159 you're gonna be in this like seven times and twenty 2532 02:04:05.199 --> 02:04:09.279 one episodes. Why did we even change That's my point, Yes, 2533 02:04:09.439 --> 02:04:11.840 exactly exactly. It's a short tally board, so I wanted 2534 02:04:11.880 --> 02:04:14.560 to point that out. That's that's so true. Like with 2535 02:04:14.720 --> 02:04:15.520 the tally board too. 2536 02:04:15.640 --> 02:04:17.680 I wanted to point out even though it's not in 2537 02:04:17.800 --> 02:04:21.199 this episode, you would think maybe it would be, but 2538 02:04:21.640 --> 02:04:25.560 it's a few episodes down the line with either Beacon 2539 02:04:26.000 --> 02:04:29.920 or what the what's the one? I think it's the 2540 02:04:29.960 --> 02:04:32.720 one after that Lionel appears. Oh, Scion, Yeah, and Scion, 2541 02:04:32.800 --> 02:04:35.560 I think so. I was gonna say, it's gonna finally 2542 02:04:36.079 --> 02:04:39.800 after years of no opera, it's gonna be a plus 2543 02:04:39.920 --> 02:04:41.600 one for Linel listening to opera again. 2544 02:04:41.760 --> 02:04:44.399 Oh yeah, where he's in the where he's in the office. 2545 02:04:44.479 --> 02:04:49.520 Yes, and he's he's technically listening to the same opera, 2546 02:04:50.319 --> 02:04:53.079 Costa Diva, that that one that he heard in season 2547 02:04:53.199 --> 02:04:55.800 five when it's you know your secret. 2548 02:04:55.760 --> 02:04:59.479 Is safe with me? Well, he just pulled out the CDs. 2549 02:05:00.119 --> 02:05:03.720 He was reading Lionel's daily journals listening to a CDs. Yes, 2550 02:05:04.079 --> 02:05:08.119 daily daily journal. Think it was a little weird writing 2551 02:05:08.199 --> 02:05:12.720 in a journal, Dear Diary, Martha kitt theyde I contact 2552 02:05:12.800 --> 02:05:18.279 with me today. Oh my goodness, so good. Bechdel Test 2553 02:05:19.000 --> 02:05:22.600 faster fail tests and lowis talk. But it's about evil Clark, 2554 02:05:22.960 --> 02:05:26.239 so I think fail, right, it would be a fail. 2555 02:05:26.479 --> 02:05:26.600 Right. 2556 02:05:27.239 --> 02:05:30.399 It's not like relationship talk, but it's it's about Clark, 2557 02:05:30.399 --> 02:05:33.520 about Clark, so we're gonna we're gonna call it a fail. 2558 02:05:35.199 --> 02:05:38.319 All right, man, Well, this has been fantastic. Obviously, couldn't 2559 02:05:38.319 --> 02:05:41.199 do this episode with anybody but you. Thanks has always 2560 02:05:41.199 --> 02:05:43.039 spend the time to come on the podcast, tell us 2561 02:05:43.039 --> 02:05:44.640 about what you're working on now where people can find 2562 02:05:44.640 --> 02:05:45.319 you out there online. 2563 02:05:45.439 --> 02:05:47.560 Awesome, thanks man, it was such a pleasure of being 2564 02:05:47.600 --> 02:05:50.680 here for this one. Yes, I'm as always working on movies. 2565 02:05:51.119 --> 02:05:55.159 Shot a feature film over the summer called Morte and 2566 02:05:56.359 --> 02:06:00.319 as the title probably suggests, it's a horror but a 2567 02:06:00.359 --> 02:06:02.920 lot of dark comedy too. And right now I'm in 2568 02:06:03.000 --> 02:06:05.880 the process of editing, actually just edited the rough cut 2569 02:06:06.000 --> 02:06:10.399 last night. Hopefully we'll have it released by Halloween, so. 2570 02:06:11.439 --> 02:06:12.159 Stay tuned for that. 2571 02:06:12.319 --> 02:06:15.520 You can, you know, find me on Instagram and Facebook, 2572 02:06:15.880 --> 02:06:21.760 Matthew Rocca, and I'm constantly self aggrandizing and promoting, so 2573 02:06:21.880 --> 02:06:23.920 you can find any of your related stuff there too. 2574 02:06:24.800 --> 02:06:26.600 All right. Well, you'll be back before it's all said 2575 02:06:26.600 --> 02:06:30.439 and done this season. So yes, we celebrate. As we 2576 02:06:30.560 --> 02:06:31.720 celebrate the final season. 2577 02:06:31.800 --> 02:06:34.760 I can't believe that we're finally that we're finally here, 2578 02:06:34.840 --> 02:06:37.439 that you're finally here. Man, all the wait, when did 2579 02:06:37.479 --> 02:06:38.439 you start the podcast? 2580 02:06:38.600 --> 02:06:41.439 It was, what year? Twenty sixteen? Sixteen? 2581 02:06:41.840 --> 02:06:42.079 Wow? 2582 02:06:42.840 --> 02:06:45.119 Yeah, because I think I think I discovered you around 2583 02:06:45.159 --> 02:06:47.800 then or maybe twenty seventeen, but yeah, it was because 2584 02:06:47.800 --> 02:06:50.359 then we start talking about the Covenant and the music 2585 02:06:50.479 --> 02:06:51.920 and yes, yes. 2586 02:06:52.039 --> 02:06:54.279 Twenty okay, yes, yes, yes, that's right, that's right. Oh 2587 02:06:54.359 --> 02:06:56.520 yeah it was okay, I just yeah, no, that's amazing. 2588 02:06:56.560 --> 02:06:59.920 You've been You've been on quite a journey doing a single. 2589 02:07:00.279 --> 02:07:01.840 And uh and let me tell you, man, you wouldn'tant 2590 02:07:01.840 --> 02:07:04.399 to miss that all turns out. So stay tuned. We'll 2591 02:07:04.439 --> 02:07:08.159 be back next week talking about Icarus. But until then, 2592 02:07:08.600 --> 02:07:34.119 Always hold on to Smallville. 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