Speaker 1: I'm kind of beastie. Critter almost got me because, like
Speaker 1: I said, it was pitch black. I don't know why,
Speaker 1: but when I heard this thing beller, it was running
Speaker 1: toward me when it was doing and I went, oh shit,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna make it. I'm not gonna make I'm
Speaker 1: feeling around it. Think it's black. I'm feeling around it.
Speaker 1: Oh every street. I didn't care what it was. I
Speaker 1: was holding up it, and I got up a thing
Speaker 1: and then, boy what I did. It was right there
Speaker 1: at the bottom now and it was growling, snorting, and
Speaker 1: it's going around the tree. What the whole is that thing?
Speaker 1: And then it comes back and it went around the
Speaker 1: tree again and growling and growl, and then it went
Speaker 1: off in another direction. It kept doing this for about
Speaker 1: almost three hours, three or four hours or better. And
Speaker 1: anybody that knows me, mate, I'm not a liar. I
Speaker 1: don't make up anything. If you want to have an experience,
Speaker 1: I don't pull anything back. You want to come out here,
Speaker 1: going to come out with us? Come on, I have
Speaker 1: nothing to hide. Then we'll all get a picture of
Speaker 1: that critter, you know. But if you really want something concrete,
Speaker 1: you got to get out there by yourself. And then
Speaker 1: when that time comes, you have that flear on, but
Speaker 1: have the lenses closed, and you wait. You wait until
Speaker 1: that is at least twenty feet from you, and then
Speaker 1: pump them lenses and pole. You got him. Now here's
Speaker 1: the other part of that. What's you going to do
Speaker 1: when he first sees that flear fire up like the
Speaker 1: sunbeam hit him into the faith? Now, what do you
Speaker 1: think he's going to do? Because now you've got to
Speaker 1: drop on him.
Speaker 2: I'd like to welcome Rich mclandish to the show. Rich
Speaker 2: is from Ohio and he's someone I heard about long
Speaker 2: ago whenever I had another guest, a mutual friend of ours,
Speaker 2: Cane Michael Long and uh yeah, welcome to Bigfoot Crossroads. Man.
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having me on your show.
Speaker 1: Matt.
Speaker 2: Why don't you start us off by telling us a
Speaker 2: little bit about your organization and what you guys do.
Speaker 1: I started this organ organization about a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: and it's called Ohio Cryptied Researcher, not Researchers, just with
Speaker 1: R and and I picked up a couple of gentlemen
Speaker 1: on my team, and one's Larry Ramsey. He's my right
Speaker 1: hand man out here doing this, and he's in with
Speaker 1: me a couple of years now. And hey, I got
Speaker 1: him solely in helping me on helping me locate wood talk.
Speaker 1: And I got another person that I hired on my team,
Speaker 1: which he is a skeptic, uh, because you know, just
Speaker 1: to tell the public, ay, I'm not out here to
Speaker 1: lie or make anything out. So I got me a
Speaker 1: skeptic on my team. And his name is David Levering.
Speaker 1: He's a my skeptic and tracker. He helps find or
Speaker 1: if he can locate, uh, you know, bigfoot tracks or
Speaker 1: tracks that he can't recognize out there in the field.
Speaker 1: And but everything's been going really good so far, uh
Speaker 1: is now we just get the time to get out
Speaker 1: there in the field.
Speaker 2: You mentioned wood talk for those that aren't familiar with
Speaker 2: the term, what exactly do you mean by wood talk?
Speaker 1: Well, Uh, long ago, when as I was growing up,
Speaker 1: I read stuff on a little bit about the Bigfoot
Speaker 1: stuff on Indians, the Indian sightings and stuff, and particular tribes.
Speaker 1: A couple of them in a high they talk about
Speaker 1: they called them like the big Foot. They call me,
Speaker 1: you know, the stick people. Uh. Because they were making
Speaker 1: symbols on the ground, and.
Speaker 3: They didn't basically know what they meant.
Speaker 1: They just said they wanted you know, they're making these
Speaker 1: stick symbols on the ground. So I just called wood talk.
Speaker 1: There's a pilot layer. Uh. Wood talk is rare to
Speaker 1: find for one and uh and two it's for it's like, uh,
Speaker 1: maybe one family or two families that are we're going
Speaker 1: to leave, or you know, the males are going to
Speaker 1: walk off and uh when he leaves and the male
Speaker 1: and females stay, uh he goes uh leave. These directional
Speaker 1: it's like directional markers. And some of them are like
Speaker 1: uh I would say like a picture graph in a sense,
Speaker 1: because one symbol on the ground would be like a
Speaker 1: directional marker for the mother and the youth to follow.
Speaker 1: But also it has maybe a couple other sticks or
Speaker 1: three other sticks added with that to show that, well,
Speaker 1: a long stick of air. You know, they go, okay, well,
Speaker 1: there's a there's a long mountain, a long mountain in
Speaker 1: that direction, and a couple of sticks or so on
Speaker 1: the other side, and it's like, okay, there's railroad tracks
Speaker 1: or power lines beyond that, or a river and uh
Speaker 1: that's like I said, it's called they call it. I
Speaker 1: call it wood talk.
Speaker 2: Are the symbols and stuff that they're using unique to
Speaker 2: the particular family group or are they pretty universal across
Speaker 2: the board?
Speaker 1: What I've seen is uh uh universal almost almost uh.
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that it's you see, you
Speaker 1: see a symbol and uh, and you know what it
Speaker 1: means is okay. It says okay, something's pointing there to
Speaker 1: the right, and and the symbol says good cover. There's
Speaker 1: like a.
Speaker 3: Stick on top of it, and and you.
Speaker 1: Prisonan say, you run across another one. It's the same symbol,
Speaker 1: but with maybe another stick added to it, one stick
Speaker 1: missing one, But it's still it's like the same meaning.
Speaker 1: You know. It's like our when you say you know, uh,
Speaker 1: different phrases, it means several different meanings. And but it's
Speaker 1: the same thing that I've noticed. And like when you
Speaker 1: see saplings tied, I mean big saplings tied and locked
Speaker 1: down that's been over and locked. Yeah, and you see
Speaker 1: one ben over to the right, even those are uh.
Speaker 1: Basically people know that if they're bent to the left
Speaker 1: and lock that means they're to the right. And if
Speaker 1: they're bent over to the right, that means they're off
Speaker 1: to the left's backwards.
Speaker 2: How did all of this get started for you?
Speaker 1: When I was ten years old? Uh Uh, I adopt.
Speaker 1: We adopted each other. I got my brother Rusty, and
Speaker 1: he showed me. Uh. He said, hey man, you got
Speaker 1: to come out. Uh and here's here's some of this
Speaker 1: stuff and I'm gonna lot. And at that time he
Speaker 1: was like six years older than me. I was ten,
Speaker 1: and I said, okay, well where we're going. Well he
Speaker 1: walked me out there, little trestle wiknif over on the bridge.
Speaker 1: I sat down. My big old sandstone colors are in
Speaker 1: the creek and uh. He was waiting there for hours.
Speaker 1: I said, hey, rust, I said, now, what's going on?
Speaker 3: May just be quiet?
Speaker 1: He said, just shut up. I said, okay, that's how
Speaker 1: it went. And then h and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you heard these big branches of breaking and then you
Speaker 1: hear louder and he has a big tweegs snap here
Speaker 1: and there, and then you hear a big gigantic splash
Speaker 1: in the creek. And I was like wow. At the time,
Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's still wild. In my mind today,
Speaker 1: I was like somebody threw a cow in the creek.
Speaker 1: It was enormous splash, I mean a way up the
Speaker 1: creek there. And I asked him, I said, what was that?
Speaker 1: And he said, that's what I was trying to tell you.
Speaker 1: He said, I don't know what it is. And so
Speaker 1: time went on and uh, we just every now and
Speaker 1: then we go we catch it. Everyone's in the blue moon.
Speaker 1: And and then at the age of eleven, Russy came.
Speaker 1: He went with these you know caen ages at the
Speaker 1: timer out right around the party or whatever. And uh
Speaker 1: he said, hey, you got to kind of check his
Speaker 1: place out with. I go, what is it?
Speaker 3: And he goes, Uh, he said, what the call of
Speaker 3: the pit?
Speaker 1: I go, right, I said, yeah, really cool. And on
Speaker 1: the other side of that, you know, uh, we had
Speaker 1: to ride our bicycles to this place and it's like
Speaker 1: fifteen miles or eighty miles or better and wow. And
Speaker 1: uh so there we went early in the morning, took off.
Speaker 3: And uh and I'm not kidding out.
Speaker 1: Uh, the first time he took me to his place,
Speaker 1: it was like like the garden I eating something.
Speaker 3: Uh, just.
Speaker 1: Like time it's stopped there. Gigantic, Uh, you know, four
Speaker 1: or five hundred year old trees. I mean you know
Speaker 1: you talk in these trees are you know over one
Speaker 1: hundred way a hundred foot high. You know, it's just
Speaker 1: just pretty. It's just like a hallmark picture wherever you
Speaker 1: go down there. And and at the time, uh, and
Speaker 1: then Russia bumped into some health problems that kicked in
Speaker 1: and uh uh and then uh, I said, I was
Speaker 1: going out there a lot by myself even and and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden one day at the age
Speaker 1: of thirteen, Uh, I was down there, Uh in the pit,
Speaker 1: and I was in this area or on the top.
Speaker 1: There's there's two falls down in there, and uh on
Speaker 1: the right of the far falls on the right. Uh,
Speaker 1: there's like a chickuzi like down in there, big like
Speaker 1: a big area carved out or a stone.
Speaker 3: Like a big chacuozi pool down there.
Speaker 1: And it was dry times. So I climbed down in
Speaker 1: it from that, coming down the hill there, and as
Speaker 1: I was getting ready to get eye view, I was
Speaker 1: climbing up to look across the falls. As soon as
Speaker 1: I got at the top and looked across, it's like
Speaker 1: my heart like stopped almost. It was like yeah, I
Speaker 1: was like, uh, hard to catch your breath. It goes
Speaker 1: straight across the falls, both the falls.
Speaker 3: There on the hillside.
Speaker 1: There there a big I saw a big, giant big
Speaker 1: foot standing over there, but he wasn't looking my way.
Speaker 1: He was back turned to me. Uh. And that's probably
Speaker 1: been i'd say about thirty five yards when the guys
Speaker 1: across the Wow. Yeah for a little parler. Uh yeah.
Speaker 1: And when I saw it there, I just rose and
Speaker 1: I immediately ducked down slow like molasses, and and crawled
Speaker 1: down in there. And I waited and waited. It seemed
Speaker 1: like eternity, and I thought, wow, I just crawl on
Speaker 1: it there, and and I did. And uh and like
Speaker 1: what I know now, what I didn't know then is uh,
Speaker 1: they probably knew I was there. They knew I was there,
Speaker 1: And like I said, it's just another uh, you know,
Speaker 1: incident in your life. And you you know, and I
Speaker 1: told you know, I felt kind of bad for a
Speaker 1: lot of people out there that uh, you know, even
Speaker 1: the ones that don't believe. Uh, it's not just no
Speaker 1: matter if it's no matter when if you get out
Speaker 1: in the national force, uh and you do get to
Speaker 1: see one. It's just it's just like me when I
Speaker 1: first saw it, Matt, I was like a uh, a fresh, young,
Speaker 1: ready to go bloodhound on the chain had just broken. What.
Speaker 1: I'm not like talking about a Try County dog that
Speaker 1: ain't gonna come back. I'm talking about to try State
Speaker 1: dog almost because it is because this hobby of mind,
Speaker 1: Matt has cost me dear friendships and cost me my
Speaker 1: first marriage and after that and more dear friendships. It's
Speaker 1: like a curse that comes a little thing now or
Speaker 1: trying to find us. But when you're out there looking
Speaker 1: for this career, you uh, I mean now, I never
Speaker 1: knew a six years six or so years ago something happened, Matt,
Speaker 1: because I just ran that long ago. I just ran
Speaker 1: into these cryptid like things. And that's around the time
Speaker 1: where I met Kane Michaels and you know about that
Speaker 1: a little round of the story, Uh about one him
Speaker 1: and his partner Eric, who was down in the pit
Speaker 1: with me and I needed them to watch my back
Speaker 1: looking for a certain critter and uh and when I
Speaker 1: pulled them talents out of the mud, heane just you
Speaker 1: should have seen the look on King's face. Uh he's uh,
Speaker 1: he was he wasn't expecting that. I guarantee he's He's
Speaker 1: like wow.
Speaker 3: And when you look at this.
Speaker 1: When you see this, it's no big eagle could have
Speaker 1: made that. No, no, no, no no, it's like uh.
Speaker 1: And it had a partial foot to it too. I
Speaker 1: believe Jody cooked for uh in a DP North American
Speaker 1: dog Man projects like I believe he has a whole one,
Speaker 1: the whole track like of what I thought and came
Speaker 1: forward to and uh uh Yeah.
Speaker 3: And when I took him down there, and I don't
Speaker 3: know if Kane, I.
Speaker 1: Can't tell you. You know, I was serious, you know,
Speaker 1: when I told him, I said, then when we go
Speaker 1: down there, man, if you even if you get anything,
Speaker 1: I don't care why what what it is, some kind
Speaker 1: of beast or whatever. If you get something to charge
Speaker 1: at us, I'm gonna shoot you right in the head.
Speaker 1: And uh. And I met it. And then, like I said,
Speaker 1: I showed him some pictures of uh and videos of
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that I had when we were.
Speaker 3: Leaving, and and and.
Speaker 1: What I didn't know is that he said this is uh.
Speaker 1: He told me he said that he is. I think
Speaker 1: it's a toad standing stuff. You know, now it's not.
Speaker 3: It's mine. And and he realized that he saw it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But and how I met Kane was the public.
Speaker 1: Uh was coming to me saying, hey, you need to
Speaker 1: look up with this guy named Kane and uh, and
Speaker 1: they're telling Kaine the same thing, Hey you need to
Speaker 1: look up with this guy rich And I didn't know
Speaker 1: who he was until they we finally hooked up and
Speaker 1: we did, you know, we you know, kind of you
Speaker 1: know that trust thing in the beginning. But when I
Speaker 1: started showing him things and having him doing a couple
Speaker 1: of things out of property, then we now we become friends,
Speaker 1: pretty decent friends. And I he invites me over every
Speaker 1: now and then when we get a chance, uh and
Speaker 1: with me and my team to go over and check
Speaker 1: out what he's got. But yeah, like I said, he's
Speaker 1: he's got a good activity over there right now. And
Speaker 1: I'm kind of jealous right now because he's right now.
Speaker 1: They just flew. But he came to Washington State to
Speaker 1: do a I guess a TV debut or something like that.
Speaker 1: I well go before it came, you know, because I
Speaker 1: can verify Caine Michael's stuff. I've been to his house,
Speaker 1: you know, I've seen in the wood talk and activity.
Speaker 1: Uh And I can verify that. And and like I said,
Speaker 1: that's one reason why I started. Uh, and I've been
Speaker 1: doing an ocr uh because it's real research math. It's
Speaker 1: we're not putting out a mockumentary. And uh and I
Speaker 1: just had I just got rid of uh, you know
Speaker 1: Iman for uh And I meant what I said. I
Speaker 1: told him. I said, I will not do the AI
Speaker 1: and uh make something bigger than what it is, or
Speaker 1: lie about the video or anything. Uh No, what we
Speaker 1: get in the field live is what we give the public.
Speaker 1: And the public says, well, there ain't anything irving anything
Speaker 1: for you A long time. It's like, well, if it
Speaker 1: was that easy to get, i'd go get your Picasso
Speaker 1: of it. Right. It's not like that, you know, Matt.
Speaker 1: It took me. It was a year and a half
Speaker 1: before I found another track. But unless it's a big
Speaker 1: foot track or human track, I don't know. It's sixteen
Speaker 1: inches long by seven inches wide, unless it's a human
Speaker 1: that's all walking up the creek, I don't know. That
Speaker 1: was the latest one now?
Speaker 2: Is that the one that I saw some photos? So
Speaker 2: I think on the Facebook group of a track that
Speaker 2: you had said Caine helped you take measurements of it.
Speaker 2: It looked huge.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a that's that twenty four inch track.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's nuts man. Oh yeah, that's huge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a what we call. That's what it's an
Speaker 1: alpha male.
Speaker 3: Is what I reckon, and.
Speaker 1: That's what I believe in. And I had this theory
Speaker 1: because I was telling Caine about it. I said, hey,
Speaker 1: I gotta I poured a twenty four inch track here
Speaker 1: on this end of Hawking County. And I go, and
Speaker 1: he came.
Speaker 3: From your direction, and I'm thinking.
Speaker 1: I told Cane, I said, I'm believing this is probably
Speaker 1: the same critter.
Speaker 3: And then a walk.
Speaker 1: Passed a little bit and then Kane calls me and
Speaker 1: he says he's just poured a twenty four inch track
Speaker 1: at his place. Wow. And I go, well, okay, now
Speaker 1: if we can just hook up to see if it's
Speaker 1: the same critter here. And when we did, when we
Speaker 1: put the lie door on his and put the lie
Speaker 1: door on mine, the big toe is an exact max
Speaker 1: and the second toe and the link in the width
Speaker 1: is an exact mass. And I was telling Kane look
Speaker 1: at that, and he was surprised to see that too,
Speaker 1: just like I was trying to tell people about if
Speaker 1: real researchers would get together out there. Don't have to
Speaker 1: show me your hunting grounds. I'll never go background and
Speaker 1: never want to see it. So just whatever. But if
Speaker 1: real researchers would get together and show like I did
Speaker 1: with me with Cain, my map forty fifty years to
Speaker 1: his map, and where I stopped, where I left off
Speaker 1: is where Kane left off when we started putting the
Speaker 1: maps together. Kane even said it all before idea. He's like,
Speaker 1: you look at the correlations there. We got we gotta
Speaker 1: route of travel for one end of Hawking County almost
Speaker 1: third of the other end, just by just getting together
Speaker 1: and just showing what we had. Uh. And like I said,
Speaker 1: if real researchers don't do that map all them questions
Speaker 1: that a lot of the people have questions of about
Speaker 1: Bigfoot and this, that and the other. Uh, that's why
Speaker 1: a reason a lot of us not going to be
Speaker 1: getting to be answered, because they're not going to get
Speaker 1: together and hopefully show correlations and territories and find roots
Speaker 1: of travel.
Speaker 2: You know, where do you think that reluctancy comes from?
Speaker 2: Why do researchers not want to share their material with
Speaker 2: one another?
Speaker 1: Well, because of you know how it is you want
Speaker 1: to try to keep a little series. Because anything anytime
Speaker 1: you open your mouth, next thing you know, you're either
Speaker 1: one you're being followed or two. Now your little honey
Speaker 1: hole is commercialized. It's gone, such as a few a
Speaker 1: couple of places Aaron Hawking now once was a Christine
Speaker 1: is now littered. Man track torah, that bubble writing on
Speaker 1: the cliff edges, busted bottles off of falls, carvings into
Speaker 1: three hundred year old trees, four hundred year old trees,
Speaker 1: or initials. They don't have no respect. A lot of
Speaker 1: people don't have respect for something that I see.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Do you think the Bigfoot pick up on that lack
Speaker 2: of respect?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they do. I mean it's like I
Speaker 1: tell people when they say, you know, when people ask,
Speaker 1: they say it was this bigfoot? You know, do they
Speaker 1: bury their own? And I go, what you got to
Speaker 1: think about this? From about.
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: Make foot's been around for quite a long time. The
Speaker 1: uh he has watched man kill man, man go back
Speaker 1: and bury man and watch man go back to pay
Speaker 1: homage to that person's Barrie right. Well, like I said,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying monkey see monkey do here. Uh, but
Speaker 1: they're very very intelligent and uh, and I know that
Speaker 1: you don't go out and track him.
Speaker 2: It just seems to me that a lot of researchers
Speaker 2: that have better luck for lack of a word for it,
Speaker 2: are the ones that are more respectful to nature and
Speaker 2: more grounded whenever it comes to nature. If that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And again you're not going to really get
Speaker 1: anything if you're out there in the forest. Uh, you know,
Speaker 1: just off a little beaten trail there, you know, per
Speaker 1: se like the weekend warrior. Oh you know, I got
Speaker 1: the weekend off. I got you know, I can go
Speaker 1: out Saturday afternoon to Sunday. They gotta be working the morning. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: the window there is very slim to get under to
Speaker 1: get anything. Now, if you if you really want to,
Speaker 1: if you really want to get something, I mean, have
Speaker 1: a better chance just about anybody. Uh, you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to be way out there. Let's just pick a spot.
Speaker 1: You know, hey, it's or international forest. And don't have
Speaker 1: no campfires, no lights, no smells, just your dry back
Speaker 1: of goodies you got inside your gilly suit and I
Speaker 1: usually pack of forty five. That's not for vig far anything.
Speaker 1: That's for crazy individuals. I'm nut you're running too out
Speaker 1: there in the forest that you know, some homeless person
Speaker 1: who claims he believes he owns the property type but
Speaker 1: dug in in the gilly and you're there two three
Speaker 1: days morning noon night morning noon night, morning night, and
Speaker 1: that's just the minimum. And normally just getting on the area,
Speaker 1: if you can get into a blind, get some bunks
Speaker 1: and this out and there do their old fancy thing,
Speaker 1: get in there, and you're gonna stay out there for
Speaker 1: two weeks, three weeks alone. That's uh, that's part near
Speaker 1: what it's going to take because the Bigfoot here. But
Speaker 1: I've noticed, uh, they move, they'll tear their little shelve
Speaker 1: of or lean to wherever they got, they'll tear it up.
Speaker 1: They move like every three to four days. They don't
Speaker 1: stand the same spot they moved in three four days.
Speaker 1: And when they move it could be a mile three miles.
Speaker 1: We're not location where nearder that ah. But yeah, they're
Speaker 1: not not really that far away out there because normally,
Speaker 1: you know, they the big Foot, he just when he
Speaker 1: picks areas where he's bedding or nesting uh ajen. When
Speaker 1: they get up, they just they just seem to know
Speaker 1: where to go to get what they need such as
Speaker 1: they know well, okay, well, you know, like they're saying
Speaker 1: there's three cornfields around, well they know that. Well I
Speaker 1: like the corn better than that corn where they know
Speaker 1: where to get that, or they go to the soybean field,
Speaker 1: or but looked like at one time I saw mid
Speaker 1: youth coming out of a cornfield and I thought it
Speaker 1: was sick. Hey, okay, Well they stood there kind of
Speaker 1: leaning one side and I leaned to the other, and they
Speaker 1: kind of slowly hunger down. They just went boom it
Speaker 1: just like like collapse. I went, wa what's going on?
Speaker 1: There was cool way across the field there and then uh.
Speaker 1: I waited there for I don't know, four hours better
Speaker 1: or more, and then uh they got up. I well,
Speaker 1: there it is. They didn't go anywhere, and I'm watching it.
Speaker 1: And as it walked, uh from that cornfield, just a
Speaker 1: short just a short piece right there in the woodline
Speaker 1: there on the edge of the cornfield. He went right
Speaker 1: in right or to this uh wald mustard patch and
Speaker 1: it was pulling them up from the bottle of stock,
Speaker 1: and it was running it. It wasn't need it. It
Speaker 1: was running its mouth across like sucking on it. And
Speaker 1: and it threw it down, and I'm like, well, what
Speaker 1: was this thing going? And then and then it pulled
Speaker 1: up maybe I don't know, ten twelve shoots maybe and
Speaker 1: uh and left. For the longest time. Mat I was like,
Speaker 1: what afar was he doing? What's the attributes of wald
Speaker 1: mustard here? And uh? And I guess it's off the
Speaker 1: charge on a lot of things on the planet itself.
Speaker 1: I go, well, but that's fine out but he wasn't
Speaker 1: needing them. And then when I found out that, uh,
Speaker 1: the aphids laid their edge under the leaves of the
Speaker 1: wald mustard plant, Matt huh. And I found I go, now,
Speaker 1: what's the what's the attributes of they hate it egg?
Speaker 1: And it contributes to if you bring it all down,
Speaker 1: it contributes all to intestinal purposes of curing intestinal problem.
Speaker 2: Oh. Something that people need to pay attention to for
Speaker 2: sure is medicinal properties of plants.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They they they know, uh, just like what we do.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're calling me anything a nationalist or
Speaker 1: anything with a verbalist or anything going out there knowing
Speaker 1: the plant. But they know all medicinal plants to eat
Speaker 1: for just about anything all that, Like if if they're
Speaker 1: doing that then they do with plants and everything else.
Speaker 2: And uh yeah, so are you still actively going to
Speaker 2: the pit area?
Speaker 1: Uh not as much as uh I have wanted to
Speaker 1: at all, Matt, because again, uh it's gone. Uh that's
Speaker 1: one of the places. Uh that is gone now. Uh
Speaker 1: that I grew up as going to a kid, and
Speaker 1: it's tries, it's commercialized.
Speaker 3: It's no, there's nothing there in the.
Speaker 1: Morning, tons and tons and tons of people and then
Speaker 1: they've slapped out. Somebody went in there with one of
Speaker 1: them damn phones. Like, man, you know, I'm one of
Speaker 1: them type of people. I'm a dinosaur, Matt. I got
Speaker 1: an old flip phone, you know whatever. I don't even
Speaker 1: know how it turn a computer on. Man, don't even
Speaker 1: Hey don't even want them. I don't want that in
Speaker 1: my home. Uh. They went in there, want the phone.
Speaker 1: These things where they start stop picture replacement. All of sudden,
Speaker 1: videos popped up on YouTube, and now it went from
Speaker 1: just not even not even it used to be not
Speaker 1: even a way smaller than a deer path down in there.
Speaker 1: Now it's like a herd of elephants. The rock down there,
Speaker 1: it's gone. Yeah, yeah, it doesn't need a nature preserved
Speaker 1: here or four years ago or four years ago and
Speaker 1: opened to the public. So they open to the public.
Speaker 1: Now it's gone. It's gone.
Speaker 2: Is it because it just got open to the public
Speaker 2: and people just randomly went there? Or is it due
Speaker 2: to somebody you showed the place to exploiting it?
Speaker 1: No, it was because of the only place that ain't
Speaker 1: If you was driving on this road way way out
Speaker 1: the beating pat there on the old gravel road. Uh,
Speaker 1: if you weren't paying attention, you'd drive right by the drive.
Speaker 1: The only way that you knew that the pit was there,
Speaker 1: as if you was driving back the opposite direction and
Speaker 1: happened to be looking up on a hill to see
Speaker 1: a little diggy's high now and that's it. Other than that,
Speaker 1: if you're not paying a June drive right on by
Speaker 1: us as the parking lot on. I hold probably about
Speaker 1: four or five cars that got up. But now you
Speaker 1: go down there, Uh, there's cars line up down the road. Well,
Speaker 1: like I said, it's gone, and and like I said,
Speaker 1: it's and the stuff the stuff I had retrieved from
Speaker 1: their math all lord. Uh uh that's where you know
Speaker 1: I got my picture of the Bigfoot there. Yeah, and uh,
Speaker 1: I got a picture of the dog man there for
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call that, twitter h and another
Speaker 1: anomalies down there, And just like I said, weird things
Speaker 1: happened down there, uh in the pit. I've taken two
Speaker 1: gentlemen down there. One time on the we was walking along.
Speaker 1: We just got down to where you could get onto
Speaker 1: the path to walk around the fall, and there's a
Speaker 1: big tree to the fall in there, and as soon
Speaker 1: as we crossed it, the first guy went down. He's
Speaker 1: went on so ut man while and he boom, he
Speaker 1: went down and go what's going on? What's going And
Speaker 1: his buddy came by and he said, hey, what's going
Speaker 1: And I said, ooh, he feels the same way as
Speaker 1: buddy's starting to feel. So they're both setting down. I'm going, hey,
Speaker 1: what's going on there? I don't feel anything? Uh way,
Speaker 1: I just there. Let's get up there. We'll go back
Speaker 1: across that long and go back the other way. And
Speaker 1: as Senator got on the airs that log about I
Speaker 1: don't know about ten yards, it was like a light
Speaker 1: switch and they both looked at them as the original
Speaker 1: let's talking back that way tomorrow. Okay, okay, well we'll
Speaker 1: go back down the other way. I you know, stuff
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: And and then.
Speaker 1: We were filming one time. I did a shoot uh
Speaker 1: down in there, and uh. The person who was filming
Speaker 1: uh went with the this uh woman that we took
Speaker 1: down there with us up on this knool and they
Speaker 1: put their earphones on this rock and a bottle of
Speaker 1: water there. And at the time, we're all standing down
Speaker 1: around at the bottle there, and they're given an interview,
Speaker 1: and when they're done, thinking back down and he's like, hey, know,
Speaker 1: where's my earphones at?
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know where's my bottle of water?
Speaker 1: I don't know. We didn't have And the next thing,
Speaker 1: you know, we're all scattered out looking for it. And
Speaker 1: when we go back and we go back to the area,
Speaker 1: there's a golden plastic coin on a rock where the
Speaker 1: earphones in the water bottle was setting. That went missing, okay.
Speaker 1: So and as we're walking around down there, I look
Speaker 1: for it, we find a a bigfoot track. So we're
Speaker 1: that there. We cast a big foot track.
Speaker 3: We got done.
Speaker 1: And then also after we scooped the area out, we're
Speaker 1: ready to leave. I pay attention, you know, to everything,
Speaker 1: you know, to what everybody's usually carrying in going out,
Speaker 1: you know, Uh, the living and I look back at
Speaker 1: everybody was down there, and I kind of looked out
Speaker 1: and said, hey, where's that track at oh oh the game?
Speaker 1: It was down there on the on the list down there,
Speaker 1: and him and the woman went down to go retrieve it.
Speaker 1: And we're standing in there waiting and they're hollering down
Speaker 1: in his hand, you know, hey, uh, well, what's going
Speaker 1: on here? And at the time, I'm going a lot now, Well,
Speaker 1: where he left the track, I had to go pick
Speaker 1: it up.
Speaker 3: It was missing and there.
Speaker 1: Was two plastic gold coins there on the rock. And
Speaker 1: when they was looking around and looked around, they found
Speaker 1: the big foot track, uh high up on the cliff edge.
Speaker 1: They had to climb out and get it. And it's like, okay, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, just weird, uh weird. I can't there's a
Speaker 1: hard to explain. I need look at anybody else. And
Speaker 1: then this one lady said that she was kind of
Speaker 1: a you know, medium whatever. Uh. She got down as
Speaker 1: far as to wherey uh first to go around the
Speaker 1: polls on the top, and she didn't want to go
Speaker 1: any part. She got that spot and she wanted to go.
Speaker 1: He didn't even go in their match seat. Uh. Look,
Speaker 1: she got the red feeling all over, and she said,
Speaker 1: oh uh, this was bad, bad I got I want
Speaker 1: to leave, Okay, she doesn't want to leave, okay, whatever,
Speaker 1: and she left. I had to walk her all the
Speaker 1: way back there. And so as soon as you went,
Speaker 1: she left, never heard a word from her again. So
Speaker 1: I don't you know, I'm not no medium or I
Speaker 1: know this, and I've never seen no portals. I don't
Speaker 1: seeing all that or nothing this. You know, I see
Speaker 1: what I see and and if I have the moment
Speaker 1: in time on me, the capture that in an instant
Speaker 1: Because I tell people I go, take your phone out
Speaker 1: and put it in your pocket, get it ready, okay,
Speaker 1: And they're like okay, and I go, well, I count
Speaker 1: the three. I want you to whip that thing up
Speaker 1: and say I got it. I mean you took a picture.
Speaker 3: And I go, okay, I got ready, I got the
Speaker 3: three go and I went.
Speaker 1: On thousand and one, one thousand, two thousand and three,
Speaker 1: I got I go.
Speaker 3: You got less than five seconds to get that picture.
Speaker 1: Over three seconds. If you don't down there have a
Speaker 1: go pro around your cranial head walking through the forest
Speaker 1: and you say, hey, I thought I saw something. Well
Speaker 1: that camera did Okay, if you're trying to get it,
Speaker 1: gonna snop your went back camera and you're going to
Speaker 1: you're going to be nine nine percent unsuccessful.
Speaker 2: Now, have you ever felt any weird feelings or experiencing
Speaker 2: anything strange on your own down in that area specifically?
Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, that's that has to be on another show probably, Uh,
Speaker 1: because I have some weird other stuff like that happened
Speaker 1: out there at our cabin well such of course, you know, Uh,
Speaker 1: I got the video of that dog man critter thing
Speaker 1: coming to our front door of our cab. I'm at
Speaker 1: the beat's coming up through there. So, like I said,
Speaker 1: I I just got I really didn't. I didn't really
Speaker 1: want this stuff out in the public the beginning because
Speaker 1: I told my wife. I said, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: my wife, but uh that I have no Diana. She
Speaker 1: didn't know I did bigfoot until about two six years
Speaker 1: after we were married. I never told anybody, even even I.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a professional retired percussionist, and uh, any
Speaker 1: of my bandmates, Uh, anybody school people I grew up
Speaker 1: in school.
Speaker 3: Uh nobody.
Speaker 1: It was just me and Rusty stuff. And uh the
Speaker 1: next thing, you know, you know, Rusty passed and uh,
Speaker 1: I'm still going and uh and this wasn't meant for
Speaker 1: the public. This has just meant for me. And now
Speaker 1: you know my wife and you know, if the grandkids
Speaker 1: you know want to they you know, pop off with you.
Speaker 1: You know what you capture this timeald, I don't know,
Speaker 1: we never captured on anything, but when we do, I
Speaker 1: want to make sure, you know, when I hit that picture,
Speaker 1: that is, if I ever get the chance, and when
Speaker 1: I get the chances to to the conditions, I want
Speaker 1: to make sure that I can show my wife. She
Speaker 1: can say, oh, yeah, well you can see something big
Speaker 1: standing there. You know, it's a HUMANO type big or
Speaker 1: you know, or you can see his thumb or his
Speaker 1: fingers are standing over there too, or for instance, like
Speaker 1: the best one, the best, uh video that I've ever captured,
Speaker 1: And I really wasn't. I was actually wasn't expecting him,
Speaker 1: but you know I got him. And but again, at
Speaker 1: the same time, I went on an investigation and the
Speaker 1: one gentleman in his adies said that he saw a
Speaker 1: big butt. It was big and tall and black, and
Speaker 1: it was bigger than his corn crib when he went
Speaker 1: around his down around his barn down there and the
Speaker 1: other gentleman, which was his friend, which has been around
Speaker 1: the same age, said he had a critter but he
Speaker 1: didn't see it, but he heard it, and he said
Speaker 1: it sounded like a whole sire. I got really okay,
Speaker 1: I go out, I go. Maybe it was a sire
Speaker 1: and you heard old mammy you didn't turn your belt
Speaker 1: tones up. Because the only sired that I know, the
Speaker 1: only sired I know I've ever heard of, was, uh,
Speaker 1: the Howe Hower. Uh. I guess in ninety three they
Speaker 1: got a recording of this critter. Uh they called the
Speaker 1: Ohio Hower. Only call him once. You can hear the
Speaker 1: dog bark and then you hear it. Call you hear
Speaker 1: a dog bark and hear a call. It's playing on
Speaker 1: a loop and they're saying that's historical. And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: really okay, I said, uh uh Well, on that investigation,
Speaker 1: I told you about the two of the men, one
Speaker 1: with Howland. Well, I went to his place and did
Speaker 1: the investigation in a gilly suit and a at the
Speaker 1: end of January, going into February, freezing rain at seven
Speaker 1: ten am in the morning, uh, live on camera ten
Speaker 1: feet in front of me, I'm laying I'm laying on
Speaker 1: this buyer ticket and the ticket stair and ship, and
Speaker 1: I'm laying on this knoll, and ten feet in front
Speaker 1: of me is an eight foot drop off ledger like
Speaker 1: a big, big a walk.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: I got a curve on the hill, a lean out
Speaker 1: down around all the way down to the battle of
Speaker 1: that big hill down at the old farmhouse. And I'm
Speaker 1: laying there in the gilly and you know, I've been
Speaker 1: there a day and a half and I'm like, uh,
Speaker 1: now I'm looking for a bug out here. After after a bit,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get in case here and pleasing right here.
Speaker 1: And and then I heard it. I heard something common.
Speaker 1: I'm going, Oh, you gotta be kidding me. I said, Oh,
Speaker 1: it couldn't happen better. And uh, I can hear this
Speaker 1: thing coming, and man, this is gonna try. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get I'm gonna get the clearest video of this beast
Speaker 1: to uh cover And and I was strained in my
Speaker 1: eyes to look back to the right to see it coming.
Speaker 1: And and when I saw it, my heart is just
Speaker 1: it went from beating fast because I was waiting, wanting
Speaker 1: the big Foot, and then I went really totally to
Speaker 1: like a dread, like a huge dread, feeling like a
Speaker 1: all shut because I knew exactly what this thing was
Speaker 1: due to what history says he is. And that's uh.
Speaker 1: They call him the howler, uh due to wagon train
Speaker 1: back in the day uh of their manifest At the
Speaker 1: end of this wagon train, these people got attacked. This
Speaker 1: thing jumped off the hill and attacked the person and
Speaker 1: they beat it off, tried to beat off the rocks
Speaker 1: or whatever, and and they said, they said, oh, it's
Speaker 1: the Bigfoot. And they said no, they must have seen
Speaker 1: a bigfoot math at the time or must have known
Speaker 1: about him, because they said it was not a big foot.
Speaker 1: They said it was a giant, multi colored hairy man.
Speaker 1: And that's exactly well. I captured on film ten feet
Speaker 1: in front of me, standing on an eight foot ledger.
Speaker 1: And here's the thing, mat. When it came around that
Speaker 1: old helmdo bellard way down there. And when he did,
Speaker 1: he took almost and he stopped right in front of me.
Speaker 1: But he's not he's looking I'm laying straight. He's looking
Speaker 1: straight ahead. And if you're like somebody walking sideways past you,
Speaker 1: but he's kind of turned where if he looked in
Speaker 1: his eyes and if I was sitting there. He could
Speaker 1: see me tight and he stopped right in front of me.
Speaker 1: Now he got a figure that's an eight foot drop
Speaker 1: off leedsure. I got at least four foot of this
Speaker 1: critter above ground, so you're looking at less seven twelve
Speaker 1: foot here. And like I said, people believe me or not.
Speaker 1: I got a live video of this critter. He's got
Speaker 1: a dark clay face and his hairs it blends with
Speaker 1: everything the forest era He's got all the collars of
Speaker 1: the ball leads to all the collars in him. I've
Speaker 1: never you know, I want to disable veteran and I've
Speaker 1: been three quarters around the world here and I've never
Speaker 1: ever man seen a hair on a crater like that
Speaker 1: my entire life. I never That's just when the when
Speaker 1: the clouds went over the sun, he went. It was
Speaker 1: like looking at a collar movie and then switch it
Speaker 1: to black and white. He blended with all the dark sticks,
Speaker 1: the twigs, some dark bullis. It was rotten, just black,
Speaker 1: just everything. As soon as that file went away from
Speaker 1: the sun, I lit up like a blight ball of
Speaker 1: multi collars.
Speaker 3: But but about an inch uh at the end of.
Speaker 1: His hair, it was translucent. You could see through it
Speaker 1: and here was the word part of it. I kept
Speaker 1: hearing this noise, like what was the noise is? You know,
Speaker 1: like a instant sound or some shitn't I And I'm like,
Speaker 1: what is that noise? Though? And here I found I was.
Speaker 1: I saw his lip move and uh, and this thing
Speaker 1: was sucking air through his teeth like he's hasting the air. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just not breathing, but he just like sucking air
Speaker 1: through his teeth tasted and the whole time, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm trying not even to you know, he breathed like them.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not going to mean these lost engine
Speaker 1: here on. Uh. And the back bar was he uh
Speaker 1: he stood there over three hours and burnt the tape up.
Speaker 1: It's like a stone statue and that hound all down
Speaker 1: their barreling. Uh. He just crose like a statue and
Speaker 1: he was just suck, like I said, sucking air to
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's tasting the air for that
Speaker 1: crater for the houndhog, I don't know. Well he was,
Speaker 1: that's what he was doing. Uh. Never see anything like it.
Speaker 1: I was just like I was, I was.
Speaker 3: Praying for this thing to get going.
Speaker 1: But I was like I met what but I was
Speaker 1: if I got to drop on his ass, Paul me
Speaker 1: right in the hillside, I've just oh yeah, I'd have
Speaker 1: ended up Like my wife said, well you got what
Speaker 1: you got, You ended up on that milk carten.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you say the wagon train. Ledger described this
Speaker 2: as something different than a bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Correct. They said it was not a big book is
Speaker 1: uh uh? And these are regis from eighteen forties. Uh uh,
Speaker 1: eighteen seventies of them. Uh they there's that's the only account.
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, I'm thinking, okay, well if they so,
Speaker 1: if they so cooke hole, if the hole howler, uh
Speaker 1: that how is, if it's a historic then what would
Speaker 1: a live video be of this critter? And on my
Speaker 1: way back from the National Forest out there, I was
Speaker 1: coming back and I also not all was freaked out
Speaker 1: at first. I want the hell is back. I heard
Speaker 1: a siren, I mean the in the National Force, Okay,
Speaker 1: and you can hear it beller, not one, not two,
Speaker 1: three of them calling and I captured that on audio.
Speaker 1: But it's just uh, I'm like wow and uh, I
Speaker 1: just unbelievable. But again, you know, uh it matches exactly
Speaker 1: to the one that uh their recording in ninety three.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what kind of vocalizations do you typically hear?
Speaker 1: Well, really, uh unless they're calling a wooden name out there,
Speaker 1: a bigfoot like a tone or something, which is you know,
Speaker 1: kind of rare to get uh uh. I just don't uh, well,
Speaker 1: we think you heard any weird calls uh uh or
Speaker 1: the only thing I've heard, Matt was long growls uh,
Speaker 1: I mean long deep off the chart I got. I
Speaker 1: got some recordings I'll send to you, these growls. I've
Speaker 1: been wanting to know what the DV is because everything
Speaker 1: that I put it on where you can see, like
Speaker 1: on an equ where you can see the trouble, how
Speaker 1: high it goes and how low the base goes. He
Speaker 1: just smacks to the bottle and stays there. It's just
Speaker 1: it's uh. And I asked Hansy, did you check it out?
Speaker 1: And he said yeah, he whoa, He said, Man, I
Speaker 1: ain't gonna any measure that I went to the ball, okay. Uh.
Speaker 1: But the growls Matt uh or anywhere from it's like
Speaker 1: what I call like a growl talking, because that's what
Speaker 1: it seems like they're doing. When I captured some growlser
Speaker 1: uh seven to eight seconds some of them are fifteen
Speaker 1: seconds and some are twenty seven seconds. Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: are off the chart. They'll growl in the mid some
Speaker 1: of them go up a little bit in their tone
Speaker 1: and then just drop right down off to the face
Speaker 1: of the earth to this growl. It's just uh and
Speaker 1: just they just blow the speakers. It's just h Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've got several recordings of that because they came right
Speaker 1: up that time to our cabin and in the winter,
Speaker 1: and and I had a truck driver Jeff there or
Speaker 1: Eric was there, and he just came in from Colorado
Speaker 1: or I think Denver, I mean, had Denver something that
Speaker 1: And then he came in. He goes, there is is
Speaker 1: that drink it? Uh? I got your trainer from the Dakotas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Dakotas. And he talked to me and I said,
Speaker 1: I thanks, and uh he said, well I got to
Speaker 1: keep going. Over Mad said, gets up unpacked and at
Speaker 1: the time, I have my camera, uh going or not going,
Speaker 1: but I have my camera in the other room. And uh,
Speaker 1: the end of this growl hit. Oh, it was priceless.
Speaker 1: He stove and snapped up like Barney Pine and balls
Speaker 1: pop and looking at me, going, what the hell, and
Speaker 1: then another one burst. I go, stay right here, stay here,
Speaker 1: and I ran in the other room. I got the
Speaker 1: camera and I and I put it up toward the door.
Speaker 1: The door was the glass doors open, and I put
Speaker 1: the hit record and I ran back to the other room.
Speaker 1: And by that time, man he was like almost a
Speaker 1: different shade. I said, man, just sitting and he's like,
Speaker 1: what the rids are? A man? Just sit down?
Speaker 5: Up?
Speaker 1: And I go he is. I told himp, it's a
Speaker 1: big foot out there, probably a no it sound like
Speaker 1: a dog.
Speaker 3: Man growls it's a big foot.
Speaker 1: And he he's just he couldn't believe it. He's just
Speaker 1: in total shock. And the whole time, no time, I
Speaker 1: snapped my fingers like shut up, shop, shut up, let's
Speaker 1: do it. I need to record this. And uh yeah,
Speaker 1: playing his day and uh when it was over with,
Speaker 1: uh so he spent the night in the chair, he
Speaker 1: didn't go outside, and the next day he went over
Speaker 1: he and he didn't stay the weekend and he went
Speaker 1: and he left to go back home. So uh yeah,
Speaker 1: uh unbelievable. And then i've uh, like I said, I
Speaker 1: captured a uh some type of what would you call
Speaker 1: that guy? You've heard it moaning how at whatever it is? Uh,
Speaker 1: this wall wool, a small of coyote. It's not this
Speaker 1: that dread.
Speaker 4: Have any explanations that on what you call that?
Speaker 1: And we're talking about days a hunter he deer home
Speaker 1: and he know he's out there. And and like I said,
Speaker 1: and I've had uh, I've had other people hear it
Speaker 1: and uh and I one person referred to uh in
Speaker 1: a DP that told me that they call it not
Speaker 1: I'll get ready for this, they said, or one one
Speaker 1: one said, uh, yeah, they call it the suffering. I
Speaker 1: want to excuse me, Well, then I want something something
Speaker 1: howling out there waring it is a you know, moaning?
Speaker 1: Is that? And he cas know me revert to something
Speaker 1: I call uh Uh the suffering is where they said,
Speaker 1: where the dog man is changing from men to that
Speaker 1: or from that back to man they called. That's what
Speaker 1: they call it.
Speaker 2: That's creepy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of well. I'm not gonna roar anything
Speaker 1: out uh.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I can show you the pictures of
Speaker 1: that one dog thing cruiter that I captured down there
Speaker 1: in the pit. Uh. That's thirty yards or less from me.
Speaker 1: I didn't know he's there. I just heard something behind me,
Speaker 1: and I kept looking back and I didn't see any
Speaker 1: because I was kneeled down for one and uh, I
Speaker 1: was looking at the bank. Uh, and and it just
Speaker 1: kept making the noise. Turned around, looking out and there.
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, I thought, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna turn my tablet on and then I'm going
Speaker 1: to put it in front of me and when I
Speaker 1: stand up, I'll turn around and I'll just take a
Speaker 1: picture or whatever's over there. So when I did, I
Speaker 1: turned around, stop a picture. And I wasn't even paying attention.
Speaker 1: Looked at the left. I was looking straight ahead that
Speaker 1: as I snapped a picture, I looked immediately there I
Speaker 1: saw it. He's standing right there looking at me. Uh.
Speaker 1: They Uh, at least that was seven and a half
Speaker 1: feet I was eight wide hand only big muscle, big
Speaker 1: white muzzle on this one. Not like the one at
Speaker 1: the cabin. The other one of the cabin, he was
Speaker 1: a little smaller head and uh, smaller muddle. This one
Speaker 1: here a bigger head, big white muzzle on him.
Speaker 2: You mentioned like you've been going to the pit your
Speaker 2: entire life, or had been. Yeah, And these things started
Speaker 2: showing up there six or seven years ago.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, I mean six or seven years ago. It
Speaker 1: wasn't uh commercialized, it was just it was just at
Speaker 1: the brink of Uh. There was getting stragglers here and there.
Speaker 1: You know, a couple more cars than usual that were there,
Speaker 1: you know, and uh, you know when they leave, we
Speaker 1: go in and usually it's just somebody going in there,
Speaker 1: and they got their kid with them and they're just
Speaker 1: taking the hike down and going to the balls and out. Uh.
Speaker 1: But no, you get down there and uh you you
Speaker 1: really didn't know what she was going to find, Matt.
Speaker 1: Uh So I've seen things I couldn't I wish, I
Speaker 1: wish I a bored them at the time.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: But uh, when you don't have the stuff with you
Speaker 1: at the time.
Speaker 2: I mean, where did these uh I mean we're just
Speaker 2: gonna call them dog men. Where did they come from?
Speaker 2: I mean, why did they just start showing up?
Speaker 1: I don't know, Matt. And here's the thing. I'm a
Speaker 1: professional tracker, and uh, I'm like, uh, I'm looking for,
Speaker 1: uh scouring for any type of a den any type
Speaker 1: of thing that could make even under leaves, anything anything
Speaker 1: any place under the rocks, under this, under that, under
Speaker 1: falling logs, roden to breede, just every place, and I
Speaker 1: have not seen anything. Oh when it comes to a
Speaker 1: dog man structure, dog man den, dog man nest, I
Speaker 1: have not run across I have or tracks of this critter,
Speaker 1: this dog man thing. Yeah, I'm kind of glad it
Speaker 1: wasn't in the area when I was. But and then again,
Speaker 1: there's one in the area. When I was in the
Speaker 1: area and I got a picture, I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't understand. Why don't an attack because when you see
Speaker 1: this critter, you can tell right off the bat he
Speaker 1: sure as hell ain't no fruit nut and berry eater,
Speaker 1: teen hunter, uh stalker? Yeah, uh yeah and uh And
Speaker 1: then like I said, when I saw it, I like,
Speaker 1: oh ship here comes. I just turned and I squatted down,
Speaker 1: put my tablet down, and I just put my handle
Speaker 1: on my boy. Uh. Every time it's gonna be it's
Speaker 1: gonna road bide. Uh, my wife's gonna be past. And
Speaker 1: uh that's all they thought that I had. And uh,
Speaker 1: besides my heart rate, you know, fall out the old warfice,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so.
Speaker 1: What do you do if you ain't gonna run? Come
Speaker 1: you good? But that's just showing sport why bring it
Speaker 1: on you quicker for violence? You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: But uh, but I don't show fear like most fellers
Speaker 1: out there, uh, because I think that's one thing that
Speaker 1: he was, because he's one of them out there. Every
Speaker 1: now they tipped their head, they take a snip here
Speaker 1: and there. I think I was trying to smell for
Speaker 1: a paramoe. Maybe I don't know. I'm not saying to
Speaker 1: do or not, but that's what he did. And then
Speaker 1: and then when I slowly turned to get stand up,
Speaker 1: I mean again, like my life was standing up, turning
Speaker 1: to see where if he's binding and nothing, he's gone.
Speaker 1: There's no you could see where he was standing over there,
Speaker 1: but you know, mattered around, but there's no track, and
Speaker 1: where do the hell did he go to? He didn't
Speaker 1: run out there, and that's ally. But I don't leap
Speaker 1: up thirty five forty foot when you say that's by
Speaker 1: oh highlight there thirty five forty fuck at least that's
Speaker 1: on the way out. I say, on the way out,
Speaker 1: how to be by me or straight up my cliff? Right?
Speaker 1: But I didn't hear nothing. I didn't hear it jump
Speaker 1: and hear it in the woods. I hear nothing take
Speaker 1: off and it's just like, uh, you know, it was
Speaker 1: like the bigfoot I got once I heard it heard,
Speaker 1: you know, UH heard it and uh next thing, you know,
Speaker 1: uh something much as spoot him because you can hear it.
Speaker 1: You hear to leave crackling, and the sticks you can
Speaker 1: hear it. And uh and then he must have got
Speaker 1: worded about something because one it uh started to take
Speaker 1: off again. It's like he wanted a stealth mode more.
Speaker 1: There ain't no more sticks and sniper and there ain't
Speaker 1: no more an noise and uh yeah, I think I
Speaker 1: don't know, and the and the and the and they
Speaker 1: walk I saw uh on this uh uh medium like
Speaker 1: a small little uh ridge no call height maybe uh
Speaker 1: forty ft tall, okay, Uh. I come up on that
Speaker 1: and beyond it there's just an on their side. There's
Speaker 1: a little uh valley there and another bigger hill on
Speaker 1: the other side of me front. Well, I stayed there
Speaker 1: and for a long time, and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden they're coming youth amid youth. Uh. He was just
Speaker 1: come over and he was walking along the side and
Speaker 1: and the thing is he was walking on the side
Speaker 1: of this hill that like he was walking on the
Speaker 1: sidewalk if that makes any sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like around the curve of the hill.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he wasn't leaning into it. He's like, he's walking
Speaker 1: straight up and and and it wasn't and when he
Speaker 1: walked it ain't know like uh, you know Diddley bought
Speaker 1: back on the block type thing, you know, where his
Speaker 1: head bobbing up and down. I know, it was just
Speaker 1: like gracefully, like graceful, just smooth going until he stopped
Speaker 1: because he saw something on the other side of where
Speaker 1: he was at on that knoll. And I'm like, what's
Speaker 1: he looking at? Because and I'm really freaking out because
Speaker 1: I'm looking at him and that's looking at something, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you looking at? And uh and
Speaker 1: then uh, right, when like I said, when he when
Speaker 1: he walked, when he turned is what was the most
Speaker 1: unique thing of all. It was like a like a
Speaker 1: tank turret. When he was walking straight, like I told you,
Speaker 1: his his top half turned and then his bottom half
Speaker 1: turn if that makes me.
Speaker 2: Sound yes, yes, I mean.
Speaker 1: Almost like a ninety degree and it's just like his
Speaker 1: top half turned in his right his bottom caught up
Speaker 1: with it like turned like a turret. And and he
Speaker 1: stopped and Uh. And then when it bolted, it looked
Speaker 1: like he ran straight through the knoll instead of over it,
Speaker 1: If that makes any sense. This is weird. It was
Speaker 1: so little, like lightning said, like there he went only ship? Uh,
Speaker 1: where do you go? Uh? And I kept looking to
Speaker 1: the left, I kept looking to the right. I looked
Speaker 1: at the left again, just anything. When I looked back
Speaker 1: to the right, there he was all the way way
Speaker 1: down there and he got a deer and he had
Speaker 1: it on the short and it was and it was
Speaker 1: booking it.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: Did the right way down there along the creek and uh.
Speaker 1: And then what Gommy was is I'll never know how
Speaker 1: did he get because I didn't hear a thing. I
Speaker 1: didn't hear a thump. I didn't hear nothing, not a
Speaker 1: squeal from there. Nothing. And I'm like, did he tackle it?
Speaker 1: Did he pommel it? Did he? And there's another thing
Speaker 1: that well, but down on the bucket list always I
Speaker 1: got that.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: I wish I could have saw that. Uh. But I
Speaker 1: never saw any big foot taking down a critter.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've only seen.
Speaker 1: Nine big foots in my life.
Speaker 3: And and a couple of them.
Speaker 1: Were the same one. So for fifty years, if I
Speaker 1: tell you how hard they are. Like I said, down
Speaker 1: here in Hawkin County, Fairfield and Perry. Those are the
Speaker 1: three counties. I don't if people, I say, any rich,
Speaker 1: he ain't come to be coming into the Tennessee, you know.
Speaker 1: And I go, why as a man that he said
Speaker 1: to this said, by don't I don't know them, would buddy?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I tell people, I said, I stayed prevalent to the
Speaker 1: woods that I grew up. And no, all right, everybody.
Speaker 1: You know two big national forces Layne Nasau, one down
Speaker 1: there in near Athams. Uh, but I don't do down either.
Speaker 1: Right up here, Dwayne, big National force here. There's almost
Speaker 1: a million acres here. So like I said, the pick
Speaker 1: your hunting ground. And uh, like I said, the best
Speaker 1: way is to bond him is uh, well, you know
Speaker 1: I teach that I teach some would talk to people
Speaker 1: if you believe. If you don't, that doesn't I don't care.
Speaker 1: But the people that do know me, Matt, and I've
Speaker 1: proved it to him and showed him that I did
Speaker 1: know real wood talk. They were asfounded.
Speaker 2: The wood talk stuff isn't something that I ever looked for. However,
Speaker 2: people that I do know personally in respect A great
Speaker 2: deal have found it. And I remember back whenever I
Speaker 2: was doing investigation stuff, a couple of very close friends
Speaker 2: of mine, Vicky and Dan. I've talked about him thousands
Speaker 2: of times. Kane knows them, Eric knows them. They found
Speaker 2: some sort of little not a structure. It was kind
Speaker 2: of like an asterisk shape thing of just small sticks
Speaker 2: laying on the ground, Okay, and sent me a picture
Speaker 2: of that. And over the years I've talked to several
Speaker 2: different people who have found the same thing in different
Speaker 2: states and different areas. So I think personally there's something
Speaker 2: to it. The Obviously, I don't mean that in any
Speaker 2: sort of disrespectful way. It's just something that I never
Speaker 2: personally saw and didn't even know existed on the level
Speaker 2: that it does. Obviously, we had stick structures, we had
Speaker 2: tps and X formations, and you know, the general stuff
Speaker 2: that you hear about all the time. But these smaller
Speaker 2: ones that seem to be more of a direct language
Speaker 2: are really interesting to me.
Speaker 1: Well, what I've been taught fit the years in these
Speaker 1: secret people, you know, and they've never they're almost like
Speaker 1: templer people. They don't talk.
Speaker 3: They just taught me and.
Speaker 1: Throughout the years and I think they might have learned
Speaker 1: that from the earlier pioneers that figured it out what
Speaker 1: the meaning or something, or through the Indians there what
Speaker 1: meanings were. And I was I was taught to and
Speaker 1: there are hundreds or or I want to say whole hundreds,
Speaker 1: but there's quite a bit of I would talk and
Speaker 1: like I told a few people, I said that, you know,
Speaker 1: the force is alive and talking. They're like, oh, what
Speaker 1: any squirrels, birds, I can nobody. You just don't get it,
Speaker 1: you know, So like an old hippie know, hey, you
Speaker 1: don't hear this, you know or see that. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like a But I said, no, the force is alive
Speaker 1: and talking. There's a language out here that you people
Speaker 1: just want and step on and just don't don't see it.
Speaker 1: And uh, for instance, you know, uh, I'll give you
Speaker 1: a gift. Okay, Matt, here's a gift for you and
Speaker 1: for people out there who already know this or people
Speaker 1: who don't know this, I'll give you a gift. One
Speaker 1: of my teachings. Have you ever seen them a little
Speaker 1: little lexes from about two foot tall to four or
Speaker 1: five foot tall, Yeah, where they're like stuck down in
Speaker 1: the ground, correct now. Uh. You see the ones like that, uh,
Speaker 1: especially the small ones versu an X on the ground
Speaker 1: or an X standing and it has a stick uh
Speaker 1: in front of it, leaning on leaning on the act. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's a uh that's a uh basically a warning,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, Well, the X means stay out for long.
Speaker 1: Everybody knows that, uh. But the stick in front of
Speaker 1: it is a warning from the big foot or the
Speaker 1: grass people. What are it'll call, uh is for the
Speaker 1: backpacker hiker, what they call the stick walker. Oh, and
Speaker 1: they're telling you to stay back up here, stay out
Speaker 1: of there.
Speaker 3: And but that's what that symbol means.
Speaker 1: Usually it'll have a small stick or I mean a
Speaker 1: short stick on top. Sometimes uh that's the same width
Speaker 1: as the X. And that's for the basically for the
Speaker 1: camper the person wants to stick back there or go
Speaker 1: back there to go camping with the tent backpack, But
Speaker 1: the other one was sticking in the front of it
Speaker 1: for the stick walker biker. Tight.
Speaker 2: Okay, let me let me ask you about this because
Speaker 2: this was something that I found, uh back in the day,
Speaker 2: and I hadn't really heard people talking about it. I
Speaker 2: mentioned it, you know, to the people that I was,
Speaker 2: you know, friends with and everything. I call it At
Speaker 2: the time, I called it an artist easel. But it's
Speaker 2: basically the same thing you're talking about, except that it
Speaker 2: looks like the letter A or an anarchy symbol.
Speaker 1: Oh really the X.
Speaker 2: But then you have another stick laying across the bottom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're talking about an A shape with a yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly was there a stick.
Speaker 1: Across the top of it or on a bottom or
Speaker 1: well you said on the bottom.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well I can tell you one thing. The A symbol
Speaker 1: with a stick across the top, that means there's another gift.
Speaker 1: If people don't know it, or they don't know it,
Speaker 1: it means a safe cover. If the stick is laying
Speaker 1: on the ground, that means it's not good cover. They're
Speaker 1: not good place to hide or to stay. So what's
Speaker 1: the terrain like or you took that picture? Did it
Speaker 1: looked like a place you want to stay? Or was
Speaker 1: it good cover?
Speaker 2: It wasn't real great cover to be honest, Well there
Speaker 2: you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're trying to hide from humans. Try to hide.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't do it there.
Speaker 1: And like I said, when bigfoot travels, like I said,
Speaker 1: they're travel every three or four days at least, like
Speaker 1: I said, and I want to. I want I want
Speaker 1: everybody that's listening to understand this too. I Oh, they
Speaker 1: know what they're doing in my areas. If they say
Speaker 1: they'd do something different, they're well they might, Okay. Uh,
Speaker 1: I'm only documenting real documentation. And my guys know that
Speaker 1: they're not going to say something or tell me some
Speaker 1: tall tailor or anything like that. Uh. What we see
Speaker 1: is what we get and is what I tell the public.
Speaker 3: And someone says, well, I haven't heard from you know.
Speaker 1: He said they're going to try to get a picture
Speaker 1: of big Foot. I said, yeah, that might be this year,
Speaker 1: next year, the year after that, who knows. I said,
Speaker 1: you got to catch him within that three or four
Speaker 1: day run. Uh, if you can get a chance, if
Speaker 1: you got Here's the thing I was blessed with the
Speaker 1: time of maybe not blessed does I'm you know, disabled veteran,
Speaker 1: but they give me time. Uh, the focus on my hobby.
Speaker 1: And that's another thing I try to tell people. This
Speaker 1: isn't a business, it's a hobby. Uh. And the other
Speaker 1: people out there, like I said, I have never collected
Speaker 1: any money out there.
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 1: I do everything. Uh, in charge nothing. And my guys,
Speaker 1: if I tell them you ride with me, I buy,
Speaker 1: and they tell you don't. I go, I don't know,
Speaker 1: you're right with me? I buy. And every time they
Speaker 1: keep clipping out the credit card. I said, you should
Speaker 1: know better than that. I know, you get out whatever.
Speaker 1: But they're coming with me. They're taking their time off
Speaker 1: of work. Day's only got one day off. He worked
Speaker 1: six days a week. But if you did it like
Speaker 1: I said, he dedicated his time. Plus Larry, he drives
Speaker 1: an hour and a half to get here where I
Speaker 1: live at and he's been here so many times. And
Speaker 1: one one fool told me one time and says, well,
Speaker 1: what is he you ever brought to the table? I go,
Speaker 1: You'll never know, and you never will. I go. He's
Speaker 1: been here more times than I've ever seen you. Triple
Speaker 1: that quad triple that. I'm like, hey, that's just the
Speaker 1: way it is. And that's why I made Larry my
Speaker 1: right hand man, because you know, I'm sixty three. My
Speaker 1: heath is not that great right now. I'm dealing with
Speaker 1: asiatic nerve problem right leg now. It's just like you know,
Speaker 1: and I just had another tooth fall out from that
Speaker 1: incident that happened while back in Knock thirty three teeth
Speaker 1: owel when I fell out that tree, when I had
Speaker 1: that some kind of some kind of beastie cruiter almost
Speaker 1: got almost got me. H. My truck was parked way
Speaker 1: down there with the lights on. Yeah, you call yourself
Speaker 1: a real researcher. Huh. You know trucks parked down there
Speaker 1: at headlights on facing the other direction and the flashlight
Speaker 1: and you're forty fives on the front seat and here
Speaker 1: you are, old yellow, old white, going down one side
Speaker 1: and yellow up the other, bolting up a tree because,
Speaker 1: like I said, it was pitch block. I don't know why,
Speaker 1: but when I heard this thing beller, it was running
Speaker 1: toward me when it was doing and I went, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to make it. I'm not gonna make
Speaker 1: I'm feeling around it's like it's black. I'm feeling around
Speaker 1: it tree and I didn't care what what I was
Speaker 1: boating up it. And I got up, I think, and
Speaker 1: then boy, when I did, it was right there at
Speaker 1: the bottom pow and it was growling, snorting, and it's
Speaker 1: going around the tree and it was growling more and
Speaker 1: then it took off went one way. Oh what the
Speaker 1: hell was that thing? And then and then it come back,
Speaker 1: and it went around the tree again and growled and
Speaker 1: ground and then went off in another direction. It kept
Speaker 1: doing this for about almost three hours, three or four
Speaker 1: hours or better. And and when they when it finally left,
Speaker 1: and again here we go, coming out of that tree
Speaker 1: like molasses going down gold Hill in January, Matt trying
Speaker 1: to make no noise at all and until snap, I'll
Speaker 1: come out of that tree.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 1: I can tell you all. I was up over ten
Speaker 1: eleven twelve a uh higher. Uh that one brand actually
Speaker 1: hits the side of my face. Uh oh actually showed
Speaker 1: uh uh from more I two sat.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: It cracked my face almost up into my to my
Speaker 1: nasal area.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that place will just splatter like an eggshell.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, like I said, it cracked it like what
Speaker 1: they call a hairline crack or whatever. Uh. It killed
Speaker 1: the three active nerves and knock one teeth out and
Speaker 1: killed uh the optic nerves in the other two teeth,
Speaker 1: and just had another two or just had one. This
Speaker 1: whip ages not long ago. I go, well, there it
Speaker 1: is finally just finally uh yeah, I just pulled it
Speaker 1: out and it died on me. It's the nerve it
Speaker 1: killed it. And uh so you know, like I said,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of houses. There's a lot of hazards
Speaker 1: in this bill too, and uh but like I said,
Speaker 1: I have a lot of stuff I don't know if
Speaker 1: I meant to you, uh that I've captured, not just
Speaker 1: a bigfoot, uh if you want to call full like
Speaker 1: apparition stuff there and all whatever stuff that I've got.
Speaker 1: I've got apparitions of things, of entities come to the trees,
Speaker 1: to UFOs, really close up sorts of them. They're like,
Speaker 1: what do we do with this stuff? The woman? What
Speaker 1: I won't do with it? I mean I've asked a
Speaker 1: few people. Wasn't you know? But the thing is, there's
Speaker 1: so much stuff of that I can't send it. If
Speaker 1: somebody has to come here and see this and see
Speaker 1: what all I have.
Speaker 2: Well, if you take somebody like Caine, since we both
Speaker 2: know him, I'll just use him as an example. He's
Speaker 2: someone who had encounters in one location and then he was,
Speaker 2: you know, staying in a trailer for a while and
Speaker 2: I had stuff happen there, and then at his current property.
Speaker 2: He's got stuff going on. You're somebody who has experienced
Speaker 2: all of these different types of phenomenon, cryptids, whatever name
Speaker 2: you want to put on it. Are these things just
Speaker 2: drawn to certain people? Are you just, for whatever reason,
Speaker 2: in the right location, and all this stuff is kind
Speaker 2: of going on there? What do you think is behind that?
Speaker 1: I don't know, Matt. Oh, I know there's an area
Speaker 1: beyond our cabin that they come up through. And this
Speaker 1: just happened once and and I couldn't believe, Matt that
Speaker 1: I captured it. Well, the tail end of what I
Speaker 1: should say. Oh, it was in the winter after a
Speaker 1: big ice storm, and uh, trees, big trees are down.
Speaker 1: I'm balked in. There ain't no waind we'n get out there,
Speaker 1: you know. And but when it was over, and I
Speaker 1: was laying there, uh, by the window in the Capitol,
Speaker 1: on the bed, and uh, and I heard this loud
Speaker 1: whipper wheel. Oh man a lot. I go, well, we
Speaker 1: got some lungs on that. I wait a minute, the
Speaker 1: whipper will ain't even up here yet, April, I saw,
Speaker 1: and I jumped up and I grabbed the camera. I knew.
Speaker 1: I thought it sounded like a whipper wheel, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't a whipper whee. If that makes sense. It was,
Speaker 1: but it was more powerful and deep, more deeper into
Speaker 1: you know, just like these mimic owls. They put mimic
Speaker 1: owls and crows. It's all like a crow. Oh but
Speaker 1: I didn't and uh but I ran got the camera
Speaker 1: and when I went out. There's some other things with
Speaker 1: that story too, but uh, I can tell you this
Speaker 1: part where I went out and uh uh I zoomed
Speaker 1: down from the cabin and here they come there. I
Speaker 1: didn't count uh three or four of them at first,
Speaker 1: coming uh up the ravine. Uh and then the little
Speaker 1: ones you can see a little a little use uh
Speaker 1: uh it might have been the female. I don't know.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: They were coming up the hill the mountain there and
Speaker 1: uh they were going off to the left and off
Speaker 1: to the right of ut there at the cabin. And
Speaker 1: I'm trying to fill this stuff, you know the best
Speaker 1: I can, you know, uh, you know again the powers
Speaker 1: out you know sits black. I got my ninth vision
Speaker 1: on my uh so I got a nice uh Sony
Speaker 1: high eight. Uh it's a five sixty and it's it
Speaker 1: does really it does really good or what I do
Speaker 1: either before and uh, but that's how I had down
Speaker 1: at the cabin at the time, and and I captured
Speaker 1: this on video of them coming up the hill. That
Speaker 1: was only that one time they went through there. And uh,
Speaker 1: but then again the dog man was in there too. No,
Speaker 1: I can't explain that because it's on dogman tracks. Uh
Speaker 1: in Willett. Uh. I didn't see him, but they were
Speaker 1: in there. And when I had somebody asked me a question.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: Uh, I don't know. It was Jody, Jody Cook for an.
Speaker 3: A d P asked me.
Speaker 1: He said, well, where's what do you think you picked up?
Speaker 3: The Bigfoot is hanging with a dog man.
Speaker 1: Or this, that and there?
Speaker 3: And I go, well, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I haven't seen them together. But then years later I
Speaker 1: was uh in the pit and I had my phone
Speaker 1: up at this time, believe it, I had it out
Speaker 1: and I was taking a picture off to the and
Speaker 1: just taking a picture. It's like a beautiful view, I'll
Speaker 1: taking a picture. And well, right when I turned left,
Speaker 1: I saw just to the right what they call a
Speaker 1: use one of them old man critter, use a little one.
Speaker 1: Uh look too far in front of me, Uh, looking
Speaker 1: at me, And I'm starting to raise up the tablet
Speaker 1: and I'm thinking of my mind, I'm going this is crazy.
Speaker 1: He this thing's gonna let me take a picture of it.
Speaker 1: It didn't run off. And as I'm getting ready to
Speaker 1: take a picture of it, at the same time I'm
Speaker 1: ready to push that button, a little bigfoot a youth
Speaker 1: leans out right in front of me at a tree,
Speaker 1: right in front of me, like hell he did, saying
Speaker 1: if he just leaned down, looked. I snapped a picture.
Speaker 1: That's the only one that I got. And what I
Speaker 1: did he bolted, and then that little boltman thing. Critter bolded.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're playing together together. I know,
Speaker 1: well one's there, one's there, they're together fighting or whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but they all know.
Speaker 2: How kids are though, Like you see two little kids
Speaker 2: at a grocery store, both with their moms, and they'll
Speaker 2: wander off and find each other and check each other
Speaker 2: out and everything. So maybe that's what was going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and uh and Kane Michaels had check us out.
Speaker 1: Kane Michaels has got a picture of this. You guys,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you were working at the was
Speaker 1: you with me, Dave when we went in the pit,
Speaker 1: and uh, somebody hollered down and said, hey, Richard, this
Speaker 1: is going to be a really difficult pour, like a lot.
Speaker 1: And we all walked up there. And when we got
Speaker 1: up there on the cliff wall, matt in the mall
Speaker 1: all the way up this cliff straight I'm talking Trader
Speaker 1: and Dick's hat man straight up, bigfoot tracks.
Speaker 3: Going right up the front of that cliff, going to
Speaker 3: the top.
Speaker 1: He's using a using that uh that big sapling almost
Speaker 1: like a full vault or whatever. But he was using
Speaker 1: that livery and he went right up the face of that.
Speaker 1: About pictures of that.
Speaker 2: I think Kine told me about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, He's like, no, that's gonna be difficult for Ridge
Speaker 1: And I said, yes, that is I said, no, No,
Speaker 1: all we could do is to take pictures of it.
Speaker 1: And uh and I give came Michael's a lot of credit.
Speaker 1: Uh for one. He is a real researcher and he
Speaker 1: knows what he's got there. He don't have to you
Speaker 1: don't have to uh prove anybody uh like me. Uh
Speaker 1: when I take my booth out, map where I want
Speaker 1: my guys, when we take our booths out, and I
Speaker 1: got my tracks out there, all these pictures and all
Speaker 1: this stuff, and when the people come up and there
Speaker 1: and they see this and they're like, so, where did
Speaker 1: you get that or what is that? And I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: that's what I want you to tell me. I mean,
Speaker 1: I got belief. I can tell you what that is,
Speaker 1: but I'm not here to make you believe. What I'm
Speaker 1: here for is two things. One, you tell me what
Speaker 1: you think you see here and all these pictures. And
Speaker 1: second of all, I'm waiting for the right person to
Speaker 1: come up to my or our booth and say, I
Speaker 1: recognize that track one of these cryptids that I got.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm waiting on. I'm waiting on somebody to
Speaker 1: come up and identify if they've seen one of these
Speaker 1: things or they found the same track. Now, what's weird
Speaker 1: is that three caloled thing and that human foot with
Speaker 1: the three big lumpy toad like things on there, that
Speaker 1: track and that call track. It just came the news
Speaker 1: to me because people call me and they said, Rich,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna believe this. I'm like, what, And they go,
Speaker 1: there's a guy in Texas, there's a guy in Georgia,
Speaker 1: there's a guy in Louisiana, and there's a guy in
Speaker 1: I can't marbles. I can't remember what the others stay
Speaker 1: well you uh yeah, but the uh all, every one
Speaker 1: of those states has the These people have got the
Speaker 1: same two casting as me. Now, ain't like, uh it
Speaker 1: migrated from here?
Speaker 2: Is it the same size and everything?
Speaker 1: Almost exactly? Yeah? And uh and it's like, so what
Speaker 1: for one, what are these two things all along with
Speaker 1: all that you know? And also the human foot with
Speaker 1: the four calls? Uh? But but the three toe thing
Speaker 1: and that three call thing? How many of them out there?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? If they're from here clear
Speaker 1: down there? And the other states man, well we got
Speaker 1: more and some gave birth to them two things. And
Speaker 1: then and it's like ah, and somebody said to me,
Speaker 1: they said, well, well, wouldn't that be the three clalls?
Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be its front like claws? If that's its feet,
Speaker 1: that could be its clalls. I'm like, no, you're not listening.
Speaker 1: I said that the three call has a human foot,
Speaker 1: but it stepped on a rock part and went down
Speaker 1: in one the one that I poor, I didn't get
Speaker 1: to the foot part to it, and Jody Crook does
Speaker 1: and uh, but I want to know what these things
Speaker 1: are too, and where do they come from? And That's
Speaker 1: why I hired a team, not just to do and
Speaker 1: or the teacher one. I, well, I've been taught, but
Speaker 1: also for eyes and uh eyes out there because I'm
Speaker 1: not going to say ears because one I tell you this, mat,
Speaker 1: if these things want to get you, Mandy, you're not
Speaker 1: going to hear them come up on you. You're not
Speaker 1: going to hear them. Buddy. I've been out there, man,
Speaker 1: I've had things that come come right up on me
Speaker 1: and like hoo you oh man, damn uh when you
Speaker 1: know that you should have heard it. By the way
Speaker 1: of this thing come up on you. Nope, they come
Speaker 1: up in your stealth mode.
Speaker 2: Other than that, you mentioned the incident that happened with
Speaker 2: the tree. Have you been in other situations where they
Speaker 2: acted aggressive towards you?
Speaker 1: Well? Yeah, well one when I was in a cave.
Speaker 1: I got spent the night in the cave and a
Speaker 1: wedge and a rock in there. Yeah, I was in
Speaker 1: the pit. Again. I don't It's like it wasn't like
Speaker 1: a dog man, It's like a big jog. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Uh uh, I wouldn't say walt were Uh the thing
Speaker 1: was huge and uh on all fours. Yeah, while I
Speaker 1: was down on the pit. I came around the corner.
Speaker 1: I was going and getting ready to go into uh
Speaker 1: this little cave area. And when I was in there
Speaker 1: a little bit, sat down, I lit my cigar. I
Speaker 1: sat there on a rock with and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we'll get up and go across the creek over there.
Speaker 1: And when I got up and I started walking just
Speaker 1: past the edge of where the cave is, I saw
Speaker 1: a shadow all fours come and I went, oh, ship,
Speaker 1: and I knew it was big, and I all ship,
Speaker 1: And soon I turned around. I bowled it up into
Speaker 1: there and I so I go up the rocks and
Speaker 1: got into that wedge. It was already on me, right
Speaker 1: behind me. And Uh, like I said, I had spent
Speaker 1: a whole it wouldn't I didn't. Uh it didn't do
Speaker 1: me there. I went for saying all night, keep attacking me,
Speaker 1: and I mean, it wears me up in there, and
Speaker 1: I couldn't get to me, and uh it was trying,
Speaker 1: and then uh it backed out and it went out
Speaker 1: and it left. But I didn't know if it left. H.
Speaker 1: I just stayed there. And I stayed there until the
Speaker 1: next day until Uh I heard somebody coming. Uh guy
Speaker 1: in this uh boy, little boy, And they had this
Speaker 1: little dog with them, and so I hung around since
Speaker 1: they got down there, I crawled out of there and
Speaker 1: and kind of hung out a little a little ways
Speaker 1: from him, uh, but stayed in eye contact with them,
Speaker 1: and then follow them out through the vehicle. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: like I said, I uh, you know, as the people,
Speaker 1: uh they you need really I tell people, man, beep
Speaker 1: busin them when you go out there. Uh, not say
Speaker 1: be afraid or anything, but in areas that you're not,
Speaker 1: they you don't know or or anything like that. Even that,
Speaker 1: even when the foolie grows up around the past, when
Speaker 1: you're walking down it and all of a sudden, you're
Speaker 1: walking down the path, you look back and talk to
Speaker 1: your buddy's not there, no morning, You didn't hear nothing,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Uh, because so many of
Speaker 1: the places that I went, matt. Uh. Like I tell people,
Speaker 1: sometimes if you want the good stuff, or I call
Speaker 1: bad stuff, then you got to go to the bad
Speaker 1: place to get it, like uh uh the Deans where
Speaker 1: people have gone missing. Yeah, so you keep in hand
Speaker 1: with that. But then a lot of times, you know, uh,
Speaker 1: do you want to play roulette with the milk Carton,
Speaker 1: because there are things out there, Matt, And I don't
Speaker 1: care what anybody says until you spend the time out there.
Speaker 1: And I mean spend the time I loan. And then
Speaker 1: you tell me for about a week or two or
Speaker 1: three weeks you've been out there alone, out there deep
Speaker 1: in the national forest, out of a river or something.
Speaker 1: Or are you come out and telling me to do
Speaker 1: you already there or not? Or witness something that you
Speaker 1: couldn't explain, or something you couldn't you couldn't if you
Speaker 1: can't make out what it was, or or or you're
Speaker 1: bolting up a tree. But yeah, and that's only when
Speaker 1: you go out there with nothing. Well, you got your
Speaker 1: forty five and a ten foot staff. That's just you know,
Speaker 1: in case you might have to deal with a you know,
Speaker 1: a frisky ball cat or something. I have to put
Speaker 1: him were, you know, or a bear. You make yourself bigger.
Speaker 1: You know, I got pictures of black bear. What that
Speaker 1: one pains? I got like ten feet from me. He
Speaker 1: come up sniffing me. He's a big one, the four
Speaker 1: hundred pound or a big one and he's up for
Speaker 1: a sniff of man. And you know, I said, you
Speaker 1: know when I start to get up to tell him
Speaker 1: the shoe away. You know, he scamper's all his way.
Speaker 1: He really problem he bears h Now it's him telling him,
Speaker 1: but not the problem with them and so cats. But
Speaker 1: you're going to know, you know the difference between a
Speaker 1: deer and a bear and this and there when you
Speaker 1: hear some some beastly, you can hear the weight of
Speaker 1: it coming and you hear the deep growl and then
Speaker 1: and you feel it. And I tell people, people don't understand, Matt.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if you ever tried, just not
Speaker 1: how what the power it takes to feel it. And
Speaker 1: I mean go outside or stand in your room, put
Speaker 1: your hand in front of your face and scream, yell
Speaker 1: loud as you can. Now you just keep it going
Speaker 1: until you can't feel now vibration on your hand, how
Speaker 1: loud you're yelling.
Speaker 2: The thing that gets me is, uh, the reports where
Speaker 2: people feel them when they're running through the woods. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they can fill their feet hitting the ground.
Speaker 1: Yeah out.
Speaker 2: I mean you experienced that thing that sensation around you know,
Speaker 2: herds of cattle and things like that. But the idea
Speaker 2: that alone individual, especially one that doesn't have hooves on
Speaker 2: its feet running through the woods and you can fill it.
Speaker 2: Hitting the ground with each step. That's power. That that's
Speaker 2: beyond mass. That's that's power.
Speaker 1: Well, especially when you even there and you hear I
Speaker 1: mean you're laying in the gilly and you hear that
Speaker 1: he's in dip in the ground when he walks. Uh.
Speaker 1: And like I said, you feel him, you hear him.
Speaker 1: Like I said, your hearts are raising your hearts because
Speaker 1: you know, I call it a manimal actually, because you
Speaker 1: don't know what he's gonna do. Yeah, especially if you
Speaker 1: get the drop on him, because it ain't supposed to
Speaker 1: go that way. And and and like I said, I've
Speaker 1: taken guys. When I when I brought Larry Ramsey and
Speaker 1: I bought Dave Levering in on my team. Matt I
Speaker 1: asked that, I asked him. I said, from from from
Speaker 1: the time I brought you in till now, I said,
Speaker 1: I wanted to uh just uh share a moment or
Speaker 1: two before we got off here. I wanted uh, each
Speaker 1: one of them to uh and they're not gonna lie
Speaker 1: if they saw something, they saw something, they did and
Speaker 1: they didn't do it. I wanted them so let the
Speaker 1: people here uh what they've experienced with me. You've been
Speaker 1: with me on a long day two a couple of years? Yeah,
Speaker 1: we Dave's a drummer like me, retired drummer. And uh
Speaker 1: and uh, Larry, you've been with me how long?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 1: I just say it to you, just shy a two years?
Speaker 1: If you don't mind, I'll let Maria Man Larry Larry
Speaker 1: Ramsey uh tell you what it was like when we
Speaker 1: first met, real quick. When we first met, it was
Speaker 1: really uh, quite unique because it was all his anniversary
Speaker 1: when we first met, when I was on my big
Speaker 1: foot tours and uh, what are god son? But uh,
Speaker 1: y'all let them tell both? Are you real quick? I
Speaker 1: face all something that I didn't. Hey man, how's it going?
Speaker 2: Hey Larry? How are you all right?
Speaker 4: Sir?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 5: So basically, I uh, I've been interested in bigfoot for
Speaker 5: most of my life, but it didn't really get much
Speaker 5: chance to get out and do a lot. And when
Speaker 5: I did, you know, I didn't really know what I
Speaker 5: was looking for, uh so uh, and I was bored,
Speaker 5: so I wanted another group to do it with. So
Speaker 5: I started looking around. And there's so many different groups
Speaker 5: out there, it's hard to really know, you know, I
Speaker 5: can get involved with. You got to really start looking
Speaker 5: at this stuff and you know, investigating them too, And
Speaker 5: most of the people really don't. Only a few have
Speaker 5: really concrete evidence that I've seen, and a lot of
Speaker 5: the other people.
Speaker 1: They're just they were just like me.
Speaker 5: They were just you know, Daniel booming it through the woods,
Speaker 5: you know, trying to find what they could find. And
Speaker 5: most of them they didn't know what they were looking at,
Speaker 5: just like me, didn't even know what was there. Maybe
Speaker 5: like kind of like you said, you hadn't really noticed
Speaker 5: some of that stuff before. It's like we were just
Speaker 5: ignoring things that were very important that he is now
Speaker 5: teaching me. So I'm I'm really lucky that I got.
Speaker 1: Hooked up with him.
Speaker 2: What was it like, uh, the first time you met
Speaker 2: up with him?
Speaker 5: Uh uh, Well, it was it was pretty cool because
Speaker 5: I mean, I guess unfortunate for him, not a lot
Speaker 5: of people showed up that day, so I was like
Speaker 5: one of the few people that did. So I got
Speaker 5: like really good time with him that day. I got
Speaker 5: to really talk with him and feel him out, and
Speaker 5: the same for him for me too, I guess, but uh.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It was it was pretty awesome. There was somebody.
Speaker 5: It was somebody I wanted to meet, and and then
Speaker 5: I got to and he was a normal person. He
Speaker 5: was he wasn't wasn't fake, just a down to earth
Speaker 5: guy and I we hit it off really well, so
Speaker 5: I was pretty happy. I mean, actually came back out
Speaker 5: the following weekend, which was my birthday, to meet up
Speaker 5: with him again and we went out into the woods
Speaker 5: with Dave. Walker showed up that night, the author and
Speaker 5: he went out with us too, So we were probably
Speaker 5: out till about four or five in the morning that night,
Speaker 5: but not really much it happened, you know. So we
Speaker 5: were just kind of chilling, and then right when we
Speaker 5: were getting ready to leave, a rock came in at
Speaker 5: us and hit the inside of the truck. Like the
Speaker 5: truck cap was up and it came in and hit
Speaker 5: the inside of the truck cap.
Speaker 1: And that's about the only thing that happened that night.
Speaker 2: Like you were talking about, there's not a lot of
Speaker 2: people that actually have evidence. There's tons and tons of
Speaker 2: groups out there, all of them claiming to be the experts,
Speaker 2: you know, with all the information. So you kind of
Speaker 2: lucked out, it seems. Hooking up with Rich what happened
Speaker 2: to kind of solidify that, Hey, this guy knows his ship,
Speaker 2: he knows what he's talking about.
Speaker 5: Oh God, the well, the first night that I've stayed here,
Speaker 5: we were up pretty much all night long, just talking
Speaker 5: back and.
Speaker 3: Forth, and he was showing me some stuff, showing me
Speaker 3: some pictures, letting me.
Speaker 1: Hear some video, you know.
Speaker 5: And then he wasn't like showing it all to me,
Speaker 5: you know, but enough that I was. I was blown away,
Speaker 5: and I'm like, wow, man, this this is for real.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got pictures.
Speaker 5: I didn't even believe in dog Man until I've seen
Speaker 5: some of his pictures, you know, and heard some of
Speaker 5: his stories, and I was like, man, okay, well that
Speaker 5: was a whole other thing I gotta worry about or
Speaker 5: think about when I'm out there in the woods.
Speaker 1: I was just.
Speaker 3: Focusing on big Foot.
Speaker 5: That was like what I was interested in, right, and
Speaker 5: nobody else. I mean, Kay, Michaels has got a lot
Speaker 5: of really good stuff.
Speaker 1: So like these two both.
Speaker 5: Down in hockey, I've got a lot of stuff, but
Speaker 5: like we're kind of mostly everybody else did't, no matter
Speaker 5: how many like you see a bunch of blurry pictures
Speaker 5: or you would hear audio that sounded like people were
Speaker 5: doing that, you know, like I can almost some much
Speaker 5: the player. I could make that sound, you know, and
Speaker 5: it sounds like a person else. So and and none
Speaker 5: of his evidence to me, uh was face.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, there's a pretty famous uh dog man
Speaker 2: image floating around that we talked about, and I know
Speaker 2: that lots of people have tried to find that image
Speaker 2: in a horror movie or a TV show or somewhere,
Speaker 2: and as far as I'm aware of, nobody has been
Speaker 2: able to debunk that image or those images.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well they want to. They want to sell that
Speaker 5: because it's too good. But you can't make anybody happy
Speaker 5: you either your picture is too blurry, and then that's
Speaker 5: why it's not real. Or this picture or this video
Speaker 5: or whatever is so good that people are like, well,
Speaker 5: that's got to be fake because it's too good, you know.
Speaker 5: It's like and there's no mask.
Speaker 1: That looks like that either. I'm pretty sure I know
Speaker 1: what picture referring to. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I've had people like, come on, and I've
Speaker 5: reade comments where people have said that, well, you can
Speaker 5: tell that that's a man in a suit because look
Speaker 5: how the legs are bent.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, nobody's going to say that just because
Speaker 3: somebody says as a.
Speaker 5: Dog man or wear wolf or whatever, that it's going
Speaker 5: to be anatomically correct between from the toes to the
Speaker 5: tips of the ears, you know, of what a blend
Speaker 5: of a wolf or a dog or a man could be.
Speaker 5: So how are you or anyone to say how it's
Speaker 5: legs or typically to be bent, you know, especially if
Speaker 5: you've you've never seen one of a lot of people
Speaker 5: that make the comments that if they just sitting in
Speaker 5: front their computer, they've never been in the woods in
Speaker 5: their life, or.
Speaker 3: If they do, you know, they don't go very far.
Speaker 5: They go on these little little trails that everybody else
Speaker 5: goes on too, So it's like they don't really know
Speaker 5: what's out there.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people who get their entire knowledge
Speaker 2: base from listening to other people on the internet tell
Speaker 2: them what to believe. What's it like to be out
Speaker 2: there in the field and having a rock thrown at
Speaker 2: you or experiencing these things firsthand?
Speaker 1: Uh, it's cool.
Speaker 5: It's like what you're there for, you know, I mean
Speaker 5: you want more? I mean I want to see one
Speaker 5: I don't I don't know how close I initially want
Speaker 5: to see one at first, but I definitely want to
Speaker 5: see one. But initially I guess, you know, you get excited,
Speaker 5: maybe you get a little nervous, but I mean it
Speaker 5: is what you're there for, so it's like you can't really,
Speaker 5: I guess, really be too afraid or want to run off,
Speaker 5: because then why are you there?
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I mean there's a big jump though, from being interested
Speaker 2: in the subject and checking it out and everything and
Speaker 2: being out in the woods at three am with things
Speaker 2: moving around you.
Speaker 1: Very true, very true.
Speaker 5: And a lot of times people, I don't know, people
Speaker 5: will some of their stories where it's like they think
Speaker 5: they've seen something or whatever. Maybe they're telling a story
Speaker 5: of a lot of people get scared, you know, in
Speaker 5: the dark in the woods and they a sound makes
Speaker 5: them think something, and like your mind can go wild
Speaker 5: and then all of a sudden you think you've seen
Speaker 5: something that you didn't and you're telling the story and
Speaker 5: it keeps growing over time, and you've you told your
Speaker 5: story twelve different times and it's differently nine different times.
Speaker 1: Just how it can go.
Speaker 2: But I mean that's to be expected, though, you know,
Speaker 2: you can get your emotions get the better of you
Speaker 2: sometimes out there. I always said, you know, take your experiences,
Speaker 2: get home and allow a cool down period of like,
Speaker 2: you know, a few days to pass, and then reevaluate
Speaker 2: what you experienced and relook at things and then tell
Speaker 2: your stories.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be the better way to go about it.
Speaker 5: But then some people, you know, they just want to
Speaker 5: beef up their stories because they're hoping they can get
Speaker 5: hits on their YouTube or for their site or whatever
Speaker 5: they're doing. So that's why they're just making up their stories.
Speaker 5: And that was another thing you had to worry about.
Speaker 5: When you're trying to find a group or something they're
Speaker 5: trying to get into. It's like, well, how many of
Speaker 5: these people are just making stuff up? And then how
Speaker 5: many of the people are just blindly following them because
Speaker 5: they don't want to look into what these people are
Speaker 5: making up. They just want to believe, you know, they're just.
Speaker 1: Want to be part of it.
Speaker 5: Well, sure, and I wanted to get in with somebody
Speaker 5: who is really investigating and finding real evidence and he'll
Speaker 5: learn as much as I could.
Speaker 2: Actually, what are you hoping to get out of this?
Speaker 2: And I know you said that you wanted to see
Speaker 2: you on but do you have a goal whenever this
Speaker 2: is all said and done with that you want to
Speaker 2: have accomplished.
Speaker 5: Mainly just that like being able to see one and
Speaker 5: then some of what Rich has taught me. If I
Speaker 5: can continue that particular sighting into more, I would like
Speaker 5: to kind of convene with one a little bit, like
Speaker 5: to where I can spend more time seeing the same one,
Speaker 5: hopefully in that area, get it to kind of know
Speaker 5: who I am a little bit as I will know
Speaker 5: who it is. That would be really awesome.
Speaker 2: What's one of the bigger things that sticks out in
Speaker 2: your mind that Rich has taught you?
Speaker 5: You pay attention to some of the finest details that
Speaker 5: you normally wouldn't notice in the woods because they don't
Speaker 5: always do stuff with sticks. They'll manipulate branches, they'll.
Speaker 1: Do things that.
Speaker 5: People wouldn't think about, and it's it's you'll overlook a
Speaker 5: lot of the ship that they'll do. So just really
Speaker 5: really paying attention to the finest of details, man remember
Speaker 5: and everything, trying to document everything you do, everything you see.
Speaker 2: What's been your favorite experience that you've had personally.
Speaker 3: Just being part of the team.
Speaker 1: I would say being with a group of.
Speaker 5: Guys that enjoy having you around, and you enjoy being
Speaker 5: around them.
Speaker 1: You share the.
Speaker 5: The same lights and the camaraderie that you can build
Speaker 5: when you're when you're out in the field.
Speaker 1: It's like I it's cool.
Speaker 2: That is an excellent answer, man, that's an excellent answer. Well,
Speaker 2: it was good talking to you. Thanks for jumping on here.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah, talk to day now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me talk to Dave. Hey man, Hey, Dave,
Speaker 2: how are you?
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good.
Speaker 2: Are you doing all right? So you're the skeptic, Yeah,
Speaker 2: all right, Well let's hear it is Rich full of shit.
Speaker 4: I actually don't think he's full of shit because I've
Speaker 4: known him for a long time. I've never known him
Speaker 4: to lie about anything.
Speaker 6: And but the reason I'm a skeptic is because, like
Speaker 6: when I first got into this, I was I'm on
Speaker 6: YouTube and other platforms and watching videos, and.
Speaker 1: For every.
Speaker 4: Thousand that you watch, there might be one in there
Speaker 4: that could be maybe believable. There's just so much crap
Speaker 4: out there that you have to sort through you to
Speaker 4: find anything real, and then you're not sure if it's
Speaker 4: real or not.
Speaker 2: You know what's got you stumped the most that you've
Speaker 2: encountered or experienced with Rich.
Speaker 6: The wood talk has confused me a couple of times
Speaker 6: because really, don't how explain it?
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not supposed to be there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how did he get there to put it there?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: And you know, and what's it mean is they're just
Speaker 4: so I have so many questions. Yeah, those fold the
Speaker 4: tree and yeah, that experience was pretty exceptional. We found
Speaker 4: we were at a lake and uh, not too far.
Speaker 3: From the parking lot. Probably walked to the yards if that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Uh, there's a structure like a like a TP
Speaker 4: looking structure, and then about ten yards away from it,
Speaker 4: there is a forty foot tree that's about eight ten
Speaker 4: intes is around that it's moving between other trees. And
Speaker 4: and damn sure did not fall like that?
Speaker 1: Huh and and uh.
Speaker 4: The more I research and the more I'm in the
Speaker 4: woods with Rich and Larry seeing this stuff and seeing
Speaker 4: Cane's evidence, it's it's really hard to be skeptical. But
Speaker 4: I still am because I personally, I've never experienced anything.
Speaker 4: I've never seen one, heard one.
Speaker 1: I'm on that.
Speaker 4: I'm on the fence about it.
Speaker 2: You know, that's something a lot of people deal with.
Speaker 2: But why do you think that is is it just
Speaker 2: the amount of time that you've been able to actually
Speaker 2: spend out there. Why does it seem like some people
Speaker 2: have all this stuff happened to them and then others
Speaker 2: never experience anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the people that have things happen to them, I
Speaker 1: think are spending a lot of time out there because
Speaker 1: it's so rare of an occasion to hear or see
Speaker 1: something that you just see.
Speaker 4: You have to be out there a lot. And my
Speaker 4: job kind of restricts me on on time. And why
Speaker 4: it's during the summer. Now I'll come fall and winter
Speaker 4: It'll slap off a little bit and I'll have a
Speaker 4: little more time to do things until them, I'm just
Speaker 4: kind of biding my time.
Speaker 2: I guess as a group, what are you guys trying
Speaker 2: to accomplish? Like, what kind of projects do you have
Speaker 2: going on?
Speaker 4: Just some overnight hikes down at Richest Cabin and the
Speaker 4: Hawking Hills. If we get down there and do overnighters
Speaker 4: quite a bit and record and if we can hear
Speaker 4: anything or see anything. And the we're hoping to do
Speaker 4: some big Foot tours here later on this fall, Nelsonville.
Speaker 1: Big that's go I should that's gonna.
Speaker 4: Be Rich Tell you about that.
Speaker 1: Uh, well, that's one thing Matt work. Uh. We're gonna
Speaker 1: see if we can put the town of Nelsonville, Ohio
Speaker 1: back on the map. I've been Uh. I've already got
Speaker 1: a meeting schedule with the mayor and they're going to
Speaker 1: have for the first time a big Foot festival in Nelsonville.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be a big part of uh ocr and
Speaker 1: uh and that's going to be exciting. And plus we
Speaker 1: got we're gonna be at the mauthmanph Festival again this year.
Speaker 1: We're gonna be either on inside the Riverboat Museum on
Speaker 1: the first floor or on the second floor. One on
Speaker 1: the two floors.
Speaker 2: Dave mentioned the Bigfoot tours. Are are you going to
Speaker 2: have those like wide open to the public or is
Speaker 2: it are you gonna be kind of picking and choosing
Speaker 2: who goes?
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 1: Well, it's on uh Facebook. I don't know if anybody
Speaker 1: knows it's not, but I have I have separated myself
Speaker 1: from h exposing the strange with David Wolf. Uh. Uh.
Speaker 1: I went on my own because I've been trying to
Speaker 1: go on my own and uh and my team and
Speaker 1: anybody that knows me, Matt have to hold tell me
Speaker 1: of Hawking, Fairfield, Perry and other surrounding county. So way
Speaker 1: way out there. That knows me. Uh. I'm not a
Speaker 1: liar and I'm not a thief, and I'm not a storyteller.
Speaker 1: I don't make up anything. And I tell people if
Speaker 1: you want to have an experience, I don't pulled anything back.
Speaker 1: You want to come out here, you want to come out, well,
Speaker 1: come on, I have nothing to hide, and you can
Speaker 1: see where I hunt. Then we'll all get a picture
Speaker 1: of that critter. You know. Like I said, But if
Speaker 1: you really want something, uh concrete, you got to get
Speaker 1: out there by yourself, or have three guys in a pyramid,
Speaker 1: but scattered out in Gilly. He's buried. And then when
Speaker 1: that time comes, you have that flear on, but have
Speaker 1: the lenses closed and you wait. You wait until that
Speaker 1: critter is at least twenty feet from you, and then
Speaker 1: pop them lenses and pole you got him. Now here's
Speaker 1: the other part of that. What's you're gonna do When
Speaker 1: he first sees that flear fire up, it's like the
Speaker 1: sunbeam hitting him in the face. Now, what do you
Speaker 1: think he's going to do? Because now you've got to
Speaker 1: drop on him. See I said, that's well, everybody's going
Speaker 1: to have to watch one another here because you're not
Speaker 1: dealing with you're you're dealing with a man animal here
Speaker 1: like an animal basically. And that's what I tell try
Speaker 1: to tell people. I said, you're not going out there
Speaker 1: looking for a wooly woolly or a little fuzzy creature.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna be so fuzzy when you run into
Speaker 1: him face the face. I don't go see that and
Speaker 1: you're gonna freeze, You're gonna solid. And I tell people
Speaker 1: usually when you seem he's already sees you, I tell
Speaker 1: you was just I usually take an ear sit down,
Speaker 1: and that freaks them out because normally they'll take off
Speaker 1: or the person will take off bolden and like the
Speaker 1: big Foot's like they gonna goes to another one. Uh,
Speaker 1: then you have to grow all that time. Uh. But
Speaker 1: when you sit down and sit there, pick up a
Speaker 1: stick and with and he's probably thinking, oh, he's not
Speaker 1: afraid of me. Well, I'll just get a little closer
Speaker 1: and check him out. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't,
Speaker 1: And you'll know when the when it's over with because
Speaker 1: they just get up in bold when they're done looking
Speaker 1: at or whatever.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's that first initial. Now, the big foots
Speaker 1: that I've ever captured was all daylight, if that makes
Speaker 1: any sense. And uh, but if you're going to capture
Speaker 1: one at night, that's what you're going to have to do.
Speaker 1: You can't have anything on that produces heat or with
Speaker 1: a battery in it. If you put up trail cams
Speaker 1: looked through infrared, uh binoculars, an infrared binocular looked through them.
Speaker 1: Trail cams hanging on the trees, they're golowing like candles
Speaker 1: because of the batteries in the back of them. God forbid,
Speaker 1: you're looking to that thing when it goes off in
Speaker 1: a blind robe and uh no. And and I've done
Speaker 1: field trial after field trial for over a year on
Speaker 1: a trail cam and trying to hide the beam. And
Speaker 1: I did get successful here, uh because I came up
Speaker 1: with a blue like a blue chromium mylre and uh,
Speaker 1: it's center on center than saran wrap. Uh. I've never
Speaker 1: seen the matial again. I bought this novelty store and
Speaker 1: in this film and uh, the business went down. And
Speaker 1: but I was using that and I put corn on
Speaker 1: the side of on the other side the road there.
Speaker 1: But the trail came up and didn't put it on it. Well,
Speaker 1: you can see the deer and everything come up, and
Speaker 1: one or two of them come up and they put
Speaker 1: their nose right.
Speaker 3: In front of the camera. I mean right right up
Speaker 3: to the camera.
Speaker 1: They see the beam. Well, I put that mall hoar
Speaker 1: on it, and I went about like a quarter mile
Speaker 1: off the road and I put up the trail can
Speaker 1: but I put the model or and put the feet
Speaker 1: out and nothing came up or the deer didn't even
Speaker 1: put their nose put the camera. I went, welliam in
Speaker 1: the hare, so I uh tords there. I took the trail,
Speaker 1: came off and went down the road another quarter mile,
Speaker 1: put them or took a mile hour off, put it up,
Speaker 1: DearS up in front of the camera. Again. I'm doing
Speaker 1: this for a year and well, yeah they didn't go
Speaker 1: up in front off. That's about the only way. But
Speaker 1: like I said, if you just put troil cams up,
Speaker 1: they see it just like like candle's going on the trees.
Speaker 1: And that's why a lot of people say, man, I
Speaker 1: got there's like four hundred and fifty pictures or like
Speaker 1: twelve hundred pictures on this trail camera that there's nothing
Speaker 1: on it. I go, well, that's probably the Bigfoot standing
Speaker 1: behind it, and he's got a stick in his hand
Speaker 1: and he's got his arm around here and he's waving
Speaker 1: it tick in front of it, watching the flash go off.
Speaker 1: They'd like to play with them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've looked through a lot of those photos back
Speaker 2: in the day.
Speaker 1: But I am glad, Matt. I am glad that I
Speaker 1: got to hook up with you and and and got
Speaker 1: to talk with you. And there's just so much more stuff, Matt,
Speaker 1: I mean just I mean, I got I don't know
Speaker 1: what to do with it all. What do you hear?
Speaker 1: The bigfoot growls and this one critter uh moan and roar,
Speaker 1: and it is so loud it woke me up in
Speaker 1: the bed in the cabin. I've never heard anything like
Speaker 1: it in my life. And this thing went on from
Speaker 1: eleven o'clock till seven in the morning, non stop, and
Speaker 1: it just echoed and burrowed through the valley. So, like
Speaker 1: I said, there's just like I said, there's just so
Speaker 1: much stuff and I don't know what to do with
Speaker 1: it all. And uh, I've done you know, a couple
Speaker 1: of other podcast on things, and uh, but I never
Speaker 1: really got a chance to get into uh, this other stuff,
Speaker 1: and I don't really know if I want to or not. Uh.
Speaker 1: I mean because again it's that good. The pictures are
Speaker 1: that good, Matt. And uh. And like I said, in
Speaker 1: fifty years of my life, I have seen things because
Speaker 1: I've been out there alone, alone, and and and capturing
Speaker 1: this stuff. And there's times where I've even called I
Speaker 1: have called everybody, Matt. I've called everybody that note, Hey, man,
Speaker 1: you gotta get out here. Man, there's some stuff going on.
Speaker 1: To go Do you mean the cabin in Hawking, I go, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: going down. You ain't gonna catch me ner their wrists?
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no no your cabin Oh no no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. Why can't get anybody come out? Nobody except
Speaker 1: now for Larry and Dave. Well, now I can get
Speaker 1: out there and uh and hopefully this winter when it's
Speaker 1: closed out, I'm gonna I'm hoping to uh because I'm
Speaker 1: going back to old school ways. Already done tried the
Speaker 1: new ways, and people tried to lie and tell things
Speaker 1: and stretch the stretch it out, and I ain't me
Speaker 1: so no, I'm going back to old school, just like
Speaker 1: I always did basic everything, basic tech, basically all of them.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to hopefully show the public some good stuff.
Speaker 1: But like I said, it's not a matter if, it's
Speaker 1: a matter when, and it's not you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: you got more chances, you know, uh finding the bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Uh you know kind of wood talk and he would
Speaker 1: playing the lottery, I says, or scratch off.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: But uh, like I said, there's three different types of
Speaker 1: wood talk. There's ground talk just for one family, and
Speaker 1: there's mid talk for the three families. On the high
Speaker 1: talk for all that's passing see And like I said,
Speaker 1: the ground talk is a directional marker or like a picture,
Speaker 1: and that's just for the dad if he leaves, and
Speaker 1: for mom and junior to follow only, like say, if
Speaker 1: we're all sitting around in a group and say, hey,
Speaker 1: we don't have to everybody, we're leaving, And I said,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and head on out, and you
Speaker 1: catch up with me. I'll be I'll leave your signs.
Speaker 1: That's where that one part is. And then now the
Speaker 1: mid talk, you know, it's for the three families, because
Speaker 1: I tell people there's three families that's down here that
Speaker 1: or are you got three males and three females in
Speaker 1: three US and the uh the three US, there's two
Speaker 1: males and a female, and when they grow up, one
Speaker 1: of them is going to claim that female. And it's
Speaker 1: not against fighting or anything like that. It's the test
Speaker 1: of strength and power. Because I came up on a
Speaker 1: mid use uh and I saw it where Uh I
Speaker 1: wish I got I wish I had got to see
Speaker 1: what the first one did, but I didn't, But I
Speaker 1: got to see what this one did. This thing straddled
Speaker 1: a huge tree right put his legs around it, and
Speaker 1: he kind of leaned back and gave a quick uh,
Speaker 1: like a roar, and it's like lightning. He was like
Speaker 1: five hits. The first hit was a bang crack.
Speaker 3: For the rest of him, he pummeled in five hits.
Speaker 1: Matt. He flattened that tree that he was standing over.
Speaker 1: And then I heard some stuff a barrel top on
Speaker 1: the ridge, and and then nothing after that, and then
Speaker 1: it just took off and it went up that ridge
Speaker 1: and what was that other one? So I guess they
Speaker 1: claimed the female, That's what I guess. But uh to
Speaker 1: see that, I mean, I was like, I was like, ah,
Speaker 1: like you see on TV. Samson hercules stuff. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like biblical of that power. It just it just uh
Speaker 1: it sent that feeling of the spectacular warm feeling, and
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, like I just take it, you know,
Speaker 1: took a breathway, just a witness that.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate you coming on here and sharing some
Speaker 2: of this stuff. And I'm glad we finally got the
Speaker 2: chance to talk oh.
Speaker 1: One here, and I'm glad that you gave me the
Speaker 1: privilege to uh let my guys speak. Well, for sure,
Speaker 1: there's no line here. This is just me and me
Speaker 1: and Kane Michaels uh down here. Uh. Even we're doing
Speaker 1: both steps different things.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: Uh we're real researchers out there, and uh we're just
Speaker 1: trying to uh the people out there that are making
Speaker 1: it fake. Uh. It just makes that harder for to
Speaker 1: get people to believe uh in seeing what we have
Speaker 1: as research evidence out there. So you know, I do
Speaker 1: library talks for free. I do this for free, free classes,
Speaker 1: free pooring classes. I supply toss everything. You know. It's
Speaker 1: like I said, I don't know, it's not for money
Speaker 1: for me. It's about education and teaching uh the townspeople
Speaker 1: or the public out there. Hey man, this is what's
Speaker 1: in your woods. You tell me what you think you see.
Speaker 1: Please you believe me or you don't.
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