WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:03.200 I'm kind of beastie. Critter almost got me because, like 2 00:00:03.240 --> 00:00:04.719 I said, it was pitch black. I don't know why, 3 00:00:04.799 --> 00:00:07.759 but when I heard this thing beller, it was running 4 00:00:07.799 --> 00:00:10.039 toward me when it was doing and I went, oh shit, 5 00:00:10.119 --> 00:00:12.279 I'm not gonna make it. I'm not gonna make I'm 6 00:00:12.320 --> 00:00:14.599 feeling around it. Think it's black. I'm feeling around it. 7 00:00:14.599 --> 00:00:16.440 Oh every street. I didn't care what it was. I 8 00:00:16.519 --> 00:00:18.519 was holding up it, and I got up a thing 9 00:00:18.640 --> 00:00:20.559 and then, boy what I did. It was right there 10 00:00:20.559 --> 00:00:23.679 at the bottom now and it was growling, snorting, and 11 00:00:23.760 --> 00:00:26.440 it's going around the tree. What the whole is that thing? 12 00:00:26.679 --> 00:00:28.600 And then it comes back and it went around the 13 00:00:28.600 --> 00:00:30.640 tree again and growling and growl, and then it went 14 00:00:30.719 --> 00:00:33.759 off in another direction. It kept doing this for about 15 00:00:33.799 --> 00:00:35.840 almost three hours, three or four hours or better. And 16 00:00:35.880 --> 00:00:38.240 anybody that knows me, mate, I'm not a liar. I 17 00:00:38.280 --> 00:00:40.799 don't make up anything. If you want to have an experience, 18 00:00:40.920 --> 00:00:42.880 I don't pull anything back. You want to come out here, 19 00:00:43.000 --> 00:00:44.759 going to come out with us? Come on, I have 20 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:47.039 nothing to hide. Then we'll all get a picture of 21 00:00:47.039 --> 00:00:50.079 that critter, you know. But if you really want something concrete, 22 00:00:50.320 --> 00:00:53.039 you got to get out there by yourself. And then 23 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:55.840 when that time comes, you have that flear on, but 24 00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:59.439 have the lenses closed, and you wait. You wait until 25 00:00:59.560 --> 00:01:02.119 that is at least twenty feet from you, and then 26 00:01:02.200 --> 00:01:04.799 pump them lenses and pole. You got him. Now here's 27 00:01:04.840 --> 00:01:06.680 the other part of that. What's you going to do 28 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:09.079 when he first sees that flear fire up like the 29 00:01:09.280 --> 00:01:11.159 sunbeam hit him into the faith? Now, what do you 30 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:12.840 think he's going to do? Because now you've got to 31 00:01:12.920 --> 00:01:46.799 drop on him. 32 00:01:46.959 --> 00:01:50.040 I'd like to welcome Rich mclandish to the show. Rich 33 00:01:50.120 --> 00:01:54.439 is from Ohio and he's someone I heard about long 34 00:01:54.480 --> 00:01:57.319 ago whenever I had another guest, a mutual friend of ours, 35 00:01:57.400 --> 00:02:02.040 Cane Michael Long and uh yeah, welcome to Bigfoot Crossroads. Man. 36 00:02:02.079 --> 00:02:02.840 Thanks for joining me. 37 00:02:03.400 --> 00:02:05.680 Yeah, thanks for having me on your show. 38 00:02:05.760 --> 00:02:06.680 Matt. 39 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:09.439 Why don't you start us off by telling us a 40 00:02:09.479 --> 00:02:12.319 little bit about your organization and what you guys do. 41 00:02:14.319 --> 00:02:21.520 I started this organ organization about a couple of years ago, 42 00:02:23.840 --> 00:02:30.400 and it's called Ohio Cryptied Researcher, not Researchers, just with 43 00:02:30.759 --> 00:02:37.680 R and and I picked up a couple of gentlemen 44 00:02:37.719 --> 00:02:43.199 on my team, and one's Larry Ramsey. He's my right 45 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:47.520 hand man out here doing this, and he's in with 46 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:51.479 me a couple of years now. And hey, I got 47 00:02:51.560 --> 00:02:56.759 him solely in helping me on helping me locate wood talk. 48 00:02:57.520 --> 00:03:03.159 And I got another person that I hired on my team, 49 00:03:03.360 --> 00:03:07.159 which he is a skeptic, uh, because you know, just 50 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:09.080 to tell the public, ay, I'm not out here to 51 00:03:10.719 --> 00:03:12.919 lie or make anything out. So I got me a 52 00:03:12.919 --> 00:03:15.280 skeptic on my team. And his name is David Levering. 53 00:03:15.439 --> 00:03:19.840 He's a my skeptic and tracker. He helps find or 54 00:03:20.479 --> 00:03:23.240 if he can locate, uh, you know, bigfoot tracks or 55 00:03:23.520 --> 00:03:27.199 tracks that he can't recognize out there in the field. 56 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:32.360 And but everything's been going really good so far, uh 57 00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:34.680 is now we just get the time to get out 58 00:03:34.719 --> 00:03:35.520 there in the field. 59 00:03:36.240 --> 00:03:38.840 You mentioned wood talk for those that aren't familiar with 60 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:41.360 the term, what exactly do you mean by wood talk? 61 00:03:42.759 --> 00:03:49.280 Well, Uh, long ago, when as I was growing up, 62 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:54.159 I read stuff on a little bit about the Bigfoot 63 00:03:54.520 --> 00:04:01.080 stuff on Indians, the Indian sightings and stuff, and particular tribes. 64 00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:03.800 A couple of them in a high they talk about 65 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:06.080 they called them like the big Foot. They call me, 66 00:04:06.120 --> 00:04:09.759 you know, the stick people. Uh. Because they were making 67 00:04:10.479 --> 00:04:13.800 symbols on the ground, and. 68 00:04:14.879 --> 00:04:16.879 They didn't basically know what they meant. 69 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:20.240 They just said they wanted you know, they're making these 70 00:04:20.279 --> 00:04:23.480 stick symbols on the ground. So I just called wood talk. 71 00:04:23.639 --> 00:04:29.439 There's a pilot layer. Uh. Wood talk is rare to 72 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:36.759 find for one and uh and two it's for it's like, uh, 73 00:04:37.920 --> 00:04:43.839 maybe one family or two families that are we're going 74 00:04:43.920 --> 00:04:46.560 to leave, or you know, the males are going to 75 00:04:46.759 --> 00:04:51.600 walk off and uh when he leaves and the male 76 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:58.439 and females stay, uh he goes uh leave. These directional 77 00:04:58.519 --> 00:05:01.399 it's like directional markers. And some of them are like 78 00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:07.399 uh I would say like a picture graph in a sense, 79 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:13.240 because one symbol on the ground would be like a 80 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:17.839 directional marker for the mother and the youth to follow. 81 00:05:18.720 --> 00:05:22.680 But also it has maybe a couple other sticks or 82 00:05:22.720 --> 00:05:25.279 three other sticks added with that to show that, well, 83 00:05:25.720 --> 00:05:27.560 a long stick of air. You know, they go, okay, well, 84 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:31.160 there's a there's a long mountain, a long mountain in 85 00:05:31.160 --> 00:05:34.240 that direction, and a couple of sticks or so on 86 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:37.439 the other side, and it's like, okay, there's railroad tracks 87 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:42.199 or power lines beyond that, or a river and uh 88 00:05:42.360 --> 00:05:44.439 that's like I said, it's called they call it. I 89 00:05:44.519 --> 00:05:45.279 call it wood talk. 90 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:50.040 Are the symbols and stuff that they're using unique to 91 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:54.160 the particular family group or are they pretty universal across 92 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:54.600 the board? 93 00:05:55.920 --> 00:06:01.399 What I've seen is uh uh universal almost almost uh. 94 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:06.800 And what I mean by that it's you see, you 95 00:06:06.839 --> 00:06:10.839 see a symbol and uh, and you know what it 96 00:06:10.920 --> 00:06:13.560 means is okay. It says okay, something's pointing there to 97 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:18.040 the right, and and the symbol says good cover. There's 98 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:18.519 like a. 99 00:06:18.439 --> 00:06:21.720 Stick on top of it, and and you. 100 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:24.639 Prisonan say, you run across another one. It's the same symbol, 101 00:06:24.759 --> 00:06:28.920 but with maybe another stick added to it, one stick 102 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:32.279 missing one, But it's still it's like the same meaning. 103 00:06:32.480 --> 00:06:36.680 You know. It's like our when you say you know, uh, 104 00:06:37.000 --> 00:06:40.120 different phrases, it means several different meanings. And but it's 105 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:45.759 the same thing that I've noticed. And like when you 106 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:49.879 see saplings tied, I mean big saplings tied and locked 107 00:06:50.519 --> 00:06:55.639 down that's been over and locked. Yeah, and you see 108 00:06:55.639 --> 00:06:58.720 one ben over to the right, even those are uh. 109 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:02.759 Basically people know that if they're bent to the left 110 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:05.360 and lock that means they're to the right. And if 111 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:07.560 they're bent over to the right, that means they're off 112 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:10.439 to the left's backwards. 113 00:07:10.959 --> 00:07:13.000 How did all of this get started for you? 114 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:21.839 When I was ten years old? Uh Uh, I adopt. 115 00:07:21.879 --> 00:07:25.639 We adopted each other. I got my brother Rusty, and 116 00:07:25.839 --> 00:07:28.360 he showed me. Uh. He said, hey man, you got 117 00:07:28.360 --> 00:07:31.720 to come out. Uh and here's here's some of this 118 00:07:31.800 --> 00:07:34.759 stuff and I'm gonna lot. And at that time he 119 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:37.839 was like six years older than me. I was ten, 120 00:07:37.920 --> 00:07:41.480 and I said, okay, well where we're going. Well he 121 00:07:41.639 --> 00:07:47.160 walked me out there, little trestle wiknif over on the bridge. 122 00:07:47.639 --> 00:07:49.959 I sat down. My big old sandstone colors are in 123 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:53.959 the creek and uh. He was waiting there for hours. 124 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:56.279 I said, hey, rust, I said, now, what's going on? 125 00:07:56.680 --> 00:07:57.839 May just be quiet? 126 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:02.240 He said, just shut up. I said, okay, that's how 127 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:04.839 it went. And then h and all of a sudden, 128 00:08:04.839 --> 00:08:09.759 you heard these big branches of breaking and then you 129 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:12.800 hear louder and he has a big tweegs snap here 130 00:08:12.839 --> 00:08:17.800 and there, and then you hear a big gigantic splash 131 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:23.040 in the creek. And I was like wow. At the time, 132 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:25.079 it's I mean, it's still wild. In my mind today, 133 00:08:26.399 --> 00:08:28.399 I was like somebody threw a cow in the creek. 134 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:32.799 It was enormous splash, I mean a way up the 135 00:08:32.799 --> 00:08:35.559 creek there. And I asked him, I said, what was that? 136 00:08:35.759 --> 00:08:37.360 And he said, that's what I was trying to tell you. 137 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:41.559 He said, I don't know what it is. And so 138 00:08:42.039 --> 00:08:44.759 time went on and uh, we just every now and 139 00:08:44.759 --> 00:08:47.519 then we go we catch it. Everyone's in the blue moon. 140 00:08:47.600 --> 00:08:57.080 And and then at the age of eleven, Russy came. 141 00:08:57.159 --> 00:08:59.440 He went with these you know caen ages at the 142 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:03.919 timer out right around the party or whatever. And uh 143 00:09:04.000 --> 00:09:05.519 he said, hey, you got to kind of check his 144 00:09:05.600 --> 00:09:08.480 place out with. I go, what is it? 145 00:09:08.519 --> 00:09:10.879 And he goes, Uh, he said, what the call of 146 00:09:10.960 --> 00:09:11.279 the pit? 147 00:09:11.679 --> 00:09:16.600 I go, right, I said, yeah, really cool. And on 148 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:20.159 the other side of that, you know, uh, we had 149 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:25.000 to ride our bicycles to this place and it's like 150 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:30.679 fifteen miles or eighty miles or better and wow. And 151 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:34.240 uh so there we went early in the morning, took off. 152 00:09:34.639 --> 00:09:37.919 And uh and I'm not kidding out. 153 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:40.240 Uh, the first time he took me to his place, 154 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:44.000 it was like like the garden I eating something. 155 00:09:44.320 --> 00:09:45.440 Uh, just. 156 00:09:47.720 --> 00:09:53.039 Like time it's stopped there. Gigantic, Uh, you know, four 157 00:09:53.080 --> 00:09:54.799 or five hundred year old trees. I mean you know 158 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:57.559 you talk in these trees are you know over one 159 00:09:57.600 --> 00:10:03.120 hundred way a hundred foot high. You know, it's just 160 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:06.039 just pretty. It's just like a hallmark picture wherever you 161 00:10:06.399 --> 00:10:12.480 go down there. And and at the time, uh, and 162 00:10:12.559 --> 00:10:16.519 then Russia bumped into some health problems that kicked in 163 00:10:16.759 --> 00:10:21.840 and uh uh and then uh, I said, I was 164 00:10:21.879 --> 00:10:26.440 going out there a lot by myself even and and 165 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:30.159 then all of a sudden one day at the age 166 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:37.039 of thirteen, Uh, I was down there, Uh in the pit, 167 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:41.639 and I was in this area or on the top. 168 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:46.879 There's there's two falls down in there, and uh on 169 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:49.799 the right of the far falls on the right. Uh, 170 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:53.000 there's like a chickuzi like down in there, big like 171 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:55.919 a big area carved out or a stone. 172 00:10:56.519 --> 00:10:58.039 Like a big chacuozi pool down there. 173 00:10:58.080 --> 00:11:01.879 And it was dry times. So I climbed down in 174 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:07.960 it from that, coming down the hill there, and as 175 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:10.440 I was getting ready to get eye view, I was 176 00:11:10.519 --> 00:11:14.480 climbing up to look across the falls. As soon as 177 00:11:14.519 --> 00:11:18.559 I got at the top and looked across, it's like 178 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:24.240 my heart like stopped almost. It was like yeah, I 179 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:28.480 was like, uh, hard to catch your breath. It goes 180 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:31.600 straight across the falls, both the falls. 181 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:34.480 There on the hillside. 182 00:11:34.480 --> 00:11:38.600 There there a big I saw a big, giant big 183 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:41.759 foot standing over there, but he wasn't looking my way. 184 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:46.039 He was back turned to me. Uh. And that's probably 185 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:49.679 been i'd say about thirty five yards when the guys 186 00:11:50.039 --> 00:11:56.879 across the Wow. Yeah for a little parler. Uh yeah. 187 00:11:58.080 --> 00:12:00.720 And when I saw it there, I just rose and 188 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:06.399 I immediately ducked down slow like molasses, and and crawled 189 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:09.759 down in there. And I waited and waited. It seemed 190 00:12:09.799 --> 00:12:13.200 like eternity, and I thought, wow, I just crawl on 191 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:18.159 it there, and and I did. And uh and like 192 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:23.039 what I know now, what I didn't know then is uh, 193 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:26.559 they probably knew I was there. They knew I was there, 194 00:12:29.639 --> 00:12:33.120 And like I said, it's just another uh, you know, 195 00:12:33.200 --> 00:12:36.159 incident in your life. And you you know, and I 196 00:12:36.200 --> 00:12:37.840 told you know, I felt kind of bad for a 197 00:12:37.879 --> 00:12:41.159 lot of people out there that uh, you know, even 198 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:43.879 the ones that don't believe. Uh, it's not just no 199 00:12:43.919 --> 00:12:46.360 matter if it's no matter when if you get out 200 00:12:46.399 --> 00:12:49.960 in the national force, uh and you do get to 201 00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:55.639 see one. It's just it's just like me when I 202 00:12:55.759 --> 00:13:01.159 first saw it, Matt, I was like a uh, a fresh, young, 203 00:13:01.559 --> 00:13:05.120 ready to go bloodhound on the chain had just broken. What. 204 00:13:05.320 --> 00:13:09.480 I'm not like talking about a Try County dog that 205 00:13:09.519 --> 00:13:11.679 ain't gonna come back. I'm talking about to try State 206 00:13:11.759 --> 00:13:16.720 dog almost because it is because this hobby of mind, 207 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:21.799 Matt has cost me dear friendships and cost me my 208 00:13:21.879 --> 00:13:28.039 first marriage and after that and more dear friendships. It's 209 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:30.480 like a curse that comes a little thing now or 210 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:33.480 trying to find us. But when you're out there looking 211 00:13:33.519 --> 00:13:38.600 for this career, you uh, I mean now, I never 212 00:13:38.720 --> 00:13:43.679 knew a six years six or so years ago something happened, Matt, 213 00:13:44.279 --> 00:13:48.639 because I just ran that long ago. I just ran 214 00:13:48.639 --> 00:13:52.799 into these cryptid like things. And that's around the time 215 00:13:53.519 --> 00:13:57.960 where I met Kane Michaels and you know about that 216 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:02.279 a little round of the story, Uh about one him 217 00:14:02.320 --> 00:14:04.639 and his partner Eric, who was down in the pit 218 00:14:04.720 --> 00:14:06.399 with me and I needed them to watch my back 219 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:11.759 looking for a certain critter and uh and when I 220 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:17.080 pulled them talents out of the mud, heane just you 221 00:14:17.120 --> 00:14:21.759 should have seen the look on King's face. Uh he's uh, 222 00:14:23.279 --> 00:14:26.840 he was he wasn't expecting that. I guarantee he's He's 223 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:27.919 like wow. 224 00:14:29.320 --> 00:14:30.320 And when you look at this. 225 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:36.879 When you see this, it's no big eagle could have 226 00:14:36.879 --> 00:14:40.080 made that. No, no, no, no no, it's like uh. 227 00:14:40.159 --> 00:14:44.360 And it had a partial foot to it too. I 228 00:14:44.360 --> 00:14:49.159 believe Jody cooked for uh in a DP North American 229 00:14:49.159 --> 00:14:53.080 dog Man projects like I believe he has a whole one, 230 00:14:53.159 --> 00:14:56.600 the whole track like of what I thought and came 231 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:01.279 forward to and uh uh Yeah. 232 00:15:02.399 --> 00:15:06.639 And when I took him down there, and I don't 233 00:15:06.679 --> 00:15:07.399 know if Kane, I. 234 00:15:07.480 --> 00:15:10.440 Can't tell you. You know, I was serious, you know, 235 00:15:10.519 --> 00:15:12.919 when I told him, I said, then when we go 236 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:16.120 down there, man, if you even if you get anything, 237 00:15:17.360 --> 00:15:22.679 I don't care why what what it is, some kind 238 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:24.879 of beast or whatever. If you get something to charge 239 00:15:25.480 --> 00:15:27.399 at us, I'm gonna shoot you right in the head. 240 00:15:30.679 --> 00:15:33.039 And uh. And I met it. And then, like I said, 241 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:36.799 I showed him some pictures of uh and videos of 242 00:15:36.840 --> 00:15:38.600 some of the stuff that I had when we were. 243 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:41.399 Leaving, and and and. 244 00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:44.559 What I didn't know is that he said this is uh. 245 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:47.639 He told me he said that he is. I think 246 00:15:47.639 --> 00:15:50.159 it's a toad standing stuff. You know, now it's not. 247 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:54.200 It's mine. And and he realized that he saw it. 248 00:15:56.000 --> 00:16:02.759 Yeah. But and how I met Kane was the public. 249 00:16:03.480 --> 00:16:06.759 Uh was coming to me saying, hey, you need to 250 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:10.159 look up with this guy named Kane and uh, and 251 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:11.840 they're telling Kaine the same thing, Hey you need to 252 00:16:11.879 --> 00:16:13.559 look up with this guy rich And I didn't know 253 00:16:13.559 --> 00:16:20.320 who he was until they we finally hooked up and 254 00:16:20.480 --> 00:16:22.639 we did, you know, we you know, kind of you 255 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:26.519 know that trust thing in the beginning. But when I 256 00:16:26.559 --> 00:16:29.320 started showing him things and having him doing a couple 257 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:34.120 of things out of property, then we now we become friends, 258 00:16:34.440 --> 00:16:39.559 pretty decent friends. And I he invites me over every 259 00:16:39.559 --> 00:16:42.799 now and then when we get a chance, uh and 260 00:16:43.559 --> 00:16:45.840 with me and my team to go over and check 261 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:52.840 out what he's got. But yeah, like I said, he's 262 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:55.240 he's got a good activity over there right now. And 263 00:16:55.240 --> 00:16:58.080 I'm kind of jealous right now because he's right now. 264 00:16:58.120 --> 00:17:03.919 They just flew. But he came to Washington State to 265 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:08.480 do a I guess a TV debut or something like that. 266 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:12.319 I well go before it came, you know, because I 267 00:17:12.359 --> 00:17:17.839 can verify Caine Michael's stuff. I've been to his house, 268 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:23.559 you know, I've seen in the wood talk and activity. 269 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:27.640 Uh And I can verify that. And and like I said, 270 00:17:27.640 --> 00:17:30.039 that's one reason why I started. Uh, and I've been 271 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:35.880 doing an ocr uh because it's real research math. It's 272 00:17:35.960 --> 00:17:41.480 we're not putting out a mockumentary. And uh and I 273 00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:43.720 just had I just got rid of uh, you know 274 00:17:43.720 --> 00:17:48.839 Iman for uh And I meant what I said. I 275 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:51.720 told him. I said, I will not do the AI 276 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:55.680 and uh make something bigger than what it is, or 277 00:17:55.920 --> 00:18:00.759 lie about the video or anything. Uh No, what we 278 00:18:00.839 --> 00:18:04.519 get in the field live is what we give the public. 279 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:08.680 And the public says, well, there ain't anything irving anything 280 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:11.880 for you A long time. It's like, well, if it 281 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:14.039 was that easy to get, i'd go get your Picasso 282 00:18:14.079 --> 00:18:18.079 of it. Right. It's not like that, you know, Matt. 283 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:21.359 It took me. It was a year and a half 284 00:18:21.359 --> 00:18:24.839 before I found another track. But unless it's a big 285 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:27.440 foot track or human track, I don't know. It's sixteen 286 00:18:27.480 --> 00:18:31.319 inches long by seven inches wide, unless it's a human 287 00:18:31.359 --> 00:18:33.680 that's all walking up the creek, I don't know. That 288 00:18:33.799 --> 00:18:35.759 was the latest one now? 289 00:18:35.839 --> 00:18:40.559 Is that the one that I saw some photos? So 290 00:18:40.839 --> 00:18:44.079 I think on the Facebook group of a track that 291 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:48.039 you had said Caine helped you take measurements of it. 292 00:18:48.039 --> 00:18:48.839 It looked huge. 293 00:18:50.759 --> 00:18:54.359 Oh yeah, that's a that's that twenty four inch track. 294 00:18:55.839 --> 00:19:00.759 Yeah that's nuts man. Oh yeah, that's huge. 295 00:19:01.440 --> 00:19:04.720 Yeah, that's a what we call. That's what it's an 296 00:19:04.759 --> 00:19:05.680 alpha male. 297 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:10.319 Is what I reckon, and. 298 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:16.599 That's what I believe in. And I had this theory 299 00:19:16.640 --> 00:19:20.079 because I was telling Caine about it. I said, hey, 300 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:25.920 I gotta I poured a twenty four inch track here 301 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:32.440 on this end of Hawking County. And I go, and 302 00:19:32.519 --> 00:19:33.160 he came. 303 00:19:32.960 --> 00:19:35.279 From your direction, and I'm thinking. 304 00:19:35.400 --> 00:19:38.559 I told Cane, I said, I'm believing this is probably 305 00:19:38.559 --> 00:19:39.359 the same critter. 306 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:44.240 And then a walk. 307 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:48.119 Passed a little bit and then Kane calls me and 308 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:50.519 he says he's just poured a twenty four inch track 309 00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:56.440 at his place. Wow. And I go, well, okay, now 310 00:19:56.480 --> 00:20:01.680 if we can just hook up to see if it's 311 00:20:01.720 --> 00:20:06.599 the same critter here. And when we did, when we 312 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:09.000 put the lie door on his and put the lie 313 00:20:09.079 --> 00:20:12.960 door on mine, the big toe is an exact max 314 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:15.839 and the second toe and the link in the width 315 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:22.359 is an exact mass. And I was telling Kane look 316 00:20:22.400 --> 00:20:25.799 at that, and he was surprised to see that too, 317 00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:30.640 just like I was trying to tell people about if 318 00:20:30.680 --> 00:20:36.680 real researchers would get together out there. Don't have to 319 00:20:36.680 --> 00:20:38.519 show me your hunting grounds. I'll never go background and 320 00:20:38.559 --> 00:20:40.799 never want to see it. So just whatever. But if 321 00:20:40.839 --> 00:20:44.799 real researchers would get together and show like I did 322 00:20:44.839 --> 00:20:50.720 with me with Cain, my map forty fifty years to 323 00:20:50.839 --> 00:20:55.160 his map, and where I stopped, where I left off 324 00:20:55.519 --> 00:20:57.880 is where Kane left off when we started putting the 325 00:20:57.880 --> 00:21:01.119 maps together. Kane even said it all before idea. He's like, 326 00:21:01.680 --> 00:21:05.160 you look at the correlations there. We got we gotta 327 00:21:05.440 --> 00:21:10.039 route of travel for one end of Hawking County almost 328 00:21:10.079 --> 00:21:15.720 third of the other end, just by just getting together 329 00:21:16.640 --> 00:21:21.000 and just showing what we had. Uh. And like I said, 330 00:21:21.119 --> 00:21:27.920 if real researchers don't do that map all them questions 331 00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:30.480 that a lot of the people have questions of about 332 00:21:30.480 --> 00:21:34.839 Bigfoot and this, that and the other. Uh, that's why 333 00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:36.119 a reason a lot of us not going to be 334 00:21:36.119 --> 00:21:38.319 getting to be answered, because they're not going to get 335 00:21:38.359 --> 00:21:43.559 together and hopefully show correlations and territories and find roots 336 00:21:43.559 --> 00:21:44.079 of travel. 337 00:21:44.839 --> 00:21:47.680 You know, where do you think that reluctancy comes from? 338 00:21:47.720 --> 00:21:51.480 Why do researchers not want to share their material with 339 00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:52.079 one another? 340 00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:58.759 Well, because of you know how it is you want 341 00:21:58.799 --> 00:22:01.920 to try to keep a little series. Because anything anytime 342 00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:04.440 you open your mouth, next thing you know, you're either 343 00:22:04.480 --> 00:22:11.359 one you're being followed or two. Now your little honey 344 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:17.960 hole is commercialized. It's gone, such as a few a 345 00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:26.880 couple of places Aaron Hawking now once was a Christine 346 00:22:27.279 --> 00:22:35.119 is now littered. Man track torah, that bubble writing on 347 00:22:35.240 --> 00:22:40.400 the cliff edges, busted bottles off of falls, carvings into 348 00:22:40.720 --> 00:22:43.119 three hundred year old trees, four hundred year old trees, 349 00:22:43.279 --> 00:22:47.720 or initials. They don't have no respect. A lot of 350 00:22:47.759 --> 00:22:52.759 people don't have respect for something that I see. 351 00:22:52.920 --> 00:22:53.440 You know what I mean. 352 00:22:54.599 --> 00:22:59.039 Do you think the Bigfoot pick up on that lack 353 00:22:59.079 --> 00:22:59.720 of respect? 354 00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:01.039 Oh? 355 00:23:01.039 --> 00:23:06.119 I'm pretty sure they do. I mean it's like I 356 00:23:06.160 --> 00:23:09.519 tell people when they say, you know, when people ask, 357 00:23:09.559 --> 00:23:11.640 they say it was this bigfoot? You know, do they 358 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:14.200 bury their own? And I go, what you got to 359 00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:15.519 think about this? From about. 360 00:23:17.119 --> 00:23:17.359 Uh? 361 00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:20.960 Make foot's been around for quite a long time. The 362 00:23:22.319 --> 00:23:29.599 uh he has watched man kill man, man go back 363 00:23:31.039 --> 00:23:35.799 and bury man and watch man go back to pay 364 00:23:35.880 --> 00:23:42.759 homage to that person's Barrie right. Well, like I said, 365 00:23:43.319 --> 00:23:47.240 I'm not saying monkey see monkey do here. Uh, but 366 00:23:47.319 --> 00:23:53.039 they're very very intelligent and uh, and I know that 367 00:23:53.519 --> 00:23:57.240 you don't go out and track him. 368 00:23:57.799 --> 00:24:01.119 It just seems to me that a lot of researchers 369 00:24:01.200 --> 00:24:04.680 that have better luck for lack of a word for it, 370 00:24:05.200 --> 00:24:10.839 are the ones that are more respectful to nature and 371 00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:15.200 more grounded whenever it comes to nature. If that makes sense. 372 00:24:15.759 --> 00:24:20.759 Yeah, yeah, And again you're not going to really get 373 00:24:20.799 --> 00:24:24.640 anything if you're out there in the forest. Uh, you know, 374 00:24:27.240 --> 00:24:30.039 just off a little beaten trail there, you know, per 375 00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:33.880 se like the weekend warrior. Oh you know, I got 376 00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:35.359 the weekend off. I got you know, I can go 377 00:24:35.400 --> 00:24:41.559 out Saturday afternoon to Sunday. They gotta be working the morning. Okay, Well, 378 00:24:43.640 --> 00:24:47.960 the window there is very slim to get under to 379 00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:53.720 get anything. Now, if you if you really want to, 380 00:24:54.519 --> 00:24:57.519 if you really want to get something, I mean, have 381 00:24:57.559 --> 00:25:01.720 a better chance just about anybody. Uh, you're gonna have 382 00:25:01.720 --> 00:25:05.640 to be way out there. Let's just pick a spot. 383 00:25:05.880 --> 00:25:11.799 You know, hey, it's or international forest. And don't have 384 00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:19.400 no campfires, no lights, no smells, just your dry back 385 00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:23.720 of goodies you got inside your gilly suit and I 386 00:25:23.839 --> 00:25:26.359 usually pack of forty five. That's not for vig far anything. 387 00:25:26.440 --> 00:25:30.519 That's for crazy individuals. I'm nut you're running too out 388 00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:34.039 there in the forest that you know, some homeless person 389 00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:38.359 who claims he believes he owns the property type but 390 00:25:38.559 --> 00:25:42.799 dug in in the gilly and you're there two three 391 00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:49.480 days morning noon night morning noon night, morning night, and 392 00:25:49.559 --> 00:25:52.720 that's just the minimum. And normally just getting on the area, 393 00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:54.440 if you can get into a blind, get some bunks 394 00:25:54.480 --> 00:25:56.759 and this out and there do their old fancy thing, 395 00:25:57.279 --> 00:25:58.920 get in there, and you're gonna stay out there for 396 00:25:58.960 --> 00:26:06.519 two weeks, three weeks alone. That's uh, that's part near 397 00:26:06.519 --> 00:26:12.519 what it's going to take because the Bigfoot here. But 398 00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:17.119 I've noticed, uh, they move, they'll tear their little shelve 399 00:26:17.279 --> 00:26:19.359 of or lean to wherever they got, they'll tear it up. 400 00:26:20.440 --> 00:26:24.079 They move like every three to four days. They don't 401 00:26:24.119 --> 00:26:26.440 stand the same spot they moved in three four days. 402 00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:34.160 And when they move it could be a mile three miles. 403 00:26:34.559 --> 00:26:40.359 We're not location where nearder that ah. But yeah, they're 404 00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:45.079 not not really that far away out there because normally, 405 00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:48.160 you know, they the big Foot, he just when he 406 00:26:48.200 --> 00:26:54.119 picks areas where he's bedding or nesting uh ajen. When 407 00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:57.200 they get up, they just they just seem to know 408 00:26:57.480 --> 00:27:02.400 where to go to get what they need such as 409 00:27:02.440 --> 00:27:04.680 they know well, okay, well, you know, like they're saying 410 00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:07.720 there's three cornfields around, well they know that. Well I 411 00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:10.480 like the corn better than that corn where they know 412 00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:12.640 where to get that, or they go to the soybean field, 413 00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:20.000 or but looked like at one time I saw mid 414 00:27:20.079 --> 00:27:25.480 youth coming out of a cornfield and I thought it 415 00:27:25.519 --> 00:27:28.079 was sick. Hey, okay, Well they stood there kind of 416 00:27:28.119 --> 00:27:30.200 leaning one side and I leaned to the other, and they 417 00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:32.359 kind of slowly hunger down. They just went boom it 418 00:27:32.599 --> 00:27:35.359 just like like collapse. I went, wa what's going on? 419 00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:38.640 There was cool way across the field there and then uh. 420 00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:44.839 I waited there for I don't know, four hours better 421 00:27:45.440 --> 00:27:49.519 or more, and then uh they got up. I well, 422 00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:52.920 there it is. They didn't go anywhere, and I'm watching it. 423 00:27:53.279 --> 00:27:56.799 And as it walked, uh from that cornfield, just a 424 00:27:56.920 --> 00:27:59.359 short just a short piece right there in the woodline 425 00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:02.559 there on the edge of the cornfield. He went right 426 00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:08.400 in right or to this uh wald mustard patch and 427 00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:11.720 it was pulling them up from the bottle of stock, 428 00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:14.160 and it was running it. It wasn't need it. It 429 00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:18.839 was running its mouth across like sucking on it. And 430 00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:21.160 and it threw it down, and I'm like, well, what 431 00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:25.720 was this thing going? And then and then it pulled 432 00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:29.839 up maybe I don't know, ten twelve shoots maybe and 433 00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:34.839 uh and left. For the longest time. Mat I was like, 434 00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:38.880 what afar was he doing? What's the attributes of wald 435 00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:44.599 mustard here? And uh? And I guess it's off the 436 00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:47.440 charge on a lot of things on the planet itself. 437 00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:49.400 I go, well, but that's fine out but he wasn't 438 00:28:49.400 --> 00:28:54.160 needing them. And then when I found out that, uh, 439 00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:58.680 the aphids laid their edge under the leaves of the 440 00:28:58.720 --> 00:29:03.759 wald mustard plant, Matt huh. And I found I go, now, 441 00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:06.559 what's the what's the attributes of they hate it egg? 442 00:29:07.559 --> 00:29:10.160 And it contributes to if you bring it all down, 443 00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:14.880 it contributes all to intestinal purposes of curing intestinal problem. 444 00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:20.079 Oh. Something that people need to pay attention to for 445 00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:23.640 sure is medicinal properties of plants. 446 00:29:24.119 --> 00:29:29.000 Yeah. They they they know, uh, just like what we do. 447 00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:31.200 I mean, if you're calling me anything a nationalist or 448 00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:35.839 anything with a verbalist or anything going out there knowing 449 00:29:35.839 --> 00:29:40.680 the plant. But they know all medicinal plants to eat 450 00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:44.240 for just about anything all that, Like if if they're 451 00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:47.599 doing that then they do with plants and everything else. 452 00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:52.640 And uh yeah, so are you still actively going to 453 00:29:52.720 --> 00:29:53.839 the pit area? 454 00:29:54.880 --> 00:29:58.799 Uh not as much as uh I have wanted to 455 00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:08.759 at all, Matt, because again, uh it's gone. Uh that's 456 00:30:09.319 --> 00:30:14.680 one of the places. Uh that is gone now. Uh 457 00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:18.400 that I grew up as going to a kid, and 458 00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:21.440 it's tries, it's commercialized. 459 00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:24.039 It's no, there's nothing there in the. 460 00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:27.920 Morning, tons and tons and tons of people and then 461 00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:31.000 they've slapped out. Somebody went in there with one of 462 00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:34.480 them damn phones. Like, man, you know, I'm one of 463 00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:39.559 them type of people. I'm a dinosaur, Matt. I got 464 00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:42.640 an old flip phone, you know whatever. I don't even 465 00:30:42.640 --> 00:30:44.359 know how it turn a computer on. Man, don't even 466 00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:46.960 Hey don't even want them. I don't want that in 467 00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:51.319 my home. Uh. They went in there, want the phone. 468 00:30:51.400 --> 00:30:54.880 These things where they start stop picture replacement. All of sudden, 469 00:30:54.960 --> 00:31:01.279 videos popped up on YouTube, and now it went from 470 00:31:01.559 --> 00:31:03.599 just not even not even it used to be not 471 00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:07.720 even a way smaller than a deer path down in there. 472 00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:12.839 Now it's like a herd of elephants. The rock down there, 473 00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:20.000 it's gone. Yeah, yeah, it doesn't need a nature preserved 474 00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:22.359 here or four years ago or four years ago and 475 00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:26.079 opened to the public. So they open to the public. 476 00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:28.640 Now it's gone. It's gone. 477 00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:32.400 Is it because it just got open to the public 478 00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:36.400 and people just randomly went there? Or is it due 479 00:31:36.440 --> 00:31:40.759 to somebody you showed the place to exploiting it? 480 00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:45.440 No, it was because of the only place that ain't 481 00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:48.720 If you was driving on this road way way out 482 00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:52.079 the beating pat there on the old gravel road. Uh, 483 00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:55.680 if you weren't paying attention, you'd drive right by the drive. 484 00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:01.400 The only way that you knew that the pit was there, 485 00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:04.200 as if you was driving back the opposite direction and 486 00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:07.799 happened to be looking up on a hill to see 487 00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:12.440 a little diggy's high now and that's it. Other than that, 488 00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:14.839 if you're not paying a June drive right on by 489 00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:18.240 us as the parking lot on. I hold probably about 490 00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:23.599 four or five cars that got up. But now you 491 00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:31.319 go down there, Uh, there's cars line up down the road. Well, 492 00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:35.839 like I said, it's gone, and and like I said, 493 00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:41.160 it's and the stuff the stuff I had retrieved from 494 00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:47.359 their math all lord. Uh uh that's where you know 495 00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:54.039 I got my picture of the Bigfoot there. Yeah, and uh, 496 00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:57.960 I got a picture of the dog man there for 497 00:32:58.079 --> 00:33:04.839 whatever you want to call that, twitter h and another 498 00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:09.680 anomalies down there, And just like I said, weird things 499 00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:16.720 happened down there, uh in the pit. I've taken two 500 00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:20.839 gentlemen down there. One time on the we was walking along. 501 00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:24.440 We just got down to where you could get onto 502 00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:27.200 the path to walk around the fall, and there's a 503 00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:29.599 big tree to the fall in there, and as soon 504 00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:35.240 as we crossed it, the first guy went down. He's 505 00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:38.279 went on so ut man while and he boom, he 506 00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:41.079 went down and go what's going on? What's going And 507 00:33:41.119 --> 00:33:42.920 his buddy came by and he said, hey, what's going 508 00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:45.519 And I said, ooh, he feels the same way as 509 00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:49.279 buddy's starting to feel. So they're both setting down. I'm going, hey, 510 00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:54.359 what's going on there? I don't feel anything? Uh way, 511 00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:56.839 I just there. Let's get up there. We'll go back 512 00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:59.359 across that long and go back the other way. And 513 00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:01.519 as Senator got on the airs that log about I 514 00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:04.839 don't know about ten yards, it was like a light 515 00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:08.320 switch and they both looked at them as the original 516 00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:11.599 let's talking back that way tomorrow. Okay, okay, well we'll 517 00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:16.079 go back down the other way. I you know, stuff 518 00:34:16.119 --> 00:34:16.440 like that. 519 00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:18.480 And and then. 520 00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:23.760 We were filming one time. I did a shoot uh 521 00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:29.719 down in there, and uh. The person who was filming 522 00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:35.400 uh went with the this uh woman that we took 523 00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:39.400 down there with us up on this knool and they 524 00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:42.480 put their earphones on this rock and a bottle of 525 00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:46.400 water there. And at the time, we're all standing down 526 00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:51.760 around at the bottle there, and they're given an interview, 527 00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:55.440 and when they're done, thinking back down and he's like, hey, know, 528 00:34:55.480 --> 00:34:56.559 where's my earphones at? 529 00:34:56.800 --> 00:34:58.559 Well, I don't know where's my bottle of water? 530 00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:02.199 I don't know. We didn't have And the next thing, 531 00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:05.960 you know, we're all scattered out looking for it. And 532 00:35:06.000 --> 00:35:08.440 when we go back and we go back to the area, 533 00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:13.599 there's a golden plastic coin on a rock where the 534 00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:19.239 earphones in the water bottle was setting. That went missing, okay. 535 00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:25.000 So and as we're walking around down there, I look 536 00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:33.159 for it, we find a a bigfoot track. So we're 537 00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:34.880 that there. We cast a big foot track. 538 00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:36.599 We got done. 539 00:35:38.079 --> 00:35:40.639 And then also after we scooped the area out, we're 540 00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:45.639 ready to leave. I pay attention, you know, to everything, 541 00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:48.800 you know, to what everybody's usually carrying in going out, 542 00:35:48.800 --> 00:35:52.280 you know, Uh, the living and I look back at 543 00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:55.079 everybody was down there, and I kind of looked out 544 00:35:55.079 --> 00:36:00.280 and said, hey, where's that track at oh oh the game? 545 00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:01.800 It was down there on the on the list down there, 546 00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:05.400 and him and the woman went down to go retrieve it. 547 00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:12.239 And we're standing in there waiting and they're hollering down 548 00:36:12.280 --> 00:36:15.480 in his hand, you know, hey, uh, well, what's going 549 00:36:15.519 --> 00:36:20.039 on here? And at the time, I'm going a lot now, Well, 550 00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:24.280 where he left the track, I had to go pick 551 00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:24.639 it up. 552 00:36:24.840 --> 00:36:27.039 It was missing and there. 553 00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:32.960 Was two plastic gold coins there on the rock. And 554 00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:34.719 when they was looking around and looked around, they found 555 00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:38.800 the big foot track, uh high up on the cliff edge. 556 00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:44.519 They had to climb out and get it. And it's like, okay, uh, 557 00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:52.039 you know, just weird, uh weird. I can't there's a 558 00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:57.760 hard to explain. I need look at anybody else. And 559 00:36:57.800 --> 00:36:59.519 then this one lady said that she was kind of 560 00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:05.239 a you know, medium whatever. Uh. She got down as 561 00:37:05.239 --> 00:37:11.159 far as to wherey uh first to go around the 562 00:37:11.199 --> 00:37:14.599 polls on the top, and she didn't want to go 563 00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:18.599 any part. She got that spot and she wanted to go. 564 00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:22.920 He didn't even go in their match seat. Uh. Look, 565 00:37:23.039 --> 00:37:27.639 she got the red feeling all over, and she said, 566 00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:33.519 oh uh, this was bad, bad I got I want 567 00:37:33.519 --> 00:37:36.559 to leave, Okay, she doesn't want to leave, okay, whatever, 568 00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:39.639 and she left. I had to walk her all the 569 00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:43.239 way back there. And so as soon as you went, 570 00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:46.400 she left, never heard a word from her again. So 571 00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:49.159 I don't you know, I'm not no medium or I 572 00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:52.639 know this, and I've never seen no portals. I don't 573 00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:55.440 seeing all that or nothing this. You know, I see 574 00:37:55.480 --> 00:38:01.119 what I see and and if I have the moment 575 00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:08.159 in time on me, the capture that in an instant 576 00:38:08.199 --> 00:38:11.800 Because I tell people I go, take your phone out 577 00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:15.719 and put it in your pocket, get it ready, okay, 578 00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:18.760 And they're like okay, and I go, well, I count 579 00:38:19.239 --> 00:38:21.599 the three. I want you to whip that thing up 580 00:38:21.800 --> 00:38:25.760 and say I got it. I mean you took a picture. 581 00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:29.440 And I go, okay, I got ready, I got the 582 00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:31.480 three go and I went. 583 00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:33.800 On thousand and one, one thousand, two thousand and three, 584 00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:37.800 I got I go. 585 00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:43.760 You got less than five seconds to get that picture. 586 00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:49.559 Over three seconds. If you don't down there have a 587 00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:53.199 go pro around your cranial head walking through the forest 588 00:38:53.199 --> 00:38:54.679 and you say, hey, I thought I saw something. Well 589 00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:59.159 that camera did Okay, if you're trying to get it, 590 00:38:59.239 --> 00:39:01.079 gonna snop your went back camera and you're going to 591 00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:04.199 you're going to be nine nine percent unsuccessful. 592 00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:10.800 Now, have you ever felt any weird feelings or experiencing 593 00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:15.000 anything strange on your own down in that area specifically? 594 00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:22.239 Uh? Yeah, that's that has to be on another show probably, Uh, 595 00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:25.760 because I have some weird other stuff like that happened 596 00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:29.559 out there at our cabin well such of course, you know, Uh, 597 00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:33.159 I got the video of that dog man critter thing 598 00:39:33.440 --> 00:39:39.679 coming to our front door of our cab. I'm at 599 00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:44.639 the beat's coming up through there. So, like I said, 600 00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:49.719 I I just got I really didn't. I didn't really 601 00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:52.199 want this stuff out in the public the beginning because 602 00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:54.320 I told my wife. I said, no, no, no, no, 603 00:39:54.360 --> 00:40:01.039 my wife, but uh that I have no Diana. She 604 00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:05.639 didn't know I did bigfoot until about two six years 605 00:40:05.639 --> 00:40:12.880 after we were married. I never told anybody, even even I. 606 00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:18.800 You know, I'm a professional retired percussionist, and uh, any 607 00:40:18.880 --> 00:40:22.800 of my bandmates, Uh, anybody school people I grew up 608 00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:23.360 in school. 609 00:40:23.679 --> 00:40:25.159 Uh nobody. 610 00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:31.599 It was just me and Rusty stuff. And uh the 611 00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:34.400 next thing, you know, you know, Rusty passed and uh, 612 00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:38.559 I'm still going and uh and this wasn't meant for 613 00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:41.199 the public. This has just meant for me. And now 614 00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:43.440 you know my wife and you know, if the grandkids 615 00:40:43.480 --> 00:40:47.039 you know want to they you know, pop off with you. 616 00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:49.079 You know what you capture this timeald, I don't know, 617 00:40:49.119 --> 00:40:54.760 we never captured on anything, but when we do, I 618 00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:57.320 want to make sure, you know, when I hit that picture, 619 00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:01.719 that is, if I ever get the chance, and when 620 00:41:01.800 --> 00:41:07.719 I get the chances to to the conditions, I want 621 00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:11.039 to make sure that I can show my wife. She 622 00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:13.519 can say, oh, yeah, well you can see something big 623 00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:16.400 standing there. You know, it's a HUMANO type big or 624 00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:19.000 you know, or you can see his thumb or his 625 00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:23.280 fingers are standing over there too, or for instance, like 626 00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:31.960 the best one, the best, uh video that I've ever captured, 627 00:41:33.760 --> 00:41:38.360 And I really wasn't. I was actually wasn't expecting him, 628 00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:42.880 but you know I got him. And but again, at 629 00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:45.800 the same time, I went on an investigation and the 630 00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:48.119 one gentleman in his adies said that he saw a 631 00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:50.360 big butt. It was big and tall and black, and 632 00:41:50.400 --> 00:41:52.679 it was bigger than his corn crib when he went 633 00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:57.000 around his down around his barn down there and the 634 00:41:57.079 --> 00:41:59.280 other gentleman, which was his friend, which has been around 635 00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:02.159 the same age, said he had a critter but he 636 00:42:02.199 --> 00:42:04.000 didn't see it, but he heard it, and he said 637 00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:11.360 it sounded like a whole sire. I got really okay, 638 00:42:12.320 --> 00:42:14.559 I go out, I go. Maybe it was a sire 639 00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:16.239 and you heard old mammy you didn't turn your belt 640 00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:19.199 tones up. Because the only sired that I know, the 641 00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:21.559 only sired I know I've ever heard of, was, uh, 642 00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:26.719 the Howe Hower. Uh. I guess in ninety three they 643 00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:29.599 got a recording of this critter. Uh they called the 644 00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:33.440 Ohio Hower. Only call him once. You can hear the 645 00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:35.760 dog bark and then you hear it. Call you hear 646 00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:37.599 a dog bark and hear a call. It's playing on 647 00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:42.079 a loop and they're saying that's historical. And I'm like, okay, 648 00:42:42.280 --> 00:42:48.480 really okay, I said, uh uh Well, on that investigation, 649 00:42:48.559 --> 00:42:50.079 I told you about the two of the men, one 650 00:42:50.239 --> 00:42:52.639 with Howland. Well, I went to his place and did 651 00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:56.960 the investigation in a gilly suit and a at the 652 00:42:57.039 --> 00:43:01.800 end of January, going into February, freezing rain at seven 653 00:43:02.079 --> 00:43:10.519 ten am in the morning, uh, live on camera ten 654 00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:12.760 feet in front of me, I'm laying I'm laying on 655 00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:17.679 this buyer ticket and the ticket stair and ship, and 656 00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:21.760 I'm laying on this knoll, and ten feet in front 657 00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:24.920 of me is an eight foot drop off ledger like 658 00:43:25.320 --> 00:43:26.880 a big, big a walk. 659 00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:27.400 Uh. 660 00:43:28.599 --> 00:43:31.280 I got a curve on the hill, a lean out 661 00:43:31.800 --> 00:43:34.760 down around all the way down to the battle of 662 00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:40.239 that big hill down at the old farmhouse. And I'm 663 00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:43.360 laying there in the gilly and you know, I've been 664 00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:45.079 there a day and a half and I'm like, uh, 665 00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:50.159 now I'm looking for a bug out here. After after a bit, 666 00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:53.239 I'm gonna get in case here and pleasing right here. 667 00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:57.760 And and then I heard it. I heard something common. 668 00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:01.280 I'm going, Oh, you gotta be kidding me. I said, Oh, 669 00:44:01.400 --> 00:44:04.559 it couldn't happen better. And uh, I can hear this 670 00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:09.440 thing coming, and man, this is gonna try. I'm gonna 671 00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:14.840 get I'm gonna get the clearest video of this beast 672 00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:19.760 to uh cover And and I was strained in my 673 00:44:19.800 --> 00:44:23.000 eyes to look back to the right to see it coming. 674 00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:26.840 And and when I saw it, my heart is just 675 00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:30.159 it went from beating fast because I was waiting, wanting 676 00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:33.639 the big Foot, and then I went really totally to 677 00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:39.639 like a dread, like a huge dread, feeling like a 678 00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:42.719 all shut because I knew exactly what this thing was 679 00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:51.079 due to what history says he is. And that's uh. 680 00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:56.400 They call him the howler, uh due to wagon train 681 00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:01.199 back in the day uh of their manifest At the 682 00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:05.440 end of this wagon train, these people got attacked. This 683 00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:09.280 thing jumped off the hill and attacked the person and 684 00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:11.800 they beat it off, tried to beat off the rocks 685 00:45:11.880 --> 00:45:16.679 or whatever, and and they said, they said, oh, it's 686 00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:18.719 the Bigfoot. And they said no, they must have seen 687 00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:20.599 a bigfoot math at the time or must have known 688 00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:23.480 about him, because they said it was not a big foot. 689 00:45:24.679 --> 00:45:29.639 They said it was a giant, multi colored hairy man. 690 00:45:32.119 --> 00:45:39.440 And that's exactly well. I captured on film ten feet 691 00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:44.400 in front of me, standing on an eight foot ledger. 692 00:45:44.519 --> 00:45:48.079 And here's the thing, mat. When it came around that 693 00:45:48.199 --> 00:45:52.280 old helmdo bellard way down there. And when he did, 694 00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:56.480 he took almost and he stopped right in front of me. 695 00:45:57.320 --> 00:46:00.400 But he's not he's looking I'm laying straight. He's looking 696 00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:05.159 straight ahead. And if you're like somebody walking sideways past you, 697 00:46:05.239 --> 00:46:08.840 but he's kind of turned where if he looked in 698 00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:10.400 his eyes and if I was sitting there. He could 699 00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:13.440 see me tight and he stopped right in front of me. 700 00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:18.880 Now he got a figure that's an eight foot drop 701 00:46:18.920 --> 00:46:20.840 off leedsure. I got at least four foot of this 702 00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:26.559 critter above ground, so you're looking at less seven twelve 703 00:46:26.599 --> 00:46:29.679 foot here. And like I said, people believe me or not. 704 00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:33.760 I got a live video of this critter. He's got 705 00:46:33.760 --> 00:46:37.800 a dark clay face and his hairs it blends with 706 00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:42.639 everything the forest era He's got all the collars of 707 00:46:42.679 --> 00:46:45.800 the ball leads to all the collars in him. I've 708 00:46:45.840 --> 00:46:50.360 never you know, I want to disable veteran and I've 709 00:46:50.440 --> 00:46:54.039 been three quarters around the world here and I've never 710 00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:58.199 ever man seen a hair on a crater like that 711 00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:04.360 my entire life. I never That's just when the when 712 00:47:04.360 --> 00:47:07.880 the clouds went over the sun, he went. It was 713 00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:11.639 like looking at a collar movie and then switch it 714 00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:15.760 to black and white. He blended with all the dark sticks, 715 00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:19.159 the twigs, some dark bullis. It was rotten, just black, 716 00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:23.400 just everything. As soon as that file went away from 717 00:47:23.400 --> 00:47:26.000 the sun, I lit up like a blight ball of 718 00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:28.159 multi collars. 719 00:47:27.760 --> 00:47:32.280 But but about an inch uh at the end of. 720 00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:35.800 His hair, it was translucent. You could see through it 721 00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:39.719 and here was the word part of it. I kept 722 00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:43.320 hearing this noise, like what was the noise is? You know, 723 00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:48.320 like a instant sound or some shitn't I And I'm like, 724 00:47:48.320 --> 00:47:51.840 what is that noise? Though? And here I found I was. 725 00:47:51.960 --> 00:47:57.320 I saw his lip move and uh, and this thing 726 00:47:57.440 --> 00:48:04.199 was sucking air through his teeth like he's hasting the air. Yeah, 727 00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:08.760 it's just not breathing, but he just like sucking air 728 00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:11.920 through his teeth tasted and the whole time, you know, 729 00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:14.920 I'm trying not even to you know, he breathed like them. 730 00:48:15.360 --> 00:48:17.639 You know, I'm not going to mean these lost engine 731 00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:22.079 here on. Uh. And the back bar was he uh 732 00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:27.239 he stood there over three hours and burnt the tape up. 733 00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:33.239 It's like a stone statue and that hound all down 734 00:48:33.280 --> 00:48:38.960 their barreling. Uh. He just crose like a statue and 735 00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:40.800 he was just suck, like I said, sucking air to 736 00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:42.599 I don't know if he's tasting the air for that 737 00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:46.559 crater for the houndhog, I don't know. Well he was, 738 00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:50.679 that's what he was doing. Uh. Never see anything like it. 739 00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:51.840 I was just like I was, I was. 740 00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:53.199 Praying for this thing to get going. 741 00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:56.280 But I was like I met what but I was 742 00:48:56.280 --> 00:49:00.239 if I got to drop on his ass, Paul me 743 00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:05.159 right in the hillside, I've just oh yeah, I'd have 744 00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:07.519 ended up Like my wife said, well you got what 745 00:49:07.599 --> 00:49:09.480 you got, You ended up on that milk carten. 746 00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:16.119 Yeah, and you say the wagon train. Ledger described this 747 00:49:16.239 --> 00:49:18.119 as something different than a bigfoot. 748 00:49:18.440 --> 00:49:22.000 Correct. They said it was not a big book is 749 00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:28.559 uh uh? And these are regis from eighteen forties. Uh uh, 750 00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:35.960 eighteen seventies of them. Uh they there's that's the only account. 751 00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:40.199 And then I'm like, I'm thinking, okay, well if they so, 752 00:49:40.840 --> 00:49:45.400 if they so cooke hole, if the hole howler, uh 753 00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:50.880 that how is, if it's a historic then what would 754 00:49:50.880 --> 00:49:54.880 a live video be of this critter? And on my 755 00:49:54.960 --> 00:49:57.920 way back from the National Forest out there, I was 756 00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:03.119 coming back and I also not all was freaked out 757 00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:07.360 at first. I want the hell is back. I heard 758 00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:10.719 a siren, I mean the in the National Force, Okay, 759 00:50:11.400 --> 00:50:14.079 and you can hear it beller, not one, not two, 760 00:50:14.960 --> 00:50:18.800 three of them calling and I captured that on audio. 761 00:50:20.159 --> 00:50:25.760 But it's just uh, I'm like wow and uh, I 762 00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:33.519 just unbelievable. But again, you know, uh it matches exactly 763 00:50:33.599 --> 00:50:37.840 to the one that uh their recording in ninety three. 764 00:50:38.320 --> 00:50:42.800 Yeah, what kind of vocalizations do you typically hear? 765 00:50:44.599 --> 00:50:50.119 Well, really, uh unless they're calling a wooden name out there, 766 00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:53.760 a bigfoot like a tone or something, which is you know, 767 00:50:53.880 --> 00:51:02.119 kind of rare to get uh uh. I just don't uh, well, 768 00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:07.400 we think you heard any weird calls uh uh or 769 00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:15.920 the only thing I've heard, Matt was long growls uh, 770 00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:22.400 I mean long deep off the chart I got. I 771 00:51:22.480 --> 00:51:28.840 got some recordings I'll send to you, these growls. I've 772 00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:30.880 been wanting to know what the DV is because everything 773 00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:32.480 that I put it on where you can see, like 774 00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:35.559 on an equ where you can see the trouble, how 775 00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:38.320 high it goes and how low the base goes. He 776 00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:42.000 just smacks to the bottle and stays there. It's just 777 00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:47.119 it's uh. And I asked Hansy, did you check it out? 778 00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:49.760 And he said yeah, he whoa, He said, Man, I 779 00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:53.320 ain't gonna any measure that I went to the ball, okay. Uh. 780 00:51:53.559 --> 00:52:00.719 But the growls Matt uh or anywhere from it's like 781 00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:03.320 what I call like a growl talking, because that's what 782 00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:08.360 it seems like they're doing. When I captured some growlser 783 00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:14.000 uh seven to eight seconds some of them are fifteen 784 00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:20.119 seconds and some are twenty seven seconds. Yeah, and they 785 00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:24.679 are off the chart. They'll growl in the mid some 786 00:52:24.760 --> 00:52:26.840 of them go up a little bit in their tone 787 00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:29.840 and then just drop right down off to the face 788 00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:32.280 of the earth to this growl. It's just uh and 789 00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:37.000 just they just blow the speakers. It's just h Yeah. 790 00:52:37.639 --> 00:52:42.719 I've got several recordings of that because they came right 791 00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:47.679 up that time to our cabin and in the winter, 792 00:52:48.239 --> 00:52:53.880 and and I had a truck driver Jeff there or 793 00:52:54.039 --> 00:52:58.320 Eric was there, and he just came in from Colorado 794 00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:01.760 or I think Denver, I mean, had Denver something that 795 00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:03.960 And then he came in. He goes, there is is 796 00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:07.280 that drink it? Uh? I got your trainer from the Dakotas. Yeah, 797 00:53:07.280 --> 00:53:09.039 the Dakotas. And he talked to me and I said, 798 00:53:09.079 --> 00:53:12.159 I thanks, and uh he said, well I got to 799 00:53:12.199 --> 00:53:16.199 keep going. Over Mad said, gets up unpacked and at 800 00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:20.360 the time, I have my camera, uh going or not going, 801 00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:23.000 but I have my camera in the other room. And uh, 802 00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:29.079 the end of this growl hit. Oh, it was priceless. 803 00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:33.880 He stove and snapped up like Barney Pine and balls 804 00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:39.519 pop and looking at me, going, what the hell, and 805 00:53:39.519 --> 00:53:43.159 then another one burst. I go, stay right here, stay here, 806 00:53:43.280 --> 00:53:44.840 and I ran in the other room. I got the 807 00:53:44.840 --> 00:53:47.880 camera and I and I put it up toward the door. 808 00:53:48.199 --> 00:53:51.360 The door was the glass doors open, and I put 809 00:53:51.400 --> 00:53:53.639 the hit record and I ran back to the other room. 810 00:53:54.239 --> 00:53:56.400 And by that time, man he was like almost a 811 00:53:56.480 --> 00:54:00.000 different shade. I said, man, just sitting and he's like, 812 00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:02.239 what the rids are? A man? Just sit down? 813 00:54:02.880 --> 00:54:03.000 Up? 814 00:54:03.679 --> 00:54:06.880 And I go he is. I told himp, it's a 815 00:54:06.920 --> 00:54:09.079 big foot out there, probably a no it sound like 816 00:54:09.079 --> 00:54:09.360 a dog. 817 00:54:09.400 --> 00:54:10.679 Man growls it's a big foot. 818 00:54:11.320 --> 00:54:14.360 And he he's just he couldn't believe it. He's just 819 00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:17.079 in total shock. And the whole time, no time, I 820 00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:19.920 snapped my fingers like shut up, shop, shut up, let's 821 00:54:19.960 --> 00:54:23.599 do it. I need to record this. And uh yeah, 822 00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:27.000 playing his day and uh when it was over with, 823 00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:31.679 uh so he spent the night in the chair, he 824 00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:34.440 didn't go outside, and the next day he went over 825 00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:37.639 he and he didn't stay the weekend and he went 826 00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:42.880 and he left to go back home. So uh yeah, 827 00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:47.800 uh unbelievable. And then i've uh, like I said, I 828 00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:52.679 captured a uh some type of what would you call 829 00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:58.599 that guy? You've heard it moaning how at whatever it is? Uh, 830 00:54:59.039 --> 00:55:02.400 this wall wool, a small of coyote. It's not this 831 00:55:03.400 --> 00:55:04.320 that dread. 832 00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:09.840 Have any explanations that on what you call that? 833 00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:13.360 And we're talking about days a hunter he deer home 834 00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:17.800 and he know he's out there. And and like I said, 835 00:55:17.880 --> 00:55:22.159 and I've had uh, I've had other people hear it 836 00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:26.599 and uh and I one person referred to uh in 837 00:55:26.719 --> 00:55:29.159 a DP that told me that they call it not 838 00:55:29.480 --> 00:55:35.480 I'll get ready for this, they said, or one one 839 00:55:35.480 --> 00:55:41.480 one said, uh, yeah, they call it the suffering. I 840 00:55:41.559 --> 00:55:45.480 want to excuse me, Well, then I want something something 841 00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:47.760 howling out there waring it is a you know, moaning? 842 00:55:47.840 --> 00:55:50.360 Is that? And he cas know me revert to something 843 00:55:50.679 --> 00:55:54.880 I call uh Uh the suffering is where they said, 844 00:55:56.320 --> 00:56:01.239 where the dog man is changing from men to that 845 00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:05.000 or from that back to man they called. That's what 846 00:56:05.079 --> 00:56:05.559 they call it. 847 00:56:06.679 --> 00:56:07.320 That's creepy. 848 00:56:08.000 --> 00:56:11.559 Yeah, that's kind of well. I'm not gonna roar anything 849 00:56:11.559 --> 00:56:12.199 out uh. 850 00:56:14.679 --> 00:56:14.840 Uh. 851 00:56:15.480 --> 00:56:17.239 Like I said, I can show you the pictures of 852 00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:22.639 that one dog thing cruiter that I captured down there 853 00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:27.880 in the pit. Uh. That's thirty yards or less from me. 854 00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:31.559 I didn't know he's there. I just heard something behind me, 855 00:56:31.599 --> 00:56:34.840 and I kept looking back and I didn't see any 856 00:56:34.880 --> 00:56:37.639 because I was kneeled down for one and uh, I 857 00:56:37.679 --> 00:56:42.039 was looking at the bank. Uh, and and it just 858 00:56:42.119 --> 00:56:43.840 kept making the noise. Turned around, looking out and there. 859 00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:45.559 And then all of a sudden, I thought, Okay, well, 860 00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:47.800 I'm gonna turn my tablet on and then I'm going 861 00:56:47.880 --> 00:56:48.960 to put it in front of me and when I 862 00:56:49.000 --> 00:56:51.840 stand up, I'll turn around and I'll just take a 863 00:56:51.840 --> 00:56:55.239 picture or whatever's over there. So when I did, I 864 00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:59.719 turned around, stop a picture. And I wasn't even paying attention. 865 00:57:00.159 --> 00:57:02.280 Looked at the left. I was looking straight ahead that 866 00:57:02.719 --> 00:57:05.440 as I snapped a picture, I looked immediately there I 867 00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:10.360 saw it. He's standing right there looking at me. Uh. 868 00:57:11.719 --> 00:57:15.800 They Uh, at least that was seven and a half 869 00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:19.559 feet I was eight wide hand only big muscle, big 870 00:57:19.599 --> 00:57:21.599 white muzzle on this one. Not like the one at 871 00:57:21.599 --> 00:57:23.599 the cabin. The other one of the cabin, he was 872 00:57:23.639 --> 00:57:28.000 a little smaller head and uh, smaller muddle. This one 873 00:57:28.000 --> 00:57:31.000 here a bigger head, big white muzzle on him. 874 00:57:31.599 --> 00:57:34.119 You mentioned like you've been going to the pit your 875 00:57:34.280 --> 00:57:38.320 entire life, or had been. Yeah, And these things started 876 00:57:38.360 --> 00:57:40.119 showing up there six or seven years ago. 877 00:57:42.079 --> 00:57:46.880 Yes, well, I mean six or seven years ago. It 878 00:57:47.000 --> 00:57:53.000 wasn't uh commercialized, it was just it was just at 879 00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:57.840 the brink of Uh. There was getting stragglers here and there. 880 00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:01.559 You know, a couple more cars than usual that were there, 881 00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:04.320 you know, and uh, you know when they leave, we 882 00:58:04.519 --> 00:58:06.840 go in and usually it's just somebody going in there, 883 00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:08.920 and they got their kid with them and they're just 884 00:58:08.920 --> 00:58:12.079 taking the hike down and going to the balls and out. Uh. 885 00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:18.320 But no, you get down there and uh you you 886 00:58:18.440 --> 00:58:21.320 really didn't know what she was going to find, Matt. 887 00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:28.280 Uh So I've seen things I couldn't I wish, I 888 00:58:28.599 --> 00:58:30.679 wish I a bored them at the time. 889 00:58:31.159 --> 00:58:31.320 Uh. 890 00:58:31.360 --> 00:58:34.599 But uh, when you don't have the stuff with you 891 00:58:35.679 --> 00:58:36.320 at the time. 892 00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:40.480 I mean, where did these uh I mean we're just 893 00:58:40.480 --> 00:58:43.639 gonna call them dog men. Where did they come from? 894 00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:45.519 I mean, why did they just start showing up? 895 00:58:46.880 --> 00:58:50.239 I don't know, Matt. And here's the thing. I'm a 896 00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:56.679 professional tracker, and uh, I'm like, uh, I'm looking for, 897 00:58:57.599 --> 00:59:01.559 uh scouring for any type of a den any type 898 00:59:01.559 --> 00:59:05.320 of thing that could make even under leaves, anything anything 899 00:59:05.559 --> 00:59:08.559 any place under the rocks, under this, under that, under 900 00:59:08.559 --> 00:59:12.000 falling logs, roden to breede, just every place, and I 901 00:59:12.039 --> 00:59:18.199 have not seen anything. Oh when it comes to a 902 00:59:18.280 --> 00:59:23.480 dog man structure, dog man den, dog man nest, I 903 00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:28.280 have not run across I have or tracks of this critter, 904 00:59:29.000 --> 00:59:33.599 this dog man thing. Yeah, I'm kind of glad it 905 00:59:33.639 --> 00:59:35.760 wasn't in the area when I was. But and then again, 906 00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:39.119 there's one in the area. When I was in the 907 00:59:39.159 --> 00:59:40.800 area and I got a picture, I was like, I 908 00:59:40.840 --> 00:59:49.480 don't understand. Why don't an attack because when you see 909 00:59:49.480 --> 00:59:55.039 this critter, you can tell right off the bat he 910 00:59:55.159 --> 00:59:57.159 sure as hell ain't no fruit nut and berry eater, 911 00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:06.239 teen hunter, uh stalker? Yeah, uh yeah and uh And 912 01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:08.280 then like I said, when I saw it, I like, 913 01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:12.800 oh ship here comes. I just turned and I squatted down, 914 01:00:12.880 --> 01:00:15.639 put my tablet down, and I just put my handle 915 01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:19.199 on my boy. Uh. Every time it's gonna be it's 916 01:00:19.239 --> 01:00:22.719 gonna road bide. Uh, my wife's gonna be past. And 917 01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:26.119 uh that's all they thought that I had. And uh, 918 01:00:26.239 --> 01:00:30.320 besides my heart rate, you know, fall out the old warfice, 919 01:00:30.519 --> 01:00:31.119 you know what I mean. 920 01:00:32.119 --> 01:00:33.440 Yeah, so. 921 01:00:35.039 --> 01:00:38.119 What do you do if you ain't gonna run? Come 922 01:00:38.239 --> 01:00:42.239 you good? But that's just showing sport why bring it 923 01:00:42.320 --> 01:00:46.039 on you quicker for violence? You know what I mean? 924 01:00:46.119 --> 01:00:49.199 But uh, but I don't show fear like most fellers 925 01:00:49.199 --> 01:00:55.280 out there, uh, because I think that's one thing that 926 01:00:55.360 --> 01:00:57.840 he was, because he's one of them out there. Every 927 01:00:57.920 --> 01:00:59.880 now they tipped their head, they take a snip here 928 01:00:59.880 --> 01:01:02.679 and there. I think I was trying to smell for 929 01:01:02.679 --> 01:01:05.159 a paramoe. Maybe I don't know. I'm not saying to 930 01:01:05.239 --> 01:01:07.599 do or not, but that's what he did. And then 931 01:01:08.400 --> 01:01:11.519 and then when I slowly turned to get stand up, 932 01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:16.079 I mean again, like my life was standing up, turning 933 01:01:16.159 --> 01:01:21.360 to see where if he's binding and nothing, he's gone. 934 01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:24.719 There's no you could see where he was standing over there, 935 01:01:24.760 --> 01:01:28.320 but you know, mattered around, but there's no track, and 936 01:01:28.440 --> 01:01:31.239 where do the hell did he go to? He didn't 937 01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:35.880 run out there, and that's ally. But I don't leap 938 01:01:35.960 --> 01:01:38.280 up thirty five forty foot when you say that's by 939 01:01:38.360 --> 01:01:43.639 oh highlight there thirty five forty fuck at least that's 940 01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:46.960 on the way out. I say, on the way out, 941 01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:52.800 how to be by me or straight up my cliff? Right? 942 01:01:53.679 --> 01:01:55.960 But I didn't hear nothing. I didn't hear it jump 943 01:01:56.280 --> 01:01:58.639 and hear it in the woods. I hear nothing take 944 01:01:58.679 --> 01:02:02.719 off and it's just like, uh, you know, it was 945 01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:05.960 like the bigfoot I got once I heard it heard, 946 01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:10.920 you know, UH heard it and uh next thing, you know, 947 01:02:11.440 --> 01:02:14.320 uh something much as spoot him because you can hear it. 948 01:02:14.440 --> 01:02:17.480 You hear to leave crackling, and the sticks you can 949 01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:21.639 hear it. And uh and then he must have got 950 01:02:21.800 --> 01:02:26.000 worded about something because one it uh started to take 951 01:02:26.039 --> 01:02:30.400 off again. It's like he wanted a stealth mode more. 952 01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:32.719 There ain't no more sticks and sniper and there ain't 953 01:02:32.719 --> 01:02:39.079 no more an noise and uh yeah, I think I 954 01:02:39.119 --> 01:02:40.599 don't know, and the and the and the and they 955 01:02:40.639 --> 01:02:48.360 walk I saw uh on this uh uh medium like 956 01:02:48.400 --> 01:02:56.679 a small little uh ridge no call height maybe uh 957 01:02:57.679 --> 01:03:00.679 forty ft tall, okay, Uh. I come up on that 958 01:03:01.320 --> 01:03:05.079 and beyond it there's just an on their side. There's 959 01:03:05.119 --> 01:03:09.719 a little uh valley there and another bigger hill on 960 01:03:09.760 --> 01:03:12.400 the other side of me front. Well, I stayed there 961 01:03:12.639 --> 01:03:15.119 and for a long time, and then all of a 962 01:03:15.119 --> 01:03:20.760 sudden they're coming youth amid youth. Uh. He was just 963 01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:23.960 come over and he was walking along the side and 964 01:03:23.960 --> 01:03:27.280 and the thing is he was walking on the side 965 01:03:27.320 --> 01:03:30.800 of this hill that like he was walking on the 966 01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:33.480 sidewalk if that makes any sense. 967 01:03:34.199 --> 01:03:36.719 Yeah, like around the curve of the hill. 968 01:03:37.280 --> 01:03:40.920 Yeah, he wasn't leaning into it. He's like, he's walking 969 01:03:40.960 --> 01:03:44.679 straight up and and and it wasn't and when he 970 01:03:44.800 --> 01:03:47.400 walked it ain't know like uh, you know Diddley bought 971 01:03:47.480 --> 01:03:49.000 back on the block type thing, you know, where his 972 01:03:49.039 --> 01:03:51.760 head bobbing up and down. I know, it was just 973 01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:59.679 like gracefully, like graceful, just smooth going until he stopped 974 01:04:00.719 --> 01:04:03.079 because he saw something on the other side of where 975 01:04:03.159 --> 01:04:05.760 he was at on that knoll. And I'm like, what's 976 01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:08.079 he looking at? Because and I'm really freaking out because 977 01:04:08.119 --> 01:04:11.519 I'm looking at him and that's looking at something, and 978 01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:13.800 I'm like, what are you looking at? And uh and 979 01:04:13.840 --> 01:04:16.639 then uh, right, when like I said, when he when 980 01:04:16.639 --> 01:04:19.119 he walked, when he turned is what was the most 981 01:04:19.199 --> 01:04:24.159 unique thing of all. It was like a like a 982 01:04:24.199 --> 01:04:28.119 tank turret. When he was walking straight, like I told you, 983 01:04:29.599 --> 01:04:33.679 his his top half turned and then his bottom half 984 01:04:33.679 --> 01:04:34.559 turn if that makes me. 985 01:04:34.639 --> 01:04:39.079 Sound yes, yes, I mean. 986 01:04:39.000 --> 01:04:42.519 Almost like a ninety degree and it's just like his 987 01:04:42.559 --> 01:04:45.159 top half turned in his right his bottom caught up 988 01:04:45.159 --> 01:04:48.360 with it like turned like a turret. And and he 989 01:04:48.480 --> 01:04:52.559 stopped and Uh. And then when it bolted, it looked 990 01:04:52.599 --> 01:04:56.320 like he ran straight through the knoll instead of over it, 991 01:04:56.519 --> 01:04:59.400 If that makes any sense. This is weird. It was 992 01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:03.519 so little, like lightning said, like there he went only ship? Uh, 993 01:05:03.920 --> 01:05:06.159 where do you go? Uh? And I kept looking to 994 01:05:06.199 --> 01:05:09.400 the left, I kept looking to the right. I looked 995 01:05:09.400 --> 01:05:11.199 at the left again, just anything. When I looked back 996 01:05:11.239 --> 01:05:14.239 to the right, there he was all the way way 997 01:05:14.280 --> 01:05:16.880 down there and he got a deer and he had 998 01:05:16.920 --> 01:05:18.280 it on the short and it was and it was 999 01:05:18.320 --> 01:05:18.760 booking it. 1000 01:05:19.239 --> 01:05:19.559 Uh. 1001 01:05:19.920 --> 01:05:23.440 Did the right way down there along the creek and uh. 1002 01:05:24.360 --> 01:05:30.360 And then what Gommy was is I'll never know how 1003 01:05:30.400 --> 01:05:32.960 did he get because I didn't hear a thing. I 1004 01:05:32.960 --> 01:05:36.159 didn't hear a thump. I didn't hear nothing, not a 1005 01:05:36.199 --> 01:05:39.760 squeal from there. Nothing. And I'm like, did he tackle it? 1006 01:05:39.800 --> 01:05:43.199 Did he pommel it? Did he? And there's another thing 1007 01:05:43.239 --> 01:05:46.920 that well, but down on the bucket list always I 1008 01:05:46.960 --> 01:05:47.119 got that. 1009 01:05:48.039 --> 01:05:48.239 Uh. 1010 01:05:48.519 --> 01:05:52.119 I wish I could have saw that. Uh. But I 1011 01:05:52.159 --> 01:05:55.159 never saw any big foot taking down a critter. 1012 01:05:56.280 --> 01:05:57.320 I mean, I've only seen. 1013 01:05:57.239 --> 01:05:58.760 Nine big foots in my life. 1014 01:05:59.559 --> 01:06:01.119 And and a couple of them. 1015 01:06:00.960 --> 01:06:05.559 Were the same one. So for fifty years, if I 1016 01:06:05.639 --> 01:06:07.519 tell you how hard they are. Like I said, down 1017 01:06:07.519 --> 01:06:11.360 here in Hawkin County, Fairfield and Perry. Those are the 1018 01:06:11.400 --> 01:06:13.960 three counties. I don't if people, I say, any rich, 1019 01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:17.679 he ain't come to be coming into the Tennessee, you know. 1020 01:06:18.079 --> 01:06:20.519 And I go, why as a man that he said 1021 01:06:20.559 --> 01:06:24.840 to this said, by don't I don't know them, would buddy? 1022 01:06:25.800 --> 01:06:26.239 Yeah? 1023 01:06:26.719 --> 01:06:29.440 I tell people, I said, I stayed prevalent to the 1024 01:06:29.440 --> 01:06:33.760 woods that I grew up. And no, all right, everybody. 1025 01:06:33.880 --> 01:06:36.480 You know two big national forces Layne Nasau, one down 1026 01:06:36.519 --> 01:06:39.639 there in near Athams. Uh, but I don't do down either. 1027 01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:43.519 Right up here, Dwayne, big National force here. There's almost 1028 01:06:43.519 --> 01:06:48.760 a million acres here. So like I said, the pick 1029 01:06:48.840 --> 01:06:52.519 your hunting ground. And uh, like I said, the best 1030 01:06:52.559 --> 01:06:54.559 way is to bond him is uh, well, you know 1031 01:06:54.719 --> 01:06:59.840 I teach that I teach some would talk to people 1032 01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:04.400 if you believe. If you don't, that doesn't I don't care. 1033 01:07:06.119 --> 01:07:09.840 But the people that do know me, Matt, and I've 1034 01:07:09.920 --> 01:07:12.480 proved it to him and showed him that I did 1035 01:07:12.639 --> 01:07:16.039 know real wood talk. They were asfounded. 1036 01:07:17.679 --> 01:07:25.519 The wood talk stuff isn't something that I ever looked for. However, 1037 01:07:25.800 --> 01:07:29.079 people that I do know personally in respect A great 1038 01:07:29.159 --> 01:07:35.199 deal have found it. And I remember back whenever I 1039 01:07:35.559 --> 01:07:40.000 was doing investigation stuff, a couple of very close friends 1040 01:07:40.039 --> 01:07:45.000 of mine, Vicky and Dan. I've talked about him thousands 1041 01:07:45.039 --> 01:07:49.119 of times. Kane knows them, Eric knows them. They found 1042 01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:54.000 some sort of little not a structure. It was kind 1043 01:07:54.039 --> 01:07:58.599 of like an asterisk shape thing of just small sticks 1044 01:07:58.679 --> 01:08:02.519 laying on the ground, Okay, and sent me a picture 1045 01:08:02.559 --> 01:08:06.880 of that. And over the years I've talked to several 1046 01:08:06.960 --> 01:08:10.119 different people who have found the same thing in different 1047 01:08:10.199 --> 01:08:16.760 states and different areas. So I think personally there's something 1048 01:08:16.800 --> 01:08:20.279 to it. The Obviously, I don't mean that in any 1049 01:08:20.319 --> 01:08:25.920 sort of disrespectful way. It's just something that I never 1050 01:08:26.039 --> 01:08:30.560 personally saw and didn't even know existed on the level 1051 01:08:31.560 --> 01:08:34.039 that it does. Obviously, we had stick structures, we had 1052 01:08:34.119 --> 01:08:39.520 tps and X formations, and you know, the general stuff 1053 01:08:39.600 --> 01:08:43.239 that you hear about all the time. But these smaller 1054 01:08:43.359 --> 01:08:46.560 ones that seem to be more of a direct language 1055 01:08:46.800 --> 01:08:48.479 are really interesting to me. 1056 01:08:49.960 --> 01:08:54.800 Well, what I've been taught fit the years in these 1057 01:08:54.800 --> 01:08:59.880 secret people, you know, and they've never they're almost like 1058 01:09:00.199 --> 01:09:02.520 templer people. They don't talk. 1059 01:09:03.960 --> 01:09:05.000 They just taught me and. 1060 01:09:08.079 --> 01:09:11.560 Throughout the years and I think they might have learned 1061 01:09:11.600 --> 01:09:16.199 that from the earlier pioneers that figured it out what 1062 01:09:16.359 --> 01:09:19.840 the meaning or something, or through the Indians there what 1063 01:09:20.119 --> 01:09:26.920 meanings were. And I was I was taught to and 1064 01:09:27.119 --> 01:09:33.159 there are hundreds or or I want to say whole hundreds, 1065 01:09:33.159 --> 01:09:37.359 but there's quite a bit of I would talk and 1066 01:09:37.560 --> 01:09:40.760 like I told a few people, I said that, you know, 1067 01:09:40.880 --> 01:09:43.439 the force is alive and talking. They're like, oh, what 1068 01:09:43.760 --> 01:09:47.479 any squirrels, birds, I can nobody. You just don't get it, 1069 01:09:48.119 --> 01:09:49.840 you know, So like an old hippie know, hey, you 1070 01:09:49.880 --> 01:09:53.520 don't hear this, you know or see that. Yeah, it's 1071 01:09:53.640 --> 01:09:56.239 like a But I said, no, the force is alive 1072 01:09:56.319 --> 01:09:59.279 and talking. There's a language out here that you people 1073 01:09:59.479 --> 01:10:02.800 just want and step on and just don't don't see it. 1074 01:10:03.840 --> 01:10:07.760 And uh, for instance, you know, uh, I'll give you 1075 01:10:07.840 --> 01:10:10.479 a gift. Okay, Matt, here's a gift for you and 1076 01:10:10.720 --> 01:10:14.520 for people out there who already know this or people 1077 01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:18.520 who don't know this, I'll give you a gift. One 1078 01:10:18.520 --> 01:10:20.920 of my teachings. Have you ever seen them a little 1079 01:10:21.880 --> 01:10:27.640 little lexes from about two foot tall to four or 1080 01:10:27.720 --> 01:10:31.199 five foot tall, Yeah, where they're like stuck down in 1081 01:10:31.239 --> 01:10:36.159 the ground, correct now. Uh. You see the ones like that, uh, 1082 01:10:37.520 --> 01:10:42.199 especially the small ones versu an X on the ground 1083 01:10:42.520 --> 01:10:46.960 or an X standing and it has a stick uh 1084 01:10:47.479 --> 01:10:51.880 in front of it, leaning on leaning on the act. Yeah, 1085 01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:59.199 well that's a uh that's a uh basically a warning, 1086 01:11:00.119 --> 01:11:02.119 you know. Yeah, Well, the X means stay out for long. 1087 01:11:02.439 --> 01:11:06.680 Everybody knows that, uh. But the stick in front of 1088 01:11:06.760 --> 01:11:09.279 it is a warning from the big foot or the 1089 01:11:09.359 --> 01:11:12.720 grass people. What are it'll call, uh is for the 1090 01:11:12.920 --> 01:11:18.000 backpacker hiker, what they call the stick walker. Oh, and 1091 01:11:18.279 --> 01:11:22.039 they're telling you to stay back up here, stay out 1092 01:11:22.079 --> 01:11:22.359 of there. 1093 01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:26.439 And but that's what that symbol means. 1094 01:11:28.119 --> 01:11:32.359 Usually it'll have a small stick or I mean a 1095 01:11:32.439 --> 01:11:36.359 short stick on top. Sometimes uh that's the same width 1096 01:11:36.399 --> 01:11:40.039 as the X. And that's for the basically for the 1097 01:11:40.279 --> 01:11:44.880 camper the person wants to stick back there or go 1098 01:11:45.000 --> 01:11:48.239 back there to go camping with the tent backpack, But 1099 01:11:48.359 --> 01:11:49.720 the other one was sticking in the front of it 1100 01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:53.119 for the stick walker biker. Tight. 1101 01:11:54.159 --> 01:11:56.960 Okay, let me let me ask you about this because 1102 01:11:57.000 --> 01:12:01.239 this was something that I found, uh back in the day, 1103 01:12:02.319 --> 01:12:04.800 and I hadn't really heard people talking about it. I 1104 01:12:05.199 --> 01:12:07.039 mentioned it, you know, to the people that I was, 1105 01:12:07.800 --> 01:12:10.760 you know, friends with and everything. I call it At 1106 01:12:10.800 --> 01:12:13.279 the time, I called it an artist easel. But it's 1107 01:12:13.399 --> 01:12:16.960 basically the same thing you're talking about, except that it 1108 01:12:17.119 --> 01:12:19.600 looks like the letter A or an anarchy symbol. 1109 01:12:20.479 --> 01:12:22.279 Oh really the X. 1110 01:12:22.439 --> 01:12:25.479 But then you have another stick laying across the bottom. 1111 01:12:26.920 --> 01:12:31.960 Yeah, so you're talking about an A shape with a yeah. 1112 01:12:32.199 --> 01:12:34.479 Yeah, exactly was there a stick. 1113 01:12:34.600 --> 01:12:36.880 Across the top of it or on a bottom or 1114 01:12:37.000 --> 01:12:38.039 well you said on the bottom. 1115 01:12:38.760 --> 01:12:39.000 Yeah. 1116 01:12:40.520 --> 01:12:43.720 Well I can tell you one thing. The A symbol 1117 01:12:45.279 --> 01:12:49.760 with a stick across the top, that means there's another gift. 1118 01:12:49.800 --> 01:12:51.479 If people don't know it, or they don't know it, 1119 01:12:54.319 --> 01:12:57.840 it means a safe cover. If the stick is laying 1120 01:12:57.880 --> 01:13:00.960 on the ground, that means it's not good cover. They're 1121 01:13:01.359 --> 01:13:05.960 not good place to hide or to stay. So what's 1122 01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:09.840 the terrain like or you took that picture? Did it 1123 01:13:09.920 --> 01:13:11.680 looked like a place you want to stay? Or was 1124 01:13:11.760 --> 01:13:12.319 it good cover? 1125 01:13:14.800 --> 01:13:18.159 It wasn't real great cover to be honest, Well there 1126 01:13:18.199 --> 01:13:18.359 you go. 1127 01:13:19.479 --> 01:13:22.720 Yeah, you're trying to hide from humans. Try to hide. 1128 01:13:22.760 --> 01:13:23.640 I wouldn't do it there. 1129 01:13:25.960 --> 01:13:28.159 And like I said, when bigfoot travels, like I said, 1130 01:13:28.199 --> 01:13:30.560 they're travel every three or four days at least, like 1131 01:13:30.680 --> 01:13:32.840 I said, and I want to. I want I want 1132 01:13:32.880 --> 01:13:37.720 everybody that's listening to understand this too. I Oh, they 1133 01:13:37.840 --> 01:13:43.000 know what they're doing in my areas. If they say 1134 01:13:43.039 --> 01:13:45.680 they'd do something different, they're well they might, Okay. Uh, 1135 01:13:46.279 --> 01:13:51.159 I'm only documenting real documentation. And my guys know that 1136 01:13:51.399 --> 01:13:53.920 they're not going to say something or tell me some 1137 01:13:54.159 --> 01:13:58.479 tall tailor or anything like that. Uh. What we see 1138 01:13:58.600 --> 01:14:00.880 is what we get and is what I tell the public. 1139 01:14:01.520 --> 01:14:03.920 And someone says, well, I haven't heard from you know. 1140 01:14:04.399 --> 01:14:06.119 He said they're going to try to get a picture 1141 01:14:06.119 --> 01:14:07.960 of big Foot. I said, yeah, that might be this year, 1142 01:14:08.079 --> 01:14:10.960 next year, the year after that, who knows. I said, 1143 01:14:10.960 --> 01:14:12.880 you got to catch him within that three or four 1144 01:14:12.960 --> 01:14:17.920 day run. Uh, if you can get a chance, if 1145 01:14:17.960 --> 01:14:20.760 you got Here's the thing I was blessed with the 1146 01:14:20.840 --> 01:14:25.279 time of maybe not blessed does I'm you know, disabled veteran, 1147 01:14:25.359 --> 01:14:31.560 but they give me time. Uh, the focus on my hobby. 1148 01:14:31.760 --> 01:14:34.880 And that's another thing I try to tell people. This 1149 01:14:35.119 --> 01:14:39.680 isn't a business, it's a hobby. Uh. And the other 1150 01:14:39.720 --> 01:14:42.039 people out there, like I said, I have never collected 1151 01:14:42.319 --> 01:14:44.279 any money out there. 1152 01:14:44.319 --> 01:14:44.520 I do. 1153 01:14:45.119 --> 01:14:49.279 I do everything. Uh, in charge nothing. And my guys, 1154 01:14:50.279 --> 01:14:53.720 if I tell them you ride with me, I buy, 1155 01:14:55.399 --> 01:14:59.720 and they tell you don't. I go, I don't know, 1156 01:15:00.039 --> 01:15:01.439 you're right with me? I buy. And every time they 1157 01:15:01.479 --> 01:15:03.600 keep clipping out the credit card. I said, you should 1158 01:15:03.680 --> 01:15:05.760 know better than that. I know, you get out whatever. 1159 01:15:07.079 --> 01:15:12.439 But they're coming with me. They're taking their time off 1160 01:15:12.520 --> 01:15:15.720 of work. Day's only got one day off. He worked 1161 01:15:15.760 --> 01:15:18.920 six days a week. But if you did it like 1162 01:15:19.000 --> 01:15:21.359 I said, he dedicated his time. Plus Larry, he drives 1163 01:15:21.399 --> 01:15:24.000 an hour and a half to get here where I 1164 01:15:24.159 --> 01:15:29.720 live at and he's been here so many times. And 1165 01:15:29.920 --> 01:15:32.720 one one fool told me one time and says, well, 1166 01:15:32.720 --> 01:15:34.479 what is he you ever brought to the table? I go, 1167 01:15:34.640 --> 01:15:37.800 You'll never know, and you never will. I go. He's 1168 01:15:37.840 --> 01:15:41.680 been here more times than I've ever seen you. Triple 1169 01:15:41.800 --> 01:15:45.960 that quad triple that. I'm like, hey, that's just the 1170 01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:50.239 way it is. And that's why I made Larry my 1171 01:15:50.359 --> 01:15:55.960 right hand man, because you know, I'm sixty three. My 1172 01:15:56.079 --> 01:15:59.039 heath is not that great right now. I'm dealing with 1173 01:15:59.119 --> 01:16:05.199 asiatic nerve problem right leg now. It's just like you know, 1174 01:16:05.760 --> 01:16:08.439 and I just had another tooth fall out from that 1175 01:16:08.680 --> 01:16:13.199 incident that happened while back in Knock thirty three teeth 1176 01:16:13.239 --> 01:16:16.279 owel when I fell out that tree, when I had 1177 01:16:16.319 --> 01:16:21.560 that some kind of some kind of beastie cruiter almost 1178 01:16:21.600 --> 01:16:28.640 got almost got me. H. My truck was parked way 1179 01:16:28.720 --> 01:16:31.560 down there with the lights on. Yeah, you call yourself 1180 01:16:31.600 --> 01:16:34.880 a real researcher. Huh. You know trucks parked down there 1181 01:16:34.880 --> 01:16:38.279 at headlights on facing the other direction and the flashlight 1182 01:16:38.359 --> 01:16:40.960 and you're forty fives on the front seat and here 1183 01:16:41.000 --> 01:16:43.880 you are, old yellow, old white, going down one side 1184 01:16:43.880 --> 01:16:46.560 and yellow up the other, bolting up a tree because, 1185 01:16:46.640 --> 01:16:48.199 like I said, it was pitch block. I don't know why, 1186 01:16:48.279 --> 01:16:51.840 but when I heard this thing beller, it was running 1187 01:16:51.880 --> 01:16:54.159 toward me when it was doing and I went, oh, 1188 01:16:54.520 --> 01:16:56.720 I'm not going to make it. I'm not gonna make 1189 01:16:56.960 --> 01:16:59.520 I'm feeling around it's like it's black. I'm feeling around 1190 01:16:59.560 --> 01:17:01.680 it tree and I didn't care what what I was 1191 01:17:01.760 --> 01:17:04.279 boating up it. And I got up, I think, and 1192 01:17:04.439 --> 01:17:06.479 then boy, when I did, it was right there at 1193 01:17:06.520 --> 01:17:10.680 the bottom pow and it was growling, snorting, and it's 1194 01:17:10.760 --> 01:17:13.960 going around the tree and it was growling more and 1195 01:17:14.079 --> 01:17:19.920 then it took off went one way. Oh what the 1196 01:17:20.039 --> 01:17:22.560 hell was that thing? And then and then it come back, 1197 01:17:23.319 --> 01:17:25.239 and it went around the tree again and growled and 1198 01:17:25.319 --> 01:17:28.039 ground and then went off in another direction. It kept 1199 01:17:28.119 --> 01:17:31.520 doing this for about almost three hours, three or four 1200 01:17:31.560 --> 01:17:37.199 hours or better. And and when they when it finally left, 1201 01:17:37.920 --> 01:17:41.399 and again here we go, coming out of that tree 1202 01:17:41.479 --> 01:17:45.560 like molasses going down gold Hill in January, Matt trying 1203 01:17:45.600 --> 01:17:49.399 to make no noise at all and until snap, I'll 1204 01:17:49.439 --> 01:17:50.279 come out of that tree. 1205 01:17:51.079 --> 01:17:51.199 Uh. 1206 01:17:53.560 --> 01:17:56.319 I can tell you all. I was up over ten 1207 01:17:56.479 --> 01:18:00.239 eleven twelve a uh higher. Uh that one brand actually 1208 01:18:00.279 --> 01:18:04.760 hits the side of my face. Uh oh actually showed 1209 01:18:05.039 --> 01:18:07.600 uh uh from more I two sat. 1210 01:18:08.439 --> 01:18:08.560 Uh. 1211 01:18:08.800 --> 01:18:11.960 It cracked my face almost up into my to my 1212 01:18:12.039 --> 01:18:12.680 nasal area. 1213 01:18:13.359 --> 01:18:16.359 Oh yeah, that place will just splatter like an eggshell. 1214 01:18:16.960 --> 01:18:19.840 Oh yeah, like I said, it cracked it like what 1215 01:18:20.000 --> 01:18:24.960 they call a hairline crack or whatever. Uh. It killed 1216 01:18:25.000 --> 01:18:27.359 the three active nerves and knock one teeth out and 1217 01:18:27.560 --> 01:18:30.760 killed uh the optic nerves in the other two teeth, 1218 01:18:31.960 --> 01:18:33.840 and just had another two or just had one. This 1219 01:18:33.960 --> 01:18:36.479 whip ages not long ago. I go, well, there it 1220 01:18:36.600 --> 01:18:40.720 is finally just finally uh yeah, I just pulled it 1221 01:18:40.800 --> 01:18:43.039 out and it died on me. It's the nerve it 1222 01:18:43.199 --> 01:18:47.640 killed it. And uh so you know, like I said, 1223 01:18:47.640 --> 01:18:51.359 there's a lot of houses. There's a lot of hazards 1224 01:18:51.399 --> 01:18:55.560 in this bill too, and uh but like I said, 1225 01:18:55.600 --> 01:18:58.600 I have a lot of stuff I don't know if 1226 01:18:58.600 --> 01:19:02.920 I meant to you, uh that I've captured, not just 1227 01:19:03.039 --> 01:19:08.119 a bigfoot, uh if you want to call full like 1228 01:19:08.399 --> 01:19:11.439 apparition stuff there and all whatever stuff that I've got. 1229 01:19:12.600 --> 01:19:19.840 I've got apparitions of things, of entities come to the trees, 1230 01:19:20.880 --> 01:19:27.920 to UFOs, really close up sorts of them. They're like, 1231 01:19:27.960 --> 01:19:30.079 what do we do with this stuff? The woman? What 1232 01:19:30.239 --> 01:19:32.119 I won't do with it? I mean I've asked a 1233 01:19:32.199 --> 01:19:35.800 few people. Wasn't you know? But the thing is, there's 1234 01:19:35.880 --> 01:19:40.399 so much stuff of that I can't send it. If 1235 01:19:40.479 --> 01:19:44.880 somebody has to come here and see this and see 1236 01:19:45.000 --> 01:19:45.680 what all I have. 1237 01:19:46.920 --> 01:19:49.479 Well, if you take somebody like Caine, since we both 1238 01:19:49.560 --> 01:19:53.079 know him, I'll just use him as an example. He's 1239 01:19:53.159 --> 01:19:58.600 someone who had encounters in one location and then he was, 1240 01:19:58.880 --> 01:20:01.119 you know, staying in a trailer for a while and 1241 01:20:01.199 --> 01:20:05.840 I had stuff happen there, and then at his current property. 1242 01:20:05.880 --> 01:20:09.520 He's got stuff going on. You're somebody who has experienced 1243 01:20:10.720 --> 01:20:15.880 all of these different types of phenomenon, cryptids, whatever name 1244 01:20:15.920 --> 01:20:19.039 you want to put on it. Are these things just 1245 01:20:19.279 --> 01:20:23.560 drawn to certain people? Are you just, for whatever reason, 1246 01:20:23.640 --> 01:20:25.760 in the right location, and all this stuff is kind 1247 01:20:25.800 --> 01:20:28.960 of going on there? What do you think is behind that? 1248 01:20:30.880 --> 01:20:35.920 I don't know, Matt. Oh, I know there's an area 1249 01:20:36.279 --> 01:20:45.720 beyond our cabin that they come up through. And this 1250 01:20:45.960 --> 01:20:53.960 just happened once and and I couldn't believe, Matt that 1251 01:20:54.159 --> 01:20:57.359 I captured it. Well, the tail end of what I 1252 01:20:57.399 --> 01:21:01.720 should say. Oh, it was in the winter after a 1253 01:21:01.800 --> 01:21:08.399 big ice storm, and uh, trees, big trees are down. 1254 01:21:08.560 --> 01:21:10.439 I'm balked in. There ain't no waind we'n get out there, 1255 01:21:10.560 --> 01:21:15.479 you know. And but when it was over, and I 1256 01:21:15.680 --> 01:21:19.199 was laying there, uh, by the window in the Capitol, 1257 01:21:19.199 --> 01:21:22.840 on the bed, and uh, and I heard this loud 1258 01:21:23.039 --> 01:21:29.520 whipper wheel. Oh man a lot. I go, well, we 1259 01:21:29.760 --> 01:21:33.720 got some lungs on that. I wait a minute, the 1260 01:21:33.760 --> 01:21:36.119 whipper will ain't even up here yet, April, I saw, 1261 01:21:36.960 --> 01:21:39.560 and I jumped up and I grabbed the camera. I knew. 1262 01:21:40.359 --> 01:21:43.520 I thought it sounded like a whipper wheel, but it 1263 01:21:43.640 --> 01:21:47.039 wasn't a whipper whee. If that makes sense. It was, 1264 01:21:47.239 --> 01:21:51.800 but it was more powerful and deep, more deeper into 1265 01:21:53.880 --> 01:21:57.039 you know, just like these mimic owls. They put mimic 1266 01:21:57.119 --> 01:22:00.840 owls and crows. It's all like a crow. Oh but 1267 01:22:00.960 --> 01:22:05.119 I didn't and uh but I ran got the camera 1268 01:22:05.520 --> 01:22:08.319 and when I went out. There's some other things with 1269 01:22:08.399 --> 01:22:11.039 that story too, but uh, I can tell you this 1270 01:22:11.159 --> 01:22:16.199 part where I went out and uh uh I zoomed 1271 01:22:16.239 --> 01:22:19.960 down from the cabin and here they come there. I 1272 01:22:20.079 --> 01:22:24.159 didn't count uh three or four of them at first, 1273 01:22:24.399 --> 01:22:29.079 coming uh up the ravine. Uh and then the little 1274 01:22:29.119 --> 01:22:31.479 ones you can see a little a little use uh 1275 01:22:32.000 --> 01:22:34.119 uh it might have been the female. I don't know. 1276 01:22:34.680 --> 01:22:34.800 Uh. 1277 01:22:35.079 --> 01:22:36.880 They were coming up the hill the mountain there and 1278 01:22:37.079 --> 01:22:39.840 uh they were going off to the left and off 1279 01:22:39.920 --> 01:22:41.720 to the right of ut there at the cabin. And 1280 01:22:41.760 --> 01:22:44.279 I'm trying to fill this stuff, you know the best 1281 01:22:44.279 --> 01:22:47.359 I can, you know, uh, you know again the powers 1282 01:22:47.399 --> 01:22:49.880 out you know sits black. I got my ninth vision 1283 01:22:50.000 --> 01:22:52.720 on my uh so I got a nice uh Sony 1284 01:22:53.479 --> 01:22:58.439 high eight. Uh it's a five sixty and it's it 1285 01:22:58.560 --> 01:23:00.439 does really it does really good or what I do 1286 01:23:00.640 --> 01:23:02.880 either before and uh, but that's how I had down 1287 01:23:02.920 --> 01:23:05.680 at the cabin at the time, and and I captured 1288 01:23:05.720 --> 01:23:10.399 this on video of them coming up the hill. That 1289 01:23:10.520 --> 01:23:14.039 was only that one time they went through there. And uh, 1290 01:23:15.840 --> 01:23:19.359 but then again the dog man was in there too. No, 1291 01:23:19.680 --> 01:23:23.600 I can't explain that because it's on dogman tracks. Uh 1292 01:23:23.720 --> 01:23:28.239 in Willett. Uh. I didn't see him, but they were 1293 01:23:28.319 --> 01:23:32.159 in there. And when I had somebody asked me a question. 1294 01:23:32.439 --> 01:23:32.560 Uh. 1295 01:23:33.119 --> 01:23:36.279 Uh, I don't know. It was Jody, Jody Cook for an. 1296 01:23:36.199 --> 01:23:37.279 A d P asked me. 1297 01:23:37.319 --> 01:23:39.079 He said, well, where's what do you think you picked up? 1298 01:23:39.399 --> 01:23:41.960 The Bigfoot is hanging with a dog man. 1299 01:23:42.000 --> 01:23:42.800 Or this, that and there? 1300 01:23:42.840 --> 01:23:43.920 And I go, well, I don't know. 1301 01:23:45.439 --> 01:23:50.920 I haven't seen them together. But then years later I 1302 01:23:51.119 --> 01:23:56.520 was uh in the pit and I had my phone 1303 01:23:56.600 --> 01:23:58.079 up at this time, believe it, I had it out 1304 01:23:58.079 --> 01:24:00.560 and I was taking a picture off to the and 1305 01:24:02.039 --> 01:24:04.720 just taking a picture. It's like a beautiful view, I'll 1306 01:24:04.760 --> 01:24:08.239 taking a picture. And well, right when I turned left, 1307 01:24:09.000 --> 01:24:12.199 I saw just to the right what they call a 1308 01:24:13.199 --> 01:24:16.479 use one of them old man critter, use a little one. 1309 01:24:17.920 --> 01:24:20.920 Uh look too far in front of me, Uh, looking 1310 01:24:21.000 --> 01:24:25.319 at me, And I'm starting to raise up the tablet 1311 01:24:25.520 --> 01:24:28.439 and I'm thinking of my mind, I'm going this is crazy. 1312 01:24:29.119 --> 01:24:31.319 He this thing's gonna let me take a picture of it. 1313 01:24:31.880 --> 01:24:34.000 It didn't run off. And as I'm getting ready to 1314 01:24:34.000 --> 01:24:36.560 take a picture of it, at the same time I'm 1315 01:24:36.560 --> 01:24:40.600 ready to push that button, a little bigfoot a youth 1316 01:24:41.520 --> 01:24:45.319 leans out right in front of me at a tree, 1317 01:24:45.439 --> 01:24:49.239 right in front of me, like hell he did, saying 1318 01:24:49.279 --> 01:24:51.399 if he just leaned down, looked. I snapped a picture. 1319 01:24:51.680 --> 01:24:53.960 That's the only one that I got. And what I 1320 01:24:54.039 --> 01:24:59.159 did he bolted, and then that little boltman thing. Critter bolded. 1321 01:25:00.039 --> 01:25:02.199 I don't know if they're playing together together. I know, 1322 01:25:02.560 --> 01:25:08.880 well one's there, one's there, they're together fighting or whatever. 1323 01:25:09.000 --> 01:25:11.600 I don't know, but they all know. 1324 01:25:11.640 --> 01:25:15.039 How kids are though, Like you see two little kids 1325 01:25:15.039 --> 01:25:17.840 at a grocery store, both with their moms, and they'll 1326 01:25:17.960 --> 01:25:21.199 wander off and find each other and check each other 1327 01:25:21.279 --> 01:25:23.079 out and everything. So maybe that's what was going on. 1328 01:25:24.079 --> 01:25:28.680 Yeah, yeah, and uh and Kane Michaels had check us out. 1329 01:25:28.800 --> 01:25:31.039 Kane Michaels has got a picture of this. You guys, 1330 01:25:31.079 --> 01:25:32.800 I don't know if you were working at the was 1331 01:25:32.880 --> 01:25:35.479 you with me, Dave when we went in the pit, 1332 01:25:36.640 --> 01:25:42.359 and uh, somebody hollered down and said, hey, Richard, this 1333 01:25:42.600 --> 01:25:46.520 is going to be a really difficult pour, like a lot. 1334 01:25:47.079 --> 01:25:50.159 And we all walked up there. And when we got 1335 01:25:50.279 --> 01:25:55.399 up there on the cliff wall, matt in the mall 1336 01:25:56.920 --> 01:26:00.399 all the way up this cliff straight I'm talking Trader 1337 01:26:00.439 --> 01:26:05.159 and Dick's hat man straight up, bigfoot tracks. 1338 01:26:04.880 --> 01:26:06.760 Going right up the front of that cliff, going to 1339 01:26:06.840 --> 01:26:07.159 the top. 1340 01:26:07.600 --> 01:26:12.199 He's using a using that uh that big sapling almost 1341 01:26:12.319 --> 01:26:14.600 like a full vault or whatever. But he was using 1342 01:26:14.640 --> 01:26:17.159 that livery and he went right up the face of that. 1343 01:26:17.600 --> 01:26:18.560 About pictures of that. 1344 01:26:19.880 --> 01:26:21.479 I think Kine told me about that. 1345 01:26:22.560 --> 01:26:27.319 Yeah, He's like, no, that's gonna be difficult for Ridge 1346 01:26:27.359 --> 01:26:30.239 And I said, yes, that is I said, no, No, 1347 01:26:32.560 --> 01:26:35.520 all we could do is to take pictures of it. 1348 01:26:35.680 --> 01:26:38.640 And uh and I give came Michael's a lot of credit. 1349 01:26:38.920 --> 01:26:44.840 Uh for one. He is a real researcher and he 1350 01:26:45.000 --> 01:26:47.960 knows what he's got there. He don't have to you 1351 01:26:47.960 --> 01:26:52.960 don't have to uh prove anybody uh like me. Uh 1352 01:26:53.119 --> 01:26:55.920 when I take my booth out, map where I want 1353 01:26:56.000 --> 01:26:58.640 my guys, when we take our booths out, and I 1354 01:26:58.720 --> 01:27:01.439 got my tracks out there, all these pictures and all 1355 01:27:01.479 --> 01:27:06.600 this stuff, and when the people come up and there 1356 01:27:07.000 --> 01:27:12.079 and they see this and they're like, so, where did 1357 01:27:12.119 --> 01:27:14.479 you get that or what is that? And I'm like, well, 1358 01:27:14.520 --> 01:27:16.600 that's what I want you to tell me. I mean, 1359 01:27:16.640 --> 01:27:18.640 I got belief. I can tell you what that is, 1360 01:27:18.760 --> 01:27:23.840 but I'm not here to make you believe. What I'm 1361 01:27:23.880 --> 01:27:28.319 here for is two things. One, you tell me what 1362 01:27:28.520 --> 01:27:32.239 you think you see here and all these pictures. And 1363 01:27:32.600 --> 01:27:37.079 second of all, I'm waiting for the right person to 1364 01:27:37.159 --> 01:27:41.159 come up to my or our booth and say, I 1365 01:27:41.359 --> 01:27:44.399 recognize that track one of these cryptids that I got. 1366 01:27:46.760 --> 01:27:50.199 That's what I'm waiting on. I'm waiting on somebody to 1367 01:27:50.239 --> 01:27:53.680 come up and identify if they've seen one of these 1368 01:27:53.760 --> 01:27:57.119 things or they found the same track. Now, what's weird 1369 01:27:58.119 --> 01:28:01.640 is that three caloled thing and that human foot with 1370 01:28:01.800 --> 01:28:05.119 the three big lumpy toad like things on there, that 1371 01:28:05.359 --> 01:28:09.039 track and that call track. It just came the news 1372 01:28:09.119 --> 01:28:11.600 to me because people call me and they said, Rich, 1373 01:28:12.439 --> 01:28:14.439 you're not gonna believe this. I'm like, what, And they go, 1374 01:28:14.680 --> 01:28:17.680 there's a guy in Texas, there's a guy in Georgia, 1375 01:28:18.000 --> 01:28:20.359 there's a guy in Louisiana, and there's a guy in 1376 01:28:20.439 --> 01:28:22.439 I can't marbles. I can't remember what the others stay 1377 01:28:22.479 --> 01:28:29.119 well you uh yeah, but the uh all, every one 1378 01:28:29.199 --> 01:28:31.840 of those states has the These people have got the 1379 01:28:31.920 --> 01:28:38.760 same two casting as me. Now, ain't like, uh it 1380 01:28:39.000 --> 01:28:39.880 migrated from here? 1381 01:28:44.119 --> 01:28:45.760 Is it the same size and everything? 1382 01:28:46.760 --> 01:28:53.079 Almost exactly? Yeah? And uh and it's like, so what 1383 01:28:53.720 --> 01:28:57.279 for one, what are these two things all along with 1384 01:28:57.399 --> 01:28:59.560 all that you know? And also the human foot with 1385 01:28:59.640 --> 01:29:03.800 the four calls? Uh? But but the three toe thing 1386 01:29:03.880 --> 01:29:07.239 and that three call thing? How many of them out there? 1387 01:29:08.600 --> 01:29:10.119 You know what I mean? If they're from here clear 1388 01:29:10.199 --> 01:29:12.079 down there? And the other states man, well we got 1389 01:29:12.119 --> 01:29:15.600 more and some gave birth to them two things. And 1390 01:29:15.720 --> 01:29:19.079 then and it's like ah, and somebody said to me, 1391 01:29:19.199 --> 01:29:22.800 they said, well, well, wouldn't that be the three clalls? 1392 01:29:22.800 --> 01:29:25.920 Wouldn't it be its front like claws? If that's its feet, 1393 01:29:26.279 --> 01:29:28.840 that could be its clalls. I'm like, no, you're not listening. 1394 01:29:29.439 --> 01:29:31.880 I said that the three call has a human foot, 1395 01:29:31.920 --> 01:29:34.199 but it stepped on a rock part and went down 1396 01:29:34.279 --> 01:29:37.039 in one the one that I poor, I didn't get 1397 01:29:37.079 --> 01:29:39.920 to the foot part to it, and Jody Crook does 1398 01:29:40.600 --> 01:29:42.840 and uh, but I want to know what these things 1399 01:29:42.880 --> 01:29:46.199 are too, and where do they come from? And That's 1400 01:29:46.279 --> 01:29:49.840 why I hired a team, not just to do and 1401 01:29:50.159 --> 01:29:52.840 or the teacher one. I, well, I've been taught, but 1402 01:29:53.039 --> 01:29:58.000 also for eyes and uh eyes out there because I'm 1403 01:29:58.039 --> 01:30:00.880 not going to say ears because one I tell you this, mat, 1404 01:30:02.159 --> 01:30:04.199 if these things want to get you, Mandy, you're not 1405 01:30:04.279 --> 01:30:08.199 going to hear them come up on you. You're not 1406 01:30:08.399 --> 01:30:10.880 going to hear them. Buddy. I've been out there, man, 1407 01:30:10.920 --> 01:30:12.760 I've had things that come come right up on me 1408 01:30:12.800 --> 01:30:17.000 and like hoo you oh man, damn uh when you 1409 01:30:17.079 --> 01:30:18.479 know that you should have heard it. By the way 1410 01:30:18.560 --> 01:30:21.199 of this thing come up on you. Nope, they come 1411 01:30:21.279 --> 01:30:22.239 up in your stealth mode. 1412 01:30:24.119 --> 01:30:27.600 Other than that, you mentioned the incident that happened with 1413 01:30:27.720 --> 01:30:33.840 the tree. Have you been in other situations where they 1414 01:30:33.960 --> 01:30:35.239 acted aggressive towards you? 1415 01:30:36.319 --> 01:30:40.119 Well? Yeah, well one when I was in a cave. 1416 01:30:40.680 --> 01:30:43.880 I got spent the night in the cave and a 1417 01:30:43.960 --> 01:30:48.600 wedge and a rock in there. Yeah, I was in 1418 01:30:48.680 --> 01:30:55.560 the pit. Again. I don't It's like it wasn't like 1419 01:30:55.640 --> 01:30:59.840 a dog man, It's like a big jog. I don't know. 1420 01:31:00.319 --> 01:31:06.720 Uh uh, I wouldn't say walt were Uh the thing 1421 01:31:06.880 --> 01:31:11.960 was huge and uh on all fours. Yeah, while I 1422 01:31:12.079 --> 01:31:14.279 was down on the pit. I came around the corner. 1423 01:31:14.319 --> 01:31:15.800 I was going and getting ready to go into uh 1424 01:31:16.079 --> 01:31:19.520 this little cave area. And when I was in there 1425 01:31:19.560 --> 01:31:22.760 a little bit, sat down, I lit my cigar. I 1426 01:31:22.840 --> 01:31:25.439 sat there on a rock with and I was like, Okay, 1427 01:31:25.479 --> 01:31:27.239 we'll get up and go across the creek over there. 1428 01:31:27.960 --> 01:31:30.840 And when I got up and I started walking just 1429 01:31:31.119 --> 01:31:36.840 past the edge of where the cave is, I saw 1430 01:31:36.920 --> 01:31:40.960 a shadow all fours come and I went, oh, ship, 1431 01:31:41.000 --> 01:31:42.279 and I knew it was big, and I all ship, 1432 01:31:42.520 --> 01:31:44.520 And soon I turned around. I bowled it up into 1433 01:31:44.560 --> 01:31:47.039 there and I so I go up the rocks and 1434 01:31:47.079 --> 01:31:50.439 got into that wedge. It was already on me, right 1435 01:31:50.479 --> 01:31:55.399 behind me. And Uh, like I said, I had spent 1436 01:31:55.479 --> 01:31:58.279 a whole it wouldn't I didn't. Uh it didn't do 1437 01:31:58.439 --> 01:32:01.560 me there. I went for saying all night, keep attacking me, 1438 01:32:02.159 --> 01:32:03.640 and I mean, it wears me up in there, and 1439 01:32:03.720 --> 01:32:06.680 I couldn't get to me, and uh it was trying, 1440 01:32:07.800 --> 01:32:10.840 and then uh it backed out and it went out 1441 01:32:11.680 --> 01:32:15.560 and it left. But I didn't know if it left. H. 1442 01:32:15.760 --> 01:32:18.680 I just stayed there. And I stayed there until the 1443 01:32:18.800 --> 01:32:24.720 next day until Uh I heard somebody coming. Uh guy 1444 01:32:24.840 --> 01:32:28.199 in this uh boy, little boy, And they had this 1445 01:32:28.279 --> 01:32:32.520 little dog with them, and so I hung around since 1446 01:32:32.520 --> 01:32:34.359 they got down there, I crawled out of there and 1447 01:32:35.000 --> 01:32:37.800 and kind of hung out a little a little ways 1448 01:32:37.840 --> 01:32:40.279 from him, uh, but stayed in eye contact with them, 1449 01:32:40.279 --> 01:32:43.640 and then follow them out through the vehicle. Oh yeah, 1450 01:32:46.000 --> 01:32:49.520 like I said, I uh, you know, as the people, 1451 01:32:50.720 --> 01:32:54.199 uh they you need really I tell people, man, beep 1452 01:32:54.199 --> 01:32:56.439 busin them when you go out there. Uh, not say 1453 01:32:56.520 --> 01:32:58.880 be afraid or anything, but in areas that you're not, 1454 01:32:59.800 --> 01:33:02.640 they you don't know or or anything like that. Even that, 1455 01:33:02.840 --> 01:33:06.119 even when the foolie grows up around the past, when 1456 01:33:06.119 --> 01:33:09.319 you're walking down it and all of a sudden, you're 1457 01:33:09.319 --> 01:33:10.760 walking down the path, you look back and talk to 1458 01:33:10.760 --> 01:33:12.600 your buddy's not there, no morning, You didn't hear nothing, 1459 01:33:13.439 --> 01:33:15.760 you know what I mean? Uh, because so many of 1460 01:33:15.800 --> 01:33:21.079 the places that I went, matt. Uh. Like I tell people, 1461 01:33:21.159 --> 01:33:25.359 sometimes if you want the good stuff, or I call 1462 01:33:25.479 --> 01:33:26.920 bad stuff, then you got to go to the bad 1463 01:33:26.960 --> 01:33:30.520 place to get it, like uh uh the Deans where 1464 01:33:30.720 --> 01:33:36.600 people have gone missing. Yeah, so you keep in hand 1465 01:33:36.640 --> 01:33:39.239 with that. But then a lot of times, you know, uh, 1466 01:33:40.199 --> 01:33:43.439 do you want to play roulette with the milk Carton, 1467 01:33:45.199 --> 01:33:48.880 because there are things out there, Matt, And I don't 1468 01:33:48.880 --> 01:33:52.640 care what anybody says until you spend the time out there. 1469 01:33:54.079 --> 01:33:57.520 And I mean spend the time I loan. And then 1470 01:33:57.720 --> 01:33:59.680 you tell me for about a week or two or 1471 01:33:59.720 --> 01:34:02.079 three weeks you've been out there alone, out there deep 1472 01:34:02.079 --> 01:34:04.000 in the national forest, out of a river or something. 1473 01:34:04.199 --> 01:34:06.079 Or are you come out and telling me to do 1474 01:34:06.199 --> 01:34:10.000 you already there or not? Or witness something that you 1475 01:34:10.039 --> 01:34:13.840 couldn't explain, or something you couldn't you couldn't if you 1476 01:34:13.920 --> 01:34:17.960 can't make out what it was, or or or you're 1477 01:34:18.039 --> 01:34:22.760 bolting up a tree. But yeah, and that's only when 1478 01:34:22.760 --> 01:34:24.960 you go out there with nothing. Well, you got your 1479 01:34:25.000 --> 01:34:27.439 forty five and a ten foot staff. That's just you know, 1480 01:34:27.479 --> 01:34:30.600 in case you might have to deal with a you know, 1481 01:34:30.680 --> 01:34:32.399 a frisky ball cat or something. I have to put 1482 01:34:32.439 --> 01:34:35.720 him were, you know, or a bear. You make yourself bigger. 1483 01:34:36.239 --> 01:34:38.479 You know, I got pictures of black bear. What that 1484 01:34:38.600 --> 01:34:40.640 one pains? I got like ten feet from me. He 1485 01:34:40.720 --> 01:34:44.079 come up sniffing me. He's a big one, the four 1486 01:34:44.159 --> 01:34:45.880 hundred pound or a big one and he's up for 1487 01:34:45.880 --> 01:34:47.880 a sniff of man. And you know, I said, you 1488 01:34:47.960 --> 01:34:49.720 know when I start to get up to tell him 1489 01:34:49.720 --> 01:34:52.199 the shoe away. You know, he scamper's all his way. 1490 01:34:52.520 --> 01:34:56.960 He really problem he bears h Now it's him telling him, 1491 01:34:57.079 --> 01:35:01.840 but not the problem with them and so cats. But 1492 01:35:02.199 --> 01:35:05.000 you're going to know, you know the difference between a 1493 01:35:05.079 --> 01:35:07.319 deer and a bear and this and there when you 1494 01:35:07.439 --> 01:35:10.720 hear some some beastly, you can hear the weight of 1495 01:35:10.800 --> 01:35:14.239 it coming and you hear the deep growl and then 1496 01:35:16.800 --> 01:35:21.279 and you feel it. And I tell people, people don't understand, Matt. 1497 01:35:22.119 --> 01:35:23.600 I don't even know if you ever tried, just not 1498 01:35:24.319 --> 01:35:29.680 how what the power it takes to feel it. And 1499 01:35:29.840 --> 01:35:32.720 I mean go outside or stand in your room, put 1500 01:35:32.760 --> 01:35:35.760 your hand in front of your face and scream, yell 1501 01:35:35.880 --> 01:35:38.479 loud as you can. Now you just keep it going 1502 01:35:38.600 --> 01:35:42.119 until you can't feel now vibration on your hand, how 1503 01:35:42.279 --> 01:35:43.199 loud you're yelling. 1504 01:35:45.039 --> 01:35:50.680 The thing that gets me is, uh, the reports where 1505 01:35:51.079 --> 01:35:55.680 people feel them when they're running through the woods. Yeah, 1506 01:35:55.960 --> 01:35:59.039 they can fill their feet hitting the ground. 1507 01:35:59.680 --> 01:36:00.239 Yeah out. 1508 01:36:00.880 --> 01:36:05.720 I mean you experienced that thing that sensation around you know, 1509 01:36:05.960 --> 01:36:08.720 herds of cattle and things like that. But the idea 1510 01:36:08.800 --> 01:36:13.079 that alone individual, especially one that doesn't have hooves on 1511 01:36:13.159 --> 01:36:15.760 its feet running through the woods and you can fill it. 1512 01:36:16.000 --> 01:36:20.239 Hitting the ground with each step. That's power. That that's 1513 01:36:20.319 --> 01:36:21.960 beyond mass. That's that's power. 1514 01:36:23.039 --> 01:36:25.920 Well, especially when you even there and you hear I 1515 01:36:26.000 --> 01:36:27.680 mean you're laying in the gilly and you hear that 1516 01:36:33.680 --> 01:36:37.119 he's in dip in the ground when he walks. Uh. 1517 01:36:37.840 --> 01:36:39.560 And like I said, you feel him, you hear him. 1518 01:36:40.039 --> 01:36:43.920 Like I said, your hearts are raising your hearts because 1519 01:36:44.079 --> 01:36:47.479 you know, I call it a manimal actually, because you 1520 01:36:47.479 --> 01:36:50.479 don't know what he's gonna do. Yeah, especially if you 1521 01:36:50.520 --> 01:36:54.119 get the drop on him, because it ain't supposed to 1522 01:36:54.159 --> 01:36:58.760 go that way. And and and like I said, I've 1523 01:36:58.800 --> 01:37:01.880 taken guys. When I when I brought Larry Ramsey and 1524 01:37:02.000 --> 01:37:05.279 I bought Dave Levering in on my team. Matt I 1525 01:37:05.439 --> 01:37:08.640 asked that, I asked him. I said, from from from 1526 01:37:08.720 --> 01:37:12.600 the time I brought you in till now, I said, 1527 01:37:14.199 --> 01:37:17.640 I wanted to uh just uh share a moment or 1528 01:37:17.680 --> 01:37:21.039 two before we got off here. I wanted uh, each 1529 01:37:21.119 --> 01:37:24.680 one of them to uh and they're not gonna lie 1530 01:37:25.000 --> 01:37:26.760 if they saw something, they saw something, they did and 1531 01:37:26.840 --> 01:37:29.520 they didn't do it. I wanted them so let the 1532 01:37:29.840 --> 01:37:33.840 people here uh what they've experienced with me. You've been 1533 01:37:33.880 --> 01:37:38.600 with me on a long day two a couple of years? Yeah, 1534 01:37:38.680 --> 01:37:43.720 we Dave's a drummer like me, retired drummer. And uh 1535 01:37:44.319 --> 01:37:46.439 and uh, Larry, you've been with me how long? 1536 01:37:46.520 --> 01:37:46.640 Now? 1537 01:37:47.039 --> 01:37:49.359 I just say it to you, just shy a two years? 1538 01:37:49.920 --> 01:37:53.640 If you don't mind, I'll let Maria Man Larry Larry 1539 01:37:53.760 --> 01:37:57.239 Ramsey uh tell you what it was like when we 1540 01:37:57.439 --> 01:38:00.199 first met, real quick. When we first met, it was 1541 01:38:00.279 --> 01:38:03.359 really uh, quite unique because it was all his anniversary 1542 01:38:04.119 --> 01:38:06.359 when we first met, when I was on my big 1543 01:38:06.439 --> 01:38:10.880 foot tours and uh, what are god son? But uh, 1544 01:38:11.039 --> 01:38:12.640 y'all let them tell both? Are you real quick? I 1545 01:38:12.760 --> 01:38:15.359 face all something that I didn't. Hey man, how's it going? 1546 01:38:16.399 --> 01:38:18.000 Hey Larry? How are you all right? 1547 01:38:18.079 --> 01:38:18.239 Sir? 1548 01:38:20.199 --> 01:38:20.399 Yes? 1549 01:38:20.479 --> 01:38:23.279 So basically, I uh, I've been interested in bigfoot for 1550 01:38:23.760 --> 01:38:25.640 most of my life, but it didn't really get much 1551 01:38:25.720 --> 01:38:27.760 chance to get out and do a lot. And when 1552 01:38:27.760 --> 01:38:29.479 I did, you know, I didn't really know what I 1553 01:38:29.600 --> 01:38:32.960 was looking for, uh so uh, and I was bored, 1554 01:38:33.600 --> 01:38:35.319 so I wanted another group to do it with. So 1555 01:38:35.439 --> 01:38:39.119 I started looking around. And there's so many different groups 1556 01:38:39.159 --> 01:38:40.520 out there, it's hard to really know, you know, I 1557 01:38:40.600 --> 01:38:43.159 can get involved with. You got to really start looking 1558 01:38:43.239 --> 01:38:47.439 at this stuff and you know, investigating them too, And 1559 01:38:47.640 --> 01:38:49.920 most of the people really don't. Only a few have 1560 01:38:50.119 --> 01:38:54.039 really concrete evidence that I've seen, and a lot of 1561 01:38:54.079 --> 01:38:54.840 the other people. 1562 01:38:54.680 --> 01:38:55.960 They're just they were just like me. 1563 01:38:56.159 --> 01:38:59.119 They were just you know, Daniel booming it through the woods, 1564 01:38:59.159 --> 01:39:01.560 you know, trying to find what they could find. And 1565 01:39:01.720 --> 01:39:04.239 most of them they didn't know what they were looking at, 1566 01:39:04.399 --> 01:39:06.119 just like me, didn't even know what was there. Maybe 1567 01:39:06.199 --> 01:39:08.239 like kind of like you said, you hadn't really noticed 1568 01:39:08.239 --> 01:39:10.199 some of that stuff before. It's like we were just 1569 01:39:10.319 --> 01:39:13.720 ignoring things that were very important that he is now 1570 01:39:13.800 --> 01:39:18.560 teaching me. So I'm I'm really lucky that I got. 1571 01:39:18.439 --> 01:39:19.239 Hooked up with him. 1572 01:39:20.000 --> 01:39:22.840 What was it like, uh, the first time you met 1573 01:39:22.920 --> 01:39:23.279 up with him? 1574 01:39:24.560 --> 01:39:27.760 Uh uh, Well, it was it was pretty cool because 1575 01:39:27.800 --> 01:39:29.920 I mean, I guess unfortunate for him, not a lot 1576 01:39:29.960 --> 01:39:32.119 of people showed up that day, so I was like 1577 01:39:32.199 --> 01:39:33.920 one of the few people that did. So I got 1578 01:39:34.000 --> 01:39:36.279 like really good time with him that day. I got 1579 01:39:36.319 --> 01:39:38.399 to really talk with him and feel him out, and 1580 01:39:38.680 --> 01:39:44.119 the same for him for me too, I guess, but uh. 1581 01:39:44.640 --> 01:39:44.920 I don't know. 1582 01:39:45.000 --> 01:39:46.640 It was it was pretty awesome. There was somebody. 1583 01:39:46.640 --> 01:39:48.560 It was somebody I wanted to meet, and and then 1584 01:39:48.600 --> 01:39:50.920 I got to and he was a normal person. He 1585 01:39:51.039 --> 01:39:55.359 was he wasn't wasn't fake, just a down to earth 1586 01:39:55.439 --> 01:39:58.000 guy and I we hit it off really well, so 1587 01:39:58.399 --> 01:40:01.680 I was pretty happy. I mean, actually came back out 1588 01:40:02.000 --> 01:40:06.479 the following weekend, which was my birthday, to meet up 1589 01:40:06.520 --> 01:40:09.319 with him again and we went out into the woods 1590 01:40:10.439 --> 01:40:13.640 with Dave. Walker showed up that night, the author and 1591 01:40:13.960 --> 01:40:15.680 he went out with us too, So we were probably 1592 01:40:15.720 --> 01:40:18.600 out till about four or five in the morning that night, 1593 01:40:19.560 --> 01:40:21.960 but not really much it happened, you know. So we 1594 01:40:22.079 --> 01:40:23.840 were just kind of chilling, and then right when we 1595 01:40:23.880 --> 01:40:26.560 were getting ready to leave, a rock came in at 1596 01:40:26.640 --> 01:40:28.680 us and hit the inside of the truck. Like the 1597 01:40:28.720 --> 01:40:32.159 truck cap was up and it came in and hit 1598 01:40:32.239 --> 01:40:33.399 the inside of the truck cap. 1599 01:40:34.439 --> 01:40:36.279 And that's about the only thing that happened that night. 1600 01:40:37.800 --> 01:40:40.560 Like you were talking about, there's not a lot of 1601 01:40:40.640 --> 01:40:45.439 people that actually have evidence. There's tons and tons of 1602 01:40:45.479 --> 01:40:49.319 groups out there, all of them claiming to be the experts, 1603 01:40:49.800 --> 01:40:54.359 you know, with all the information. So you kind of 1604 01:40:54.439 --> 01:40:59.680 lucked out, it seems. Hooking up with Rich what happened 1605 01:41:00.239 --> 01:41:05.159 to kind of solidify that, Hey, this guy knows his ship, 1606 01:41:05.239 --> 01:41:06.399 he knows what he's talking about. 1607 01:41:07.039 --> 01:41:10.399 Oh God, the well, the first night that I've stayed here, 1608 01:41:11.079 --> 01:41:14.000 we were up pretty much all night long, just talking 1609 01:41:14.039 --> 01:41:14.279 back and. 1610 01:41:14.319 --> 01:41:16.600 Forth, and he was showing me some stuff, showing me 1611 01:41:16.720 --> 01:41:17.720 some pictures, letting me. 1612 01:41:17.760 --> 01:41:18.560 Hear some video, you know. 1613 01:41:18.600 --> 01:41:20.600 And then he wasn't like showing it all to me, 1614 01:41:20.720 --> 01:41:23.800 you know, but enough that I was. I was blown away, 1615 01:41:24.520 --> 01:41:27.720 and I'm like, wow, man, this this is for real. 1616 01:41:27.760 --> 01:41:29.000 I mean, he's got pictures. 1617 01:41:29.159 --> 01:41:31.319 I didn't even believe in dog Man until I've seen 1618 01:41:31.359 --> 01:41:32.920 some of his pictures, you know, and heard some of 1619 01:41:33.000 --> 01:41:35.520 his stories, and I was like, man, okay, well that 1620 01:41:35.640 --> 01:41:37.359 was a whole other thing I gotta worry about or 1621 01:41:37.399 --> 01:41:38.680 think about when I'm out there in the woods. 1622 01:41:38.680 --> 01:41:38.960 I was just. 1623 01:41:39.000 --> 01:41:40.079 Focusing on big Foot. 1624 01:41:40.119 --> 01:41:43.800 That was like what I was interested in, right, and 1625 01:41:43.920 --> 01:41:46.560 nobody else. I mean, Kay, Michaels has got a lot 1626 01:41:46.600 --> 01:41:47.359 of really good stuff. 1627 01:41:47.359 --> 01:41:48.319 So like these two both. 1628 01:41:48.239 --> 01:41:49.920 Down in hockey, I've got a lot of stuff, but 1629 01:41:50.199 --> 01:41:52.760 like we're kind of mostly everybody else did't, no matter 1630 01:41:52.800 --> 01:41:54.720 how many like you see a bunch of blurry pictures 1631 01:41:54.880 --> 01:41:58.039 or you would hear audio that sounded like people were 1632 01:41:58.119 --> 01:42:00.319 doing that, you know, like I can almost some much 1633 01:42:00.319 --> 01:42:02.279 the player. I could make that sound, you know, and 1634 01:42:02.560 --> 01:42:04.800 it sounds like a person else. So and and none 1635 01:42:04.840 --> 01:42:09.560 of his evidence to me, uh was face. 1636 01:42:10.960 --> 01:42:14.319 Well, I mean, there's a pretty famous uh dog man 1637 01:42:14.399 --> 01:42:19.680 image floating around that we talked about, and I know 1638 01:42:20.640 --> 01:42:25.319 that lots of people have tried to find that image 1639 01:42:25.319 --> 01:42:28.359 in a horror movie or a TV show or somewhere, 1640 01:42:29.119 --> 01:42:32.800 and as far as I'm aware of, nobody has been 1641 01:42:32.840 --> 01:42:37.159 able to debunk that image or those images. 1642 01:42:37.760 --> 01:42:39.600 Yeah, well they want to. They want to sell that 1643 01:42:39.720 --> 01:42:42.560 because it's too good. But you can't make anybody happy 1644 01:42:42.640 --> 01:42:45.199 you either your picture is too blurry, and then that's 1645 01:42:45.239 --> 01:42:47.960 why it's not real. Or this picture or this video 1646 01:42:48.039 --> 01:42:50.439 or whatever is so good that people are like, well, 1647 01:42:50.479 --> 01:42:52.600 that's got to be fake because it's too good, you know. 1648 01:42:52.640 --> 01:42:54.840 It's like and there's no mask. 1649 01:42:54.680 --> 01:42:56.239 That looks like that either. I'm pretty sure I know 1650 01:42:56.319 --> 01:42:58.279 what picture referring to. Yeah. 1651 01:42:58.680 --> 01:43:01.279 Yeah, And I've had people like, come on, and I've 1652 01:43:01.279 --> 01:43:03.159 reade comments where people have said that, well, you can 1653 01:43:03.239 --> 01:43:04.880 tell that that's a man in a suit because look 1654 01:43:04.920 --> 01:43:05.680 how the legs are bent. 1655 01:43:06.000 --> 01:43:08.840 Well, I mean, nobody's going to say that just because 1656 01:43:08.840 --> 01:43:09.560 somebody says as a. 1657 01:43:09.560 --> 01:43:11.920 Dog man or wear wolf or whatever, that it's going 1658 01:43:12.000 --> 01:43:14.520 to be anatomically correct between from the toes to the 1659 01:43:14.560 --> 01:43:16.359 tips of the ears, you know, of what a blend 1660 01:43:16.439 --> 01:43:18.520 of a wolf or a dog or a man could be. 1661 01:43:18.680 --> 01:43:21.199 So how are you or anyone to say how it's 1662 01:43:21.319 --> 01:43:24.720 legs or typically to be bent, you know, especially if 1663 01:43:24.720 --> 01:43:26.239 you've you've never seen one of a lot of people 1664 01:43:26.239 --> 01:43:28.000 that make the comments that if they just sitting in 1665 01:43:28.000 --> 01:43:29.560 front their computer, they've never been in the woods in 1666 01:43:29.600 --> 01:43:30.960 their life, or. 1667 01:43:30.920 --> 01:43:32.319 If they do, you know, they don't go very far. 1668 01:43:32.359 --> 01:43:34.560 They go on these little little trails that everybody else 1669 01:43:34.600 --> 01:43:36.760 goes on too, So it's like they don't really know 1670 01:43:36.840 --> 01:43:37.399 what's out there. 1671 01:43:38.199 --> 01:43:42.680 There's a lot of people who get their entire knowledge 1672 01:43:42.760 --> 01:43:46.079 base from listening to other people on the internet tell 1673 01:43:46.159 --> 01:43:49.640 them what to believe. What's it like to be out 1674 01:43:49.680 --> 01:43:52.800 there in the field and having a rock thrown at 1675 01:43:52.840 --> 01:43:56.000 you or experiencing these things firsthand? 1676 01:43:56.880 --> 01:43:58.159 Uh, it's cool. 1677 01:43:58.960 --> 01:44:01.000 It's like what you're there for, you know, I mean 1678 01:44:01.199 --> 01:44:03.720 you want more? I mean I want to see one 1679 01:44:06.119 --> 01:44:08.279 I don't I don't know how close I initially want 1680 01:44:08.319 --> 01:44:10.640 to see one at first, but I definitely want to 1681 01:44:10.720 --> 01:44:15.520 see one. But initially I guess, you know, you get excited, 1682 01:44:16.159 --> 01:44:18.399 maybe you get a little nervous, but I mean it 1683 01:44:18.560 --> 01:44:20.760 is what you're there for, so it's like you can't really, 1684 01:44:21.600 --> 01:44:24.680 I guess, really be too afraid or want to run off, 1685 01:44:24.760 --> 01:44:26.239 because then why are you there? 1686 01:44:26.479 --> 01:44:26.640 You know. 1687 01:44:28.119 --> 01:44:31.359 I mean there's a big jump though, from being interested 1688 01:44:31.439 --> 01:44:33.560 in the subject and checking it out and everything and 1689 01:44:34.359 --> 01:44:37.880 being out in the woods at three am with things 1690 01:44:37.960 --> 01:44:38.680 moving around you. 1691 01:44:39.159 --> 01:44:40.439 Very true, very true. 1692 01:44:41.359 --> 01:44:43.239 And a lot of times people, I don't know, people 1693 01:44:43.239 --> 01:44:45.159 will some of their stories where it's like they think 1694 01:44:45.199 --> 01:44:47.560 they've seen something or whatever. Maybe they're telling a story 1695 01:44:47.560 --> 01:44:49.439 of a lot of people get scared, you know, in 1696 01:44:49.520 --> 01:44:52.039 the dark in the woods and they a sound makes 1697 01:44:52.119 --> 01:44:54.159 them think something, and like your mind can go wild 1698 01:44:54.239 --> 01:44:55.560 and then all of a sudden you think you've seen 1699 01:44:55.640 --> 01:44:57.720 something that you didn't and you're telling the story and 1700 01:44:57.800 --> 01:45:00.439 it keeps growing over time, and you've you told your 1701 01:45:00.479 --> 01:45:04.439 story twelve different times and it's differently nine different times. 1702 01:45:04.720 --> 01:45:05.439 Just how it can go. 1703 01:45:05.680 --> 01:45:08.359 But I mean that's to be expected, though, you know, 1704 01:45:09.479 --> 01:45:12.920 you can get your emotions get the better of you 1705 01:45:13.039 --> 01:45:17.039 sometimes out there. I always said, you know, take your experiences, 1706 01:45:17.439 --> 01:45:20.159 get home and allow a cool down period of like, 1707 01:45:20.880 --> 01:45:23.760 you know, a few days to pass, and then reevaluate 1708 01:45:24.479 --> 01:45:27.800 what you experienced and relook at things and then tell 1709 01:45:27.840 --> 01:45:28.439 your stories. 1710 01:45:28.800 --> 01:45:30.640 Yeah, that would be the better way to go about it. 1711 01:45:32.680 --> 01:45:34.279 But then some people, you know, they just want to 1712 01:45:34.560 --> 01:45:37.119 beef up their stories because they're hoping they can get 1713 01:45:37.199 --> 01:45:39.560 hits on their YouTube or for their site or whatever 1714 01:45:39.560 --> 01:45:42.600 they're doing. So that's why they're just making up their stories. 1715 01:45:43.079 --> 01:45:44.680 And that was another thing you had to worry about. 1716 01:45:44.680 --> 01:45:46.359 When you're trying to find a group or something they're 1717 01:45:46.359 --> 01:45:48.039 trying to get into. It's like, well, how many of 1718 01:45:48.079 --> 01:45:50.840 these people are just making stuff up? And then how 1719 01:45:50.880 --> 01:45:53.279 many of the people are just blindly following them because 1720 01:45:53.319 --> 01:45:55.600 they don't want to look into what these people are 1721 01:45:55.680 --> 01:45:58.600 making up. They just want to believe, you know, they're just. 1722 01:45:58.960 --> 01:45:59.800 Want to be part of it. 1723 01:46:00.439 --> 01:46:03.880 Well, sure, and I wanted to get in with somebody 1724 01:46:03.880 --> 01:46:07.960 who is really investigating and finding real evidence and he'll 1725 01:46:08.039 --> 01:46:08.960 learn as much as I could. 1726 01:46:09.000 --> 01:46:11.560 Actually, what are you hoping to get out of this? 1727 01:46:11.680 --> 01:46:13.560 And I know you said that you wanted to see 1728 01:46:13.600 --> 01:46:16.720 you on but do you have a goal whenever this 1729 01:46:16.880 --> 01:46:18.319 is all said and done with that you want to 1730 01:46:18.319 --> 01:46:19.039 have accomplished. 1731 01:46:19.600 --> 01:46:22.920 Mainly just that like being able to see one and 1732 01:46:23.000 --> 01:46:26.199 then some of what Rich has taught me. If I 1733 01:46:26.640 --> 01:46:31.159 can continue that particular sighting into more, I would like 1734 01:46:31.920 --> 01:46:34.319 to kind of convene with one a little bit, like 1735 01:46:34.359 --> 01:46:37.000 to where I can spend more time seeing the same one, 1736 01:46:37.039 --> 01:46:39.479 hopefully in that area, get it to kind of know 1737 01:46:39.560 --> 01:46:41.600 who I am a little bit as I will know 1738 01:46:41.680 --> 01:46:44.279 who it is. That would be really awesome. 1739 01:46:44.800 --> 01:46:48.000 What's one of the bigger things that sticks out in 1740 01:46:48.079 --> 01:46:50.800 your mind that Rich has taught you? 1741 01:46:51.760 --> 01:46:56.760 You pay attention to some of the finest details that 1742 01:46:57.960 --> 01:47:01.119 you normally wouldn't notice in the woods because they don't 1743 01:47:01.239 --> 01:47:05.680 always do stuff with sticks. They'll manipulate branches, they'll. 1744 01:47:05.520 --> 01:47:06.239 Do things that. 1745 01:47:07.800 --> 01:47:11.119 People wouldn't think about, and it's it's you'll overlook a 1746 01:47:11.159 --> 01:47:13.760 lot of the ship that they'll do. So just really 1747 01:47:13.960 --> 01:47:17.960 really paying attention to the finest of details, man remember 1748 01:47:18.000 --> 01:47:21.960 and everything, trying to document everything you do, everything you see. 1749 01:47:23.039 --> 01:47:26.760 What's been your favorite experience that you've had personally. 1750 01:47:27.399 --> 01:47:28.319 Just being part of the team. 1751 01:47:28.359 --> 01:47:31.840 I would say being with a group of. 1752 01:47:31.880 --> 01:47:35.399 Guys that enjoy having you around, and you enjoy being 1753 01:47:35.439 --> 01:47:35.960 around them. 1754 01:47:36.119 --> 01:47:37.199 You share the. 1755 01:47:38.720 --> 01:47:42.079 The same lights and the camaraderie that you can build 1756 01:47:42.119 --> 01:47:43.560 when you're when you're out in the field. 1757 01:47:43.640 --> 01:47:45.479 It's like I it's cool. 1758 01:47:47.640 --> 01:47:53.119 That is an excellent answer, man, that's an excellent answer. Well, 1759 01:47:53.600 --> 01:47:56.760 it was good talking to you. Thanks for jumping on here. 1760 01:47:57.359 --> 01:47:59.880 And yeah, I appreciate it. Yeah, talk to day now. 1761 01:48:00.279 --> 01:48:03.560 Yeah, let me talk to Dave. Hey man, Hey, Dave, 1762 01:48:03.640 --> 01:48:04.000 how are you? 1763 01:48:05.159 --> 01:48:05.760 I'm pretty good. 1764 01:48:05.840 --> 01:48:10.600 Are you doing all right? So you're the skeptic, Yeah, 1765 01:48:11.880 --> 01:48:15.399 all right, Well let's hear it is Rich full of shit. 1766 01:48:18.840 --> 01:48:23.239 I actually don't think he's full of shit because I've 1767 01:48:23.399 --> 01:48:25.600 known him for a long time. I've never known him 1768 01:48:25.640 --> 01:48:26.640 to lie about anything. 1769 01:48:28.399 --> 01:48:32.800 And but the reason I'm a skeptic is because, like 1770 01:48:32.880 --> 01:48:34.720 when I first got into this, I was I'm on 1771 01:48:34.880 --> 01:48:40.039 YouTube and other platforms and watching videos, and. 1772 01:48:40.800 --> 01:48:41.800 For every. 1773 01:48:43.359 --> 01:48:46.600 Thousand that you watch, there might be one in there 1774 01:48:46.680 --> 01:48:51.560 that could be maybe believable. There's just so much crap 1775 01:48:51.680 --> 01:48:53.119 out there that you have to sort through you to 1776 01:48:53.199 --> 01:48:56.119 find anything real, and then you're not sure if it's 1777 01:48:56.159 --> 01:48:56.560 real or not. 1778 01:48:57.880 --> 01:49:01.079 You know what's got you stumped the most that you've 1779 01:49:01.920 --> 01:49:03.600 encountered or experienced with Rich. 1780 01:49:05.960 --> 01:49:10.520 The wood talk has confused me a couple of times 1781 01:49:11.359 --> 01:49:13.800 because really, don't how explain it? 1782 01:49:14.439 --> 01:49:15.960 I mean, it's not supposed to be there. 1783 01:49:17.199 --> 01:49:20.479 Yeah, how did he get there to put it there? 1784 01:49:20.880 --> 01:49:21.079 Yeah? 1785 01:49:21.680 --> 01:49:25.279 And you know, and what's it mean is they're just 1786 01:49:25.399 --> 01:49:29.880 so I have so many questions. Yeah, those fold the 1787 01:49:29.960 --> 01:49:37.520 tree and yeah, that experience was pretty exceptional. We found 1788 01:49:37.920 --> 01:49:41.479 we were at a lake and uh, not too far. 1789 01:49:41.560 --> 01:49:45.079 From the parking lot. Probably walked to the yards if that. 1790 01:49:46.560 --> 01:49:51.600 Yeah, Uh, there's a structure like a like a TP 1791 01:49:51.800 --> 01:49:55.960 looking structure, and then about ten yards away from it, 1792 01:49:56.119 --> 01:49:59.760 there is a forty foot tree that's about eight ten 1793 01:49:59.800 --> 01:50:05.680 intes is around that it's moving between other trees. And 1794 01:50:06.479 --> 01:50:08.479 and damn sure did not fall like that? 1795 01:50:09.600 --> 01:50:12.960 Huh and and uh. 1796 01:50:14.479 --> 01:50:18.880 The more I research and the more I'm in the 1797 01:50:18.960 --> 01:50:22.960 woods with Rich and Larry seeing this stuff and seeing 1798 01:50:23.199 --> 01:50:28.560 Cane's evidence, it's it's really hard to be skeptical. But 1799 01:50:29.000 --> 01:50:32.760 I still am because I personally, I've never experienced anything. 1800 01:50:32.800 --> 01:50:34.359 I've never seen one, heard one. 1801 01:50:36.159 --> 01:50:36.600 I'm on that. 1802 01:50:36.840 --> 01:50:38.119 I'm on the fence about it. 1803 01:50:39.000 --> 01:50:40.760 You know, that's something a lot of people deal with. 1804 01:50:41.159 --> 01:50:44.000 But why do you think that is is it just 1805 01:50:44.119 --> 01:50:46.359 the amount of time that you've been able to actually 1806 01:50:46.479 --> 01:50:49.600 spend out there. Why does it seem like some people 1807 01:50:49.760 --> 01:50:52.680 have all this stuff happened to them and then others 1808 01:50:53.079 --> 01:50:54.239 never experience anything. 1809 01:50:55.560 --> 01:50:58.560 Yeah, the people that have things happen to them, I 1810 01:50:58.640 --> 01:51:00.840 think are spending a lot of time out there because 1811 01:51:00.880 --> 01:51:05.199 it's so rare of an occasion to hear or see 1812 01:51:05.279 --> 01:51:07.520 something that you just see. 1813 01:51:07.520 --> 01:51:09.399 You have to be out there a lot. And my 1814 01:51:09.640 --> 01:51:14.560 job kind of restricts me on on time. And why 1815 01:51:14.680 --> 01:51:17.520 it's during the summer. Now I'll come fall and winter 1816 01:51:17.720 --> 01:51:19.520 It'll slap off a little bit and I'll have a 1817 01:51:19.560 --> 01:51:23.840 little more time to do things until them, I'm just 1818 01:51:24.119 --> 01:51:25.319 kind of biding my time. 1819 01:51:25.399 --> 01:51:28.880 I guess as a group, what are you guys trying 1820 01:51:28.920 --> 01:51:31.399 to accomplish? Like, what kind of projects do you have 1821 01:51:31.560 --> 01:51:31.880 going on? 1822 01:51:34.239 --> 01:51:38.840 Just some overnight hikes down at Richest Cabin and the 1823 01:51:38.880 --> 01:51:41.439 Hawking Hills. If we get down there and do overnighters 1824 01:51:42.279 --> 01:51:45.760 quite a bit and record and if we can hear 1825 01:51:45.800 --> 01:51:52.159 anything or see anything. And the we're hoping to do 1826 01:51:52.319 --> 01:51:56.439 some big Foot tours here later on this fall, Nelsonville. 1827 01:51:56.920 --> 01:52:00.159 Big that's go I should that's gonna. 1828 01:51:59.920 --> 01:52:01.000 Be Rich Tell you about that. 1829 01:52:02.199 --> 01:52:06.399 Uh, well, that's one thing Matt work. Uh. We're gonna 1830 01:52:06.600 --> 01:52:10.319 see if we can put the town of Nelsonville, Ohio 1831 01:52:10.520 --> 01:52:13.560 back on the map. I've been Uh. I've already got 1832 01:52:13.600 --> 01:52:17.800 a meeting schedule with the mayor and they're going to 1833 01:52:17.880 --> 01:52:21.399 have for the first time a big Foot festival in Nelsonville. 1834 01:52:21.680 --> 01:52:24.479 We're gonna be a big part of uh ocr and 1835 01:52:24.800 --> 01:52:28.560 uh and that's going to be exciting. And plus we 1836 01:52:28.680 --> 01:52:32.000 got we're gonna be at the mauthmanph Festival again this year. 1837 01:52:32.960 --> 01:52:38.359 We're gonna be either on inside the Riverboat Museum on 1838 01:52:38.520 --> 01:52:41.279 the first floor or on the second floor. One on 1839 01:52:41.399 --> 01:52:42.079 the two floors. 1840 01:52:43.319 --> 01:52:45.800 Dave mentioned the Bigfoot tours. Are are you going to 1841 01:52:45.880 --> 01:52:49.600 have those like wide open to the public or is 1842 01:52:49.680 --> 01:52:52.079 it are you gonna be kind of picking and choosing 1843 01:52:52.119 --> 01:52:52.560 who goes? 1844 01:52:53.800 --> 01:52:53.920 Uh? 1845 01:52:54.239 --> 01:52:56.720 Well, it's on uh Facebook. I don't know if anybody 1846 01:52:56.840 --> 01:52:59.560 knows it's not, but I have I have separated myself 1847 01:52:59.680 --> 01:53:08.199 from h exposing the strange with David Wolf. Uh. Uh. 1848 01:53:08.800 --> 01:53:11.359 I went on my own because I've been trying to 1849 01:53:11.359 --> 01:53:15.079 go on my own and uh and my team and 1850 01:53:15.159 --> 01:53:18.159 anybody that knows me, Matt have to hold tell me 1851 01:53:18.239 --> 01:53:22.159 of Hawking, Fairfield, Perry and other surrounding county. So way 1852 01:53:22.279 --> 01:53:26.199 way out there. That knows me. Uh. I'm not a 1853 01:53:26.319 --> 01:53:29.079 liar and I'm not a thief, and I'm not a storyteller. 1854 01:53:29.840 --> 01:53:32.359 I don't make up anything. And I tell people if 1855 01:53:32.399 --> 01:53:35.399 you want to have an experience, I don't pulled anything back. 1856 01:53:35.439 --> 01:53:37.199 You want to come out here, you want to come out, well, 1857 01:53:38.119 --> 01:53:41.840 come on, I have nothing to hide, and you can 1858 01:53:41.840 --> 01:53:44.439 see where I hunt. Then we'll all get a picture 1859 01:53:44.479 --> 01:53:48.479 of that critter. You know. Like I said, But if 1860 01:53:48.520 --> 01:53:53.520 you really want something, uh concrete, you got to get 1861 01:53:53.560 --> 01:53:58.279 out there by yourself, or have three guys in a pyramid, 1862 01:53:58.520 --> 01:54:02.600 but scattered out in Gilly. He's buried. And then when 1863 01:54:02.680 --> 01:54:06.159 that time comes, you have that flear on, but have 1864 01:54:06.279 --> 01:54:12.239 the lenses closed and you wait. You wait until that 1865 01:54:12.479 --> 01:54:16.600 critter is at least twenty feet from you, and then 1866 01:54:16.720 --> 01:54:19.319 pop them lenses and pole you got him. Now here's 1867 01:54:19.359 --> 01:54:22.720 the other part of that. What's you're gonna do When 1868 01:54:22.760 --> 01:54:25.159 he first sees that flear fire up, it's like the 1869 01:54:25.359 --> 01:54:28.479 sunbeam hitting him in the face. Now, what do you 1870 01:54:28.560 --> 01:54:30.399 think he's going to do? Because now you've got to 1871 01:54:30.439 --> 01:54:36.079 drop on him. See I said, that's well, everybody's going 1872 01:54:36.119 --> 01:54:38.840 to have to watch one another here because you're not 1873 01:54:38.960 --> 01:54:42.159 dealing with you're you're dealing with a man animal here 1874 01:54:42.600 --> 01:54:46.920 like an animal basically. And that's what I tell try 1875 01:54:46.960 --> 01:54:48.640 to tell people. I said, you're not going out there 1876 01:54:48.720 --> 01:54:51.439 looking for a wooly woolly or a little fuzzy creature. 1877 01:54:53.199 --> 01:54:55.000 He's not gonna be so fuzzy when you run into 1878 01:54:55.039 --> 01:54:56.920 him face the face. I don't go see that and 1879 01:54:57.079 --> 01:54:59.399 you're gonna freeze, You're gonna solid. And I tell people 1880 01:54:59.520 --> 01:55:02.640 usually when you seem he's already sees you, I tell 1881 01:55:02.680 --> 01:55:04.640 you was just I usually take an ear sit down, 1882 01:55:05.840 --> 01:55:09.920 and that freaks them out because normally they'll take off 1883 01:55:10.279 --> 01:55:12.319 or the person will take off bolden and like the 1884 01:55:12.359 --> 01:55:15.920 big Foot's like they gonna goes to another one. Uh, 1885 01:55:16.439 --> 01:55:19.119 then you have to grow all that time. Uh. But 1886 01:55:19.239 --> 01:55:21.680 when you sit down and sit there, pick up a 1887 01:55:21.720 --> 01:55:25.359 stick and with and he's probably thinking, oh, he's not 1888 01:55:25.399 --> 01:55:28.439 afraid of me. Well, I'll just get a little closer 1889 01:55:28.479 --> 01:55:31.720 and check him out. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't, 1890 01:55:32.000 --> 01:55:34.000 And you'll know when the when it's over with because 1891 01:55:34.039 --> 01:55:36.760 they just get up in bold when they're done looking 1892 01:55:36.760 --> 01:55:37.279 at or whatever. 1893 01:55:37.600 --> 01:55:37.720 Uh. 1894 01:55:39.159 --> 01:55:43.279 Yeah, but it's that first initial. Now, the big foots 1895 01:55:43.319 --> 01:55:46.319 that I've ever captured was all daylight, if that makes 1896 01:55:46.359 --> 01:55:51.399 any sense. And uh, but if you're going to capture 1897 01:55:51.399 --> 01:55:52.760 one at night, that's what you're going to have to do. 1898 01:55:53.720 --> 01:55:57.039 You can't have anything on that produces heat or with 1899 01:55:57.159 --> 01:55:59.800 a battery in it. If you put up trail cams 1900 01:56:00.399 --> 01:56:07.800 looked through infrared, uh binoculars, an infrared binocular looked through them. 1901 01:56:09.239 --> 01:56:12.319 Trail cams hanging on the trees, they're golowing like candles 1902 01:56:13.439 --> 01:56:17.560 because of the batteries in the back of them. God forbid, 1903 01:56:17.600 --> 01:56:19.159 you're looking to that thing when it goes off in 1904 01:56:19.239 --> 01:56:23.680 a blind robe and uh no. And and I've done 1905 01:56:23.720 --> 01:56:26.840 field trial after field trial for over a year on 1906 01:56:26.960 --> 01:56:31.600 a trail cam and trying to hide the beam. And 1907 01:56:32.079 --> 01:56:34.680 I did get successful here, uh because I came up 1908 01:56:34.680 --> 01:56:38.640 with a blue like a blue chromium mylre and uh, 1909 01:56:39.079 --> 01:56:44.520 it's center on center than saran wrap. Uh. I've never 1910 01:56:44.560 --> 01:56:47.119 seen the matial again. I bought this novelty store and 1911 01:56:47.199 --> 01:56:49.960 in this film and uh, the business went down. And 1912 01:56:50.680 --> 01:56:52.960 but I was using that and I put corn on 1913 01:56:53.039 --> 01:56:54.720 the side of on the other side the road there. 1914 01:56:55.199 --> 01:56:57.640 But the trail came up and didn't put it on it. Well, 1915 01:56:57.680 --> 01:56:59.319 you can see the deer and everything come up, and 1916 01:57:00.000 --> 01:57:01.159 one or two of them come up and they put 1917 01:57:01.199 --> 01:57:01.720 their nose right. 1918 01:57:01.680 --> 01:57:04.199 In front of the camera. I mean right right up 1919 01:57:04.239 --> 01:57:04.720 to the camera. 1920 01:57:04.840 --> 01:57:07.600 They see the beam. Well, I put that mall hoar 1921 01:57:07.760 --> 01:57:10.920 on it, and I went about like a quarter mile 1922 01:57:11.000 --> 01:57:12.880 off the road and I put up the trail can 1923 01:57:12.960 --> 01:57:14.279 but I put the model or and put the feet 1924 01:57:14.319 --> 01:57:17.800 out and nothing came up or the deer didn't even 1925 01:57:18.079 --> 01:57:20.399 put their nose put the camera. I went, welliam in 1926 01:57:20.439 --> 01:57:25.199 the hare, so I uh tords there. I took the trail, 1927 01:57:25.239 --> 01:57:27.439 came off and went down the road another quarter mile, 1928 01:57:28.159 --> 01:57:30.239 put them or took a mile hour off, put it up, 1929 01:57:30.279 --> 01:57:32.840 DearS up in front of the camera. Again. I'm doing 1930 01:57:32.920 --> 01:57:34.760 this for a year and well, yeah they didn't go 1931 01:57:34.880 --> 01:57:37.880 up in front off. That's about the only way. But 1932 01:57:38.039 --> 01:57:39.680 like I said, if you just put troil cams up, 1933 01:57:39.880 --> 01:57:43.079 they see it just like like candle's going on the trees. 1934 01:57:43.720 --> 01:57:45.239 And that's why a lot of people say, man, I 1935 01:57:45.319 --> 01:57:47.640 got there's like four hundred and fifty pictures or like 1936 01:57:48.000 --> 01:57:50.359 twelve hundred pictures on this trail camera that there's nothing 1937 01:57:50.439 --> 01:57:52.560 on it. I go, well, that's probably the Bigfoot standing 1938 01:57:52.600 --> 01:57:54.520 behind it, and he's got a stick in his hand 1939 01:57:54.560 --> 01:57:56.600 and he's got his arm around here and he's waving 1940 01:57:56.640 --> 01:57:59.039 it tick in front of it, watching the flash go off. 1941 01:58:00.039 --> 01:58:01.079 They'd like to play with them. 1942 01:58:02.039 --> 01:58:05.960 Yeah, I've looked through a lot of those photos back 1943 01:58:06.000 --> 01:58:06.439 in the day. 1944 01:58:09.479 --> 01:58:11.399 But I am glad, Matt. I am glad that I 1945 01:58:11.479 --> 01:58:13.720 got to hook up with you and and and got 1946 01:58:13.800 --> 01:58:17.760 to talk with you. And there's just so much more stuff, Matt, 1947 01:58:18.680 --> 01:58:21.880 I mean just I mean, I got I don't know 1948 01:58:21.920 --> 01:58:23.640 what to do with it all. What do you hear? 1949 01:58:23.720 --> 01:58:28.560 The bigfoot growls and this one critter uh moan and roar, 1950 01:58:29.479 --> 01:58:32.399 and it is so loud it woke me up in 1951 01:58:33.359 --> 01:58:38.319 the bed in the cabin. I've never heard anything like 1952 01:58:38.359 --> 01:58:40.840 it in my life. And this thing went on from 1953 01:58:40.880 --> 01:58:45.119 eleven o'clock till seven in the morning, non stop, and 1954 01:58:45.279 --> 01:58:49.439 it just echoed and burrowed through the valley. So, like 1955 01:58:49.560 --> 01:58:56.159 I said, there's just like I said, there's just so 1956 01:58:56.319 --> 01:58:58.680 much stuff and I don't know what to do with 1957 01:58:58.680 --> 01:59:04.159 it all. And uh, I've done you know, a couple 1958 01:59:04.159 --> 01:59:07.119 of other podcast on things, and uh, but I never 1959 01:59:07.159 --> 01:59:11.079 really got a chance to get into uh, this other stuff, 1960 01:59:11.079 --> 01:59:12.760 and I don't really know if I want to or not. Uh. 1961 01:59:13.640 --> 01:59:17.000 I mean because again it's that good. The pictures are 1962 01:59:17.079 --> 01:59:22.680 that good, Matt. And uh. And like I said, in 1963 01:59:22.920 --> 01:59:25.560 fifty years of my life, I have seen things because 1964 01:59:25.560 --> 01:59:29.920 I've been out there alone, alone, and and and capturing 1965 01:59:30.000 --> 01:59:32.600 this stuff. And there's times where I've even called I 1966 01:59:32.760 --> 01:59:37.399 have called everybody, Matt. I've called everybody that note, Hey, man, 1967 01:59:38.079 --> 01:59:39.880 you gotta get out here. Man, there's some stuff going on. 1968 01:59:39.960 --> 01:59:43.039 To go Do you mean the cabin in Hawking, I go, yeah, yeah, yeah, 1969 01:59:43.079 --> 01:59:45.159 going down. You ain't gonna catch me ner their wrists? 1970 01:59:45.159 --> 01:59:47.840 No no, no, no, no no your cabin Oh no no, no, 1971 01:59:47.920 --> 01:59:52.439 no no. Why can't get anybody come out? Nobody except 1972 01:59:52.520 --> 01:59:56.600 now for Larry and Dave. Well, now I can get 1973 01:59:56.640 --> 02:00:01.920 out there and uh and hopefully this winter when it's 1974 02:00:01.960 --> 02:00:05.479 closed out, I'm gonna I'm hoping to uh because I'm 1975 02:00:05.520 --> 02:00:09.039 going back to old school ways. Already done tried the 1976 02:00:09.119 --> 02:00:12.079 new ways, and people tried to lie and tell things 1977 02:00:12.159 --> 02:00:14.960 and stretch the stretch it out, and I ain't me 1978 02:00:15.199 --> 02:00:17.279 so no, I'm going back to old school, just like 1979 02:00:17.399 --> 02:00:21.840 I always did basic everything, basic tech, basically all of them. 1980 02:00:22.840 --> 02:00:25.880 And I'm going to hopefully show the public some good stuff. 1981 02:00:25.920 --> 02:00:28.279 But like I said, it's not a matter if, it's 1982 02:00:28.319 --> 02:00:31.960 a matter when, and it's not you know, I mean, 1983 02:00:32.000 --> 02:00:35.399 you got more chances, you know, uh finding the bigfoot. 1984 02:00:35.680 --> 02:00:37.359 Uh you know kind of wood talk and he would 1985 02:00:37.520 --> 02:00:39.640 playing the lottery, I says, or scratch off. 1986 02:00:40.119 --> 02:00:40.239 Uh. 1987 02:00:41.159 --> 02:00:43.039 But uh, like I said, there's three different types of 1988 02:00:43.079 --> 02:00:46.520 wood talk. There's ground talk just for one family, and 1989 02:00:46.600 --> 02:00:50.520 there's mid talk for the three families. On the high 1990 02:00:50.600 --> 02:00:56.399 talk for all that's passing see And like I said, 1991 02:00:56.439 --> 02:01:01.000 the ground talk is a directional marker or like a picture, 1992 02:01:01.680 --> 02:01:05.520 and that's just for the dad if he leaves, and 1993 02:01:05.720 --> 02:01:08.439 for mom and junior to follow only, like say, if 1994 02:01:08.479 --> 02:01:10.000 we're all sitting around in a group and say, hey, 1995 02:01:10.039 --> 02:01:11.560 we don't have to everybody, we're leaving, And I said, 1996 02:01:11.600 --> 02:01:13.159 I'm gonna go ahead and head on out, and you 1997 02:01:13.319 --> 02:01:15.760 catch up with me. I'll be I'll leave your signs. 1998 02:01:17.640 --> 02:01:21.960 That's where that one part is. And then now the 1999 02:01:22.079 --> 02:01:24.239 mid talk, you know, it's for the three families, because 2000 02:01:24.279 --> 02:01:27.760 I tell people there's three families that's down here that 2001 02:01:28.159 --> 02:01:30.600 or are you got three males and three females in 2002 02:01:30.680 --> 02:01:36.439 three US and the uh the three US, there's two 2003 02:01:36.520 --> 02:01:39.039 males and a female, and when they grow up, one 2004 02:01:39.079 --> 02:01:41.399 of them is going to claim that female. And it's 2005 02:01:41.479 --> 02:01:44.800 not against fighting or anything like that. It's the test 2006 02:01:44.840 --> 02:01:47.680 of strength and power. Because I came up on a 2007 02:01:47.880 --> 02:01:53.640 mid use uh and I saw it where Uh I 2008 02:01:53.720 --> 02:01:55.359 wish I got I wish I had got to see 2009 02:01:55.760 --> 02:01:58.439 what the first one did, but I didn't, But I 2010 02:01:59.039 --> 02:02:02.439 got to see what this one did. This thing straddled 2011 02:02:03.439 --> 02:02:07.119 a huge tree right put his legs around it, and 2012 02:02:07.239 --> 02:02:09.840 he kind of leaned back and gave a quick uh, 2013 02:02:10.279 --> 02:02:12.800 like a roar, and it's like lightning. He was like 2014 02:02:14.800 --> 02:02:17.079 five hits. The first hit was a bang crack. 2015 02:02:17.479 --> 02:02:20.359 For the rest of him, he pummeled in five hits. 2016 02:02:20.439 --> 02:02:23.119 Matt. He flattened that tree that he was standing over. 2017 02:02:25.039 --> 02:02:27.079 And then I heard some stuff a barrel top on 2018 02:02:27.199 --> 02:02:32.039 the ridge, and and then nothing after that, and then 2019 02:02:32.119 --> 02:02:33.960 it just took off and it went up that ridge 2020 02:02:34.000 --> 02:02:35.520 and what was that other one? So I guess they 2021 02:02:35.560 --> 02:02:40.199 claimed the female, That's what I guess. But uh to 2022 02:02:40.319 --> 02:02:45.039 see that, I mean, I was like, I was like, ah, 2023 02:02:45.319 --> 02:02:49.800 like you see on TV. Samson hercules stuff. Yeah, it's 2024 02:02:49.880 --> 02:02:53.800 like biblical of that power. It just it just uh 2025 02:02:54.119 --> 02:02:58.359 it sent that feeling of the spectacular warm feeling, and 2026 02:02:58.439 --> 02:03:01.520 I was like, wow, like I just take it, you know, 2027 02:03:01.840 --> 02:03:04.560 took a breathway, just a witness that. 2028 02:03:05.079 --> 02:03:08.319 I really appreciate you coming on here and sharing some 2029 02:03:08.439 --> 02:03:10.199 of this stuff. And I'm glad we finally got the 2030 02:03:10.279 --> 02:03:11.880 chance to talk oh. 2031 02:03:12.159 --> 02:03:15.239 One here, and I'm glad that you gave me the 2032 02:03:15.279 --> 02:03:18.840 privilege to uh let my guys speak. Well, for sure, 2033 02:03:20.119 --> 02:03:23.520 there's no line here. This is just me and me 2034 02:03:23.680 --> 02:03:27.760 and Kane Michaels uh down here. Uh. Even we're doing 2035 02:03:27.840 --> 02:03:28.920 both steps different things. 2036 02:03:29.079 --> 02:03:29.159 Uh. 2037 02:03:29.960 --> 02:03:33.600 Uh we're real researchers out there, and uh we're just 2038 02:03:33.680 --> 02:03:36.479 trying to uh the people out there that are making 2039 02:03:36.520 --> 02:03:39.159 it fake. Uh. It just makes that harder for to 2040 02:03:39.239 --> 02:03:43.640 get people to believe uh in seeing what we have 2041 02:03:43.800 --> 02:03:47.560 as research evidence out there. So you know, I do 2042 02:03:47.720 --> 02:03:50.640 library talks for free. I do this for free, free classes, 2043 02:03:50.720 --> 02:03:53.640 free pooring classes. I supply toss everything. You know. It's 2044 02:03:53.680 --> 02:03:55.960 like I said, I don't know, it's not for money 2045 02:03:56.000 --> 02:04:00.800 for me. It's about education and teaching uh the townspeople 2046 02:04:01.119 --> 02:04:03.279 or the public out there. Hey man, this is what's 2047 02:04:03.399 --> 02:04:05.319 in your woods. You tell me what you think you see. 2048 02:04:06.520 --> 02:04:07.640 Please you believe me or you don't. 2049 02:04:09.199 --> 02:04:11.279 If you've had an encounter with Bigfoot or dog Man 2050 02:04:11.399 --> 02:04:13.000 or something else you can't explain and you'd like to 2051 02:04:13.119 --> 02:04:16.039 share your story on the podcast, email me at Bigfoot 2052 02:04:16.039 --> 02:04:19.720 Crossroads at gmail dot com. Check out the website Bigfootcrossroads 2053 02:04:19.760 --> 02:04:23.880 dot com. You can find links to social media, past episodes, merchandise, 2054 02:04:24.039 --> 02:04:27.319 everything you need, all in one place. And until next time, 2055 02:04:27.399 --> 02:04:30.119 remember there's something in the woods.