Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Castle of Horror, the show dedicated
Speaker 1: to horror movies an awesomeness. This week we have a
Speaker 1: look at the twenty twenty four Taiwanese horror comedy Dead
Speaker 1: Talent Society. This is episode four hundred and fifty eight.
Speaker 1: Bear in mind if you haven't seen today's movie, we're
Speaker 1: going to be talking about it from the perspective of
Speaker 1: horror fans who have seen it, So warning spoilers ahead.
Speaker 1: From Denver, Colorado, I'm your host, Jason Henderson, publisher at
Speaker 1: castle Bridge Media, home of the Castle of Horror anthology.
Speaker 1: With me from Austin is Tony Savaggio, lead singer and
Speaker 1: bassis of the band Deserts of Mars and lead guitars
Speaker 1: of the band Rise from Fire. Say Hello, Tony Howdy.
Speaker 1: Also in Austin, Mister Drew Edwards is the writer creator
Speaker 1: of the long running underground comic Halloween Man, which you
Speaker 1: can find at Global Comics. He is a Best Writer
Speaker 1: Ringo nominee, Austin Chronicle Best of Austin Award winner and
Speaker 1: a member of the Pen America Fellowship. Say Hello, Drew, Hello, Hello.
Speaker 1: And finally, also in Denver, color commentary from Julia Guzman
Speaker 1: of Guzman Immigration of Denversity.
Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, everybody.
Speaker 1: Hello. What is it that the ghost in this always says?
Speaker 1: What her tagline? It's something like I hate this, I.
Speaker 3: Hate this world, this world, which if I had thought about,
Speaker 3: I guess I would have said that during the.
Speaker 1: It's so it's so great, it's so on point, it's
Speaker 1: so not you know, it's not an exaggeration. It's such
Speaker 1: a fun it's such a funny tagline because it says
Speaker 1: I hate this. It's such a funny thing for a
Speaker 1: ghost to say. All right. Dead Talent Society is a
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four Taiwanese horror comedy film directed and co
Speaker 1: written by John Hu. Set in a fictional underworld where
Speaker 1: ghosts can linger in the mortal realm by competing to
Speaker 1: haunt humans. The film follows the rookie as she embarks
Speaker 1: on a journey to find her own uniqueness under the
Speaker 1: tutelage of a passionate agent and a diva who has
Speaker 1: sort of fallen fallen on hard times, she's losing her luster.
Speaker 1: The film had its world premiere in June of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four at the Type A Film Festival. It was
Speaker 1: released theatrically on August seventh and Taiwan. We're gonna start
Speaker 1: with Tony on opening thoughts. Tony, how did you stumble
Speaker 1: across this movie? By the way, it's on Netflix, so
Speaker 1: everybody can watch it, But how did you wind up
Speaker 1: watching it?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I saw it at Fantastic Fest and I liked it
Speaker 5: enough I almost like changed the slot so I can
Speaker 5: watch it again because I just really, I don't know.
Speaker 5: It checks all the boxes for me. You know, it's
Speaker 5: got the kind of behind the scenes underworld stuff that
Speaker 5: Beatle Juice. It's the first one kind of hints at
Speaker 5: and the second one takes more of you know, we
Speaker 5: learn more about it, But that kind of behind the
Speaker 5: scenes in the underworld aspect of it I really like. Plus,
Speaker 5: you know, a satire of the entertainment industry, and then
Speaker 5: also a lot of really kind of touching moments, you
Speaker 5: know about found family, and you know, it's got the
Speaker 5: old Hollywood new Hollywood vibe. But yeah, I've been waiting
Speaker 5: for it. I'm just hoping it comes out. You know,
Speaker 5: somebody would pick it up and looks, you know, Sony
Speaker 5: did so that we could all see it. When it
Speaker 5: hit Netflix, I was like, this is the next movie
Speaker 5: we have to do you have a waiting excellent?
Speaker 1: Excellent. Well I'm I'm so glad. I just found myself
Speaker 1: so so touched by this. So thank you very much. Julia.
Speaker 1: Opening thoughts.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a fun movie. It was surprising. I didn't
Speaker 6: know what to expect. I hadn't looked into it at
Speaker 6: Also watching it, I was pretty surprised by everything. Like
Speaker 6: I was, I didn't even know. I knew nothing, so
Speaker 6: I didn't even know that they were that they were
Speaker 6: all dead at the beginning. So when you see them
Speaker 6: on the talk show, you're like, is this somebody that
Speaker 6: pretends like it? Because I thought they were maybe social
Speaker 6: media influencers who are pretending to be ghosts, but no,
Speaker 6: they're actual ghosts. So it's a lot of fun to
Speaker 6: watch the interactions of these people in the afterlife, and
Speaker 6: then the social media people and the people who visit
Speaker 6: the room four fourteen in the who are a lot
Speaker 6: and how just everybody's just caught up in their own,
Speaker 6: you know stuff. They'll have their own issues. It's very
Speaker 6: The characters are really entertaining. It dragged a little bit
Speaker 6: for me kind of the first half.
Speaker 2: I kind of felt like it went on a little long.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 6: I feel like there was something missing in the first half.
Speaker 6: But I did enjoy I did enjoy the stories, and
Speaker 6: I enjoyed the characters.
Speaker 1: A lot wonderful. Thank you very much, and we can
Speaker 1: we can talk about structure a little bit, Uh Drew,
Speaker 1: what about you?
Speaker 4: Uh So, Yeah, I went in pretty much blind as well.
Speaker 4: I guess I was expecting something a little different because
Speaker 4: Tony had made the comparison the Beetlejuice, and I do
Speaker 4: get that.
Speaker 3: But I feel like.
Speaker 4: That this movie has a melancholy quality to it that
Speaker 4: none of Tim films really have, Like they're more, I guess,
Speaker 4: gleefully macabre, whereas this has like a more sober, you know,
Speaker 4: contemplative quality about it, which I'm not saying either is
Speaker 4: right or wrong, by the way, I just I just
Speaker 4: found the tone to be slightly different.
Speaker 3: Because this is this is asking questions about itself. I
Speaker 3: really really liked it.
Speaker 4: I think it's a very clever movie, and I think
Speaker 4: it's a very very good send up of life in.
Speaker 3: The entertainment industry.
Speaker 4: And you know how you can kind of be on
Speaker 4: top one second, and you know, you could feel like
Speaker 4: the world is passing you by the next But I
Speaker 4: also found, you know a lot of the stuff that
Speaker 4: they do to be interesting, like that, like how the
Speaker 4: the the ghosts eat the food, like eat the food
Speaker 4: that's and offered to them like on their birthday, which
Speaker 4: is very you know, kind of similar to what what
Speaker 4: you know we have in in Texas and in Mexico
Speaker 4: with the you know, day of the Dead kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: But I thought, I thought the way it was used
Speaker 4: here was was interesting. I kind of wish that there
Speaker 4: was a few world building questions that they would would
Speaker 4: have answered, because there were.
Speaker 3: I'll save those thoughts for.
Speaker 4: When it you know, we inevitably get to get to
Speaker 4: discussing certain aspects of it.
Speaker 3: But there were there are a few things.
Speaker 4: That I I felt like that they could have clarified
Speaker 4: a bit more. But overall, like a really enjoyable, interesting movie.
Speaker 4: And you know, thanks thanks for bringing this to us, Tony,
Speaker 4: because this was this was a fun watch.
Speaker 5: By the way, the eating and the fact that they
Speaker 5: have a cell phone, like, oh, that cell phone is
Speaker 5: the only one they burnt for me, there's a whole
Speaker 5: cottage industry of replica of you know, items that you
Speaker 5: burn that then will follow you into the afterlife. I
Speaker 5: love the cars, and like, there's a whole yeah, I
Speaker 5: mean you can read about it, but but that's the
Speaker 5: whole thing. You know. She has a cell phone because
Speaker 5: her parents, you know, did an offering of a cell phone,
Speaker 5: and all of that stuff is very you know, it's
Speaker 5: East Asian kind of.
Speaker 1: Isn't it wonderful? Though? I mean interrupted you.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, Tony, no, no, but you know, a lot
Speaker 5: and a lot of the ghost tropes kind of you
Speaker 5: know follow like like you know, before we're pregaming, and
Speaker 5: Drew pointed out, like some of the tropes come from
Speaker 5: Jay Horror, some of them come from some Korean horror
Speaker 5: movies and stuff, and so they're kind of taking all
Speaker 5: of that into account in a movie from Taiwan. It's
Speaker 5: also interesting that, you know, this movie also looks great.
Speaker 5: There was a time in kind of martial arts movie
Speaker 5: where movies where Taiwan's action was kind of seen as
Speaker 5: not maybe as as respected. They're still there's great stuff,
Speaker 5: but there was a people kind of thought of it
Speaker 5: as tiered, you know, like, oh, well, you know, really
Speaker 5: good stuff is Hong Kong and you know whatever, and
Speaker 5: so but you know, as you can see, Taiwane Cinema
Speaker 5: is going strong and making cool movies.
Speaker 1: Oh. Absolutely, it's beautiful. It looks it looks really great.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about the burning of the offerings because
Speaker 1: you know, some places you'll go, you'll see you'll see
Speaker 1: the offerings laid out. And I remember in Singapore going
Speaker 1: to a whole exhibit about this, and so you know,
Speaker 1: as you said, there's a whole the same way that
Speaker 1: will buy an Easter basket. You know, you can buy
Speaker 1: a basket of offerings for your loved one and it'll
Speaker 1: have a little little paper beer and little paper cigarettes
Speaker 1: and little beer. And if you think about it, what's
Speaker 1: wonderful about that is it means you get when you
Speaker 1: buy the things, when you burn the things, you can remember.
Speaker 1: You know, what I remember about about this loved one was,
Speaker 1: you know how much they liked this magazine and how
Speaker 1: much thing like your cigars, and they liked this particular
Speaker 1: brand of beer. I remember them specifically, and and I'm
Speaker 1: sending these things to them. And I don't care if
Speaker 1: you don't actually believe that. Literally, there's a there's something
Speaker 1: wonderful and true in the in.
Speaker 5: The practice, in the remembrance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fantastic, isn't it.
Speaker 6: I rewatching Shunkchi the other day and Aquafina's grandma in
Speaker 6: the movie, she sets uh for the for her husband.
Speaker 6: She sets out a bunch of stuff and that she
Speaker 6: said that she put like his favorite alcohol on his grave.
Speaker 2: I guess it was.
Speaker 6: And she goes and the next day it was gone, so.
Speaker 1: Hard, so wonderful. The first thing I wanted to talk
Speaker 1: about here, and I don't even know if it's the
Speaker 1: main it's certainly one of the main themes of the film,
Speaker 1: but it's it's not the one that I see written
Speaker 1: about as much. But it really touched me. Oh wait,
Speaker 1: we're still doing our opening thoughts? Did or did we
Speaker 1: get all the way through them? I? I did? Did? I?
Speaker 2: We were on you?
Speaker 1: So we're on me? Okay? All right? Then good? Thank goodness.
Speaker 1: So the big lesson. You know, if you're listening to
Speaker 1: this and for some reason you're listening to this show
Speaker 1: before actually watching the movie. The main character is a
Speaker 1: is a girl that will call the Rookie. She is
Speaker 1: a girl who, we come to find out, spent her
Speaker 1: whole life chasing goals, none of which she actually managed
Speaker 1: to accomplish. And she had all these different goals including
Speaker 1: you know, maybe graduate from college, and she kind of didn't, didn't.
Speaker 1: She kind of washed out of that, and you know,
Speaker 1: she couldn't become a musician. And as as she grows up,
Speaker 1: all the things that she was hoping to do just
Speaker 1: sort of fell away. And I now, as a ghost,
Speaker 1: all of those all those problems are haunting her in
Speaker 1: a sense. As a ghost, she still has things she
Speaker 1: wants to accomplish, or rather she feels like she'll only
Speaker 1: be a good person or a real person and if
Speaker 1: she accomplishes things. And so as I was watching this,
Speaker 1: I really wanted to just hug this poor girl and
Speaker 1: just say, look, you don't have to do anything you
Speaker 1: you know, you're a complete person. Even if that's the.
Speaker 6: Lessons she learns, because that's what she tells the baby
Speaker 6: at the end.
Speaker 5: Yes, well, it's also compounded by the fact her sister
Speaker 5: is you know, as good at everything, or at least
Speaker 5: so she from her eyes. Oh look, you know, everything
Speaker 5: she does turns the gold and I am you know,
Speaker 5: losing is her It is her perspective, which is you know,
Speaker 5: terrible kind of burden. I tell it as well, because
Speaker 5: I you know, I have a band that's like we're
Speaker 5: reaching people, but you still like is other people in
Speaker 5: the scene or like so much further ahead, and you're like,
Speaker 5: what could I do? What can I change?
Speaker 3: I could?
Speaker 5: I think it's a universal thing for all of us
Speaker 5: who are creative. It's like, what can I do that
Speaker 5: that gets me to that that next step or whatever?
Speaker 6: You tell the tell the listener, tell the little listeners
Speaker 6: to what you were saying before we got on about
Speaker 6: how the girl died the main carriage.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, well, you know, we close to the end,
Speaker 5: we find out that there was an earth like we
Speaker 5: we don't know how she died, but there's prominently throughout
Speaker 5: the movie there there's she keeps coming back to this
Speaker 5: cabinet full of her sister's trophies, and she has this
Speaker 5: one basically you know you're doing good like trophies certificate, certificate,
Speaker 5: her dad certificate. Yeah, and we find out then also
Speaker 5: she found out that her dad made it like she
Speaker 5: never actually won anything. But when we find out how
Speaker 5: she's killed. I kind of noticed it, but Rain put
Speaker 5: it even better, like, uh, you know something I hadn't
Speaker 5: thought about since the first time I saw it. You
Speaker 5: know this past September. He said, Well, she's literally crushed
Speaker 5: by the expectations of her parents. Now, her parents don't
Speaker 5: really her parents kind of are okay with her not
Speaker 5: being that, but she feels like they don't, like there's
Speaker 5: no way she can compete with her sister.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because her last her last goal crosses out that
Speaker 6: as not having met It was to be a good daughter.
Speaker 2: Right, She's crushed. Yeah, because in the earthquake, she's.
Speaker 6: Crushed by the by the the shelves that they have
Speaker 6: the trophies on them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I thought Rain pointed that out, and I
Speaker 5: was like, that's tough. You know, all of that.
Speaker 4: This is this is when I when I say this
Speaker 4: movie has kind of a melancholy quality, like this stuff
Speaker 4: is the stuff that I am referring to, you know,
Speaker 4: this whole And I have mixed feelings about some of
Speaker 4: the messaging here, But like I I I do think
Speaker 4: in terms of a character art, what's done is largely satisfying.
Speaker 4: And I love the idea of the way the movie
Speaker 4: ends with a ghost talking to a baby that you know,
Speaker 4: because it's somebody that's living with a baby. Right now,
Speaker 4: I am constantly wondering if she sees things that as
Speaker 4: we don't see as adults because she's like little, she'll
Speaker 4: look the certain things and she seems like she's reacting
Speaker 4: to something not there. So like that little bit of
Speaker 4: her talking to a baby, you know, just was.
Speaker 3: Was delightful for me.
Speaker 5: I did think about you and how you know she's
Speaker 5: she's there and her at the end, she's there in
Speaker 5: her niece's life in a way that in a different capacity,
Speaker 5: and uh, and I thought that, but I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 5: I forgot. I'd forgotten that kind of the ending of that.
Speaker 5: And I was like, ah, man, I can't wait to
Speaker 5: talk to you about this because it is it's really
Speaker 5: touching and fascinating and yeah, you know, but.
Speaker 4: It's also very it's also very bitter sweet too, And
Speaker 4: that's I think if I were to describe this movie
Speaker 4: in one word, that's actually the word that I would choose,
Speaker 4: is that it is very bittersweet, like it's it's you know,
Speaker 4: like you know everything you know, not just her relationship
Speaker 4: with her her still living family, but you know, her
Speaker 4: relationship with you know, the ghosts and the hotel that
Speaker 4: she becomes part of their crew, and you know, there's
Speaker 4: this whole you know side plot with you know, the
Speaker 4: one the one ghosts that's that's that's pining for the
Speaker 4: the ghost from from Room four fourteen, and you know,
Speaker 4: it's this unrequited love thing. And then there's also even
Speaker 4: the relationship between the two Diva ghosts, like they they
Speaker 4: started out as a mentor mentee relationship, but now it's
Speaker 4: just gone so far a field of itself and.
Speaker 6: I and there's the heartbreaking like Cocoa thing of being forgotten,
Speaker 6: you know, and like feeling like you're.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm so glad that you said Coco because that
Speaker 4: is that is something I thought about a lot during
Speaker 4: this movie.
Speaker 1: You know, can somebody explain all of that? Both yes
Speaker 1: and here go ahead. Yeah.
Speaker 6: So, so she when she first comes into the afterlife
Speaker 6: and she comes on this stage of like this talent
Speaker 6: show type of thing where they're like, okay, who's going
Speaker 6: to show us, you know, if that they deserve to
Speaker 6: be here. Basically she doesn't have any talents. Like she
Speaker 6: just is saying, you know, I hate this world and
Speaker 6: she kind of puts her arms up and that's it.
Speaker 6: Like there, because it's like also it's like Monsters Inc.
Speaker 6: Where they have they have to scare people. To be
Speaker 6: a live people, they have to scare them. And so
Speaker 6: if you're going to stick around, you're not going to disappear.
Speaker 6: You need to earn your basically scare card or whatever
Speaker 6: they called it. Yes, hunting license, thank you.
Speaker 1: It's the worst most people go.
Speaker 6: But so mostly so so so up until the point
Speaker 6: where nothing where the humans are, the living people aren't
Speaker 6: moving on past your loss, you're okay. But once they
Speaker 6: start moving on, you have to now go back and
Speaker 6: make an impact on living people by haunting them, because
Speaker 6: otherwise you're going to disappear. And it's like the disappearing
Speaker 6: thing is kind of there were so many things that
Speaker 6: I thought of watching the film. The disappearing thing is
Speaker 6: kind of like Back to the Future where she looks
Speaker 6: at her hands and they just start like, you know,
Speaker 6: kind of.
Speaker 1: I don't remember what.
Speaker 6: She's glitching, yeslit right, So anyway, so in order to
Speaker 6: become solid, at least temporarily, you have to be able
Speaker 6: to haunt, and so you have to be good. You
Speaker 6: have to have good talents for that. That's what the
Speaker 6: that's the whole talent part of the title. And so
Speaker 6: so when Coco, of course, the deal was in the afterlife,
Speaker 6: people have to keep remembering you every day of the
Speaker 6: dead because with a friend, us and whatever, because if
Speaker 6: they don't remember you, if the living don't remember you,
Speaker 6: then you will you will disappear from the afterlife. So
Speaker 6: it's the same thing here. It's like if they've moved on,
Speaker 6: then you need to go back and be able to
Speaker 6: affect more people by hunting them.
Speaker 5: But it's it's even like the send up of entertainment
Speaker 5: is it's not just that you have to haunt people
Speaker 5: if you need this license. Instead the only people giving
Speaker 5: out the license, it's it's a popularity contest. You have
Speaker 5: to basically be you have to be a ghost influencer
Speaker 5: or our celebrity in order to.
Speaker 6: Get living popular living like you literally have to be
Speaker 6: getting views with the living right.
Speaker 1: Well, and that's one of the problems. Oh go ahead.
Speaker 4: It is a really clever you know when you think
Speaker 4: about like what ghost stories are and how like if
Speaker 4: somebody does have a ghost story surrounding their death, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know you might be talking about this person fifty sixty,
Speaker 4: hell even hundreds of years after their death, and you know,
Speaker 4: so that is a way of being remembered. Well, Beyond
Speaker 4: your Mortal Coil. What I would have liked to seeing
Speaker 4: clarify is they have this one sort of like head
Speaker 4: ghost type figure who also seems to have some kind
Speaker 4: of power over making people, you know, vanish into ghost. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: the chair ghost. And I would have liked a little
Speaker 4: bit more clarification as to how that all worked at
Speaker 4: some point like that that because I feel like this
Speaker 4: was a very smart take on ghosts, but that not
Speaker 4: really being explained, like how there is even a head
Speaker 4: ghost kind of bugged me.
Speaker 3: But that's that's a mild criticism, mind you, because I think, no.
Speaker 1: No, that makes sense. I think he I think he
Speaker 1: is basically in another movie, he is basically a judge
Speaker 1: of the underworld. There's all kinds of judges of the
Speaker 1: underworld and they are basically they are basically like unto gods,
Speaker 1: but what they do is dole out justice. And it's
Speaker 1: but because this is a parody of today's entertainment world,
Speaker 1: he's he's a like sort of award award major d
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because because there's also the Judge of the underworld.
Speaker 5: Uh in the.
Speaker 1: Priest lea yes with his big with his big fly hat,
Speaker 1: with the big ears and everything.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, because that's a more traditional what what
Speaker 5: you'd expect the Judge of the Underworld to look like
Speaker 5: in Yes culture, but that you know that one where
Speaker 5: Brisley is in the Underworld, the same same idea just modernized.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 5: So I didn't mind that there's not a real explanation because,
Speaker 5: like Jason said, it kind of is that And in
Speaker 5: the same way that I don't really need, like going
Speaker 5: back to Beetlejuice in their whole setup, I don't really
Speaker 5: need to know how the CEO of Underworld there works
Speaker 5: to me. I mean, I get, I get where you're
Speaker 5: coming from, Drew totally, but like it didn't really didn't
Speaker 5: bother me because because like I said, he is you know,
Speaker 5: Jason said, he's like one of the judges. He's just
Speaker 5: the modern version of that. So he's the popular chair gase.
Speaker 5: I mean, I.
Speaker 3: Got what he represented.
Speaker 4: I just want to know how, you know, how this
Speaker 4: all It just left me one and you know, like
Speaker 4: it's sometimes showing less is more, but in this instance,
Speaker 4: it just made me go.
Speaker 5: I guess he got there by climbing the rungs to
Speaker 5: be the most popular. You know, he is the guy.
Speaker 5: He's like the Wheeler because his whole deal is wheeler Dealer. Hey,
Speaker 5: I'm popular.
Speaker 3: Like well, yeah, he's like a like a slick movie producer.
Speaker 6: And he's probably just as susceptible to getting dethroned as
Speaker 6: the diva is, you know, the diva.
Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know, I don't I don't think. I mean,
Speaker 1: now we're talking about on the head of a pin, right,
Speaker 1: But I don't think chair Ghost is going to be
Speaker 1: you know, crackled up like that. I think that he's
Speaker 1: he's something else. I mean, and but but.
Speaker 5: It's interesting that that as opposed to the kind of
Speaker 5: the fading or whatever we have, since it's such a
Speaker 5: modern take. Their glitches are video, yes, yeah, the point
Speaker 5: whether they are like you know, uh, color bar signals
Speaker 5: when they really fade out. Yeah, I thought that was
Speaker 5: really that.
Speaker 4: Also, that also to me fit well with the whole
Speaker 4: concept of you know, urban legends and kind of poking
Speaker 4: from at the ring and you know, things of that nature.
Speaker 4: And I do like this whole haunting industry set up,
Speaker 4: Like they even have their their kind of I would
Speaker 4: almost call them like anti beauty standards because like they
Speaker 4: have right, but it's makeup that exists to make you
Speaker 4: look more grotesque.
Speaker 3: Sure, and like that that to me was a.
Speaker 4: Again like a really good kind of sort of hypocritical
Speaker 4: beauty standards.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Well, and the urban legends thing is part of the deal,
Speaker 6: because the whole thing is that in order to get
Speaker 6: all the views, it's because they've they've got an urban
Speaker 6: legend that's still and that people are actually wanting to
Speaker 6: track down. So at the end and that like the
Speaker 6: last third or whatever the movie, they have an influencer
Speaker 6: who's the non believer or whatever, and he's like, I'm
Speaker 6: going to take on two urban engines at once. I'm
Speaker 6: going to watch the video that calls in that one
Speaker 6: ghost chick, and I'm going to go to the hotel
Speaker 6: and do the what was the challenge that they.
Speaker 1: Called it the Lucky Hotel, Yeah, the Lucky the.
Speaker 2: Right ton of fun.
Speaker 6: Actually the hotel actually has two because it also has
Speaker 6: the girl in room four or fourteen, But they didn't
Speaker 6: even talk about that one.
Speaker 5: Well, that's even more slight against Catherine. I know her
Speaker 5: room is no longer like she haunts a room that
Speaker 5: we should go back to that. But you know, I
Speaker 5: also like that a couple of points though too if
Speaker 5: your listeners, like there is a melancholy element, but it
Speaker 5: never gets in the way of pure hijinks, Like there's
Speaker 5: a bunch of like it's also a hinks movie where
Speaker 5: you like happy music and high steaks.
Speaker 1: And we'll talk about the Yeah.
Speaker 5: But also I also like the hierarchy of the ghost
Speaker 5: you know, we're talking about our but legends. Like there's
Speaker 5: the ghost like I laughed when they're interact there at
Speaker 5: the park, and then there's the toilet ghosts, and their
Speaker 5: whole thing is you know, these poor these poor people
Speaker 5: have to haunt the toilet like you know, a house
Speaker 5: and in the park and all the other ghosts go,
Speaker 5: oh they smell. And I don't like the toilet ghosts.
Speaker 5: And also the haunting. I really like the element of like,
Speaker 5: you know, there's there's a foot thing that's moving like
Speaker 5: a workout kind of slash, you know, playset kind of thing,
Speaker 5: and it's just it's built to be real creepy to
Speaker 5: anybody just sees the movie, but it's just her just
Speaker 5: kind of hanging out nonchalantly.
Speaker 2: It's like a swing but with like a Nordic trek.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I just thought it was you know, to
Speaker 5: people as oh, and they build it up. I just
Speaker 5: there's a lot of clever stuff saying.
Speaker 1: Well, no, I maybe Drew can talk about this because
Speaker 1: he was talking about it before, but it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: whoever wants to. One of the interesting things that they
Speaker 1: do in this is that to enable any of the
Speaker 1: tricks that the ghosts do, like, for instance, the Jessica
Speaker 1: I think it is, Yeah, Jessica has this trick where
Speaker 1: she's she gets closer every time the lights flicker in
Speaker 1: a hallway, and the commentator is since she does this
Speaker 1: for the show, the commentator is comment on how this
Speaker 1: is done the way that one might comment on a
Speaker 1: on an Olympic event.
Speaker 6: Something just on special effects in movies. Yes, but yeah,
Speaker 6: because they just have they just have doubles and that
Speaker 6: are like, you know, popping out of doorways.
Speaker 2: It's super cute.
Speaker 1: And they say this stuff where they go things like yeah,
Speaker 1: the team has to be moving and lockstep excellent clockwork,
Speaker 1: team work to accomplish such a complicated like like you know,
Speaker 1: it was really really neat just to just to see
Speaker 1: that happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was that was very cute. I like that
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 5: I just I also like the setup of again going
Speaker 5: back to the kind of hierarchy I was talking about,
Speaker 5: where you have the ghosts that hamp the toilets and stuff.
Speaker 5: There's there's also a hierarchy since it's the entertainment industry. Uh,
Speaker 5: you know, we have our our talent agency with our
Speaker 5: former boy band or our idol. Uh. You know, we
Speaker 5: don't know that at first, but you know, he kind
Speaker 5: of takes pity on ghosts that aren't going to be
Speaker 5: as popular and kind of that's his that's the point
Speaker 5: of his talent agency.
Speaker 6: Because someone took pity on him when he was too
Speaker 6: good looking, too good looking to be scary.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: All.
Speaker 5: I really like that kind of setup and and they
Speaker 5: you know, it goes with the kind of underdog and.
Speaker 1: Everybody loves because at.
Speaker 5: Any point you could become the underdog because you know,
Speaker 5: for for a long time, Catherine is the like she's
Speaker 5: the scariest you know, hotel goes, the biggest urban legend everything.
Speaker 5: And how it's funny too because she's immortal, but she's
Speaker 5: an old she thought of as old. Right, you stay
Speaker 5: the same, but you're also aging out of your popularity
Speaker 5: even even dress old fashioned.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could be old news basically, even if you're.
Speaker 2: So scary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's so many ways that this movie sort of
Speaker 1: keeps folding in on itself as far as metaphor versus
Speaker 1: what the story is actually about. And then again it's
Speaker 1: metaphor so that you know, like like we say, ghosts
Speaker 1: are eternal, right, but there's still a need for novelty,
Speaker 1: And so you're right, Julia, they send subtle signals that
Speaker 1: she's old fashioned by having her dress dress more.
Speaker 6: She's dressed like she's from the forties. But you know what,
Speaker 6: I thought, she was so scary. That was actually the
Speaker 6: scariest thing in the movie to me is when we
Speaker 6: we meet her because a person like like like Tony said,
Speaker 6: we get introduced to this whole idea because a person
Speaker 6: comes into the hotel room and they hear there's like
Speaker 6: a weird picture. It's a young woman, you know, and
Speaker 6: she's clearly an actor. She's there to make a movie
Speaker 6: or something, so she's part of the entertainment as well.
Speaker 6: And so she comes in and sees that the place
Speaker 6: is kind of old and that there's a picture of
Speaker 6: this woman on the wall, and she calls she's talking
Speaker 6: to her agent or whoever, and she's like, oh, this
Speaker 6: room is terrible.
Speaker 2: Why is there picture? This black and white picture on
Speaker 2: the wall.
Speaker 6: And then she hears this thumping in the in the
Speaker 6: closet and uh and this when in the closet doors
Speaker 6: slowly open and you see this person from the back
Speaker 6: and they're hitting their head against the wall and it's
Speaker 6: so scary. It's so scary, and like she kind of
Speaker 6: like starts backing up in this super weird you know
Speaker 6: that that motion where they have filmed, they've acted, they've
Speaker 6: done it backwards, but then they've or they've done it forwards,
Speaker 6: but then they've run it back so it looks super unnatural.
Speaker 6: And then she does backbend and she like has this
Speaker 6: terrifying face and it's just so so scary. So that
Speaker 6: I thought was really effective, but also kind of funny
Speaker 6: when she does that when you actually finally see her face.
Speaker 2: But so, yeah, that was very scary.
Speaker 6: The others, I mean, yeah, it would be scary to
Speaker 6: be there in the moment when somebody like falls off
Speaker 6: the roof or whatever, or they pop, you know, pop
Speaker 6: up behind you in a video all that.
Speaker 2: But that was the most to be The scariest one
Speaker 2: was the Girl the original.
Speaker 5: And I also like that they decided that the rookie
Speaker 5: inner kind of ambiguous two thousand slash almost nineties, you know,
Speaker 5: like cyclical garb where she's baggy, baggy, you know, denim pants, uh,
Speaker 5: kind of s sort of leather jet, leatherman jacket. Yes,
Speaker 5: Like her whole demeanor is like this as not the
Speaker 5: script as possible. They're like, that won't work, but they
Speaker 5: come up with she has the dress as a school girl. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and you know, kick her off a roof is the
Speaker 5: way that she gets. There's also all that, you know,
Speaker 5: there's there's also great montages where they're training to you know,
Speaker 5: because she has. The whole thing is once you start glitching,
Speaker 5: you have thirty days to get your license or else goodbye,
Speaker 5: and you have to renew.
Speaker 1: That's fast by the way to disappear into I guess,
Speaker 1: and to me, it's eternal to be reborn as a
Speaker 1: new soul. Right. So a lot of.
Speaker 6: People prefer A lot of people probably go, I don't
Speaker 6: want to haunt people. I want to go onto whatever's.
Speaker 1: Unquote moving on, right, And I was thinking about this
Speaker 1: about how how interesting it is that even though one
Speaker 1: thing that the movie is is about is a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of people who has embraced the ego which is
Speaker 1: very similar to the ego of show business or I
Speaker 1: guess of having a podcast. Is the ego of needing
Speaker 1: to be seen, to be remembered to what have you?
Speaker 1: Even if the universe is telling you all things have
Speaker 1: a season, you're going to you're going to dissolve into
Speaker 1: the cosmos, you know.
Speaker 5: And there's a big difference because she wants to stick
Speaker 5: around because she wants she feels like she never got
Speaker 5: to be the good daughter. She cares about her parents.
Speaker 5: She wants to see her family. Uh, you know, Jessica
Speaker 5: wants to be the top ghost, like the top Scare
Speaker 5: and Catherine before that. Whereas the other ghosts that glitch
Speaker 5: out that don't get their license removed where you know,
Speaker 5: these guys who were on a mountain, you know, hikers,
Speaker 5: and they wanted to see you know, one of them
Speaker 5: is like, no, I want to see my daughter get
Speaker 5: married if I like like, So they want to stick
Speaker 5: around for those kind of similar So everybody's got their
Speaker 5: own thing and and who knows what little Red hiking
Speaker 5: hood wants.
Speaker 4: YEA.
Speaker 5: Also there when they comment on like oh no, we
Speaker 5: have to dress that. Like, you know, they dressed up
Speaker 5: some some of them in the white kind of robe,
Speaker 5: you know, gown like this this again, you know kind
Speaker 5: of what what's a trope and what's not. It's also,
Speaker 5: you know, really really great. It was on with the
Speaker 5: with the American influencer who's.
Speaker 1: In New York.
Speaker 5: Yes his you know this coming from Taiwan. They still
Speaker 5: nailed exactly that persona, and I thought that was fantastic.
Speaker 6: I love the guy who's just so the workhorse guy
Speaker 6: who comes in and he's working and working and he
Speaker 6: just they're trying to scare him by like messing with
Speaker 6: his laptop and everything, and he's just like so annoyed
Speaker 6: but not.
Speaker 1: Going to go to an internet cafe. Fantastic, Drew, you're back. Hello,
Speaker 1: Well I'll cut this out. But let's see. What have
Speaker 1: we discussed?
Speaker 4: Was what was discussed while I was gone, so I
Speaker 4: don't repeat something somebody already.
Speaker 5: I was talking about the ghost hierarchy, like I thought
Speaker 5: it was interesting that there were the toilet ghosts. And
Speaker 5: then as I heard I heard that was like the
Speaker 5: last thing I heard and before and then talk a
Speaker 5: little bit about the kind of and you know how
Speaker 5: they had to dress her up as a schoolgirl to
Speaker 5: make her because their normal persona isn't isn't she's just
Speaker 5: like this two thousands, nineties looking generic girl. And then uh,
Speaker 5: you know also her the final thing was, you know,
Speaker 5: she wants to stick around because she wants to feel
Speaker 5: close to her family. However, Jessica just wants to be
Speaker 5: the most popular, and Catherine wanted to be the most popular.
Speaker 5: But then you have the other ghosts, like the hiking
Speaker 5: ghosts from Mount Jade, and they wanted to be with
Speaker 5: their family. So everybody's got their own kind of agenda
Speaker 5: as far as why they want to stick around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what we covered.
Speaker 3: Yes, I you know, talking about the costuming.
Speaker 4: I liked how they kind of grounded each one of
Speaker 4: the ghosts in a different time period with how they
Speaker 4: had them breast, but they didn't necessarily linger on that,
Speaker 4: you know, like where it.
Speaker 3: Was like the whole that was their whole.
Speaker 4: Bit, like the like Catherine kind of had like a
Speaker 4: like a nineteen forties kind of quality tour, but they
Speaker 4: didn't you know, linger on that anymore than you know, oh,
Speaker 4: she's kind of a movie star type and you know
Speaker 4: that then the you know kind of her her sort
Speaker 4: of manager character was a nineties pop star, and he
Speaker 4: kind of had that look, but it wasn't like, you know,
Speaker 4: so overwhelming that they had like stuck him in like
Speaker 4: a I don't know, like a.
Speaker 3: Pearl jam t shirt or something I don't know, like idle.
Speaker 5: So yeah, it's really nice because you don't see how
Speaker 5: you don't think about how nineties he is until you
Speaker 5: see his karaoke.
Speaker 1: Video and then you're like absolutely.
Speaker 4: Well the fake mustache that he's wearing and his incognito
Speaker 4: thing kind of also throws a different a different vibe
Speaker 4: on him, like it would be without the without the
Speaker 4: mi stash. For some reason, he looks way much more
Speaker 4: like more like a pop star than then. And I
Speaker 4: loved that his his deal was he was too handsome
Speaker 4: to scare people.
Speaker 5: It's a good you know. What's interesting too, is they
Speaker 5: all have a default that is how they died, how
Speaker 5: they looked when they died. But they can change costumes, yes,
Speaker 5: and that's that's.
Speaker 3: There's even ghost costumers because like one of the conventions of.
Speaker 4: This movie is to be a successful you know, a
Speaker 4: haunter or ghost dress or whatever, you have to have
Speaker 4: like because they're not like beal Juice, Like like Beetlejuice
Speaker 4: has all these supernatural powers, you know, like he can
Speaker 4: he can create things out of air, and he can
Speaker 4: change his shape and everything. These ghosts to create the
Speaker 4: illusion of that have to employ like an entire crew
Speaker 4: of other ghost ghost which really, you know, does feel
Speaker 4: like you know, like a band or a movie crew
Speaker 4: or right well, like the whole idea of you know,
Speaker 4: if you're gonna do something creative, you actually it's actually
Speaker 4: you're sort of reliant on your collaborators and the the
Speaker 4: you know. Like the best example of that in this
Speaker 4: movie is with I'm blanking on her name, but the
Speaker 4: sort of you know, the Haunted Website ghost like she
Speaker 4: she gets other ghosts to dress up like her and
Speaker 4: so that they can look like yeah, like there teleporting
Speaker 4: down a hallway and I just love that, you know.
Speaker 5: One of my favorite sticks is that she has a
Speaker 5: crew of Normally you'd have this like so in the
Speaker 5: Ghost Realm, it's this screw of guys in like black
Speaker 5: spandex with their face painted black so they blind into black,
Speaker 5: but they're.
Speaker 7: Invisible to people, so it's kind of like they still
Speaker 7: have all the tropes, like they're still dressed as Stage
Speaker 7: ten helper people to blend in with the background, but
Speaker 7: they will.
Speaker 5: Always like to humans, they'll always blend in with the background.
Speaker 5: But it's just it was that I really enjoyed because
Speaker 5: they're they're part of the act. Like how how a
Speaker 5: crew would work that way?
Speaker 1: So they're like roadies or like crew of the Afterworld?
Speaker 1: And is that how they have long.
Speaker 5: There's the guy who's the costumer, you know. Yeah, like
Speaker 5: there's like a support cast for everybody.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's it's it's a it's like you said,
Speaker 4: it's it's a send up how you know. You know,
Speaker 4: like if it's a movie, like the movie stars are
Speaker 4: the ones that get all the credit, but it really
Speaker 4: takes like a ton of people to make a movie.
Speaker 4: Or you know, if it's a band, how sometimes there's
Speaker 4: usually like the one band member that is like the
Speaker 4: face of the band. But you can't have a band
Speaker 4: without you know, the other people.
Speaker 3: And I that's interesting.
Speaker 1: That the universe, lets like the universe whoever sets the
Speaker 1: rules has rules like that that there are people who
Speaker 1: don't get dissipated into the afterlife because they're needed to
Speaker 1: run through the Union card.
Speaker 5: Your your card becomes your Union card at that point, right.
Speaker 4: Well, and they they allude that if Catherine goes, they
Speaker 4: all go, right right, that is alluded to several times.
Speaker 3: Like they are they are dependent and people believing that
Speaker 3: that hotel is cursed for.
Speaker 4: Them, and that's why they the share ghost wants them
Speaker 4: to get into these like on these like paranormal shows
Speaker 4: or like paranormal influencers because it gets more people believing
Speaker 4: and ghosts, which you know is good for the ghost
Speaker 4: population as a whole.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, And it's just a lot of really clever things.
Speaker 5: And you know something else I thought was inter thing
Speaker 5: if you if you watch a lot of horror, you
Speaker 5: know from you know, j horror, you know, Korean horror,
Speaker 5: stuff from Taiwan, stuff from Hong Kong. I thought it
Speaker 5: was interesting. They really, I mean I hope that it's
Speaker 5: not essential one, but the woman that casts her friend Camila,
Speaker 5: like they they did her makeup and made it really
Speaker 5: flat and everything so that she has a very classic
Speaker 5: ghost look. And they also have another another common ghost
Speaker 5: look is you'll see the people with the really red
Speaker 5: like like round blush, but it's like super red and
Speaker 5: so there's all these kind of tropes of that. If
Speaker 5: you've watched enough you know, Asian horror, you're like, oh man,
Speaker 5: you know, so I thought it was really cool they
Speaker 5: cast you know, she's great to you. I just like her,
Speaker 5: you know, there their hangout, you know, just their vibe
Speaker 5: is really great. I gotta pay for you again. Like
Speaker 5: it kind of reminded me some martial arts action film.
Speaker 5: I don't pick it up again. That was am I
Speaker 5: drawn a plank. You can cut this, Jason, I'll bring
Speaker 5: it back up. But yeah, cut this. But I just,
Speaker 5: like I said, I just like their their interaction was,
Speaker 5: you know, their friendship is really great. And also you
Speaker 5: know kind of how they developed, like you know, they
Speaker 5: died in different places, they died at different times, like right,
Speaker 5: but now they're their buddies and they you know, they
Speaker 5: ride the buses together, and they did some really clever
Speaker 5: things with uh with you know, playing with who's a
Speaker 5: who's a ghost, and who's a human when they're interacting
Speaker 5: with all of these you know, but they have to
Speaker 5: take the bus. That's really great. There's she needs to
Speaker 5: get to the place and she's like, oh, so she
Speaker 5: gets dragged by a car.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, she has to literally cross.
Speaker 6: It's not like, is how bloody? Like the fact that
Speaker 6: the ghost can be bloody.
Speaker 2: I didn't like that.
Speaker 6: That was because I don't like blunny things, like if
Speaker 6: you like the whole thing of of you know, a
Speaker 6: group of ghosts who died different places, but they are
Speaker 6: now friends than School spirit I know you watch School Spirits,
Speaker 6: but School Spirits is for you. It's such a great
Speaker 6: fun show with you know, same like people who died
Speaker 6: at different times and you don't know sometimes you don't
Speaker 6: even know who's dead who's not because from the ghost perspective,
Speaker 6: they all look kind of the same as the people.
Speaker 6: And so yeah, all of that was fun if you
Speaker 6: like kind of their interaction.
Speaker 5: There's a movie, uh it's so far. There's I think
Speaker 5: three of them if I'm not mistaken. Baby Assassins is
Speaker 5: the name of it. But it's these two assassin girls
Speaker 5: who hang out live together are basically just you know,
Speaker 5: typical ne'er do wells who also were assassins, and their
Speaker 5: interaction kind of reminding me in the kind of side
Speaker 5: way of the Baby Assassin, which are great.
Speaker 1: We should we should talk about other Asian afterlife movies
Speaker 1: that would go well with this, Like you mentioned Bruce Lee,
Speaker 1: which is that is a stupid movie, but it's an
Speaker 1: excellent movie for this purpose, which is called what was
Speaker 1: it was it Bruce Lee in Hell or Bruce Lee
Speaker 1: in the Underworld? I can't remember what that was Called
Speaker 1: Dragon Lives.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Dragon Lives Again is the one you commonly see
Speaker 5: that one.
Speaker 1: What was really cool about Dragon Lives Again? Even though
Speaker 1: again dumb movie, all right, but but it gave you
Speaker 1: a really excellent view of the underworld. Like you know,
Speaker 1: Bruce Lee dies, the underworld super excited that the very
Speaker 1: very famous Bruce Lee is coming, and then uh, he
Speaker 1: is sent back up to the living world for reasons
Speaker 1: that I don't even remember.
Speaker 5: I know, I like that since there's a Bruce plotation movie. Though,
Speaker 5: when they get him down there, they go, yeah, you
Speaker 5: know sometimes when they come down to the underworld they
Speaker 5: look different, so uh, you know, now and now he'll
Speaker 5: the friend pop by ANDAs yeah.
Speaker 1: Well that was the other great thing was yeah, it
Speaker 1: featured Jamescula.
Speaker 5: That's a that's a bonkers movie. I think we did
Speaker 5: an episode.
Speaker 1: We actually did what was called at the time a
Speaker 1: kickback episode or something like that, which.
Speaker 2: Was hangout Hangout episode, Yeah, hangout episode.
Speaker 1: Yes, that was awesome. That was that was really fantastic. Okay,
Speaker 1: so there's that one. Uh boy there. I can't think
Speaker 1: of a lot of great underworld stories anyway, anyway, Kung
Speaker 1: Fu Underworld stories. But if you know, if the listener
Speaker 1: thinks of any of you, you're welcome. You're welcome to
Speaker 1: let us know. Gosh. Okay, so what should we hit.
Speaker 1: We can talk about the We talked about the characters
Speaker 1: and that this being a showbiz satire. Julia brought up
Speaker 1: that this is basically also heavily influenced by All about
Speaker 1: Eve where, you know, because because a big part of
Speaker 1: the story is is the fear on Kathy's part that
Speaker 1: she's going to be supplanted by one of her proteges,
Speaker 1: because one of her proteges.
Speaker 6: It's exactly that I mean with with the with the ghost,
Speaker 6: the video ghost. You know, she starts out being like, oh,
Speaker 6: you're just so great and I love you so much,
Speaker 6: and then it's like she she gets you know, her
Speaker 6: ego takes over and she does eclipse Kathy. And then
Speaker 6: so then Kathy is hesitant to bring on another another
Speaker 6: protegect because She's like, they just keep screwing you. But
Speaker 6: but you know, her heart goes out to the rookie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she has a lot.
Speaker 4: What was I about to say? This is this is
Speaker 4: the theme of the episode. We've all been flashy thing.
Speaker 4: What was I about to say? Because just cut this,
Speaker 4: if it they'll come back to me. Maybe it will.
Speaker 5: So when you come back to.
Speaker 1: The cut, I can go, Okay, go ahead, Tony. Yeah.
Speaker 5: One thing I like also is, you know, so we
Speaker 5: have our kind of final bit where you know, the
Speaker 5: stakes are high, or third act where you have an
Speaker 5: influencer coming in, you know, like we mentioned to see
Speaker 5: the two goos. And I also like that they then
Speaker 5: gave Katherine a really typical kind of martial arts as well,
Speaker 5: where she's kicking and running and like going under. You know,
Speaker 5: she becomes a martial arts actress as well, even though
Speaker 5: that you don't ever get the impression that she was
Speaker 5: that other than she had to train up to do
Speaker 5: her back her exorcist back bins and walks and everything.
Speaker 5: But uh, you know, she's forced to dress up as
Speaker 5: a schoolgirl and of course, like, no the woman dressed
Speaker 5: up as a schoolgirl, you know, even even.
Speaker 3: Though she looks she looks thirty if.
Speaker 5: She was exactly, but like, I just really I enjoyed
Speaker 5: that as well, the kind of high there's there's a
Speaker 5: you know, heist aspect to it. Yes, uh, you know
Speaker 5: those sequences will always get me also put.
Speaker 1: On the outfit is. I know it's probably not on purpose,
Speaker 1: but for me, it was also a callback to like,
Speaker 1: mommy dearist. When Joan Crawford has the temerity to actually
Speaker 1: show up on she takes her daughter's role her daughter,
Speaker 1: and like her daughter's in the hospital like appendicitis or something,
Speaker 1: so Joan Crawford is like I can play her part
Speaker 1: on a soap opera and she's Joan freaking Crawford. She's
Speaker 1: like in her fifties.
Speaker 5: You know, that's just it's just way.
Speaker 1: I guess, I know, I know. Well, the.
Speaker 4: Other thing that that's kind of absurd when they're calling
Speaker 4: out her age is that she's a ghost. So there
Speaker 4: of course she's also ageless.
Speaker 1: Right you know.
Speaker 4: Like honestly, I found Catherine to be the most interesting
Speaker 4: character in this movie, Like I would watch I would
Speaker 4: watch a whole movie just about her because I like
Speaker 4: this idea that she's sort of the the you know,
Speaker 4: was at one point the focal point of this whole
Speaker 4: haunting industry.
Speaker 3: Like she was the biggest yes caused in this this industry.
Speaker 4: And you know because like when when when you know,
Speaker 4: when the movie first got started, I did find myself
Speaker 4: wishing that we could go back and see more of
Speaker 4: the relationship of her and Jessica before it all went wrong,
Speaker 4: because you know, there is this truth in this that
Speaker 4: you know, and I've seen this happen, is that, you know,
Speaker 4: women in the entertainment industry are often pitted against each other,
Speaker 4: and you know, that's just the way it is, you know,
Speaker 4: and instead of being able to lift each other up,
Speaker 4: you know, they're they're they're they're kind of twisted up
Speaker 4: against each other in a way that they can't actually
Speaker 4: be supportive. You know what what I love is by
Speaker 4: the end of the end of this, you know, Catherine
Speaker 4: is showing support to the rookie in her way. I mean,
Speaker 4: she's never completely ceases to have that bit of movie
Speaker 4: star ego, like she you know, when she's giving her
Speaker 4: a compliment, she says, well, you're the second best ghostress,
Speaker 4: and which is great, it's perfectly in character. But at
Speaker 4: least she she's learned a little bit of something. You know,
Speaker 4: she's learned to be supportive and and in a way,
Speaker 4: you know, her taking on you know, the rookies role,
Speaker 4: you know, like to me is almost was almost a
Speaker 4: subversion of mommy, dearist because you know she's doing it
Speaker 4: because she kind of at least the way I took
Speaker 4: it is that she she was trying to save the
Speaker 4: rookie for more anxiety because you know the scene directly
Speaker 4: before that, you know, she goes on the talk show
Speaker 4: with Jessica and Jessica makes a full out of her,
Speaker 4: and that that, you know, to me it was it
Speaker 4: was trying to show that she had actually grown a
Speaker 4: sense of empathy.
Speaker 1: But you know, who knows who knows it's good.
Speaker 5: I also like the actress who plays the rookie is
Speaker 5: really great. Her comedic timing is really great.
Speaker 6: Her comedic timing, but also it's arranged because you know,
Speaker 6: when when you're when she's sad, you're like heartbreaks for her.
Speaker 6: And then when she's being when she's doing the thing
Speaker 6: with the where they put her in the you know,
Speaker 6: in the in the school girl like the doll outfit
Speaker 6: and she's doing her big the big eyes and the grin,
Speaker 6: you know, like Kathy tells her just just look, just
Speaker 6: keep just keep grinning and and don't say anything.
Speaker 2: She looks like a completely different human being. I was
Speaker 2: just like, wow, this is really so it was interesting.
Speaker 5: And that whole bit where she's like, no, no, your nose,
Speaker 5: like make them look like, make it look like.
Speaker 2: You don't care and all su yeah.
Speaker 5: All that, all those bits, she's really good at that.
Speaker 5: Like I was, really I'm really impressed. I mean, the
Speaker 5: whole cast is great, but each person is like really
Speaker 5: honed in on perfect roles there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, Uh, we should probably get our
Speaker 1: final thoughts and you're free to to go in any
Speaker 1: direction you want if there's something that that you feel
Speaker 1: that we didn't hit on. But I mean, this movie
Speaker 1: really needs to be seen, like if I I can't.
Speaker 1: In my mind, I'm thinking inevitably there may well be
Speaker 1: an American remake of this. But but you can see
Speaker 1: this on on Netflix right now, so.
Speaker 3: It's not it's not hard to find.
Speaker 4: If if you are feeling, you know, adventurous enough about
Speaker 4: watching an international film that you have to read Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean, I although I will. It was kind of
Speaker 5: funny because it was showed up front page when it
Speaker 5: was first release, and then we went to go watch it.
Speaker 5: You kind of had to dig a little bit more
Speaker 5: than I thought, and I was kind of disappointed in that.
Speaker 5: I again, I was really lucky to know. That's part
Speaker 5: of the magic of Fantastic Fests And why I like
Speaker 5: covering it for for the show is to you know,
Speaker 5: be able to go, hey, watch for this movie. You know,
Speaker 5: there's a lot of great stuff that gets shown and
Speaker 5: some of it gets picked up and some of it doesn't.
Speaker 5: So when I saw this, I'm just so happy that
Speaker 5: I can finally share it, and I hope more people
Speaker 5: share it because I think it's got It's got a
Speaker 5: you know, it's the funny parts are really funny, and
Speaker 5: the heartbreaking parts just full of like oh no, you know,
Speaker 5: you feel for for everyone, and the satire is just
Speaker 5: spot on for the entertainment industry. It's also shows that
Speaker 5: the entertainment industry, uh, the film industry is not so
Speaker 5: different no matter where you are, right like, once you
Speaker 5: reach a certain level, all of the same kind of
Speaker 5: things happen, you know. And also it's got the flavor
Speaker 5: because of the way Catherine's character is it's got an
Speaker 5: old Hollywood new Hollywood feel as well it's from Taiwan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well soon, thank you very much, Uh, Julia, I mean,
Speaker 1: what what what else have we not mentioned that might
Speaker 1: be worth bringing to people's attention? Can just give us
Speaker 1: your final.
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, we didn't really talk about how it ends,
Speaker 6: how the story ends.
Speaker 2: I didn't love the ending.
Speaker 6: I don't love the because I don't like the bloody
Speaker 6: stuff and I don't like I didn't love that. I
Speaker 6: thought it was kind of a little bit silly. The
Speaker 6: way they wrapped it up with the group just kind
Speaker 6: of being like chasing this.
Speaker 1: I thought that was cute.
Speaker 6: I thought it was okay, it was It's not my
Speaker 6: favorite part I love. I did love though, the very
Speaker 6: the little button ending where she's talking to the baby,
Speaker 6: niece or nephew, whatever it is, that was super cute.
Speaker 6: She's like, you don't have to be anything, just to
Speaker 6: be whatever whoever you want to be.
Speaker 2: That was cute.
Speaker 6: So but but no, I think it's Yeah. I think
Speaker 6: it's really a fun, fun and creative project. I don't
Speaker 6: I've never seen anything quite like this, So, you know,
Speaker 6: it has pieces of other things like it has like
Speaker 6: I said, monsters Ink a little bit, and Coco a
Speaker 6: little bit, and various ghosts, lots of ghost store you know,
Speaker 6: ghost movies and some some comedies and not some heartbreaking parts.
Speaker 6: But so it has a lot of neat things going
Speaker 6: for it and I enjoyed it.
Speaker 5: Well the ending part also where it's they didn't technically win,
Speaker 5: but then they end up causing a big that influence
Speaker 5: was part of an appeasement ceremony, so like an exorcism ceremony,
Speaker 5: and that brings you know, national and international attention to ghosts,
Speaker 5: and so yeah, without that kind of cultural touch point,
Speaker 5: it's you know, it's a big deal. Like I kind
Speaker 5: of get where you're coming from, but also like that's
Speaker 5: you know, hey, look what you did caused a net
Speaker 5: benefit for all ghosts rather than you just win it.
Speaker 5: And did you watch the post credits?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 5: I told everybody to watch the post credits.
Speaker 1: I just can't remember what was I watched, but I
Speaker 1: watched it.
Speaker 5: No, you've got to go back, Jason Philia. Then.
Speaker 4: But the other thing about them, you know, chasing the
Speaker 4: people down, I think there was even though it does
Speaker 4: give them a sort of victory, even before that, you know,
Speaker 4: it's talking about doing something just for the joy of it,
Speaker 4: you know, which is you know, kind of the getting
Speaker 4: back to the celebration of the creative spirit, which is
Speaker 4: often lost when we, you know, when we get competitive
Speaker 4: with other people in the same field as us. And
Speaker 4: you know, so I think there is a purpose there,
Speaker 4: you know. And and as Tony says, when one of
Speaker 4: us wins, we all win. So I I I liked
Speaker 4: I liked banding myself as well.
Speaker 1: So I loved the ending. I thought it was really sweet,
Speaker 1: and it reminded me of a lot of movies, you know,
Speaker 1: especially with with a sort of group of misfits who
Speaker 1: finally have you know, a big fun event, even if
Speaker 1: it won't really won't necessarily amount to much, won't necessarily
Speaker 1: pay off in any particular way. You know, it's not
Speaker 1: going to keep them from from slipping into I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it does work out for them pretty well here.
Speaker 1: But the whole lesson of the film is supposed to
Speaker 1: come back to us as people as mortals, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's the journey and if if you
Speaker 1: don't accomplish the things you wanted to accomplish, really it's
Speaker 1: it's okay. You're you're you're fine. I do want to
Speaker 1: bring to your attention something that that John Shu said
Speaker 1: in an interview with a words Watch where he said, uh,
Speaker 1: he goes. He said that making the movie was like therapy.
Speaker 1: And he said because everybody had been from different situations,
Speaker 1: some of them have been seen and some of them
Speaker 1: have never really been seen, and then some had had
Speaker 1: fame and then lost it. And he said it was
Speaker 1: like group therapy to deal with these characters. And he says,
Speaker 1: I think after I finished the script, I found how
Speaker 1: I should deal with that, and I'm actually thinking about
Speaker 1: not being a director for a while. And I thought,
Speaker 1: what an interesting, what a what a wonderful observation that
Speaker 1: that you know, to him, this was really about people
Speaker 1: grappling with what they're supposed to be doing in the world,
Speaker 1: exactly exactly on its face, what the rookie is dealing. So,
Speaker 1: as I said, I watching it, I spent the whole
Speaker 1: time just really wanting to wanting to comfort this poor
Speaker 1: child who felt like she wasn't measuring up to whatever
Speaker 1: it was that was expected of her. I I have
Speaker 1: to say, once I was in a I was in
Speaker 1: a therapy session myself and a therapist said to me,
Speaker 1: you have to you have to grapple with the question
Speaker 1: of whether you are a human doing or a human being,
Speaker 1: meaning are you does your isness come from accomplishing things?
Speaker 1: And I was like, what the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Of course my isness comes from accomplishing things. What do
Speaker 1: you mean? What the fuck is a human being? I
Speaker 1: was even mad that you would not even ask the question,
Speaker 1: like I'm in the middle of a program here, like
Speaker 1: what would And but I've continued to grapple with it.
Speaker 1: And I saw this movie Grappling with It, and that
Speaker 1: was pretty wonderful.
Speaker 4: Of complicated or complicated feelings towards the messaging around some
Speaker 4: of this thought.
Speaker 3: But you know, like I do think.
Speaker 4: It's it's saying something that's probably necessary. But I also
Speaker 4: feel like, perhaps we also shouldn't judge people for being
Speaker 4: ambitious either. Well, so I you know, but you know,
Speaker 4: also it should it should be okay to be unambitious,
Speaker 4: so you know, like, you know, the world needs both
Speaker 4: types of people after all.
Speaker 5: But I understand where you're coming from. But I didn't
Speaker 5: take it as an indictment of being unambitious, even though
Speaker 5: she says, hey, you don't have to do that. But
Speaker 5: I think we all from time to time. I mean,
Speaker 5: we're artists, like, you know, we need to hustle, right,
Speaker 5: so so having somebody tell us not to hustle is
Speaker 5: kind of an affront. But also sometimes we need to
Speaker 5: tell our selves, like every single waking moment can't be
Speaker 5: the hustle, or else we lose ourselves. Like and so
Speaker 5: I get where you're coming from, Drew, because I'm the
Speaker 5: same way, like I said before, Like there's I'm having
Speaker 5: to deal with a bunch of stuff. We're potentially losing momentum,
Speaker 5: and and like what do I do? There's no fault
Speaker 5: on my own, you know, stuff coming up, and like
Speaker 5: it's frustrating, and it's like and then you know, I
Speaker 5: know a bunch of bands and they're friends, like and
Speaker 5: it's not an envy thing, it's not a jealousy thing.
Speaker 5: But I'm like, oh, man, I have friends who are
Speaker 5: like killing it touring Europe right now, and I want
Speaker 5: that for them, Like I think it's awesome, but I'm
Speaker 5: but you can't help sometimes but to go, man, what
Speaker 5: how what can I do?
Speaker 1: What am I doing?
Speaker 5: I would like that or I would like to sell
Speaker 5: more copies of a thing or sell more shirts or
Speaker 5: you know, whatever you're doing. But I think in general
Speaker 5: the point is, you know that you sometimes have to
Speaker 5: allow yourself to Like her whole life was based on
Speaker 5: I have to be this thing, but her parents didn't
Speaker 5: care that she was not that, even though she thought
Speaker 5: that was it, because she's comparing herself to her sister
Speaker 5: and that seemed to be like, well, my parents care
Speaker 5: more about her, even though that's not true. So I
Speaker 5: totally do get where you're coming from. An ambition shouldn't be,
Speaker 5: you know, seen as if you're doing it altruistically and.
Speaker 4: Not you know, but yeah, I mean, obviously, the the
Speaker 4: kind of ambition that ultimately we see Jessica have is
Speaker 4: not the kind of ambition that should be lauded because
Speaker 4: she steps on she steps on the people you know
Speaker 4: that helped her.
Speaker 3: And she is not a very nice ghost.
Speaker 1: She's a classic you know, heel basically, you know, and yeah, absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 5: To the point where she takes the other guys to
Speaker 5: have a good stick going, which is why she liked
Speaker 5: them and vouts for them and said, no, no, you're cool,
Speaker 5: but you'd be cooler if you were me. Oh man,
Speaker 5: that's that's you know, that's a lot of you go.
Speaker 5: But I, you know, I do get where you're coming from.
Speaker 5: I guess I didn't see that message in it in
Speaker 5: the same way.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, and I might had I not watched
Speaker 4: it for the show, I might not have thought that
Speaker 4: analytically about it. As I've been saying, when I watch
Speaker 4: movies for the show, I watch it differently than how
Speaker 4: I watch it when I'm watching something just for my enjoyment,
Speaker 4: because I start thinking about, like, well, what I'm actually
Speaker 4: gonna have to talk about.
Speaker 3: This, and you know, like, so how do I how
Speaker 3: do I dissect this?
Speaker 4: And you know, because I guarantee you if I had
Speaker 4: just stumbled across this on Netflix and watched it on
Speaker 4: a whim, I probably wouldn't have thought as it quite
Speaker 4: as deeply.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true, because this is such
Speaker 1: a thoughtful, I mean, as goofy as it can be,
Speaker 1: and all of the all of the wonderful capers they're
Speaker 1: trying to pull off a good scare and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: As much as that happens, this movie really does hit
Speaker 1: hard on these questions of what happens if I'm forgotten
Speaker 1: what happens. If I don't live up to what I
Speaker 1: thought I should, you know what happens to me next,
Speaker 1: and you can't avoid it. It's not it's not below
Speaker 1: the surface. It's what the movie's about.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, you're right, it's not subtext. It's text.
Speaker 4: But was this supposed to be my final thoughts?
Speaker 1: Damn? It could be? Yes, but I don't I watch this.
Speaker 3: I will just wrap this up in a bow and say,
Speaker 3: watch this movie on Netflix.
Speaker 4: It's yes, it's worth your time. Read the subtitles, mooks. Yeah,
Speaker 4: like I said, okay, and stay for the after credits?
Speaker 1: Is there is there a dubbed version? Like I wonder?
Speaker 5: It did not?
Speaker 4: It did not offer a version, so like there there's
Speaker 4: different subtitles, but I don't believe there was a dub So.
Speaker 1: Here's the terrible thing for a lot of movies. If
Speaker 1: I'm like working in the daytime, I'll play movies on
Speaker 1: the screen, so it has to be in a language
Speaker 1: I understand, or you can play dumbs.
Speaker 4: So you know, I like reading subtitles when I'm sleepy
Speaker 4: because if I if I, if I watch a movie
Speaker 4: that's subtitled like late at Night or something, and I
Speaker 4: don't want to fall asleep. It inevitably will make me
Speaker 4: fall asleep because it makes my eyes tired, like saying
Speaker 4: thing as if I was reading a book.
Speaker 3: By by flashlight or something. So you know, like I
Speaker 3: that obviously wasn't a problem because I watched this.
Speaker 5: In the middle of the day.
Speaker 8: But you know, and my my only challenge today was
Speaker 8: was pausing it when my baby decided she felt like singing, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree with you. But then also I remember
Speaker 5: I watched it. I think, I think this is like
Speaker 5: a midnight movie at Fantastic Quest, so I go back
Speaker 5: and forth. Also, by the way that the credits thing
Speaker 5: drew since you get it, if you can imagine people
Speaker 5: wondering when they should file out, was awesome, great because
Speaker 5: of it works like that was a really that is
Speaker 5: a good it's a good gag.
Speaker 1: It was a very good gag.
Speaker 5: Because you're like everybody's like because also you know, you
Speaker 5: want me to get it. It was late actually when
Speaker 5: I saw it, so you didn't have to get to
Speaker 5: the next movie, but everybody in the theater, so that
Speaker 5: that was a nice That was also a nice communal
Speaker 5: experience and kind of why I enjoy theater.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Trulia, Well did Julia, did you do your final thought?
Speaker 1: I can't remember? Because okay, all right, well then I
Speaker 1: have already spoken at length on why I thought this
Speaker 1: was beautiful, so I have nothing else to add. I
Speaker 1: will I will let Drew in Tony's words linger in
Speaker 1: the air, as as the final ring on the final thoughts. So, okay, endorsements,
Speaker 1: I want to hear what you guys have for us,
Speaker 1: because the funny thing is this movie, Tony, was probably
Speaker 1: your first endorsement. You were like, hey, let's watch this,
Speaker 1: and we did. There was and we seem to never
Speaker 1: go wrong that way. So Tony, what do you got
Speaker 1: for us now? Like, what's your what's your endorsement?
Speaker 5: A couple of things, Well, in general, I can't if
Speaker 5: I talked about the band Savage Master last week, but
Speaker 5: they have a new album out and that's really cool.
Speaker 5: And I've known the drummer for years and years and
Speaker 5: years their drummer who now is their live drummer as
Speaker 5: they tour all over the place, and so that was
Speaker 5: kind of fascinating when I found out he was their drummer.
Speaker 5: But they have a great stick. Their lead singer, she
Speaker 5: she's like super occult, you know, witchy licking, you know, vampy.
Speaker 5: And then the other guys have executioner hoods and they
Speaker 5: play and like they sometimes they're chained to the to
Speaker 5: the to her the drum riser or like they Savage
Speaker 5: Master has a really good stick and it's really cool music.
Speaker 5: Also saw Depth of Unicorn, which I thoroughly enjoyed. Uh
Speaker 5: you know, it doesn't do a lot that you don't
Speaker 5: see in the trail, but that's really good. Like, I
Speaker 5: really enjoyed it. It was exactly the movie I wanted
Speaker 5: to see as purported and you know, Julie Paul Rudd,
Speaker 5: and it's not as gross as it as I've heard,
Speaker 5: so so it's not you know, if you see it,
Speaker 5: it's it's I don't think it's grosser than this movie,
Speaker 5: if I remember. I mean, I'm on sliding scale, So
Speaker 5: don't help me do that, Julia. But you know, I
Speaker 5: thought it was really solid, really fun movie. You know,
Speaker 5: not to get a sood box. But you know, when
Speaker 5: you're talking through something you said resonated with me because
Speaker 5: I think I was telling some a couple of people
Speaker 5: kind of about you know, you're talking about what we
Speaker 5: affect and what we leat behind and all that, and
Speaker 5: it just made me think about kind of I told
Speaker 5: people a couple of times my ethos are, I don't
Speaker 5: know what if there's like an afterlife for sure, you know,
Speaker 5: but it doesn't matter because to me, when I go
Speaker 5: to create, when I go to interact with people, when
Speaker 5: I I can only control myself and I can only
Speaker 5: like the things we leave behind. Like and it's kind
Speaker 5: of made me think about this movie when you were
Speaker 5: mentioned in your final thoughts, like those ripples we leave
Speaker 5: behind are all we can guarantee that we have, you know,
Speaker 5: regardless of our beliefs, Like what we can guarantee is
Speaker 5: leaving the world behind is possibly a little bit better.
Speaker 5: And then your immortality as you fade, Like so maybe
Speaker 5: sometimes like if you don't you know, we we have
Speaker 5: like maybe we have this podcast maybe that's left behind,
Speaker 5: or some of our music or whatever we create, whatever
Speaker 5: we do, those things might stay. But also those memories
Speaker 5: that you leave and you might fade when the last
Speaker 5: person who speaks your name speaks your name, right, but
Speaker 5: you can what we can all hope for is that
Speaker 5: we have a lot of like long past. When we're gone,
Speaker 5: people go, ah, man, Remember that party, Remember that show,
Speaker 5: Remember that interaction. Remember when that person I don't know
Speaker 5: bought me a cinnamon roll or a cup of coffee
Speaker 5: or whatever, and those things like, ah, I remember that
Speaker 5: that's we leave behind. And you know, that's that's been
Speaker 5: a thing that's been my kind of how I view
Speaker 5: the world is like I hope that I can leave
Speaker 5: behind those things because that's as that's the only permanence
Speaker 5: that that I think us as individuals can control. But
Speaker 5: I I and I bring that up only because that
Speaker 5: that was on my mind. I was telling talking to
Speaker 5: somebody about it last night and then you know, you
Speaker 5: kind of brought up the how we interact with people,
Speaker 5: how how those things fade and you know, again, I
Speaker 5: hope that's not too preachy for my final thoughts, but
Speaker 5: it just but Jerry, again, when you brought up that,
Speaker 5: that resonated with me, and like just the way that
Speaker 5: I think of things and the way that we can
Speaker 5: hope that you know, that's what that's what we got.
Speaker 5: That's all I got.
Speaker 1: Really, you know, yeah, excellent, thank you. Uh, Julia, did
Speaker 1: you have any endorsements for us? Yeah?
Speaker 6: The The Residence on Netflix, which is a shondaland who
Speaker 6: done it?
Speaker 2: Mystery so good.
Speaker 6: It's it's curricule Piro but with in shondaland really really
Speaker 6: fun entertaining for I thought I had it and then
Speaker 6: I didn't. But it wasn't like unsatisfying either, so I
Speaker 6: enjoyed a lot. It was really really good little limited series.
Speaker 1: Not to be confused with Residentsia, the Spanish horror movie,
Speaker 1: which is really awesome.
Speaker 2: I don't think anybody was going to confuse it.
Speaker 1: The moment I saw the residence, I literally was like, well,
Speaker 1: is this a remake of the house that screened?
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't think most people are going to confuse.
Speaker 1: Okay, back to your original point that most people, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: fair Uh Drew, what about you?
Speaker 4: I have been listening to a lot of audio dramas
Speaker 4: and I actually, you know, it's it's this is one
Speaker 4: that I put off listening to because it's it's a
Speaker 4: marvel audio drama. And when I was first advertised, even
Speaker 4: though I liked some of the creatives, both you know,
Speaker 4: the voice cast, but also the you know, some of
Speaker 4: the people involved behind the scenes, you know, I didn't
Speaker 4: really ever consider giving this a listen because it's so
Speaker 4: it's called Marvel's.
Speaker 3: Wastelanders, and it's loosely based off.
Speaker 4: Of the Old Man Logan comic book series, which I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna belabor too much of a point, but I
Speaker 4: did not particularly care for.
Speaker 3: So when I heard about.
Speaker 4: The audio drama, I didn't really give it a chance
Speaker 4: because you know that I heard it was based off
Speaker 4: of that storyline. But you know, in my hunger to
Speaker 4: keep finding podcasts and audio dramas and things to listen to,
Speaker 4: I I was like, well, you know, like, I guess
Speaker 4: I'm going to give this a chance, and I really
Speaker 4: ended up enjoying its.
Speaker 1: Like ten episodes, I'm just looking this up.
Speaker 4: Bus there's more than ten episodes because it's a series
Speaker 4: of interlocking So there's like the initial one which is
Speaker 4: about Wolverine, but then they have ones that's the one
Speaker 4: that's about star Lord. You know, they have one that's
Speaker 4: about Black Widow, my personal favorite, which was the one
Speaker 4: that's about Doctor Doom, and then you know, they they
Speaker 4: bring them all together in sort of Avengers type storyline
Speaker 4: at the very end, and it's the series is written
Speaker 4: by Mark Wade, which who is one of my favorite
Speaker 4: comic book writers, and you know, his Maybe it's just
Speaker 4: a difference in tone between him and Mark Miller, who
Speaker 4: was the writer of the original Old Man Logan comic
Speaker 4: comic book series. But this didn't really have this sort
Speaker 4: of you know, ridiculous quality to it that that did,
Speaker 4: but it had more of like a genuine love of
Speaker 4: the Marvel universe. So I really like particularly the stuff
Speaker 4: that dealt with because Mark Wade wrote a really great
Speaker 4: run on Fantastic Four, so particularly like the Doctor Doom
Speaker 4: stuff was just really really well done. But aside from that,
Speaker 4: like they hire hired actors who you could see playing
Speaker 4: these characters in live action, Like for example, Susan Sarandon
Speaker 4: is the voice of Black Widow, and they have Robert
Speaker 4: Patrick is the voice of Wolverine, and you know those
Speaker 4: are you know, actors that I could have seen playing
Speaker 4: the you know, back on their heyday, I could have
Speaker 4: seen playing those characters in live action. So it's like interesting,
Speaker 4: you know, seeing them sort of playing these characters, but
Speaker 4: their elderly versions of these Marvel comic book characters.
Speaker 3: I think the biggest.
Speaker 4: Surprise was Dylan lan Baker as the older at the
Speaker 4: end of his rope Doctor Doom, and you know, the
Speaker 4: Doctor Doom series. Actually Valeria Richards gets gets Doctor Doom
Speaker 4: drunk and plays Mary fuck Kill with him and he always.
Speaker 3: Chooses kill, which was hilarious.
Speaker 4: And totally a Doctor Doom move. But uh yeah, I
Speaker 4: really enjoyed the heck out of it. I was actually
Speaker 4: found myself kind of sad that there wasn't more of
Speaker 4: it when when it was over. But I listened to
Speaker 4: it over the course of a few twelve hour days
Speaker 4: that I was pulling over the over the last weekend,
Speaker 4: and you know, I'm meeting needing something to listen to
Speaker 4: it it it uh you know, it definitely helped the
Speaker 4: time go by.
Speaker 3: But you know, very very well acted, well written, great
Speaker 3: sound effects, and again just like a general kind of
Speaker 3: love for Marvel Comics lore that I found enjoyable.
Speaker 1: That's really cool. Well all right, I think Julia will
Speaker 1: probably want to when I did that. That sounds like fun.
Speaker 1: I will. I'll listen to it too, just to see
Speaker 1: if Sophia Strange pops up, because she was actually in
Speaker 1: the Wastelanders comic.
Speaker 4: Oh really yeah, well, I ners I can tell this
Speaker 4: is very much other than the general can see that
Speaker 4: all the supervillains teamed up and cause like kind of
Speaker 4: a post apocalyptic I think I think this go I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't think this skews very closely to the comics,
Speaker 3: but I could be wrong.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, and there's a bunch of episodes,
Speaker 1: so this sounds.
Speaker 4: That sounds The guy that plays the guy that plays
Speaker 4: star Lord like the elderly Peter Quill.
Speaker 3: Plays him as kind of like Peter Fonda, which I
Speaker 3: thought was hilarious appropriate. So yeah, it's it's a good time.
Speaker 1: That sounds. That sounds great. Well, thank you for sharing that. Gosh,
Speaker 1: I I didn't prepare a recommendation, so I will recommend
Speaker 1: as a which is not to be confused with The Residents.
Speaker 1: It is a nineteen sixty nine mystery murder mystery that
Speaker 1: takes place in an all girls' school. Except for that
Speaker 1: it's way more slashery and and the payoff is far
Speaker 1: far goofyre. But Tony, we also did a kickback episode
Speaker 1: about about as a hangout episode. Yes, so we haven't
Speaker 1: done that in them and so long that I've forgotten
Speaker 1: what we call them.
Speaker 5: But I mean the whole point was, hey, we're not
Speaker 5: doing much else, let's let's.
Speaker 1: Keep let's have an extra episode.
Speaker 5: Let's you an extra episode. Let's just we literally hang out,
Speaker 5: because let's keep our minds, you know, not dwelling on
Speaker 5: terrible minds.
Speaker 1: That was the middle of COVID. Actually it was the
Speaker 1: start of COVID and boy what time that was. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but a lot of it. Nc I came out in
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine. I just want to make a note
Speaker 1: real quick of who the director was.
Speaker 2: Well, the residence is the residence of the White House,
Speaker 2: so not not girls.
Speaker 1: This was directed by Narcisso Serrador and and it is
Speaker 1: great if you like slightly sexy Spanish slashers of the
Speaker 1: late sixties, this is another one. And it's a good one.
Speaker 6: Okay, don't you love that there are actually people in
Speaker 6: in Spanish, in Spanish speaking countries that are named narciso,
Speaker 6: Narciso narcissis.
Speaker 2: Does that set you up? Does that set you up
Speaker 2: to be like a narcissist?
Speaker 1: I think it gives you room to run, is what
Speaker 1: it does. Like, like, hey, what do you expect? Right, oh, narsisso, Yes, it's.
Speaker 2: Just Narcisso you just got to save your complex.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, everybody, thank you very much. This was
Speaker 1: This was a lot of fun. I mean, I love
Speaker 1: talking talking about the Dead Talent Society. A movie I
Speaker 1: was not prepared for at all. This is really cool.
Speaker 5: So hey, I like it. I'm always afraid, you know, like,
Speaker 5: did did I see something the best? And was it
Speaker 5: because I saw it the best that I really enjoy
Speaker 5: it so much? You know, because there's a certain charm
Speaker 5: in the uniqueness of that event.
Speaker 3: Well, I would, I would tell you.
Speaker 4: If I am not squeamish about saying when I don't
Speaker 4: like something, Tony, if I did, even if this was
Speaker 4: like a sacred cow of yours, if I if I
Speaker 4: didn't like it, I would have turned it into a cheeseburger.
Speaker 1: Like. So Tony comes loaded with already an understanding of
Speaker 1: all of our like he knows like what's liable to
Speaker 1: be a movie that I will like or you will
Speaker 1: like or Julius.
Speaker 4: At this point, I would gamble to say it this point,
Speaker 4: we we all know each other's cinematic cinematic case.
Speaker 1: Pretty yeah, Like I think after ten or eleven years,
Speaker 1: you're bound to right more than.
Speaker 3: Has how many years has this spen?
Speaker 1: There's something like fourteen, I guess.
Speaker 3: Oh my lord, oh my gosh. So we have been
Speaker 3: doing this longer than I've been married. Yeah, yeah, Holy moly.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: But there are some movies like this where I'm kind
Speaker 5: of like riding home, kind of metaphorically jumping up and
Speaker 5: down my seat, going ah, yes, this is the like,
Speaker 5: this is the one, Like somebody released this because not
Speaker 5: only should we cover it here, but I want I
Speaker 5: want our listeners to also preach the word of this movie,
Speaker 5: you know, And this was one of those, like coming
Speaker 5: out with Peter going scot Somebody's got to pick this up.
Speaker 1: That's really great.
Speaker 5: Happy everybody enjoyed it.
Speaker 1: Awesome? All right, Well, everyone be kind to one another
Speaker 1: and make sure that you let everybody know that it's
Speaker 1: important that they're a human being and not a human doing.
Speaker 1: And we will. We will talk to you, We will
Speaker 1: talk to your hate.
Speaker 2: This world.
Speaker 5: Far better yet all we put by Red Hiking Hood.
Speaker 1: All right, Audios