WEBVTT 1 00:00:08.160 --> 00:00:10.679 Hello, and welcome to Castle of Horror, the show dedicated 2 00:00:10.720 --> 00:00:13.599 to horror movies an awesomeness. This week we have a 3 00:00:13.599 --> 00:00:17.160 look at the twenty twenty four Taiwanese horror comedy Dead 4 00:00:17.280 --> 00:00:20.640 Talent Society. This is episode four hundred and fifty eight. 5 00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:22.679 Bear in mind if you haven't seen today's movie, we're 6 00:00:22.719 --> 00:00:24.679 going to be talking about it from the perspective of 7 00:00:24.679 --> 00:00:27.640 horror fans who have seen it, So warning spoilers ahead. 8 00:00:27.800 --> 00:00:31.199 From Denver, Colorado, I'm your host, Jason Henderson, publisher at 9 00:00:31.320 --> 00:00:34.399 castle Bridge Media, home of the Castle of Horror anthology. 10 00:00:34.600 --> 00:00:37.479 With me from Austin is Tony Savaggio, lead singer and 11 00:00:37.560 --> 00:00:39.960 bassis of the band Deserts of Mars and lead guitars 12 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:42.479 of the band Rise from Fire. Say Hello, Tony Howdy. 13 00:00:43.079 --> 00:00:46.600 Also in Austin, Mister Drew Edwards is the writer creator 14 00:00:46.640 --> 00:00:49.679 of the long running underground comic Halloween Man, which you 15 00:00:49.719 --> 00:00:52.000 can find at Global Comics. He is a Best Writer 16 00:00:52.079 --> 00:00:55.359 Ringo nominee, Austin Chronicle Best of Austin Award winner and 17 00:00:55.399 --> 00:00:59.759 a member of the Pen America Fellowship. Say Hello, Drew, Hello, Hello. 18 00:01:00.039 --> 00:01:03.679 And finally, also in Denver, color commentary from Julia Guzman 19 00:01:04.120 --> 00:01:05.760 of Guzman Immigration of Denversity. 20 00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:07.000 Hello, Hello, everybody. 21 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:09.920 Hello. What is it that the ghost in this always says? 22 00:01:09.920 --> 00:01:12.359 What her tagline? It's something like I hate this, I. 23 00:01:12.280 --> 00:01:16.799 Hate this world, this world, which if I had thought about, 24 00:01:16.879 --> 00:01:19.079 I guess I would have said that during the. 25 00:01:19.959 --> 00:01:22.680 It's so it's so great, it's so on point, it's 26 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:26.560 so not you know, it's not an exaggeration. It's such 27 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:29.359 a fun it's such a funny tagline because it says 28 00:01:29.359 --> 00:01:33.480 I hate this. It's such a funny thing for a 29 00:01:33.519 --> 00:01:37.359 ghost to say. All right. Dead Talent Society is a 30 00:01:37.439 --> 00:01:41.200 twenty twenty four Taiwanese horror comedy film directed and co 31 00:01:41.239 --> 00:01:45.120 written by John Hu. Set in a fictional underworld where 32 00:01:45.159 --> 00:01:48.359 ghosts can linger in the mortal realm by competing to 33 00:01:48.439 --> 00:01:52.640 haunt humans. The film follows the rookie as she embarks 34 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:55.319 on a journey to find her own uniqueness under the 35 00:01:55.319 --> 00:01:59.319 tutelage of a passionate agent and a diva who has 36 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:03.400 sort of fallen fallen on hard times, she's losing her luster. 37 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:06.560 The film had its world premiere in June of twenty 38 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:09.400 twenty four at the Type A Film Festival. It was 39 00:02:09.439 --> 00:02:14.479 released theatrically on August seventh and Taiwan. We're gonna start 40 00:02:14.479 --> 00:02:18.439 with Tony on opening thoughts. Tony, how did you stumble 41 00:02:18.560 --> 00:02:21.080 across this movie? By the way, it's on Netflix, so 42 00:02:21.120 --> 00:02:23.000 everybody can watch it, But how did you wind up 43 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:23.400 watching it? 44 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:23.639 Yeah? 45 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:26.319 I saw it at Fantastic Fest and I liked it 46 00:02:26.439 --> 00:02:29.560 enough I almost like changed the slot so I can 47 00:02:29.599 --> 00:02:32.280 watch it again because I just really, I don't know. 48 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:35.719 It checks all the boxes for me. You know, it's 49 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:38.439 got the kind of behind the scenes underworld stuff that 50 00:02:38.520 --> 00:02:41.080 Beatle Juice. It's the first one kind of hints at 51 00:02:41.080 --> 00:02:43.639 and the second one takes more of you know, we 52 00:02:43.759 --> 00:02:46.199 learn more about it, But that kind of behind the 53 00:02:46.240 --> 00:02:50.680 scenes in the underworld aspect of it I really like. Plus, 54 00:02:50.759 --> 00:02:54.520 you know, a satire of the entertainment industry, and then 55 00:02:54.639 --> 00:02:57.400 also a lot of really kind of touching moments, you 56 00:02:57.439 --> 00:03:00.560 know about found family, and you know, it's got the 57 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:04.360 old Hollywood new Hollywood vibe. But yeah, I've been waiting 58 00:03:04.400 --> 00:03:07.479 for it. I'm just hoping it comes out. You know, 59 00:03:07.639 --> 00:03:09.680 somebody would pick it up and looks, you know, Sony 60 00:03:09.719 --> 00:03:12.080 did so that we could all see it. When it 61 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:14.240 hit Netflix, I was like, this is the next movie 62 00:03:14.280 --> 00:03:15.960 we have to do you have a waiting excellent? 63 00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:19.639 Excellent. Well I'm I'm so glad. I just found myself 64 00:03:19.680 --> 00:03:22.919 so so touched by this. So thank you very much. Julia. 65 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:23.719 Opening thoughts. 66 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:26.199 Yeah, it's a fun movie. It was surprising. I didn't 67 00:03:26.240 --> 00:03:28.120 know what to expect. I hadn't looked into it at 68 00:03:28.120 --> 00:03:31.599 Also watching it, I was pretty surprised by everything. Like 69 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:33.360 I was, I didn't even know. I knew nothing, so 70 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:35.639 I didn't even know that they were that they were 71 00:03:35.680 --> 00:03:38.080 all dead at the beginning. So when you see them 72 00:03:38.080 --> 00:03:40.360 on the talk show, you're like, is this somebody that 73 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:42.879 pretends like it? Because I thought they were maybe social 74 00:03:42.879 --> 00:03:45.360 media influencers who are pretending to be ghosts, but no, 75 00:03:45.439 --> 00:03:49.240 they're actual ghosts. So it's a lot of fun to 76 00:03:49.400 --> 00:03:52.599 watch the interactions of these people in the afterlife, and 77 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:56.039 then the social media people and the people who visit 78 00:03:56.120 --> 00:03:59.919 the room four fourteen in the who are a lot 79 00:04:00.400 --> 00:04:03.479 and how just everybody's just caught up in their own, 80 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:09.120 you know stuff. They'll have their own issues. It's very 81 00:04:09.280 --> 00:04:13.319 The characters are really entertaining. It dragged a little bit 82 00:04:13.360 --> 00:04:15.879 for me kind of the first half. 83 00:04:15.919 --> 00:04:18.360 I kind of felt like it went on a little long. 84 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:19.040 I don't know. 85 00:04:19.279 --> 00:04:21.920 I feel like there was something missing in the first half. 86 00:04:21.920 --> 00:04:24.920 But I did enjoy I did enjoy the stories, and 87 00:04:24.959 --> 00:04:26.120 I enjoyed the characters. 88 00:04:25.759 --> 00:04:28.600 A lot wonderful. Thank you very much, and we can 89 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:31.639 we can talk about structure a little bit, Uh Drew, 90 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:32.439 what about you? 91 00:04:34.040 --> 00:04:40.000 Uh So, Yeah, I went in pretty much blind as well. 92 00:04:40.759 --> 00:04:45.959 I guess I was expecting something a little different because 93 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:49.800 Tony had made the comparison the Beetlejuice, and I do 94 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:51.040 get that. 95 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:52.279 But I feel like. 96 00:04:52.759 --> 00:04:58.240 That this movie has a melancholy quality to it that 97 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:04.879 none of Tim films really have, Like they're more, I guess, 98 00:05:04.959 --> 00:05:09.839 gleefully macabre, whereas this has like a more sober, you know, 99 00:05:10.079 --> 00:05:15.879 contemplative quality about it, which I'm not saying either is 100 00:05:16.040 --> 00:05:18.399 right or wrong, by the way, I just I just 101 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:23.439 found the tone to be slightly different. 102 00:05:23.199 --> 00:05:27.639 Because this is this is asking questions about itself. I 103 00:05:27.759 --> 00:05:29.120 really really liked it. 104 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:31.879 I think it's a very clever movie, and I think 105 00:05:31.879 --> 00:05:35.759 it's a very very good send up of life in. 106 00:05:35.720 --> 00:05:37.000 The entertainment industry. 107 00:05:37.759 --> 00:05:39.720 And you know how you can kind of be on 108 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:42.680 top one second, and you know, you could feel like 109 00:05:42.720 --> 00:05:45.600 the world is passing you by the next But I 110 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:51.920 also found, you know a lot of the stuff that 111 00:05:51.959 --> 00:05:55.079 they do to be interesting, like that, like how the 112 00:05:55.079 --> 00:05:59.519 the the ghosts eat the food, like eat the food 113 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:03.319 that's and offered to them like on their birthday, which 114 00:06:03.439 --> 00:06:05.639 is very you know, kind of similar to what what 115 00:06:05.959 --> 00:06:09.279 you know we have in in Texas and in Mexico 116 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:12.560 with the you know, day of the Dead kind of stuff. 117 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:16.800 But I thought, I thought the way it was used 118 00:06:16.800 --> 00:06:22.160 here was was interesting. I kind of wish that there 119 00:06:22.240 --> 00:06:27.759 was a few world building questions that they would would 120 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:29.240 have answered, because there were. 121 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:31.240 I'll save those thoughts for. 122 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:33.959 When it you know, we inevitably get to get to 123 00:06:34.160 --> 00:06:35.839 discussing certain aspects of it. 124 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:38.199 But there were there are a few things. 125 00:06:37.839 --> 00:06:41.360 That I I felt like that they could have clarified 126 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:46.199 a bit more. But overall, like a really enjoyable, interesting movie. 127 00:06:46.279 --> 00:06:49.279 And you know, thanks thanks for bringing this to us, Tony, 128 00:06:49.319 --> 00:06:51.959 because this was this was a fun watch. 129 00:06:52.079 --> 00:06:54.360 By the way, the eating and the fact that they 130 00:06:54.360 --> 00:06:56.639 have a cell phone, like, oh, that cell phone is 131 00:06:56.680 --> 00:06:58.439 the only one they burnt for me, there's a whole 132 00:06:58.439 --> 00:07:03.360 cottage industry of replica of you know, items that you 133 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:07.240 burn that then will follow you into the afterlife. I 134 00:07:07.399 --> 00:07:12.160 love the cars, and like, there's a whole yeah, I 135 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:14.079 mean you can read about it, but but that's the 136 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:16.519 whole thing. You know. She has a cell phone because 137 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:20.600 her parents, you know, did an offering of a cell phone, 138 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:24.040 and all of that stuff is very you know, it's 139 00:07:24.199 --> 00:07:25.519 East Asian kind of. 140 00:07:25.720 --> 00:07:28.040 Isn't it wonderful? Though? I mean interrupted you. 141 00:07:28.079 --> 00:07:30.759 I'm sorry, Tony, no, no, but you know, a lot 142 00:07:30.920 --> 00:07:32.759 and a lot of the ghost tropes kind of you 143 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:35.560 know follow like like you know, before we're pregaming, and 144 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:38.279 Drew pointed out, like some of the tropes come from 145 00:07:38.360 --> 00:07:41.759 Jay Horror, some of them come from some Korean horror 146 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:43.959 movies and stuff, and so they're kind of taking all 147 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:47.160 of that into account in a movie from Taiwan. It's 148 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:50.399 also interesting that, you know, this movie also looks great. 149 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:52.839 There was a time in kind of martial arts movie 150 00:07:52.839 --> 00:07:56.920 where movies where Taiwan's action was kind of seen as 151 00:07:56.959 --> 00:08:00.920 not maybe as as respected. They're still there's great stuff, 152 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:03.319 but there was a people kind of thought of it 153 00:08:03.360 --> 00:08:06.279 as tiered, you know, like, oh, well, you know, really 154 00:08:06.279 --> 00:08:09.000 good stuff is Hong Kong and you know whatever, and 155 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:12.399 so but you know, as you can see, Taiwane Cinema 156 00:08:12.639 --> 00:08:14.680 is going strong and making cool movies. 157 00:08:14.839 --> 00:08:18.079 Oh. Absolutely, it's beautiful. It looks it looks really great. 158 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:22.079 I was thinking about the burning of the offerings because 159 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:25.360 you know, some places you'll go, you'll see you'll see 160 00:08:25.399 --> 00:08:29.120 the offerings laid out. And I remember in Singapore going 161 00:08:29.120 --> 00:08:33.159 to a whole exhibit about this, and so you know, 162 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:35.240 as you said, there's a whole the same way that 163 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:37.960 will buy an Easter basket. You know, you can buy 164 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:41.600 a basket of offerings for your loved one and it'll 165 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:45.200 have a little little paper beer and little paper cigarettes 166 00:08:45.200 --> 00:08:47.799 and little beer. And if you think about it, what's 167 00:08:47.960 --> 00:08:50.919 wonderful about that is it means you get when you 168 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:53.639 buy the things, when you burn the things, you can remember. 169 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:57.399 You know, what I remember about about this loved one was, 170 00:08:57.519 --> 00:09:00.159 you know how much they liked this magazine and how 171 00:09:00.240 --> 00:09:03.200 much thing like your cigars, and they liked this particular 172 00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:07.039 brand of beer. I remember them specifically, and and I'm 173 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:09.159 sending these things to them. And I don't care if 174 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:12.799 you don't actually believe that. Literally, there's a there's something 175 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:15.639 wonderful and true in the in. 176 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:17.759 The practice, in the remembrance. 177 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:20.000 Yeah, it's fantastic, isn't it. 178 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:23.840 I rewatching Shunkchi the other day and Aquafina's grandma in 179 00:09:23.879 --> 00:09:27.200 the movie, she sets uh for the for her husband. 180 00:09:27.399 --> 00:09:29.240 She sets out a bunch of stuff and that she 181 00:09:29.279 --> 00:09:32.960 said that she put like his favorite alcohol on his grave. 182 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:33.559 I guess it was. 183 00:09:34.039 --> 00:09:40.159 And she goes and the next day it was gone, so. 184 00:09:40.080 --> 00:09:44.840 Hard, so wonderful. The first thing I wanted to talk 185 00:09:44.879 --> 00:09:46.639 about here, and I don't even know if it's the 186 00:09:46.759 --> 00:09:49.840 main it's certainly one of the main themes of the film, 187 00:09:49.960 --> 00:09:52.039 but it's it's not the one that I see written 188 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:54.799 about as much. But it really touched me. Oh wait, 189 00:09:54.879 --> 00:09:56.879 we're still doing our opening thoughts? Did or did we 190 00:09:56.919 --> 00:09:59.720 get all the way through them? I? I did? Did? I? 191 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:00.519 We were on you? 192 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:04.120 So we're on me? Okay? All right? Then good? Thank goodness. 193 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:09.039 So the big lesson. You know, if you're listening to 194 00:10:09.080 --> 00:10:11.320 this and for some reason you're listening to this show 195 00:10:11.399 --> 00:10:14.399 before actually watching the movie. The main character is a 196 00:10:14.639 --> 00:10:17.080 is a girl that will call the Rookie. She is 197 00:10:17.639 --> 00:10:21.279 a girl who, we come to find out, spent her 198 00:10:21.320 --> 00:10:26.000 whole life chasing goals, none of which she actually managed 199 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:29.039 to accomplish. And she had all these different goals including 200 00:10:29.480 --> 00:10:33.279 you know, maybe graduate from college, and she kind of didn't, didn't. 201 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:35.320 She kind of washed out of that, and you know, 202 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:39.639 she couldn't become a musician. And as as she grows up, 203 00:10:39.799 --> 00:10:42.039 all the things that she was hoping to do just 204 00:10:42.159 --> 00:10:45.600 sort of fell away. And I now, as a ghost, 205 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:51.799 all of those all those problems are haunting her in 206 00:10:51.840 --> 00:10:54.799 a sense. As a ghost, she still has things she 207 00:10:54.840 --> 00:10:58.159 wants to accomplish, or rather she feels like she'll only 208 00:10:58.240 --> 00:11:00.879 be a good person or a real person and if 209 00:11:00.919 --> 00:11:03.320 she accomplishes things. And so as I was watching this, 210 00:11:04.480 --> 00:11:07.360 I really wanted to just hug this poor girl and 211 00:11:07.480 --> 00:11:11.000 just say, look, you don't have to do anything you 212 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:13.519 you know, you're a complete person. Even if that's the. 213 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:16.480 Lessons she learns, because that's what she tells the baby 214 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:17.240 at the end. 215 00:11:17.799 --> 00:11:21.720 Yes, well, it's also compounded by the fact her sister 216 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:24.559 is you know, as good at everything, or at least 217 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:28.159 so she from her eyes. Oh look, you know, everything 218 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:31.559 she does turns the gold and I am you know, 219 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:34.679 losing is her It is her perspective, which is you know, 220 00:11:34.960 --> 00:11:38.960 terrible kind of burden. I tell it as well, because 221 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:42.600 I you know, I have a band that's like we're 222 00:11:42.639 --> 00:11:45.039 reaching people, but you still like is other people in 223 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:47.440 the scene or like so much further ahead, and you're like, 224 00:11:47.720 --> 00:11:49.240 what could I do? What can I change? 225 00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:49.480 I could? 226 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:51.720 I think it's a universal thing for all of us 227 00:11:51.799 --> 00:11:54.200 who are creative. It's like, what can I do that 228 00:11:54.200 --> 00:11:57.120 that gets me to that that next step or whatever? 229 00:11:57.679 --> 00:12:00.279 You tell the tell the listener, tell the little listeners 230 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:01.960 to what you were saying before we got on about 231 00:12:02.000 --> 00:12:04.679 how the girl died the main carriage. 232 00:12:04.720 --> 00:12:08.240 Oh yeah, well, you know, we close to the end, 233 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:10.799 we find out that there was an earth like we 234 00:12:10.799 --> 00:12:14.759 we don't know how she died, but there's prominently throughout 235 00:12:14.759 --> 00:12:18.639 the movie there there's she keeps coming back to this 236 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:21.720 cabinet full of her sister's trophies, and she has this 237 00:12:21.799 --> 00:12:28.320 one basically you know you're doing good like trophies certificate, certificate, 238 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:31.639 her dad certificate. Yeah, and we find out then also 239 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:35.240 she found out that her dad made it like she 240 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:38.759 never actually won anything. But when we find out how 241 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:41.039 she's killed. I kind of noticed it, but Rain put 242 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:43.639 it even better, like, uh, you know something I hadn't 243 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:46.039 thought about since the first time I saw it. You 244 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:49.799 know this past September. He said, Well, she's literally crushed 245 00:12:49.879 --> 00:12:53.159 by the expectations of her parents. Now, her parents don't 246 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:56.679 really her parents kind of are okay with her not 247 00:12:56.960 --> 00:12:59.279 being that, but she feels like they don't, like there's 248 00:12:59.279 --> 00:13:01.279 no way she can compete with her sister. 249 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:04.000 Yeah, because her last her last goal crosses out that 250 00:13:04.120 --> 00:13:06.759 as not having met It was to be a good daughter. 251 00:13:07.519 --> 00:13:10.519 Right, She's crushed. Yeah, because in the earthquake, she's. 252 00:13:10.399 --> 00:13:14.159 Crushed by the by the the shelves that they have 253 00:13:14.240 --> 00:13:16.559 the trophies on them. 254 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:19.919 Yeah, And I thought Rain pointed that out, and I 255 00:13:19.960 --> 00:13:23.960 was like, that's tough. You know, all of that. 256 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:27.360 This is this is when I when I say this 257 00:13:27.879 --> 00:13:33.559 movie has kind of a melancholy quality, like this stuff 258 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:37.320 is the stuff that I am referring to, you know, 259 00:13:37.559 --> 00:13:42.039 this whole And I have mixed feelings about some of 260 00:13:42.080 --> 00:13:46.720 the messaging here, But like I I I do think 261 00:13:47.200 --> 00:13:51.840 in terms of a character art, what's done is largely satisfying. 262 00:13:51.879 --> 00:13:56.399 And I love the idea of the way the movie 263 00:13:56.559 --> 00:14:00.600 ends with a ghost talking to a baby that you know, 264 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:03.320 because it's somebody that's living with a baby. Right now, 265 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:08.080 I am constantly wondering if she sees things that as 266 00:14:08.279 --> 00:14:11.120 we don't see as adults because she's like little, she'll 267 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:14.159 look the certain things and she seems like she's reacting 268 00:14:14.240 --> 00:14:18.519 to something not there. So like that little bit of 269 00:14:18.559 --> 00:14:22.440 her talking to a baby, you know, just was. 270 00:14:21.799 --> 00:14:23.240 Was delightful for me. 271 00:14:23.399 --> 00:14:26.399 I did think about you and how you know she's 272 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:28.399 she's there and her at the end, she's there in 273 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:31.960 her niece's life in a way that in a different capacity, 274 00:14:32.120 --> 00:14:34.480 and uh, and I thought that, but I was like, oh, yeah, 275 00:14:34.480 --> 00:14:37.480 I forgot. I'd forgotten that kind of the ending of that. 276 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:39.600 And I was like, ah, man, I can't wait to 277 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:43.000 talk to you about this because it is it's really 278 00:14:43.159 --> 00:14:47.039 touching and fascinating and yeah, you know, but. 279 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:52.559 It's also very it's also very bitter sweet too, And 280 00:14:52.600 --> 00:14:56.960 that's I think if I were to describe this movie 281 00:14:57.240 --> 00:15:01.720 in one word, that's actually the word that I would choose, 282 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:05.000 is that it is very bittersweet, like it's it's you know, 283 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:08.679 like you know everything you know, not just her relationship 284 00:15:08.759 --> 00:15:11.879 with her her still living family, but you know, her 285 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:16.639 relationship with you know, the ghosts and the hotel that 286 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:21.159 she becomes part of their crew, and you know, there's 287 00:15:21.279 --> 00:15:25.039 this whole you know side plot with you know, the 288 00:15:25.039 --> 00:15:32.600 one the one ghosts that's that's that's pining for the 289 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:36.639 the ghost from from Room four fourteen, and you know, 290 00:15:36.679 --> 00:15:40.000 it's this unrequited love thing. And then there's also even 291 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:44.919 the relationship between the two Diva ghosts, like they they 292 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:49.080 started out as a mentor mentee relationship, but now it's 293 00:15:49.120 --> 00:15:52.639 just gone so far a field of itself and. 294 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:57.360 I and there's the heartbreaking like Cocoa thing of being forgotten, 295 00:15:57.480 --> 00:15:58.879 you know, and like feeling like you're. 296 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:02.360 Yeah, I'm so glad that you said Coco because that 297 00:16:02.480 --> 00:16:06.840 is that is something I thought about a lot during 298 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:07.960 this movie. 299 00:16:08.240 --> 00:16:11.519 You know, can somebody explain all of that? Both yes 300 00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:13.480 and here go ahead. Yeah. 301 00:16:13.559 --> 00:16:17.879 So, so she when she first comes into the afterlife 302 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:20.879 and she comes on this stage of like this talent 303 00:16:20.919 --> 00:16:23.080 show type of thing where they're like, okay, who's going 304 00:16:23.159 --> 00:16:25.320 to show us, you know, if that they deserve to 305 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:28.440 be here. Basically she doesn't have any talents. Like she 306 00:16:28.600 --> 00:16:30.639 just is saying, you know, I hate this world and 307 00:16:30.679 --> 00:16:32.120 she kind of puts her arms up and that's it. 308 00:16:32.200 --> 00:16:34.519 Like there, because it's like also it's like Monsters Inc. 309 00:16:34.559 --> 00:16:37.720 Where they have they have to scare people. To be 310 00:16:38.320 --> 00:16:40.320 a live people, they have to scare them. And so 311 00:16:40.600 --> 00:16:43.039 if you're going to stick around, you're not going to disappear. 312 00:16:43.240 --> 00:16:46.840 You need to earn your basically scare card or whatever 313 00:16:46.879 --> 00:16:50.960 they called it. Yes, hunting license, thank you. 314 00:16:51.080 --> 00:16:54.840 It's the worst most people go. 315 00:16:55.240 --> 00:16:57.679 But so mostly so so so up until the point 316 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:00.879 where nothing where the humans are, the living people aren't 317 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:05.440 moving on past your loss, you're okay. But once they 318 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:08.000 start moving on, you have to now go back and 319 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:10.400 make an impact on living people by haunting them, because 320 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:13.000 otherwise you're going to disappear. And it's like the disappearing 321 00:17:13.039 --> 00:17:15.160 thing is kind of there were so many things that 322 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:17.319 I thought of watching the film. The disappearing thing is 323 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:19.519 kind of like Back to the Future where she looks 324 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:21.279 at her hands and they just start like, you know, 325 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:21.880 kind of. 326 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:25.319 I don't remember what. 327 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:32.119 She's glitching, yeslit right, So anyway, so in order to 328 00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:35.079 become solid, at least temporarily, you have to be able 329 00:17:35.079 --> 00:17:36.799 to haunt, and so you have to be good. You 330 00:17:36.799 --> 00:17:39.160 have to have good talents for that. That's what the 331 00:17:39.359 --> 00:17:42.799 that's the whole talent part of the title. And so 332 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:46.279 so when Coco, of course, the deal was in the afterlife, 333 00:17:46.680 --> 00:17:49.359 people have to keep remembering you every day of the 334 00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:52.000 dead because with a friend, us and whatever, because if 335 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:54.160 they don't remember you, if the living don't remember you, 336 00:17:54.200 --> 00:17:56.799 then you will you will disappear from the afterlife. So 337 00:17:56.839 --> 00:17:58.920 it's the same thing here. It's like if they've moved on, 338 00:17:59.200 --> 00:18:00.880 then you need to go back and be able to 339 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:03.240 affect more people by hunting them. 340 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:06.880 But it's it's even like the send up of entertainment 341 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:08.759 is it's not just that you have to haunt people 342 00:18:08.960 --> 00:18:11.079 if you need this license. Instead the only people giving 343 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:14.559 out the license, it's it's a popularity contest. You have 344 00:18:14.640 --> 00:18:18.079 to basically be you have to be a ghost influencer 345 00:18:18.359 --> 00:18:20.160 or our celebrity in order to. 346 00:18:20.079 --> 00:18:25.079 Get living popular living like you literally have to be 347 00:18:25.799 --> 00:18:28.559 getting views with the living right. 348 00:18:28.400 --> 00:18:31.039 Well, and that's one of the problems. Oh go ahead. 349 00:18:31.759 --> 00:18:35.359 It is a really clever you know when you think 350 00:18:35.440 --> 00:18:39.839 about like what ghost stories are and how like if 351 00:18:39.880 --> 00:18:43.720 somebody does have a ghost story surrounding their death, yeah, 352 00:18:43.920 --> 00:18:47.720 you know you might be talking about this person fifty sixty, 353 00:18:48.160 --> 00:18:52.039 hell even hundreds of years after their death, and you know, 354 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:56.279 so that is a way of being remembered. Well, Beyond 355 00:18:56.359 --> 00:19:01.480 your Mortal Coil. What I would have liked to seeing 356 00:19:01.559 --> 00:19:06.039 clarify is they have this one sort of like head 357 00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:10.680 ghost type figure who also seems to have some kind 358 00:19:10.720 --> 00:19:16.920 of power over making people, you know, vanish into ghost. Yeah, yeah, 359 00:19:16.960 --> 00:19:20.319 the chair ghost. And I would have liked a little 360 00:19:20.359 --> 00:19:24.680 bit more clarification as to how that all worked at 361 00:19:24.720 --> 00:19:27.279 some point like that that because I feel like this 362 00:19:27.440 --> 00:19:31.640 was a very smart take on ghosts, but that not 363 00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:35.319 really being explained, like how there is even a head 364 00:19:35.359 --> 00:19:37.720 ghost kind of bugged me. 365 00:19:38.240 --> 00:19:43.200 But that's that's a mild criticism, mind you, because I think, no. 366 00:19:42.720 --> 00:19:46.000 No, that makes sense. I think he I think he 367 00:19:46.160 --> 00:19:50.759 is basically in another movie, he is basically a judge 368 00:19:50.799 --> 00:19:53.119 of the underworld. There's all kinds of judges of the 369 00:19:53.200 --> 00:19:57.359 underworld and they are basically they are basically like unto gods, 370 00:19:57.599 --> 00:20:00.640 but what they do is dole out justice. And it's 371 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:04.759 but because this is a parody of today's entertainment world, 372 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:08.440 he's he's a like sort of award award major d 373 00:20:08.640 --> 00:20:09.279 I mean, I mean. 374 00:20:09.359 --> 00:20:12.480 Yeah, because because there's also the Judge of the underworld. 375 00:20:12.799 --> 00:20:14.000 Uh in the. 376 00:20:13.759 --> 00:20:18.119 Priest lea yes with his big with his big fly hat, 377 00:20:18.279 --> 00:20:19.680 with the big ears and everything. 378 00:20:19.799 --> 00:20:22.359 Yeah, I mean, because that's a more traditional what what 379 00:20:22.440 --> 00:20:24.720 you'd expect the Judge of the Underworld to look like 380 00:20:24.839 --> 00:20:27.759 in Yes culture, but that you know that one where 381 00:20:27.759 --> 00:20:32.400 Brisley is in the Underworld, the same same idea just modernized. 382 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:32.839 Yes. 383 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:36.680 So I didn't mind that there's not a real explanation because, 384 00:20:36.680 --> 00:20:39.079 like Jason said, it kind of is that And in 385 00:20:39.119 --> 00:20:41.119 the same way that I don't really need, like going 386 00:20:41.160 --> 00:20:43.559 back to Beetlejuice in their whole setup, I don't really 387 00:20:43.599 --> 00:20:47.720 need to know how the CEO of Underworld there works 388 00:20:47.759 --> 00:20:49.279 to me. I mean, I get, I get where you're 389 00:20:49.279 --> 00:20:52.480 coming from, Drew totally, but like it didn't really didn't 390 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:55.000 bother me because because like I said, he is you know, 391 00:20:55.119 --> 00:20:57.400 Jason said, he's like one of the judges. He's just 392 00:20:57.480 --> 00:21:00.519 the modern version of that. So he's the popular chair gase. 393 00:21:00.759 --> 00:21:01.200 I mean, I. 394 00:21:02.680 --> 00:21:04.559 Got what he represented. 395 00:21:04.799 --> 00:21:08.359 I just want to know how, you know, how this 396 00:21:08.559 --> 00:21:11.279 all It just left me one and you know, like 397 00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:15.559 it's sometimes showing less is more, but in this instance, 398 00:21:15.799 --> 00:21:17.799 it just made me go. 399 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:21.519 I guess he got there by climbing the rungs to 400 00:21:21.599 --> 00:21:24.000 be the most popular. You know, he is the guy. 401 00:21:24.079 --> 00:21:27.160