WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.480 --> 00:00:04.719 Shake off the January chill with Tradfest Ireland celebration of 2 00:00:04.759 --> 00:00:09.320 trad and folk music. This year, experience Eleanor McAvoy, Sharon Shannon, 3 00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:14.759 Hothouse Flowers, Something Happens, Steve wall Monday, Kila Alton, Ralph mctel, 4 00:00:14.880 --> 00:00:18.839 Frankie Gavin and Moore in Dublin's cathedrals, castles and pubs. 5 00:00:18.879 --> 00:00:21.960 Bring your friends, feel the dunes, make a night of it. 6 00:00:22.320 --> 00:00:26.079 Tradfest When Dublin Beats in real time. Tickets on sale 7 00:00:26.120 --> 00:00:28.079 now at Tradfest dot Com. 8 00:00:28.120 --> 00:00:31.559 I'm doctor Erwin Gill, Consultant pediatrician at Children's Health Ireland. 9 00:00:31.960 --> 00:00:34.280 In my line of work, I look after children who 10 00:00:34.320 --> 00:00:37.600 suffered traumatic brain injuries. In the last year, I've seen 11 00:00:37.640 --> 00:00:40.439 more than twenty children who have sustained a serious brain 12 00:00:40.479 --> 00:00:44.560 injury after a full riding anescooter. Many parents don't know 13 00:00:44.679 --> 00:00:47.439 it is illegal for children under sixteen to ride an 14 00:00:47.439 --> 00:00:50.359 ees scooter. The average stay in hospital for these children 15 00:00:50.439 --> 00:00:53.799 was nineteen days. These are serious injuries and some with 16 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:57.640 lifelong consequences. As someone who sees injured children on an 17 00:00:57.719 --> 00:01:01.399 all too regular basis, I'm asked, can you please do 18 00:01:01.520 --> 00:01:04.319 not allow any child under sixteen to ride an east 19 00:01:04.319 --> 00:01:07.319 scooter A message from Children's South Ireland on the Road 20 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:08.159 Safety Authority. 21 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:14.079 Meaning a live man like this man letting butterfly, flapping 22 00:01:14.120 --> 00:01:16.439 his wing, big down in the forest. Man gonna cause 23 00:01:16.480 --> 00:01:22.560 a tree fall, letting five thousand miles away. Man, nobody's seen, nobody. 24 00:01:26.280 --> 00:01:30.200 You know, mean, no man like you. A little story 25 00:01:30.239 --> 00:01:32.840 and you got directed like that man. That's the way. Man. 26 00:01:33.239 --> 00:01:36.079 Don't like a dang on the pan. Man, No matter. 27 00:01:36.159 --> 00:01:46.680 Man all right. Peter Brimmelo, Welcome to the Jay Burdens Show. 28 00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:48.519 How are you doing? Thank you for having me on, Jay, 29 00:01:48.519 --> 00:01:49.200 Happy New Year. 30 00:01:50.439 --> 00:01:53.920 I'm very happy to have you on. You and I 31 00:01:54.079 --> 00:01:57.040 met at the East Coast Forum event put on by 32 00:01:57.159 --> 00:02:00.599 the OGC the Old Glory Club and had a very 33 00:02:00.599 --> 00:02:03.159 interesting conversation. I've been aware of your work for quite 34 00:02:03.200 --> 00:02:06.359 a long time and I was really excited to meet 35 00:02:06.400 --> 00:02:09.800 you face to face. But even though I've been following 36 00:02:09.840 --> 00:02:12.439 your work for I mean gears at this point, some 37 00:02:12.479 --> 00:02:16.520 of my audience might not have so Peter, who are 38 00:02:16.520 --> 00:02:18.080 you well? 39 00:02:18.319 --> 00:02:20.479 I'm Peter Brumlow. As you can tell from my accent, 40 00:02:20.560 --> 00:02:23.680 I was born in England. I've been here for fifty 41 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:28.199 six years. Fifty five years FI sixth and September, my 42 00:02:28.599 --> 00:02:31.000 twin brother and I decided all was lost in England 43 00:02:31.080 --> 00:02:35.439 in the late sixties, and so we organized ourselves to 44 00:02:35.479 --> 00:02:39.680 go to the Business School of Stanford in California. And 45 00:02:42.039 --> 00:02:44.199 I never returned to North America. I was in Carada 46 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:46.479 for ten years. I never left North America. I was 47 00:02:46.479 --> 00:02:49.680 in Carada for ten years, and then in financial journalism, 48 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:52.960 and then I came down to the US. I worked 49 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:56.520 for Santa are in Hats from Utah, amazingly enough, for 50 00:02:56.520 --> 00:02:59.199 at that time was thought of as a presidential contender 51 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:02.919 before he went native in Washington. And then I worked 52 00:03:02.919 --> 00:03:09.840 in financial journalism. I was at Barons and Forbes and 53 00:03:10.319 --> 00:03:14.400 Fortune and Forbes, and I wrote highly technical investment stuff 54 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:18.479 for CBS what was then CBS market Watch was subsequently 55 00:03:18.520 --> 00:03:22.719 bought by Dow Jones. But I also I also moonlighted 56 00:03:22.719 --> 00:03:28.159 in conservative journalism. On one stage in the late eighties 57 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:32.400 and early nineties, I was a senior International Review, although 58 00:03:32.439 --> 00:03:35.240 I was never full time there, and I wrote a 59 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:39.360 piece on immigrationism also in a great interest of mine, 60 00:03:39.400 --> 00:03:42.639 And in ninety two I wrote a peace called Time 61 00:03:42.680 --> 00:03:47.199 to Rethink Immigration, which is occasionally credited with restarting the 62 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:51.400 American immigration debate, and that became a book in ninety 63 00:03:51.479 --> 00:03:54.879 five called Alien Nation, Common Sense about America's immigration, which 64 00:03:54.919 --> 00:03:58.319 is sort of a could hit. And then the other 65 00:03:58.360 --> 00:04:00.680 side had struck back. There was a brief savage civil 66 00:04:00.719 --> 00:04:04.159 war in the conservative movement about immigration, which we lost, 67 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:09.439 and immigration patriots were polished from Nash Review and vanished 68 00:04:09.639 --> 00:04:11.960 everywhere that we had. At that point, we had no outlet. 69 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:15.319 But fortunately Internet came along and I started my website 70 00:04:15.400 --> 00:04:18.319 v dare, which is named after Virginia Dare, who was 71 00:04:18.360 --> 00:04:22.399 the first English child, not for first white chad as 72 00:04:22.399 --> 00:04:25.120 there sometimes said to be born in the New World. 73 00:04:25.240 --> 00:04:28.759 She was born in the Lost Colony in fifteen eighty eight, 74 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:32.040 and of course nobody knows what happened to her. And 75 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:35.360 we continued over twenty five years. I built be there 76 00:04:35.439 --> 00:04:39.519 up into something of a force, and we had a 77 00:04:39.560 --> 00:04:44.600 significant readership and we published a lot of significantly important people. 78 00:04:44.759 --> 00:04:47.399 So you had Kevin Deana on on your show show 79 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:50.040 just recently. He worked for us off and on for 80 00:04:50.120 --> 00:04:54.240 more more than ten years. But then VDARE was a 81 00:04:54.279 --> 00:04:56.399 five one C three a charity. It was registered in 82 00:04:56.480 --> 00:05:00.040 New York. We know it because in nineteen ninety nine, 83 00:05:00.360 --> 00:05:03.279 when nobody ever heard of law Fair or or the 84 00:05:03.399 --> 00:05:08.800 teacher James. Just almost four years ago, we suddenly received 85 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:13.720 a wave of subpoenas from the teacher James, and she 86 00:05:13.759 --> 00:05:18.480 basically has law fired us to death. She drove us. 87 00:05:18.519 --> 00:05:22.519 We spent over nearly a million and a half dollars 88 00:05:22.519 --> 00:05:26.240 in legal fees, and we're trying trying to avoid giving 89 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:34.399 up our writers' names and our our donus names, and 90 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:37.879 we just rud right out of money. And I suspended 91 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:44.680 the site in April. In July twenty twenty four because 92 00:05:44.720 --> 00:05:47.319 we'd had so many confidence we were trying to hold conferences, 93 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:51.680 and we had been trying to hold conferences, and between 94 00:05:51.680 --> 00:05:55.360 about twenty fifteen about twenty nineteen, we had something like 95 00:05:55.439 --> 00:05:58.319 fifteen different hotels cancel on us. The oars caved as 96 00:05:58.360 --> 00:06:00.839 soon as they came under pressure, and everybody on the 97 00:06:00.839 --> 00:06:04.480 distance right had this problem. American Nations, of course solved 98 00:06:04.480 --> 00:06:09.079 it by going to Tennessee, to a state owned facility 99 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:13.399 in montgomer Bell State Park for its conferences. But we 100 00:06:13.480 --> 00:06:16.639 solved it by buying our own venue, and that's the 101 00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:20.319 Berkeley Springs Castle here in Berkeley Springs, West Virginia, which 102 00:06:20.360 --> 00:06:23.360 really remodeled, and then we start begun to put conferences 103 00:06:23.399 --> 00:06:26.120 on but we haven't been able to do that recently 104 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:30.199 because it's so pre occupied with this fan pass quid 105 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:31.879 that's attached itself to us. 106 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:38.399 There are several things there. You and your organization were 107 00:06:38.959 --> 00:06:42.560 very much a head of the curve. It's something I 108 00:06:42.600 --> 00:06:49.399 find interesting talking to older people, particularly of the silent 109 00:06:49.439 --> 00:06:53.199 generation in the Boomers, is that for many of them 110 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:57.040 it is hard to understand why immigration is such a 111 00:06:57.079 --> 00:07:01.360 primary issue for younger people. Obviously, materials, the material conditions 112 00:07:01.360 --> 00:07:04.079 have changed, but when I talked to it, you know, 113 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:06.720 even my own grandfather, who have a very good relationship 114 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:09.759 with he is continually confused by that fact. And he 115 00:07:09.839 --> 00:07:12.800 says this was simply not a major issue for a 116 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:17.000 large portion of his life. And I think that that's 117 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:20.560 an interesting and interesting thing to discuss. You mentioned that 118 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:23.319 you wrote a piece that sort of kickstarted this debate, 119 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:26.759 But can you speak to sort of the beforetime when 120 00:07:26.800 --> 00:07:27.759 immigration is not. 121 00:07:27.759 --> 00:07:30.480 I mean thing about it. The thing about immigration to 122 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:34.040 the US is that it comes in waves, and there 123 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:37.360 have been really substantial waves, and then the map periods 124 00:07:37.360 --> 00:07:40.319 when there's no immigration at all or very little immigration. 125 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:43.720 For example, after the Revolution, that wasn't really significant immigration 126 00:07:43.800 --> 00:07:48.000 until the eighteen fourteries. Now what happened in the nineteen twenties, 127 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:50.759 there was a huge in between eighteen and eighteen nineteen twenty, 128 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:53.439 there was a huge wave. And it was also a 129 00:07:53.480 --> 00:07:56.040 different way than than that it had come in before. 130 00:07:56.439 --> 00:07:58.759 A lot of Eastern Europeans and so on. I mean, 131 00:07:58.759 --> 00:08:00.920 they appeared different to people who were here at the time. 132 00:08:01.399 --> 00:08:04.480 Of course, nothing compared to what we've had subsequently. Anyway, 133 00:08:04.480 --> 00:08:09.040 in mid nineteen twenties, Americans just cut off immigration the 134 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:14.319 nineteen twenty four Immigration Act, and they not only cut 135 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:16.920 it off but extill it is allowed at tall it 136 00:08:16.959 --> 00:08:20.079 was allowed proportion to the ethnic groups that were already 137 00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:24.040 in the country, so that for example, Northwest Europe was 138 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:28.560 favored and other groups were completely cut out, I mean 139 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:31.040 the no ation, no Asans, and no Blacks and so on. 140 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:37.399 And for over forty years there was essentially no immigration 141 00:08:37.480 --> 00:08:40.399 to the US from the twenty four until maybe six 142 00:08:40.519 --> 00:08:46.759 sixty eight, and in fact there was emigration in the thirties, 143 00:08:47.639 --> 00:08:50.159 and that meant that whole generation of people grew up 144 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:55.159 who would never thought about immigration, were completely unaware of it, 145 00:08:55.159 --> 00:08:57.519 didn't give any thought to it at all. And you know, 146 00:08:57.600 --> 00:08:59.919 generally speaking, and you see the same thing academics. You know, 147 00:09:00.120 --> 00:09:02.679 it's not that one group of ideas defeats another group 148 00:09:02.679 --> 00:09:06.200 of ideas. It's just that the academics hold the earlier 149 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:09.480 ideas die off and they're replaced by new people. And 150 00:09:09.519 --> 00:09:11.720 that's what really needed to happen with the immigration debate. 151 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:18.559 I was always aware of the immigration issue for various reasons. Well, 152 00:09:18.600 --> 00:09:21.080 I'm just back up a second. In ninety sixty five, 153 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:24.799 the Congress, in this law where nobody thought about immigration, 154 00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:28.840 passed the Heart Salar Act, which basically through the borders open, 155 00:09:29.799 --> 00:09:31.720 and it threw them open in a very peculiar way, 156 00:09:31.840 --> 00:09:35.679 prioritize what they call family unification, which meant basically got 157 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:38.080 chain migration from the few countries that we're able to 158 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:44.120 come in and get establish establish a base here. And 159 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:47.320 it was also vastly greater than anybody thought was going 160 00:09:47.360 --> 00:09:51.720 to happen. I mean, Teddy Keredy at the time testified 161 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:54.039 I think no Robert Caredy at the time testified that 162 00:09:54.080 --> 00:09:56.559 he expected immigration, which was then running about one hundred 163 00:09:56.600 --> 00:09:59.519 to two thousand year, might go go up to half million, 164 00:09:59.679 --> 00:10:03.720 and then it would received. What's actually happened is it's uh, 165 00:10:04.080 --> 00:10:06.919 it's been running that over mini a year consistently for 166 00:10:08.000 --> 00:10:10.440 since in ninety sixty eight when they when the heart 167 00:10:10.519 --> 00:10:16.399 cellar art took effect. And at the same time, the 168 00:10:16.559 --> 00:10:19.360 for reasons would be were looking into the American authorts 169 00:10:19.399 --> 00:10:22.200 has just simply stopped enforcing the law against the legal immigration. 170 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:25.799 So he got this tremendous surge of illegal immigration. There 171 00:10:25.799 --> 00:10:28.320 had been a surge of illegal immigration in the fifties, 172 00:10:29.039 --> 00:10:32.000 but eisen Now stopped it in six months with his 173 00:10:32.279 --> 00:10:35.000 operation went back and the over a million and a 174 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:39.120 half illegal immigrants left the country. Uh, not all that 175 00:10:39.159 --> 00:10:42.840 many were deported, maybe about two hundred thousand were deported, 176 00:10:42.879 --> 00:10:44.879 but that was enough to trigger a stampede of them 177 00:10:44.960 --> 00:10:48.399 leaving on their own accord. That's why we consistently said 178 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:51.720 that this would happen if the board, if it was 179 00:10:51.759 --> 00:10:55.200 a serious effort to deport any number, any numbers of immigrants, 180 00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:59.000 that will be will be massive self deportation. And that 181 00:10:59.120 --> 00:11:04.480 is in fact what's happened now. I guess a straight 182 00:11:04.480 --> 00:11:06.679 along way from your question, Jerry, what do you want 183 00:11:06.679 --> 00:11:06.799 to know? 184 00:11:07.480 --> 00:11:11.000 And I wanted to bring something into that because of 185 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:15.639 course you mentioned the shift to prioritizing family reunification, because 186 00:11:15.679 --> 00:11:19.559 obviously this runs into another one of the kind of 187 00:11:19.559 --> 00:11:24.279 great American poison pills, which is birthright citizenship. So of 188 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:27.279 course you know if you have someone here illegally a 189 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:31.000 child is born, well you have a new citizen, any 190 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:34.399 new family which can be reunified. But what I asked 191 00:11:34.679 --> 00:11:38.600 was specifically to talk about the time before immigration was 192 00:11:38.960 --> 00:11:41.799 a political issue and how it became one. 193 00:11:42.399 --> 00:11:45.559 Well, you know, I've always been in an immigration issue, 194 00:11:45.559 --> 00:11:48.000 partly because I'm myself an immigrants, so I went through 195 00:11:48.039 --> 00:11:51.720 the system I can see how opuny and irrational it is. 196 00:11:51.919 --> 00:11:55.240 And partly because as immensely influenced by Enoch Powell was 197 00:11:55.639 --> 00:12:00.440 outstanding political figure of the twentieth century in Britain, and 198 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:06.360 that definitely includes to Winston Churchill. And I was thinking 199 00:12:06.399 --> 00:12:08.639 about immigration that ever since he made his great speech 200 00:12:08.639 --> 00:12:11.840 in sixty eight it's the so called Rivers of Blood speech. 201 00:12:12.320 --> 00:12:14.080 So I was always interested in this question. And I 202 00:12:14.080 --> 00:12:19.919 remember when I was a fortune in goodness me in 203 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:22.759 the in the early eighties. I tried to I tried 204 00:12:22.799 --> 00:12:26.240 to get them interested in the question, but they just wouldn't. 205 00:12:27.879 --> 00:12:29.799 They didn't see it being discussed in the page in the 206 00:12:29.799 --> 00:12:33.279 New York Times, so therefore it wasn't it wasn't it 207 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:38.080 wasn't it wasn't newsworthy. If the New York Times hadn't mentioned, 208 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:40.960 it wasn't newsworthy. And in those days, that was before 209 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:44.639 the FCC changes which made talk radio possible, they had 210 00:12:44.639 --> 00:12:48.639 this so called balance through where you weren't supposed to 211 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:53.120 express political opinions on radio without giving the opposite time 212 00:12:53.120 --> 00:12:55.399 to the opposite side, with the result that radio stations 213 00:12:55.399 --> 00:12:58.960 didn't express political opinions. But they were changing regulations in 214 00:12:59.000 --> 00:13:01.799 the in the mid eighties, and they taught radio much 215 00:13:01.799 --> 00:13:04.840 more active, and some immigrations began to occur there simply 216 00:13:04.799 --> 00:13:07.519 because people would call radio hosts and ask about it. 217 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:10.960 But you're completely right. I mean, for example, in the 218 00:13:11.039 --> 00:13:13.799 after I wrote my Time to Rethink Immigration piece in 219 00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:18.440 National Review. In those days, I was I was pretty 220 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:21.519 well into the conservative cateacomb that exists in New York 221 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:27.399 of journalists and foundation executives and so on, people who 222 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:30.320 wouldn't be seen dead with me today. But I remember 223 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:34.759 we had a dinner at one of the Union League 224 00:13:34.799 --> 00:13:37.279 I believe, and Bob Bartley to the Wards the Journal 225 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:39.720 was there to specifically to argue with me, which he 226 00:13:39.759 --> 00:13:41.639 did in a very stupid way. He I mean, he 227 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:44.759 would say things like, it's completely impossible close the southern border. 228 00:13:46.080 --> 00:13:48.480 It can't be done. And macross is that you know, 229 00:13:48.480 --> 00:13:49.960 this is the character that sent a mount to the moon. 230 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:51.919 Of course it can close the southern border if they 231 00:13:51.960 --> 00:13:55.440 wont spec there's the built forty thousand miles of interstate, 232 00:13:56.000 --> 00:13:59.200 the southern borders two and a half thousand miles across. 233 00:13:59.320 --> 00:14:01.840 Of course, to an offense from it, he could build 234 00:14:02.240 --> 00:14:04.360 a hundred foot wall about it if they want to 235 00:14:04.399 --> 00:14:06.159 do it. The problem is that they didn't want to 236 00:14:06.159 --> 00:14:08.720 do it. The political elite didn't want to do it 237 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:12.279 for reasons which again are worth looking into. But left 238 00:14:12.279 --> 00:14:15.759 and right didn't want to do it. But one of 239 00:14:15.759 --> 00:14:19.440 the principal chief foundation executives there, who I won't name 240 00:14:19.519 --> 00:14:21.759 or who were still active, who called him up afterwards 241 00:14:21.799 --> 00:14:24.120 and said, I've never heard of anantissist before immigration Now 242 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:26.320 he'd never heard of it. He had no idea what 243 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:30.200 what was governing immigration to the country in those days. 244 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:34.200 If you taught to people, they would think they regarded 245 00:14:34.279 --> 00:14:37.200 immigration candid like rain or the weather or something. It 246 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:39.559 just came and went oous on a court. They didn't 247 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:41.519 realize it was a government policy. They had just no 248 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:44.639 idea of conception that at all. And similarly, the idea 249 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:46.720 of the birth right syste the point that you mentioned. 250 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:50.039 You know, in the early days, we quite often get 251 00:14:50.039 --> 00:14:52.240 people saying, well, it's in the constitution. Of course you're 252 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:54.879 not in the constitution. It's just a judicial interpretation. But 253 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:57.639 even as later as when McCain was running for president, 254 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:00.279 people who will raise this question with him and would 255 00:15:00.279 --> 00:15:03.639 say it was in the constitution. I mean, in his 256 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:05.919 case it was just willful ignorance. But you're right, the 257 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:09.600 amount of the amount of discussion of immigration, Sue was. 258 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:13.840 To anybody who wasn't there, it just it must be 259 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:16.320 amazing to think that they realize that there was no 260 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:19.559 discussion immigration. People just didn't realize that it was there. 261 00:15:20.720 --> 00:15:22.919 But of course when it did really really suggly ahead. 262 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:25.279 In the fourth of my article, the for about after 263 00:15:25.320 --> 00:15:28.120 I published my article, for about five years we were 264 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:33.720 campaigning and we campaigned the National View against immigration and 265 00:15:34.080 --> 00:15:36.559 we challenged the walls to journal which was sort of 266 00:15:36.559 --> 00:15:39.559 the intellectually leaves of the conservative movement which was fanatical 267 00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:47.120 open borders, had a fanatical open borders line. And then 268 00:15:47.720 --> 00:15:50.519 Bill Buckley basically established in the back. He fired John 269 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:53.159 as the earlier to a National Review, and he purged 270 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:57.639 the magazine of Immigration Patriots, and for several years they 271 00:15:57.639 --> 00:15:59.720 didn't say anything about immigration to all. They went back 272 00:15:59.759 --> 00:16:02.360 to top silence. As the Waters and I pointed out, 273 00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:06.120 they said, immigration is no longer issue. This has ceased 274 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:08.559 to be a political issue. That was in about two thousand. 275 00:16:08.720 --> 00:16:14.039 In about when you get to marriage. You have to 276 00:16:13.679 --> 00:16:17.960 to keeping the decades straight. It must have been about 277 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:23.039 two thousand. Uh when when when they ran and paused, 278 00:16:23.039 --> 00:16:25.080 You go, what the calm saying this ceased to be 279 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:28.080 a political issue. Well, of course it hadn't cease to 280 00:16:28.120 --> 00:16:31.159 become a political issue, and they, naturally view went back 281 00:16:31.200 --> 00:16:35.639 to discussing immigration. After nine to eleven a part they 282 00:16:35.639 --> 00:16:38.360 got word from nail Concentral that it was now okay 283 00:16:38.360 --> 00:16:41.919 to discuss immigration. I mean, that's the other thing that's amazing, 284 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:46.120 amazing to me that people have changed. Norman pot Horz 285 00:16:46.240 --> 00:16:49.120 was the great leader of the of the this neo conservative. 286 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:51.759 It was a Jewish faction basically in the based in 287 00:16:51.799 --> 00:16:54.639 New York, but had enormous influence all the rest of 288 00:16:54.679 --> 00:16:56.759 the conservative movement. At the end of his life and 289 00:16:56.759 --> 00:16:58.720 he died, I'm sorry to say, just a few weeks ago. 290 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:01.399 It was in his nineties, at the end of his life. 291 00:17:01.440 --> 00:17:04.440 He suddenly gives into saying it's changed his mind. And immigration, immigrations, 292 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:07.799 there's a limit to how many immiuts we can have now, 293 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:13.240 he tells us. It was twenty years, twenty years, nearly 294 00:17:13.240 --> 00:17:15.759 thirty years after he spent a great deal of time 295 00:17:15.880 --> 00:17:18.799 undermining of Sullivan and getting pocketed fire and so on, 296 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:21.640 and of course he's arguably too late. She the same 297 00:17:21.680 --> 00:17:25.359 thing with Ben Shapiro. He's in this war with Tucker Carlson. 298 00:17:25.759 --> 00:17:28.319 And in the interview again, I guess i'll Megan Kelly, 299 00:17:28.319 --> 00:17:31.240 he said, of course, of course Tucker's done some good things. 300 00:17:31.799 --> 00:17:36.680 He's he's very good and immigration, Tucky's in favorite immigration moratorium. 301 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:40.960 You know, ten years ago Shapiro denounced me actually in 302 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:43.839 National View as a white supremacist for no other reason 303 00:17:43.880 --> 00:17:46.599 than that who was calling for immigration to be reduced. 304 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:49.319 So he's given away on that too. I guess they 305 00:17:49.359 --> 00:17:51.279 think they have more important things to worry about. Now 306 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:56.400 they're concerned about They're concerned about protecting Israel, and they 307 00:17:56.440 --> 00:18:00.359 just decided they after showing their front and not some 308 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:03.039 of these other issues which were mostly attached to for 309 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:04.720 essentially rational reasons. 310 00:18:06.279 --> 00:18:11.240 Well, and that's an interesting point because Chris Zeman, uh, 311 00:18:11.559 --> 00:18:16.160 you know, recently departed, consistently made this point about immigration 312 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:19.559 in the nineteen twenties, where and I'm paraphrasing here, but 313 00:18:19.599 --> 00:18:23.119 he said immigration didn't end until rich people started being 314 00:18:23.119 --> 00:18:26.000 blown up, and when you have anarchists running around, it 315 00:18:26.000 --> 00:18:29.960 became dangerous. Sure, there was still the benefit of cheap 316 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:35.079 labor people who were unlikely to unionize. That was still there, 317 00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:38.200 but it became real all of a sudden, there's a threat. 318 00:18:38.440 --> 00:18:40.680 And I think you see a very similar thing happening 319 00:18:40.680 --> 00:18:44.839 with exactly those figures you mentioned before. Where as much 320 00:18:44.839 --> 00:18:48.200 as they like immigration, now there's something much closer to 321 00:18:48.279 --> 00:18:50.839 home that is being threatened, and so they're sort of 322 00:18:50.880 --> 00:18:54.519 pulling their resources, you know, away from this peripheraliation. 323 00:18:54.640 --> 00:18:57.519 Well, it's true for I mean parts in Shapiro Cours 324 00:18:57.559 --> 00:18:59.880 the Zionists, and the fundamental interest is in protecting it, 325 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:04.000 and they have their hands full on that front right now, 326 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:05.880 and so they're not going to fight on the sort 327 00:19:05.880 --> 00:19:08.599 of extension issue which was which was devascinating in the 328 00:19:08.680 --> 00:19:10.480 US because they made them feel more common toively in 329 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:14.480 bidding deratinated as societies. But it is also true, and 330 00:19:14.519 --> 00:19:16.960 this is why I think the elections mandam is is 331 00:19:17.000 --> 00:19:19.480 so important in New York. It's also true that it's 332 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:24.400 quite clearly detabilized American politics. It's making possible. Elon Musk 333 00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:26.559 treated this this morning. I think, though, well, the Democrats 334 00:19:26.759 --> 00:19:30.359 intend to do is flood the country with immigrants and 335 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:33.880 then with harvest the votes and established one party state, 336 00:19:33.920 --> 00:19:38.279 so as they're done in California and the certain center 337 00:19:38.440 --> 00:19:43.200 in Maryland and so on. So I think that I 338 00:19:43.200 --> 00:19:46.160 think Mandali means what he says, and that that life 339 00:19:46.240 --> 00:19:48.599 is going to get quite uncomfortable rich people in New York. 340 00:19:49.039 --> 00:19:52.039 And of course Mandama was elected because of the immigrant vote. 341 00:19:52.400 --> 00:19:56.319 Native for Americans and who lived in New York vote 342 00:19:56.359 --> 00:19:59.319 voted for Cuomo or for the sleeve world. If the 343 00:19:59.319 --> 00:20:02.359 immigrants have they put him over with Tom. So I 344 00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:04.720 would have thought that people draw conclusions from this, But 345 00:20:05.000 --> 00:20:07.880 you know, I've been thinking people got to conclusions about 346 00:20:07.880 --> 00:20:10.200 this for many years, and it's taken a hell of 347 00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:10.839 a long time. 348 00:20:12.279 --> 00:20:15.039 Well, and on that point, I think there are two 349 00:20:15.160 --> 00:20:19.039 interesting dynamics. So as I was saying, there are two 350 00:20:19.039 --> 00:20:22.480 interesting dynamics as well that I think come into play here, 351 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:27.960 which is one radically different character of immigrant, like we're 352 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:32.279 taking from different places. Obviously, Hispanic migration is the I mean, 353 00:20:32.319 --> 00:20:36.559 the major trend of the last sixty years. But also 354 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:41.079 we have seen a large amount of Islamic immigration, particularly 355 00:20:41.079 --> 00:20:45.559 from places like Somalia, but also from Nigeria, Pakistan as 356 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:49.920 well as other nations. And I mean Mamdani is an 357 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:53.559 example of that, which is sort of a fascinating change 358 00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:58.920 because look, I don't think and I'm not going to 359 00:20:58.960 --> 00:21:01.759 pretend to be a you know, an expert on the issue. 360 00:21:02.079 --> 00:21:06.039 It doesn't seem to me that many El Salvadorans particularly 361 00:21:06.039 --> 00:21:11.079 care about the state of Israel, but Muslims from areas 362 00:21:11.119 --> 00:21:14.400 around Israel very much do. And so when you look 363 00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:17.799 at someone like Mamdani, who I think that a lot 364 00:21:17.799 --> 00:21:20.960 of the coverage of him from the kind of legacy 365 00:21:20.960 --> 00:21:23.839 conservative press has been a little bit sensational. I don't 366 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:27.480 think he is a jihattist. He has other issues you 367 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:31.200 know that that preclude me from supporting him, But fundamentally, 368 00:21:31.240 --> 00:21:35.160 I think that's an interesting element as well. That and 369 00:21:35.240 --> 00:21:38.119 we've seen this since the you know, October seventh, that 370 00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:41.680 there have been these sort of ethnic conflicts erupting across 371 00:21:41.680 --> 00:21:45.680 the nation, setting aside even the anti Ice riots, which 372 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:48.759 certainly have a racial ethnic component to them. Right, people 373 00:21:48.880 --> 00:21:52.039 chanting about Loraza. But all of a sudden, and this 374 00:21:52.119 --> 00:21:55.319 is something Canada has faced with their Sikh population. You're 375 00:21:55.359 --> 00:22:00.680 seeing other countries' disputes being waged on our streets. So 376 00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:03.839 I'm curious, what do you make of that dynamic, the 377 00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:06.920 fact that we are pulling from different nations than we 378 00:22:06.960 --> 00:22:09.799 were even ten, twenty thirty years ago. 379 00:22:10.319 --> 00:22:13.240 Well, of course it's completely suicidal. I mean, what the 380 00:22:13.279 --> 00:22:16.119 government is doing is electing a new There's a famous Joggler, 381 00:22:16.160 --> 00:22:18.519 but how Brett made about fifty three rising in East 382 00:22:18.559 --> 00:22:21.880 Germany against the Communists government. He said, what the government 383 00:22:21.920 --> 00:22:23.839 should do is dissolve the people in the elect a 384 00:22:23.839 --> 00:22:27.640 new one. Well, that's exactly what the American American government, 385 00:22:27.640 --> 00:22:30.400 actually governments throughout the West are doing. For reasons which 386 00:22:31.720 --> 00:22:34.319 bear thinking about, what is that is the purpose of 387 00:22:34.359 --> 00:22:39.880 this The most important difference with this post sixty five 388 00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:43.119 stream is that it was non white. It's heavily non white, 389 00:22:43.559 --> 00:22:47.359 and I'm only about ten percent of the immigrants have 390 00:22:47.440 --> 00:22:51.480 comments since since sixty five were including me a white 391 00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:56.440 or all the others come from all over the world, 392 00:22:56.480 --> 00:23:00.400 as you say, predominantly has created two new men artists, 393 00:23:00.440 --> 00:23:03.599 basically Hispanics on the one hand and Asians on the other. 394 00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:07.039 Decent ply weren't present in the US before. There were 395 00:23:07.440 --> 00:23:10.440 some Chinatowns and so on, but it was from an 396 00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:14.359 immigration wave in the nineteen cent that had been deliberately 397 00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:19.880 cut off. So and what that's done is it's moved 398 00:23:20.559 --> 00:23:22.839 the US from being about ninety percent white as it 399 00:23:23.000 --> 00:23:27.119 was in nineteen sixty to being probably less than sixty 400 00:23:27.160 --> 00:23:29.759 percent white now. And this is a particular poem for 401 00:23:29.799 --> 00:23:32.160