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Speaker 2: I'm doctor Erwin Gill, Consultant pediatrician at Children's Health Ireland.

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In my line of work, I look after children who

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suffered traumatic brain injuries. In the last year, I've seen

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more than twenty children who have sustained a serious brain

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injury after a full riding anescooter. Many parents don't know

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it is illegal for children under sixteen to ride an

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ees scooter. The average stay in hospital for these children

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was nineteen days. These are serious injuries and some with

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lifelong consequences. As someone who sees injured children on an

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all too regular basis, I'm asked, can you please do

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not allow any child under sixteen to ride an east

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scooter A message from Children's South Ireland on the Road

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Safety Authority.

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Speaker 3: Meaning a live man like this man letting butterfly, flapping

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his wing, big down in the forest. Man gonna cause

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a tree fall, letting five thousand miles away. Man, nobody's seen, nobody.

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Speaker 4: You know, mean, no man like you. A little story

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and you got directed like that man. That's the way. Man.

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Speaker 3: Don't like a dang on the pan. Man, No matter.

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Speaker 5: Man all right. Peter Brimmelo, Welcome to the Jay Burdens Show.

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Speaker 4: How are you doing? Thank you for having me on, Jay,

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Happy New Year.

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Speaker 5: I'm very happy to have you on. You and I

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met at the East Coast Forum event put on by

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the OGC the Old Glory Club and had a very

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interesting conversation. I've been aware of your work for quite

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a long time and I was really excited to meet

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you face to face. But even though I've been following

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your work for I mean gears at this point, some

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of my audience might not have so Peter, who are

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you well?

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Speaker 4: I'm Peter Brumlow. As you can tell from my accent,

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I was born in England. I've been here for fifty

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six years. Fifty five years FI sixth and September, my

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twin brother and I decided all was lost in England

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in the late sixties, and so we organized ourselves to

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go to the Business School of Stanford in California. And

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I never returned to North America. I was in Carada

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for ten years. I never left North America. I was

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in Carada for ten years, and then in financial journalism,

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and then I came down to the US. I worked

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for Santa are in Hats from Utah, amazingly enough, for

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at that time was thought of as a presidential contender

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before he went native in Washington. And then I worked

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in financial journalism. I was at Barons and Forbes and

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Fortune and Forbes, and I wrote highly technical investment stuff

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for CBS what was then CBS market Watch was subsequently

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bought by Dow Jones. But I also I also moonlighted

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in conservative journalism. On one stage in the late eighties

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and early nineties, I was a senior International Review, although

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I was never full time there, and I wrote a

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piece on immigrationism also in a great interest of mine,

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And in ninety two I wrote a peace called Time

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to Rethink Immigration, which is occasionally credited with restarting the

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American immigration debate, and that became a book in ninety

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five called Alien Nation, Common Sense about America's immigration, which

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is sort of a could hit. And then the other

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side had struck back. There was a brief savage civil

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war in the conservative movement about immigration, which we lost,

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and immigration patriots were polished from Nash Review and vanished

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everywhere that we had. At that point, we had no outlet.

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But fortunately Internet came along and I started my website

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v dare, which is named after Virginia Dare, who was

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the first English child, not for first white chad as

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there sometimes said to be born in the New World.

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She was born in the Lost Colony in fifteen eighty eight,

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and of course nobody knows what happened to her. And

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we continued over twenty five years. I built be there

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up into something of a force, and we had a

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significant readership and we published a lot of significantly important people.

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So you had Kevin Deana on on your show show

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just recently. He worked for us off and on for

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more more than ten years. But then VDARE was a

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five one C three a charity. It was registered in

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New York. We know it because in nineteen ninety nine,

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when nobody ever heard of law Fair or or the

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teacher James. Just almost four years ago, we suddenly received

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a wave of subpoenas from the teacher James, and she

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basically has law fired us to death. She drove us.

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in legal fees, and we're trying trying to avoid giving

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up our writers' names and our our donus names, and

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we just rud right out of money. And I suspended

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the site in April. In July twenty twenty four because

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we'd had so many confidence we were trying to hold conferences,

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and we had been trying to hold conferences, and between

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about twenty fifteen about twenty nineteen, we had something like

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fifteen different hotels cancel on us. The oars caved as

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soon as they came under pressure, and everybody on the

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distance right had this problem. American Nations, of course solved

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it by going to Tennessee, to a state owned facility

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in montgomer Bell State Park for its conferences. But we

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solved it by buying our own venue, and that's the

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Berkeley Springs Castle here in Berkeley Springs, West Virginia, which

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really remodeled, and then we start begun to put conferences

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on but we haven't been able to do that recently

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because it's so pre occupied with this fan pass quid

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that's attached itself to us.

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Speaker 5: There are several things there. You and your organization were

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very much a head of the curve. It's something I

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find interesting talking to older people, particularly of the silent

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generation in the Boomers, is that for many of them

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it is hard to understand why immigration is such a

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primary issue for younger people. Obviously, materials, the material conditions

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have changed, but when I talked to it, you know,

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even my own grandfather, who have a very good relationship

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with he is continually confused by that fact. And he

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says this was simply not a major issue for a

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large portion of his life. And I think that that's

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an interesting and interesting thing to discuss. You mentioned that

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you wrote a piece that sort of kickstarted this debate,

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But can you speak to sort of the beforetime when

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immigration is not.

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Speaker 4: I mean thing about it. The thing about immigration to

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the US is that it comes in waves, and there

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have been really substantial waves, and then the map periods

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when there's no immigration at all or very little immigration.

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until the eighteen fourteries. Now what happened in the nineteen twenties,

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there was a huge in between eighteen and eighteen nineteen twenty,

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there was a huge wave. And it was also a

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different way than than that it had come in before.

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they appeared different to people who were here at the time.

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in mid nineteen twenties, Americans just cut off immigration the

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nineteen twenty four Immigration Act, and they not only cut

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it off but extill it is allowed at tall it

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was allowed proportion to the ethnic groups that were already

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in the country, so that for example, Northwest Europe was

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favored and other groups were completely cut out, I mean

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the no ation, no Asans, and no Blacks and so on.

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to the US from the twenty four until maybe six

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sixty eight, and in fact there was emigration in the thirties,

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and that meant that whole generation of people grew up

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who would never thought about immigration, were completely unaware of it,

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didn't give any thought to it at all. And you know,

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generally speaking, and you see the same thing academics. You know,

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it's not that one group of ideas defeats another group

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of ideas. It's just that the academics hold the earlier

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ideas die off and they're replaced by new people. And

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that's what really needed to happen with the immigration debate.

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I was always aware of the immigration issue for various reasons. Well,

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I'm just back up a second. In ninety sixty five,

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the Congress, in this law where nobody thought about immigration,

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passed the Heart Salar Act, which basically through the borders open,

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and it threw them open in a very peculiar way,

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prioritize what they call family unification, which meant basically got

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chain migration from the few countries that we're able to

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come in and get establish establish a base here. And

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it was also vastly greater than anybody thought was going

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to happen. I mean, Teddy Keredy at the time testified

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I think no Robert Caredy at the time testified that

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he expected immigration, which was then running about one hundred

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to two thousand year, might go go up to half million,

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and then it would received. What's actually happened is it's uh,

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it's been running that over mini a year consistently for

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since in ninety sixty eight when they when the heart

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cellar art took effect. And at the same time, the

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for reasons would be were looking into the American authorts

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has just simply stopped enforcing the law against the legal immigration.

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So he got this tremendous surge of illegal immigration. There

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had been a surge of illegal immigration in the fifties,

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but eisen Now stopped it in six months with his

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operation went back and the over a million and a

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half illegal immigrants left the country. Uh, not all that

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many were deported, maybe about two hundred thousand were deported,

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but that was enough to trigger a stampede of them

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leaving on their own accord. That's why we consistently said

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that this would happen if the board, if it was

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a serious effort to deport any number, any numbers of immigrants,

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that will be will be massive self deportation. And that

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is in fact what's happened now. I guess a straight

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along way from your question, Jerry, what do you want

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Speaker 5: And I wanted to bring something into that because of

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course you mentioned the shift to prioritizing family reunification, because

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obviously this runs into another one of the kind of

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great American poison pills, which is birthright citizenship. So of

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course you know if you have someone here illegally a

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child is born, well you have a new citizen, any

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new family which can be reunified. But what I asked

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was specifically to talk about the time before immigration was

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a political issue and how it became one.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, I've always been in an immigration issue,

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partly because I'm myself an immigrants, so I went through

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the system I can see how opuny and irrational it is.

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outstanding political figure of the twentieth century in Britain, and

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that definitely includes to Winston Churchill. And I was thinking

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about immigration that ever since he made his great speech

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in sixty eight it's the so called Rivers of Blood speech.

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So I was always interested in this question. And I

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the in the early eighties. I tried to I tried

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to get them interested in the question, but they just wouldn't.

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They didn't see it being discussed in the page in the

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New York Times, so therefore it wasn't it wasn't it

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wasn't it wasn't newsworthy. If the New York Times hadn't mentioned,

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it wasn't newsworthy. And in those days, that was before

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the FCC changes which made talk radio possible, they had

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this so called balance through where you weren't supposed to

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express political opinions on radio without giving the opposite time

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to the opposite side, with the result that radio stations

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didn't express political opinions. But they were changing regulations in

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the in the mid eighties, and they taught radio much

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more active, and some immigrations began to occur there simply

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because people would call radio hosts and ask about it.

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But you're completely right. I mean, for example, in the

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after I wrote my Time to Rethink Immigration piece in

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National Review. In those days, I was I was pretty

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well into the conservative cateacomb that exists in New York

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of journalists and foundation executives and so on, people who

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wouldn't be seen dead with me today. But I remember

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we had a dinner at one of the Union League

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I believe, and Bob Bartley to the Wards the Journal

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was there to specifically to argue with me, which he

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did in a very stupid way. He I mean, he

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would say things like, it's completely impossible close the southern border.

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It can't be done. And macross is that you know,

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this is the character that sent a mount to the moon.

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Of course it can close the southern border if they

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wont spec there's the built forty thousand miles of interstate,

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the southern borders two and a half thousand miles across.

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Of course, to an offense from it, he could build

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a hundred foot wall about it if they want to

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do it. The problem is that they didn't want to

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do it. The political elite didn't want to do it

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for reasons which again are worth looking into. But left

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and right didn't want to do it. But one of

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the principal chief foundation executives there, who I won't name

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or who were still active, who called him up afterwards

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and said, I've never heard of anantissist before immigration Now

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he'd never heard of it. He had no idea what

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what was governing immigration to the country in those days.

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immigration candid like rain or the weather or something. It

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just came and went oous on a court. They didn't

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realize it was a government policy. They had just no

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idea of conception that at all. And similarly, the idea

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of the birth right syste the point that you mentioned.

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people saying, well, it's in the constitution. Of course you're

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not in the constitution. It's just a judicial interpretation. But

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even as later as when McCain was running for president,

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people who will raise this question with him and would

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say it was in the constitution. I mean, in his

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case it was just willful ignorance. But you're right, the

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amount of the amount of discussion of immigration, Sue was.

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amazing to think that they realize that there was no

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discussion immigration. People just didn't realize that it was there.

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But of course when it did really really suggly ahead.

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campaigning and we campaigned the National View against immigration and

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we challenged the walls to journal which was sort of

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the intellectually leaves of the conservative movement which was fanatical

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open borders, had a fanatical open borders line. And then

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Bill Buckley basically established in the back. He fired John

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the magazine of Immigration Patriots, and for several years they

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didn't say anything about immigration to all. They went back

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to top silence. As the Waters and I pointed out,

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they said, immigration is no longer issue. This has ceased

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to be a political issue. That was in about two thousand.

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to keeping the decades straight. It must have been about

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two thousand. Uh when when when they ran and paused,

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a political issue. Well, of course it hadn't cease to

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become a political issue, and they, naturally view went back

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to discussing immigration. After nine to eleven a part they

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got word from nail Concentral that it was now okay

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to discuss immigration. I mean, that's the other thing that's amazing,

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amazing to me that people have changed. Norman pot Horz

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New York, but had enormous influence all the rest of

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the conservative movement. At the end of his life and

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he died, I'm sorry to say, just a few weeks ago.

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He suddenly gives into saying it's changed his mind. And immigration, immigrations,

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there's a limit to how many immiuts we can have now,

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he tells us. It was twenty years, twenty years, nearly

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thirty years after he spent a great deal of time

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undermining of Sullivan and getting pocketed fire and so on,

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and of course he's arguably too late. She the same

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thing with Ben Shapiro. He's in this war with Tucker Carlson.

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he said, of course, of course Tucker's done some good things.

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You know, ten years ago Shapiro denounced me actually in

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National View as a white supremacist for no other reason

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than that who was calling for immigration to be reduced.

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So he's given away on that too. I guess they

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think they have more important things to worry about. Now

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they're concerned about They're concerned about protecting Israel, and they

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just decided they after showing their front and not some

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of these other issues which were mostly attached to for

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essentially rational reasons.

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Speaker 5: Well, and that's an interesting point because Chris Zeman, uh,

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you know, recently departed, consistently made this point about immigration

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in the nineteen twenties, where and I'm paraphrasing here, but

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he said immigration didn't end until rich people started being

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blown up, and when you have anarchists running around, it

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became dangerous. Sure, there was still the benefit of cheap

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labor people who were unlikely to unionize. That was still there,

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but it became real all of a sudden, there's a threat.

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with exactly those figures you mentioned before. Where as much

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as they like immigration, now there's something much closer to

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home that is being threatened, and so they're sort of

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pulling their resources, you know, away from this peripheraliation.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's true for I mean parts in Shapiro Cours

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the Zionists, and the fundamental interest is in protecting it,

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and they have their hands full on that front right now,

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and so they're not going to fight on the sort

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of extension issue which was which was devascinating in the

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US because they made them feel more common toively in

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bidding deratinated as societies. But it is also true, and

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this is why I think the elections mandam is is

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so important in New York. It's also true that it's

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quite clearly detabilized American politics. It's making possible. Elon Musk

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treated this this morning. I think, though, well, the Democrats

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intend to do is flood the country with immigrants and

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then with harvest the votes and established one party state,

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so as they're done in California and the certain center

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in Maryland and so on. So I think that I

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think Mandali means what he says, and that that life

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is going to get quite uncomfortable rich people in New York.

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Native for Americans and who lived in New York vote

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voted for Cuomo or for the sleeve world. If the

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immigrants have they put him over with Tom. So I

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would have thought that people draw conclusions from this, But

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you know, I've been thinking people got to conclusions about

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this for many years, and it's taken a hell of

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Speaker 5: Well, and on that point, I think there are two

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interesting dynamics. So as I was saying, there are two

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interesting dynamics as well that I think come into play here,

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which is one radically different character of immigrant, like we're

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taking from different places. Obviously, Hispanic migration is the I mean,

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the major trend of the last sixty years. But also

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we have seen a large amount of Islamic immigration, particularly

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from places like Somalia, but also from Nigeria, Pakistan as

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well as other nations. And I mean Mamdani is an

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example of that, which is sort of a fascinating change

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because look, I don't think and I'm not going to

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pretend to be a you know, an expert on the issue.

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It doesn't seem to me that many El Salvadorans particularly

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care about the state of Israel, but Muslims from areas

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around Israel very much do. And so when you look

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at someone like Mamdani, who I think that a lot

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of the coverage of him from the kind of legacy

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conservative press has been a little bit sensational. I don't

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think he is a jihattist. He has other issues you

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know that that preclude me from supporting him, But fundamentally,

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I think that's an interesting element as well. That and

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we've seen this since the you know, October seventh, that

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there have been these sort of ethnic conflicts erupting across

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the nation, setting aside even the anti Ice riots, which

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certainly have a racial ethnic component to them. Right, people

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chanting about Loraza. But all of a sudden, and this

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is something Canada has faced with their Sikh population. You're

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seeing other countries' disputes being waged on our streets. So

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I'm curious, what do you make of that dynamic, the

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fact that we are pulling from different nations than we

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were even ten, twenty thirty years ago.

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Speaker 4: Well, of course it's completely suicidal. I mean, what the

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government is doing is electing a new There's a famous Joggler,

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but how Brett made about fifty three rising in East

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Germany against the Communists government. He said, what the government

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should do is dissolve the people in the elect a

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new one. Well, that's exactly what the American American government,

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actually governments throughout the West are doing. For reasons which

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bear thinking about, what is that is the purpose of

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this The most important difference with this post sixty five

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stream is that it was non white. It's heavily non white,

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and I'm only about ten percent of the immigrants have

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comments since since sixty five were including me a white

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or all the others come from all over the world,

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as you say, predominantly has created two new men artists,

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basically Hispanics on the one hand and Asians on the other.

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Decent ply weren't present in the US before. There were

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some Chinatowns and so on, but it was from an

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immigration wave in the nineteen cent that had been deliberately

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cut off. So and what that's done is it's moved

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the US from being about ninety percent white as it

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was in nineteen sixty to being probably less than sixty

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percent white now. And this is a particular poem for

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the Republican Party that was too stupid to realize it,

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because the Booking Party essentially is a white party all

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the ninety pens of its world so wide, the Democrats

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are actually a coalition of POC's people of color, use, homosexuals,

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and some whites. But we've done calculations and showed saying

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that the presidential vote that Democrats get, it's probably less

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than half what you might call normal whites. Now it's

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if you add the people called to the Jews and homosexuals,

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they're more than half the electoral vote that the public

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that the Democrats get. So there's kind of bipolar distribution ethnically,

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these two parties, Republicans and Democrats, they're represented representing completely

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different nations. And the problem that the Poems have got

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is that they are allowing their own nation to be

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driven even further into minority. And it's proved incredibly hard

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to get Republican consultants to grasp this fact. I mean,

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that is why you see this extraordinary ludicrous phenomena of Republicans,

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the great Black Hope phenomenon. They're always running these black

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candidates because they think it's going to get you know,

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like they did in Virginia. This last time wins some

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seers for governor. That is not going to help you

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turn out the white vote. And in fact, they only

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got about fifty three to fifty four percent of the

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white vote in Virginia. It's not surprised, it's not surprising

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at the lost, but for some reason it really appeals

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to Republican consultants, and I think think because it's a

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matter of the domos that makes the domors feel better well.

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Speaker 5: And this is the core of a piece that hasn't

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come out yet that I wrote for Chronicles, making exactly

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this point that the myth of the natural conservative, which

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has been around in the earliest instance I could find

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conveniently on the Internet is Ronald Reagan with his infamous

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line Latinos are Republicans, even if they don't know it

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yet and will. Certainly there have been in the case

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of Cubans in Florida, you know a few other edge cases.

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There has been some growth through a Republican party, but

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it's nowhere near a majority. It is a losing game fundamentally,

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and I think that there is this, and whether you

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want to call it residual guilt or whatever, which the

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idea seems to be that our political project is illegitimate

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unless we have broad minority support. That is what lends politics.

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It's legitimacy. And this is obviously not what I think,

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but it seemed to be what a large number of

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Republicans think, including Rod Dreyer, someone I cited in that

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article conservative luminary Brillin Holly Hand. Many of these figures

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who even now are being touted as you know, the

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great minds of this conservative movement are ultimately pulling from

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the same playbook that has lost the Republicans every election

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they've ever lost since nineteen sixty four. And it's so

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frustrating to me because, again, sitting aside any of your

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or my personal preferences, if you were simply looking this,

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you know, if you were examining the politics of Peru

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with you know, a similar situation, you would say, well,

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why does Red Team do this? Seemingly if they wanted

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to win, they'd make a very simple conclusion, and yet

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they will not. Sorry, we've began a ranting.

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Speaker 4: Particles and after two thousand election it'd be written by

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Steve Saila. Have you had Steve on by the way.

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Speaker 5: I have not, but I am not only am I

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a big fan of his work, but my wife is

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particularly in love with Steve Sailor. She thinks he's a

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very nice man. So he's a big hit in our houts.

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Speaker 4: As I can say from years of editing, it's extremely

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difficult to get hold off. Isn't why these people who

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believes are returning emails? But I think he would He

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probably would like to come on because he is his

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book and that he published a passive press. I think

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as to some extent he got him a rehability to

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a certain extent. Anyway, Sailor look at the time, at

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the time of the two thousand election, Carl Rose's theory

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was that what we have to do is expand a

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minority outreach. As Steve said, you know, Bush in two

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thousand got like fifty one percent of the white vote.

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It was disastrous performance. And that was why I last

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and Steve poted out that if you had if you

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could increase that by only two or three percent, sports

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will the shaff of the white vote, that would any

477
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conceivable shift among the minority votes. But but the re

478
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problems didn't want to hear that, uh, And so we

479
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ran a whole series of articles and making this point.

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So as long as we were around, and I call

481
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it the Sailor strategy, You've got to have in reach

482
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of the white base, not outreach to min ortis who

483
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aren't going to work for you anyway. And the ironic

484
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thing is that what Trump showed is that that by

485
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you know all, they had the ideas if we mentioned immigration,

486
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the minor artists will flee from US. Well, that didn't

487
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happen with Trump. He did as well with mine artis

488
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et least as well as any other Republican has done,

489
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even though he was being constantly denounced. Has been extremely

490
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immigration restrictionness, which which in fact he wasn't. But when

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I started doing that, there was a thing what the

492
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hell is it called? Oh, doesn't aggregate to there? Called

493
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wasn't red state rest state news anyway, they immediately banned

494
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any reference to you there because you've got the guy

495
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said that appealing to the white vote is in itself racist,

496
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and therefore nobody was allowed to post to be their

497
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articles on this aggregator. And I got I got an

498
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email from Judo Anisky, who you won't have heard of,

499
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,960
but he was the architect of supply side economics. As

500
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a journalist, he was the crusader walstered journalists on and

501
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he wrote books The Way the World Works and Song,

502
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which are really important in the aged because it was

503
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a theoretical rationale behind Reagan's task cuts and everything. I

504
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get this email, fan, I know if you are to

505
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,920
get this email from and saying Peter, you've gone too

506
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far by saying that the Republicans couldn't should appeal to

507
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the white vaute. You're just not allowed to say it,

508
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even though it's simply question arithmetic. You know, you're not

509
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going to like people say California has lost and so on.

510
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But there are many years when the Republican statewide candiates

511
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in California don't get a majority of the white voate.

512
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You're not going to get a majority of the white

513
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vote in California. You're not going to carry California. But

514
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they they are absolutely determined not to get this lesson

515
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to the point where I think there actually is some

516
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entryism and and and and the Republican Party. There are

517
00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:16,640
a lot of Republicans who are actually cover Democrats and

518
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happy with the Democrats system. And I think we've seen

519
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that since Trump came into part because a lot of

520
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these never Trumps and people joined the Republican Party. So

521
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on the what are protections in the Bush White House?

522
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But now now then, now they've become Democrats, they've revealed

523
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themselves to the Democrats.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I mean, there are you know, any any number

525
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of examples, right you have you know, Crystal the Lesser

526
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as well as a few others. One of the Dynamics

527
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and look, I think if we're examining the Trump administration,

528
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especially the second time around, the greatest successes have been

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in the area of immigration, right setting aside other issues,

530
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but one area that I think there's sort of a

531
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pernicious game being played is legal immigration, particularly around obviously

532
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H one B programs, which have gotten you know, very

533
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have gotten a lot of press, but also the others

534
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given to international students, the so called you know, genius

535
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grants or the so called genius visas excuse me, and others.

536
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And it seems as if there's sort of a game

537
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being played, you know, to shut the southern border, which

538
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certainly needed to happen, and that is a great win,

539
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but to effectively accomplish the same end by importing labor legally.

540
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And I think one of the interesting things that I'm

541
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curious to see you were mentioning the sailors strategy and

542
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how Trump appealed to implicitly he never said this to

543
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a great number of white voters who had traditionally voted

544
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for the Democrats. Working class whites and that immigration issue,

545
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because again, a lot of low skill immigration affects working

546
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class whites. I mean, I worked construction through college and

547
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there are whole industries in construction which no one who

548
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is born here actually does anymore because it has been

549
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entirely outsourced. And those which remain when you think of

550
00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:15,039
high paying blue collar professions are the ones where effectively

551
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immigrants are barred from working. Electricians, plumber is something where

552
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we have to be bonded and insured, and those have

553
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high wages. The other trades do not. But point is,

554
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he was able to pull in that part of his

555
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new constituency on immigration. But as we've sort of moved

556
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to this, the system has sort of shifted towards a

557
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focus on high skilled legal immigration. We're starting to see

558
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the burden of mass migration shift from the working class

559
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and up into what we call the laptop class, people

560
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,079
like me who have jobs where they work from home

561
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and you know, type all day. And you've seen this

562
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in programming, engineering, these jobs which traditionally were jobs for

563
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upwardly mobile middle class people. So I'm curious, and I'll

564
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finally get to a question, Peter, what do you make

565
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of both the fact that the burden of immigration is

566
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shifting onto a different segment of society, one which is

567
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quite left wing urban professionals, and what do you think

568
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of that transition as well, from illegal mass migration to

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legal mass migration. I'll throw it to you.

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Speaker 4: The thing about the thing about skilled immigration is that

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it does impact people who can fight back. For years,

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the most articulate and best organized group on the on

573
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the Pasier side of the immigration debate will computer programmers.

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And they had they developed really serious rationales for what

575
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they were doing, and they were very articulars and so on.

576
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And that wasn't the case with genitism and and you

577
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know the blue blue color workers generally, and of course

578
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now it's getting it really is out of control with

579
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the vast numbers of Indian Indians coming in who are

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relatively high skilled. I say relatively, but it's not clear

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than many of these H one B the temporary visas,

582
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which were something that was created in I guess twenty ten,

583
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it's not clear that they actually are high skilled. They're

584
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just cheaper. But the problem is that But the problem

585
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they've got is it really does, it really does irritate people,

586
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articulate people. So it's a step really that it's a

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sign really that the immigration debate is moving into its

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file stages because they're mobilizing people who who can fly back,

589
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and that's going to be a big problem for them. Well,

590
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you know, the fanaticism of the of the immigration enthusiasts

591
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can't be underestimated. I mean, in every Western country they

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move to important vast numbers of not even vetting these

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impigants coming into Britain, for example, a lot of them

594
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will come across this the channel. Uh. And similarly with

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with Merkel Angelo Merkele just suddenly letting a million refugees

596
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from Syria. Uh. And they were invited either. I mean,

597
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there's there's no question they weren't asking them what, what

598
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the qualifications were, anything like that. It was at that

599
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relatively late stage and immigration debate where all the countries

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in Western Europe had anti immigration party getting off the

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way and so on. It was a very extraordinary move.

602
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But there's what Biden did. I mean, if you look,

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they obviously quite deliberately throughout the southern border and they

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went to great lengths to import people and to scat

605
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them all around the country, no questions asked. And the

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only rationalf of that is is that they wanted to

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knock out the Wye majaritis in the country. The Democrats

608
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,639
are convinced that that they're going to get to they

609
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can get these poc boats and they're not going to

610
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have to bother up the white working class. It's tree,

611
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of course, it's the but the will parle behind it

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was simp extraordinary. And the same in Ireland. I mean,

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you know, the Irish government is suppressing any kind of

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resistance to this enormous immigration. And this is a country

615
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where there's no immigration at all until very recently, and

616
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now it's like twenty percent forum born, thirty percent forum born,

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and they built the bulldoze in archaeological sites all around

618
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the country to build houses for them and dump them

619
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in and the west of Ireland, in the remote places,

620
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they're just the will, the determination lects to people that

621
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lect to new people with extraordinary It's something that you

622
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know at some point there's going to be to seriously

623
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,239
have to be serious historical inquiries of this question, why

624
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did they suddenly decide to do this?

625
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Speaker 5: Well, certainly, and in the case of it's interesting because

626
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often in the case of both America and in the

627
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case of your native land, the historical justification is it's

628
00:36:56,079 --> 00:36:58,840
basically revenge. They churched up a little bit and they

629
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talk about you know the legacy of colonialism, you know,

630
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,840
they point to the British Empire, they point to, you know,

631
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,039
our adventures abroad, and they say, you know, you have

632
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you have, or your people have victimized others, you have

633
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,840
no ground to stand on. But in the case of

634
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the Irish, it's almost comedic, right, because it's like, well,

635
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,960
who have the Irish victimized? I mean, look, I don't

636
00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:21,840
like going to Boston, so maybe I have an axe

637
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,800
to grind, but realistically the idea of an Irish empire

638
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:30,719
is almost laughable. Similarly with the Swedes, right, I'm not

639
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,280
sure if you're you're aware of this, but there was

640
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,119
a I believe it was a plaque at a in

641
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some major Swedish city. I know the photo. I don't

642
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,760
have the citation on that, but it's talking about how,

643
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you know, Sweden bears historical guilt for its involvement in

644
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,880
the international slave trade because don't you know, Swedish iron

645
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:56,119
works made iron into links, which was fashioned into manacles

646
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for slaves. And it's a laughable example, yeah, but it

647
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does sort of show that whatever stick they need to

648
00:38:03,639 --> 00:38:06,480
grab to beat you into submission, they will. And these

649
00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:10,320
arguments are almost indeterminate. It is simply we want to

650
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be in the elite. We want to replace white majority populations,

651
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and whatever we have to say to do that, it

652
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will be said regardless of if it's true. As you

653
00:38:21,039 --> 00:38:24,400
know you've seen in the case of the residential schools

654
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in Canada, it's completely fake.

655
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Speaker 4: But all of those.

656
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Speaker 5: Historical narratives will be created to make the justification. So

657
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your point about the will being extraordinary is certainly true.

658
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, I must say. In the case the Irish, you know,

659
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it's interesting because in fact there were many great Irish regiments, right,

660
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Catholic Irish regiments raised the Connaught Rangers, the most effusialers

661
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and so on. There are serious component parts of the

662
00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:55,559
British army throughout the imperial periods. So but of course

663
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you're quite right. I mean, they weren't running it, so uh,

664
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I mean the whole thing is have soon in his

665
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face that the fact is that the colonial colonial empires

666
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were the best things ever happened to these people, and

667
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the fact.

668
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Speaker 6: That they they can't after the empires were dissolved, that

669
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they were not not able to use the infrastructure that

670
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the colonists have built, is their fault.

671
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Speaker 4: It's not the fault of the Europeans. The only areas

672
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where it is successful is in is in, in China

673
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and Japan. I mean they have been able to make

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the transition to modernity, but Africa and Latin America have not,

675
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and and i fact will not unless unless they recolonized.

676
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So that maybe the solution here, maybe the solution at

677
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the end. I mean mean that's why I'm interested in

678
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Trump the action in venezuether. I me mean at least

679
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that it may be that at some point they're going

680
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to have to, you know, rule Mexico directly in order

681
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to cross the cartel and to get its a column

682
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into batter shape and to prevent people coming out from

683
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the south. I don't know.

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Speaker 5: My vote is that we give it back to to

685
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the Belgian royal family. They had a good run as

686
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empers of Mexico, I guess. But in all seriousness, you

687
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spoke earlier about the immigration debate moving into it its

688
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final stage. So you spoke about the fact that we're

689
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seeing a new, motivated, articulate group of people facing the

690
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consequences of immigration. But nonetheless you see this sort of

691
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lack where people who are suffering in the economy, but

692
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who have gone through progressive institutions have internalized that sort

693
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of morality, are still very uncomfortable speaking negatively about immigration,

694
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even with respect to Indians, who seem to be the

695
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most acceptable target for any number of reasons. So I'm curious, one,

696
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what do you see that final stage of the immigration

697
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debate being and how do you think this sort of

698
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new affected group will affect that.

699
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Speaker 4: Well, there are really only two ways out. One is

700
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that the Western world in general and the US in particular,

701
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wakes up and cracks down and has another immigration pause

702
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like it is in the middle of the twentieth century,

703
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and encourages a lot of honor cell immigrants to leave,

704
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and basically gets control of its own institutions. The other solution,

705
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the other endgame, is what we see it seems to

706
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be emerging in Europe, which is that the political class

707
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simply goes into the wholesale repression or the resistance to immigration.

708
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I mean the crackdown after the Southport killings. You know

709
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in Britain it was simply extraordinary. I mean they were

710
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,159
jailing people for tweets and you know, there's no First

711
00:41:53,159 --> 00:41:58,079
Amendment in Britain. It is actually a Plice state, it's

712
00:41:58,119 --> 00:42:02,119
become a police state, and the labor going what wants

713
00:42:02,159 --> 00:42:05,039
to drab that even further. And it's so it's it's

714
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,239
it's conceivable they will be able to repress all opposition.

715
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:14,239
They're just to completely devacinate these areas. But I don't

716
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,360
think so. I mean, it's did you know Nick Griffin

717
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,159
for BN Period Leader made a very interesting point recently.

718
00:42:22,159 --> 00:42:25,320
He said that the apparatus of the British state is

719
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,920
not actually all that great. The armies. The army has

720
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,119
been purished and dismantle. He estimates for about forty thousand

721
00:42:33,519 --> 00:42:36,519
soldiers who could actually take put put on the streets.

722
00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:41,559
And the police forces, although they are they are paramilitary

723
00:42:41,639 --> 00:42:44,159
now and they are certainly very left wing in Britain,

724
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,480
they still don't amount to all that substantial numbers. So

725
00:42:48,599 --> 00:42:51,920
he's he's very in from the old situation Ulster where

726
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,519
there it's this low grade civil war that went on

727
00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:55,599
for years and the authorities were not we're not able

728
00:42:55,639 --> 00:42:58,639
to get control of it. So so you know it

729
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,079
maybe that will see a color a real color revolution.

730
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,880
These were in some of these countries that the dream

731
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:05,480
of the point that people would take to the streets

732
00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:10,000
and overwhelmed the government. And yeah, I was very impressed.

733
00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:11,480
You know, I lived in Canada for years and I

734
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:15,119
was just everybody regards the Canadian the angle Canadians has

735
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:18,840
been completely superhi and there's some reason for that. But

736
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,440
they did organize this enormous and it came out of Noah,

737
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:24,719
these trucks protests during the COVID the COVID strike, which

738
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,599
is simply extraordin. Again, they were crushed in the most

739
00:43:26,679 --> 00:43:29,159
ruthless way about the government. They were debanking people and

740
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:34,119
all that kind of thing. But you know, it came

741
00:43:34,159 --> 00:43:36,800
out of nowhere. Before these things come out of nowhere again.

742
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,760
So those are the two possibilities that were the thing

743
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:45,920
is solved. It's basically though, sensible legislation and sensible policy

744
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,559
all that. They just really really tried to completely suppress

745
00:43:49,639 --> 00:43:54,000
the popular resistance and that could go like that could

746
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:55,039
lead to real chaos.

747
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,639
Speaker 5: Well it's funny you bring that up because Nick Griffin

748
00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:02,519
will be on my show in two days from now,

749
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:04,960
so I'll be able to get it directly from him.

750
00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 4: I will. I think we follow each other on subside.

751
00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been I was surprised, not to say surprised,

752
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,920
But you know, I had been aware of him a

753
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,320
long time ago, and it seemed as if he kind

754
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,480
of went to ground for a little bit. And so

755
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:23,880
when I found his substack account, which is quite large,

756
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,119
I was, honestly, I was kind of surprised. I's like, oh,

757
00:44:26,119 --> 00:44:28,679
I haven't seen Nick Griffin around in forever, so I'll

758
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,360
be you know, good to I guess formally make his acquaintance.

759
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:35,480
But several things there, which is one, I think that

760
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:44,000
there is a certain smugness from American conservatives towards the Anglos.

761
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,320
They're the Anglo sphere more broadly, and I think some

762
00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:50,599
of this is a Second Amendment cope. You know, look

763
00:44:50,679 --> 00:44:52,440
like I like guns as much as the next guy.

764
00:44:52,559 --> 00:44:56,960
But either that that Second Amendment thesis of you know,

765
00:44:57,159 --> 00:45:01,519
this is what protects us from whoever they are, it

766
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,960
clearly hasn't worked out. But also I think that there

767
00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:07,519
is this sort of narrative, as you mentioned earlier, that

768
00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:10,320
you know, the Canadians are souphine that the Brits are

769
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:15,000
you know, completely and totally done. And there's two things,

770
00:45:15,039 --> 00:45:18,119
which is one, the demographics of a place like England

771
00:45:19,159 --> 00:45:23,400
are much stronger than they are here and also they

772
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,119
have the other advantage that their government security apparatus is

773
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,960
nowhere near as competent as ours is. You know, as

774
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:35,559
you mentioned with Letitia James earlier, as badly run as

775
00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:38,039
our government is, it is still more than big enough

776
00:45:38,119 --> 00:45:42,280
to ruin any one of our lives if it is interested.

777
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,239
The same is true in the UK. But to your

778
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,079
point about the army, it is clear that this is

779
00:45:47,159 --> 00:45:51,000
not a healthy, thriving nation with a lot of disposable power.

780
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,039
I've been sort of fascinated by, as you mentioned earlier,

781
00:45:55,079 --> 00:45:59,960
the reaction to Southport, because it seems as if Starmar

782
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:02,280
and let's be honest, many of those laws were pushed

783
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,719
through by the Conservative Party, you know, before he ever

784
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:11,000
took off. It is effectively pursuing sort of a Stalinist plan,

785
00:46:11,559 --> 00:46:15,119
or the idea is to throw every dissident in jail.

786
00:46:15,679 --> 00:46:19,559
You know, you could have housewives, housewives facing three years

787
00:46:20,119 --> 00:46:23,960
for comments about migrant hotels. And I look at that,

788
00:46:24,039 --> 00:46:26,519
and on one hand, you know that the repression is incredible,

789
00:46:26,639 --> 00:46:30,519
genuinely incredible. I cannot believe it. But also at the

790
00:46:30,559 --> 00:46:34,239
same time it seems to be a weak, crumbling system,

791
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,639
and so I don't know when those two trend lines intersect,

792
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,880
because on one hand, you could look at Southport and say, well,

793
00:46:41,079 --> 00:46:42,880
you know, all of those men were thrown in jail.

794
00:46:43,079 --> 00:46:45,599
You know, they had judges working around the night. Clearly

795
00:46:45,679 --> 00:46:48,079
they were able to tamp this down. But on the

796
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:51,079
other hand, it seems to me that the government of

797
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,559
the United Kingdom will use that word to describe it

798
00:46:54,639 --> 00:46:57,559
because it's you know, accurate in this context. But to me,

799
00:46:57,679 --> 00:47:00,559
they seem to be very scared. They seem to be afraid.

800
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,000
And when I see figures like is it David Bett's

801
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,719
constantly talking about a civil war, you know, sweeping the

802
00:47:07,039 --> 00:47:11,880
sweeping the island. To me that I'm not entirely sure,

803
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:14,679
you know, a civil war. But the idea of as

804
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:19,679
you mentioned, a sort of you know, ulster esque low

805
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,360
grade conflict, I mean, that seems to be entirely plausible.

806
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,000
I mean, in France you already see things quite like

807
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,679
you know, they have obviously kind of a resurgent anti

808
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:33,920
immigration movement, but also just straight up ethnic mafias. You know,

809
00:47:34,039 --> 00:47:37,039
you have you know, groups of uh, you know, North

810
00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:41,880
Africans with very serious hardware conducting hits out in French cities.

811
00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:44,519
You know, belt fed machine guns and all that, and

812
00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:49,639
so that is a profoundly unstable mix. So a lot there,

813
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,000
I realized I threw you all at once. But I'm curious,

814
00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:55,800
what do you make of, you know, the ability of

815
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,320
the government in the UK or you know, across the

816
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,920
world to manage a conflict between you know, the native

817
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,000
born population and immigrant populations.

818
00:48:07,599 --> 00:48:11,519
Speaker 4: Well, they do have a lot of resources, but at

819
00:48:11,519 --> 00:48:15,599
the same time, you know, they're behaving an extremely stupid manner.

820
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:19,119
I mean, they really do believe they're own propaganda. And

821
00:48:21,079 --> 00:48:23,360
you know, one of the amazing things about that. I

822
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,840
don't watch the British political scene obviously anywhere near as

823
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:30,480
closely as Nick Griffin does. But one of the things

824
00:48:30,519 --> 00:48:32,679
that was clear about the Southport reaction is it was

825
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,920
completely grassroots. The worst. There have been a number of

826
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:41,159
splinter parties in Britain that but tried to try to, uh,

827
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,559
you know, develop the immigration issue, and of course they're

828
00:48:45,559 --> 00:48:48,760
repressed in all kinds of ways, and they kept off,

829
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,199
they kept off the social media and all that kind

830
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:54,400
of thing, but they were absolutely unable to get any

831
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:58,480
kind of vote in the local action that immediately proceeded

832
00:48:58,519 --> 00:49:01,599
off that mattal In parliamentary action, but immediately proceed to Southport.

833
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,639
What happened was completely spontaneous. It wasn't it wasn't being

834
00:49:04,679 --> 00:49:07,199
controlled by anybody. And that's the thing, the really scary

835
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:08,880
thing for the government. And I would say the same

836
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:10,519
thing is true with Canada, with the with the Trocke

837
00:49:10,639 --> 00:49:13,960
protests we speak to some kind of Canada has been

838
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:18,119
overwhelmed by immigration, and I think that the population is

839
00:49:18,119 --> 00:49:21,639
obviously getting really restless. And it had just happened that

840
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,519
the COVID stuff was was was what was what was

841
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:29,280
what triggered it? I mean, our problem, of course is

842
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,920
law fare, the ability of the ability of rogue rogue

843
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:39,280
prosecutors like Letitia James to try to throw a form

844
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,440
press United States in prison on that fantastically fantastic legal theory,

845
00:49:43,559 --> 00:49:48,400
ludicrous and ridiculous legal theory. And and what he showed

846
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:51,679
is that the courts, the courts in New York State

847
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,159
will apparently entertain that they should never never have allowed that, okay,

848
00:49:55,199 --> 00:49:56,840
those cases to go to court, but they did and

849
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:03,199
they're still in court. And and if if if I think,

850
00:50:03,639 --> 00:50:07,519
if the Republicans lose in the twenty twenty eight, is

851
00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:10,480
that what it says, yeah that there will probably shoe

852
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,000
try and go to jail, and the news effort to

853
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,280
get to get Trump to go to jail. And this

854
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,480
is quite new. I mean, this is what was going

855
00:50:18,519 --> 00:50:22,000
on under Biden. Was what happened in Eastern Europe after

856
00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:25,559
after ninety forty five when the Soviets got controlled the area.

857
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,400
But they didn't immediately impose communist governments on those on

858
00:50:29,519 --> 00:50:31,719
those in those countries polled and check us a back

859
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,360
and so on. It took several years, and one of

860
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,159
the ways in which they did it was criminalized in opposition.

861
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:40,039
And they did it with the with the enthusiastic support

862
00:50:40,119 --> 00:50:46,320
of politicized judges. And that's what we've got here. The judiciary,

863
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,000
both federally and but particular the statesline New York. It's

864
00:50:49,039 --> 00:50:51,719
it's and not just the judiciary, but but the whole

865
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:58,760
prosecutor operatus is completely politicized. And you know they're going

866
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,320
to after in peace and convict judges by the hundreds

867
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,880
to clean this situation up. Ye of God, it's a

868
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,840
very bad lookout for us because we have no hope

869
00:51:07,039 --> 00:51:10,480
justice in the New York States court system at all.

870
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,400
They'll just get up and tell the black juris that

871
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,800
that with neo Nazism, and that that's the end of

872
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:19,519
ours well, and.

873
00:51:21,519 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 5: It reminds me very much of the quote we mentioned

874
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,920
from z Man earlier about how the situation changed when

875
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,119
rich people started being blown up. Because I look at

876
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:36,440
the Republican Party and I look at Donald Trump, and

877
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,519
to me, I think your analysis is spot on. That

878
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,920
is the way to solve this problem and the consequences

879
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:44,960
for him as well as for you know, you and

880
00:51:45,039 --> 00:51:49,559
I are completely and totally explicit. He will, by all

881
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:54,559
likelihood die in jail. They will again for something completely

882
00:51:54,639 --> 00:51:57,559
and totally made up, decide that he has broken some law,

883
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,760
charge him five hundred million dollars for you know, a

884
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,639
routine you know, reporting violation, and then his life is over.

885
00:52:05,159 --> 00:52:09,199
It already debanked him, his entire family. They've threatened to

886
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,719
throw Pete hag Seth in jail and send him to

887
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,800
the Hague. And Okay, ten years ago, maybe that's you know,

888
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:20,400
strident rhetoric, but they basically did it. In between twenty

889
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,960
twenty and twenty twenty four, they raided his house. You know,

890
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,079
a number of his associates were either sent to prison

891
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,960
or given you know, hefty fines and when you throw

892
00:52:29,039 --> 00:52:33,719
on additionally the level of political violence, Trump himself being shot,

893
00:52:34,519 --> 00:52:37,880
Charlie Kirk being assassinated. This this kind of wave of

894
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:41,320
leftist terror. And to me, that's what I find so

895
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:45,159
frustrating is that apparently, even for their own self preservation,

896
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:48,639
these people are either too useless to incompetent or unwilling

897
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,559
to do exactly what you said, which is smash this

898
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:56,159
rogue judiciary. It needs to be smashed or else. Effectively,

899
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,519
the president is not the president. We don't live in

900
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:02,039
a real country anymore. We live under this, you know,

901
00:53:02,159 --> 00:53:05,559
Rabbinic Council of Judges and.

902
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,639
Speaker 4: Were the right federally who I used to who was

903
00:53:10,639 --> 00:53:15,880
a whistleblower and the Immigration services uh both he he

904
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,800
he uses the term cry talk uh. And that's why

905
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,639
Vida was excluded from the news bulletsin that was put

906
00:53:23,679 --> 00:53:27,440
out by DHS. One of the immigration judges complained that

907
00:53:27,519 --> 00:53:30,440
this was the we used to post articles by or

908
00:53:30,519 --> 00:53:33,880
something on the daily round up of news articles and

909
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:36,199
we were excluded because one of the immigration judges said

910
00:53:36,199 --> 00:53:38,840
that kritar was that obviously anti Semitic term. Of course

911
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,320
it's not, it's not a is a Greek term meaning

912
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,199
rule by judges. It's not antismic at all. But you know,

913
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,960
in the climate we were in and with Biden and

914
00:53:48,159 --> 00:53:50,800
a similar stemp still you know, to be accused as

915
00:53:51,159 --> 00:53:51,880
to be found guilty.

916
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 5: I mean, not not to take this in another direction,

917
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:01,639
but assuming that it might have been a little naive

918
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,760
to assume Trump would have a more forgiving view of

919
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,800
anti Semitism than President Biden. But I will leave that

920
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,440
where it is and not address it. But Peter, we

921
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:13,639
are fast coming up on time. This has been a

922
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:17,039
fascinating episode. Where can people find you and where can

923
00:54:17,079 --> 00:54:17,800
they find your work?

924
00:54:18,639 --> 00:54:22,199
Speaker 4: Well, vdare dot com is it's still there. It's suspended,

925
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:24,800
but you can still get to it. And we have

926
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:28,920
something like twenty thousand articles going back twenty five years

927
00:54:30,519 --> 00:54:33,639
which you can search and read, and you can fall

928
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,199
see all the Steve Sales articles there that we posted

929
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:40,960
and so on. I myself, Ma'm Peter Brimlaw dot com,

930
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,280
which is actually a substack, but I've start to do

931
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:51,199
that just a less than a year ago, and I

932
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:56,400
write there as often as I can, and I will

933
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,960
occasionally repost articles from vidad I think need to be read,

934
00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:03,719
cycled and commented on For example, I reviewed Dinesh to

935
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:09,239
Susan's book on race uh way back when, and I

936
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,480
reposted with comments when I went to Susan was in

937
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:19,320
the news recently, and actually I just reposted yesterday. We

938
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:24,760
did a video of of how Jay six would have

939
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,800
been played if it had been if Trouble been a Democrat,

940
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,000
And the answer is, of course that he would have been.

941
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,679
They would have been regarded as heroes and and and

942
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:38,239
they the media would have been going on about police

943
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:41,519
brutality and all that kind of thing. So I reposted

944
00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:45,360
that yesterday because that that issue is not going away either,

945
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:50,159
the total control of the mainstream narrative. It's it's one

946
00:55:50,199 --> 00:55:53,039
of the effects of the Internet, paradoxically, has been to

947
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,079
impose the enormous discipline on the manstrym media what it

948
00:55:56,079 --> 00:55:58,960
will actually cover uh. And that's the way where they

949
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were they were to get away with is like the

950
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Sharksville Hoaks, you know, I mean, obviously the First Amendment

951
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rights of the UTR, the United the Right demonstrators were

952
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were completely crossed by by by this Charlesville government and

953
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the and the Virginia State government. And they've been unable

954
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to get redressed in the courts. The only reason that

955
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hope that was that worked politically is because it was

956
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tremendously tight control of what you could say what happened

957
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to Charlottesville as they wanted to as there was on

958
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Jay six. Have you looked at Jason Kessler's book on Charlottesville? No,

959
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I have not known. Let me pull it up now,

960
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I'll send you. So here's somebody you should perhaps have

961
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on He's moved to West Virginia. I'm infair. Everybody moved

962
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to West Virginia is a feeshtong Appalachia. This is this

963
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is one state that's not going to flip. It's not

964
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there's not there's no big black city here that the

965
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Democrats can use it to kick around everybody else. Uh.

966
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And of course they met the election, the election, the

967
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twenty twenty election. I mean, that was clearly a suspect election,

968
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but you just weren't allowed to say that. I'd better

969
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check with it. By the way, we love to say

970
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that's on YouTube.

971
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Speaker 2: Uh.

972
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Speaker 5: Probably, I'm a very lazy editor. So we'll probably just

973
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leave it in and see if I get a strike

974
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or not. I think I could afford one.

975
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Speaker 4: Yes, I will be commonist. Vida dot com is still

976
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for those anybody who who wants. I mean this is

977
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ues on. These issues aren't going away. We've covered all

978
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these issues. Go to our so on. All that's happening

979
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is to become the becoming more mainstream anyway, Steve Miller's

980
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making them mainstream.

981
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Speaker 5: Well you were, You were ahead of the curve identifying

982
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trends which have become impossible to ignore. I mean, well,

983
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I say impossible to ignore. Have you met Dinesh Desuza,

984
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But I'll.

985
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Speaker 4: Leave it at that.

986
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Speaker 5: He's one of many people I shouldn't talk about live

987
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on air or I'll say something, uh say something intemperate. Anyway, Peter,

988
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it was great having you.

989
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Speaker 4: It was.

990
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Speaker 5: We'll have to have you on a consume.

991
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Speaker 4: Thank you, thanks so much.

992
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