1 00:00:04,879 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: What's going on? Thank you so much for listening to 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,640 this podcast. It is heard live every day from noon 3 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,519 to three on WBT Radio in Charlotte. And if you 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,719 want exclusive content like invitations to events, the weekly live stream, 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,239 I Daily Show prep with all the links, become a patron, 6 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,600 go to dpeakclendershow dot com. Make sure you hit the 7 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,160 subscribe button. Get every episode for free right to your 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,679 smartphone or tablet. And again, thank you so much for 9 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:34,640 your support. Alrighty, so, who's ready for some tariff talk? Tariffs? 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,840 Are you worried about the tariffs? Are you worried about 11 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,280 this thing that's happening as of today and now the 12 00:00:40,359 --> 00:00:45,320 markets are not responding? Well, is this a problem? Is 13 00:00:45,359 --> 00:00:47,880 this going to be a problem? Sounds it seems like 14 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:53,280 it's going to be a problem. Okay, So you've got 15 00:00:53,359 --> 00:00:55,920 Donald Trump that he had, you know, threatened these tariffs 16 00:00:55,960 --> 00:01:04,480 against Mexico, Canada and China. China. The tariff on China 17 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,239 is an additional tariff that Trump had put on like 18 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:12,319 four years ago, left on by Joe Biden after he 19 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:16,359 ran a campaign savaging Trump for the tariff in the 20 00:01:16,359 --> 00:01:22,120 first place. But now that tariff has been increased okay, 21 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:26,200 those tariffs have been increased, and so now you've got 22 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:29,959 these three countries that are responding. And one of the 23 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:34,359 data points I saw was that this is essentially going 24 00:01:34,439 --> 00:01:41,799 to mean roughly one thousand dollars per person, well a thousand. 25 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:46,920 Everybody is basically almost one thousand dollars poorer because of it, 26 00:01:47,079 --> 00:01:51,719 just overnight, because of the increase in the prices of 27 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,760 all of the things that now are going to have 28 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,959 more tariffs on them, higher taxes. Basically it's gonna I mean, 29 00:01:58,079 --> 00:02:01,040 there's not going to be a a line item, like 30 00:02:01,239 --> 00:02:03,760 you're not going to be able to check out and see, oh, okay, 31 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,200 here's the local tax and the state tax or whatever. 32 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,759 It's just going to be basically built into the cost 33 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,319 of the product that you are buying, because that's how 34 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,000 tariffs basically work, right, They slap the tariff on it, 35 00:02:16,039 --> 00:02:20,400 and then that price increase just lives inside the price 36 00:02:20,879 --> 00:02:23,599 as it proceeds from you know, from the container ship 37 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,599 through to the retail establishment or the online establishment if 38 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,639 that's where you're getting it from. So China has now 39 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:36,240 responded with its own tariffs against our products. This is 40 00:02:36,319 --> 00:02:39,599 what a trade war looks like in case people aren't aware. 41 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,840 This is what a trade war. This is how they start. 42 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:47,960 Tariffs get slapped on each other, and people's you know, 43 00:02:48,039 --> 00:02:55,680 wealth is reduced, people's purchasing power is reduced. I have 44 00:02:55,759 --> 00:02:58,520 said I am not a fan of tariffs. I think 45 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:02,560 there should be you know, an equalization. I feel like, 46 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,680 you know, free trade is that free trade doesn't mean 47 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:11,120 you slap tariffs on our stuff so we can't sell 48 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,400 into your country, but then you get to buy all 49 00:03:15,439 --> 00:03:18,919 of our stuff, you know, at cost. Like that's not 50 00:03:19,039 --> 00:03:22,759 free trade, right. Fair trade is free trade, that's you know, 51 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:26,039 fair is fair. So if we're selling stuff into Canada 52 00:03:26,199 --> 00:03:30,439 and you want to tax you know, certain things going 53 00:03:30,479 --> 00:03:33,159 into Canada, that's fine. Like I feel like there should 54 00:03:33,199 --> 00:03:36,439 just be a universal like a flat tax, if you will, 55 00:03:37,039 --> 00:03:41,120 a flat tariff. Now there is an argument. The Founding 56 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:45,199 fathers talked about this. They called them infant industries. So 57 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,560 if you are trying to get an industry up and 58 00:03:48,639 --> 00:03:51,719 running in your country and you want to protect it 59 00:03:51,919 --> 00:03:57,039 from outside competition, you know, let's say you want to 60 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,319 you know, have a you're making widgets, and it just 61 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,000 so happens that the Canadians are really really good at 62 00:04:05,039 --> 00:04:09,560 making widgets, and they dominate the market in Charlotte in 63 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,960 America for widgets, and you're trying to now compete with that. 64 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:18,639 And the government believes that having a widget industry might 65 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,639 be important, and so they would protect your infant industry 66 00:04:23,079 --> 00:04:28,040 with tariffs against the Canadian widgets. Right, So I understand 67 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,360 that argument. I think you would have to take it 68 00:04:30,399 --> 00:04:32,720 on a case by case basis. But here in lies 69 00:04:32,759 --> 00:04:37,079 the problem is that these case by case analyzes for 70 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:41,800 different products and services and sectors and industries has created 71 00:04:41,879 --> 00:04:44,319 all sorts of different numbers depending on what it is 72 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:47,120 that you're selling. And what Trump has argued is that 73 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,600 this trade imbalance that if we are, you know, we're 74 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:55,160 running a trade deficit, that that's unfair. I don't think 75 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,600 it is automatically unfair. Just means that we are buying 76 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,360 more stuff than we are selling to another country. Now, 77 00:05:01,439 --> 00:05:06,600 maybe that's partly due to tariffs. That might be the case. 78 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,319 I don't know if it's if that accounts for all 79 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,240 of it, but I think Trump looks at a trade 80 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:18,920 imbalance or a trade deficit as evidence of some unfair practice. 81 00:05:18,959 --> 00:05:21,720 And I don't know that to be true. I really don't. 82 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:25,360 I don't and honestly, like, I don't think that's true. 83 00:05:25,439 --> 00:05:28,879 Now Trump has argued with Like I saw he was 84 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,639 at some was it like the Wall Street Journal editorial 85 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,600 page editor or something like that, and he was at 86 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,879 some conference that the Wall Street Journal did. I want 87 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:41,079 to say it was before the election, and they were 88 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,000 talking about tariffs, and you know, Trump made the comment that, oh, 89 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,600 you've been wrong about tariffs for thirty years or something. 90 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,959 So this is obviously something that Trump, you know, has 91 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,519 thought about for a long long time, and this is 92 00:05:53,759 --> 00:05:58,519 his philosophy when it comes to these tariffs. Now, a 93 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:01,879 lot of people, myself and cclude believe that Trump was 94 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:06,800 using the tariffs in order to extract concessions, better deals 95 00:06:07,959 --> 00:06:12,800 or or you know, help in you know, combating illegal immigration, 96 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:17,959 combating the the fentanyl coming across the border, and so 97 00:06:18,199 --> 00:06:21,560 in that regard, then tariffs or the threat of tariffs 98 00:06:22,319 --> 00:06:28,040 can be used effectively. The problem is that if they 99 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,399 don't do what you want, and you've threatened to do 100 00:06:30,439 --> 00:06:33,040 the tariffs, and then you have to put them in 101 00:06:33,079 --> 00:06:36,680 place lest you be seen as not following through on 102 00:06:36,759 --> 00:06:40,160 your threats. Now you've started the trade war, and it's 103 00:06:40,199 --> 00:06:45,040 easier to start these things than it is to end them. Usually. 104 00:06:45,399 --> 00:06:50,319 Now maybe you know, maybe that that will be different 105 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:52,560 this time. I don't know. I cannot tell the future. 106 00:06:52,639 --> 00:06:55,439 Nobody can. So right now you've got you know, the 107 00:06:55,519 --> 00:06:59,879 market reacting because they're all trying to predict what's going 108 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:05,000 to happen. You know, it's all speculative, and so these 109 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:11,800 predictions are now driving the anti Trump media and their narratives, 110 00:07:11,879 --> 00:07:14,560 and you know, the Democrats are, you know, making these 111 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:19,639 arguments that you know, Trump is has started a trade 112 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,519 war and now we're all going to be poorer, and 113 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,079 he's this is going to be the biggest tax increase 114 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,759 because the number I saw was something like three hundred 115 00:07:27,839 --> 00:07:34,959 to three hundred and fifty billion dollars in essentially tax 116 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:40,399 increases for these imported products, right, stuff that that we 117 00:07:40,439 --> 00:07:44,560 are normally buying and will now be more expensive. And 118 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:46,600 so it's essentially a three hundred to three hundred and 119 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:51,800 fifty billion dollar additional tax and when it comes, you know, 120 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,480 and here's the problem I think that that Trump and 121 00:07:55,759 --> 00:07:58,519 the people who support what he's doing. Here's the problem 122 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:02,600 that I think they're going to have is their defense 123 00:08:02,879 --> 00:08:08,240 of the tariffs seemed to be well, just don't buy 124 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:13,360 out of seasoned fruit and vegetables. And I'm not sure 125 00:08:13,399 --> 00:08:16,160 that's a winning argument, you know, politically speaking, I don't 126 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,480 think that's going to convince people who are like, you know, 127 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,199 I'm used to buying you know, seven different kinds of 128 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:26,199 fruits and vegetables, and now I can only access too 129 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,800 once a year or twice a year. Now that's like, 130 00:08:31,839 --> 00:08:34,279 that's what like, that's the argument that's getting made is, 131 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,519 you know, this is a tax on everybody, the largest 132 00:08:36,519 --> 00:08:39,639 tax increase overnight and in I think history maybe, But 133 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:44,480 and then the response is basically suck it up, buttercup. 134 00:08:44,879 --> 00:08:47,440 And I'm not sure that's a winning argument. Now. The 135 00:08:47,519 --> 00:08:49,600 other side of this, see this is the problem with 136 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,960 economics is that this is why Reagan said he wanted 137 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:54,639 a one armed economist, because they always talk about on 138 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,440 the one hand and then on the other hand, you know, 139 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,559 So the other part of this is that when the 140 00:09:01,759 --> 00:09:05,759 cost of the imports becomes too great, it will then 141 00:09:06,399 --> 00:09:13,720 inspire production and manufacturing domestically to serve that demand. In 142 00:09:13,759 --> 00:09:19,559 other words, supply will be created in order to fulfill 143 00:09:19,639 --> 00:09:24,519 the demands of the local population. And this is particularly 144 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,480 I think important when it comes to things that are 145 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:33,000 national security related. Right, Like me personally, I don't think 146 00:09:33,039 --> 00:09:36,279 it's a great idea to not be able to manufacture 147 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:40,879 steel because if we are reliant on countries, particularly those 148 00:09:40,919 --> 00:09:44,840 that don't like us very much, to send us all 149 00:09:44,879 --> 00:09:48,039 of those materials if we ever need to ramp up 150 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,039 for a war footing thank you Zelenski. Oh, but we 151 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:54,039 have a development on that front too. If we need 152 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:58,519 to ramp up production for certain mission critical materials, we 153 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:02,000 are unable to do so domestically, and I feel like 154 00:10:02,039 --> 00:10:05,440 that's a problem. Right, So this is like, this is 155 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,120 why this whole issue, it's not a simple issue. And 156 00:10:09,159 --> 00:10:12,159 anybody that's telling you, whether it's the President or his detractors, 157 00:10:12,159 --> 00:10:14,720 if they're telling you that, like, oh, it's easy, we 158 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:17,720 just do this and then you know, this easy thing happens, 159 00:10:17,399 --> 00:10:21,360 it's not that easy. It is not There is a 160 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:25,799 lot of nuance in gray area here that well, for 161 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,840 my entire adult life, I recall the left always telling 162 00:10:28,879 --> 00:10:31,080 me that that's how I should view things, and that 163 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,080 the right was being, you know, too black and white 164 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,720 on this stuff. But now it seems like everybody is 165 00:10:35,759 --> 00:10:38,559 into the false choices of you know, just black and White. 166 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:42,840 He's either a putent lover or he gives Ukraine. 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Hello, Sean, Welcome to the show. 193 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:11,799 Speaker 2: Pet. 194 00:12:12,039 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 3: How you doing? Bove? 195 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 2: I think Hayk talk to his new year. So i'mna 196 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,000 wish you a happy new Year. I'm a good guy, 197 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:17,519 all right. 198 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,399 Speaker 1: Well, happy new Year to you too. Hope it's going 199 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:20,360 well for you so far. 200 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 2: If I get up every day, I'm breathing everything. Just ware, brother. 201 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:25,639 Speaker 3: I don't let anything stress me out. 202 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:29,879 Speaker 2: But let's talk about dum tom So twenty sixteen. He 203 00:12:29,919 --> 00:12:32,159 got an office, said he had a bad deal. Bill 204 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,279 Clinton did a bad deal. He gonna come in here 205 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,600 and change it around, so he make a good deal. 206 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,720 Now he said it's a bad deal. So I think 207 00:12:41,759 --> 00:12:44,240 that's on him. I mean he's a great as all 208 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,399 his voters said, he's a great deal maker. I guess 209 00:12:47,399 --> 00:12:49,960 the deal that he did in twenty twenty wasn't great, 210 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:51,440 so now he just start another deal. 211 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,759 Speaker 1: So I mean, you're talking about the United States Mexico 212 00:12:55,960 --> 00:13:01,679 Canada Agreement, the us MCA that was like July of 213 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,559 twenty twenty. I don't think so. First off, he has 214 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,519 never said that the deal. No, he has never said 215 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:08,840 that that deal was a bad deal because he did it, 216 00:13:08,919 --> 00:13:11,480 so he's not going to say that was a bad deal. Right, 217 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,960 So what what they have talked about is the slapping 218 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:19,759 of the tariffs on Canada and Mexico. He has tied 219 00:13:19,879 --> 00:13:24,279 to border enforcement and the fentanyl trade. 220 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 2: The trade, so we just putn't sitting on it. But 221 00:13:29,879 --> 00:13:31,919 the daility did in twenty twenty was great. But now 222 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,679 we're going to do another turf tax on because of 223 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:35,720 the fit trade. 224 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: Well that well, look you can believe you can believe this, 225 00:13:40,159 --> 00:13:42,279 you can believe what he's saying or not. I would 226 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,159 guess that you don't believe it. But the he has 227 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:49,360 not like there they haven't been connecting anything that was 228 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:54,279 negotiated under the USMCA with this latest round of tariffs 229 00:13:54,279 --> 00:13:56,279 because they did there. I mean, they they did all 230 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,399 sorts of stuff under the USMCA, they basically, you know, 231 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:04,840 revive NAFTA, which look, for whatever you think about the USMCA, 232 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,679 NAFTA was done like you said, under Bill Clinton, that 233 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,320 was you know, thirty years ago, and so like all 234 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,519 of those deals should be re examined. I feel like, right, 235 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,360 I mean, that's just that just makes sense because industries 236 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,600 get stronger and all that. So I have no problem 237 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:23,159 with going back and reviewing a foreign trade deal to 238 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:25,320 see if it still makes sense and maybe it needs 239 00:14:25,399 --> 00:14:28,440 to be adjusted. And when they were done with the USMCA, 240 00:14:28,879 --> 00:14:31,200 most all of the sides were happy with it. It 241 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:35,399 seemed like everybody was on board and that was fine. 242 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:39,639 But now this has been he has he has made 243 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:44,960 the argument that our our borders are not secure and 244 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:50,679 therefore they need to be helping us better than they are, 245 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,399 and so he's using the tariffs in order to try 246 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,639 to get them to do more. Now, whether that's whether 247 00:14:57,639 --> 00:15:00,639 that's the truth or not, I don't know, but that's 248 00:15:00,679 --> 00:15:01,519 what they've been saying. 249 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 2: Well, this is my point. This guy is small if 250 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,639 he doesn't get his way, like it happened Friday. He 251 00:15:08,639 --> 00:15:10,559 didn't get his way, so he throws that off. Then 252 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,279 he throws something else in the American people. He's throwing 253 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,559 so much in American people. And the thing is people 254 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:19,200 don't realize it. And you know, I feel for both sides, 255 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:24,120 for everybody. What he's doing with the government, killing all 256 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,480 the job for the government. Says, if you listen to 257 00:15:26,519 --> 00:15:30,000 some of them people they help, veterans, they helped when 258 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,279 veterans call in, they listen to them. Veterans called in 259 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:36,200 to help them out so they won't commit suicide anything. 260 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,840 He's cutting a lot of stuff that really helped people 261 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:39,919 who really needs to help. 262 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:41,559 Speaker 3: So all these voters like. 263 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, cut the government, cut the government. When people start 264 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:48,519 committing issues about why they didn't have any kind of help, 265 00:15:48,799 --> 00:15:50,000 then you blame them dumb. 266 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,159 Speaker 1: So Seun let me ask you, do you think that 267 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:57,399 do you think that that any of the government should 268 00:15:57,399 --> 00:16:00,399 be cut based on what these doge guys are finding? 269 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 3: Well? What what what I've seen? 270 00:16:03,159 --> 00:16:05,519 Speaker 2: I mean, everybody has their point of view, but what 271 00:16:05,559 --> 00:16:08,360 I've seen is people who go to work every day 272 00:16:08,919 --> 00:16:11,759 they get evaluated. Some of them just got on and 273 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:13,960 got to valuate all of us being good of course, 274 00:16:14,039 --> 00:16:14,919 and any job. 275 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:15,519 Speaker 3: There's gonna be bad. 276 00:16:15,559 --> 00:16:18,559 Speaker 2: There's gonna be bad people there, so you of course, but. 277 00:16:18,559 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: Okay, so that's what I was asking. So like you 278 00:16:20,399 --> 00:16:23,679 understand like that there is a benefit to going into 279 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,279 the federal government and seeing just like we talked about 280 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,279 with the trade deal, right making revisions because something maybe 281 00:16:29,279 --> 00:16:32,120 somebody doesn't need to be in this position any longer. 282 00:16:32,159 --> 00:16:35,720 Maybe some of this money was being sent overseas to 283 00:16:35,799 --> 00:16:39,159 scam artists, and that should be something we identify, right, Like, 284 00:16:39,399 --> 00:16:42,720 so we're okay with the concept. So your your beef 285 00:16:42,759 --> 00:16:45,840 is with the way it's being carried out in a 286 00:16:45,879 --> 00:16:49,720 way that is uh that that is like firing some 287 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,399 people that are doing work that you think is uh 288 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:54,559 is valuable. 289 00:16:54,799 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 2: Is that it there's valuable, and and and then and 290 00:16:58,759 --> 00:17:01,120 then and their job is it's great. I mean you 291 00:17:01,159 --> 00:17:03,279 know why you find the guy up in and give 292 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,480 you promise that. I mean, he's find anybody who does 293 00:17:05,519 --> 00:17:08,640 not agree with him, anybody who does not agree with 294 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,839 with the with with y'all king, and with y'all king. 295 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,640 If you does not agree with him, he's gonna fire you. 296 00:17:14,799 --> 00:17:16,480 That's not how they run the country. 297 00:17:16,279 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 1: Okay, so you're gonna have to give me some You're 298 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,359 gonna have to give me some specific example of that. 299 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 2: I mean, okay, simple example. The guy in New York, 300 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:27,839 the head guy in the federal government, the FBI up 301 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,400 in New York. Hey, we want you to we want 302 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:30,920 you to resign. 303 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:32,519 Speaker 3: I mean, you know what you want to got to 304 00:17:32,559 --> 00:17:33,000 resign for? 305 00:17:33,039 --> 00:17:35,160 Speaker 2: If he had no if there's no issues. 306 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,279 Speaker 1: No no, no, no, okay, well okay, so hang on 307 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:44,920 right there. There there were there were issues. 308 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 2: Okay, the issues that didn't agree with with the king. 309 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,839 Speaker 1: No no, no, no no. Like the big the thing 310 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,200 that got him in the most trouble that got that 311 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,039 forced them to, uh, you know, ask for his resignation 312 00:17:54,759 --> 00:17:58,519 was when they said, turn over all of the all 313 00:17:58,559 --> 00:18:03,960 of the Epstein uh information, and he apparently he apparently 314 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,240 did not. And and the guy has made all sorts 315 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:11,640 of politic he's also made Yeah, well, well now they've 316 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,519 got it. So now they say, now they have gotten 317 00:18:14,559 --> 00:18:17,200 all of the thousands of pages that that were withheld 318 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,440 from the Attorney General Pam Bondi when she initially asked 319 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,839 for it. So like that's the and he had made 320 00:18:22,839 --> 00:18:25,200 all sorts of political statements and stuff. But here's the 321 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:26,599 other thing, and Sean, I gotta let you go because 322 00:18:26,599 --> 00:18:28,880 I'm way late for the news. But the other thing 323 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,559 is that that post is you work at the pleasure 324 00:18:32,559 --> 00:18:35,319 of the president, and so he can do that. He's 325 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:39,119 he's the chief administrator in the executive branch for which 326 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:41,160 you work, so he can do that if he doesn't 327 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,279 like the job you're doing. All right, if you're listening 328 00:18:43,319 --> 00:18:44,880 to this show, you know I try to keep up 329 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:46,680 with all sorts of current events, and I know you 330 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,200 do too, And you've probably heard me say get your 331 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:53,119 news from multiple sources. 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See for yourself. 343 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:33,119 Check dot Ground, dot News slash pete. Subscribe through that 344 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,119 link and you'll get fifteen percent off any subscription. I 345 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,559 use the Vantage plan to get unlimited access to every feature. 346 00:19:39,759 --> 00:19:42,559 Your subscription then not only helps my podcast, but it 347 00:19:42,559 --> 00:19:45,720 also supports Ground News as they make the media landscape 348 00:19:45,759 --> 00:19:49,000 more transparent. Back to the phone lines, I will go, 349 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:53,799 and here is Mike. Welcome to the show. Hello Mike, Hello. 350 00:19:53,599 --> 00:19:56,319 Speaker 3: Again and again, I am sorry. I was not able 351 00:19:56,359 --> 00:20:01,680 to hold on yesterday when we talked. Uh, you were saying, 352 00:20:01,759 --> 00:20:03,720 I'm a whole through the news, and as soon as 353 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:06,400 you said that, then the morn through the appointment came 354 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,359 through the door. I heard them coming through the door, 355 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:09,960 so I wasn't able to do that. I tried to 356 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,920 call back and say I'm sorry. 357 00:20:11,759 --> 00:20:14,759 Speaker 1: No, that's all right now. I understand from what I understand, 358 00:20:14,799 --> 00:20:18,680 people have lives outside of listening to this show. I 359 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:20,839 have made my piece with that, so it's okay. It's 360 00:20:20,839 --> 00:20:21,680 totally fine. 361 00:20:22,279 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 3: They're not nearly as worthy though we best we can 362 00:20:25,079 --> 00:20:27,519 when we're away from the radio. You know, we do it. 363 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,160 We do our best, you know, Uh, And there's always 364 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:31,599 a podcast. There's always a time. 365 00:20:31,759 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: That's true. The peapod dot com listen. 366 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 3: To the podcast last night to see what I missed, and 367 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:39,640 we came back on. We somehow got on. We were 368 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,119 talking about the Vilensky meeting and the meeting prior to 369 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,839 the meeting, but somehow we got onto the Russian hoax 370 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,599 and not saying that it's any but a hoax. You 371 00:20:50,599 --> 00:20:52,960 were saying, oh, no, it is a hoax. We kind 372 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,880 of got sidetracked from that, and we can talk for 373 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:58,200 more about that. But you also wanted to talk about tariffs, 374 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,480 and there's also a new statement from which is also timely, 375 00:21:01,839 --> 00:21:03,160 and I will let you choose, sir. 376 00:21:03,599 --> 00:21:05,559 Speaker 1: Oh, I get to pick what the caller wants to 377 00:21:05,599 --> 00:21:10,799 talk about. Oh, this is interesting. Yeah, well, so you 378 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,400 mentioned Zelenski's and I mentioned also that there was an 379 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,839 update on that story as well. I have the statement. Yeah, 380 00:21:18,839 --> 00:21:20,799 it's pretty lengthy. Let me just I'll go to the 381 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:25,680 last two paragraphs. He says, our meeting in Washington at 382 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:28,000 the White House on Friday did not go the way 383 00:21:28,039 --> 00:21:30,759 it was supposed to be. It is regrettable that it 384 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,480 happened this way. It is time to make things right. 385 00:21:33,759 --> 00:21:37,799 We would like future cooperation and communication to be constructive. 386 00:21:38,279 --> 00:21:42,119 Regarding the agreement on Minerals and security, Ukraine is ready 387 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:46,079 to sign it in at any time and in any 388 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,400 convenient format. We see this agreement as a step toward 389 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,119 greater security and solid security guarantees and I truly hope 390 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,640 it will work effectively. So and just as a side note, 391 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,400 I will I will say I started there was a 392 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:03,039 program last week where I started off by saying, in 393 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:07,440 Trump in the Trump era, I have found it best 394 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,720 to give it a minute, like because the immediate reaction 395 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,480 from people who hate Donald Trump and from people who 396 00:22:15,519 --> 00:22:19,400 love Donald Trump is to immediately rush to their corners 397 00:22:19,799 --> 00:22:24,079 and start making the arguments that one would expect. And 398 00:22:24,319 --> 00:22:28,079 if you just wait a minute or two now obviously 399 00:22:28,079 --> 00:22:30,039 not like sixty seconds, but if we just give it 400 00:22:30,079 --> 00:22:34,119 a minute, we will see what the truth actually is 401 00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:39,119 and whether the play works. And it's so, what is 402 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:44,000 do you think that this play worked with Zolenski. 403 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,319 Speaker 3: I mean he's wanting to keep the volume. You can 404 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,920 make a sports analogy. I guess the task valley going. 405 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,720 He's going to hit it back over the net and 406 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:57,759 see what happens. And to further that analogy. The old 407 00:22:57,759 --> 00:23:01,400 phrase is the ball is now and the presidence court 408 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,759 President Trump, and we'll see how the response comes back. 409 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:11,920 I think that will say a lot about which side 410 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,400 he is on, or I should say, now which side 411 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:19,519 we are on? Because you know, it certainly seems that 412 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:24,400 American foreign policy and America's standing in the world has 413 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:28,240 been turned on its head in the last six weeks 414 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:32,240 and especially the last you know, several days, and we're 415 00:23:32,279 --> 00:23:33,559 now on the side of Russia. 416 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: No, that's all the town. No it's not by all accounts. No, see, 417 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:39,839 this is what I but this is what I mean. 418 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:44,119 You are viewing this through a particular lens, right, and 419 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:48,319 so to you it looks like Trump is putin Trump's 420 00:23:48,319 --> 00:23:51,240 in the pocket of Putin or whatever. And I'm looking 421 00:23:51,279 --> 00:23:55,880 at this from a negotiation standpoint that whatever my feelings 422 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,359 about Donald Trump are set aside, is this going to 423 00:23:59,519 --> 00:24:03,920 get the two parties to the table to negotiate some 424 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,440 sort of a peace deal to stop the war. And 425 00:24:08,279 --> 00:24:11,839 in Yester or Friday when the meeting happened, it wasn't 426 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,519 clear to me whether that would occur. And for a 427 00:24:14,599 --> 00:24:17,079 variety of reasons, right, because I don't know, like like 428 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,079 I would advise Trump should take this win. He should say, yes, 429 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,119 we are willing to do it, and we'll sign it. 430 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,359 Just go And by the way, Zelensky doesn't need to 431 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,839 he can just sign the thing. He doesn't have to 432 00:24:27,839 --> 00:24:29,599 come here again, he doesn't have to do anything. Just 433 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,720 sign the deal. And then Trump needs to be magnanimous 434 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,240 and he needs to just accept it that he wanted 435 00:24:36,319 --> 00:24:38,400 and he has done that. By the way, right, he 436 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,000 welcomes people back in after they've crossed him. Look at 437 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,759 Marco Rubio, Lindsey Graham, Right, So he heard somebody say 438 00:24:46,799 --> 00:24:49,480 he has the thinnest skin in politics and the thickest 439 00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:53,160 skin in politics at the same time. So he'll he'll 440 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,319 welcome people back in. So if Zelensky signs the deal, 441 00:24:56,799 --> 00:24:59,759 then I think that's that's a good thing. That's a 442 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,240 think that would be progress, right and so and so. 443 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,559 So the question that I have for you then would be, 444 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,440 are you willing to entertain the notion that maybe your 445 00:25:09,559 --> 00:25:14,200 read on this was incorrect, and maybe your read that, 446 00:25:14,759 --> 00:25:19,200 uh that his behavior is proof that he's in Putin's 447 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,759 pocket or whatever, that that was incorrect. 448 00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 3: I am willing to say I'm incorrect. Any old time 449 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,160 and look at. 450 00:25:26,599 --> 00:25:28,319 Speaker 1: But on this right, but but on. 451 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,279 Speaker 3: This my question though question no, no, no, hang on, 452 00:25:31,319 --> 00:25:31,599 hang on? 453 00:25:31,839 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 1: Are you are you willing to even entertain the idea 454 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:40,440 that your your analysis that that Trump is in with Putin, 455 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,440 that that was incorrect and that the deal that was 456 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,400 on the table was specifically for the minerals and Zelensky 457 00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:52,039 could have signed it and this never should have happened. 458 00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:54,920 But now it's like, okay, well then well then there's 459 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,720 no deal. Right, So it that that the blow up 460 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,720 at the meeting was not proof of what you thought 461 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:01,400 it was proof of. 462 00:26:02,319 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 3: That's a great question. And the way I have to 463 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,160 answer that question is to make ask myself a question, 464 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:14,480 which is what pressure the present putting on Vladimir Putin? 465 00:26:14,519 --> 00:26:18,400 Because I've seen zero that's not responsive. What else do 466 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:19,400 you want? Bladimir? 467 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,359 Speaker 1: I'm happy that's not responses you're just making You're just 468 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,759 making up stuff, Mike, You're just making up stuff. 469 00:26:26,559 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 3: Can you tell me any pressure that he's put on? 470 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: But Mike, you are filling in gaps with some sort 471 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,519 of preconceived idea of a conversation that you that happens 472 00:26:36,519 --> 00:26:39,359 to just wine up with what you already prior believe. 473 00:26:39,599 --> 00:26:42,880 So that's that it's not responsive. Are you willing to 474 00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:47,039 entertain the idea that that you're incorrect about this association? 475 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,240 It doesn't seem like you are, because you're willing to 476 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,200 fill the gaps in of your knowledge. 477 00:26:51,319 --> 00:26:53,799 Speaker 3: I'm certainly willing to entertain that notion. 478 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 1: Yes, more discussion, right, But then you said, but now 479 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,640 you're wondering if he's having these convers that you have 480 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,480 no proof of with Vladimir Putin asking him what should 481 00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:06,079 I do? And licking his boots like that, But there's 482 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:06,720 no evidence of that. 483 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 3: Just discussion. Me, I go to a break. I don't 484 00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:14,720 want to hold us over. I'll stay over a few wants. 485 00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:16,640 Speaker 1: I mean, I'll put you on hold. Mike, all right, 486 00:27:16,839 --> 00:27:19,200 I'll put you on hold. I just asked the question. 487 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,839 Are you open to the idea that you're incorrect, that 488 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,279 your analysis was based on a prior bias? That's all 489 00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:30,200 you know. Stories are powerful. They help us make sense 490 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,640 of things, to understand experiences. Stories connect us to the 491 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,799 people of our past while transcending generations. They help us 492 00:27:36,839 --> 00:27:39,839 process the meaning of life, and our stories are told 493 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,079 through images and videos. Preserve your stories with creative video 494 00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:47,359 started in nineteen ninety seven and Minhill, North Carolina. 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They are your life 505 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,319 told through the eyes of everyone around you and all 506 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,519 who came before you. And they will tell others to 507 00:28:26,559 --> 00:28:30,920 come who you are visit creative video dot com. All right, 508 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,599 So before the break, we were talking with Mike, and 509 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,599 I'll give you another I'll give you another shot at 510 00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:40,759 the question that I asked Mike, and maybe after you 511 00:28:40,839 --> 00:28:44,640 had you know, four minutes, five minutes to think about it, 512 00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:48,119 Is it possible that is it possible that you were 513 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,079 wrong about whether or not Donald Trump is taking orders 514 00:28:52,079 --> 00:28:55,079 from Putin on this whole Ukraine deal. Considering what the 515 00:28:55,079 --> 00:28:57,519 President of Ukraine just came out and said. 516 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,319 Speaker 3: I will answer it like I did the first time, 517 00:29:00,319 --> 00:29:03,440 which is absolutely I could be wrong, and I'm willing 518 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:07,200 to entertain that based on the evidence that I'm seeing. 519 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,680 Part of the evidence I'm seeing. This is what I 520 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:17,680 was trying to explain, is Okay, Yes, he has gotten 521 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:23,240 Zolensky to come and you know, hit the ball back, 522 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:28,240 stay in the game and hit the ball across from that. Well, 523 00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:33,440 they'll put it now in the President Trump's court. Right, 524 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:38,440 So we got that accomplished. But my question in terms of, like, 525 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,079 so whether I'm wrong in terms of what Donald Trump's 526 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,720 endgame is, you look at other evidence too, And I asked, 527 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,920 I asked myself the question. This is what I said 528 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,839 before the break, which is what evidence is it is 529 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,960 there that he's putting on. I can't see any, but 530 00:29:57,039 --> 00:30:00,039 what I can see is a lot of things that 531 00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:05,839 putin loves in terms of trying to weaken the support 532 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:11,359 for Ukraine. He's now announced he's stopping any additional funding 533 00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:16,000 for any defensive Ukraine, at least for right now. He's 534 00:30:16,039 --> 00:30:18,880 already turned, he's already he's doing exactly what Putin wants 535 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,799 in terms of splitting up NATO and putting what used 536 00:30:23,799 --> 00:30:26,960 to be our allies, we're now on the other side. 537 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: We're now we're not on the other side. No, that's 538 00:30:29,519 --> 00:30:29,880 not true. 539 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 3: But well tell back to the Europeans. 540 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: They think, no, we're not on the other side. The 541 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,680 Europeans say they're going to quote step up now and lead, 542 00:30:38,759 --> 00:30:41,279 which is what Donald Trump has been telling them for 543 00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:44,119 eight years, right. He has been saying that you guys 544 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,799 need to spend more for defensive Europe, right, And we're 545 00:30:47,799 --> 00:30:50,000 not going to keep putting in more money and more 546 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,880 troops than you guys are, and we're trying to end 547 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,880 the war. And the and the Europeans they're actually funding 548 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,599 both sides through their purchase of all of the oil 549 00:31:00,759 --> 00:31:05,680 from Russia. So like it seems like their incentives are 550 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,640 aligned to keeping the war going. And so what Trump's 551 00:31:09,799 --> 00:31:13,559 moves have done is to force Ukraine's hand. Now, you 552 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:18,440 said you're you're willing to entertain the a different opinion 553 00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:22,240 based on the evidence you're seeing, But you haven't seen 554 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:29,160 you haven't seen any evidence of Trump saying I'm gonna 555 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,519 do what Putin wants. You're inferring that because the Kremlin 556 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,720 is saying, oh well, yeah, good on on Trump for 557 00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:39,559 you know, sticking it to the Ukrainians. But is there 558 00:31:39,839 --> 00:31:43,680 keep this now? Put think this through? Is it possible? 559 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:49,319 Is it possible that it might yield better results for 560 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:54,799 a negotiation to get the stronger power, which is the Russians, 561 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,000 to get them to come to the table if you 562 00:31:58,119 --> 00:32:04,359 are not seen as an adversarial biased mediator, Right, wouldn't 563 00:32:04,359 --> 00:32:06,640 it be a bet? Isn't that a better tactic to 564 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:08,799 try to get two people that hate each other to 565 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,599 sit down and mediate If one of the parties thinks 566 00:32:11,599 --> 00:32:14,119 that you're on the other guy's team, they're not going 567 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,880 to be interested in having you be the guy that 568 00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:18,920 mediates the disagreement. 569 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 3: Right, correct? Yeah? 570 00:32:21,839 --> 00:32:25,119 Speaker 1: Right? So is it possible that the reason he is 571 00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:28,319 he is refraining from saying all of the bad things 572 00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:32,440 about Russia is because he needs Russia to engage as well. 573 00:32:32,759 --> 00:32:35,599 We know the Ukrainians will engage. They want the war 574 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,359 to end. Theoretically I will take them at their word 575 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,920 for that. So he knows that we can do a 576 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,359 deal with them on the minerals that keeps US, that 577 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,839 keeps American economic interests in Ukraine. And it doesn't give 578 00:32:48,839 --> 00:32:52,319 them NATO membership. So if that's what has been the 579 00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:54,799 hold up in Russia thinks now that Trump is a 580 00:32:54,920 --> 00:33:00,400 more even handed, impartial mediator, then they come to the table. 581 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,720 Doesn't that make sense from a strategy standpoint? 582 00:33:03,759 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 3: Obviously, see what you're saying. I that could be a possibility. 583 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,000 I think it's a better possibility, Peepe, based on what 584 00:33:11,799 --> 00:33:15,240 I'm seeing and what has happened in the history here, 585 00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:24,039 that what Russia is aiming for is on their terms. 586 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,119 Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, well that yeah, Mike, and yeah, and 587 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,079 I gotta go. I agree they want peace on their terms. 588 00:33:30,119 --> 00:33:31,920 There's no doubt about that. That's why you have to 589 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,559 have a negotiation. And maybe it doesn't work like that's 590 00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:36,400 the thing. Maybe it doesn't work at all. I am 591 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,079 way late for news, though I appreciate the call. Thanks 592 00:33:39,079 --> 00:33:42,839 for making it all right, that'll do it for this episode. 593 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,960 Thank you so much for listening. I could not do 594 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,119 the show without your support and the support of the 595 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,200 businesses that advertise on the podcast, So if you'd like, 596 00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:52,440 please support them too and tell them you heard it here. 597 00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:55,079 You can also become a patron at my Patreon page 598 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,799 or go to dpeteclendershow dot com again, thank you so 599 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,519 much for listening, and don't break anything while I'm gone. 600 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 3: HM,