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<v Speaker 1>It's eight thirty nine, almost e thirty nine. Here fifty

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<v Speaker 1>five KRCY Talk Station. A very happy Monday to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>I have been intrigued by this since I saw him

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<v Speaker 1>on the rundown. I'm happy to welcome to the fifty

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<v Speaker 1>five Carscsey Morning Show. Since any native an Air Force veteran,

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<v Speaker 1>he did service in Iraq, he is well also kind

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<v Speaker 1>of crazy. I will tell you that Tom Hester welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the program. By way background, He's currently the vice

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<v Speaker 1>president and co founder of Heroic Expeditions. It's a nonprofit

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<v Speaker 1>organization whose mission is to empower veterans to reclaim their

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<v Speaker 1>sense of self and help them find healing and unearth

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<v Speaker 1>the boundless possibilities that await them after the years of

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<v Speaker 1>military service. Programs offered by Heroic Expeditions dot org include

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<v Speaker 1>mental health counseling referrals, group recreational activities, and a mental

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<v Speaker 1>health first aid course. Let me start off by thanking

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<v Speaker 1>you for your service to our country. Tim, It's a

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<v Speaker 1>pleasure to have you on this morning.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you very much for having me something I've been

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<v Speaker 3>looking forward to for a while now.

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, kind of crazy. You're gonna be at

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<v Speaker 1>the lunch with a veteran event on Sunday, May twenty fifth,

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<v Speaker 1>and this takes place at Arlington Memorial Gardens. Have I

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<v Speaker 1>got that correct?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>And Arlington Memorial Gardens has obtained exclusive rights to something

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure near and dear to your heart. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>PBS documentary called Defying Death on the Atlantic and you

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<v Speaker 1>were a crew member on the team that's featured in

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<v Speaker 1>this PBS documentary. Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 3>That is correct, and probably why you and many others

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<v Speaker 3>call me crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it, okay? How many of us would sign up

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<v Speaker 1>for what is described as a perilous three thousand mile

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<v Speaker 1>ocean rowing race called the World's Toughest row. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that that's bad assery or craziness right there? My friend

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<v Speaker 1>tell us all about what this race involves before we

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<v Speaker 1>get to the details of what happened to you on

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<v Speaker 1>that team in twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think you're absolutely right. Not many people would

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<v Speaker 3>sign up for that amount of craziness. A three thousand

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<v Speaker 3>mile row, no sales, no engines, just you and your team.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you ain't rowing, you ain't.

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<v Speaker 3>Going three thousand miles from Lagamera and the Canary Islands

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<v Speaker 3>to Antigua in the Caribbean. That was the goal to

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<v Speaker 3>help motivate fellow veterans to.

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<v Speaker 2>Get out of their little bubble, out of their own world,

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<v Speaker 2>go do.

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<v Speaker 3>Something cool like you got to do while you were

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<v Speaker 3>in the military, overcome your challenges.

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<v Speaker 2>We set out to help guys get over trauma, and

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<v Speaker 2>we came home with just a little bit more of

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<v Speaker 2>our own.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you did. How many men are on the team?

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<v Speaker 2>You've never cooperated the way we needed it too.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's the ocean. You don't have no idea what

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to run into out there in the ocean.

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<v Speaker 1>How many men are on your team? We're on your team.

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<v Speaker 4>We were all deployed together in two thousand and eight,

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<v Speaker 4>so by the time the race started in twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 4>we had known each other and become lifelong friends, ready

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<v Speaker 4>to go do some badassery together.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And there were a total of how many of you?

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<v Speaker 2>There were four of us four.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So there were always two guys rowing and there

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<v Speaker 3>were always two guys resting, rotated in two hour shifts

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<v Speaker 3>twenty four to seven.

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<v Speaker 1>So how long, okay, how long did you anticipate this

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<v Speaker 1>three thousand mile Because I know you didn't make it

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty two, and we're going to get to

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<v Speaker 1>that in a moment. And I'm keeping my powder dry on

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<v Speaker 1>what happened to you, But the expectation of the time

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<v Speaker 1>it would take to complete when you when you started out, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to take us about how many days to

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<v Speaker 1>complete this?

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<v Speaker 5>We were shooting for under fifty fifty days, yes, unsupported.

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<v Speaker 5>So we had all of our own food packed in

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<v Speaker 5>the boat. We had solar panels, so we had energy

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<v Speaker 5>on the boat, and we also had a desalinator on

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<v Speaker 5>board so we could drink fresh water made right from

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<v Speaker 5>the ocean.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, in terms of the size of the craft, how

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<v Speaker 1>many feet was it and was did it come with

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<v Speaker 1>some form of shelter because you get inclement weather, as

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to find out. But so what does a

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<v Speaker 1>general description of the of the boat look like.

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<v Speaker 3>The boat was twenty eight feet long by five feet wide.

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<v Speaker 3>The rowing portion the deck of the boat was completely open.

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<v Speaker 2>There was no overhead shelter or anything.

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<v Speaker 3>But each end of the boat had a cabin in

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<v Speaker 3>it and that's where you would spend your off shift,

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<v Speaker 3>so you were enclosed on either end.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the boat.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Now, the name of your team, which I got

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<v Speaker 1>a big chuckle out of, and I know it was

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<v Speaker 1>done done tongue in cheek. But let my listeners know.

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<v Speaker 3>The team and organization that we rowed for was called

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<v Speaker 3>Fight or Die or isa.

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<v Speaker 1>AR right, all right, So that makes perfect sense considering

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<v Speaker 1>you're going on a three thousand mile ocean rowing race.

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<v Speaker 1>So in twenty twenty two when you embarked on this

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<v Speaker 1>at the outset huge challenge, let my listeners know what

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<v Speaker 1>happened what's depicted in the Defying Death on the Atlantic documentary.

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<v Speaker 3>Sure, So, like you had said, the race started in December,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't The reason it starts at that time frame

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<v Speaker 3>is because the trade winds off of Africa should have

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<v Speaker 3>formed by then. Well, what had happened to us? Right

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<v Speaker 3>around Christmas Day? There was a giant storm that passed

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<v Speaker 3>over Buffalo, New York. I think it dropped like eight

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<v Speaker 3>feet of snow on them, and then the jet stream

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<v Speaker 3>pushed out to the North Atlantic. Well, that storm generated

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<v Speaker 3>thirty forty foot swells, sustained thirty nine winds, and on

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<v Speaker 3>the morning of the twenty eighth, our boat that was

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<v Speaker 3>supposed to self right in the event of a capsize.

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<v Speaker 3>Our boat capsize on top of a wave. We got

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<v Speaker 3>hit by a giant got the wind flipped our boat

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<v Speaker 3>over in the middle of the night and never self

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<v Speaker 3>righted the way it was supposed to, so effectively ending

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<v Speaker 3>our race at that moment.

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<v Speaker 1>And so this is the middle of the night and

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<v Speaker 1>you're out in the middle of the ocean. Obviously there's

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<v Speaker 1>no light going on around there. Can I ask you,

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<v Speaker 1>because I know exactly if I would, that would be

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<v Speaker 1>a I have to change my shorts inducing moment in time.

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<v Speaker 1>What were your emotions like at the time that that happened.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know you were out at sea for a

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<v Speaker 1>while there after. We get to that in a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>But what were your emotions like at the very moment

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<v Speaker 1>that that happened.

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<v Speaker 3>I was in the cabin and I'm very grateful that

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<v Speaker 3>I was inside when it happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I was kind of in between sleep and total fear

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<v Speaker 2>at that moment. Yeah, we knew we were in probably.

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<v Speaker 3>Not the best of situations, so we were all kind

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<v Speaker 3>of on edge the whole day.

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<v Speaker 2>The moment the.

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<v Speaker 3>Boat flipped over, there was probably a split second of

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<v Speaker 3>oh my god, we're upside down. This is not good,

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<v Speaker 3>but right after that training kind of kicked in. This

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<v Speaker 3>is a race and a moment we had been preparing

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<v Speaker 3>for for a couple of years that point.

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<v Speaker 2>So I was in a position where I knew.

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<v Speaker 3>The boat was supposed to flip back over, but it

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<v Speaker 3>was totally dark and all I could see was the

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<v Speaker 3>water line in the window of the hatch.

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<v Speaker 2>And it didn't move.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my, Now you swam out then from the hatch,

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<v Speaker 3>So kind of like a car accident. Time slowed down

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<v Speaker 3>a lot while I was in the cabin. I had

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<v Speaker 3>to grab all of our gear that we were going

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<v Speaker 3>to need. I had heard one of my teammates will, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>we need to get to the life raft. The boat's

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<v Speaker 3>not flipping over. So at that moment it was time

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<v Speaker 3>to go to work. I knew I needed to grab

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of stuff for us. Turned out I had

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<v Speaker 3>been in that cabin for about forty to forty five

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<v Speaker 3>minutes before I left the cabin to get to the

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<v Speaker 3>life raft. Wow, And I had no idea it was

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<v Speaker 3>that long. It felt like maybe five to ten.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my, and it was all of you. Your crewmates

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<v Speaker 1>were safe in the quote unquote safe sense under the circumstances,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not so safe considering the storm raging around you,

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<v Speaker 1>in the fact that your boat was flipped over but

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<v Speaker 1>you had the life raft. Did any point in time

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<v Speaker 1>any of the crewmates like lose track of the boat

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<v Speaker 1>or the craft get washed out that they were concerned

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<v Speaker 1>that they might not be rescued or get back to

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<v Speaker 1>the life raft.

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<v Speaker 3>So two of us were in the cabins and two

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<v Speaker 3>of the teammates were actually on deck still in the

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<v Speaker 3>rowing position. So when you are not in a cabin,

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<v Speaker 3>you are required to be harnessed and tethered. So when

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<v Speaker 3>the boat did flip over, two of the teammates were

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<v Speaker 3>actually ejected opposite directions.

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<v Speaker 2>The other two of us were still in.

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<v Speaker 3>The cabin right, So them being tethered to the boat

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<v Speaker 3>was paramount to everybody making at home.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's reassuring to know. I was kind of wondering

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<v Speaker 1>how that worked out. So thank god for safety equipment

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<v Speaker 1>and portable radio. Did you have an opportunity to communicate

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<v Speaker 1>you weren't flying blind out there in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean before the vote boat cap size. Did you

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<v Speaker 1>have a portable radio or something that went with the

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<v Speaker 1>lifeboat or the lifeboat have one built in.

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<v Speaker 3>So We had a satellite phone that we actually had

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<v Speaker 3>to use and keep on every day. We were part

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<v Speaker 3>of a race hosted by Atlantic Campaigns, and they have

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<v Speaker 3>very strict safety requirements, and one of those is you

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<v Speaker 3>talked on a satellite phone with their.

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<v Speaker 2>Safety officer at least every other day.

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<v Speaker 3>And we had just spoken with him on the satellite

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<v Speaker 3>phone the day before, so you know, we had the

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<v Speaker 3>satellite phone on a charger. When I was drabbing gear

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<v Speaker 3>to go to the life raft, that was one of

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<v Speaker 3>the things I grabbed. I would grab the satellite phone,

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<v Speaker 3>a VHF radio, and a handheld GPS.

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<v Speaker 2>That's about all we had. Now by the time we

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<v Speaker 2>got to the life raft, though, the satellite phone had

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<v Speaker 2>gotten wet and it didn't work.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, So our only community devices were two cell

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<v Speaker 3>phones that weren't going to work in the middle of

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<v Speaker 3>the Atlantic, and a VHF radio that works by line

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<v Speaker 3>of sight. So that's actually not very far when you're

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<v Speaker 3>still in thirty foot waves.

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<v Speaker 1>Jeez. So how many days were you on the or

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<v Speaker 1>how long we were on the how long I should

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<v Speaker 1>say we were on the life raft before you were rescued,

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<v Speaker 1>and how did you get rescued?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we had been in the life raft for approximately

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<v Speaker 3>sixteen hours before ever making contact with anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>On about our.

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<v Speaker 3>Sixteen and a half, we made another May Day call

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<v Speaker 3>could hear us, but at that point we didn't care.

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<v Speaker 3>About an hour later we were able to communicate with somebody.

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<v Speaker 3>Still didn't know who it was, and then an hour

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<v Speaker 3>later we were picked up by a six hundred foot

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, from a deflating life raft.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my, And I'm sure all of this is in

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<v Speaker 1>the PBS documentary to Fine Death on the Atlantic. Again.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Arlington Memorial Gardens has got the exclusive rights to

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<v Speaker 1>premiere this. You will be at the premiere if you

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<v Speaker 1>show up at Arlington Memorial Gardens May twenty fourth, that's Saturday,

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<v Speaker 1>one pm is the first showing. You got a four

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<v Speaker 1>May twenty fifth is a two pm showing. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>the day when you'll be speaking at the annual luncheon

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<v Speaker 1>with a veteran. That's the twenty fifth of May right. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I am very excited to that, I guess, and you

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<v Speaker 1>know I thank god you're alive and able to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this. Just amazing story, just proving again why I

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<v Speaker 1>would never volunteer to do something as crazy as this Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe people would not.

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<v Speaker 3>I believe more people have been to space than have

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<v Speaker 3>rowed a boat across an.

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<v Speaker 1>Ocean, and that sounds about right to be. Heroic Expeditions

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<v Speaker 1>Dot Org for my veteran friends in the in the

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<v Speaker 1>audience doing great things, Veterans united in resilience, bonded forged

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<v Speaker 1>in adventure like the one we just talk about. It's

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<v Speaker 1>been a real pleasure having on the program. And thanks

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<v Speaker 1>again for your service to our country and your continued

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<v Speaker 1>service to our country with your organization, Heroic Expeditions.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you. The pleasure has been all mine.

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<v Speaker 1>Crazy man, Yeah, I got respect, There's no doubt about it.

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